Forum logs for 26 Apr 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110745 << i lived in costa rica for a few years, so yeah. but never been much of a coffee drinker, so... whatevs!	[00:00]
assbot	Logged on 25-04-2015 20:45:01; ben_vulpes: savvy?	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell BayAreaCoins prolly later tonight i'd guess.	[00:01]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	!up AmbitionzAzARida	[00:01]
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mircea_popescu	!up austeritysucks	[00:02]
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mircea_popescu	!up itkin-	[00:02]
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mircea_popescu	!up maxwell	[00:02]
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mircea_popescu	!up PFate_	[00:03]
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mircea_popescu	!up SirJacket	[00:03]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110772 << or, for that matter, http://thewhet.net/2013/your-feelings-are-out-to-get-you/	[00:05]
assbot	Logged on 25-04-2015 21:16:50; menahem: seeing as everyone is posting their blog love, i did write this today: http://chedr.ca/2015/04/your-emotions-are-irrelevant-and-youve-missed-the-point/ (brings up mircea_popescu 's discussion on RIPple with W3C)	[00:05]
assbot	Your Feelings are Out to Get You \| The Whet ... ( http://bit.ly/1HGhoBz )	[00:05]
williamdunne	mircea_popescu: In a couple of days could you make your RSS feed show all bitcoin related articles for an hour or so?	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110827 << tell me about it.	[00:08]
assbot	Logged on 25-04-2015 21:56:01; Naphex: trinque: gentoo doesn't even have iptables defaulted, so as soon as his done he'll end up recompiling	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	i think it does this already.	[00:08]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/feed/rss/	[00:09]
assbot	Trilema » Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1HGijSE )	[00:09]
williamdunne	Just shows the last 5	[00:09]
williamdunne	!s library	[00:09]
assbot	405 results for 'library' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=library	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	oh	[00:09]
williamdunne	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1111087	[00:09]
assbot	Logged on 25-04-2015 23:32:46; pete_dushenski: williamdunne mebbe you could have scoopbot_revived post to a page on your site ?	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/ shows the lot but i suppose you don't like html cruft ?	[00:09]
assbot	Bitcoin on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HGiqNY )	[00:09]
williamdunne	Hmm I can probably deal with it, I'll take a look	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110867 << that's what the ruby on rails folk say too	[00:12]
assbot	Logged on 25-04-2015 22:03:37; Naphex: asciilifeform: applets are applets and security issues are all around. being a good dev implies taking care with deploying your product	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110883 << ahaha this is a good one	[00:13]
assbot	Logged on 25-04-2015 22:06:38; asciilifeform: to paraphrase mircea_popescu article, if christ saves in java - let me go straight to hell.	[00:13]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.wotbox.com/bot/ << da fuck is this	[00:15]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110915 << i still think this'd all benefit from a lot more documentation.	[00:17]
assbot	Logged on 25-04-2015 22:14:03; asciilifeform: Naphex: if you're interested in my concept in particular, see article 'don't blame the mice.'	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110943 << but obviously "raw data" is not the only concern. right ?	[00:19]
assbot	Logged on 25-04-2015 22:28:04; Naphex: anyway, what i was saying is you take steps 'secure' or tape your stuff always, and you don't feed raw data to your apps if you can filter the input beforehand.	[00:19]
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mircea_popescu	how goes alf	[00:19]
asciilifeform	tired, l0l	[00:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this'd all benefit from a lot more documentation << which 'this'	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	the linked this. "my concept in particular"	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell thebutterzone yo, around ?	[00:21]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[00:21]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: concept alluded to was 'fits in head.' i suppose this is a good time and place to note that it can be accomplished in three basic ways: a) small system b) big head c) powerful hydraulic press	[00:21]
asciilifeform	or any combo of above.	[00:21]
asciilifeform	!up gabriel_laddel	[00:22]
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mircea_popescu	dja see where there's a lot more room for documentation ?	[00:22]
asciilifeform	certainly	[00:22]
*	asciilifeform adds 'fits in head' likbez to middle of very long list	[00:22]
gabriel_laddel	About this "don't feed raw data into your app" and "filtering" nonsense - if you're using a language that isn't complete shit you never need to "filter data" (just communicate in sexprs and (let*ⁱ ...))	[00:23]
asciilifeform	gabriel_laddel has it	[00:23]
gabriel_laddel	you should not have to parse anything - ever	[00:23]
gabriel_laddel	if you are parsing, you're doing it wrong	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell sfate hey.	[00:24]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[00:24]
asciilifeform	(will note, for completeness, that this won't fly on, e.g., embedded chip with 32kB. but most of the usual suspects aren't stuck on one such)	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel perhaps you don't appreciate how deep perl goes, or how unaware perl-people are of their perl-ness.	[00:25]
gabriel_laddel	fuck em?	[00:25]
gabriel_laddel	I mean literally - steal their bitcoin, hack their bank accounts	[00:26]
gabriel_laddel	cause chaos	[00:26]
asciilifeform	'certain languages support serious programmers, and others don't. e.g., I don't think it is at all possible to become a serious programmer using Visual Basic or Perl. if you think hard about what Perl code will do on the borders of the known input space, your head will explode. if you write Perl code to handle input problems gracefully, your programs will become gargantuan: the normal failure mode is to terminate with no id	[00:26]
asciilifeform	ea how far into the process you got or how much of an incomplete task was actually performed. in my view, serious programmers don't deal with tools that _force_ them to hope everything works.' -- herr naggum who else	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	i think the female reproductive system runs on perl.	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	what now ?	[00:26]
trinque	lotta derps out there that can be taught to better themselves.	[00:26]
trinque	I'm fucking 28 and learning CL now	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	i see nobody wishes to engage the cunt problem. but yes, IT DOES RUN ON PERL.	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	and here we are.	[00:29]
gabriel_laddel	in what sense? that it'll accept all sorts of odd inputs?	[00:30]
Pierre_Rochard	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111248 < my former employer, was a great firm pre-1930, now just an extension of USG	[00:30]
assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 02:51:20; mircea_popescu: what the fuck is deloitte even	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel how familiar with the process are you ? like, for instance, the simple (lol) ShouldAbort() function ?	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	Pierre_Rochard i suppose it's the next head on the chopping block after AA.	[00:31]
gabriel_laddel	I've had sex with a female if that's what you're asking.	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	not at all.	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	think about it : foetuses are sometimes aborted. on the basis of reasons.	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	when ? why ?	[00:31]
Pierre_Rochard	nah they’re too big to fail now, see http://www.forbes.com/sites/antoinegara/2015/04/15/ernst-young-settles-new-york-lehman-brothers-repo-105-deals/	[00:31]
assbot	Ernst & Young Settles With New York Over Lehman Brothers Repo 105 Deals - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1HGnlP0 )	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	pure perl.	[00:31]
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mircea_popescu	Pierre_Rochard from what i see (and from what i know of these systems) there's periodically going to be a beheading.	[00:32]
*	asciilifeform tries to picture a variant where 'where, why' is accessible	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it is, you can measure a lot about a pregnancy.,	[00:32]
gabriel_laddel	you're talking about the women in question purposefully aborting her pregnancy?	[00:32]
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asciilifeform	- with instruments	[00:32]
gabriel_laddel	or miscarriage?	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel no, no, we're talking about the reproductive system itself.	[00:32]
asciilifeform	sure, fella with microscope can sometimes say why eject button got pressed	[00:33]
asciilifeform	but that isn't negating the 'perliness' of the basic apparatus, no ?	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel trisomies are usually aborted. spina bifida usually not. etc.	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	make sense of it, nobel prize is yours.	[00:33]
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gabriel_laddel	yeah, I don't see the analogy to perl	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	really ?!	[00:34]
trinque	that nature is filthy hacks upon hacks?	[00:34]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: pretty sure the example you cited is immunological	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform maybe.	[00:34]
Pierre_Rochard	mircea_popescu: they created PCAOB - para-govt auditor of auditors - to avoid beheadings and only chop off fingers/toes. Beheadings will have to come exogenously. For log, background on lehman accounting fraud: http://drillingthrough.com/lehman/	[00:34]
assbot	Lehman, E&Y, and Repo 105 \| Drilling Through ... ( http://bit.ly/1HGnPEP )	[00:34]
asciilifeform	(trisomies trigger tumour response)	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform some of them do.	[00:34]
gabriel_laddel	the reason we build abstract machines is because people are not very good at repetitive tasks.	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	iirc they proved some of them actually abord through some oxygenation pathway	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel this is cells.	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	cells are automatons.	[00:34]
gabriel_laddel	yes...?	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	humans don't enter into it, at that level.	[00:35]
gabriel_laddel	people are machines - but computer programs are not people, nor cells.	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	and it's perl for exactly the specified reason, " the normal failure mode is to terminate with no idea how far into the process you got or how much of an incomplete task was actually performed"	[00:35]
gabriel_laddel	we know how to write computer programs such that you don't need regexes.	[00:35]
gabriel_laddel	if you're /ever/ using them, you're doing it wrong.	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	many more similarities (like a pointed lack of sexprs), but let's keep it simple	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	so you're saying cunts are doing it wrong.	[00:36]
asciilifeform	gabriel_laddel: basic idea, perhaps, is that systems designed 'step at a time' by 'practical types' without any clear line of reason - will converge to resemble meat.	[00:36]
asciilifeform	as per l. lamport's essay	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no, idea is that some people who can't even make dragonfly are in a weak position to teach grandmother to suck eggs, as it were.	[00:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00031795 = 9.5385 BTC [-]	[00:36]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if we get the stochasticity of meat, we also need to have the wide functional state space of meat.	[00:37]
asciilifeform	one without the other - is drowning in shit.	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	that may be. i'm just pointing out that biology offers a very significant challenge to theoretical cs.	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	in the perl aspect of things.	[00:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49650 @ 0.0003198 = 15.8781 BTC [+]	[00:37]
gabriel_laddel	This conversation bothers me. We don't understand how to make dragonflies, nor how the reproductive system works. We know how to write computer programs that work - the failing to do the latter correctly is a human failing.	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	is it ?	[00:38]
gabriel_laddel	analogy need not enter into the conversation	[00:38]
gabriel_laddel	it isn't necessary.	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	generally when an analogy need not enter into a conversation, it's a sign the conversation's broken.	[00:38]
gabriel_laddel	der fucking nonsense.	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	and mind you, at issue is not whether we do or don't understand how reproduction works.	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	at issue is that we understand enough to know it runs on perl.	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	which means that as long as you live, you will not live in a clean world.	[00:39]
gabriel_laddel	It doesn't run on "perl" "perl" is a well specified computer program. Meat runs another separate well specified meat program.	[00:39]
gabriel_laddel	which means that as long as you live, you will not live in a clean world. << select portions of humanity have, to varying degrees created "clean" computing.	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	take the simple fact that erycridine lactate induces abortion in any trimester, and without exception. if this isn't a regex gone wrong, what is ?	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	ethacridine*	[00:41]
gabriel_laddel	regexes are regexes - nothing elese is.	[00:41]
gabriel_laddel	not everything is the same thing.	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	(and if it were so well specified, we'd prolly know a lot more of it than we do)	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	so you dispute that there's ready biologic equivalents of a regexp match ?	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	you are aware organic molecules are actual strings.	[00:43]
gabriel_laddel	I wouldn't dare draw that equivalence without agreeing on a formal definition for regexes and the process in question.	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	how do you define a string ?	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	(this, incidentally, would be the lisp/perl difference imo. lisp does not have strings, perl does not have sexprs. in spite of pretending on each side)	[00:44]
gabriel_laddel	wtf is this. lisp doesn't have strings?	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	if you think about it, you said so yourself. "if you're /ever/ using them, you're doing it wrong."	[00:45]
gabriel_laddel	my first pass at a definition for a string: A string is a collection of characters from an alphabet.	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	organic molecules pass this.	[00:46]
gabriel_laddel	nah - if you're using regexes you're doing it wrong.	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	that's what strings are. "stuff you use regexps on"	[00:46]
gabriel_laddel	nonsense.	[00:46]
gabriel_laddel	I use strings all the time, don't use regexes	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	you're using fake lisp strings.	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	perl people think they're using "structured data" too.	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	it's all strings, but w/e.	[00:47]
gabriel_laddel	they can't do tree traversals on their "structured data"	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	exaclty.	[00:47]
gabriel_laddel	therefore they suck c0cks	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	and you can't do regexp on your "Strings"	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	therefore...	[00:47]
gabriel_laddel	ah, but I can	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	well, "can".	[00:47]
gabriel_laddel	I don't because it's stupid	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	right.	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	why do you think THEY don't ?	[00:47]
gabriel_laddel	because they're mentally defective	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	obviously.	[00:48]
gabriel_laddel	(I'm assuming you're saying "why don't you think they don't - do tree traversals")	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	right.	[00:48]
gabriel_laddel	I should note that "they" (algol programmers) try to add the tree traversal properties of lisp to their languages	[00:48]
gabriel_laddel	in every single language	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[00:49]
gabriel_laddel	they all have failed, and will continue to fail	[00:49]
gabriel_laddel	so they waste a lot of effort doing it.	[00:49]
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decimation	did I just stumble into an ongoing turing test?	[00:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39250 @ 0.00032074 = 12.589 BTC [+] {3}	[00:50]
gabriel_laddel	this conversation is going in the direction of "heat death of the universe" so I'll note that companies that use e.g., scala have to hire a lot of people to regin in the complexity inherrent in ALGOL.	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	decimation nah, i'm just being unreasonably heterodox over here.	[00:50]
gabriel_laddel	hence, they waste money	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel this is a very minor point. the chief point, still standing, is that cunts still run on perl. there must be a reason for this.	[00:50]
gabriel_laddel	hence they'll be beaten in the marketplace by yours truly.	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	but even if there isn't a reason for this : it's so deeply baked into the structure of the world, you'll never be free of it.	[00:51]
gabriel_laddel	and...?	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	(because cunts obviously aren't free to choose what they use, so the need for perl must be way deeper than that)	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	that's all, no more.	[00:51]
gabriel_laddel	You'll never be entirely free of idiots	[00:51]
gabriel_laddel	that doesn't mean I should stop "butchering slugs"	[00:51]
decimation	how can anyone even make statements about what the female reproductive/baby system is doing without examining the results in each case, in molecular detail?	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	hey, splay that slit! no argument here.	[00:52]
gabriel_laddel	what aesthetic do you wish to live in?	[00:52]
trinque	fast and loose is fine if the product is somewhat disposable?	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	decimation enough to say "it's doing regexp"	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	trinque except the product of reproduction is perhaps the most expensive thing there is	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	if you look in the proper context.	[00:52]
gabriel_laddel	mircea_popescu: oh, btw thanks for your input on my document	[00:52]
trinque	yes, very expensive to the host body while it's being made	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel sure. which was this ?	[00:52]
gabriel_laddel	I ended up trolling through gov. documents on the yucca mountain facility (I had previously quoted wikipedia)	[00:53]
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mircea_popescu	!up gabriel_laddel	[00:53]
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gabriel_laddel	anyways, I ran across lots of juicy information.	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot gabriel_laddel	[00:53]
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decimation	yucca mountain was a terrible idea, in the sense that storing nuclear waste instead of recycling it into fissile Pu is retarded	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	!gettrust assbot gabriel_laddel	[00:53]
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gabriel_laddel	decimation: well, now it is sitting on-site at the 100 reactor sites across the US	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	that whole yucca mountain thing...	[00:54]
gabriel_laddel	in "temporary storage"	[00:54]
gabriel_laddel	forever	[00:54]
trinque	mircea_popescu: seems like systems where there are a variety of ways to solve problems accept that they don't know the "perfect" way, if there is one	[00:54]
trinque	assuming lack of perfect knowledge having multiple things to try seems appropriate	[00:54]
decimation	mainly because jimmy carter banned recycling because it contained the word 'plutonium'	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	trinque the main problem here is that for a large number of solid considerations, lisp would actually be a much better choice. moreover, the space alf referred to is indeed vast, but the processes narrow. in many spots the whole tree converges to a very very narrow bottleneck.	[00:55]
asciilifeform	that may be. i'm just pointing out that biology offers a very significant challenge to theoretical cs. << i must confess, that i am at a loss as to which aspects of meat we should like to replicate in machines: intransigence? toe fungus? pneumonia? schizophrenia?	[00:55]
asciilifeform	seems like we've achieved a great many of these, in the computer...	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i wasn't going nearly as far as any of that.	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	trinque consider the ridiculous happenstance that all foeti have a god damned lizard tail two weeks in.	[00:56]
trinque	mhm, and gills at some point, or proto-gills	[00:56]
trinque	little blockchains themselves	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38360 @ 0.00030596 = 11.7366 BTC [-]	[00:57]
trinque	the whole of evolution unfolding each time	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	not ~quite~	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	broadly speaking, but that's all.	[00:57]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ... there must be a reason for this. << same reason eagle doesn't have jet with afterburner in his arse	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	is it ?	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	anyway i should like to see a schizo computer.	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	could be punishment for the usg twerps. "you now have to program on this"	[00:59]
trinque	I wonder if we'd have done the one with the afterburner having never seen a bird	[00:59]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it's so deeply baked into the structure of the world, you'll never be free of it. << johnson noise, shot noise, etc. are intrinsic to electrical circuit. yet we have to sweat and build whole other box to get pc to cough up random bits.	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	trinque nah, it's not energetically efficient. try and power the jet off the bird's diet.	[00:59]
asciilifeform	because designers did practically nuke the analogue soup. (yes, ram failures, etc. exist.)	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	i have no doubt you have still hope alf :)	[01:00]
trinque	mircea_popescu: right, so we're talking about the difference between systems which try to be general solutions to (not sure how to articulate it) vs specific tools which live in a given niche?	[01:01]
trinque	tools vs general meta-tools or something	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	im not even sure.	[01:01]
trinque	me either, lol	[01:01]
asciilifeform	i just can't help but recall kreinin's piece re: how folks who are asking for meat-like architecture 'whether they want a tool, or electronic best friend or sex partner' and asked whether 'they had tried the selection of naturally-occurring ones first'	[01:02]
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mircea_popescu	mind that i am not proposing any change here.	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	i am merely pointing out that the perl-bashing has some serious problems in front of it.	[01:02]
trinque	converation with my biz partner comes to mind where he praised this old DOS point of sale	[01:03]
asciilifeform	nature's criterion of 'works' and mine, i will say, are not at all alike.	[01:03]
trinque	he could enter things like i 52345 s 3 and that would add inventory number whatever to the ticket 2 times	[01:03]
asciilifeform	i don't want to buy the office chair that is successful in cheaply making infinite copies of itself into the aeons. not unless it also parks my arse well.	[01:04]
trinque	and he still claims he's faster on that than any micros shit, ncr, or even more "modern" UI	[01:04]
asciilifeform	trinque: this is not a difficult standard to achieve	[01:04]
trinque	sure	[01:04]
trinque	but you could then go "oh but this is not a general interface with concepts applicable to any UI"	[01:04]
trinque	or something	[01:04]
trinque	seems relevant to the lisp vs perl thing	[01:05]
asciilifeform	trinque: but basic idea is that single-tasking, single-threaded box was inherently responsive	[01:05]
trinque	perl's an interface to a handful of problems, ignores other things	[01:05]
asciilifeform	it -had- to be	[01:05]
trinque	I was for example shocked to find an object system in CL as a layman	[01:05]
trinque	and a few months in I'm pretty sure it has goddamn everything, so to speak	[01:05]
trinque	any "paradigm" of programming you'd like to use	[01:06]
asciilifeform	trinque: because everywhere else on the planet 'object-oriented' is synonymous with 'profound retardation', yes	[01:06]
trinque	yeah, and I went to a school that did C++ and Java, and dropped out of that	[01:06]
gabriel_laddel	seems relevant to the lisp vs perl thing << ummm... the angle I'm attacking this from is that meta-programming is inescapable and sexprs are the only sane way to go unless you want to program forth or APL.	[01:06]
trinque	then went on to do python and ruby in industry	[01:06]
trinque	it's a wonder I can hit the toilet with my ass	[01:06]
gabriel_laddel	we know how ALGOL and meta-programming (tree-traversals) interact	[01:06]
trinque	gabriel_laddel: sure, seems you need code to be data to do metaprogramming well	[01:07]
gabriel_laddel	not only that - you /must/ have a simple parsing algorithm, else upgrades are a bitch	[01:07]
gabriel_laddel	checkout the scala "macro" system sometime.	[01:08]
gabriel_laddel	s-expressions + read tables are the ultimate notational abstraction	[01:08]
trinque	way less mental fatigue looking at them, I've found	[01:09]
trinque	I have to run; cheers	[01:10]
asciilifeform	one observation of mine is that the abstraction that most determines the shape of a program is	[01:10]
asciilifeform	the unavailable one(s).	[01:10]
gabriel_laddel	way less mental fatigue looking at them, I've found << I suppose. One can learn to read most anything. The importance here is the triviality of generating "syntactically correct" program texts.	[01:10]
asciilifeform	think this way - if the problem were entirely contained in an -available- set of abstractions of the language, the program would not need to be written!	[01:10]
asciilifeform	(best program is no program.)	[01:11]
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gabriel_laddel	!s brick lisp	[01:12]
assbot	8 results for 'brick lisp' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=brick+lisp	[01:12]
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gabriel_laddel	While we're here, I'll note that being tied to text (perl) is quite limiting. On CLIM today I can tell any object how to "present" itself, i.e., how to draw itself on the screen. Such a thing is unthinkable in a language based around regexes.	[01:15]
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asciilifeform	gabriel_laddel: it is a mistake to describe perl as 'based on' anything in particular. it is soup, consisting of the entire contents of a crashed delivery van. soup reflective of what is to be found in the author's skullcase.	[01:16]
asciilifeform	this appeals to some people	[01:17]
asciilifeform	for a variety of reasons	[01:17]
asciilifeform	partly because it makes a convincing simulacrum of problem-solving, as (per naggum) hollywood special effects 'may as well be the real thing'	[01:18]
asciilifeform	partly because it allows imbeciles to feel as if they are 'sticking the finger' to those boring 'squares' who actually take the time to think things through	[01:18]
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asciilifeform	partly because perl proggies tend to be 'throw-aways' and absolve the author of the burden of actually carrying anything through to completion or (horror) supporting	[01:19]
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asciilifeform	but also for many other reasons, which i will not waste readers' time on.	[01:20]
*	gabriel_laddel B.A.D (bitcoin-assets distro) update #1, I just finished rewriting mozrepl in parenscript. Now to cut out extra crud.	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	trinque re the dos point of sale, best breakfast p[lace here had one, made like 1985 or some shit	[01:20]
asciilifeform	^ it immediately caught my eye when saw it	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	nature's criterion of 'works' and mine << nature's cheaper. you might not get a voice.	[01:21]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: in the end, the amoeba get the voice.	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	that's the thing.	[01:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118488 @ 0.00029217 = 34.6186 BTC [-]	[01:22]
asciilifeform	but engineers who take an intense interest in 'in the end' tend to build autoguillotines.	[01:23]
asciilifeform	rather than computers	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	maybe.	[01:23]
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asciilifeform	!up gabriel_laddel	[01:23]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110960 << quite possibru.	[01:25]
assbot	Logged on 25-04-2015 22:32:39; ben_vulpes: there's nothing more undervalued right now than cheap old blades.	[01:25]
asciilifeform	^ speaking of which, is anyone going to splatter out the c3 conversation re: computational sommeliers here ?	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1111015 << cooling!	[01:28]
assbot	Logged on 25-04-2015 22:44:55; decimation: usually with power, bus, network, etc supplied as part of the 'crate'	[01:28]
gabriel_laddel	mircea_popescu: are you ever going to post the Jerusalem follow-up to your Istanbul article?	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	imo cooling was the biggest problem for the damned blades.	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel once i go to jerusalem	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you got a blog neh ?	[01:29]
asciilifeform	l0l	[01:29]
asciilifeform	blog but too few handz	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	"i forgot where i put it "	[01:29]
asciilifeform	'where i should put this?!!!' -- 'borat'	[01:29]
asciilifeform	(scene where he is holding a bad of own shit)	[01:30]
asciilifeform	*bag	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	"this i should put where is ?"	[01:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98050 @ 0.00029824 = 29.2424 BTC [+]	[01:31]
asciilifeform	and l0l, apparently no one mentioned the matchsticks. so let this count as mention.	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	the unmentionable matchsticks	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1111057 << floating point's just a convention, right ?	[01:37]
assbot	Logged on 25-04-2015 23:01:04; decimation: unfortunately no floating point unit, but that isn't needed for the target market here	[01:37]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1111123 << to round off that thread, it appears that a secondhand instrument of that type can be had for 10-20k usd, where i live.	[01:37]
assbot	Logged on 25-04-2015 23:43:06; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110941 << interestingly, i asked about the cost. was told something like '$1m for the old style, 2.5 for the new generation.' fella said this with straight face, too, as if there were nothing remarkable about this factoid.	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	seems nuts. 1% of new price if used ?	[01:39]
asciilifeform	aha. just like the xyz robot i worked with	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	so where's the 300 dollar bmws	[01:39]
asciilifeform	these things deprecate on the 'usg pays maxint, scrap dealer pays 1%' formula.	[01:39]
asciilifeform	that is where the 300 bmw is.	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1111076 << that country is france.	[01:39]
assbot	Logged on 25-04-2015 23:21:58; asciilifeform: i mention it because i can imagine a world where such clocks are considered not only acceptable, but 'state of the art' and 'best practice'	[01:39]
gabriel_laddel	u'u	[01:40]
gabriel_laddel	lol	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	before smartphones, it was not uncommon to stop two people in the street whose clocks were 30 minutes apart.	[01:40]
asciilifeform	there would be a 300 usd bmw if a) 500 people knew of bmw b) machine could only be driven on 100 particular race courses c) by a ph.d. or equiv. d) running on virgin piss	[01:41]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: l0l wut? clock towers existed	[01:41]
asciilifeform	now, lazy people also existed. and still exist	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	virgin piss is not that rare	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	especially in the us.	[01:42]
asciilifeform	l0l	[01:42]
asciilifeform	export market then.	[01:42]
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asciilifeform	but back to the machines, because i consider this a mega-educational moment - there are countless instruments where you can pay, e.g., 10k on 'ebay' but you can also pay 800k if you want new, with support contract, for the mandatory softs to not be considered pirated, etc., etc., (most of this is strictly usg)	[01:44]
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asciilifeform	the one consumer crud item which (i am told) behaves in a similar way is - diamonds.	[01:45]
*	asciilifeform cannot comment in detail, has no personal experience with then outside of machine shop tooling	[01:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54950 @ 0.00030057 = 16.5163 BTC [+] {3}	[01:53]
asciilifeform	obligatory:	[01:53]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqT2uOa1-d0	[01:53]
assbot	The Brave Little Toaster - Worthless (No Interruptions) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxUHch )	[01:53]
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mircea_popescu	notbad	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1111168 << i lollerd.	[02:01]
assbot	Logged on 25-04-2015 23:58:40; menahem: And be the Pete the world requires of me"	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	also, behold line 1111111 : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1111111	[02:01]
assbot	Logged on 25-04-2015 23:37:19; williamdunne: It won't cover all of history though, most of the RSS feeds only cover 5-10 posts each	[02:01]
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mircea_popescu	ok that bitgo thing was pretty lulzy.	[02:06]
trinque	mircea_popescu \| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110960 << quite possibru. << http://www.ebay.com/itm/RLX-System-600ex-Xeon-CPU-Blade-2-8GHz-x-2-1GB-60GB-HD-/170369036116?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27aac92f54 big time	[02:09]
assbot	Logged on 25-04-2015 22:32:39; ben_vulpes: there's nothing more undervalued right now than cheap old blades.	[02:10]
assbot	RLX System 600ex Xeon CPU Blade 2.8GHz x 2 1GB 60GB HD ... ( http://bit.ly/1Or56Rv )	[02:10]
trinque	way better than a piddly ec2 micro/small/medium instance eh?	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	guess so	[02:10]
trinque	seeing elsewhere 10 xeon dell poweredge for $50 per	[02:12]
trinque	next hustle maybe	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111214 << being specific here would be interesting.	[02:13]
assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 00:57:29; Naphex: trinque: that's airgapped gpg. you can implement gpg all over. Not sure how much airgapping it helps. A lot of sidechannel attacks comming up nowadays that can grab keys	[02:13]
trinque	re: perl thread RLX control tower was all written in php, could multicast OS images out to 500 blades at once, and lots of other great shit	[02:13]
trinque	this in early 200x	[02:14]
trinque	the puppets and other garbage in the space are still trying to do what they had	[02:14]
mike_c	mircea_popescu: requested changes to wot site are live.	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	mike_c i noticed sorting earlier. pretty cool!	[02:14]
mike_c	oh, except for help text on tooltips on the headers. got to add that. but yeah, sorting is up, dates don't wrap in the tables anymore, and http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/all-users/	[02:15]
assbot	All WoT Users - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxXbr6 )	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111227 << i use WP-Footnotes 4.2 By Simon Elvery.	[02:16]
assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 01:43:24; williamdunne: Anyone know a decent footnotes plugin for WP?	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	i suspect everyone using them is using the same	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	!up jayk	[02:16]
-assbot-	You voiced jayk for 30 minutes.	[02:16]
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jayk	thanks	[02:16]
mike_c	the best footnotes plugin for WP is /dev/null	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	wait wut!	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	footnotes haet ?!	[02:17]
mike_c	hehe. you get an exception.	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	i am probably the record holder for most footnotes in an article out of the entire interwebs	[02:17]
mike_c	and pete has gotten much better. but footnotes are dangerous and usually misused.	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	also may be the only one with footnoted footnotes	[02:17]
cazalla	made a irl scoopbot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C21PhQU6tjg (every parent thinks their kid is the smartest but i think this is good for 15 months)	[02:18]
assbot	scoopbot kid can fetch better than the original - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Or5Kyn )	[02:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50443 @ 0.00029179 = 14.7188 BTC [-] {3}	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	!gettrust Pierre_Rochard	[02:20]
assbot	Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Pierre_Rochard: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 4 via 7 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=Pierre_Rochard \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Pierre_Rochard/	[02:20]
mike_c	cazalla: he got three things in a row without crashing. He's better than all the scoopbots combined :)	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	williamdunne so in retrospect : "immutable, fungible, non-discriminatory, and trustless" is really redundant. fungible includes "non-discriminatory".	[02:22]
jayk	!gettrust jayk	[02:24]
assbot	Trust relationship from user jayk to user jayk: ∞ \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/jayk/	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	i would suspect maybe trustless is a misnomer. trust is not involved at all, the point is coherence. the system remains coherent, which is to say it does not fork into ambiguous states.	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	maybe the best description would be "immutable, fungible and entropic"	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	because that is the property here : same as entropy, bitcoin lacks the ability to review earlier states on the base of later states.	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	so described, it is rather clear that bitcoin can not in fact exist : immutability and entropy are mutually contradictory.	[02:26]
jayk	is it worth throwing any money at a mining pool these days with bitcoin being flat?	[02:28]
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cazalla	jayk, let someone else bare the cost and just buy coins straight up	[02:28]
jayk	better to buy them right now then	[02:29]
cazalla	bear even	[02:29]
jayk	i heard you cant be profitable at $200-250	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	jayk you mean renting hash power ? that was never a good deal.	[02:31]
jayk	nope	[02:31]
jayk	self owned	[02:31]
jayk	i never liked the idea, and BFLY labs tried to do it	[02:31]
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mircea_popescu	what do you mean ? you got some miners in garage ?	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	yes turning them on is usually profitable.	[02:31]
jayk	nope, nothing yet	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	then depends what you pay for them.	[02:31]
jayk	or if you can get them	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	plenty for sale afaik	[02:32]
jayk	seems many places are hard to obtain, and kncminer doesnt sell equip anymore	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	aha	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	"It, together with smart contracts, has been let out of Pandora’s Box – never to return, never to be unlearned, no matter how badly some of us might want it to."	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	oh for crying out loud.	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	other things sharing the same properties, "the free lunch", "democracy", "you can do anything" etc.	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	just because particular memes are well suited to the mental vulnerabilities of the early mind and so are noteworthy to educators and psychiatrists does not mean they're also noteworthy to engineers.	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	proof of pizza, for fucks sake. all the money in pizza delivery is the god damned tips. nobody will ever deliver pizza to the sort of idiots who bicker about times randomly. if this is how it went, why not have "proof of latte" to make sure the barrista really did give you the latte.	[02:36]
jayk	there's a website for them	[02:36]
jayk	i got flamed for calling them pizza boy	[02:37]
jayk	:)	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	who, "them"	[02:37]
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jayk	the delivery people	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	what should you call them, pizza delivery worker ?	[02:37]
jayk	http://www.tipthepizzaguy.com/discussion/	[02:38]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1DxZbj3 )	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	williamdunne "The cost of enforcement of contracts grows over time as an increasing number of loopholes are found - as described in an article by Mircea Popescu" you know you could ~link it~ o.O	[02:38]
jayk	they get really pissy when you address them boy and not man	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	"* Beware of teenagers grouped in twos wearing hooded sweatshirts. Most criminals fit that description"	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	lolk.	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	"Be suspicious of pedestrians when you pull up to a house. Don't open your car door if people are nearby."	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	holy shit what country is this	[02:40]
jayk	i was in a casino with a bandana and i was asked to leave because i appeared to be a frightening gang member	[02:42]
cazalla	jayk, did ya refuse to take it off? bandana is as bad as feet on table tbh	[02:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41950 @ 0.00030347 = 12.7306 BTC [+] {2}	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	the last time an idiot "asked me to leave" i had the place torched.	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	da fuck is this shit.	[02:44]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, but did ya have ya bandana on with ya feet on the table?	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	mnope	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	i'm really the best customer anyone could ever have. i tip, there's hot chicks, the works.	[02:45]
cazalla	google for "jayk casino bandana" serves up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpDnFPYoWxw	[02:45]
assbot	CASINO(1995) GET YOUR FEET OFF THE TABLE - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Or8xro )	[02:45]
jayk	cazalla: i shaved my head and didn't like the way i looked	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	lol win	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	jayk prolly should have explained your name's pepe.	[02:46]
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mircea_popescu	!rate jayk 1 Noob	[02:49]
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mircea_popescu	!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.jayk.1:486e17533db78ce8c35a9aed04ec6c2e015f4f145af1c95a3188b499c90d6515	[02:50]
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cazalla	!up jayk	[02:50]
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jayk	https://scontent-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10386752_582362298543805_2330135579441782816_n.jpg?oh=87b63f5732878beee41e6429ce8196b1&oe=55CF0734	[02:50]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Dy0jU0 )	[02:50]
jayk	there's the bandana pic	[02:50]
jayk	though my hair had grown back by then	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	you don't really look like you have any business in a casino...	[02:51]
jayk	is it because	[02:51]
jayk	i...	[02:51]
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jayk	look like a duck farmer?	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	lol	[02:51]
cazalla	jayk, i get the bandana, free bird shit but c'mon, take hat/bandana off in a casino or any establishment for that manner	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	williamdunne "inheritence" that takes an a, and moreover, the entire "transfer reputation" thing is muddied at best.	[02:52]
jayk	girls were wearing them	[02:53]
jayk	so why can't i!	[02:53]
jayk	that's sexism man	[02:53]
*	jayk raises hell	[02:53]
cazalla	cause ya don't have tits	[02:53]
jayk	:(	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	this reminds me of scene where chick is told that she has to cover her head in church	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	so she removes her top (was a knotted square thing) and puts it on her head.	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	she is now covered, topless.	[02:53]
jayk	ha	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	they nearly fell over.	[02:54]
jayk	that's a good reason to go to a gay bar with your hot gf	[02:54]
jayk	hot lesbo chicks will lift up their shirts	[02:54]
jayk	trying to get your gf's attn	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	was some derpy greek orthodox thing on some island.	[02:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35650 @ 0.00028967 = 10.3267 BTC [-]	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	lesbianism is just shy foreplay anyway.	[02:56]
cazalla	greek orthodox eh, sure not latvian orthodox?	[02:56]
jayk	its generally not difficult to bum some action off a lesbian	[02:56]
jayk	my ex-gf's sister's gf had never seen a penis before	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	cazalla what, you think greek orthodoxy's made up ?	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	"Unfortunately unlike Bitcoin there is no reputation Trezor." << a) trezor's kinda dysfunctional/derpy ; b) of course there is. airgapped gpg.	[02:58]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, i guess so, figured you had the kavorka yourself but guess not :P	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	jayk so how did she know she was a lesbian ?	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	cazalla it's a thing, greece has > 9k islands, about half of them have a church on	[02:59]
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cazalla	;;ud kavorka	[03:00]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kavorka \| (Pronounced Kah-vor-kah) The Kavorka is a word which originated from the Latvian Orthodox. It means "the lure of the animal". It is described as a curse, making ...	[03:00]
jayk	she was dating my ex-gf's sister and had never been with a man, and told me she had never seen a penis before	[03:00]
jayk	so i took her to the beach and we stripped down	[03:00]
cazalla	jayk, beach sex is the shittiest sex in my experience	[03:00]
cazalla	literal sand in vag	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	yeah not great.	[03:01]
cazalla	what a fucking scam hollywood has going with the idea that sex on the beach is hawt	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	cazalla sex in tub not much better.	[03:01]
jayk	there are grassy parts	[03:01]
jayk	lol	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	but hey, they got all these things because can't show fucking on tv, because usians are retards.	[03:02]
midnightmagic	+1 shitty on beach :-/	[03:02]
midnightmagic	wind, water, and sand, all crappy	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	wait, you got sex in canada ?! and beaches ?!	[03:03]
midnightmagic	so they tell me	[03:03]
jayk	it ain't ideal, but would you turn it down with a lesbian?	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	i turn down so much sex...	[03:03]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, ya the taps, hitting ya head on that shit ain't fun	[03:04]
jayk	mirc...you are different...a romanian charlie sheen	[03:04]
cazalla	jayk, ya mean real butch lesbian types that ya can't get hard for or pretend 16 year old lesbian to get your attention so you fuck her straight?	[03:05]
jayk	she was pretty hot with big tits	[03:05]
cazalla	which are usually "bi" anyway	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	sounds more like the latter.	[03:05]
jayk	i've tried to find her on fb but i dont know what happened to her	[03:06]
jayk	ran away to saskatoon	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	" off the top of my head the United Kingdom, South Africa, Singapore, India, and China have instant and cheap (in many cases free) bank transfer systems." << nonsense. your example is SEPA. rest sucks by comparison. (or gyropay before that).	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	anyway williamdunne i see what you meant by "not as eloquent" :D	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	the good news being that if you stick to it, it'll improve.	[03:07]
jayk	are there any places that do instant ACH?	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	now do me a personal favour and ditch that retarded disqus thing	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	"We're going to co-opt the technology, OK? End. Of. Story." lolk.	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	!gettrust assbot menahem	[03:10]
assbot	Trust relationship from user assbot to user menahem: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=menahem \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/menahem/	[03:10]
mircea_popescu	!rate menahem 1 New blood	[03:11]
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mircea_popescu	!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.menahem.1:ef600b5ecdbf4fb4fc6975db6a8a625a670ccde4c18d5e5462f354dbec68aadb	[03:11]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for menahem with note: New blood	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell menahem you really don't know how to bother girls.	[03:13]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[03:13]
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mircea_popescu	in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7cgLu0PuQo	[04:24]
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cazalla	;;later tell bingoboingo what website does this one https://bitcoinnewsmagazine.com/ remind you of?	[04:58]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[04:58]
assbot	Bitcoin News Magazine - Cryptocurrency News and Reviews ... ( http://bit.ly/1FnvLsF )	[04:58]
cazalla	or anyone else for that matter	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	random shitty boost thing ?	[04:59]
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-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), send me "!up" in a private message to get an OTP. You must have a sufficient WoT rating. If you do not have a WoT account or sufficient rating, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary voice.	[09:46]
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mircea_popescu	Naphex that's consumer level stuff.	[09:50]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell williamdunne explain this difference between "1 btc = 1 btc" and "anyone and everyone being able to have a bitcoin wallet".	[09:53]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony "Secure connection: fatal error (80) from server. https://openalias.org/ An internal error occurred."	[09:54]
assbot	OpenAlias - Simplifying the World ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMR8hI )	[09:54]
fluffypony	wup wup	[09:54]
fluffypony	works for assbot	[09:55]
fluffypony	and for me	[09:55]
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fluffypony	I'm guessing the CloudFlare node you're hitting is being wonky	[09:55]
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fluffypony	it's a static site, so just use the archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20150403023536/https://openalias.org/	[09:56]
assbot	OpenAlias - Simplifying the World ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMRnZX )	[09:56]
mircea_popescu	$ curl https://openalias.org/	[09:57]
mircea_popescu	curl: (35) error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure	[09:57]
assbot	OpenAlias - Simplifying the World ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMR8hI )	[09:57]
mircea_popescu	what the hell ssl be you using	[09:57]
fluffypony	Quallys gives it an A+	[10:00]
fluffypony	https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=openalias.org&s=104.28.14.44&latest	[10:00]
assbot	SSL Server Test: openalias.org (Powered by Qualys SSL Labs) ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMRIvZ )	[10:00]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony that aside, how does this thing solve situatiosn where dns zones are ambiguous ? (say registrar and host don't match)	[10:00]
fluffypony	the registrar doesn't set DNS records, necessarily, only what the nameservers are (ie. SOA)	[10:01]
mircea_popescu	right	[10:01]
mircea_popescu	but it might.	[10:01]
fluffypony	since DNSSEC follows a signature chain back to the root zone your ISP's DNS server can't fake the record	[10:01]
mircea_popescu	(im still trying to understand exactly how this works)	[10:01]
fluffypony	or even pretend it doesn't exist	[10:01]
mircea_popescu	right.	[10:01]
fluffypony	that said, a DNSSEC fail is a soft fail (as not all zones support DNSSEC at this stage) - so it'll present the address for user validation	[10:02]
mircea_popescu	so it can't be used in unattended systems ?	[10:02]
fluffypony	as long as it treats a DNSSEC as a hard fail it can	[10:03]
mircea_popescu	"By leveraging DNSSEC we are able to prevent MITM-style attacks on an alias." doesn't tell me very much.	[10:03]
fluffypony	ok	[10:03]
mircea_popescu	"What is OpenAlias? OpenAlias seeks to provide a way to simplify aliasing amidst a rapidly shifting technology climate. " << i mean come on.	[10:03]
mircea_popescu	you folk gotta hire someone to do proper tech writing. there's nothing wrong with having sales copy,	[10:04]
mircea_popescu	but i gotta be able to figure out what stuff is too!	[10:04]
fluffypony	then skip the About section, that's all sales blurb :-P	[10:04]
mircea_popescu	ok but skip to where	[10:04]
fluffypony	Implement	[10:05]
mircea_popescu	ie "What is the application-side process?" ?	[10:05]
fluffypony	that's what you would do in your application if you were implementing lookups	[10:06]
fluffypony	or just run this: https://github.com/openalias/openalias-api	[10:06]
assbot	openalias/openalias-api · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMSngJ )	[10:07]
fluffypony	(preferably with dnscrypt-proxy running, and point it at that)	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	mkay. well i'm exiting this process with message "a project to provide bitcoin-deanonymizers with a domain-address pairing method, powered by the general public's expectations of convenience and lack of expectation of guarantees" which sums up to "fluff".	[10:10]
fluffypony	yes, hence why it was originally created for Monero, where your address is reusable	[10:10]
mircea_popescu	so if i posion dns cache, can i also steal payments for that domain ?	[10:11]
fluffypony	nope	[10:11]
fluffypony	not unless you have their DNSSEC private keys	[10:11]
mircea_popescu	suppose i do.	[10:11]
mircea_popescu	because you know, usg keeps a master key, or so the rumour goes.	[10:11]
fluffypony	well they could always use Namecoin instead	[10:12]
mircea_popescu	the complexity brtought about any attempt to implement "convenience" is outright staggering huh.	[10:12]
mircea_popescu	but anyway.	[10:12]
fluffypony	https://api.dnschain.net/v1/namecoin/key/d%2Farux	[10:13]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1z8lOi3 )	[10:13]
mircea_popescu	for that matter	[10:13]
mircea_popescu	;;isup http://www.dnssec.net/	[10:13]
gribble	http://www.dnssec.net/ is up	[10:13]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1z8lYpE )	[10:13]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[10:13]
mircea_popescu	doth not respond	[10:13]
fluffypony	doesn't work for me either	[10:15]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111833 << lmao No ?! ?! ?! could this be possibru ?!?!	[10:16]
assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 09:53:45; assbot: The Bot Bubble: Click Farms Have Inflated Social Media Currency \| The New Republic ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1Svx5 )	[10:16]
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mircea_popescu	and in the lines of drama : a few years ago the ro education ministry failed utterly at publishing natl highschool exams. so i hacked their shit and published the lists.	[10:22]
mircea_popescu	that's what'ever 100k kids, most of which idiots, names and all.	[10:22]
mircea_popescu	now there's about one a week bitching about how you know, this shouldn't exist!!11	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	most recently, http://trilema.com/2011/rezultate-la-bacalaureat-sesiunea-iunie-2011-judetul-tulcea/#comment-113907 "these information WERE of public interest but through the passage of time 'have become' private"	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	fancy that!	[10:23]
assbot	Rezultate la Bacalaureat, sesiunea Iunie 2011, judetul Tulcea on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z8oBYp )	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	im gonna erase history to satisfy the hopes and aspirations of the subhuman horde five minutes after i gangbang literal sows.	[10:24]
mircea_popescu	how about you know, doing a good fucking job at the exam, so you don't have to be ashamed of it a few years later.	[10:24]
mircea_popescu	dude is all "anyone can search and find out someone's marks, ~which do not represent the value of the respective person~".	[10:25]
mircea_popescu	why not ? cause fucktard so decided! nothing negative could ever represent these idiots' "twu vawue".	[10:25]
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scoopbot_revived	News! Female sexuality, human sexuality. URL: http://trilema.com/2015/female-sexuality-human-sexuality/	[11:31]
assbot	Female sexuality, human sexuality. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0AqzZ )	[11:31]
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menahem	mircea_popescu thanks for the vote of confidence.	[11:51]
menahem	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111775	[11:51]
assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 06:06:41; assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for menahem with note: New blood	[11:51]
menahem	as for http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111776	[11:52]
assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 06:08:42; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell menahem you really don't know how to bother girls.	[11:52]
menahem	lolol	[11:52]
menahem	i didn't know how far I should push it - mention her on twitter, etc.. maybe best to leave the heavy hand to you ? i'm too much of a luvva. but maybe my definition of luvvin is wrong.	[11:53]
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mircea_popescu	im trying to remember now what this was about	[12:04]
menahem	!rate mircea_popescu 2 bitcoin sage. pimp of all pimps.	[12:04]
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mircea_popescu	oh	[12:05]
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mircea_popescu	"This took a bit for the stupidity to really sink in. Like, sink sink in. Her comment “I have to say I don’t really appreciate reading something like that and would prefer a much more constructive discussion about web payments” is the absolute peak of the stupidity. " << this was the problem	[12:05]
mircea_popescu	makes no sense.	[12:05]
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menahem	hmm	[12:06]
menahem	lemme re-read	[12:06]
mircea_popescu	for one thing, it isn't the peak of stupidty. for the other thing, making pronouncements like that dun work. you gotta show, not tell.	[12:06]
menahem	ok. would a comparative example work ?	[12:08]
menahem	to show ?	[12:08]
mircea_popescu	like how ?	[12:08]
mircea_popescu	here's another thing that doesn't work : "The worst part, is Torrie Fischer is competent with PGP 4. My advice to her, is" << the problem being that i can readily see her cv, but i don't see yours. from whence do you give her advice ? this jars.	[12:09]
menahem	hmm, often in your posts you provide a secondary story. in this case (RIPple), the congenital defect. which is often my visual takeaway on your point.	[12:10]
menahem	ahh k, fair enough on last point.	[12:10]
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mircea_popescu	menahem "like how?" as in, show me how it would go. quote this putative comparative exampler ?	[12:11]
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menahem	show me how it would go... is that a 'constructive discussion' by her definition ?	[12:26]
asciilifeform	further c3ism: anyone posted a summary of the 'fuel filters' conversation ?	[12:27]
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menahem	i gotta go.. thanks for time + insight thus far.	[12:35]
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jurov	!up Cory	[13:52]
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williamdunne	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111853 <<< There is a night club with free drinks, but only if you can get past the bounder	[13:52]
assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 12:48:59; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell williamdunne explain this difference between "1 btc = 1 btc" and "anyone and everyone being able to have a bitcoin wallet".	[13:52]
williamdunne	*bouncer	[13:52]
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asciilifeform	and "anyone and everyone being able to have a bitcoin wallet" << l0l, no computer needed, aha	[13:56]
asciilifeform	(sign tx with paper & pen ?)	[13:56]
williamdunne	Sure, it doesn't care who you are so long as you have keys and the ability to sign	[13:57]
williamdunne	Which is very different to say, requiring you to be of a certain nationality, not be doing certain types of business etc	[13:57]
asciilifeform	aha context must've been a comparison with fiat?	[13:58]
williamdunne	If a club lets anyone in, so long as they can travel to the club its not exactly discriminatory, just a matter of practicality	[13:58]
williamdunne	Correct	[13:58]
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mircea_popescu	williamdunne essentially, "fungible" and "non discriminatory" are the same thing.	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	if your coin is not fungible you're discriminating	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	if you're discriminating your coin's not fungible.	[14:16]
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williamdunne	Sure no, but most people would call dollars fungible - even though they certainly are not	[14:17]
williamdunne	Maybe I'm trying to pander to most people too much	[14:17]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, general point stands.	[14:19]
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williamdunne	Definitely, just working on getting the library working	[14:21]
williamdunne	#b-a library ofc	[14:21]
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williamdunne	Naphex: Thanks for the rate	[14:30]
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scoopbot_revived	News! Furious Seven URL: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/26/furious-seven/	[15:06]
assbot	Furious Seven \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzpuWe )	[15:06]
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danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111771 << the first link does not work from public log because of some weird character	[15:19]
assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 06:05:52; assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user menahem: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=menahem \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/menahem/	[15:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22644 @ 0.00031134 = 7.05 BTC [+]	[15:20]
ben_vulpes	... btcalpha << ty kako!	[15:22]
danielpbarron	also, links with capital letters do not work	[15:22]
danielpbarron	!gettrust Naphex	[15:22]
assbot	Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user Naphex: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=danielpbarron&to=Naphex \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Naphex/	[15:22]
danielpbarron	!gettrust naphex	[15:23]
assbot	Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user naphex: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=danielpbarron&to=naphex \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/naphex/	[15:23]
ben_vulpes	;;later tell mike_c ^^	[15:23]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[15:23]
ben_vulpes	https://twitter.com/uncledynamite/status/592388957201166337	[15:28]
assbot	your turn billy http://t.co/dhBjFcF06F	[15:28]
Pierre_Rochard	!rate williamdunne 1 revived scoopbot	[15:28]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/8e6665b35e9fe5e0	[15:28]
Pierre_Rochard	!v assbot:Pierre_Rochard.rate.williamdunne.1:0a171d14955bc7ad814bf5aca105cb7a0324697471922db6349da4d27aa5066a	[15:29]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for williamdunne with note: revived scoopbot	[15:29]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111518 << come peacetime we can make a monastery	[15:31]
assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 04:01:49; trinque: it's a wonder I can hit the toilet with my ass	[15:31]
ben_vulpes	first three months will be dedicated to sweeping floors and staring at a brick "lisp machine"	[15:31]
ben_vulpes	engaging in koan volleys	[15:32]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111548 << like that cemetary caretaker, eh?	[15:33]
assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 04:18:08; asciilifeform: but engineers who take an intense interest in 'in the end' tend to build autoguillotines.	[15:33]
danielpbarron	!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.williamdunne.2:784f6dad632657543840ccf0dcba845b0e879f505eb81f8fcaa7aaba80ecb2dc	[15:33]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 2 for williamdunne with note: formerly mrwdunne with rating +1 : May 23, 2014 chatted with me in the counterwallet troll box; patient fellow.	[15:33]
williamdunne	Thank you Pierre and Daniel	[15:34]
danielpbarron	!v assbot:danielpbarron.unrate.mrwdunne:5e0a71014684089ab1c6e788cccd8bb68ea6206d4849295550b4da98bda91fcd	[15:35]
williamdunne	!rate Pierre_Rochard 2 Work at SNI, great articles	[15:35]
assbot	Successfully unrated mrwdunne	[15:35]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/afa6b0fd0f7968b0	[15:35]
williamdunne	!rate Pierre_Rochard 2 Work at SNI, great articles	[15:35]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6b6e404c8c91fbbc	[15:35]
williamdunne	!v assbot:williamdunne.rate.Pierre_Rochard.2:8d6d6b787cedef3421140d9a006a95197fd585085a8f816afbbf1ec65bdc9e28	[15:36]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 2 for Pierre_Rochard with note: Work at SNI, great articles	[15:36]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111569 << i've mentioned them several times, just...everyone's blocking them out	[15:36]
assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 04:29:22; asciilifeform: and l0l, apparently no one mentioned the matchsticks. so let this count as mention.	[15:36]
williamdunne	!rate danielpbarron 2 While may have some strong opinions I disagree with, would trust him	[15:36]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/756c5474c290d834	[15:36]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: can you see the fnords, though?	[15:37]
danielpbarron	what opinions do you disagree with?	[15:37]
williamdunne	!v assbot:williamdunne.rate.danielpbarron.2:6bf39732a1cd1dfac708d3310d855f22aa74d10f9a43d6c231a246654aaa7f73	[15:37]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 2 for danielpbarron with note: While may have some strong opinions I disagree with, would trust him	[15:37]
williamdunne	danielpbarron: Religious ones mostly, nothing we will sway each other from	[15:37]
danielpbarron	ah	[15:38]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111575 << the UP20s go for 15-35K used, depending on how nice they are: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motoman-UP-20-Industrieroboter-20kg-Tragkraft-/131480057745?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item1e9cd27791	[15:41]
assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 04:34:06; mircea_popescu: seems nuts. 1% of new price if used ?	[15:41]
assbot	Motoman Up 20 Industrieroboter 20kg Tragkraft \| eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dq7dtg )	[15:41]
danielpbarron	I made changes to this page regarding the switch from gribble to assbot -> http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets	[15:42]
assbot	first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5SsCt )	[15:42]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111733 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-04-2015#1110717 poor kid's getting it coming and going	[15:47]
assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 05:53:14; mircea_popescu: "Unfortunately unlike Bitcoin there is no reputation Trezor." << a) trezor's kinda dysfunctional/derpy ; b) of course there is. airgapped gpg.	[15:48]
assbot	Logged on 25-04-2015 20:37:37; ben_vulpes: http://thethug.life/reputation-commodity-exchange/#fn:1 << bro do you even airgap?	[15:48]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111681 << I was once a pizza delivery guy, and refused to make a delivery to one house in particular that was only accessible through a labyrinth of junk leading to its backyard	[15:52]
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assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 05:35:38; mircea_popescu: "Be suspicious of pedestrians when you pull up to a house. Don't open your car door if people are nearby."	[15:52]
ben_vulpes	[11:50] News! Short Term Update URL: https://btctrading.wordpress.com/2015/04/26/short-term-update-21/ << to bitcoin-pricetalk with ye	[15:53]
assbot	Short Term Update \| Bitcoin Trading Signals ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3ZYQW )	[15:53]
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jurov	;;later tell pete_dushenski title pic of contravex is quite a hog and despite the size still has jpg artifacts, i'd recommend converting original to png and running through pngquant	[16:40]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[16:40]
jurov	that's me procrastinating by running pnquant on stuff....	[16:41]
jurov	also, yest log featurng Naphex is yummy :)	[16:42]
williamdunne	I'm currently in the process of over-engineering SccopBot while adding the library features, any requests for features?	[16:44]
jurov	add s/bitcoin/buttcoin	[16:45]
jurov	filter	[16:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66092 @ 0.00030667 = 20.2684 BTC [-]	[16:46]
jurov	but really, maybe a function to add feeds by lordship?	[16:46]
jurov	(jus' to have you develop asswot interface i can snitch :DDD)	[16:47]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110314 <<< this is just the default manner wordpress creates an archive page, i think, unless bb made changes << Borrowed the code from a plugin. Same style also used on thedrinkingrecord	[16:47]
assbot	Logged on 25-04-2015 18:27:00; mircea_popescu: cazalla dude the http://qntra.net/archives/ page kicks ass.	[16:47]
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williamdunne	jurov: How would I scrape the lordship? Isn't it decided by more than just rep?	[16:49]
williamdunne	jurov: AssWot is just a bunch of JSON data - shouldn't be too hard for you to implement, no?	[16:50]
BingoBoingo	williamdunne: It's entirely assbot's L1 trustlist	[16:50]
williamdunne	Ahhh that makes sense	[16:50]
jurov	http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/trustlist.txt	[16:50]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GvRcXj )	[16:50]
williamdunne	Yeah see thats a bit harder to parse.. not exactly clean data	[16:51]
jurov	but you only really need to query http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/	[16:51]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GvRgq3 )	[16:51]
jurov	for this case	[16:51]
jurov	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot << doc	[16:52]
assbot	irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1MrI0nG )	[16:52]
williamdunne	Sure, but I need to have a feed of all their names not gonna just brutefoce it	[16:52]
williamdunne	*bruteforce	[16:53]
williamdunne	Which surely makes the whole thing redundant, no?	[16:53]
jurov	why? you only need to check the wot in the moment a request is made	[16:53]
jurov	but if you want to parse the whole list, yw	[16:53]
jurov	best if you can do it in python :DDD	[16:54]
williamdunne	Aha sorry not doing it in Python	[16:54]
williamdunne	So with ScoopBot you're proposing that someone on the Lordship list could add their blog to his reading material	[16:55]
jurov	Yes.	[16:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102250 @ 0.00030737 = 31.4286 BTC [+]	[16:55]
jurov	Or maybe remove, too	[16:55]
williamdunne	Ah okay, yeah I see how that would be do-able	[16:56]
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jurov	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111220 what? converting a quarter to timestamp? people are weird	[17:23]
assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 01:18:03; Pierre_Rochard: williamdunne: had a similar head against wall bug yesterday, in pgsql: to_timestamp(‘2014-2’, ‘YYYY-Q’), doesn’t work because the docs clearly state “quarter (ignored by to_date and to_timestamp)” but it was three hours of desperate refactoring before I actually read them.	[17:23]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: lol at that resemblance	[17:24]
Pierre_Rochard	doing the conversion to sum up debits and credits, can’t wait to release :). It’s written in python with flask + sqlalchemy	[17:25]
jurov	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZyHI0wo8Pk love parade eurotrash generation	[17:29]
assbot	Marusha Love Parade 1998 HD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QxhT3z )	[17:29]
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oglafbot	http://oglaf.com/slodging/	[17:34]
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jurov	what? cunts run perl? had to reread. and then again. hahahahaHAHAHA	[17:40]
jurov	pity it isn't bashable	[17:40]
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jurov	bashed anyway	[17:42]
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jurov	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111472 obviously "computer" science is concerned with computing. biology is concerned with adaptation. not really comparable.	[17:50]
assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 03:50:42; asciilifeform: that may be. i'm just pointing out that biology offers a very significant challenge to theoretical cs. << i must confess, that i am at a loss as to which aspects of meat we should like to replicate in machines: intransigence? toe fungus? pneumonia? schizophrenia?	[17:50]
jurov	perhaps the word mircea_popescu wants is "cybernetics" in its original meaning but it kinda went the way of vitalism	[17:52]
williamdunne	Can someone please do me a favour and send scoop_testbot a PM saying !test	[17:53]
jurov	it replied nothing	[17:54]
williamdunne	Damn	[17:55]
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mats	lol	[17:56]
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jurov	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111608 << it'll eat at least $10/mo electricity and dunno if i could get anyone pay even that much	[18:04]
assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 05:05:24; trinque: way better than a piddly ec2 micro/small/medium instance eh?	[18:04]
jurov	(not to mention share of dc costs)	[18:04]
jurov	in our condo are unused rooms, maybe i can fill one with oil, submerge the machines and use the heat to heat whole house	[18:06]
jurov	i can't imagine how to convince the neighbors, tho. and it'll need to get switched off in the summer.	[18:06]
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jurov	well, there's a hot water needed year round, but not so much in the night, either...	[18:08]
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williamdunne	jurov: Jurov can you PM scoop !test again please	[18:12]
jurov	this is a test	[18:13]
williamdunne	Cheers	[18:13]
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trinque	jurov \| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111608 << it'll eat at least $10/mo electricity << the idea would be that the customer is paying for the privilege of their own box, should come at a premium above what a VM costs	[18:29]
assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 05:05:24; trinque: way better than a piddly ec2 micro/small/medium instance eh?	[18:29]
trinque	I'd pay for it.	[18:29]
jurov	$10 is already a premium for that spec	[18:29]
trinque	I disagree entirely.	[18:30]
williamdunne	I'd pay for it	[18:30]
trinque	that there's another inferior product on the market which is cheap because of an ignored risk being dumped on the customer shouldn't inform the price of a product that does what it claims	[18:31]
jurov	http://www.online.net/en/dedicated-server/dedibox-scg2 << similar dedi box	[18:31]
assbot	Dedibox® SC gen2 - Online.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvZrTc )	[18:31]
jurov	williamdunne: would you pay $20 instead?	[18:31]
trinque	ah you're criticizing blades in particular?	[18:31]
jurov	i'm not criticizing anything	[18:32]
jurov	just doing the math	[18:32]
williamdunne	jurov: I'd need to know the exact specs, but $20 for some bare metal - sure	[18:32]
jurov	williamdunne: stats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111605	[18:32]
assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 05:05:00; trinque: mircea_popescu \| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2015#1110960 << quite possibru. << http://www.ebay.com/itm/RLX-System-600ex-Xeon-CPU-Blade-2-8GHz-x-2-1GB-60GB-HD-/170369036116?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27aac92f54 big time	[18:32]
trinque	urov \| i'm not criticizing anything << well sure you are, but there's no harm in that	[18:33]
trinque	*jurov	[18:33]
trinque	what I want is a host that provides physical boxes that aren't that powerful, are cheap, but are not joined at the brainstem to other systems	[18:33]
williamdunne	jurov: Fuck yeah I'd pay $20 for that. I thought you meant something roughly equiv to a rPi. With a well optimized site you could get a k reqs a second on that	[18:34]
trinque	and provides similar spin-up/spin-down features seen in the Xen scene, without the braindamage	[18:34]
williamdunne	Although I'd want it to be somewhere out of US reach	[18:34]
trinque	being able to declare infrastructure and have it online quick is awesome	[18:34]
trinque	no reason that has to be done with virtualization	[18:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125791 @ 0.00029856 = 37.5562 BTC [-] {2}	[18:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26318 @ 0.00030206 = 7.9496 BTC [+]	[18:38]
jurov	okay. there are new miniitx mobos with ECC support, i suppose the higher price would pay off	[18:42]
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jurov	woould you be ok with atom cpu?	[18:43]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1112018 << no homo ?	[18:45]
assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 18:27:10; ben_vulpes: engaging in koan volleys	[18:45]
williamdunne	jurov: Personally? yes. Not sure about others, branding isn't great (which unfortunately seems to matter)	[18:45]
jurov	i've got miniitx with celeron, thrown gentoo on it and was impressed how quickly it compiled	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron: I made changes to << gj.	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	jurov lol you do have a point with the pic.	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	$ curl -I http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/images/bg_oct2012.jpg	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	Content-Length: 42987	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	$ curl -I http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/contravex-header-mosaic-bold.jpg	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	Content-Length: 589986	[18:53]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1zaSmI1 )	[18:53]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1zaSnf1 )	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	and this isn't even getting to the part where contravex specifies no cache control	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	(protip : max-age=0 tells agents they should revalidate. no-cache tells them they MUST revalidate, which in many broken implementation works out to no revalidation, just downloading it again)	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	jurov snitch is when you do what charlie shrem did. snatch is what you had in mind (means cunt, but also what aliens to do bodies).	[18:59]
jurov	eh	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	yeeeees ? :D	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1112089 << dude, stop futzing with it, it's good as it is.	[19:02]
assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 19:50:08; williamdunne: So with ScoopBot you're proposing that someone on the Lordship list could add their blog to his reading material	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	do something else with your energy.	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1112107 << and to think you said ~Naphex~ was yummy!	[19:06]
assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 20:35:11; jurov: what? cunts run perl? had to reread. and then again. hahahahaHAHAHA	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	i think i managed to botehr the shit out of gabriel_laddel	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1112113 << this is in no sense obvious, and you'll have your life's work before you even showing that distinction is at all meaningful.	[19:10]
assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 20:45:54; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111472 obviously "computer" science is concerned with computing. biology is concerned with adaptation. not really comparable.	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	first stop, "but cunts dispense souls!"	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	other than that, aglass of water is a computational machine.	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	it computes the positions of ~10^26 water molecules + some impurities.	[19:11]
jurov	not necessarily.	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	which part ?	[19:12]
jurov	under current quantum mechanics model it was proven these molecules are indistinguishable	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	it still computes a water level.	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	and that they're indistinguishable doesn't really make all that difference. there's no rule computation must be discrete.	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	ask alf	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1112153 << he's in slovakia.	[19:14]
assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 21:29:55; williamdunne: Although I'd want it to be somewhere out of US reach	[19:14]
williamdunne	mircea_popescu: Good nuff'	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1112155 << this is a very good point not made nearly often enough.	[19:15]
assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 21:30:17; trinque: no reason that has to be done with virtualization	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	usg.nsa loves "virtualization", but it's by no means the only way to skin that cube.	[19:15]
trinque	mircea_popescu: your point about fake security barriers in operating systems turned many gears in my skull	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	i used to say b-a increases one's iq by a good chunk of points	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	it's like being plugged into mechanical chtulhu	[19:16]
trinque	indeed.	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	speaking of current quantum mechanics : waveforms! http://31.media.tumblr.com/6a663937b21d2ca5abdf98b967b5a7be/tumblr_nblz1293Rg1qg7xwvo1_500.gif	[19:17]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1zaZeFh )	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	"a machine to turn penis projectile vibration into eyelash flutter"	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	i think ima collect the cunts-on-perl discussion. it's pretty good!	[19:20]
jurov	maybe the only difference is computer science was constructed from mathematical (or not very mathematical, like strings) ideas, where cunts evolved themselves somehow	[19:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34144 @ 0.00030206 = 10.3135 BTC [+]	[19:23]
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mircea_popescu	!up TheButterZone	[19:29]
-assbot-	You voiced TheButterZone for 30 minutes.	[19:29]
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mircea_popescu	!gettrust assbot TheButterZone	[19:29]
assbot	Trust relationship from user assbot to user TheButterZone: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=TheButterZone \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/TheButterZone/	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	you can self-voice, just pm assbot "!up	[19:29]
TheButterZone	ok thanks	[19:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69050 @ 0.0003059 = 21.1224 BTC [+]	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V53hjc0LbVY	[19:31]
assbot	Diablo 2 Cinematic - Act 2 - Desert Journey - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zb3C7b )	[19:32]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.0003059 = 6.9745 BTC [+]	[19:57]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85177 @ 0.0003059 = 26.0556 BTC [+]	[20:20]
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scoopbot_revived	News! Quantum Mechanics Today : A Machine To Turn Penis Projectile Vibration Into Eyelash Flutter URL: http://trilema.com/2015/quantum-mechanics-today-a-machine-to-turn-penis-projectile-vibration-into-eyelash-flutter/	[20:41]
assbot	Quantum Mechanics Today : A Machine To Turn Penis Projectile Vibration Into Eyelash Flutter on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FpcYgB )	[20:41]
trinque	mp: I did commit the equivalent of showing up with a flamethrower at a figure skating competition, "what move is that! IT LITERALLY MELTED THE ICE!11" << ahahaha my sides	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:47]
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mike_c	kakobrekla: you see this? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2015#1111771	[20:57]
assbot	Logged on 26-04-2015 06:05:52; assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user menahem: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=menahem \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/menahem/	[20:57]
mike_c	the pipe is getting included in the link	[20:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14481 @ 0.00030638 = 4.4367 BTC [+]	[21:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.0003059 = 7.464 BTC [-]	[21:13]
BingoBoingo	"Crop Dessication" http://www.ithaka-journal.net/herbizide-im-urin?lang=en	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	soo... 7.9 earthquake in nepal, kerry announces "us pledges $1mn".	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	out of money much ?	[21:20]
BingoBoingo	likely	[21:20]
BingoBoingo	glyphosate is almost a nutrient nao: "The study found glyphosate in all urine samples at values ranging from 0.5 to 2 ng glyphosate per ml urine (drinking water limit: 0.1 ng / ml). None of the examinees had direct contact with agriculture."	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	in related news, http://31.media.tumblr.com/e6c03a0d3d7be2eb9a2cc8c354944fd0/tumblr_nbbcb7HBsH1tv1347o1_400.gif	[21:29]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1zbBm4C )	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	they're rounding her up.	[21:29]
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williamdunne	Now thats not a fetish I can understand	[21:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45027 @ 0.00030891 = 13.9093 BTC [+] {2}	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	https://8ch.net/pol/res/1815910.html << just another cult.	[21:41]
assbot	/pol/ - The truth about shills: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zbEjSB )	[21:41]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell pete_dushenski check this shit out http://trilema.com/2015/stop-all-the-clocks-again/#comment-113916	[22:28]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:28]
assbot	Stop all the clocks (again) on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FpuRvW )	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	!up TheButterZone	[22:28]
-assbot-	You voiced TheButterZone without time-limit.	[22:28]
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mircea_popescu	dude, the whisper thing fucking works.	[22:28]
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menahem	TheButterZone if you start making more tracks, I'mma get in on that!	[23:06]
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mike_c	;;later tell danielpbarron http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/NAPHEX/	[23:59]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[23:59]
assbot	naphex WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJptqj )	[23:59]

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