Forum logs for 27 Mar 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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BingoBoingo	The real prize in Crimea http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20140326/188762672/Crimean-Military-Dolphins-to-Serve-in-Russian-Navy.html	[00:44]
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mike_c	have no fear americans, we're on it. "The facility is one of only two such combat dolphin training centers in the world, the other is run by the US Navy in San Diego."	[00:47]
joecool	BingoBoingo: oh same ones with the knives and pistols attached to their heads?	[00:47]
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BingoBoingo	joecool: Does it matter?	[00:47]
joecool	BingoBoingo: well the US lost a bunch with toxic dart guns attached some years back	[00:48]
BingoBoingo	Well, things happen	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	poor dolphins	[00:50]
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qwebirc1010269	asciilifeform that was a good read, but I'm unsure of how quickly this whole US default will occur	[01:19]
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TestingUnoDosTre	lost my username for a moment there http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060105_soviet_lessons.shtml	[01:20]
moiety	combat dolphins?! sort of useless when they get distracted and go off on year long gang rapes	[01:20]
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mircea_popescu	moiety i thought it was the goats with the gang rapes	[01:24]
tg2	dat context	[01:24]
TestingUnoDosTre	yah a year long gang rape? Dolphins copulate in like microseconds	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	afaik dolphins copulate like most other mammals	[01:25]
moiety	no, they group together and imprison a lone female for months at a time, taking it in turns	[01:25]
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mircea_popescu	(which is to say, the male merely inserts the penis, and the female milks it)	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	makes rape a tenuous proposition.	[01:25]
moiety	its not the length of time they take, its the length of time they keep doing it	[01:25]
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tg2	dolphins are the only species to copulate more frequently than your mom.	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	http://www.myzimbabwe.co.zw/news/542-kwekwe-man-finds-goats-having-sex-beats-up-male-one-rapes-female-one.html	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	23yo widower.	[01:28]
nubbins`	wreckhouse area of newfoundland set a wind speed record earlier this evening, 183km/h	[01:28]
tg2	stop you're making fox jealous	[01:28]
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moiety	its an authority and territorial thing http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/9172937/Dolphins-resort-to-rape.html	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	http://www.myzimbabwe.co.zw/news/210-jealous-silobela-man-finds-donkeys-having-sex-kills-the-male-one.html	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	(mostly for pic of aroused donkey and hilarious copy)	[01:29]
moiety	err who to the goat rape pic?!	[01:30]
tg2	those are some solid english writing skills	[01:30]
moiety	took*	[01:30]
moiety	ffs poor donkey	[01:30]
Duffer1	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21foj9/funds_currently_being_stolen_from_vanity/	[01:31]
joecool	mircea_popescu: you ever consider a tabloid-style sister site of trilema? "Writing dumb shit for the masses"	[01:31]
nubbins`	Duffer1 imagine	[01:31]
Duffer1	hehe	[01:31]
joecool	mircea_popescu: stupid people often don't have money though, have to fund it with very invasive ads	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	joecool nah, too much work.	[01:32]
moiety	there's plenty sites that even just collect the shit from other sites of crap anyways	[01:32]
joecool	mircea_popescu: get other people write it?	[01:32]
joecool	*to write	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	well... you do it then ?	[01:33]
tg2	lol using 3rd parties to generate your private key	[01:33]
tg2	solid	[01:33]
nubbins`	^	[01:33]
tg2	instant-e.com still scaming away	[01:33]
moiety	i'mmaking a completely useless site for my own benefit re my new obsession (blame asciilifeform)	[01:33]
tg2	makes me want to spam online wallet sites and just steal everybodies coins	[01:33]
tg2	like them	[01:33]
joecool	mircea_popescu: too much work, I already have other writers on those sort of projects	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	lol	[01:34]
tg2	#1 google result for "litecoin online wallet", extended validation SSL cert	[01:34]
tg2	straight up just stealing them lol	[01:34]
tg2	5 months of "I GOT SCAMMED BY INSTANT-E.COM" threads everywhere	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	moiety what is your new, stan-induced obsession ?	[01:34]
moiety	manuls!	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	tg2 bfl is stillaround...	[01:34]
nubbins`	heh	[01:34]
tg2	can't say i'm mad	[01:34]
tg2	if anything I'm probably jealous	[01:34]
mike_c	joecool: isn't that bitcointalk?	[01:34]
moiety	all i need to make my life complete is a manul + laser pic	[01:34]
tg2	i tracked somebody who said they got scammed, followed the coins, went into a wallet with 17,000 LTC	[01:35]
tg2	for 1 month of transactions	[01:35]
joecool	mike_c: i have some shit standards	[01:35]
tg2	all source transactions were from nov	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	lambo on its way	[01:35]
tg2	dude is in china	[01:35]
tg2	i hunted him down	[01:35]
tg2	clown had his old software site hosted on the same ip before	[01:35]
tg2	threatened to reveal him if he didn't pay me 50ltc bounty	[01:36]
tg2	he did	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135035.360	[01:37]
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mircea_popescu	some moar cog drama. kakobrekla ^	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	as far as i recall, about a week before disappearing, nefario froze goat'	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	s "assets" in a rather similar fashion	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	(goat was at the time running the more obviously fraudulent, highest volume shit glbse was listing)	[01:38]
tg2	" Why is the site off line SO OFTEN Huh "	[01:38]
tg2	dat webscale	[01:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.05428002 = 0.5428 BTC [-] {3}	[01:39]
tg2	cloudflare pls	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=286634.msg5917682#msg5917682	[01:40]
ozbot	[BTC-TC] CIPHERMINE.B1 - a virtual corporate bond with a 22% fixed-fiat APR	[01:40]
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mircea_popescu	check that shit out. i remember the days the counter was... you know... xmas. http://trilema.com/2013/the-stuple/	[01:40]
BingoBoingo	moiety:	[01:41]
BingoBoingo	http://www.memecenter.com/fun/1513719/manul-the-cat-on-holiday	[01:41]
ozbot	Manul The Cat On Holiday by badratio - Meme Center	[01:41]
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nubbins`	good ol' havelock	[01:42]
nubbins`	home of the legitimate fund	[01:42]
moiety	BingoBoingo: bahahaha that's epic. i love how they all have that "fuck off" face	[01:43]
B007	tg2: 50 ltc lol	[01:47]
tg2	2 emails and 20 minutes of sleuthing	[01:47]
tg2	$2700/hr	[01:48]
tg2	if I really wanted to get paid	[01:48]
tg2	I'd have his hosting pulled	[01:48]
tg2	hosting at softlayer like a true cheapskate	[01:48]
B007	what do you do irl	[01:48]
tg2	sleuth	[01:48]
tg2	I am an angel vc	[01:49]
tg2	you?	[01:49]
B007	student	[01:49]
B007	nothing	[01:49]
tg2	cool, keep at it	[01:49]
B007	depends	[01:49]
tg2	build something cool	[01:49]
tg2	post it in here, have it shot down, collect yourself, settle into a career of tech support	[01:49]
tg2	thats the best advice I can give	[01:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2998 @ 0.00280679 = 8.4148 BTC [-] {3}	[01:50]
B007	tech support? im in cs	[01:50]
tg2	spot on	[01:50]
tg2	darkcoin 3x coming in the next 2 weeks	[01:51]
tg2	calling it now	[01:51]
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nubbins`	[21:20:18] tech support? im in cs <<< that's why he said it ;D	[01:52]
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kakobrekla	you slanderous soul you mp.	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	tg2 angel vc where ?	[01:53]
kakobrekla	its but a scratch.	[01:53]
tg2	everywhere	[01:53]
tg2	im in montreal	[01:53]
tg2	but I like to spread my seed around	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla "it's but a flesh wound"	[01:53]
B007	http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=darkcoin	[01:53]
ozbot	Google Trends	[01:53]
B007	wut	[01:53]
kakobrekla	yea yea	[01:53]
tg2	yeah, darkcoin is not a bad idea right now	[01:53]
tg2	what do you do mircea_popescu	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	fun factoid : my rift guild cosnsiting of ~1000 teenagers also somehow magically contains half a dozen of "special agents" in "bruxels"	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	at least if you believe what they say in chat.	[01:54]
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mircea_popescu	tg2 i run game guilds.	[01:54]
B007	lel	[01:54]
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tg2	better than being a student with nothing to their name	[01:54]
tg2	aye	[01:54]
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moiety	mew benkay	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	i have endless piles of platinum, gold and other game currencies	[01:54]
tg2	quite the game	[01:54]
tg2	I hope you're winning at it	[01:55]
B007	he also has endless piles of irl money	[01:55]
B007	in case you didnt know	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	im in it for the social justice aspect.	[01:55]
tg2	not so different from game money	[01:55]
benkay	allo mon manul	[01:55]
benkay	mah?	[01:55]
*	moiety wonders why there is no manul game; goes to find game dev	[01:55]
benkay	hey mircea_popescu what's the correct posessive there	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	mein	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	mein mehnuler	[01:56]
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mircea_popescu	(allo maman nulle ?)	[01:56]
tg2	mon = french	[01:57]
tg2	mah = black	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	;;google mon mec a moi, il me port'en voiture	[01:57]
gribble	Les blagues - Restena: ; Le couteau et la loi - LaToileScoute: ; Miroir dis moi qui sont les vrais, Dis-moi dis-moi.. – Dolce Vita:	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	hm	[01:57]
benkay	manul a moi	[01:58]
tg2	my boi, brings me in a car?	[01:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62703977 = 3.1352 BTC [+] {3}	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	i guess nobody is from the 70s.	[01:58]
nubbins`	close, '82	[01:59]
benkay	old men.	[01:59]
tg2	not at that advanced state of age	[01:59]
cazalla	B007: google trends is misleading, add litecoin so you can see the trend relative to another keyword	[01:59]
benkay	old, well-capitalized men.	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpWcSEaEyR8	[01:59]
ozbot	Patricia Kaas - Mon Mec A Moi - YouTube	[01:59]
tg2	darkcoin actually adds some value	[01:59]
tg2	not liek every other shitcoin I've seen in the last 3 months	[01:59]
moiety	and women>> '84	[01:59]
tg2	I think the crypto industry needs to have some kind of consortium that rejects new coins	[02:00]
tg2	75% premine airdrop garbage wallfecoins	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	and new consortiums	[02:00]
tg2	meta rejection	[02:00]
tg2	who consorts the consortiums	[02:00]
tg2	srsly tho, next time I see a 50% premine shitcoin	[02:00]
tg2	i'm going to lose it	[02:00]
tg2	and I know it wont be that long, thats the sad part	[02:01]
benkay	didn't know you were well capitalized, moiety!	[02:01]
*	moiety typed before that bit :P	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	she's not well capitulised, merely slow typewrited.	[02:02]
tg2	if you post in the announcements(altcoins) forum of bitcointalk it should just autoban your IP	[02:02]
moiety	never say never! on both counts lol	[02:02]
benkay	practice makes perfect.	[02:02]
tg2	or use some kind of fingerprinting technique like Kount does so you can't even use proxies	[02:02]
B007	you can spoof those	[02:04]
B007	easily	[02:04]
cazalla	tg2: not really about value, it's just that trends is misleading	[02:04]
tg2	sorry, to what are you referring cazalla	[02:04]
cazalla	tg2: "darkcoin actually adds some value" sorry, i thought you were responding to what I said to B007	[02:05]
tg2	no.	[02:05]
tg2	but darkcoin is a coin that does 2 things	[02:05]
moiety	i have a never ending supply of enthusiasm, undecided if this helps/hinders me	[02:05]
tg2	1: the mining algorithm is power friendly on GPUs	[02:05]
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tg2	2: darksend is an actual feature	[02:06]
blackwhite	evening gents	[02:06]
tg2	its not just a copy of another coin	[02:06]
tg2	not having to trust your coins to a mixer in order to obfusticate transactions is a big deal	[02:06]
tg2	eventually people will catch on	[02:06]
tg2	and it will be popular	[02:06]
tg2	coupled with the fact that mining it uses 1/2 the power and produces 1/2 the heat on graphics cards, and that there are no asics for it	[02:07]
tg2	means it should see some significant upswings when the summer heat settles in in north america	[02:07]
tg2	and scrypt asics become more prolific	[02:07]
tg2	just my 2c	[02:07]
cazalla	seems like more kids with milkcrates and 7950's tbh	[02:07]
tg2	i have $50k in them	[02:07]
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tg2	I have 400 gpus mining	[02:07]
B007	that is why you must promote it	[02:07]
tg2	none in milk crates	[02:07]
B007	lolz	[02:07]
tg2	they are up from 70c to 89c just in the last 48 hours	[02:08]
tg2	a nice uptrend as people realize the merit of the coin	[02:08]
B007	remember to post a to the moon thread on 4chan	[02:08]
*	nubbins` yawns	[02:08]
nubbins`	i'd better buy them all now	[02:08]
tg2	good luck	[02:09]
moiety	B007: the moon is taken, they need to find another planet	[02:09]
nubbins`	i'm going to put in $75k, keep an eye out for the bump	[02:09]
asciilifeform	fuck damn it, i of all people am responsible for infecting people with lolcats.	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	i don't get it, "Half the power"	[02:09]
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tg2	better yet get started on an i2p version of silk road that runs off of darkcoins	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	half as compared to what.	[02:09]
tg2	compared to mining scrypt or nscrypt	[02:09]
benkay	derp coins?	[02:09]
tg2	you mine darkcoin on your gpu, it uses literally 1/2 the power	[02:10]
benkay	tg2 it's a meaningless number. you can make the block reward whatever you want.	[02:10]
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nubbins`	heh	[02:10]
benkay	the "number" of "coins" is arbitrary.	[02:10]
moiety	asciilifeform: entirely, i need them daily now	[02:10]
tg2	benkay - nowhere was amount of coins mentionned	[02:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.0009316 = 8.4776 BTC [-]	[02:10]
tg2	only price per coin	[02:10]
tg2	which is all I'm concerned with for now	[02:10]
nubbins`	so if it uses half the power	[02:10]
asciilifeform	;;lolcat	[02:10]
gribble	Error: "lolcat" is not a valid command.	[02:10]
benkay	that fluctuates with market action.	[02:10]
nubbins`	actually, i don't even	[02:10]
tg2	apparently not	[02:11]
moiety	;; manul	[02:11]
gribble	Error: "manul" is not a valid command.	[02:11]
moiety	gribble, it needs to be	[02:11]
benkay	;;gettrust tg2	[02:11]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user tg2: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=tg2 \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=tg2 \| Rated since: never	[02:11]
benkay	o ok	[02:11]
tg2	can't has trust	[02:11]
*	benkay goes back to derpy value deliving	[02:11]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Maybe ship Manuls with Cardanos as a physical security enchancement?	[02:11]
nubbins`	Manuldanos	[02:12]
moiety	^ so much yes, i will look after them til shipping	[02:12]
asciilifeform	moiety: phun phact. wash. d.c. zoo has a scale, demarcated in... cats. tells the visitor what species he would make the best meal for.	[02:12]
tg2	https://twitter.com/Manuls	[02:12]
ozbot	Manuls (Manuls) on Twitter	[02:12]
tg2	lol	[02:12]
tg2	what a fortunate twitter handle	[02:13]
tg2	I wonder if he knows of it's provenance	[02:13]
cazalla	tg2: is darkcoin better than bitcoin?	[02:13]
tg2	answering that would be stupid	[02:14]
tg2	but maybe you can clarify in which categeory you wish to compare	[02:14]
tg2	there are several hundred criteria that you could arbitrarily rate a cryptocurrency on	[02:14]
tg2	it is better at some	[02:15]
moiety	asciilifeform: lol i must look that up. i did find the only way someone would be smiling while holding one http://www.avianexoticpetclinic.com/images/clinic2/PallasCat2.jpg	[02:15]
cazalla	well, i know nothing about it so please share which of those it is	[02:15]
tg2	let me curate a list for you	[02:15]
moiety	well that was the most disappointing twitter link i have ever clicked, thanks	[02:15]
tg2	right after I'm done answering questions on yahoo answers	[02:15]
tg2	is it still cool to link to lmgtfy?	[02:16]
cazalla	do you sell level 2 accounts or something.. perhaps for darkcoin?	[02:16]
tg2	anwyay, read up, if you choose to invest in it, or mine it, I think it has merit as a coin, in stark comparison to every other piece of garbage that was forked in the last 3 months	[02:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]	[02:17]
cazalla	i'll stick to bitcoin but thanks anyway	[02:18]
tg2	may your ignorance lead you to profit	[02:18]
nubbins`	heh.	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	well, is darkcoin better than altcoin ?	[02:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00093878 = 5.0694 BTC [+]	[02:19]
BingoBoingo	Eh, I've never had any offers for singularity coin.	[02:19]
tg2	it is an altcoin	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	yes, but i mean the altcoin	[02:19]
BingoBoingo	https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc	[02:19]
ozbot	X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin	[02:19]
nubbins`	this conversation would be more difficult in a language without articles	[02:20]
tg2	it is the altcoin, maybe I'm not getting what you're trying to imply	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` or without words :D	[02:20]
BingoBoingo	tg2: He means Altcoin, the meta altcoin	[02:20]
nubbins`	XD	[02:20]
tg2	that is meta	[02:20]
nubbins`	i've got about $0k in atc	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	still above 100 ?!	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	bam, atc beats all forum investments lol.	[02:21]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Indeed but too close to 100 to do much	[02:21]
nubbins`	guess i should've added some decimals	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	it's been stable for what, 3 months now ?	[02:21]
nubbins`	roughly $0.00k	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` so get some derpcoin then, now's your chance	[02:21]
tg2	that is hillarious, you can have fun with that coin.	[02:21]
moiety	manul coin will destroy them all, and enjoy it	[02:22]
nubbins`	^	[02:22]
nubbins`	manulcoin	[02:22]
nubbins`	would buy	[02:22]
tg2	strong investment	[02:22]
nubbins`	and hodl	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	manuella is, in romanian folklore, the date of all chronic masturbators.	[02:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 23 @ 0.10144642 = 2.3333 BTC [-]	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	because well... manul is pretty close to the latin root for "hand".	[02:22]
tg2	so who has the funniest idea for a shitcoin	[02:22]
tg2	either created or not	[02:23]
nubbins`	sort of like Palmela	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	that one too	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	not as popular.	[02:23]
dignork	tg2, darkcoin is funny enough	[02:23]
moiety	mircea_popescu: i discoevered this looking for 'manul lasers' - google asks, "did you mean manual lasers?"	[02:23]
nubbins`	actually, i meant "automatic lasers + shipping to canada"	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	lol	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	"i meant, where is my cousin susie"	[02:24]
nubbins`	dude you know susie from canada!?	[02:24]
moiety	lolol	[02:25]
moiety	i think the only reason people don't make coats out of them is because its hard to skin them when theyve ripped your face off	[02:26]
BingoBoingo	tg2: I might have an altcoin running on an old nokia 5200 series	[02:26]
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moiety	"fuck this - back to the chinchillas"	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	moiety maybe they skin them like they peel peanuts, huge mechanical process	[02:27]
BingoBoingo	That might make a nice internet pay per view, Manul vs. 150 chinchillas	[02:27]
moiety	mircea_popescu: you mean monkeys don't deal with monkey nuts?	[02:28]
moiety	lol BingoBoingo is sports betting with manuls already	[02:28]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Nah, the money isn't the betting it is selling admission	[02:29]
moiety	fair point, we need to catch one first though	[02:29]
nubbins`	set out a cardboard box	[02:30]
nubbins`	http://evansheline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/cat-traps-aka-boxes.jpg	[02:30]
moiety	LOL	[02:30]
nubbins`	http://www.the-crazy-cat.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mini-Cat-Trap.jpg ;(	[02:31]
tg2	just put a bunch of keyboards in the wild	[02:31]
tg2	check for key repeat events	[02:31]
moiety	lol	[02:32]
moiety	that cat: fuck you , im in the box	[02:32]
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tg2	Sweet cat tree. Looks great from your keyboard.	[02:32]
moiety	i can imagine manuls being like, fuck you internet	[02:33]
moiety	unlike that guy, who folded after being super-trolled http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/senator-who-called-for-a-us-ban-on-bitcoin-now-backs-off-a-bit/	[02:36]
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tg2	anybody here from montreal?	[02:37]
tg2	Going to startup-drinks to hear people talk about how much they think their ideas are worth for 2 hours while drinking. It's an excercise in tolerance and humility.	[02:37]
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benkay	couldn't be nearly as great as dark coin	[02:38]
BingoBoingo	tg2: You realize that happens here too	[02:38]
tg2	BingoBoingo, I haven't had a chance to witness it or partake in it yet	[02:38]
tg2	give me some time	[02:38]
tg2	I'll collect the best ones tonight and shitpost them here after	[02:38]
benkay	no honor in that	[02:38]
benkay	rip 'em to their face.	[02:38]
benkay	make them explain their 'business models'.	[02:38]
tg2	That's what the drinks are for	[02:38]
tg2	I like to ask them repeatedly what their current assetes are	[02:39]
tg2	lol	[02:39]
tg2	over and over	[02:39]
tg2	until they realize they have no assets	[02:39]
benkay	of course they don't they're tech startups	[02:39]
benkay	kinda stupid approach	[02:39]
tg2	then I pitch their idea back to them and ask them for $x ($x being the value they asked)	[02:39]
tg2	as thats pretty much the value of an idea	[02:39]
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nubbins`	tg2 are you from montreal originally	[02:40]
tg2	no	[02:40]
tg2	I am just stuck here like a fly on a shit pile	[02:40]
tg2	montreal has increasingly less and less to get interested about	[02:41]
tg2	toronto is happening now	[02:41]
tg2	as far as startups and bubbles go, montreal is pretty boring	[02:41]
tg2	3 notable startups per year	[02:41]
tg2	2.8 of them flop	[02:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00093283 = 16.3245 BTC [-]	[02:42]
tg2	we have, and you can count them on one hand	[02:42]
tg2	about 4 startups that you may have heard of	[02:43]
tg2	if you follow the startup scene closely	[02:43]
tg2	lol	[02:43]
tg2	http://builtinmtl.com/	[02:43]
benkay	isn't there a freelancer billing company up there?	[02:44]
benkay	freshbooks or summat?	[02:44]
tg2	it looks like a template on themeforest	[02:44]
tg2	passwordbox	[02:44]
benkay	startups are responsive templates, tg2	[02:44]
tg2	at our "incubator"	[02:44]
Mats_cd03	nice buzzword placement bros	[02:44]
tg2	there are about 5 teams owrking on a bitcoin payment processor	[02:44]
tg2	lol	[02:44]
tg2	each on their own	[02:45]
tg2	obviously	[02:45]
tg2	we're really giving ycombinator a run for their money	[02:45]
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tg2	montreal is home to the biggest porn company online	[02:46]
tg2	that is pretty much our most successful web company	[02:46]
tg2	(and in no way am I underplaying the actual value of that)	[02:46]
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tg2	here's a good one, "Delta - the last web startup"	[02:47]
tg2	i wish	[02:47]
tg2	Delta lets people semantically describe the past, present, and future. Based on these descriptions, Delta understand intents and can help you make your wishes become reality, by connecting you to people that offer solutions to your problems.	[02:47]
tg2	holy fuck where do I sign	[02:47]
Mats_cd03	lol	[02:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-]	[02:48]
Mats_cd03	understand intents? have all of the money	[02:48]
tg2	when I get to 100m$ in the bank, I'll choose the shittiest startup I can find	[02:48]
tg2	and make it a success	[02:48]
tg2	as proof of concept that it's not idea even, but execution	[02:48]
benkay	so hey everyone	[02:49]
benkay	a copyright notice at the bottom of your silly little webapp is all you really need	[02:49]
Mats_cd03	and thats why youre poor tg2	[02:49]
tg2	so poor	[02:49]
benkay	don't get on your developers' case about owning all their ip	[02:49]
benkay	it's bad form and it shows not only that you have no idea what you're going on about, but that you're afraid of things you don't understand	[02:49]
tg2	lol	[02:50]
benkay	just say yes, send us checks when we bill you, and enjoy software free of your own bad decisions	[02:50]
tg2	yeah that copyright symbol	[02:50]
tg2	stands on it's own	[02:50]
tg2	no need for actual IP protection	[02:50]
tg2	just slap that baby on	[02:50]
tg2	ready to raise some capital	[02:50]
benkay	ugh people raising capital	[02:50]
tg2	wow hey there's another gem on here	[02:50]
benkay	if i never work with another brilliant 20 year old again it'll be too soon	[02:51]
tg2	"ZeroGox.com"	[02:51]
tg2	"Hosted MtGox trading bot"	[02:51]
tg2	loll	[02:51]
benkay	old dudes with capital and biz experience only tyvm.	[02:51]
tg2	fortune 500 here we come	[02:51]
tg2	good thing I'm not an old dude, born in the 70's	[02:51]
tg2	I'm the 80's gen	[02:51]
tg2	we just tell people straight up that their idea is worth less than the air they used to expel it from their mouths	[02:51]
benkay	you do contract dev, tg2?	[02:52]
tg2	no I have 20 people working for me here that work on in-house projects	[02:52]
tg2	and I invest in about 2-3 external projects	[02:52]
tg2	I don't do contract development, haven't for years	[02:52]
benkay	and you fell for an altcoin scam?!	[02:52]
tg2	yeah poor me right!	[02:53]
tg2	i put 50 btc into doge when it was 56 satoshis	[02:53]
tg2	which actually brought the price up to 68 satoshis	[02:53]
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tg2	sold at 281	[02:53]
Mats_cd03	r u ballin now?	[02:53]
cazalla	much profit	[02:53]
tg2	for 50btc worth	[02:53]
tg2	now i'm sitting on a lot of doge	[02:53]
benkay	well take the p/d elsewhere buddy.	[02:53]
tg2	and I hate doge	[02:53]
tg2	but if I sell it, it will crash doge	[02:53]
tg2	wat do	[02:53]
benkay	uh	[02:54]
benkay	don't derp with altcoins?	[02:54]
Mats_cd03	no dark pools? how bout -otc?	[02:54]
cazalla	sounds like first one to sell winsd	[02:54]
tg2	anyway, gonna get inundated by poor business plans	[02:54]
tg2	gnite	[02:54]
BingoBoingo	Crash Doge? For the lulz?	[02:54]
tg2	sell 90m doge	[02:54]
tg2	see how hard it falls?	[02:54]
tg2	pretty hard	[02:54]
benkay	yeah crash it for teh lulz	[02:54]
tg2	could yeah	[02:54]
tg2	but not much in it for me to do that	[02:54]
tg2	lol	[02:54]
tg2	it was hard enough to offload 50btc worth at 281 and not crash it down	[02:55]
BingoBoingo	tg2: Well you could make some headlines, the press loves the Dogers	[02:55]
tg2	had a 20btc buywall and was just selling to anybody who poked over it for 3 hours	[02:55]
tg2	they sponsored a nascar team	[02:55]
benkay	those illiquid markets	[02:55]
tg2	asking me to help	[02:55]
tg2	i'm like you want me to sponsor a no-name nascar team	[02:55]
tg2	for 1 race	[02:55]
tg2	solid investment champs	[02:55]
BingoBoingo	Maybe set an ask wall at 72 satoshis	[02:56]
tg2	its all about dark	[02:57]
tg2	i wish there was more volume	[02:57]
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tg2	anyway, play money - easy come easy go	[02:57]
benkay	you and every other *coiner sitting on a hoard.	[02:57]
tg2	i like to spend my coins	[02:57]
benkay	last night i tried to put a photo onto my iphone	[02:58]
benkay	lolzolozozolollolzozl	[02:58]
moiety	christ, not another drama please - even if the last drama landed us in bitcoinmagazine in the end - i'd like a break.	[02:59]
benkay	what's today's drama moiety?	[02:59]
moiety	tg2: so you hate the fact that you have all this doge... and this led you to think it would be a great idea to get a pile of dark coin? failing to see the logic here	[03:00]
moiety	benkay: no i just mean a crash would be lol	[03:00]
benkay	much kek	[03:00]
tg2	i had too much doge	[03:02]
tg2	so i bought darkcoin	[03:02]
tg2	whats not to understand	[03:02]
tg2	which part are you having trouble with	[03:02]
tg2	look closer if you can't see the logic	[03:02]
*	moiety speaks slowly: the logic behind it	[03:02]
wao-ender	yay startups	[03:02]
moiety	if you hated the first experience so much....	[03:02]
tg2	i hated making money	[03:02]
wao-ender	tg2: top3 startups from montreal	[03:02]
tg2	it was really maddening for me	[03:02]
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tg2	i bought 50btc worth because my firend wouldn't shut up about altcoins	[03:03]
tg2	and then it went 6x in like 3 days	[03:03]
tg2	and i was forced to exit with 0 risk and swallow my pride	[03:03]
tg2	i wanted to prove to him that it was a bad idea to buy dogecoins while they were on the decline	[03:03]
tg2	and all altcoins	[03:03]
tg2	but alas, fucking doggers	[03:03]
wao-ender	very rich	[03:03]
*	moiety wasn't actually looking for a book response //rhetorical questions ftw	[03:04]
tg2	> asks question	[03:04]
tg2	> gets answer	[03:04]
tg2	> answer is satisfactory	[03:04]
tg2	> shitpost that it was rhetorical	[03:04]
moiety	are you on cocaine by any chance tg2?	[03:04]
tg2	> pwhew saved my ass on that one	[03:04]
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*	jadne looks at moiety	[03:04]
moiety	can i help you jadne?	[03:05]
tg2	wao-ender: passwordbox, lagoa	[03:06]
tg2	we had a decent one called 5by	[03:06]
tg2	but they sold for like $2 to stumbleupon	[03:06]
jadne	moiety: i think it is the general consensus that i am beyond help.	[03:06]
tg2	as all startups in this shit hole do	[03:06]
benkay	what's up, jadne?	[03:06]
wao-ender	passwordmanager?	[03:06]
wao-ender	c'mon	[03:06]
wao-ender	so last decade	[03:06]
tg2	yeah thats what i said!	[03:06]
jadne	benkay: nothing? must something "be up"?	[03:06]
tg2	i guess people really want to keep their credentials in somebody elses hands, you can't deny that market demand	[03:07]
tg2	lol	[03:07]
benkay	well you're beyond help, neh? surely there's something afoot.	[03:07]
benkay	perhaps not up or elevated, but afoot or acunt	[03:07]
*	jadne checks her acunt	[03:07]
jadne	nope	[03:07]
wao-ender	lagoa looks cheesy	[03:07]
benkay	everything kosher down south?	[03:08]
jadne	as far as i can tell. i mean, i havent had a rabbi look.	[03:08]
benkay	it takes more than a look, jadne	[03:08]
jadne	there doesnt seem to be any shellfish or dairy	[03:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00093878 = 15.0205 BTC [+]	[03:08]
benkay	oh the talmud is complex	[03:08]
benkay	requires a professional etc	[03:08]
*	jadne nods	[03:09]
benkay	moiety: is this one yours?	[03:09]
moiety	not guilty!	[03:09]
benkay	how came ye by -assets, jadne?	[03:10]
jadne	i forget who i was stalking.	[03:10]
jadne	maybe @aantonop	[03:10]
benkay	<-- professional cunstultant	[03:10]
benkay	cuntsultant	[03:10]
benkay	cunt sultan!	[03:10]
jadne	and then it just seemed like a reasonable group of people to spend idle time with	[03:10]
benkay	har the assettes? reasonable?	[03:11]
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jadne	ha	[03:11]
jadne	compared to some of the other irc channels i idle in?	[03:11]
jadne	yeah.	[03:11]
BingoBoingo	Is @aantonop ever ehre?	[03:11]
jadne	the drama is un-fucking-believable in some places	[03:11]
jadne	BingoBoingo: not by that nick that i have noticed, no	[03:11]
TestingUnoDosTre	whats the best alternative to password manager? just encrypt the file yourself with a password?	[03:12]
cazalla	i really hope redban baits andreas next time he is on the podcast	[03:12]
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benkay	TestingUnoDosTre: that's a good start	[03:13]
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moiety	benkay, are you saying im unreasonable? D: gasp	[03:15]
benkay	i've yet to meet a reasonable woman :D	[03:16]
moiety	lololol	[03:16]
jadne	truth.	[03:16]
benkay	but it's not all about you, moiety	[03:17]
benkay	sheesh	[03:17]
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jadne	heh	[03:17]
moiety	ach weesht you, none of its ever about me :P i need a sarcasm tag	[03:18]
benkay	now now i'm playing along	[03:19]
moiety	ik that ;P	[03:20]
BingoBoingo	Odds look out of alignment here http://bitbet.us/bet/740/may-i-suggest-9b-difficulty/	[03:21]
moiety	now where did i put that duct tape....	[03:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.0009381 = 21.717 BTC [-] {2}	[03:21]
benkay	oh wow moiety just what are you planning to do with the tape now?	[03:22]
moiety	i can't say, it could be used against me at a later date....	[03:23]
*	benkay raises just...one...eyebrow.	[03:23]
moiety	lol BingoBoingo i'm tempted by this one http://bitbet.us/bet/795/this-summer-will-be-the-hottest-on-record/	[03:23]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Go for it	[03:24]
moiety	england's summer falls on a different day to scotland's though	[03:24]
moiety	this could skew my betting	[03:25]
moiety	quite amazed its so high on no	[03:27]
moiety	oh its only 1:1	[03:27]
BingoBoingo	Yeah, just starting bets	[03:27]
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benkay	so bitbet is averaging just about 1 accepted bet/day for the past two weeks	[03:29]
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benkay	http://bitbet.us/bet/784/s-mpoe-to-rise-above-0-001-before-july/	[03:33]
ozbot	BitBet - S.MPOE to rise above 0.001 before July	[03:33]
BingoBoingo	sounds about right	[03:33]
benkay	this one has some steel behind it:	[03:33]
benkay	http://bitbet.us/bet/775/iron-ore-62-fe-cfr-china-tsi-jan/	[03:33]
ozbot	BitBet - Iron Ore 62% Fe, CFR China (TSI) Jan 2015 over $200 at any point in 2014	[03:33]
benkay	vastly more than the bitstamp out of business one lolzolzo	[03:34]
TestingUnoDosTre	surprised bitstamp under 500 before may doesnt have more...	[03:35]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00270796 = 1.0832 BTC [-] {8}	[03:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00283797 = 0.1022 BTC [+] {3}	[03:38]
MisterE	Note name of author: http://www.pfhub.com/poll-americans-distrust-bitcoin-and-prefer-gold-457/#sthash.yidxzuVA.dpuf --> http://i.imgur.com/8reXviD.jpg	[03:39]
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benkay	i've been wondering what big texty tattoo i should do	[03:42]
benkay	hex of the genesis block seems appropriate for this chapter in my life	[03:42]
jadne	ha	[03:42]
jadne	that would be kind of cool	[03:42]
jadne	i'd be impressed if you showed me that at a con :)	[03:42]
MisterE	xD	[03:43]
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benkay	moiety: i know you like teh kittehs but check out this gorgeous mutt: http://imgur.com/kGFjsOt	[03:47]
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benkay	(and his dong)	[03:48]
TestingUnoDosTre	on his dong8	[03:48]
pankkake	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mircea_Popescu	[03:49]
ozbot	Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[03:49]
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benkay	my business partner just found the seed for his electrum wallet	[03:51]
benkay	he's losing his shit	[03:51]
moiety	benkay: he is lovely! what a beautiful colour	[03:51]
TestingUnoDosTre	MP, how do those stock distributions work. Like how long does it take one round to end	[03:51]
benkay	moiety: brindles are beautiful.	[03:52]
benkay	baby doll wants a blue one or a fawn one next	[03:52]
MisterE	boy that Frozen movie was nonsense	[03:52]
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moiety	brindle is gorgeous i think	[03:53]
moiety	MisterE: why you watching frozen?!	[03:53]
MisterE	yea the girl looked nice	[03:53]
MisterE	ThickAsThieves told me	[03:53]
moiety	but they sing in it *shudders	[03:54]
moiety	wow was the wikipedia made with permission??	[03:54]
MisterE	dunno i always imdb	[03:54]
TestingUnoDosTre	for example, I'm looking at the S.NSA page, and I see the buy quantities, but was thinking there might be timestamps next to each category.	[03:55]
moiety	no i was ref above lol	[03:55]
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MisterE	that mutt looks mutty	[03:56]
MisterE	though that is a pretty smart breed iirc	[03:56]
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ThickAsThieves	MisterE: why you watching frozen?! /// problyno the Frozen you think	[03:57]
jadne	i liked frozen. a lot. :p	[03:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0554 = 0.277 BTC [+]	[03:58]
moiety	I didn't think you would Disney ThickAsThieves	[03:58]
ThickAsThieves	MisterE, I named many movies that I liked, most better than Frozen	[03:58]
ThickAsThieves	but I do appreciate it nonetheless	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	o look at how famous i am now.	[03:58]
ThickAsThieves	How Famous Are You Now?	[03:59]
MisterE	wow didnt know any of that about mircea_popescu	[03:59]
MisterE	better print it out its up for deletion those nazi editors lol	[03:59]
ThickAsThieves	oh the wiki	[03:59]
MisterE	nice work on the public corruption bit	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	tg2> as proof of concept that it's not idea even, but execution << you are, of course, late in your reading.	[04:00]
MisterE	yea ThickAsThieves the wiki... and to be fair Frozen was not the worst movie I've ever watched	[04:00]
moiety	i see the 2010 one now	[04:00]
MisterE	mircea_popescu: if BSD was in trouble surely they had plenty of notice, years, that they were going to be in trouble? Why the suddenly, "we're broke and need a lifeline"?	[04:01]
MisterE	yea moiety 2010 and it has a ski lift chair on the front	[04:01]
MisterE	there are other frozen titles	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	MisterE it's complicated, of course.	[04:02]
MisterE	how? either they mismanaged their money or there was a big event?	[04:03]
pankkake	or it's a good way to raise funds	[04:03]
MisterE	heh fair point	[04:03]
pankkake	though nonprofits really like when people subscribe (i.e. donate every month) most people don't	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	MisterE generally speaking, everything that exists has needs. after someone finances them their being financed seems the most natural, easiest thing in the world, and hardly worth the mention.	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	before anyone does, however, no one either wants to or really intends to, and the future looks more like an end.	[04:04]
MisterE	no I know foss projects need ongoing financing	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	way of the world.	[04:04]
TestingUnoDosTre	and hows the lelsSEC scandle proceeding?	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	so yes, they had been wailing for months that they're screwed.	[04:04]
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mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre nothing much really. like one of those 1950s broads, nose up in the air and a lot of hot puff in the head i'm sure.	[04:05]
MisterE	alright, I assume you checked their financial management was sound before funding them	[04:05]
mircea_popescu	as if cocks now suck themselves or something.	[04:05]
MisterE	you're not dummy	[04:05]
MisterE	WTF? where can i get one of them ASAP?	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	so who's jadne ?	[04:06]
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jadne	mircea_popescu: er	[04:07]
jadne	i have been lurking and contributing infrequently for ... i dunno, weeks or months maybe	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[04:07]
MisterE	o/	[04:07]
jadne	but this evening i find myself alone at home and substantially bored and somebody here said something that caught my attention and i have not subsequently minimized the window	[04:08]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo by now, who even knows who reads the website proceeds.	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre:	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	whats the best alternative to password manager? just encrypt the file yourself with a password? << gpg --encrypt --armor -r yourname	[04:09]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Is that a typo I left somewhere?	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you were asking about aantonp	[04:10]
BingoBoingo	Ah	[04:10]
MisterE	TestingUnoDosTre: and you can store it in your git	[04:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00093493 = 5.0486 BTC [-]	[04:10]
BingoBoingo	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mircea_Popescu#Mircea_Popescu	[04:10]
ozbot	Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[04:10]
MisterE	did you do that BingoBoingo ?	[04:10]
BingoBoingo	MisterE: Do what?	[04:10]
MisterE	theose fucken nazi editors quick deleted all the pages I strted too	[04:11]
MisterE	the wiki page on MP	[04:11]
BingoBoingo	Nah,	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	lol some massive trollage there huh.	[04:11]
BingoBoingo	MP's page isn't deleted, but they are "discussing it"	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	your handiwork ?	[04:11]
MisterE	hah, I wish. Great idea though now you mention it.	[04:11]
BingoBoingo	My only contribution to the thing was: "Keep The footnotes seem to establish sufficient coverage to definitely establish notability worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedic reference. Media references to him seem likely to be sustained into the future so long as Bitcoin remains relevant. It should also be noted the the Romanian language sources that mention him do not detract from the notability. He's attracted substantial interest	[04:11]
BingoBoingo	in the Romanian language space in the past and has been gathering a lot of notice in the English language space. Since he doesn't seem to be slowing down on doing big thing or on attracting big headlines, criticism on the basis on notability sounds weak. Mr Wave (Talk - Contribs) 02:09, 27 March 2014 (UTC)"	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	jeez look at that, the discussing it page is larger than the actual article.	[04:12]
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BingoBoingo	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mircea_Popescu	[04:12]
ozbot	Talk:Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i mean the second one you linked	[04:13]
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pankkake	pretty much every new page on WP gets a deletion page	[04:13]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Yeah, that is them derping about deleting or not.	[04:13]
pankkake	it's like half of the active editors are deleters	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	heh you know what, this mess gives me hope. if wikipedia can be this insanely nutty/bureaucratic/fastidious and survive	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	maybe there is hope for our "stfu and go read for six months" approach to life.	[04:13]
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BingoBoingo	pankkake: Back in the days of it being library school homework I stealthed in some pages that didn't get the delte flag	[04:14]
TestingUnoDosTre	it's hilarious because there's no real difference between an actual wikipedia talk/discussion and trolling	[04:14]
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pankkake	well it wasn't like that before	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	i can't believe they're discussing each other's intentions as a pre-requisite to discussing whether they should be discussing if the thing should be discussed.	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	or w/e it is.	[04:14]
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BingoBoingo	Well, ad hominem is effective if fallacious	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	i guess if one provides employees wikipedia links that should count as anticonceptionals under obamacare ?	[04:15]
BingoBoingo	Prolly	[04:15]
BingoBoingo	Looky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2014_March_24#Amir_Taaki	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	ah come on, that must be sockpuppetry.	[04:17]
BingoBoingo	Note who suggested deletion of the Taaki article	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	i can't wrap my head around the notion someone seriously considered that thing is an article.	[04:17]
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mircea_popescu	waiot and there's a reddit ?!	[04:17]
jadne	mircea_popescu: on wikipedia, it kind of works as an article as it is thoroughly-sourced	[04:18]
jadne	the idea being somebody will come along later with a better grasp of how to fucking wite	[04:18]
jadne	wrrrrrite	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	the taaki thing ?	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	you have got to be kidding me.	[04:18]
jadne	oh, derp	[04:19]
jadne	disregard me, it hought you were talking about "your" article	[04:19]
jadne	we now return to our regularly scheduled lurking	[04:19]
BingoBoingo	I still can't believe Taaki wanted to self delete on the wiki	[04:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15493 @ 0.00093878 = 14.5445 BTC [+]	[04:19]
mircea_popescu	all art is feigning.	[04:19]
benkay	and piracy	[04:19]
BingoBoingo	So is all sport	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre what about stock distributions were you asking ?	[04:20]
TestingUnoDosTre	like S.NSA	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	stock is announced, people put bids in, stock is issued, then it trades.	[04:20]
TestingUnoDosTre	on your page, you list the amount like 100,000 , and the price in BTC, like .00000001	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	you mean on mpex ?	[04:21]
TestingUnoDosTre	but I'm wondering how much time it took for the next round to end	[04:21]
TestingUnoDosTre	yes	[04:21]
TestingUnoDosTre	stock purchasing, IPO funding	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	there was only one round in s.nsa.	[04:21]
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TestingUnoDosTre	What about multiple buy quantities at multiple prices	[04:22]
TestingUnoDosTre	is that not considered multiple rounds?	[04:22]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2013#340311	[04:22]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[04:22]
BingoBoingo	Each of the MPEx stocks IPO'd a bit differently. I imagine it is mircea_popescu Still working on a "best" way to do it.	[04:22]
mircea_popescu	that was the announcement	[04:22]
TestingUnoDosTre	that's the page I'm looking at	[04:22]
TestingUnoDosTre	whats with all the data in the top right?	[04:22]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2013#351229	[04:23]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	that was the ipo.	[04:23]
TestingUnoDosTre	errr sorry. Blocks is the word I'm looking for	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	at the top right ? you mean the book ?	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	$depth s.nsa	[04:23]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: S.NSA Bids: ['80 @ 0.000111', '100 @ 0.000101', '10000 @ 0.0001', '1957 @ 0.0001', '20000 @ 9.851e-05']	[04:23]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: Asks: ['7241 @ 0.000156', '5000 @ 0.00016', '10000 @ 0.00018', '35600 @ 0.00021', '140000 @ 0.000215']	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	that stuff ?	[04:23]
TestingUnoDosTre	yeah	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	that's the book.	[04:23]
TestingUnoDosTre	ooook	[04:23]
pankkake	https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amir_Taaki&diff=566099557&oldid=566097405	[04:23]
ozbot	Amir Taaki: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	no fucking way ?!	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3066.0 < actually legit ?	[04:24]
ozbot	Erotic chat by Skype	[04:24]
TestingUnoDosTre	so all IPO shares were bought at .0001?	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	"these girls are really horny and excited about doing this."	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre well yes.	[04:25]
benkay	just voice chat?	[04:26]
benkay	wackness.	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if it was him doing voices ?	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	"Occupation chairman, Bitcoin Consultancy"	[04:26]
TestingUnoDosTre	lol	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	you remember bitcoin consultancy, i'm sure. the thing which is still liable for bitcoinica loss. you remember bitcoinica, i'm sure. the dry run for the mtgox fiasco.	[04:26]
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BingoBoingo	Ofc	[04:28]
BingoBoingo	This seems familiar https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Chronic_Troll_Syndrome	[04:28]
bitcoinpete	i'm heading out the door and i'll bbl but i just published this:	[04:29]
bitcoinpete	http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/who-what-where-when-why-web-of-trust/	[04:29]
ozbot	The 5 Ws of WoT \| When Bitcoin Met Pete	[04:29]
TestingUnoDosTre	okay so for BitBet, how did you release the shares in blocks?	[04:29]
benkay	bitcoinpete: reminder friday's a day	[04:29]
mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre yes.	[04:29]
TestingUnoDosTre	I see the numbers etc	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	as far as i recall bitcoin's most exciting ipo to date.	[04:30]
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TestingUnoDosTre	but how did you make sure that one person's bid made it into a block, or did not	[04:30]
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BingoBoingo	BitBet is basically Bitcoin's most exciting everything	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	Jan 05 07:38:59 sooo, drumroll!	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	Jan 05 07:38:59 http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET	[04:30]
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mircea_popescu	sadly public logs don't go that far.	[04:30]
bitcoinpete	benkay: remembered!	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	(jan 2013)	[04:30]
benkay	cya, bitcoinpete	[04:31]
benkay	;;ud kipping	[04:32]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kipping \| kipping. A form of cheating while doing pull-ups, whereby and individual struggling to do another abruptly jerks the knees upward to provide extra lift and remove ...	[04:32]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: kipping	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	http://dpaste.com/1758473/	[04:33]
ozbot	dpaste: #1758473	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	there.	[04:33]
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benkay	anduck lolzolzozl	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile elsewere in the swamp,	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-26/citigroup-fails-fed-stress-test-as-goldman-bofa-modify-plans.html	[04:33]
ozbot	Citigroup Fails Fed Stress Test as Goldman, BofA Alter Plans - Bloomberg	[04:33]
BingoBoingo	At least MPEx and MPOE survived the February options stress test	[04:34]
benkay	wait, mpoe survived?!	[04:34]
chetty	http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/26/us-usa-casinos-moneylaundering-idUSBREA2P1P120140326	[04:35]
ozbot	Exclusive: U.S. to require casinos to vet high rollers' funds - sources	[04:35]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Sure, just the bot is on leave	[04:35]
benkay	no, there are no options on sale.	[04:35]
benkay	this is distinct from the bot quoting.	[04:35]
BingoBoingo	benkay: There can be if you write them	[04:35]
benkay	wat rly?	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	notrly.	[04:36]
benkay	mircea_popescu: confirm?	[04:36]
benkay	ya I TO JOO	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	not atm anyway. but yes, if you want to mm options we can work it out	[04:36]
benkay	ahahahahahahahahah	[04:36]
benkay	oh my sides	[04:36]
benkay	yeah if you think you can beat mp	[04:36]
benkay	feel free to mm options in btc	[04:36]
benkay	gl kids	[04:36]
BingoBoingo	And MPOE is alive	[04:36]
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benkay	the asset by ticker of S.MPOE is alive	[04:37]
benkay	the options emporium, eh	[04:37]
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benkay	do forgive my pedantry.	[04:37]
nubbins`	!t m s.mpoe	[04:37]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0009316 / 0.00094411 / 0.0009529 (235357 shares, 222.20 BTC), 7D: 0.00080946 / 0.00093157 / 0.00096 (4496923 shares, 4,189.22 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00085903 / 0.00096 (30475036 shares, 26,179.27 BTC)	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	benkay you know how many people ask me about random x y z "wall street outfit" that's going to make an options market and whart do i think etc ?	[04:37]
BingoBoingo	The options emporium is open to anyone willing to MM options without shitting themselves	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	and i usually go "sure, why not. send me pictures."	[04:37]
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benkay	with no options it ain't much of an emporium, BingoBoingo	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	it is now the pimporium.	[04:38]
BingoBoingo	benkay: I'm thinking some koans might be relevant.	[04:38]
nubbins`	m-pop	[04:38]
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Mats_cd03	somehow share price managed to appreciate after options are pulled	[04:38]
benkay	koan me baby	[04:38]
benkay	koan sweetly in my ear	[04:38]
Mats_cd03	can someone explain that?	[04:39]
velly	hey guys	[04:39]
benkay	options were confusing	[04:39]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 either a) people are insane ; b) there's more afoot than meets the eye ; or c) the options were perceived as more of a risk source than revenue source.	[04:39]
benkay	no confusion -> more easily determined price?	[04:39]
benkay	iono. ask de massah	[04:39]
benkay	hey velly, what's news	[04:40]
BingoBoingo	Student walks into a bookstore mid semester and sees no textbooks on the shelves, asks the manager what kind of bookstore is this. Manager replies, this is the bookstore you need. You just don't need it now.	[04:40]
Mats_cd03	i see	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell bitcoinpete i'm not so crazy about your spacing and formatting of irc snippets	[04:40]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[04:41]
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mircea_popescu	very airy.	[04:41]
asciilifeform	commented on the wikiwankatron, for what that's worth.	[04:41]
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velly	sorry im a bit of a noob, can anyone help me out? What is a good price for s.mpoe and how do I get into it	[04:41]
chetty	http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2014/03/25/mind-your-manners-ocean-city-to-post-no-profanity-signs/	[04:41]
ozbot	Mind Your Manners: Ocean City To Post ‘No Profanity’ Signs « CBS Baltimore	[04:41]
benkay	oooooooh mircea_popescu fixed his footnote linespacing	[04:41]
benkay	talking all kinds of shit on everyone else's design work nao	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	the people who had wikipedia accounts ?!	[04:42]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] {2}	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	check out asciilifeform : ten contributions since 2006.	[04:42]
asciilifeform	lol	[04:42]
asciilifeform	i'm not much of a pediwikist, no.	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	previous being a jan 2013 thing on naggum	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	more flattered, i could not be.	[04:42]
asciilifeform	lolmatic	[04:42]
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mircea_popescu	velly it's a good idea to take your time, read, etc.	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	mpoe isn't going anywhere.	[04:43]
velly	ok sounds good	[04:43]
velly	where do I start	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	here. the log is in the topic	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	you can read that backwards, it's enlightening	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i had no idea he died 40	[04:44]
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mircea_popescu	man sounds ancient.	[04:44]
BingoBoingo	;;ident BingoBoingo	[04:44]
velly	the irc log?	[04:44]
asciilifeform	he did. very treatable disease (gastric something or other) left untreated. it was arguably a kind of suicide by self-neglect	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	velly yes	[04:44]
asciilifeform	the man was loaded, left a very well-kept library that was auctioned off. and a cat. was a sort of disillusioned type.	[04:45]
velly	seems a bit dry...	[04:45]
asciilifeform	found dead at his console, i believe.	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	"In 1995, Erik started a journalism watch-group project on the web, campaigning to get a journalist sacked from Aftenposten following the publication of a sensationalist story about how Internet Relay Chat channels were used to trade child pornography."	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	such a waste of champagne	[04:45]
BingoBoingo	Was there something earlier about needing an education experienced person to contribute to a reading list?	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo yes there was.	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	but i gather the consensus was, dump everything on lampelina and then scream at her for it not being right.	[04:46]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I might actually have training and experience in the education field.	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	so in that case maybe put together something ?	[04:46]
BingoBoingo	Lemme GPG and paste the credentials	[04:46]
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velly	anything more directly informative? I'm not really sure I want to read through this whole log--- even so far there's a lot of fluff...	[04:47]
asciilifeform	quite possibly, naggum died of regret - for being responsible for 'xml'	[04:47]
TestingUnoDosTre	here https://coinbr.com/about	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	velly not really. it's like a monk's life, you know ? no way to separate the learning from the toil.	[04:47]
BingoBoingo	velly: Stuff is being worked on.	[04:47]
asciilifeform	he took engineering standards very seriously. very much, almost pathologically, a 'future-oriented' fellow	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform shameful thing to be responsible for.	[04:48]
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TestingUnoDosTre	who are you guys talking about meow?	[04:48]
*	MisterE velly: a bit of infos here: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/	[04:48]
asciilifeform	TestingUnoDosTre: a mr. erik naggum, died in 2009.	[04:48]
velly	thanks guys, I'll have a look into this. I have somewhat of a futures background, but I'd like to make sure I'm well informed before I start on this side of things.	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	velly it may seem preposterous to begin with, but take the word of a stranger in a chatroom :	[04:49]
asciilifeform	lol pediwikia has already proclaimed me a spammer	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	the time you spend reading that stupid fluff will be the best roi of your life.	[04:49]
velly	you're not a stranger :)	[04:50]
asciilifeform	how's that	[04:50]
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mircea_popescu	they can't be fucking serious lmao	[04:50]
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velly	but unfortunately I'm not in a position to read long IRC chat logs	[04:51]
Apocalyptic	you don't have to read all of it at once you know	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	" Dem State Senator Who Authored Gun Control Legislation Arrested for Conspiring to Traffic Firearms"	[04:51]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: mailed, figuring out this GPG for jpg's thing	[04:51]
velly	it goes on for months	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	i wonder what he is could also having problems for.	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	velly years, actually.	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you dun have to proveanything, just do something that works.	[04:52]
velly	not everyone has time for that	[04:52]
velly	seems like there are better sources for the information	[04:53]
velly	I don't want your judgement	[04:53]
velly	I just want to know where to start to inform myself	[04:53]
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chetty	the log with the reuters interview would be a good start	[04:53]
velly	how can I even know that the discussion in here is reliable or correct?	[04:53]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I really just wanted to take a picture of the diploma. I spent way too much on it for too little return. Having it in the Dossier at MP intel central at least makes up some of the waste	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	lol	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	velly you can't.	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	which is part of your problem.	[04:54]
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mircea_popescu	chetty i guess, if he were specifically a journalist looking for how to behave in the new, post-fiat world.	[04:54]
velly	so why would I bother reading years of unreliable and irrelevant discussion	[04:55]
BingoBoingo	velly: So that you might in a year know what parts are reliable	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	that you can't figure out that it is reliable and relevant doesn't make it the opposite.	[04:55]
chetty	the interview log has a lot of good links	[04:56]
asciilifeform	answered the 'you are a spammer' fellow, for what that's worth.	[04:56]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform there are probably numerous better uses fdor your time	[04:56]
asciilifeform	surely.	[04:56]
mircea_popescu	among them, making paper out of celophane	[04:56]
mircea_popescu	(it can be done)	[04:56]
velly	I have to go now, lunch break over and have work to do. Thanks for everyone's help. Sadly, not everyone has infinite time.	[04:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00094468 = 22.2 BTC [+]	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	the beauty of life on earth is that no one has infinite time.	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	so it's always a sorting problem.	[04:58]
velly	well reading that IRC log would simply break my np complexity limits :v	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	that's the point :D	[04:59]
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mircea_popescu	i think this convo may actually become canonical link-to for future people who have the problem.	[04:59]
asciilifeform	i think the dynamics of pediwikia 'deletionism' are vaguely interesting - the innumerable pages on obscure fictional characters, etc. that stand perfectly firm, and so on. but the topic has been beaten to death elsewhere.	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	not unrelated to "where can i read all about the english language ?" "uh... just pick up a book ?" "what if it sucks ?" "... what do you want from me!"	[05:00]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the more fascinating observation, reviewing this bowlfull of guts irc has graciously thrown at me, is just how... innate! the bureaucratic behaviour is.	[05:02]
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asciilifeform	the 'beetle type'	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	people derping about evil government have it all wrong. people WANT to spend their time toiling pointlessly, with small tools.	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	where is that lion tamer schetch	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMOmB1q8W4Y	[05:02]
ozbot	Monty Python - Lion Tamer - YouTube	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	there we go	[05:02]
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asciilifeform	who thrives on 'housing committee' and similar places. takes delight in demolishing orchards, at the owner's expense, for 'violations', and the like.	[05:03]
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mircea_popescu	incidentally... anyone seen all about eve ?	[05:03]
asciilifeform	they exist, and are the muscle, bones, of bureaucracy	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	very young monroe,	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	very powerful davis, splendid george sanders	[05:04]
nubbins`	sea of love was good	[05:04]
asciilifeform	'territorial' behaviour, not even specifically mammalian	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not even sure it's that. maybe it is.	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	but it's the pointlessness of the activity that strikes me.	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	consider greenspun's earlier point :	[05:05]
benkay	velly: you don't have to read the whole logs, just sit and lurk and digest	[05:06]
benkay	it'll be great roi, take it from a stranger	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	"This oldster has tenure. He draws the same salary regardless of whether he sits through those interminable boring committee meetings. Why would he agree to do it? Why wouldn't he rather be playing squash, riding a horse, flying an aircraft, walking his dog, etc.?"	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	his ready answer is that "The distressing possibility that the oldster agreed to be on the committee so that he would have a venue in which people would listen to him does not occur to the youngster."	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	but maybe that's only part of the problem.	[05:06]
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mircea_popescu	maybe what the real problem is has more to do with lions. as long as we sit put and do nothing, a lot of pointless, small, provably impotent nothing...	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	... we.... we cant die.	[05:07]
asciilifeform	there is also the undying, zoological enmity of mediocrity to anything colourful, alive.	[05:07]
BingoBoingo	I had a professor like that. Octagenarian stroke survivor.	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	i believe it is fear of death.	[05:07]
BingoBoingo	TA'd for them	[05:07]
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asciilifeform	beetle man lives a kind of demo version of death, even alive	[05:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23808 @ 0.00094537 = 22.5074 BTC [+] {2}	[05:08]
asciilifeform	he already knows what he sums to - zero	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	don't go up and strike a conversation with the tall woman. why not ? well...	[05:08]
BingoBoingo	They wore basketball shorts and a wifebeater to lecture unless they had higher university business on a particular day	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	it's not the woman that's intimidating, of course. but she looks like the sort of men that'd pursue her might kill you	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	and so with everything else. hoc sunt leones.	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo wifebeater ?! seriously ?	[05:09]
Mats_cd03	og	[05:10]
cazalla	that's like half my wardrobe	[05:10]
nubbins`	^ heh	[05:10]
cazalla	but i'm aussie so it goes without saying	[05:10]
nubbins`	the other half being a pair of pants?	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	a pinskirt ?	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	wifebeater and pin skirt. now that'd be the outfit.	[05:11]
cazalla	if i said thongs, i guess you couldn't be blamed for thinking pin skirt	[05:11]
moiety	i dont mean to contribute more fluff, but we might have to stage an intervention for asciilifeform; first the lolcats, now internet spam, it'll be reflinks next.... :o	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	moiety and by we i mean you. sick'im girl.	[05:12]
asciilifeform	possible revelance to beetle men discussion:	[05:13]
asciilifeform	;;google Jonathan Haidt foundations	[05:13]
gribble	Home \| moralfoundations.org: ; Jonathan Haidt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Moral Foundations Theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[05:13]
asciilifeform	see 'purity'	[05:13]
asciilifeform	(tldr - psychology crackpot who wrote a taxonomy of human motivations)	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	"b) is actually Romanian, and perhaps in some relation to the Romanian Foreign service."	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	wait wait... the plot thickens	[05:14]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: It is the coloqualism for a sleeveless undershirt	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	i'm being persecuted in effigy by wikipedia james blond.	[05:14]
moiety	asciilifeform: i demand you hand over all your manul pics, its for your own good.	[05:14]
asciilifeform	moiety: pet the manul (tm)	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	(with a black shoe)	[05:15]
MisterE	LMAO: http://i.imgur.com/xbmzqYp.gif	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	http://www.yourmorals.org/ym_dinner_2011.jpg why do people today look like a bunch of dorks	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	no wonder painting is dead as an art. who, or should i say what, to paint ?	[05:15]
asciilifeform	MisterE: if i recall, from same: http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Futurama_740ef3_1220967.gif	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	"1) Care/harm: This foundation is related to our long evolution as mammals with attachment systems and an ability to feel (and dislike) the pain of others. It underlies virtues of kindness, gentleness, and nurturance."	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	there's no such dislike of pain in others.	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	"2) Fairness/cheating: This foundation is related to the evolutionary process of reciprocal altruism."	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	pfff	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	just add global warming and stir.	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	it's a wholly innovative, verily incisive bit of us-science.	[05:18]
BingoBoingo	This is the professor in question who wears gym attire to lecture if anyone is curious http://mypage.siu.edu/geosched/	[05:18]
moiety	MisterE: I fear for a Farmville revival VR style via OR	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	red on blue, always a good choice.	[05:18]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if i recall, the writer in question wasn't prescribing 'principles' for people, but tried to catalogue where various anthropological common threads (taboos among savages, etc.) were.	[05:19]
Apocalyptic	moar contrast needed	[05:19]
asciilifeform	admittedly through the lens of, well, whatever he was.	[05:19]
moiety	aww i was hoping for lycra in the link BingoBoingo	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	moiety http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Cotton_planter_and_pickers1908.jpg	[05:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 478 @ 0.00267085 = 1.2767 BTC [-] {8}	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes. and he catalogued them into "martini" and "gin"	[05:20]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Consolation prize maybe? http://thesouthern.com/news/local/student-levels-racism-charges-in-siu-department/article_0ed2a97a-cd94-11e2-a088-001a4bcf887a.html	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	wherein of course martini is not a vermouth.	[05:20]
asciilifeform	;;borges chinese encyclopaedia	[05:20]
gribble	Error: "borges" is not a valid command.	[05:20]
asciilifeform	;;google borges chinese encyclopaedia	[05:20]
gribble	Celestial Emporium of Benevolent Knowledge - Wikipedia, the free ...: ; Borges' Encyclopedia - Multics: ; Preface to The Order of Things - Serendip:	[05:20]
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asciilifeform	imho not entirely useless.	[05:21]
MisterE	ahh yes Bryn Mawr, the consolation prize of Ivy league schools	[05:21]
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asciilifeform	MisterE: if it weren't for emmy noether, would anyone ever know of bryn mawr ?	[05:22]
MisterE	also known as a finishing school for Southern hussies on the hunt for financial security	[05:22]
MisterE	:)	[05:23]
punkman1	http://arxiv.org/abs/1403.6676	[05:23]
ozbot	[1403.6676] Bitcoin Transaction Malleability and MtGox	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	you say that as if it were a bad thing.	[05:23]
rithm	These jokes are so high brow	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	an earnest hussy looking for a husband'd seem a lot more respectable than a pretentious priss pretending she belongs in tech or government or w/e.	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	punkman1 so are they saying that mtgox made it up ?	[05:24]
punkman1	mircea_popescu: seems like it	[05:24]
MisterE	there's nothing wrong about being up front about the desire for security when selecting a mate	[05:24]
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moiety	BingoBoingo: o.o is he actually racist or is jackson butthurt for never being promoted?	[05:25]
BingoBoingo	moiety: I'll decline to comment.	[05:25]
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benkay	mircea_popescu: except in the us where the notion of a 'wife' in the older than a decade sense is abhorrent to the youth.	[05:27]
BingoBoingo	Oh, so many fucking vircurex notes	[05:28]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: Probably a little bit of each, but I had moved on by then	[05:29]
MisterE	http://blog.erratasec.com/2014/03/we-may-have-witnessed-nsa-shotgiant-tao.html	[05:29]
ozbot	Errata Security: We may have witnessed a NSA "Shotgiant" TAO-like action	[05:29]
*	moiety nods I was thinking this BingoBoingo	[05:29]
MisterE	benkay: most of the world is OK with a 20 years age diff	[05:30]
BingoBoingo	moiety: I've met both of them, but my knowledge of each is insufficient to make a judgment on who is likely more truthful	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	punkman1 well, it was known since t+1second, but it's good someone actually put it in writing, so to speak.	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	benkay one doesn't get too far in life by paying any heed to the youth.	[05:31]
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moiety	BingoBoingo: i'm looking forward to part 2 of vircurex btw // yeah theres nothing quite like university staff politics	[05:31]
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punkman1	mircea_popescu: they had been gathering data since Jan 2013, transactions looking like malleability-attacks only spiked after the Mtgox press release	[05:32]
punkman1	someone should bug them to release all that data, would be good to have	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[05:32]
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mircea_popescu	do we know who they are ?	[05:33]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Well they were one of the earliest crypto-concerns I had dealt with back in early 2013. I have a lot of notes. // Well I threw up in one or both party's residence at least once	[05:33]
punkman1	Christian Dcker, Roger Wattenhofer, ETH Zurich	[05:33]
punkman1	*Decker	[05:33]
BingoBoingo	;;gettrust chatquack	[05:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04779799 = 0.1912 BTC [+] {3}	[05:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05421 = 0.1626 BTC [-] {2}	[05:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.10144642 = 0.3043 BTC [-] {2}	[05:33]
MisterE	I don't believe the malleability bug had much of anything to do with Gox's insolvency	[05:33]
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punkman1	"However, while MtGox claimed to have lost 850,000 bitcoins due to malleability attacks, we merely observed a total of 302,000 bitcoins ever being involved in malleability attacks. Of these, only 1,811 bitcoins were in attacks before MtGox stopped users from withdrawing bitcoins. Even more, 78.64% of these attacks were ineffective."	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	Hamburg University of Applied Sciences ?	[05:35]
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MisterE	punkman1: where you reading?	[05:36]
punkman1	MisterE: the paper I linked	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	http://www.dcg.ethz.ch/contact.html there we go	[05:37]
ozbot	Distributed Computing Group	[05:37]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00094452 = 6.4227 BTC [-]	[05:37]
BingoBoingo	http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/03/26/americans_are_skipping_the_bank_reconsider_that_career_as_a_bank_teller.html	[05:37]
ozbot	Americans are skipping the bank: Reconsider that career as a bank teller.	[05:38]
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moiety	http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/irish-banks-refuse-to-let-bitcoin-firm-open-account-30128988.html	[05:39]
ozbot	Irish banks 'refuse to let Bitcoin firm open account' - Independent.ie	[05:39]
BingoBoingo	What serious Bitcoin firm would want or need a bank account	[05:40]
moiety	thats what i wondred, why are they going to the bank anyways	[05:40]
moiety	also last bit is irrelevant but hilarious "mtgox falling victim..."	[05:40]
mircea_popescu	anyway, this has all been very exciting but i'll have to bid you all a very good morning.	[05:42]
BingoBoingo	lol	[05:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.0061 = 0.671 BTC [-] {2}	[05:43]
moiety	sleep well mircea_popescu	[05:43]
*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[13:05]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com	[13:05]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[13:05]
mircea_popescu	good moornin	[13:06]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0faKka86xN4	[13:07]
ozbot	Good Morning ~ Singin' in the Rain (1952) Gene Kelly, Debbie Reynolds & Donald O'Connor - YouTube	[13:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13047 @ 0.00093704 = 12.2256 BTC [-] {2}	[13:07]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 101 @ 0.00260062 = 0.2627 BTC [-] {2}	[13:11]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/#comment-98724	[13:13]
ozbot	Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[13:13]
mircea_popescu	zesepeople.	[13:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14359 @ 0.00093537 = 13.431 BTC [-] {2}	[13:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35221 @ 0.0009401 = 33.1113 BTC [+] {5}	[13:14]
ThickAsThieves	omg total log pollution	[13:19]
ThickAsThieves	tg2 is what? ChaangNoi?	[13:19]
ThickAsThieves	(i have you on ignore btw)	[13:20]
mircea_popescu	i doubt it.	[13:21]
mircea_popescu	goat can't manage to go through two hours without trying to suck up to someone, he's quite eastern.	[13:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.10144642 = 2.0289 BTC [-]	[13:24]
ThickAsThieves	it was all the claims of riches that made me think so	[13:24]
ThickAsThieves	he's the only one i recall repeating how much he recently made of something	[13:25]
ThickAsThieves	off*	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	i believe that's a more common trait than felony.	[13:26]
cazalla	doesn't chaang come around here anymore (reading through logs, he's quite active last year) ??	[13:28]
mircea_popescu	(before being repurposed by english to mean "criminal", felony denoted the behaviour of the overly-socially adaptable, they who go from inflexible grandeur in the presence of inferiors to abject suckupitude should any superiors show up. de funes in the gendarme series is a fine example)	[13:28]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0058612 = 0.2931 BTC [-] {5}	[13:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10246 @ 0.00093324 = 9.562 BTC [-]	[13:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 330 @ 0.00577263 = 1.905 BTC [-] {13}	[13:29]
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ThickAsThieves	https://internet.org.nz/	[13:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18595 @ 0.00094359 = 17.5461 BTC [+] {2}	[13:39]
ThickAsThieves	https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=600	[13:41]
ThickAsThieves	"However, tax treatment of Bitcoin as a property, and not a currency, may make compliance with tax laws unnecessarily cumbersome and imposes untenable recording and reporting requirements on its users. This is an unwelcome result for most bitcoin users, but is particularly detrimental to those that Bitcoin can help the most: small business and underbanked individuals. When it is used	[13:41]
ThickAsThieves	as a currency, Bitcoin should be a frictionless means of paying for goods and services. "	[13:41]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6085 = 1.217 BTC [+] {2}	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	derp.	[13:49]
mircea_popescu	that thing should have read "We thought we knew better than MP, but we did not. We will now wear rough burlap on the skin for the next year as penace"	[13:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16243 @ 0.00094395 = 15.3326 BTC [+]	[13:50]
ThickAsThieves	this video on the Internet Party site has some laughs	[13:52]
ThickAsThieves	mostly at the NZ pm's expense	[13:53]
VanCleef	kim dot com for teh win	[13:54]
mircea_popescu	the notion that nz has pms in the first place...	[14:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 22 @ 0.10144642 = 2.2318 BTC [-]	[14:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 107 @ 0.10144642 = 10.8548 BTC [-]	[14:14]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00094485 = 32.1249 BTC [+] {2}	[14:21]
davout	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW-oUXqomT0	[14:23]
ozbot	If bitcoins were around in the '90s... - YouTube	[14:23]
bounce	http://arxiv.org/pdf/1403.6676v1.pdf	[14:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.07 = 2.59 BTC [-] {3}	[14:25]
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dignork		[14:34]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 127 @ 0.00261 = 0.3315 BTC [+]	[14:38]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07288924 = 0.2916 BTC [+]	[14:40]
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chetty	http://www.thedailysheeple.com/man-arrested-for-public-consumption-of-iced-tea-urged-to-take-a-deal-from-prosecutors_032014	[14:50]
ozbot	Man Arrested for Public Consumption of Iced Tea Urged to Take a "Deal" from Prosecutors \| The Daily	[14:50]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/a-mental-problem/	[14:55]
ozbot	A mental problem pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[14:55]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00094481 = 7.5585 BTC [-] {2}	[15:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2130 @ 0.00094425 = 2.0113 BTC [-]	[15:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00261001 = 0.1984 BTC [+]	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	nanotube http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=mircea_popescu&sign=ANY&type=RECV	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	why does it say "This user has not authenticated for more than 16156 days" ? i've authed like... yesterday	[15:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 220 @ 0.00261 = 0.5742 BTC [-]	[15:06]
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mircea_popescu	for that matter, otc hasn't existed for 16k days i would hope	[15:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3895 @ 0.00094406 = 3.6771 BTC [-]	[15:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00094406 = 14.6329 BTC [-]	[15:14]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07000005 = 0.49 BTC [-] {3}	[15:16]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16611 @ 0.00094502 = 15.6977 BTC [+] {3}	[15:28]
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moiety	mew	[15:31]
moiety	;; later tell asciilifeform MOTD http://imgur.com/1k3rZSf	[15:32]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	i heard manuls are now illegal in the united states.	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	http://thefreeonline.wordpress.com/2014/03/24/stop-the-evictions-55-banks-occupied-today-2/	[15:36]
ozbot	STOP the evictions.. 55 Banks Occupied today!!!! \| The Free	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	some of the pics quite lulzy.	[15:36]
chetty	http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/redtape2014_FINAL.jpg	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	http://thefreeonline.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/antonio-pah-popular-edu-bayer_ediima20130726_0647_16.jpg like that one	[15:36]
MisterE	what is up with this dump?	[15:37]
moiety	that picture of bush is a cracker	[15:37]
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moiety	mircea_popescu: i think some of them think its a parade	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	or something.	[15:38]
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moiety	im glad manuls are illegal in the us, they dont have to deal with the gvt. also not naturally there so they should be left alone to survive as long as possible.	[15:38]
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VanCleef	wow bitcoin prices are dropping alot, awesome	[15:39]
moiety	i think these ones are just protesting for legal weed...in front of a bank http://i.imgur.com/LjIWfvZ.png	[15:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00261411 = 1.5685 BTC [+] {3}	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[15:42]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 530.0, Best ask: 531.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 530.01, 24 hour volume: 20457.00800923, 24 hour low: 521.3, 24 hour high: 592.0, 24 hour vwap: 557.384556905	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	it's been dropping ?	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	last i looked i recall it was also 550	[15:42]
VanCleef	yeh dropped to 521 on stamp	[15:43]
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moiety	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-26747649	[15:44]
ozbot	BBC News - North Korea: Students required to get Kim Jong-un haircut	[15:44]
VanCleef	hehe yeh read thtat, tis funny	[15:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00094272 = 1.6498 BTC [-]	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	i wonder what'll happen should kim herp-derp decide to shave his balls.	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73817000/jpg/_73817643_mm00221184.jpg << this looks like a set from hair.	[15:45]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.0026006 = 0.2991 BTC [-] {3}	[15:45]
VanCleef	i think he already does	[15:46]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07288944 = 0.2916 BTC [+]	[15:47]
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chetty	he has balls?	[15:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00574449 = 0.5744 BTC [-] {7}	[15:48]
VanCleef	i hope he goes bald then every male has to have a bald haircut my hair is thinning so if i go bald too i am so moving to north korea because you'll be able to get all teh chicks as baldness becomes cool	[15:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07288955 = 0.1458 BTC [+]	[15:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05489775 = 0.3294 BTC [+]	[15:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.04791 = 0.2875 BTC [-]	[15:50]
chetty	bald is sexy	[15:50]
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CheckDavid	Hey	[15:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9262 @ 0.00094272 = 8.7315 BTC [-]	[16:04]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 90 @ 0.00421998 = 0.3798 BTC [-] {7}	[16:05]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 89 @ 0.00410519 = 0.3654 BTC [-] {9}	[16:07]
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mircea_popescu	ello	[16:08]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.07801016 = 0.234 BTC [-]	[16:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 12 @ 0.07801014 = 0.9361 BTC [-] {2}	[16:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]	[16:19]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6075 = 1.215 BTC [-] {2}	[16:26]
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assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 432 @ 0.0025 = 1.08 BTC [+]	[16:33]
TomServo	http://bitbet.us/bet/793/bitcoin-to-drop-under-500-before-may/	[16:35]
ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $500 before May	[16:35]
TomServo	pretty quick swing there!	[16:35]
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MykelSIlver	What is the Low on Bitstamp?	[16:39]
MykelSIlver	Seems it was breefly on $500	[16:40]
MykelSIlver	under	[16:40]
MykelSIlver	!last	[16:42]
assbot	I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.	[16:42]
MykelSIlver	!help	[16:42]
assbot	List of commands:	[16:42]
assbot	!ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}	[16:42]
assbot	!last (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}	[16:42]
assbot	!mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)	[16:42]
assbot	!rules (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}	[16:42]
assbot	!exchanges (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}	[16:42]
assbot	!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)	[16:42]
assbot	!bash (desc: bashes last lines to bash) {short: !b}	[16:42]
assbot	!quote (desc: quotes last lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}	[16:42]
MykelSIlver	!last bitstamp	[16:43]
assbot	I thought I told you not to touch me.	[16:43]
lnovy	505 afaik	[16:43]
TomServo	;;ticker	[16:43]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 522.96, Best ask: 524.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.04000, Last trade: 522.96, 24 hour volume: 25859.58689375, 24 hour low: 505.0, 24 hour high: 588.01, 24 hour vwap: 548.210623289	[16:43]
MykelSIlver	thx	[16:43]
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lnovy	but not for long :)	[16:43]
MykelSIlver	you wanna bet on that :-) ?	[16:44]
lnovy	i prefer to trade :)	[16:44]
MykelSIlver	cool	[16:44]
MykelSIlver	look like the next leg down	[16:46]
MykelSIlver	s	[16:46]
MykelSIlver	quite a support	[16:47]
MykelSIlver	atm	[16:47]
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MykelSIlver	Neo is fighting Morpheus	[16:49]
tg2	Psa don't drink and post. Benkay is a good sport though for putting up with such trolling last night and still having patience after	[16:51]
tg2	Enough patience to write an article. :D	[16:52]
MykelSIlver	So http://bitbet.us/bet/793/bitcoin-to-drop-under-500-before-may/ is resolved soon?	[16:53]
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TomServo	Resolves May 1st, unless it crosses sooner - the way I read it.	[16:54]
MykelSIlver	It can cross this hour	[16:55]
MykelSIlver	284 BTC to be sold on bitstamp according to rtbtc	[16:56]
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MykelSIlver	oops	[16:56]
MykelSIlver	1530	[16:56]
MykelSIlver	BTC	[16:56]
MisterE	ltc is a bloodbath	[16:56]
MykelSIlver	great time for bottom pickers	[16:57]
MisterE	https://btc-e.com/exchange/ltc_usd	[16:57]
ozbot	loading	[16:57]
MisterE	I dont think we're there yet	[16:57]
tg2	Holy $14	[16:58]
tg2	irs decision needs a supreme court case to reverse	[16:58]
dexX7	lol wow via pm "Basically, I want to write some VB modules which can send bitcoin transactions. Of course, there aren't many examples out there how to do that. If we could talk on the telephone for 15 minutes, you'll save me about 3 days work." ... suuure	[16:58]
VanCleef	even 100$ is too expensive	[16:58]
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jurov	!t m x.eur	[16:58]
assbot	[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.0025 / 0.0025 / 0.0025 (432 shares, 1.08 BTC), 7D: 0.0025 / 0.0025 / 0.0025 (432 shares, 1.08 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00214608 / 0.0025 (3831 shares, 8.22 BTC)	[16:58]
nubbins`	dexX7: so send 'em a quote for 3 days work	[16:58]
tg2	Can't have different government departments treating it differently to their preference	[16:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60500011 BTC [-]	[16:59]
dexX7	wait. what was trilema's office number again? :D	[16:59]
nubbins`	HEH	[16:59]
tg2	Lol	[16:59]
nubbins`	i think you just type out the email address on the keypad	[16:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.60500002 = 5.445 BTC [-] {2}	[17:00]
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VanCleef	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4	[17:00]
ozbot	The Doors - The End (original) - YouTube	[17:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00570004 = 0.2451 BTC [+] {3}	[17:01]
dexX7	http://www.immersion-cooling.com/publications/Analysis_of_Large-Scale_Bitcoin_Mining_Operations.pdf	[17:01]
VanCleef	goes well while watching bitcoinwisdom	[17:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00570002 = 0.1995 BTC [-] {2}	[17:02]
bounce	not exactly hard to get a sip did, even a free one.	[17:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 107 @ 0.00566334 = 0.606 BTC [-] {6}	[17:03]
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nanotube	mircea_popescu: fixed thanks. :)	[17:03]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.10144642 = 0.8116 BTC [-] {2}	[17:06]
bounce	what're we going to see next, bitcoin mining container ships following low electricity prices around the globe?	[17:07]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56950 @ 0.00094339 = 53.7261 BTC [+] {3}	[17:07]
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moiety	nubbins`: so, look what i found... http://colnect.com/en/coins/coin/36009-500_Manat_Pallas_Cat-Wildlife_Series-Turkmenistan they're in fiat already!	[17:07]
nubbins`	:o	[17:07]
punkman1	moiety: https://coinsboutique.com/content/silver-coins-manul-1-oz-silver-coin-antique-finish-mongolia-2014	[17:07]
moiety	oh dear god	[17:08]
moiety	thats... quite something punkman1!	[17:08]
moiety	my collection is growing! ty!	[17:08]
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moiety	my site will be useless but fucking informative	[17:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24650 @ 0.00094457 = 23.2837 BTC [+] {2}	[17:09]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00094553 = 23.5437 BTC [+] {4}	[17:10]
moiety	that one has crystals in it too! :o	[17:10]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00269314 = 0.2478 BTC [+] {4}	[17:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17830 @ 0.00094228 = 16.8009 BTC [-] {2}	[17:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.605 = 1.21 BTC [-]	[17:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2022 @ 0.00013797 = 0.279 BTC [+] {2}	[17:18]
nubbins`	the mongolian one is pretty sick	[17:20]
nubbins`	reminds me of the canadian owl coin	[17:20]
nubbins`	http://www.coinnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/2014-Canadian-Snowy-Owl-Gold-and-Silver-Coins.jpg	[17:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 107 @ 0.04780965 = 5.1156 BTC [-] {6}	[17:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.605 BTC [-]	[17:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00013797 = 0.2759 BTC [-]	[17:22]
dexX7	lol those coins are evil	[17:23]
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nubbins`	i'm just looking at the new releases, they've got a coin with a frog made from venetian glass attached to it	[17:26]
nubbins`	http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/Mjg0WDUxMw==/z/oeMAAOxyjxlTM3-u/$_2.JPG	[17:26]
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dexX7	looks like it would break or fall off quickly	[17:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 160 @ 0.00271073 = 0.4337 BTC [+] {5}	[17:27]
nubbins`	my guess is there's an anchor protruding from the silver	[17:28]
punkman1	setting gems is not an unsolved problem	[17:28]
nubbins`	yeah, i'd be shocked to see it on a circulation coin	[17:29]
nubbins`	i guess for a numismatic, it doesn't have to be quite as sturdy	[17:29]
Namworld	I'm pretty sure it's meant to be on a display box	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	soo, the mpoe astrology department informs me that april the 20th, other than being orthodox easter, is also going to be a grand cross and the first of four blood moons.	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	sounds ominouis dunnit ?	[17:31]
Namworld	And not actively handled, so there's that. Should be fine.	[17:31]
jurov	it's catholic eater, too	[17:31]
jurov	*easter lol	[17:31]
Namworld	What the hell is a blood moon?	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	o it is ?	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	;;google blood moon	[17:31]
gribble	What is a Blood Moon? \| Human World \| EarthSky: ; Divine Sign for Israel? Hagee Explains Blood Moons - Inside Israel ...: ; Blood-moons fallout: NASA goes hiding - WorldNetDaily: (1 more message)	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	nanotube nono, ty :)	[17:31]
Mats_cd03	well thats going to look awesome when im baked	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	MykelSIlver did it cross ?	[17:32]
MykelSIlver	nope	[17:32]
VanCleef	baked? isn't that illegal?	[17:32]
MykelSIlver	;;ticker	[17:32]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 528.81, Best ask: 529.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 529.0, 24 hour volume: 29481.45338267, 24 hour low: 505.0, 24 hour high: 587.5, 24 hour vwap: 544.928762099	[17:32]
VanCleef	:P	[17:32]
Namworld	I call that a "Look, the moon is fucking brown-orange."	[17:32]
MykelSIlver	505.0 still LOD	[17:32]
mike_c	please ask the astrology dept what the lucky lotto numbers are for a cancer under such conditions.	[17:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00093723 = 2.0619 BTC [-]	[17:33]
MykelSIlver	must be a miracle if this was the Low till May	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	mike_c aite!	[17:34]
Mats_cd03	depends what jurisdiction youre in VanCleef	[17:34]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c 12 13 22 54 59 63	[17:35]
mike_c	sweet, i'm gunna be rich	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	watch the dood actually win the powerball or some shit.	[17:35]
jurov	you forgot to ask which lotto	[17:35]
jurov	and for one i'm wondering what's the "grand cross"	[17:36]
dexX7	505 oh noez... i guess no more hookers and blow till the tide shifts again ;)	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	;;google grand cross	[17:36]
gribble	Grand Cross - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Grand cross (astrology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The Cardinal Grand Cross - April 2014 \| - Lua Astrology:	[17:36]
Mats_cd03	those are weak numbers... go for broke, 4 18 15 16 23 42	[17:36]
asciilifeform	i never learned so much about lottos as when researching trng.	[17:36]
nubbins`	soo, the mpoe astrology department informs me that april the 20th, other than being orthodox easter, is also going to be a grand cross and the first of four blood moons. <<< it's also 420 CARL SAGAN BLAZE IT YO	[17:36]
Mats_cd03	(Lost reference if i left anybody behind)	[17:36]
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Mats_cd03	http://i.imgur.com/w4CLJ8r.jpg	[17:38]
dexX7	lol	[17:39]
nubbins`	http://www.reddit.com/r/circlejerk/comments/15kcsd/til_a_dying_carl_sagans_last_words_were_literally/	[17:39]
ozbot	TIL a dying Carl Sagan's last words were literally "420 blaze it, Faggot." He whispered them to his	[17:39]
asciilifeform	http://www.chron.com/jobs/article/Police-Bryan-worker-gets-accidental-huge-4753063.php	[17:39]
MisterE	those are the numbers from lost	[17:39]
asciilifeform	'...officials at Texas Steel Conversion mistakenly issued Cesar Jaime Saldivar a paycheck for $99,275, and now they want it back. Saldivar, 25, who was captured on video making a large cash withdrawal, has been charged with felony theft...'	[17:39]
dexX7	wow	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	nice mug on him	[17:40]
MisterE	stupid people do stupid	[17:40]
MisterE	same happened to GF's sister	[17:40]
MisterE	deposited an extra month's salaruy	[17:41]
MisterE	she went out and spent it all and tried to play it off when they cam calling, silly Asians, she was paying it off for ages	[17:41]
nubbins`	so will the government give back the $38k in taxes?	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	sure, in 2023	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	just as soon as the supreme court rules it must.	[17:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07288954 = 0.2187 BTC [-]	[17:42]
asciilifeform	this is a good educational story re: fiat.	[17:44]
nubbins`	even if someone gives it to you, it's not necessarily yours	[17:44]
nubbins`	imagine	[17:44]
nubbins`	also, the price of bitcoin	[17:44]
nubbins`	imagine!	[17:44]
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asciilifeform	re: mircea_popescu's thoughts the other day about bank accounts being mandatory in u.s. - typically, when you sign up for direct deposit of salary here, you also sign a pact that allows the employer to withdraw.	[17:45]
asciilifeform	officially limited to cases like this	[17:45]
nubbins`	:o	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform also allows the BANK to withdraw	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	for any reason whatsoever.	[17:46]
chetty	gubermint in US also push to direct deposit of things like social security	[17:46]
MisterE	There's something even worse than fiat though	[17:46]
MisterE	Paypal	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	such as, to cover its own shortfall, or as directed by a frient of its (such as a regulator, without a court order) or in any other case.	[17:46]
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asciilifeform	this, however, is known to everyone	[17:47]
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asciilifeform	(it has become almost traditional to confiscate the bank account of the accused, so he cannot pay for lawyers)	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	it's really the fundamental principle that allowed the MF Global debacle.	[17:49]
asciilifeform	in usa, nothing is actually yours unless it is small enough to run away with.	[17:49]
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mircea_popescu	that, and bitcoin.	[17:50]
asciilifeform	that'd be 'small enough', sure	[17:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18328 @ 0.00093723 = 17.1776 BTC [-]	[17:50]
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asciilifeform	carefully specified 'run away' - because, e.g. 'dpr' appears to have been successfully rectothermed.	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	maybe.	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	a more persuasive theory is that the usg used this opportunity to launder its own mining proceeds.	[17:52]
asciilifeform	lol	[17:52]
MisterE	it's probably already CIA's favorite way to fund the covert trouble it starts	[17:53]
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asciilifeform	that would line up nicely with 'he had XXX but there's still XXXXX that we haven't rectothermed out'	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	early on, noob of-counsel had realised title'd be iffy but hadn't yet realised title will be challenged.	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	so they tried something along the lines of what seems a meanwhile abandoned project to inject title	[17:53]
Mats_cd03	the nonzero percentage of intelligence types involved in bitcoin makes my stomach turn	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 why ?	[17:54]
asciilifeform	Mats_cd03: if you want to leave meat in the sun and no flies, you will have to go to the arctic.	[17:54]
joecool	^	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	intelligence types are better company than almost any other class	[17:54]
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mircea_popescu	except whores, maybe.	[17:54]
Mats_cd03	many people in the intel field ive become acquainted with	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	hahahaha	[17:55]
Mats_cd03	are dumb as shit	[17:55]
lnovy	:D	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	that was pretty good.	[17:55]
Mats_cd03	aspiring super spy types and idiots that think they know something	[17:55]
asciilifeform	nsa vs. 'meta-nsa'	[17:55]
Mats_cd03	kind of like bitcoin really	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	what's next, most thieves i've met in jail weren't all that good at it ?	[17:56]
chetty	jajajaja	[17:56]
joecool	mircea_popescu: you were in jail?	[17:56]
MisterE	heh yea, they regularly parade through ##security	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	joecool not yet.	[17:56]
MisterE	get ther hats handed to them and move on	[17:56]
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Mats_cd03	people that have spent time working in military intelligence are the worst	[17:57]
asciilifeform	my secret hope is to meet the interesting ones some day. although it will probably be before my firing squad.	[17:57]
Mats_cd03	probably something to do with how low the barrier to entry is for military types...	[17:57]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform intelligence doesn't kill people, bureaucracies kill people.	[17:57]
asciilifeform	ever hear the saying 'see Naples and die' ?	[17:57]
MisterE	military prefers and promotes non-thinkers	[17:58]
MisterE	by nature it's not a meritocracy	[17:58]
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Mats_cd03	in my experience thats only half true	[17:58]
asciilifeform	intelligence doesn't kill people << certainly. this goes back centuries - e.g. inquisitor would hand the heretic over to the 'secular arm' for processing.	[17:58]
Mats_cd03	the american military is pretty good at straddling the line	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform inasmuch as you know who he was, he wasn't intel.	[17:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.42768314 BTC to 4`834 shares, 50221 satoshi per share	[17:59]
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asciilifeform	competent burglar can trip over a miraculous surprise and end in jail	[17:59]
asciilifeform	the sapper errs once.	[17:59]
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Mats_cd03	as far as training for platoon leaders go... us .mil excels at meritocracy, at least during a deployment in an area with modest insurgent populations	[18:00]
MisterE	so does the covert op	[18:00]
asciilifeform	you know who he was, he wasn't intel << so not necessarily.	[18:00]
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mircea_popescu	ya but ya know what i mean	[18:00]
Mats_cd03	basically a trial by fire for the tactically inept	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	never saw a spy with a title.	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	which reminds me of a seinfeld bit :	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	JERRY: I got ripped off for about the...18th time? And now, the first couple a times you go through it, it’s very upsetting and your first reaction or one of your friends will say, “Call the police. You really should call the police.” So you think to yourself, you know, you watch TV, you think, “Yeah, I’m calling the police. Stakeouts, manhunts... I’m gonna see some real action.” Right, you think that. So	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	, the police come over to your house, they fill out: The Report. They give you: Your Copy. Now, unless they give the crook his copy, I don’t really think we’re gonna crack this case, do you? It’s not like Batman, where there’s three crooks in the city and everybody pretty much knows, who they are. Very few crooks even go to the trouble to come up with a theme for their careers anymore. It makes them a lot tough	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	er to spot. “Did you lose a sony? It could be the Penguin. I think we can round him up, he’s dressed like a PENGUIN! We can find him, he’s a PENGUIN!	[18:01]
Mats_cd03	inevitably though, leaders lose their creativity by the time they become flag officers	[18:01]
Mats_cd03	but its usually lost by the time they make major	[18:02]
Mats_cd03	too much time flying a desk	[18:02]
asciilifeform	'mahogany bomber'	[18:02]
asciilifeform	(to the british)	[18:02]
Mats_cd03	whats worse is mustangs in the system are discouraged by design	[18:04]
asciilifeform	re: burglars: everyone who gets burgled quickly learns j. e. hoover's lesson 'justice is incidental to law and order'	[18:04]
Mats_cd03	mustangs: former enlisted that received a commission and are now officers (e.g. lieutenant)	[18:05]
MisterE	Mats_cd03: they know all they will need soon are an army of kids controlling bots in a video game like theater	[18:05]
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Mats_cd03	so the best warfighters and leaders of this generation are rapidly being replaced by... high school seniors	[18:05]
MisterE	hell drone program is enough for all but a stupid occupation like Iraq	[18:06]
MisterE	yea	[18:06]
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asciilifeform	can't wait for 'we didn't mean to demolish XXX. bot got hacked.'	[18:06]
Mats_cd03	and thats all the ranting i have for this morning	[18:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00093514 = 2.4781 BTC [-]	[18:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.04777125 = 0.3822 BTC [-] {3}	[18:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.05484888 = 0.4388 BTC [-] {3}	[18:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.10144642 = 0.8116 BTC [-] {3}	[18:07]
asciilifeform	(better excuse than the 'targeting error' that demolished the chinese embassy in belgrade. the one that happened to contain the pieces of the 'stealth' machine.)	[18:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.0475 = 0.665 BTC [-]	[18:08]
tg2	Oops our gross incompetence lead to this duration but it's really somebody elses fault	[18:08]
tg2	itt: every exchange in the last year	[18:08]
tg2	Hackers/transaction maleability/bots	[18:10]
nubbins`	bitcoin is like an early prototype airplane	[18:10]
nubbins`	people say "i want to fly!" and they run after it, grabbing onto the wheels, not realizing the effect their dead weight will have on it	[18:11]
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asciilifeform	airlines regularly find stowaways in landing gear shafts, dead of asphyxiation and frost	[18:11]
asciilifeform	there is definitely a parallel here.	[18:12]
nubbins`	right	[18:12]
nubbins`	the question is whether the airplanes will reach the point where the landing gear kills people	[18:12]
nubbins`	before the rest of the fleet crashes and burns	[18:12]
nubbins`	it's a race, i tell ya	[18:12]
Mats_cd03	well, i hope you'll all be in here when it happens	[18:13]
asciilifeform	to run with the analogy, the plane in question doesn't notice the idiot in the gear well at all.	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	this notion that children can somehow, with a lot of shaving paste and stilts, stand up to adults is laughable.	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	no high school senior hauled up in a basement is EVER going to be a soldier,	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	or matter in this wolrd.	[18:13]
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benkay	good shwarma	[18:18]
benkay	xdotcommer: domains as identification? are you pulling my leg or pulling my leg?	[18:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61888 = 2.4755 BTC [+]	[18:19]
nubbins`	wow, winds near Gros Morne exceeded 200km/h last night	[18:19]
xdotcommer	benkay: just telling you how it works... if its a popular site you know then guy aint going to runk with your 2K	[18:19]
Mats_cd03	pgp is too complicated, man	[18:19]
xdotcommer	pgp is pretty good	[18:20]
benkay	tellin me how it works	[18:20]
Mats_cd03	theres like, cryptography, and hashes, and stuff	[18:20]
benkay	i don't care about the 2k	[18:20]
xdotcommer	Mats_cd03: moar keywords please	[18:20]
asciilifeform	whichever british gentleman said 'those who do not have time for exercise will have to find time for disease'	[18:20]
asciilifeform	applies to pgp	[18:20]
benkay	i care about someone impersonating you.	[18:20]
benkay	xdotcommer seems to be exercising to look cool	[18:21]
benkay	he says is doesn't work like we think it does	[18:21]
asciilifeform	'those who do not have time for pgp will have to find time for being pwned'	[18:21]
benkay	those who took the time to pgp are still getting soldering irons in the tuchus.	[18:22]
xdotcommer	You guys are preaching to the choir I am all for this pgp stuff ... just was hard to figure out after night of boozing	[18:23]
asciilifeform	'hang for a sheep as well as a lamb'	[18:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6049 @ 0.00012478 = 0.7548 BTC [-] {4}	[18:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 634 @ 0.00260018 = 1.6485 BTC [-] {8}	[18:23]
xdotcommer	was here last night http://www.startupdrinksmontreal.com/	[18:23]
benkay	fartup scene	[18:23]
nubbins`	ah, that other guy was going on about that last night	[18:24]
benkay	sweet taste of ideas	[18:24]
xdotcommer	benkay: free berr	[18:24]
nubbins`	said something about how he goes there and pitches people's ideas back to them, making them weep when confronted with their own stupidity	[18:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4387 @ 0.00012445 = 0.546 BTC [-] {7}	[18:24]
xdotcommer	benkay: portland is not the only place with a startup theme	[18:24]
benkay	nope its unique	[18:24]
benkay	plugs ears, sings	[18:25]
Mats_cd03	if portland is anything like portlandia, it needs to be set afire from orbit	[18:25]
Mats_cd03	(i got netflix recently)	[18:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00012423 = 0.2485 BTC [-] {4}	[18:25]
benkay	don't believe everything hollywood tells you	[18:25]
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Mats_cd03	hollywood is the one pure truth	[18:26]
xdotcommer	This guys is like the local legend http://www.meetup.com/googleMTL/events/171743832/	[18:26]
benkay	idiot drivers is actually a thing, although that's more because perverse regulation.	[18:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 542 @ 0.00043965 = 0.2383 BTC [-] {8}	[18:26]
xdotcommer	Le CryptoCat	[18:26]
asciilifeform	'Encryption in the Browser' << satan preserve us	[18:27]
benkay	cryptocat was broken by design, right?	[18:27]
asciilifeform	hasn't 'Cryptocat' already fucked its public goat?	[18:27]
benkay	what is he still doing talking about crypto?	[18:27]
xdotcommer	asciilifeform: does not hurt to try	[18:27]
asciilifeform	how is bob still bridge-builder	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	either that or designed by the broken	[18:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 948 @ 0.00042231 = 0.4003 BTC [-] {7}	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	xdotcommer apparently you've not tried a great many things.	[18:27]
benkay	last year city council passed some rules about how pedestrians can walk out into the street and demand the right of way	[18:28]
xdotcommer	mircea_popescu: I did not mean for me... if the guy wants to do encryption in the browser ... I say let him go for it	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	im starting to understand something. if we manage to not turn into wikipedia within a decade we'll have actually accomplished an amazing feat.	[18:28]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	xdotcommer well sure. but in the same sense, if the twelve year old wants to have twins, let her ?	[18:29]
xdotcommer	mircea_popescu: depends in which country I guess	[18:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2990 @ 0.00011621 = 0.3475 BTC [-] {7}	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	or whose twelve year old, but yeah.	[18:29]
mike_c	if the three 19 year old CSS developers want to open an options exchange..	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	mike_c how did that thing settle down in the end ? "bitcoin's fault" ?	[18:30]
xdotcommer	mircea_popescu: and in which time/space as well years ago childbirth at 12 was not uncommon	[18:30]
benkay	if the 'crypto enthusiasiast' wants to build crypto humans use...	[18:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.00525234 = 0.5252 BTC [-] {4}	[18:30]
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mike_c	i don't think it was bitcoin, it was some altcoin	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	unrelatredly, http://24.media.tumblr.com/8d05d63b08beb33ad107aeed77d7c253/tumblr_mly580FwEY1s84s3eo1_1280.jpg	[18:31]
blackwhite	https://stripe.com/bitcoin	[18:31]
ozbot	Stripe: Bitcoin	[18:31]
Mats_cd03	mmm looks like california	[18:31]
xdotcommer	is there a way to streamline web of trust to the browser or its IRC only?	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	xdotcommer what are you trying to do ?	[18:32]
Mats_cd03	what?	[18:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00011051 = 0.5526 BTC [-] {3}	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	mike_c https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=536511.msg5917607#msg5917607	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	it's been replaced.	[18:32]
benkay	;;gettrust mircea_popescu	[18:33]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 5 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mircea_popescu \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu \| Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011	[18:33]
benkay	xdotcommer: there's already internet.	[18:33]
benkay	make a form.	[18:33]
benkay	have it post to irc	[18:33]
benkay	ain't that hard	[18:33]
xdotcommer	market place (ebay) using same gpg	[18:33]
xdotcommer	looks like it wont be too hard	[18:34]
benkay	ron gilad	[18:34]
benkay	https://www.google.com/search?q=runner+ron+gilad&espv=210&es_sm=91&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=q1I0U_aVJci8oQTev4KoCw&ved=0CCcQsAQ&biw=1244&bih=679&dpr=2	[18:34]
benkay	seventies art is cool again?	[18:34]
the20year3	I'm publishing the announcement shortly, but RentalStarter will be acquiring CryptoREI and thus add a North Carolina branch to our business.	[18:34]
xdotcommer	benkay: is that a portland artist of some sort?	[18:35]
dexX7	benkay: webform posting to irc.. sounds fishy	[18:35]
the20year3	We will also begin our 2nd tranche on Monday the 31st at .0075btc/share.	[18:35]
benkay	wait a sec let me google that for you xdotcommer	[18:35]
dexX7	but very related: www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEmO7wQKCMw	[18:35]
mike_c	good thing they opened up new TLDs or these cryptoexchanges would have run out of doman names by now.	[18:36]
bounce	veryexchange.sexy	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	the20year3 that should be interesting.	[18:36]
the20year3	I think so	[18:37]
benkay	xdotcommer: still need help with google?	[18:37]
VanCleef	how will u sell them at 0075?	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	ideally publish it as something readable, btw.	[18:37]
benkay	anyways, new york, like most good artists.	[18:37]
VanCleef	you will buy up the 0.005's?	[18:37]
xdotcommer	benkay: http://www.rongilad.com/	[18:37]
benkay	oh you found it!	[18:37]
benkay	good for you.	[18:37]
VanCleef	the20year3	[18:38]
the20year3	?	[18:39]
the20year3	VanCleef: i should, but i have no BTC in HL	[18:39]
benkay	!t h rent	[18:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525030 / 0.005265 / 0.00532521 (121 shares, 0.63706440 BTC), 7D: 0.00520970 / 0.00541285 / 0.00563480 (2353 shares, 12.73643556 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00556201 / 0.00900001 (46756 shares, 260.05711417 BTC)	[18:40]
VanCleef	hmmm so how will you be able to sell at 0,0075?	[18:40]
benkay	you're going to sell more for .0075 when they're already on the market for 0.0053?	[18:40]
the20year3	HL will automatically suspend all buy orders under .0075, so all buys have to go in at .0075	[18:40]
benkay	WHAT	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	wait what ?!	[18:40]
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benkay	haha	[18:40]
benkay	you've done it now, boyo	[18:41]
VanCleef	WHAT?!	[18:41]
the20year3	That's what HL does on all future rounds	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	obviously someone that owns shares can sell at any price they want.	[18:41]
pankkake	usual havelock practice yes	[18:41]
the20year3	They did it with PETA	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	but it's... fraudulent ?	[18:41]
the20year3	according to the policies on HL's site?	[18:41]
pankkake	did it with CBTC too	[18:41]
benkay	does this not strike you as a gross breach of free market principles, the20year3 ?	[18:41]
the20year3	Would it be free market if i went in and bought up all the shares below .0075?	[18:42]
benkay	yes.	[18:42]
the20year3	maybe i should do that then	[18:42]
benkay	too bad you don't have the cash.	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	but wait. someone buys some shares	[18:42]
benkay	;;gettrust the20year3	[18:42]
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mircea_popescu	and then they're not allowed to sell them anymore ?	[18:42]
benkay	;;gettrust the20year	[18:42]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user the20year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=the20year \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year \| Rated since: never	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	what sort of nonsense is this ?	[18:42]
Mats_cd03	lol	[18:42]
the20year3	As per my understanding they can sell after the 2nd round finishes, the same deal with the 1st round	[18:43]
benkay	once again, never do business outside the wot	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	i mean it's like a spiral of web scammy for that place.	[18:43]
Mats_cd03	does this sort of thing even have a name?	[18:43]
benkay	holy fuck monsters	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	the20year3 but the round can last indefinitely.	[18:43]
benkay	you people have no conscience.	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 yeah, "internet fraud" basically.	[18:43]
asciilifeform	does this sort of thing even have a name << chumpatron.	[18:44]
the20year3	I don't think they're allowed to have an indefinite 2nd round, from my understanding we were required to have a set 2nd round	[18:44]
the20year3	Otherwise the fund becomes illiquid	[18:44]
Mats_cd03	oh, i thought there might be a flighty finance term	[18:44]
Mats_cd03	im also baked out of my mind on pure gold	[18:44]
pankkake	can't you simply put a sell order of new shares?	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	the20year3 at any point you may seriously consider your involvement in this scheme may actually result in criminal charges.	[18:44]
Apocalyptic	pankkake, one does not simply sell shares on havelock	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	topace is nutty enough to imagine he's going to escape through some fraudulent sale to a panama front,	[18:45]
the20year3	what do you mean pankkake	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	but you should be somewhat more responsible, seeing how you're tied down to real estate.	[18:45]
pankkake	I mean do your second round on the open market, not on havelock special IPO feature	[18:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 643 @ 0.00532521 = 3.4241 BTC [+]	[18:45]
the20year3	That's a possibility too	[18:46]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake well other than it'll likely never generate any capital, it would resolve the problem yes.	[18:46]
topace	im not sure where you are getting this information	[18:46]
topace	but it is not correct	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	the general fate to people telling me my information is not correct is aptly represented by one trendon shavers.	[18:47]
topace	[12:40:35] HL will automatically suspend all buy orders under .0075, so all buys have to go in at .0075	[18:47]
topace	^ is what i was referring to	[18:47]
topace	the platform does not suspend orders below certain thresholds	[18:48]
the20year3	I may be wrong then	[18:48]
CheckDavid	You guys trade stocks of companies on these exchanges right with or without the need for personal identification?	[18:48]
mike_c	so enlighten us, how does a 2nd round ipo at a higher price than the market price work?	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	"They did it with PETA" " did it with CBTC too" ?	[18:48]
benkay	the20year3: it is staggering that you don't understand your own issuances.	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	seemed uncontroversial.	[18:48]
the20year3	RS is based primarily on USD and not BTC	[18:48]
benkay	topace: how is this next round at 0.0075 working?	[18:48]
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the20year3	USD price is the same at .0075 as it was when we did the last round at .0055	[18:48]
benkay	it's popcorn week!	[18:48]
asciilifeform	what is 'rental starter' co. anyway	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	benkay he's unrepresented, basically. doesn't have an ib/underwriter/anything.	[18:49]
topace	next round of what ?	[18:49]
benkay	mircea_popescu: i know.	[18:49]
topace	(remember, im no longer involved in running the exchange)	[18:49]
VanCleef	my penis just got a bit hard	[18:49]
the20year3	how so VanCleef?	[18:49]
benkay	well then how can you make any claims about what can or cannot happen on the exchange, topace?	[18:49]
mike_c	next "tranche" of RENT shares is going to be sold at 75, but market price is 53.	[18:49]
topace	because i wrote the code	[18:49]
benkay	and it couldn't possible have changed	[18:49]
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topace	there's no "you cant place orders below 0.0075 in the code"	[18:49]
benkay	possibly.	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	http://31.media.tumblr.com/e6dc76047ffec4f107c5d9e99de80c14/tumblr_ml1px0eVbl1sn68hmo1_1280.jpg	[18:50]
mike_c	so what, the block of shares is just released at the same time that open market trading continues?	[18:50]
benkay	wd	[18:50]
benkay	massive sell wall at 0.0075 that never gets eaten?	[18:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05484888 = 0.2742 BTC [-]	[18:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 42 @ 0.00562729 = 0.2363 BTC [+] {2}	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	benkay well, maybe it does get eaten eventually.	[18:51]
Mats_cd03	i am not aroused mircea_popescu	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	likely not right now	[18:51]
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the20year3	I don't think they can put in an indefinite sell wall , and at any rate there's no reason for us to fundraise past $1.5m USD	[18:51]
topace	im sorry i can only comment on what i see on the site, i dont see a new tranche?	[18:51]
benkay	mircea_popescu: explain it like i'm at least twelve	[18:51]
the20year3	It's starting Monday around noon	[18:51]
mike_c	asciilifeform: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=RENT they buy houses in ohio and rent them out.	[18:52]
benkay	topace: you can't make any claims about the code they're running if you can't make any claims about the code they're running.	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	benkay dat ambiguous status.	[18:52]
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benkay	the bet would be does the wall get eaten or rentalstarter fall apart first	[18:52]
benkay	fall apart/delist/get indicted	[18:53]
benkay	who knows - maybe there's three more months of going short btc via rent	[18:53]
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mircea_popescu	kind-of a pity in that a well managed business on those lines makes some sense.	[18:55]
VanCleef	anyone heard fromsfi lately?	[18:55]
VanCleef	sfi	[18:55]
VanCleef	or didthey just do a runner?	[18:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 210 @ 0.0026 = 0.546 BTC [-] {2}	[18:56]
benkay	the20year3: do please explain precisely how this new tranche is working	[18:56]
benkay	bring an underwriter or someone who understands	[18:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 402 @ 0.0004088 = 0.1643 BTC [-]	[18:57]
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mircea_popescu	VanCleef i have no idea, were they due a report or something ?	[18:58]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0056274 = 0.1688 BTC [+]	[18:59]
mike_c	^ heh. "rent shares rose on news that they will soon be forced to be worth 0.0075 btc"	[18:59]
asciilifeform	mike_c: if only this existed in my town (and, run by something other than scammers)	[18:59]
VanCleef	i dont know just haven't heard from them since	[19:00]
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mike_c	asciilifeform: well, no strong indications that it is run by scammers. just that they don't understand their relationship with havelock very well..	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform apparently ohio or w/e this one is has very advantageous economics for this business	[19:00]
benkay	they're crossing the wires though	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	which incidentally begs the question, why a merger with someone in a diff market ? does it benefit from equally good economics ?	[19:01]
benkay	cannot touch both fiat and crypto at once	[19:01]
asciilifeform	has very advantageous economics for this << how's that	[19:01]
VanCleef	i think he should just sell the shares for 0.008 instead	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	much of rent is predicated on its operator familiarirt with the field, that doesn't seem to translate too well across a geographic distance	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform very low land values / high rents.	[19:01]
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asciilifeform	quite the same here. and yet, i've been trying and failing to rent a house for ages.	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	its been discussed in teh at some point coupla months ago, i don't recall the specifics	[19:02]
asciilifeform	to be fair, it is a little bit from the peculiar conditions where i live. most of the rentals are geared for students, and are gigantic, divided into rooms.	[19:03]
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ThickAsThieves	HL will automatically suspend all buy orders under .0075, so all buys have to go in at .0075 //// dafuck?	[19:04]
VanCleef	woohoo	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves do they actually do this as ppl claim or not ?	[19:04]
VanCleef	buy now	[19:04]
benkay	welcome to this morning, ThickAsThieves	[19:04]
ThickAsThieves	i dont think it can be done	[19:05]
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ThickAsThieves	more likely,	[19:05]
ThickAsThieves	is the tranche will be sold through "IPO" feature	[19:05]
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ThickAsThieves	where there is no orderbook	[19:05]
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mike_c	topace said it can't, but also that he isn't involved so he doesn't know.	[19:05]
blackwhite	https://www.onename.io/	[19:05]
Mats_cd03	i think the confusion here lays with the recent depreciation of btc/usd and the capital RS actually needs to be denominated in usd	[19:05]
ThickAsThieves	now if HL shuts down normal trading during that...	[19:05]
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asciilifeform	in the u.s. in general, people with money (but not quite a 'fortune') who want to rent something nice vs. playing debt games, are a bit of an under-served market.	[19:05]
ThickAsThieves	that would effectively recreate the situation you are going for	[19:05]
ThickAsThieves	but it's a fucked up proposition	[19:06]
benkay	no shit	[19:06]
ThickAsThieves	i see no reason to disrupt the live orderbook	[19:06]
ThickAsThieves	it's listed, it's live	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i suspect that ties into my "dual currency" earlier :	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	people with money, actual money, are underserved because not part of bezzle.	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i can see some reasons...	[19:07]
ThickAsThieves	well...	[19:07]
benkay	IT'S ALL A SCAM	[19:08]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i'm paid in perfectly ordinary u.s. bezzlars	[19:08]
KRS-One	heh	[19:08]
VanCleef	3 chinese bitcoiners were executed today	[19:08]
benkay	link, VanCleef ?	[19:08]
VanCleef	jokes	[19:09]
KRS-One	lies	[19:09]
benkay	;;ticker	[19:09]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 520.06, Best ask: 526.96, Bid-ask spread: 6.90000, Last trade: 520.06, 24 hour volume: 33543.19632708, 24 hour low: 505.0, 24 hour high: 587.49, 24 hour vwap: 540.479270299	[19:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00093745 = 16.2648 BTC [+] {2}	[19:09]
VanCleef	thenext china rumor ;)	[19:09]
benkay	bitstamp's running fractional too, right?	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform sure you are, because they CLAIOM to be convertible	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	just as long as not too many are converted.	[19:09]
ThickAsThieves	didnt they do an 'audit'?	[19:09]
benkay	audit my butthole	[19:09]
benkay	;;google bitstamp audit	[19:09]
gribble	Statement regarding recent third party audit report - Bitstamp: ; Statement by Bitstamp regarding Mt Gox insolvency - Bitstamp: ; Bitstamp - buy and sell bitcoins:	[19:09]
asciilifeform	well i did say bezzlars.	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	speaking of turkeys in new york : "ground turkey meat, was $2 for 20 oz. 2.5 years ago on sale ; it's $4.50 for 20 oz. on sale now."	[19:10]
Mats_cd03	turkey: the inferior chicken	[19:10]
benkay	firestartr are some no-names, iirc ThickAsThieves	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 2.25 ** (1/30)	[19:10]
gribble	1.02739965906	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	2.8% inflation. PER MONTH	[19:10]
tg2	turkey index	[19:11]
tg2	turkeys are a... growth market	[19:11]
asciilifeform	incidentally, nothing (at least, at present time) stops an owner of XXXX bezzlars from driving to a precious metals seller and filling as many buckets as he can afford.	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform as long as he buys... paper gold.	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	ie, goldzzars.	[19:11]
Mats_cd03	i still have 2 frozen turkeys from thanksgiving	[19:11]
asciilifeform	they don't sell this in shops around here	[19:11]
asciilifeform	mostly numismatic coin	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	try taking 100k out of your savings, buying gold bricks and driving them to mexico.	[19:11]
Mats_cd03	ever deep fry a turkey? its godly	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	what was that shop that'd deep fry anything ? butter, water, icecream	[19:12]
Mats_cd03	youve piqued my curiousity	[19:12]
tg2	mmm deep fried butter	[19:12]
tg2	lol	[19:12]
tg2	#justamericanthings	[19:12]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07288954 = 0.2187 BTC [-] {2}	[19:13]
tg2	> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chxzSIAWA2g	[19:13]
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mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/	[19:13]
ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	and the 1year berkshire based btc bond just went to 3%	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	well... 2.81%	[19:14]
ThickAsThieves	it'll probly get to 30%+ i bet	[19:15]
ThickAsThieves	heh, can you make bets on bets?	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	we tried yest but it didn't stick	[19:15]
nubbins`	^	[19:15]
Mats_cd03	when i was 8 a family friend told me peanut butter was a preservative and i could live forever if i ate enough of it at once	[19:16]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Deep frying anything is more of a State Fair schtick	[19:16]
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VanCleef	could someone help me word a bet on bitbet so its allowed?	[19:16]
ThickAsThieves	one day mp will owe me a favor, and Schrodinger's BitBet will happen	[19:16]
ThickAsThieves	ok probly not	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:16]
ThickAsThieves	but i can dream	[19:16]
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Mats_cd03	the next day i woke up early and had an XL jar of skippys...i temporarily replaced blood with peanut butter for a few hours	[19:16]
VanCleef	i want to bet that Australia wont win one single group match for the fifa world cup	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	VanCleef sure, why not	[19:16]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0056271 = 0.2251 BTC [-]	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	is this tracked anywhere ?	[19:17]
VanCleef	i'm sure fifa.com keep scores on their website	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	can you list the matches ?	[19:18]
VanCleef	i can list who else is in the group	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	generally, you want the bet well specified.	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	"x y z will happen, here's the link to it measured"	[19:18]
TestingUnoDosTre	MP, I tried making a bet on 3M that was worded very similar to the berkshire one, and the mods rejected it because it was outlandish	[19:19]
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VanCleef	ahh ok	[19:19]
VanCleef	so more details teh better	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre i vaguely recall some discusison re a 3m bet a month or so ago, was this the same one ?	[19:19]
TestingUnoDosTre	yes. the bet was stated that the ratio of MMM to BTC would stay above .2 until may or something of the sort	[19:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00093774 = 10.8778 BTC [+]	[19:20]
CheckDavid	Which platform do you suggest to fund a startup?	[19:20]
TestingUnoDosTre	or at the end of may	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	did it carry ~1k btc in zeroconf ?	[19:20]
benkay	!t h rent	[19:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525030 / 0.00536113 / 0.00562740 (907 shares, 4.86254898 BTC), 7D: 0.00520970 / 0.00540361 / 0.00563480 (3139 shares, 16.96192014 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00555895 / 0.00900001 (47528 shares, 264.20559875 BTC)	[19:20]
TestingUnoDosTre	lol of course not, but the berkshire bet didn't start out with 1k btc	[19:21]
ThickAsThieves	the 3M was discussed already no need to rehash	[19:21]
ThickAsThieves	bet*	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre course it did.	[19:21]
TestingUnoDosTre	fine fine fine	[19:21]
ThickAsThieves	pull the log and read it again if you want re-experience it	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	anyway, my car is here so we'll have to continue later!	[19:21]
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TomServo	TestingUnoDosTre: Just curious, why 3M?	[19:21]
VanCleef	i thought you ony rode horses?	[19:21]
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TestingUnoDosTre	because I want to convert losses in MMM to wins in BTC	[19:22]
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TestingUnoDosTre	or theoretically be able to l)	[19:22]
TestingUnoDosTre	;)	[19:22]
TestingUnoDosTre	I may or may not have worked for the company for a couple years and amassed to much of a concentrated holding due to putting 10% of each pay check into stock options	[19:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00093514 = 8.6033 BTC [-]	[19:23]
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Mats_cd03	https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/364808300	[19:25]
ozbot	USAJOBS - Search Jobs	[19:25]
Mats_cd03	Job Title:DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE OFFICER FOR EURASIA	[19:25]
Mats_cd03	hahahaha someone in the DIA got shit-canned over ukraine	[19:25]
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Mats_cd03	most interesting thing all day	[19:26]
tg2	> $120,749.00 to $175,000.00 / Per Year	[19:26]
TestingUnoDosTre	120 to 175k. lol	[19:26]
tg2	lol	[19:26]
tg2	^	[19:26]
TestingUnoDosTre	imagine how much pressure that position is right now	[19:26]
tg2	haha	[19:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0056275 = 0.2251 BTC [+]	[19:26]
tg2	seems to me that offering a salary that pathetic to somebody in that position is either a sign of an incompetent office in the event they're looking for somebody competent, or of a smart one if they're looking for a patsy/puppet	[19:27]
tg2	likely the previous occupant was the opposite	[19:27]
asciilifeform	Job Title:DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE OFFICER FOR EASTASIA	[19:27]
tg2	"Putting the welfare of the Nation and commitment to our mission before oneself." .... for $120k.	[19:28]
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tg2	i know people who work on css all day and make more than that	[19:28]
joecool	tg2: seems legit	[19:29]
nubbins`	asciilifeform XD	[19:29]
nubbins`	salary: doubleplus good	[19:29]
kow	tg2 is a liar I met him irl he is like 300lbs, poor, and doesn't leave his apartment which is just full of stacks of old books and empty stouffers containers which he's saving for the points	[19:30]
tg2	kow, can you ;;rate me then	[19:30]
tg2	:D	[19:30]
kow	;;rate tg2 fat	[19:30]
gribble	Error: 'fat' is not a valid integer.	[19:30]
tg2	lol	[19:30]
tg2	;;ident kow	[19:31]
gribble	Nick 'kow', with hostmask 'kow!~kow@69-196-151-22.dsl.teksavvy.com', is not identified.	[19:31]
tg2	bro GPG up or else who the fuck are you anyway	[19:31]
kow	careful with that or I'll doxx u	[19:31]
TestingUnoDosTre	hahaha	[19:31]
tg2	bro sharpie up	[19:31]
tg2	bro	[19:31]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/morning-after-pills-less-effective-for-heavier-women-warning-will-say-1.2588527	[19:32]
ozbot	Morning-after pills less effective for heavier women, warning will say - Health - CBC News	[19:32]
mod6	a guy once got 1bn satoshi for that	[19:32]
joecool	!eauth joecool	[19:32]
TestingUnoDosTre	is doxxing kinda like goxxing?	[19:32]
nubbins`	interesting	[19:32]
joecool	ugh	[19:32]
the20year3	I could very well be wrong about how HL is handling it, i made the assumption (right or wrong) that they treat it as a new IPO	[19:32]
benkay	the20year3: and freeze trading on the new asset to support your new imaginary valuation?	[19:32]
nubbins`	TIL that morning-after pills don't work if you weigh more than 175lbs	[19:33]
benkay	old* asset	[19:33]
kow	tg2 I sold some BTC to a dude in mcdonalds yesterday, the guy knew NOTHING about it, didn't even know how to confirm my deposit, said he's been buying half a BTC every week. I think I met a BTC prepper.	[19:33]
tg2	kow, shouldn't you have backdoor-laced operating systems to be releasing?!	[19:33]
Mats_cd03	;;ud dox	[19:33]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dox \| Dox, or being doxed, in terms of online forum sites, is the physical equivalent of being butt-raped irl. Just as all the greats have, when a person is "doxed", ...	[19:33]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: dox	[19:33]
tg2	;;ud broscience	[19:33]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=broscience \| Broscience is the predominant brand of reasoning in bodybuilding circles where the anecdotal reports of jacked dudes are considered more credible t...	[19:33]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: broscience	[19:33]
Mats_cd03	;;ud doxxed	[19:33]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dox \| ... dox of boughnuts · doxology · Doxops · Doxosophist · doxuges · doxx · doxxed · doxy · Doxylamine · doxymoron · doy · Doya · Do Ya Bad ( DYB) · doyacht.	[19:33]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: dox	[19:33]
Mats_cd03	ud you are useless	[19:33]
kow	tg2, I've been busy and other people took over the dev :(	[19:34]
benkay	the20year3: will you be allowing existing rent stockholders to sell their shares at 0.0075 as well?	[19:34]
Mats_cd03	;;wiki doxing	[19:34]
gribble	Error: "wiki" is not a valid command.	[19:34]
tg2	doyacht	[19:34]
tg2	kow, I havce a nice project you might like	[19:34]
Mats_cd03	;;google doxing wiki	[19:34]
gribble	Doxing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Dox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Personally identifiable information - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[19:34]
tg2	alrady recuited some of your coconspirators	[19:34]
TestingUnoDosTre	;ud goxxed	[19:34]
tg2	;;ud goxxed	[19:34]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=goxxed \| Jun 26, 2011 ... goxxed. The act of being screwed by an online merchant, specifically due to the merchant being incompetent and amateurish. Derived from the ...	[19:34]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: goxxed	[19:34]
tg2	lol	[19:34]
TestingUnoDosTre	creepy	[19:34]
TestingUnoDosTre	why did it only return once?	[19:35]
Mats_cd03	http://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/the-finnish-foreign-fighter-contingent-in-syria	[19:35]
ozbot	The Finnish Foreign Fighter Contingent in Syria \| Combating Terrorism Center at West Point	[19:35]
kow	tell me more tg2	[19:35]
the20year3	THat's a good question benkay, i'll need to check into it, but I assume the answer is yes	[19:35]
Mats_cd03	who the fuck invited the finns to a civil war?	[19:35]
tg2	http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=mtgox&sign=ANY&type=RECV	[19:35]
ozbot	Rating Details for User 'mtgox'	[19:35]
tg2	this whole WOT thing is working well I see	[19:35]
the20year3	lots of syrians in Finland going back	[19:35]
Mats_cd03	i hope they canceled their life insurance policies	[19:36]
xdotcommer	;;help	[19:36]
gribble	The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/	[19:36]
tg2	yeah if I was syrian and didn't live in syria the first thing I'd do is high tail it back to syria	[19:36]
tg2	obv.	[19:36]
tg2	land of the free	[19:37]
tg2	fk this vanity gpg generator is an entropy whore	[19:37]
tg2	will otc accept a 2048b key?	[19:37]
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tg2	guessing it should	[19:37]
Mats_cd03	syria's a nice place	[19:37]
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Mats_cd03	sadly some of it is shelled to bits now	[19:38]
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tg2	syria, home of the brave.	[19:38]
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BingoBoingo	tg2: 2048 is probably the minimum reasonable size	[19:39]
TestingUnoDosTre	learning so much about soviet history from bitcoin-assets	[19:39]
tg2	I would think that it /could/ accept a 1024 key	[19:40]
tg2	but I wouldn't use one	[19:40]
TestingUnoDosTre	why not?	[19:40]
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Mats_cd03	cause hes contrarian	[19:40]
tg2	my tinfoil hat is neatly folded	[19:40]
pankkake	otc accepted my old 1024 key, so	[19:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00093671 = 15.2684 BTC [+]	[19:40]
TestingUnoDosTre	lol	[19:40]
tg2	last 1024 key I had expired some time ago	[19:40]
TestingUnoDosTre	;;ud contrarian	[19:41]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=contrarian \| contrarian. Someone who automatically tends to take the opposite point of view from the person to whom they're speaking, or to disagree with society at large ...	[19:41]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: contrarian	[19:41]
TestingUnoDosTre	awww. Was hoping for something dirtier	[19:41]
tg2	Mats_cd03, AM NOT	[19:41]
Mats_cd03	am so	[19:41]
tg2	I can't agree with that.	[19:41]
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Mats_cd03	i suppose we can disagree on disagreeing	[19:41]
tg2	and if I did, would that prove it wrong?	[19:41]
tg2	gl circular reasoning	[19:41]
the20year3	RS NAV right now is around 1,000btc	[19:41]
Mats_cd03	too many levels, im going to fall off a bridge while inside a van	[19:42]
tg2	brb sha1 1024 gpg key inbound	[19:42]
pankkake	FYI you can create stronger subkeys	[19:43]
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benkay	tg2: read moar, derp less: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110861.msg1227871#msg1227871	[19:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00093663 = 0.6556 BTC [-]	[19:45]
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benkay	keep making noise, tho 'bro'. it'll get you far.	[19:48]
TestingUnoDosTre	tell me about this subkey	[19:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00093915 = 9.5793 BTC [+] {3}	[19:49]
benkay	TestingUnoDosTre: https://alexcabal.com/creating-the-perfect-gpg-keypair/	[19:50]
pankkake	TestingUnoDosTre: https://wiki.debian.org/subkeys	[19:50]
TestingUnoDosTre	gracias	[19:50]
xdotcommer	tg2: stop derping bro	[19:50]
pankkake	and you probably already have one subkey	[19:50]
_aeon	LOUD NOISES	[19:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0056499 = 0.2542 BTC [+]	[19:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00093514 = 6.1252 BTC [-]	[19:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.00569 = 0.1707 BTC [+]	[19:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5600 @ 0.00010804 = 0.605 BTC [-] {9}	[19:55]
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xdotcommer	tg2: fall in line	[19:57]
dexX7	the20year3: could you please tell me, if issuer's funds are locked during an ipo on havelock and is it correct that buyers are unable to undercut the issuer during the ipo? are updates of any kind during an ipo allowed, e.g. a description?	[19:59]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 29 @ 0.00596 = 0.1728 BTC [+]	[20:02]
benkay	dexX7: just assume you're going to get fucked, no lube. it's the havelock way.	[20:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 371 @ 0.00599999 = 2.226 BTC [+] {2}	[20:04]
benkay	have-a-cock	[20:04]
dexX7	haha no, don't get me wrong	[20:04]
dexX7	i'm not trying to evaluate the chances of creating a scam :o	[20:04]
benkay	"someone"'s pushing rent up to the .0075 line.	[20:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 125 @ 0.006 = 0.75 BTC [+]	[20:05]
benkay	not even bothering to sell	[20:05]
benkay	what kind of kiddy bullshit is this	[20:05]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00093301 = 12.3157 BTC [-]	[20:15]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.000932 = 4.66 BTC [-] {3}	[20:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07288952 = 0.3644 BTC [-]	[20:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.0060947 = 3.0474 BTC [+] {9}	[20:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00255253 = 1.5315 BTC [-] {12}	[20:30]
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TestingUnoDosTre	okay question about gpg keys hya	[20:47]
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TestingUnoDosTre	If I created a master key with my name and email attached to it, but I want to some business anonymously. Let's just say I want to publish an anonymous blog or something. Could I generate an anonymous subkey and sign all my blog documents with the subkey, and there would be no way anyone could find my master key and therefore my name and email address?	[20:50]
benkay	TestingUnoDosTre: don't ask to ask just ask	[20:50]
TestingUnoDosTre	aka is there a link from my no-named subkey to my public key from my master?	[20:51]
nubbins`	intuition tells me yes, there is	[20:52]
nubbins`	but who knows	[20:52]
TestingUnoDosTre	perhaps a person in here?	[20:52]
benkay	if you want to decouple identities, decouple identities.	[20:52]
TestingUnoDosTre	meaning how	[20:52]
TestingUnoDosTre	just generate a different master key?	[20:52]
nubbins`	^	[20:52]
benkay	I personally would use separate master keys for different identities.	[20:52]
benkay	it'll help guard against mistakes.	[20:53]
bounce	AIUI the link goes from the master to the sub, not the other way around. but would have to dig into the protocol to figure that one out.	[20:53]
bounce	but yes, easier to not overload keys and just make a new key instead.	[20:54]
benkay	can you sign with subkeys?	[20:54]
TestingUnoDosTre	yes, I believe one can make a signing subkey	[20:54]
benkay	i'd separate concerns here.	[20:55]
benkay	if you're not comfortable with the whole master key subordinate key thing and confident that you can always do the right thing, guard against "yourself as your own worst enemy" and use separate master keys.	[20:55]
TestingUnoDosTre	I have only generated one master key at the moment though, but I think it was truly a DSA elgamel pair	[20:55]
TestingUnoDosTre	mmkay	[20:56]
bounce	the thing is of course that as soon as you publish for all to see your public master key it'll have subs that were supposed to remain sooper seekrit.	[20:56]
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TestingUnoDosTre	that is what I needed to understand	[20:58]
BingoBoingo	http://deadspin.com/this-unc-athletes-paper-is-a-joke-whos-to-blame-1552798110	[20:58]
ozbot	This UNC Athlete's Paper Is A Joke. Who's To Blame?	[20:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9098 @ 0.00093301 = 8.4885 BTC [+]	[20:59]
nubbins`	a-minus	[21:00]
nubbins`	lelelel	[21:00]
BingoBoingo	Quality 'Murican education	[21:00]
TestingUnoDosTre	can we just stop thinking that somehow athletes need to gain an education? Basketball players at UNC especially, keep some fine moneys flowing through the system	[21:01]
benkay	murka	[21:01]
benkay	murka murka jihad	[21:01]
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benkay	pretty sure that most american educations gave up on thinking a long time ago, TestingUnoDosTre	[21:01]
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benkay	god bless bootstrap.	[21:02]
nubbins`	^ it's what makes my computer work	[21:02]
benkay	there is an element i am completely failing to address for teh style override	[21:02]
benkay	lol nubbins`	[21:03]
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TestingUnoDosTre	I had some good teachers, but they were few and far between	[21:06]
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benkay	HeySteve2: did you ever sort your wallet?	[21:11]
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the20year3	dexX7: I believe issuer funds are locked from trading, but the issuer can withdraw funds for whatever business purchases they have, as long as the new proceeds meet the minimum threshold. The updates are definately recommended during any ipo/fund phase.	[21:18]
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dexX7	ah, thanks	[21:20]
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benkay	;;lasers	[21:25]
gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ pew! pew! pew!	[21:25]
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the20year3	Additionally, if there's extreme investor outrage of the 2nd round, we'll cancel it, but as of this moment i haven't seen that.	[21:27]
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dexX7	the20year3: is there a max time how long an ipo can be active and trading is disabled for buyers?	[21:27]
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the20year3	I think it's 30 days	[21:29]
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the20year3	That's what it was for the last round	[21:29]
dexX7	ty	[21:29]
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mike_c	the20year3: any comment on mp's question about the NC expansion? paraphrasing: you have advantages in ohio (namely the economics and your expertise), and how will those scale to NC?	[21:31]
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the20year3	The big barrier to entry is capital and capital management than personal experience. I know that seems odd, but if you'd talk to any REI group you'd find out that money is the #1 problem to starting out and getting good properties.	[21:38]
TestingUnoDosTre	intresting	[21:39]
the20year3	In the case of this CREI deal, they already have a solid candidate for a property, i've already reviewed the comps, documents and everything associated with the deal and feel it's a very good buy.	[21:39]
the20year3	CREI has been wholesaling (Locating properties, selling the leads to investors) for 3 years now and has had well over a dozen profitable deals for the end investors. That's a very good track record, but his problem is the same problem that i have had since 2008 - Capital. So, we can come in as RS with just a little bit of capital, offer it to them for very, very lucrative terms.	[21:40]
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the20year3	Then , the other consideraiton on my end is that we have some very large investors who want to see us work on developing these partnerships moreso than just dealing with slummy properties in central Ohio.	[21:42]
mike_c	seems like a lot of counterparty risk with those partnerships. but you obviously understand the biz more than I	[21:43]
the20year3	They certainly exist, but i think the reward potential is much higher than the risks. We've got solid properties here in Ohio, and are getting more, and i feel that if we could add higher profit potential to the mix it would benefit the fund	[21:44]
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CheckDavid	Hi. I was wondering about the solutions that exist in the cryptocurrency space regarding funding startups	[21:59]
CheckDavid	Can any one just give some lights?	[22:00]
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dexX7	hey, can you be more specific?	[22:00]
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dexX7	the20year3: sorry for all those questions. in the case you do a second ipo round, i assume trading is also locked? and: from which pool are those ipo 2 shares taken? do you define a fixed number during the asset creation and sell a partion of those in round 1 and the rest in round 2 for example?	[22:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.00230041 = 0.2208 BTC [-] {2}	[22:05]
kakobrekla	hm	[22:06]
kakobrekla	lets try this	[22:06]
kakobrekla	http://piratepad.net/or1RSxpueo	[22:06]
ozbot	PiratePad: or1RSxpueo	[22:06]
kakobrekla	fill it up?	[22:06]
kakobrekla	i dont remember who was volunteering	[22:07]
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kakobrekla	ping mircea_popescu , benkay , mike_c , everyoneelsethatiforgot	[22:08]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1963 @ 0.00221117 = 4.3405 BTC [-] {6}	[22:08]
dexX7	afaik there is no form available	[22:08]
kakobrekla	a?	[22:08]
kakobrekla	this is a multi player notepad	[22:09]
kakobrekla	you copy paste shit below.	[22:09]
the20year3	I think trading is locked dexX7, the shares are just taken from the original pool of shares that we had as part of the pseudo-PPM/Original business plan's funding goals.	[22:09]
kakobrekla	ah im talking to myself okay	[22:09]
dexX7	didn't you use the pad to send me the message "go find the submission form instead of asking"?	[22:10]
TestingUnoDosTre	seriously though. recommended reading is a book from the Duck Dynasty?	[22:10]
CheckDavid	dexX7: can got help me be more specific?	[22:10]
mike_c	good idea kako. maybe put a link on b-a.com?	[22:10]
CheckDavid	I was wondering maybe issue stock	[22:10]
CheckDavid	Or something	[22:10]
TestingUnoDosTre	gl bra	[22:10]
kakobrekla	and anal rape is a video from some production house, so what	[22:10]
benkay	why not a !sr , kakobrekla ?	[22:11]
CheckDavid	I know there several solutions	[22:11]
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dexX7	there are. mind to share your business plan?	[22:11]
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kakobrekla	mike_c i will put the curated version of the piratepad on the static b-a page	[22:12]
dexX7	the20year3: thanks again ;)	[22:12]
kakobrekla	at least thats the idea	[22:12]
mike_c	cool	[22:12]
kakobrekla	but its up to #bitcoin-assets to come up with the content	[22:13]
the20year3	np	[22:13]
dexX7	good idea re pad with info stuff	[22:15]
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CheckDavid	dexX7: a jobs board with a scheduled equity distribution plan for members	[22:15]
benkay	dafuq?	[22:16]
benkay	that's precisely what ninjashogun was prattling about.	[22:16]
CheckDavid	Yes	[22:16]
CheckDavid	He is my partner	[22:16]
CheckDavid	It's his idea originally	[22:17]
benkay	;;gettrust CheckDavid	[22:17]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user CheckDavid: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=CheckDavid \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CheckDavid \| Rated since: never	[22:17]
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benkay	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135834.msg1447083#msg1447083	[22:18]
ozbot	[MPEx] S.BBET BitBet IPO an astounding success	[22:18]
benkay	"Spoiler: It's not going to beat betsofbitco.in"	[22:18]
dexX7	well anyway. basically there are cryptostocks.com, havelockinvestments.com and mpex.co. if you want to scam, go to cs, if you want to reach the regular bitcointalk and reddit user, use havelock. mpex is most likely out of your reach.	[22:18]
CheckDavid	benkay: I am not trading. So I guess I don't need to be verified?	[22:19]
benkay	i guess you miss the point.	[22:19]
CheckDavid	Lol I don't want to scam :)	[22:19]
CheckDavid	Oh sorry benkay . could you please explain the point?	[22:20]
xdotcomm_	CheckDavid: fall in line	[22:20]
CheckDavid	dexX7: I heard crypto stocks was scamish	[22:21]
CheckDavid	BingoBoingo: said that I think	[22:21]
benkay	CheckDavid: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110861.msg1227871#msg1227871	[22:21]
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dexX7	CheckDavid: the point benkay is trying to make: don't ask for money, if you have no reputation nor the willingness to be "verified"	[22:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.000932 = 27.4008 BTC [-] {2}	[22:22]
CheckDavid	I see benkay . Thanks	[22:23]
CheckDavid	I didn't ask for money	[22:23]
CheckDavid	I asked for advice though	[22:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.0020387 = 1.0194 BTC [-] {5}	[22:23]
CheckDavid	And good advice is as good as money..	[22:23]
CheckDavid	So OK :)	[22:23]
dexX7	hehe	[22:23]
dexX7	wasn't meant this way	[22:24]
dexX7	but "asking for money" is implied by "i want to start a business and therefore i ask about exchanges"	[22:24]
CheckDavid	Moniz pliz guy tnx	[22:24]
benkay	you're investigating listing a stock of some sort, right?	[22:24]
CheckDavid	Gime moniz	[22:24]
CheckDavid	Lol	[22:24]
CheckDavid	benkay: considering options	[22:24]
BingoBoingo	CheckDavid: At some point the kind's of advice you seek might... Imply intentions about how you might use that advice...	[22:24]
CheckDavid	And yes could include that	[22:24]
benkay	there are all the scam hosters over there that don't require identity or anything, allowing companies like CaVirtEx to walk off with customer funds and Rentalstarter to arbitrarily halt trading so they can sell their inflated stock at some imaginary value.	[22:25]
CheckDavid	BingoBoingo: yes. So what?	[22:25]
CheckDavid	BingoBoingo: humans ate always verifying intentions :)	[22:25]
benkay	on the other hand, there's the harder and tougher path to accredidation with people not engaged in fucking people as a matter of habit in -assets.	[22:25]
CheckDavid	I see.	[22:26]
dexX7	benkay: do you think there shouldn't be a trading freeze during a funding round?	[22:26]
CheckDavid	You didn't mention when exchanges themselves run away	[22:26]
benkay	in what sane world does this make sense	[22:26]
benkay	dexX7:	[22:26]
benkay	either their paper is worth what the market will pay for it or its not	[22:26]
BingoBoingo	CheckDavid: Well these things are going to color people's reactions. Instead of getting reactively defensive note people's concerns and think about how you can correct things in the future when you want to actually do the thing you solicit advice for, if you make it too that stage.	[22:26]
benkay	if it were really worth .0075 the price would reflect that.	[22:26]
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CheckDavid	BingoBoingo: *to	[22:27]
CheckDavid	Haha lol	[22:27]
benkay	and previous shareholders should get to sell at .0075 as well.	[22:27]
CheckDavid	OK. Just messing. Well. Good advice BingoBoingo	[22:27]
CheckDavid	I an not trying to convince anyone of any business at the moment though	[22:28]
CheckDavid	I feel a bit far away from that point at the moment	[22:28]
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benkay	dexX7: does this make sense?	[22:28]
CheckDavid	Ok so dexX7. Your suggestion is basically to consider a number of exchanges right?	[22:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00199999 = 0.114 BTC [-]	[22:30]
dexX7	benkay: what about the case that one puts up a buy wall lower than the ipo price and then undercuts the issuer? i guess that would be a reflection of "not enough buyer"?	[22:33]
benkay	supply and demand must agree on a price.	[22:34]
benkay	the havelock approach is to fix a price and wait for the suckers to come by.	[22:34]
dexX7	CheckDavid: well, no. i assumed your question was "where can i issue a stock?" and thus my answer, but maybe you should rephrase your initial question once again.	[22:34]
dexX7	yup true	[22:34]
CheckDavid	dexX7: I am just looking for funding solutions in general. Being issuing and selling stock one of the potential solutions	[22:35]
benkay	they're compounding this fraud by suspending the hallowed process of price discovery to entice another round of suckers into their finger-trap.	[22:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00190001 = 0.152 BTC [-]	[22:35]
benkay	at a hilariously higher price, i might point out.	[22:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.60333366 = 1.81 BTC [-] {2}	[22:36]
dexX7	the following case is not possible: say everyone wants to sell, but i'm still willing to give the issuer my coins for whatever reason. non-freezed trading doesn't allow this	[22:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 114 @ 0.00190001 = 0.2166 BTC [-]	[22:37]
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Mats_cd03	add some more material to the reading list	[22:37]
benkay	that's an irrational move, dexX7. why not just buy the shares on the open market?	[22:38]
the20year3	How much is a stock worth?	[22:38]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 450 @ 0.00229999 = 1.035 BTC [+] {2}	[22:38]
the20year3	The problem is the value most of the time is arbitrary, especially with bitcoin stocks as the bulk of the value is just speculation based on whatever positive/negative news is coming out about the company	[22:38]
dexX7	benkay: in this case my intention would not be to buy shares but to provide funds for the issuer	[22:39]
the20year3	In our case, with the decrease of BTC:USD, the BTC value of our company goes up, because the vast majority of our assets are denominated in USD, but the BTC price doesn't accurately reflect it because the trades for the most part just trend on news	[22:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.00609698 = 0.2927 BTC [-]	[22:39]
benkay	dexX7: so send your money directly to the guy - who cares?	[22:40]
benkay	the point is that he's allowed to sell more shares in his company at above market prices when nobody else is.	[22:40]
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dexX7	i competely get your point and i agree, i'm just thinking about potential reasons	[22:41]
benkay	so throw your money directly to the guy like you did with Gox.	[22:41]
benkay	the20year3: this is the painful part of touching both rails at the same time.	[22:41]
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benkay	nobody knows how to value anything in BTC alone, much less mixed-assets.	[22:42]
benkay	plus, your investors are a bunch of trend-traders.	[22:42]
the20year3	Depends on which investors you're talking about	[22:42]
benkay	havelock, duh.	[22:42]
the20year3	The guys that have given me near $100k? I don't see them trading around stock	[22:42]
xdotcomm_	benkay: how come exchanges /etc are not using this https://gpgauth.org/	[22:42]
benkay	xdotcomm_: are you familiar with MPEx?	[22:43]
xdotcomm_	benkay: just recently saw it	[22:43]
benkay	k there's your answer.	[22:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 30 @ 0.01600003 = 0.48 BTC [-] {4}	[22:43]
benkay	the20year3: either your investors are trading on news or they're not trading around	[22:44]
benkay	pick one	[22:44]
the20year3	The bulk are not trading at all	[22:44]
xdotcomm_	benkay: its the only one?	[22:44]
benkay	yup. everyone else uses phones.	[22:44]
the20year3	the stock price that is moving around is being moved by guys who own a few hundred shares and have half a btc in the exchange	[22:45]
benkay	!t h rent	[22:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525030 / 0.00560944 / 0.00600000 (1644 shares, 9.22192017 BTC), 7D: 0.00520970 / 0.00550083 / 0.00600000 (3875 shares, 21.31571263 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00556457 / 0.00900001 (48129 shares, 267.81696994 BTC)	[22:45]
benkay	;;calc 48129/300	[22:46]
gribble	160.43	[22:46]
benkay	lotsa minnows	[22:46]
mike_c	jurov uses bitcoin address signed messages for 2fa	[22:46]
benkay	tough problem to have	[22:46]
the20year3	half of the share volume in the past week has been in the past 8 hours since our announcement, if you look at periods prior to that volume, there's almsot none	[22:46]
benkay	doesn't really excuse malfeasance.	[22:47]
CheckDavid	Could issuing coins be a good business funding solution?	[22:47]
the20year3	So, what am I doing that's illegal?	[22:47]
benkay	illegal?	[22:47]
benkay	this is bitcoin.	[22:47]
benkay	there are no rules.	[22:47]
the20year3	What am I doing that screws shareholders?	[22:47]
benkay	not allowing them to sell at the same price you are.	[22:48]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 124 @ 0.002 = 0.248 BTC [-] {3}	[22:48]
benkay	eyo princessnell	[22:49]
benkay	bring your army?	[22:49]
the20year3	If enough of our shareholders complain about the choice, i'll change it, ask havelock to change it , or not do the 2nd round, but as of this time, the shareholders I've talked to are fine with it	[22:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05489999 = 0.1647 BTC [+] {2}	[22:49]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4956 @ 0.00180914 = 8.9661 BTC [-] {14}	[22:59]
cazalla	can anyone recommend a reputable site for sporting results that can be used for bitbet outcomes? I'm thinking FIFA.com isn't ideal atm as there as the site will likely change once the world cup starts	[22:59]
mike_c	espn.com?	[23:00]
cazalla	maybe but it's not a win/loss prop, got knocked back first time because clearly need confirmed stats from some source	[23:02]
mike_c	i thought it was that they wouldn't win a game	[23:03]
mike_c	they=australia	[23:03]
cazalla	no, that's not mine	[23:03]
cazalla	concede no goals is mine	[23:03]
tg2	https://github.com/mandb/vanity_gpg	[23:03]
mike_c	geez, how many futbol bets we got going here :)	[23:03]
cazalla	found a source on fifa.com, it should do	[23:04]
mike_c	http://espnfc.com/round/_/groupId/2/league/fifa.world/seasonType/1/?cc=5901	[23:04]
ozbot	FIFA World Cup Group B Tables & Results - 2014 - ESPN FC	[23:04]
cazalla	http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/standings/index.html	[23:04]
cazalla	GA	[23:04]
mike_c	that looks pretty official to me.	[23:04]
mike_c	(the fifa one)	[23:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00093337 = 23.9876 BTC [+] {5}	[23:06]
benkay	hey look what princessnell found: http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/19354/1/reddit-says-bitcoin-branded-logo-ecstasy-pills-sold-in-europe	[23:07]
pankkake	tg2: fun. did you check you were not entropy starved for your performance stats?	[23:07]
tg2	check 'er out	[23:07]
tg2	that random num spam	[23:07]
tg2	provides enough entropy to get by	[23:07]
tg2	but its only as good as perl's rand generator I suppose	[23:07]
tg2	i should have chosen a random amount of random numbers to generate :)	[23:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04799989 = 0.24 BTC [+] {2}	[23:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07288952 = 0.3644 BTC [+]	[23:09]
pankkake	your script is using gpg to generate keys, not perl	[23:09]
tg2	it is using perl to generate entropy	[23:09]
tg2	via rand()	[23:09]
Apocalyptic	such entropy	[23:09]
tg2	so much	[23:09]
tg2	well i guess i /could/ make it so you had to sit there mashing your keyboard all day :D	[23:09]
tg2	i'll accept that patch if you want :D	[23:09]
cazalla	mike_c: I don't know who made the Australian bet, any other aussies here that you know of?	[23:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 6000 @ 0.00181047 = 10.8628 BTC [+] {6}	[23:10]
tg2	I will try it on my 48 core system	[23:10]
tg2	see how many 4096's i can do per second	[23:10]
tg2	maybe 1-2	[23:10]
mike_c	vague recollection that herbisjustleoids is there, but not sure	[23:10]
pankkake	I don't understand what that rand() is supposed to do	[23:10]
tg2	it generates 1000 rand numbers, which /should/ be polling /dev/urandom	[23:10]
tg2	which should be causing it to move seed	[23:11]
tg2	I'll welcome some patches, this was the first perl script i've worked on	[23:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.0018 = 1.8 BTC [-]	[23:11]
Apocalyptic	tg2, you're just exhausting the entropy pool then	[23:11]
tg2	i tried many things	[23:11]
Apocalyptic	which should be causing it to move seed // dafuq	[23:11]
Apocalyptic	seriously you should leave that to gpg	[23:11]
tg2	none seemed to have an impact and gpg never complaind about lack of entropy	[23:11]
Apocalyptic	you have no idea of what you're doing	[23:11]
pankkake	yué	[23:12]
pankkake	yup	[23:12]
tg2	if you don't have "Not enough random bytes available. "	[23:12]
tg2	then you have sufficient entropy for gpg to operate	[23:12]
tg2	and at 5 keys/s, entropy generation is not the limitation	[23:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.60133613 = 9.02 BTC [-] {6}	[23:13]
pankkake	your calls to rand() are either useless or harmful. gpg does its own thing	[23:14]
benkay	hue hue hue hue hue	[23:14]
Apocalyptic	there are harmful	[23:14]
Apocalyptic	you're just depleting the entropy pool for no use	[23:14]
Apocalyptic	so gpg has to wait longer	[23:15]
pankkake	don't know how rand() works, maybe it polls /dev/*random only once and then it's a PRNG	[23:15]
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Apocalyptic	maybe	[23:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00199985 = 0.178 BTC [+] {2}	[23:16]
pankkake	anyway, my question was about /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail - if it's low then fixing that will make higher quality gpg keys faster	[23:17]
mike_c	cazalla: it was VanCleef. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2014#586886	[23:17]
tg2	don't intel chips use hardware source?	[23:17]
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tg2	(not implying that is secure)	[23:18]
pankkake	and as a rule, don't touch crypto stuff you don't understand, you'll shoot yourself in the foot	[23:18]
tg2	newer xeons use it I think	[23:18]
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pankkake	some do, yes, not sure if it's enabled by default	[23:18]
cazalla	mike_c: it's pretty much a given australia won't win a match heh	[23:18]
deadweasel	http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/27/experts-found-that-mt-gox-lost-a-mere-386-bitcoin-due-to-transaction-malleability/	[23:18]
ozbot	Experts Found That Mt.Gox Lost A Mere 386 Bitcoin Due To Transaction Malleability \| TechCrunch	[23:18]
deadweasel	look at the picture!	[23:18]
pankkake	or if you need an userspace deamon	[23:18]
bounce	how to consult the public while clearly not listening: http://trade.ec.europa.eu/consultations/index.cfm?consul_id=179	[23:18]
deadweasel	why would anybody consult the public?	[23:19]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[23:19]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 511.43, Best ask: 512.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.56000, Last trade: 510.17, 24 hour volume: 37872.34545917, 24 hour low: 505.0, 24 hour high: 584.69, 24 hour vwap: 536.173526093	[23:19]
thestringpuller	!ticker m s.mpoe	[23:19]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0009313 / 0.00094053 / 0.00095121 (1204898 shares, 1,133.25 BTC), 7D: 0.00082011 / 0.00093525 / 0.00096 (5510694 shares, 5,153.88 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00086117 / 0.00096 (30557131 shares, 26,315.16 BTC)	[23:19]
tg2	> Found 292 keys so far, running for 10.0s (Rate:29.1/s)	[23:19]
punkman1	deadweasel: judging by the title, they barely read the paper	[23:20]
bounce	no wonder, since it is about the investor / state dispute settlement ("allow corps to squeeze backward governments") in yet another american trade agreement, this time with europe	[23:20]
tg2	using rngtools though	[23:20]
tg2	> /usr/sbin/rngd -r /dev/urandom	[23:20]
pankkake	well then, you were entropy starved	[23:20]
pankkake	try haveged, too	[23:20]
deadweasel	punkman1: i didn't read either, i just lol'ed at conjured currency.	[23:20]
tg2	this is on another system	[23:20]
tg2	the intel system seems fine without that crutch	[23:21]
deadweasel	oh man, i'm hungry, gonna make some entropy.	[23:21]
tg2	dat rng	[23:21]
benkay	making some hash today	[23:21]
deadweasel	put some entropy in that shit	[23:21]
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deadweasel	benkay, got half a grocery bag of trim here if you want to add it in.	[23:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35363 @ 0.0009325 = 32.976 BTC [-] {3}	[23:23]
Mats_cd03	benkay: ever tried making oil?	[23:23]
benkay	i think i want all those discarded keys tg2's dropping on the floor	[23:23]
benkay	hah you druggies!	[23:23]
deadweasel	it's medicinal	[23:24]
Mats_cd03	what are drugs?	[23:24]
benkay	i'm talking about salmon hash, corned beef hash, crypto hash	[23:24]
deadweasel	says so here on my doctors rec.	[23:24]
tg2	4096-bit on a 48 core system: Found 73 keys so far, running for 30.0s (Rate:2.4/s)	[23:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15231 @ 0.00093086 = 14.1779 BTC [-] {2}	[23:24]
benkay	i want to put tg2's discarded keys into this hash i'm working on	[23:24]
tg2	i put them in your /dev/urandom	[23:24]
tg2	you can just retrieve them from there	[23:24]
benkay	radical dudebro	[23:24]
tg2	brb moving my mouse around for hours	[23:25]
benkay	hue	[23:25]
benkay	modern computer	[23:25]
benkay	no rng	[23:25]
tg2	Found 317 keys so far, running for 110.1s (Rate:2.9/s)	[23:25]
benkay	that'd make some nice hash, tg2	[23:25]
tg2	~250kh/s	[23:26]
tg2	on scrypt	[23:26]
tg2	pretty pathetic	[23:26]
tg2	but it does as well as an R9 280x on X11 coins	[23:26]
CheckDavid	What do you think about issuing a coin as a way of funding for a business?	[23:26]
benkay	;;google trilema colored coins	[23:26]
gribble	Why I nixed p2p, colored coins and all that jazz pe Trilema - Un blog ...: ; The dork of the month award. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Women Behind Bars pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.:	[23:26]
benkay	women behind bars you say?	[23:27]
CheckDavid	benkay: is that related to what I said benkay ?	[23:27]
Duffer1	CheckDavid it would end in disaster	[23:27]
CheckDavid	Duffer1: why?	[23:27]
Duffer1	you could visit any alt coin exchange to see the inevitable, and guaranteed, fate of all alt coins that have come before	[23:28]
Mats_cd03	its kind of like issuing dave and busters tokens	[23:28]
Mats_cd03	except your business isnt nearly as cool	[23:28]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00199983 = 0.5999 BTC [+] {7}	[23:29]
Duffer1	checkdavid that would be like a kickstarter project sending out toilet paper instead of gadgets or equity	[23:29]
CheckDavid	Duffer1: the coins should have some utility for the life of the business	[23:29]
CheckDavid	Or so I think	[23:30]
pankkake	but it's cryptoilet paper!	[23:30]
CheckDavid	Duffer1: sorry of yes. Except it's digital toilet paper	[23:30]
CheckDavid	*certainly	[23:31]
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tg2	https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/CalmTom/crap-away-launching-a-fun-and-truthful-toilet-pape?ref=live	[23:32]
tg2	lol	[23:32]
ozbot	Crap Away - Launching A Fun & Truthful Toilet Paper Brand by Tom Nardone — Kickstarter	[23:32]
Duffer1	are you thinking of an alt coin or colored coin?	[23:32]
tg2	> implying	[23:32]
CheckDavid	Duffer1: not sure about the terms. But I assumed colored	[23:33]
CheckDavid	No alt chains	[23:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 440 @ 0.000861 = 0.3788 BTC [-]	[23:33]
benkay	;;gettrust thestringpuller	[23:33]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user benkay to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=thestringpuller \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thestringpuller \| Rated since: Mon Oct 15 18:46:37 2012	[23:33]
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Duffer1	checkdavid ah sorry i assumed alt coin, i couldn't say if colored would work or not	[23:34]
benkay	;;gpg eauth benkay	[23:36]
gribble	Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@c-71-237-213-89.hsd1.or.comcast.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/39F274AFBC7ACAC7	[23:36]
benkay	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:7da124b7be1a63529a28570b4f9af14cb7a3bc1114d6419b8788425f	[23:36]
benkay		[23:36]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7	[23:36]
CheckDavid	I would like to distribute equity among the members of my website	[23:36]
benkay	;;rate thestringpuller 1 not likely to mess your day up	[23:36]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user thestringpuller has been recorded.	[23:36]
thestringpuller	interesting...WoT needs more devs	[23:36]
benkay	what needs deving?	[23:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00093381 = 10.5987 BTC [+]	[23:37]
benkay	it's all php, right up your ======== alley	[23:37]
benkay	HEYO	[23:38]
thestringpuller	https://github.com/nanotube/supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/pulls	[23:38]
thestringpuller	there are 8 month old pull request	[23:38]
thestringpuller	s	[23:38]
thestringpuller	CheckDavid: right a gpg contract, pay out divs to a btc address provided by members. not hard :P	[23:39]
thestringpuller	write*	[23:39]
thestringpuller	ugh	[23:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 391 @ 0.00199998 = 0.782 BTC [-] {4}	[23:39]
Duffer1	thestringpuller I believe he's looking for funding, like IPOing with colored coin	[23:40]
CheckDavid	thestringpuller: provided by members? What about when coins are transferred?	[23:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4777 @ 0.001806 = 8.6273 BTC [-] {9}	[23:40]
thestringpuller	you mean equity is transferred?	[23:41]
CheckDavid	thestringpuller: that was e initial idea	[23:41]
benkay	1 gpg-signed email is all that'd take	[23:41]
CheckDavid	But then I was suggested not to give any equity	[23:41]
benkay	"please send divs previously associated with 1fuckmylife to 1fuckhislife"	[23:41]
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CheckDavid	And just award a coin	[23:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05539999 = 0.1108 BTC [+]	[23:41]
thestringpuller	the members can trade equity as they see fit amongst themselves...	[23:41]
thestringpuller	there is no need to have a public offering...	[23:41]
benkay	the public offering is required to get the hype machine going so that the 'ipo' pulls in as many coins as possible	[23:42]
CheckDavid	You saying something unrelated note	[23:42]
CheckDavid	*now	[23:42]
CheckDavid	What are you talking about?	[23:42]
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thestringpuller	not at all, you 1) want to pay out profits from your website to members	[23:42]
thestringpuller	to do 1) you do 2) get signed gpg contract from members with btc address	[23:43]
thestringpuller	you do 3) set up bot to pay to addresses	[23:43]
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thestringpuller	4) notify your accountant	[23:43]
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thestringpuller	not hard...	[23:43]
CheckDavid	I don't know the format of such a contract	[23:43]
benkay	you get to make it	[23:44]
benkay	how cool!	[23:44]
thestringpuller	;;google site: trilema.com gpg contracts	[23:44]
gribble	GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Voluntary contracts, after a while. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; Some basic discussion of Bitcoin macroeconomy pe Trilema - Un ...:	[23:44]
thestringpuller	Look there you go.	[23:44]
CheckDavid	But why do you call them members?	[23:44]
thestringpuller	You called them members!	[23:44]
CheckDavid	What about non members that acquire the coin?	[23:44]
CheckDavid	Members are one thing. Then the com can be exchanged off site	[23:45]
CheckDavid	Com = coin	[23:45]
CheckDavid	Damn auto correct	[23:45]
thestringpuller	so then non related person sends you the issuer a gpg signed email from both the original shareholder and themselves signifying an exchange	[23:45]
thestringpuller	you go to your bot	[23:46]
thestringpuller	change address for where shit is paid	[23:46]
CheckDavid	I see.	[23:46]
thestringpuller	move on your way	[23:46]
thestringpuller	...	[23:46]
thestringpuller	Hasn't this been discussed? benkay am I going crazy?	[23:46]
CheckDavid	I don't think one needs the original shareholder signature	[23:46]
benkay	nigga u insane	[23:46]
CheckDavid	I just need to know who the current owner is	[23:47]
benkay	yes you do, CheckDavid otherwise arbitrary entities can transfer shares arbitrarily.	[23:47]
benkay	well, most recent owner right?	[23:47]
thestringpuller	hey better yet! have them sign the email with a btc address	[23:47]
benkay	no no no no no no	[23:47]
benkay	no signing things with btc addresses	[23:47]
benkay	btc is btc	[23:47]
benkay	gpg is gpg	[23:47]
benkay	twain etc	[23:47]
CheckDavid	Looks hard to push something like this into production	[23:48]
benkay	yeah you should do colored coins instead	[23:48]
benkay	far easier	[23:48]
Duffer1	is there a colored coin system even out yet?	[23:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00093042 = 19.6319 BTC [-] {2}	[23:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.60000001 = 3 BTC [-]	[23:48]
thestringpuller	Yea there is a prototype I think in this one OT client.	[23:49]
thestringpuller	Open Transactions.	[23:49]
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thestringpuller	But it's far easier to trade OTC stuff...you know here...on IRC...over the counter...	[23:50]
thestringpuller	ugh	[23:50]
thestringpuller	I didn't realize how dumb colored coins sounded until very recently...	[23:50]
thestringpuller	People will just end up using it to mark bitcoins during stings on drug deals or trace laundered money.	[23:50]
mike_c	http://www.loper-os.org/?p=988	[23:51]
ozbot	Loper OS » Shitcoin: a Modest Proposal.	[23:51]
CheckDavid	benkay: instead of what?	[23:51]
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thestringpuller	you guise	[23:52]
thestringpuller	i want to pay out dividends	[23:52]
thestringpuller	instead of reinvesting the money in better assets	[23:52]
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CheckDavid	thestringpuller: is that to me? :)	[23:53]
CheckDavid	A critique?	[23:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 261 @ 0.00084201 = 0.2198 BTC [-] {2}	[23:53]
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benkay	thing about shitcoin is that one doesn't get to select the coins received	[23:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 80 @ 0.006 = 0.48 BTC [+] {2}	[23:54]
thestringpuller	CheckDavid: ThickAsThieves has auto divident paying mechanisms in place. I know several people pay dividends directly to bitcoins. If you're generating a profit and want to distribute it accordingly, you could do so even manually.	[23:55]
tg2	if it's not 75% premined	[23:55]
thestringpuller	it's not really that hard.	[23:55]
tg2	its better than half the coins	[23:55]
thestringpuller	directly to bitcoin addresses*	[23:55]
CheckDavid	thestringpuller: I know. But one had to account for the possibility of coins being exchanged	[23:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.00600518 = 0.1321 BTC [+] {2}	[23:57]
CheckDavid	That ads something else to worry about	[23:57]
benkay	CheckDavid: we've explained how to handle that.	[23:57]
CheckDavid	Ok then forget dividends	[23:57]
CheckDavid	What of the coins award no dividends?	[23:57]
ThickAsThieves	CheckDavid: ThickAsThieves has auto divident paying mechanisms in place. /// uhh what?	[23:58]
benkay	wat	[23:58]
CheckDavid	How could their value still be correlated with the business performance?	[23:58]
ThickAsThieves	i got no auto nuthin	[23:58]
benkay	CheckDavid: that's the magic of owning shares in a business.	[23:58]
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ThickAsThieves	they are dividenDs btw	[23:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00609698 = 0.2805 BTC [-]	[23:59]
CheckDavid	benkay: what exactly is that magic?	[23:59]
benkay	a share represents a slice of a company.	[23:59]
benkay	if that company has value, the share has a slice of the value.	[23:59]
CheckDavid	Yes. But imagine the coins are not tied to equity.	[23:59]
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jborkl	I didn't know JohnK did a runner with over 1000 coins?	[23:59]
benkay	why? magic. trust in the issuer.	[23:59]
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