Forum logs for 26 Feb 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

thestringpuller	The Federal Reserve act was the best thing that ever happened to the US	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	because such attacks are difficult for ordinary people understand. I have trouble understanding your proposal - ordinary users will be easily bamboozled by a government sponsored security update. Further, when the crisis hits, to disagree with the line, to doubt that the regulators are right, and the problem is the evil speculators, becomes political suicide, as it did in America in 2007, sometimes physical suicide, a	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	s in Weimar Germany.	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	aaanyway.	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	we're not nor will we ever be socialists.	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	the us government, it's agents and assigns are cordially invited to go suck an onion.	[00:00]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: you already predicted the collapse of MtGox for those very reasons	[00:00]
thestringpuller	you even WARNED people not to leave money in MtGox	[00:01]
thestringpuller	what some 10 months ago?	[00:01]
dexX7	http://i.imgur.com/2b8Fec3.jpg	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller yes but in typical commie style, the evil empire is trying to turn things around	[00:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 737 @ 0.00571275 = 4.2103 BTC [-] {11}	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	black is white, up is down, obama vorvarts etc.	[00:01]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: There are also offers for them to try gingering for the buttcoins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gingering	[00:01]
thestringpuller	but then you disregard both teh media and what the government states	[00:01]
thestringpuller	the media gets it wrong	[00:02]
thestringpuller	the government gets it wrong	[00:02]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo lol	[00:02]
thestringpuller	so just listen to the people who know what they are talkinga bout, don't play into the huxley mentality	[00:02]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yx2t5/erik_voorhees_on_bloomberg_tv/	[00:02]
ozbot	Erik Voorhees on Bloomberg TV : Bitcoin	[00:02]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Seems like a better alternatives to the peppers, Prolly spec any actual offers though to use horse radish rather than ginger for the thick root	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	;;google figging	[00:03]
gribble	Figging - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Urban Dictionary: figging: ; tacit: BDSM: Theory and Practice of Figging:	[00:03]
ThickAsThieves	i have a ginger addiction	[00:03]
BingoBoingo	Oh, already a thing. I guess that means there are standards to compare to then.	[00:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 815 @ 0.00583951 = 4.7592 BTC [+] {10}	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	http://chicagomistresswrestler.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/caning-figging-368x236.png	[00:05]
ThickAsThieves	hmm i'm not addicted enough to put it in my butt tho	[00:06]
thestringpuller	and this is where I get back to work	[00:06]
cads	mircea_popescu: that's kinda awesome	[00:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00587499 = 0.47 BTC [+] {2}	[00:06]
cads	I was just reading an article on tha	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	cads which that ?	[00:06]
cads	ginger play :)	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	o i c	[00:07]
BingoBoingo	Horseradish seems perfect for this purpose, a bit of a step up on the intensity http://www.photo-dictionary.com/phrase/2281/horseradish.html	[00:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.00589997 = 0.3658 BTC [+] {4}	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	#ginger ?	[00:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 419 @ 0.00589998 = 2.4721 BTC [+] {2}	[00:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00088212 = 19.6713 BTC [+] {2}	[00:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00589999 = 0.59 BTC [+]	[00:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 133 @ 0.00465 = 0.6185 BTC [+]	[00:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 609 @ 0.00589998 = 3.5931 BTC [-] {7}	[00:10]
BingoBoingo	Eh, We'll make offers to the next person who wants a Macbook Pro	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	benkay https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhWAuE6IAAAVsW9.jpg:large << drones	[00:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 434 @ 0.00589998 = 2.5606 BTC [-] {2}	[00:12]
BingoBoingo	In other news 'Murica scraps extremely effective tool in favor of Vaporware http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/dod-aims-to-scrap-a-10-to-keep-f-35-alive-in-new-budget/	[00:13]
benkay	robot ships!	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	sheeps	[00:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 190 @ 0.00589998 = 1.121 BTC [-]	[00:13]
benkay	mircea_popescu: are you familiar with SkySails?	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i'm off. looking forward to reading more derpage from clueless uninvolved people with delusions of self-importance tomorrow.	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	o, but they're journalists. o, but they're elected in some obscure "representative" group in some obscure country somewhere. o but how is it btc doesn't give a shit! o noes.	[00:14]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Nov 27 22:34:53 2013	[06:07]
nubbins`	selkis	[06:07]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell benkay vaguely.	[06:08]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[06:08]
nubbins`	i saw his name in an associated press article today	[06:08]
joecool	;;rate MagicalTux -9 the single largest contributing factor to negative press on bitcoin and the lack trust of the community, not -10 because kalyhost hasn't burned me yet and I have a bet riding on you going to jail	[06:09]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user MagicalTux has changed from -3 to -9.	[06:09]
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joecool	o wrong chan	[06:10]
joecool	whatever	[06:10]
mircea_popescu	joecool lol amusingly i think i wrote last year about how mtgox is the one single worst thing in btc.	[06:10]
BingoBoingo	joecool: Well, gribble's here it works	[06:10]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: That article is part of the bit I am trying to get on slashdot nao	[06:10]
punkman1	wait, someone uses karpeles' hosting?	[06:11]
mircea_popescu	oic.	[06:11]
mircea_popescu	punkman1 that's nothing, sometimes i see people in btc on linode.	[06:11]
joecool	punkman1: registrar	[06:11]
Apocalyptic	punkman1, heh	[06:11]
[\]	hi	[06:11]
nubbins`	hi	[06:12]
joecool	it's funny how small and quiet the support channel is for it too	[06:12]
[\]	asl	[06:12]
joecool	MT is still sitting in there	[06:12]
Apocalyptic	.d	[06:12]
ozbot	3.130 billion \| Next Diff in 435 blocks \| Estimated Change: 20.0629% in 2d 9h 53m 33s	[06:12]
[\]	its a irc bouncer	[06:12]
[\]	I wouldn't put too much stock in it	[06:12]
nubbins`	18/f/single	[06:12]
kakobrekla	not even laughing stock?	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	[\] you are 12 and what are you doing here	[06:13]
nubbins`	i mean usa	[06:13]
[\]	mircea_popescu: .boobies	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	.d erp	[06:13]
[\]	.bait	[06:13]
joecool	[\]: does he have it issuing commands regularly, i have not seen idle time of over 2 hours ever	[06:13]
ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/8afa1c22159f8c9b336dc829a17cef8a/tumblr_mp47uxcB0B1svc1bto1_500.jpg	[06:13]
joecool	in the past day or so	[06:13]
BingoBoingo	puppies.txt	[06:13]
Apocalyptic	""At this stage the relevant financial authorities, the police, the Finance Ministry and others are gathering information on the case,""	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	oic, at THIS stage.	[06:13]
[\]	Apocalyptic: link	[06:13]
Apocalyptic	that escalated quite quickly	[06:13]
dexX7	joecool: it's silent, because the channel is muted	[06:13]
Apocalyptic	http://www.cnbc.com/id/101446338	[06:13]
ozbot	Japan authorities looking into closure of Mt. Gox bitcoin exchange	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	god forbid they fucking read trilema gathered shit at THAT stage.	[06:13]
joecool	dexX7: not the channel i'm talking about :)	[06:14]
joecool	#mtgox has 625, this channel has 12	[06:14]
joecool	totally different scale	[06:15]
BingoBoingo	Eh, Imma trying to get that April 2013 Trilema on Slashdot, but... weeknights are hard	[06:15]
kakobrekla	13	[06:15]
joecool	:)	[06:15]
Diablo-D3	http://www.cnbc.com/id/101446338,	[06:16]
ozbot	Japan authorities looking into closure of Mt. Gox bitcoin exchange	[06:16]
Diablo-D3	http://www.cnbc.com/id/101446338	[06:16]
ozbot	Japan authorities looking into closure of Mt. Gox bitcoin exchange	[06:16]
[\]	great	[06:16]
[\]	as if we didn't have that link already	[06:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00087924 = 14.6833 BTC [-] {2}	[06:16]
[\]	derp	[06:16]
BingoBoingo	-assets will get all of the links	[06:17]
kakobrekla	trice	[06:17]
jcpham	that wickedfire thread is a good read	[06:18]
[\]	good thing gox has all of pirate's coins.	[06:18]
jcpham	+___+++!	[06:18]
jcpham	1	[06:18]
[\]	I know, because copumpkin is still screwing his sister.	[06:18]
copumpkin	damn right	[06:18]
jcpham	he would've moved to stamp ages ago	[06:18]
[\]	incest is awesome	[06:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00087998 = 20.5915 BTC [+]	[06:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.10801828 = 1.1882 BTC [-] {4}	[06:18]
copumpkin	I only screw sisters	[06:18]
[\]	your own sisters.	[06:19]
jcpham	i never had a sister	[06:19]
[\]	jcpham: because copumpkin screwed her.	[06:19]
BingoBoingo	I though they had Pirate's dollars, because I remember his runaway fail halving value from two digit USD to one digit USD	[06:19]
[\]	then she became your mother, not your sister.	[06:19]
Mats_cd03	would you be my father	[06:19]
[\]	nah, she swallows now	[06:20]
Mats_cd03	do you swallow	[06:20]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla "in triplicate"	[06:20]
mircea_popescu	[\] what mtgox does have is all that's left of bitcoinica coins	[06:20]
jcpham	copumpkin you FUCKED MY SISTER?!?!	[06:20]
mircea_popescu	which will be so lulzy if it isn't already	[06:20]
KRS1	.bait	[06:20]
jcpham	what abstard move	[06:20]
ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/dc31b110863128d01be6823634e590de/tumblr_mwhz2zcJjX1rr5x73o1_1280.jpg	[06:20]
copumpkin	yeah	[06:20]
jcpham	mircea_popescu i'm thinking mtgox is scam	[06:21]
jcpham	i dunno though	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	best buy some debt	[06:21]
BingoBoingo	MtGox Scamming since 2010	[06:21]
KRS1	haha	[06:21]
jcpham	lolololol	[06:21]
[\]	guess its time to set up a new asset on glbse to sell gox debt	[06:21]
[\]	where's goat when you need him? he's good at that.	[06:21]
KRS1	lol \	[06:22]
jcpham	havelock requires credentials	[06:22]
jcpham	so it's out	[06:22]
BingoBoingo	When does MPEX list SYN.GOX	[06:22]
[\]	jcpham: keepass will make as many credentials that you need	[06:22]
nubbins`	what are credentials, anyway!	[06:22]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[06:22]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 \| Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 562.99, vol: 104844.03125090 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 552.861, vol: 64325.15053 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 564.25, vol: 82686.21481199 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 562.8768, vol: 24690.89200000 \| Volume-weighted last average: 561.000604912	[06:22]
jcpham	[\] did you check out teespring	[06:22]
jcpham	for the shirt	[06:22]
[\]	nope	[06:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.0059 = 1.475 BTC [+]	[06:22]
[\]	I figured someone beat me to market	[06:22]
jcpham	same thing as the thing you were doing	[06:23]
jcpham	but you can crowd fund the hirt	[06:23]
jcpham	*shirt	[06:23]
[\]	do they accept bitcoins and allow me to make a large markup?	[06:23]
jcpham	so like it's paul graham YC thing	[06:23]
jcpham	sell it back ot them	[06:23]
nubbins`	i accept bitcoins and allow you to make a large markup	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo moar like ACK.GOX	[06:23]
jcpham	or nubbins`	[06:23]
BingoBoingo	Lol	[06:23]
[\]	how about got.gox	[06:24]
jcpham	nubbins` this shirt: http://www.customink.com/designs/goxyubikey/gjk0-000z-hs5a/twt	[06:24]
jcpham	no infringing logos	[06:24]
jcpham	how much shirt in btc	[06:24]
jcpham	*per shirt	[06:24]
BingoBoingo	Maybe someone can pull a Deprived SYN.GOX vs. ACK.GOX	[06:24]
nubbins`	heh	[06:24]
nubbins`	i like em	[06:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.0059 = 0.1829 BTC [+]	[06:24]
[\]	aww	[06:24]
jcpham	yeah let's do it	[06:25]
nubbins`	jcpham, depends on quantity	[06:25]
[\]	now the ideas been hatched	[06:25]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: How much do you charge for bespoke t-shirts again?	[06:25]
jcpham	i'll fund it	[06:25]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo: depends on quantity ;D	[06:25]
jcpham	or some of it	[06:25]
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BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Singles + unique art. Baseball season is coming up. I need a goal to gamble that purse up to.	[06:25]
nubbins`	a single shirt with a one-color print is around $75	[06:26]
nubbins`	with artwork provided by you	[06:26]
nubbins`	lots of setup time ;)	[06:26]
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BingoBoingo	nubbins`: So If I also commisioned you to art it up on top of that how much could a t-shirt cost?	[06:27]
jcpham	we need to get like a simple site online asap for it	[06:27]
jcpham	i'm setting up a shopify site now for it	[06:27]
KRS1	guys dont worry gox is coming back buy more btc	[06:27]
jcpham	that takes to long	[06:27]
nubbins`	design is $45/h, so it depends what you're looking for	[06:28]
jcpham	single color. single color logo	[06:28]
jcpham	i can zinodaur to do something	[06:28]
jcpham	let's see if he's online	[06:28]
jcpham	what time is it in romania	[06:28]
[\]	http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2014/02/25/101444036-474778471.530x298.jpg?v=1393339121	[06:29]
[\]	dude's a glasshole	[06:29]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: A Bulldozer, fuelled by whiskey and regret. I'm not ordering until baseball makes the money, but I need a goal to bet to.	[06:29]
nubbins`	heh.	[06:29]
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nubbins`	call it an even $150 and i'll print you extras out of the change	[06:30]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Ans what if we skip the T-shirt and print on fancy bedsheets for a toga instead?	[06:30]
nubbins`	HEH	[06:30]
BingoBoingo	I wonder if actual Tyrian purple is still a thing	[06:31]
nubbins`	i'd have to price the sheets, what sort of thread count does sir require?	[06:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.0008788 = 4.394 BTC [-]	[06:32]
BingoBoingo	SInce we are pricing for the impending baseball seasons lets assume no threads, all Chamois	[06:32]
nubbins`	nice, good choice	[06:32]
BingoBoingo	Purple chamois, orange silkscreen	[06:32]
nubbins`	that'll be stylish	[06:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 175 @ 0.0059 = 1.0325 BTC [+] {2}	[06:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.10800014 = 0.432 BTC [-]	[06:33]
BingoBoingo	I'd go to all of the Toga partys in the Midwest and get all of the well entitted 19 year olds	[06:33]
KRS1	Mmm	[06:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.0059 = 0.3835 BTC [+]	[06:34]
KRS1	.bait	[06:34]
ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/33dfe4d7ed36b2d14297562dfeb1ebb3/tumblr_mwv6yswT9D1s0yhsio1_1280.jpg	[06:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.10800027 = 1.728 BTC [+] {4}	[06:35]
BingoBoingo	KRS1: Thinking a bit less european and quite a bit trashier	[06:35]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00088478 = 11.9003 BTC [+] {3}	[06:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 344 @ 0.00586511 = 2.0176 BTC [-] {2}	[06:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.0058487 = 2.047 BTC [-] {3}	[06:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 147 @ 0.0055 = 0.8085 BTC	[06:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00583695 = 0.3502 BTC [-] {2}	[06:48]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/DadBoner/status/438472711493275648	[06:48]
ozbot	Twitter / DadBoner: Kroger manager said, "Did you ...	[06:48]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00577674 = 0.3235 BTC [-] {2}	[06:49]
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asciilifeform	on activists, 'equality', etc. with english subs. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTfw5jDK94Y&app=desktop	[06:49]
asciilifeform	(paging mircea_popescu!)	[06:49]
mircea_popescu	hehe writing an article right now, knee deep in the clouds and whatnot.	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	but inasec.	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2014#531372 kako srsly, still with the motherfucking quotes ?!	[06:56]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[06:56]
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cads	hey mircea_popescu, is there a simple terms explanation for what it means for a brownian process B(t) to be adapted relative to a filtration F_t? I understand that it means that for each t B(t) is F_t measurable, that is, B(t) is always fully measurable against the data F_t carries. In particular we do not require events available only to some future refinement F_s of the filtration.	[06:57]
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cads	I'm wondering where does the filtration come from to begin with.	[06:59]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Very informative.	[07:00]
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cads	I think I could see that the family of stopping times of a given process might let us create a filtration that other processes could be adapted to.	[07:00]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: not sure if 'informative' is the word, but educational, perhaps.	[07:01]
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cads	Oh, all processes have natural filtrations.	[07:05]
BingoBoingo	Well, one thing I remember vividly from undergrad is that the nepali students were some of the chillest people on campus, but woe unto the football player who took a fancy to a Nepali girl and was then introduced to a cricket bat.	[07:05]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.0058 = 0.435 BTC [+]	[07:16]
asciilifeform	;;rate MagicalTux -10 pathetic Judas Goat.	[07:17]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user MagicalTux has been recorded.	[07:17]
mircea_popescu	since i was digging records :	[07:17]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2013&bots=true#93021	[07:17]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[07:17]
mircea_popescu	"Effective immediately, we are discontinuing all business operations pending a business model review. At this time we are unsure when, and if we will resume operations in the future."	[07:17]
mircea_popescu	guess the venue.	[07:17]
BingoBoingo	Vircurex	[07:18]
BingoBoingo	Vircurex used AurumExchange for USD and EU deposits	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	was aurum but hey.	[07:20]
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BingoBoingo	Well, AurumExchange was one of those liberty reserve outposts.	[07:20]
BingoBoingo	Bitpay was willing to pay into them so they at least had a bong	[07:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1169 @ 0.00573669 = 6.7062 BTC [-] {8}	[07:22]
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MisterE	any of you get burned on your shorts yesterday?	[07:25]
MisterE	KRS1: I'm looking at you :p	[07:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2500 @ 0.00084022 = 2.1006 BTC [-] {8}	[07:26]
asciilifeform	'Effective immediately, we are discontinuing all breathing pending an atmospheric gas review. At this time we are unsure when, and if we will resume breathing in the future.'	[07:27]
asciilifeform	StercumExchange (tm)	[07:27]
MisterE	seems reasonable, it is a nuisance	[07:27]
MisterE	like bathing and food	[07:28]
BingoBoingo	.d	[07:28]
ozbot	3.130 billion \| Next Diff in 429 blocks \| Estimated Change: 19.9917% in 2d 8h 50m 18s	[07:28]
BingoBoingo	Everything is a nuisance nao.	[07:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 355 @ 0.00584348 = 2.0744 BTC [+] {3}	[07:28]
MisterE	BingoBoingo: what you up to?	[07:30]
BingoBoingo	MisterE: Enjoying sweet Gox death and hoping for Slashot victory	[07:30]
MisterE	heh I guess that makes 2 of us	[07:31]
MisterE	and update on the /. front?	[07:31]
BingoBoingo	MisterE: I have this package of patented dense -assets knowledge sitting on orage and waiting http://slashdot.org/submission/3366357/mtgox-collapse-should-come-as-no-suprise	[07:31]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/a-compendium-of-basic-points-about-bitcoin-for-the-benefit-of-various-confused-noobs/	[07:51]
ozbot	A compendium of basic points about Bitcoin for the benefit of various confused noobs. pe Trilema - U	[07:51]
mircea_popescu	if anyone sees anything missing...	[07:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6292 @ 0.00087803 = 5.5246 BTC [-]	[07:51]
mircea_popescu	cads im not even sure.	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	perhaps brigher minds could advise.	[07:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 128 @ 0.00088929 = 0.1138 BTC [+] {2}	[07:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.005879 = 0.294 BTC [+]	[07:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.0008891 = 0.1778 BTC [-]	[07:54]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Seems thorough.	[07:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.132 BTC [+]	[07:56]
nubbins`	actually got eulora compiled! but forgot to install a ton of required crystalspace libraries... so didn't get much other than a white screen with "welcome to eulora 0.0.4"	[07:56]
nubbins`	but... progress	[07:56]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` wd!	[07:56]
mircea_popescu	i hear wiki too ?	[07:57]
BingoBoingo	The april 2013 trilema article on GOx is about to make slashdot frontpage.	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	cool	[07:57]
nubbins`	yeah mike_c is sorting out hosting, i've got a saucy domain name reg'd	[07:57]
BingoBoingo	I mean unless @magicaltux does the manual sorting	[07:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.0047 = 0.1598 BTC [+]	[07:58]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform re your video : it made me think of this caragiale piece (playwright, 1800s) : http://www.ilcaragiale.eu/opere/momente_si_schite/intelectualii.html	[07:59]
mircea_popescu	" Sunt chelneri cari, dupa cat au prins pe apucate din dezbaterile si conferintele intelectualilor, pot face mart pe un profesor de universitate, mai ales daca l-or lua repede."	[07:59]
bitcoinpete	Howdy y'all	[08:00]
mircea_popescu	"there are waiters who, from all they've heard from conversations and debates of intellectuals, could put away a university professor, especially should they proceed quickly"	[08:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6675 @ 0.00087803 = 5.8609 BTC [-]	[08:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1673 @ 0.00018499 = 0.3095 BTC [+] {3}	[08:00]
mircea_popescu	mart specifically refers to the loss in backgammon when you lose without having taken out any of your own pieces.	[08:00]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete heya	[08:00]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/bobmcmillan/status/438521842358177793 happened	[08:01]
ozbot	Twitter / bobmcmillan: "Having Mt. Gox shut down is ...	[08:01]
bitcoinpete	Been a few, but I've been up on the logs	[08:01]
bitcoinpete	And I did that blog thing again	[08:02]
bitcoinpete	Perhaps also for noobs	[08:02]
BingoBoingo	Oh, link again?	[08:02]
bitcoinpete	http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/matters-of-merchant-adoption/	[08:02]
ozbot	Matters of Merchant Adoption \| When Bitcoin Met Pete	[08:02]
bitcoinpete	Hardly revelatory, but it's a reassessment of sorts of my previous notion that one should ever try to make "bitcoin more accessible"	[08:03]
bitcoinpete	Which was a strange mental default I had to correct	[08:03]
BingoBoingo	It is an important step forward though	[08:03]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this probably wasn't the purpose of 'compendium of basic points...,' but now i'm marvelling over the ancient forum garbage	[08:04]
asciilifeform	did some chump really build a whatever-the-fuck with a set of leaked sources?	[08:05]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Can they build any other way?	[08:05]
asciilifeform	and if so, why weren't the obligatory logic bombs set off	[08:05]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Not advantageous enough yet?	[08:06]
asciilifeform	(or, are we to think that scammers write honest code)	[08:06]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes.	[08:06]
asciilifeform	and did all of this shit really go down, or was it a dream.	[08:06]
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mircea_popescu	bitfinex (the thing which now is misreported as > 30% of the bitcoin average usd price)	[08:06]
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mircea_popescu	is built out of taking the leaked bitcoinica sources and running them	[08:06]
mircea_popescu	they were (illegally) leaked by amir taaki, who in he process exposed sensitive passwords	[08:07]
mircea_popescu	which resulted in the 3rd theft from there	[08:07]
asciilifeform	lol!	[08:07]
mircea_popescu	and in no case was he authorised to "make open source" the codebase	[08:07]
BingoBoingo	The mysterious antiques dealer	[08:07]
mircea_popescu	which is currently the only asset some new zealand executor has to try and repay the creditors	[08:07]
mircea_popescu	to the tune of i forged, but 10's of k's of btc	[08:07]
mircea_popescu	(mtgox also had some funds held "in escrow" from that debacle,	[08:08]
mircea_popescu	which it had been consistently refused to turn out to said executor)	[08:08]
mircea_popescu	for the obvious reasons.	[08:08]
BingoBoingo	At least New Zealand tries to earn the money back http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlcIKh6sBtc	[08:08]
asciilifeform	perhaps these folks belong in a large glass jar. where they are to feed upon one another, and the last one remaining to be extracted and will perhaps be good for something.	[08:09]
BingoBoingo	I dunno that I'd have made it out of a decent glass jar. I mean I initially came here from Bitcointalk	[08:10]
asciilifeform	not everyone into the jar. just them.	[08:10]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the reason i always encourage people to read the history is quite this : endlessly fascinatingly amusing thing.	[08:10]
mircea_popescu	like a perpetual morning after. "did what ?!"	[08:10]
bitcoinpete	going to bubble tea, yup, bubble tea… be back	[08:11]
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benkay	bubble tea	[08:11]
benkay	balls in your mouth	[08:11]
benkay	never figured that tone out	[08:11]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[08:11]
BingoBoingo	So many mistakes I could have made, but so much more money I could have had even losing to those mistakes	[08:12]
nubbins`	remember "orbits"?	[08:12]
BingoBoingo	The problem is a need for time machines	[08:12]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: fascinating, to a point. children playing with detcord.	[08:12]
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BingoBoingo	Detcord isn't that bad	[08:13]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform precisely.	[08:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00087922 = 8.6164 BTC [+]	[08:14]
asciilifeform	was the cribbed source even interesting in some way?	[08:15]
asciilifeform	or just the usual 'work is too much like work, let's crib it all'	[08:15]
nubbins`	"hey, why reinvent the wheel?"	[08:16]
asciilifeform	(this tale has me in an especially dour mood, given that not long ago i sent a once-promising client packing because he brought in a mountain of artlessly cribbed open source code.)	[08:17]
BingoBoingo	I am the wheel, you seriously don't want to deal with me. You need to reinvent me.	[08:19]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/a-compendium-of-basic-points-about-bitcoin-for-the-benefit-of-various-confused-noobs/#footnote_0_52959 << added that which i regret i forgot on the first pass	[08:19]
ozbot	A compendium of basic points about Bitcoin for the benefit of various confused noobs. pe Trilema - U	[08:19]
mircea_popescu	i am sloppy ;/.	[08:19]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the cribbed source was interesting, yes, in the way of humor.	[08:20]
MisterE	what is cribbed in American?	[08:20]
mircea_popescu	have you read the leaked discussions about the historical operation of bitcoinica ?	[08:20]
asciilifeform	nope	[08:20]
mircea_popescu	it;s linked from the recent mtgox article, because it's the same pattern	[08:20]
mircea_popescu	self trading at a loss.	[08:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: self trading at a loss << arse-mouth system.	[08:21]
asciilifeform	thermodynamically doomed	[08:21]
BingoBoingo	But Bitcoinica had relic hunterz!!!!	[08:21]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[08:21]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo ironically... relics ? scavenger world ? thermodynamically doomed ?	[08:21]
mircea_popescu	this, incidentally, is the core and the whole of nsa's value proposition : people sign, subtly, but definitely, what they do.	[08:22]
nubbins`	MisterE: baseball	[08:22]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: indeed	[08:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00088029 = 11.7959 BTC [+] {2}	[08:22]
mircea_popescu	course in a sense nsa as it is stands in a relation to nsa-as-thus-described about roughly as that merry bunch of Meriwether's thieves stood with THEIR sensible value proposition	[08:23]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Any sporting analogy is best as a baseball analogy, the greatest precision is there. Even if the metric is love of the cunts	[08:23]
mircea_popescu	as explained in http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ : "LTCM collected over one billion dollars in capital. If you’ve been following up to here you probably have a question in your mind : what in the world were they going to do with a billion of their own money ? Good question. The fund had access to heavy leverage, as high as 100:1 in many cases. One billion leveraged 100:1 means one hundred billio	[08:23]
mircea_popescu	n, and turn it any way you please there’s not going to be room for deplyoing a hundred billion in capital for the purpose of arbitraging minute differences between the 29 y T and the current T. There just can’t be.	[08:23]
mircea_popescu	So they started dicking around with stock options, betting on mergers, the works. "	[08:23]
mircea_popescu	basically, they had a good idea, got too much resources, fucked up.	[08:23]
asciilifeform	channelling herr naggum: 'It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.'	[08:23]
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BingoBoingo	This is wy I bet on sporting events, I know I can lose.	[08:24]
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BingoBoingo	puppies.txt	[08:26]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell bitcoinpete you should get into the wot and remind me to put you in the bloglist sometime.	[08:26]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[08:26]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell chatquack I put you in the WOT start blogging already	[08:26]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[08:26]
nubbins`	crystal space is a massive build	[08:27]
chetty	yeah CS is huge	[08:27]
mircea_popescu	it's been working out.	[08:28]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: I am starting this baseball betting venture with one hundredth of a bitcoin. Remember that I can not help it if appreciation makes the logistics you dislike a reality.	[08:28]
Jere_Jones	I found building CS to be the easy part.	[08:28]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo, i'm pretty zen about most things	[08:28]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/	[08:28]
ozbot	BitBet - BTC/USD at MtGox will be above $150 on Mar 1st 2014	[08:29]
mircea_popescu	so that's a lock now.	[08:29]
nubbins`	Jere_Jones: easy, just takes so long	[08:29]
BingoBoingo	I wonder if Zhou tong ever itches?	[08:29]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: And the weighting is the best part	[08:29]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo well it's closed by now anyway	[08:29]
BingoBoingo	The right answer is obvious, but betting agaisnt it can't pay	[08:29]
nubbins`	thank fuck for macports, i wouldn't have gotten anywhere with apple's fork of LLVM	[08:29]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` you ever found the problem or just nonspecific kludge ?	[08:30]
nubbins`	never nailed it down, was easier to just install gcc-4.6 and use that	[08:31]
nubbins`	no sense trying to bring a totally different toolchain into the mix	[08:31]
mircea_popescu	not surprising.	[08:31]
mircea_popescu	http://www.voxeu.org/article/german-court-decision-legal-authority-and-deep-power-implications	[08:32]
ozbot	German Court decision: Legal authority and deep power implications \| vox	[08:32]
mircea_popescu	germanz just ruled ecb may not act as lender of last resort.	[08:32]
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mircea_popescu	"It’s tempting to dismiss the decision as incomprehensible legalese or the inability of justices to understand that contemporary financial systems rely on a powerful lender or dealer of last resort to weather financial crises."	[08:35]
mircea_popescu	derp.	[08:35]
mircea_popescu	" this is a bid for power and the return to the pre-crisis paradigm of "	[08:35]
mircea_popescu	derp.	[08:35]
mircea_popescu	basically the consensus of idiots in fiat is that somehow magically the laws of nature have been cancelled for the sake of convenience.	[08:36]
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BingoBoingo	GO GO GADGET BITCOINSACHS	[08:42]
chetty	idiots think man can overrule nature with their 'laws'	[08:42]
KRS1	go go bait	[08:42]
KRS1	.bait	[08:42]
ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/1dbdf72d9ae5a578dbcf945e2bc4cd94/tumblr_mg2axxCOYL1r3bnmvo1_1280.jpg	[08:42]
mircea_popescu	"Founder @dailymuse, YC alum, Inc 15 Women to Watch in Tech 2012, Advisor @hackbright, Productivity expert, Parisian, Former McKinsey, avid cyclist"	[08:42]
mircea_popescu	i wonder what the thought process is when some chick ends up putting on her 2 line resume "i was a X to watch in 2102"	[08:43]
mircea_popescu	doesn't the observation that "soo... if i had been watching you since 2012 i'd have seen nothing ?" come to them at all ?	[08:43]
mircea_popescu	are these people actually dumb ?	[08:43]
BingoBoingo	Depends on which laws and the context	[08:43]
mircea_popescu	but i mean if you have two alcoholic bums sitting on a garbage dumpster somewhere	[08:44]
mircea_popescu	one who is nothing	[08:44]
BingoBoingo	On that last .bait I see tits, but there is also a screaming cyst that needs lanced and dranied	[08:44]
mircea_popescu	and the other who is an alumni of "15 aluminum salesmen to watch in 2012"	[08:44]
mircea_popescu	wouldn't you say the 2nd is much worse a failure ?	[08:44]
nubbins`	heh	[08:45]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo where's the cyst ?	[08:45]
nubbins`	armpit? i think that's not a cyst	[08:45]
mircea_popescu	that's fat imo	[08:45]
BingoBoingo	Left armpit, the purple prominence	[08:45]
nubbins`	certainly not screaming	[08:45]
mircea_popescu	she's losing weight	[08:46]
mircea_popescu	its colored cause shaved irritation	[08:46]
nubbins`	i had a massive cyst on my back once	[08:46]
MisterE	mircea_popescu: ime most people are dumb until proven otherwise	[08:46]
MisterE	happens nubbins` thats not a bad lace	[08:46]
MisterE	place	[08:46]
nubbins`	when it finally got drained there was like a shot glass full of stuff pulled out of it	[08:46]
BingoBoingo	Maybe irritation, but definitely inflamed more than the prominence of the humerous calls for	[08:46]
MisterE	try in your groin or neck	[08:46]
MisterE	BingoBoingo: what's up I was a paramedic for 3-years	[08:47]
MisterE	in the US	[08:47]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem/status/438539797205118976 << BingoBoingo check it out	[08:47]
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ozbot	Twitter / CharlieShrem: Just created a #dogecoin wallet ...	[08:47]
mircea_popescu	lots and lots of further opportunities for maturity	[08:47]
MisterE	nubbins`: that's nothing, when I had to do my prctical training hours I helped to drain a lot of cysts and some produce by the liter	[08:48]
BingoBoingo	I dun want to fight credentials, but it look's like there are already two candidate sinuses	[08:48]
nubbins`	gross	[08:48]
nubbins`	such a smell, too	[08:48]
michiel_l	midnightmagic mikaeldice MiningBuddy mircea_popescu MisterE mius mixdio_	[08:48]
nubbins`	that shit attracts ticks	[08:48]
MisterE	it was indeed	[08:48]
MisterE	man you have no idea the smells of the human body	[08:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00087874 = 34.183 BTC [-] {4}	[08:49]
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MisterE	one of the worst run was a girl who accidentally blew half her boyfriend's head off with a .44 at a shooting range, was totally prepared for smell	[08:49]
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MisterE	those 44s have a very soft pul	[08:49]
MisterE	l	[08:49]
nubbins`	speaking of smells of the human body, one of my roommates took a shit this morning and left a streak on the toilet seat	[08:49]
MisterE	bastard	[08:49]
nubbins`	i know	[08:49]
BingoBoingo	44's always have a soft pull	[08:49]
nubbins`	told him about it	[08:50]
MisterE	you should leave a streak on his pillow	[08:50]
nubbins`	he says "i don't think so... but i'll clean it when i get home from work"	[08:50]
MisterE	ok thats reasonable	[08:50]
nubbins`	as if we'd just leave it there for 10 hours	[08:50]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` how many roomates you got ?!	[08:50]
MisterE	he doesn't sound like a total jerk	[08:50]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu, wife and 2 others	[08:50]
mircea_popescu	wow	[08:50]
nubbins`	they're rarely home. haven't seen one of them in 3 weeks	[08:50]
MisterE	lol I like how he incudes the wife	[08:50]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` so you live with silk road funder ?	[08:50]
MisterE	as if shecould be out for not paying rent :D	[08:51]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: silk road 3.11 for workgroups	[08:51]
nubbins`	i think that's what it's at now?	[08:51]
mircea_popescu	something like that ya	[08:52]
nubbins`	MisterE: hey, she owns all the bitcoins	[08:52]
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nubbins`	i might be the one out when they hit 5k ;D	[08:52]
MisterE	hehe	[08:53]
MisterE	trade up!	[08:53]
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BingoBoingo	I honestly want to take bets on what would culture out of that cyst	[08:53]
nubbins`	we'll never know	[08:54]
MisterE	what a loss to science and society	[08:54]
MisterE	shame	[08:54]
BingoBoingo	I'd put some money on pseumonanas	[08:55]
mircea_popescu	pseudomonas ?	[08:56]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: It is a long shot, but it fits the armpit environment well as a genus	[08:57]
mircea_popescu	speaking of which : pseudomonas putida is the first living thing that was "patented" according to the us courts.	[08:58]
mircea_popescu	lulziest shit ever.	[08:58]
MisterE	Stupid Harvard MBA is stupid	[08:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00087993 = 5.3676 BTC [+]	[08:58]
MisterE	sorry w/c	[08:58]
benkay	may the patenteers all find themselves impaled on golden spikes	[08:59]
BingoBoingo	I was kind of hoping someone would catch that	[08:59]
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mircea_popescu	this thing is valuable because it can break down pretty much anything	[08:59]
mircea_popescu	it can live off caffeine. it can break down polystyrene	[08:59]
BingoBoingo	Much scarier than VRE for sure	[08:59]
mircea_popescu	generaly pseudomonas sp is a good bet for BingoBoingo's purposes cause they're pretty metabolically diverse.	[09:00]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: indeed any culture platter they can own enough to make their genetic markers known.	[09:00]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: i'm to see you for a login account?	[09:02]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/bGBRONP	[09:07]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[09:07]
nubbins`	^ it worked :D	[09:07]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu will do, ty	[09:07]
nubbins`	it picks up mouse clicks but not keyboard input -- but it's very late and i think i've earned a nap, will poke some more tomorrow	[09:08]
BingoBoingo	pseudomonas does indeed lead to some nasty opportunistic infections though	[09:08]
BingoBoingo	Of the sort where painting on Staph Aureus and hoping for the best seems like a sheat from heaven.	[09:09]
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bitcoinpete	Do any of the -asseters live in Brussels or London by chance? I'm heading to Brussels tomorrow and London by the weekend. Have some free time	[09:12]
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BingoBoingo	So... Maybe I should have tried for sunday night again on this. Slash mods are swfully flaky. http://slashdot.org/submission/3366357/mtgox-collapse-should-come-as-no-suprise	[09:13]
bitcoinpete	;;ident []	[09:13]
gribble	Error: "" is not a valid command.	[09:13]
bitcoinpete	;;ident bitcoinpete	[09:13]
gribble	Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is not identified.	[09:13]
bitcoinpete	for php registration is the "pgp long id" the fingerprint, key id, or something else…?	[09:15]
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bitcoinpete	pgp* goodness	[09:15]
Duffer1	;;eauth / ;;everify	[09:16]
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Duffer1	is that what you're asking?	[09:16]
bitcoinpete	ya	[09:18]
BingoBoingo	;;puppies.txt	[09:18]
gribble	Error: "puppies.txt" is not a valid command.	[09:18]
bitcoinpete	;;register too	[09:18]
gribble	(register ) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key with . is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.	[09:18]
bitcoinpete	oh	[09:18]
bitcoinpete	;;register bitcoinpete165749929F9A6BDD	[09:19]
gribble	(register ) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key with . is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.	[09:19]
bitcoinpete	;;register bitcoinpete 165749929F9A6BDD	[09:19]
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BingoBoingo	So.. Guess wht I found out this weekend.	[09:20]
Duffer1	what did you find out this weekend BingoBoingo?	[09:21]
BingoBoingo	Duffer1: During one of my grad school stints I lived in the super mega ghetto http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/local/columbia-firefighter-dies-working-at-scene-of-walkway-collapse/article_fc7f1992-9bca-11e3-9d9e-0017a43b2370.html	[09:21]
BingoBoingo	I knew my apartment was shitty, but not like kill experts in shitty apartments kind of shitty	[09:23]
Duffer1	ya wow	[09:23]
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BingoBoingo	Kind of makes me regret not taking the plaster off of the walls	[09:24]
BingoBoingo	Also, I used to like to park in those spots	[09:25]
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Duffer1	reading about Counterparty atm	[09:26]
BingoBoingo	Cool, better not be that shitty faux coin version	[09:26]
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Duffer1	the caliber of the assets assimilated blogs is impressive	[09:28]
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Duffer1	it would be nice to see it mentioned in #bitcoin-assets Topic	[09:29]
BingoBoingo	assass is decent blog	[09:31]
bit14	what's going on with havelock	[09:33]
dexX7	assass?	[09:33]
Duffer1	http://assass.headfucking.net/	[09:34]
ozbot	Assets Assimilated	[09:34]
BingoBoingo	bit14: No idea Maybe they are dying too?	[09:34]
BingoBoingo	I await my ban on bitcointalk https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=431195.msg5379874#msg5379874	[09:35]
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dexX7	ty	[09:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22536 @ 0.00087782 = 19.7826 BTC [-] {2}	[09:37]
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mircea_popescu	5th a cxharm huh	[09:39]
mircea_popescu	yeah assass in topic can't hurt anything.	[09:40]
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BingoBoingo	I still reload slashdot compulsively for the money	[09:44]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/#comment-98222	[09:46]
ozbot	People have made blogs pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[09:46]
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BingoBoingo	I still have trouble believing I lived in the shithole next to this http://www.kshb.com/news/state/missouri/mizzou-investigating-cause-of-roof-walkway-collapse-at-apartment-building	[09:47]
mircea_popescu	the sex any good at least ?	[09:48]
BingoBoingo	The sex was great	[09:48]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00087911 = 13.5383 BTC [+] {3}	[09:49]
BingoBoingo	i TA's for pharmacy school so undergrads were in bounds, other grad students were inbounds.	[09:49]
BingoBoingo	Just couldn't do the pharm students.	[09:49]
mircea_popescu	well that's why people live in shitholes.	[09:50]
mircea_popescu	the sex is great.	[09:50]
BingoBoingo	Which is kind of a shame cause this Jessie chick had great tits	[09:50]
BingoBoingo	OH, it was such a shithole, but not being from missouti made the sex so easy	[09:50]
mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8w0x8uPW11ru15g3o1_1280.jpg	[09:53]
bitcoinpete	;;gettrust bitcoinpete	[09:54]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net. Trust relationship from user bitcoinpete to user bitcoinpete: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=bitcoinpete&dest=bitcoinpete \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoinpete \| Rated since: never	[09:54]
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mircea_popescu	wd.	[09:54]
BingoBoingo	If that were a pharm student not quite one I'd get fired over, but still one I'd offer salt to to melt their ice	[09:54]
mircea_popescu	bit14 what do you mean ?	[09:55]
bitcoinpete	ty. only took 30 min lol	[09:55]
bit14	mircea_popescu: doar ca e picat https://www.havelockinvestments.com/ :)	[09:56]
BingoBoingo	bit14: Gospidine?	[09:58]
bit14	->just that it's down	[09:58]
mircea_popescu	http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2014/02/25/mt-gox-ceo-says-on-internet-chat-hasnt-given-up/	[10:00]
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mircea_popescu	you know, just like every scammer to date.	[10:00]
mircea_popescu	bit14 lol se mai intimpla gen	[10:00]
bit14	have you seen the log	[10:00]
bit14	http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/179038-my-conversation-mark-karpeles-mtgox-2.html#post2164682	[10:00]
ozbot	My Conversation with Mark Karpeles of MtGox - Page 2 - WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum - Int	[10:00]
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mircea_popescu	soo nubs got eulora to compile on a mac.	[10:01]
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bitcoinpete	off to brussels in the morning. cheers for now	[10:03]
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mircea_popescu	i thought moiety was in london	[10:09]
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*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[16:31]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading	[16:31]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Nov 27 22:34:53 2013	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/PHgbXXc.gif	[16:31]
Bugpowder	SFW?	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	ya	[16:32]
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mircea_popescu	powered off kitten	[16:32]
Bugpowder	lol	[16:32]
Bugpowder	pretty SFW	[16:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26098 @ 0.00088294 = 23.043 BTC [-] {2}	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	since when do you work anyway	[16:33]
Bugpowder	All the fucking time	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	well no i don't mean work in the sense of doing something useful	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	i mean work in the sense of being in a constrained space with a bunch of idiots where you gotta watch what's on your screen	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	ie, the exactly opposite of doing something useful.	[16:35]
chetty	http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/25/first-contagious-wifi-computer-virus-goes-airborne-spreads-like-the-common-cold/	[16:36]
ozbot	First contagious WiFi computer virus goes airborne \| The Daily Caller	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	uh why'd a virus be specifically wifi	[16:37]
Bugpowder	I thought there was that virus that spreads via the speaker (or was that BS).	[16:37]
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cazalla	the one that could jump airgapped systems?	[16:38]
cazalla	that was bs	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder that was bs.	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	darn beat to it	[16:38]
Bugpowder	It made no cents.	[16:39]
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Bugpowder	I am really impressed with the level of optimism people are expressing towards Gox reopening. IMPRESSED. I hear there are 3 suitors vying for the right to purchase Mt. Gox's brand and 650,000 BTC debt.	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	yaya	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	take it as a measure of just how badly hurt the foundation scamnest is by this defeat in the field	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	rather than any direct statement of the future.	[16:41]
Bugpowder	HOPE	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	no, it's not hope, it's disbelief.	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	they rheally thought they're somebody worth something.	[16:42]
Bugpowder	Someone needs to shop a Karp / HOPE poster	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	and i guess still do.	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	more apt would be a vessenes hope poster really.	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	hopefully his head is next. now that's hope.	[16:43]
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cazalla	you know why i hate vessenes	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	i didn't know you did.	[16:43]
cazalla	well i do but for different reasons that you	[16:43]
Bugpowder	CoinLab was more mismanaged than Gox, they just died earlier so they couldn't cause as big a monetary fuckup.	[16:44]
cazalla	on a panel, he ruined it because he had the microphone practically in his mouth and you couldn't hear the other panelists due to his heavy breathing	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	i don't actually hate the guy, i just dislike him because he's very inept strategically and we kinda need to purge the stupid.	[16:44]
nubbins`	vessenes "NOPE" poster	[16:45]
nubbins`	the kitten got turned off ;(	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	or maybe it's time for a HERP poster	[16:45]
nubbins`	heh	[16:46]
nubbins`	i like that	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	can i has link to your clown thing again ?	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	ima order the MP css dept make me one.	[16:46]
nubbins`	ah, refresh my memory	[16:46]
cazalla	anyone that abset minded on microphone etiquette sends me into a rage	[16:46]
cazalla	absent	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	didn't you do a vessenes clown thing ?	[16:46]
nubbins`	oh, right, i think that was tat	[16:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00088085 = 19.0704 BTC [-] {3}	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	cazalla this is kind of sad, incidentally, because it's roughly like a stripper with bad genital hygiene	[16:47]
nubbins`	2, maybe 3 days ago?	[16:47]
cazalla	sad for me or him	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	all the guy ever does is derp about in the conference freakshow, you'd expect he has at least the basics of that profession down pat.	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	cazalla for him.	[16:47]
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mircea_popescu	imagine a truck driver that can't drive double clutch.	[16:48]
cazalla	i sent him an email but he didn't respond	[16:48]
nubbins`	i had a professor once who could only speak in a whisper and so brought a mic to class and amplified it so heavily you could hear him swallow his spit	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	sort-of like a vessenes that can't handle a mic	[16:48]
nubbins`	he would freeze if anyone made a sound (like opening a bookbag, etc)	[16:48]
nubbins`	mid-syllable sometimes	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	at the one uni where i sort-of flirted with academia, this was banned on campus.	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	the rector guy was like "if you can't speak you can't be a university professor."	[16:49]
nubbins`	heh	[16:49]
nubbins`	it's true	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	i know it is.	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	i always respected that guy. occasionally obnoxious but he had what you'd need from a rector : fucking rectitude.	[16:49]
nubbins`	one day (this was a logic course), the poor guy (ancient chinese man) was dreaming up an example for some logical fallacy	[16:50]
nubbins`	"statement one: all cats have four legs"	[16:50]
nubbins`	"statement two: some cats dig my music"	[16:50]
nubbins`	i had to leave the room D;	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	ergo, women walk on their tits.	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` btw, you know the "great generals" machine learning fiasco ?	[16:51]
nubbins`	doesn't ring a bell	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	this is probably apocriphal as such, but it is reflective of various actual events. normally it's retold as	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	"at mit, they made this self-learning machine which would try to make deductions sylogistically on a dictionary of natural language constructs	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	they let it run overnight, among the conclusions it had arrived to by morning was "napoleon had an infinite number of arms"	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	the thought process being, napoleon was a great general, great generals are forewarned, being forewarned is like having an extra pair of arms,	[16:53]
nubbins`	well, he did!	[16:53]
nubbins`	why do you think he was so short!	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	four is an odd number of arms for a man to have, the only both odd and even number is infinity	[16:53]
nubbins`	HAH	[16:53]
nubbins`	that's actually rich	[16:53]
nubbins`	"being forewarned is being forearmed"	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	kinda why it stuck.	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	anyway, machine-proofed khali.	[16:54]
nubbins`	"In the chat, Karpeles says the leaked document was not produced by Mt. Gox, but he admits that there is some truth to it."	[16:58]
nubbins`	well no shit	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	derp.	[16:58]
nubbins`	mildly surprised anyone believed that was a legit doc	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	soooo... who was it produced by ?	[16:58]
nubbins`	that two-bit idiot guy	[16:58]
nubbins`	selkis?	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder https://twitter.com/DougKass/status/438673419845271552 :p	[16:59]
nubbins`	wanted to make a name for himself, and it worked. associated press splashed his name across the globe	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	guy got burned prett well.	[16:59]
nubbins`	just so happens that he faked the doc at a time when everybody was ready to accept a poor fake as legit	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhZi4sUCUAA0q4B.jpg:large << check out this us foreign policy success.	[17:01]
cazalla	nubbins` are you sure it's fake, shrem suggested it might have been karpeles partner who drafted it due to poor english	[17:02]
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nubbins`	i'm not sure, but i mean, did you read it?	[17:04]
nubbins`	who's going to draft an internal memo that flatly states "we don't deserve to run a business"?	[17:04]
cazalla	yes but shrem and levine from LTB confirmed they knew some of what is in the pdf is factual prior to it being leaked	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` anyone sane working at mtgox	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	or a bunch of other bitcoin "businesses" ?	[17:05]
nubbins`	sure, so why did this selkis guy decide to redact page 8?	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` possibly because it had passwords on it ?	[17:05]
nubbins`	why would you redact a bunch of numbers on a document about a failing exchange -- a document that you're releasing	[17:05]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: the redactions were black highlights. you could copypasta them.	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	not proposing any of the foregoing as factual or anything, merely exploring teh theory of it.	[17:05]
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nubbins`	black highlights added to the pdf by selkis himself	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` point in case as to the "we don't deserve to run a business" thing	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	"we can't even use office equipment properly"	[17:06]
nubbins`	nonono	[17:06]
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cazalla	maybe he was asked to redact it by whoever gave it to him to leak because if it was given to potential investors, they might not want the financials out there	[17:06]
nubbins`	selkis is the "blogger" who "leaked" the document.	[17:06]
nubbins`	he doesn't work for gox	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i am aware.	[17:06]
nubbins`	oh, wait, i see what you're saying	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	how do you know he added them ?	[17:06]
nubbins`	because it says so in the file	[17:07]
nubbins`	one sec	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	o lol	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	bwahaha	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	so this guy is going to be forever remembered as the pdf highlights tard ?	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	good way to become famous lmao	[17:07]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/a/ZyBZ5	[17:07]
ozbot	Ryan Selkis is full of shit - Imgur	[17:07]
nubbins`	see first image	[17:08]
nubbins`	the pdf software he did the fake redactions in put his fucking name on them	[17:08]
nubbins`	lel x 9000	[17:08]
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nubbins`	of course none of the news articles mentioning selkis talk about this	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	fucking hell i can read the original THROUGH the blackl	[17:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00088076 = 9.0718 BTC [-]	[17:09]
cazalla	if it was fake, who gave him the legit information to mix with his bs?	[17:09]
nubbins`	what do you mean, gave? the numbers don't even add up	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	"mt gox business is healthy and profitable	[17:09]
cazalla	the re-branding etc, shrem confirmed he knew of this weeks ago	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	is this intentional ?	[17:09]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu that's why the whole thing is so curious	[17:10]
nubbins`	none of it makes sense	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	pity something awful got all butthurt and humiliated and discontinued buttcoin	[17:10]
nubbins`	some anon blogger "is sent" a doc, black-highlights a bunch of gibberish math, makes a reddit post	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	it was a pretty decent service coupla years ago.	[17:10]
nubbins`	next thing ya know gox decides "well, now's as good a time as any"	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	he even twitted with me, sec lemme find it	[17:11]
cazalla	but parts of the document are factual nubbins`	[17:11]
nubbins`	parts of the bible are factual.	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/438181014784204800 a no, he's the "o noes shrem guy"	[17:11]
ozbot	Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: "And thought he knew better." ...	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	i hope shrem hit him over the head because had he stfu i'd have not said anything either.	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	i wonder generally how many people realise that stupendously stupid "pr" actually has a marked negative cost	[17:12]
nubbins`	curious to see what 2-bit idiot has to say about his redactions	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	like say the misadventures of those pretend-gambling guys mpoe-pr laid into a week ago	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck were they called again,	[17:12]
cazalla	casino bitcoin	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	a yes that.	[17:12]
nubbins`	CBTC!	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=465334.0 there we go yeah	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	it was casino bitcoin	[17:14]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12682 @ 0.00088322 = 11.201 BTC [+]	[17:17]
ozbot	Calling out CasinoBitco.in	[17:17]
cazalla	they added all their privately held shares to havelock the other week	[17:17]
cazalla	didn't mention it though until people pointed it out asking wtf	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	well obviously all the nonsense barrage was destined to help them fuck some more noobs over.	[17:18]
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mircea_popescu	haha pretty epic ownage this. allow me to spam irc :	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	@SpiegelPeter · 2h "Kremlin's jealous & intolerant eye can distinguish only vassals & enemies; neighbors, if they dont wish 2 be one, must be the other”-Kennan	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	@Mircea_Popescu This is pretty well equally true of the US. The EU is one of the few sane players and the US press is slamming them for it	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	@SpiegelPeter I don't recall US ever sending tanks into Canada. Does chasing Pancho Villa = Hungary 1956, Prague 1968, Afghanistan 1979?	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	@Mircea_Popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhZi4sUCUAA0q4B.jpg:large … how's that look to you ?	[17:21]
nubbins`	he doesn't recall the usa and canada being at war?	[17:21]
nubbins`	i uh	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	@SpiegelPeter Is Syria a neighbour of the US? You may want to re-read original Kennan quote.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	@Mircea_Popescu Yes, it borders on the US province of Iraq. You may wish to drop the weasel act, we're adults, we can see through bs.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	and now he's going to be upset because i called him a weasel	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	CLEARLY he doesn't have to respond to such evil.	[17:22]
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mircea_popescu	like you know, having your idiocy made a point of public mockery in the forum is immediate license to disengage and pretent like you were slighted	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	it's almost as if they're all women or something.	[17:22]
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Duffer1	"Kremlin's jealous & intolerant eye can distinguish only vassals & enemies; neighbors, if they dont wish 2 be one, must be the other-Kennan	[17:26]
Duffer1	mircea_popescu @Mircea_Popescu This is pretty well equally true of the US. >>> Cuba is a great example to offer	[17:26]
Duffer1	at least, closer to physical home than iraq	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	no because the standard magically is "the us never sent tanks there"	[17:26]
Duffer1	lol	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	notwithstanding that russia didn't send any tanks in the ukraine, either	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	but you know, opinions.	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	why not have a strongly held one ?	[17:27]
Duffer1	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion	[17:27]
ozbot	Bay of Pigs Invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[17:27]
Duffer1	dunno if they had tanks..	[17:28]
cazalla	CIA eh	[17:28]
cazalla	I'm reading this ATM - http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Politics-Heroin-Complicity-Afghanistan/dp/1556524838	[17:29]
cazalla	lead to that after reading the CIA rumoured to have run a bank here in Australia	[17:29]
cazalla	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nugan_Hand_Bank	[17:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 538 @ 0.00582443 = 3.1335 BTC [+] {13}	[17:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 623 @ 0.00083901 = 0.5227 BTC [-] {7}	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	o, you mean to compete with HSBC ?	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	in the very lucrative heroin trade ?	[17:30]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2210 @ 0.00587473 = 12.9832 BTC [+] {15}	[17:30]
cazalla	it's pretty speculative	[17:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.06066044 = 0.364 BTC [-] {3}	[17:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02199999 = 0.264 BTC [-] {2}	[17:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.16230094 = 2.5968 BTC [-] {2}	[17:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.08388996 = 0.6711 BTC [+] {3}	[17:30]
cazalla	at least in the aus bank case	[17:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.00587699 = 0.1881 BTC [+] {5}	[17:31]
Duffer1	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion#Invasion_day_.2817_April.29 now with tanks	[17:31]
ozbot	Bay of Pigs Invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	that doesn't count.	[17:32]
Duffer1	k :(	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	because random US agent of influence in Brussels slash fuckwit says so.	[17:32]
cazalla	heh Invasion day, that's what they call Australia Day although I prefer to call it Conquerors Day	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	because this is how the internet works now.	[17:32]
Duffer1	ha	[17:32]
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Duffer1	i wish you were wrong	[17:33]
nubbins`	i'll be close to brussels this summer	[17:33]
cazalla	going to bed, give me something good to read with morning coffee :)	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2014#528354 << may be worth a mention that russian troop movements was discussed here way before it became public :D	[17:34]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[17:34]
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Duffer1	i don't see why they would do that unless they're planning an invasion or reinstallation of Yanuk	[17:36]
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mircea_popescu	why, cause without crimeea they're fucked up the ass	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	russia is very badly landlocked, they can't survive without ports.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	even crimeea is barely a fucking toehold.	[17:51]
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nubbins`	and vladivostok is a LONG train ride from moscow & st petersburg	[17:52]
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mircea_popescu	very.	[17:52]
nubbins`	almost the longest	[17:54]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2081 @ 0.00589999 = 12.2779 BTC [+] {10}	[17:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11496639 = 0.2299 BTC [+]	[17:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24139 @ 0.00088304 = 21.3157 BTC [+] {3}	[17:59]
asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2014/02/schneier-yesterday.htm	[18:00]
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pankkake	https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/	[18:01]
ozbot	How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations - The Inte	[18:01]
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nubbins`	heh	[18:02]
pankkake	the schneier proposal was so… tame. almost sounded like politicians creating commissions to solve problems	[18:02]
pankkake	"This is a radical solution" lol	[18:02]
nubbins`	is that an article about people leaving "-10 scammer faggot" ratings on -otc? ;D	[18:02]
pankkake	I hope government agents have more talent	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	pankkake nah, it's about derpage like quoted above.	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	on twitter.	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	that guy's job is basically "derp at russia".	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	which w/e, it's a living.	[18:03]
nubbins`	twist: GCHQ stole pdf from gox and leaked it via their agent selkis	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	it's kind-of becoming a fun sport these days tho, find agents twist their arms.	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	kinda sitting ducks because they're slaves to their talking points	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	and really as entry level bureaucrats... how smart can they be ?	[18:04]
ThickAsThieves	hey mp: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yzp5k/im_a_journalist_i_want_to_be_able_to_write_about/	[18:04]
nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/C5ZyuVj.jpg	[18:05]
nubbins`	LEL	[18:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.13587998 BTC [+]	[18:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 299 @ 0.0059 = 1.7641 BTC [+]	[18:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 219 @ 0.0059 = 1.2921 BTC [+]	[18:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3689 @ 0.00590063 = 21.7674 BTC [+] {7}	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves link him to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2014#526451	[18:11]
pankkake	https://counterparty.co/faqs/why-must-dividends-bets-and-betting-fees-be-paid-in-xcp/ lol	[18:13]
ozbot	Frequently Asked Questions \| Counterparty \| Crypto-Financial Market	[18:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 87 @ 0.00597798 = 0.5201 BTC [+] {2}	[18:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 224 @ 0.005978 = 1.3391 BTC [+] {4}	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	what is xcp	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[18:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 828 @ 0.00597969 = 4.9512 BTC [+] {4}	[18:15]
Duffer1	never heard about it until i was catching up on my daily actm drama this morning	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	counterparty is one of those things like mastercoin right	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	burn your coins into meta system	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	cry later	[18:15]
pankkake	yes	[18:16]
Duffer1	pretty ui though >.<	[18:16]
ThickAsThieves	"Having only one currency that can be used for betting makes bet-matching simpler and easier (and more likely). The currency for making bets cannot be BTC, because the Counterparty protocol cannot debit BTC from a user’s address."	[18:16]
ThickAsThieves	sounds like something i'd write for Altcoin	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 i for some reason read actm as "rectum"	[18:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.102 = 0.204 BTC [-]	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	my brain is telling me things.	[18:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00597999 = 0.1794 BTC [+]	[18:16]
pankkake	I wonder if the UI is just a photoshop thing for now	[18:16]
Duffer1	synesthesia read actm, smell poop	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/26/scientists-discover-a-new-state-of-matter-in-the-last-place-youd-ever-think-to-look/	[18:17]
ozbot	Scientists Discover a New State of Matter in the Last Place You’d Ever Think to Look \| TheBlaze.co	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	speaking of all that.	[18:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 231 @ 0.00597999 = 1.3814 BTC [+] {2}	[18:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 660 @ 0.00598 = 3.9468 BTC [+] {2}	[18:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00597999 = 0.4485 BTC [-] {3}	[18:19]
ThickAsThieves	so will chickens eventually have crystallized eyes?	[18:20]
ThickAsThieves	breed more chikuns!	[18:20]
BingoBoingo	Oh, look what happened when I was passed out http://slashdot.org/story/14/02/26/1539250/mt-gox-shuts-down-collapse-should-come-as-no-surprise	[18:21]
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ThickAsThieves	cuz after crystal eyes, comes laser chikuns, right?	[18:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18371 @ 0.00088484 = 16.2554 BTC [+] {3}	[18:21]
ThickAsThieves	gj bingo	[18:22]
Bugpowder	mircea_popescu: DOUBLE DOWN!	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder lolwut? o tsla you mean ?	[18:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 138 @ 0.00598 = 0.8252 BTC [+] {2}	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo cool beanz.	[18:22]
BingoBoingo	Well, I guess years of reading them taught me their copywriting style	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/438708150469132288 <<< lettuce bother them.	[18:23]
ozbot	Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @SpiegelPeter I get it, you ...	[18:23]
Bugpowder	yah	[18:24]
Bugpowder	Nice to see you getting back into twitter.	[18:24]
Bugpowder	And getting some responses!	[18:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00598 = 0.299 BTC [+]	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	they fixed the site.	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	i abandoned it cca 2012 cause they made it js-unusable.	[18:28]
ThickAsThieves	yeah, at least spiegal engaged	[18:29]
ThickAsThieves	spygull	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you missed the huge argument with anil dash coupla days ago ?	[18:29]
ThickAsThieves	possibly	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	guy ended up asking me about what music i like and so forth.	[18:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.102 = 0.714 BTC [-]	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	cause you know, that's how you make friends.	[18:29]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[18:29]
nubbins`	i'm only here because you guys all like Talking Heads	[18:30]
ThickAsThieves	get Keiser to engage, that's a real challenge	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	if only mr Y asked the demonstrator ppl what music they liked....	[18:30]
Bugpowder	Why would one want to engage with Keiser?	[18:30]
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Bugpowder	Wouldn't want to bring down my influence.	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves he used to back before i ended up wearing his asshole as a windshield decoration	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	(this was back in the ra ra ra days of to the moon when btc first broke 100)	[18:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-]	[18:31]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11475878 BTC [-]	[18:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00597999 = 3.588 BTC [+] {2}	[18:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 284 @ 0.00598 = 1.6983 BTC [+] {3}	[18:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06098069 = 0.122 BTC [-]	[18:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.005987 = 0.1497 BTC [+]	[18:36]
BingoBoingo	So, less than 10% of slashdot users are using the new layout	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	i don't even remember a case where some popular site "improved"	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	or "new layouted"	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	and the userbase liked it.	[18:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 103 @ 0.005987 = 0.6167 BTC [+] {2}	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	i have no idea why people continue doing it. must be a mental disorder on the management side.	[18:37]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 184 @ 0.005987 = 1.1016 BTC [+] {2}	[18:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.06145 = 0.6145 BTC [+]	[18:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.005987 = 0.8981 BTC [+]	[18:39]
BingoBoingo	Prolly	[18:40]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.005987 = 0.1976 BTC [+]	[18:42]
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BingoBoingo	n00bs gonna n00b http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4836423&cid=46346507	[18:51]
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ThickAsThieves	i have no idea why people continue doing it. must be a mental disorder on the management side. /// marketeers are persuasive, it's their job	[18:52]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: "You know you've done things right, when people aren't sure you've done anything at all."	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/438718213665611776	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	the derpage coming out of that thing is almost like bitcoin magazine runs it.	[18:52]
ThickAsThieves	what did they rip?	[18:54]
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ozbot	Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: If you're going to rip -assets ...	[18:54]
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mircea_popescu	link is there, "o derp, bitcoin is the greatest asset class in the histopry of business"	[18:55]
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mircea_popescu	except, not because it went up 50ish x in 2013.	[18:55]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Everything, it is the coindesk way	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	the argument is strong and well made, but not by them and not by their fucktarded infographic or w/e that thing is	[18:55]
ThickAsThieves	slide 12 seems familiar	[18:55]
BingoBoingo	At this rate COindesk is headed into a Max Kaiser like niche becoming a noob ghetto	[18:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.0008855 = 3.1435 BTC [+]	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	see the jan 31st discussion with herbi, it's linked in the tweet.	[18:56]
Duffer1	max seems to have become the thing he hates	[18:56]
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BingoBoingo	Duffer1: Max doesn't have the dignity for that	[18:57]
Duffer1	Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 2h	[18:57]
Duffer1	I plan to give @RealAlexJones some free #maxcoin next week. No need to bother with Bitcoin, #maxcoin is better. Currency of the Resistance.	[18:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.00598999 = 0.4433 BTC [+] {3}	[18:58]
TomServo	pathetic.	[18:58]
Duffer1	ya that kinda stuff gets under my skin pretty quick	[18:58]
ThickAsThieves	ya	[18:58]
BingoBoingo	Also 737 people reffered by Slashdot in the first hour as the last of four links in the story.	[18:59]
ThickAsThieves	maxoin is better bro!	[18:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018499 = 0.185 BTC [+]	[18:59]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.39675101 BTC to 2`983 shares, 80347 satoshi per share	[18:59]
ThickAsThieves	did Max lose all his BTC on gox or something?	[18:59]
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BingoBoingo	If only the latest trilema piece had come out an hour earlier	[19:00]
ThickAsThieves	it's odd to me that the bitcoin world ignored bitcoin stocks and stock exchanges so much	[19:01]
ThickAsThieves	like zero mention in the coindesk report	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	TomServo kinda lulzy cause it went pretty much like an old guy's erection, that forced coin.	[19:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.06145 = 0.676 BTC [+]	[19:02]
ThickAsThieves	never mentioned in bitcoin hearings or such	[19:02]
ThickAsThieves	never mentioned by core devs	[19:02]
ThickAsThieves	etc	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	why would they ?	[19:02]
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ThickAsThieves	to be comprehensive?	[19:02]
Duffer1	seems like a situation where they'd just rather forget	[19:02]
BingoBoingo	Stocks and exchanges aren't for the herd	[19:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.061 = 0.427 BTC [-]	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	i really don't want this viewpoint promoted whereby bitcoin finance is this point of interest for the general public.	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	it isn't.	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	i mean they can end up believing it is, like they end up believing any other nonsense they believe	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	but it's really just setting up everyone to get hurt.	[19:04]
ThickAsThieves	they even have a whole VC section	[19:04]
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ThickAsThieves	well i dont mean to imply i wish it promoted	[19:04]
ThickAsThieves	so much that it being absent is odd	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	last thing you need you know, is thebitcoinwife being knowledgeable about stocks.	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	i guess it is a little odd.	[19:04]
ThickAsThieves	it also makes their numbers wrong	[19:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00598606 = 0.1736 BTC [-] {3}	[19:05]
BingoBoingo	Could their numbers have ever been right?	[19:05]
ThickAsThieves	"38% of all VC investment is in payment processors"	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	that is unfortunate, yea.	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well... it is. of the 1-2% of bitcoin marketshare that us vcs get	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	38% is in dead in the water pps	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	rest of 62% is in other dead in the water nonventures.	[19:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1129999 BTC [-]	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	the controlling point here, i guess, would be the observation of Kennedy sr that fuck it, when shoeshine boys discuss stocks it's time to get out.	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	the day you're in the same boat with the sorts of people "investing" in groupon it's prolly time to move on.	[19:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00598998 = 0.8685 BTC [+] {2}	[19:08]
mike_c	shoeshine boys won't have mpex accounts anytime soon.	[19:09]
mike_c	although i guess they could have coinbr accounts	[19:09]
ThickAsThieves	curse jurov!	[19:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 393 @ 0.00598642 = 2.3527 BTC [-] {3}	[19:09]
jurov	i;m still waiting for someone who'll license coinbr code (for worthy price, ofc)	[19:10]
jurov	and start offering free mpex trading for masses	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	mike_c anyway, stuff like publishing the correct numbers is useful and welcome.	[19:10]
jurov	somehow no one is up to it	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	the idea isn't to keep anything a secret, god forbid, but basically i think we should be informed by the correct interraction with children in a family.	[19:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11299998 BTC [+]	[19:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0615 = 0.123 BTC [+]	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	you don't make a big secret out of the power sockets, or the power tools in the garage	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	you just go about your business without making a big deal of them and let the kids grow up with all their limbs	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	i think that's overall the best policy.	[19:12]
mike_c	and maybe even buy those little plastice outlet covers to make sure they survive :)	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	maybe. tho...	[19:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11299998 = 0.339 BTC [+]	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	that's the debatable point, but anyway. some slack for everyone to cut closer or further by his taste.	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	but as a general principle actual finance does not belong in the mouth of pundits any more than science belongs in the mouths of politicos.	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo see, hour late or not, it made the paper http://paper.li/ionescupopescu	[19:13]
mike_c	looking at slides like coindesk's makes me mad for some reason. those stupid charts with "here's why btc went up" and "here's why it went down". they should post that on bitcointalk and be done with it.	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	it really is just glorified bitcointalk stuff.	[19:14]
BingoBoingo	Cool	[19:14]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z010y/open_letter_to_michael_casey_wsj_reporter_who/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter	[19:21]
ozbot	Open Letter to Michael Casey - WSJ reporter who butchered my comments in today's Bitcoin cover story	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	the disadvantages of being erik	[19:22]
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ThickAsThieves	nice	[19:23]
BingoBoingo	Well, when you want to be everyone's friend you forget if you actually have friends or not.	[19:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00594726 = 0.2617 BTC [-] {2}	[19:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 17 @ 0.00599 = 0.1018 BTC [+]	[19:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 616 @ 0.00582265 = 3.5868 BTC [-] {10}	[19:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 189 @ 0.0058 = 1.0962 BTC [-] {2}	[19:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-]	[19:28]
ThickAsThieves	"with friends like this, whi the fuck needs cointelpro"	[19:28]
ThickAsThieves	who*	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	lol srsly.	[19:30]
thestringpuller	payment processors have too much overhead due to regulation...you pay so many fees just cutting through red tape	[19:31]
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thestringpuller	PCI compliance is a joke, yet it accounts for good chunk of the expense budget...that gets passed onto the customer. thus we have bitcoin. So what happens in 20 years big government regulates BTC and you need 10 licenses just to touch it in Country XYZ?	[19:32]
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mircea_popescu	eh let teh vcs have fun	[19:32]
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ThickAsThieves	pci compliance is most definitely a joke	[19:34]
TomServo	No doubt. It worked wonders for Target, didn't it!	[19:35]
thestringpuller	lol operate a bitcoin exchange from a space station. no government there...	[19:36]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: elevator for bags of fiat?	[19:36]
Duffer1	mining farm in space, free cooling	[19:36]
asciilifeform	Duffer1: cooling in space is a bitch	[19:37]
asciilifeform	(radiative only, if this is somehow non-obvious)	[19:37]
Duffer1	no i know :P	[19:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35611 @ 0.00088327 = 31.4541 BTC [-] {2}	[19:38]
Duffer1	can a level of bureaucracy exist sufficient to regulate Bitcoin?	[19:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1989 @ 0.00088021 = 1.7507 BTC [-]	[19:39]
diametric	I think the problem is people use the word regulate like its some specific thing.	[19:39]
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mircea_popescu	Duffer1: cooling in space is a bitch << this somehow never is directly obvious	[19:40]
asciilifeform	phun phact - in soviet prison camps, notes ('scribbles', roughly translated from the argot) went around freely from one end of the archipelago to another. (how? bribe a guard)	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	but one of the biggest problems for any energetically intensive application outside of earth is like... how the fuck you cool it.	[19:40]
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mircea_popescu	you'll end up with larger heat exchangers than solar panels	[19:41]
asciilifeform	so something resembling bitcoin (well, more like Hawala) could have worked even there.	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform "there is no prison that may hold the literate"	[19:41]
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mircea_popescu	diametric but it is a specific thing. it means "fucking" :D	[19:42]
asciilifeform	and i'm sure virtually everyone is familiar with the use of morse code by prisoners, historically.	[19:42]
ThickAsThieves	in case anyone is bored and wants to troll Wired: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yzz24/im_a_reporter_with_wired_if_you_worked_at_gox_and/	[19:42]
asciilifeform	re: heat sinks: this is how the americans spotted the radiothermally-powered (Pu core) soviet satellites - enormous fins.	[19:42]
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mircea_popescu	"Tough Women followed you"	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	fucking story of my life.	[19:42]
asciilifeform	that and, well, absence of solar panels.	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform indeed	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	"hey those don't really look like solar panels ?!"	[19:43]
asciilifeform	rtg can be built to happily run for centuries.	[19:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33499 @ 0.00087986 = 29.4744 BTC [-] {2}	[19:44]
nubbins`	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/25/man-shoots-himself_n_4853983.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular	[19:45]
ozbot	Man Accidentally Kills Self With Gun During Demonstration On Gun Safety	[19:45]
nubbins`	"The 36-year-old man ... was attempting to demonstrate the safety of the handguns by holding them to his head and pulling the trigger."	[19:45]
nubbins`	because that's how you demonstrate that	[19:45]
nubbins`	for my next trick, i will demonstrate the safety of this prop knife by falling on it from my balcony.	[19:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00597499 = 0.1972 BTC [+]	[19:45]
asciilifeform	tldr, insurance fraud.	[19:46]
Duffer1	have you seen the one with the black cop shoots himself in a classroom during a safety demo?	[19:46]
Duffer1	i'll try to find it	[19:46]
nubbins`	what does black have to do with it?	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	i was thinking that	[19:46]
Duffer1	an adjective to help describe the specific video i'm thinking of	[19:46]
TomServo	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0	[19:46]
ozbot	Cop Shoots himself in the leg - YouTube	[19:46]
Duffer1	tom wins	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	wait there's A LOT of vids of cops shooting themselves in schools ?	[19:47]
nubbins`	^	[19:47]
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diametric	thats a classic	[19:47]
diametric	Have to hand it to him, he just rolls with it	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	Paco de Lucia has died	[19:48]
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mircea_popescu	diametric perhaps not his first time ?	[19:48]
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nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/infested-bedbug-rentals-unacceptable-tom-osborne-says-1.2551860	[19:49]
ozbot	Infested bedbug rentals unacceptable, Tom Osborne says - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News	[19:50]
nubbins`	ugh	[19:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.005975 = 0.3645 BTC [+] {2}	[19:50]
nubbins`	this is my nightmare	[19:50]
nubbins`	well. one of them	[19:50]
nubbins`	curious to see what changes they'll try to make to the residential tenancies act	[19:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.005975 = 0.2151 BTC [+]	[19:51]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: this is my nightmare << bedbugs?	[19:51]
nubbins`	nod	[19:51]
nubbins`	my house is attached on both sides	[19:51]
asciilifeform	or sha shortcut	[19:51]
nubbins`	hard skids living on both sides too	[19:51]
nubbins`	sha shortcut isn't into nightmare territory yet	[19:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 114 @ 0.00597499 = 0.6811 BTC [-]	[19:52]
asciilifeform	what's a hardskid?	[19:52]
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benkay	;;ud skid	[19:52]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=skid \| The term "skid" is in part derived from "skid row", which is both a band enjoyed by those the term refers to, as well as their address. See also white trash and ...	[19:52]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: skid	[19:52]
asciilifeform	aha	[19:52]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00595 = 0.1488 BTC [-]	[19:53]
nubbins`	technically we call them "skeets" here	[19:53]
nubbins`	but i think skids is a more widely known term	[19:53]
pankkake	a hard skid is used to store data, but does not work well, and sometimes reverses bits	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` tbh large parts of the us are having a SERIOUS infestation problem these days.	[19:54]
nubbins`	ah, haha: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeet_(Newfoundland)	[19:54]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu they found bedbugs in provincial court here last year	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	i can't grok wtf is causing it, because i never heard of a civilised country with begbugs before san francisco came along	[19:54]
thestringpuller	poor white people are worse than niggas these days	[19:54]
benkay	no no thestringpuller those are "niggers" in this channel	[19:55]
benkay	nigga a different thing	[19:55]
nubbins`	lel, the article starts with "In Newfoundland English..."	[19:55]
asciilifeform	little parasites were constant companions of people, historically.	[19:55]
asciilifeform	perhaps our little break is simply over.	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yeah up until 1950 or so	[19:55]
thestringpuller	also poor hippies are the emperors of infestation	[19:55]
thestringpuller	worse than serfs	[19:55]
thestringpuller	and they complain....	[19:55]
ThickAsThieves	lol, asshole https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5389341#msg5389341	[19:55]
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nubbins`	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_English#Newfoundland_English_expressions	[19:56]
nubbins`	lel	[19:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2925 @ 0.00087859 = 2.5699 BTC [-]	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	"Where ya at?"	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	srsly, this is what yo upeople invented ?	[19:57]
nubbins`	no, we invented the gas mask	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	brb going to name some dogs after you	[19:57]
nubbins`	i think there's a wikipedia article about that somewhere too	[19:57]
nubbins`	"where are ye to?" is much more common	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	Get on the go, Let's go (also, a common euphemism for partying, on the go by itself can also refer to a relationship - similar to a dating stage, but more hazy.)	[19:57]
nubbins`	ye being, of course, the plural of you	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	whoever the fuck wrote that wiki entry was pretty well gone.	[19:57]
nubbins`	nod	[19:58]
nubbins`	most of it is shit	[19:58]
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nubbins`	hits the mark a few times	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	He[she/dey] just took off	[19:58]
nubbins`	i.e. "right" as a synonym for "Very"	[19:58]
nubbins`	"she's right crooked" == "she is in a very bad mood"	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` like "the right honorable dorky mcdorkenstock" ?	[19:58]
nubbins`	nah	[19:58]
nubbins`	well, wait	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	so you thing lolz	[19:58]
ozbot	Newfoundland English - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[19:58]
nubbins`	i guess so	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[19:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00485999 = 0.1069 BTC [-]	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	Ducky, female friend, used affectionately. Also My love, used in an entirely platonic sense	[19:59]
KRS1	skeet is white trach or wigger here	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	great contribs to culture coming from canada.	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	SARCASM	[19:59]
thestringpuller	i thought skeet meant the process of ejaculating	[19:59]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: i've seen delivery drivers call women "my lover"	[19:59]
nubbins`	dere ya goes, me lover	[19:59]
KRS1	thestringpuller: that too, depending on who you ask.. as in ... skeet skeet	[19:59]
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nubbins`	i'm guilty of using some of these	[20:00]
nubbins`	"now the once" = "soon"	[20:00]
ThickAsThieves	lotsa former pirates out there?	[20:00]
nubbins`	c'mon now, we goes drinkin' now the once	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	so what does gay mean in newfoundlandandlabradorese ?	[20:00]
KRS1	nubbins`: I think here they call the person 'boo'.	[20:00]
TomServo	Yet there is a difference between a hill and a big hill.	[20:00]
TomServo	haha	[20:00]
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nubbins`	mircea_popescu: depends on the age of the speaker ;D	[20:00]
KRS1	boo=my lover	[20:00]
nubbins`	"queer" is still regularly used to mean "odd" by older folk	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	that's right faggoty my love.	[20:01]
KRS1	LOL	[20:01]
KRS1	i need bait now	[20:01]
KRS1	.bait	[20:01]
nubbins`	"dass a queer smell"	[20:01]
ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2edvwVIAY1r0gv87o1_1280.jpg	[20:01]
asciilifeform	http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-02-26/bitcoin-exchange-mt-dot-gox-shutdown-said-to-be-probed-by-u-dot-s	[20:01]
ozbot	Bitcoin Exchange Mt. Gox Shutdown Said to be Probed by U.S. - Businessweek	[20:01]
nubbins`	more like "qware" than "queer" tho	[20:01]
KRS1	Mmmm elegant.	[20:01]
asciilifeform	who the hell is Preet Bharara? i feel like i've heard the name before	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform preet bharara wants a cracker ?	[20:02]
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ThickAsThieves	he's the guy holding the silkroad coins	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	best parakeet name ever.	[20:02]
ThickAsThieves	if i recall correctly	[20:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00599 = 0.599 BTC [+] {3}	[20:03]
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TomServo	His brother, Vinit Bharara, is the entrepreneur who co-founded Diapers.com	[20:04]
jcpham	http://goxshirts.com/	[20:05]
ozbot	dem shirts, yo	[20:05]
thestringpuller	;;google explain like I'm five bitcoin	[20:06]
gribble	Explain Bitcoin Like I'm Five — Future of Currency — Medium: ; Explain like I'm five: Bitcoin \| Darren Hobbs: ; Explain Bitcoin Like I'm Five (In case you want to understand the ...:	[20:06]
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benkay	bronycapitalism!	[20:06]
asciilifeform	;;google explain like I'm five noncommutative algebras	[20:07]
gribble	fa.functional analysis - Realisation of noncommutative torus ...: ; Basic facts about finitely-generated noncommutative algebras - Math ...: ; An Intuitive Guide to Linear Algebra \| (1 more message)	[20:07]
ThickAsThieves	Ships in two weeks™ or your money back!	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	;;google explain like i'm twelve and what is this ?	[20:08]
gribble	Explain Like I'm Five \| Don't Panic! - Reddit: ; Explain Like I'm Calvin - Reddit: ; Philadelphia (1993) - Quotes - IMDb:	[20:08]
nubbins`	jcpham, lel	[20:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00599 = 0.1857 BTC [+]	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	o i c	[20:08]
benkay	ping davout	[20:08]
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mircea_popescu	;;explain like i'm five anal sex	[20:08]
gribble	Error: "explain" is not a valid command.	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	heh	[20:08]
jcpham	;;eli5 would be great gribble command	[20:09]
gribble	Error: "eli5" is not a valid command.	[20:09]
asciilifeform	why hardcoded 5? 'eliN'	[20:09]
nubbins`	"wear your failings like the badge of honor that they are"	[20:09]
ThickAsThieves	;;google explain like i'm usagi	[20:09]
gribble	so i'm looking up to see if a lot of things that...: ; What's the Big Deal About Sailor Moon? « The Hooded Utilitarian: ; Stan Sakai drew a comic in 1991 explaining how to make ... - Robot 6: (1 more message)	[20:09]
Duffer1	LOL	[20:09]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[20:09]
asciilifeform	;;explain like i'm five seppuku	[20:09]
jcpham	i think that site is 100%	[20:10]
jcpham	bitpay integrated and such	[20:10]
ThickAsThieves	from reddit: "What is the potential value of NeoBee? Right now it is trading at around 005"	[20:10]
ThickAsThieves	"Noone can be sure until first dividends."	[20:10]
jcpham	so if you buy then i have to make it	[20:10]
ThickAsThieves	...	[20:10]
thestringpuller	;;seen usagi	[20:10]
gribble	usagi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 weeks, 0 days, 16 hours, 22 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: No, but it will go over	[20:10]
thestringpuller	LOL	[20:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00596854 = 0.2447 BTC [+] {2}	[20:11]
nubbins`	hope you're getting a good price on your shirts :D	[20:12]
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jcpham	so they need to be $50	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	so what happens if 1st dividends are 0.007 per share ?	[20:12]
jcpham	i see your point	[20:12]
ThickAsThieves	the moon isn't high enough for such a div	[20:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC	[20:13]
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mircea_popescu	infinite power right ?	[20:14]
nubbins`	where are you getting em printed, anyway?	[20:14]
jcpham	http://goxshirts.com/products/got-gox-shirt	[20:14]
ozbot	Got Gox? shirt – goxshirts.com	[20:14]
nubbins`	cafepress or some such?	[20:14]
ThickAsThieves	ew	[20:14]
nubbins`	;D was hoping that'd garner a reaction	[20:15]
jcpham	everyone thank nubbins`the price went up	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[20:15]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 585.38, Best ask: 587.37, Bid-ask spread: 1.99000, Last trade: 587.37, 24 hour volume: 50964.25595437, 24 hour low: 502.0, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 561.245443288	[20:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 165 @ 0.00599339 = 0.9889 BTC [+] {3}	[20:15]
*	nubbins` discreetly undercuts prices	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	o no! look at that, nobody cared!	[20:15]
jcpham	umm customink	[20:16]
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jcpham	doesn't really matter to me. still working out logistics	[20:16]
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davout	benkay: hey	[20:16]
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jcpham	i had a need for a shopify thingy	[20:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.0059977 = 0.1679 BTC [+] {2}	[20:17]
*	nubbins` raises eyebrow	[20:17]
nubbins`	they do one-off shirts for $20.75, shipping included	[20:17]
nubbins`	my guess is chinese shirts with heat xfer graphics	[20:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103 BTC [+]	[20:18]
nubbins`	i wouldn't even set up the press for $20.75 ;p	[20:18]
benkay	davout: more tunes still on offer?	[20:18]
davout	benkay: sure! later tonight tho, gotta wrap some stuff up	[20:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.0059977 = 0.3839 BTC [+]	[20:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.06178989 = 0.4943 BTC [+]	[20:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.103 = 0.927 BTC [+]	[20:19]
ThickAsThieves	i'm gonna try to get Havelock to fix this market cap bullshit	[20:19]
ThickAsThieves	how many SMG shares are there again?	[20:19]
benkay	bahaha	[20:19]
benkay	davout: i'll check in tomorrow, busy tonight	[20:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.0059978 = 0.3659 BTC [+] {2}	[20:20]
davout	no worries :D	[20:20]
benkay	ThickAsThieves: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.MG	[20:20]
nubbins`	that doesn't tell the total # of shares	[20:20]
ThickAsThieves	i guess it's abstracted by warrant	[20:21]
ThickAsThieves	s	[20:21]
mike_c	;;calc 12157 / .000138	[20:21]
gribble	88094202.8986	[20:21]
nubbins`	well that's the thing about warrants	[20:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.0059978 = 0.2279 BTC [+]	[20:21]
mike_c	^ that many shares	[20:21]
benkay	http://trilema.com/2014/smg-january-2014-statement/	[20:21]
ozbot	S.MG, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[20:21]
mike_c	and about the same # of warrants	[20:21]
ThickAsThieves	hmm	[20:22]
benkay	wait why i am i doing mp's work for him	[20:22]
ThickAsThieves	so really havelock would need to pull that count dynamically	[20:22]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11475881 BTC [+]	[20:22]
nubbins`	can they do that?	[20:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 320 @ 0.00599885 = 1.9196 BTC [+] {5}	[20:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.49 = 1.47 BTC [-]	[20:22]
mike_c	shares is fixed. warrants are somewhat dynamic.	[20:22]
benkay	they can't do that?	[20:22]
mike_c	btcalpha manages :)	[20:22]
nubbins`	btcalpha accomodates shares being created after the fact?	[20:23]
mike_c	it accomodates warrants being issued	[20:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 227 @ 0.0055 = 1.2485 BTC	[20:23]
nubbins`	suppose i cash in my warrant today. 192,000 s.mg shares get pushed to my account	[20:23]
nubbins`	how does havelock find out about this?	[20:24]
mike_c	monthly statement	[20:24]
benkay	sounds like a thing havelock and the pt managers should really have thought about.	[20:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00599999 = 0.408 BTC [+] {2}	[20:24]
nubbins`	mike_c: so the numbers could be inaccurate on havelock for up to 30 days	[20:24]
ThickAsThieves	well this week havelock becomes the PT manager	[20:24]
mike_c	only sort of. fully dilute market cap doesn't change	[20:25]
ThickAsThieves	surely James and Mircea can sort out a way to reliably get a count	[20:25]
benkay	guess that means you don't have to worry about any of this bullshit, eh, ThickAsThieves?	[20:25]
ThickAsThieves	well i want neo's to be right mostly	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	S.MG has a total of 88`096`605 authorised shares outstanding	[20:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17068 @ 0.00088091 = 15.0354 BTC [+]	[20:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 211 @ 0.00599892 = 1.2658 BTC [-] {3}	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	and why are warrants included or what are we discussing ?	[20:26]
ThickAsThieves	they arent included, but they are a factor should they be rendered, no?	[20:26]
nubbins`	i think the question is how havelock knows total # of shares	[20:26]
nubbins`	when people can cash out warrants whenever they want	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	and for that matter s.mg can write more warrants whenever it wants.	[20:27]
nubbins`	nod	[20:27]
nubbins`	this presents a problem to be solved if havelock wishes to display a live count of the number of shares existing	[20:28]
ThickAsThieves	it just means the cap needs to be more dynamic than ASICMINER for example	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	this is what jurov likes so much about mpex	[20:28]
nubbins`	anyway bbl i gotta run an errand	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` well generally share counts change. corps do share-based acquisitions and mergers, splits, reverse splits	[20:29]
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mircea_popescu	warrants and options are exercised all the time	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	kind-of why the key figures are reported a certain way in fiat.	[20:29]
nubbins`	nod	[20:30]
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nubbins`	wait, i said bbl	[20:30]
nubbins`	for real this time!	[20:30]
ThickAsThieves	alright, short email to Havelock CEO sent, I even gave him all the dataz.	[20:32]
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ThickAsThieves	(for SMG, AM, NEO)	[20:32]
ThickAsThieves	everyone else can get fukt i guess	[20:33]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11475881 = 0.2295 BTC [+]	[20:34]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0617 = 0.1234 BTC [-]	[20:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.104 BTC [+]	[20:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 323 @ 0.00599869 = 1.9376 BTC [-] {3}	[20:38]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00599975 = 0.198 BTC [+] {2}	[20:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11499999 = 0.23 BTC [+]	[20:39]
ThickAsThieves	;;calc .000599975*16000000	[20:40]
gribble	9599.6	[20:40]
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ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[20:40]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 584.37, Best ask: 585.65, Bid-ask spread: 1.28000, Last trade: 584.37, 24 hour volume: 50743.47596829, 24 hour low: 509.96, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 561.356989288	[20:40]
ThickAsThieves	;;calc 9599.6*584.37	[20:40]
gribble	5609718.252	[20:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10499999 BTC [+]	[20:40]
ThickAsThieves	oops	[20:41]
ThickAsThieves	should be 10x	[20:41]
ThickAsThieves	NEOBEE at $56.1m	[20:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 108 @ 0.00599963 = 0.648 BTC [-] {3}	[20:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.06178989 = 0.3089 BTC [+]	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	160mn shares ?	[20:42]
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ThickAsThieves	16m	[20:42]
ThickAsThieves	i had the price wrong	[20:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1055 = 0.211 BTC [+] {2}	[20:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.0059996 = 0.162 BTC [-]	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	lol. bank of cyprus was what, 350mn ?	[20:43]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.005998 = 0.12 BTC [-] {2}	[20:43]
ThickAsThieves	€ 371.59m	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	well so almost there	[20:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 168 @ 0.005998 = 1.0077 BTC [-] {2}	[20:45]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 253 @ 0.000501 = 0.1268 BTC [+]	[20:46]
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ThickAsThieves	http://gothamist.com/2014/02/26/spike_lee_goes_off_about_the_mother.php	[20:49]
ThickAsThieves	i'm having real trouble understanding the growing trend of american anti-gentrificationism	[20:50]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.061 = 0.305 BTC [-] {2}	[20:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.00599972 = 0.75 BTC [+]	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	"we're poor and dirty why should anyone be rich" not enough ?	[20:52]
mooninite	MtGox Update 3: I found it, my usb with 700k bitcoins, It had fell down the side of the sofa at starbucks, withdrawals to resume soonish.	[20:52]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: people dream of keeping their money	[20:52]
asciilifeform	is this really deep science?	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	"You have to come with respect. There’s a code."	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha epic.	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	fuck you and your fucking code.	[20:53]
ThickAsThieves	the comments are ridiculous "Why does it take an influx of white New Yorkers in the South Bronx, in Harlem, in Bed Stuy, in Crown Heights for the facilities to get better? Why did it take this great influx of white people to get the schools better? The garbage wasn’t picked up every motherfuckin’ day when I was living in 165 Washington Park... The police weren’t around... When	[20:53]
ThickAsThieves	you see white mothers pushing their babies in strollers, three o’clock in the morning on 125th Street, that must tell you something."	[20:53]
ThickAsThieves	why? cuz you didnt	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	basically, some people suck, some don't. whee why should this be, whoo how could this be.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	it just is.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	part of it, of course, has to do with "the code".	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	some codes suck.	[20:54]
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asciilifeform	in america, there are (de-facto) radically different 'tax rates' (not tax properly speaking, but rent) for different castes	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	there's no such thing as a right to one's code just because it exists or just because it's different.	[20:55]
ThickAsThieves	god forbid a mom can walk down a street safely	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	get a good code or stfu.	[20:55]
asciilifeform	you can squeeze into the rent zone of a different caste if you're willing to live where it lives	[20:55]
asciilifeform	but when people do it en mass, the landlords adjust the price	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform pretty much.	[20:55]
asciilifeform	this is called, for some reason, 'gentrification'	[20:55]
ThickAsThieves	i thought it was called 'life'	[20:55]
asciilifeform	just explaining for people who have never been to the u.s.	[20:56]
ThickAsThieves	or maybe 'progress'	[20:56]
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asciilifeform	so it works roughly like this. you're a programmer or whatnot, and live in a repurposed warehouse, with armoured doors. and life is good, you pay 1/10 of your money as rent	[20:57]
asciilifeform	then the other programmers think you're clever and get the same idea	[20:57]
asciilifeform	in a few years the street is full of people like yourself and you pay the mandatory 1/2 of your money as rent.	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform amusingly historic data from 1600s and 1700s shows avg rents being about 5% of income	[20:58]
ThickAsThieves	i visited the tenderloin in SF, i dont know what the fuck they are clinging on to	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	with tax trailing around 4%	[20:58]
ThickAsThieves	it's a pit	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	those were the dark ages	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	today people pay 50% ish in tax and 25% in rent.	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	and then in most places another 10%ish in vat and vat-like taxes.	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	leaving them with about 1 in 10 of their income	[20:59]
asciilifeform	show people what fraction of their net crop medieval serfs paid, and no one believes you.	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	as opposed to the traditional TAKING 1 of 10	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	right-o.	[20:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.13587998 BTC [+]	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	you need a whole of a lot of progress to get people thinking they're better off in vermin infested shitholes today than they were in 1500	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	"When Michael Jackson died they wanted to have a party for him in motherfuckin’ Fort Greene Park and all of a sudden the white people in Fort Greene said, 'Wait a minute! We can’t have black people having a party for Michael Jackson to celebrate his life. Who’s coming to the neighborhood?	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	well honestly now... why would white people let black people throw parties for mj's death ?	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	he was white.	[21:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00599975 = 0.186 BTC [+] {2}	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	give him at least that much.	[21:01]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[21:01]
ThickAsThieves	he did work hard for it	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	ikr/	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	in other news, the bitcoin Rift guild is about to pass 1k players 0.o	[21:01]
ThickAsThieves	is the game fun? or you just in it for the economy?	[21:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 136 @ 0.00598329 = 0.8137 BTC [-] {4}	[21:03]
ThickAsThieves	i have it uninstalled	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	im mostly doing it for the economy	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	which i pretty much own	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	but the game is like wow withot the stupid shit	[21:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 143 @ 0.00596738 = 0.8533 BTC [-] {6}	[21:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49899998 BTC [+]	[21:05]
mooninite	s/Rift/Guild Wars2/	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	i never tried gw	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	2	[21:07]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 17 @ 0.00599976 = 0.102 BTC [+]	[21:08]
mooninite	I played Rift, it was def a step of from the likes of WoW. But GW2 is the epitome of "without the stupid shit"	[21:08]
mooninite	no gear treadmill, skill oriented gameplay	[21:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC	[21:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0605 = 0.3025 BTC [-]	[21:09]
mooninite	anyways	[21:09]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00599976 = 0.174 BTC [+]	[21:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 13 @ 0.16230094 = 2.1099 BTC [-]	[21:10]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 21 @ 0.00599999 = 0.126 BTC [+]	[21:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]	[21:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.060377 = 2.0528 BTC [-]	[21:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 223 @ 0.00599999 = 1.338 BTC [+]	[21:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 118 @ 0.00599999 = 0.708 BTC [+]	[21:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 450 @ 0.00599999 = 2.7 BTC [+]	[21:14]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1738 @ 0.00599999 = 10.428 BTC [+] {3}	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	mooninite how does the gear threadmill work ?	[21:16]
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mooninite	at max level, everyone's gear stats hit the same ceiling. There's no quest for bigger and better loots. Some people dislike this fact, but I find it nice to be able to quit playing for a few weeks, come back and not feel like everyone else progressed beyond me	[21:19]
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mooninite	there are ascended and legendary items that would be the sort of 'epic' rarity loots but their stats are barely higher than the regular items, only they look nicer and have particle effects	[21:19]
mooninite	so it's a level playing field, and if you want to farm and go out of your way to get the rarest items, you can -- but they will not immediately make you stronger than everyone else, it's just for looks	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	so how the heck does crafting work then ?	[21:20]
the20year2	possibly dumb question, but would it be possible to request the listing of an asset on mpex via a pre-existing account, or does it have to be done from a brand new one?	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	the20year2 there's no requirement it be a new account	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	i don't think any assets were listed off new accounts anyway, what sense'd that make ?	[21:21]
mike_c	% as rent has more to do with density, no?	[21:21]
the20year2	My primary concern/question if the requirement is always 30btc to list an asset	[21:21]
mike_c	% as rent climbs as population density rises	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	there's no 30 btc to list an asset tho.	[21:21]
the20year2	But, 30btc to sign up an account	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	mpex works exactly like a stock exchange is supposed to work, the asset should ideally take an underwriter	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	which is someone with the experience and contacts required to maintain the financial side of things.	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	if every ipo also bought a pit spot it'd be the fucking end of the world over at nyse.	[21:22]
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mircea_popescu	in some cases obviously the asset is owned by an actual investment bank which already has a seat. this is by no means common or the rule. esp as things mature.	[21:23]
the20year2	And who is the contact?	[21:23]
the20year2	You're talking about market makers, correct?	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	the contact for what exactly ?	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	uh no.	[21:24]
the20year2	the underwriter for an asset on mpex	[21:24]
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mircea_popescu	there's no requirement that the underwriter marketmakes	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	with the exception of x.eur and the options, mpex assets aren't mm'd specifically	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	anyone can be the mm or somescuh.	[21:26]
the20year2	I guess I'm trying to determine if there'd be use in whether there would be a use for a USD rentalstarter bond on mpex	[21:26]
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the20year2	And if so, the costs of doing such	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[21:26]
the20year2	We should hit $500k in total NAV by June, which is good, but i don't know if it's enough still in order to get a portfolio lender to consider us	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	well, if you aren't in the business, the logical step would be to talk to someone who is.	[21:27]
the20year2	Which was the whole idea behind doing this 2nd round of funding via havelock. So, then i've got to consider what non-share options there exist for business financing. Issuing interest bearing bonds are one of those things that many businesses do when they don't/can't apply for bank financing.	[21:28]
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mike_c	but you'd have to pay interest in btc..	[21:28]
the20year2	Well , if it works as a BTC short, then the interest being paid would be tied to USD rather than BTC, but still paid via btc as the medium	[21:29]
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nubbins`	today people pay 50% ish in tax and 25% in rent. <<< you're obviously not from canada	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` was thinking more of a us thing.	[21:31]
the20year2	isn't it flipped in canada?	[21:31]
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the20year2	Then of course, depending on the cost, issuing bonds in the US may be preferential to pursuing issuance on a bitcoin based exchange	[21:33]
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the20year2	Hopefully I'm making sense	[21:35]
the20year2	The two questions are : Would a USD bond (to short BTC:USD) be useful on somewhere like mpex, and if so, what would the cost be to do such a venture from the issuer standpoint	[21:35]
nubbins`	wait, sorry, 25% of gross pay	[21:35]
nubbins`	i see	[21:35]
nubbins`	~50% of net for housing is the norm here	[21:36]
the20year2	US they want to see 35%	[21:36]
mike_c	there's already a btc hedge on mpex in x.eur. i'm not sure how much appetite you'll find for a bond that will decrease in NAV and interest rate as btc rises.	[21:36]
nubbins`	depending on your tax bracket, that could be around 25% of gross	[21:36]
the20year2	and that includes usually utilities	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	the20year2 what makes you tihnk you have the credibility to issue bonds in the first place ?	[21:37]
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mircea_popescu	i mean equity is one thing, people love throwing money away	[21:37]
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mircea_popescu	but a fixed upside requires a very narrow downside.	[21:38]
the20year2	I'd like to think i've been more transparent with rentalstarter than most other issuers have been with their respective listings. Of course, i'm still asking if this is a possibility at any rate	[21:38]
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mircea_popescu	a possibility it is, of course, but transparency is hardly much of a qualification.	[21:40]
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the20year2	With the number of companies that have outright scammed people i'd kind of expect it to at least play a partial role in future issuer plans.	[21:41]
mike_c	how many companies on mpex have scammed people?	[21:41]
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the20year2	I'm not aware of any, however i'm talking about the landry list of stocks out there that have.	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	in general companies that can't finance themselves through stock issuance have little or no hope of placing bonds successfully.	[21:43]
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mircea_popescu	at least i've never heard of pinksheet bonds issuance.	[21:43]
thestringpuller	people need to stop financing period until their business actually runs	[21:44]
the20year2	There's a medium sized REIT i ran into out of texas that issued bonds here pretty recently in the same way I would like to do ours	[21:44]
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the20year2	To issue bonds in the US, up to $50m all that is required is to issue a PPM and file with the SEC in the respective investor's state	[21:44]
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the20year2	Then, depending on accreditation you then are limited to a number of investors	[21:45]
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mircea_popescu	what's "run into" mean ?	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	jesus fuck, i go craft, check twitter half hour later, 24 interactions	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	how is one supposed to handle this shit	[21:49]
thestringpuller	you ignore them	[21:49]
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mircea_popescu	i guess so.	[21:51]
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mircea_popescu	actually goes pretty fast.	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	most of it is just spam basically made to make one feel important.	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	takes about 3 minutes to cut through 25 interactions.	[21:52]
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the20year2	at least bots think you're important	[21:54]
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mircea_popescu	not a matter of bots, just, all interaction is split up in n atomic bits	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	guy X favorited your tweet. mkay, nobody cares.	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	guy x retweeted your tweet. mkay, nobody cares.	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	most of what twitter calls "interactions" is spurious nonsense and in general 6-10 of those could have been consolidated in 1 line.	[21:56]
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mike_c	the gox failure has clearly been depressing ATC prices..	[22:05]
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ArsKisS	aaand... it's banned	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	what is ?	[22:12]
ArsKisS	wait wut	[22:12]
ArsKisS	bitcoin	[22:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1124 @ 0.00052998 = 0.5957 BTC [+] {4}	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	in pakistan ?	[22:12]
ArsKisS	aah	[22:12]
ArsKisS	you didn't see the rows before my comment	[22:12]
ThickAsThieves	every politician needs some aide telling him to consider what implications his comments have on the US dollar	[22:12]
ThickAsThieves	ban USD!	[22:13]
ArsKisS	[22:11:12] have at em boys: https://twitter.com/Sen_JoeManchin	[22:13]
ArsKisS	[22:11:35] "ban bitcoin" lol	[22:13]
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ThickAsThieves	[15:09] http://www.businessinsider.com/senator-calls-for-bitcoin-ban-2014-2	[22:13]
ThickAsThieves	[15:09] look at those assholes shoving iphones in his face	[22:13]
ThickAsThieves	[15:09] lol	[22:13]
ThickAsThieves	^ mp	[22:13]
asciilifeform	only reason the ban isn't official yet is that ft. meade hasn't finished the beta version of the IRSCoin that u.s. citizens will be asked to trade their TerroristCoins for.	[22:13]
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ThickAsThieves	"Bitcoin has also become a haven for individuals to buy black market items. " shit it's harder to get stuff with bitcoin than dollars now	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	oic	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile i'm having fun on twitter with twerps who describe themselves as "Strategy & Research"	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	and then do website design for a living.	[22:15]
ThickAsThieves	i wonder, is there a legal ground for disallowing the USG to ban it on grounds that it would destroy huge amounts of wealth for US citizens already invested?	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	because srsly. that's where it's aty.	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves no.	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	the usg has the god given right to destroy any wealth of its citizens it can.	[22:16]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: hemp, gold, 100 other historical examples	[22:16]
ThickAsThieves	i like those examples	[22:16]
ThickAsThieves	cuz they failed	[22:17]
ArsKisS	http://auroracoin.org/	[22:17]
ArsKisS	btw what do you think?	[22:17]
ThickAsThieves	scam	[22:17]
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ArsKisS	ThickAsThieves, iceland government gonna scam their citizens?	[22:17]
ThickAsThieves	where do you see the gov being involved?	[22:17]
ArsKisS	afaik they gonna distribute	[22:18]
ThickAsThieves	afaik?	[22:18]
gx	god, that article just drives me nuts	[22:18]
ThickAsThieves	k more	[22:18]
ArsKisS	as far as i know	[22:18]
gx	we should ban it, because it's unstable	[22:18]
gx	rofl	[22:18]
ThickAsThieves	you dont know	[22:18]
ThickAsThieves	is what you mean to say	[22:18]
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asciilifeform	national altchains are inevitable - just like the idiot national cryptosystems of the '80s-90s	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i bet you not in 2014.	[22:18]
ThickAsThieves	maybe so, but auroracoin isnt one	[22:18]
asciilifeform	as soon as these folks figure out how to diddle the crypto	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	not even	[22:19]
asciilifeform	straight key escrow is a little out of fashion	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	as soon as they figure out wtf they are. will be 2015 at the ealiest.	[22:19]
asciilifeform	it's gonna have to be something more subtle	[22:19]
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ThickAsThieves	it's premined and there's a hard fork already?!	[22:19]
ThickAsThieves	lolroracoin	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[22:19]
ArsKisS	ThickAsThieves, well, that knida explained :P	[22:19]
Duffer1	not like the premine was a lot of coins just a mere 50%	[22:20]
ArsKisS	:D	[22:20]
ThickAsThieves	the whole thing is absurd and insulting	[22:20]
gx	Before the U.S. gets too far behind the curve on this important topic, I urge the regulators to work together, act quickly, and prohibit this dangerous currency from harming hard-working Americans.	[22:20]
gx	jesus	[22:20]
ThickAsThieves	hard-working americans?	[22:20]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[22:20]
mike_c	what about the lazy americans?	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	gx having fun ?	[22:21]
Duffer1	none of that sentence made sense	[22:21]
ThickAsThieves	% of hard work performed by bitcoiners = .00000001	[22:21]
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gx	i'm fucking raging	[22:22]
gx	lol	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	spam because funny :	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	@TomHashemi Did you want to share something with the group ?	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	@Mircea_Popescu Nope... I've read enough of your nonsense on bitcointalk to do it on twitter as well	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	@TomHashemi I don't write on bitcointalk.	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	@Mircea_Popescu you are not MPOE-PR or whatever?	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	@TomHashemi No. And why am I talking to derps who think they may put "strategy" on their bio when what they do is code websites ?	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	@Mircea_Popescu errrr maybe because I do both? try reading the full page before you comment...	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	@TomHashemi Sure, most actual strategists I know advertise themselves as cooks, streetsweepers, merchandise stacking "executives" and so on	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	@Mircea_Popescu Didn't realise I had to get all my sources of income approved by you before I proceed. I'll remember for next time, thanks.	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	@TomHashemi You're from a different movie, seriously.	[22:23]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: wrestling with pigs?	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	im on twitter nao	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	dun-dundun you're in the shitter nao	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXpF2xMlZyQ	[22:24]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[22:24]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 \| Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 579.64, vol: 51250.82140218 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 566.0, vol: 34102.75551 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 583.2499, vol: 39495.72382802 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 595.02, vol: 338.71655363 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 574.633104, vol: 14739.30100000 \| Volume-weighted last average: 576.844443971	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	ono! needs more 0s for volume	[22:25]
BingoBoingo	So Imma guess this recent drama means rally soon	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	kinda been rallying all day.	[22:26]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: Why do you waste your time with people like that? Is he some kind of uber-wealthy gateway?	[22:27]
ThickAsThieves	bitstamp is much less prone to "crashes" on "bad" news like this	[22:27]
ThickAsThieves	so glad gox is dead	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic cause i'm a fucking verbose idiot basically.	[22:27]
asciilifeform	new theory. twitter used by thinking people is really stego blockchain.	[22:28]
asciilifeform	4 bits per word.	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform in retrospect, "strategy" on such venues should be taken as an indicator of consumate armchair generalship.	[22:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00485 = 0.1116 BTC [-]	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	i guess protecting the term is impossible, actual people doing strategy will have to find a new word	[22:28]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: :-/ I don't think so, fwiw.	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	kids take over this one	[22:28]
ThickAsThieves	"After you ban #bitcoin, could you ban really hot, humid weather? It's really the most annoying weather."	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic no but w/e, he was talking at me on twitter. so i respond. and when i respond to people i don't know it highligths them to research team too, so they give me a "who's this guy".	[22:29]
asciilifeform	i've nothing against armchair generals, so long as they don't labour under the delusion of commanding actual soldiers.	[22:29]
jurov	asciilifeform that leaves obvious coinclusion about bruce schneiers recommended password solution	[22:29]
ThickAsThieves	"please clarify whether this ban would apply to @dogecoin also?"	[22:29]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[22:29]
midnightmagic	doh	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	when i get back a "well he makes websites" im like o great	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves droopy tits is what they should ban	[22:29]
ThickAsThieves	yes!	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	big is ok but saggy nobody wants.	[22:30]
asciilifeform	i'm a stereotypical, unrepentant armchair general myself. even have a copy of clausewitz somewhere.	[22:30]
ThickAsThieves	a scourge on the nation surely	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i don't think armchair generals are allowed clausewitz	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	i suppose we may mean different things by the term.	[22:31]
ThickAsThieves	someone should do an article on the senator that has "BTCUSD fell -1% on the news"	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	my armchair generals are qualified to discuss anything because they once finished a game of starcraft	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	and it was really hard.	[22:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.0008772 = 7.4123 BTC [-]	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	"mpex drops 1% on news of ceo wasting his time talking to idiots on twitter"	[22:32]
asciilifeform	i'm just a noob to the sheer magnitude of the apparent civilizational decay.	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	;;calc (0.00087832 - 0.0008772 )/ 0.00087832	[22:32]
gribble	0.00127516167228	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	0.1%	[22:32]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[22:33]
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asciilifeform	(what's the word for what used to be a normal kid, who wants a time machine so he can get clobbered in stalingrad like a real man? 'armchair private' ?)	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	btw, ThickAsThieves saves the day. if bitcoin is banned we move to altcoin	[22:33]
asciilifeform	how many folks here were armchair privates?	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i don't think these exist anymore, and if they do exist they're prolly girls.	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	wanting to starve as sufragettes or something.	[22:34]
ThickAsThieves	that's the plan	[22:34]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: girls?! explain	[22:34]
asciilifeform	aha	[22:34]
ThickAsThieves	we must have an "alt"ernative	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	maaaaybe some kid wants to be at stonewall	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	without even being gay	[22:34]
ThickAsThieves	the senators web page crashed my Opera	[22:34]
ThickAsThieves	hax	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	(well... he's bicurious. and he thinks he might be gay)	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves, at your request : Ah, che bel vivere, che bel piacere: per un senatore di qualità! di qualità!	[22:35]
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ThickAsThieves	i requested a mexican translation?	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	from "il senatore di faniente", a famous opera	[22:36]
ThickAsThieves	ah	[22:36]
ThickAsThieves	lemme see if my portuguese can decipher	[22:36]
ThickAsThieves	nevermind	[22:37]
ThickAsThieves	i see my pretty	[22:37]
ThickAsThieves	for one senator	[22:37]
ThickAsThieves	maybe i should buy some rosetta stones	[22:37]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: modern boys don't want time machine?	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	nah	[22:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 63 @ 0.00599999 = 0.378 BTC [+]	[22:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.49000004 = 2.45 BTC [-] {2}	[22:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.0055 = 0.1265 BTC	[22:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00087897 = 3.1203 BTC [+] {2}	[22:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0055 = 0.2475 BTC	[22:46]
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asciilifeform	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10655270/Plan-to-split-California-into-six-states-gains-ground.html	[22:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1155 BTC [+]	[22:53]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599999 = 0.12 BTC [+]	[22:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 206 @ 0.00055 = 0.1133 BTC [+]	[22:54]
nubbins`	http://www.eulorum.org/Eulora/Installing_Eulora	[22:54]
nubbins`	^ first post :D	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	yay!	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha that icon is deathly cute	[22:55]
nubbins`	prob needs some editing, i'll take another look over it later. this is my first time writing a wiki article	[22:55]
nubbins`	i know hey?	[22:55]
nubbins`	wonder what happens if you poke his nose ;(	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` btw, you got any crafting done or anything ?	[22:55]
nubbins`	no, only got as far as the login screen. keyboard input goes to the terminal window rather than the un/pw textboxes	[22:56]
nubbins`	it's a work in progress ;D	[22:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11889 @ 0.00087674 = 10.4236 BTC [-] {2}	[22:57]
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nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/dan-aykroyd-loves-new-face-of-crystal-head-vodka-1.2551755	[22:59]
nubbins`	in other news, you can buy a fucking glass hockey skate filled with whisky now	[23:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00599999 = 0.258 BTC [+]	[23:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11749998 BTC [+]	[23:04]
ThickAsThieves	"The hack rates as one of the largest heists in history"	[23:04]
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ThickAsThieves	re saying Gox lost $400m	[23:04]
ThickAsThieves	by what measure?	[23:04]
azi`	are we actually sure it was a hack?	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	lmao mtgox is a hack nao ?	[23:05]
azi`	i'd really like to know what was going on at gox	[23:05]
azi`	i mean, no blockchain info about the 700k bitcoins	[23:05]
azi`	and its unreasonable to think they lost the wallet to the cold storage thing	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	azi` dude, they just bundled everything together.	[23:06]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/mtgox-and-ancient-bitcoin-history-the-straight-dope/	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	read that and follow the links. you'll get it.	[23:06]
ThickAsThieves	Havelock's response to my market cap fix request "I will keep you posted on when this will be updated and how."	[23:08]
azi`	doing it just now.. i am wondering if it can change my view that gox was just too incopetent to run this "get bitcoins and run" scheme	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	anyone know a certain Bryce Weiner ?	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	azi` well, let me know.	[23:09]
crash0verrid3	oooo	[23:09]
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ThickAsThieves	omg someone on twitter just used "Bitcoin is not Quantum Safe, sorry." as an argument	[23:09]
asciilifeform	quantum safe?	[23:10]
azi`	mircea_popescu: so you think it's in no way related to the fact that they had some legal issues with authorities?	[23:10]
mike_c	ThickAsThieves: market cap deja vu..	[23:10]
mike_c	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2013#396183	[23:10]
azi`	the case reminds me very much to the case of full tilt poker, really..	[23:10]
azi`	they were stealing large sums of money but everything was fine until the FBI closed them down which caused a panic of withdrawals after reopening	[23:11]
lnovy	no order sorting? :(	[23:11]
ThickAsThieves	quantum safe? // ya we are at the mercy of vitalik's and jordan ash's turing quantum miners	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	azi` basically it's the bitcoinica blueprint rehashed.	[23:12]
kakobrekla	the real fear is luke jr, ThickAsThieves .	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	they lost some btc, kept daytrading to make it up, kept losing,	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	had various losses here and there	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	if you add it all up it's 700k btc or w/e	[23:12]
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mircea_popescu	most of it was when btc was very cheap	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	so this presentation overtstates losses to make a better story.	[23:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00599997 = 0.45 BTC [-]	[23:14]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.bitcoinnotbombs.com/bitcoin-vs-the-nsas-quantum-computer/	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	so today's takeaway is that idiots are remarkable territorial.	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	on top of all the bitcoin experts in #bitcoin, #bitcoin-otc, #bitcoin-etc	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	and on top of all the various specialist investors on bitcointalk	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	and reddittalk and etc	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	there's a different set of twitter guyse	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	which all have invented bitcoin and everything and so on and so forth.	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	remarkable how much entrenched idiocy the english language can spawn.	[23:15]
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mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhbR9QKCUAA4z8n.jpg:large << someone forgot a wo.	[23:19]
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ThickAsThieves	whaddaya know JPMorgan finded Manchin	[23:27]
ThickAsThieves	funded*	[23:27]
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ThickAsThieves	thanks ll	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	derp.	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	as i was sayin' to erik, the guy's the clown of all time.	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	http://www.huntingtonnews.net/8650	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	A. James Manchin either delighted or appalled the West Virginia voters. Many people, especially senior citizens, loved the attention he bestowed upon them later as Secretary of State. He would produce a certificate with a gold star and make quite a production of just about anyone's service to "Mother West Virginia." Giving away his trademark white or black fedora to young teenage boys along the campaign trail, Manch	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	in was known to even pull off the road and attend funerals for people he didn't know.	[23:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00599999 = 0.204 BTC [+]	[23:29]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: is it okay to copy eulora-specific content wholesale from trilema to the wiki? or would you prefer we link to articles	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	ideally link	[23:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 126 @ 0.00595006 = 0.7497 BTC [-]	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	inasmuch as wiki articles are intended ot describe things such as they are, they don't sanely need much more than snippets anwyay	[23:31]
nubbins`	nod, true	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	i mean arguably eulora as-is won't match exactly the eulora as-word-of-god	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	hence the utility of a wiki in the first place.	[23:32]
nubbins`	yeah	[23:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 196 @ 0.00595003 = 1.1662 BTC [-] {3}	[23:32]
nubbins`	so, should the need arise, it's fine to paraphrase/summarize info and link to the relevant blog post?	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[23:33]
nubbins`	k	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Senator_Byrd_funeral_service.jpg	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	how come all the us presidents are wearing cheap synthetic suits ?	[23:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00573791 = 1.7214 BTC [-] {8}	[23:33]
nubbins`	cotton/silk shortage	[23:33]
thestringpuller	only jay-z can afford to wear tom ford	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	i don't imagine they're trying to buy 50 dollar suits, so you'd expect they could afford something	[23:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00570509 = 1.141 BTC [-] {7}	[23:34]
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ThickAsThieves	thestringpuller, are you seriously chasing usagi for money?	[23:35]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 181 @ 0.0056763 = 1.0274 BTC [-] {6}	[23:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00581293 = 0.5697 BTC [+] {8}	[23:45]
thestringpuller	ThickAsThieves: no I want to see who the other shareholders were	[23:48]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 553 @ 0.00057395 = 0.3174 BTC [+] {4}	[23:49]
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nubbins`	HIF rallymode	[23:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 210 @ 0.00586999 = 1.2327 BTC [+] {3}	[23:53]
nubbins`	i had a mid-december sell order get filled overnight	[23:53]
thestringpuller	!ticker h hif	[23:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00050000 / 0.00052981 / 0.00057500 (3892 shares, 2.06203014 BTC), 7D: 0.00038617 / 0.00047751 / 0.00057500 (21099 shares, 10.07507839 BTC), 30D: 0.00036000 / 0.00045198 / 0.00057500 (69588 shares, 31.45223437 BTC)	[23:53]
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thestringpuller	wow	[23:54]
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ThickAsThieves	has it paid divs?	[23:54]
mike_c	no dividends and no financial reports. what exactly are you investing in?	[23:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 114 @ 0.00589998 = 0.6726 BTC [+] {3}	[23:55]
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ThickAsThieves	;;calc 100000000*.000575	[23:56]
gribble	57500	[23:56]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[23:56]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 567.67, Best ask: 568.11, Bid-ask spread: 0.44000, Last trade: 568.11, 24 hour volume: 50469.56136110, 24 hour low: 517.0, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 566.874713657	[23:56]
mike_c	hm, supposedly there will be quarterly dividends	[23:56]
mike_c	maybe that's why rally	[23:56]
ThickAsThieves	;;calc 57500*567.67	[23:56]
gribble	32641025.0	[23:56]
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ThickAsThieves	HIF worth $32.6m	[23:56]
mike_c	there are 100m units of hif	[23:57]
nubbins`	yeah	[23:57]
nubbins`	i'm investing in a cut of listing fees ;p	[23:57]
ThickAsThieves	the rally is the Neo bump	[23:57]
ThickAsThieves	reddit went wild and added new users	[23:57]
nubbins`	this is the first time it's stayed above 0.005 for any length of time since IPO	[23:57]
nubbins`	i should really add "nubbins" to my highlight list	[23:58]
nubbins`	not everyone uses tab-complete ;(	[23:58]
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ThickAsThieves	add nub too :)	[23:58]
mike_c	their prospectus says they are going to make 6,000 btc in 2014. so quarterly dividend would be..	[23:59]
thestringpuller	and nug	[23:59]
mike_c	;;calc (6000 /4) / 100000000	[23:59]
gribble	1.5e-05	[23:59]
nubbins`	i added nubs. worried about false positives	[23:59]

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