Forum logs for 27 Dec 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92623 @ 0.00049968 = 46.2819 BTC [-] {3} [00:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143915 @ 0.00049935 = 71.864 BTC [-] {5} [00:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73346 @ 0.0004993 = 36.6217 BTC [-] {2} [00:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52942 @ 0.00049915 = 26.426 BTC [-] [00:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00050397 = 13.1536 BTC [+] [00:23]
BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3515 [00:34]
assbot JL: ‘Safety Knowledge’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQJk4h ) [00:34]
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thestringpuller ;;ticker [00:39]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 419.33, Best ask: 419.72, Bid-ask spread: 0.39000, Last trade: 419.34, 24 hour volume: 101788.25527735, 24 hour low: 405.5, 24 hour high: 452.7, 24 hour vwap: None [00:39]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [00:49]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 418.32, vol: 27450.52215391 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 414.668, vol: 16501.33529 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 419.11, vol: 101788.25527735 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 422.35, vol: 6.95928143 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 409.47543, vol: 122320.52750000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 418.49, vol: 226.08512349 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 412.86224, vol: 137.65795311 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) [00:49]
BingoBoingo ;;more [00:49]
gribble average: 414.362163198 [00:49]
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BingoBoingo Looks what happens after the AWS block script https://archive.is/NIB3C [00:52]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1R1ScZv ) [00:52]
BingoBoingo !up BashCo [00:52]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 163800 @ 0.00050398 = 82.5519 BTC [+] {2} [01:04]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84450 @ 0.00050838 = 42.9327 BTC [+] {2} [01:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36976 @ 0.00050995 = 18.8559 BTC [+] [01:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70600 @ 0.00050981 = 35.9926 BTC [-] {2} [02:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85273 @ 0.00051083 = 43.56 BTC [+] {2} [02:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53027 @ 0.00051151 = 27.1238 BTC [+] [02:20]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83250 @ 0.00050255 = 41.8373 BTC [-] [02:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48368 @ 0.00050211 = 24.2861 BTC [-] {2} [03:05]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124650 @ 0.00050966 = 63.5291 BTC [+] {3} [03:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39812 @ 0.00050895 = 20.2623 BTC [-] {3} [03:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 284188 @ 0.0005118 = 145.4474 BTC [+] {5} [03:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57800 @ 0.00051205 = 29.5965 BTC [+] [04:09]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108600 @ 0.00050527 = 54.8723 BTC [-] [04:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00050527 = 6.6948 BTC [-] [04:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65400 @ 0.00051205 = 33.4881 BTC [+] [04:47]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45550 @ 0.00051205 = 23.3239 BTC [+] [05:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 263499 @ 0.00050166 = 132.1869 BTC [-] {6} [05:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76600 @ 0.00049881 = 38.2088 BTC [-] {2} [05:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104401 @ 0.00049866 = 52.0606 BTC [-] {3} [05:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00050221 = 18.4813 BTC [+] [05:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00050221 = 12.7561 BTC [+] [05:53]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47599 @ 0.00049857 = 23.7314 BTC [-] {3} [06:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86216 @ 0.00049855 = 42.983 BTC [-] [06:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29784 @ 0.00049844 = 14.8455 BTC [-] {2} [06:29]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30247 @ 0.00050086 = 15.1495 BTC [+] [07:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 168363 @ 0.00049798 = 83.8414 BTC [-] {4} [07:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81303 @ 0.00050086 = 40.7214 BTC [+] [07:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28473 @ 0.00050221 = 14.2994 BTC [+] [07:23]
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deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.22257398 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b16 [07:42]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43850 @ 0.00049739 = 21.8106 BTC [-] [07:42]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [08:06]
gribble Current Blocks: 390468 | Current Difficulty: 9.34486707963238E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 391103 | Next Difficulty In: 635 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 1 hour, 37 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [08:06]
BingoBoingo Looks leik a lotta hash came online [08:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 174300 @ 0.00049824 = 86.8432 BTC [+] {3} [08:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113500 @ 0.00049733 = 56.447 BTC [-] {2} [08:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99766 @ 0.00049652 = 49.5358 BTC [-] {2} [08:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 155159 @ 0.00050036 = 77.6354 BTC [+] [09:08]
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adlai gpg: public key decryption failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device [09:21]
adlai ;;seen mike_c [09:21]
gribble mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 weeks, 2 days, 11 hours, 5 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: let's get that thing out the door and get alf some goddamn bitcoin already [09:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120382 @ 0.00050119 = 60.3343 BTC [+] {4} [09:21]
adlai ;;isup btcalpha.com [09:21]
gribble btcalpha.com is up [09:21]
adlai lies, gribble. RIP best mpex charting site [09:21]
adlai ("There's money to be made here, and you're not going to be making it by waiting.") [09:22]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell mike_c hey btcalpha's 500'd. [09:25]
gribble The operation succeeded. [09:25]
mircea_popescu le suck. i hope he's ok. [09:25]
adlai maybe just pancaked, but it's not always terminal :- [09:31]
* adlai is left, for lack of charts, trying to figure out the mysteries of trilema's vanishing divs [09:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00050154 = 8.4259 BTC [+] {3} [09:34]
jurov gribble says "error 500? but it's alive, that's all what counts." [09:38]
jurov adlai and what mysteries? [09:38]
mircea_popescu this guy has a torid love affair with the vague. [09:41]
adlai vague like the mona lisa smirk of the lady who doesn't belong in bitcoin [09:42]
* adlai would hotlink but maybe that ruins the fun [09:43]
jurov orly, vague? why don't you play eulora, then? [09:44]
mircea_popescu nono, vague the other way. [09:45]
mircea_popescu he wants to RUN it, not play it. [09:45]
adlai !s from:jurov play trade [09:45]
assbot 1 results for 'from:jurov play trade' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Ajurov+play+trade [09:45]
adlai "i'll play with my food once i've eaten my toys" [09:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144750 @ 0.00050334 = 72.8585 BTC [+] {3} [09:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46647 @ 0.00049631 = 23.1514 BTC [-] {3} [09:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44403 @ 0.00050421 = 22.3884 BTC [+] [10:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4447 @ 0.00049712 = 2.2107 BTC [-] [10:27]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141100 @ 0.00051175 = 72.2079 BTC [+] {5} [10:31]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90300 @ 0.00051214 = 46.2462 BTC [+] {4} [10:32]
mircea_popescu hey BingoBoingo do you happen to recall that article in the logs where some honcho at walmart discussed how people mill around in the stoire the midnight before ebt time ? [10:52]
BingoBoingo lemme retrieve some candidates [10:52]
BingoBoingo http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3467 ? [10:53]
assbot JL: Of Kings and Queens ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9KDOp ) [10:53]
BingoBoingo @s walmart [10:53]
BingoBoingo !s walmart [10:53]
assbot 147 results for 'walmart' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=walmart [10:53]
mircea_popescu "Once the clock strikes midnight and EBT cards are charged, you can see our results start to tick up," says Tom Schoewe, Wal-Mart Stores Inc's chief financial officer. [10:54]
mircea_popescu heh [10:54]
mircea_popescu nah it was someone from walmart. [10:54]
BingoBoingo http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-foodstamps-idUSTRE5BH2C220091218 [10:54]
assbot Midnight in the food-stamp economy [10:55]
mircea_popescu aha [10:55]
punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXH6Uh8UwAEnjY_.jpg:large [11:04]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vlawx8 ) [11:04]
punkman "Dancers from China's National Pole Dance Team performs in Beiji village, the nation's most northerly point" [11:04]
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thestringpuller ;;ticker [11:18]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 417.62, Best ask: 417.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.37000, Last trade: 417.55, 24 hour volume: 53425.91412428, 24 hour low: 405.5, 24 hour high: 425.43, 24 hour vwap: None [11:18]
thestringpuller ;;hashrate [11:19]
gribble Error: "hashrate" is not a valid command. [11:19]
thestringpuller ;;nethash [11:19]
gribble 837554982.002 [11:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00050607 = 4.4534 BTC [-] {2} [11:20]
mircea_popescu china will prolly rock i na decade. [11:25]
thestringpuller dunno. heard shanghai ain't good for asthma. I'll wait until someone invents air scrubbers. [11:26]
punkman https://twitter.com/JRKaiman/status/680342696662138882 [11:26]
punkman "one of Beijing's top restaurants" [11:27]
thestringpuller Whoa. Coinbase is getting DDOSED. [11:27]
thestringpuller punkman: does that mean the air in the restaurant? [11:28]
punkman supposedly [11:28]
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thestringpuller ;;later tell mike_c BTCAlpha is down. 500 internal error. [12:05]
gribble The operation succeeded. [12:05]
thestringpuller ;;isup btcalpha.com [12:05]
gribble btcalpha.com is up [12:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105500 @ 0.00050621 = 53.4052 BTC [+] {3} [12:07]
thestringpuller Everyone is playing Crucible on r/btc and this pops up: "Playing witchhunt roulette, are we? Then I say: something something Mircea Popescu something." [12:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80900 @ 0.00049992 = 40.4435 BTC [-] {3} [12:30]
jurov bitchhunt [12:30]
deedbot- [Trilema] Okcupid.com, the dating site. - http://trilema.com/2015/okcupidcom-the-dating-site/ [12:32]
jurov wow deedbot-'s trigger word? [12:33]
jurov !b 4 [12:33]
assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0ARS40T.txt ) [12:33]
BingoBoingo wow [12:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67300 @ 0.00049877 = 33.5672 BTC [-] {4} [12:48]
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mircea_popescu !up Guest90279 [13:05]
-assbot- You voiced Guest90279 for 30 minutes. [13:05]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/ciudateii-astia-cu-hb95-urile/#selection-85.0-85.42 << epic shit from long ago. [13:07]
assbot Ciudateii astia cu HB9.5-urile on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pqlhfo ) [13:07]
jurov https://jochen-hoenicke.de/trezor-power-analysis/ as predicted by alf [13:11]
assbot Extracting the Private Key from a TREZOR ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pqlzmv ) [13:11]
mircea_popescu aww [13:14]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178228 @ 0.00050827 = 90.5879 BTC [+] {4} [13:18]
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mircea_popescu !up ahmed_ [13:47]
-assbot- You voiced ahmed_ for 30 minutes. [13:47]
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thestringpuller oh wow. ALF was right on the money using DPA to break the trezor. [13:51]
mircea_popescu iirc the point wasn't controversial. [13:51]
BingoBoingo The controversy was if anyone would care enough to do it [14:00]
shinohai http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/02/02/british-army-creates-facebook-soldiers-brigade_n_6592564.html <<< LOL [14:02]
assbot British Army Creates Brigade Of Facebook Soldiers ... ( http://bit.ly/22tF3Oj ) [14:02]
BingoBoingo From the mines: "I didn't know if I wanted to laugh or cry when I went to a class to make sure we knew about this special equipment locked away in out large hospital and how to get/order it. Plus we were told we weren't allowed to call them anything but "bariatric" for fear that the patient or family might overhear it called the "big boy" chair or the 1000lb lift sling, or the XXXXL whatever. " [14:03]
thestringpuller PSA: Bitnodes units shipped with 64GB SD cards will reach capacity in next few days. << L0L [14:09]
mircea_popescu da fuck ? the chain's well over 150gb [14:10]
mircea_popescu !up asciilifeform [14:11]
-assbot- You voiced asciilifeform for 30 minutes. [14:11]
* assbot gives voice to asciilifeform [14:11]
asciilifeform ty mircea_popescu [14:11]
mircea_popescu you and your weird ideas about keys. [14:12]
shinohai LOL [14:12]
asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/25MGHBZ for everybody else [14:12]
assbot dpaste: 25MGHBZ ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBZZqD ) [14:12]
mircea_popescu psa : do not use the gpg supplied mechanism for "key expiration", or anything else from there as far as "key management" goes for that matter. [14:12]
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thestringpuller !up Quent [14:15]
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Quent you guys behind these DDoses? [14:15]
Quent obviously I don't expect truthful statements [14:16]
Quent but thought to give you the opportunity to deny it and show just how elite you are... [14:16]
asciilifeform the ddos of trilema ? qntra ? [14:16]
Quent personally I suspect Peter Todd and btcdrak [14:17]
Quent ddos of coinbase [14:17]
Quent and XT nodes before that [14:17]
Quent and Slush pool [14:17]
* asciilifeform apparently slept through this [14:17]
punkman assbot is behind it all! [14:17]
Quent I don't think you guys have the brains or funds to carry out these DDoses [14:17]
asciilifeform there are how many - 1000 ? xt nodes ? [14:17]
asciilifeform and all were ddosed ? [14:17]
Quent yes [14:18]
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Quent i mean [14:18]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: there is only 480 listed xtnodes [14:18]
Quent your leader offered what [14:18]
Quent 1 btc ahaha [14:18]
Quent 1btc to erm kill sipa I think [14:18]
Quent 1 btc ahaha [14:18]
Quent such elite ahaha [14:19]
thestringpuller !down Quent [14:19]
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thestringpuller okay enough of that [14:19]
asciilifeform long ago, after the failed american invasion of cuba at the bay of pigs, usg offered a million for the head of castro's #2, half a million for #3, and a penny for castro's [14:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.0005066 = 8.4602 BTC [-] [14:21]
thestringpuller now he pollutes my pm [14:22]
thestringpuller mr. spam comes in many forms. [14:22]
shinohai https://twitter.com/BryceWeiner/status/681159188429582336 << [14:22]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354327 << dpa is not only not my idea, but it pre-dates the computer (see, e.g., https://fveydocs.org/document/learning-enemy-gunman concerning typewriters, or the soviet cipher machines that had ballast coils) [14:23]
thestringpuller shinohai: "two bit idiot likes this tweet" [14:23]
assbot Logged on 27-12-2015 16:46:59; thestringpuller: oh wow. ALF was right on the money using DPA to break the trezor. [14:23]
shinohai xD [14:23]
asciilifeform (and also i will add that trezor has a considerably simpler orifice, but we digress, folks who read the logz know what it is) [14:24]
thestringpuller will cardano be vulnerable to DPA? [14:26]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: it runs on batteries. [14:27]
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thestringpuller iirc anything with batteries is susceptible? [14:27]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: if you have trouble sourcing batteries not containing usg dpa circuitry, invest in a dental xray machine [14:27]
thestringpuller or am I misinformed... [14:27]
thestringpuller ^-wherefor? [14:28]
asciilifeform i suppose i ought to explain dpa as a thing [14:28]
* thestringpuller pulls up a chair and listens. [14:28]
asciilifeform if someone walks away with your cipher machine while you sleep, and he has half a brain, he will have your key [14:28]
asciilifeform at the very least, he can make use of it using the machine as it was designed to be used [14:29]
asciilifeform the scenario of a dpa attack is where you have possession of the machine, but the enemy controls the power supply [14:29]
asciilifeform e.g., a typewriter in an embassy, and enemy attached a precision ampermeter to your mains [14:29]
asciilifeform or, in modern times, you plug your box into a usb jack in a cafe [14:30]
asciilifeform as i pointed out a year+ ago, a trezor plugged into a specially-instrumented but visually uninteresting pc will give up its key. [14:33]
asciilifeform most of the extant literature concerning dpa is about extracting firmware from copyprotected microcontrollers in a laboratory setting [14:34]
asciilifeform a very different sort of affair, but same method. [14:34]
BingoBoingo in lighter news https://archive.is/G5IC1 [14:34]
asciilifeform ugh [14:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54200 @ 0.00050643 = 27.4485 BTC [-] {3} [14:35]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354334 << ~92 GB [14:36]
assbot Logged on 27-12-2015 17:05:53; mircea_popescu: da fuck ? the chain's well over 150gb [14:36]
asciilifeform or hm, ~68 [14:37]
asciilifeform was counting a bloated debug.log [14:37]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354298 << how's that ? they will move the belching smokestacks to usaschwitz ? [14:39]
assbot Logged on 27-12-2015 14:20:56; mircea_popescu: china will prolly rock i na decade. [14:39]
asciilifeform in other lulz, [14:42]
asciilifeform https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/pull/1178 [14:42]
assbot Remove Coinbase from the "Choose your Wallet" page by Cobra-Bitcoin · Pull Request #1178 · bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pr9HCz ) [14:42]
asciilifeform 'It is about sending a strong message. I think we may need to start an accreditation scheme for Bitcoin-consensus compliant wallets and services. Through code signing and use of multisig, we can even distinguish transactions made by compliant wallets and non-compliant wallets, and have pools not mine them (or wallets refuse to send to known-non-compliant wallets).' [14:42]
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shinohai !up asciilifeform [14:44]
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VariaVarietatis Has anyone heard about something that around the t0 and t1 vertebra and lets you talk without talking? [14:58]
BingoBoingo Yes. Oscilliscope works for this. [15:01]
BingoBoingo Plug one in and try it [15:02]
asciilifeform VariaVarietatis: 'subvocal speech recognition' [15:02]
asciilifeform old nyooz. [15:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12553 @ 0.00050893 = 6.3886 BTC [+] {2} [15:03]
VariaVarietatis asciilifeform: you have one? [15:03]
asciilifeform nope [15:03]
asciilifeform afaik there is not a commercial gadget for subvocal [15:04]
asciilifeform why do you need this ? got some prisoners who like to subvocalize launch codes in their sleep ? [15:04]
VariaVarietatis Yes, they are pretty nice been using one for a two months turns out everyone seems to have them was last one in on them. [15:08]
BingoBoingo !b 5 [15:09]
assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3KAQJ9R.txt ) [15:09]
VariaVarietatis asciilifeform: someone told me you made the best version based on the fsb/spetsnaz plans true? [15:12]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all --currency gbp [15:13]
gribble Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 282.04204, vol: 9711.26453368 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 281.950376, vol: 7614.49142 | CampBX BTCGBP last: 276.34, vol: 1.22437492 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 280.043414, vol: 56101.16990000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 275.02802, vol: 0.0103525 | Bitcoin-Central BTCGBP last: 288.514528013, vol: 45.23474211 | Volume-weighted last average: 280.510363074 [15:13]
jurov yes spetsnaz gave him plans when he was 10 and emigrated to USA [15:13]
BingoBoingo OMG CRASHING [15:13]
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VariaVarietatis heard they have been in use for 10-15 years. at this point. [15:15]
jurov !t m x.eur [15:15]
assbot [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00255064 / 0.00259203 / 0.00262332 (887 shares, 2.30 BTC), 7D: 0.00238552 / 0.00247328 / 0.00262332 (4223 shares, 10.44 BTC), 30D: 0.00061753 / 0.00213157 / 0.00282306 (12305 shares, 26.23 BTC) [15:15]
jurov ;;calc 1/0.00061753 [15:15]
gribble 1619.35452529 [15:15]
jurov orly [15:15]
jurov VariaVarietatis: [citation needed] [15:16]
jurov anyone: before panic selling x.eur at 4x the value, please consult me first [15:17]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [15:18]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 418.46, vol: 9641.91363683 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 418.325, vol: 7562.51257 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 418.01, vol: 38030.8102987 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 410.0, vol: 1.22437492 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 415.058553, vol: 56037.40040000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 422.41286, vol: 47.54402785 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 428.052914229, vol: 45.23474211 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) [15:18]
BingoBoingo ;;more [15:18]
gribble average: 416.591114115 [15:18]
BingoBoingo !up asciilifeform [15:19]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354419 << ahahahahaha wut. [15:19]
assbot Logged on 27-12-2015 18:08:33; VariaVarietatis: asciilifeform: someone told me you made the best version based on the fsb/spetsnaz plans true? [15:19]
* asciilifeform wonders what other 'best versions' and of what he makes with 'fsb spetznaz plans', and according to whom. [15:20]
BingoBoingo Laser Mosin? [15:23]
jurov it's quite plausible explanation of your shiva hands. you work using hands, while subvocalising on irc at the same time (or other way around) [15:23]
asciilifeform not far off, l0l [15:23]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354440 << http://i.imgur.com/9GeH4.jpg [15:24]
assbot Logged on 27-12-2015 18:19:05; BingoBoingo: Laser Mosin? [15:24]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIYhrt ) [15:24]
BingoBoingo lol [15:24]
asciilifeform http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/10/08/soviet-laser-pistol << famous useless weapon [15:24]
assbot The Soviet Laser Pistol - The Firearm Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIYnzo ) [15:24]
VariaVarietatis Gotta look into it more stuck on a shit server atm bbl [15:24]
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asciilifeform https://cryptome.org/2015/12/nyc-spynet.jpg << from the l0lfarmz [15:44]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJ0GlQ ) [15:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83200 @ 0.00051177 = 42.5793 BTC [+] {3} [15:45]
mircea_popescu personally I suspect Peter Todd and btcdrak << but who the fuck are you to "personally". [15:48]
mircea_popescu screen names are persons now ?! [15:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the belching smokestacks to usaschwitz ? <<< mongolia, india, pakistan, whatevs. africa, argentina, they're looking. [15:51]
asciilifeform didn't mircea_popescu explain earlier that argentines won't work unless bred in captivity for 10,000 yrs - or something [15:51]
mircea_popescu 'It is about sending a strong message. << it is about sending a strong message alright. [15:51]
mircea_popescu apparently all the others somehow got lost in a cloud of "could never happen to me". [15:52]
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mircea_popescu ;;calc 1/0.00253536 [15:54]
gribble 394.421305061 [15:54]
mircea_popescu jurov it's about right no ? [15:54]
thestringpuller "You can't fix a capacity problem with fees. If there are only 20 seats on the bus and 25 people that want to ride there is no ticket price where everyone gets a seat." << I love the lulz on reddit. "We want everyone to be equal because we aren't worth shit in the real world. Treat us fairly!!!!!11" [15:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform argentina is only notable for the landmass. you can fit about five europes in here. [15:55]
punkman "maybe if we stop giving out tickets for free, we'll be able to affor a second bus" [15:55]
mircea_popescu the white chicks currently inhabiting it could be trained to dance, i suppose. if you can teach bears you can probably teach argentines too [15:55]
asciilifeform the 5 can ride as in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2014#544127 [15:55]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2014 01:25:41; asciilifeform: russian derper: 'if we'd let the jerries win, we'd be riding in mercedes benz now!' [15:55]
shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354466 <<< definitely Grade-A popcorn out there today. [15:58]
assbot Logged on 27-12-2015 18:50:33; thestringpuller: "You can't fix a capacity problem with fees. If there are only 20 seats on the bus and 25 people that want to ride there is no ticket price where everyone gets a seat." << I love the lulz on reddit. "We want everyone to be equal because we aren't worth shit in the real world. Treat us fairly!!!!!11" [15:58]
mircea_popescu actually there is a ticket price where everyone WHO SHOULD BE RIDING gets a seat. [15:58]
jurov mircea_popescu: current price is about right. but there were 2 dips in last few months [15:59]
mircea_popescu aha [16:00]
mircea_popescu cheaper and more effectual way to announce that being, of course, having a bid in i guess. [16:00]
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jurov butbutbut... let's have some drama!!!1 [16:02]
jurov besides, i did have bids most of the time. but dude wanted to avoid them or whatevs [16:03]
mircea_popescu maybe you taking them out generated a micropanic [16:04]
jurov hahaha [16:05]
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BingoBoingo !up asciilifeform [16:08]
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BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354184 << In an update on the recruitment suggested by mircea_popescu yesterday, the recruitogram got a twitter like. Not a visit here nor any actual message in reply. [16:15]
assbot Logged on 27-12-2015 02:18:22; BingoBoingo: Recruitogram sent https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/680935415432359936 [16:15]
mircea_popescu well... twitter is a pos social media site... [16:16]
BingoBoingo Well, it's not like I'm going to expend effort to figure out if the medium.com social networking site has a way to shoot recruitograms out. [16:20]
* asciilifeform observes that banning aws has ~increased net throughput~ [16:22]
asciilifeform which is interesting [16:22]
BingoBoingo banning AWS has more assholes sending me bloomfilter requests for their SPV bullshit [16:23]
asciilifeform any reason we don't insta-disconnect these ? [16:24]
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BingoBoingo I know of none, but I've yet to notice any linger once they get all of the copious nothing that they are entitled to [16:25]
asciilifeform is there a particular reason we ought to be wasting any cycles on 'embrace & extend' fucktards ? [16:25]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the way the socket handler works (and fixing this would involve rewriting more or less everything) a 'lingerer' ties up the box. [16:26]
thestringpuller ;;seen irdial [16:26]
gribble irdial was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 49 weeks, 5 days, 21 hours, 16 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ff211e140a17d6846aebcaf83249e5695f1ca5e23862c72443770251 [16:26]
BingoBoingo ah [16:26]
thestringpuller does he even show up in channel anymore? [16:26]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: how aggressively do disconnected nodes attempt to reconnect? [16:28]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: varies [16:29]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the aws box which appeared to exist solely to tie up zoolag - quite aggressively [16:29]
asciilifeform obligatory: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2015#1120634 [16:33]
assbot Logged on 05-05-2015 04:18:35; mircea_popescu: http://travel.smart-guide.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/The-Most-Crowded-Train-in-Pakistan.jpg prolly better [16:33]
ben_vulpes is there reason to suspect that insta-disconnecting nodes will achieve anything rather than queuing the disconnector up for a reconnection shortly? [16:33]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: works best as part of a balanced diet, which includes banhammer [16:34]
asciilifeform but ultimately there is no way around http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-10-2015#1309343 [16:36]
assbot Logged on 27-10-2015 21:46:36; mircea_popescu: providing public services is not merely a waste [16:36]
asciilifeform it is not actually possible to put meat out in the sun 'but not for flies' [16:36]
asciilifeform what however ~is~ possible is to bugspray the current set of flies [16:36]
asciilifeform and make some temporary breathing room. [16:37]
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BingoBoingo !up asciilifeform [16:39]
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asciilifeform often i picture how horrified even the most hardened liberast would be if he could visit a meatspace universe that is as devoid of healthy meat-flies separation as the net is today [16:40]
asciilifeform picture, no such thing as a fine restaurant without stinking beggars and screaming welfare kidz represented 'fairly' [16:40]
asciilifeform and certainly no way to keep non-paying anybody out of nearly anything [16:41]
asciilifeform so the stench of poverty everywhere, without exception [16:41]
asciilifeform and consider how many bodies could physically fit in your living room [16:42]
asciilifeform picture if there were no practical way of keeping them out. [16:42]
asciilifeform does the conductor of that paki train wield a stick with which to dislodge excess 'outdoor passengers' ? [16:44]
asciilifeform or do they fall off on their own as the engine revvs up ? [16:44]
asciilifeform or do they get sheared off at tunnels. [16:44]
BingoBoingo LOOK BRUCE WAGNER is back http://gaysexthailand.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20 [16:45]
assbot How to Use Bitcoin as a Faster Cheaper Easier Western Union - gaysexthailand.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jb1QI3 ) [16:45]
asciilifeform is there a coprophagiaincambodia.com ? [16:46]
asciilifeform fuckamuleinkabul.com ? [16:46]
BingoBoingo ;;isup coprophagiaincambodia.com [16:46]
gribble coprophagiaincambodia.com is down [16:46]
BingoBoingo ;;isup fuckamuleinkabul.com [16:46]
gribble fuckamuleinkabul.com is down [16:46]
BingoBoingo Doesn't seem so [16:47]
BingoBoingo Bruce wagner piece was linked from /r/bitcoin [16:47]
asciilifeform !s bruce wagner [16:47]
assbot 12 results for 'bruce wagner' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bruce+wagner [16:47]
asciilifeform snore. [16:48]
BingoBoingo He was Roger Ver before Roger Ver was Roger Ver [16:49]
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adlai ;;later tell asciilifeform fwiw, proper key management protocol dictates that one mention the new keyid upon registration of the new [16:52]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:52]
asciilifeform adlai: same keyid [16:53]
asciilifeform adlai: yearly expir time increment [16:53]
* adlai can't even begin to fathom the 'key management protocol'resulting in such symptoms [16:58]
asciilifeform adlai: assbot, as i understand, has a manually-curated cache of pubkeys [16:59]
* adlai waits for thereallifeform to see his message [16:59]
asciilifeform so i ride on the outside of the train until kakobrekla wakes. [16:59]
adlai unless he's already riding on the upside of the anthill [16:59]
asciilifeform adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354339 [17:00]
assbot Logged on 27-12-2015 17:07:59; asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/25MGHBZ for everybody else [17:00]
* adlai saw! what else could start such babble [17:00]
* adlai doesn't care, it's not like he needs anything pgp signed from alf. might as well broadcast loper-over-avian-carrier [17:01]
adlai (if anything, this is a symptom of lazyness towards c++ turdballs!) [17:01]
* asciilifeform bbl. [17:05]
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ben_vulpes https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/23/the-feds-just-shut-down-a-huge-program-that-lets-cops-take-your-stuff-and-keep-it/ << forfeiture now a fedz-only game [17:10]
assbot The Justice Department just shut down a huge asset forfeiture program - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jb3ERn ) [17:10]
Duffer1 it's my understanding that they did it for budgetary reasons and may renew the sharing program when the feds plug their shortfall [17:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53400 @ 0.00050405 = 26.9163 BTC [-] {2} [17:19]
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ben_vulpes > plug their shortfall [17:31]
ben_vulpes sure [17:31]
ben_vulpes related: https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=1052&acctid=6209 [17:32]
assbot Large Lot of Assorted Bike Parts/ Accessories!! (GD1052) - GovDeals.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jb53Hz ) [17:32]
punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CW0Gy_hUsAAFx0i.jpg [17:32]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jb54eu ) [17:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82700 @ 0.0005088 = 42.0778 BTC [+] {2} [17:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93989 @ 0.0005069 = 47.643 BTC [-] {2} [17:51]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73700 @ 0.00050438 = 37.1728 BTC [-] {2} [18:07]
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ben_vulpes kindly disregard: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/17d910f1-2ecd-47ac-bf2b-6bc530f3dce9/ [18:36]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCUrw0 ) [18:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00051064 = 16.2894 BTC [+] [18:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118676 @ 0.00051136 = 60.6862 BTC [+] {3} [18:38]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: works best as part of a balanced diet, which includes banhammer << by... ip ? [18:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167000 @ 0.00051207 = 85.5157 BTC [+] {6} [18:48]
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mircea_popescu LOOK BRUCE WAGNER is back << that's probably that goat fuckwit. [18:49]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes << forfeiture now a fedz-only game << in the logs last week! [18:50]
mircea_popescu http://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/dop.png [18:53]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCVNqB ) [18:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00051276 = 13.9471 BTC [+] {2} [18:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58031 @ 0.0005128 = 29.7583 BTC [+] {2} [18:55]
mircea_popescu blast from the past... "This mob mentality may be the end of Bitcoin." http://trilema.com/2013/whats-a-sperglord/#selection-151.223-151.267 [18:57]
assbot What's a SpergLord ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCW6lp ) [18:57]
mircea_popescu anyone recall bitcoinasic.com ? [18:57]
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mircea_popescu http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/09/27/ceos/ << or, for that matter, a very young bb ? [19:01]
assbot CEO | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1Prx0fE ) [19:01]
ben_vulpes wahahahah oh ho [19:13]
ben_vulpes there is a new file in /Applications [19:13]
ben_vulpes "Upgrade to El Capitan" [19:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 249300 @ 0.0005121 = 127.6665 BTC [-] {6} [19:17]
adlai arise, chicgkuun! [19:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 279650 @ 0.00050604 = 141.5141 BTC [-] {5} [19:22]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25050 @ 0.00050899 = 12.7502 BTC [+] {2} [19:36]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131450 @ 0.0005133 = 67.4733 BTC [+] {4} [19:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90550 @ 0.00051346 = 46.4938 BTC [+] {2} [20:00]
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punkman https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ydwg2/warning_abnormally_high_number_of_blocks/ [20:05]
assbot "WARNING: abnormally high number of blocks generated, 48 blocks received in the last 4 hours (24 expected)" : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1VlA65j ) [20:05]
kakobrekla Soviet high-rank bureaucrats often acted like that when they were ordered to design something new. If they couldn’t cope with the task they committed outright forgery and sometimes it even impaired national defense. [20:10]
kakobrekla The required equipment was often purchased abroad and presented as someone’s personal design. By the way, it was common practice in industry throughout the history of the Soviet Union. For example, in the 1980s a computer “EC1841” was designed for military purposes. The designers even managed to get the USSR State Award. Later it turned out that Soviet computer chips had never been designed – they were imported from the [20:10]
kakobrekla USA and embedded in the computer. Original labels were brushed out and Soviet labels were put on the chips instead of them... [20:10]
kakobrekla well that was lulzy. [20:11]
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thestringpuller !gettrust justus_ranvier [20:27]
assbot justus_ranvier is not registered in WoT. [20:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95100 @ 0.00051335 = 48.8196 BTC [-] {4} [20:37]
thestringpuller ;;later tell hanbot thewhet.net is down :( [20:39]
gribble The operation succeeded. [20:39]
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ben_vulpes not from here, thestringpuller [20:53]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354353 << is 'quent' supposed to be a less free version of frequent or a less subsumed version of subsequent ? [20:54]
assbot Logged on 27-12-2015 17:13:39; Quent: I don't think you guys have the brains or funds to carry out these DDoses [20:54]
punkman was probably "quant" but hard not to misspell [20:56]
kakobrekla actually we had this before [20:57]
kakobrekla ;;ud quent [20:57]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=quent | quent. A gentlemanly way of saying cunt! Example Usage: "I kindly ask you to refrain from using my wife's ass in that impertinent manner, you quent!". by stumow ... [20:57]
pete_dushenski l0l! [20:57]
pete_dushenski quent, esq. [20:57]
pete_dushenski http://nautil.us/issue/31/stress/what-i-learned-from-losing-200-million << "...of other people's money." [20:58]
assbot What the Economic Crash of 2008 Taught Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbhrHC ) [20:58]
pete_dushenski "Only by managing that monstrosity through the crisis did I come to fully appreciate how unlike physics markets are, how crucial to outcomes other people and luck are, and how, no matter how hard I worked or how much I prepared, there would always be some things I couldn’t completely fathom." [20:58]
pete_dushenski til 'maya crude' is a thing. [20:58]
pete_dushenski and i called myself an oil country boy... [20:59]
punkman "the quaint quant" would be a good name for a blog [20:59]
pete_dushenski http://quaintwithpaint.com/ << also works. [21:00]
assbot Quaint With Paint ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbhAL5 ) [21:00]
punkman I'd rename that to "I paint old shit" [21:01]
pete_dushenski doesn't quite have the same ring to it [21:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9744 @ 0.00051343 = 5.0029 BTC [+] {2} [21:08]
punkman "Do I have to be a resident of one of the countries mentioned above? No. You can live anywhere in the world, except of Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea or New York State." lol'd [21:12]
punkman (from https://www.cashila.com/faq ) [21:12]
assbot Cashila ... ( http://bit.ly/1NSdowz ) [21:12]
pete_dushenski heh. it begins. [21:13]
kakobrekla thats some derpy slovenian startup. [21:13]
pete_dushenski go smack 'em with a fish then [21:14]
pete_dushenski tell 'em compliance is for bitches [21:14]
pete_dushenski what, vw doesn't comply with regulations. why should a broke-ass start-up ? [21:15]
kakobrekla according to them prouds "Tim Mitja Zagar is co-founder of Cashila, first Bitcoin company in Europe registered as financial institution " [21:15]
pete_dushenski the only thing better than being first is being the last. [21:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39192 @ 0.00051344 = 20.1227 BTC [+] [21:21]
ben_vulpes rebooting an old thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323387: asciilifeform: since a patch has multiple antecedents, would an accurate description of the correct patch-selection algo for press be something along the lines of "given a patch, find its antecedents. presssed version must contain the descendants of all of those antecedents."? [21:22]
assbot Logged on 14-11-2015 02:10:32; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: correct. [21:22]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell adlai what was the story with 'sheeple'? [21:23]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:23]
punkman ben_vulpes: if you want to press a minimal version of a patch, you can recursively find all antecedents of a HEAD patch [21:24]
ben_vulpes minimal doesn't work i don't think [21:25]
ben_vulpes well, by stan's criteria. [21:25]
punkman why not [21:25]
ben_vulpes has to press the same tree as any other v given the same head [21:26]
ben_vulpes there are only 2 ways to guarantee that that i see: [21:26]
ben_vulpes 1) only press the head patch in question (this is how i wrote my press) [21:26]
punkman imagine you have 10 heads, and you choose 3. the only way to press is to find the antecedents of those 3. [21:26]
ben_vulpes 2) press all same-leaf patches [21:26]
ben_vulpes what?! how can there be more than a single head [21:27]
* ben_vulpes may be experiencing a weekend of retardation [21:27]
punkman is not git [21:27]
ben_vulpes or life, who can tell [21:27]
ben_vulpes nigga please, i only have one head. [21:27]
ben_vulpes and i ain't git either. [21:27]
ben_vulpes did pyv press multiple heads?! [21:27]
ben_vulpes nono, pyv only pressed a single head. [21:28]
kakobrekla what, vw doesn't comply with regulations. why should a broke-ass start-up ? < not big enough [21:28]
* ben_vulpes cracks mod6's v to inspect for multiheadpressing [21:28]
ben_vulpes i'm no perlspurt but mod6's only appears to press a single head as well punkman [21:29]
punkman yep [21:30]
ben_vulpes good ol' define-by-impl [21:30]
pete_dushenski kakobrekla: not now, not ever, not at this rate. [21:30]
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ben_vulpes imagine you have 10 heads, and you choose 3. the only way to press is to find the antecedents of those 3. << i don't actually disagree with this, i simply do not think that the design of v allows for multiple heads. do cite me something to the contrary if you're aware of any. [21:32]
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* ben_vulpes could have had a whole bottle of nieto sentenier for what this single glass cost [21:33]
punkman well imagine genesis.vpatch, then foo.vpatch edits bitcoin.cpp and bar.vpatch edits bitcoin.h, which is the head? [21:33]
ben_vulpes whatever the user supplies for pressing, non? [21:34]
ben_vulpes the act of pressing only allows for a single head, regardless of whatever other patches exist. [21:34]
punkman they are both heads [21:34]
trinque seems reasonable to want both in that case. [21:35]
ben_vulpes punkman: but for a given "press"ed source tree /there can only be a single head/, per the implementations that i'm looking at. [21:35]
adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1354636 << dunno man, wewracked the logs and there truly was no mention! [21:35]
assbot Logged on 28-12-2015 00:19:09; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai what was the story with 'sheeple'? [21:35]
ben_vulpes adlai: didn't you work on the thing extensively? [21:35]
adlai you'll just have to read it for yourself, i guess, because i'm not about to sign a single cons of it until i redo that myself :P [21:36]
ben_vulpes what was the /point/ though? and the story behind its conception? [21:36]
adlai it's a giant heap of shit, that yes, i shoveled/pooped/nurtured, in a past life [21:36]
adlai aha [21:36]
* adlai pours another [21:36]
adlai it all began in thefaraway distant land of freenode [21:36]
adlai i mean the thing is amazingly documented, ask specific questions please [21:37]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [21:37]
* ben_vulpes pulls up a -- [21:37]
adlai !b 2 [21:37]
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ben_vulpes goddamnit adlai do you know how much miserable code i have to read? [21:37]
adlai yeah a couple programmer-years according to sloccount iirc [21:37]
ben_vulpes !up asciilifeform [21:38]
* assbot gives voice to asciilifeform [21:38]
ben_vulpes oh god. damnit. assbot. [21:38]
ben_vulpes wait, workz now? [21:38]
* adlai slaps the bot on the ass with a large trout [21:38]
assbot what [21:38]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: are you voiced now? [21:38]
asciilifeform aha [21:38]
kakobrekla he is voiced by you [21:38]
* ben_vulpes does not waste pixels on voice status [21:39]
ben_vulpes ty kakobrekla, much appreciated [21:39]
kakobrekla hey i havent done anything yet [21:39]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: assbot still b0rk3d [21:39]
kakobrekla yea [21:39]
kakobrekla will look into it shortly [21:39]
adlai dude wtf pixels it's exactly one column of termspace [21:39]
adlai ;;rate ben_vulpes -9000 pixel pusher [21:39]
gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. [21:39]
ben_vulpes pff [21:40]
adlai !rate gribble -1 rude af [21:40]
assbot gribble is not registered in WoT. [21:40]
ben_vulpes not under nine thousand [21:40]
* ben_vulpes unimpress [21:40]
ben_vulpes yo asciilifeform can you comment on 'press' thread? [21:40]
adlai ben_vulpes: so whot got you back to sheeple anywaays,googling for toposort impls? [21:40]
ben_vulpes up yrs neckbeard [21:40]
adlai at least add site:stackoverflow [21:41]
adlai saves you the shithub [21:41]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i just read the log. it is yet unclear to me what was asked for [21:41]
asciilifeform what means 'multiple heads' ? [21:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53787 @ 0.00050443 = 27.1318 BTC [-] {3} [21:41]
ben_vulpes ask punkman, not me. [21:41]
asciilifeform the only way you could logically press 'multiple heads' is if the heads are from disjoint trees [21:41]
asciilifeform i thought this was pretty obvious [21:42]
asciilifeform the example i gave earlier (see logz) was if we were to have a documentation dir [21:42]
ben_vulpes my question was determining what patches make it into a pressing. [21:42]
asciilifeform nothing in it would directly depend on anything in the source [21:42]
asciilifeform oh incidentally the current dependency graph walker is in some ways erroneously conservative [21:42]
asciilifeform (and this includes mine) [21:43]
ben_vulpes perhaps this is what confused me [21:43]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: shall i restate the question? [21:43]
mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [21:43]
gribble Current Blocks: 390569 | Current Difficulty: 9.34486707963238E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 391103 | Next Difficulty In: 534 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 14 hours, 31 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [21:43]
asciilifeform in the sense that presently patch Q is said to have patch P as an antecedent if ~any file~ in Q was modified by P [21:43]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: do [21:43]
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ben_vulpes let me double-check some baseline conclusions first [21:44]
ben_vulpes a patch may have multiple antecedents, correct? [21:44]
asciilifeform aha [21:44]
asciilifeform BUT only because a patch can affect multiple files, can it have multiple ~immediate~ antecedents. [21:44]
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ben_vulpes i seek to understand better what same-tree-level means [21:45]
pete_dushenski http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2016/01/rubber-boom-text << another industry dominated by se asia. [21:46]
assbot Why We (Still) Can't Live Without Rubber -- National Geographic Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/22tYFSb ) [21:46]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: 'Back in 1992 $200 billion were stolen from the Central Bank of the Russian Federation with the help of so-called “fake letters of advice”. Russia was on the brink of a financial collapse. The Central Bank was urgently equipped with more than 10 000 encoders manufactured at Russian plants. It helped to prevent thefts. It should be noted that there were no foreign electronic components in the encoders, even keyp [21:46]
asciilifeform ads and displays were manufactured in Russia.' (from your earlier link) - this was maslennikov [21:46]
asciilifeform (who designed the little signature machine) [21:46]
ben_vulpes if i press with a head P that has antecedents Q, R, S, must my press *only* include the descendant P of Q, R, and S? or *all* descendants of Q, R, S? or all descendants of any of Q, R and S? [21:47]
mircea_popescu !up Foo___ [21:47]
-assbot- You voiced Foo___ for 30 minutes. [21:47]
* assbot gives voice to Foo___ [21:47]
kakobrekla i was actually trying to dig up more info on these 'fake letters of advice' yesterday and couldnt find shit. [21:47]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: фальшивые авизо [21:47]
asciilifeform ;;google фальшивые авизо [21:47]
gribble No matches found. [21:47]
asciilifeform wat [21:47]
asciilifeform methinks gribble is ascii-only ? [21:48]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: circa '91-92 about 1/4 to 1/3 of ru national budget was stolen, mainly by chechens [21:48]
* ben_vulpes only online for the duration of this particular bloody mary [21:48]
asciilifeform using very elementary fakes of 'aviso' (bank transfer) [21:48]
adlai ben_vulpes: honestly it's a better story for a blog post! [21:49]
adlai failing a blog post i'll have to deed it instead [21:49]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354604 << just some random noob hitting all the places with his random noobassery. [21:49]
assbot Logged on 27-12-2015 23:50:18; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354353 << is 'quent' supposed to be a less free version of frequent or a less subsumed version of subsequent ? [21:49]
adlai or is deedbot now trademark registry [21:49]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: your question is elementarily answerable by looking at the hashes. each file hash exists solely because it came out of another patch. apply recursively. [21:49]
asciilifeform (process stops when you hit the genesis) [21:49]
ben_vulpes roger [21:50]
ben_vulpes adlai: just don't b42 it yo [21:50]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: roger, ty, loud and clear. [21:51]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: http://www.rumafia.com/en/person.php?id=20 << mentions the aviso scam [21:51]
assbot Russian mafia. I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. The dossier, compromising, News - The Russian mafia, organized crime and corruption. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NSgb97 ) [21:51]
asciilifeform ;;google chechen aviso [21:51]
gribble How Russian Gold Reserve Was Plundered - PravdaReport: ; Dzhabrailov Umar - Russian mafia. I swear to tell the truth, the whole ...: ; Chernoy Mikhail - Russian mafia. I swear to tell the truth, the whole ...: [21:51]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1354631 << and Tim Mitja Zagar is the first guy with a penis. because he's never seen anyone else's. [21:52]
assbot Logged on 28-12-2015 00:11:28; kakobrekla: according to them prouds "Tim Mitja Zagar is co-founder of Cashila, first Bitcoin company in Europe registered as financial institution " [21:52]
adlai ben_vulpes: i would i f i knew the charset [21:52]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: that the aviso debacle took place, is not controversial. the debate among historians appears to be about whether a quarter, third, or even half of the budget was stolen, and whether it even makes a difference precisely how much [21:52]
kakobrekla mkay. [21:53]
ben_vulpes adlai: invent it! [21:53]
kakobrekla i must say that aklepov site is quite interesting. [21:53]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1354663 <<< genesis.patch. [21:53]
assbot Logged on 28-12-2015 00:29:35; punkman: well imagine genesis.vpatch, then foo.vpatch edits bitcoin.cpp and bar.vpatch edits bitcoin.h, which is the head? [21:53]
ben_vulpes no, that's the root. [21:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.00051344 = 10.6025 BTC [+] [21:53]
mircea_popescu ah damn. right. [21:53]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes is correct [21:53]
asciilifeform it is the root [21:53]
* ben_vulpes off [21:54]
asciilifeform a 'head' incidentally is not a fixed item, like in g [21:54]
asciilifeform 'git' [21:54]
asciilifeform or svn [21:54]
mircea_popescu why we even discussing "a head" ? why does it make a difference ? [21:54]
ben_vulpes well git's head is only branch relative non? [21:54]
* ben_vulpes really off now. [21:54]
asciilifeform it is simply the place you grab onto and pull out a sequence [21:54]
punkman head is what gets arbitrarily toposorted to the top? [21:54]
mircea_popescu seems to me it should stay undefined. i just assumed you were discussing roots [21:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you define it when pressing [21:54]
mircea_popescu right [21:54]
asciilifeform the original question appears to be about whether 'v' ought to take multiple arguments for head. and the answer is yes, but i did not write this because we had only one genesis [21:55]
mircea_popescu wait. do i even have to ? "start from here and apply everything from these people" isn't exactly "defined" [21:55]
asciilifeform with multiple genesis (e.g. documentation) it is necessary. [21:55]
mircea_popescu imo it only should take a parameter for root. [21:55]
asciilifeform mno you never 'start from here and apply everything' because there can be mutually exclusive branches [21:55]
mircea_popescu mebbe i misunderstand something ? [21:55]
mircea_popescu ah. [21:55]
asciilifeform think about it [21:55]
mircea_popescu right. one root, multiple leaves yeah. [21:56]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1354670 <<< afaik it's chet's term for sheep-people. [21:56]
assbot Logged on 28-12-2015 00:31:22; assbot: Logged on 28-12-2015 00:19:09; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai what was the story with 'sheeple'? [21:56]
adlai mircea_popescu: afaik you haven't learned lisp yet [21:57]
adlai aka "adlai's term for sheep-people" [21:57]
adlai !b 3 [21:57]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-12-2015#1354595 << incidentally this is a half-truth. 8086 clones were indeed made in su. just not quite on schedule. [21:57]
assbot Logged on 27-12-2015 23:06:44; kakobrekla: The required equipment was often purchased abroad and presented as someone’s personal design. By the way, it was common practice in industry throughout the history of the Soviet Union. For example, in the 1980s a computer “EC1841” was designed for military purposes. The designers even managed to get the USSR State Award. Later it turned out that Soviet computer chips had never been [21:57]
kakobrekla we are lucky to have you. [21:59]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1354727 << this would be correct neh ? [21:59]
assbot Logged on 28-12-2015 00:39:31; asciilifeform: in the sense that presently patch Q is said to have patch P as an antecedent if ~any file~ in Q was modified by P [22:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha. but the thing really oughta be more granular [22:00]
mircea_popescu possibly. [22:00]
mircea_popescu alternatively, P should come in P, P' and P'' flavours as needed. [22:01]
mircea_popescu part and parcel of the original design was this refactoring of patches./ [22:01]
asciilifeform presently a vpatch is really an agglomeration of patches [22:01]
mircea_popescu aha [22:01]
adlai deedbot-: gpg: public key decryption failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device [22:01]
asciilifeform to see what i mean, break all vpatches apart on file-hash tuple boundaries, and then feed into mod6's vtron set to wild mode, and generate the plot [22:02]
adlai deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3S5662N.txt [22:02]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1354741 << it's not "advice" it's "notice", same root as in visa. [22:02]
assbot Logged on 28-12-2015 00:43:06; kakobrekla: i was actually trying to dig up more info on these 'fake letters of advice' yesterday and couldnt find shit. [22:02]
asciilifeform aha [22:02]
asciilifeform incidentally, maslennikov's book raised a question in my head, were western banks making use of modern crypto in '91 ? [22:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not really. and also, the chechen story is mostly a fabrication for internal su consumption. [22:03]
mircea_popescu right in there with the jews that cooked kid-challa. [22:04]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: well, the fake aviso being sole source of chechen money thing certainly is fake [22:04]
asciilifeform but that chechens knew how to steal ? [22:04]
mircea_popescu for one thing. for the other... obviously they stole all the goats they could, but that didn't really register. [22:04]
asciilifeform anyway the complete story was that chechens set up faux transfer, and immediately used the proceeds to buy us dollars [22:05]
asciilifeform the exchange rate of dollar in ruble climbed exponentially [22:06]
asciilifeform and then - at the time crypto was introduced - stopped abruptly. [22:06]
asciilifeform whether stopped for this reason, or because god pressed a button, i do not know. [22:06]
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mircea_popescu capital flight in a collapsed federation is a universal reliable phenomenon. [22:07]
mircea_popescu exactly same happened in the last days of austro-hungarian empire [22:07]
mircea_popescu expect the same in the last days of the us. not being a nation is VERY dangerous. [22:07]
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kakobrekla !up asciilifeform [22:08]
kakobrekla eh ferfuxake [22:08]
mircea_popescu !up asciilifeform [22:08]
-assbot- You voiced asciilifeform for 30 minutes. [22:08]
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mircea_popescu ha-HA! [22:08]
asciilifeform ty mircea_popescu. but why would the exchange rate freeze at that particular time ? [22:08]
asciilifeform that was the thing that made the legend credible [22:09]
mircea_popescu counterparties stopped accepting rubles for eurodollars. [22:09]
mircea_popescu trade went to commodity-only, which drove the rapid deindustrialization of 93 [22:09]
asciilifeform (incidentally, maslennikov reveals several levels of shammitude. for instance, according to him, NOBODY actually USED the calculators. they were issued pro-forma. the actual signing was done with a - never officially approved - pc proggy) [22:10]
mircea_popescu (still to this very day putin's ru does not match "we will bury you" su in various key industrial production metrics) [22:10]
asciilifeform in which of them ~does~ it match ?! [22:10]
asciilifeform i know of none [22:10]
mircea_popescu foreign reserves. [22:10]
asciilifeform only petro export, really [22:10]
asciilifeform aha but bought by 'selling pieces of the motherland' (stalin's words) [22:10]
mircea_popescu and energy exports, and avionics, and a list really. [22:10]
mircea_popescu ru is not nearly as aerospace capable as the su was when sputnik, but it's certainly not as bad as it had gotten by 1980 [22:11]
mircea_popescu (comparative terms) [22:11]
asciilifeform sorta funny how virtually same rocket is still used. [22:12]
asciilifeform and no serious qualitative improvement was ever made, nor - likely - will be [22:12]
asciilifeform (korolev's '7') [22:13]
mircea_popescu well a rocket's a rocket. [22:13]
mircea_popescu same penis is used to make kids as made napoleon, too. [22:13]
asciilifeform tell this to the contemporaries, who built many, many failed variations [22:13]
mircea_popescu true [22:13]
adlai deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0rg6g3y.txt [22:14]
deedbot- Bad URL or network outage. [22:14]
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asciilifeform recall the incident where marshall nedelin and all of his adjutants were so thoroughly cremated that they were recognized by loose shirt buttons [22:14]
adlai deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/0RG6G3Y.txt [22:14]
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adlai !down adlai [22:14]
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deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] She-santa brings toys, robo-reindeer bring the pain. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/12/27/she-santa-brings-toys-robo-reindeer-bring-the-pain/ [22:15]
asciilifeform adlai: such emo ! [22:15]
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mircea_popescu http://nautil.us/issue/31/stress/what-i-learned-from-losing-200-million << restated because it's uncharacteristically not terrible. [22:19]
assbot What the Economic Crash of 2008 Taught Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1JbhrHC ) [22:19]
mircea_popescu there is the lulzy part where "physics phd" genius boy props up a huge derivative trade with a weak market, an absolute noob mistake - and one his fucking desk should have caught. [22:19]
mircea_popescu but whatevers, the us' has long gone to the monkeys. [22:20]
mircea_popescu "Hitting a market’s ceiling like this was something that none of my methodologies accounted for." << because going "hey, my primary's like 20bn, the unwind that might need could easily be 2bn in a week, the whole fuel market's maybe a fifth that, hey check this out I've propped a car with a toothpick overf here" [22:21]
pete_dushenski also "hey, check out the sweet gov of mex account we scored. brownie points all around!" [22:21]
mircea_popescu that part is right. [22:22]
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pete_dushenski i see [22:23]
mircea_popescu heck, the age of trade was driven by people trying to make their trading house matter more than the ministry of war where all the cavalry officers and junkers hung out. [22:25]
pete_dushenski when was the age of trade you speak of ? [22:27]
mircea_popescu 1500 to roughly 1750 [22:27]
mircea_popescu the dictum "never get involved in a land war in asia" is mostly due to the fact that the portuguese were involved in a sea war in asia, and it worked splendidly for them. [22:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00050219 = 5.0219 BTC [-] {3} [22:29]
pete_dushenski british were in sea war with asia as well around the same time, ya ? [22:29]
mircea_popescu no. the british hadn't yet been invented at that point. [22:29]
mircea_popescu the dutch followed the portuguese, and after their conquest of the offshore platform and re-basing of their ships there.... [22:30]
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mircea_popescu "In other words, the Fed, by centralizing stress testing around its own approach, is incentivizing banks to follow suit, which may push them to accumulate similar exposures to one another and to manage them in similar ways, resulting in decreased diversification and increased risk. This is a question raised by particularly prescriptive rules like the Fed’s 5 percent hurdle, which are simple to monitor but may be just [22:30]
mircea_popescu as simple to game." [22:30]
mircea_popescu in other words, the us fed is managed way the fuck worse than b-a. because hey, the world is full of "physics phds" that went to fucking mit. [22:31]
mircea_popescu shoulda grazed sheep instead. learned more, at any rate. [22:32]
pete_dushenski not as many fillies at pasture [22:33]
pete_dushenski not the kind you'd take home to mom, at any rate. [22:33]
mircea_popescu And why his favored approach to stress testing (a technique called Bayesian nets) << oh lordy. [22:34]
mircea_popescu doesn’t involve trying to derive probabilities at all, but rather asks the user to just “produce your best-informed guess.” << and you'd love this precisely because of who you are, and where yo ulive, and what you want to be true. [22:34]
* asciilifeform waits to buy 'bayesian' hammer and saw at hardware store [22:34]
asciilifeform is 'bayesian' the new... runcible ? [22:35]
mircea_popescu so it is. [22:35]
mircea_popescu of course, it is only superficially related to bayes' own work. [22:36]
asciilifeform phun phakt. can tune out if ever hear 'physics phd!!1111' - this has been a leper's bell of pseudoscientific cheap crackpottery for a century+ [22:36]
mircea_popescu the actual bones under the abomination are mostly "this is everything" and "all people are equally, each individually, the complete and proud representation of all humanity" and bla bla. [22:36]
mircea_popescu it's the crackpottery of the times. [22:36]
asciilifeform (~actual~ physics specialist will not brag about phd, any more than a cabbie brags about driver's license!) [22:36]
mircea_popescu i have never met any even half-competent physicists that were proud of their... paper certifications. [22:37]
asciilifeform aha. [22:37]
asciilifeform nor will lawyer brag about passing the bar, etc [22:38]
asciilifeform it's cheap chumpatronics for rubes [22:38]
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mircea_popescu I dropped my bike in a bush and texted our salesperson about the idea. <<< re the entire chechens thread. [22:40]
mircea_popescu fucktard. i'd be worried about the sms from the bush a lot more if i was dealing billions with this schmuck. [22:40]
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adlai !up asciilifeform [22:41]
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adlai ;;later tell therealascii fix dat key thing! or is it kako's fault [22:41]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:41]
asciilifeform adlai: therealascii was beheaded some time in early 1500s [22:42]
adlai shame, i'd have paid to see how high the head flew [22:42]
kakobrekla id put my money on kakos fault [22:42]
mircea_popescu no kookie for kako! [22:43]
kakobrekla the usual. [22:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9808 @ 0.00051344 = 5.0358 BTC [+] [22:43]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-12-2015#1354909 << i've always marvelled at systems where it turned out that security consisted of 'nobody would dare' [22:45]
assbot Logged on 28-12-2015 01:36:22; mircea_popescu: fucktard. i'd be worried about the sms from the bush a lot more if i was dealing billions with this schmuck. [22:45]
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adlai sometimes you gotta tempt fate else she'll never tempt youback [22:56]
pete_dushenski http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/investing/buy-to-let/11816720/Death-of-buy-to-let-landlords-wake-up-to-Osbornes-150pc-tax.html << "Connie Cheuk (pictured above), a landlord with five properties, will see her tax bill rise by almost 40pc. She is even contemplating giving up her 18-year career as a teacher as a means of reducing the tax impact" [22:56]
assbot Death of buy-to-let: landlords wake up to Osborne's 150pc tax - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1QVnBOy ) [22:56]
pete_dushenski " In fact, contrary to Mr Osborne’s suggestion, the only buy-to-let investors who will not be hit are the very wealthy who buy property in cash and who don’t need a mortgage." [22:57]
pete_dushenski good fuck riddance to all the wanna-be land barons. [22:57]
pete_dushenski buy the place for cash or enjoy the coming squeeze [22:57]
pete_dushenski buncha interst-only mortgage louts... [22:58]
ben_vulpes oh more tail risk explosions? [23:01]
* ben_vulpes dreams of the popescuian luxury of time [23:01]
pete_dushenski actually osborne's tax might minimise the blast radius of a black swan by pushing wanna-bes to the exits before the next "no one could've predicted" [23:03]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: what would you do with this time ? [23:03]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351342 << note how only one of the reinderps are actually doing any work [23:06]
assbot Logged on 23-12-2015 22:15:13; ascii_field: http://i.imgur.com/7aNkaSl.gifv [23:06]
ben_vulpes http://www.contravex.com/2015/12/27/she-santa-brings-toys-robo-reindeer-bring-the-pain/#footnote_3_6479 << lol the car thread really got under your skin huh? [23:07]
assbot She-santa brings the toys, robo-reindeer bring the pain. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1QVopTA ) [23:07]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes fake it till you make it! [23:07]
ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: write a curriculum, write incorporation docs for the federated states of cascadia, tango, the odd simulation problem that's been nagging, low-profile nearly-submersibles... [23:09]
ben_vulpes the list of onanistic projects is bounded only by one's imagination, savvy? [23:10]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: how do you figure ? the auto-car thread is just a good example of wishful thinking that some prototype is the guaranteed fyootoor. no different than google glass, e-books, iot, etc. [23:10]
pete_dushenski btw ben, you home schooling ? [23:10]
ben_vulpes but in the meantime, must tend to $bezzlecorp, meatwot, $product, fambly etc. [23:11]
pete_dushenski $product is unrelated to $bezzlecorp ? or do i misunderstand the segmentation there [23:12]
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pete_dushenski !up asciilifeform [23:12]
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ben_vulpes it's complicated. [23:12]
ben_vulpes and you even have to ask re homeschooling? [23:13]
ben_vulpes !s daycare [23:13]
assbot 19 results for 'daycare' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=daycare [23:13]
thestringpuller o look a pete_dushenski [23:15]
thestringpuller my blog is almost ready [23:15]
thestringpuller and boi do i have an interesting story for my first post [23:15]
thestringpuller just gotta rip the plugin code bingoboingo gave me for archives and categories and have pages for that and it'll be ready for action. [23:16]
pete_dushenski looking forward to reading it [23:16]
kakobrekla > [23:17]
kakobrekla gpg: key 01ABFFC7: "Stanislav Datskovskiy " not changed [23:17]
kakobrekla hurrdurr [23:17]
ben_vulpes relatedly, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2015#1350387 << i am /so/ looking forward to this [23:17]
assbot Logged on 22-12-2015 14:57:33; mircea_popescu: it looks like trilema's going to get moved off php at this rate. [23:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49023 @ 0.00051359 = 25.1777 BTC [+] {3} [23:23]
kakobrekla and when i list keys [23:25]
kakobrekla pub 2048R/01ABFFC7 2012-12-20 [expires: 2016-12-24] [23:26]
kakobrekla uid Stanislav Datskovskiy [23:26]
kakobrekla hm [23:26]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: were you homeschooled ? [23:28]
ben_vulpes nearly as bad [23:28]
ben_vulpes waldorf [23:28]
pete_dushenski k-12 ? [23:29]
ben_vulpes sixth grade was my last there. [23:29]
pete_dushenski "The philosophical foundation of the Waldorf approach, Anthroposophy, underpins its primary pedagogical goals: to provide an education that enables children to become free human beings, and to help children to incarnate their "unfolding spiritual identity," carried from the preceding spiritual existence, as beings of body, soul, and spirit in this lifetime" [23:29]
ben_vulpes mostly it's designed to produce happy little fab-line beez [23:30]
pete_dushenski but but free human beez ! [23:30]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: why not send the kiddo to montessori ? [23:31]
ben_vulpes because i'm an impoverished usian?! [23:31]
pete_dushenski or better yet, talmud torah ! [23:31]
* ben_vulpes didn't think this was news to anyone [23:32]
pete_dushenski montessori's, what, $1k/mo ? [23:32]
ben_vulpes yes, one price everywhere [23:33]
thestringpuller jesus 1k a month? [23:33]
thestringpuller nigga plz. send that niglet to public school. get into fights and shit [23:34]
thestringpuller toughin' him up [23:34]
pete_dushenski ^ [23:34]
adlai maybe mikesy didn't really have volume&depth history, an he rode out of shame [23:35]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: well, i'm seeing ranges of $8.5-11.5k per annum for portland montessori. but close enough. [23:38]
adlai oh hmmm... bbiab [23:42]
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ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169944 [23:44]
assbot Logged on 20-06-2015 22:00:39; mircea_popescu: Sol Nazerman: You people? Oh, let's see. Yeah. I see. I see, you... you want to learn the secret of our success, is that right? Alright I'll teach you. First of all you start off with a period of several thousand years, during which you have nothing to sustain you but a great bearded legend. Oh my friend you have no land to call your own, to grow food on or to hunt. You have nothing. [23:44]
ben_vulpes no, i'll not go buy fashionable fancy toyz. [23:45]
ben_vulpes nor will i feed my family shit and demand they call it bread. [23:45]
ben_vulpes i have a perfectly capable baker on staff already. yes it takes some time to make bread. so bake, and later eat. [23:47]
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ben_vulpes "yes, this is the best flour your father can afford, and the best bread your mother can bake. be glad there is bread on the table and not the shit your little friends must eat." [23:49]
ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: were i to actually want to spend the money, it'd be the tution for the quality schools in the area *i* attended, not the fashionable ones i *didn't*. [23:50]
ben_vulpes the tuition for which was 16K (for hs, and only a moderate hike from the lower school rates) in 2004, and most likely has doubled since. [23:51]
adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-12-2015#1354903 << by this logic, you should never trust a guy who writes tradebots for a living further than you can chuck him, because they all list the physics phd on the resume right underneath the eighteen bankruptly IPOed tradeshops [23:51]
assbot Logged on 28-12-2015 01:32:37; asciilifeform: (~actual~ physics specialist will not brag about phd, any more than a cabbie brags about driver's license!) [23:51]
ben_vulpes the canonical #b-a thread to reference here is that "americans, no matter how they slave, cannot even begin to approximate that which their fathers took for granted". [23:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00051232 = 15.8307 BTC [-] [23:54]
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adlai ;;later tell trinque deedbot- ate my thingy in the bad sense [23:57]
gribble The operation succeeded. [23:57]
trinque it'll crap it soon; txn went out [23:57]
* trinque wonders idly at the mystery of adlai the poet [23:57]
BingoBoingo Wondering about that much LSD would prolly be bad for my sobriety [23:58]
adlai for posterity's sake, and to help the logs on their asymptotic journey to selftience: [23:58]
* ben_vulpes waits [23:59]
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