Forum logs for 26 Oct 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [05:07]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: http://polimedia.us/mpex || https://coinbr.com || https://cryptostocks.com || https://icbit.se || https://therocktrading.com || https://assets-otc.com || list bot commands: !help || Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades || Net Chart: http://bit.ly/RPclBi || a biased message: http://smpake.com || http://bit4x.com [05:07]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Tue Oct 16 15:58:37 2012 [05:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25448 @ 0.00049132 = 12.5031 BTC [+] [05:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1548 @ 0.00049188 = 0.7614 BTC [+] [05:24]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=104894.msg1298149#msg1298149 [05:43]
mircea_popescu that's a pretty juicy read. [05:43]
dub tldr? [05:46]
dub repost of confessions of a ppt op? [05:46]
mircea_popescu nah [05:46]
mircea_popescu repost of mpoe-pr's story, six months later. [05:46]
mircea_popescu but with moar emotion and inside angles [05:47]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00048692 = 2.0938 BTC [-] [05:49]
Azelphur mircea_popescu: that's somewhat good to know :P [05:49]
mircea_popescu is it ? [05:49]
Azelphur indeed [05:50]
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dub is it time to hire a hit yet? [05:51]
dub the whole word is bond thing swings both ways [05:51]
Azelphur I heard BrightAnarchist is interested in suing him [05:52]
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mircea_popescu dub you know how all this "hire a hit" talk sounds ? like two down and out meth whores sitting in their three year old miniskirts on the curb. they don't wear underwear because they can't afford underwear. [05:53]
mircea_popescu and one goes to the other "time to call the helicopter yet ?" [05:53]
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dub well its easy to take the high ground [05:54]
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mircea_popescu no but seriously. a hit costs money. it doesn't pay 7% a month. ergo. [05:55]
mircea_popescu wait, i mean 7% a week. or a day. or WHATEVERTHEFUCK [05:55]
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dub yes yes, you were right, well done. [05:57]
dub and certainly some were way to deep in that poo pond [05:58]
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dub I lost pocket change but I'd happily contribute to preventing him continuing this career of fuckwitery [05:59]
dub given proximity I would gleefully mete out at least some disfigurement myself [06:07]
mircea_popescu you would ?! [06:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00049188 = 16.9699 BTC [+] [06:15]
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dub its been a long time, to feel of skin and bone cracking under my fists, what better justice is there? [06:16]
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dub I would have thought this fit with the libertarian ideal, eye for an eye oslt [06:19]
mircea_popescu suppose you get arrested. [06:20]
dub avoidable but not the end of the world (btdt) [06:25]
mircea_popescu no but i mean, suppose you get arrested. [06:30]
mircea_popescu are you going to pay for your lawyer out of pocket ? [06:30]
dub depends on circumstances, if there was hope of winning I might, otherwise take the court appointed monkey and a conviction [06:31]
mircea_popescu and all this for why ? [06:32]
mircea_popescu your time would be better spent cleanning floors [06:32]
dub justice and the greater good? [06:33]
mircea_popescu beating up some douche ? [06:33]
dub (a little pleasure_ [06:33]
mircea_popescu a well if it's a sexual thing... [06:34]
dub yeah why not? dude that looks like elephant man will have a harder time with confidence tricks [06:34]
mircea_popescu course a hit traditionally means killing him. [06:34]
dub well hit I think traditionally means 'impact' [06:35]
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dub but colloquially, whatever [06:35]
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mircea_popescu but anyway : you're flat out wrong. dude that looks like elephant man has a much easier time scamming everyone [06:35]
mircea_popescu starting with the welfare department. [06:35]
dub so you would rather what? smugly admonish the suckers and allow this scum to continue victimising people? [06:35]
mircea_popescu just not trade with him anymore. [06:36]
mircea_popescu well, i wasn't trading with him to begin with, for the exact reasons, but as an academic point. [06:36]
dub what about the next guy, or innocent old lady [06:36]
mircea_popescu there's no innocence in ignorance. [06:36]
mircea_popescu old lady should retain the services of someone who's not innocent. [06:36]
mircea_popescu for a fee. [06:36]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1916 @ 0.00048879 = 0.9365 BTC [-] [06:41]
dub perhaps cultural expectations [06:41]
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mircea_popescu but don't you think in principle it's more efficient to hire counsel before than to break bones after ? [06:46]
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dub sure, if warranted [06:46]
dub theres a cost benefit relationship [06:47]
mircea_popescu what's if warranted mean ? [06:47]
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dub at high school your buddy wants to borrow $5 for a donut from the tuckshop, do you hire lawyers first or twist his arm later? [06:51]
dub replace twist arm with cry to mommy if need be [06:51]
dub I don't understand how a libertarian is in favor of adding consultation tax to every transaction in life (then I don't understand libertarians much) [06:53]
mircea_popescu well for one point im not terribly concerned with a labeling, so i dunno that i am libertarian or anything. [06:55]
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mircea_popescu but your school example is very bad, because a. you're in close proximity and b. in most cultures kids are supposed to twist each others' arms all through kid years. [06:56]
mircea_popescu doing a little more or a little less has overall little impact. [06:56]
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mircea_popescu suppose your wife cheats on you (and you care). do you kill her or pick a better woman next time ? [06:57]
dub well I think it translates ok [06:57]
dub a) he is acting like a child b) there are peopl ein proximity who can achieve result [06:58]
mircea_popescu well, i could argue it's child abuse to try and find children to do stupid things. rather than have them beat up pirate you might as well fuck them, end result's the same. [06:59]
mircea_popescu and otherwise, a system which relies on being sufficiently childish seems a little... unappealing. [06:59]
dub not to them [06:59]
mircea_popescu the only way violence works in the frame you wish to use it is as a manifestation of dominance. [07:00]
dub I must go now and drink copiously [07:00]
mircea_popescu if you could beat up pirate with impunity and regularity (such as the state does) then maybe. [07:00]
mircea_popescu otherwise, hit and run affairs... he'll just count himself wronged. [07:00]
mircea_popescu later. [07:00]
smickles how well does beating someone up get your money back anyway? [07:03]
smickles or what's the benefit otherwise, i don't see much to gain in it [07:03]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2584 @ 0.00048879 = 1.263 BTC [-] [07:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6851 @ 0.0004898 = 3.3556 BTC [+] [07:06]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1781 @ 0.0004898 = 0.8723 BTC [+] [07:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12852 @ 0.00049188 = 6.3216 BTC [+] [07:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28164 @ 0.00049197 = 13.8558 BTC [+] [07:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00048878 = 6.3541 BTC [-] [07:57]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00048878 = 4.008 BTC [-] [08:22]
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thestringpuller i summon thee mircea_popescu [08:40]
mircea_popescu hm ? [08:40]
thestringpuller lol it worked [08:41]
thestringpuller lets start a bitcoin mafia to enforce gpg contracts [08:42]
mircea_popescu heh [08:42]
thestringpuller ruff em up [08:42]
thestringpuller then we'll see who doesnt pay [08:42]
thestringpuller in all seriousness this months puts expire at 1159pm UTC Oct 26 [08:43]
thestringpuller correct? [08:43]
mircea_popescu yea [08:46]
thestringpuller i hope there is a huge panic tomorrow [08:46]
thestringpuller lol [08:46]
thestringpuller ill profit if it drops to 10.45ish [08:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10673 @ 0.0004893 = 5.2223 BTC [+] [08:47]
thestringpuller why is s.mpoe going up so high? [08:48]
mircea_popescu well... i guess not that much else left. [08:54]
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thestringpuller can i interview you one day warren buffet style and put it on reddit? [08:55]
thestringpuller like q: do you think the bitcoin economy will get better? [08:55]
thestringpuller haha [08:56]
mircea_popescu sure. [08:56]
pigeons thestringpuller: what is that brown stuff on your nose? [08:56]
mircea_popescu introducing the new command, STATJSON [08:57]
thestringpuller LOL [08:57]
mircea_popescu jurov you'll get a kick out of this http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/faq.html#5 [08:57]
thestringpuller pigeons gots jokes [08:57]
thestringpuller bitcoin needs brokers [09:00]
thestringpuller without smickles i wouldnt have been able to get options while itm [09:01]
mircea_popescu no coinbr ? [09:08]
thestringpuller coinbr isnt fully automated [09:08]
thestringpuller i would need jurov to expedite deposits [09:09]
thestringpuller smickles essentially opened a mini margin position for me [09:09]
mircea_popescu a [09:09]
thestringpuller and i sent him coins [09:09]
mircea_popescu get on kakobrekla's case to add mpex support in smpake [09:10]
thestringpuller LOL [09:10]
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thestringpuller well its cool mpex has demand for brokerage [09:10]
thestringpuller maybe one day when im golfing i can call jurov and be all "sell sell sell sell" [09:11]
thestringpuller is smpake like an extension of green addresses? [09:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14654 @ 0.00049197 = 7.2093 BTC [+] [09:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.0004921 = 5.3147 BTC [+] [09:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21956 @ 0.00049259 = 10.8153 BTC [+] [09:13]
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thestringpuller oh man its gonna hit .0005 [09:15]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller spmpake is like a send money early thing [09:30]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.0004912 = 16.1605 BTC [-] [09:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37527 @ 0.0004893 = 18.362 BTC [-] [09:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00048878 = 14.1257 BTC [-] [09:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00048692 = 0.7791 BTC [-] [09:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11558 @ 0.00048633 = 5.621 BTC [-] [09:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00048438 = 8.0891 BTC [-] [09:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00048423 = 4.9876 BTC [-] [09:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16146 @ 0.0004841 = 7.8163 BTC [-] [09:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13159 @ 0.00048393 = 6.368 BTC [-] [09:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00048265 = 7.5776 BTC [-] [09:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39912 @ 0.00048164 = 19.2232 BTC [-] [09:32]
* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [14:29]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: http://polimedia.us/mpex || https://coinbr.com || https://cryptostocks.com || https://icbit.se || https://therocktrading.com || https://assets-otc.com || list bot commands: !help || Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades || Net Chart: http://bit.ly/RPclBi || a biased message: http://smpake.com || http://bit4x.com [14:29]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Tue Oct 16 15:58:37 2012 [14:29]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [14:35]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.56782, Best ask: 10.59400, Bid-ask spread: 0.02618, Last trade: 10.53800, 24 hour volume: 79094.75129794, 24 hour low: 10.52000, 24 hour high: 11.37000, 24 hour vwap: 10.86052 [14:35]
mircea_popescu o wouldja look at that. [14:35]
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jurov thestringpuller, you'll need both me and mircea to expedite deposits :) [14:37]
jurov STATJSON, eh? [14:38]
mircea_popescu jurov how about that. [14:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7619 @ 0.00047423 = 3.6132 BTC [+] [14:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5185 @ 0.00047462 = 2.4609 BTC [+] [14:41]
jurov heh, apparently i have to lay down with cold to start things moving [14:41]
mircea_popescu you have to what ?! [14:41]
jurov oh my engrish... i got cold yesterday and went to bed soon [14:42]
mircea_popescu o o [14:42]
mircea_popescu haha funny how that works isnt it [14:42]
mircea_popescu but srsly, it was in testing for weeks. [14:42]
mircea_popescu one point : the format for stat might change in the future, but not too soon. i expect everyone who uses stats programatically to move to statjson in the coming months. [14:47]
mircea_popescu then stat can be updated [14:47]
jurov okay [14:47]
jurov haha thestringpuller...you already know my hourly rate for development... multiply it by any odd prime and i'll do some phonesex..er.. brokerage [14:47]
mircea_popescu lol [14:47]
mircea_popescu prolly should ping smickles about this too. who else... brendio's not on i see [14:49]
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thestringpuller ;;ticker [14:51]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.60103, Best ask: 10.68729, Bid-ask spread: 0.08626, Last trade: 10.69123, 24 hour volume: 78962.39488685, 24 hour low: 10.52000, 24 hour high: 11.37000, 24 hour vwap: 10.85370 [14:51]
thestringpuller ;;bc,24hprc [14:52]
gribble 10.83 [14:52]
thestringpuller smickles if you arent able to push the options to jurov before 2359 utc could you exercise the options for me? [14:53]
mircea_popescu they autoexercise [14:56]
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EskimoBob autoexercise = lay in bed and get fit [15:01]
mircea_popescu lol [15:01]
EskimoBob 8.26445 FUUUUCK [15:03]
mircea_popescu ? [15:03]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [15:03]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.54624, Best ask: 10.62728, Bid-ask spread: 0.08104, Last trade: 10.62739, 24 hour volume: 78876.67072837, 24 hour low: 10.52000, 24 hour high: 11.37000, 24 hour vwap: 10.85330 [15:03]
EskimoBob someone got scared [15:04]
mircea_popescu gtfo stop scaring me lol [15:04]
EskimoBob EUR [15:04]
mircea_popescu a [15:04]
jurov ;;bc,convert eur [15:04]
gribble 1 BTC = 10.62739 U.S. dollars = 8.21536024 Euros [15:04]
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mircea_popescu 8.21 not .26 [15:05]
EskimoBob it changes, you know... doh! [15:05]
EskimoBob I am looking at this one http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxEUR.html [15:06]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13621 @ 0.00047677 = 6.4941 BTC [+] [15:06]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [15:08]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.54624, Best ask: 10.62716, Bid-ask spread: 0.08092, Last trade: 10.62716, 24 hour volume: 78834.66719548, 24 hour low: 10.52000, 24 hour high: 11.37000, 24 hour vwap: 10.85285 [15:08]
mircea_popescu i wonder wtf did it. [15:08]
jurov what is "md5Checksum" from JSONSTAT for? [15:12]
mircea_popescu padding, mostly. [15:16]
mircea_popescu it does the md5hash of the section [15:16]
mircea_popescu so you can use it to check sections integrity if presented with the cleartext signed document [15:17]
mircea_popescu gives a little armor-y strength to cleatext without actually going armor. [15:18]
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jurov i guessed as much.. but can't find out how to compute the checksum [15:25]
jurov for example [15:26]
jurov "Book":[{"2975392":{"MPSIC":"S.MPOE", "BS":"B", "Quantity":"20000", "Price":"21000"}}, [15:26]
jurov {"md5Checksum":"356265b8eb6a38ac64536447c0070954"}], [15:26]
jurov tried [15:26]
jurov echo -n '{"2975392":{"MPSIC":"S.MPOE", "BS":"B", "Quantity":"20000", "Price":"21000"}}' | md5sum [15:26]
jurov is different [15:26]
mircea_popescu those are
not spaces in there right ? 		[15:27]
jurov i see only
after "Price":"21000"}}, 		[15:28]
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mircea_popescu echo -n '{"2975392":{"MPSIC":"S.MPOE", "BS":"B", "Quantity":"20000", "Price":"21000"}}, [15:32]
mircea_popescu > ' | md5sum [15:32]
mircea_popescu 356265b8eb6a38ac64536447c0070954 - [15:32]
mircea_popescu seems right ? [15:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23112 @ 0.00048 = 11.0938 BTC [+] [15:32]
jurov yes, right [15:34]
mircea_popescu haha apparently it's already working :p [15:34]
jurov *snatches this to project wiki [15:34]
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mircea_popescu good idea. [15:42]
jurov gonna have some autoexercise now.. see you later [15:53]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00047677 = 3.242 BTC [-] [15:57]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00047724 = 17.0852 BTC [+] [16:23]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00047724 = 2.1953 BTC [+] [17:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.00048 = 18.72 BTC [+] [17:13]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4875 @ 0.00047677 = 2.3243 BTC [-] [17:39]
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thestringpuller 3 [18:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00047558 = 13.2211 BTC [-] [18:05]
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mod6 mircea_popescu: so there is JSONSTAT nao!? :D [18:06]
mod6 so one would just use JSONSTAT instead of stat and then per the reqest they get an pgp encrypted/signed JSON output of the STAT? [18:08]
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thestringpuller mr. mircea_popescu [18:08]
thestringpuller and mr. jurov [18:08]
mod6 (This is going to be helpful to show the users STAT in BitOTTer -- instead of doing a bunch of parsing against the formatting. [18:08]
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mod6 ) [18:08]
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mod6 ;;ticker [18:12]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.45101, Best ask: 10.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04899, Last trade: 10.50000, 24 hour volume: 74462.49957867, 24 hour low: 10.37300, 24 hour high: 11.15000, 24 hour vwap: 10.69639 [18:12]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4628 @ 0.00047558 = 2.201 BTC [-] [18:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00047487 = 1.8045 BTC [-] [18:30]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00047351 = 16.5255 BTC [-] [18:56]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9390 @ 0.00047072 = 4.4201 BTC [-] [19:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14010 @ 0.00047061 = 6.5932 BTC [-] [19:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2772 @ 0.00047351 = 1.3126 BTC [+] [19:47]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00047378 = 17.672 BTC [+] [20:12]
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thestringpuller sir MiningBuddy [20:33]
thestringpuller sir mircea_popescu [20:33]
thestringpuller * [20:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5742 @ 0.00047378 = 2.7204 BTC [+] [20:37]
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jurov thestringpuller? [20:53]
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kakobrekla ;;ticker [21:03]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 9.88000, Best ask: 9.89919, Bid-ask spread: 0.01919, Last trade: 9.89919, 24 hour volume: 95950.94904574, 24 hour low: 9.80000, 24 hour high: 11.12590, 24 hour vwap: 10.53361 [21:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00047097 = 12.5749 BTC [-] [21:03]
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Chaang-Noi under 10 [21:11]
Chaang-Noi sad [21:11]
jurov oops [21:12]
kakobrekla ;;bc,stats [21:12]
gribble Current Blocks: 205090 | Current Difficulty: 3072321.7320208 | Next Difficulty At Block: 205631 | Next Difficulty In: 541 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 13 hours, 3 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3213027.65513633 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.57979129103 [21:12]
gigavps Chaang-Noi more fun for the rest of us [21:12]
Chaang-Noi ? [21:12]
Chaang-Noi why? [21:12]
Chaang-Noi cuz you are buying? [21:13]
gigavps because it's fun [21:14]
Chaang-Noi ok [21:14]
gigavps looks like we're getting a little bounce here before back below $10 [21:14]
Chaang-Noi a decent bounce [21:17]
Chaang-Noi i wonder if someone is just messing with the price to have options hit [21:18]
Chaang-Noi anyway off to bed [21:19]
jurov dunno, mpoe is using 24hr average, it needs more serious nudge to be affected [21:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00047061 = 4.1884 BTC [-] [21:28]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13274 @ 0.00047061 = 6.2469 BTC [-] [21:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13026 @ 0.0004701 = 6.1235 BTC [-] [21:53]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40174 @ 0.0004701 = 18.8858 BTC [-] [22:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00047009 = 1.3633 BTC [-] [22:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2126 @ 0.00047 = 0.9992 BTC [-] [22:18]
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thestringpuller i need to speak with senor smickles [22:40]
thestringpuller señor smickles* [22:40]
thestringpuller ;;seen smickles [22:43]
gribble smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 15 hours, 39 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: or what's the benefit otherwise, i don't see much to gain in it [22:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00047 = 3.666 BTC [-] [22:44]
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mod6 !ticker S.MPOE [23:02]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00043602 / 0.0004728 / 0.00049259 (1711086 shares, 809.00 BTC), 30day: 0.00025015 / 0.00037572 / 0.00049259 (87757519 shares, 32,972.81 BTC) [23:02]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28815 @ 0.00047066 = 13.5621 BTC [+] [23:10]
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thestringpuller anyone know how to contact smickles? [23:22]
Anduck ;;seen smickles [23:33]
gribble smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 16 hours, 29 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: or what's the benefit otherwise, i don't see much to gain in it [23:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17174 @ 0.00047097 = 8.0884 BTC [+] [23:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9026 @ 0.00047514 = 4.2886 BTC [+] [23:35]
smickles ;;bc,24hprc [23:41]
gribble 10.39 [23:41]
smickles ;;ticker [23:41]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 9.94798, Best ask: 9.94800, Bid-ask spread: 0.00002, Last trade: 9.94798, 24 hour volume: 89460.44746472, 24 hour low: 9.74000, 24 hour high: 10.95000, 24 hour vwap: 10.42133 [23:41]
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