Forum logs for 24 Oct 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu If you gave Aristotle ten thousand unplugged computers of different makes and models, no matter how systematically he analyzed them he'd not only be wrong, he'd be misleadingly wrong. He would find that they were related by shape-- rectangles/squares; by color-- black, white, or tan. Size/weight; material. [00:01]
mircea_popescu Aristotle was smart, but there is nothing he could ever learn about computers from his investigations. His science is all wrong for what he was doing. But Aristotle would think he knew a terrible amount about computers from his studies. In fact, he'd probably be considered an expert. "To fix this computer, we need to make it more rectangular. Get chopping, malaka." [00:01]
mircea_popescu wbahgahahja omfg. [00:01]
mircea_popescu for the record, i do this regularly. [00:01]
mircea_popescu so does any half-ass decent teacher. give a kid a pile of unplugged computers, pick the best one. [00:01]
mircea_popescu then beat them for picking a fucking pentium. [00:02]
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mircea_popescu mock them, hurtfully. "what, you think it's 1999 ?" [00:02]
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adlai deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/19HFTMB.txt [06:54]
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punkman https://blog.fuzzing-project.org/25-Heap-overflow-and-endless-loop-in-exfatfsck-exfat-utils.html [07:49]
assbot Heap overflow and endless loop in exfatfsck / exfat-utils | The Fuzzing Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1k0mRcH ) [07:49]
punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=628eVJgHD6I [07:58]
assbot Wittgenstein: This is a very pleasant pineapple - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1k0nDXi ) [07:58]
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punkman http://people.umass.edu/phil335-klement-2/tlp/tlp.html the other tlp [08:02]
assbot Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus ... ( http://bit.ly/204pj2U ) [08:02]
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mircea_popescu punkman i always wondered if he actually deliberately chose his nick that way [10:17]
mircea_popescu and for the daily lol, http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2015/10/new-material-promises-nsa-proof-wallpaper/123066/ [10:19]
assbot A New Material Promises NSA-Proof Wallpaper - Defense One ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mh0OLO ) [10:19]
mircea_popescu by now the stupid "reporting" thing is so much a kabuki of its own you can often separate it from the actual event it parasitizes [10:19]
mircea_popescu sort of like once shit dries enough, you can just pick it out of the hair of the African in question, leaving behind "clean" hair. [10:19]
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mircea_popescu in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/0a4a7cef8f528ddbaf0c3255c16d89d1/tumblr_no67etsB3p1rzzxego1_500.jpg [10:38]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1H106uF ) [10:38]
mircea_popescu and from the word! department : [11:01]
mircea_popescu "The question that they are answering isn't "does environment matter more than genetics?" It's a more subtle, sneaky, social-policy questionr: "since we now know that genetics isn't as deterministic as we hoped, is there something else that we can focus on which is equally out of our control? What about the goings-on in utero? So that the environment factors matter only at that time, not later? Then we can safely [11:01]
mircea_popescu say that behavior is "innate" and out of our control, while still leaving us the door to intervene in people's lives for their benefit." [11:01]
mircea_popescu No one in the behavioral sciences discovers something, and then constructs policy recommendations. "We learned that people are like this, so..." It's the other way around. The policies come first; the money is spent on the research that supports them. In questions about evolutionary psychology and behavior, the question they want to answer is always of the form, "how is it not the individual's fault, but we can medd [11:01]
mircea_popescu le anyway?"" [11:01]
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mircea_popescu http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/06/are_certain_behaviors--_and_jo.html << excellent article altogether, should be mandatory hs reading. [11:13]
assbot The Last Psychiatrist: Are Certain Behaviors-- And Jobs-- More Masculine? And Out Of Our Control? ... ( http://bit.ly/1H13MfJ ) [11:13]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2015#1306838 <<<>>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-12-2014#951694 [11:48]
assbot Logged on 24-10-2015 13:17:38; mircea_popescu: and for the daily lol, http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2015/10/new-material-promises-nsa-proof-wallpaper/123066/ [11:48]
assbot Logged on 12-12-2014 00:01:28; asciilifeform: emp arms powered by chemical explosives are 'sexy', suck in grant money like nothing else, even deployed (!) by usa in gulf war 1 - taking a tv broadcast antenna out of action for a few hours (they had to change an amp) [11:48]
mircea_popescu heh. [11:49]
mircea_popescu that said, grounded wallpaper would go a long way. [11:49]
asciilifeform but doesn't have to be made of unobtainium-shitanium alloy. [11:50]
mircea_popescu (ftr, grounded windows are cheap and easy to make, just put mesh in between the two layers of plastic) [11:50]
mircea_popescu https://in.news.yahoo.com/unexpected-discovery-comet-contains-alcohol-182309427.html << FINALLY! [11:51]
assbot In unexpected discovery, comet contains alcohol, sugar - Yahoo News India ... ( http://bit.ly/1i3uNbS ) [11:51]
mircea_popescu poate-i vodca! poate-i vin! poate-i pipi de rechin! [11:51]
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punkman mircea_popescu: or maybe that's how he chose the quote [12:36]
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mircea_popescu or that yah [12:42]
punkman http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2015-October/026841.html [12:52]
assbot [Cryptography] Other obvious issues being ignored? ... ( http://bit.ly/1S2F6dt ) [12:52]
asciilifeform punkman: it is in the logz [12:53]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298738 [12:55]
assbot Logged on 14-10-2015 16:32:27; asciilifeform: 'I don't care if your language lawyers tell you gcc is right. THIS WILL CAUSE PEOPLE TO GET HACKED.' << this is not hundred percent idiotic. the c programming language is specified in such a way, with sufficiently pervasive 'undefined behaviours' and nonstandardized but inescapable routines, that it is ~physically impossible~ to program in it as-specified [12:55]
punkman asciilifeform: I found this interesting "the STACK UB analyser found that UB code occurs in 40% of all Debian Wheezy packages (that use C)." [12:57]
asciilifeform but the basic lesson, which is for some reason hidden behind a thick veil of shitsmoke, is that c is not built to be reasoned about mechanically, ergo relying on the compiler to save you from yourself is retarded. [12:58]
deedbot- [Trilema] A lingering suspicion. - http://trilema.com/2015/a-lingering-suspicion/ [12:58]
asciilifeform and the notion that it is somehow possible to program in 'strictly defined' c is a deliberate lie [12:59]
asciilifeform it is not possible. [12:59]
asciilifeform not for any proggy written outside of a primary school. [12:59]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2015#1306871 << re: cars in usa: yes, ~everyone~ is expected to drive. something, anything with wheels. even cripples - in most places here you just need one arm and one leg. there are special shops that customize the cars for this, i used to work next to one. [13:13]
assbot Logged on 24-10-2015 15:57:23; deedbot-: [Trilema] A lingering suspicion. - http://trilema.com/2015/a-lingering-suspicion/ [13:13]
asciilifeform even bums will often 'drive' a motorized wheelchair thing (provided by usg, through some byzantine and ancient pension thing) [13:13]
asciilifeform this sometimes leads to interesting contradictions. everywhere in usa there are strict laws against drunken driving, but if you go into a suburb you will notice pub after pub, each of them accessible ~strictly~ by car [13:15]
asciilifeform (with very few exceptions, no 'respectable' person in a u.s. suburb ever sets foot inside of a bus) [13:17]
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punkman http://www.cbsnews.com/news/students-new-ride-after-dwi-arrest-a-barbie-jeep/ [13:30]
assbot Student's new ride after DWI arrest? A "Barbie Jeep" - CBS News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsRjq0 ) [13:30]
punkman oh that's in the logs [13:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha. [13:58]
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mircea_popescu so apparently there's a hurricane headed for mexico that's well twice the size of katrina [14:20]
mod6 I've been to that place many times: Puerto Vallarta. [14:21]
mircea_popescu aha [14:22]
mod6 nice town. probably will take a long time to rebuild. they had a hurricane that hit back in like 2002 or 2003 that hit them pretty hard, probably not nearly as bad as this though [14:22]
mircea_popescu yeah looks monstrous. [14:23]
mod6 yeah, gigantic cloud mass. [14:23]
mircea_popescu in random internet lulz, http://somethingsensitive.com/index.php?topic=581.0 [14:26]
assbot Goons Tell us Why Reddit is Bad, Describe SomethingAwful.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1i3Vtt1 ) [14:26]
asciilifeform l0l launchpad mcquack [14:27]
asciilifeform in-joke. character was based, by some accounts, on john mccain [14:27]
asciilifeform (crashed every machine he climbed into) [14:27]
mircea_popescu but those accounts only popped up once mccain was in the news, whereas the cartoon looks like silver age/HB [14:28]
asciilifeform aha. but m's flying career was long over by the time launchpad appeared. [14:29]
asciilifeform at any rate, legend. [14:29]
mircea_popescu the fact that republicans have a knack for this is kinda strange. recall the bush record ? BOTH of them ? [14:30]
asciilifeform aha [14:30]
mircea_popescu anyway, if you ever saw hot shots, the base commander there is also a sort of mccain/mcduck [14:30]
asciilifeform simple explanation [14:31]
asciilifeform flying was (is?) considered a 'blueblood' thing [14:31]
asciilifeform the only peculiar thing about being an admiral's son and another admiral's grandson is that you get to crash machine after machine [14:31]
asciilifeform instead of 'flying the mahogany bomber' after the first one. [14:32]
mircea_popescu i don't even see much of a problem with tha.t [14:33]
asciilifeform no? [14:34]
asciilifeform how about the idiot brit officers with their purchased commissions, leading 'charges of the light brigade' one after another ? [14:34]
asciilifeform eventually summed to zero [14:34]
mircea_popescu how about the "i know you've won the war mr wellington, but what have you done for us lately???" [14:35]
mircea_popescu also eventually sums to zero. [14:35]
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mircea_popescu in any case the reference is particularly weak - the officers in question ACTUALLY LED THE CHARGE. ie, were there. [14:36]
mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/17bOit3.gif << notbad. [14:37]
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mircea_popescu apparently "biotruther" is a word, now. what libertards call people who know biology that's not been approved by the global warming committee [14:43]
asciilifeform see also 'hatefact' [14:43]
mircea_popescu is that irl or just meta ? [14:45]
asciilifeform ;;google hatefact [14:45]
gribble 10 Hatefacts for Those Who Hate Facts - Taki's Magazine: ; Alternative Right: FIVE HISTORICAL HATEFACTS: ; Stuff Black People Don't Like - SBPDL: #62. "Hate Facts": (1 more message) [14:45]
mircea_popescu ie, do the idiots use it themselves or is it just a fuck me [14:45]
shinohai Good afternoon, #bitcoin-assets. Anyone here care to make a recommendation for a replacement of my lappy that just died? [14:45]
asciilifeform shinohai: plenty of unrecommendations [14:46]
shinohai so I don't fuck up and buy a bad machine again [14:46]
asciilifeform shinohai: THERE IS NO TOLERABLE LAPTOP [14:46]
* asciilifeform spent many, many k-usd establishing this [14:46]
mircea_popescu ibm thinkpad. [14:47]
mircea_popescu 2004 edition. [14:47]
shinohai Me too. I bought two of these shiity Dell i3's last year. One died within 6 months, other died yesterday. [14:47]
* asciilifeform had this very box [14:47]
asciilifeform but i assumed that 1024x768 and a pen-800 is not shinohai's idea of usable. [14:48]
asciilifeform the other thing is that batteries are not to be had for vintage lappy [14:48]
mircea_popescu you kidding ? i bought dozens. [14:49]
shinohai Buy old batteries, zap with welder. win. [14:49]
asciilifeform and they hold a charge ? [14:49]
asciilifeform these things sucked donkey balls when they were new.. [14:49]
asciilifeform (1-2 hrs.) [14:49]
mircea_popescu ~4. [14:50]
asciilifeform 4 in first month of life, and if screen is at 10%, and cpu is idle... [14:50]
shinohai So if anyone needs good touchscreens, I got 'em lol. [14:50]
mircea_popescu so buy 50 [14:51]
mircea_popescu and throw them in the regular garbage, too. teach the plebs a lesson. [14:51]
asciilifeform li ion cells age on the shelf [14:51]
mircea_popescu the chinese keep making them. seriously, the batteries i bought were so much younger than the laptop it'd have been pedophillia. [14:52]
mircea_popescu luckily the battery goes into the laptop rather than the other way around os all good. [14:52]
asciilifeform anyway requirements of 'laptop for mircea_popescu's missile launch codes' and for civilian use are not quite same. [14:53]
shinohai I rather expected something to go wrong. The day I get my sdr in the mail, lappy takes a shit. [14:53]
asciilifeform a year or so ago i chronicled (see logz!) my attempts to get a toshiba 'libretto 100ct' vintage ultraportable going with something like a reasonable unix [14:55]
asciilifeform i had one when i was in school, and it worked great. but today - nope. because go and try to install freebsd 4.7 - where do you get the packages? gonna patch by hand ? [14:55]
asciilifeform spend whole life ? [14:55]
asciilifeform ended up with barely usable openbsd. 500mSec or so delay on fopen() !!! because no ram left over (from the 64M) for disk caching [14:56]
asciilifeform because apparently there IS NO SUCH THING as unbloated unix to be had ANYWHERE today [14:56]
shinohai So finish your OS asciilifeform and save us from this package maintenance hell. [14:57]
asciilifeform shinohai: i don't do x86 os. [14:57]
shinohai :( [14:57]
asciilifeform shinohai: do you know the story of the spittoon ? [14:58]
asciilifeform shinohai: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=rG1TxJt2 [14:58]
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* shinohai reads [14:59]
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shinohai well I daresay *that* was an interesting tale asciilifeform [15:15]
asciilifeform shinohai: understand how it applies ? [15:15]
shinohai I may need to mull it over moar ... [15:16]
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shinohai If I can avoid drinking the whole damned spitoon, I would try to avoid it. [15:20]
asciilifeform shinohai: thing is, anything to do with 'i want a WORKING OS with WORKING PROGRAMS' is the entire spittoon. [15:20]
asciilifeform it is relatively simple if you are mircea_popescu and the only thing that needs to run is lynx and gpg 1.4 [15:21]
* shinohai was just busting asciilifeform's balls [15:21]
mircea_popescu acrtually this laptop runs firefox, vlc etc [15:50]
asciilifeform but does it ~build~ them [15:51]
asciilifeform BUILD [15:51]
mircea_popescu sure. [15:51]
mircea_popescu dynamic, but sure. [15:51]
mircea_popescu not that it has to, but for curiosity. [15:52]
mircea_popescu takes a day. [15:52]
asciilifeform i was actually not speaking of laptops, but explaining to shinohai that 'make a usable system from scratch with no modern code' is a spittoon [15:53]
mircea_popescu not like it's useful anyway, the difference between "run this binary" and "build" is absent in thos context [15:53]
asciilifeform as for firefox, it is barely usable (much less buildable) on my desktop iron [15:54]
asciilifeform so i can't fathom what kind of masochist would run it on an old pen [15:54]
mircea_popescu but it's firefox 16 or some shit. 11 ? i dont even recall. [15:54]
asciilifeform (thing leaks perhaps a gb/hr) [15:54]
asciilifeform ahahahahaha then it's the one that lets arbitrary www load arbitrary files from your disk. [15:54]
asciilifeform (every firefox until a few wks ago, known.) [15:55]
mircea_popescu possibly. [15:55]
mircea_popescu it's not a secure machine or anything, watch movies in bed off its 10gb hdd [15:55]
asciilifeform aha [15:56]
asciilifeform so this sheds no light on the building of general-purpose box. [15:56]
mircea_popescu yes it does. a general purpose box is the next best thing [15:57]
mircea_popescu after a general-gendered wife. [15:57]
asciilifeform ('general purpose' to be understood as a box on which one might, e.g., write code.) [15:57]
mircea_popescu i dun think i ever wrote a trilema article on it. [15:58]
* mircea_popescu is very peculiar about kbds. laptop kbd no good. [15:58]
asciilifeform and that atrocity in the desk photo is ?! [15:58]
mircea_popescu strangely, yes, that one's fine. [15:58]
asciilifeform did it even... have keys? [15:59]
mircea_popescu nope. [15:59]
asciilifeform looked mighty flat [15:59]
mircea_popescu but i disover the problem with me actually is SIZE. as in, gotta be this long. [15:59]
asciilifeform aha or where to put hands. [15:59]
mircea_popescu ya that too. "oh you could put the laptop on a table" well fuck you then, i could jkuist use a kbd ? [16:00]
asciilifeform a good deal of modern hardware looks as if it were designed for inhabitants of some other planet [16:00]
asciilifeform perhaps where they have tentacles. [16:00]
mircea_popescu Planet Kindergarten [16:00]
mircea_popescu in unrelated news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/bc7db6cc510a0b6b1a6010fc419cb236/tumblr_nkhjav369P1taid38o1_400.gif [16:03]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MZIqG2 ) [16:03]
asciilifeform idk how mircea_popescu does it. typing on a kbd with no springs is like fucking a surface with no hole [16:05]
asciilifeform yes, it is possible... but borders on redefinition [16:05]
mircea_popescu i was corrupted by easy credit. [16:06]
asciilifeform l0lwat [16:06]
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mircea_popescu i dunno, just, somehow, they dun bother me. [16:07]
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* asciilifeform notices that 90+% of traditional gentoo mirrors in his records are dead [16:16]
mircea_popescu obsolete technologye. [16:16]
asciilifeform 99% of a typical build time on my box is just churning through dead mirrors. [16:17]
mircea_popescu use deedbot ? [16:17]
asciilifeform complicated. most aren't 100% dead [16:17]
asciilifeform just missing essentials, selectively. [16:17]
asciilifeform and not one is 100% healthy. [16:17]
asciilifeform nor even 50. [16:18]
mircea_popescu quite why. [16:18]
mircea_popescu take the time sometime and make the mirror. [16:18]
asciilifeform and get the tarballs where ? [16:18]
asciilifeform time machine ? [16:18]
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asciilifeform i suppose one possible place would be my own disk... [16:19]
* asciilifeform puts this on list of what to do with the replacement for dulap, when such appears [16:20]
asciilifeform i cannot escape the observation that i am keeping alive a very sad and sickly thing [16:22]
asciilifeform but there is NO REPLACEMENT FOR IT [16:22]
asciilifeform and much of the disease is not specific to this one linux variant but to the entire ecosystem [16:23]
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asciilifeform gentoo simply appears to be the worst-looking horse in the glue factory on account of not having a protective coating of bullshit [16:23]
asciilifeform (namely, in other distros you are not trying to ~build~ the world, and are not thus exposed to the fact that most of it is not deterministically buildable any more without generous helpings of blood magic) [16:24]
mircea_popescu http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/06/another_diagnosis_of_schizophr.html >> quite worth a read. [16:26]
assbot The Last Psychiatrist: Another Diagnosis Of Schizophrenia, This Time With Cats ... ( http://bit.ly/1MZJvO5 ) [16:26]
mircea_popescu "so toxoplasmosis is basically a conspiracy against rat's best interests ?" "no. it's basically a selected accident. all the other accidents that didn't close the cycle didn't live to get a name."? [16:27]
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jurov tangentially related, i have done the mistake of emerging pypy and enabling it systemwide [16:38]
jurov since there is no gento pypy maintainer, it's running into dep problems [16:38]
jurov more and more [16:40]
jurov but have not noticed any mirror problems [16:41]
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mircea_popescu in other news, intel finally teased out tlp's email. if anyone cares, he's 52. etc. [16:41]
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mats morning qts [17:11]
ben_vulpes wb mats [17:12]
mats thx m8 [17:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20061 @ 0.00053834 = 10.7996 BTC [+] {3} [17:16]
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mircea_popescu what's a qt ? [17:23]
mats cutie. [17:23]
mircea_popescu o hey. [17:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44282 @ 0.00054173 = 23.9889 BTC [+] {4} [17:26]
mircea_popescu in other news, finding http://33.media.tumblr.com/41f654aec95486dfcf3d548c496de998/tumblr_nqjcrdlQRa1r2svjro1_500.gif erotic [17:29]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJRtwt ) [17:29]
mircea_popescu correlates with a high probability of being a dangerous pedophile. [17:29]
thestringpuller that looks extremely difficult,. [17:30]
mircea_popescu not if she's 9. [17:31]
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thestringpuller that girl doesn't look 9 [17:31]
thestringpuller (looks are deceptive etc) [17:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00054224 = 13.7729 BTC [+] {4} [17:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/07/why_a_story_about_russian_spie_1.html << i lollered. [17:42]
assbot The Last Psychiatrist: Why A Story About Russian Spies Who Use Facebook? ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJSLaX ) [17:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34097 @ 0.00054257 = 18.5 BTC [+] {2} [17:49]
adlai trinque: deedbot.org is not showing the latest deed [18:12]
adlai (which had to be submitted twice) [18:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76100 @ 0.0005393 = 41.0407 BTC [-] {2} [18:16]
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trinque adlai: might have to do with whenever the last block happened [18:22]
trinque but I'll look at it [18:23]
trinque adlai: I only see you subitting something once [18:25]
trinque *submitting [18:25]
adlai !s http://dpaste.com/19HFTMB.txt [18:25]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1jXWc0a ) [18:25]
assbot 2 results for 'http://dpaste.com/19HFTMB.txt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fdpaste.com%2F19HFTMB.txt [18:25]
trinque right, when you say "had to be submitted twice" I expected that it didn't accept one of them [18:27]
adlai first time, it didn't deed at all; second time got notarized in block 380163, but doesn't show up on deedbot.org [18:29]
trinque btcd is barfing on the transaction for some reason [18:32]
trinque adlai: I'll figure it out, ping ya when I do [18:32]
adlai np [18:32]
adlai deedbot put the hash in the blockchain, assbot put the content in the cloud, what more does a man need? [18:33]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7717 @ 0.0005393 = 4.1618 BTC [-] {2} [18:46]
mats silk boxers [18:47]
trinque adlai: he got ahead of himself and double-spent an output, then lost track of which output to use. I've fixed the db, and expect that he's back on track. [18:56]
trinque today I'm actually working on his replacement, which when complete I will provide sources. I'm starting from the bottom (stay online, keep your nick, no seriously) so do not know when it will be complete. [18:58]
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adlai why not cannibalize existing works? [18:59]
trinque because that's what led to this. [18:59]
trinque I'm not doing it with duct tape this time [18:59]
adlai well you must be using some 'bedrock' [19:00]
trinque heh, if you have a proposal, make it! [19:01]
trinque every bot I've used, someone highly recommended it, and then I end up having to hit the thing with a wrench to do what I'd expect should come with the definition of "IRC bot" [19:01]
adlai cl-irc is good, it doesn't support sasl but you don't necessarily need that [19:03]
trinque by good, do you mean it will detect when freenode thinks it has not connected, but it has in fact reconnected? [19:03]
trinque and it will subsequently grab its nick back? [19:04]
adlai no, but you'll have an easier time building that with the condition system than if you're using $blub [19:04]
trinque yep, I am going to use CL [19:05]
trinque I've only been farting around yet, so I'll see if I like cl-irc [19:06]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61300 @ 0.00054339 = 33.3098 BTC [+] {4} [19:51]
danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2015#1306989 << i figured it was his eulora machine seeing as how the photo included a list of base prices for items commonly traded [20:02]
assbot Logged on 24-10-2015 18:57:10; asciilifeform: and that atrocity in the desk photo is ?! [20:02]
kakobrekla https://gcaptain.com/there-is-a-huge-backlog-of-ships-waiting-to-pass-through-the-panama-canal/ < increase the blocksize nao!! [20:07]
assbot There Is a Huge Backlog of Ships Waiting to Pass Through the Panama Canal - gCaptain ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuwjQu ) [20:07]
ben_vulpes http://www.spacebuckets.com/materials << rails. takes 2.9 seconds to serve...a hobby site. [20:13]
assbot START YOUR JOURNEY | Space Buckets ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuwDPj ) [20:14]
ben_vulpes remind me to rhapsodize about 'turbo links' some day. [20:14]
asciilifeform wawat [20:14]
ben_vulpes eh, pipe to haus is slow. still, nearly a whole second from my aws instance. [20:15]
shinohai https://loanbase.com/ <<< 3 points xD [20:23]
assbot Loanbase: Bitcoin Lending Done Right ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rux641 ) [20:23]
mircea_popescu ahaha wut. [20:23]
mircea_popescu nothing says "done right" more than spurious name parasitism. really. [20:23]
mircea_popescu Mike - eyewear done right! [20:24]
mircea_popescu Bouboutin, hats done right! [20:24]
mircea_popescu Wenessy, breaks and shocks, done right! [20:25]
mircea_popescu come to tyhink abo0ut it, one could open a whole fast food chain / pizzeria call it DeLay [20:26]
mircea_popescu "It's not our fault - it's in the name!" [20:26]
asciilifeform crunchy frog (tm) (r) [20:27]
mircea_popescu Sandy Beaches Brothels. [20:27]
shinohai lol @ crunchy frog [20:27]
shinohai Am I an asshole if I go there and get a loan then default ? [20:29]
mircea_popescu i would expect that is the default. [20:29]
mircea_popescu Bankrupt ? It's not your fault, it's default! [20:29]
adlai http://support.loanbase.com/hc/en-us/articles/202063482 [20:29]
assbot When the loan purpose is building reputation, is it possible to withdraw the funds? – LoanBase Help Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ruxrn6 ) [20:29]
mircea_popescu im not gonna click [20:30]
adlai tl;dr "no" [20:30]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/d4ace669ad744c1724c91318264797d0/tumblr_nt8hwwVTzu1tra78fo1_400.gif [20:31]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ruxy26 ) [20:31]
asciilifeform wat [20:32]
* asciilifeform didn't know mircea_popescu went in for... this [20:32]
mircea_popescu in what ? [20:32]
asciilifeform whatever this is called. [20:33]
mircea_popescu loanbase ? trannyfucking ? [20:34]
asciilifeform the latter. [20:34]
shinohai There used to be a tranny pr0n site that accepted btc for subscriptions. [20:35]
shinohai I blew 0.1 buying subs for people I hate. [20:35]
mircea_popescu did it do anything ? [20:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform can't say i do, but what, it should be banished now ? [20:37]
asciilifeform l0l [20:38]
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mircea_popescu "I've rarely met an ADHD kid who sleeps enough, and I've never met an ADHD adult or adolescent who does. When a kid is sleep deprived, he gets hyper; they are too tired to be inhibited, too tired to exert self-control." [20:38]
mircea_popescu this is actually a very interesting theory. [20:38]
shinohai To each his/her own. [20:38]
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trinque adlai: tried cl-irc, turned off my wifi until the test nick was disconnected on freenode's end, and connectedp still returns T on the cl-irc end [20:40]
asciilifeform http://imgur.com/hz7j9hf << an equally-appealing photo i took today. [20:40]
assbot Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuxXSb ) [20:40]
trinque this is the kind of shit that drives me crazy [20:40]
asciilifeform the underside of my sorry hovel. turns out, the water hookup is THROUGH A RUBBER HOSE [20:41]
asciilifeform (center, by the support column) [20:41]
asciilifeform http://imgur.com/oTRtC00 << left: the biggest spiders i've ever seen outside of a collection [20:41]
assbot Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuxZJI ) [20:41]
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asciilifeform the white cables: 220v. [20:44]
* mats doesn't see any spiders [20:46]
asciilifeform on the wall. [20:46]
mats nvm. [20:46]
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mircea_popescu !up Garmin [20:58]
-assbot- You voiced Garmin for 30 minutes. [20:58]
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mircea_popescu but where doesw the cock go ?! [20:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you fucking nut. [21:00]
mircea_popescu those are crickets. [21:00]
asciilifeform but they don't crick.. [21:00]
mircea_popescu so ? [21:00]
asciilifeform defective! [21:00]
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mircea_popescu "the greatest peacock i ever saw!" "that's a human from rockefeller center" "but i see no penis ?!?!" [21:01]
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mircea_popescu http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/images/nyt%20obama%20altered.jpg << bwahahaha [21:35]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/205hBFJ ) [21:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ^ check it out [21:35]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b3 [21:46]
mircea_popescu o.O [21:47]
mircea_popescu ;;market [21:47]
gribble Error: "market" is not a valid command. [21:47]
mircea_popescu da fuck was it [21:47]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [21:47]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 285.63, Best ask: 285.96, Bid-ask spread: 0.33000, Last trade: 285.56, 24 hour volume: 15452.3532551, 24 hour low: 279.7, 24 hour high: 286.22, 24 hour vwap: None [21:47]
mircea_popescu dumbass vc "losing interest" is the best thing that ever happened to bitcoin huh. [21:47]
shinohai Helping a friend in Brasil set up realbitcoin, trying to get him up to speed on gpg so he can come here. [21:49]
mircea_popescu cool [21:49]
mircea_popescu are you from brasil ? [21:49]
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shinohai I'm not, just a guy I have known since I started bitcoin a few years ago. [21:58]
mircea_popescu a ok [22:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40621 @ 0.00054427 = 22.1088 BTC [+] [22:13]
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gabriel_laddel !s Wouter Basson [22:40]
assbot 0 results for 'Wouter Basson' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Wouter+Basson [22:40]
gabriel_laddel !s Lothar Neethling [22:41]
assbot 0 results for 'Lothar Neethling' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Lothar+Neethling [22:41]
gabriel_laddel !s Lothar's potion [22:41]
assbot 0 results for 'Lothar's potion' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Lothar%27s+potion [22:41]
mircea_popescu "There is absolutely no way that anyone who reads The Economist can have concluded that Europe has surpassed America in anything not involving riots, in the way that no one who reads Maxim can conclude that acne is in vogue." [22:43]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: have you, or will you be emailing any of the gentoo mirror maintainers asking around for backups? [22:44]
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gabriel_laddel I was shocked to find out that they only keep the couple most recent versions of everything in the master repository. [22:44]
gabriel_laddel wtf is the *point* if I can't go back in time to something stable. [22:45]
mircea_popescu the point is appearing to do a job. [22:45]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: no. see thread. [22:46]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: i will be publishing my personal stash. [22:46]
mircea_popescu q : is there a way to actually publish this as a discrete item ? [22:48]
mircea_popescu or is it an utter and impredictable mess in the manner of everything else foss ? [22:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what would this mean ? [22:48]
asciilifeform it's a gigantic dir full of tar.gz [22:48]
mircea_popescu that by doing [this thing to do] i now have _everything_. [22:48]
asciilifeform it is not everything. merely everything asciilifeform's cockpit has. [22:49]
asciilifeform at least such that was 'emerge'-d [22:49]
mircea_popescu so "no using any videocards ascii never used" ? [22:49]
asciilifeform nope. [22:49]
asciilifeform however, this doesn't leave many [22:49]
asciilifeform pretty sure i even had a 'tseng' at some point. [22:50]
mircea_popescu so it technically is just another bad mirror ? [22:50]
asciilifeform and a (pci!) 'hercules.' [22:50]
asciilifeform 'there are many bad mirrors, this one is mine' [22:50]
mircea_popescu right. [22:50]
asciilifeform but it is guaranteed to add up to a civilized box. [22:50]
mircea_popescu i don't mean to impugn, btw. [22:50]
mircea_popescu just... this is a structural fucking problem. [22:50]
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asciilifeform that's sorta what i was trying to explain to shinohai. [22:50]
mircea_popescu yeah i guess, coming at same from diff path [22:51]
mircea_popescu "They are better educated than previous generations and they were raised by baby boomers who lavished a lot of attention on their children," said Andrew Kohut [the director of the Pew Research Center.] [22:53]
mircea_popescu WRONGALONGADINGDONG. They're not better educated, they just have more degrees. [22:53]
mircea_popescu heh. [22:53]
mircea_popescu one day i'll meet the usian who is better educated than people in the 50s. [22:53]
mircea_popescu and it'll be a russian/irani/whatever. [22:53]
asciilifeform pew?! what next, we quote völkischer beobachter ? [22:54]
asciilifeform 'the secret strange hole in his dubious pew' (tm) (r) (mircea_popescu's www) [22:54]
mircea_popescu i am quoting tlp who quoted him! [22:55]
asciilifeform ah! [22:55]
asciilifeform l0l [22:55]
mircea_popescu that makes it ok! [22:55]
mircea_popescu lol. [22:55]
mircea_popescu shit, i wrote that didn't i. pretty cool. [22:55]
gabriel_laddel Does any commercial Lisp IDE have a fast autocomplete that works like "apropos at point" ie, across all packages? [22:56]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: afaik there is precisely 1 commercial common lisp ide [22:56]
asciilifeform lispworks [22:56]
asciilifeform but afaik nobody uses it, most folks run emacs+slime even there. [22:57]
asciilifeform but iirc it does have apropos. [22:57]
asciilifeform if you must... grap the eval version from their www, see for yourself. [22:57]
mircea_popescu http://38.media.tumblr.com/1b298dbb6a9a973d3f32d678cba08957/tumblr_ns4sg8CQ7T1uc86zfo1_500.gif << how about sporty chicks ? [23:07]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PO8Mf1 ) [23:07]
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mats at least its not a tranny this time [23:17]
mircea_popescu tough crowd eh [23:21]
mircea_popescu fine, how about sluts in heels ? http://38.media.tumblr.com/277cea03b111a9664d3a3d2b7334ee24/tumblr_nspl9lFAKl1tvjjruo1_400.gif [23:22]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PO9N6F ) [23:22]
gabriel_laddel How about a working linux?! [23:22]
gabriel_laddel O wait [23:22]
asciilifeform ^ [23:22]
gabriel_laddel http://imgur.com/NK8gdQd [23:23]
assbot Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1PO9Say ) [23:23]
gabriel_laddel All that CLIM, all that desktop. [23:24]
mats i miss summer already [23:24]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: spiffy [23:25]
mats laying in bed, naked, listening to 'Channel Orange', that was nice [23:25]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: how laggy is it ? [23:25]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: the debugger works too! [23:25]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: not at all [23:25]
asciilifeform the other thing is that i always fucking hated athena [23:25]
gabriel_laddel If I get like 30 views in climacs, that slows [23:25]
asciilifeform can't stand it [23:25]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel sluts are way easier. [23:26]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: athena? [23:26]
mircea_popescu laying in bed, naked, listening to 'Channel Orange', that was nice << you know ba weather is nude indoors weather throughout the year. [23:26]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: the ancient mit project from which those gui elements (e.g. the scroll bar) came [23:26]
asciilifeform the 'default ghastly gui of x11' [23:27]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: ah. Well at some point I'll have someone fix it up all nice and minimalist. [23:27]
asciilifeform afaik with clim it's athena or nothing. [23:27]
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gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: nah, there is one other. [23:28]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: pixie or something like that [23:29]
gabriel_laddel (the pixie "look and feel" doesn't work with tabs though) [23:30]
asciilifeform so it's garbage. [23:30]
mats mircea_popescu: i'm envious. boston is under siege during the winter... i believe last year was the snowiest on record, ~110in [23:30]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: fixing only the tabs is easy [23:30]
mircea_popescu yeah, i lived there. [23:30]
gabriel_laddel how to geometry [23:30]
mircea_popescu brutal. practically sweden. [23:30]
mircea_popescu pronounced snowed-in [23:31]
mats hue. [23:33]
mircea_popescu http://36.media.tumblr.com/c80020b1c225b7fc5d20c5d95f8e0128/tumblr_mlzz0fq9bd1s9ngl0o1_1280.jpg << this is known in french as "l'embarras du choix", which means "the shame of the cauliflower". [23:33]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1POapcv ) [23:33]
mircea_popescu because the french are that weird. [23:33]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62767 @ 0.00053485 = 33.5709 BTC [-] {2} [23:41]
gabriel_laddel apropos of nothing: if anyone here is addicted to coffee, and finds that caffine pills don't cut it, I've found that brand EasyUp works WONDERS. [23:41]
mats i'm seeing a lot of results for tents with the 'easyup' search query [23:43]
mats and something known as a 'paramotor', which is kinda cool. [23:43]
gabriel_laddel ;; google easy up wake up aid - take tonight. wake up easier & alert tomorrow morning amazon [23:44]
gribble Easy Up - Wake Up Aid - Facebook: ; Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: ZzzQuil Nighttime Sleep-Aid ...: ; Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: The Sleepeasy Solution: The ...: [23:44]
gabriel_laddel useless google [23:44]
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mircea_popescu !up btc [23:45]
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mircea_popescu srsly, that nick's not taken ? [23:45]
gabriel_laddel http://www.amazon.com/Easy-Up%C2%AE-Wake-Up-Aid/dp/B0081UVHPI [23:45]
assbot Amazon.com: Easy Up® Wake Up Aid - Take Tonight. Wake Up Easier & Alert Tomorrow Morning - 36 Night Supply: Health & Personal Care ... ( http://bit.ly/1POb4uH ) [23:45]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel why not just have some coffee ? [23:45]
btc hi [23:45]
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gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: I drink about 2 pots a day without it sometimes. [23:45]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: the amout of liquid is irritating. [23:45]
mircea_popescu ... [23:45]
mircea_popescu a) you should drink about a gallon of water a day ; b) if you don't like how much coffee you drink just make a point of drinking a little less each day for a while ? [23:46]
mircea_popescu who're you btc ? [23:46]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: I try to make a point of drinking less, and it works. for a while. then I'm back to a pot or two a day. [23:47]
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mircea_popescu so make a point of paying attention for longer ? [23:47]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: I need it to think. [23:47]
gabriel_laddel (IMHO, I actually need some sort of medication, but have not really looked into it) [23:48]
mircea_popescu yesyes. [23:48]
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mircea_popescu it is taken. [23:50]
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gabriel_laddel Does anyone have some "grey goo pipe dreams" re mechanical program optimization? [23:51]
gabriel_laddel If you do, I'd love to hear them. [23:51]
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mats modafinil is p great. [23:58]
gabriel_laddel mats: doesn't work for me... [23:58]
gabriel_laddel my thoughts get all disjointed, but then again, I've only tried the racemic stuff [23:58]
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mircea_popescu honestly, if i actually needed some substance to think i would probably drop everything and go shoot bears for a while. [23:59]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: you have that option. [23:59]
asciilifeform ^^ [23:59]
asciilifeform cue 'everyone has that option', here have a broomstick [23:59]
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