Forum logs for 26 Jul 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212834 << you know it maybe bears repeating that nonsensical dire warnings are just as bad as no warnings at all. [06:39]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 01:26:19; asciilifeform: or don't be surprised when it formats your hd [06:39]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212838 << when you're done distorting the economy you can start distorting the wave function. [06:39]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 02:25:03; decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2015#1212646 < this is a good point (taxation is always political). yet it does have economic consequences, and I would prefer to distort the economy toward favoring work and saving over consumption [06:39]
mircea_popescu we got a lot of work for a man of your talents o.O [06:39]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212840 << they are. the problem being of course that they also exhaust the potential of survival. because that is quite strictly what those suitors are : in their replacing of whoever, they also ensure the whole shebang can keep going. [06:45]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 02:26:44; decimation: policies like income & capital gains tax can be seen as a method of exhausting potential suitors to power [06:45]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212843 << cultural supremacy, you found it. [06:46]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 02:55:08; trinque: motherfucker... I google this AWS issue I'm having, and find myself bitching about said problem here two months ago [06:46]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212891 << lmao [06:50]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 03:43:45; hanbot: google: No results found for "gpg: fatal: zlib inflate problem: invalid literal/lengths set" [06:50]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212920 << bwhahahahaha [06:56]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212935 << it's basically why I/we use -a [06:57]
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mircea_popescu lol damn i should read three lines ahead. [06:57]
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mircea_popescu Making matters worse, HEVC Advance says their licensing terms [listed in detail here] are “retroactive to date of 1st sale” [07:00]
mircea_popescu bwahahahah WHAT [07:00]
mircea_popescu anyway, just more nails in the coffin of bullshiot "higher resolution". [07:02]
mircea_popescu nobody wants it, forget it. 720px wide forever. [07:02]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212997 << i vaguely remember people trying to hire someone to summarize all this. it.... never got anywhere. [07:18]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 05:24:04; decimation: unfortunately it seems that the "cl logs" are quite scattered and need to be reconstructed by a student (unlike b-a logs) [07:18]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213012 << the ibm-ibm of today is so lulzy tho [07:33]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 05:29:00; asciilifeform: just as was the case after the fall of ibm. [07:33]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213024 << this is unduly self-flattering. there WAS NO PRODUCTIVITY THERE TO WASTE. this is the ultimate reason. there's no secret conspiracy of illuminati aliens to steal the manna of earth. [07:34]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 05:35:06; decimation: but you make a point - the software industry (and usg in general) has mastered the art of wasting the productivity of its population [07:34]
mircea_popescu the plain sad factual truth of the matter is, that there was no manna there to begin with. [07:35]
mircea_popescu which is why all the charade and all the dancing. and yes the various jews, selected goats, ibms m$ and usg will be beheaded for this fault "of theirs", [07:35]
mircea_popescu just as soon as we're done with the festivals dedicated to their dressing up as the sacrificial goat. [07:35]
mircea_popescu but even after their blood gurgles, the fact will stand. there was no productivity there from they one. [07:35]
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mircea_popescu they're not wasting anything, they're just giving a bunch of fuctards the illusion that they actually belong here. [07:36]
mircea_popescu which is, and has been, and will forever remain the only function, the chief utility and the very point of abstractions. it allows men to survive their fears. [07:36]
mircea_popescu just like women gotta "be sluts" or else your paniced bipedal dog is too afraid of black holes to stick his wee wee into the right hole, just so microsoft must be there for a hundred milion autistic schmucks to be even able to get out of bed i nthe morning. [07:37]
mircea_popescu what do you think the "human batteries" would have done, were they not "in the matrix" ? [07:38]
mircea_popescu built one, right ? [07:38]
mircea_popescu right. [07:38]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213025 << it never left, you know. it's still here. if you're willing to take z80 as "state of the art", the whole shebang is still here. problem is you want a different state of the art, because we actually need it, because z80 mined bitcoin can't survive in the field. and so... [07:41]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 05:35:30; asciilifeform: the world of 1985, where there were a thousand ~state-of-the-art~ chip fabs, under two+ separate civilizational systems, and running perhaps a dozen ~entirely independently developed~ toolchains - isn't coming back [07:41]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213040 < heh. this is true. the medieval contention was as to the place of earth, not as to its shape. "urbi et orbi", ie, the classical papal dedication, specifically speaks TO THE GLOBE. as a sphere. [07:43]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 07:58:50; jurov: "In my research, I looked to see how old the idea was that medieval Christians believed the earth was flat....No one before the 1830s believed that medieval people thought that the earth was flat." [07:43]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213042 < bwahahaha mmkay. [07:44]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 08:04:10; ben_vulpes: lo, it is mutilated in my outbox [07:44]
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mircea_popescu " If we apply an interpreter of British understatements and general vagueness in preference to precision, however, I get the impression you're trying very hard to have an opinion about another company, which _does_ have royalties as part of their business model and that you are trying to invalidate that model by implication." [07:50]
mircea_popescu for the record, the notion that some twerps may charge "per runtime" is such corrosive nonsense i have no fucking idea who or why would ever defend it. [07:50]
mircea_popescu if i buy a knife, I OWN THE KNIFE. and whether i use it fifty times or three, whether i am the most frequent user of the knife or least, whether i make most money from its usage opr least, this is entirely my business. [07:51]
mircea_popescu knife maker dun enter into it. [07:51]
mircea_popescu trhis is not even a moral issue, or some sort of bullshiot about rights. this is the nudest, rudest self preservation at work. if you wish to force (and by allowing, you force) the knife maker to have opinions of knife usage, you have created the worst sort of socialist centrally commanded economy possible. [07:52]
mircea_popescu all that remains is one single entity which starts with the grassy knoll and ends with the satellite, and you will never EVER be able to make this wholly integrated pile of nonsense compete on any sort of footing with actual capitalism [07:52]
mircea_popescu the reason being, obviously, the eternal problem of unforeseen utility. [07:53]
mircea_popescu i personally knew my father was a retard when i was about thirteen, and he threw a fit insisting i "stop using tools for other purposes than they were made". [07:53]
mircea_popescu better exam of idiocy could scarcely be had. and so here we are. no "conditional royalties", no "apple store", no "charge for runtime" and none of that jazz. not because it's wrong, or evil. because it's stupid, and because it enacts an unsustainable model. [07:54]
mircea_popescu i don't wanna die in the stupidboat. [07:54]
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mircea_popescu (and yes this is why tort laws are building socialism. "we sell you the coffee - if you kill yourself with it that's your problem" is the correct position, and what the courts should, and what the b,tmsr~ courts do enforce) [07:55]
solrodar http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213044 << if you've managed to get clang to work, are you able to check my script? [07:59]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 08:11:58; ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/bitcoin/scan-build/ << not much of interest, but i thought that i'd share clang's opinion with derp anzers [07:59]
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mircea_popescu anyway, i think the proper thing to do here is pay out. [08:01]
mircea_popescu solrodar address ? [08:01]
solrodar mircea_popescu: I don't want to pester the developers to deal with something they're not really interested in [08:01]
mircea_popescu that's ok, i [08:01]
mircea_popescu 'll pester them., [08:01]
mircea_popescu specifgically i will put asciilifeform, ben_vulpes and everyone else on notice to the following fact : if you don't effectually and effectively take delivery of these sorts of things, it's not that my 1 btc or w/e is wasted. it's thjat the remainder of my stash is wasted, because lo! i can not use it to direct activity. help me help you over here wouldja. [08:02]
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solrodar mircea_popescu: thank you [08:03]
mircea_popescu soo, addy ? [08:03]
solrodar 1P1oJaEySqBCXcuyVVgKSyLYF7u2zKXzhW [08:03]
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mircea_popescu b6f7f5ce3ab9bddf0bf5c32ec4b01d7ac5a590396ff87ae0a846975cd5303458 solrodar. thanks for your help! [08:08]
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solrodar !rate mircea_popescu 1 accepted call graph work [08:14]
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mircea_popescu actually looking at the ratings i would guess this was actually accepted and i just didn't get the memo. all the better. [08:15]
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solrodar asciilifeform didn't like the graph layout but was willing to accept it as long as I released details of how it was produced [08:17]
mircea_popescu aite. [08:17]
solrodar but then he wasn't able/willing to test it himself [08:17]
mircea_popescu "Instead of being a guarantor of stability and long-term safety that each of us cannot build or even maintain on our own, policies in the information technology industries have turned into guarantors of instability and short-term profiteering, effectively betting the future on the fun we can have today, a massive lottery where everybody loses, especially the guy who wins $25 million and discovers that everybody else ha [08:17]
mircea_popescu s to _continue_ to play (read: lose money to) the lottery for him to get monthly installments." ahaha check it out, naggum gets infinitesimaly close to comprehending the nature of the bezzle. [08:17]
solrodar so I ended up two degrees of separation away from the person paying me :P [08:17]
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mircea_popescu exactly http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-07-2015#1212195 [08:17]
assbot Logged on 24-07-2015 18:13:48; mircea_popescu: so now owner of palantir goes out and buys himself fiddy million twenty dollar hookers, amirite. [08:17]
mircea_popescu solrodar this is how bureaucracies are born. [08:18]
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mircea_popescu "The software industry has turned into a pyramid game because the government valuation strategies for software have penalized longevity. It has absolutely _nothing_ to do with the so-called "rapid pace" of the technological development. It isn't rapid and I'll dispute a claim of general development, too. It's all about marketing old ideas in new and ever more shiny wrappings, and nobody does that better than Microso [08:19]
mircea_popescu ft today. Their "innovation" is _purely_ restricted to more shiny wrappings, because that is where the money is in today's market." << ahaha yeah! check it out... [08:19]
mircea_popescu why is it that the greatest republic in history uses "antiquated" software from 1990 as in the case of gpg, why are we on irc, etc etc ? because rapid pace of what ? [08:20]
mircea_popescu if the past two decades of rapidpace never happened, we'd be in a much better position, not having to waste time trying to figure out how the fuck to even get static binaries made anymore. [08:20]
mircea_popescu man has a point. there has been NO inovation worth the mention, and no "HDTV" and stupid ass bootstrap don't count. [08:21]
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shinohai ;;later tell asciilifeform off to buy tea if these are the proper instructions: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html [09:56]
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shinohai https://raymii.org/s/articles/Running_TSS_8_on_the_DEC_PiDP-8_i_and_SIMH.html [11:40]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213160 << aha [12:32]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 12:53:23; shinohai: ;;later tell asciilifeform off to buy tea if these are the proper instructions: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html [12:32]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213165 << ugh, 'raspberry'. betcha it can't keep up with an actual pdp8 ~in real time in all cases~ [12:33]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 14:37:04; shinohai: https://raymii.org/s/articles/Running_TSS_8_on_the_DEC_PiDP-8_i_and_SIMH.html [12:33]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213050 << nonsensical? beg to differ. or do i have to post a binary with priv elevation that actually ~does~ format hdd, to prove this point [12:37]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 09:35:50; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212834 << you know it maybe bears repeating that nonsensical dire warnings are just as bad as no warnings at all. [12:37]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213080 << ever been to a movie theatre ? was it 720 px wide ? [12:38]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 09:59:19; mircea_popescu: nobody wants it, forget it. 720px wide forever. [12:38]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213082 << did the summarizer of #b-a logs go anywhere ? [12:38]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 10:15:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212997 << i vaguely remember people trying to hire someone to summarize all this. it.... never got anywhere. [12:38]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213084 << what little is left of the ~actual~ ibm products gives me a kind of 'retro', nostalgic vibe. because - pre-microshit. [12:39]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 10:30:29; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213012 << the ibm-ibm of today is so lulzy tho [12:39]
asciilifeform to the point that i'd much rather program for, e.g., s/390, than for pc. [12:41]
asciilifeform but - that meatwot is locked up nice&tight. [12:41]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213088 >> see also >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-05-2015#1118807 [12:43]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 10:31:47; mircea_popescu: the plain sad factual truth of the matter is, that there was no manna there to begin with. [12:43]
assbot Logged on 03-05-2015 03:07:38; asciilifeform: http://www.scribd.com/doc/174003340/Joseph-Weizenbaum-Computer-Power-and-Human-Reason-From-Judgement-to-Calculation-1976#scribd << warez copy [12:43]
* asciilifeform has always found the use of the word 'productivity' standing alone to be batshit - productivity ~at what~ ? [12:44]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213098 << in point of fact, it is ~not~ still there. for the same reason that we no longer have the horse supply and maintenance system circa 1880. [12:45]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 10:38:43; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213025 << it never left, you know. it's still here. if you're willing to take z80 as "state of the art", the whole shebang is still here. problem is you want a different state of the art, because we actually need it, because z80 mined bitcoin can't survive in the field. and so... [12:45]
mircea_popescu nah, it didn't go anywhere [12:45]
asciilifeform those factories are not there. and there is no economic mechanism for building them again. [12:45]
mircea_popescu and the only reason i'd go to a movie theatre is to get a public blowjob. [12:45]
mircea_popescu or i suppose for the same reason i'd visit a viking boat. [12:45]
shinohai I haven't been to theatre in forever, but I do plan on going to see Hateful Eight. [12:47]
mircea_popescu get a bj. [12:48]
shinohai Ok, QT and a BJ [12:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i meant "still there" in a more abstract sense. yes there's not currently hay supplies and horse barns. but if need be - they can be. [12:49]
mircea_popescu this is very much unlike the situation of say, damascus steel [12:49]
mircea_popescu that IS actually lost. [12:49]
mircea_popescu https://www.keyshot.com/forum/index.php?topic=9701.0&sa=X&ved=0CCQQ9QEwA2oVChMI9tDqopL5xgIVhoGQCh0EugHE << heh lulzy. [12:50]
assbot Damascus Steel ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2LRFG ) [12:50]
shinohai trilema is down? T_T [12:50]
mircea_popescu prolly. [12:52]
mircea_popescu weekend warriors at work [12:52]
shinohai Because DDOS is the greatest tool of todays breed of 1337 haxx0rs. [12:55]
mircea_popescu anyway, it'll be back eventually you can read it then [12:56]
mircea_popescu can hit refresh in the meanwhile or do something else :D [12:56]
shinohai I'm actually following asciilifeform 's excellent tea advice today while doing pogo research. On my second pot already. [12:57]
shinohai God bless samovars. [12:57]
mircea_popescu we're out of samovars ;/ [12:58]
shinohai I inherited one from my grandmother, wouldn't take a bzillion dollars for it. [13:02]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213201 << aaactually... just about every time someone tried to restart production of a long-dead tech, it turns out to have substantial elements of 'damascus' in it [13:05]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 15:46:22; mircea_popescu: this is very much unlike the situation of say, damascus steel [13:05]
asciilifeform in that many of the crucial details died with the folks who set up the lines [13:05]
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shinohai http://www.unilad.co.uk/articles/porn-star-creates-darth-vader-out-of-sex-toys-obviously/ [13:26]
assbot Porn Star Creates Darth Vader Out Of Sex Toys, Obviously ... ( http://bit.ly/1gdLGRi ) [13:26]
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pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P71YUXLNveE << taleb on education. [13:42]
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pete_dushenski "Barack Obama told Kenyans on his first presidential trip to his father's homeland that there was "no limit to what you can achieve" but said they had to deepen democracy, tackle corruption and end exclusion based on gender or ethnicity." << lulz. [14:08]
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pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213050 << not gunna lie. alf's skull and crossbones routine has actively deterred me from tinkering with 0.5.x releases. i'm probably not alone in waiting for the 'official perfect release' either. [14:13]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 09:35:50; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212834 << you know it maybe bears repeating that nonsensical dire warnings are just as bad as no warnings at all. [14:13]
pete_dushenski so fuck it, ima play with it today ! [14:13]
asciilifeform play, but treat with respect, like a loaded pistol [14:14]
asciilifeform that is what the skull is intended to say. [14:15]
pete_dushenski that may be your intention, but that's not necessarily what comes across [14:15]
pete_dushenski mebbe tis just my limited experience with poisons. [14:16]
asciilifeform we all keep poisons in household [14:16]
pete_dushenski and of course, the dose makes the poison [14:16]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: and some of our household poisons are ingested intentionally and measuredly [14:17]
pete_dushenski others, how much is ok ? [14:18]
pete_dushenski long-term exposure tough to test empirically [14:18]
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shinohai Every build I have tried so far has been smooth *except* for the pogo, pirate warnings be damned. [14:23]
thestringpuller pete_dushenski: Contravex got Circle of Life stuck in my head. [14:23]
pete_dushenski bahaha nice. [14:23]
asciilifeform shinohai: skull is not about 'rough build' [14:23]
asciilifeform poison mushrooms taste great. [14:23]
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* jurov wonders what warning/pictogram would alf put to a code actually controlling a thermonuclear device [14:34]
asciilifeform a 'smiley.' [14:34]
pete_dushenski 'thumbs up' [14:34]
pete_dushenski something you'd see on the side of a pepsi can [14:34]
jurov beckham? [14:35]
pete_dushenski http://18ntu21bopm439dwudgtv4fi.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Pepsi-emojis-12x355ml.png [14:40]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2VsfT ) [14:40]
jurov lol first time i saw that. they prolly knew it's not suitable in this corner of world [14:41]
pete_dushenski it's all over billboards here. [14:42]
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trinque lol @ smiley on the nuke button [14:43]
jurov here they just slapped on various football (read: soccer) players and shakira [14:44]
pete_dushenski http://b.fastcompany.net/multisite_files/fastcompany/imagecache/slideshow_large/slideshow/2015/07/3048710-slide-p-1-pepsi-celebrates-world-emoji-day-with-more-emoji.jpg << eg. [14:44]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2VSCY ) [14:44]
trinque how hip and relevant of them [14:44]
pete_dushenski i honestly thought it was just a response to coke's bizarrely succesful 'names' campaign [14:45]
jurov dunno, maybe shakira would be suitable pictogram for nuclear device too [14:45]
pete_dushenski i didn't get the 'emoji' tie-in till i just tried searching for images a minute ago. [14:46]
pete_dushenski http://r.duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.everyjoe.com%2Ffiles%2F2011%2F02%2Fshakira-nice-ass.gif << in ascii [14:48]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2WgRN ) [14:48]
pete_dushenski sorry http://www.everyjoe.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/shakira-nice-ass.gif [14:48]
pete_dushenski seems ddg does the same stupid link stealing that goog does... [14:49]
trinque gotta snag those outbound clicks [14:49]
trinque I bothered to take the first myers-briggs test on your penultimate post [14:51]
pete_dushenski and ? [14:51]
trinque got ISTP this time, whereas in the past INTP [14:51]
trinque was interesting, I hadn't read that profile before, and it seemed to fit rather well [14:52]
pete_dushenski hey cool. [14:52]
mircea_popescu she does have a great ass. [14:52]
pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oxDsEVqnyY << electrified kondom ftw. [14:52]
assbot Electric Eel: Digital Condom Prototype - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2WHvr ) [14:52]
trinque the difference seemed to address a need I have for picking the damn thing up, breaking it, so on, to understand fully [14:53]
mircea_popescu speaking of condoms... for many years, i was using imported magnums. broke like...i dunno, twenty over a decade ? easily 1%. [14:54]
mircea_popescu for the past year or so, using local stuff. never broke one. went through 2-300 by now. [14:54]
mircea_popescu us products suck omfg. [14:54]
pete_dushenski i dun think i ever broke more than one magnum in all my years. [14:55]
pete_dushenski mebbe 2 ? [14:55]
* asciilifeform happened to read log bottom-up, and did not immediately realize that the 'magnum' was a condom... [14:55]
trinque lol [14:55]
trinque I find the damn things extremely annoying [14:56]
shinohai iirc, weren't condoms formerly made of sheep intestines? [14:56]
trinque but maybe this is due to inferior american condom stock [14:56]
pete_dushenski shinohai: wasn't that haggis ? [14:56]
shinohai nm, found it: http://lambskincondoms.org/ [14:56]
assbot Lambskin Condoms FAQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2X3C8 ) [14:56]
shinohai ewww, haggis [14:56]
asciilifeform hey it was the original item. [14:57]
asciilifeform sausage casing. [14:57]
asciilifeform (phun phakt: until well into 20th c, they were re-usable) [14:57]
mircea_popescu so were women [14:57]
asciilifeform l0l wat [14:57]
shinohai Well, guess I'll just rinse this out and stretch it over the end of the broom to dry .... [14:57]
trinque http://lambskincondoms.org/#seven << could get all kinds of condoms outta this guy [14:58]
assbot Lambskin Condoms FAQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2X7SF ) [14:58]
pete_dushenski "we've forgotten how two women from California ran a firm that pioneered influential practices such as attention to product aesthetics, vertical integration (Vector has its own in-house software developers), and establishing training networks, providing packaged PC solutions, and treating employees like an extended family. Some of what Vector pioneered is now intertwined into the tech industry's DNA. Thanks to V [14:58]
pete_dushenski ector, the origins of the personal computer cannot be separated from the story of women in technology. The personal computer has always belonged to all of us." << speaking of women. [14:58]
mircea_popescu amusingly, anyone ever orange/lemon/etc juice on condom ? [14:58]
mircea_popescu if anyone did the entire "aesthetics" bs it was jobs [14:59]
shinohai I haven't. Does the acid do something unique? [14:59]
mircea_popescu never heard of this "Vector" thing [14:59]
mircea_popescu shinohai yeah, it ruins the polymer, you end up with a milky white, brittle thing [15:00]
asciilifeform what is the point of this [15:00]
pete_dushenski http://www.fastcompany.com/3047428/how-two-bored-1970s-housewives-helped-create-the-pc-industry << source. [15:00]
assbot How Two Bored 1970s Housewives Helped Create The PC Industry | Fast Company | Business + Innovation ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2Xpsw ) [15:00]
trinque every shartup in the valley has someone who thinks he's jobs [15:00]
shinohai *shartup* [15:01]
pete_dushenski bit o' revisionist history for the logs readers. [15:01]
trinque https://b.fastcompany.net/multisite_files/fastcompany/poster/2014/03/3028397-poster-p-1-how-mike-judge-and-alec-berg-captured-silicon-valley.jpg << praise be to mike judge [15:01]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2Xrkj ) [15:01]
mircea_popescu "how X did Y that they never actually did but hey, marketing!" [15:02]
mircea_popescu "how obama made sense in english" "how putin doesn't understand how the world works" "how a bored housewife discovered the secret barbers hate" [15:02]
trinque looking at where it ended up, I don't really have that much respect for Jobs [15:04]
trinque worlds most profitable toy company [15:04]
trinque his notable qualities were what, having an eye for art and being "mean"? [15:04]
mircea_popescu don't knock "being mean". it alone is enough to succeed in twerpland. [15:05]
trinque sort of what I meant by it [15:05]
trinque low bar [15:05]
trinque imagine if he'd been mean and understood a computer at the same time [15:06]
mircea_popescu imagine if your pet chicken spoke klingon [15:06]
trinque lol [15:06]
trinque can't have both? [15:07]
trinque come on, lets get asciilifeform a turtleneck [15:07]
asciilifeform waiwat [15:07]
mircea_popescu or pancreatic cancer [15:08]
asciilifeform laugh, but how many would fellate jobs if he were alive [15:08]
asciilifeform his shrivelled corpse is the real superstar - like evita's [15:09]
chetty how many dont even care if he is alive or not? [15:09]
pete_dushenski bbiab [15:09]
jurov maybe he secretly let deep froze himself [15:10]
trinque I think he saw a computer as an appliance [15:14]
trinque wanted to make sure the buttons on the thing were designed just so [15:14]
trinque the utter lack of programmability (automator? lol, fuck off) shows they did not even consider how a thinking person would use the thing [15:15]
trinque as an appliance, the thing should obviously have one button labeled "cook", and no thought required from there [15:16]
trinque so here I am in 2015 with stumpwm stapled to emacs, blood leaking from the field sutures [15:17]
mircea_popescu lol [15:17]
asciilifeform 'no one has ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of the american public' (tm) (r) [15:17]
trinque ^ [15:17]
jurov if only two nerds could agree on best tools and practices...imo other professions have much less fragmentation [15:26]
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trinque jurov: need an environment where the nerd can develop his own tools/practices [15:28]
trinque hooks... on goddamn everything [15:28]
jurov really, reinvent everything? [15:29]
trinque not everything; the layer commonly referred to as the user interface should be a programming interface [15:29]
trinque nothing that hasn't been said and done before [15:30]
asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=836 << obligatory [15:30]
assbot Loper OS » Programmer’s Editors, Illustrated. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I30CIN ) [15:30]
trinque asciilifeform: indeed, you've said this well throughout [15:30]
jurov editor and user interface are actually only small part of toolset [15:30]
trinque this joke I'm working with currently is the shanty-house I cobbled together out of scrap metal [15:30]
* asciilifeform believes that the widespread preoccupation with 'customizable' has more to do with the abysmal state of the art than with anything else [15:30]
trinque jurov: an example, I have keybindings for various stages of various workflows [15:31]
trinque wrote a shitty tool called summon which can launch things, arrange them, switch between layouts, so on [15:31]
trinque I don't wanna arrange my goddamn tools each tie [15:31]
trinque *time [15:31]
trinque and I will never release summon, because it's a piece of shit [15:32]
trinque jurov: lets say I like this particular web site's regex tester, and I want that in a particular spot each time I am editing a regex in emacs [15:35]
trinque I want it gone when my cursor leaves, all that [15:35]
trinque I'm trumping up an example that demands composable behavior across several programs [15:36]
trinque from where I sit currently, I wouldn't even bother [15:36]
trinque far from impossible, yet cost is too damn high for me not to lose interest by the time I'm squirting JS at a browser from emacs [15:37]
trinque now sum that across my career... how many superior ways of working have I *not* developed because the time involved didn't feel worth it? [15:37]
mircea_popescu re that image, i notice i've mostly been using... nano [15:38]
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asciilifeform http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/05/14/george_r_r_martin_writes_on_dos_based_wordstar_4_0_software_from_the_1980s.html << and many other pro writerz also [15:41]
assbot George R.R. Martin writes on DOS-based WordStar 4.0 software from the 1980s. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I32Vvc ) [15:41]
asciilifeform folks who know better ~in their bones~, piss on winblowz. and on 'ubuntu.' etc [15:42]
mircea_popescu speaking of ubuntu, [15:43]
mircea_popescu am i correct in reading between the lines of hanbot's efforts that in point of fact someone carefully packaged a debian/ubuntu "equivalent" of the gcc package that allows static linking which in point of fact and quite pointedly DOES NOT allow static linking ? [15:44]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: recall, static linking was Officially Deprecated [15:45]
mircea_popescu that is one thing [15:46]
asciilifeform (to the tune of rms senile snoring) [15:46]
mircea_popescu but making packages that purport to be equivalent and then miss parts seems a bit cosmic ray-y [15:46]
mircea_popescu not like they accidentally forgot to include nigger-super-systems [15:46]
asciilifeform in turdmeisterdom, for some years, 'missing deprecated pieces' ~= 'same' [15:46]
mircea_popescu or w/e nss stands for [15:46]
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wywialm hi, I'm sure it has already been somehow settled - what is recommended instead of debian? [15:54]
mircea_popescu hardly settled [15:54]
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wywialm I know you once recommended debian sarge. Would you recommend wheezy now? [15:59]
mircea_popescu i just said i used to use it. and nah. i'd still recomend sarge o.O [16:01]
mircea_popescu but really, the official ba os is still an open ended question [16:02]
asciilifeform not sure if b-a unix can be even in principle other than 'buildroot'. [16:03]
asciilifeform (or perhaps a bsd variant thereof) [16:03]
trinque openbsd dead yet? I just grew to like it, so I'm sure it must be [16:03]
wywialm I one got fascinated by asciilifeform's project inspired by OpenGenera - is it still active? [16:03]
asciilifeform i don't have a project inspired by opengenera [16:03]
wywialm once* [16:04]
asciilifeform nope, never [16:04]
wywialm perhaps I misunderstood you, but I read that you plan to design a sane os and (in other blog posts) pointed to opengenera as an example of such system [16:05]
asciilifeform it was an example of a variety of ~sane behaviours in an os~ [16:06]
asciilifeform very different thing. [16:06]
wywialm ah, ok [16:06]
asciilifeform sorta like how a courageous man on a movie screen is not the same as actual hero [16:06]
wywialm is LoperOS project active then? [16:07]
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asciilifeform wywialm: active in the sense that i'm not dead yet [16:07]
wywialm :) [16:08]
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trinque in other news, I think the db project I've described was us inventing a shittier metaobject protocol in SQL [16:10]
trinque :p [16:10]
trinque as it happens, I have those two books gabriel_laddel recommended on the way [16:11]
trinque I'm growing convinced that CLOS plus something intelligently mapping objects into and out of memory does everything I've ever called "database" [16:15]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213115 << mircea_popescu: solrodar got my message, knows where i am in derping along to testing his work. [16:19]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 10:56:13; solrodar: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213044 << if you've managed to get clang to work, are you able to check my script? [16:19]
ben_vulpes in re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213123 [16:19]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 10:59:15; mircea_popescu: specifgically i will put asciilifeform, ben_vulpes and everyone else on notice to the following fact : if you don't effectually and effectively take delivery of these sorts of things, it's not that my 1 btc or w/e is wasted. it's thjat the remainder of my stash is wasted, because lo! i can not use it to direct activity. help me help you over here wouldja. [16:19]
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trinque ben_vulpes: trigger warning https://medium.com/relevant-stories/rel-chapter-1-907ff616bf80 [16:26]
assbot How we turned JSON into a full programming language — relevant stories — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1LK9t8q ) [16:26]
trinque and isn't this exactly what happens any time someone tries to make a "declarative" language [16:26]
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ben_vulpes p-plz no trigger [16:27]
trinque https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/fit/c/410/410/0*U9J3xqWnqSBO5ozP.jpg << the chucklefuck responsible [16:30]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKa7CW ) [16:30]
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mats sweet bowtie [17:40]
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punkman http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/p0f3/ [17:41]
assbot p0f v3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1geeg4R ) [17:41]
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pete_dushenski ;;ticker [17:46]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 292.49, Best ask: 292.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 292.5, 24 hour volume: 9425.9633864, 24 hour low: 287.85, 24 hour high: 294.57, 24 hour vwap: None [17:46]
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ben_vulpes solrodar, asciilifeform: http://cascadianhacker.com/bitcoin/callgraph/ << the sexprs generate, the scripts run, the svg is nominally an svg (eg has piles of xml i don't care to sift through) but doesn't render anything through any tools I have on hand. [19:01]
assbot Index of /bitcoin/callgraph/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1gXRYVd ) [19:01]
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ben_vulpes gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213404 [19:05]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 19:11:55; trinque: I'm growing convinced that CLOS plus something intelligently mapping objects into and out of memory does everything I've ever called "database" [19:05]
ben_vulpes trinque: "but single host isn't web-scale!" [19:06]
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gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: trinque: one *could* do some tests on manardb to see if this strategy it is speedy enough for the problems you've got [19:09]
gabriel_laddel I've a list of programmers included in the "info" tab of the program I wrote for work. The idea being that if I"m not around and something goes wrong, they contact one of these people. Let me know if you want to be on that list. [19:10]
gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: [19:11]
gabriel_laddel http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212843 << lol [19:11]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 02:55:08; trinque: motherfucker... I google this AWS issue I'm having, and find myself bitching about said problem here two months ago [19:11]
ben_vulpes http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/kendra-sunderland-oregon-state-library-girl/ [19:11]
assbot The surprisingly sad saga of the Oregon State Library Girl ... ( http://bit.ly/1KsjEeG ) [19:11]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: i can't resist asking - why would anybody want to be on that list for free ?? [19:11]
ben_vulpes ;;ticker [19:12]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 292.74, Best ask: 292.75, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 292.74, 24 hour volume: 9212.27838714, 24 hour low: 287.92, 24 hour high: 294.57, 24 hour vwap: None [19:12]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: potential CL work? [19:12]
ben_vulpes so long as they cough up ~.6 btc/hr, sure. [19:12]
gabriel_laddel nah, it's bezzle [19:12]
asciilifeform ^ [19:12]
ben_vulpes or the bezzlequivalent. i ain't picky - food credits is food credits. [19:12]
gabriel_laddel kk, adding [19:13]
gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: you specifically or your dev shop? [19:13]
ben_vulpes "call this guy who knows thing about my codebase but probably can handle it" [19:13]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel has the authority to hire subcontractors just like this ? [19:13]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: wot [19:13]
ben_vulpes who are they to trust but him? [19:13]
gabriel_laddel I'm mentioning this because people say it's so goddamn hard to get CL work, which I have not found to be the case. [19:14]
ben_vulpes gabriel_laddel: i'd probably bite it off myself, simply because there isn't much by way of CL horsepower around the shop. [19:15]
ben_vulpes that said, give me six hours and i can figure out whatever's in flight and load it into someone else's head. [19:15]
ben_vulpes good way to minimize single points of failure. [19:15]
* asciilifeform is aware of folks who hire for 'we don't care what you write it in', but shudders at the thought of 'cl work' - it could only result from an astonishingly gnarly pre-existing codebase [19:15]
gabriel_laddel ummm [19:16]
ben_vulpes it's the 'work' part you really object to, let's be honest here. [19:16]
asciilifeform no shit [19:16]
ben_vulpes cranks need turning, no avoiding that. [19:16]
ben_vulpes gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: did you see the libuv folks are colonizing cl? [19:17]
asciilifeform nope [19:17]
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gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: yeah [19:17]
ben_vulpes "cl-async" [19:17]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: No one ever gets called to extend a program's feature-set? Nonsense. [19:17]
asciilifeform derps can 'colonize cl' in precisely the same way redditards colonize bitcoin. [19:18]
gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: I don't know anything aobut libuv and as such didn't comment. [19:18]
ben_vulpes simply smells of node to me. [19:18]
asciilifeform which is to say, from their point of view, they will always succeed. [19:18]
asciilifeform cranks need turning, no avoiding that. << wtf is the point of a computer if not to avoid this ? [19:19]
ben_vulpes the "async" cl webserver the nodebros are banging on about blocks the repl when instantiated in a cl-async 'event loop', unlike how hunchentoot starts a server and then returns on threaded sbcl. [19:20]
asciilifeform l0l ! [19:20]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: well the cranks that turn the cranks need to be written, and then the machine that turns the meta-cranks built. [19:20]
asciilifeform blocks repl, as in, runs single-threaded ?! [19:20]
ben_vulpes (as:with-event-loop (as:await (sleep 3))) will indeed block. [19:20]
asciilifeform what are they using for a runtime?! xlisp under msdos ?!! [19:21]
ben_vulpes i suspect that they're not using emacs, but rather doing the "compile, run" thing. [19:21]
asciilifeform even then [19:21]
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asciilifeform wtf is the point? [19:21]
ben_vulpes looks like braindamage, smells like braindamage, can't say as i care to dig further into it when there are food credits to scrape up elsewhere and the scraping to automate. [19:22]
* asciilifeform wonders why these folks took cl from the shelf, rather than something more 'komyoonitiful' [19:22]
ben_vulpes heh like the "modern cl" thinger? [19:22]
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asciilifeform any number of [19:22]
asciilifeform at any rate, there is a lesson: the difference between ending up like this in cl and in, e.g., python, is sorta like the difference between being covered in own shit in civilian life, vs. inside an oubliette [19:24]
asciilifeform in the latter cases, respectively, it is an expected thing. [19:24]
gabriel_laddel http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213475 << bahahahaa [19:24]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 22:16:44; ben_vulpes: the "async" cl webserver the nodebros are banging on about blocks the repl when instantiated in a cl-async 'event loop', unlike how hunchentoot starts a server and then returns on threaded sbcl. [19:24]
gabriel_laddel I can't wait for the inevitable blog post about how "CL isn't really all that good" and "the language has serious problems and a lack of tooling" [19:25]
asciilifeform iirc yegge already wrote that one [19:25]
* ben_vulpes really off with dog now [19:26]
gabriel_laddel Yep. Him and many others. One rubyist had a particularly entertaining one where he complained about Naggum (who had already passed) being "toxic for the community". [19:27]
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asciilifeform in precisely the same way as mircea_popescu 'is toxic' to the derpunity [19:27]
ben_vulpes (i happen to enjoy the amount of study that writing cl takes) [19:28]
gabriel_laddel ben_vulpes: what, like trolling through CLHS? [19:28]
ben_vulpes and cltl2 [19:28]
gabriel_laddel "... a magnificent job. I have never seen a language description that is more complete or more precise, yet each chapter is throughly enjoyable and subtly witty. The book is absolutely indispensable for all serious LISP students and users; its high quality is a major reason why Common LISP is *the* LISP of the future" - Patrick Henry Winston [19:31]
gabriel_laddel (from the back of cltl2) [19:32]
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shinohai I don't see mp as "toxic", he merely destroys the illusions people have of themselves and leaves them standing with the truth of what they are. [19:40]
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gabriel_laddel shinohai: in derpspeak, this is "toxic" [19:42]
shinohai Oh I know. Anything that measure up to the r/bitcoin status quo is automatically "trolling" or "toxic to the community". [19:43]
shinohai *doesn't [19:44]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: Compare: Symbolics demo reel 1989 ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4HXPJtym2Q ) to Pixar demo reel 1988 ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__3aAOBWW60 ) and note Symbolics wasn't a graphics company. [19:48]
assbot SYMBOLICS GRAPHICS DIVISION DEMO REEL 1989 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KsmBMf ) [19:48]
assbot Pixar Sales Demo Reel from 1988 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KsmBMj ) [19:48]
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punkman https://2ton.com.au/rwasa/ [19:56]
assbot rwasa | 2 Ton Digital ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mvf9TU ) [19:56]
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mats http://dslab.epfl.ch/proj/cpi [21:18]
assbot Code-Pointer Integrity - Dependable Systems Lab ... ( http://bit.ly/1JoxYpL ) [21:18]
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BingoBoingo http://bsdly.blogspot.ca/2015/07/the-openssh-bug-that-wasnt.html [22:23]
assbot That grumpy BSD guy: The OpenSSH Bug That Wasn't ... ( http://bit.ly/1VHWrLQ ) [22:23]
mircea_popescu pam sucks eh ? mkay. [22:30]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo btw, ever got eulora to run ? [22:30]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell gabriel_laddel youtube decided to do some "upgrade" or other and as a result it no longer works. sorry. [22:31]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:31]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall hearing that they were finally abolishing 'flash' there [22:32]
mircea_popescu i was not using flash. [22:32]
BingoBoingo Not yet. Now that I've got the right Crystal Space got to take the time to compile it. Still, Nvidia's CS toolkit doesn't exist on this platform so that should be fun to bang the head against until crystalspace 2.2 removes that dependency [22:32]
mircea_popescu i was using html5. which they never really supported because ads. [22:32]
mircea_popescu i guess they finally squeezed it out. [22:32]
mircea_popescu punkman does it actually do what it claims or does it merely claim stuff it does ? [22:35]
mircea_popescu so /me goes to investigate this kingdom of loathing mud thingee. wikipedia claims 150k players playing regularly. /me has never seen > 500 players logged in. /me is confused. [22:36]
* asciilifeform briefly flipped through the 'rwasa' published code, certain of finding that it links openssl, but - it told the truth; did not do so; has own rsa. can't say much else [22:37]
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asciilifeform i could be mistaken. (because i also did not find where the hell it does it) [22:38]
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asciilifeform unfortunately i do not at the moment have the time for a closer look, currently boiling in a cauldron of wurk [22:38]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel has the authority to hire subcontractors just like this ? << maybe would just like to have it. [22:39]
mircea_popescu which is to say, from their point of view, they will always succeed. << ahaha apt. [22:40]
mircea_popescu "from its own point of view, a bug always conquers all boots." [22:41]
mircea_popescu and in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln598igfTB1qa258ao1_1280.jpg [22:50]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JJ66IN ) [22:50]
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mircea_popescu 4. Just show me how it works, OK? [22:54]
mircea_popescu Not all capabilities of p0f can be showcased here, and as noted, this release candidate still has a relatively small database of fingerprints. That said, here's the most recent positive match p0f has for your IP: [22:54]
mircea_popescu *** Looks like p0f is down for maintenance, sorry. Check back later. *** [22:54]
mircea_popescu meh ok. [22:54]
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punkman asciilifeform: TLS stuff is in that HeavyThing library [22:56]
asciilifeform punkman: it was the only published src iirc [22:56]
punkman mircea_popescu: looks credible, haven't tried it yet though [22:56]
mircea_popescu i dunno, to me it looks perfectly not credible, but then again i'm a toxic asshole. [22:59]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: curious, what part of it sets off your sc4mz0r-detector [23:00]
mircea_popescu be that as it may, "this is a magical brothel where the girls extend ectoplasm cunts and satisfactorily reach your very soul. wanna see it in action ? sure, here : ***not working atm***". [23:00]
asciilifeform from here it looks like just another 'we did X but in asm!' projects [23:01]
asciilifeform used to be a fairly common thing [23:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the part where they make wildly improbable claims (ex : purely passive traffic fingerprinting mechanisms to identify the players behind any incidental TCP/IP communications (often as little as a single normal SYN) without interfering in any way.) but then mishmashingly backtrack on it (this release candidate still has a relatively small database of fingerprints) and so on [23:01]
asciilifeform wai wai [23:01]
mircea_popescu reads exactly like a sophomore paper to me [23:01]
asciilifeform wrong link [23:01]
asciilifeform i was describing the web server in asm item [23:01]
punkman mircea_popescu: oh I meant rwasa looks credible [23:01]
mircea_popescu i was describing the "especially in settings where NMap probes are blocked, too slow, unreliable" bs. [23:02]
mircea_popescu really, they beat nmap, check em out. [23:02]
asciilifeform as for that one, you could, conceivably, look at sequence numbers and learn when a severely broken tcp/ip stack is in use [23:02]
asciilifeform but this is '90 state of the art [23:02]
mircea_popescu but if you did that for any period of time you'd know better than to make the sort of promises htey make. [23:03]
asciilifeform aha [23:03]
mircea_popescu ie, you could just as well NOT be able to identify anything [23:03]
asciilifeform classic academitardation. [23:03]
mircea_popescu the other thing i have nfi idea. [23:03]
mircea_popescu i'm not advanced enough to have an opinion. [23:04]
punkman "For TCP/IP, the tool fingerprints the client-originating SYN packet and the first SYN+ACK response from the server, paying attention to factors such as the ordering of TCP options, the relation between maximum segment size and window size, the progression of TCP timestamps, and the state of about a dozen possible implementation quirks (e.g. non-zero values in "must be zero" fields)." [23:06]
punkman that looks interesting to me [23:06]
mircea_popescu it may well be interesting. [23:06]
punkman http://www.jamiembrown.com/blog/one-in-every-600-websites-has-git-exposed/ [23:16]
assbot One in every 600 websites has .git exposed | Jamie's OC ... ( http://bit.ly/1JJ9raL ) [23:16]
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punkman http://www.ekathimerini.com/199905/article/ekathimerini/news/no-grounds-for-treason-in-varoufakis-suit-says-lawyer [23:22]
assbot ‘No grounds for treason’ in Varoufakis suit, says lawyer | News | ekathimerini.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JJa5oE ) [23:22]
mircea_popescu lmao [23:24]
mircea_popescu put the state in danger of not sucking the eucock eugerly enough ? [23:24]
mircea_popescu clearly treason :D [23:24]
mircea_popescu so funny this shit. these derps are still sitting on that referendum vote right ? [23:25]
punkman Tsipras had to "interpret" it because question made no sense [23:27]
punkman http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/26/greece-yanis-varoufakis-secret-plan-raid-banks-drachma-return [23:28]
assbot Greece rocked by reports of secret plan to raid banks for drachma return | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1JJaNlU ) [23:28]
mircea_popescu lol [23:29]
punkman some flavor of provokatsiya [23:29]
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scoopbot_revived The previous event, the next event, the forever event. http://trilema.com/2015/the-previous-event-the-next-event-the-forever-event/ [23:37]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: l0l! are those 'action' logs auto-generated ? [23:39]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and, does this go both ways? i.e. can one play 'eulora' as a text mud ?! [23:39]
mircea_popescu one should be able to, yes. [23:39]
mircea_popescu !s eulora emacs [23:39]
assbot 1 results for 'eulora emacs' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eulora+emacs [23:39]
mircea_popescu and no, they're me impromptu. [23:39]
* Adlai might be interested in making an emacs client [23:41]
* Adlai generally avoids gooey games [23:42]
mircea_popescu what's gooey ? [23:42]
Adlai a pun :) [23:43]
mircea_popescu anyway, diana_coman has been doing some work on making a client api, might be useful stepping stone. [23:43]
mircea_popescu prolly be released this week, [23:43]
* Adlai still busy elsewhere atm [23:43]
mircea_popescu afaik this would be the first ever case of a 3d mmorpg with a text client [23:44]
mircea_popescu considering vlc has had an ascii art rendering plugin for many years now, there's really no limit to how epic that client could end up [23:46]
mircea_popescu and jurov's working on an irc integration thingee, which i intend to upgrade to gossipd once that's done, and generally... [23:47]
mircea_popescu myeah. [23:47]
mircea_popescu euloraos. [23:47]
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mircea_popescu "other girl won". http://40.media.tumblr.com/abf72051d94fb60d323464b46f15ca29/tumblr_n2fuvwy4i91spdyhpo1_1280.jpg [23:58]
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