Forum logs for 27 Feb 2013
Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
thestringpuller | !ticker h HIM | [00:08] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 15.90000000 / 16.815 / 18.00000000 (10 shares, 168.15000000 BTC), 7D: 14.91990000 / 16.12499375 / 18.00000000 (16 shares, 257.99990000 BTC), 30D: 12.12000000 / 14.46514286 / 18.00000000 (49 shares, 708.79200000 BTC) | [00:08] |
thestringpuller | hmm | [00:08] |
jurov | big brother's watching: http://otc.armed.us/otc | [00:11] |
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jurov | http://otc.armed.us/otc/?mircea_popescu lol he got kicked repeatedly | [00:11] |
dub | midnightmagic: I didn't realise canada was a federation | [00:11] |
Lyspooner | he was kicked thrice | [00:13] |
jurov | and the PREV_NICK: entries are lulzy | [00:13] |
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Bowjob | wee | [00:26] |
ThickAsThieves | http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/26/4031938/new-crowdfunding-platforms-let-you-sell-stock-in-yourself | [00:28] |
Bowjob | hey im a bitcoiner, invest in me | [00:30] |
Bowjob | lol | [00:30] |
jurov | "OptionsCover":[{"":{"MPSIC":"O.BTCUSD.C160T", "Quantity":"1", "TotalSum":"100000000"}}, | [00:32] |
jurov | {"":{"MPSIC":"O.BTCUSD.P160T", "Quantity":"1", "TotalSum":"100000000"}}, | [00:32] |
jurov | ^ now that's a lulzy format | [00:32] |
Bowjob | if bfl will ship march 9th... then | [00:33] |
Bowjob | it will pretty much match avalon 2's shipment date | [00:33] |
dub | do the avalons work? | [00:33] |
jurov | i'm concerned only about difficulty increas, that shoudl happen around March 14... and it won't be affected much | [00:34] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.683 = 5.464 BTC [+] | [00:35] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.6839 = 3.4195 BTC [+] | [00:35] |
Bowjob | the ones we've seen works, yea | [00:35] |
dub | more than 2 or 3? | [00:36] |
Bowjob | yes | [00:36] |
Bowjob | in china at least | [00:36] |
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Bowjob | 2 in NA, at lease 3 in china, and the rest are being hush hush | [00:36] |
dub | so 2 | [00:37] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.683 = 5.464 BTC [-] | [00:37] |
dub | hardly confidence inspiring | [00:38] |
kakobrekla | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=147139.msg1562492#msg1562492 | [00:45] |
kakobrekla | lulz | [00:45] |
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Bugpowdr | wow | [00:46] |
Bugpowdr | i would be surprised if it really was down perm | [00:46] |
Bugpowdr | it's been around for a long time | [00:46] |
Bugpowdr | luckily no coins pending on it | [00:46] |
Bowjob | mhm.. sucks for those with 2-3 year bets | [00:47] |
Bowjob | lol | [00:47] |
Bugpowdr | A strong argument against betting on an even that is more than a few months out | [00:47] |
kakobrekla | i never saw a bet worth registering for | [00:47] |
Bugpowdr | exactly Bowjob | [00:47] |
kakobrekla | on that site | [00:47] |
Bugpowdr | I liked the SHA-3 bets | [00:47] |
Bugpowdr | easy money | [00:47] |
Bugpowdr | someone bet emotionally on them | [00:47] |
kakobrekla | what were they? | [00:47] |
Bowjob | "Server is down for maintenance. We'll be back in a couple of hours." | [00:48] |
Bowjob | there we go | [00:48] |
Bugpowdr | Which hash will become sha-3 | [00:48] |
Bugpowdr | someone bet like 50BTC on one | [00:48] |
kakobrekla | huh | [00:48] |
Bugpowdr | and quite a bit against on several others | [00:48] |
Bugpowdr | So I just bet against the pro one and for all the others | [00:48] |
Bugpowdr | was not disappoint with the results | [00:49] |
kakobrekla | :) | [00:49] |
Bugpowdr | Also the Ron Paul bets were awesome | [00:49] |
Bugpowdr | betting against paultards | [00:49] |
Bugpowdr | Ron Paul to become president. Yeah I'll bet 50BTC against that and take your money thank you | [00:49] |
kakobrekla | lol | [00:50] |
error4733 | who's next president ? | [00:51] |
error4733 | *next candidate | [00:51] |
dub | sarah palin | [00:51] |
error4733 | +1 | [00:51] |
dub | probably Hu Jintao tbh | [00:52] |
error4733 | the real face of amurica | [00:52] |
jurov | maybe if they had a bet about betofbitco.in ceases operation in 2013....oh nvm | [00:53] |
Lyspooner | we'll say the same thing about mpex one day | [00:53] |
error4733 | nice toshop job ! Hu Jintao at the oval office | [00:53] |
dub | jurov: to bitbet! | [00:54] |
Lyspooner | "remember when you could buy shares of mpoe on mpex? boy was that stupid" | [00:54] |
Bowjob | I wanted to see an apocalypse bet | [00:54] |
jurov | what to bitbet? should we put that bet on bitbet? | [00:54] |
jurov | yea.. and i was ..like.. a broker, hahahaha | [00:54] |
Lyspooner | boy was that jurov guy stupid | [00:55] |
Lyspooner | :) | [00:55] |
jurov | even if it crashed tomorrow i can say i was living 2 months off it | [00:55] |
jurov | not bad, don't you tihnk? | [00:56] |
kakobrekla | im worse | [00:56] |
kakobrekla | 1year+ | [00:56] |
jurov | so, you're even more stupid then :D | [00:56] |
kakobrekla | yes | [00:56] |
kakobrekla | total retard. | [00:56] |
jurov | *highfive* | [00:57] |
kakobrekla | im so stupid i dunno how to do dat | [00:57] |
jurov | *kakobrekla tries and misses | [00:57] |
kakobrekla | darn | [00:57] |
kakobrekla | better go practice | [00:57] |
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Namworld_afk | living off of what? | [00:58] |
kakobrekla | coins | [00:58] |
jurov | coinbr+mpex daytrading | [00:58] |
jurov | +bitfunder shenanigans | [00:58] |
Namworld_afk | oh... what's wrong with that? | [00:59] |
Bugpowdr | eating the seed corn | [00:59] |
kakobrekla | i bought a car with em with btc was liek 5 euro | [00:59] |
Bugpowdr | of the financial revolution | [00:59] |
kakobrekla | prolly im as dumb as 10k pizza guy | [00:59] |
Bugpowdr | this is the main problem with plan Tesla | [00:59] |
Lyspooner | dude was not dumb, he got a pizza | [00:59] |
Bugpowdr | I want to like sell maybe 10% of my coins for a Tesla. | [01:00] |
Lyspooner | he helped kickstart a revolution, he got a pizza and he didn't have to kill anyone | [01:00] |
Bugpowdr | Which is going to take quite a bit more rise in value | [01:00] |
kakobrekla | he helped himself get poor | [01:00] |
kakobrekla | thats the only thing he did | [01:00] |
jurov | since revolutions tend to eat its children... better eat the seeds. | [01:01] |
Bugpowdr | How many coins did he still have after the pizza? | [01:01] |
Lyspooner | at least 50k | [01:01] |
kakobrekla | depends if he did reorder | [01:01] |
Bugpowdr | I think he is doing ok | [01:01] |
Bugpowdr | the guy that sold the pizza though... He is the true visionary | [01:01] |
Lyspooner | papa john's sold the pizza | [01:02] |
Lyspooner | they are ok | [01:02] |
Lyspooner | and he did reorder | [01:03] |
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kakobrekla | heheh | [01:06] |
kakobrekla | 50k? | [01:06] |
kakobrekla | thats a number pulled out of ur ass or? | [01:06] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.6829 = 1.3658 BTC [-] | [01:08] |
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Bowjob | ;;ticker | [01:12] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.17999, Best ask: 31.18000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 31.17999, 24 hour volume: 42869.02144537, 24 hour low: 30.11110, 24 hour high: 31.69900, 24 hour vwap: 30.99536 | [01:12] |
Bowjob | crash! | [01:12] |
jurov | interesting, CoinBr.iDiff-E (expires April 17) sells quite well for 0.095 ... asics hope dies last, seems. | [01:13] |
error4733 | no, from the screenshoot of the guy wallet when he send the 10k | [01:14] |
kakobrekla | i dont think there will be any majorish price increase until there is majorish difficulty increase | [01:14] |
kakobrekla | meaning some one else has to deliver | [01:14] |
kakobrekla | http://smpake.com/etc/btc/charts.php | [01:15] |
kakobrekla | my guess it it will stabilize around 0.15 eur per 100mhash daily or lower | [01:15] |
kakobrekla | with asics | [01:15] |
kakobrekla | maybe 0.1 | [01:15] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00636 = 0.636 BTC [+] | [01:16] |
kakobrekla | anywho | [01:23] |
kakobrekla | according to that chart bubble starts at ~40 to 45 usds at this diff | [01:23] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.00636 = 0.0127 BTC [+] | [01:26] |
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mircea_popescu | sooo | [01:35] |
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mircea_popescu | topace it's a good thing to have anyway. | [01:37] |
mircea_popescu | [01:45] | |
Bowjob | "China customs just discovered Bitcoins and are mining like there's no tomorrow..." | [01:47] |
Bowjob | Uh oh | [01:47] |
mircea_popescu | [01:48] | |
jurov | or all rigs were "harmonized" by The Party | [01:49] |
mircea_popescu | re bubble talk allow me to shamelessly plug http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/permanently-elevated-plateau/ | [01:49] |
Bowjob | "China customs just discovered Bitcoins and are mining like there's no tomorrow..." | [01:52] |
Bowjob | " onryo : Bowjob for real?" | [01:52] |
Bowjob | xD | [01:52] |
Bowjob | over at Bfl shoutbox | [01:52] |
kakobrekla | luck this isnt bfl shoutbox ... OR IS IT? | [01:52] |
kakobrekla | lucky* | [01:52] |
kakobrekla | unless its inaba crying i dun wanna hear it | [01:53] |
mircea_popescu | so did they get bumped yet ? | [01:54] |
Bowjob | no | [01:54] |
mircea_popescu | shocking. | [01:54] |
Bowjob | march 9th is the new target date | [01:55] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.msg1560469#msg1560469 | [01:55] |
mircea_popescu | lol drama | [01:55] |
Bowjob | may as well make another BFL bet that they wont ship by march 30th | [01:55] |
mircea_popescu | Bowjob this reminds me of george costanza getting married. | [01:55] |
kakobrekla | its already up | [01:55] |
kakobrekla | i think | [01:55] |
Bowjob | is ti? | [01:55] |
Bowjob | lol | [01:55] |
kakobrekla | ah, its the 15th | [01:55] |
kakobrekla | http://bitbet.us/bet/261/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-15th/ | [01:55] |
kakobrekla | this time | [01:55] |
kakobrekla | too easy | [01:56] |
kakobrekla | should be the end of the month | [01:56] |
kakobrekla | to make it fun | [01:56] |
mircea_popescu | ya srsly. | [01:56] |
kakobrekla | do something!! | [01:56] |
dub | mircea_popescu: anything said to have happened in china carries much lower weighting in the dubwot | [01:57] |
mircea_popescu | i wonder why. | [01:57] |
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Ukto | didnt bfl already say by march ? | [01:58] |
kakobrekla | 2012? | [01:58] |
Ukto | lol | [01:58] |
dub | bfl have said a great number of things | [01:58] |
Ukto | tis true | [01:58] |
mircea_popescu | Ukto as best we can determine bfl bet 500 btc they'll deliver by march 1st | [01:59] |
mircea_popescu | back in early january | [01:59] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.679 = 4.753 BTC [-] | [01:59] |
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mircea_popescu | so two days into the new month mpoe saw like 20k volume | [02:01] |
mircea_popescu | this has all the makings of yet another record month | [02:01] |
mod6 | :D | [02:05] |
Ukto | bfl bet 500btc? | [02:05] |
mircea_popescu | i think so. | [02:05] |
ThickAsThieves | no worries it was all extra scratch left over from BTC returns | [02:06] |
mircea_popescu | possibly ya | [02:07] |
Bowjob | josh said he didnt put money on the bet | [02:12] |
Bowjob | mhm | [02:12] |
mircea_popescu | well, the bet popped, then it was discussed on the forum then the bet showed up. who knows, maybe it's some other true believer. | [02:12] |
mircea_popescu | sure looked suspicious tho | [02:12] |
mircea_popescu | reasonably, a third party with 500 btc to ride on "bfl delivers" would have spent it to pre-order rather than to bet | [02:14] |
mircea_popescu | then again, reasonably is overrated. | [02:14] |
jurov | resonably, true believers should buy difficulty futures | [02:17] |
jurov | some do but not many, i feared with prices i'm offering i'll have to think hard about collateral requirement | [02:18] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.679 = 13.58 BTC [-] | [02:18] |
mircea_popescu | yea. lots of stuff to learn for many people yet. | [02:19] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00075894 = 7.5135 BTC [+] | [02:23] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00424 BTC [-] | [02:26] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/inpractice/qa/limit-cash-payments-clients | [02:27] |
mircea_popescu | this shit is fucking insane. | [02:27] |
mircea_popescu | it is not nor can it be the business of a solicitor to inquire as to where money comes from for fucks sake. | [02:27] |
mircea_popescu | how long till people start coming to their senses ? "i am not the police and i do not do the job of the police. do your motherfucking jobs!" | [02:28] |
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wh1t3r4bb1t | hello | [02:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00897 BTC [+] | [02:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 15 @ 0.00897 = 0.1346 BTC [+] | [02:39] |
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kakobrekla | hi | [02:40] |
wh1t3r4bb1t | when you think the next crash will be? | [02:43] |
kakobrekla | 3 | [02:43] |
kakobrekla | 2 | [02:43] |
kakobrekla | 1 | [02:43] |
kakobrekla | now. | [02:43] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [02:44] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.08556, Best ask: 31.12000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03444, Last trade: 31.12000, 24 hour volume: 42956.19105260, 24 hour low: 30.11710, 24 hour high: 31.69900, 24 hour vwap: 31.01976 | [02:44] |
kakobrekla | its really gonna be now at some point of time. | [02:44] |
mircea_popescu | the next crash will be after bitcoin touches 100 | [02:44] |
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kakobrekla | reminds me of the time argument | [02:45] |
kakobrekla | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36SQTFIAZKU | [02:45] |
mircea_popescu | it's kinda funny to me tho, all the smartasses that were explaining how bitcoin is no good feel a little left out now | [02:45] |
mircea_popescu | hoping for a crash | [02:45] |
mircea_popescu | well... it's going to crash, but later on, and it won't crash as low as 30, so... | [02:45] |
DeadWeasel | your basis for this is? | [02:46] |
mircea_popescu | this. | [02:46] |
DeadWeasel | not that! | [02:46] |
mircea_popescu | kay | [02:46] |
DeadWeasel | we all just speculatin' | [02:47] |
DeadWeasel | but you have decided that the floor is now 30? | [02:47] |
Bowjob | its gonna crash upwards | [02:47] |
DeadWeasel | haha | [02:47] |
mircea_popescu | seems pretty clear to me, yes. floor is now 30. | [02:47] |
DeadWeasel | my floor is carpet | [02:48] |
aethero | My floor is tile. | [02:48] |
mircea_popescu | think about it. everyone that wanted to sell at 30 could have. there's no pressure tho. | [02:48] |
mircea_popescu | so logically, nobody wants to sell at 30 | [02:49] |
mircea_popescu | this simply means people wanting in will have to pay more. | [02:49] |
mircea_popescu | and they should be thankful for anything they get. it's early yet. | [02:49] |
ThickAsThieves | http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/02/nj_legislature_approves_of_chr.html | [02:49] |
ThickAsThieves | NJ joined the online gambling parade | [02:49] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves they won't beat nevada tho | [02:50] |
ThickAsThieves | nope | [02:50] |
Eduard_Munteanu | mircea_popescu: I still think we might see people cashing in USD, perhaps ASIC manufacturers for their day-to-day operations. | [02:51] |
DeadWeasel | they don't have day to day operations | [02:52] |
ThickAsThieves | didnt that happen at like $24 or so? | [02:52] |
mircea_popescu | Eduard_Munteanu sure, some btc will always be on offer. | [02:52] |
DeadWeasel | but the buyers wave is steady | [02:52] |
DeadWeasel | amazingly | [02:52] |
Eduard_Munteanu | Yeah, I'm pretty amazed it didn't crash. Might be relatively stable after all. | [02:52] |
mircea_popescu | moreover, good/bad money theory. | [02:52] |
mircea_popescu | everyone tends to spend btc last. | [02:52] |
mircea_popescu | the miners that saved their mined btc made a killing this year, for instance | [02:53] |
Eduard_Munteanu | Hm, good point. | [02:53] |
mircea_popescu | this lesson has not been lost on anyone i've talked to. | [02:53] |
mircea_popescu | there's also the fiscal consideration. spend fiat, it counts as a deduction. | [02:53] |
Eduard_Munteanu | Did you get a miner btw? I'm a bit sorry I'm late to the party. :( | [02:53] |
mircea_popescu | nah, im not into mining. | [02:53] |
Eduard_Munteanu | Initially it seemed like a good deal, I probably would've bought a ~ $1500 miner. I'm interested to see how much they manage to get out of it. | [02:54] |
ThickAsThieves | how do you mark buying BTC as a deduction? | [02:55] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves the fiat you spend to pay for fixed costs is a deduction. | [02:55] |
ThickAsThieves | like a tax deduction? | [02:55] |
mircea_popescu | yes like a tax deduction. | [02:55] |
ThickAsThieves | what fixed cost would it be best categorized as | [02:56] |
Eduard_Munteanu | I wonder if you could deduct buying BTCs here. | [02:56] |
mircea_popescu | Eduard_Munteanu pretty sure you couldn't. | [02:56] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves company A spends 50, makes 70, pays tax on the 20. | [02:56] |
mircea_popescu | if next year company A spends 55, makes the same 70, it pays tax on the 15 only | [02:56] |
mircea_popescu | if the extra 5 pays electricity for a rig that makes no difference in this equation. | [02:56] |
ThickAsThieves | incidentally every dime i've spent on bitcoin has come froma company account | [02:57] |
Eduard_Munteanu | Actually yeah, you probably can't, not to mention you need receipts and such. | [02:57] |
kakobrekla | you can get receipts from bitstamp or smth | [02:57] |
mircea_popescu | i know some guy that charged all his game subscription to company | [02:58] |
mircea_popescu | got audited, he claimed it's for employee's productivity | [02:58] |
mircea_popescu | they disallowed like half | [02:58] |
ThickAsThieves | hehe | [02:58] |
ThickAsThieves | so would i call it an investment? Or what kind of expense? | [02:58] |
mircea_popescu | apparently wow is not ok but some cs-thing is or something like that. he had a list. | [02:58] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves you wouldn't call it anything. when power bill comes you just pay it and that's that. | [02:59] |
ThickAsThieves | but on your taxes | [02:59] |
ThickAsThieves | that goes under utilities | [02:59] |
mircea_popescu | not on YOUR taxes. | [02:59] |
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mircea_popescu | this is corporate tax we're discussing here. | [02:59] |
Eduard_Munteanu | mircea_popescu: I wonder if BTC is a good way to get money *out* of the company's accounts | [02:59] |
Eduard_Munteanu | Deductible or not. | [02:59] |
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DeadWeasel | get it out of the country then handle it | [03:00] |
mircea_popescu | if it's your company you can do whatever you want. | [03:00] |
DeadWeasel | fucking US taxes | [03:00] |
ThickAsThieves | so it's just like any other vendor expense or such | [03:00] |
mircea_popescu | you can make a company to warm the atmosphere if you please. | [03:00] |
ThickAsThieves | this is kinda scary | [03:00] |
Eduard_Munteanu | mircea_popescu: AFAIK it's a pain to justify taking money out of your accounts | [03:00] |
Eduard_Munteanu | I've seen people complain about it. | [03:01] |
mircea_popescu | what dopes that even mean ? | [03:01] |
Eduard_Munteanu | I'm sure there are ways around it though. | [03:01] |
mircea_popescu | i never heard of such a problem. | [03:01] |
ThickAsThieves | not in US | [03:01] |
ThickAsThieves | take money out for whatever whenever | [03:01] |
Eduard_Munteanu | mircea_popescu: stuff like "I can't pay you cash, I don't have it" | [03:01] |
mircea_popescu | ya well that's called being bankrupt. | [03:02] |
mircea_popescu | we're talking actual corps here, not the living dead. | [03:02] |
Eduard_Munteanu | I still assumed people were stubborn about it, so yeah, you're probably right. | [03:02] |
mircea_popescu | that's the definition. unable to pay exigible demands => bankrupt. | [03:02] |
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Eduard_Munteanu | mircea_popescu: say a company wants to employ a sizeable portion of its workers under the table, that's the sort of scenario I have in mind | [03:03] |
mircea_popescu | that'd be fraud now wouldn't it. | [03:03] |
ThickAsThieves | so you do all your btc/fiat transactions above board? | [03:04] |
ThickAsThieves | i know youll only give one answer i guess | [03:04] |
Eduard_Munteanu | mircea_popescu: I think so... hypothetically. :) | [03:04] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves what transactions tho ?! | [03:04] |
ThickAsThieves | indeed | [03:04] |
ThickAsThieves | if you stay in BTC | [03:05] |
ThickAsThieves | and spend BTC | [03:05] |
mircea_popescu | i've bought plenty on my own account, as any other game subscription./currency/whatever | [03:05] |
ThickAsThieves | nothing to note | [03:05] |
mircea_popescu | i've not sold other than negligible amts | [03:05] |
mircea_popescu | and if i do sell sure it'll be reported as revenue | [03:05] |
Bowjob | ah damn.. it was nice while it worked | [03:05] |
Bowjob | lol | [03:05] |
ThickAsThieves | surely most people wouldnt | [03:05] |
mircea_popescu | Eduard_Munteanu ya well, that has little to do with btc. you can use goats or salt to commit fraud. | [03:06] |
Bowjob | that XRP giveaway, they sent me 50k twice | [03:06] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves why not ?! | [03:06] |
Eduard_Munteanu | Hm, fair point. | [03:06] |
ThickAsThieves | report income from BTC? | [03:06] |
mircea_popescu | yes | [03:06] |
ThickAsThieves | when the cats away | [03:06] |
mircea_popescu | makes no sense. in a properly structured vehicle you pay whatever, 3% if anthing at all | [03:07] |
ThickAsThieves | i know most americans would default to that attitude | [03:07] |
Eduard_Munteanu | Well sure, now you don't expect a company owner to admit, no? Hypothetically, of course. :) | [03:07] |
mircea_popescu | dudes, srsly. you're thinking like poor hicks in arkansas or some shit. | [03:07] |
ThickAsThieves | more middle class and down | [03:07] |
mircea_popescu | the entire tax system is there to help. hire good fiscal representation and use it. | [03:08] |
ThickAsThieves | a lot of people | [03:08] |
ThickAsThieves | i dont disagree | [03:08] |
Eduard_Munteanu | I am poor, FSVO poor. | [03:08] |
ThickAsThieves | a system only works when used properly | [03:08] |
Eduard_Munteanu | So if I can keep a lil' more to myself... :) | [03:08] |
ThickAsThieves | but i do believe the sentiment of those bitcoiners | [03:08] |
ThickAsThieves | woulod be to sneak around with the btc money | [03:08] |
mircea_popescu | ya, because most bitcoiners have bupkiss understanding of pricing risk | [03:09] |
Eduard_Munteanu | Yes, we do need legitimate business on a more serious voice. | [03:09] |
mircea_popescu | so they end up "investing" in whatever, btcjam and miner bonds | [03:09] |
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Eduard_Munteanu | ;;ticker | [03:10] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.02001, Best ask: 31.20000, Bid-ask spread: 0.17999, Last trade: 31.20000, 24 hour volume: 42934.16522334, 24 hour low: 30.11710, 24 hour high: 31.69900, 24 hour vwap: 31.03445 | [03:10] |
ThickAsThieves | okay, so about the system and taxes, doesnt spending bitcoin on bitcoin offerings still break things | [03:10] |
ThickAsThieves | like if evoorhees rakes in btc | [03:11] |
ThickAsThieves | and spends it as btc | [03:11] |
ThickAsThieves | he never pays a tax | [03:11] |
Eduard_Munteanu | Possibly. For instance buying/selling securities may be subject to different tax rules. | [03:11] |
mircea_popescu | why would he ? | [03:11] |
ThickAsThieves | loads of money goes in | [03:12] |
ThickAsThieves | but doesnt come out | [03:12] |
mircea_popescu | so ? | [03:12] |
ThickAsThieves | well | [03:12] |
ThickAsThieves | i guess it still comes out somewhere | [03:12] |
ThickAsThieves | at least these days | [03:12] |
ThickAsThieves | whatever thing you buy was probably paid to make with fiat | [03:12] |
Eduard_Munteanu | For example, here they tax *every* profitable transaction by 16%. Not at the end of the year, or the month, but as soon as it happens. | [03:12] |
ThickAsThieves | but still a lot less tax being collected | [03:12] |
mircea_popescu | where's "here" ? | [03:12] |
Eduard_Munteanu | mircea_popescu: BVB, the stock market | [03:13] |
Eduard_Munteanu | It's pretty messed up. | [03:13] |
ThickAsThieves | i do wish US taxes were simpler and closer to a flat tax | [03:13] |
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mircea_popescu | i have no idea, haven't followed that since the late 90s | [03:13] |
mircea_popescu | but that notwithstanding, btc and btc stocks have nothing to do with fiat rules and fiat definitions. | [03:14] |
ThickAsThieves | so what does a government do to get the tax they need? | [03:14] |
ThickAsThieves | adopt btc? | [03:14] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves that'd be their problem. | [03:14] |
Eduard_Munteanu | Let's just say I might break even on gold after losing quite a bit of money on the stock market. | [03:14] |
Eduard_Munteanu | Not particularly hit by the crisis, but my trades weren't exactly great. | [03:14] |
mircea_popescu | Eduard_Munteanu if that thing ain't rigged i'm a girl and don't even know about it. | [03:15] |
Eduard_Munteanu | Perhaps, besides BVB is sort of a joke market compared to other similar stuff. | [03:15] |
mircea_popescu | right. i don't understand why anyone'd bother, other than to hedge speciffic risks | [03:16] |
mircea_popescu | get a grown-up acct in ny or w/e | [03:16] |
Eduard_Munteanu | I'd much rather do forex. Haven't tried Sibex though. | [03:16] |
mircea_popescu | this is like getting .ro domains srsly. | [03:16] |
mircea_popescu | nobody sane would be involved. | [03:16] |
Eduard_Munteanu | Heh, yeah. | [03:16] |
mircea_popescu | you wanna trade forex, get an account on the actual market | [03:17] |
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Eduard_Munteanu | mircea_popescu: I went through some random trader from US, the only thing I complain is the huge leverage | [03:17] |
mircea_popescu | why trade bizarre illiquid shit... i mean, mpex and bvb are not exactly the same size, but not exactly that far off. | [03:17] |
Eduard_Munteanu | forex.com IITC | [03:17] |
Eduard_Munteanu | *IIRC | [03:18] |
mircea_popescu | is forex.com legit ? | [03:18] |
Eduard_Munteanu | Yes, I could literally influence the market on BVB, even on certain Cat I securities. | [03:18] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, never heard of em. use schwab or edward jones or w/e | [03:19] |
mircea_popescu | something that exists | [03:19] |
Eduard_Munteanu | mircea_popescu: yes, it worked fine for me | [03:19] |
Eduard_Munteanu | I didn't put a lot of money in it, a few hundred dollars. | [03:20] |
mircea_popescu | a well | [03:21] |
Eduard_Munteanu | Stuff like USD/gold or USD/CHF is nice, but the leverage is a bit too high IMO. E.g. if you're betting on US inflating their money supply. | [03:21] |
mircea_popescu | you don't HAVE to use leverage you don't want now do you | [03:21] |
Eduard_Munteanu | Yeah, you can trade less. | [03:21] |
mircea_popescu | exactly. | [03:22] |
Eduard_Munteanu | Actually yeah, dunno why I said that. :) | [03:22] |
mircea_popescu | lol k | [03:23] |
Eduard_Munteanu | I actually did something like that at some point. Though I'd lose patience and go with more bucks at it, perhaps that was it. :D | [03:23] |
mircea_popescu | ya well discipline matters. | [03:23] |
Eduard_Munteanu | Luckily it's all stop-loss and you can't end up in debt, AFAIR. | [03:24] |
Eduard_Munteanu | I suspect you might need something like that to short safely on BTCs. | [03:24] |
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dub | sup atlas | [03:25] |
mircea_popescu | bithub = atlas ?! | [03:25] |
dub | surely Eduard_Munteanu is | [03:25] |
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mircea_popescu | o ya think ? | [03:26] |
BitHub | cheers for the divs mircea :) | [03:26] |
mircea_popescu | Eduard_Munteanu zi bre, care-i diferenta intre o pisica alba si-una neagra ? | [03:26] |
mircea_popescu | dub maybe so. | [03:28] |
mircea_popescu | BitHub hehe enjoy. | [03:28] |
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Bowjob | ;;ticker | [03:45] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.06093, Best ask: 31.20001, Bid-ask spread: 0.13908, Last trade: 31.20001, 24 hour volume: 42934.80821886, 24 hour low: 30.11710, 24 hour high: 31.69900, 24 hour vwap: 31.04091 | [03:45] |
Bowjob | crash | [03:45] |
aethero | Yeah a fall to 31.2 is a crash lol | [03:45] |
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Bowjob | it as 31.6 earlier lol | [03:45] |
Eduard_Munteanu | mircea_popescu: heh, no, I don't think I know that one | [03:46] |
Eduard_Munteanu | dub: hm? | [03:46] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1 BTC [+] | [03:47] |
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Chaang-Noi | so no high yet, hmmm | [03:49] |
Chaang-Noi | bulls wake up! | [03:50] |
Bowjob | nope crash time | [03:50] |
ThickAsThieves | yeah it cvould crash all the way to $31 | [03:50] |
ThickAsThieves | watch out | [03:50] |
Chaang-Noi | anything over $20 would just be a correction anyway:) | [03:50] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 665 @ 0.00634999 = 4.2227 BTC [-] | [03:53] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+] | [03:57] |
BitHub | Hey guys, you can now talk to BitHub directly from our site, I know wow real time customer service, who knew. | [04:00] |
kakobrekla | what is your site? | [04:01] |
thestringpuller | bithub.com? | [04:13] |
BitHub | bithub.com.au | [04:14] |
thestringpuller | your icon is broken | [04:15] |
thestringpuller | also weird name: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=29588.0 | [04:15] |
mircea_popescu | lol @ last 2 posts there | [04:16] |
mod6 | heheh, telling this whole room of people about bitcoin... | [04:17] |
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mod6 | has caused quite the discussion on currency and dollars. | [04:17] |
mod6 | i'll tell you guys more later. but this is pretty cool conversation over here. people are really receptive to btc -- and these people totally non-technical. | [04:18] |
mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136192804573.jpg random person upon hearing "Bitcoin" | [04:19] |
mircea_popescu | tru story. | [04:19] |
kakobrekla | mod6 ?? | [04:19] |
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kakobrekla | indian malarkey? | [04:19] |
mod6 | kakobrekla: these are the guys who are involved with the legalized casino gaming in minnesota. | [04:19] |
kakobrekla | aha | [04:20] |
mod6 | haha, nice mircea_popescu | [04:20] |
mircea_popescu | totally. | [04:20] |
mod6 | i passed around .1 BTC on a paper wallet, that was the basic reaction ;) | [04:21] |
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kakobrekla | is that pic i want to get fucked by or for btc? | [04:21] |
mircea_popescu | you know, i should probably do a buncha Bank of MPEx paper btc notes | [04:21] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla it's "stfu and take my maidenhood" | [04:21] |
mircea_popescu | sorta like money but for girls ? | [04:21] |
mod6 | that'd be sweet! | [04:21] |
mircea_popescu | hm, any designers in da house ? | [04:22] |
mod6 | brb, these guys are having a full argument about cash and what the fed does and how in debt/fucked we are... | [04:22] |
aethero | mod6 who? | [04:22] |
mod6 | some homies | [04:22] |
kakobrekla | i know how to turn on photoshop | [04:22] |
mod6 | or do you mean who's fucked aethero? | [04:23] |
kakobrekla | its double click on that blue PS | [04:23] |
aethero | Who's fucked | [04:23] |
mod6 | if you mean who, i mean the world | [04:23] |
mod6 | or more directly, the us. | [04:23] |
aethero | The who? | [04:23] |
mod6 | so we're talkin about what's really taking place. | [04:23] |
aethero | You? | [04:23] |
mod6 | wat | [04:23] |
mod6 | dude. | [04:23] |
aethero | "the us" | [04:23] |
aethero | who's "us"? | [04:23] |
mod6 | The United States of Amerika | [04:23] |
aethero | I dont know Amerika | [04:24] |
aethero | I know America. And U.S. ;) | [04:24] |
kakobrekla | its mostly jesus and meth. | [04:24] |
thestringpuller | a bank that doesn't lend money eh popescu? | [04:24] |
mod6 | lol stop trollin me | [04:24] |
mod6 | i gotta get back to it. | [04:24] |
mod6 | bbl | [04:24] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: lends me 1 million BTC | [04:25] |
BitHub | lul stringpuller | [04:25] |
BitHub | funny link | [04:25] |
DeadWeasel | so, fellas, think we go down from there for a while? or rally this week? | [04:27] |
DeadWeasel | http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#tgSzm1g10zm2g25zi1gMACDzi2gStochRSIzi3gCOscillatorzi4gCOscillatorzv | [04:28] |
DeadWeasel | macd looks off | [04:28] |
DeadWeasel | to my untrained eyes | [04:28] |
DeadWeasel | but instincts curious what anyone else sees | [04:29] |
DeadWeasel | http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#tgSzm1g10zm2g25zi1gMACDzi2gStochRSIzi3gCOscillatorzi4gRSIzv | [04:29] |
DeadWeasel | does it even mean anything? | [04:30] |
Bugpowder | I doubt it | [04:31] |
DeadWeasel | reason or feeling? | [04:32] |
DeadWeasel | instinct is a bastard mutant of those two. | [04:32] |
DeadWeasel | and is an acceptable answer | [04:32] |
DeadWeasel | ;;slap deadweasel | [04:33] |
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DeadWeasel | that was heavier than expected | [04:33] |
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kakobrekla | yeah | [04:39] |
kakobrekla | stop with the useless slaps | [04:39] |
Bowjob | ;;ticker | [04:39] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.10002, Best ask: 31.18000, Bid-ask spread: 0.07998, Last trade: 31.18000, 24 hour volume: 43378.82060481, 24 hour low: 30.11710, 24 hour high: 31.69900, 24 hour vwap: 31.05179 | [04:39] |
kakobrekla | too much noise | [04:39] |
kakobrekla | you can pm gribble and slap yourself there if you really wanna | [04:40] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [+] | [04:42] |
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asshat | my bad | [04:43] |
asshat | sorry | [04:43] |
mod6 | alot of these guys in here are very wealthy, and haha, bitcoin and this discussion is scaring the shit out of them | [04:44] |
mod6 | talk about all-time complacentcy | [04:44] |
mod6 | more in a bit... | [04:45] |
dub | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_oY05tYId38J:blog.glbse.com/no-electronic-devices+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=nz&client=firefox-a | [04:48] |
dub | I know its a bit late for this but.. what a fucking idiot | [04:48] |
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kakobrekla | yup | [04:54] |
kakobrekla | prolly the last ppl you want to mention btc to | [04:54] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 10 @ 0.14012133 = 1.4012 BTC [-] | [04:55] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.BBET] 298 @ 0.00196499 = 0.5856 BTC [-] | [05:05] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 92 @ 0.00634999 = 0.5842 BTC [-] | [05:06] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 770 @ 0.00075894 = 0.5844 BTC [+] | [05:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 220 @ 0.00634999 = 1.397 BTC [-] | [05:08] |
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Bowjob | ;;ticker | [05:17] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.11011, Best ask: 31.19999, Bid-ask spread: 0.08988, Last trade: 31.19999, 24 hour volume: 42530.67594311, 24 hour low: 30.11710, 24 hour high: 31.69900, 24 hour vwap: 31.07588 | [05:17] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 12 @ 0.6749 = 8.0988 BTC [-] | [05:22] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 13 @ 0.6749 = 8.7737 BTC [-] | [05:23] |
Bowjob | what is this meme about some old people going crazy about an idea | [05:24] |
Bowjob | the old people i assume are businessmen | [05:24] |
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Bowjob | http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/408229 | [05:26] |
Bowjob | idk what its called | [05:26] |
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Bowjob | guys, BFL wafers are real! | [05:46] |
Bowjob | http://img.tradeindia.com/fp/0/237/332.jpg | [05:46] |
dub | needs moar clock buffer | [05:47] |
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mircea_popescu | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-26/alternative-currency-goes-mainstream-bitcoin-atms-emerge | [06:02] |
mircea_popescu | person actually thinks the 50 bux wordpress charged for a domain reg is why btc doubled. | [06:03] |
mircea_popescu | "BitCoin, brought to you by the same power elite who own the money printing industry. | [06:05] |
mircea_popescu | Can you PHYSICALLY HOLD BITCOINS IN YOUR HAND?" | [06:05] |
mircea_popescu | pretty great collection of idiots. | [06:05] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7985 @ 0.00074743 = 5.9682 BTC [-] | [06:13] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00074742 = 3.7371 BTC [-] | [06:13] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4101 @ 0.00074741 = 3.0651 BTC [-] | [06:13] |
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kakobrekla | ok | [06:27] |
kakobrekla | so i bought btc with ripples | [06:27] |
kakobrekla | on the market | [06:27] |
kakobrekla | sent to stamp | [06:27] |
kakobrekla | all the money is gone! | [06:27] |
kakobrekla | lol | [06:27] |
kakobrekla | ah | [06:27] |
kakobrekla | now its here | [06:27] |
kakobrekla | damn | [06:27] |
kakobrekla | it accually works | [06:28] |
kakobrekla | well got about 0.6 out of that | [06:34] |
kakobrekla | so meh | [06:34] |
kakobrekla | but it works. | [06:34] |
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Namworld | Ripple? I don't understand how it works, not really any instructions | [06:43] |
kakobrekla | dunno its fucked | [06:44] |
kakobrekla | i just clicked a lot of buttons | [06:44] |
kakobrekla | did a few hax | [06:44] |
kakobrekla | and btc poped out | [06:44] |
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kakobrekla | its not that i dont belive that the price of that shit will go up, just not as much as btc. | [06:45] |
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jcpham | i just like saying ripple | [07:01] |
jcpham | it creates buzz | [07:01] |
jcpham | http://asportinginterest.blogspot.ca/2013/02/bitcoin-liquidity-revisited-save.html | [07:11] |
jcpham | good read | [07:11] |
mircea_popescu | "Recently I wrote about how the viability of bitcoin was limited by the risk of total, sudden liquidity collapse . The argument can be summarized as saying that without institutions whose business is transacted in it, bitcoin suffers from a bootstrapping problem whereby a crack in the crypto scheme would create an instant wave of counterfeit and debasement. Since there is no entity to restore trust in the currency with | [07:15] |
mircea_popescu | a guarantee, e.g. no central bank or government to offer a sovereign guarantee, a crack would make bitcoin illiquid and worthless. " | [07:15] |
mircea_popescu | that is the stupidest thing i read today | [07:16] |
mircea_popescu | for srsly now. | [07:16] |
mircea_popescu | first off, a crack would make bitcoin useless to begin with. | [07:16] |
mircea_popescu | second off, it's not illiquid. | [07:16] |
mircea_popescu | third off, what ?! | [07:16] |
mircea_popescu | this person does not belong writing. | [07:17] |
maximian | and the presence of a bitcoin casino doesn't make an abandoned/cracked bitcoin system viable again | [07:17] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [07:17] |
mircea_popescu | moreover, if god himself guaranteed a cracked currency | [07:17] |
mircea_popescu | it'd still be worthless | [07:17] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12543 @ 0.00074124 = 9.2974 BTC [-] | [07:17] |
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BTC4amazon-Away | ;;seen evoorhees | [07:20] |
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jcpham | you didn't like my link mircea_popescu | [07:28] |
jcpham | dude i bring quality material | [07:28] |
mod6 | (18:54) < kakobrekla> prolly the last ppl you want to mention btc to | [07:32] |
mod6 | maybe so. but after talking to 'em and answering questions for 2 hours they're getting it. | [07:33] |
mod6 | they love what MPEx is, and we talked about bitbet for a while and how that works... | [07:33] |
mod6 | this is turning out pretty well. | [07:34] |
kakobrekla | i was talking about dubs link | [07:34] |
kakobrekla | nefario talking to us customs | [07:34] |
kakobrekla | not about you mod6 | [07:34] |
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mod6 | oh sorry. | [07:35] |
wh1t3r4bb1t | im setting up another bitcoin server and I can't find the default bitcoin.conf on debian squeeze | [07:37] |
wh1t3r4bb1t | not the user dir but the default location when it installs | [07:37] |
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wh1t3r4bb1t | anyone know where it is? | [07:37] |
mod6 | its not ~/.bitcoin ? | [07:37] |
kakobrekla | i think so too | [07:38] |
wh1t3r4bb1t | nope not in ~ | [07:38] |
mod6 | hmm | [07:38] |
mod6 | just do like `find / -name "bitcoin.conf"` | [07:38] |
wh1t3r4bb1t | im looking for the default file not the user file | [07:38] |
wh1t3r4bb1t | thats odd | [07:40] |
wh1t3r4bb1t | it's only finding this /usr/share/doc/bitcoind/examples/bitcoin.conf | [07:40] |
wh1t3r4bb1t | it can't be using that right now | [07:40] |
wh1t3r4bb1t | hmmm | [07:41] |
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Ukto | wow. "[23:19] |
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Ukto | never seen you get so annoyed that your english gets broken :P | [07:50] |
Ukto | 'does not belong writing' is something I expect to read in a chinese manual. :P | [07:51] |
Namworld | Hey Ukto. Left you PMs | [07:54] |
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Diablo-D3 | Ukto: he accidently a word | [08:20] |
mircea_popescu | Ukto actually it's fine | [08:27] |
mircea_popescu | jcpham in general you do but that one was for the birds | [08:28] |
mircea_popescu | mod6 is the new bitcoin jesus | [08:28] |
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dub | wh1t3r4bb1t: there is no default bitcoin.conf | [09:14] |
dub | if you create bintcoin.conf in the datadir it will use that by default | [09:18] |
dub | bitcoin.conf too | [09:18] |
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Chaang-Noi | what is this ? |
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Chaang-Noi | when he tried to get into usa with no money from china? | [09:21] |
dub | yeah | [09:23] |
Chaang-Noi | thought it might have been recent, thanks | [09:23] |
BingoBongo | ;; ticker | [09:27] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.02002, Best ask: 31.18998, Bid-ask spread: 0.16996, Last trade: 31.18998, 24 hour volume: 40177.44122778, 24 hour low: 30.22822, 24 hour high: 31.69900, 24 hour vwap: 31.17512 | [09:27] |
BingoBongo | Guess this is the normal lul before the usual Thursday fireworks | [09:28] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00896 BTC [-] | [09:33] |
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Namworld | Who wants to fill the rest of my BTC-BOND borrowing capacity? | [09:40] |
Chaang-Noi | are you asking if we want to borrow btc? | [09:41] |
Namworld | No, I'm borrowing | [09:42] |
* | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [15:34] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: http://mpex.co || https://coinbr.com || https://www.havelockinvestments.com || https://btct.co || https://bitfunder.com || https://icbit.se || https://cryptostocks.com || https://therocktrading.com || http://picostocks.com || list bot commands: !help || Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades || biased msg: http://bit4x.com | [15:34] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Thu Feb 14 01:53:47 2013 | [15:34] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [15:35] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.08945, Best ask: 31.12948, Bid-ask spread: 0.04003, Last trade: 31.08945, 24 hour volume: 33052.15782040, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 31.69900, 24 hour vwap: 31.15151 | [15:35] |
mircea_popescu | what, we crashed again ? | [15:35] |
Chaang-Noi | crashed? | [15:37] |
Chaang-Noi | i thought your english over all was pretty good | [15:37] |
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wh1t3r4bb1t | bitcoinuser@tyler /usr/bin$ bitcoind getbalance 1361970921224185 | [15:40] |
wh1t3r4bb1t | 17349.26400326 | [15:40] |
mircea_popescu | Chaang-Noi don't get cheeky. | [15:41] |
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mircea_popescu | US unemployment merits third round of money printing, says Ben Bernanke | [15:54] |
jurov | http://bitcoinmagazine.com/coinlab-bringing-bitcoin-to-wall-street-with-mtgox-deal lol i read first sentence and closed the tab | [15:56] |
jurov | this rarely heppens, i'm fairly bullshit-tolerant | [15:56] |
mircea_popescu | i thought i was very tolerant | [15:56] |
mircea_popescu | i had a reputation for such tolerance | [15:57] |
mircea_popescu | then bitcoin | [15:57] |
pigeons | i read the url and didnt open it | [15:58] |
jurov | plus, it's linked from reddit complete with GLBSE logo | [16:00] |
mircea_popescu | lol reddit | [16:00] |
mircea_popescu | i guess its still better than the comments section for that zerohedge piece i linked yest | [16:00] |
mircea_popescu | Subject: Transaction is completed | [16:04] |
mircea_popescu | X-PHP-Script: vbwojvaixfhhwpfvgbxgjgc.uncw.edu/sendmail.php for 194.78.197.113 | [16:04] |
mircea_popescu | From: "Payment notification system" |
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mircea_popescu | uncw should get no grants in 2013 | [16:04] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 25 @ 0.00071 = 0.0178 BTC [+] | [16:06] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 9975 @ 0.0007 = 6.9825 BTC [-] | [16:06] |
pigeons | where is that email form | [16:11] |
pigeons | from | [16:12] |
mircea_popescu | some spammer | [16:12] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00636999 = 6.37 BTC [+] | [16:27] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4000 @ 0.00637 = 25.48 BTC [+] | [16:27] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 30 @ 0.66 = 19.8 BTC [-] | [16:27] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.65 = 3.25 BTC [-] | [16:27] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.65 = 9.75 BTC [-] | [16:27] |
topace | mircea_popescu: any idea what "validity" values are, in reference to a gpg signature verification? when i use php's gnupg_verify() i get either validity=4 (for valid signature) or validity=0 (for invalid signature) | [16:29] |
topace | i can't just assume that anything >0 is valid.... i need to be sure i know what it means | [16:29] |
mircea_popescu | mmm | [16:30] |
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mircea_popescu | iirc the way to use that function is set checksig to false and then see if it returns the fingerprint | [16:30] |
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topace | it returns an array: {"fingerprint":"8DDE8C2B4DE2278A95C3D65B9214FC6BF1B69921","validity":4,"timestamp":1361385050,"status":0,"summary":3} | [16:32] |
topace | or if invalid: {"fingerprint":"9214FC6BF1B69921","validity":0,"timestamp":0,"status":117440520,"summary":4} | [16:32] |
topace | so fingerprint is always returned, but its the key id instead of the fingerprint if the signature is invalid | [16:32] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00637989 = 12.7598 BTC [+] | [16:37] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.0063799 = 19.1397 BTC [+] | [16:37] |
jurov | looks like you'll have too use the sauce | [16:37] |
jurov | where do the calues come from | [16:38] |
jurov | *values | [16:38] |
mircea_popescu | topace so then fingerprint is NOT always returned | [16:39] |
mircea_popescu | as in keyid != fingerprint | [16:39] |
topace | jurov: they come from the array that gnupg_verify() returns | [16:39] |
topace | mircea_popescu: right, so, if strlen(fingerprint)>15 then its a valid signature? sounds sloppy | [16:40] |
mircea_popescu | not at all | [16:40] |
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mircea_popescu | if returned_fingerprint == expected fingerprint then valid | [16:40] |
topace | okay and you're 100% positive that is enough to confirm a signature validity? | [16:43] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-] | [16:44] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.643 = 5.144 BTC [-] | [16:44] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.6420001 = 12.84 BTC [-] | [16:44] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 13 @ 0.642 = 8.346 BTC [-] | [16:44] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.641 = 1.923 BTC [-] | [16:45] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.633 = 2.532 BTC [-] | [16:45] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.632 BTC [-] | [16:45] |
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kakobrekla | . | [16:55] |
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mircea_popescu | topace nope. i've never used the php library | [17:04] |
mircea_popescu | and since we're on the topic, i dunno how well it was tested, if you use it you'd prolly be well advised to protect it from buffer overflows etc | [17:04] |
mircea_popescu | (limit the size message that goes in for instance) | [17:05] |
topace | hmm k. yea, im already doing some basic sanity checks before the call | [17:05] |
mircea_popescu | i'd guess whoever implemented it did it more for show than for banking. | [17:05] |
kakobrekla | mpoe weekly | [17:09] |
kakobrekla | http://shrani.si/f/3f/wy/e602XO/mpoe.jpg | [17:09] |
kakobrekla | http://shrani.si/f/2Y/Wf/3qSHcn8W/bitbet.jpg | [17:11] |
kakobrekla | bitbet daily | [17:11] |
kakobrekla | bullish ;>> | [17:11] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 2 @ 0.13944319 = 0.2789 BTC [-] | [17:13] |
mircea_popescu | ponzi! | [17:13] |
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Bugpowder | x diff gap narrowing | [17:14] |
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mircea_popescu | what they got now, two weeks or so ? | [17:16] |
Bugpowder | 22 days | [17:16] |
mircea_popescu | 3 ya k | [17:18] |
mircea_popescu | i think what happens is that 1 month = furthest future point in bitcoin | [17:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.0063799 = 0.319 BTC [+] | [17:19] |
mircea_popescu | nobody plans further than hm | [17:19] |
mircea_popescu | whoa. | [17:19] |
mircea_popescu | do you suppose we can say that since everyone involved lives paycheck to paycheck | [17:19] |
mircea_popescu | that's the furthest they can think ahead ? | [17:19] |
Bugpowder | you can't argue that and also argue that the rise is not driven by the reddit/coinbase crowd | [17:20] |
kakobrekla | paycheck, what is dat? | [17:20] |
Bugpowder | ;;asks 32 | [17:20] |
gribble | There are currently 22183.421 bitcoins offered at or under 32.0 USD, worth 705987.683892 USD in total. | [17:20] |
Bugpowder | jezzzus | [17:20] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder unfortunately. | [17:21] |
mircea_popescu | course possibly a workable model would show people buying that know business, people with large stashes that just happened by at the right time | [17:21] |
mircea_popescu | after all, any tech liquidity event is geeks selling out to business people. | [17:22] |
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Bugpowder | Any thoughts on the coinlab story? It's not clear from the wording that they actually ARE buying / HAVE BOUGHT mtgox's US book or they are just TRYING to buy the book and have achieved absolutely nothing. | [17:23] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder the later. | [17:24] |
mircea_popescu | not only is mtgox not selling, but who is coinbase again ? | [17:24] |
Bugpowder | coinlab | [17:24] |
gigavps | Bugpowder they are going to be mtgox's us broker essentially | [17:24] |
Bugpowder | Are they? Or are they just leaking some hype to a reporter with no actual deal | [17:25] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder my point is more alongthe lines, there's about five or six of other corps doing what they do. | [17:25] |
gigavps | they are "pivoting" | [17:25] |
mircea_popescu | the fact that unlike the competition they have a burn rate is NOT an advantage. | [17:25] |
gigavps | guess they found out that HPC work with integer maffs isn't profitable | [17:26] |
Bugpowder | " The goal is to move customers’ money from overseas to Silicon Valley Bank by March 22nd." Like by starting a new way to deposit and stealing the future international wire action, or actually pulling all the existing deposits from Japan/HK to a US bank. Anyone have an interview transcript? | [17:27] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder you ever heard of something like this released other than as a joint item ? | [17:28] |
Bugpowder | nope | [17:28] |
mircea_popescu | mtgox is silent. nothing happened. | [17:28] |
Bugpowder | "goal" | [17:28] |
mircea_popescu | other than remarkably incompetent trade mag and remarkably incompetent coinlab pr person. | [17:28] |
Bugpowder | "has worked for a year to sign an exclusive long term deal" | [17:28] |
mircea_popescu | i've been working for twelve years to fuck tea leoni. | [17:29] |
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Bugpowder | heh | [17:30] |
Bugpowder | you may have enough bitcoins to make it happen | [17:30] |
mircea_popescu | i prefer working at it by now. | [17:30] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, the way i read it a deal is not even close. | [17:32] |
Bugpowder | I concur | [17:33] |
mircea_popescu | if it were you wouldn't be pissing the op off with statements of the kind | [17:33] |
mircea_popescu | prolly what happened is they finally got told to take a hike, and are trying to extrac whatever from it | [17:33] |
Bugpowder | looks like VC-style hype trying to create an illusion of success, hopefully leading to actual success. | [17:34] |
mircea_popescu | but on the negative side, if coinbase tech competence is anything like their pr ability, | [17:34] |
mircea_popescu | they'll be the next large hack | [17:34] |
mircea_popescu | at any rate they're running out of money this year, so... meh. | [17:35] |
Bugpowder | coinbase ~= coinlab | [17:40] |
Bugpowder | does not inspire confidence http://blogs-images.forbes.com/jonmatonis/files/2012/10/coinlab-founders.jpg | [17:41] |
mircea_popescu | not young enough ? | [17:42] |
Bugpowder | They look dumb in the face | [17:42] |
mircea_popescu | not jewish enough ? | [17:42] |
ThickAsThieves | too "where's my mai tai" looking | [17:43] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, my boeuf bourguignon smells done. back later! | [17:44] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;estimate | [17:44] |
gribble | Next difficulty estimate | 4406669.35421 based on data since last change | 4323557.47279 based on data for last three days | [17:44] |
Bugpowder | Also this story mentions several possible business plans, none of which are related to the current story http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2012/04/24/coinlab-attracts-500000-in-venture-capital-for-bitcoin-projects/ | [17:45] |
Bugpowder | So that shows they have some money but no focus. They are likely a zero. | [17:45] |
Bugpowder | Never match your hat pattern to your shirt pattern | [17:46] |
ThickAsThieves | "All your gamers are gold" ?? | [17:47] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 3 @ 0.01 = 0.03 BTC [+] | [17:51] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.684 = 1.368 BTC [+] | [18:02] |
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kakobrekla | ;;bc,stats | [18:15] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 223435 | Current Difficulty: 3651011.630693214 | Next Difficulty At Block: 223775 | Next Difficulty In: 340 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 15 hours, 36 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4409373.22265 | Estimated Percent Change: 20.77127 | [18:15] |
kakobrekla | aha now we are getting somewhere | [18:15] |
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wh1t3r4bb1t | Yup | [18:18] |
pigeons | i declare today ridiculous idea link day in honor of coinlab | [18:29] |
pigeons | http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/26/4031938/new-crowdfunding-platforms-let-you-sell-stock-in-yourself | [18:29] |
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mod6 | yeah, so that ended up going pretty well lastnight. | [18:58] |
mod6 | very lengthy and lively discussion on all things money/econ/bitcoin | [19:01] |
mod6 | cool beans | [19:01] |
ThickAsThieves | so are they all converted? | [19:02] |
mod6 | haha. not exactly. but at first the guys who are long paper had some FEAR that they're paper is going to 0. and rightly so.... | [19:03] |
mod6 | but after talking about this for like 3 or 4 hours... they started to understand btc a bit more and what its important | [19:03] |
mod6 | haha, the discussion was HEATED at first... "WHAT IS IT BACKED BY???!!!11" that kinda thing. | [19:04] |
mod6 | there was even talk about the Trillion Dollar Coin for like 20 minutes lol | [19:04] |
mod6 | my whole thing is, "if you think that platnium is $1tn because they need it to hypothicate some new money, what does that say about the price of gold, silver or bitcoin?" | [19:05] |
mod6 | *STARE INTO SPACE* | [19:05] |
mod6 | then they start to see.... | [19:06] |
mod6 | one dude outright called me "Crazy" and "a crackhead" lol | [19:06] |
kakobrekla | Jay Walker, a forex prop trader, said he’d jump to any forex broker deal that would allow him to do currency pair trades and get paid out in bitcoins. This is something the Bitcoin exchanges could do by signing deals with forex broker deals – assuming they get through each country’s regulatory process. | [19:07] |
kakobrekla | lulz | [19:07] |
mod6 | get him on bit4x kakobrekla | [19:08] |
mod6 | one of the dudes over there has been blowing me up for a few weeks about these avalons.. he wants to buy a few to start to do some mining.. and that turned into a lengthy discussion. | [19:09] |
mod6 | but he said he's gonna contact them etc to see what he can find out lol | [19:09] |
mod6 | i explained the BFL and avalon stuff to them. I think they're pretty sweet on mining. But the online-poker site is something they'd like to see get built. they own a full legal casino here, so I'm trying to get them to see how this would be awesome for gaming, mainly. | [19:12] |
mod6 | I think they'd be better off funding some iPad-bitcoin-slotmachines | [19:15] |
mod6 | right now when you go into the casino, you can put cash onto your players card -- and when you walk up to a machine you just put your card in. | [19:16] |
mod6 | they're getting less and less business from what I understand,.. the money is drying up quite a bit so gaming has been light | [19:17] |
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mod6 | im sure if they could get something like that going so that people could play their slots from their couch as opposed to driving 40 miles to the casino they'd be happy. | [19:18] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 830 @ 0.0063799 = 5.2953 BTC [+] | [19:23] |
thestringpuller | ;;ticker | [19:24] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.29001, Best ask: 31.38899, Bid-ask spread: 0.09898, Last trade: 31.38751, 24 hour volume: 29714.39995236, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 31.39000, 24 hour vwap: 31.12173 | [19:24] |
thestringpuller | more money is about to go into the economy heh | [19:24] |
mod6 | I brought 3 .1 BTC paper wallets with me to pass around, so that gave them something to hold and concider while the discussion was going on... after I left I wanted to kick myself. | [19:25] |
mod6 | I should have just started a live auction for 'em. Maybe next time. | [19:25] |
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mod6 | This is a good thing though, because if these guys get wholly onboard, bye-bye fake-economy job, hello bitcoin land! | [19:26] |
Chaang-Noi | ;;ticker | [19:28] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.30000, Best ask: 31.38999, Bid-ask spread: 0.08999, Last trade: 31.38999, 24 hour volume: 28119.55661008, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 31.40000, 24 hour vwap: 31.12346 | [19:28] |
Chaang-Noi | ;;slap chaang-noi | [19:29] |
* | gribble slaps chaang-noi with a stout war cry | [19:29] |
Chaang-Noi | just what i needed to wake up, thanks gribble | [19:29] |
chmod755 | ;;slap Chaang-Noi | [19:29] |
* | gribble slaps Chaang-Noi with a steaming up the dead | [19:29] |
Chaang-Noi | :) | [19:29] |
Bicknellski | ;;slap Bicknellski | [19:36] |
* | gribble slaps Bicknellski with a burly dead man | [19:36] |
Bicknellski | glad he was burly | [19:36] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [-] | [19:39] |
mircea_popescu | mod6 maybe you should start a blog | [19:40] |
kakobrekla | hm | [19:41] |
kakobrekla | would someone be writing for bitcoin-assets.com ? | [19:41] |
kakobrekla | or its gonna be preetymuch static. | [19:41] |
chmod755 | ;;t | [19:44] |
gribble | New crowdfunding platforms let you sell stock in yourself | The Verge | [19:44] |
chmod755 | O.o | [19:44] |
chmod755 | ;;web fetch http://bitcoin-assets.com | [19:44] |
gribble | Error: I tried to send you an empty message. | [19:44] |
chmod755 | :o | [19:44] |
kakobrekla | is not public yet | [19:45] |
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thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: wall street deal eminent | [19:48] |
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chmod755 | thestringpuller, wall street deal?.... | [19:49] |
Bugpowder | vaporware | [19:50] |
chmod755 | i'm waiting for mark to say something on the subject before commenting | [19:50] |
Bugpowder | Bitcoin-assets consensus take : http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/19boiu/coinlab_bringing_bitcoin_to_wall_street_with/c8mmwbl | [19:51] |
thestringpuller | lol | [19:51] |
chmod755 | bitcoin is on wall street.... *occupy* wall street.... | [19:51] |
chmod755 | lol | [19:52] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;ticker | [19:52] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.31365, Best ask: 31.41000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09635, Last trade: 31.42000, 24 hour volume: 28018.45963541, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 31.42000, 24 hour vwap: 31.12569 | [19:52] |
chmod755 | >$40MM << what is $xMM? | [19:53] |
chmod755 | :p | [19:53] |
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chmod755 | mt.gox is still tiny | [19:54] |
thestringpuller | the price will close at 42 this month | [19:54] |
thestringpuller | jldklfjs | [19:54] |
chmod755 | ;;eightball will the price close at 42 this month? | [19:54] |
gribble | You know the answer better than I. | [19:54] |
chmod755 | ikr^ | [19:55] |
chmod755 | ^_^ | [19:55] |
Bugpowder | MM is standard for million | [19:56] |
chmod755 | Bugpowder, oic, i thought it's just 40m | [19:56] |
Bugpowder | which of you assholes has been downvoting my comment. | [19:56] |
* | chmod755 downvotes 'cause you called everyone here asshole^ | [19:57] |
chmod755 | :p | [19:57] |
jcpham | if coinlab doesn't roll out a hpc client, they fail | [19:57] |
jcpham | their pool hashrate is nil | [19:57] |
chmod755 | lmao 4 downvotes | [19:57] |
Bugpowder | I only really see MM used as an abbrev for millions in a finance context. | [19:57] |
jcpham | "I suspect that coinlab has burnt thru most of their funding without having launched any products, and are now desperately trying to get some press for another funding round before they go under." | [19:58] |
jcpham | IN 2011, miners raped coinlab for 95% | [19:58] |
jcpham | when the block reward halved, we gamed their PPS until it was unprofitable | [19:58] |
kakobrekla | its 2013 now | [19:58] |
Bugpowder | ohhhh | [19:58] |
kakobrekla | wasnt that 2012 | [19:58] |
jcpham | now it's no longer even profitable to mine there | [19:58] |
jcpham | even with their bonus PPS | [19:58] |
dub | I like how the glbse logo | [19:59] |
Bugpowder | that would be a great nugget for the reddit discorse. | [19:59] |
jcpham | you lose money mining and their pool hashrate is literally nothing | [19:59] |
jcpham | they need to release a client that allows gpou miners to get paid | [19:59] |
jcpham | otherwise they are dead | [19:59] |
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jcpham | 2012 kakobrekla | [20:00] |
jcpham | u so right | [20:00] |
kakobrekla | hey i know my years. | [20:00] |
kakobrekla | years | [20:00] |
jcpham | that's the year the mayans came | [20:00] |
jcpham | i'll never forget | [20:00] |
kakobrekla | you mean went? | [20:00] |
chmod755 | jcpham, yeah, but nobody realized that we all died and the world ended | [20:01] |
jcpham | satoshi knows | [20:01] |
mod6 | (09:41) < mircea_popescu> mod6 maybe you should start a blog << maybe i do need a new venue for this kinda thing | [20:02] |
jcpham | i plan to blog the things one day | [20:02] |
mod6 | I'm not much of a writer though. | [20:03] |
jcpham | i do not, however, intend to charge people "credits" to simply read my words | [20:03] |
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dub | blog at me bro | [20:14] |
Bugpowder | only thing worse than a blogger is someone planning on blogging | [20:15] |
dub | jcpham: do you even blog? | [20:15] |
mod6 | YOU'RE NOT A WRITER, YOU'RE A KILLER! | [20:16] |
jcpham | not really | [20:16] |
jcpham | jcph.am is a wordpress blog though | [20:17] |
mod6 | you ever see Full Metal Jacket? | [20:17] |
mod6 | good show | [20:17] |
mircea_popescu | no srsly, MM is NOT standard for mn. | [20:20] |
kakobrekla | but we write MIRRION DORRA | [20:21] |
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mircea_popescu | jcpham actually bitcoin magazine is quickly becoming a sort of elephant cemetery | [20:21] |
dub | I blogged once | [20:21] |
mircea_popescu | where hype things go to die. | [20:21] |
dub | I was blogging on geocities when you where crapping in your hands and rubbing it in your face | [20:22] |
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mircea_popescu | that's unlikely dubsy. | [20:22] |
dub | dude best gary busey line in a movie ever | [20:23] |
mircea_popescu | fuck me it's busey. That's unlikely dubsey* | [20:23] |
Bugpowder | It's not SI, but it is common use in finance. | [20:23] |
Bugpowder | ;;asks 32 | [20:24] |
gribble | There are currently 19178.646 bitcoins offered at or under 32.0 USD, worth 611487.663102 USD in total. | [20:24] |
Bugpowder | shrinkage | [20:24] |
kakobrekla | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_709-UY_kyd8/SXk9LNp3hZI/AAAAAAAAACc/IvRE5GG9q1g/s400/you-want-mirron-dollar.jpg | [20:24] |
error4733 | ;;asks 31.97 | [20:24] |
gribble | There are currently 15678.665 bitcoins offered at or under 31.97 USD, worth 499487.858446 USD in total. | [20:24] |
jcpham | dub: http://jcph.am/2013/02/27/do-i-blog/ | [20:24] |
dub | ;;t | [20:24] |
gribble | do i blog? | jcph.am | [20:24] |
mod6 | lol geocities | [20:26] |
dub | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS_6mR82eQk 0:45 | [20:27] |
mod6 | point break is pretty awesome | [20:27] |
Bugpowder | jcpham: you like MiHKAL's latest mix? https://soundcloud.com/mihkal/th-d-ip | [20:28] |
jcpham | Bugpowder listening now | [20:29] |
jcpham | unfamiliar | [20:29] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [+] | [20:30] |
jcpham | i recognize some of the mixes in this set though | [20:30] |
Bugpowder | I love his older mixes. | [20:30] |
jcpham | looks like me | [20:30] |
jcpham | looks like something i'd rock out to | [20:30] |
Bugpowder | He was more purple music, westcoast midtempo shit with some rapping remix stuff, which sorta presages the latest trap trend really well. | [20:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 4 @ 0.01 = 0.04 BTC [+] | [20:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00629 BTC [-] | [20:35] |
mod6 | 4 | [20:39] |
mod6 | oh shit. random acts of cat. | [20:39] |
dub | I'll say it again, fuck. trap. | [20:40] |
dub | I take better sounding shits | [20:41] |
mod6 | o.0 | [20:41] |
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Eduard_Munteanu | Any idea when asicminer is going to get listed? | [20:49] |
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ThickAsThieves | dunno for sure yet Ed, they give status updates on Thursday, I know they intend to put their own exchange up before dividends are due, | [20:58] |
ThickAsThieves | but who knows | [20:58] |
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thestringpuller | ;;bids 30 | [21:06] |
gribble | There are currently 10156.462 bitcoins demanded at or over 30.0 USD, worth 311026.132877 USD in total. | [21:06] |
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Bugpowder | asks are melting | [21:18] |
Bugpowder | 6,000 BTC of asks below 32 disappered in the last 2 hours | [21:18] |
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error4733 | ;;asks 31.97 | [21:28] |
gribble | There are currently 13148.162 bitcoins offered at or under 31.97 USD, worth 418585.522518 USD in total. | [21:28] |
dub | we goin downtown bitch | [21:34] |
dub | on the station that plays only platinum hits, if you lickin nuts, double you balls | [21:34] |
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aethero | ~1.25 left until next ZIGGAP release on BitFunder | [21:43] |
error4733 | https://forums.butterflylabs.com/dbtgallery.php?do=gallery_image&id=588&gal=gallery&type=full | [21:45] |
error4733 | BFL are real ! | [21:45] |
error4733 | next year ! | [21:46] |
jcpham | looks like more unfinished work to me | [21:46] |
jcpham | another picture of work that remains to be done | [21:46] |
Bugpowder | many things can go wrong in the bumping process. | [21:46] |
error4733 | cant belive they're happy to show a pictures after 9 month | [21:46] |
Bugpowder | It took our project 9 months and a change of vendors to get our chips properly bumped. | [21:47] |
error4733 | +10 bug | [21:47] |
error4733 | wich one ? | [21:47] |
Bugpowder | It was probably a more complex issue | [21:47] |
Bugpowder | custom silicon probes for chronic in vivo neural recording | [21:47] |
kakobrekla | http://bitbet.us/bitbet_new_asic_pwns_bfl.jpg | [21:48] |
Bugpowder | like its a more 'custom' thing | [21:48] |
kakobrekla | me too! | [21:48] |
Bugpowder | but it still was SUPPOSED to be easy | [21:48] |
Bugpowder | the bumping part that is | [21:48] |
Bugpowder | and the vendor blew it | [21:48] |
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error4733 | realy curious about all this ! diff, rally if they ship, avalon, etc | [21:50] |
error4733 | full of dramaqueen | [21:51] |
dub | forum ad: Advertisement: I HATE TABLES I HATE TABLES I HA(.°.°... ... TABLES I HATE TABLES I HATE TABLES | [21:51] |
dub | how much did they pay for that? | [21:51] |
kakobrekla | now its also irc ad. | [21:51] |
dub | and its not a link in either! | [21:52] |
jurov | *sigh* just came home... was blocking the elevator 10 minutes | [21:53] |
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jcpham | asicminer was close to 5TH/s last time i looked | [21:53] |
jurov | cuz neighbor convincing me the banks want to crash all existing currencies to create a unified world currency | [21:53] |
jurov | in 10 years. and i couldn't explain to him they will get obsolete by that time | [21:54] |
jcpham | i think the united states is the only country interested in unifying the world | [21:56] |
jcpham | currency/government/law/whatever | [21:56] |
chmod755 | wat? | [21:56] |
jcpham | illuminati->united states-> united nations-> galactic alliance | [21:56] |
jcpham | i think i've made my point | [21:56] |
chmod755 | ..... | [21:57] |
jcpham | i am atlas | [21:57] |
error4733 | ;;asks 31.68 | [21:57] |
gribble | There are currently 145.92166 bitcoins offered at or under 31.68 USD, worth 4610.13055542 USD in total. | [21:57] |
chmod755 | ;;asks 9000 | [21:58] |
gribble | There are currently 79821.88 bitcoins offered at or under 9000.0 USD, worth 7849274.53213 USD in total. | [21:58] |
jurov | lol they end up being bought by romania.. with mircea as president | [21:58] |
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jurov | bugpowder ragequit? | [21:58] |
darkmethod | ;;asks 1000 | [22:02] |
gribble | There are currently 79422.474 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 5916315.03342 USD in total. | [22:02] |
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ThickAsThieves | http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog/techflash/2013/02/coinstar-adding-paypal-features-to.html?ana=RSS | [22:38] |
kakobrekla | who runs bitcoin.it wiki | [22:49] |
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jurov | what do you think about bet: CoinLab will close or cease bitcoin payments by June ? | [22:55] |
jurov | just putting it together | [22:55] |
mircea_popescu | jurov make a deadpool | [22:56] |
mircea_popescu | i think there should be deadpool style betting | [22:56] |
jurov | how to apply it to coinlab? | [22:57] |
mircea_popescu | DEADPOOL : Coinlab dead by the end of the year. | [22:58] |
mircea_popescu | something | [22:58] |
mircea_popescu | (they won't die by june, as their burn rate isn't quite enough) | [22:58] |
kakobrekla | Deadpool (Wade Winston Wilson) is a fictional character, a mercenary and anti-hero appearing in comic books published by Marvel Comics. Created by artist Rob Liefeld and writer Fabian Nicieza, Deadpool first appeared in The New Mutants #98 (Feb. 1991). | [23:00] |
kakobrekla | hm? | [23:00] |
kakobrekla | Deadpool now kills btc mining pools? | [23:01] |
kakobrekla | https://www.bitmit.net/en/item/8742-1-gram-silver-trading-card | [23:05] |
kakobrekla | wtf | [23:05] |
mod6 | hmm, some sort of app promo thingy. | [23:07] |
mod6 | has anyone ever gotten good delivery from bitmit? | [23:07] |
mod6 | i haven't used it yet. | [23:07] |
jurov | bet posted, has "nefario clause" too lol | [23:07] |
jurov | for review | [23:07] |
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error4733 | some issue about the owner | [23:09] |
error4733 | if you dont know where you send money for escrow, better to play at satoshi dice | [23:10] |
error4733 | so i wait until, they refund all account etc... before risk myself in it | [23:11] |
error4733 | shame bc a ebay like with good trust have a HUUUUUUUUUUUGGeeeeeeee potential | [23:11] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00889 BTC [-] | [23:11] |
Ukto | [14:53] |
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jurov | they basically don't know what they're doing.. and apparently they cancel orders anytime when mtgox goes up | [23:13] |
Ukto | 0,o | [23:13] |
jurov | quite a mess... so decided bet may be in good order | [23:13] |
Ukto | I was actually talking to an old friend of mine that uses them on an extremely large website | [23:14] |
Ukto | whos considering moving over to weex as soon as I make it ready | [23:14] |
Ukto | only 364k shares left. https://bitfunder.com/asset/ZigGap | [23:15] |
jurov | oh they're selling at same price as in sunday? | [23:22] |
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Ukto | nah, 2x more | [23:23] |
Ukto | was 0.00005 now its 0.0001 | [23:23] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C370N] 2 @ 0.15307998 = 0.3062 BTC | [23:26] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 51 @ 0.0063799 = 0.3254 BTC [+] | [23:28] |
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jurov | thought live.coinbr seized again... but there just wasn't any trade | [23:31] |
jurov | anyone has a clue why? | [23:31] |
pigeons | omg ICE seized coinbr.com? ;) | [23:32] |
jurov | there was almost no mpex trade overall, not just coinbr... so it was prolly seized, too :D | [23:33] |
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pigeons | yeah mpex volume sure has been low | [23:49] |
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ThickAsThieves | SDICE divs are coming up, one whale bought all the MPOE, and BBET has no divs | [23:51] |
ThickAsThieves | guessing | [23:51] |
kakobrekla | this one is going nicley too | [23:53] |
kakobrekla | http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/ | [23:53] |
kakobrekla | 1:5 , but a small sample | [23:53] |
kakobrekla | if this goes on theyll get their own category | [23:54] |
Bugpowder | well | [23:57] |
Bugpowder | looking more legit | [23:57] |
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Bugpowder | http://coinlab.com/new-transition | [23:59] |
Bugpowder | http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/19boiu/coinlab_bringing_bitcoin_to_wall_street_with/c8mtykq | [23:59] |
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