Forum logs for 24 Nov 2014
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
| jurov | it wears off, i can't even be properly paranoid anymore | [00:00] |
| nubbins` | splendid | [00:00] |
| mircea_popescu | o.O | [00:02] |
| mircea_popescu | which sshd is this ? | [00:02] |
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| mircea_popescu | da shit is this i've never seen such a thing. | [00:03] |
| joecool | opensshd version? and were you able to reproduce this anywhere else? | [00:03] |
| mircea_popescu | jurov ^ | [00:03] |
| jurov | OpenSSH_6.2p2, OpenSSL 1.0.1j-fips 15 Oct 2014 | [00:04] |
| jurov | not tried to reproduce, first time i see this | [00:04] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2980 @ 0.00121941 = 3.6338 BTC [+] {2} | [00:06] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00041 = 11.48 BTC [-] | [00:26] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41500 @ 0.00041831 = 17.3599 BTC [+] | [00:47] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00041831 = 7.2995 BTC [+] | [00:50] |
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| mircea_popescu | lol fail | [00:59] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00041894 = 4.2522 BTC [+] | [01:02] |
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| ben_vulpes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIHa5Fc5Oas&feature=youtu.be | [01:10] |
| assbot | chomp - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgmQmR ) | [01:10] |
| ben_vulpes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIHa5Fc5Oas << also works | [01:11] |
| assbot | chomp - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zgmXih ) | [01:11] |
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| cazalla | http://qntra.net/2014/11/gaw-miners-continue-scam-while-coinfire-is-defaced/ | [01:32] |
| assbot | GAW Miners Continue Scam While CoinFire Is Defaced | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1HCJETF ) | [01:32] |
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| kakobrekla | lol @ cf | [02:01] |
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| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.10038222 = 2.2084 BTC [+] {2} | [02:11] |
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| BingoBoingo | !up dpb-dotcom | [02:58] |
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| danielpbarron | hi dpb-dotcom | [03:00] |
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| danielpbarron | ;;rate thomas_d 1 plays on seals as thomas_dick | [03:14] |
| gribble | Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user thomas_d has been recorded. | [03:14] |
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| cazalla | http://qntra.net/2014/11/breakout-gaming-ico-concludes/ | [03:43] |
| assbot | Breakout Gaming ICO Concludes | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1pdlqcw ) | [03:43] |
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| BingoBoingo | Hello GamerZag | [03:45] |
| mircea_popescu | lol what happened to coinfire | [03:53] |
| mircea_popescu | !up zen_ | [03:53] |
| -assbot- | You voiced zen_ for 30 minutes. | [03:53] |
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| kakobrekla | they got phwned? | [03:53] |
| BingoBoingo | Looks like it. They did a piece on GAW miners and then a few hours later... haxxed | [03:54] |
| xanthyos | https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/B3K6LmLIAAAzo5C.mp4 | [03:55] |
| assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/11pCVM2 ) | [03:55] |
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| mircea_popescu | lulzy. | [04:02] |
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| mircea_popescu | !s naggum field demand | [04:07] |
| assbot | 0 results for 'naggum field demand' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=naggum+field+demand | [04:07] |
| mircea_popescu | meh where was it | [04:07] |
| cazalla | lol a fkn rabbit is front page of /r/bitcoin | [04:07] |
| mircea_popescu | yours ? | [04:08] |
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| cazalla | mircea_popescu, of course | [04:19] |
| mircea_popescu | wd lol | [04:19] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54500 @ 0.00041922 = 22.8475 BTC [+] {3} | [04:43] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60053 @ 0.00041892 = 25.1574 BTC [-] {2} | [04:49] |
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| mircea_popescu | asciilifeform btw, because i remembered doing the research for my latest : speaking of the "how about you stop sending niggers" thing - the romanian secret service arrested a few dozen men mid december 1989 who were travelling to timisoara by themselves. no women, no children, "vacation". they had all heard that this was the oldest town in europe with electric illumination. | [04:55] |
| mircea_popescu | lulz of all time. | [04:55] |
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| BingoBoingo | http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/22/health/thanksmichelleobama-school-lunches/index.html?cid=C13888a07 | [05:01] |
| assbot | #ThanksMichelleObama: Students criticize school lunches - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1tplb9T ) | [05:01] |
| mircea_popescu | it's like reading the fucking scinteia over here. "elena ceausescu has visited the highschool #85, gave dispositions" | [05:02] |
| mircea_popescu | so romanian presidential elections were 30%-40% first round, then 54% - 45% 2nd round. then they made a poll to see who people voted with, and 66% claim to have voted wioth the winner. that's 12% more than actually did. what fraction of that is people lying, and what fraction is votes stolen ? | [05:28] |
| mats_cd03 | http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/time-apologizes-including-feminist-poll-words-ban | [05:31] |
| assbot | TIME apologizes for including 'feminist' in poll of words to ban | The Rundown | PBS NewsHour ... ( http://bit.ly/1tpm56k ) | [05:31] |
| mats_cd03 | "TIME apologizes for the execution of this poll; the word ‘feminist’ should not have been included in a list of words to ban. While we meant to invite debate about some ways the word was used this year, that nuance was lost, and we regret that its inclusion has become a distraction from the important debate over equality and justice." | [05:31] |
| mats_cd03 | kek. | [05:31] |
| mircea_popescu | wait. so they banned words from the poll to ban words ? | [05:31] |
| mats_cd03 | don't play the game if you can't take the heat, playa | [05:32] |
| mircea_popescu | and they have a poll about "what" pre-decided words to ban ? | [05:32] |
| mircea_popescu | how very feminist, progressive and pseudo-justice anti-social of them | [05:32] |
| mircea_popescu | "we want to have a democratic process for as long as the results come out the way we like. we also want science that confirms our preconceived notions". | [05:32] |
| mircea_popescu | they could be Time Africa / Soviet Union / Best Korea just as well. | [05:33] |
| mats_cd03 | they can't afford to offend women, they're the demographic with most disposable income no? | [05:33] |
| ben_vulpes | mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/cererea-de-suspendare-a-pre%C8%99edintelui-traian-basescu-sau-cu-caragiale-tot-inainte/ << i nominate for translation queue based on link title alone | [05:35] |
| assbot | Cererea de suspendare a președintelui Traian Băsescu, sau cu Caragiale tot inainte! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1C3dpwQ ) | [05:35] |
| mircea_popescu | noted. | [05:35] |
| mircea_popescu | mats_cd03 how is this a fucking criteria lol. | [05:36] |
| ben_vulpes | although the acronym puns are probably going to be hard | [05:36] |
| mircea_popescu | i made acronym puns ?!@ | [05:36] |
| mircea_popescu | o look at that, i made acronym puns. | [05:36] |
| mircea_popescu | Proleguminie ahahaha god help us. | [05:37] |
| mircea_popescu | im sorry foxy, that shit's untranslatable. | [05:37] |
| mircea_popescu | ;;google prolegomenos | [05:37] |
| gribble | Prolegómenos. Derechos y Valores - Redalyc: |
[05:37] |
| mircea_popescu | ;;google legume | [05:37] |
| gribble | Legume - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: |
[05:37] |
| ben_vulpes | at this rate i'm going to have to learn romanian | [05:37] |
| mircea_popescu | learn latin, it'll open a whole new englishj to you | [05:38] |
| ben_vulpes | myeah. | [05:38] |
| mircea_popescu | and romanian is practically mutually comprehensible. | [05:38] |
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| mircea_popescu | "La ultimul termen din 1 aprilie, Mazăre s-a prezentat la procesul de la Cureta de Apel Bucureşti" << they were trying for the "court of appeals". itcame out, "the appalling curette". | [05:41] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61803 @ 0.00041272 = 25.5073 BTC [-] {2} | [06:05] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49695 @ 0.00041 = 20.375 BTC [-] | [06:13] |
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| cazalla | xanthyos, how's ya cock mate | [06:14] |
| ben_vulpes | mircea_popescu: "25% salary cuts every 2-3 months" << this is a thing? | [06:15] |
| mircea_popescu | yep. | [06:16] |
| mircea_popescu | actually, for years on end "journos" got no pay at all. | [06:16] |
| mircea_popescu | "maybe next month, something" | [06:16] |
| ben_vulpes | how'd they eat? | [06:17] |
| mircea_popescu | and before you're shocked : at least half gawker employees are in exactly the same situation . if the thing didn't happen to be an organ of the socialist press, they'd be in prison like that indian diplomat for "slave labour" | [06:17] |
| mircea_popescu | how do whores generally eat ? around the cock in their mouth. | [06:17] |
| mircea_popescu | couch surfing is a thing. bumming food and shelter off people you met at a party last week idem. | [06:17] |
| mircea_popescu | in the immortal words of maggie the cat, "you can be young and without money, you just can't be old and without it" | [06:18] |
| xanthyos | cazalla: swollen, but no longer mangled | [06:19] |
| xanthyos | i took the gauze off yesterday, it's circumstitched | [06:20] |
| xanthyos | like the molding of a real doll | [06:20] |
| ben_vulpes | mircea_popescu: i'm familiar with the females of my age group couch surfing, living on gov't grants, waitressing, staying up late chain smoking over the odd "piece". | [06:21] |
| mircea_popescu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0CzvCpEkKg << old music hour. | [06:21] |
| assbot | Wheatus -Teenage Dirtbag (Lyrics & A cute font) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1tpnGcn ) | [06:21] |
| mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes so then. | [06:21] |
| mircea_popescu | and "entrepreneurs" aren't in that much better a shape, since we're on it. | [06:22] |
| ben_vulpes | but they never got paid to begin with. pay cuts tho? | [06:22] |
| mircea_popescu | yeah well... it gets better. they mostly owe to banks, have wives and children | [06:22] |
| ben_vulpes | (the girls of my generation, i mean.) | [06:22] |
| mircea_popescu | they took out credits in swiss francs because they were 1% cheaper before the swiss franc doubled in value over a summer, so they could pay 80k for a shitty prefab apartment in a shitty bucharest neighbourhood, | [06:23] |
| mircea_popescu | ie, 3x what a house apparently costs in ohio (and that 1% was off ~14% a year, mind) | [06:23] |
| mircea_popescu | on it goes, lulzfest is of such epic proportions it can scarcely be conveyed. | [06:23] |
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| mircea_popescu | and speaking of which... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuTMWgOduFM | [06:24] |
| assbot | Pulp - Common People - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vgH6FG ) | [06:24] |
| mircea_popescu | parents carry part of the blame. | [06:24] |
| ben_vulpes | i struggle with the flipside of the debt thing - what to do with the retained earnings? go long the stock market? really? i'm bullish on btc on like a 30 year timeframe so that has to have next to no bearing on the 1-2 year timeframe for handling retained earnings right now. give up the 8% or w/e the market's doing under QE or hold it all in cash because "it can't go on like this forever!11!" | [06:26] |
| xanthyos | i prefer the william shatner cover | [06:26] |
| xanthyos | to common people | [06:26] |
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| mircea_popescu | just buy stuff. | [06:27] |
| mircea_popescu | you're not making enough to actually have the problem of not being able to buy stuff. | [06:27] |
| mircea_popescu | buy an apartment in every city you ever heard of and rent it out. worst comes to worst you have where to live. stuff like that. | [06:28] |
| ben_vulpes | can't quite swing apartments this year. | [06:28] |
| ben_vulpes | as i said this afternoon "too much money to put to use in our own business, not enough to get into any others". | [06:28] |
| mircea_popescu | so stock up on stuff then. look at your grocery list, see everything on there you actually like and keeps well, buy a year's supply | [06:30] |
| mircea_popescu | or w/e you figure you'll be there for. | [06:30] |
| mircea_popescu | the 8% is illusory. having the stuff on hand for when the price hikes is not. | [06:30] |
| mircea_popescu | as a general principle : the only use of money in an inflationary spiral is to buy stuff. | [06:31] |
| ben_vulpes | monitors and desks are certainly on the list. | [06:31] |
| mircea_popescu | the more tangible the better. tuna is stuff. stocks... hardly. | [06:31] |
| mircea_popescu | nah, not monitors. tech items make poor stuff. | [06:32] |
| undata | stockpile booze | [06:32] |
| undata | that's always valuable in a depression | [06:32] |
| ben_vulpes | ;;later tell asciilifeform subject of monitors: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005JN9310/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s03?ie=UTF8 << excellent vertical orientation displays | [06:33] |
| gribble | The operation succeeded. | [06:33] |
| mircea_popescu | anecdotally, i totally raped the power company in romania. one year they were desperate for cash, so you could make a deal where you prepaid consumption at fixed rate. so i did, i prepaid for like a year. | [06:33] |
| assbot | Amazon.com: Dell UltraSharp U2412M 24-Inch Screen LED-lit Monitor: Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1vgJV9R ) | [06:33] |
| mircea_popescu | then prices went the fuck up and threatened to go further up, so they actually paid me to settle it. | [06:33] |
| mircea_popescu | a month after which the prices went down. | [06:33] |
| ben_vulpes | lol wd | [06:33] |
| ben_vulpes | we are planning to buy the year's rent in a lump sum | [06:33] |
| mircea_popescu | i was the passive element really, they just were really intent on selfrape somehow | [06:33] |
| mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes i pay quarterly anyway, but as long as its set in the contract whatr diff does it make ? | [06:34] |
| mircea_popescu | unlkess you get a discount i guess. | [06:34] |
| ben_vulpes | it's a more expensive space, but nobody's teeth will be chattering in the new space. | [06:34] |
| ben_vulpes | book it as an expense in 2014 for taxes. | [06:34] |
| mircea_popescu | ah like that. sure. | [06:34] |
| ben_vulpes | also reincorporating as an s-corp in 2015 for ibid | [06:34] |
| ben_vulpes | so what, two cases of champagne? | [06:35] |
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| ben_vulpes | well yeah that's why it's part of the offer on the space | [07:04] |
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| ben_vulpes | cazalla: do you tan your rabbit hides? | [07:20] |
| ben_vulpes | moreover is tanning even the thing to do with hairy hides? | [07:22] |
| * | ben_vulpes is out of his depth...again. | [07:22] |
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| cazalla | ben_vulpes, nope, i should learn but i just compost what's left | [07:33] |
| ben_vulpes | cazalla: i'm casually observing lady v browse etsy et al for moar home furnishings (just set her up with the budget for a kilim rug), saw rabbit fur flash across the screen, thought of your habits. | [07:35] |
| asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: monitor << 1920 x 1200, yuck | [07:37] |
| asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: and most of the cheap offerings have subpar view angles vertically | [07:37] |
| asciilifeform | (i have not tried this one, but recently spat on a similar one - 'asus' ?) | [07:38] |
| ben_vulpes | asciilifeform: why is 1200x1920 so abhorrent? | [07:39] |
| asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: i'm finding 1440 a tight horizontal fit at the moment | [07:40] |
| ben_vulpes | a hilarious thing about my monitor selections | [07:41] |
| ben_vulpes | i can't use very tall monitors, as i bought these glasses in high school and they have an extremely narrow field of vision. | [07:41] |
| asciilifeform | lol ben_vulpes using the same spectacle frames for a decade, just like me | [07:41] |
| asciilifeform | i've already had to buff them, will soon need to electroplate | [07:42] |
| asciilifeform | as all the Cr has long ago come off | [07:42] |
| ben_vulpes | i can't use contacts while programming as my prescription is way out in the tail of the distribution, where the spacing between contact fabrication points squarely frames my actual needs. | [07:42] |
| ben_vulpes | plus, astigmatism. | [07:42] |
| ben_vulpes | so - i use the 1920x1200's in horizontal orientation, slapping 3 buffers sideways. | [07:43] |
| * | asciilifeform never grasped the appeal of 'let's now screw this bit of plastic into eye' | [07:43] |
| * | asciilifeform did try it just to say 'yes tried it' | [07:43] |
| ben_vulpes | oh let's see | [07:43] |
| ben_vulpes | full field of vision | [07:43] |
| ben_vulpes | eyes move, not head | [07:43] |
| ben_vulpes | (particularly important when the astigmatism severely degrades views through anywhere but the lens center) | [07:44] |
| * | asciilifeform sorta remembers, from childhood, that this is possible | [07:44] |
| asciilifeform | but only in deep theory | [07:44] |
| ben_vulpes | i miss this terribly. | [07:44] |
| ben_vulpes | once upon a time my contacts were made to order. | [07:44] |
| ben_vulpes | this, afaik, is not available anymore. | [07:44] |
| ben_vulpes | it was a glorious time at the intersection of the autorefractor and the custom plastics. | [07:44] |
| ben_vulpes | lead time was nearly a month back then. | [07:45] |
| ben_vulpes | these days: auto-refractor - you betcha. lead times - in stock. odd prescription in the tail of things? get fucked. | [07:46] |
| ben_vulpes | i believe that you have a term for this degradation of the industrial toolchain, asciilifeform, but it escapes me at the moment. | [07:46] |
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| asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: if i did - forgot. | [07:50] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44400 @ 0.00041 = 18.204 BTC [-] | [07:54] |
| cazalla | zomg, anyone heard of a mobility golf cart? gawminers community raised funds to some random.. "Within one month, they had raised over $3000, enabling Doc to purchase a golf cart urgently needed for mobility, enabling him to live alone but independently in Crystal River, FL. He also received enough mining equipment and hashing power to keep a steady stream of income flowing for the rest of his life." | [08:04] |
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| asciilifeform | cazalla: not much of a factor on lcd, no ? | [08:05] |
| cazalla | huge factor, it's easy to tell diff between 60hz-80hz and 120-144hz | [08:06] |
| asciilifeform | how ? | [08:06] |
| cazalla | well, at least for gaming but even for desktop use i get a headache from anything less than 120hz | [08:06] |
| asciilifeform | and, afaik, >60Hz is only achieved on 6-bit colour channels | [08:06] |
| asciilifeform | that is, turd | [08:06] |
| asciilifeform | i can see the dither flicker. on all of them. | [08:06] |
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| cazalla | where am i gonna get a widescreen crt though, one suitable for gaming | [08:09] |
| asciilifeform | imho we have a case of poor toilet-kitchen separation here. | [08:10] |
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| cazalla | you should see my logitech kb :P | [08:12] |
| cazalla | if viewing angle is a concern, i can see how they are utter shit but if not, suitable for gaming/desktop use, i like my 120hz led | [08:14] |
| asciilifeform | i can see the 7-8th 'virtual' bits of colour DAC resolution flicker. | [08:15] |
| asciilifeform | with naked eye. | [08:15] |
| asciilifeform | it is monstrous. | [08:15] |
| asciilifeform | to my eyes, using these '120hz' lcd is like using a crt at 60hz | [08:15] |
| asciilifeform | physical pain. | [08:15] |
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| asciilifeform | yeah, more or less nobody i know can. other than my brother - fellow mutant. | [08:16] |
| cazalla | crt@60hz would be quite painful | [08:16] |
| cazalla | my eyes are fucked anyway, can't see 3d etc on account of lazy eye | [08:17] |
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| asciilifeform | wtf is the point of a 120hz display if not for 3d shutter goggles. | [08:18] |
| * | asciilifeform once had to wear these for work, does not miss it | [08:18] |
| cazalla | as a kid, no-one picked up that i had a lazy eye, so for many years i didn't even understand why i couldn't see what all these other kids could see with those stereogram books | [08:18] |
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| cazalla | asciilifeform, seems to reduce motion blur, less flicking, tearing when gaming | [08:20] |
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| asciilifeform | where'll i see motion blur, in 'emacs', lol | [08:24] |
| asciilifeform | so long as cursors do not leave 'snail trails' - satisfied. | [08:24] |
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| asciilifeform | mats_cd03, mircea_popescu: regin trojan << mega-lol. run moar winblows, yes. | [08:31] |
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| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: naggum field demand >> http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3140985758772364@naggum.no.html << here | [08:32] |
| assbot | Re: Is LISP dying? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1rgShZV ) | [08:32] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: 3x what a house apparently costs in ohio << dirty math here. house in ohio costs 100% of a typical ohio inmate's disposable income. just like in ca or dc. | [08:34] |
| asciilifeform | it only appears cheap to folks who are not inmates. | [08:35] |
| * | asciilifeform recalls experiment where, when leaving ro in april, paid cabbie in airport with a benjie instead of exact change in local bills. he made an odd face. | [08:37] |
| * | asciilifeform was not able to determine if face meant 'thanks' or 'you moron'. experiment wasted. | [08:38] |
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| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: you could make a deal where you prepaid consumption at fixed rate. so i did << and then how many tons of aluminum did you refine? or wasted! | [08:40] |
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| xanthyos | has anyone used openkeychain for android? | [08:49] |
| xanthyos | i just got a tablet and i want to find a reliable authing app | [08:50] |
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| mircea_popescu | the skin is worth more than half the rabbit ffs. | [09:07] |
| mircea_popescu | * asciilifeform never grasped the appeal of 'let's now screw this bit of plastic into eye' << cause women don't look good in glasses. | [09:09] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38874 @ 0.00041197 = 16.0149 BTC [+] | [09:37] |
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| cazalla | if you would like to ask andreas derp a question tonight - https://www.sli.do/event/1zzatakl#ask | [09:56] |
| assbot | The Bitcoin Address | Sli.do ... ( http://bit.ly/1C3RKVb ) | [09:56] |
| cazalla | i can smell his stench from 30 minutes away | [09:56] |
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| mircea_popescu | lol they have a special revolutionary web2.0 site for slides ? | [10:10] |
| cazalla | actually, his talk is tmw, some other idiots shilling altcoins tonight instead but even still.. | [10:11] |
| xanthyos | so you smelled him from even further in the future | [10:12] |
| xanthyos | tachyonic odor | [10:12] |
| cazalla | xanthyos, he's there tonight, just his talk is tmw or some shit, i dunno, i take offense at him being here in my home town :P | [10:12] |
| mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/2012/razboiul-cu-presa-in-reluare/#comment-76264 << the ddos kiddies of 2012 lmao | [10:15] |
| assbot | Razboiul cu "presa" in reluare pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1tpxuTR ) | [10:15] |
| mircea_popescu | the shit i find digging... | [10:15] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2100 @ 0.00120988 = 2.5407 BTC [-] {13} | [10:18] |
| cazalla | interesting, new zealanders are like australia's version of mexicans - Fewer New Zealanders are leaving for Australia and more Kiwis are returning home. Statistics that have just been released show New Zealand's annual net migration gain rising to a record for the third consecutive month, led by an increase in student arrivals from India and fewer Kiwis crossing the Tasman. | [10:22] |
| cazalla | from http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/11/24/more-kiwis-leaving-australia-coming-first-time-21-years | [10:23] |
| assbot | More Kiwis leaving Australia than coming for the first time in 21 years | SBS News ... ( http://bit.ly/1tpxZ07 ) | [10:23] |
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| punkman | http://seclists.org/nanog/2014/Nov/530 | [10:37] |
| assbot | nanog: Re: Craigslist hacked? ... ( http://bit.ly/1tpyKGh ) | [10:37] |
| punkman | https://fuzzing-project.org/software.html | [10:39] |
| assbot | The Fuzzing Project - apps ... ( http://bit.ly/1tpyR4I ) | [10:39] |
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| mircea_popescu | "The craigslist account at one of our registrars was compromised" << aka, social engineering. | [10:41] |
| mircea_popescu | still the #1 threat. | [10:41] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28496 @ 0.0004336 = 12.3559 BTC [+] | [10:54] |
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| cazalla | undata: in the words of reddit, if you try to grab a cops gun, you're gonna have a bad time | [22:54] |
| undata | cazalla: a cop would never lie about that after shooting an unarmed guy | [22:55] |
| undata | I grew up in TX, where cops shooting unarmed black kids doesn't even make the news. | [22:56] |
| cazalla | they off each in greater numbers, why not campaign about that instead | [22:57] |
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| mircea_popescu | !up Sid3waY | [22:57] |
| -assbot- | You voiced Sid3waY for 30 minutes. | [22:57] |
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| undata | or cut the pretense that the cops are there to protect the population | [22:57] |
| Sid3waY | Hihi | [22:57] |
| Sid3waY | Thank you | [22:58] |
| mircea_popescu | undata the actual population. | [22:58] |
| mircea_popescu | ello Sid3waY. who're you ? | [22:58] |
| asciilifeform | the 'police brutality' crap is orchestrated by u.s. lizard media. ergo it is simply a prelude to a 'sudden, brilliant, hope, change 11!111!!' 'solution' - a national gendarmerie. think 'dhs' but this time 'for real.' | [22:58] |
| Sid3waY | I'm looking for a Lil help on margin trading on bitfinex | [22:58] |
| Sid3waY | I'm s1dew4y | [22:58] |
| undata | asciilifeform: oh, certainly | [22:58] |
| mircea_popescu | cazalla so if the young males don't off each other what are you going to do with the losers ? teach them javascript ? | [22:58] |
| undata | but it's not as if it's all coordinated | [22:58] |
| mircea_popescu | Sid3waY generally the standing advice on bitfinex is that you should get off that scam. | [22:58] |
| undata | these redneck cops are just naturally useful | [22:58] |
| cazalla | undata, i don't think that at all, i just think it's a bit much to cry over a cop killing a nignog who tried to grab his gun when said nignogs kill each other in greater numbers but no media circus there, no riots either | [22:58] |
| Sid3waY | In was sent here as all pricetall/trading isn't allowed in Bitcoin -_- | [22:59] |
| Sid3waY | Scam... | [22:59] |
| cazalla | mircea_popescu, i'll train em to fight like pokemon | [22:59] |
| undata | cazalla: the whole "nignog" thing doesn't exactly give you the intellectual high ground here | [22:59] |
| mircea_popescu | cazalla howssat ? | [22:59] |
| mats_cd03 | no, but its funny | [22:59] |
| undata | you're just assuming he went for the gun because it fits your predetermined view on the thing | [22:59] |
| mircea_popescu | Sid3waY it's perfectly allowed, just, i dunno that anyone actuallytrusts it to keep money there. | [22:59] |
| mircea_popescu | cazalla for what it's worth i did confiscate a "cop"'s gun once. | [23:00] |
| cazalla | undata, aren't you assuming the cop shot him simply because he is black? | [23:00] |
| cazalla | mircea_popescu, ok but you clearly walked away unscathed, our nignog in quesation did not | [23:00] |
| mircea_popescu | well, she was either untrained or inept, but in any case a danger to herself an' others. and i knew her boss. | [23:01] |
| undata | ha, that's awesome | [23:01] |
| mircea_popescu | but the deeper moral is : see idiot with gun, take it from him. okay. | [23:01] |
| mircea_popescu | if you "take it from him" and he still shoots you... | [23:01] |
| mircea_popescu | baby, you did something wrong. | [23:01] |
| mircea_popescu | bitch was in no position to do anything. i could have shot her dead. that i didn't is an act of mercy on | [23:02] |
| mircea_popescu | MY part. | [23:02] |
| mircea_popescu | there wasn't at any point the possibility ~i'd~ get shot. | [23:02] |
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| cazalla | i'm not arguing that taking a gun from a cop is a bad/good thing, just that if one tries, don't be surprised if shot | [23:02] |
| BingoBoingo | !up S1deway | [23:02] |
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| mircea_popescu | cazalla if one tries and fails | [23:03] |
| mircea_popescu | maybe one should be shot. | [23:03] |
| S1deway | Ok sorry | [23:03] |
| S1deway | So is the interest rate the same on shorts and longs? | [23:03] |
| cazalla | best not fail then or we hear from undata how such failure is fault of cop | [23:03] |
| mircea_popescu | Sid3waY http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/ there. | [23:03] |
| assbot | #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/11QmHLM ) | [23:03] |
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| undata | cazalla: I'm merely pointing out that you enjoy assuming the nigger got what he deserved. | [23:04] |
| undata | to stop beating around the bush with "nignog" | [23:04] |
| mircea_popescu | cazalla seems to me on somewhat intuitively obvious, this. taking the gun of some armed entity is one of those things where you take your life in your hands. either you know what you're doing or don't complain at the results. | [23:04] |
| undata | who fucking knows, man | [23:04] |
| undata | but this cops killing black kids thing is pretty common in the south | [23:04] |
| mircea_popescu | undata cops sweating is also pretty common in the south. | [23:05] |
| cazalla | undata, it's not that, i just hate hearing about the injustice and all this over shit, they play it over and over in the media here and we don't even have guns or nignogs | [23:05] |
| mircea_popescu | ahahahaha | [23:05] |
| mircea_popescu | !b 2 | [23:05] |
| assbot | Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2KCJKCJ.txt ) | [23:05] |
| mircea_popescu | poor cazalla. | [23:05] |
| asciilifeform | in ussr (at one time) policemen were required to walk their beat in pairs. for this reason. | [23:05] |
| mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i thought it was for the other reason | [23:05] |
| mircea_popescu | (one could read, one couldwrite) | [23:05] |
| mircea_popescu | or wait, no, was it "6 years schooling each, together = ged" ? | [23:06] |
| asciilifeform | it was simply against 'knock'im over the head and take pistol' thing. | [23:06] |
| mircea_popescu | you know if this helpful ddosing of noobs continues we might even not need the voice thing anymore. | [23:06] |
| undata | cazalla: where do you live? | [23:07] |
| mircea_popescu | i wonder if mr "advanced permanent threat" lol can be relied on. | [23:07] |
| cazalla | undata, down under mate, true blue aussie battler | [23:07] |
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| cazalla | undata, nope, illegal, forget about croc dundee | [23:08] |
| undata | sad days | [23:08] |
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| undata | so here's my gripe, it's not social justice | [23:09] |
| mircea_popescu | they took the knife fights from the deported now ?! | [23:09] |
| undata | where the fuck is the authority who is supposed to manage these thugs (cops) and put them to some sensible use | [23:09] |
| undata | clearly terrorizing black people is just them enjoying themselves | [23:09] |
| asciilifeform | undata: orchestrated prelude for gestapo. it'll be greeted with cheering crowds. at first. | [23:10] |
| mircea_popescu | undata police is unmanageable in the socialist state. | [23:10] |
| cazalla | undata, if the nignogs had any sense, they'd all fight the cops instead of each other, but that won't ever happen | [23:10] |
| undata | cazalla: well that was engineered though | [23:10] |
| mircea_popescu | you have to understand there are some invariants in every system. you can pick which invariants, when you design it | [23:10] |
| undata | the state made sure they never grew any leaders | [23:10] |
| mircea_popescu | you can't pick whether to have them or not. | [23:10] |
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| undata | lever gardeners, they | [23:10] |
| undata | *clever | [23:10] |
| mircea_popescu | undata "the state". fuck them, they should have made sure they grew leaders. | [23:11] |
| mircea_popescu | this is why black society is inferior and arab society is not | [23:11] |
| undata | I see your point | [23:11] |
| mircea_popescu | the "state" has been trying to make sure arabs have no leaders since the days of mandate palestine. | [23:11] |
| mircea_popescu | all three socialisms tried, the british, and the russian, and the us. | [23:12] |
| mircea_popescu | they all succeeded about as splendidly. | [23:12] |
| mircea_popescu | fuck, the entire lawrence of arabia episode shows the arabs actually can make leaders OUT OF THE SOCIALIST GRUNTS | [23:12] |
| mircea_popescu | and that was no isolated incident, look how fucking paniced the socialist states are today | [23:12] |
| mircea_popescu | at the "o noes, all these 20something kids going to isis" | [23:13] |
| mircea_popescu | tell; you what, any 20 yo male that is not abortion material actually goes to isis today. | [23:13] |
| mircea_popescu | it's the place to go. | [23:13] |
| mircea_popescu | everyone that stays behind to populate reddit is plainly contemptible for this very reason. | [23:13] |
| mats_cd03 | odds on the caliphate materializing in the next decade? | [23:13] |
| mircea_popescu | woman's fucking job. | [23:13] |
| mircea_popescu | mats_cd03 so close to 100%... | [23:13] |
| mats_cd03 | i think so too. | [23:13] |
| undata | there's a podcaster I enjoy, Dan Carlin | [23:14] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: how's pure mathematics doing in isisland ? | [23:14] |
| mircea_popescu | that sort of thing can not be stopped by obama and buterin, oscar laureates. | [23:14] |
| undata | his theory is that the caliphate is exactly what's needed | [23:14] |
| TomServo | undata: That the hardcore history guy? | [23:14] |
| undata | and even that US policy might be to help that come about, though I think that's giving too much credit | [23:14] |
| undata | TomServo: yep | [23:14] |
| mircea_popescu | that sort of thing is stopped by people like us, and in its boundless ineptitude, the us has failed to come crawling on its hands and knees begging us. | [23:14] |
| mats_cd03 | eh. there's a distinct lack of officers in our ranks. | [23:15] |
| cazalla | can i just be a cop that kills random nignogs | [23:15] |
| mats_cd03 | although, plenty of soldiers, i'm sure, if you were to ask... | [23:15] |
| mircea_popescu | asciilifeform you heard of the famous al-gorithm | [23:15] |
| mircea_popescu | aka khwarizmi ? | [23:15] |
| undata | cazalla wants his knife back | [23:15] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: who hasn't. how many al-kwarizmis among isis now ? | [23:16] |
| mircea_popescu | mats_cd03 actual officers. | [23:16] |
| mircea_popescu | asciilifeform how would you know ? hollywood too busy giving prizes to shitfall. | [23:16] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: perhaps as many as there are archimedes among modern greeks ? | [23:16] |
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| mats_cd03 | i suppose i'd do ok as a company grade officer. | [23:16] |
| mircea_popescu | the substantial difference being that greece is a colony today. | [23:16] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: afaik isis is about as interesting as the iranian revolution. and for the same reason. | [23:18] |
| mircea_popescu | our data does not match. | [23:18] |
| undata | at least ISIS is explicit about their aims | [23:18] |
| mircea_popescu | isis is about as interesting as the columbian farc, except not bound by low population and tiny geograpgy. | [23:18] |
| undata | that's what drives me crazy about the US; nobody ever just says what's actual | [23:19] |
| undata | "White cop shot black kid for fun." | [23:19] |
| undata | or because he was scared | [23:19] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: yes, i get that anti-intellectual 'black hundreds' phenomena are an expected thing. yes, they're inevitable after corrupt 'scientocracies' fuck up the planet. but - it still sucks. | [23:19] |
| undata | "Citizen, your banks own you." | [23:19] |
| mircea_popescu | undata in a world where pretense is allowed, truth is necessarily disallowed. | [23:19] |
| undata | I'd take a king who said what he was up to any day. | [23:19] |
| mircea_popescu | it all starts with idiots who "wish to be polite" | [23:19] |
| cazalla | undata, pretty sure that is what they imply though eh | [23:20] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: 'A revolution without dancing is not a revolution' but - s/dancing/mathematics | [23:20] |
| mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i do not see that such anti-intellectual stuff is anything but 2nd layer us propaganda re isis. | [23:20] |
| undata | "Look I'm moving you peasants from this city to that because I want my rocket launch site there" | [23:20] |
| undata | fine! great! | [23:20] |
| mircea_popescu | like me hanging by their fallopian tubes all us "social sciences" professors | [23:20] |
| mircea_popescu | and then being accused of "anti intellectualianism" | [23:20] |
| mircea_popescu | orly ? | [23:20] |
| mircea_popescu | "evil warlord killed 5698048605 tenured professors in the us" | [23:20] |
| undata | the US is like that creepy, abusive parent that tells you everything is for your own good | [23:20] |
| BingoBoingo | Are there even that many? | [23:21] |
| mthreat | mircea_popescu: did you see this - http://bubblear.com/hey-beautiful/ | [23:21] |
| bagels7 | im canadian, and stupid canadian bitches on tv would rather say americans are not stupid than be impolite | [23:21] |
| assbot | Buenos Aires' SlutWalk: Marcha de las Putas Takes On Machismo | The Bubble | News from Argentina ... ( http://bit.ly/11QqCrU ) | [23:22] |
| mircea_popescu | mthreat i had not. | [23:22] |
| mircea_popescu | and its improbable it happened seeing how they all happen right under my window. | [23:22] |
| mats_cd03 | asciilifeform: i get the distinct impression that tools in volatile memory forensics are still relatively primitive (compared to disk forensics) in lots of ways ... Volatility and friends have developed a better understanding of win internals, but much of what they principally do is still brute force scanning. is this observation accurate? i'm fairly amateur | [23:22] |
| mats_cd03 | in this field | [23:22] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: where are the noteworthy intellectual achievements of the new caliphate? e.g., are they throwing out winblows (and not via return to 15th c. tech) ? who is paid to think thoughts in the lands of the new flag, and what kind of thoughts ? | [23:22] |
| undata | asciilifeform: who knows through the fog of propaganda | [23:22] |
| mircea_popescu | asciilifeform so far, 99% of the thoughts are "haxx the web" | [23:23] |
| undata | I've read they banned chemistry | [23:23] |
| undata | sounds pretty absurd | [23:23] |
| mircea_popescu | i've not heard of this. | [23:23] |
| mats_cd03 | BingoBoingo: you know, i suddenly realized today when browsing your /. page that you're the reason why i'm here -- i saw your 'Bitcoin Baron' and OpenBSD headline and decided to pop in to see what was up | [23:23] |
| * | mircea_popescu is not an authoerity on wtf isis does in any case. | [23:23] |
| mats_cd03 | BingoBoingo: so, thanks. | [23:23] |
| BingoBoingo | You're welcome mats_cd03 | [23:23] |
| undata | mircea_popescu: http://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/features/2014/08/16/ISIS-calls-for-an-Islamic-curriculum-in-Syria-s-Raqa.html | [23:23] |
| assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/11Qr9Ki ) | [23:23] |
| * | undata googles the owners of al arabiya | [23:24] |
| asciilifeform | undata: forget for a minute the propaganda. think of the starting material. if you were told that 'perhaps the modern greeks are intellectual giants, but u.s. propaganda obscures this' would you believe? or be justifiably skeptical. | [23:24] |
| mircea_popescu | undata okay but we weren't discussing k12 here. | [23:24] |
| undata | asciilifeform: oh shit, I mean to cut through it, I'm sure they're backwards as hell | [23:24] |
| mircea_popescu | asciilifeform what if you were told the same about russians ? | [23:24] |
| asciilifeform | aha islamic curriculum. i'm not seeing 'we'll kill adelberger & co. and force al schwartz's equivalence principle violation experiment to be carried out.' | [23:24] |
| undata | I'm also sure I'd be told they fuck babies if it would persuade me to support another war | [23:24] |
| mircea_popescu | the russians being a fine example. i could readily stroke the same public knowledge to elicit a "I'm sure they're backwards as hell". | [23:25] |
| cazalla | mats_cd03, did ya know BingoBoingo's /. posts are responsible for qntra's record traffic day and that reddit doesn't even come close | [23:25] |
| asciilifeform | mats_cd03: generally folks who have usefully sharp tools and actually understand microshit guts - aren't talking. because what is to be gained from public talk. | [23:25] |
| mircea_popescu | asciilifeform take it another way : where do i have a better chance to sell the experiment being tried ? wash dc, london or baghdad ? | [23:25] |
| undata | mircea_popescu: right, doesn't war tend to be about brutality, dominance, etc? | [23:25] |
| undata | atrocities happen on all sides of war | [23:26] |
| mircea_popescu | THIS is m y point exactly. whether they do or don't do better atm is immaterial. they WILL do better, necessarily, because they don't share the same lockdowns | [23:26] |
| mats_cd03 | asciilifeform: sad face. | [23:26] |
| mircea_popescu | and they don't for political reasons. | [23:26] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: may as well ask 'where's the better chance, mars or venus? and ant civilization or cockroach civilization' | [23:26] |
| chetty | you know MP recent article about press in Romania, big problem here is that Romanians knew from experience how bias the press is, Americans haven't figured it out yet. | [23:26] |
| mircea_popescu | once they establish some sort of state, they'll try shit. | [23:26] |
| mircea_popescu | they'll try shit with the desperation of stalin trying on shit. | [23:27] |
| mircea_popescu | or peron for that matter. recall his 1950s attempts to make fusion work ? | [23:27] |
| mircea_popescu | and im pretty sure isis is the first place with a serenissima embassy, for that matter. | [23:27] |
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| undata | they're already beating the war drum in the media here regarding Syria, Iraq, etc | [23:29] |
| undata | amazing that the US can hold firm to the PNAC through decades | [23:29] |
| assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [23:29] |
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| undata | at least we can focus on our own ruin, if nothing else | [23:29] |
| mircea_popescu | cazalla> did ya know that reddit doesn't even come close << yes. i knew. | [23:30] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: iran - 'tried shit.' i would need serious evidence of pig flight before believing that fundamentalist clerical revolutions are anything other than usg 'yi yi zhi yi' methods. | [23:30] |
| mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ etc. | [23:30] |
| assbot | Spamming reddit, an "experiment". pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/11QsO2y ) | [23:30] |
| cazalla | undata, is that not a good thing though? spending is accelerated etc | [23:31] |
| mircea_popescu | asciilifeform a) only an ideology can foment revolution ; b) all ideologies are reducible to ideologies. socialism, religion, take your pick. "democracy" | [23:31] |
| mircea_popescu | you're begging the question here. | [23:31] |
| mircea_popescu | all that matters is that | [23:31] |
| mircea_popescu | it's a new state, AGAINST the current morass. | [23:31] |
| mircea_popescu | this has to be supported merely because it hurts nato. | [23:31] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: human material matters. | [23:31] |
| mircea_popescu | the arabs are provedly not inferior material. | [23:31] |
| mircea_popescu | if this happened in africa you could murder me on this score, which is why we're not here talking about the numerous much larger rebellions all over subsaharan africa past decades. | [23:32] |
| undata | hm, just had the thought that maybe this is exactly how people *find* a good leader | [23:32] |
| undata | quick! erect the pyramid and he'll find the top | [23:32] |
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| mircea_popescu | but the arabs already proved themselves. in fact, we even have sciences and arts at all because the arabs kept them while the west was being all "progressive" the last tim around. | [23:32] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: so far usg is keeping these folks intensely interested in clitori butterfly collections and not the least bit in higher mathematics, without apparently breaking a sweat. | [23:32] |
| mircea_popescu | i don't see that flow of causality. | [23:33] |
| mircea_popescu | the usg is as related to this as the fly on the radiator related to the car crash. | [23:33] |
| mircea_popescu | they are cutting up women because they're desperately trying to resolve the significant sociopolitical problem of carin what women think. | [23:33] |
| mircea_popescu | they're currently going through the "hate them" phase. perhaps this may soon resolve al-fucking-ready. | [23:34] |
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| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: let's put it this way - the arab lands burn, and we know the arsonist - usg. who can say that arsonist is not still in control? | [23:34] |
| mircea_popescu | i do not see either of these. | [23:34] |
| mircea_popescu | what "burn" ? what we know ? | [23:34] |
| undata | asciilifeform: I wonder the same thing: is it a matter of policy to help re-establish a caliphate? | [23:34] |
| mircea_popescu | anyway, the discussion of whether we like or dislike isis is to be had once isis is a thing. | [23:35] |
| chetty | I'm not so sure about the human material, Egyptians can't read maps ... | [23:35] |
| mircea_popescu | so far it's not a thing yet, and it should be supported, merely to ruin more of the socialist world. | [23:35] |
| mircea_popescu | chetty i can see that angle. | [23:35] |
| mats_cd03 | cazalla: i'm not surprised, /. would be a better audience than reddit | [23:38] |
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| mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i would go so far as to say that isis is the thing that made the us destroy its permanent installations in baghdad, something that has not happened since china beatthem in vietnam. | [23:40] |
| mircea_popescu | this alone is good credentials, but consider : 50 trn is the us going to pay over the next 50 years for that war, and they were sent home by isis. | [23:40] |
| mircea_popescu | as far as any observer can determine, isis burned 50 trn worth of us soil. | [23:40] |
| mircea_popescu | we see the burning, we know the arsonist, could we not say isis in in control of the us today ? | [23:41] |
| undata | mircea_popescu: I've seen it mentioned several times that "ISIS" is the face of a force non-negligibly comprised of former baathists, etc | [23:41] |
| undata | who is to say what it ends up looking like | [23:41] |
| undata | maybe those guys end up outcompeting the religious idiots from within | [23:41] |
| mircea_popescu | undata if i sent my spymaster there, and she operated without constraint and superhuman power to report, | [23:42] |
| mircea_popescu | i'd still take her reports with a grain of salt. | [23:42] |
| mircea_popescu | imagine the whole saltmines of salt i need for all these other "reports" | [23:42] |
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| mircea_popescu | !up saifedean | [23:42] |
| -assbot- | You voiced saifedean for 30 minutes. | [23:42] |
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| mircea_popescu | hey there s. we were just talkin bout isis. how do you take that ? :D | [23:43] |
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| bagels7 | Hi, Im new so I was hoping you could link me to the most relevent articles since I only have 5 per week | [23:44] |
| mircea_popescu | bagels7 relevant to what ? | [23:45] |
| bagels7 | relevent to being aware of the world or just being sucessful | [23:45] |
| mircea_popescu | ugh that's a tough one. | [23:45] |
| bagels7 | im 26 years old and im not particularly educated | [23:46] |
| mircea_popescu | generally the way this works is someone asks a question and sometimes i pop an article out. but they're generally much more concrete. | [23:46] |
| undata | bagels7: high five, 27 and college dropout | [23:46] |
| mircea_popescu | mebbe someone in your position contribures what looked best to them ? | [23:46] |
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| bagels7 | undata: me too, but i flucked out due to paying for rent and food rather than school stuff | [23:46] |
| undata | bagels7: spend the 4 bucks or whatever and pay the man | [23:47] |
| undata | it's worth it | [23:47] |
| jurov | mircea_popescu i don't get it, what sets isis aart from iran and taleban? | [23:47] |
| jurov | *papart | [23:47] |
| bagels7 | can i use a credit card | [23:47] |
| jurov | or you have embassies in the later? | [23:47] |
| undata | bagels7: I left because college in texas is a fucking joke | [23:47] |
| asciilifeform | i'm with jurov on this one. both 'sent usa home' with tail between legs. and remain dreary idiot peasant uprisings. | [23:48] |
| mircea_popescu | papart lol. | [23:48] |
| bagels7 | undata: so you just got a job instead? | [23:49] |
| mircea_popescu | jurov i don't recall a humiliating defeat of the us and its allies at the hands of either iran or taleban. | [23:49] |
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| undata | bagels7: I'd held software jobs since 16, just went back to existing contacts for work | [23:49] |
| undata | now I'm doing my own thing in software | [23:49] |
| asciilifeform | cia muppet state smashed in iran. | [23:49] |
| mircea_popescu | the shah ?! | [23:49] |
| asciilifeform | aha | [23:50] |
| mircea_popescu | sure, if you want to melt the cheese you can go "and taleban bombed nyc" | [23:50] |
| mircea_popescu | maybe my judgement is idiosyncratic, but i don't see it. | [23:50] |
| undata | bagels7: I sought good mentors along the way who beat sensible habits into me | [23:50] |
| undata | as I'd hoped college would do | [23:50] |
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| undata | hence lurking here and trying to absorb things from the polymaths present | [23:50] |
| chetty | undata much better off these days with real mentors than college | [23:50] |
| bagels7 | my intelligence has greatly been reduced, my dad was an idiot, i wanted a computer since i was 13 but they only got one my second semester of college | [23:51] |
| mircea_popescu | intelligence doesn't reduce lol. | [23:51] |
| bagels7 | back then I had a brain and motivation to learn, now i don't care. let white society burn | [23:51] |
| mircea_popescu | pretty much the only sunny spot in human existence. | [23:51] |
| bagels7 | well my brain capacity to render images | [23:52] |
| mircea_popescu | so you'll make a shittier videoprojector ? | [23:52] |
| asciilifeform | early encounter with computer is not necessarily good for your mind. | [23:52] |
| mircea_popescu | lottery ticket really. | [23:52] |
| bagels7 | no no brain images, in my mind | [23:52] |
| bagels7 | i can visualise complicated 3d shapes | [23:52] |
| mircea_popescu | bagels7 think of it this way : most of the graybeards that we respect met computers in their 50s, after fucking with paper for a long time. | [23:53] |
| mircea_popescu | all the people we think are ok met computers in college | [23:53] |
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| mircea_popescu | virtually all the imbeciles we despise had computers as children. | [23:53] |
| bagels7 | i dont respect much gray hair anymore, due to being deceived with their lies | [23:53] |
| mircea_popescu | graybeards is a term of art | [23:53] |
| bagels7 | i didn't major in art, :/ | [23:54] |
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| chetty | lesson 1 bagels7 , judge things one at a time, not in groups | [23:54] |
| mircea_popescu | a term of art is a word that has a speciffic meaning within a discipline. | [23:54] |
| mircea_popescu | in this case, graybeard in computing means a true expert. | [23:54] |
| bagels7 | well i knew that much | [23:54] |
| mircea_popescu | the minskys and kuhns and whatnot | [23:55] |
| mircea_popescu | actually, is linus a graybeard ? | [23:55] |
| mircea_popescu | or still too young | [23:55] |
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| asciilifeform | linus? lol, never! | [23:56] |
| mircea_popescu | lol k | [23:56] |
| bagels7 | im not sure i get your point. | [23:56] |
| asciilifeform | can debate, but he fails a number of basic tests for the category, not limited to age | [23:56] |
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| mircea_popescu | !up omen1855 | [23:56] |
| -assbot- | You voiced omen1855 for 30 minutes. | [23:56] |
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| mircea_popescu | asciilifeform how about stallman ? | [23:56] |
| bagels7 | I'm still rovering from the jehovah witness's and religious brainwashing | [23:57] |
| undata | stallman gets emacs points, doesn't he? | [23:57] |
| mircea_popescu | i think that part's disputed. | [23:57] |
| omen1855 | thank you | [23:57] |
| mircea_popescu | bagels7 so then be welcome in our cult ranks! | [23:57] |
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| jurov | bagels7: you were just properly raised by mircea_popescu's standards | [23:57] |
| mircea_popescu | omen1855 sure. who're you ? | [23:57] |
| mircea_popescu | jurov wait wut ?! | [23:57] |
| undata | bagels7: I was raised revelations-cult christian | [23:58] |
| undata | same difference eh? | [23:58] |
| asciilifeform | i'd include stallman - but my picture of 'graybeard' is about having experienced 'real computing' | [23:58] |
| jurov | mircea_popescu beatings and brainwashing | [23:58] |
| bagels7 | idk 6 hours of week for church and spankings if you talked or moved too much for not being able to sit still for 2 hours | [23:58] |
| undata | bagels7: don't give in to that victim mentality | [23:58] |
| mircea_popescu | undata is this one of those where kids get bored so they claim to see jesus and adults get all excited "because kids can't lie" and then the primary attention getting mechanism available to kids is making wild religious revelation claims ? | [23:58] |
| undata | who cares | [23:58] |
| chetty | asciilifeform, you mean like strung core? | [23:58] |
| bagels7 | the beatings were way worse than any bdsm "master" i had | [23:59] |
| undata | mircea_popescu: well yeah but needs more 'bama | [23:59] |
| undata | :D | [23:59] |
| mircea_popescu | jurov beatings, sure. im not for brainwashing! | [23:59] |
| mircea_popescu | asciilifeform so then mel is your patriarch ? | [23:59] |
| omen1855 | someone who used to come here on occasion last year, no celebrity | [23:59] |
| jurov | but you're for isis | [23:59] |
| mircea_popescu | jurov politics. | [23:59] |
| asciilifeform | chetty: not specifically magnetic core. but the general principle, of a machine built for intelligent, educated folks, who are -expected to understand- it. | [23:59] |
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