Forum logs for 25 Jun 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
decimation heh yeah [00:00]
decimation what I mean is that intel, for instance, just puts all their chips on the 'let's shrink dies' side [00:00]
decimation no one is re-thinking big picture [00:00]
decimation not that we would know it anyway, because of the nda problem [00:00]
asciilifeform actually the thing they put 'all their chips' is collaboration with microshit and the entire criminal pyramid [00:00]
asciilifeform the 'shrink dies' thing is pure sideshow. [00:01]
decimation it yields a few percent per year [00:01]
asciilifeform it is done ~solely~ so that microshit gets to release winblows $year [00:01]
asciilifeform with 20% more empty loops [00:01]
asciilifeform and 'indian' code [00:02]
decimation note that microsoft has dropped price of windows to $0 [00:02]
decimation even though it's really worth negative [00:02]
asciilifeform eventually will have to pay folks to touch it [00:02]
mircea_popescu and they will. [00:02]
mircea_popescu perfect way for the living wage introduction. [00:02]
decimation the only thing I use winblows for is to record tv shows, because they give free listing service [00:02]
mircea_popescu "pay people to use windows, to better technologee" [00:02]
decimation this was dropped in new windwos [00:03]
mircea_popescu exact equivalent of mcdonalds [00:03]
mircea_popescu which is the eventual fate of all government agencies. [00:03]
mircea_popescu fed to pleb fake money conveyor. [00:03]
asciilifeform this is already happening. but, as william gibson wrote, 'the future is here, but not evenly distributed.' [00:03]
mircea_popescu right [00:03]
asciilifeform i have winblows box. solely to run malware. which is one of the things i am paid for. [00:03]
decimation heh [00:03]
asciilifeform so in effect i am 'paid to touch it' [00:03]
mircea_popescu and you will be telling me about how hard it is to escape, right, because moving off windows will require "someone to provide the lost income" [00:03]
mircea_popescu and i will just nod and carry on. [00:03]
decimation asciilifeform: you almost need real metal box, because of all the vm detection [00:03]
asciilifeform decimation: aha [00:04]
asciilifeform decimation: of course they are specially designated physical boxes. [00:04]
asciilifeform decimation: i actually work for a firm which builds computers solely for this purpose [00:04]
asciilifeform believe or not. [00:04]
decimation ideally someone would make one with a button to freeze and dump all registers [00:04]
asciilifeform and guess what. [00:05]
mircea_popescu this must exist. [00:05]
asciilifeform it does. [00:05]
asciilifeform i built it. [00:05]
mircea_popescu haha cool. [00:05]
decimation I believe it, you could make lots of headway against malware if you can control its hardware environment [00:05]
mats would love to read that secret sauce [00:05]
asciilifeform decimation: thing is, we discovered that not many folks are really eager to 'make headway against malware' [00:05]
asciilifeform they just want to collect the bezzle [00:05]
mats have dreamed of a usable reversible debugger for many moons [00:05]
mircea_popescu curious if mats gets hired now. [00:06]
decimation sure, why bother actually finding malware when people will pay you to pretend [00:06]
asciilifeform not many ~want~ to find [00:06]
asciilifeform because when you ~find~ strange, now you have to properly reverse it, document... [00:06]
asciilifeform and then it turns out to be usg-authored, and then what [00:06]
asciilifeform (who pays?) [00:06]
decimation heh [00:06]
decimation you could sell to another arm of usg [00:06]
asciilifeform so far, they ain't buying. [00:07]
mircea_popescu o yeah. definitely already here but not evenly distributed. [00:07]
mircea_popescu usg on usg love. [00:07]
asciilifeform for same reason, e.g., microshit isn't [00:07]
decimation asciilifeform: a large reason why this problem exists is becuase you can't sue microsoft for damaging your shit [00:07]
asciilifeform decimation: naturally [00:07]
mircea_popescu o yea. [00:08]
asciilifeform decimation: but only proximately. [00:08]
mats externalizing costs is how software engineers have jobs [00:08]
asciilifeform yes, they exempted software 'industry' from ~all~ consumer liability laws in '80s. [00:08]
asciilifeform but if only this. since then, an entire class of vermin sprang up [00:08]
asciilifeform who pretend to 'write software' [00:08]
mats much unlike a civil engineer responsible for faulty bridgeworks... [00:08]
decimation and now the 'rats run the ship' [00:08]
asciilifeform the notion that any kind of animal is even possible other than rat, is held to be a lunatic fringe thing [00:08]
decimation even simple programmers know what it would take to write bug-free code [00:09]
decimation about 100x less 'production' and 100x more 'thinking' [00:09]
decimation in fact, to even seriously consider writing software for which you are liable is to instantly consider dumping the existing c-machine [00:10]
mats while i'm on the subject here is there useful reversible debugging you're aware of, asciilifeform? [00:11]
mats gdb can kinda do it, but its slow and buggy. [00:11]
asciilifeform decimation: the folks who have 'must work' as hard requirement still prefer the whole 'spend ten years with magnifying glass' to 'rethink computing' [00:11]
mats rr is neat but limited... reversedb is limited to linux. [00:11]
mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/572468782057013248/WtdCdJXG_400x400.jpeg << /me notices how this guy is always in this quad double-dating sort of situation, but apparently always with a different gal. [00:11]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcT5tU ) [00:11]
mircea_popescu swingin' london. [00:11]
mats vmware got rid of record/replay after vmware 7 [00:11]
asciilifeform mats: what, precisely, do you need reverse-gear for ? [00:11]
asciilifeform mats: what's wrong with rewinding by running proggy again [00:11]
mircea_popescu mats gdb is what eulora uses if that makes you feel any better. [00:11]
asciilifeform to whatever breakpoint [00:11]
mats slow [00:12]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: gdb is what the entire free world uses [00:12]
asciilifeform at least in one form or another [00:12]
decimation asciilifeform: my own experience is that it's way more difficult to paper over shitty hardware in software than to make reliable hardware [00:12]
mats i want to easily see the values of all registers (as noted before) including bit flags, fp registers, ... [00:12]
asciilifeform mats: my favourite graphical skin on gdb is... ida. [00:12]
asciilifeform yes, ida. [00:12]
mats figures [00:12]
mircea_popescu ha [00:12]
decimation mats: you could probably do this with valgrind too [00:12]
asciilifeform it speaks 100% compliant gdb wire protocol [00:12]
asciilifeform decimation: valgrind is not a debugger [00:13]
decimation yeah but it does emulate x86, I gotta think someone has integrated debug [00:13]
asciilifeform mno. doesn't emulate anything [00:13]
asciilifeform must be confusing it with somethig else? [00:13]
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asciilifeform mats: ida is a total monopoly on the kind of thing that it is, bar none. i don't know of any other product category anywhere in modern industry where there is ~ONE~ thing [00:14]
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asciilifeform possibly 'mpex' [00:14]
asciilifeform that's pretty much it. [00:14]
asciilifeform the two of them. [00:14]
decimation ah yeah http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/manual-core-adv.html#manual-core-adv.gdbserver [00:14]
assbot Valgrind ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jk8H14 ) [00:14]
mats asciilifeform: i don't have anything specific in mind. have been developing my talents in exploitation but i'm kind of stuck as to how to move forward [00:14]
decimation but anway if you want to reverse software you need ida [00:14]
asciilifeform decimation: whatddayaknow, there is emulator. [00:14]
asciilifeform neato [00:14]
mats asciilifeform: i should probably sign up to be jr malware analyst or some such thing. [00:14]
asciilifeform mats: if you have the stomach ! [00:15]
decimation mats: i think there's a free version of ida for download [00:15]
decimation ancient [00:15]
mats i'm from the internets, why settle for free [00:15]
decimation well, I'm also sure there's warez too [00:15]
mats plenty of working license files floating [00:15]
mats or however that works. [00:16]
asciilifeform reasonably recent ida (having, e.g., 'hexray' plugin, more or less mandatory, and support for weird cpus, etc) is notoriously scarce on warez [00:16]
asciilifeform why? story is: irfan guilfanov builds custom copy for each buyer. [00:16]
asciilifeform who 'leaks' - is damned publicly and never dealt with again, has to buy support via shills [00:16]
decimation heh [00:17]
asciilifeform ilfak guilfanov. [00:17]
mircea_popescu if only the guy could join teh wot. [00:17]
asciilifeform ask'im [00:17]
mircea_popescu i dun know 'im [00:17]
asciilifeform but iirc he sold the firm years ago [00:17]
asciilifeform now sits in belgium, angry [00:17]
decimation this sounds like the best mechanism for trying to enforce 'copyright' I've heard of [00:17]
mats its pretty easy to say 'well i got hacked plz gief another one' [00:18]
decimation asciilifeform: I bet you could control valgrind gdb with ida [00:18]
mircea_popescu mats same could be said re btc. [00:18]
decimation set breakpoints on mem leaks, etc [00:18]
asciilifeform the folks who own it now are profoundly aware of their position. you pretty much have to beg repeatedly to so much as be given an address to which to mail the cheque [00:18]
asciilifeform to buy a copy [00:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform maybe wot is the pill to no longer be angry. [00:19]
asciilifeform mats: 'got hacked' gets same treatment as 'leaked deliberately' [00:19]
asciilifeform maybe [00:19]
* asciilifeform doesn't know the chap personally, can't help find him [00:19]
* mircea_popescu waves in the general direction of the ethers [00:19]
decimation asciilifeform: once you add a few more zeros to your bank account, probably can't be bothered with a few extra $k [00:19]
asciilifeform incidentally, 'ida' is a beast quite like 'bitcoind' [00:19]
mircea_popescu so i hear. [00:19]
asciilifeform terrible, monumentally stinking cpp turd [00:19]
asciilifeform to which there is no realistic alternative [00:19]
mircea_popescu /you are not expected to understand this [00:19]
asciilifeform decimation: understand, every 'legit' corp. on the planet which employs reverse-engineers, incl. the arms of usg, buys ida. [00:20]
mats most of the serious dudes i know have non-attributed ida licenses [00:20]
asciilifeform sure. [00:20]
mats which can be easily done by setting up a shell corp, or just lie. [00:20]
asciilifeform didn't say they buy one for each man! [00:20]
decimation why bother with attribution? [00:21]
asciilifeform thing is, it's attributed whether it displays your name or not [00:21]
decimation yeah, unless you are sending envelope of cash, he has your checking account [00:22]
asciilifeform vendor knows for whom the build (with particular order of static linked internals, etc) was built [00:22]
asciilifeform to really deal with this, would have to obtain a number of builds, and unravel the scheme [00:22]
asciilifeform afaik no one has ever bothered (why?) [00:22]
decimation because it would be like paying for the sun [00:22]
asciilifeform phun phakt: ~explotable~ crashes have been discovered in (some versions of) ida. [00:24]
asciilifeform *exploitable [00:24]
decimation as in, malicious? [00:24]
decimation or as in, can be exploited if reversing the wrong warez? [00:25]
asciilifeform as in arbitrary code exec as result of crafted sample [00:25]
decimation heh [00:25]
asciilifeform this did not annoy folks as much as it should have because until recently (linux ver. is new) everyone ran it on a designated turdbox with the other wincrap [00:25]
decimation asciilifeform: if you had a winblows computer for malware, it would also be useful to hit another button and display a complete diff between running state and 'known good' state [00:25]
asciilifeform ...and guess what.. [00:26]
decimation and a third button that reverts machine to known state [00:27]
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asciilifeform and guess what. [00:27]
decimation already implemented? [00:27]
asciilifeform aha [00:27]
decimation on a vaguely related note, I found an amusing show on 'the weather channel' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1gZSNdkajY [00:28]
assbot Prospectors | S01E01 | Breaking the Dry Spell - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcVGEr ) [00:28]
asciilifeform a bit oversimplified description, but yes, we make this. [00:28]
decimation apparently there are people who spend their time trying to find minerals on federal land [00:28]
asciilifeform l0l what do they get? tax break ? [00:28]
decimation but since nobody is printing crystals, etc they can make $$ [00:28]
decimation asciilifeform: no mainly through nobody's doing, apparently it is still legal in the us to 'claim' federal land for mining [00:29]
decimation land open to this is mainly west of the mississippi [00:29]
asciilifeform wait till somebody finds something worth stealing [00:29]
asciilifeform then - poof. [00:29]
decimation yeah that's a whole episode [00:29]
decimation trying to get usg to care about your 'property rights' [00:30]
asciilifeform see and i didn't even need to watch it [00:30]
decimation in fact, it seems to me that claiming the land is counterproductive, just because it shows 'where to dig' [00:31]
decimation although it keeps the big obvious infringers off 'your' land [00:31]
asciilifeform why would i care ~which~ thief steals everything from me ? [00:32]
asciilifeform what difference if usg, or chinese emperor [00:32]
decimation asciilifeform: depends if thief is using hand ax or 300 ton earthmover [00:32]
decimation I saw a real-life gold mine the other day, saw a truck carrying 300 tons of rock [00:34]
decimation was about 20 ft wide and 40 ft tall [00:34]
decimation like house moving down the road [00:34]
asciilifeform back to the debug thing (because imho it is very educational) - it is very difficult to sell something which actually solves a problem, on account of the whole meatwot thing [00:34]
asciilifeform it is just like the 'programmers' thread from hour ago [00:34]
asciilifeform you get to an 'uncanny valley' effect where the better the thing works, the worse off you are, because 'not believable' [00:35]
decimation that and everyone copies [00:35]
asciilifeform and it can even come to where you have to lie, understate capability of product, even [00:35]
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asciilifeform and copies. so you're stuck where you end up selling time on the machine, in somewhat circumscribed use cases [00:36]
asciilifeform because if you actually sell the thing full-bore, you are now 'asking money for the sun' [00:36]
decimation the apple model is to try to convert your software into hardware [00:36]
asciilifeform the apple model works if you're usg [00:37]
asciilifeform and have crown franchise to do the whole schmuck-herding thing [00:37]
asciilifeform where your idiocies have the force of law [00:37]
decimation asciilifeform: kinda related are the eda tools for designing chips [00:38]
asciilifeform 100% usg-controlled [00:38]
asciilifeform afaik. [00:38]
decimation well, they are also useless if you don't have $1mil to get 'note from stalin' to make chips [00:38]
decimation and that's for one iteration [00:39]
asciilifeform typically takes a dozen or more. [00:39]
asciilifeform (iterations) [00:39]
asciilifeform at least, once did [00:39]
decimation asciilifeform: you might find this guy mildly interesting http://www.theamphour.com/254-an-interview-with-andreas-olofsson-adatevas-ampliative-abacus/ [00:39]
assbot An Interview with Andreas Olofsson - Adateva's Ampliative Abacus | The Amp Hour Electronics Podcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jkakvz ) [00:39]
decimation he describes this process [00:39]
decimation tried to sell 'new processor' idea on kickstarter, ended up hating kickstarter [00:40]
asciilifeform afaik those folks are arm licensees [00:40]
asciilifeform ergo, did not design 'new processor' [00:40]
asciilifeform but just 'riff on old tune' [00:40]
decimation asciilifeform: no, they use arm for board i/o control [00:40]
asciilifeform hm. [00:40]
decimation but they have their own silicon to perform dsp 'MAC' operation [00:40]
decimation the guy was a dsp designer and became disillusioned by all the shit that was stuffed into dsp chip [00:41]
asciilifeform wake me up when somebody bakes a turing-complete gadget with no winblows used ANYWHERE in the brain-to-silicon road [00:41]
asciilifeform (other than chuck moore. who did this, yes. but he is old, and not sure if his thing is even still made) [00:42]
decimation apparently it uses opencl program [00:42]
asciilifeform then turd firmly cemented in. [00:42]
decimation I think chuck moore's 'colorforth' runs on windows [00:42]
asciilifeform it runs on whatever [00:42]
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asciilifeform incl. bare z80 [00:42]
asciilifeform iirc [00:42]
asciilifeform point is, he 'licenses' nothing. [00:43]
decimation I tried to use it once, confusing as hell and also barely documented [00:43]
asciilifeform 100% own-code [00:43]
asciilifeform right, why document when you know all of it [00:43]
asciilifeform because 1 user. [00:43]
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decimation yeah the same podcast interviewed vic antonic fellow, who was serb who made his own 8-bit computer back in the 80's [00:43]
asciilifeform i have no idea what funds 'greenarrays' [00:43]
asciilifeform perhaps it's his personal coin from sofa cushions. [00:43]
asciilifeform the silicon equivalent of 'vanity press authors' [00:44]
decimation he said that he felt when writing anything higher-level than assembly, he feels like the code 'isn't his own' [00:44]
asciilifeform and he's right. [00:44]
decimation asciilifeform: the greenarrays site seems to imply they are in production [00:44]
decimation who knows how long they will last before they dry up and blow away [00:44]
asciilifeform who buys, last i saw, was a mystery [00:44]
asciilifeform perhaps mircea_popescu, to run his bitcoind-in-forth [00:45]
asciilifeform perhaps some other mircea_popescu [00:45]
asciilifeform ('not shakespeare, but man by the same name') [00:45]
decimation probably some arm of usg [00:45]
asciilifeform if usg, probably just buying it to sink in the ocean [00:45]
decimation nah, probably because someone who knew what they were doing made it work [00:46]
decimation now usg is stuck forever [00:46]
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asciilifeform like symbolics lispm. [00:46]
decimation precisely [00:46]
asciilifeform (there's one lab at ft. something-or-other that has ~eternal~ support contract with symbolics co.) [00:46]
decimation usg 'collects' technology in exactly this way [00:46]
asciilifeform this is public. [00:46]
decimation mainly through its defense-contract departments like lockheed, etc [00:47]
trinque asciilifeform: it just clicked into place that these computers are precisely those field radios, as you pointed out. [00:48]
asciilifeform i'd be surprised if archaeologists ever turn up a 'greenarrays' in usg gear [00:48]
asciilifeform but stranger things have happened [00:48]
decimation asciilifeform: the parallella guy was complaining that fpgas have 'eaten' the dsp market [00:48]
asciilifeform of course. whole point of dsp was for 'annoyingly custom' problems [00:49]
decimation and he did confirm that it costs about $1m to do a chip rev, if you go through the fab's preferred 'agents' [00:49]
decimation apparently his eda tools were a special 'deal' for startups, with the understanding that he pays later [00:49]
asciilifeform the other things, that $m is pure sunk cost if what you get in the post is a dud that doesn't even power [00:50]
asciilifeform which is not unheard of [00:50]
decimation yep, he did 4 revs [00:50]
decimation tried to simulate on fpga as best as he could [00:50]
decimation apparently they make massive 64-way fgpa boards to simulate a full chip [00:50]
asciilifeform more. [00:50]
asciilifeform up to 'refrigerator' size [00:50]
decimation which cost ~$100k themselves [00:50]
decimation or more [00:51]
asciilifeform 100k is 'cheap' [00:51]
asciilifeform multi-$m is normal [00:51]
asciilifeform plus 'support' [00:51]
asciilifeform not really sold in the usual sense. more of a lease, like the old ibm mainframes [00:51]
decimation and note that doesn't help you completely with silicon, as you have pointed out before [00:51]
asciilifeform and god help you if your thing has to interact with components that you can't simulate (because you didn't design them, and what, other vendor is going to share its logic? dream) [00:52]
decimation plus third party 'ip cores' [00:53]
asciilifeform aha [00:53]
asciilifeform the whole 'chip business' is in many ways ~inherently usgizing~ [00:53]
asciilifeform because there is no way to effectively amortize the astronomical costs without running a scam of one kind or another. [00:53]
asciilifeform ideally - a scam directly on the folks who print money [00:53]
decimation yeah he said that his business is very difficult because any kind of processing that he could do with his chip - can be done with a specialized asic [00:54]
asciilifeform why would folks who print money buy a device for saving a little money ? [00:54]
asciilifeform the basic dilemma here [00:54]
decimation so for any kind of an open standard - it is impossible for 'generic' solution to beat specialized asic [00:54]
decimation thus, closed-turd asic eats everything [00:54]
asciilifeform only thing it can beat it on is cost, and the folks who give a fuck re: cost can't afford ~it~ either. [00:55]
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decimation it's the hardware equivilant for the software phenomenon - first turd to market wins [00:56]
decimation hardware in general makes so little money it's a wonder anyone even bothers [00:57]
asciilifeform because it is necessary to enable other rackets [00:57]
asciilifeform 'wintel' gets to exist for strictly, strictly that [00:58]
decimation yeah, good point [00:58]
decimation it becomes a vanity project for those who can print money [00:58]
decimation which is pretty much silicon valley [00:58]
asciilifeform this is why i believe that the discovery of integrated circuit was a serious 'degutenbergization' from which we have not even begun to recover. [00:59]
decimation yeah and the 'die shrink' has only made things worse [00:59]
asciilifeform ic put the mega-org (in practice, arm of the state) in the driver's seat in much the same way as nukes once did (if you ask mircea_popescu) or still do [01:00]
asciilifeform even ~neglecting die shrink~ [01:01]
asciilifeform no one makes 'intel 4004' in their kitchen any more than he can make 'pentium' [01:01]
decimation yeah, it is a real problem for society when you literally need 10's to 100's of $bil to even try to 'make new ideas' [01:01]
decimation so everyone derps in playground that can be had for $1k [01:02]
asciilifeform in practice, it means that, e.g., cpu world is as conservative as ancient egypt [01:02]
asciilifeform where archs that would look entirely familiar to folks in 1960s are still considered 'state of the art' [01:02]
asciilifeform because literally no one can afford to take a risk [01:03]
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decimation asciilifeform: nearly all the 'evolution' in modern cpus can be considered to be reincarnating things ibm did in the 60's [01:03]
asciilifeform esp. given as in '80s, 'plenty of folks risked, they all died' [01:03]
asciilifeform yes, because they did not invent monetize-consumer-chumps as the mega-weapon [01:04]
decimation asciilifeform: there's a similar effect in the space industry now adays [01:04]
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decimation http://spacenews.com/viasats-dankberg-unfazed-by-mega-constellation-hoopla/ < ViaSat Chief Executive Mark D. Dankberg said in a conference call with investors. ?There?s a question of whether making hundreds or thousands of satellites is a feature or a bug.? [01:05]
assbot ViaSat’s Dankberg Unfazed by Mega-Constellation Hoopla ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jkc5c7 ) [01:05]
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asciilifeform decimation: the sat folks are attempting a kind of chumpatron where 'let's build tiny sats that last 6 months' [01:05]
decimation oneweb is trying to make mega-constellation of leo sats for 'free internets fer all!' [01:06]
asciilifeform how this wins, other than by scamming usg, is unclear to me [01:06]
decimation viasat guy is pointing out that everyone who has tried - failed [01:06]
asciilifeform the actual economics of launches (and the basic tech) haven't changed in decades [01:06]
decimation http://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/story/qualcomm-teams-branson-oneweb-satellite-venture-spacex-ceo-pursues-rival-co/2015-01-18 < no oneweb is scaming Branson [01:06]
assbot Qualcomm teams with Branson on OneWeb satellite venture as SpaceX CEO pursues rival constellation - FierceWirelessTech ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jkc8EI ) [01:06]
asciilifeform there was a brief time in '90s when 'discount' launches using repurposed ru nukes on subs were to be had [01:07]
asciilifeform but this was not a sufficiently 'mass' phenomenon to make a real difference [01:07]
asciilifeform and - afaik - they're through [01:07]
decimation http://www.wsj.com/articles/greg-wylers-oneweb-satellite-internet-company-secures-funding-1421278832 < "OneWeb Ltd. said it had secured funding from Richard Branson?s Virgin Group and Qualcomm Inc. for a planned Internet service powered by a constellation of 648 satellites." [01:07]
assbot Greg Wyler’s OneWeb Satellite-Internet Company Secures Funding - WSJ [01:07]
decimation 648! [01:07]
asciilifeform (repurposed ~rockets~ rather than nuke per se, yes) [01:08]
asciilifeform usg scam [01:08]
decimation nope, not usg [01:08]
decimation http://spaceflightnow.com/2015/06/15/oneweb-selects-airbus-to-build-900-internet-satellites/ [01:08]
asciilifeform ultimately they are gunning for u.s. state dept (yes) funding [01:08]
assbot OneWeb selects Airbus to build 900 Internet satellites | Spaceflight Now ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jkchbl ) [01:08]
decimation euroscam [01:08]
asciilifeform 'internet for d1ss1d3ntz1111!!!111' [01:08]
decimation same idea though [01:08]
asciilifeform perhaps i'm thinking of a previous iteration of this sc4m [01:08]
asciilifeform perhaps somebody ~else~ is the mark this time [01:09]
decimation "An 840-satellite constellation named Teledesic went bust in 2002 before its first launch, even with the backing of Bill Gates, cell phone tycoon Craig McCaw and Saudi Arabian Prince Alwaleed bin Talal." [01:09]
decimation maybe you are thinking of iridium [01:09]
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decimation which I think is now actually owned by usg [01:09]
asciilifeform important to remember that sat constellation is not a permanent animal in any sense [01:09]
asciilifeform more like 'sand painting' [01:09]
decimation well, especially leo [01:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48100 @ 0.00040636 = 19.5459 BTC [-] [01:10]
decimation atmospheric drag takes sats down [01:10]
decimation but you don't want to be outside leo either, because of the radiation [01:10]
asciilifeform aha [01:10]
asciilifeform wherever you put it, it dies after ~decade, max [01:10]
decimation like our recent angry sunspot has demonstrated [01:11]
decimation asciilifeform: nope http://ww2.amsat.org/?page_id=1031 < apparently hams still use a satellite launched in 1974 [01:11]
assbot AO-7 | AMSAT-NA ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkcviE ) [01:12]
asciilifeform neato [01:12]
decimation it's mostly broken, but sometimes the batteries unshort and you can get hemisephric comms [01:12]
asciilifeform wonder what it's made of [01:12]
asciilifeform vacuum valves ? [01:12]
decimation it's pretty simple [01:12]
decimation also I think both 'voyager' probes are still functional [01:13]
decimation although nearly useless because of the decay in their radiothermal units [01:13]
asciilifeform i bet a good share of the scrap metal floating about in space is 'functional' by this definition [01:13]
asciilifeform as in, some portion still 'works' [01:13]
decimation yeah probably [01:14]
asciilifeform but 'usable for the purpose for which was built' - different matter. [01:14]
decimation yeah it's sop to overdesign satellites and expect failure [01:14]
asciilifeform ... and this is just to get the 5-8 y. expected life. [01:15]
decimation which is why it's amusing that the current generation thinks that launching smartphones into space is a great idea [01:15]
asciilifeform great idea if usg pays. [01:15]
decimation or some $bil chumper [01:16]
asciilifeform no one in natoreich has so much as smelled $bil except by mercy of the crown. [01:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17822 @ 0.00040558 = 7.2282 BTC [-] {2} [01:17]
decimation yes, in branson's case it was performing 'regulatory arbitrage' on euro airline regulations [01:17]
asciilifeform !up Vexual [01:20]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65517 @ 0.00040361 = 26.4433 BTC [-] [01:22]
phf asciilifeform: you might find this interesting http://glyf.org/tmp/bastard-delay.png. red dots are bastards when they are finally accepted, green dots are corresponding failed attempts [01:22]
assbot 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6TBsE ) [01:22]
asciilifeform phf: very interesting, and probably deserves to be posted to therealbitcoin mailinglist. [01:23]
decimation phf: neat [01:23]
asciilifeform (at present everyone who reads it, also reads #b-a, but this is not guaranteed) [01:23]
decimation I did a small sample of this, but not the whole deal [01:23]
asciilifeform phf: if you generated this with a custom patch for the beast itself, please share this [01:24]
decimation the only solution I can think of is to spoon feed nodes in a 'known good' order [01:24]
phf asciilifeform: unfortunately not, parsing the log files [01:24]
asciilifeform phf: somewhere we have an anti-debug.log-rollover patch [01:24]
asciilifeform but perhaps you did this already yourself. [01:24]
asciilifeform decimation: the current 'solution' - patience - also works. [01:25]
decimation phf: I made a patch to note from which node each block comes [01:25]
decimation it's amusing to watch the thing jump around [01:25]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah it's certainly not the most pressing problem with bitcoind [01:26]
asciilifeform the whole 'one sync partner at a time' thing is also retarded, but trying to do anything about it without bringing back 'bastard cache' is pointless [01:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108200 @ 0.0003982 = 43.0852 BTC [-] {3} [01:27]
phf asciilifeform: i ran into log rollover, and had to restart syncing process from scratch. yet another "convenience" anti feature [01:28]
asciilifeform phf: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.cpp#0771 << zap it [01:31]
assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/util.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkdQWK ) [01:31]
asciilifeform trivial change. [01:31]
asciilifeform i probably oughta add a commandline flag for this [01:31]
asciilifeform as permanent fixture [01:31]
asciilifeform (rollover by default, but can be toggled) [01:32]
decimation asciilifeform: in the future, it would be useful to set the 'buffer size' for incoming txns in the conf file [01:32]
asciilifeform ^ whoever wants to do this, it'd be a good thing [01:32]
asciilifeform decimation: mempool size ? [01:32]
decimation mapOrphanTransactions? [01:33]
asciilifeform gone [01:33]
asciilifeform and i see no reason to ever bring it back.. [01:33]
asciilifeform (anyone?) [01:33]
decimation ah I see, was looking at earlier patch [01:33]
asciilifeform Vexual: ship runs tight cunt [01:34]
decimation asciilifeform: so does the tx pool consist strictly of those txns which originate from previous block only? [01:34]
asciilifeform blocks. [01:34]
decimation yeah, previous valid blocks. [01:35]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-06-2015#1154352 << see also. [01:35]
assbot Logged on 05-06-2015 00:42:31; asciilifeform: mod6: he rebroadcasts until finds a node that can accept it without 'jam tomorrow' [01:35]
asciilifeform yes, [01:35]
asciilifeform . [01:35]
asciilifeform key point here is that anything without a hard antecedent ~on disk now~ could equally well be random garbage [01:35]
decimation yeah [01:36]
asciilifeform asking node to accept maybe-verifiable-as-not-rubbish-tomorrow is a jam-tomorrow. [01:36]
decimation so when new block is found, and the new block only contains a subset of the existing tx pool [01:36]
decimation do the 'non-blocked' txns remain? [01:36]
asciilifeform remain where? [01:36]
decimation in mempool [01:36]
asciilifeform whose mempool [01:36]
decimation well, imma node, I hear txns, they all come from previous blocks [01:37]
decimation a new block is found, some of the txns in memory are now contained in the new block [01:37]
decimation some are not [01:37]
asciilifeform they sit, yes [01:37]
asciilifeform where would they go. [01:37]
decimation also flush [01:37]
decimation if you failed to make it in a block, your txn doesn't exist, resend [01:38]
asciilifeform out of general principle, ought to retransmit until 'blockified' [01:38]
decimation indeed [01:38]
asciilifeform because mempool is by nature ephemeral [01:38]
decimation thus, node may flush txn at its pleasure [01:38]
asciilifeform aha [01:38]
asciilifeform by, say, turning off mains plug [01:39]
decimation indeed [01:39]
decimation or by setting a conf flag for 'how long does txn sit' [01:39]
asciilifeform aha. [01:39]
decimation or a conf flag for sorting txns by value for a miner [01:40]
asciilifeform i will confess that i've always found the whole 'mempool' thing to be a dodge [01:40]
asciilifeform why is everybody stuck playing cache for the miners [01:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34370 @ 0.00041082 = 14.1199 BTC [+] {2} [01:40]
decimation as in, why does non-miner node even bother with txns? [01:40]
asciilifeform aha [01:40]
decimation yeah it's kinda masterbatory [01:41]
asciilifeform not even sure that it was done for cache, rather than out of some misguided notion of 'anonymization' [01:41]
asciilifeform (like the idiot 'change addr' thing) [01:41]
decimation asciilifeform: one can imagine an entire new 'metaprotocol' for sufficiently pleasing a miner to accept your txn [01:42]
asciilifeform what's wrong with 'fee' [01:42]
decimation nothin' [01:42]
decimation but it would be nice for the miner to send a polite rejection 'add yer fee' [01:42]
decimation this will become explict at some point anyway [01:43]
asciilifeform why would they bother to answer ? [01:43]
decimation I guess miner 'speaks with sword' [01:43]
asciilifeform responsibility of sender of tx to learn what 'going rate' is [01:43]
decimation I suppose they can find through out-of-band comms with miner or by 'did it make it into block' [01:45]
asciilifeform not sure why any communication other than 'fee' and 'made into block or not' is necessary here [01:45]
decimation so n00bs know how much 'fee' to add [01:45]
decimation a minor learning curve [01:45]
asciilifeform they can look at recently blockified tx-en [01:46]
decimation indeed. [01:46]
decimation at any rate, making the reference client attractive to miners would be wise [01:46]
asciilifeform can't help but wonder if any serious miner will ever touch what he himself did not write [01:47]
asciilifeform sorta like mircea_popescu's magical private bitcoind [01:47]
asciilifeform why would a 'serious' fella 1) use anything but what himself wrote 2) share so much as a word of it with anyone [01:47]
asciilifeform much to lose - little to gain. [01:47]
decimation because lazy [01:47]
decimation knows more about how to pile asics than how to program bitcoind [01:47]
decimation these skills are not the same 'ting' as taleb wrote [01:48]
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* asciilifeform does not have 'intel dept.' and cannot comment re: what miners do, aside from the trivially observable [01:48]
decimation asciilifeform: why would ulbricht keep detailed records of his incriminating evidence on his laptop? [01:49]
asciilifeform decimation: because retardation? [01:49]
decimation exactly. [01:49]
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asciilifeform incidentally, prior to the fall of ulbricht, i entertained the notion that sr is run by 'serious person' [01:50]
decimation heh me too [01:50]
asciilifeform on custom logic, etc. [01:50]
decimation in retrospect, using 'tor' was a giveaway [01:50]
asciilifeform but folks who actually ~saw~ sr alive tell me that this was always loony. [01:50]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah, for instance, sr also ran escrow service [01:51]
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punkman and hedging service [01:51]
decimation asciilifeform: actually what amazes me more is that kim-jung-il doesn't run his own 'silk road' [01:52]
decimation err, kim jung-un [01:53]
punkman maybe he does [01:53]
punkman there's like 3 dozen of them [01:53]
asciilifeform between the coke, whores, and 'warcraft' - when ? [01:53]
decimation heh [01:53]
decimation yeah, but dpr has already shown how to annoy usg [01:53]
decimation of course the opm hack did about 1000x more damage to usg [01:53]
asciilifeform kju 'annoys usg' in strictly-circumscribed kabuki defined by his elders. [01:54]
decimation if only to make it obvious that usg employees can't trust usg to keep them safe [01:54]
funkenstein_ i'm not in the know, but always assumed various usg hat wearing agencies mostly competed with other usg hat wearing agencies [01:54]
decimation yeah he is just the crazy guy who yells at people until he is placated with rice [01:55]
asciilifeform mr mold's term was 'muppet state' [01:55]
asciilifeform muppet can 'bite' muppeteer, but to a point. [01:55]
decimation yeah, I think yarvin's 'state vs dod' proxy wars make a fair bit of sense [01:55]
asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << aaaand we've past 1+M. [02:02]
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decimation asciilifeform: are you still feeding gpg keys into it? [02:04]
asciilifeform decimation: not as of 2 min. ago [02:05]
mircea_popescu just reload punkman [02:05]
asciilifeform and yes, sqlite was not meant for this [02:05]
decimation how many sks keys exist? [02:05]
decimation heh no not really [02:05]
asciilifeform ~1.3M rsa-containing keys [02:05]
asciilifeform https://sociorocketnewsen.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/wv-57.jpg?w=580&h=345 [02:06]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1J6WLg1 ) [02:06]
mircea_popescu what was sqlite meant for ? [02:06]
asciilifeform stamp collections ? [02:06]
decimation no, actually it was originall designed to be wedged into a usg radar system [02:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45014 @ 0.00039938 = 17.9777 BTC [-] {3} [02:08]
mircea_popescu i thought stamp collectors all use mysql [02:08]
decimation "Hipp was designing software used aboard guided missile destroyers, which were originally based on HP-UX with an IBM Informix database back-end. The design goals of SQLite were to allow the program to be operated without installing a database management system or requiring a database administrator." [02:08]
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decimation !up Vexual [02:08]
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decimation ^ guy had to wedge relational database into ancient unix shit [02:08]
decimation without db admin, or thinking person involved [02:09]
mircea_popescu also, branson specialises in being scammed. [02:09]
decimation yeah he also invested in that 'space tourism' loltron [02:10]
mircea_popescu this "without installing a database management system or requiring a database administrator." reads to me like "car that can be used without breaks" [02:10]
mircea_popescu sure, for as long as it can be used it can be used [02:10]
mircea_popescu after which... [02:10]
decimation yeah, point of db admin is to actually think about how to arrange data [02:10]
mircea_popescu decimation isn't he the original "how to make a small fortune ? start with a big one" ? [02:10]
decimation heh yeah [02:10]
mircea_popescu music label. went to shit. [02:10]
mircea_popescu airline. went to shit. [02:10]
mircea_popescu "space tourism". shit. [02:11]
mircea_popescu you name it, he turned it to shit. shitranson. [02:11]
asciilifeform wake me up when he has problems making rent [02:11]
mircea_popescu if they stacked shit that high he could have a twin brother, go whiterafting with the bitcoin godfather pair. [02:11]
mircea_popescu i don't get something. what does having more satellites help ? you still have the same problems of intsat whether there's ten or ten thousand. [02:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00039603 = 16.2768 BTC [-] [02:14]
decimation apparently his airline is still going to shit [02:14]
asciilifeform it 'helps' in the sense of (as they hope) setting up money siphon from usg [02:14]
asciilifeform to constantly send up 'disposable' boxes into leo [02:14]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175593 << i was worth > 1 bil earlier this year i'll have you know! [02:14]
assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 04:12:48; asciilifeform: no one in natoreich has so much as smelled $bil except by mercy of the crown. [02:14]
asciilifeform 1b in spendables. [02:15]
asciilifeform as in, turkeys. [02:15]
mircea_popescu and then mom asked "in what currency" and i said "doesn't matter" [02:15]
mircea_popescu turkeys are "spendables" ?! [02:15]
decimation mircea_popescu: 'more satellites' is needed because leo [02:15]
decimation low earth satellites can only 'see' a small fraction of the earth [02:15]
decimation and therefore need lots for coverage [02:15]
decimation the reason why you want leo is: latency [02:16]
mircea_popescu decimation ok, sure. but all you need is one up. having to up helps maybe some. 200 ? marginal utility decays pretty fast [02:16]
mircea_popescu would seem to me. [02:16]
decimation speed of light delay from earth to geo and back is intolerable [02:16]
decimation no, do the orbital math [02:16]
decimation leo is only visible for a few minutes at a time [02:16]
mircea_popescu oh so it's actually needed for coverage [02:16]
decimation a few times per day [02:16]
mircea_popescu aha [02:16]
decimation so you a continuous parade to maintain coverage yes [02:17]
mircea_popescu basically, if you're gonna do leo telecoms it's either 1k or go home [02:17]
decimation yep [02:17]
mircea_popescu ic. [02:17]
decimation and leo is the only answer to the latency issue [02:17]
mircea_popescu right. [02:17]
mircea_popescu and your parade won't stay ordered [02:17]
decimation nope [02:17]
mircea_popescu so this is basically a continual launch deal. [02:17]
asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << aaaand we're back. [02:17]
decimation exactly [02:17]
mircea_popescu nice contract to have. [02:17]
decimation and each satellite needs to maintain its orbit, etc [02:17]
asciilifeform nah [02:18]
asciilifeform these are 'breadboxes' [02:18]
asciilifeform no thrusters. [02:18]
asciilifeform (at least, last i saw this scam) [02:18]
decimation using fuel or magnetorquers [02:18]
asciilifeform whole point of the 'microsats' [02:18]
asciilifeform no mechanicals [02:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i would suspect they'd have a minimal sail or something [02:18]
asciilifeform not the last time i saw this. [02:18]
asciilifeform plain cubes. [02:18]
mircea_popescu just give them a little assymetry allow them some limited self-righting [02:18]
mircea_popescu otherwise this smacks of insanity. [02:19]
asciilifeform usganity [02:19]
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decimation no they have magnets to orient themselves with earth's magnetic field [02:19]
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decimation but this isn't a simple matter either, obviously [02:20]
mircea_popescu anyway, nioce contract to have. basically, it's a "build this many launchers and fire them continuously forever" [02:20]
asciilifeform kinda useless if couldn't align [02:20]
asciilifeform (horn gotta point down) [02:20]
decimation asciilifeform: aye, that's why you also need to align [02:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ~all~ satellite business reduces to that kind of contract [02:20]
asciilifeform only question is - how often [02:20]
mircea_popescu this seems pretty often [02:20]
mircea_popescu both because drag and headcount. [02:20]
asciilifeform aha [02:20]
decimation how? star tracker: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/podcasting/StarTrackers.html [02:20]
assbot NASA - [02:20]
mircea_popescu you get 100x as many sats with 0.01x lifespan. 10kx ! [02:21]
asciilifeform which is why i said, these folks are trying to push scam to a kind of logical conclusion [02:21]
decimation yeah the oneweb thing is about an order of magnitude bigger at trying to do something that has failed every time it has been tried [02:21]
asciilifeform i predict that eventually they will justify it with talk of 'railguns' [02:21]
asciilifeform which will launch microsats 'for free', 'any day now' [02:21]
mircea_popescu i dun see why not. [02:21]
mircea_popescu they do launch jets off carriers atm [02:21]
mircea_popescu not free of course. but cheaper than steam [02:22]
asciilifeform not impossible to build hardware that eats 500g [02:22]
decimation the 'why not' is the massive acceleration you have to give with reasonable sized guns [02:22]
mircea_popescu faster charge at any rate. [02:22]
asciilifeform but costs. [02:22]
decimation exactly [02:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what's reasonable sized ? could be a mile long for all it matters. [02:22]
mircea_popescu just think you're making a bridge [02:22]
decimation heh [02:22]
asciilifeform mile long vacuum ? [02:22]
mircea_popescu sure. [02:22]
asciilifeform or mile of atmosphere [02:22]
asciilifeform ;;google hochdruckpumpe [02:23]
gribble Common Rail Hochdruckpumpe Animation - YouTube: ; V-3 cannon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Fortress of Mimoyecques - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [02:23]
mircea_popescu "discouraged atmosphere", soft vacuum [02:23]
decimation for one thing you would need a massive capacitor bank [02:23]
mircea_popescu so you would. [02:23]
mircea_popescu the rail gun is the necessary next step after the cern [02:23]
mircea_popescu basically the same hardware involved. [02:23]
asciilifeform not physically impossible, just very gnarly. [02:24]
mircea_popescu sure. [02:24]
mircea_popescu which is what makes for a decent engineering project. [02:24]
asciilifeform at any rate, actually building it would run contrary to the spirit of the scam [02:24]
* mircea_popescu isn't much into scams. [02:24]
asciilifeform that money 'could be snorted' [02:24]
mircea_popescu but the rail gun is more substantial than most shit getting funded. [02:24]
asciilifeform i can think of 1,001 'substantial' [02:24]
decimation it's probably more realistic to launch small chemical rockets factory-style [02:25]
mircea_popescu decimation dirtier. [02:25]
decimation like the nazis did, more-or-less [02:25]
decimation sure, but not a mega-project [02:25]
mircea_popescu but this is a mega project. [02:25]
mircea_popescu that's the predicate. [02:25]
mircea_popescu we want 1k+ launch events each day, and we want a total of 100 tons shipped upstairs a day. [02:25]
asciilifeform i bet something like lensed explosive would beat railgun [02:25]
asciilifeform with similar engineering constraints [02:25]
decimation asciilifeform: or the 'drop nukes behind steel shell' method [02:26]
mircea_popescu dirty. [02:26]
mircea_popescu http://glyf.org/tmp/bastard-delay.png << great graph thx. [02:28]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BBWTnL ) [02:28]
decimation http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/05/bent_flyvbjerg.html > re: megaprojects: " Guest: No, it's actually worse than that. Nine out of ten have costs that are underestimated. Nine out of 10 have benefits that are overestimated, and 9 out of 10 have schedules that are underestimated. So, when you combine those, it's actually a very small fraction of projects that both are done to budgets, to schedule, and deliver the promised benefit [02:28]
assbot " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1BBWTnU ) [02:28]
mircea_popescu i dun think this yet happened. [02:28]
mircea_popescu what's the project that was on time on budget and delivered ? [02:29]
mircea_popescu hoover dam was overrun. big dig was... heh. [02:29]
mircea_popescu pick it. which ? [02:29]
decimation well, for megaprojects ( > $1 bils) the answer is almost none [02:29]
asciilifeform that schmuck who hanged self from elevator. [02:29]
asciilifeform said - delivered. [02:29]
asciilifeform on time! [02:29]
mircea_popescu if you ask him it was prolly late [02:30]
decimation he points out that the new guggenheim museum in bilbao spain delievered [02:30]
mircea_popescu or early, i guess. [02:30]
* asciilifeform wonders about the choice of elevator. gotta have been like those old pirate hangings, with hang/unhang/hang/unhang sequence [02:30]
asciilifeform thing goes up, down [02:30]
decimation hang from elastic climbing rope? [02:31]
asciilifeform http://jessamyn.com/barth/colby.html << as described here! [02:31]
asciilifeform (classic of engl. literature) [02:31]
asciilifeform 'hanging on bouncyball' [02:31]
decimation the megaprojects guy describes the failure of the sydney opera house: "The cost overrun was 1400%. And as always when cost overruns happen, the architect was blamed, and his work situation became so uncomfortable, he found that he actually left the project in the middle, with his family, and flew out of Australia, never to return." [02:32]
decimation "That means that we don't have any other buildings. It's equivalent to taking Frank Gehry, who is considered the world's most famous architect by now and who is considered to be in the same league as Jørn Utzon regarding doing magic aesthetics and magic buildings. ... That's the cost of the Sydney Opera House. It was not a success; it was a huge failure, in those terms. " [02:32]
mircea_popescu i wish to be shown this "magic aesthetics". [02:33]
decimation heh [02:33]
decimation I knew you would bite on that line [02:33]
mircea_popescu afaik the entire thing';s rubbishj, and if you're going to hire fortune tellers, always hire the cheapest. [02:33]
decimation what if one fortune teller is amazingly accurate? [02:33]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [02:33]
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asciilifeform that's like saying 'if going to stot, jump as little as you can' [02:34]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175664 << it is, and remains, the premiere systematic, actual problem of the protocol. somehow, this will have to be fixed. [02:34]
assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 04:36:15; asciilifeform: i will confess that i've always found the whole 'mempool' thing to be a dodge [02:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform thery all deliver the same results. [02:34]
asciilifeform same amount of 'lion discouragement' ? [02:34]
asciilifeform somebody gotta tell the gazelles this. [02:34]
mircea_popescu what lion was discouraged from bilbao ? [02:34]
asciilifeform none afaik [02:35]
mircea_popescu what, it keeps the muslims orderly in line to raping the spanish hos v 2.0 ? [02:35]
asciilifeform picking at the general principle of 'cheapest shaman' observation [02:35]
mircea_popescu im unconvinced this is stotting. i don't dispute it could be called that, but then again anything could. [02:35]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, the actual behaviour works in nature. and has its own context. this lacks both those factors. [02:36]
decimation and of course, in retrospect everything looks like a good deal: "You should ask the people who actually got to pay for the projects and got to pay the extra sums, whether they are happy about it. Of course, later generations are happy about a project, because they get it for free ride. " [02:36]
asciilifeform there is also orlov's 'deer hunter' effect [02:36]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175675 << you don't want the bitches talking back. for the obvious reason that if they can, they will, and next you're gonna have voting or some stupidshit like that. [02:37]
assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 04:39:01; decimation: but it would be nice for the miner to send a polite rejection 'add yer fee' [02:37]
asciilifeform (which sums to the observation that it is possible to breed people to become a kind of cow) [02:37]
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decimation are miners slaves or the elite? [02:37]
mircea_popescu yes. [02:38]
asciilifeform !b 2 [02:38]
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decimation seems like they are 'commanders of capital' in the classic robber-baron sense [02:39]
mircea_popescu hardly. [02:39]
decimation what about the pile of asics they gotta buy and feed? [02:39]
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mircea_popescu what about it ? [02:39]
asciilifeform 'Colby asked if he could have a firing squad. No, Howard said, he could not. Howard said a firing squad would just be an ego trip for Colby, the blindfold and last-cigarette bit, and that Colby was in enough hot water already without trying to "upstage" everyone with unnecessary theatrics. Colby said he was sorry, he hadn't meant it that way, he'd take the tree. Tomas crumpled up the gibbet sketches he'd been making, in disgus [02:40]
asciilifeform t.' [02:40]
decimation as the asic investment gets more expensive, it becomes more centralized and oliogopical [02:40]
asciilifeform ^ see also today's asic thread.. [02:40]
decimation exactly [02:40]
mircea_popescu which is why hard forks gotta stay on the table [02:41]
mircea_popescu unpleasant as they are. [02:41]
decimation what's going to prevent the situation where only two or three miners remain [02:41]
decimation and if you want to put a txn on the block, gotta meet their terms [02:41]
asciilifeform sorta how working nukes gotta stay on the table [02:41]
mircea_popescu if we know this is the case, the blocks change to briock their mining gear. [02:41]
mircea_popescu if we don't know this is the case it's not the case. [02:41]
mircea_popescu mutually assured anal pain, in the sense they get it. [02:41]
asciilifeform 'what is the point of building a doomsday machine if no one is told!' (tm) (r) ('strangelove') [02:42]
mircea_popescu "know about it" means something more from physics. "unobservable phenomena are spiritism not physics" [02:42]
asciilifeform aha [02:43]
asciilifeform (somebody plz tell the 'strings' folks this?!) [02:43]
mircea_popescu why, they're cute. everyone watches their "journals" like kitten pics. [02:43]
asciilifeform ugh [02:43]
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asciilifeform thing is, like the old-fashioned proverbial nukefest, above scenario works best as a game-theoretical device [02:45]
asciilifeform rather than practice. [02:45]
asciilifeform if you even smell the practice - your whole system has failed in a catastrophic way [02:46]
asciilifeform (picture if the 'anti-centralization hardfork' were a regular event.) [02:46]
mircea_popescu da fuckiung world we live in. viasat has been doing satellites forever. google is a newcomer in the field. spacex is a newcomer in general. yet the viasat ceo has to explain why he, the expert, is doing what he's doing. the newb schmucks aren't expected to explain themselves. [02:46]
decimation yeah, it sounds like the turkish government [02:47]
mircea_popescu fucking upside down alice in wonderland nonsense. [02:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform let me just point out that the theory of "unavoidable monopoly" has issues. for instance, cabs in buenos aires are still un=united. [02:47]
mircea_popescu the reason the us has two parties may have more to do with the indolent stolidity of the usians minds than any rule of nature. [02:48]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175523 << see also [02:48]
assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 03:55:27; asciilifeform: this is why i believe that the discovery of integrated circuit was a serious 'degutenbergization' from which we have not even begun to recover. [02:48]
asciilifeform ic is fundamentally 'statalizing' tech [02:48]
mircea_popescu for a fundamentally broken people. [02:48]
asciilifeform like satellite. [02:48]
asciilifeform for everyone. [02:48]
mircea_popescu not all people react to same tech same way. [02:48]
decimation the 'two parties' thing kinda became a convenient foil to distract the masses while the bureaucracy runs things [02:49]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175507 [02:49]
assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 03:49:51; asciilifeform: because there is no way to effectively amortize the astronomical costs without running a scam of one kind or another. [02:49]
asciilifeform true for ic. not for cab. [02:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform alchemy was not fundamentally the same thing for chinese and italians. [02:49]
decimation yeah, but which alchemy turned lead to gold? [02:49]
mircea_popescu what is sailing ? and why has the same tech done different things for the dutch, the english, the spanish, and the latins ? [02:49]
mircea_popescu decimation none did. [02:50]
mircea_popescu both claimed, very similar almost identical things [02:50]
decimation yet, ics ... work [02:50]
decimation at least to some definition [02:50]
mircea_popescu i just went through 5k lines today of how they don't. [02:50]
mircea_popescu well which is it. [02:50]
asciilifeform decimation: iirc chinese focused more on the immortality thing [02:50]
asciilifeform than gold [02:50]
mircea_popescu this is correct [02:50]
mircea_popescu but in the same way : philosopher's stone bestows wishes [02:50]
mircea_popescu yet they wished infinte time not infiniute money. [02:50]
mircea_popescu weird huh [02:50]
asciilifeform that's what comes from 'stability' as virtue [02:51]
mircea_popescu so not all cultures fuck up tech the same way. [02:51]
decimation perhaps not, but nobody makes observable ics yet [02:52]
asciilifeform ('infinite money' cultures ended up with equally asinine 'growth as virtue') [02:52]
decimation I would agree that if we have a few decades with roughly stable ic fab tech, it's likely that 'growth' will come from genuine design differences [02:53]
decimation but you still need $bil to make the thing go [02:54]
asciilifeform decimation: not if microshit has a seat at the table. [02:54]
mircea_popescu it can not have a seat anywhere. [02:54]
mircea_popescu stable means just this : no more sv. [02:54]
decimation microshit seems to be capitulating to some degree [02:54]
asciilifeform 'genuine design difference' ~requires~ burning last 40 yrs. [02:54]
asciilifeform not burned? not genuine difference. [02:54]
mircea_popescu and people will, once the moore stops. [02:54]
mircea_popescu that was the one pacifier of a thousand quashed hopes. [02:55]
asciilifeform it stopped in '07. [02:55]
decimation yeah, more-or-less [02:55]
asciilifeform wake me up when smell burning. [02:55]
decimation it might deliever another cycle or two [02:55]
mircea_popescu weren't you arguing that it hasn't stopped when i first proposed this ? [02:55]
decimation I was [02:55]
decimation intel seems to have legitimate tech to go down another halving or so [02:56]
asciilifeform fat lot of good, when, e.g., dram, hasn't kept up [02:56]
mircea_popescu doubtful, but anyway. it's a question of when. [02:56]
asciilifeform not to mention the 'wriggleysgumizations' introduced by the shrinkage [02:56]
asciilifeform lossy dram cells, 'ssd' rot, etc [02:56]
decimation but they are scheduling maybe 2016 for 10 nm, maybe http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/anton-shilov/intels-10nm-cannonlake-processors-due-in-mid-2016-leaked-roadmap/ [02:57]
assbot Intel’s 10nm Cannonlake processors due in mid-2016 – leaked roadmap | KitGuru ... ( http://bit.ly/1BBZEp5 ) [02:57]
decimation note that they are admitting they can't make more than 2 cores without yield issues [02:58]
mircea_popescu what's the outlook on what they can make if usg dole dries up ? [02:58]
asciilifeform hog harnesses. [02:58]
mircea_popescu mmmkay. [02:58]
* mircea_popescu is kinda curious how budget for next year looks, on that score. does "law enforcement" get triple budget and everything else trims or not. [02:59]
asciilifeform more than one way to budget [03:00]
decimation mircea_popescu: it might all be moot if usg's interest rate ticks up [03:00]
asciilifeform even now they're what, 20% privateer ? [03:00]
asciilifeform (as in, actually funded by loot) [03:00]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175691 << this is a very good argument [03:00]
assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 04:43:54; decimation: because lazy [03:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform and they'll be 60% privateer on a tripled budget and it still won't be enough [03:00]
mircea_popescu under the very real pressure of a million tiny joe stacks [03:00]
asciilifeform enough for what ? [03:01]
mircea_popescu i dunno, whatever it is they do. [03:01]
mircea_popescu "enforce law" [03:01]
decimation might as well go to the roman 'decentralized' system [03:01]
asciilifeform wake me up when a hundred, much less million, 'stacks' [03:01]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175705 << not only stupid, but also ignorant. why should he take bitcoin donations ? paypal works fine! [03:02]
assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 04:49:07; decimation: asciilifeform: actually what amazes me more is that kim-jung-il doesn't run his own 'silk road' [03:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's been over a hundred this year. [03:02]
mircea_popescu there's been about two a week. [03:02]
decimation well, if you take the megaprojects guy's arguments at face value, the average megaproject has a 99% chance of failure [03:02]
asciilifeform of some schmuck shoots other schmuck? sure [03:02]
asciilifeform of schmuck vs usg proper ? [03:02]
decimation and considering that every usg agency is effectively a megaproject, usg operates on maybe 1% of its outlays [03:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform my words were "the very real pressure of a million tiny joe stacks" [03:03]
mircea_popescu decimation that's a point. [03:03]
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asciilifeform a filthy orc knifing a policeman, or similar, is not a 'joe stack.' in my mind, 'stack' is a fella who inflicts disproportionate damage [03:04]
decimation my point being that 'services delivered' by usg are completely unrelated to the money spent [03:04]
asciilifeform as in, demolishes a 100m whatever [03:04]
asciilifeform (recall the janitor who burned down a nuke sub?) [03:04]
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decimation asciilifeform: there's a similar story with the recently-released files on the metro 'smoke incident' [03:05]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform the point of the pressure is not the damage. merely, civilians that dun like da police. [03:05]
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mircea_popescu and if i recall you protested that joe stack did not do any damage at all, let alone disproportionate [03:05]
mircea_popescu you really gotta pick some sort of an orthodoxy, you're making my head spin. which is it [03:06]
asciilifeform herr stack ~did~ burn down an office hell (albeit empty) [03:06]
mircea_popescu so which is it! [03:06]
mircea_popescu alf can't commit. "well, depends. in this circumstance, it is, in that it isn't, whadda ya want from me! peter pan over here, always young an' happy!" [03:07]
asciilifeform l0l [03:07]
mircea_popescu hehe [03:07]
mircea_popescu in other news, i'm having the world's worst strawberries. they are the size of plums, quite red except the part under the leaf is plain white... what the fuck is with this world. [03:08]
punkman seems plausible that orc with knife cost them more than joe [03:08]
mircea_popescu crunchy and everything. oh, the strawberries of mine youth... [03:09]
decimation http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/ntsb-begins-two-days-of-public-hearings-into-fatal-metro-incident/2015/06/22/1884da66-190e-11e5-93b7-5eddc056ad8a_story.html < metro is run entirely by orcs, who cannot do anything as complicated as reversing a single train [03:09]
assbot What Metro train operator heard in tunnel: ‘Yelling, screaming, kicking and banging’ - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1BC0KkQ ) [03:09]
asciilifeform punkman: question apparently is 'who runs out first?' [03:09]
asciilifeform police? or 'antipolice' [03:09]
mircea_popescu punkman i can readily see asciilifeform argue that moreover joe stack was part of an obscure bezzlatron to provide office refurbishment at a profit. why not rite. [03:10]
punkman they are both in debt already [03:10]
decimation the number of "vale're whites" who work for usg far outweighs the number of joe stacks [03:10]
punkman my strawberries have a bit of white there too, but this batch is good, smells/tastes like strawberry rather than water balloon [03:11]
mircea_popescu i just don't recall ever seeing this, white on a strawberry, as a kid. that's more of a framboise thing [03:11]
mircea_popescu however you call em [03:11]
decimation heh raspberry [03:12]
* asciilifeform ate ~REAL~ strawberries not long ago [03:12]
mircea_popescu ah no. [03:12]
asciilifeform grown by colleague [03:12]
mircea_popescu wtf is it. the tiny strawberry cousin [03:12]
decimation alpine strawberries? [03:12]
trinque asciilifeform: we've got 'em outside the front door [03:12]
trinque way smaller than these giant watery things, but very tasty [03:12]
trinque ...and all red [03:12]
decimation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragaria_vesca [03:13]
assbot Fragaria vesca - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJrkaW ) [03:13]
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mircea_popescu ^vesca aha [03:14]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: земляника [03:14]
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decimation !up fourhunderdtypes [03:15]
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fourhunderdtypes i am a little bit of a strawberryfan [03:15]
mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com/phuctored << 64! [03:15]
assbot Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJruix ) [03:16]
asciilifeform and where's the rss thing, aha [03:16]
mircea_popescu guy's busy pimpin'. [03:16]
asciilifeform b0rk3d ? [03:16]
asciilifeform eh. [03:16]
fourhunderdtypes buried to the bingo boingos in some boss soil [03:17]
decimation vexual: why do you aussies always adopt the most fascist usg fantasies? [03:17]
mircea_popescu decimation anyway, why the driver indictment ? seems he wasn't allowed to back out [03:17]
fourhunderdtypes i can gine -10 fucks on usg [03:17]
decimation no I'm indicting the station controller [03:18]
decimation who after-the-fact claimed that she told him to back out [03:18]
fourhunderdtypes i forget [03:18]
fourhunderdtypes u troll surely [03:18]
decimation but nobody seems to remember that [03:18]
decimation "Incredibly, the second train?s driver, Connie Conner, proceeded into L?Enfant Plaza even after she heard her counterpart in the train a few hundred feet ahead asking for clearance to reverse course and return to the station. A controller says she twice ordered Ms. Conner to stop her train short of the station; Ms. Conner denies it." [03:19]
fourhunderdtypes can u dumb it down a little? [03:19]
mircea_popescu ah [03:19]
decimation "In a separate debriefing, however, ROCC controller Vale?re White contradicted Conner, saying that she did give that order. ?I go, to 510: ?510, stop your train.? I said it to her twice.?" [03:19]
fourhunderdtypes oh, right, yes, we're all drunk all day [03:20]
fourhunderdtypes and everything coasts 2 million dollars [03:20]
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fourhunderdtypes it gets uber cinfusing [03:21]
decimation and your construction is shit [03:21]
fourhunderdtypes nope [03:21]
fourhunderdtypes we miht fail on nukesub, but everything simpler is easy [03:22]
decimation but mainly your government seems to want to control the internet [03:22]
decimation which is highly amusing [03:22]
fourhunderdtypes oh, yeha [03:22]
fourhunderdtypes thatll fail [03:23]
fourhunderdtypes www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HLY1NTe04M fuck republicans [03:24]
fourhunderdtypes i want my shit for free [03:25]
decimation why would changing australia into a republic change anything important? [03:26]
fourhunderdtypes if i dont marry a foreigner, im not a torrorist [03:26]
fourhunderdtypes yeah i dunno, i don't vote [03:27]
decimation I heard that marrying a white girl is the same as selling an abo gasoline [03:27]
decimation http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/712/396/b9a.png [03:27]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJskeV ) [03:27]
fourhunderdtypes lol [03:27]
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mircea_popescu wut, bushwhacker humour not appreciated in the west end ?! WHO KNEW!!! [03:29]
fourhunderdtypes hey i could make a ballet [03:30]
mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6v9czop681qg8ft2o1_1280.jpg << i confess the thigh ankle leather wraps are a splendid idea. [03:30]
fourhunderdtypes the morrocan hash is heavy tho [03:30]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJszqt ) [03:30]
mircea_popescu s/ankle/wrist/ anyway [03:30]
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cazalla decimation, i should do a voice over youtube video for that meme [03:31]
decimation heh yeah I thought of you [03:31]
fourhunderdtypes fuck the meme, see the balet [03:32]
cazalla something in this manner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gokBHXc5HaU [03:33]
assbot It's called Bitcoin, dad - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJsMKb ) [03:33]
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decimation hehe [03:34]
fourhunderdtypes yeah thats well and well, but ... [03:34]
mircea_popescu !up chewie_ [03:34]
-assbot- You voiced chewie_ for 30 minutes. [03:34]
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fourhunderdtypes mmm goat [03:41]
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fourhunderdtypes " of the crooked timber of humanity no correct thing was ever made. " < this mustbe in my ballet [03:43]
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punkman http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-court-california-raisins-20150623-story.html [03:48]
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cazalla eatinstrawberry, ya having a few drinks there vexual? [03:58]
eatinstrawberry never [03:58]
cazalla while eating muh chicken wings for lunch, i was tempted to go and get some rum but i fell asleep instead.. change of heart once i woke up [03:59]
eatinstrawberry oh noes [04:00]
eatinstrawberry u felloff the wagns? [04:00]
mircea_popescu anbd in today's installment we find that online ad networks are positively fucking insane. the kabuki seems to be, "we serve up some html heavy pages of random nouns and you sign up". [04:00]
cazalla nah, still sober (3 1/2 weeks) [04:01]
mircea_popescu let aloine the "do you motherfuckers take bitcoin" point, no specs are offered whatsoever. i can't see what fucking sites they run [04:01]
mircea_popescu why the fuck would i care to deal with such idiots ? if they had the golden goose, why would i ? they don';t know enough about selling to sell me on their own fucking salesmanship already [04:01]
eatinstrawberry u take bitcoin right? [04:01]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, you can take the boy out of romania... [04:02]
mircea_popescu button, "advertisers" spawns " Overview Audiences Engagement Performance" [04:02]
mircea_popescu what the motherfucking hell is this ?! [04:02]
mircea_popescu http://exponential.com/advertisers-overview/ << what the shit ? [04:02]
assbot For Advertisers - Exponential ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJulaZ ) [04:02]
eatinstrawberry lol [04:02]
mircea_popescu they keep changing names every thirty weeks too, like any internet scammer. [04:02]
cazalla eatinstrawberry, try and use "romanian" and "paypal" in a legitimate sentence lol [04:02]
eatinstrawberry fucking easy [04:03]
mircea_popescu cazalla you know i had an account for a decade +, which ~I~ closed ? [04:03]
mircea_popescu business verified, the works. [04:03]
eatinstrawberry ive got overt varieties [04:03]
cazalla yeah i know where to buy those too :P [04:04]
mircea_popescu heck, i'm on the record buying bitcoins with it. [04:04]
mircea_popescu how about that. find someone who can buy btc with paypal eh. [04:04]
cazalla from someone in your wot? [04:05]
eatinstrawberry shall i count to 100? [04:05]
mircea_popescu !gettrust rammerhammer mircea_popescu [04:05]
assbot Trust relationship from user rammerhammer to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=rammerhammer&to=mircea_popescu | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/mircea_popescu/ [04:05]
cazalla the amusing part about this, to me anyway, is that /r/bitcoin often promotes bitcoin for use in such countries because of paypal's antics [04:06]
mircea_popescu the funny thing to me is that the general internet population assumes nationality = residence. [04:06]
mircea_popescu lulz of all time. peasants online. [04:06]
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mircea_popescu !up fromphuctor [04:06]
-assbot- You voiced fromphuctor for 30 minutes. [04:06]
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cazalla on basis i have never left the shores of australia.. i reluctantly agree [04:07]
eatinstrawberry whaa? [04:07]
mircea_popescu "Maximize your unsold inventory" herp. [04:07]
mircea_popescu pulsepoint doesn't even load. [04:07]
mircea_popescu jesus fuck the world's coming to an end over here. nobody seems to be doing any work anymore. [04:08]
fromphuctor hello [04:08]
fromphuctor do I have a voice? [04:09]
mircea_popescu "Our Solutions Leadership About Us Careers News Contact" who the fuck thought this is how you do it ? it's almost like the soviet butcher, "we're the advertising shop, we don't have publishers. fish is what they don't have in the shop down the street" [04:09]
cazalla also amusing they related a bitcoin transaction with fraud when it is really the antithesis to that sorta thing (except humble bundle who rumour is got carded big time for gaming codes using coinbase) [04:09]
mircea_popescu yes. what did you want to say fromphuctor ? [04:09]
eatinstrawberry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT5AQIlmM0I [04:09]
assbot Flight of the Conchords Ep2 She's So Hot - Boom - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJuDP6 ) [04:09]
eatinstrawberry fuck i got assbot [04:09]
fromphuctor I'm unable to submit my GPG key online to Phuctor [04:10]
mircea_popescu cazalla yes, very amusing how the stupid brain doesn't merely fail to work, but manages to work contrary t osense. you'd think this has to be engineered, but apparently iot comes naturally [04:10]
mircea_popescu out of bad strawberries. [04:10]
fromphuctor it's an as-of-yet unpublished GPG key because I wanted to make sure it's not easily factorable [04:10]
mircea_popescu fromphuctor well atm it's working through a lengthy list of keys already extant on the sks servers. [04:10]
fromphuctor it's quite a large key with a few subkeys, total upload size is around 13K [04:10]
mircea_popescu so what's it say ? [04:11]
fromphuctor HTTP 500 [04:11]
mircea_popescu insist a few times [04:11]
fromphuctor okay, I'll keep sending [04:11]
fromphuctor I figured it was either failing due to the key being too large or due to it not being published anywhere [04:12]
mircea_popescu it's most likely failure due to the fact that the apache bit is last in line at the cpu through [04:12]
fromphuctor so it's most likely that phuctor's just too loaded right now? [04:12]
fromphuctor gotcha [04:12]
mircea_popescu it's been too loaded for months as it cuts through millions of 'em [04:12]
fromphuctor is there code I can run locally to attempt to factor it and save Phuctor's CPU time? [04:13]
mircea_popescu well, an implementation of gcd is what you need, and the P [04:13]
mircea_popescu which is like half a gig by now iirc [04:13]
fromphuctor gcd as in the math function? does it exist in a binary? [04:13]
fromphuctor and do I need P if I don't particularly care about collisions? [04:14]
mircea_popescu uh [04:14]
mircea_popescu ok, you've winded me. [04:14]
fromphuctor sorry :-| [04:14]
eatinstrawberry who? [04:14]
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mircea_popescu a) if you're looking for binaries it's unlikely your key is your weak point ; b) gcd is an algorithm, i guess you could call it a function. "greatest common divisor" ; c) P is at the core of this, as it looks for MUTUAL divisors [04:15]
fromphuctor I'm mainly trying to determine if I have generated a key with bad entropy leading to bad primes meaning easy factorability [04:15]
mircea_popescu you could run a probabilistic test on your own machine for your own modulus. if you have a good rng this usually woirks, [04:15]
mircea_popescu but it's what gpg does anyway [04:15]
fromphuctor so Phuctor's main advantage is that it retains the information it has gained by going through all the other keys? [04:15]
mircea_popescu exactly. [04:16]
fromphuctor gotcha [04:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00041514 = 12.4542 BTC [+] {4} [04:16]
fromphuctor so I don't gain much by just running it locally without P [04:16]
mircea_popescu well, again, gpg has a probabilistic test for primality baked in. [04:16]
mircea_popescu but nothing keeps you from simplytrying to factor your own modulus on your own machine [04:16]
mircea_popescu you could not use gcd for this, however, as gcd is an algorithm to find shared factors, not simply factors. you'd have to have something to compare against. [04:17]
fromphuctor alright, sleeves need to be rolled up. I'll probably have to dig into ASN.1, extract the public keys, and then try factoring them with a kludged together Python script [04:17]
mircea_popescu !s pgpdump [04:18]
assbot 8 results for 'pgpdump' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pgpdump [04:18]
fromphuctor better, nice [04:18]
fromphuctor in the meantime, I'll probably script something that sends my file to Phuctor repeatedly until I stop getting an error. [04:18]
fromphuctor provided that doesn't get me flagged. [04:18]
mircea_popescu jsut send it a few times, eh. [04:18]
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fromphuctor until I stop getting 500 [04:19]
cazalla !up eatinstrawberry [04:19]
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fromphuctor thanks for the pointers in the right direction, have a great day [04:24]
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cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175887 <<< i might be uncultured swine but i've never understood the appeal of the opera house.. i'd demolish it if i had my way [04:49]
assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 05:28:25; decimation: the megaprojects guy describes the failure of the sydney opera house: "The cost overrun was 1400%. And as always when cost overruns happen, the architect was blamed, and his work situation became so uncomfortable, he found that he actually left the project in the middle, with his family, and flew out of Australia, never to return." [04:49]
cazalla this extends as far back as school excursions to the stupid fucking place [04:49]
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* mircea_popescu enjoys opera [05:16]
mircea_popescu hard to find these days tho. lotta crap. [05:16]
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davout +1 to opera [05:20]
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cazalla i've never known anyone to go to the sydney opera house for opera, not so sure they even have such things on a reg occurance, more bands, abo dance, international acts sorta thing [05:31]
cazalla in other australian news - http://i.imgur.com/fw7Fq8z.png - aussie government welfare app #22, they must be quite happy with that [05:32]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1eIAzyT ) [05:32]
mircea_popescu better than pool [05:35]
cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1176185 <<< you actually finished them off? bit shocked tbh [05:35]
assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 07:06:30; mircea_popescu: out of bad strawberries. [05:35]
cazalla ya should've had kramer take it back [05:35]
mircea_popescu "it comes naturally...out of bad strawberries." [05:36]
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cazalla tried growing em one year but possums got to em [05:47]
cazalla some japanese variety, forget the name [05:47]
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shinohai Good morning, #b-a. If there is a gpg expert here that has a moment to spare I have a question. [06:00]
davout shinohai: just ask [06:02]
shinohai I am reserching methods of making a larger key and found this: http://teravice.com/wp/index.php/2014/01/22/create-large-gnupg-keys-step-by-step-2/ [06:03]
assbot Create large GnuPG Keys Step by Step Part 1 (8192 to 16384 bits long) | Technology is in our lives… ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhMu5f ) [06:03]
shinohai So my question is, is this accurate information? [06:03]
shinohai I certainly don't want to do anything that compromises the security f my key intentionally. [06:04]
davout shinohai: looks like it would work [06:04]
davout except it's probably pointless [06:04]
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shinohai M'kay [06:05]
davout also it's weird that this isn't some sort of constant [06:05]
davout if you need to change the code in two places to change a single scalar [06:06]
mircea_popescu there is no serious benefit offered by a key larger than 4096. for one thing, we don't currently have any reason to believe even 2k keys can actually be factored. [06:06]
mircea_popescu fore the other, at that level it would doubtlessly be cheaper to crack the symmetric cypher involved [06:06]
davout that remains to be demonstrated [06:06]
davout shinohai: and even if it was more secure you'd still message counter parties with keys that are smaller than yours [06:07]
mircea_popescu what, that blowfish or whatever dies before 4096 rsa ? [06:07]
davout isn't aes the symmetric cipher used by GPG? [06:08]
mircea_popescu you can pick out of a list. [06:08]
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davout if the symmetric cipher security isn't based on the intractability of factoring large numbers you can't really tell which one will be broken before the other [06:09]
shinohai Thanks guy. So until such a time that RSA 4096 is broken, we're still quite safe. [06:10]
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davout there's a difference between a key size being considered insecure and an algorithm being broken [06:12]
mircea_popescu quite. [06:12]
davout if we find an efficient algorithm for factoring large numbers we can also kiss RSA 8192 good bye [06:12]
shinohai O.o [06:12]
mircea_popescu that's basically the idea here. 4k is large enough, 8k doesn't improve anything. [06:12]
davout and hand around one-time pads at conferences [06:13]
mircea_popescu anyway, im off. laters! [06:13]
shinohai o/ [06:14]
shinohai Thanks for your help again! I'm akways trying to learn and not make terrible noob mistakes. [06:14]
shinohai At least not constantly. [06:14]
davout shinohai: if you want to improve your crypto skills do the matasano challenges [06:15]
davout http://cryptopals.com/ [06:15]
assbot The Matasano Crypto Challenges ... ( http://bit.ly/1dhNaYo ) [06:15]
shinohai That looks interesting, bookmarked. [06:16]
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shinohai https://youtu.be/RJm3cRRvPoM <<< just wow. [06:28]
assbot Selling a 10 oz Silver Bar for $10 (When It's Worth $160) - EXPERIMENT - - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1fE7aWR ) [06:28]
shinohai Why yes, you *can* have my cup of ramen noodles. [06:29]
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cazalla shinohai, did ya know mark dice is A) major clickbait faggot B) goes around offering gold coins and silver bars really cheap but when someone tries to take him up on the offer, he refuses and just edits the footage so as not to include it [06:58]
shinohai I did not know that cazalla though he struck me as kind of a douche. [07:00]
cazalla he was a protege of alex jones but got all butt hurt and so pretty much copies everything that loon does [07:02]
shinohai If he reneged on said offer to me, I'd pribably go to jail for assault. [07:02]
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shinohai https://i.imgur.com/S4ndtvH.gif [10:06]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NexiCm ) [10:06]
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punkman !up Anduck [10:55]
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Anduck thanks [10:55]
Anduck ok well, anyone know how to verify deedbot.org deeds? [10:55]
Anduck there's no documentation about that. [10:55]
Anduck no code either [10:56]
punkman I think you just gotta SHA256 the deed bundle and use that as the private exponent [10:56]
Anduck hmm, seems to work. thanks! [10:57]
punkman http://www.cnbc.com/id/102784968 [11:00]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QREQB1 ) [11:00]
punkman "Ades Stone talks about the Treasury's decision to put a woman on the $10 bill and why she thinks a woman should be on the $20, too." [11:01]
punkman "please show your support by joining our Virtual March to the White House, using the hashtag #DearMrPresident." [11:03]
punkman oh they got virtual marches nao [11:03]
punkman because too fat to walk [11:04]
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danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174811 << ya [11:24]
assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 00:11:52; williamdunne: Is this DPB? http://cointelegraph.com/storage/uploads/view/f42abf63ce15666be179844d74acfa74.jpg [11:24]
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chetty scotuscare lives :/ [11:32]
shinohai America the beautiful: http://www.biebuzz.com/2015/06/a-man-from-alabama-has-been-charged.html [11:37]
assbot A man from Alabama has been charged with sexually harassing a dog as he sought to get revenge on his wife who was giving it too much attention. [11:37]
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decimation http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/25/us-usa-court-healthcare-idUSKBN0P51V220150625 < ""Congress passed the Affordable Care Act to improve health insurance markets, not to destroy them," Roberts wrote in the court's decision, adding that nationwide availability of the credits is required to "avoid the type of calamitous result that Congress plainly meant to avoid."" [12:29]
assbot U.S. Supreme Court upholds key Obamacare insurance subsidies [12:29]
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decimation people have hanged for the letter of the law [12:29]
decimation it's a colossal joke that this ruling gets handed down by the king's judges, in the 800th year of the magna carta - which itself was a joke and used as propaganda [12:32]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu: https://imgur.com/a/WjQbx [13:06]
assbot Bitcoffee, Buenos Aires, Argentina - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1TP3dhJ ) [13:06]
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shinohai "El cafe que te vuelve inteligente" <<< I drink, I get smart [13:17]
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mats not quite [13:52]
mircea_popescu fluffypony i think i had a cup there with mthreat coupla weeks ago. coffee's not bad [13:53]
fluffypony very cool [13:54]
mircea_popescu silver down to 16 huh ? where is that guy came in here was an expert that hadn't been wrong in a decade knew for usre silver's going up ? [13:55]
mats ;;seen badon [13:57]
gribble badon was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, 58 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: hi punkman [13:57]
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mircea_popescu i guess it's gonna go up eventually. [14:02]
mircea_popescu provided silverware comes into fashion with the chinese middle class or something [14:03]
mircea_popescu If he reneged on said offer to me, I'd pribably go to jail for assault. << over a hundred bux ? what are you, bugsy ? [14:03]
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* asciilifeform discovered, during unrelated research, that xilinx's 'coolrunner' cpld series - a very simple programmable logic gizmo with very homogeneous/regular physical structure - can hold a simple risc cpu... [14:06]
mats neat [14:06]
asciilifeform z80-style, lacking multiplier & divider [14:07]
asciilifeform and scarcely room for barrel shifter [14:07]
asciilifeform but cpu, yes [14:07]
mircea_popescu he has a point tho. anyone feel like writing up a documentation page for trinque to stick up there ? [14:08]
mircea_popescu "Ades Stone talks about the Treasury's decision to put a woman on the $10 bill and why she thinks a woman should be on the $20, too." << "because they've not done anything worth the mention so perhaps if we do they start ?" [14:08]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174811 << ya << shit, there go my ocr skills! [14:09]
assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 00:11:52; williamdunne: Is this DPB? http://cointelegraph.com/storage/uploads/view/f42abf63ce15666be179844d74acfa74.jpg [14:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well z80 had a multiplier and iirc shifter [14:10]
asciilifeform mats: this is a pretty major result, imho. because the cpld products haven't changed in nearly a decade, and their internal structure is extremely regular (no special-purpose blocks) [14:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no multiplier [14:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: go, look [14:11]
asciilifeform and iirc had ordinary, not barrel, shifter [14:11]
mircea_popescu o.O [14:11]
asciilifeform (barrel shifter, named for the characteristic physical shape of the circuit on the die, allows shifting n bits in one clock cycle) [14:11]
mircea_popescu http://cpctech.cpc-live.com/docs/mult.html < right you are. [14:13]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GAu3QK ) [14:13]
mircea_popescu http://sgate.emt.bme.hu/patai/publications/z80guide/part4.html << considering all the work one has to go through to mult. i dunno, i recalled it had the instruction. i guess memory rots. [14:14]
assbot Z80 Assembly ... ( http://bit.ly/1GAu9YH ) [14:14]
asciilifeform everyone forgets the gruntwork, remembers the joy, aha [14:14]
mircea_popescu lol [14:16]
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asciilifeform ;;later tell kakobrekla those headphones suck donkey ballz. sound like russian telephone. [14:20]
gribble The operation succeeded. [14:20]
mircea_popescu russian chocolate good, russian telephone bad mkay! [14:20]
shinohai @ mircea_popescu truth and honesty have a far greater value than anything else. Besides,he has a face like Mark Zuckerberg that you just want to punch for no reason. [14:21]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'iphone' sounds similar [14:21]
mircea_popescu shinohai you mean a... pause... BABY FACE ??? [14:21]
shinohai >.> [14:21]
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asciilifeform 'face like Mark Zuckerberg that you just want to punch for no reason' << we call this 'морда просит кирпича' (mug that begs for a brick) [14:22]
shinohai I like the Russian idiom [14:23]
shinohai My sides: http://redd.it/3b2ajg [14:25]
assbot VPS with GUI? : beermoney ... ( http://bit.ly/1TPf3IH ) [14:25]
mircea_popescu "fata care cere palme" < face that demands slapping [14:25]
asciilifeform betcha even pygmies have this phrase [14:25]
asciilifeform even eskimo [14:26]
shinohai Is that Romanian ? [14:26]
mircea_popescu ~92 Online Moneymakers [14:26]
mircea_popescu heh. advertising, amirite ? [14:26]
shinohai I see little point in running a VPS to make $20 in Amazon giftcards [14:27]
shinohai But, to each his own. [14:28]
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kakobrekla asciilifeform which, superlux ? [14:33]
asciilifeform aha [14:34]
kakobrekla amplified? [14:34]
asciilifeform sound card [14:34]
kakobrekla doh [14:34]
asciilifeform why? [14:34]
asciilifeform what does kakobrekla connect them to ? [14:35]
kakobrekla integrated amp [14:35]
asciilifeform integrated into what? [14:35]
kakobrekla its what amp+preamp is called, comes with volume control and input selector [14:36]
asciilifeform thing is, sound card is precisely how loud i want them [14:36]
kakobrekla its not about loudness [14:36]
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kakobrekla this is what they are plugged into http://www.hifiengine.com/images/model/denon_pma-350se_stereo_integrated_amplifier.jpg [14:37]
kakobrekla bought it 10 years ago [14:37]
asciilifeform let me guess - they aren't standard impedance ? [14:37]
kakobrekla 64 iirc [14:37]
kakobrekla but thats china spec [14:37]
kakobrekla god knows really [14:37]
kakobrekla even so, the impedance is not fixed through the freq response [14:38]
kakobrekla so whatever [14:38]
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asciilifeform comparing with bog-standard 'bose qc15' which ~don't~ sound like russian telephone [14:38]
asciilifeform without any weird amp box [14:38]
asciilifeform everyone loves to piss on that vendor but who, precisely, else, makes usable headphone. [14:39]
kakobrekla that comparison i was making with sennheiser hd 595 and hd 650 was on 10k source+preamp [14:39]
kakobrekla overall superlux won. [14:39]
asciilifeform even the earpads on the 'superlux' feel terrible - no sweat pores; rather like a public bus seat [14:40]
kakobrekla yeah, i paid 7$ to get the 'velour' ones [14:40]
kakobrekla or whatever that thing is [14:40]
kakobrekla i dont know how some people dont mind that plastic, its horrible. [14:41]
asciilifeform i'm told that in usa folks in prison get headphones. and now i imagine i know what kind. [14:42]
kakobrekla anyway, if you have a chance to at least try them semi properly driven, please do. [14:43]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: is that a vacuum valve amp ? [14:43]
kakobrekla no [14:43]
* asciilifeform has a supply of vacuum valves, scavenged from ancient tv sets, has contemplated building amp. but this will happen - if happens - after the war. [14:44]
shinohai @ asciilifeform you can build a vaccum amp O.o [14:44]
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kakobrekla its easier than doing it solid state [14:45]
asciilifeform would have to obtain sockets. and clean +100 dc.. [14:45]
shinohai I used to play guitar. I never liked solid state amps [14:45]
asciilifeform http://lurkmore.to/%D0%A2%D1%91%D0%BF%D0%BB%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B7%D0%B2%D1%83%D0%BA << obligatory [14:46]
assbot Тёплый ламповый звук — Lurkmore ... ( http://bit.ly/1TPikaT ) [14:46]
asciilifeform 'warm lamp sound' [14:46]
asciilifeform (meme) [14:46]
asciilifeform mega-popular taunt in ru sphere, applied to various 'voodoo' [14:47]
kakobrekla i have a tube powered dac but my main power amp sits at 40kg of solid state [14:47]
asciilifeform tube dac ?! [14:47]
asciilifeform as in, 16 bits of tube ? [14:47]
kakobrekla no [14:48]
kakobrekla its a sigma delta , yes not even r2r but theres a rectifier and two output tubes [14:48]
asciilifeform iirc someone even sells a pc mobo with lamps [14:48]
asciilifeform (for preamp) [14:49]
asciilifeform http://lurkmore.to/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Tubesound.jpg << there it is! [14:49]
assbot Файл:Tubesound.jpg — Lurkmore ... ( http://bit.ly/1TPiQFV ) [14:49]
* shinohai wants to learn Russian so badly. [14:49]
kakobrekla heres a pic http://www.computeraudiophile.com/attachments/f8-general-forum/635d1338219955-logitech-transporter-back-good-modwrighttransporter1.jpg [14:50]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1TPiX4n ) [14:50]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: what are the antennae for ? [14:50]
kakobrekla wifi if you like [14:50]
asciilifeform l0l [14:50]
kakobrekla it streams flac from the server [14:51]
kakobrekla so thats bout 2k albums at the touch of a button, convenient. [14:51]
kakobrekla (as for the remote, you can actually ssh into it) [14:51]
shinohai I saw a Samsung tube amp wifi receiver for a home theater once [14:51]
shinohai I didn't know anyone still made them. [14:52]
kakobrekla most of the sw is opensource btw. [14:52]
asciilifeform most?! [14:52]
kakobrekla perhaps even all, havent checked. [14:53]
kakobrekla this runs on secondary network btw. [14:53]
kakobrekla most?! < quite sure you dont get specs for arm runnin inside it and so on [14:54]
kakobrekla so, secondary network or stick with vinyl [14:55]
asciilifeform shinohai: go, learn. whatchawaitingfor. [14:55]
shinohai Hopefully to find a native speaker, which is impossible in my small city. [14:56]
shinohai I have put out ads for 2 years offering to hire a language tutor. [14:56]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu turns out, bitcoind 0.5.4 shitgnomatic edition existed. [14:57]
gribble The operation succeeded. [14:57]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu, mod6, ben_vulpes, et al: i just don't get this 'let's use same name & versions as the fools did' thing. when we build martian city, will we name it 'washington' or 'pyongyang' ?! why? [14:57]
mats pimsleur, rosetta stone, duolingo. your tutors await. [14:59]
kakobrekla hehe the foundation has same name, wai not versions [15:05]
* kakobrekla just bitching at the unrecognizability of the f name [15:06]
decimation kakobrekla: so the sigma-delta is implented with tube or does it merely use tube as output amplifier? [15:08]
decimation or active filter? [15:08]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: What about cutting off the leading zero. Then actual releases start at version 7 or 10, following in the tradition established by the early Linux Distros. [15:09]
kakobrekla decimation as far as i can tell tubes are there as output buffer, feeding of sigma delta dac [15:11]
decimation okay, interesting [15:11]
kakobrekla the device originally came w/o the tube, the mod was an aftermarket thing [15:11]
kakobrekla http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/modwright3/transporter.html [15:11]
assbot 403 Forbidden ... ( http://bit.ly/1TPmdwv ) [15:12]
decimation I think for most cases there is almost no difference [15:12]
decimation but if you are clipping or have momentarily large signal, the behavior in the 'non-linear' domain of the amplifier will be different between tubes and transistors [15:12]
decimation I've been told (haven't experimented) that tubs tend to create even harmonics while transistors odd, when driven to near saturation [15:13]
kakobrekla yeah theres a thing with harmonics [15:13]
decimation I suspect the difference would be most noticable if you were using it as a guitar amp and then driving the thing to distort [15:14]
kakobrekla since you mention ss, i tried solid state rectifier replacement instead of tube rectifier. it was a mega fail. [15:14]
decimation as in, power rectifier? [15:15]
kakobrekla yes! [15:15]
decimation umm, use diode? [15:16]
kakobrekla i assume thats in the ss replacement [15:16]
kakobrekla havent opened it tho [15:16]
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kakobrekla i can now, since its crap. [15:16]
decimation how did it fail? buzzing or spurious signals? [15:17]
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kakobrekla the sound became unpleasant to listen to, harsh, loss in detail and huge loss in soundstage [15:18]
kakobrekla i was expecting it to beat all other tube rectifiers i have [15:19]
decimation interesting [15:19]
kakobrekla because technically its better. [15:19]
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mod6 asciilifeform: ... 0.5.4 shitgnomatic edition existed << that's weird. I did check the bitcoin git tag list, 0.5.4 isn't in there. Where do you see 0.5.4? [15:51]
asciilifeform mod6: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/release-notes/release-notes-0.5.4.md [15:52]
assbot bitcoin/release-notes-0.5.4.md at master · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmcECg ) [15:52]
mod6 huh [15:53]
kakobrekla early 2014. year and a half, feels like ages. [15:53]
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asciilifeform 0.5.4 is much older [15:55]
asciilifeform 2014 is the timestamp on the ~dir~ [15:55]
kakobrekla aha [15:55]
asciilifeform .. or is it [15:55]
mod6 maybe they never actually created a release out of that? I see no tags for 0.5.4 or 0.5.5 [15:55]
asciilifeform hm [15:55]
mod6 I don't see it in "Releases" either, but there isn't a v0.5.3 in there either. [15:56]
mod6 lol [15:56]
mod6 oh yeah there is, nvm, im blind [15:57]
mod6 it's out of order a bit [15:57]
asciilifeform https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/MPEx.co << new l0ltron [15:57]
assbot Wallet MPEx.co [WalletExplorer.com] ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmdcrU ) [15:57]
mod6 but yeah, i don't see any release artifact for v0.5.4 or v0.5.5 [15:58]
mod6 maybe it was planned, but then scrubbed and went straight to 6? [15:58]
mod6 who knows. [15:58]
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asciilifeform https://www.elliptic.co/anti-money-laundering << usgtron with elaborate graph ad [16:07]
assbot Anti-Money Laundering - Elliptic ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmebYZ ) [16:07]
asciilifeform (needs js) [16:07]
BingoBoingo maybe it was planned, but then scrubbed and went straight to 6? << They have been scrubbing the Github of old releases in recent months it seems [16:07]
mod6 ah [16:07]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: perhaps walks around with big sign on ass saying "kick plz" [16:09]
ben_vulpes if in tank, nbd [16:09]
ben_vulpes if unarmored sapper, perhaps more of a big deal [16:09]
thestringpuller mod6: so jeezy is playing tonight downtown in celebration of the 10th anniversary of tm101. and i didn't know about it. i'm half tempted to get 500 cash and go find some ticket scalpers [16:10]
asciilifeform what's a tm101 ? [16:10]
thestringpuller !b 2 [16:10]
assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2R9DXG8.txt ) [16:10]
asciilifeform https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6211 << also lulzy. phoundation regards 'buildable with classic gcc' as a bug ! [16:11]
assbot RFC: switching to C++ 11 · Issue #6211 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmeItS ) [16:11]
asciilifeform couldn't make this shit up if i tried. [16:12]
mod6 asciilifeform: hey btw, I don't think that your patches { turdmeister-alert-snip && goodbye-win32 } ever made it into the email list. [16:12]
mod6 thestringpuller: nice man! yeah, that'll definately be a cool show. [16:12]
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asciilifeform https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6320 << where they bury their shat-in pants [16:12]
assbot Wanted: Mar12Fork.dat · Issue #6320 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmePG7 ) [16:12]
asciilifeform mod6: pretty sure it's in there [16:13]
thestringpuller mod6: make me feel better for likley not being able to see it [16:13]
asciilifeform mod6: you're right! those pre-date the turdatron working correctly [16:13]
asciilifeform mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/index.html has the patches, and jurov has the sigs [16:14]
assbot ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmeYt6 ) [16:14]
asciilifeform (and i think they're also in your auto-build thing) [16:14]
asciilifeform https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6091 << turdalicious bitcoind barfs on mips arch [16:15]
assbot bitcoind bus error on MIPS ci20 running debian · Issue #6091 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jmf43Q ) [16:15]
jurov http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-06-25 re: today's morning log [16:15]
assbot Dilbert's App Stops Cyber Attack - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2015-06-25 | Dilbert by Scott Adams ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jmf1Fi ) [16:15]
mod6 asciilifeform: hmm, i can't find them. i've looked probably half-a-dozen times over the last 5 months. unless its contained in here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2014-October/000001.html (attachment.bin) [16:15]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jmf2c6 ) [16:15]
* asciilifeform has a mips ci20 but not tried it for bitcoin, considering its cost it is not a viable successor for 'pogo' [16:15]
asciilifeform mod6: see above [16:15]
mod6 <+asciilifeform> mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/index.html has the patches, and jurov has the sigs <<< ooh, ok. [16:16]
assbot ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jmf6J8 ) [16:16]
jurov http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html [16:16]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jmf6Zy ) [16:16]
asciilifeform ^ there [16:16]
jurov ^ i see rm_rf_upnp there [16:16]
asciilifeform win32 - missing [16:16]
asciilifeform hm [16:16]
mod6 yeah i added the tarballs right in website myself... just was curious that i never saw the emails. [16:16]
kakobrekla << usgtron with elaborate graph ad < meh i checked the yellow dots but there is everybody but bitbet. even jurovs coinroll is there [16:17]
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mod6 yeah, as far as the version number, in hindsight; going forward, we should probably keep all version bumps in it's own patch incase something changes. i.e. your latest IRC Full Demolition Patch. [16:18]
asciilifeform mod6: aha [16:18]
asciilifeform good point [16:18]
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asciilifeform i'll sign an identical patch sans the bump if anyone needs this. [16:18]
mod6 if we do anything else other than 5.4, that'd probably be good cause otherwise we'll hvae to patch your patch. :] [16:19]
* kakobrekla blames the css [16:19]
mod6 <+thestringpuller> mod6: make me feel better for likley not being able to see it << just throw it on your mp3 player and start hustlin' [16:20]
mod6 im about to turn it on myself. lol. [16:21]
trinque thestringpuller: now you've got me listening to young jeezy over here [16:21]
kakobrekla isnt that puberty music? [16:22]
trinque you're puberty music [16:22]
trinque (yeah, it probably is) [16:23]
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mod6 so we've talked about the versioning quite a bit since October. The deal is, if we talk about nothing other than just the format ( X.X.X.X ), we know that we'll have to change much more code than just one line to give it a new version number, as there is a bunch of stuff in there that is used to parse this value. [16:27]
asciilifeform imho it ought to be distinguishable from shitgnomatic bitcoin with the naked eye, incl. in survey charts like the one linked a few days ago [16:28]
mod6 And if we wanna call it version 69.69.69.69 then there was some sort of concerns here surrounding weather or not we'd be able to connect to other nodes. I'd have to go back and look and dig through the code a bit though, I can't recall it all off hand. [16:28]
asciilifeform but mircea_popescu seems to disagree. ask'im why [16:28]
mod6 well, my concerns were of a technical nature anyway. [16:29]
mod6 we could try some other version like 1.0.0.0 and see what happens i guess. [16:30]
mod6 I don't think that's ever been attempted iirc. [16:30]
asciilifeform worth a test [16:30]
asciilifeform unrelated: anybody try capping mempool size ? [16:31]
thestringpuller mod6: thank you! tm101 is blastin in my headphones [16:31]
mod6 yeeeeeah [16:31]
asciilifeform afaik this is the last 'blank cheque' left in the skull'n'crossbones version of therealbitcoin [16:31]
asciilifeform it needs to go. [16:31]
asciilifeform unbounded data structure on a finite machine is retarded [16:32]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: but what about the instant stuff like green addres?!?!?!? [16:32]
asciilifeform (news at 11!) [16:32]
asciilifeform waiwut [16:33]
asciilifeform the ancient discredited retardation? [16:33]
asciilifeform or some other 'green address' [16:33]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: how would you cap it? anything below some transaction fee is purged from mempool when gets greater than N-mb? [16:33]
mod6 <+asciilifeform> unrelated: anybody try capping mempool size ? << not me yet. there's a laundry list of stuff to get through yet. [16:34]
mod6 this is a good idea though. [16:34]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: right now it is 'capped' by the ram installed on your box... [16:34]
asciilifeform this is lunacy [16:34]
mod6 im currenty building a new AMI for gentoo so I/we can test wtf is going on in there with gcc/uclibc. I should be done with that in a few hours. [16:34]
thestringpuller i know but how would mempool be effectively capped so nodes don't purge "important" tx's if people spam network [16:34]
mod6 Then I'm gonna need to cut away from working on that on Saturday afternoonish at the latest to work on the SoBA -- which is looking to be lengthy for this month. [16:35]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: shooting the tx orphanage in the head rid us of the most obvious spam vector [16:35]
asciilifeform a sp4mz0r would have to spam with ~realistic~ tx [16:35]
asciilifeform that is, valid sig, and depending on existing block [16:35]
asciilifeform as i understand, they'd more or less have to be attempted doublespends [16:36]
asciilifeform it is important to remember that there is no 'important' tx from the point of view of the network [16:37]
* mircea_popescu waves [16:37]
asciilifeform only valid and invalid [16:37]
mircea_popescu o hai briggle! [16:37]
asciilifeform there he is. [16:38]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: even valid transaction can approach infinity [16:39]
mircea_popescu Hopefully to find a native speaker, which is impossible in my small city. << so buy a bride. ukr won't be cheap much longer. [16:40]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell mircea_popescu turns out, bitcoind 0.5.4 shitgnomatic edition existed. << makes exactly 0 difference. [16:40]
mircea_popescu and "washington" or "pyongyang" are NOT NUMBERS. [16:40]
mircea_popescu four followds three. this is not a function of anyone's idiocy. [16:40]
mircea_popescu will you propose ~WE~ change the versioning number when (not if) some OTHER shitgnomes release a faux version downstream ? [16:41]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: what means 'approach infinity' ? if tx is valid, nondoublespent, and has adequate fee, it is 'every bit as tx' as yours or mine [16:41]
mircea_popescu do you expect torvalds to consider what random shitforbrains released as "linux kernel" and go "hey guise we can't use version x.x, anon shitforbrains used it fiorst!!11" ? [16:41]
mircea_popescu we.do.not.care. this is because they.do.not.exist. [16:41]
mircea_popescu there has been no version of bitcoin released past 0.5.3 ; we are releasing the first one. it's 0.5.4 [16:42]
mircea_popescu that's all there is to it. [16:42]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: if the valid tx's submitted to the network approach a large number that is greater than modest machine's memory capacicty [16:42]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i grasp the logic, but notice that we sit in the gigantic spamatronic shadow of the phoundation. if nobody gives a fuck, there isn't much else to be said about this [16:42]
thestringpuller which one's get purged? [16:42]
mircea_popescu i think you're not particularly qualified to make this call. what shadow ? [16:43]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: the present situation is that they ~all~ 'get purged' when your box goes down. [16:43]
mircea_popescu is this some sort of "consensus" that they have or something ? again ? [16:43]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: this i understand. my asking is what are you proposing before machine goes down? [16:43]
mircea_popescu plox no more memory holing kthx. [16:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i did say 'spamatronic' - i.e. search engine crud. [16:43]
mircea_popescu looky here : they live in my shadow. [16:44]
mircea_popescu this is an experimentally verified fact. [16:44]
* asciilifeform not professional spamatronicist, cannot say whether this makes a difference one way or another [16:44]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: i don't have a specific proposal except that the machine ~must not go down~ [16:45]
asciilifeform that scenario is undesirable regardless of what else. [16:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: What about cutting off the leading zero. Then actual releases start at version 7 or 10, following in the tradition established by the early Linux Distros. << the problem is that the implication of having a 1 leading version (ie, mature product) is laughable. we don't. hopefully one day we will, but the current offering is not it. [16:45]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Mature version can start at 10. [16:46]
* asciilifeform grasps mircea_popescu's implication that 'the only winning move' in the decimal-point chase game with shitgnomes is 'not to play' [16:46]
mircea_popescu precisely. [16:47]
mircea_popescu more deeply : there is exactly ZERO derivative work implied in the bitcoin foundation's releases. we don't use anything they did, for the explicit reason that everything they did is shit, with the furter implication that every man who ever worked for them WASTED THEIR LIFE. [16:47]
mircea_popescu this is very important to ber there, plainly spelled out. [16:48]
asciilifeform back to the more interesting point, we still have an unbounded data structure in there... [16:48]
mircea_popescu because people must at some point come to comprehend that they are responsible , at the very least for their own lives, and that the choices they make come with consequences, and the consequences will NOT negotiate. [16:48]
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mircea_popescu so no, jwh "i just want to contribute" doth not work irl. [16:48]
BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/06/pressure-in-the-united-states-mounts-to-ban-symbols-of-rebellion-against-federal-government/ [16:51]
assbot Pressure in the United States Mounts to Ban Symbols of Rebellion Against Federal Government | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAbORw ) [16:51]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: what i was trying to get across earlier is that the very concept of 'mempool spam' is presently undefined [16:52]
asciilifeform who says what tx is 'spam'? god ? [16:52]
mircea_popescu actually a switch to create "minimally acceptable /kb subsidy" as a precondition of taking tx into mempool might be useful. [16:53]
mircea_popescu even better if the behaviour is dynamic (ie, the minimum only kicks in if the mempool is over 1mb, and selects for optimal fill) [16:53]
asciilifeform l0l, before long folks start asking for mempool inclusion fee, for self !? [16:54]
mircea_popescu this will give node operators an incentive to present good pools to the network. [16:54]
asciilifeform (vs to miner) [16:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34650 @ 0.00038998 = 13.5128 BTC [-] {2} [16:54]
mircea_popescu there has to be some import of market into mempool functioning. [16:55]
asciilifeform this sorta turns mempool into even more of a logical albatross than it already is [16:55]
mircea_popescu myeah. [16:55]
asciilifeform (why not route tx straight to miners then. why have two classes of mining..?) [16:55]
mircea_popescu dude... [16:55]
mircea_popescu ask me more questions about what this guy did in his basement. i enjoy the feelings of impotent frustration. [16:55]
asciilifeform l0lzies [16:56]
mircea_popescu anyway. i think that'd be actually +ev, but just a thought. [16:56]
asciilifeform perhaps this will wait for the 'sanity hardfork' of the distant fyootoor. [16:57]
mircea_popescu yeh [16:57]
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asciilifeform but afaik turdmeisters are already experimenting with connecting sewage pipes directly to the mempool [16:58]
asciilifeform 'to see what happenz' [16:58]
mircea_popescu anyway, i'm hearing that argument can actually be had in favour of the mempool/minerpool layered implementation. [16:58]
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BingoBoingo but afaik turdmeisters are already experimenting with connecting sewage pipes directly to the mempool << I think one of the earliest XT "selling points" by Hearnia was this for some SpamFunder called "Lighthouse" [16:59]
mircea_popescu specifically : that at the very least it should not be possible for one to fire a missile at any place that scarfs up txn or knows about them and hit a miner. [16:59]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this has a bit of a recursion problem: how does mempool operator know that he is being paid ? [16:59]
mircea_popescu he doesn't. [16:59]
asciilifeform the whole notion of a payment is defined in reference to blockchain [16:59]
mircea_popescu yes. [16:59]
asciilifeform unless i misunderstand, 'fee for mempool inclusion' is... an epicycle. [17:00]
asciilifeform in the classical sense. [17:00]
asciilifeform how does the operator determine anything whatsoever re: the validity of 'mempool fee' addressed to him ? [17:01]
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asciilifeform or is he 'running a tab' for folks, and relying on a wotnet ? [17:01]
asciilifeform (somehow bolted on) [17:02]
mircea_popescu in this way : some mempools, by virtue of being well curated, get to talk first to miners. [17:02]
mircea_popescu inclusion in one of these is valuable, and so a private deal can be had. [17:02]
asciilifeform so ^ then. [17:02]
mircea_popescu allows mempools to be run like a service, much like say a website works. [17:02]
mircea_popescu right. [17:02]
asciilifeform as i understand, we already have a 'bezzle' in the net - the unmetered resource, 'blank cheque,' of the mempools. as all 'meat in the sun without flies', it is a very ephemeral thing [17:03]
scoopbot_revived Eulora third event - Sunday, June 28th http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-third-event-sunday-june-28th/ [17:03]
asciilifeform somehow - it will end. [17:03]
mircea_popescu i've been saying for years it's the one vulnerability. [17:03]
mircea_popescu no big surprise gavin & gang are attacking it while claiming it';s all about anything else. [17:04]
asciilifeform can end in some 'dirty' equilibrium, where everybody's living room is filled to capacity with precisely how many rabid weasels it can hold, [17:04]
asciilifeform or somewhere more 'clean.' [17:04]
asciilifeform i'd prefer 'clean.' [17:04]
mircea_popescu it's not. they want to shoot it in the neck. [17:04]
asciilifeform it's the one ~protocol~ vuln, yes [17:06]
asciilifeform there are the mechanics vulns of the shit-stack [17:06]
asciilifeform (needs no elaboration, everyone here knows more than ever wanted to) [17:06]
mircea_popescu myeah. [17:07]
mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6hr99QPZ71rozn8uo1_1280.jpg << wut da fuck nigga!!!1 [17:08]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAei2k ) [17:08]
asciilifeform mmmhhhmphhfm [17:08]
shinohai I imagine there is an unseen strapon somewhere in that image. [17:09]
asciilifeform ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/06/pressure-in-the-united-states-mounts-to-ban-symbols-of-rebellion-against-federal-government << is pretty plainly a 'kick the dog till it bites, then shoot it' gambit on usg's part [17:11]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:11]
assbot Pressure in the United States Mounts to Ban Symbols of Rebellion Against Federal Government | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAeJJW ) [17:11]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Gotta document the kick [17:11]
mircea_popescu dood gets it. [17:12]
mircea_popescu yeah, you gotta document the kick. [17:12]
mircea_popescu it's our own "kick the usg till it bites, then shoot it" gambit. [17:12]
mircea_popescu Recently agitators in the United States along with officials in various government capacities have been exploiting a recent minor tragedy << would work without the 2nd recent too [17:12]
asciilifeform the 'kick' has been in continuous progression since at least 'bloody kansas incident' [17:13]
asciilifeform if not earlier [17:13]
asciilifeform and cw1 was the first shot [17:13]
asciilifeform dog - still alive (or dogcatcher suspects at any rate) [17:13]
asciilifeform 2nd shot probably soon. [17:13]
asciilifeform (yes, i favour 'cw1', like ww1. the latter had to wait for 'ww2', but why wait to use correct term?) [17:14]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo can you still buy guy fawkes masks ? [17:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i was gonna say "why not take it back to civil war" to you, but then i realised what cw1 was. [17:14]
asciilifeform aha. [17:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00039201 = 6.1938 BTC [+] [17:15]
mircea_popescu Some unnamed genius at the company feels << this is the important part. do not allow the fucktard remain anonymous. [17:16]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo call up the corp, ask who did it ? [17:16]
mircea_popescu ask who doesn't want to tell you, why don't they want to tell you ? [17:16]
mircea_popescu put names in there. [17:16]
mircea_popescu always put names in there. [17:16]
mircea_popescu this isn't about principles. this is about particular morons being particularly moronic. they are personally responsible. [17:17]
mircea_popescu cut their vague generalities straight from under them. [17:17]
trinque "who in his manifest" << manifesto [17:18]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo can you still buy guy fawkes masks ? << Yes [17:19]
trinque "mantel" << mantle [17:19]
shinohai http://toucharcade.com/2015/06/25/apple-removes-confederate-flag/ [17:19]
assbot Apple Removes All American Civil War Games From the App Store Because of the Confederate Flag | Touch Arcade ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAgs22 ) [17:19]
BingoBoingo Some unnamed genius at the company feels << this is the important part. do not allow the fucktard remain anonymous. << will search. Likely committee action. Just quoting Cooter's thoughts on the action there [17:20]
mircea_popescu name the committee, as individuals. [17:21]
trinque who needs govt force when american companies are so happy to provide it on the govt's behalf [17:21]
mircea_popescu the point is to allow no quarter. there is no excuse. joint and several liability exists to deal with exactly this sort of situation. [17:21]
mircea_popescu a committee did it ? you each did it, individually, the full thing. [17:21]
mircea_popescu bang. [17:21]
asciilifeform shinohai: before long, u.s. civil war material will look like german edition of 'wolfenstein' [17:21]
mircea_popescu trinque "american companies" are exactly government entitites. [17:21]
asciilifeform covered in mysterious ahistorical blobs [17:22]
trinque mircea_popescu: yes, I see your point [17:22]
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mircea_popescu and so no. an "american company" did it ? obama did it. [17:22]
shinohai So dumb. If only history had a blockchain. [17:22]
mircea_popescu if you have a company it's his company. [17:23]
BingoBoingo shinohai: before long, u.s. civil war material will look like german edition of 'wolfenstein' << Already happening in Apple App store [17:23]
asciilifeform can't wait to see what the 'new flag' looks like. [17:23]
asciilifeform and when ~it~ banned. [17:23]
mircea_popescu no new flags. [17:23]
mircea_popescu no new anything. [17:23]
asciilifeform http://www.nag.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/28-09-Image-Joined.jpg [17:23]
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asciilifeform http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/l/21328-return-to-castle-wolfenstein-windows-screenshot-a-modified.jpg [17:24]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAhye2 ) [17:24]
BingoBoingo new flag looks like https://33.media.tumblr.com/f5814086bf70d5022dc23dbf68159f81/tumblr_inline_naq2upNSfM1sxlrl8.jpg [17:25]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAhH1d ) [17:25]
shinohai https://transfer.sh/1gKOaO/wtfjew.png [17:25]
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mircea_popescu heh. the flags are either the imperial gold with whatever schmuck's escutcheon (i suppose fried chicken and watermelon for the current holder ?) or else the guelph red, or white, or blue, with the horse, the tower, the you name it. [17:34]
BingoBoingo replace the stars on the current banner with little watermelons, repatern the stripes like a KFC bucket [17:36]
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chetty ooo I want one [17:37]
mircea_popescu and in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5za875MVy1r6mifwo1_1280.jpg [17:45]
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mircea_popescu "In addition to the embarrassment of having their bro-y, bitchin’ orgy leaked online—you can view uncensored portions below—Pearson (who is also the manager’s son), Hopper and Smith can be heard making at least one racially insensitive remark toward the three Thai girls involved with the players." [18:04]
mircea_popescu bwahahaha. racially insensitive eh ? [18:04]
shinohai @ mircea_popescu if I find a Russian bride in the form of that pic you just posted, I would be a very happy person indeed. [18:04]
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kakobrekla Russian bride < who gets paid in that deal? [18:06]
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mircea_popescu good q huh. [18:15]
mircea_popescu but let's instead count ribs. http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3ofp6umz41r05yn1o1_1280.jpg [18:15]
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cazalla http://bangordailynews.com/2015/06/25/news/nation/fbi-rounds-up-suspected-lone-wolves/ [18:20]
assbot FBI rounds up suspected lone wolves — Nation — Bangor Daily News — BDN Maine ... ( http://bit.ly/1BEKKhY ) [18:20]
shinohai @ cazalla so they can attempt to turn them into their own assets [18:22]
trinque so this is NSA wiretapping plus FBI parallel construction plus arresting based on thoughtcrime alone [18:25]
mircea_popescu "The FBI has been rounding up more potential “lone wolf” terrorists, congressional leaders and the Justice Department say, in response to the perception of a mounting threat of domestic attacks inspired by the Islamic State." [18:25]
trinque nice. that's progress. [18:25]
mircea_popescu check it out, hanbot's thesis is well confirmed... by the wolf's own mouth. [18:25]
mircea_popescu islamic state my foot. your own people hate you because you're hateful, contemptible twerps, yo. nothing isis can or could do has anything in there. [18:26]
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mircea_popescu The recent arrests are “an indication that the increased number of threads of threats … is at the highest level that most of us have seen since 9/11,” Chairman Richard Burr of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence told us in an interview. [18:27]
mircea_popescu His comments track with those of his House counterpart Devin Nunes, who said earlier this week that the country is at a higher risk of terrorism than ever before. [18:27]
mircea_popescu that's ok. it'll be a lot worse next year. and the next and the next, and who knows, maybe it makes it till 2020 even. [18:27]
mircea_popescu seems dubious. [18:27]
mircea_popescu “There are more of these guys to follow than we can possibly follow,” Sen. Lindsey Graham told us. “It’s just a matter of time before one of them penetrates the net.” [18:29]
mircea_popescu aaaite. [18:29]
mircea_popescu what now asciilifeform ? lizards lying about how fucked they are ? [18:30]
asciilifeform sop, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1170057 [18:35]
assbot Logged on 20-06-2015 22:46:02; asciilifeform: i will describe, for the benefit of n00bz, the typical career path of 'let's resist usg through action' in usgland: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2014#623044 [18:35]
trinque there are eventually not going to be enough cops to deal with the number of people tired of their shitty lives. [18:36]
asciilifeform the 'your own people hate you' thing isn't false, as such, but a newspiece about the arrest of one Abdul Rahman is not really proof of this [18:36]
trinque and sometime after that occurs they'll realize this is the case [18:37]
asciilifeform trinque: so far this is like proton decay [18:37]
* asciilifeform waits [18:37]
trinque I wouldn't expect that any rival political thing would form among the orcs going apeshit [18:38]
trinque just that them doing so might open doors for others [18:38]
asciilifeform i can buy an argument re: joe stack et al., but these schmucks are products of usg entrapment program and are really best understood through 'psychiatric' lens, rather than criminalistic much less 'revolutionary' [18:39]
trinque sure, I just see 'em all as things which increase the load average of the state [18:39]
asciilifeform the folks described in the linked piece are 'load on the state' in strictly the same sense as the traditional '4th of july' fireworks display. [18:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform they REPORT the guy by that name. [18:44]
mircea_popescu so they can decry the racism of it. bla bla. [18:44]
mircea_popescu look at the unreported names. [18:44]
asciilifeform my chronoscope's broken [18:44]
asciilifeform where can i see the unreported names. [18:44]
mircea_popescu on qntra. [18:44]
asciilifeform tomorrow's ? [18:45]
mircea_popescu erryday's!!11 [18:45]
mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2015/06/attack-on-dallas-pd-headquarters-another-drop-in-bucket-of-frustrated-americans/ << liek. but yes, i'm sure tomorrow's also. [18:45]
assbot Attack on Dallas PD Headquarters: Another Drop in Bucket of Frustrated Americans | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkNsKW ) [18:45]
cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1176740 <<< how would a ban on that stop anything? ya just make your own at home http://i.imgur.com/SJGNdld.jpg [18:45]
assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 20:10:20; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo can you still buy guy fawkes masks ? [18:45]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkNvGG ) [18:45]
mod6 finally. new AMI created. that only took ... you don't wanna know. [18:46]
mircea_popescu kidney ? [18:46]
trinque cazalla: bahaha [18:46]
asciilifeform what's an ami [18:46]
mod6 amazon image. [18:46]
asciilifeform ah [18:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the proposition that joe stack is not revolutionary seems alike the proposition that you're innocent of math. [18:47]
mircea_popescu he actually says the words. [18:47]
mod6 so i create gentoo via stage3 whole process in an instance, then have to create snapshot & make image from snapshot. deploy new instance from image. [18:47]
asciilifeform l0l [18:47]
mircea_popescu what, this is an item accidentally shaped like a tree that coincidentally drops plantains to the ground, but not for this reason a plantain tree ? [18:47]
* asciilifeform reread stack's death letter, grants that 'revolutionary' - but a weirdo softy who doesn't like killing [18:47]
mircea_popescu revolutionaries are generally like that in their writing. [18:48]
mircea_popescu see the french. [18:48]
asciilifeform no i meant the waiting-until-place-is-empty part [18:48]
asciilifeform he could've easily burned it down full ? [18:48]
mircea_popescu did i ever tell you the story about the blue collar guy who had caritas tickets ? [18:48]
asciilifeform ? [18:49]
trinque asciilifeform: at least among my meatwot the building being empty played much better [18:49]
trinque than the alternative [18:49]
mircea_popescu so this one guy, working in a furniture shop, had played this romanian ponzi scheme. early. and kept putting it all in. [18:49]
mircea_popescu so he had an immense sum to pick up, and he was scheduled to do so a friday evening. [18:49]
mircea_popescu so he asked his workshop boss to let him go to THE STATIUM [18:49]
mircea_popescu where he'd have had to wheelbarrow his cash home after being in line for hours. [18:50]
mircea_popescu boss wouldn't hear of it [18:50]
mircea_popescu man didn't go [18:50]
mircea_popescu that saturday morning the thing collapsed. [18:50]
asciilifeform happens [18:50]
mircea_popescu to joe stacks. [18:50]
asciilifeform did he spin around with machine gun ? [18:50]
mircea_popescu was he by this token "not minded to be rich" ? [18:50]
mircea_popescu simple people miss their funerals because some workshop boss didn't let them off. way the world works. [18:51]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-02-2015#1005563 << see also. [18:51]
assbot Logged on 03-02-2015 23:43:58; asciilifeform: winnie pooh walks into a butcher's shop, asks 'got mortadella' ? answer, 'sure' winnie pooh draws a submachinegun and spins round, round, round with it, mowing down everything that moves: 'for piiigleet!' [18:51]
mircea_popescu there's more twu wuv crushed under the trainwheels of normal life than under anything else. [18:51]
mircea_popescu lmao [18:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11056 @ 0.0004035 = 4.4611 BTC [+] [18:52]
asciilifeform the story of the 'lottery ticket lost in the wash' is cross cultural to schmucks of every country [18:55]
asciilifeform iirc there is some lawsuit in usa every day re: one thing or another to do with lottery tickets allegedly misappropriated, stolen, 'borrowed', etc [18:56]
mircea_popescu aha [18:56]
asciilifeform i was never able to understand why these folks thought they were only playing in one lottery [18:57]
asciilifeform as opposed to several, including the do-i-cash-this-ticket-in-time one [18:57]
asciilifeform the do-i-get-hit-by-asteroid lottery, etc [18:57]
asciilifeform some of these are even spiffier than the idiot numbers game because i don't have to pay for the ticket!11 [18:58]
mircea_popescu lol [18:58]
asciilifeform can get my asteroid - for phree. [18:58]
asciilifeform i remember a course i had to do at uni, where we were shown various results re: the misconceptions about mechanics common among small children. [18:59]
asciilifeform in particular, how they will decide that what they cannot see, for whatever reason, isn't there [19:00]
asciilifeform as in, pull down a curtain and literally 'it vanished' [19:00]
asciilifeform taken with the usual grain of strychnine with which one eats american academe, this is applicable [19:01]
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asciilifeform phun phakt: http://www.decadecounter.com/vta/articleview.php?item=529 << monsanto made... led. [19:03]
assbot The Vintage Technology Association - Monsanto MV2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSaYVa ) [19:03]
asciilifeform among the first! [19:04]
asciilifeform http://www.datamath.org/Display/Monsanto.htm [19:04]
assbot DATAMATH ... ( http://bit.ly/1QSb1jS ) [19:04]
asciilifeform when do ~we~ make led ? [19:04]
mircea_popescu srsly. [19:05]
asciilifeform forget cpu. try led. [19:05]
asciilifeform 'This effort didn't go very far at first, because Monsanto's marketing department reported that the only color customers wanted was red. Customers used red displays for calculators, so their only concern was getting cheaper LEDs. Marketing never considered other LED applications. Its conclusion that red was the only color wanted may have stemmed from asking the wrong question or asking the wrong people.' [19:05]
asciilifeform lulzy. [19:06]
scoopbot_revived Bryan Micon Seals The Deal http://qntra.net/2015/06/bryan-micon-seals-the-deal/ [19:08]
asciilifeform 3 btc?! [19:10]
asciilifeform lol [19:10]
kakobrekla dont forget the 900bux [19:10]
asciilifeform and the arse hymen. [19:11]
trinque what is this forfeitting his computers nonsense? [19:12]
trinque mild inconvenience at best [19:13]
trinque heh probably to search 'em for btc privkeys [19:13]
kakobrekla im surprised no jail time [19:13]
mircea_popescu eh he's prolly gonna show up having an ugrent business proposal to discuss in short order. [19:14]
mircea_popescu the us dept of derp is short on money and understaffed, so it figures hey, what's this shikrashka thing alf keeps mentioning ? [19:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17426 @ 0.0004035 = 7.0314 BTC [+] [19:17]
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williamdunne kakobrekla: And the $25,000 [19:28]
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mircea_popescu and in other news, all's there but the vending machine. http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0qh7fKyZW1qgvnq9o1_1280.jpg [19:58]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GAR325 ) [19:58]
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decimation "lone wolf terrorists" are just another lame excuse for "keep funding us or else" [20:01]
mircea_popescu "lone wolf terrorists" have a pretty decent claim to getting an ex-usg civil servant as chattel slave once the thing's done. [20:06]
mircea_popescu how did the theory go, "bureaucrats are genetically inferior and morally stunted, and so the best thing for their sake is having them live out their lives as slaves for actual humans" [20:07]
williamdunne How many slaves are reserved for #b-a? [20:10]
* mircea_popescu would not actually want to be saddled with one of those idiots. [20:11]
cazalla mircea_popescu, is this just a beat up by norton or is ramnicu valcea really some leet town? [20:12]
cazalla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_teg-0Kz_8Q [20:12]
assbot In Search of The Most Dangerous Town on the Internet [Official Trailer] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hit7qD ) [20:12]
mircea_popescu cazalla nonsense. there was a high concentration of kids fucking up windows boxen in that town, a decade ago. [20:13]
mircea_popescu it was never truly mention-worthy, but some english speaking journo in search of something to write about it wrote that, and well, ever since it's been some sort of english language accepted truth. [20:14]
BingoBoingo Ah, I thought you were going to say they all made fortunes and move to St. Kitts [20:14]
trinque hack nasa?! [20:15]
mircea_popescu otherwise, it's a rural townlet on par with say dublin, ohio. [20:15]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you recall the story of one guccifer, uneployed cab driver fucking around in internet cafes ? [20:15]
mircea_popescu that, 99%. [20:15]
cazalla anyway, full doco if anyone is interested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un_XI4MM6QI (watching but i expect this to be similar to real estate seminar where norton will hit me up to buy some anti-virus shit at the end of the film) [20:15]
assbot In Search of The Most Dangerous Town On the Internet [Official Documentary] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GARKs5 ) [20:15]
mircea_popescu this sort of crap is unavoidable when doing "reporting". paris was never as fashionable as usians thought. [20:17]
mircea_popescu anyway, doing violence to the poorly secured chumpnet is a rite of passage for most of the not-dumb youth of the third world, you must appreciate. in luxor, a tiny town on the valley of the nile, the intellectual elite of boyhood gathered around two beat up dexktops and an acoustic modem trying the same thing. [20:19]
mircea_popescu romania's not been much of this for at least 10 years by noiw. [20:19]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1176915 << yes!! [20:23]
assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 22:54:33; mircea_popescu: and in other news, all's there but the vending machine. http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0qh7fKyZW1qgvnq9o1_1280.jpg [20:23]
asciilifeform l0l! [20:23]
* asciilifeform absorbed first gibblets of .ro during a tour of duty as professional sp4mz0r hunter [20:25]
asciilifeform perhaps 'hunt' is wrong term [20:26]
asciilifeform we never removed them from the wild. [20:26]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1176909 << шаражка only makes sense if you have a korolev to put in it. [20:28]
assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 22:11:13; mircea_popescu: the us dept of derp is short on money and understaffed, so it figures hey, what's this shikrashka thing alf keeps mentioning ? [20:29]
asciilifeform invented, incidentally, nowhere near ru [20:29]
asciilifeform but in venice. late 13th c. [20:29]
asciilifeform when they sat all the glassblowers down in an island [20:29]
asciilifeform blow as much glass as you like. leave? nope. [20:30]
cazalla mmm yup, the doco is pretty much an advertisement for norton "As a leader in storytelling for Symantec's global brands, my main goal is to produce proactive, intelligent content that speaks to and engages an audience, and showcases the value of the company's exceptional brilliance in cyber security innovation." Solange Deschatres [20:36]
asciilifeform run moar winblowz. [20:37]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1176919 << you'd want those in your house ?! [20:40]
assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 23:02:23; mircea_popescu: "lone wolf terrorists" have a pretty decent claim to getting an ex-usg civil servant as chattel slave once the thing's done. [20:40]
asciilifeform though they'd work quite well in the car. as seat covers. [20:41]
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BingoBoingo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSUW-Z_Cnc0 [20:54]
assbot Bearforce1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvhXcu ) [20:54]
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BingoBoingo !up SuchWow [20:54]
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SuchWow danke [20:55]
asciilifeform https://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=7241 << lulzy bug [21:17]
assbot Issue 7241 - [21:17]
BingoBoingo Oh great the Storm/AirRaid sirens are firing [21:17]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: duck&cover! (tm) (r) [21:18]
BingoBoingo And I'm going to be disappoint again that it is just a storm and not a Raid [21:18]
asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKqXu-5jw60 << obligatory [21:19]
assbot Duck And Cover (1951) Bert The Turtle Civil Defense Film - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvnbF1 ) [21:19]
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* BingoBoingo going to smoke outside and watch this bitch roll in [21:23]
decimation asciilifeform: " It's certainly possible that some APT has developed the capability to generate keys with colliding 8-byte key IDs on demand. [21:24]
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asciilifeform decimation: the old 32-bit id (bottom of modulus) you can generate as many as you like right now.. [21:25]
decimation yeah 32-bits isn't much [21:25]
asciilifeform considering that it wasn't even a hash [21:25]
decimation heh yeah good point [21:26]
decimation only those named 'bob' may pass. what is your name? 'bob' [21:26]
BingoBoingo False alarm, it's just Odin [21:28]
decimation BingoBoingo: looks like a big storm rolling down the mississippi [21:29]
BingoBoingo decimation: Indeed, first raindrops fell. Not much yet other than a constant rumbling of distant thunder and occasional flashes of closer lighning. [21:30]
BingoBoingo Interesting textures on the cloud bottoms though. [21:30]
BingoBoingo Just a touch of mammary look [21:30]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.00039588 = 19.6356 BTC [-] {3} [21:34]
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decimation mammatus clouds are associated with strong storms [21:39]
BingoBoingo Eh, strong storms still a disappointment compared to any air raid at all [21:42]
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decimation asciilifeform: http://allanmcrae.com/2015/06/the-case-of-gcc-5-1-and-the-two-c-abis/ < c++/gcc dumbfuckery [21:42]
assbot The Case of GCC-5.1 and the Two C++ ABIs | Allan McRae ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gvsd4o ) [21:42]
cazalla hey decimation, i made you a moot meets an aussie shitposter meme video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nesSXFIVGG0 [21:42]
assbot Moot meets an Australian - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvsbcT ) [21:42]
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decimation awesome [21:46]
decimation lol [21:47]
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decimation cazalla: is he drinking fosters? [21:48]
cazalla yeah looks to be [21:48]
decimation ;;ud strewth [21:48]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=strewth | strewth. An Australian, or "Aussie", exclaimation, similar to the somewhat more popular "Crikey!" Strewth, that was a hard day, toss me a Fosters mate! by Avatar  ... [21:48]
decimation heh I haven't heard that one before [21:51]
decimation cazalla: but is it true? do australians shit-post? [21:54]
decimation also I think the english are bigger drunkards generally [21:55]
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cazalla decimation, it's just a racist stereotype afaik [21:56]
decimation heh apparently it is a three way tie at 10 L per capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita [21:56]
assbot List of countries by alcohol consumption per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1fHDGaD ) [21:56]
cazalla i think we're #1 for drugs [21:56]
decimation POMs are drunkards [21:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00040783 = 7.9119 BTC [+] {2} [21:57]
decimation 10 L is crazy [21:58]
decimation I guess that's like 2 L of 4% beer per month [21:59]
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cazalla decimation, we drink so much they run stupid commercials https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiXvAo6o0HY [22:01]
assbot "Kids Absorb Your Drinking"- TV Commercial DrinkWise Australia - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvuSLF ) [22:01]
williamdunne Holy shit that is really 10L of pure alcohol.. [22:01]
williamdunne wut [22:01]
decimation yeah per year [22:02]
decimation but on average [22:02]
decimation that means alot of people drink nothing and some are drunks [22:02]
williamdunne Alcoholics pulling up the average [22:03]
williamdunne Oh, its like 500ml of beer a day on average [22:03]
williamdunne Guess its not that bad [22:03]
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cazalla but who has a beer? if ya drinking beer, ya into at least 3 longnecks or a slab mate [22:04]
decimation heh yeah [22:05]
williamdunne Aye, so like 7 longnecks once a week [22:05]
williamdunne or 3/4 twice [22:05]
williamdunne Seems pretty sane [22:06]
williamdunne Although obviously the outliers will be very un-sane [22:06]
williamdunne wow [22:06]
williamdunne insane [22:06]
punkman https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6293 [22:07]
assbot incompatible peers not detected/disconnected · Issue #6293 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1fHFsbF ) [22:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84600 @ 0.0004077 = 34.4914 BTC [-] {2} [22:08]
asciilifeform wtf is 'UnattainiumV2:0.9.4.2' [22:09]
punkman so apparently shitcoins can connect to bitcoind just fine and shit blocks on it [22:09]
asciilifeform phoundationd [22:10]
asciilifeform ultimately, the matter will be settled using the algo described earlier today by mircea_popescu: [22:11]
asciilifeform there will be a place where men 'speak like men,' and another, very different place, where monkeys are free to throw own shit at one another all day long. [22:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57122 @ 0.0004112 = 23.4886 BTC [+] {3} [22:15]
punkman in the meantime, we have to dodge monkey projectiles [22:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57851 @ 0.00041829 = 24.1985 BTC [+] {4} [22:16]
asciilifeform it will be interesting to set the 'misbehaviour' triggers for the orphans crud to max once we have a respectably-complete network of therealbitcoin nodes. [22:16]
punkman https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Common_Vulnerabilities_and_Exposures probably worth going over this list [22:17]
assbot Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvwswR ) [22:17]
asciilifeform i think ben_vulpes had a summary [22:17]
asciilifeform http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321.html [22:17]
assbot A summary of changes to Bitcoin since 0.3.21 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvwtRy ) [22:17]
asciilifeform not certain if it covers the earlier link entirely [22:18]
punkman bunch of them solved by existing snips [22:19]
asciilifeform i can barely believe there are still folks using nodes with the alert crap in them [22:21]
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punkman http://www.miningpool.co.uk/erik-voorhees-on-ben-lawskys-bitcoin-firm-its-the-very-definition-of-crony-capitalism/ [22:40]
assbot Erik Voorhees Attacks Ben Lawsky’s Bitcoin Firm ... ( http://bit.ly/1KewZYS ) [22:40]
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punkman http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3b457y/vp_candidate_in_argentina_a_harvard_econ_phd/ [23:04]
assbot VP candidate in Argentina (a Harvard econ PhD) appears to promise cryptocurrency as Argentina's money if elected : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KeAluK ) [23:04]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36925 @ 0.00041596 = 15.3593 BTC [-] [23:15]
BingoBoingo Oh, look at the pussy storm. All it did was knock out mains power. Didn't even put a branch through the roof like a real storm. [23:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30350 @ 0.00040332 = 12.2408 BTC [-] [23:17]
decimation asciilifeform: the 'alert' thing is hilarious [23:18]
decimation do we know when gavin's key was added? [23:19]
williamdunne !s 8ch [23:20]
assbot 6 results for '8ch' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=8ch [23:20]
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