Forum logs for 26 Feb 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
thestringpuller The Federal Reserve act was the best thing that ever happened to the US [00:00]
mircea_popescu because such attacks are difficult for ordinary people understand. I have trouble understanding your proposal - ordinary users will be easily bamboozled by a government sponsored security update. Further, when the crisis hits, to disagree with the line, to doubt that the regulators are right, and the problem is the evil speculators, becomes political suicide, as it did in America in 2007, sometimes physical suicide, a [00:00]
mircea_popescu s in Weimar Germany. [00:00]
mircea_popescu aaanyway. [00:00]
mircea_popescu we're not nor will we ever be socialists. [00:00]
mircea_popescu the us government, it's agents and assigns are cordially invited to go suck an onion. [00:00]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: you already predicted the collapse of MtGox for those very reasons [00:00]
thestringpuller you even WARNED people not to leave money in MtGox [00:01]
thestringpuller what some 10 months ago? [00:01]
dexX7 http://i.imgur.com/2b8Fec3.jpg [00:01]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller yes but in typical commie style, the evil empire is trying to turn things around [00:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 737 @ 0.00571275 = 4.2103 BTC [-] {11} [00:01]
mircea_popescu black is white, up is down, obama vorvarts etc. [00:01]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: There are also offers for them to try gingering for the buttcoins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gingering [00:01]
thestringpuller but then you disregard both teh media and what the government states [00:01]
thestringpuller the media gets it wrong [00:02]
thestringpuller the government gets it wrong [00:02]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo lol [00:02]
thestringpuller so just listen to the people who know what they are talkinga bout, don't play into the huxley mentality [00:02]
ThickAsThieves http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yx2t5/erik_voorhees_on_bloomberg_tv/ [00:02]
ozbot Erik Voorhees on Bloomberg TV : Bitcoin [00:02]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Seems like a better alternatives to the peppers, Prolly spec any actual offers though to use horse radish rather than ginger for the thick root [00:03]
mircea_popescu ;;google figging [00:03]
gribble Figging - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Urban Dictionary: figging: ; tacit: BDSM: Theory and Practice of Figging: [00:03]
ThickAsThieves i have a ginger addiction [00:03]
BingoBoingo Oh, already a thing. I guess that means there are standards to compare to then. [00:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 815 @ 0.00583951 = 4.7592 BTC [+] {10} [00:05]
mircea_popescu http://chicagomistresswrestler.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/caning-figging-368x236.png [00:05]
ThickAsThieves hmm i'm not addicted enough to put it in my butt tho [00:06]
thestringpuller and this is where I get back to work [00:06]
cads mircea_popescu: that's kinda awesome [00:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00587499 = 0.47 BTC [+] {2} [00:06]
cads I was just reading an article on tha [00:06]
mircea_popescu cads which that ? [00:06]
cads ginger play :) [00:07]
mircea_popescu o i c [00:07]
BingoBoingo Horseradish seems perfect for this purpose, a bit of a step up on the intensity http://www.photo-dictionary.com/phrase/2281/horseradish.html [00:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.00589997 = 0.3658 BTC [+] {4} [00:07]
mircea_popescu #ginger ? [00:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 419 @ 0.00589998 = 2.4721 BTC [+] {2} [00:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00088212 = 19.6713 BTC [+] {2} [00:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00589999 = 0.59 BTC [+] [00:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 133 @ 0.00465 = 0.6185 BTC [+] [00:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 609 @ 0.00589998 = 3.5931 BTC [-] {7} [00:10]
BingoBoingo Eh, We'll make offers to the next person who wants a Macbook Pro [00:11]
mircea_popescu benkay https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhWAuE6IAAAVsW9.jpg:large << drones [00:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 434 @ 0.00589998 = 2.5606 BTC [-] {2} [00:12]
BingoBoingo In other news 'Murica scraps extremely effective tool in favor of Vaporware http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/dod-aims-to-scrap-a-10-to-keep-f-35-alive-in-new-budget/ [00:13]
benkay robot ships! [00:13]
mircea_popescu sheeps [00:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 190 @ 0.00589998 = 1.121 BTC [-] [00:13]
benkay mircea_popescu: are you familiar with SkySails? [00:14]
mircea_popescu anyway, i'm off. looking forward to reading more derpage from clueless uninvolved people with delusions of self-importance tomorrow. [00:14]
mircea_popescu o, but they're journalists. o, but they're elected in some obscure "representative" group in some obscure country somewhere. o but how is it btc doesn't give a shit! o noes. [00:14]
* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [06:07]
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* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Nov 27 22:34:53 2013 [06:07]
nubbins` selkis [06:07]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell benkay vaguely. [06:08]
gribble The operation succeeded. [06:08]
nubbins` i saw his name in an associated press article today [06:08]
joecool ;;rate MagicalTux -9 the single largest contributing factor to negative press on bitcoin and the lack trust of the community, not -10 because kalyhost hasn't burned me yet and I have a bet riding on you going to jail [06:09]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user MagicalTux has changed from -3 to -9. [06:09]
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joecool o wrong chan [06:10]
joecool whatever [06:10]
mircea_popescu joecool lol amusingly i think i wrote last year about how mtgox is the one single worst thing in btc. [06:10]
BingoBoingo joecool: Well, gribble's here it works [06:10]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That article is part of the bit I am trying to get on slashdot nao [06:10]
punkman1 wait, someone uses karpeles' hosting? [06:11]
mircea_popescu oic. [06:11]
mircea_popescu punkman1 that's nothing, sometimes i see people in btc on linode. [06:11]
joecool punkman1: registrar [06:11]
Apocalyptic punkman1, heh [06:11]
[\] hi [06:11]
nubbins` hi [06:12]
joecool it's funny how small and quiet the support channel is for it too [06:12]
[\] asl [06:12]
joecool MT is still sitting in there [06:12]
Apocalyptic .d [06:12]
ozbot 3.130 billion | Next Diff in 435 blocks | Estimated Change: 20.0629% in 2d 9h 53m 33s [06:12]
[\] its a irc bouncer [06:12]
[\] I wouldn't put too much stock in it [06:12]
nubbins` 18/f/single [06:12]
kakobrekla not even laughing stock? [06:12]
mircea_popescu [\] you are 12 and what are you doing here [06:13]
nubbins` i mean usa [06:13]
[\] mircea_popescu: .boobies [06:13]
mircea_popescu .d erp [06:13]
[\] .bait [06:13]
joecool [\]: does he have it issuing commands regularly, i have not seen idle time of over 2 hours ever [06:13]
ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/8afa1c22159f8c9b336dc829a17cef8a/tumblr_mp47uxcB0B1svc1bto1_500.jpg [06:13]
joecool in the past day or so [06:13]
BingoBoingo puppies.txt [06:13]
Apocalyptic ""At this stage the relevant financial authorities, the police, the Finance Ministry and others are gathering information on the case,"" [06:13]
mircea_popescu oic, at THIS stage. [06:13]
[\] Apocalyptic: link [06:13]
Apocalyptic that escalated quite quickly [06:13]
dexX7 joecool: it's silent, because the channel is muted [06:13]
Apocalyptic http://www.cnbc.com/id/101446338 [06:13]
ozbot Japan authorities looking into closure of Mt. Gox bitcoin exchange [06:13]
mircea_popescu god forbid they fucking read trilema gathered shit at THAT stage. [06:13]
joecool dexX7: not the channel i'm talking about :) [06:14]
joecool #mtgox has 625, this channel has 12 [06:14]
joecool totally different scale [06:15]
BingoBoingo Eh, Imma trying to get that April 2013 Trilema on Slashdot, but... weeknights are hard [06:15]
kakobrekla 13 [06:15]
joecool :) [06:15]
Diablo-D3 http://www.cnbc.com/id/101446338, [06:16]
ozbot Japan authorities looking into closure of Mt. Gox bitcoin exchange [06:16]
Diablo-D3 http://www.cnbc.com/id/101446338 [06:16]
ozbot Japan authorities looking into closure of Mt. Gox bitcoin exchange [06:16]
[\] great [06:16]
[\] as if we didn't have that link already [06:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00087924 = 14.6833 BTC [-] {2} [06:16]
[\] derp [06:16]
BingoBoingo -assets will get all of the links [06:17]
kakobrekla trice [06:17]
jcpham that wickedfire thread is a good read [06:18]
[\] good thing gox has all of pirate's coins. [06:18]
jcpham +___+++! [06:18]
jcpham 1 [06:18]
[\] I know, because copumpkin is still screwing his sister. [06:18]
copumpkin damn right [06:18]
jcpham he would've moved to stamp ages ago [06:18]
[\] incest is awesome [06:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00087998 = 20.5915 BTC [+] [06:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.10801828 = 1.1882 BTC [-] {4} [06:18]
copumpkin I only screw sisters [06:18]
[\] your own sisters. [06:19]
jcpham i never had a sister [06:19]
[\] jcpham: because copumpkin screwed her. [06:19]
BingoBoingo I though they had Pirate's dollars, because I remember his runaway fail halving value from two digit USD to one digit USD [06:19]
[\] then she became your mother, not your sister. [06:19]
Mats_cd03 would you be my father [06:19]
[\] nah, she swallows now [06:20]
Mats_cd03 do you swallow [06:20]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla "in triplicate" [06:20]
mircea_popescu [\] what mtgox does have is all that's left of bitcoinica coins [06:20]
jcpham copumpkin you FUCKED MY SISTER?!?! [06:20]
mircea_popescu which will be so lulzy if it isn't already [06:20]
KRS1 .bait [06:20]
jcpham what abstard move [06:20]
ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/dc31b110863128d01be6823634e590de/tumblr_mwhz2zcJjX1rr5x73o1_1280.jpg [06:20]
copumpkin yeah [06:20]
jcpham mircea_popescu i'm thinking mtgox is scam [06:21]
jcpham i dunno though [06:21]
mircea_popescu best buy some debt [06:21]
BingoBoingo MtGox Scamming since 2010 [06:21]
KRS1 haha [06:21]
jcpham lolololol [06:21]
[\] guess its time to set up a new asset on glbse to sell gox debt [06:21]
[\] where's goat when you need him? he's good at that. [06:21]
KRS1 lol \ [06:22]
jcpham havelock requires credentials [06:22]
jcpham so it's out [06:22]
BingoBoingo When does MPEX list SYN.GOX [06:22]
[\] jcpham: keepass will make as many credentials that you need [06:22]
nubbins` what are credentials, anyway! [06:22]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [06:22]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 562.99, vol: 104844.03125090 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 552.861, vol: 64325.15053 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 564.25, vol: 82686.21481199 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 562.8768, vol: 24690.89200000 | Volume-weighted last average: 561.000604912 [06:22]
jcpham [\] did you check out teespring [06:22]
jcpham for the shirt [06:22]
[\] nope [06:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.0059 = 1.475 BTC [+] [06:22]
[\] I figured someone beat me to market [06:22]
jcpham same thing as the thing you were doing [06:23]
jcpham but you can crowd fund the hirt [06:23]
jcpham *shirt [06:23]
[\] do they accept bitcoins and allow me to make a large markup? [06:23]
jcpham so like it's paul graham YC thing [06:23]
jcpham sell it back ot them [06:23]
nubbins` i accept bitcoins and allow you to make a large markup [06:23]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo moar like ACK.GOX [06:23]
jcpham or nubbins` [06:23]
BingoBoingo Lol [06:23]
[\] how about got.gox [06:24]
jcpham nubbins` this shirt: http://www.customink.com/designs/goxyubikey/gjk0-000z-hs5a/twt [06:24]
jcpham no infringing logos [06:24]
jcpham how much shirt in btc [06:24]
jcpham *per shirt [06:24]
BingoBoingo Maybe someone can pull a Deprived SYN.GOX vs. ACK.GOX [06:24]
nubbins` heh [06:24]
nubbins` i like em [06:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.0059 = 0.1829 BTC [+] [06:24]
[\] aww [06:24]
jcpham yeah let's do it [06:25]
nubbins` jcpham, depends on quantity [06:25]
[\] now the ideas been hatched [06:25]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: How much do you charge for bespoke t-shirts again? [06:25]
jcpham i'll fund it [06:25]
nubbins` BingoBoingo: depends on quantity ;D [06:25]
jcpham or some of it [06:25]
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BingoBoingo nubbins`: Singles + unique art. Baseball season is coming up. I need a goal to gamble that purse up to. [06:25]
nubbins` a single shirt with a one-color print is around $75 [06:26]
nubbins` with artwork provided by you [06:26]
nubbins` lots of setup time ;) [06:26]
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BingoBoingo nubbins`: So If I also commisioned you to art it up on top of that how much could a t-shirt cost? [06:27]
jcpham we need to get like a simple site online asap for it [06:27]
jcpham i'm setting up a shopify site now for it [06:27]
KRS1 guys dont worry gox is coming back buy more btc [06:27]
jcpham that takes to long [06:27]
nubbins` design is $45/h, so it depends what you're looking for [06:28]
jcpham single color. single color logo [06:28]
jcpham i can zinodaur to do something [06:28]
jcpham let's see if he's online [06:28]
jcpham what time is it in romania [06:28]
[\] http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2014/02/25/101444036-474778471.530x298.jpg?v=1393339121 [06:29]
[\] dude's a glasshole [06:29]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: A Bulldozer, fuelled by whiskey and regret. I'm not ordering until baseball makes the money, but I need a goal to bet to. [06:29]
nubbins` heh. [06:29]
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nubbins` call it an even $150 and i'll print you extras out of the change [06:30]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Ans what if we skip the T-shirt and print on fancy bedsheets for a toga instead? [06:30]
nubbins` HEH [06:30]
BingoBoingo I wonder if actual Tyrian purple is still a thing [06:31]
nubbins` i'd have to price the sheets, what sort of thread count does sir require? [06:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.0008788 = 4.394 BTC [-] [06:32]
BingoBoingo SInce we are pricing for the impending baseball seasons lets assume no threads, all Chamois [06:32]
nubbins` nice, good choice [06:32]
BingoBoingo Purple chamois, orange silkscreen [06:32]
nubbins` that'll be stylish [06:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 175 @ 0.0059 = 1.0325 BTC [+] {2} [06:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.10800014 = 0.432 BTC [-] [06:33]
BingoBoingo I'd go to all of the Toga partys in the Midwest and get all of the well entitted 19 year olds [06:33]
KRS1 Mmm [06:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.0059 = 0.3835 BTC [+] [06:34]
KRS1 .bait [06:34]
ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/33dfe4d7ed36b2d14297562dfeb1ebb3/tumblr_mwv6yswT9D1s0yhsio1_1280.jpg [06:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.10800027 = 1.728 BTC [+] {4} [06:35]
BingoBoingo KRS1: Thinking a bit less european and quite a bit trashier [06:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00088478 = 11.9003 BTC [+] {3} [06:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 344 @ 0.00586511 = 2.0176 BTC [-] {2} [06:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.0058487 = 2.047 BTC [-] {3} [06:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 147 @ 0.0055 = 0.8085 BTC [06:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00583695 = 0.3502 BTC [-] {2} [06:48]
BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/DadBoner/status/438472711493275648 [06:48]
ozbot Twitter / DadBoner: Kroger manager said, "Did you ... [06:48]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00577674 = 0.3235 BTC [-] {2} [06:49]
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asciilifeform on activists, 'equality', etc. with english subs. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTfw5jDK94Y&app=desktop [06:49]
asciilifeform (paging mircea_popescu!) [06:49]
mircea_popescu hehe writing an article right now, knee deep in the clouds and whatnot. [06:50]
mircea_popescu but inasec. [06:50]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2014#531372 kako srsly, still with the motherfucking quotes ?! [06:56]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [06:56]
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cads hey mircea_popescu, is there a simple terms explanation for what it means for a brownian process B(t) to be adapted relative to a filtration F_t? I understand that it means that for each t B(t) is F_t measurable, that is, B(t) is always fully measurable against the data F_t carries. In particular we do not require events available only to some future refinement F_s of the filtration. [06:57]
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cads I'm wondering where does the filtration come from to begin with. [06:59]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Very informative. [07:00]
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cads I think I could see that the family of stopping times of a given process might let us create a filtration that other processes could be adapted to. [07:00]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: not sure if 'informative' is the word, but educational, perhaps. [07:01]
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cads Oh, all processes have natural filtrations. [07:05]
BingoBoingo Well, one thing I remember vividly from undergrad is that the nepali students were some of the chillest people on campus, but woe unto the football player who took a fancy to a Nepali girl and was then introduced to a cricket bat. [07:05]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.0058 = 0.435 BTC [+] [07:16]
asciilifeform ;;rate MagicalTux -10 pathetic Judas Goat. [07:17]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user MagicalTux has been recorded. [07:17]
mircea_popescu since i was digging records : [07:17]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-06-2013&bots=true#93021 [07:17]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [07:17]
mircea_popescu "Effective immediately, we are discontinuing all business operations pending a business model review. At this time we are unsure when, and if we will resume operations in the future." [07:17]
mircea_popescu guess the venue. [07:17]
BingoBoingo Vircurex [07:18]
BingoBoingo Vircurex used AurumExchange for USD and EU deposits [07:18]
mircea_popescu was aurum but hey. [07:20]
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BingoBoingo Well, AurumExchange was one of those liberty reserve outposts. [07:20]
BingoBoingo Bitpay was willing to pay into them so they at least had a bong [07:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1169 @ 0.00573669 = 6.7062 BTC [-] {8} [07:22]
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MisterE any of you get burned on your shorts yesterday? [07:25]
MisterE KRS1: I'm looking at you :p [07:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2500 @ 0.00084022 = 2.1006 BTC [-] {8} [07:26]
asciilifeform 'Effective immediately, we are discontinuing all breathing pending an atmospheric gas review. At this time we are unsure when, and if we will resume breathing in the future.' [07:27]
asciilifeform StercumExchange (tm) [07:27]
MisterE seems reasonable, it is a nuisance [07:27]
MisterE like bathing and food [07:28]
BingoBoingo .d [07:28]
ozbot 3.130 billion | Next Diff in 429 blocks | Estimated Change: 19.9917% in 2d 8h 50m 18s [07:28]
BingoBoingo Everything is a nuisance nao. [07:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 355 @ 0.00584348 = 2.0744 BTC [+] {3} [07:28]
MisterE BingoBoingo: what you up to? [07:30]
BingoBoingo MisterE: Enjoying sweet Gox death and hoping for Slashot victory [07:30]
MisterE heh I guess that makes 2 of us [07:31]
MisterE and update on the /. front? [07:31]
BingoBoingo MisterE: I have this package of patented dense -assets knowledge sitting on orage and waiting http://slashdot.org/submission/3366357/mtgox-collapse-should-come-as-no-suprise [07:31]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/a-compendium-of-basic-points-about-bitcoin-for-the-benefit-of-various-confused-noobs/ [07:51]
ozbot A compendium of basic points about Bitcoin for the benefit of various confused noobs. pe Trilema - U [07:51]
mircea_popescu if anyone sees anything missing... [07:51]
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mircea_popescu cads im not even sure. [07:52]
mircea_popescu perhaps brigher minds could advise. [07:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 128 @ 0.00088929 = 0.1138 BTC [+] {2} [07:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.005879 = 0.294 BTC [+] [07:54]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Seems thorough. [07:54]
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nubbins` actually got eulora compiled! but forgot to install a ton of required crystalspace libraries... so didn't get much other than a white screen with "welcome to eulora 0.0.4" [07:56]
nubbins` but... progress [07:56]
mircea_popescu nubbins` wd! [07:56]
mircea_popescu i hear wiki too ? [07:57]
BingoBoingo The april 2013 trilema article on GOx is about to make slashdot frontpage. [07:57]
mircea_popescu cool [07:57]
nubbins` yeah mike_c is sorting out hosting, i've got a saucy domain name reg'd [07:57]
BingoBoingo I mean unless @magicaltux does the manual sorting [07:58]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform re your video : it made me think of this caragiale piece (playwright, 1800s) : http://www.ilcaragiale.eu/opere/momente_si_schite/intelectualii.html [07:59]
mircea_popescu " Sunt chelneri cari, dupa cat au prins pe apucate din dezbaterile si conferintele intelectualilor, pot face mart pe un profesor de universitate, mai ales daca l-or lua repede." [07:59]
bitcoinpete Howdy y'all [08:00]
mircea_popescu "there are waiters who, from all they've heard from conversations and debates of intellectuals, could put away a university professor, especially should they proceed quickly" [08:00]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1673 @ 0.00018499 = 0.3095 BTC [+] {3} [08:00]
mircea_popescu mart specifically refers to the loss in backgammon when you lose without having taken out any of your own pieces. [08:00]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete heya [08:00]
BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/bobmcmillan/status/438521842358177793 happened [08:01]
ozbot Twitter / bobmcmillan: "Having Mt. Gox shut down is ... [08:01]
bitcoinpete Been a few, but I've been up on the logs [08:01]
bitcoinpete And I did that blog thing again [08:02]
bitcoinpete Perhaps also for noobs [08:02]
BingoBoingo Oh, link again? [08:02]
bitcoinpete http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/matters-of-merchant-adoption/ [08:02]
ozbot Matters of Merchant Adoption | When Bitcoin Met Pete [08:02]
bitcoinpete Hardly revelatory, but it's a reassessment of sorts of my previous notion that one should ever try to make "bitcoin more accessible" [08:03]
bitcoinpete Which was a strange mental default I had to correct [08:03]
BingoBoingo It is an important step forward though [08:03]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this probably wasn't the purpose of 'compendium of basic points...,' but now i'm marvelling over the ancient forum garbage [08:04]
asciilifeform did some chump really build a whatever-the-fuck with a set of leaked sources? [08:05]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Can they build any other way? [08:05]
asciilifeform and if so, why weren't the obligatory logic bombs set off [08:05]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Not advantageous enough yet? [08:06]
asciilifeform (or, are we to think that scammers write honest code) [08:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes. [08:06]
asciilifeform and did all of this shit really go down, or was it a dream. [08:06]
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mircea_popescu bitfinex (the thing which now is misreported as > 30% of the bitcoin average usd price) [08:06]
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mircea_popescu is built out of taking the leaked bitcoinica sources and running them [08:06]
mircea_popescu they were (illegally) leaked by amir taaki, who in he process exposed sensitive passwords [08:07]
mircea_popescu which resulted in the 3rd theft from there [08:07]
asciilifeform lol! [08:07]
mircea_popescu and in no case was he authorised to "make open source" the codebase [08:07]
BingoBoingo The mysterious antiques dealer [08:07]
mircea_popescu which is currently the only asset some new zealand executor has to try and repay the creditors [08:07]
mircea_popescu to the tune of i forged, but 10's of k's of btc [08:07]
mircea_popescu (mtgox also had some funds held "in escrow" from that debacle, [08:08]
mircea_popescu which it had been consistently refused to turn out to said executor) [08:08]
mircea_popescu for the obvious reasons. [08:08]
BingoBoingo At least New Zealand tries to earn the money back http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlcIKh6sBtc [08:08]
asciilifeform perhaps these folks belong in a large glass jar. where they are to feed upon one another, and the last one remaining to be extracted and will perhaps be good for something. [08:09]
BingoBoingo I dunno that I'd have made it out of a decent glass jar. I mean I initially came here from Bitcointalk [08:10]
asciilifeform not everyone into the jar. just them. [08:10]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the reason i always encourage people to read the history is quite this : endlessly fascinatingly amusing thing. [08:10]
mircea_popescu like a perpetual morning after. "did what ?!" [08:10]
bitcoinpete going to bubble tea, yup, bubble tea… be back [08:11]
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benkay bubble tea [08:11]
benkay balls in your mouth [08:11]
benkay never figured that tone out [08:11]
mircea_popescu lmao [08:11]
BingoBoingo So many mistakes I could have made, but so much more money I could have had even losing to those mistakes [08:12]
nubbins` remember "orbits"? [08:12]
BingoBoingo The problem is a need for time machines [08:12]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: fascinating, to a point. children playing with detcord. [08:12]
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BingoBoingo Detcord isn't that bad [08:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform precisely. [08:14]
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asciilifeform was the cribbed source even interesting in some way? [08:15]
asciilifeform or just the usual 'work is too much like work, let's crib it all' [08:15]
nubbins` "hey, why reinvent the wheel?" [08:16]
asciilifeform (this tale has me in an especially dour mood, given that not long ago i sent a once-promising client packing because he brought in a mountain of artlessly cribbed open source code.) [08:17]
BingoBoingo I am the wheel, you seriously don't want to deal with me. You need to reinvent me. [08:19]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/a-compendium-of-basic-points-about-bitcoin-for-the-benefit-of-various-confused-noobs/#footnote_0_52959 << added that which i regret i forgot on the first pass [08:19]
ozbot A compendium of basic points about Bitcoin for the benefit of various confused noobs. pe Trilema - U [08:19]
mircea_popescu i am sloppy ;/. [08:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the cribbed source was interesting, yes, in the way of humor. [08:20]
MisterE what is cribbed in American? [08:20]
mircea_popescu have you read the leaked discussions about the historical operation of bitcoinica ? [08:20]
asciilifeform nope [08:20]
mircea_popescu it;s linked from the recent mtgox article, because it's the same pattern [08:20]
mircea_popescu self trading at a loss. [08:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: self trading at a loss << arse-mouth system. [08:21]
asciilifeform thermodynamically doomed [08:21]
BingoBoingo But Bitcoinica had relic hunterz!!!! [08:21]
mircea_popescu myeah. [08:21]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo ironically... relics ? scavenger world ? thermodynamically doomed ? [08:21]
mircea_popescu this, incidentally, is the core and the whole of nsa's value proposition : people sign, subtly, but definitely, what they do. [08:22]
nubbins` MisterE: baseball [08:22]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: indeed [08:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00088029 = 11.7959 BTC [+] {2} [08:22]
mircea_popescu course in a sense nsa as it is stands in a relation to nsa-as-thus-described about roughly as that merry bunch of Meriwether's thieves stood with THEIR sensible value proposition [08:23]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Any sporting analogy is best as a baseball analogy, the greatest precision is there. Even if the metric is love of the cunts [08:23]
mircea_popescu as explained in http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ : "LTCM collected over one billion dollars in capital. If you’ve been following up to here you probably have a question in your mind : what in the world were they going to do with a billion of their own money ? Good question. The fund had access to heavy leverage, as high as 100:1 in many cases. One billion leveraged 100:1 means one hundred billio [08:23]
mircea_popescu n, and turn it any way you please there’s not going to be room for deplyoing a hundred billion in capital for the purpose of arbitraging minute differences between the 29 y T and the current T. There just can’t be. [08:23]
mircea_popescu So they started dicking around with stock options, betting on mergers, the works. " [08:23]
mircea_popescu basically, they had a good idea, got too much resources, fucked up. [08:23]
asciilifeform channelling herr naggum: 'It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.' [08:23]
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BingoBoingo This is wy I bet on sporting events, I know I can lose. [08:24]
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BingoBoingo puppies.txt [08:26]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell bitcoinpete you should get into the wot and remind me to put you in the bloglist sometime. [08:26]
gribble The operation succeeded. [08:26]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell chatquack I put you in the WOT start blogging already [08:26]
gribble The operation succeeded. [08:26]
nubbins` crystal space is a massive build [08:27]
chetty yeah CS is huge [08:27]
mircea_popescu it's been working out. [08:28]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: I am starting this baseball betting venture with one hundredth of a bitcoin. Remember that I can not help it if appreciation makes the logistics you dislike a reality. [08:28]
Jere_Jones I found building CS to be the easy part. [08:28]
nubbins` BingoBoingo, i'm pretty zen about most things [08:28]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/ [08:28]
ozbot BitBet - BTC/USD at MtGox will be above $150 on Mar 1st 2014 [08:29]
mircea_popescu so that's a lock now. [08:29]
nubbins` Jere_Jones: easy, just takes so long [08:29]
BingoBoingo I wonder if Zhou tong ever itches? [08:29]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: And the weighting is the best part [08:29]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo well it's closed by now anyway [08:29]
BingoBoingo The right answer is obvious, but betting agaisnt it can't pay [08:29]
nubbins` thank fuck for macports, i wouldn't have gotten anywhere with apple's fork of LLVM [08:29]
mircea_popescu nubbins` you ever found the problem or just nonspecific kludge ? [08:30]
nubbins` never nailed it down, was easier to just install gcc-4.6 and use that [08:31]
nubbins` no sense trying to bring a totally different toolchain into the mix [08:31]
mircea_popescu not surprising. [08:31]
mircea_popescu http://www.voxeu.org/article/german-court-decision-legal-authority-and-deep-power-implications [08:32]
ozbot German Court decision: Legal authority and deep power implications | vox [08:32]
mircea_popescu germanz just ruled ecb may not act as lender of last resort. [08:32]
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mircea_popescu "It’s tempting to dismiss the decision as incomprehensible legalese or the inability of justices to understand that contemporary financial systems rely on a powerful lender or dealer of last resort to weather financial crises." [08:35]
mircea_popescu derp. [08:35]
mircea_popescu " this is a bid for power and the return to the pre-crisis paradigm of " [08:35]
mircea_popescu derp. [08:35]
mircea_popescu basically the consensus of idiots in fiat is that somehow magically the laws of nature have been cancelled for the sake of convenience. [08:36]
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BingoBoingo GO GO GADGET BITCOINSACHS [08:42]
chetty idiots think man can overrule nature with their 'laws' [08:42]
KRS1 go go bait [08:42]
KRS1 .bait [08:42]
ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/1dbdf72d9ae5a578dbcf945e2bc4cd94/tumblr_mg2axxCOYL1r3bnmvo1_1280.jpg [08:42]
mircea_popescu "Founder @dailymuse, YC alum, Inc 15 Women to Watch in Tech 2012, Advisor @hackbright, Productivity expert, Parisian, Former McKinsey, avid cyclist" [08:42]
mircea_popescu i wonder what the thought process is when some chick ends up putting on her 2 line resume "i was a X to watch in 2102" [08:43]
mircea_popescu doesn't the observation that "soo... if i had been watching you since 2012 i'd have seen nothing ?" come to them at all ? [08:43]
mircea_popescu are these people actually dumb ? [08:43]
BingoBoingo Depends on which laws and the context [08:43]
mircea_popescu but i mean if you have two alcoholic bums sitting on a garbage dumpster somewhere [08:44]
mircea_popescu one who is nothing [08:44]
BingoBoingo On that last .bait I see tits, but there is also a screaming cyst that needs lanced and dranied [08:44]
mircea_popescu and the other who is an alumni of "15 aluminum salesmen to watch in 2012" [08:44]
mircea_popescu wouldn't you say the 2nd is much worse a failure ? [08:44]
nubbins` heh [08:45]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo where's the cyst ? [08:45]
nubbins` armpit? i think that's not a cyst [08:45]
mircea_popescu that's fat imo [08:45]
BingoBoingo Left armpit, the purple prominence [08:45]
nubbins` certainly not screaming [08:45]
mircea_popescu she's losing weight [08:46]
mircea_popescu its colored cause shaved irritation [08:46]
nubbins` i had a massive cyst on my back once [08:46]
MisterE mircea_popescu: ime most people are dumb until proven otherwise [08:46]
MisterE happens nubbins` thats not a bad lace [08:46]
MisterE place [08:46]
nubbins` when it finally got drained there was like a shot glass full of stuff pulled out of it [08:46]
BingoBoingo Maybe irritation, but definitely inflamed more than the prominence of the humerous calls for [08:46]
MisterE try in your groin or neck [08:46]
MisterE BingoBoingo: what's up I was a paramedic for 3-years [08:47]
MisterE in the US [08:47]
mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem/status/438539797205118976 << BingoBoingo check it out [08:47]
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ozbot Twitter / CharlieShrem: Just created a #dogecoin wallet ... [08:47]
mircea_popescu lots and lots of further opportunities for maturity [08:47]
MisterE nubbins`: that's nothing, when I had to do my prctical training hours I helped to drain a lot of cysts and some produce by the liter [08:48]
BingoBoingo I dun want to fight credentials, but it look's like there are already two candidate sinuses [08:48]
nubbins` gross [08:48]
nubbins` such a smell, too [08:48]
michiel_l midnightmagic mikaeldice MiningBuddy mircea_popescu MisterE mius mixdio_ [08:48]
nubbins` that shit attracts ticks [08:48]
MisterE it was indeed [08:48]
MisterE man you have no idea the smells of the human body [08:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00087874 = 34.183 BTC [-] {4} [08:49]
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MisterE one of the worst run was a girl who accidentally blew half her boyfriend's head off with a .44 at a shooting range, was totally prepared for smell [08:49]
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MisterE those 44s have a very soft pul [08:49]
MisterE l [08:49]
nubbins` speaking of smells of the human body, one of my roommates took a shit this morning and left a streak on the toilet seat [08:49]
MisterE bastard [08:49]
nubbins` i know [08:49]
BingoBoingo 44's always have a soft pull [08:49]
nubbins` told him about it [08:50]
MisterE you should leave a streak on his pillow [08:50]
nubbins` he says "i don't think so... but i'll clean it when i get home from work" [08:50]
MisterE ok thats reasonable [08:50]
nubbins` as if we'd just leave it there for 10 hours [08:50]
mircea_popescu nubbins` how many roomates you got ?! [08:50]
MisterE he doesn't sound like a total jerk [08:50]
nubbins` mircea_popescu, wife and 2 others [08:50]
mircea_popescu wow [08:50]
nubbins` they're rarely home. haven't seen one of them in 3 weeks [08:50]
MisterE lol I like how he incudes the wife [08:50]
mircea_popescu nubbins` so you live with silk road funder ? [08:50]
MisterE as if shecould be out for not paying rent :D [08:51]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: silk road 3.11 for workgroups [08:51]
nubbins` i think that's what it's at now? [08:51]
mircea_popescu something like that ya [08:52]
nubbins` MisterE: hey, she owns all the bitcoins [08:52]
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nubbins` i might be the one out when they hit 5k ;D [08:52]
MisterE hehe [08:53]
MisterE trade up! [08:53]
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BingoBoingo I honestly want to take bets on what would culture out of that cyst [08:53]
nubbins` we'll never know [08:54]
MisterE what a loss to science and society [08:54]
MisterE shame [08:54]
BingoBoingo I'd put some money on pseumonanas [08:55]
mircea_popescu pseudomonas ? [08:56]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It is a long shot, but it fits the armpit environment well as a genus [08:57]
mircea_popescu speaking of which : pseudomonas putida is the first living thing that was "patented" according to the us courts. [08:58]
mircea_popescu lulziest shit ever. [08:58]
MisterE Stupid Harvard MBA is stupid [08:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00087993 = 5.3676 BTC [+] [08:58]
MisterE sorry w/c [08:58]
benkay may the patenteers all find themselves impaled on golden spikes [08:59]
BingoBoingo I was kind of hoping someone would catch that [08:59]
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mircea_popescu this thing is valuable because it can break down pretty much anything [08:59]
mircea_popescu it can live off caffeine. it can break down polystyrene [08:59]
BingoBoingo Much scarier than VRE for sure [08:59]
mircea_popescu generaly pseudomonas sp is a good bet for BingoBoingo's purposes cause they're pretty metabolically diverse. [09:00]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: indeed any culture platter they can own enough to make their genetic markers known. [09:00]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: i'm to see you for a login account? [09:02]
nubbins` http://imgur.com/bGBRONP [09:07]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [09:07]
nubbins` ^ it worked :D [09:07]
bitcoinpete mircea_popescu will do, ty [09:07]
nubbins` it picks up mouse clicks but not keyboard input -- but it's very late and i think i've earned a nap, will poke some more tomorrow [09:08]
BingoBoingo pseudomonas does indeed lead to some nasty opportunistic infections though [09:08]
BingoBoingo Of the sort where painting on Staph Aureus and hoping for the best seems like a sheat from heaven. [09:09]
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bitcoinpete Do any of the -asseters live in Brussels or London by chance? I'm heading to Brussels tomorrow and London by the weekend. Have some free time [09:12]
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BingoBoingo So... Maybe I should have tried for sunday night again on this. Slash mods are swfully flaky. http://slashdot.org/submission/3366357/mtgox-collapse-should-come-as-no-suprise [09:13]
bitcoinpete ;;ident [] [09:13]
gribble Error: "" is not a valid command. [09:13]
bitcoinpete ;;ident bitcoinpete [09:13]
gribble Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is not identified. [09:13]
bitcoinpete for php registration is the "pgp long id" the fingerprint, key id, or something else…? [09:15]
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bitcoinpete pgp* goodness [09:15]
Duffer1 ;;eauth / ;;everify [09:16]
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Duffer1 is that what you're asking? [09:16]
bitcoinpete ya [09:18]
BingoBoingo ;;puppies.txt [09:18]
gribble Error: "puppies.txt" is not a valid command. [09:18]
bitcoinpete ;;register too [09:18]
gribble (register ) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key with . is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes. [09:18]
bitcoinpete oh [09:18]
bitcoinpete ;;register bitcoinpete165749929F9A6BDD [09:19]
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bitcoinpete ;;register bitcoinpete 165749929F9A6BDD [09:19]
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BingoBoingo So.. Guess wht I found out this weekend. [09:20]
Duffer1 what did you find out this weekend BingoBoingo? [09:21]
BingoBoingo Duffer1: During one of my grad school stints I lived in the super mega ghetto http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/local/columbia-firefighter-dies-working-at-scene-of-walkway-collapse/article_fc7f1992-9bca-11e3-9d9e-0017a43b2370.html [09:21]
BingoBoingo I knew my apartment was shitty, but not like kill experts in shitty apartments kind of shitty [09:23]
Duffer1 ya wow [09:23]
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BingoBoingo Kind of makes me regret not taking the plaster off of the walls [09:24]
BingoBoingo Also, I used to like to park in those spots [09:25]
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Duffer1 reading about Counterparty atm [09:26]
BingoBoingo Cool, better not be that shitty faux coin version [09:26]
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Duffer1 the caliber of the assets assimilated blogs is impressive [09:28]
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Duffer1 it would be nice to see it mentioned in #bitcoin-assets Topic [09:29]
BingoBoingo assass is decent blog [09:31]
bit14 what's going on with havelock [09:33]
dexX7 assass? [09:33]
Duffer1 http://assass.headfucking.net/ [09:34]
ozbot Assets Assimilated [09:34]
BingoBoingo bit14: No idea Maybe they are dying too? [09:34]
BingoBoingo I await my ban on bitcointalk https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=431195.msg5379874#msg5379874 [09:35]
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dexX7 ty [09:36]
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mircea_popescu 5th a cxharm huh [09:39]
mircea_popescu yeah assass in topic can't hurt anything. [09:40]
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BingoBoingo I still reload slashdot compulsively for the money [09:44]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/#comment-98222 [09:46]
ozbot People have made blogs pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [09:46]
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BingoBoingo I still have trouble believing I lived in the shithole next to this http://www.kshb.com/news/state/missouri/mizzou-investigating-cause-of-roof-walkway-collapse-at-apartment-building [09:47]
mircea_popescu the sex any good at least ? [09:48]
BingoBoingo The sex was great [09:48]
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BingoBoingo i TA's for pharmacy school so undergrads were in bounds, other grad students were inbounds. [09:49]
BingoBoingo Just couldn't do the pharm students. [09:49]
mircea_popescu well that's why people live in shitholes. [09:50]
mircea_popescu the sex is great. [09:50]
BingoBoingo Which is kind of a shame cause this Jessie chick had great tits [09:50]
BingoBoingo OH, it was such a shithole, but not being from missouti made the sex so easy [09:50]
mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8w0x8uPW11ru15g3o1_1280.jpg [09:53]
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mircea_popescu wd. [09:54]
BingoBoingo If that were a pharm student not quite one I'd get fired over, but still one I'd offer salt to to melt their ice [09:54]
mircea_popescu bit14 what do you mean ? [09:55]
bitcoinpete ty. only took 30 min lol [09:55]
bit14 mircea_popescu: doar ca e picat https://www.havelockinvestments.com/ :) [09:56]
BingoBoingo bit14: Gospidine? [09:58]
bit14 ->just that it's down [09:58]
mircea_popescu http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2014/02/25/mt-gox-ceo-says-on-internet-chat-hasnt-given-up/ [10:00]
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mircea_popescu you know, just like every scammer to date. [10:00]
mircea_popescu bit14 lol se mai intimpla gen [10:00]
bit14 have you seen the log [10:00]
bit14 http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/179038-my-conversation-mark-karpeles-mtgox-2.html#post2164682 [10:00]
ozbot My Conversation with Mark Karpeles of MtGox - Page 2 - WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum - Int [10:00]
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mircea_popescu soo nubs got eulora to compile on a mac. [10:01]
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bitcoinpete off to brussels in the morning. cheers for now [10:03]
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mircea_popescu i thought moiety was in london [10:09]
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* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [16:31]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading [16:31]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Nov 27 22:34:53 2013 [16:31]
mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/PHgbXXc.gif [16:31]
Bugpowder SFW? [16:32]
mircea_popescu ya [16:32]
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mircea_popescu powered off kitten [16:32]
Bugpowder lol [16:32]
Bugpowder pretty SFW [16:32]
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mircea_popescu since when do you work anyway [16:33]
Bugpowder All the fucking time [16:33]
mircea_popescu well no i don't mean work in the sense of doing something useful [16:34]
mircea_popescu i mean work in the sense of being in a constrained space with a bunch of idiots where you gotta watch what's on your screen [16:35]
mircea_popescu ie, the exactly opposite of doing something useful. [16:35]
chetty http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/25/first-contagious-wifi-computer-virus-goes-airborne-spreads-like-the-common-cold/ [16:36]
ozbot First contagious WiFi computer virus goes airborne | The Daily Caller [16:36]
mircea_popescu uh why'd a virus be specifically wifi [16:37]
Bugpowder I thought there was that virus that spreads via the speaker (or was that BS). [16:37]
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cazalla the one that could jump airgapped systems? [16:38]
cazalla that was bs [16:38]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder that was bs. [16:38]
mircea_popescu darn beat to it [16:38]
Bugpowder It made no cents. [16:39]
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Bugpowder I am really impressed with the level of optimism people are expressing towards Gox reopening. IMPRESSED. I hear there are 3 suitors vying for the right to purchase Mt. Gox's brand and 650,000 BTC debt. [16:40]
mircea_popescu yaya [16:41]
mircea_popescu take it as a measure of just how badly hurt the foundation scamnest is by this defeat in the field [16:41]
mircea_popescu rather than any direct statement of the future. [16:41]
Bugpowder HOPE [16:41]
mircea_popescu no, it's not hope, it's disbelief. [16:42]
mircea_popescu they rheally thought they're somebody worth something. [16:42]
Bugpowder Someone needs to shop a Karp / HOPE poster [16:42]
mircea_popescu and i guess still do. [16:42]
mircea_popescu more apt would be a vessenes hope poster really. [16:42]
mircea_popescu hopefully his head is next. now that's hope. [16:43]
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cazalla you know why i hate vessenes [16:43]
mircea_popescu i didn't know you did. [16:43]
cazalla well i do but for different reasons that you [16:43]
Bugpowder CoinLab was more mismanaged than Gox, they just died earlier so they couldn't cause as big a monetary fuckup. [16:44]
cazalla on a panel, he ruined it because he had the microphone practically in his mouth and you couldn't hear the other panelists due to his heavy breathing [16:44]
mircea_popescu i don't actually hate the guy, i just dislike him because he's very inept strategically and we kinda need to purge the stupid. [16:44]
nubbins` vessenes "NOPE" poster [16:45]
nubbins` the kitten got turned off ;( [16:45]
mircea_popescu or maybe it's time for a HERP poster [16:45]
nubbins` heh [16:46]
nubbins` i like that [16:46]
mircea_popescu can i has link to your clown thing again ? [16:46]
mircea_popescu ima order the MP css dept make me one. [16:46]
nubbins` ah, refresh my memory [16:46]
cazalla anyone that abset minded on microphone etiquette sends me into a rage [16:46]
cazalla absent [16:46]
mircea_popescu didn't you do a vessenes clown thing ? [16:46]
nubbins` oh, right, i think that was tat [16:46]
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mircea_popescu cazalla this is kind of sad, incidentally, because it's roughly like a stripper with bad genital hygiene [16:47]
nubbins` 2, maybe 3 days ago? [16:47]
cazalla sad for me or him [16:47]
mircea_popescu all the guy ever does is derp about in the conference freakshow, you'd expect he has at least the basics of that profession down pat. [16:47]
mircea_popescu cazalla for him. [16:47]
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mircea_popescu imagine a truck driver that can't drive double clutch. [16:48]
cazalla i sent him an email but he didn't respond [16:48]
nubbins` i had a professor once who could only speak in a whisper and so brought a mic to class and amplified it so heavily you could hear him swallow his spit [16:48]
mircea_popescu sort-of like a vessenes that can't handle a mic [16:48]
nubbins` he would freeze if anyone made a sound (like opening a bookbag, etc) [16:48]
nubbins` mid-syllable sometimes [16:48]
mircea_popescu at the one uni where i sort-of flirted with academia, this was banned on campus. [16:49]
mircea_popescu the rector guy was like "if you can't speak you can't be a university professor." [16:49]
nubbins` heh [16:49]
nubbins` it's true [16:49]
mircea_popescu i know it is. [16:49]
mircea_popescu i always respected that guy. occasionally obnoxious but he had what you'd need from a rector : fucking rectitude. [16:49]
nubbins` one day (this was a logic course), the poor guy (ancient chinese man) was dreaming up an example for some logical fallacy [16:50]
nubbins` "statement one: all cats have four legs" [16:50]
nubbins` "statement two: some cats dig my music" [16:50]
nubbins` i had to leave the room D; [16:50]
mircea_popescu ergo, women walk on their tits. [16:50]
mircea_popescu nubbins` btw, you know the "great generals" machine learning fiasco ? [16:51]
nubbins` doesn't ring a bell [16:51]
mircea_popescu this is probably apocriphal as such, but it is reflective of various actual events. normally it's retold as [16:52]
mircea_popescu "at mit, they made this self-learning machine which would try to make deductions sylogistically on a dictionary of natural language constructs [16:52]
mircea_popescu they let it run overnight, among the conclusions it had arrived to by morning was "napoleon had an infinite number of arms" [16:52]
mircea_popescu the thought process being, napoleon was a great general, great generals are forewarned, being forewarned is like having an extra pair of arms, [16:53]
nubbins` well, he did! [16:53]
nubbins` why do you think he was so short! [16:53]
mircea_popescu four is an odd number of arms for a man to have, the only both odd and even number is infinity [16:53]
nubbins` HAH [16:53]
nubbins` that's actually rich [16:53]
nubbins` "being forewarned is being forearmed" [16:54]
mircea_popescu kinda why it stuck. [16:54]
mircea_popescu anyway, machine-proofed khali. [16:54]
nubbins` "In the chat, Karpeles says the leaked document was not produced by Mt. Gox, but he admits that there is some truth to it." [16:58]
nubbins` well no shit [16:58]
mircea_popescu derp. [16:58]
nubbins` mildly surprised anyone believed that was a legit doc [16:58]
mircea_popescu soooo... who was it produced by ? [16:58]
nubbins` that two-bit idiot guy [16:58]
nubbins` selkis? [16:58]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder https://twitter.com/DougKass/status/438673419845271552 :p [16:59]
nubbins` wanted to make a name for himself, and it worked. associated press splashed his name across the globe [16:59]
mircea_popescu guy got burned prett well. [16:59]
nubbins` just so happens that he faked the doc at a time when everybody was ready to accept a poor fake as legit [17:00]
mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhZi4sUCUAA0q4B.jpg:large << check out this us foreign policy success. [17:01]
cazalla nubbins` are you sure it's fake, shrem suggested it might have been karpeles partner who drafted it due to poor english [17:02]
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nubbins` i'm not sure, but i mean, did you read it? [17:04]
nubbins` who's going to draft an internal memo that flatly states "we don't deserve to run a business"? [17:04]
cazalla yes but shrem and levine from LTB confirmed they knew some of what is in the pdf is factual prior to it being leaked [17:04]
mircea_popescu nubbins` anyone sane working at mtgox [17:05]
mircea_popescu or a bunch of other bitcoin "businesses" ? [17:05]
nubbins` sure, so why did this selkis guy decide to redact page 8? [17:05]
mircea_popescu nubbins` possibly because it had passwords on it ? [17:05]
nubbins` why would you redact a bunch of numbers on a document about a failing exchange -- a document that you're releasing [17:05]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: the redactions were black highlights. you could copypasta them. [17:05]
mircea_popescu not proposing any of the foregoing as factual or anything, merely exploring teh theory of it. [17:05]
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nubbins` black highlights added to the pdf by selkis himself [17:06]
mircea_popescu nubbins` point in case as to the "we don't deserve to run a business" thing [17:06]
mircea_popescu "we can't even use office equipment properly" [17:06]
nubbins` nonono [17:06]
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cazalla maybe he was asked to redact it by whoever gave it to him to leak because if it was given to potential investors, they might not want the financials out there [17:06]
nubbins` selkis is the "blogger" who "leaked" the document. [17:06]
nubbins` he doesn't work for gox [17:06]
mircea_popescu nubbins` i am aware. [17:06]
nubbins` oh, wait, i see what you're saying [17:06]
mircea_popescu how do you know he added them ? [17:06]
nubbins` because it says so in the file [17:07]
nubbins` one sec [17:07]
mircea_popescu o lol [17:07]
mircea_popescu bwahaha [17:07]
mircea_popescu so this guy is going to be forever remembered as the pdf highlights tard ? [17:07]
mircea_popescu good way to become famous lmao [17:07]
nubbins` http://imgur.com/a/ZyBZ5 [17:07]
ozbot Ryan Selkis is full of shit - Imgur [17:07]
nubbins` see first image [17:08]
nubbins` the pdf software he did the fake redactions in put his fucking name on them [17:08]
nubbins` lel x 9000 [17:08]
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nubbins` of course none of the news articles mentioning selkis talk about this [17:09]
mircea_popescu fucking hell i can read the original THROUGH the blackl [17:09]
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cazalla if it was fake, who gave him the legit information to mix with his bs? [17:09]
nubbins` what do you mean, gave? the numbers don't even add up [17:09]
mircea_popescu "mt gox business is healthy and profitable [17:09]
cazalla the re-branding etc, shrem confirmed he knew of this weeks ago [17:09]
mircea_popescu is this intentional ? [17:09]
nubbins` mircea_popescu that's why the whole thing is so curious [17:10]
nubbins` none of it makes sense [17:10]
mircea_popescu pity something awful got all butthurt and humiliated and discontinued buttcoin [17:10]
nubbins` some anon blogger "is sent" a doc, black-highlights a bunch of gibberish math, makes a reddit post [17:10]
mircea_popescu it was a pretty decent service coupla years ago. [17:10]
nubbins` next thing ya know gox decides "well, now's as good a time as any" [17:10]
mircea_popescu he even twitted with me, sec lemme find it [17:11]
cazalla but parts of the document are factual nubbins` [17:11]
nubbins` parts of the bible are factual. [17:11]
mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/438181014784204800 a no, he's the "o noes shrem guy" [17:11]
ozbot Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: "And thought he knew better." ... [17:11]
mircea_popescu i hope shrem hit him over the head because had he stfu i'd have not said anything either. [17:11]
mircea_popescu i wonder generally how many people realise that stupendously stupid "pr" actually has a marked negative cost [17:12]
nubbins` curious to see what 2-bit idiot has to say about his redactions [17:12]
mircea_popescu like say the misadventures of those pretend-gambling guys mpoe-pr laid into a week ago [17:12]
mircea_popescu what the fuck were they called again, [17:12]
cazalla casino bitcoin [17:12]
mircea_popescu a yes that. [17:12]
nubbins` CBTC! [17:12]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=465334.0 there we go yeah [17:14]
mircea_popescu it was casino bitcoin [17:14]
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ozbot Calling out CasinoBitco.in [17:17]
cazalla they added all their privately held shares to havelock the other week [17:17]
cazalla didn't mention it though until people pointed it out asking wtf [17:18]
mircea_popescu well obviously all the nonsense barrage was destined to help them fuck some more noobs over. [17:18]
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mircea_popescu haha pretty epic ownage this. allow me to spam irc : [17:20]
mircea_popescu @SpiegelPeter · 2h "Kremlin's jealous & intolerant eye can distinguish only vassals & enemies; neighbors, if they dont wish 2 be one, must be the other”-Kennan [17:20]
mircea_popescu @Mircea_Popescu This is pretty well equally true of the US. The EU is one of the few sane players and the US press is slamming them for it [17:20]
mircea_popescu @SpiegelPeter I don't recall US ever sending tanks into Canada. Does chasing Pancho Villa = Hungary 1956, Prague 1968, Afghanistan 1979? [17:21]
mircea_popescu @Mircea_Popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhZi4sUCUAA0q4B.jpg:large … how's that look to you ? [17:21]
nubbins` he doesn't recall the usa and canada being at war? [17:21]
nubbins` i uh [17:21]
mircea_popescu @SpiegelPeter Is Syria a neighbour of the US? You may want to re-read original Kennan quote. [17:21]
mircea_popescu @Mircea_Popescu Yes, it borders on the US province of Iraq. You may wish to drop the weasel act, we're adults, we can see through bs. [17:21]
mircea_popescu and now he's going to be upset because i called him a weasel [17:21]
mircea_popescu CLEARLY he doesn't have to respond to such evil. [17:22]
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mircea_popescu like you know, having your idiocy made a point of public mockery in the forum is immediate license to disengage and pretent like you were slighted [17:22]
mircea_popescu it's almost as if they're all women or something. [17:22]
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Duffer1 "Kremlin's jealous & intolerant eye can distinguish only vassals & enemies; neighbors, if they dont wish 2 be one, must be the other”-Kennan [17:26]
Duffer1 mircea_popescu @Mircea_Popescu This is pretty well equally true of the US. >>> Cuba is a great example to offer [17:26]
Duffer1 at least, closer to physical home than iraq [17:26]
mircea_popescu no because the standard magically is "the us never sent tanks there" [17:26]
Duffer1 lol [17:26]
mircea_popescu notwithstanding that russia didn't send any tanks in the ukraine, either [17:26]
mircea_popescu but you know, opinions. [17:27]
mircea_popescu why not have a strongly held one ? [17:27]
Duffer1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion [17:27]
ozbot Bay of Pigs Invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [17:27]
Duffer1 dunno if they had tanks.. [17:28]
cazalla CIA eh [17:28]
cazalla I'm reading this ATM - http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Politics-Heroin-Complicity-Afghanistan/dp/1556524838 [17:29]
cazalla lead to that after reading the CIA rumoured to have run a bank here in Australia [17:29]
cazalla http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nugan_Hand_Bank [17:29]
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mircea_popescu o, you mean to compete with HSBC ? [17:30]
mircea_popescu in the very lucrative heroin trade ? [17:30]
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cazalla it's pretty speculative [17:30]
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cazalla at least in the aus bank case [17:30]
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Duffer1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion#Invasion_day_.2817_April.29 now with tanks [17:31]
ozbot Bay of Pigs Invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [17:31]
mircea_popescu that doesn't count. [17:32]
Duffer1 k :( [17:32]
mircea_popescu because random US agent of influence in Brussels slash fuckwit says so. [17:32]
cazalla heh Invasion day, that's what they call Australia Day although I prefer to call it Conquerors Day [17:32]
mircea_popescu because this is how the internet works now. [17:32]
Duffer1 ha [17:32]
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Duffer1 i wish you were wrong [17:33]
nubbins` i'll be close to brussels this summer [17:33]
cazalla going to bed, give me something good to read with morning coffee :) [17:33]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2014#528354 << may be worth a mention that russian troop movements was discussed here way before it became public :D [17:34]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [17:34]
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Duffer1 i don't see why they would do that unless they're planning an invasion or reinstallation of Yanuk [17:36]
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* Duffer1 will try to remember to read linked article first next time [17:38]
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mircea_popescu why, cause without crimeea they're fucked up the ass [17:50]
mircea_popescu russia is very badly landlocked, they can't survive without ports. [17:50]
mircea_popescu even crimeea is barely a fucking toehold. [17:51]
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nubbins` and vladivostok is a LONG train ride from moscow & st petersburg [17:52]
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mircea_popescu very. [17:52]
nubbins` almost the longest [17:54]
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asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2014/02/schneier-yesterday.htm [18:00]
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pankkake https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/ [18:01]
ozbot How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations - The Inte [18:01]
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nubbins` heh [18:02]
pankkake the schneier proposal was so… tame. almost sounded like politicians creating commissions to solve problems [18:02]
pankkake "This is a radical solution" lol [18:02]
nubbins` is that an article about people leaving "-10 scammer faggot" ratings on -otc? ;D [18:02]
pankkake I hope government agents have more talent [18:03]
mircea_popescu pankkake nah, it's about derpage like quoted above. [18:03]
mircea_popescu on twitter. [18:03]
mircea_popescu that guy's job is basically "derp at russia". [18:03]
mircea_popescu which w/e, it's a living. [18:03]
nubbins` twist: GCHQ stole pdf from gox and leaked it via their agent selkis [18:03]
mircea_popescu it's kind-of becoming a fun sport these days tho, find agents twist their arms. [18:03]
mircea_popescu kinda sitting ducks because they're slaves to their talking points [18:04]
mircea_popescu and really as entry level bureaucrats... how smart can they be ? [18:04]
ThickAsThieves hey mp: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yzp5k/im_a_journalist_i_want_to_be_able_to_write_about/ [18:04]
nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/C5ZyuVj.jpg [18:05]
nubbins` LEL [18:05]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves link him to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2014#526451 [18:11]
pankkake https://counterparty.co/faqs/why-must-dividends-bets-and-betting-fees-be-paid-in-xcp/ lol [18:13]
ozbot Frequently Asked Questions | Counterparty | Crypto-Financial Market [18:13]
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mircea_popescu what is xcp [18:15]
ThickAsThieves lol [18:15]
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Duffer1 never heard about it until i was catching up on my daily actm drama this morning [18:15]
ThickAsThieves counterparty is one of those things like mastercoin right [18:15]
ThickAsThieves burn your coins into meta system [18:15]
ThickAsThieves cry later [18:15]
pankkake yes [18:16]
Duffer1 pretty ui though >.< [18:16]
ThickAsThieves "Having only one currency that can be used for betting makes bet-matching simpler and easier (and more likely). The currency for making bets cannot be BTC, because the Counterparty protocol cannot debit BTC from a user’s address." [18:16]
ThickAsThieves sounds like something i'd write for Altcoin [18:16]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 i for some reason read actm as "rectum" [18:16]
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mircea_popescu my brain is telling me things. [18:16]
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pankkake I wonder if the UI is just a photoshop thing for now [18:16]
Duffer1 synesthesia read actm, smell poop [18:16]
mircea_popescu http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/26/scientists-discover-a-new-state-of-matter-in-the-last-place-youd-ever-think-to-look/ [18:17]
ozbot Scientists Discover a New State of Matter in the Last Place You’d Ever Think to Look | TheBlaze.co [18:17]
mircea_popescu speaking of all that. [18:17]
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ThickAsThieves so will chickens eventually have crystallized eyes? [18:20]
ThickAsThieves breed more chikuns! [18:20]
BingoBoingo Oh, look what happened when I was passed out http://slashdot.org/story/14/02/26/1539250/mt-gox-shuts-down-collapse-should-come-as-no-surprise [18:21]
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ThickAsThieves cuz after crystal eyes, comes laser chikuns, right? [18:21]
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ThickAsThieves gj bingo [18:22]
Bugpowder mircea_popescu: DOUBLE DOWN! [18:22]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder lolwut? o tsla you mean ? [18:22]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo cool beanz. [18:22]
BingoBoingo Well, I guess years of reading them taught me their copywriting style [18:23]
mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/438708150469132288 <<< lettuce bother them. [18:23]
ozbot Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @SpiegelPeter I get it, you ... [18:23]
Bugpowder yah [18:24]
Bugpowder Nice to see you getting back into twitter. [18:24]
Bugpowder And getting some responses! [18:24]
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mircea_popescu they fixed the site. [18:28]
mircea_popescu i abandoned it cca 2012 cause they made it js-unusable. [18:28]
ThickAsThieves yeah, at least spiegal engaged [18:29]
ThickAsThieves spygull [18:29]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you missed the huge argument with anil dash coupla days ago ? [18:29]
ThickAsThieves possibly [18:29]
mircea_popescu guy ended up asking me about what music i like and so forth. [18:29]
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mircea_popescu cause you know, that's how you make friends. [18:29]
ThickAsThieves hehe [18:29]
nubbins` i'm only here because you guys all like Talking Heads [18:30]
ThickAsThieves get Keiser to engage, that's a real challenge [18:30]
mircea_popescu if only mr Y asked the demonstrator ppl what music they liked.... [18:30]
Bugpowder Why would one want to engage with Keiser? [18:30]
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Bugpowder Wouldn't want to bring down my influence. [18:30]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves he used to back before i ended up wearing his asshole as a windshield decoration [18:30]
mircea_popescu (this was back in the ra ra ra days of to the moon when btc first broke 100) [18:31]
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BingoBoingo So, less than 10% of slashdot users are using the new layout [18:37]
mircea_popescu i don't even remember a case where some popular site "improved" [18:37]
mircea_popescu or "new layouted" [18:37]
mircea_popescu and the userbase liked it. [18:37]
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mircea_popescu i have no idea why people continue doing it. must be a mental disorder on the management side. [18:37]
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BingoBoingo Prolly [18:40]
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BingoBoingo n00bs gonna n00b http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4836423&cid=46346507 [18:51]
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ThickAsThieves i have no idea why people continue doing it. must be a mental disorder on the management side. /// marketeers are persuasive, it's their job [18:52]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: "You know you've done things right, when people aren't sure you've done anything at all." [18:52]
mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/438718213665611776 [18:52]
mircea_popescu the derpage coming out of that thing is almost like bitcoin magazine runs it. [18:52]
ThickAsThieves what did they rip? [18:54]
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ozbot Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: If you're going to rip -assets ... [18:54]
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mircea_popescu link is there, "o derp, bitcoin is the greatest asset class in the histopry of business" [18:55]
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mircea_popescu except, not because it went up 50ish x in 2013. [18:55]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Everything, it is the coindesk way [18:55]
mircea_popescu the argument is strong and well made, but not by them and not by their fucktarded infographic or w/e that thing is [18:55]
ThickAsThieves slide 12 seems familiar [18:55]
BingoBoingo At this rate COindesk is headed into a Max Kaiser like niche becoming a noob ghetto [18:56]
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mircea_popescu see the jan 31st discussion with herbi, it's linked in the tweet. [18:56]
Duffer1 max seems to have become the thing he hates [18:56]
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BingoBoingo Duffer1: Max doesn't have the dignity for that [18:57]
Duffer1 Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 2h [18:57]
Duffer1 I plan to give @RealAlexJones some free #maxcoin next week. No need to bother with Bitcoin, #maxcoin is better. Currency of the Resistance. [18:57]
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TomServo pathetic. [18:58]
Duffer1 ya that kinda stuff gets under my skin pretty quick [18:58]
ThickAsThieves ya [18:58]
BingoBoingo Also 737 people reffered by Slashdot in the first hour as the last of four links in the story. [18:59]
ThickAsThieves maxoin is better bro! [18:59]
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ThickAsThieves did Max lose all his BTC on gox or something? [18:59]
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BingoBoingo If only the latest trilema piece had come out an hour earlier [19:00]
ThickAsThieves it's odd to me that the bitcoin world ignored bitcoin stocks and stock exchanges so much [19:01]
ThickAsThieves like zero mention in the coindesk report [19:02]
mircea_popescu TomServo kinda lulzy cause it went pretty much like an old guy's erection, that forced coin. [19:02]
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ThickAsThieves never mentioned in bitcoin hearings or such [19:02]
ThickAsThieves never mentioned by core devs [19:02]
ThickAsThieves etc [19:02]
mircea_popescu why would they ? [19:02]
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ThickAsThieves to be comprehensive? [19:02]
Duffer1 seems like a situation where they'd just rather forget [19:02]
BingoBoingo Stocks and exchanges aren't for the herd [19:02]
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mircea_popescu i really don't want this viewpoint promoted whereby bitcoin finance is this point of interest for the general public. [19:03]
mircea_popescu it isn't. [19:03]
mircea_popescu i mean they can end up believing it is, like they end up believing any other nonsense they believe [19:03]
mircea_popescu but it's really just setting up everyone to get hurt. [19:04]
ThickAsThieves they even have a whole VC section [19:04]
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ThickAsThieves well i dont mean to imply i wish it promoted [19:04]
ThickAsThieves so much that it being absent is odd [19:04]
mircea_popescu last thing you need you know, is thebitcoinwife being knowledgeable about stocks. [19:04]
mircea_popescu i guess it is a little odd. [19:04]
ThickAsThieves it also makes their numbers wrong [19:05]
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BingoBoingo Could their numbers have ever been right? [19:05]
ThickAsThieves "38% of all VC investment is in payment processors" [19:05]
mircea_popescu that is unfortunate, yea. [19:05]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves well... it is. of the 1-2% of bitcoin marketshare that us vcs get [19:05]
mircea_popescu 38% is in dead in the water pps [19:05]
mircea_popescu rest of 62% is in other dead in the water nonventures. [19:06]
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mircea_popescu the controlling point here, i guess, would be the observation of Kennedy sr that fuck it, when shoeshine boys discuss stocks it's time to get out. [19:07]
mircea_popescu the day you're in the same boat with the sorts of people "investing" in groupon it's prolly time to move on. [19:08]
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mike_c shoeshine boys won't have mpex accounts anytime soon. [19:09]
mike_c although i guess they could have coinbr accounts [19:09]
ThickAsThieves curse jurov! [19:09]
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jurov i;m still waiting for someone who'll license coinbr code (for worthy price, ofc) [19:10]
jurov and start offering free mpex trading for masses [19:10]
mircea_popescu mike_c anyway, stuff like publishing the correct numbers is useful and welcome. [19:10]
jurov somehow no one is up to it [19:11]
mircea_popescu the idea isn't to keep anything a secret, god forbid, but basically i think we should be informed by the correct interraction with children in a family. [19:11]
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mircea_popescu you don't make a big secret out of the power sockets, or the power tools in the garage [19:11]
mircea_popescu you just go about your business without making a big deal of them and let the kids grow up with all their limbs [19:11]
mircea_popescu i think that's overall the best policy. [19:12]
mike_c and maybe even buy those little plastice outlet covers to make sure they survive :) [19:12]
mircea_popescu maybe. tho... [19:12]
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mircea_popescu that's the debatable point, but anyway. some slack for everyone to cut closer or further by his taste. [19:12]
mircea_popescu but as a general principle actual finance does not belong in the mouth of pundits any more than science belongs in the mouths of politicos. [19:12]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo see, hour late or not, it made the paper http://paper.li/ionescupopescu [19:13]
mike_c looking at slides like coindesk's makes me mad for some reason. those stupid charts with "here's why btc went up" and "here's why it went down". they should post that on bitcointalk and be done with it. [19:13]
mircea_popescu it really is just glorified bitcointalk stuff. [19:14]
BingoBoingo Cool [19:14]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00595201 = 0.2381 BTC [-] [19:19]
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mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z010y/open_letter_to_michael_casey_wsj_reporter_who/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter [19:21]
ozbot Open Letter to Michael Casey - WSJ reporter who butchered my comments in today's Bitcoin cover story [19:21]
mircea_popescu the disadvantages of being erik [19:22]
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ThickAsThieves nice [19:23]
BingoBoingo Well, when you want to be everyone's friend you forget if you actually have friends or not. [19:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00594726 = 0.2617 BTC [-] {2} [19:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 17 @ 0.00599 = 0.1018 BTC [+] [19:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 616 @ 0.00582265 = 3.5868 BTC [-] {10} [19:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 189 @ 0.0058 = 1.0962 BTC [-] {2} [19:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] [19:28]
ThickAsThieves "with friends like this, whi the fuck needs cointelpro" [19:28]
ThickAsThieves who* [19:28]
mircea_popescu lol srsly. [19:30]
thestringpuller payment processors have too much overhead due to regulation...you pay so many fees just cutting through red tape [19:31]
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thestringpuller PCI compliance is a joke, yet it accounts for good chunk of the expense budget...that gets passed onto the customer. thus we have bitcoin. So what happens in 20 years big government regulates BTC and you need 10 licenses just to touch it in Country XYZ? [19:32]
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mircea_popescu eh let teh vcs have fun [19:32]
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ThickAsThieves pci compliance is most definitely a joke [19:34]
TomServo No doubt. It worked wonders for Target, didn't it! [19:35]
thestringpuller lol operate a bitcoin exchange from a space station. no government there... [19:36]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: elevator for bags of fiat? [19:36]
Duffer1 mining farm in space, free cooling [19:36]
asciilifeform Duffer1: cooling in space is a bitch [19:37]
asciilifeform (radiative only, if this is somehow non-obvious) [19:37]
Duffer1 no i know :P [19:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35611 @ 0.00088327 = 31.4541 BTC [-] {2} [19:38]
Duffer1 can a level of bureaucracy exist sufficient to regulate Bitcoin? [19:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1989 @ 0.00088021 = 1.7507 BTC [-] [19:39]
diametric I think the problem is people use the word regulate like its some specific thing. [19:39]
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mircea_popescu Duffer1: cooling in space is a bitch << this somehow never is directly obvious [19:40]
asciilifeform phun phact - in soviet prison camps, notes ('scribbles', roughly translated from the argot) went around freely from one end of the archipelago to another. (how? bribe a guard) [19:40]
mircea_popescu but one of the biggest problems for any energetically intensive application outside of earth is like... how the fuck you cool it. [19:40]
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mircea_popescu you'll end up with larger heat exchangers than solar panels [19:41]
asciilifeform so something resembling bitcoin (well, more like Hawala) could have worked even there. [19:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "there is no prison that may hold the literate" [19:41]
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mircea_popescu diametric but it is a specific thing. it means "fucking" :D [19:42]
asciilifeform and i'm sure virtually everyone is familiar with the use of morse code by prisoners, historically. [19:42]
ThickAsThieves in case anyone is bored and wants to troll Wired: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yzz24/im_a_reporter_with_wired_if_you_worked_at_gox_and/ [19:42]
asciilifeform re: heat sinks: this is how the americans spotted the radiothermally-powered (Pu core) soviet satellites - enormous fins. [19:42]
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mircea_popescu "Tough Women followed you" [19:42]
mircea_popescu fucking story of my life. [19:42]
asciilifeform that and, well, absence of solar panels. [19:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform indeed [19:43]
mircea_popescu "hey those don't really look like solar panels ?!" [19:43]
asciilifeform rtg can be built to happily run for centuries. [19:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33499 @ 0.00087986 = 29.4744 BTC [-] {2} [19:44]
nubbins` http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/25/man-shoots-himself_n_4853983.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular [19:45]
ozbot Man Accidentally Kills Self With Gun During Demonstration On Gun Safety [19:45]
nubbins` "The 36-year-old man ... was attempting to demonstrate the safety of the handguns by holding them to his head and pulling the trigger." [19:45]
nubbins` because that's how you demonstrate that [19:45]
nubbins` for my next trick, i will demonstrate the safety of this prop knife by falling on it from my balcony. [19:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00597499 = 0.1972 BTC [+] [19:45]
asciilifeform tldr, insurance fraud. [19:46]
Duffer1 have you seen the one with the black cop shoots himself in a classroom during a safety demo? [19:46]
Duffer1 i'll try to find it [19:46]
nubbins` what does black have to do with it? [19:46]
mircea_popescu i was thinking that [19:46]
Duffer1 an adjective to help describe the specific video i'm thinking of [19:46]
TomServo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0 [19:46]
ozbot Cop Shoots himself in the leg - YouTube [19:46]
Duffer1 tom wins [19:47]
mircea_popescu wait there's A LOT of vids of cops shooting themselves in schools ? [19:47]
nubbins` ^ [19:47]
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diametric thats a classic [19:47]
diametric Have to hand it to him, he just rolls with it [19:47]
mircea_popescu Paco de Lucia has died [19:48]
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mircea_popescu diametric perhaps not his first time ? [19:48]
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* asciilifeform had a dream last night that he found the coveted n-sat shortcutter for sha-256. the number '14' was a magic constant, somehow. [19:49]
nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/infested-bedbug-rentals-unacceptable-tom-osborne-says-1.2551860 [19:49]
ozbot Infested bedbug rentals unacceptable, Tom Osborne says - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News [19:50]
nubbins` ugh [19:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.005975 = 0.3645 BTC [+] {2} [19:50]
nubbins` this is my nightmare [19:50]
nubbins` well. one of them [19:50]
nubbins` curious to see what changes they'll try to make to the residential tenancies act [19:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.005975 = 0.2151 BTC [+] [19:51]
asciilifeform nubbins`: this is my nightmare << bedbugs? [19:51]
nubbins` nod [19:51]
nubbins` my house is attached on both sides [19:51]
asciilifeform or sha shortcut [19:51]
nubbins` hard skids living on both sides too [19:51]
nubbins` sha shortcut isn't into nightmare territory yet [19:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 114 @ 0.00597499 = 0.6811 BTC [-] [19:52]
asciilifeform what's a hardskid? [19:52]
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benkay ;;ud skid [19:52]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=skid | The term "skid" is in part derived from "skid row", which is both a band enjoyed by those the term refers to, as well as their address. See also white trash and ... [19:52]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: skid [19:52]
asciilifeform aha [19:52]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00595 = 0.1488 BTC [-] [19:53]
nubbins` technically we call them "skeets" here [19:53]
nubbins` but i think skids is a more widely known term [19:53]
pankkake a hard skid is used to store data, but does not work well, and sometimes reverses bits [19:53]
mircea_popescu nubbins` tbh large parts of the us are having a SERIOUS infestation problem these days. [19:54]
nubbins` ah, haha: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeet_(Newfoundland) [19:54]
nubbins` mircea_popescu they found bedbugs in provincial court here last year [19:54]
mircea_popescu i can't grok wtf is causing it, because i never heard of a civilised country with begbugs before san francisco came along [19:54]
thestringpuller poor white people are worse than niggas these days [19:54]
benkay no no thestringpuller those are "niggers" in this channel [19:55]
benkay nigga a different thing [19:55]
nubbins` lel, the article starts with "In Newfoundland English..." [19:55]
asciilifeform little parasites were constant companions of people, historically. [19:55]
asciilifeform perhaps our little break is simply over. [19:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah up until 1950 or so [19:55]
thestringpuller also poor hippies are the emperors of infestation [19:55]
thestringpuller worse than serfs [19:55]
thestringpuller and they complain.... [19:55]
ThickAsThieves lol, asshole https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5389341#msg5389341 [19:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00595 = 0.238 BTC [-] [19:56]
nubbins` http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_English#Newfoundland_English_expressions [19:56]
nubbins` lel [19:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2925 @ 0.00087859 = 2.5699 BTC [-] [19:57]
mircea_popescu "Where ya at?" [19:57]
mircea_popescu srsly, this is what yo upeople invented ? [19:57]
nubbins` no, we invented the gas mask [19:57]
mircea_popescu brb going to name some dogs after you [19:57]
nubbins` i think there's a wikipedia article about that somewhere too [19:57]
nubbins` "where are ye to?" is much more common [19:57]
mircea_popescu Get on the go, Let's go (also, a common euphemism for partying, on the go by itself can also refer to a relationship - similar to a dating stage, but more hazy.) [19:57]
nubbins` ye being, of course, the plural of you [19:57]
mircea_popescu whoever the fuck wrote that wiki entry was pretty well gone. [19:57]
nubbins` nod [19:58]
nubbins` most of it is shit [19:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00595 = 0.2975 BTC [-] [19:58]
nubbins` hits the mark a few times [19:58]
mircea_popescu He[she/dey] just took off [19:58]
nubbins` i.e. "right" as a synonym for "Very" [19:58]
nubbins` "she's right crooked" == "she is in a very bad mood" [19:58]
mircea_popescu nubbins` like "the right honorable dorky mcdorkenstock" ? [19:58]
nubbins` nah [19:58]
nubbins` well, wait [19:58]
mircea_popescu so you thing lolz [19:58]
ozbot Newfoundland English - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [19:58]
nubbins` i guess so [19:58]
mircea_popescu lmao [19:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00485999 = 0.1069 BTC [-] [19:59]
mircea_popescu Ducky, female friend, used affectionately. Also My love, used in an entirely platonic sense [19:59]
KRS1 skeet is white trach or wigger here [19:59]
mircea_popescu great contribs to culture coming from canada. [19:59]
mircea_popescu SARCASM [19:59]
thestringpuller i thought skeet meant the process of ejaculating [19:59]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: i've seen delivery drivers call women "my lover" [19:59]
nubbins` dere ya goes, me lover [19:59]
KRS1 thestringpuller: that too, depending on who you ask.. as in ... skeet skeet [19:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC {2} [20:00]
nubbins` i'm guilty of using some of these [20:00]
nubbins` "now the once" = "soon" [20:00]
ThickAsThieves lotsa former pirates out there? [20:00]
nubbins` c'mon now, we goes drinkin' now the once [20:00]
mircea_popescu so what does gay mean in newfoundlandandlabradorese ? [20:00]
KRS1 nubbins`: I think here they call the person 'boo'. [20:00]
TomServo Yet there is a difference between a hill and a big hill. [20:00]
TomServo haha [20:00]
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nubbins` mircea_popescu: depends on the age of the speaker ;D [20:00]
KRS1 boo=my lover [20:00]
nubbins` "queer" is still regularly used to mean "odd" by older folk [20:01]
mircea_popescu that's right faggoty my love. [20:01]
KRS1 LOL [20:01]
KRS1 i need bait now [20:01]
KRS1 .bait [20:01]
nubbins` "dass a queer smell" [20:01]
ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2edvwVIAY1r0gv87o1_1280.jpg [20:01]
asciilifeform http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-02-26/bitcoin-exchange-mt-dot-gox-shutdown-said-to-be-probed-by-u-dot-s [20:01]
ozbot Bitcoin Exchange Mt. Gox Shutdown Said to be Probed by U.S. - Businessweek [20:01]
nubbins` more like "qware" than "queer" tho [20:01]
KRS1 Mmmm elegant. [20:01]
asciilifeform who the hell is Preet Bharara? i feel like i've heard the name before [20:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform preet bharara wants a cracker ? [20:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00599 = 0.5391 BTC [+] [20:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC [20:02]
ThickAsThieves he's the guy holding the silkroad coins [20:02]
mircea_popescu best parakeet name ever. [20:02]
ThickAsThieves if i recall correctly [20:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00599 = 0.599 BTC [+] {3} [20:03]
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TomServo His brother, Vinit Bharara, is the entrepreneur who co-founded Diapers.com [20:04]
jcpham http://goxshirts.com/ [20:05]
ozbot dem shirts, yo [20:05]
thestringpuller ;;google explain like I'm five bitcoin [20:06]
gribble Explain Bitcoin Like I'm Five — Future of Currency — Medium: ; Explain like I'm five: Bitcoin | Darren Hobbs: ; Explain Bitcoin Like I'm Five (In case you want to understand the ...: [20:06]
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benkay bronycapitalism! [20:06]
asciilifeform ;;google explain like I'm five noncommutative algebras [20:07]
gribble fa.functional analysis - Realisation of noncommutative torus ...: ; Basic facts about finitely-generated noncommutative algebras - Math ...: ; An Intuitive Guide to Linear Algebra | (1 more message) [20:07]
ThickAsThieves Ships in two weeks™ or your money back! [20:08]
mircea_popescu ;;google explain like i'm twelve and what is this ? [20:08]
gribble Explain Like I'm Five | Don't Panic! - Reddit: ; Explain Like I'm Calvin - Reddit: ; Philadelphia (1993) - Quotes - IMDb: [20:08]
nubbins` jcpham, lel [20:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00599 = 0.1857 BTC [+] [20:08]
mircea_popescu o i c [20:08]
benkay ping davout [20:08]
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mircea_popescu ;;explain like i'm five anal sex [20:08]
gribble Error: "explain" is not a valid command. [20:08]
mircea_popescu heh [20:08]
jcpham ;;eli5 would be great gribble command [20:09]
gribble Error: "eli5" is not a valid command. [20:09]
asciilifeform why hardcoded 5? 'eliN' [20:09]
nubbins` "wear your failings like the badge of honor that they are" [20:09]
ThickAsThieves ;;google explain like i'm usagi [20:09]
gribble so i'm looking up to see if a lot of things that...: ; What's the Big Deal About Sailor Moon? « The Hooded Utilitarian: ; Stan Sakai drew a comic in 1991 explaining how to make ... - Robot 6: (1 more message) [20:09]
Duffer1 LOL [20:09]
ThickAsThieves hehe [20:09]
asciilifeform ;;explain like i'm five seppuku [20:09]
jcpham i think that site is 100% [20:10]
jcpham bitpay integrated and such [20:10]
ThickAsThieves from reddit: "What is the potential value of NeoBee? Right now it is trading at around 005" [20:10]
ThickAsThieves "Noone can be sure until first dividends." [20:10]
jcpham so if you buy then i have to make it [20:10]
ThickAsThieves ... [20:10]
thestringpuller ;;seen usagi [20:10]
gribble usagi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 weeks, 0 days, 16 hours, 22 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: No, but it will go over [20:10]
thestringpuller LOL [20:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00596854 = 0.2447 BTC [+] {2} [20:11]
nubbins` hope you're getting a good price on your shirts :D [20:12]
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jcpham so they need to be $50 [20:12]
mircea_popescu so what happens if 1st dividends are 0.007 per share ? [20:12]
jcpham i see your point [20:12]
ThickAsThieves the moon isn't high enough for such a div [20:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC [20:13]
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mircea_popescu infinite power right ? [20:14]
nubbins` where are you getting em printed, anyway? [20:14]
jcpham http://goxshirts.com/products/got-gox-shirt [20:14]
ozbot Got Gox? shirt – goxshirts.com [20:14]
nubbins` cafepress or some such? [20:14]
ThickAsThieves ew [20:14]
nubbins` ;D was hoping that'd garner a reaction [20:15]
jcpham everyone thank nubbins`the price went up [20:15]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [20:15]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 585.38, Best ask: 587.37, Bid-ask spread: 1.99000, Last trade: 587.37, 24 hour volume: 50964.25595437, 24 hour low: 502.0, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 561.245443288 [20:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 165 @ 0.00599339 = 0.9889 BTC [+] {3} [20:15]
* nubbins` discreetly undercuts prices [20:15]
mircea_popescu o no! look at that, nobody cared! [20:15]
jcpham umm customink [20:16]
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jcpham doesn't really matter to me. still working out logistics [20:16]
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davout benkay: hey [20:16]
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jcpham i had a need for a shopify thingy [20:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.0059977 = 0.1679 BTC [+] {2} [20:17]
* nubbins` raises eyebrow [20:17]
nubbins` they do one-off shirts for $20.75, shipping included [20:17]
nubbins` my guess is chinese shirts with heat xfer graphics [20:17]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103 BTC [+] [20:18]
nubbins` i wouldn't even set up the press for $20.75 ;p [20:18]
benkay davout: more tunes still on offer? [20:18]
davout benkay: sure! later tonight tho, gotta wrap some stuff up [20:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.0059977 = 0.3839 BTC [+] [20:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.06178989 = 0.4943 BTC [+] [20:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.103 = 0.927 BTC [+] [20:19]
ThickAsThieves i'm gonna try to get Havelock to fix this market cap bullshit [20:19]
ThickAsThieves how many SMG shares are there again? [20:19]
benkay bahaha [20:19]
benkay davout: i'll check in tomorrow, busy tonight [20:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.0059978 = 0.3659 BTC [+] {2} [20:20]
davout no worries :D [20:20]
benkay ThickAsThieves: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.MG [20:20]
nubbins` that doesn't tell the total # of shares [20:20]
ThickAsThieves i guess it's abstracted by warrant [20:21]
ThickAsThieves s [20:21]
mike_c ;;calc 12157 / .000138 [20:21]
gribble 88094202.8986 [20:21]
nubbins` well that's the thing about warrants [20:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.0059978 = 0.2279 BTC [+] [20:21]
mike_c ^ that many shares [20:21]
benkay http://trilema.com/2014/smg-january-2014-statement/ [20:21]
ozbot S.MG, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:21]
mike_c and about the same # of warrants [20:21]
ThickAsThieves hmm [20:22]
benkay wait why i am i doing mp's work for him [20:22]
ThickAsThieves so really havelock would need to pull that count dynamically [20:22]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11475881 BTC [+] [20:22]
nubbins` can they do that? [20:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 320 @ 0.00599885 = 1.9196 BTC [+] {5} [20:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.49 = 1.47 BTC [-] [20:22]
mike_c shares is fixed. warrants are somewhat dynamic. [20:22]
benkay they can't do that? [20:22]
mike_c btcalpha manages :) [20:22]
nubbins` btcalpha accomodates shares being created after the fact? [20:23]
mike_c it accomodates warrants being issued [20:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 227 @ 0.0055 = 1.2485 BTC [20:23]
nubbins` suppose i cash in my warrant today. 192,000 s.mg shares get pushed to my account [20:23]
nubbins` how does havelock find out about this? [20:24]
mike_c monthly statement [20:24]
benkay sounds like a thing havelock and the pt managers should really have thought about. [20:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00599999 = 0.408 BTC [+] {2} [20:24]
nubbins` mike_c: so the numbers could be inaccurate on havelock for up to 30 days [20:24]
ThickAsThieves well this week havelock becomes the PT manager [20:24]
mike_c only sort of. fully dilute market cap doesn't change [20:25]
ThickAsThieves surely James and Mircea can sort out a way to reliably get a count [20:25]
benkay guess that means you don't have to worry about any of this bullshit, eh, ThickAsThieves? [20:25]
ThickAsThieves well i want neo's to be right mostly [20:25]
mircea_popescu S.MG has a total of 88`096`605 authorised shares outstanding [20:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17068 @ 0.00088091 = 15.0354 BTC [+] [20:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 211 @ 0.00599892 = 1.2658 BTC [-] {3} [20:25]
mircea_popescu and why are warrants included or what are we discussing ? [20:26]
ThickAsThieves they arent included, but they are a factor should they be rendered, no? [20:26]
nubbins` i think the question is how havelock knows total # of shares [20:26]
nubbins` when people can cash out warrants whenever they want [20:27]
mircea_popescu and for that matter s.mg can write more warrants whenever it wants. [20:27]
nubbins` nod [20:27]
nubbins` this presents a problem to be solved if havelock wishes to display a live count of the number of shares existing [20:28]
ThickAsThieves it just means the cap needs to be more dynamic than ASICMINER for example [20:28]
mircea_popescu this is what jurov likes so much about mpex [20:28]
nubbins` anyway bbl i gotta run an errand [20:28]
mircea_popescu nubbins` well generally share counts change. corps do share-based acquisitions and mergers, splits, reverse splits [20:29]
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mircea_popescu warrants and options are exercised all the time [20:29]
mircea_popescu kind-of why the key figures are reported a certain way in fiat. [20:29]
nubbins` nod [20:30]
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nubbins` wait, i said bbl [20:30]
nubbins` for real this time! [20:30]
ThickAsThieves alright, short email to Havelock CEO sent, I even gave him all the dataz. [20:32]
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ThickAsThieves (for SMG, AM, NEO) [20:32]
ThickAsThieves everyone else can get fukt i guess [20:33]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11475881 = 0.2295 BTC [+] [20:34]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0617 = 0.1234 BTC [-] [20:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.104 BTC [+] [20:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 323 @ 0.00599869 = 1.9376 BTC [-] {3} [20:38]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00599975 = 0.198 BTC [+] {2} [20:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11499999 = 0.23 BTC [+] [20:39]
ThickAsThieves ;;calc .000599975*16000000 [20:40]
gribble 9599.6 [20:40]
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ThickAsThieves ;;ticker [20:40]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 584.37, Best ask: 585.65, Bid-ask spread: 1.28000, Last trade: 584.37, 24 hour volume: 50743.47596829, 24 hour low: 509.96, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 561.356989288 [20:40]
ThickAsThieves ;;calc 9599.6*584.37 [20:40]
gribble 5609718.252 [20:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10499999 BTC [+] [20:40]
ThickAsThieves oops [20:41]
ThickAsThieves should be 10x [20:41]
ThickAsThieves NEOBEE at $56.1m [20:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 108 @ 0.00599963 = 0.648 BTC [-] {3} [20:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.06178989 = 0.3089 BTC [+] [20:41]
mircea_popescu 160mn shares ? [20:42]
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ThickAsThieves 16m [20:42]
ThickAsThieves i had the price wrong [20:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1055 = 0.211 BTC [+] {2} [20:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.0059996 = 0.162 BTC [-] [20:42]
mircea_popescu lol. bank of cyprus was what, 350mn ? [20:43]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.005998 = 0.12 BTC [-] {2} [20:43]
ThickAsThieves € 371.59m [20:44]
mircea_popescu well so almost there [20:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 168 @ 0.005998 = 1.0077 BTC [-] {2} [20:45]
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ThickAsThieves http://gothamist.com/2014/02/26/spike_lee_goes_off_about_the_mother.php [20:49]
ThickAsThieves i'm having real trouble understanding the growing trend of american anti-gentrificationism [20:50]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.00599972 = 0.75 BTC [+] [20:52]
mircea_popescu "we're poor and dirty why should anyone be rich" not enough ? [20:52]
mooninite MtGox Update 3: I found it, my usb with 700k bitcoins, It had fell down the side of the sofa at starbucks, withdrawals to resume soonish. [20:52]
asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: people dream of keeping their money [20:52]
asciilifeform is this really deep science? [20:52]
mircea_popescu "You have to come with respect. There’s a code." [20:53]
mircea_popescu ahahaha epic. [20:53]
mircea_popescu fuck you and your fucking code. [20:53]
ThickAsThieves the comments are ridiculous "Why does it take an influx of white New Yorkers in the South Bronx, in Harlem, in Bed Stuy, in Crown Heights for the facilities to get better? Why did it take this great influx of white people to get the schools better? The garbage wasn’t picked up every motherfuckin’ day when I was living in 165 Washington Park... The police weren’t around... When [20:53]
ThickAsThieves you see white mothers pushing their babies in strollers, three o’clock in the morning on 125th Street, that must tell you something." [20:53]
ThickAsThieves why? cuz you didnt [20:54]
mircea_popescu basically, some people suck, some don't. whee why should this be, whoo how could this be. [20:54]
mircea_popescu it just is. [20:54]
mircea_popescu part of it, of course, has to do with "the code". [20:54]
mircea_popescu some codes suck. [20:54]
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asciilifeform in america, there are (de-facto) radically different 'tax rates' (not tax properly speaking, but rent) for different castes [20:55]
mircea_popescu there's no such thing as a right to one's code just because it exists or just because it's different. [20:55]
ThickAsThieves god forbid a mom can walk down a street safely [20:55]
mircea_popescu get a good code or stfu. [20:55]
asciilifeform you can squeeze into the rent zone of a different caste if you're willing to live where it lives [20:55]
asciilifeform but when people do it en mass, the landlords adjust the price [20:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform pretty much. [20:55]
asciilifeform this is called, for some reason, 'gentrification' [20:55]
ThickAsThieves i thought it was called 'life' [20:55]
asciilifeform just explaining for people who have never been to the u.s. [20:56]
ThickAsThieves or maybe 'progress' [20:56]
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asciilifeform so it works roughly like this. you're a programmer or whatnot, and live in a repurposed warehouse, with armoured doors. and life is good, you pay 1/10 of your money as rent [20:57]
asciilifeform then the other programmers think you're clever and get the same idea [20:57]
asciilifeform in a few years the street is full of people like yourself and you pay the mandatory 1/2 of your money as rent. [20:57]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform amusingly historic data from 1600s and 1700s shows avg rents being about 5% of income [20:58]
ThickAsThieves i visited the tenderloin in SF, i dont know what the fuck they are clinging on to [20:58]
mircea_popescu with tax trailing around 4% [20:58]
ThickAsThieves it's a pit [20:58]
mircea_popescu those were the dark ages [20:58]
mircea_popescu today people pay 50% ish in tax and 25% in rent. [20:59]
mircea_popescu and then in most places another 10%ish in vat and vat-like taxes. [20:59]
mircea_popescu leaving them with about 1 in 10 of their income [20:59]
asciilifeform show people what fraction of their net crop medieval serfs paid, and no one believes you. [20:59]
mircea_popescu as opposed to the traditional TAKING 1 of 10 [20:59]
mircea_popescu right-o. [20:59]
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mircea_popescu you need a whole of a lot of progress to get people thinking they're better off in vermin infested shitholes today than they were in 1500 [21:00]
mircea_popescu "When Michael Jackson died they wanted to have a party for him in motherfuckin’ Fort Greene Park and all of a sudden the white people in Fort Greene said, 'Wait a minute! We can’t have black people having a party for Michael Jackson to celebrate his life. Who’s coming to the neighborhood? [21:00]
mircea_popescu well honestly now... why would white people let black people throw parties for mj's death ? [21:01]
mircea_popescu he was white. [21:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00599975 = 0.186 BTC [+] {2} [21:01]
mircea_popescu give him at least that much. [21:01]
ThickAsThieves hehe [21:01]
ThickAsThieves he did work hard for it [21:01]
mircea_popescu ikr/ [21:01]
mircea_popescu in other news, the bitcoin Rift guild is about to pass 1k players 0.o [21:01]
ThickAsThieves is the game fun? or you just in it for the economy? [21:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 136 @ 0.00598329 = 0.8137 BTC [-] {4} [21:03]
ThickAsThieves i have it uninstalled [21:03]
mircea_popescu im mostly doing it for the economy [21:03]
mircea_popescu which i pretty much own [21:03]
mircea_popescu but the game is like wow withot the stupid shit [21:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 143 @ 0.00596738 = 0.8533 BTC [-] {6} [21:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49899998 BTC [+] [21:05]
mooninite s/Rift/Guild Wars2/ [21:05]
mircea_popescu i never tried gw [21:07]
mircea_popescu 2 [21:07]
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mooninite I played Rift, it was def a step of from the likes of WoW. But GW2 is the epitome of "without the stupid shit" [21:08]
mooninite no gear treadmill, skill oriented gameplay [21:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC [21:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0605 = 0.3025 BTC [-] [21:09]
mooninite anyways [21:09]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00599976 = 0.174 BTC [+] [21:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 13 @ 0.16230094 = 2.1099 BTC [-] [21:10]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 21 @ 0.00599999 = 0.126 BTC [+] [21:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-] [21:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.060377 = 2.0528 BTC [-] [21:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 223 @ 0.00599999 = 1.338 BTC [+] [21:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 118 @ 0.00599999 = 0.708 BTC [+] [21:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 450 @ 0.00599999 = 2.7 BTC [+] [21:14]
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mircea_popescu mooninite how does the gear threadmill work ? [21:16]
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mooninite at max level, everyone's gear stats hit the same ceiling. There's no quest for bigger and better loots. Some people dislike this fact, but I find it nice to be able to quit playing for a few weeks, come back and not feel like everyone else progressed beyond me [21:19]
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mooninite there are ascended and legendary items that would be the sort of 'epic' rarity loots but their stats are barely higher than the regular items, only they look nicer and have particle effects [21:19]
mooninite so it's a level playing field, and if you want to farm and go out of your way to get the rarest items, you can -- but they will not immediately make you stronger than everyone else, it's just for looks [21:20]
mircea_popescu so how the heck does crafting work then ? [21:20]
the20year2 *possibly* dumb question, but would it be possible to request the listing of an asset on mpex via a pre-existing account, or does it have to be done from a brand new one? [21:20]
mircea_popescu the20year2 there's no requirement it be a new account [21:20]
mircea_popescu i don't think any assets were listed off new accounts anyway, what sense'd that make ? [21:21]
mike_c % as rent has more to do with density, no? [21:21]
the20year2 My primary concern/question if the requirement is always 30btc to list an asset [21:21]
mike_c % as rent climbs as population density rises [21:21]
mircea_popescu there's no 30 btc to list an asset tho. [21:21]
the20year2 But, 30btc to sign up an account [21:22]
mircea_popescu mpex works exactly like a stock exchange is supposed to work, the asset should ideally take an underwriter [21:22]
mircea_popescu which is someone with the experience and contacts required to maintain the financial side of things. [21:22]
mircea_popescu if every ipo also bought a pit spot it'd be the fucking end of the world over at nyse. [21:22]
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mircea_popescu in some cases obviously the asset is owned by an actual investment bank which already has a seat. this is by no means common or the rule. esp as things mature. [21:23]
the20year2 And who is the contact? [21:23]
the20year2 You're talking about market makers, correct? [21:23]
mircea_popescu the contact for what exactly ? [21:24]
mircea_popescu uh no. [21:24]
the20year2 the underwriter for an asset on mpex [21:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00087857 = 20.5585 BTC [-] {3} [21:25]
mircea_popescu there's no requirement that the underwriter marketmakes [21:25]
mircea_popescu with the exception of x.eur and the options, mpex assets aren't mm'd specifically [21:25]
mircea_popescu anyone can be the mm or somescuh. [21:26]
the20year2 I guess I'm trying to determine if there'd be use in whether there would be a use for a USD rentalstarter bond on mpex [21:26]
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the20year2 And if so, the costs of doing such [21:26]
mircea_popescu aha. [21:26]
the20year2 We should hit $500k in total NAV by June, which is good, but i don't know if it's enough still in order to get a portfolio lender to consider us [21:27]
mircea_popescu well, if you aren't in the business, the logical step would be to talk to someone who is. [21:27]
the20year2 Which was the whole idea behind doing this 2nd round of funding via havelock. So, then i've got to consider what non-share options there exist for business financing. Issuing interest bearing bonds are one of those things that many businesses do when they don't/can't apply for bank financing. [21:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.115 = 3.45 BTC [+] {3} [21:28]
mike_c but you'd have to pay interest in btc.. [21:28]
the20year2 Well , if it works as a BTC short, then the interest being paid would be tied to USD rather than BTC, but still paid via btc as the medium [21:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11520433 = 0.2304 BTC [+] {2} [21:29]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14720 @ 0.0008781 = 12.9256 BTC [-] {3} [21:30]
nubbins` today people pay 50% ish in tax and 25% in rent. <<< you're obviously not from canada [21:30]
mircea_popescu nubbins` was thinking more of a us thing. [21:31]
the20year2 isn't it flipped in canada? [21:31]
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the20year2 Then of course, depending on the cost, issuing bonds in the US may be preferential to pursuing issuance on a bitcoin based exchange [21:33]
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the20year2 Hopefully I'm making sense [21:35]
the20year2 The two questions are : Would a USD bond (to short BTC:USD) be useful on somewhere like mpex, and if so, what would the cost be to do such a venture from the issuer standpoint [21:35]
nubbins` wait, sorry, 25% of gross pay [21:35]
nubbins` i see [21:35]
nubbins` ~50% of net for housing is the norm here [21:36]
the20year2 US they want to see 35% [21:36]
mike_c there's already a btc hedge on mpex in x.eur. i'm not sure how much appetite you'll find for a bond that will decrease in NAV and interest rate as btc rises. [21:36]
nubbins` depending on your tax bracket, that could be around 25% of gross [21:36]
the20year2 and that includes usually utilities [21:36]
mircea_popescu the20year2 what makes you tihnk you have the credibility to issue bonds in the first place ? [21:37]
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mircea_popescu i mean equity is one thing, people love throwing money away [21:37]
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mircea_popescu but a fixed upside requires a very narrow downside. [21:38]
the20year2 I'd like to think i've been more transparent with rentalstarter than most other issuers have been with their respective listings. Of course, i'm still asking if this is a possibility at any rate [21:38]
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mircea_popescu a possibility it is, of course, but transparency is hardly much of a qualification. [21:40]
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the20year2 With the number of companies that have outright scammed people i'd kind of expect it to at least play a partial role in future issuer plans. [21:41]
mike_c how many companies on mpex have scammed people? [21:41]
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the20year2 I'm not aware of any, however i'm talking about the landry list of stocks out there that have. [21:42]
mircea_popescu in general companies that can't finance themselves through stock issuance have little or no hope of placing bonds successfully. [21:43]
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mircea_popescu at least i've never heard of pinksheet bonds issuance. [21:43]
thestringpuller people need to stop financing period until their business actually runs [21:44]
the20year2 There's a medium sized REIT i ran into out of texas that issued bonds here pretty recently in the same way I would like to do ours [21:44]
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the20year2 To issue bonds in the US, up to $50m all that is required is to issue a PPM and file with the SEC in the respective investor's state [21:44]
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the20year2 Then, depending on accreditation you then are limited to a number of investors [21:45]
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mircea_popescu what's "run into" mean ? [21:49]
mircea_popescu jesus fuck, i go craft, check twitter half hour later, 24 interactions [21:49]
mircea_popescu how is one supposed to handle this shit [21:49]
thestringpuller you ignore them [21:49]
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mircea_popescu i guess so. [21:51]
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mircea_popescu actually goes pretty fast. [21:52]
mircea_popescu most of it is just spam basically made to make one feel important. [21:52]
mircea_popescu takes about 3 minutes to cut through 25 interactions. [21:52]
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the20year2 at least bots think you're important [21:54]
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mircea_popescu not a matter of bots, just, all interaction is split up in n atomic bits [21:55]
mircea_popescu guy X favorited your tweet. mkay, nobody cares. [21:55]
mircea_popescu guy x retweeted your tweet. mkay, nobody cares. [21:55]
mircea_popescu most of what twitter calls "interactions" is spurious nonsense and in general 6-10 of those could have been consolidated in 1 line. [21:56]
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mike_c the gox failure has clearly been depressing ATC prices.. [22:05]
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ArsKisS aaand... it's banned [22:12]
mircea_popescu what is ? [22:12]
ArsKisS wait wut [22:12]
ArsKisS bitcoin [22:12]
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mircea_popescu in pakistan ? [22:12]
ArsKisS aah [22:12]
ArsKisS you didn't see the rows before my comment [22:12]
ThickAsThieves every politician needs some aide telling him to consider what implications his comments have on the US dollar [22:12]
ThickAsThieves ban USD! [22:13]
ArsKisS [22:11:12] have at em boys: https://twitter.com/Sen_JoeManchin [22:13]
ArsKisS [22:11:35] "ban bitcoin" lol [22:13]
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ThickAsThieves [15:09] http://www.businessinsider.com/senator-calls-for-bitcoin-ban-2014-2 [22:13]
ThickAsThieves [15:09] look at those assholes shoving iphones in his face [22:13]
ThickAsThieves [15:09] lol [22:13]
ThickAsThieves ^ mp [22:13]
asciilifeform only reason the ban isn't official yet is that ft. meade hasn't finished the beta version of the IRSCoin that u.s. citizens will be asked to trade their TerroristCoins for. [22:13]
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ThickAsThieves "Bitcoin has also become a haven for individuals to buy black market items. " shit it's harder to get stuff with bitcoin than dollars now [22:14]
mircea_popescu oic [22:14]
mircea_popescu meanwhile i'm having fun on twitter with twerps who describe themselves as "Strategy & Research" [22:15]
mircea_popescu and then do website design for a living. [22:15]
ThickAsThieves i wonder, is there a legal ground for disallowing the USG to ban it on grounds that it would destroy huge amounts of wealth for US citizens already invested? [22:15]
mircea_popescu because srsly. that's where it's aty. [22:15]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves no. [22:15]
mircea_popescu the usg has the god given right to destroy any wealth of its citizens it can. [22:16]
asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: hemp, gold, 100 other historical examples [22:16]
ThickAsThieves i like those examples [22:16]
ThickAsThieves cuz they failed [22:17]
ArsKisS http://auroracoin.org/ [22:17]
ArsKisS btw what do you think? [22:17]
ThickAsThieves scam [22:17]
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ArsKisS ThickAsThieves, iceland government gonna scam their citizens? [22:17]
ThickAsThieves where do you see the gov being involved? [22:17]
ArsKisS afaik they gonna distribute [22:18]
ThickAsThieves afaik? [22:18]
gx god, that article just drives me nuts [22:18]
ThickAsThieves k more [22:18]
ArsKisS as far as i know [22:18]
gx we should ban it, because it's unstable [22:18]
gx rofl [22:18]
ThickAsThieves you dont know [22:18]
ThickAsThieves is what you mean to say [22:18]
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asciilifeform national altchains are inevitable - just like the idiot national cryptosystems of the '80s-90s [22:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i bet you not in 2014. [22:18]
ThickAsThieves maybe so, but auroracoin isnt one [22:18]
asciilifeform as soon as these folks figure out how to diddle the crypto [22:19]
mircea_popescu not even [22:19]
asciilifeform straight key escrow is a little out of fashion [22:19]
mircea_popescu as soon as they figure out wtf they are. will be 2015 at the ealiest. [22:19]
asciilifeform it's gonna have to be something more subtle [22:19]
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ThickAsThieves it's premined and there's a hard fork already?! [22:19]
ThickAsThieves lolroracoin [22:19]
mircea_popescu lmao [22:19]
ArsKisS ThickAsThieves, well, that knida explained :P [22:19]
Duffer1 not like the premine was a lot of coins just a mere 50% [22:20]
ArsKisS :D [22:20]
ThickAsThieves the whole thing is absurd and insulting [22:20]
gx Before the U.S. gets too far behind the curve on this important topic, I urge the regulators to work together, act quickly, and prohibit this dangerous currency from harming hard-working Americans. [22:20]
gx jesus [22:20]
ThickAsThieves hard-working americans? [22:20]
ThickAsThieves lol [22:20]
mike_c what about the lazy americans? [22:20]
mircea_popescu gx having fun ? [22:21]
Duffer1 none of that sentence made sense [22:21]
ThickAsThieves % of hard work performed by bitcoiners = .00000001 [22:21]
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gx i'm fucking raging [22:22]
gx lol [22:22]
mircea_popescu spam because funny : [22:23]
mircea_popescu @TomHashemi Did you want to share something with the group ? [22:23]
mircea_popescu @Mircea_Popescu Nope... I've read enough of your nonsense on bitcointalk to do it on twitter as well [22:23]
mircea_popescu @TomHashemi I don't write on bitcointalk. [22:23]
mircea_popescu @Mircea_Popescu you are not MPOE-PR or whatever? [22:23]
mircea_popescu @TomHashemi No. And why am I talking to derps who think they may put "strategy" on their bio when what they do is code websites ? [22:23]
mircea_popescu @Mircea_Popescu errrr maybe because I do both? try reading the full page before you comment... [22:23]
mircea_popescu @TomHashemi Sure, most actual strategists I know advertise themselves as cooks, streetsweepers, merchandise stacking "executives" and so on [22:23]
mircea_popescu @Mircea_Popescu Didn't realise I had to get all my sources of income approved by you before I proceed. I'll remember for next time, thanks. [22:23]
mircea_popescu @TomHashemi You're from a different movie, seriously. [22:23]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wrestling with pigs? [22:23]
mircea_popescu im on twitter nao [22:24]
mircea_popescu dun-dundun you're in the shitter nao [22:24]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXpF2xMlZyQ [22:24]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [22:24]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 579.64, vol: 51250.82140218 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 566.0, vol: 34102.75551 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 583.2499, vol: 39495.72382802 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 595.02, vol: 338.71655363 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 574.633104, vol: 14739.30100000 | Volume-weighted last average: 576.844443971 [22:25]
mircea_popescu ono! needs more 0s for volume [22:25]
BingoBoingo So Imma guess this recent drama means rally soon [22:26]
mircea_popescu kinda been rallying all day. [22:26]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: Why do you waste your time with people like that? Is he some kind of uber-wealthy gateway? [22:27]
ThickAsThieves bitstamp is much less prone to "crashes" on "bad" news like this [22:27]
ThickAsThieves so glad gox is dead [22:27]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic cause i'm a fucking verbose idiot basically. [22:27]
asciilifeform new theory. twitter used by thinking people is really stego blockchain. [22:28]
asciilifeform 4 bits per word. [22:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform in retrospect, "strategy" on such venues should be taken as an indicator of consumate armchair generalship. [22:28]
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mircea_popescu i guess protecting the term is impossible, actual people doing strategy will have to find a new word [22:28]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: :-/ I don't think so, fwiw. [22:28]
mircea_popescu kids take over this one [22:28]
ThickAsThieves "After you ban #bitcoin, could you ban really hot, humid weather? It's really the most annoying weather." [22:29]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic no but w/e, he was talking at me on twitter. so i respond. and when i respond to people i don't know it highligths them to research team too, so they give me a "who's this guy". [22:29]
asciilifeform i've nothing against armchair generals, so long as they don't labour under the delusion of commanding actual soldiers. [22:29]
jurov asciilifeform that leaves obvious coinclusion about bruce schneiers recommended password solution [22:29]
ThickAsThieves "please clarify whether this ban would apply to @dogecoin also?" [22:29]
ThickAsThieves lol [22:29]
midnightmagic doh [22:29]
mircea_popescu when i get back a "well he makes websites" im like o great [22:29]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves droopy tits is what they should ban [22:29]
ThickAsThieves yes! [22:30]
mircea_popescu big is ok but saggy nobody wants. [22:30]
asciilifeform i'm a stereotypical, unrepentant armchair general myself. even have a copy of clausewitz somewhere. [22:30]
ThickAsThieves a scourge on the nation surely [22:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't think armchair generals are allowed clausewitz [22:30]
mircea_popescu i suppose we may mean different things by the term. [22:31]
ThickAsThieves someone should do an article on the senator that has "BTCUSD fell -1% on the news" [22:31]
mircea_popescu my armchair generals are qualified to discuss anything because they once finished a game of starcraft [22:31]
mircea_popescu and it was really hard. [22:31]
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mircea_popescu "mpex drops 1% on news of ceo wasting his time talking to idiots on twitter" [22:32]
asciilifeform i'm just a noob to the sheer magnitude of the apparent civilizational decay. [22:32]
mircea_popescu ;;calc (0.00087832 - 0.0008772 )/ 0.00087832 [22:32]
gribble 0.00127516167228 [22:32]
mircea_popescu 0.1% [22:32]
ThickAsThieves lol [22:33]
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asciilifeform (what's the word for what used to be a normal kid, who wants a time machine so he can get clobbered in stalingrad like a real man? 'armchair private' ?) [22:33]
mircea_popescu btw, ThickAsThieves saves the day. if bitcoin is banned we move to altcoin [22:33]
asciilifeform how many folks here were armchair privates? [22:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't think these exist anymore, and if they do exist they're prolly girls. [22:34]
mircea_popescu wanting to starve as sufragettes or something. [22:34]
ThickAsThieves that's the plan [22:34]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: girls?! explain [22:34]
asciilifeform aha [22:34]
ThickAsThieves we must have an "alt"ernative [22:34]
mircea_popescu maaaaybe some kid wants to be at stonewall [22:34]
mircea_popescu without even being gay [22:34]
ThickAsThieves the senators web page crashed my Opera [22:34]
ThickAsThieves hax [22:34]
mircea_popescu (well... he's bicurious. and he thinks he might be gay) [22:35]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves, at your request : Ah, che bel vivere, che bel piacere: per un senatore di qualità! di qualità! [22:35]
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ThickAsThieves i requested a mexican translation? [22:36]
mircea_popescu from "il senatore di faniente", a famous opera [22:36]
ThickAsThieves ah [22:36]
ThickAsThieves lemme see if my portuguese can decipher [22:36]
ThickAsThieves nevermind [22:37]
ThickAsThieves i see my pretty [22:37]
ThickAsThieves for one senator [22:37]
ThickAsThieves maybe i should buy some rosetta stones [22:37]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: modern boys don't want time machine? [22:38]
mircea_popescu nah [22:40]
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asciilifeform http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10655270/Plan-to-split-California-into-six-states-gains-ground.html [22:52]
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nubbins` http://www.eulorum.org/Eulora/Installing_Eulora [22:54]
nubbins` ^ first post :D [22:54]
mircea_popescu yay! [22:54]
mircea_popescu ahahaha that icon is deathly cute [22:55]
nubbins` prob needs some editing, i'll take another look over it later. this is my first time writing a wiki article [22:55]
nubbins` i know hey? [22:55]
nubbins` wonder what happens if you poke his nose ;( [22:55]
mircea_popescu nubbins` btw, you got any crafting done or anything ? [22:55]
nubbins` no, only got as far as the login screen. keyboard input goes to the terminal window rather than the un/pw textboxes [22:56]
nubbins` it's a work in progress ;D [22:56]
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nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/dan-aykroyd-loves-new-face-of-crystal-head-vodka-1.2551755 [22:59]
nubbins` in other news, you can buy a fucking glass hockey skate filled with whisky now [23:00]
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ThickAsThieves "The hack rates as one of the largest heists in history" [23:04]
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ThickAsThieves re saying Gox lost $400m [23:04]
ThickAsThieves by what measure? [23:04]
azi` are we actually sure it was a hack? [23:05]
mircea_popescu lmao mtgox is a hack nao ? [23:05]
azi` i'd really like to know what was going on at gox [23:05]
azi` i mean, no blockchain info about the 700k bitcoins [23:05]
azi` and its unreasonable to think they lost the wallet to the cold storage thing [23:06]
mircea_popescu azi` dude, they just bundled everything together. [23:06]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/mtgox-and-ancient-bitcoin-history-the-straight-dope/ [23:06]
mircea_popescu read that and follow the links. you'll get it. [23:06]
ThickAsThieves Havelock's response to my market cap fix request "I will keep you posted on when this will be updated and how." [23:08]
azi` doing it just now.. i am wondering if it can change my view that gox was just too incopetent to run this "get bitcoins and run" scheme [23:08]
mircea_popescu anyone know a certain Bryce Weiner ? [23:09]
mircea_popescu azi` well, let me know. [23:09]
crash0verrid3 oooo [23:09]
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ThickAsThieves omg someone on twitter just used "Bitcoin is not Quantum Safe, sorry." as an argument [23:09]
asciilifeform quantum safe? [23:10]
azi` mircea_popescu: so you think it's in no way related to the fact that they had some legal issues with authorities? [23:10]
mike_c ThickAsThieves: market cap deja vu.. [23:10]
mike_c http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2013#396183 [23:10]
azi` the case reminds me very much to the case of full tilt poker, really.. [23:10]
azi` they were stealing large sums of money but everything was fine until the FBI closed them down which caused a panic of withdrawals after reopening [23:11]
lnovy no order sorting? :( [23:11]
ThickAsThieves quantum safe? // ya we are at the mercy of vitalik's and jordan ash's turing quantum miners [23:11]
mircea_popescu azi` basically it's the bitcoinica blueprint rehashed. [23:12]
kakobrekla the real fear is luke jr, ThickAsThieves . [23:12]
mircea_popescu they lost some btc, kept daytrading to make it up, kept losing, [23:12]
mircea_popescu had various losses here and there [23:12]
mircea_popescu if you add it all up it's 700k btc or w/e [23:12]
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mircea_popescu most of it was when btc was very cheap [23:12]
mircea_popescu so this presentation overtstates losses to make a better story. [23:13]
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ThickAsThieves http://www.bitcoinnotbombs.com/bitcoin-vs-the-nsas-quantum-computer/ [23:14]
mircea_popescu so today's takeaway is that idiots are remarkable territorial. [23:14]
mircea_popescu on top of all the bitcoin experts in #bitcoin, #bitcoin-otc, #bitcoin-etc [23:14]
mircea_popescu and on top of all the various specialist investors on bitcointalk [23:15]
mircea_popescu and reddittalk and etc [23:15]
mircea_popescu there's a different set of twitter guyse [23:15]
mircea_popescu which all have invented bitcoin and everything and so on and so forth. [23:15]
mircea_popescu remarkable how much entrenched idiocy the english language can spawn. [23:15]
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mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhbR9QKCUAA4z8n.jpg:large << someone forgot a wo. [23:19]
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ThickAsThieves whaddaya know JPMorgan finded Manchin [23:27]
ThickAsThieves funded* [23:27]
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ThickAsThieves thanks ll [23:28]
mircea_popescu derp. [23:28]
mircea_popescu as i was sayin' to erik, the guy's the clown of all time. [23:29]
mircea_popescu http://www.huntingtonnews.net/8650 [23:29]
mircea_popescu A. James Manchin either delighted or appalled the West Virginia voters. Many people, especially senior citizens, loved the attention he bestowed upon them later as Secretary of State. He would produce a certificate with a gold star and make quite a production of just about anyone's service to "Mother West Virginia." Giving away his trademark white or black fedora to young teenage boys along the campaign trail, Manch [23:29]
mircea_popescu in was known to even pull off the road and attend funerals for people he didn't know. [23:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00599999 = 0.204 BTC [+] [23:29]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: is it okay to copy eulora-specific content wholesale from trilema to the wiki? or would you prefer we link to articles [23:30]
mircea_popescu ideally link [23:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 126 @ 0.00595006 = 0.7497 BTC [-] [23:31]
mircea_popescu inasmuch as wiki articles are intended ot describe things such as they are, they don't sanely need much more than snippets anwyay [23:31]
nubbins` nod, true [23:31]
mircea_popescu i mean arguably eulora as-is won't match exactly the eulora as-word-of-god [23:32]
mircea_popescu hence the utility of a wiki in the first place. [23:32]
nubbins` yeah [23:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 196 @ 0.00595003 = 1.1662 BTC [-] {3} [23:32]
nubbins` so, should the need arise, it's fine to paraphrase/summarize info and link to the relevant blog post? [23:32]
mircea_popescu sure. [23:33]
nubbins` k [23:33]
mircea_popescu http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Senator_Byrd_funeral_service.jpg [23:33]
mircea_popescu how come all the us presidents are wearing cheap synthetic suits ? [23:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00573791 = 1.7214 BTC [-] {8} [23:33]
nubbins` cotton/silk shortage [23:33]
thestringpuller only jay-z can afford to wear tom ford [23:34]
mircea_popescu i don't imagine they're trying to buy 50 dollar suits, so you'd expect they could afford something [23:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00570509 = 1.141 BTC [-] {7} [23:34]
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ThickAsThieves thestringpuller, are you seriously chasing usagi for money? [23:35]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 78 @ 0.00570001 = 0.4446 BTC [-] {3} [23:35]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 181 @ 0.0056763 = 1.0274 BTC [-] {6} [23:39]
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thestringpuller ThickAsThieves: no I want to see who the other shareholders were [23:48]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 553 @ 0.00057395 = 0.3174 BTC [+] {4} [23:49]
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nubbins` HIF rallymode [23:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 210 @ 0.00586999 = 1.2327 BTC [+] {3} [23:53]
nubbins` i had a mid-december sell order get filled overnight [23:53]
thestringpuller !ticker h hif [23:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00050000 / 0.00052981 / 0.00057500 (3892 shares, 2.06203014 BTC), 7D: 0.00038617 / 0.00047751 / 0.00057500 (21099 shares, 10.07507839 BTC), 30D: 0.00036000 / 0.00045198 / 0.00057500 (69588 shares, 31.45223437 BTC) [23:53]
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thestringpuller wow [23:54]
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ThickAsThieves has it paid divs? [23:54]
mike_c no dividends and no financial reports. what exactly are you investing in? [23:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 114 @ 0.00589998 = 0.6726 BTC [+] {3} [23:55]
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ThickAsThieves ;;calc 100000000*.000575 [23:56]
gribble 57500 [23:56]
ThickAsThieves ;;ticker [23:56]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 567.67, Best ask: 568.11, Bid-ask spread: 0.44000, Last trade: 568.11, 24 hour volume: 50469.56136110, 24 hour low: 517.0, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 566.874713657 [23:56]
mike_c hm, supposedly there will be quarterly dividends [23:56]
mike_c maybe that's why rally [23:56]
ThickAsThieves ;;calc 57500*567.67 [23:56]
gribble 32641025.0 [23:56]
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ThickAsThieves HIF worth $32.6m [23:56]
mike_c there are 100m units of hif [23:57]
nubbins` yeah [23:57]
nubbins` i'm investing in a cut of listing fees ;p [23:57]
ThickAsThieves the rally is the Neo bump [23:57]
ThickAsThieves reddit went wild and added new users [23:57]
nubbins` this is the first time it's stayed above 0.005 for any length of time since IPO [23:57]
nubbins` i should really add "nubbins" to my highlight list [23:58]
nubbins` not everyone uses tab-complete ;( [23:58]
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ThickAsThieves add nub too :) [23:58]
mike_c their prospectus says they are going to make 6,000 btc in 2014. so quarterly dividend would be.. [23:59]
thestringpuller and nug [23:59]
mike_c ;;calc (6000 /4) / 100000000 [23:59]
gribble 1.5e-05 [23:59]
nubbins` i added nubs. worried about false positives [23:59]
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