Forum logs for 24 Feb 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu !up changenie [00:21]
-assbot- Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu, !up yourself on PM first. [00:21]
mircea_popescu omfg assbot! [00:21]
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mircea_popescu aaand changed ip. for shame. anyone willing to run a b-a fork of the thing ? [00:43]
mircea_popescu << half the world sees it as, the rest sees it as [00:44]
assbot Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS? ... ( ) [00:44]
mircea_popescu neither of which happen to match the it was answering from merely five minutes ago. [00:45]
BingoBoingo Mebbe they just really are out to get you? [00:47]
mircea_popescu possibru. what do you see ? [00:47]
phf i have some lisp code to do what does from back when i was reading everything from kindle, but it'll take a few weeks for me to get it into a running service state.. [00:47]
danielpbarron i also noticed their ip was weird after i pasted your /etc/hosts list into my own and it stopped working the other day [00:47]
mircea_popescu phf i am pretty sure the code's published [00:47]
phf oh then it's for somebody else to fuck around with [00:48]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron was it earlier ? i actually just loaded a page, worked fine, minutes later bupkiss [00:48]
BingoBoingo [00:49]
danielpbarron the main page would load, but when i tried to archive something that's where it would go to a new ip [00:49]
mircea_popescu us & china version [00:49]
phf person: Shevchenko Andrey address: Tussen de Bogen 6, 1013 JB Amsterdam, The Netherlands , hehe just the kind of person to run a service like that.. [00:49]
mircea_popescu in other lulz, [00:50]
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mircea_popescu phf oh, you know him ? [00:50]
phf no, i know a few russian living in netherlands, and they all fall under kind of a similar stereotype [00:52]
mircea_popescu ah [00:52]
mircea_popescu in other news, either the code vanished or i;m just delusional, but can't seem to locate it [00:53]
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mircea_popescu anyway, this would be very good synnergy with deedbot, because not only can pages be saved, but sha512sums of the pages can be deeded. [00:54]
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mircea_popescu now i gotta fish out the guy's email and perhaps see if he'd be willing to share ? [00:55]
phf i think ben_vulpes has been working on his own take on the service? i remember there was some noise last time question came up. anyone attempting will fast realize that it's a pita. [00:55]
mircea_popescu "The archive runs Apache Hadoop and Apache Accumulo. All data is stored on HDFS" what's the esteemed peerage think ? should be rewritten ? worth reusing ? [00:56]
mircea_popescu it is undeniably a pita. [00:56]
mircea_popescu however a lot of leeway is available re shitty sites. i honestly couldn't care less what "functionality" is lost through js being discarded out of hand, for instance. [00:56]
phf above is entirely java stack, and the quoted parts only talk about storage aspect. (accumulo is layer on top of hadoop's hdfs) [00:58]
mircea_popescu aha. [00:58]
phf [00:58]
assbot blog — Is it possible to get the source code of this... ... ( ) [00:58]
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phf "can't have our thing, but here's a link to a chrome extension that does nothing like what we do. run along now" [00:59]
mircea_popescu 2013 tho [00:59]
BingoBoingo [01:00]
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mircea_popescu phf it ~would~ be a pretty decent showcase of lisp, i'll readily grant that. [01:00]
mircea_popescu also comes with built-in revenue model, "be in the L or else pay this much dust". [01:01]
phf we can add archive/logs/patches to a single lisp project, call it assetbook and we won't need any other internet anymore [01:01]
mircea_popescu will require that ancient "assbot bitcoin wallets" thing be dusted off, but hey, unavoidable anyway [01:01]
mircea_popescu strategically i'd rather have it a set of interoperating parts than a single monster monolith. [01:02]
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mircea_popescu in other middle east news, [01:06]
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BingoBoingo [01:12]
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mircea_popescu i lost interest once it went "Vagina" instead of "cunt" [01:15]
mircea_popescu lol nb. [01:18]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wasn't the fella who hosted the original unlucky dulap ? [01:20]
mircea_popescu nope. [01:20]
asciilifeform then why was my hostname . [01:20]
mircea_popescu well i suppose technically all russians are the same dude, but even so. [01:20]
mircea_popescu iirc we used the same dc in odessa. [01:20]
BingoBoingo [01:21]
asciilifeform ah. [01:21]
assbot Humans of Straya ... ( ) [01:21]
mircea_popescu and the server wasn't new, so prolly got his warm bed or something. [01:21]
asciilifeform that would explain. [01:21]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i read 4 words of this and barfed. [01:21]
asciilifeform can haz the gangrene back plox. [01:21]
mircea_popescu i think BingoBoingo might be bullying us. [01:22]
BingoBoingo Nah, I'm bullying the FBI log readers [01:22]
mircea_popescu but the thing IS fascinating. noticed it on okcupid back in the day, a small but present chunk of derps actually used group photos consisting of HOTTER WOMEN [01:22]
mircea_popescu i mean, leaving aside the inanity of posing with one's mother, this may be the most insane thing ever. [01:23]
mod6 jurov: nice work! [01:23]
mod6 i'll test that out tomorrow when i get a sec. [01:24]
mircea_popescu (incidentally, none of those 4 derps is fuckable. the tall blonde has the typical ustard chin, miserable fucking feature. the jew is short and jewish. the fat one obv and the midwestern "undiscovered beauty" is benning-level psychotic) [01:24]
asciilifeform ftr, they all look exactly the same to me. [01:25]
mircea_popescu fucking disjointed smile with defocused eyes omfg medicate her. [01:25]
asciilifeform like the 2 camels earlier. [01:25]
mircea_popescu camels were seen FROM BEHIND [01:25]
asciilifeform they have ~literally~ the same face. [01:25]
mircea_popescu omfg alf sees the world like a bee-dog : in black and white and all pixelated. [01:25]
phf past first paragraph is bogus, fat girls don't act like that in clubs, that's just an overactive imagination. what they actually do is pick up leftovers, or particularly drunk guys who were attracted by the group. it's literally a scavenger strategy, and being obnoxious will ensure that the girl is never again invited with her hotter friends. (they want to get fucked too, jeez) [01:25]
BingoBoingo lol [01:25]
asciilifeform kinda. [01:25]
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mircea_popescu phf actually that scavenger strategy is the larger part of why humans are still around. [01:27]
mircea_popescu women pick up the drunks and men pick up what the lions left off, whenever they could chase the hyenas away. [01:27]
mircea_popescu we're a scavenger species. [01:27]
mod6 qq: Can something be developed to help these guys with the corrupted databases when they get a hard-reboot?perhaps something similar to cutblock that will say lopp off the last blk####.dat file or something? is this worth looking into? [01:27]
mircea_popescu mod6 it is, but big chunk and scheduled for after this scheme thing is better digested. [01:28]
mircea_popescu at least in my fuzzmind. [01:28]
asciilifeform 'after the burial parties leave, and the baffled crows have fled, the wise hyenas come out at eve, to take account of our dead' (tm) (r) (kipling) [01:28]
phf i'm not at all hating, it's more of a "a plague on both your houses" reaction [01:28]
mod6 mircea_popescu: awesome. yeah, i agree we should do something there. that's super annoying that it happened to these guys. [01:28]
asciilifeform mod6: the only possible solution is a journalling fs. [01:28]
asciilifeform bitcoinfs. [01:28]
mircea_popescu that's not necessarily a solution. [01:29]
asciilifeform (ideally, running on top of a raid card with battery packs, like i have here) [01:29]
mircea_popescu for one thing, linux managed to implement journaling in such a way it barely works [01:29]
mod6 ok, so that's a possible whole replacement piece, sure. was just thinking is it worth possibly making a temporary tool for this until bitcoinfs? or just wait and do bitcoinfs. [01:29]
mod6 food for thought perhaps. [01:29]
mircea_popescu mod6 it's definitely possible ; ideally it'd come after a proper data model for the data. [01:29]
asciilifeform mod6: would have to replace bdb. [01:30]
mircea_popescu otherwise you'll end up with "need driven" data modelling, and god help you. [01:30]
mod6 aha. ok. [01:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform bdb should be taken out ftr. [01:30]
mircea_popescu iirc there's consensus on that matter. [01:30]
asciilifeform there is no possible dispute that it must die. [01:30]
asciilifeform only question is in ~what order~ the deps must go [01:31]
mod6 i'll have to go back and re-read some of our previous threads on the topics. [01:31]
BingoBoingo Is this more to alf taste? [01:31]
assbot Humans of Straya — Good morning welcome to Umptos, my name is... ... ( ) [01:31]
asciilifeform openssl, bdb, boost ? [01:31]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: nope. [01:31]
asciilifeform orc variant of same. [01:31]
mircea_popescu heh. what a tryptich [01:31]
mod6 i learn so many good words here. [01:32]
phf oh it's that chick that got sussman to sell his chips [01:32]
mircea_popescu lol [01:32]
asciilifeform ahahahahaha [01:32]
BingoBoingo !b 3 [01:32]
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mod6 i didn't know that's what you called those works of art. [01:33]
mircea_popescu >D [01:33]
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mod6 phf, asciilifeform: so you know whats weird? [01:35]
mod6 so in "foo.scm" i have defined a "square" procedure, but in (oblist), among everything else, its listed as: (square char-ci>=? cddddr expt) [01:35]
mod6 lol, no idea how that correlates yet, but that is indeed the actual stored defintion no? [01:36]
phf mod6: no, i think it's a side effect of the way oblist is constructed [01:36]
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mod6 oh [01:36]
phf probably some kind of tree structure for fast lookup [01:36]
mod6 alright. i was thinking with using scheme (like I was saying lastnight), we'll have to build some pretty extensive libs of procs of our own. which is probably better anyway... but, it'd be cool if this thing would tell you what you've already defined. [01:37]
mod6 or do we need to write a proc for that too? [01:37]
asciilifeform the thing is quite bare bones, and will need heavy work. [01:37]
asciilifeform and i picked this kind of scheme deliberately. [01:37]
asciilifeform would you rather read 50,000 lines of mit crapolade ? [01:38]
phf mod6: i have an OP for symbol-value, on top of which you can build a pretty decent "apropos" [01:38]
mod6 im actually glad for that. and personally, I don't even want to look at any other lisp really because other lisps seem to have a bunch more built-in functions that we'll basically not use. [01:38]
asciilifeform aha. [01:38]
mod6 phf: ah neat [01:38]
asciilifeform the word for what we want is - orthogonality. [01:38]
mircea_popescu ahh this insurection is coming along nicely. [01:38]
* mircea_popescu predicts that by the time he's dead, b-a will be bigger than fucking france. [01:39]
asciilifeform eh to be fair france is pretty small now and getting smaller [01:39]
mircea_popescu hey, i'm a modest man. [01:39]
asciilifeform will be pocket-sized soon [01:39]
mircea_popescu also, what do i care of the living. will go to the great prison in the sky, all the people there'll be impressed enough. "bigger than france ?! pasol nahui!" [01:40]
asciilifeform l0l [01:40]
mircea_popescu hehe [01:40]
asciilifeform put in latin letters it reads almost... aztec?! [01:41]
mircea_popescu aha [01:41]
asciilifeform the jaguar altar pyramid of pasol nahui. [01:41]
mircea_popescu pretty good. [01:41]
mod6 hah. [01:41]
BingoBoingo One last bullying before I bully Zygna [01:44]
assbot Humans of Straya ... ( ) [01:44]
mod6 She asked me if "snarffed" was a technical term, now I can point at this: [01:45]
mod6 Snarf: ``To grab, especially a large document or file for the purpose of using it either with or without the owner's permission.'' Snarf down: ``To snarf, sometimes with the connotation of absorbing, processing, or understanding.'' (These definitions were snarfed from Steele et al. 1983. See also Raymond 1993.) [01:45]
mod6 win [01:45]
asciilifeform one day i would like to learn how esr stole 'hacker's dictionary' [01:46]
mircea_popescu get a copy, put it online. [01:46]
mircea_popescu what else ? [01:46]
asciilifeform but i suspect that the story is not meaningfully different from how drepper stole libc [01:46]
mircea_popescu quite. [01:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mno, he became 'official' curator, and added a multitude of crackpot entries from own head [01:47]
BingoBoingo ESR stole it by putting it on just just in time for Google to be birthed [01:47]
mircea_popescu "official" [01:47]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: he published it in dead tree [01:47]
mircea_popescu getouttahere. [01:47]
asciilifeform i have this edition here, even. [01:47]
mircea_popescu so ? [01:47]
mircea_popescu this incidentally is how that dude stole lisp [01:47]
mircea_popescu what's his face. [01:47]
asciilifeform so not much. [01:47]
mircea_popescu "published the book first" [01:47]
mod6 I think they used to teach this SICP directly as the first programming class at UofM - used it as a weed-out course. [01:47]
mod6 friend of mine only ever talked about "cons-boxes" for about 2 months. [01:48]
mircea_popescu lol [01:48]
asciilifeform l0l! did they also talk for months about magnetic field lines after taking intro physics / [01:49]
asciilifeform ? [01:49]
asciilifeform would make as much sense. [01:49]
mod6 haha. probably. [01:50]
mod6 shit that was seventeen years ago. [01:50]
mod6 ermahgerd [01:50]
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danielpbarron >> I told him that a child in Africa dies every 3 seconds. He was surprised at that. He said "I know black people have rhythm, but that is some amazing timing, you guys should try out for X-Factor". [01:54]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [01:54]
danielpbarron deedbot- feeds add [01:58]
assbot Brave The World ... ( ) [01:58]
mod6 is that going to drop every tweet into a deed? [01:59]
danielpbarron it's a blog [02:00]
danielpbarron deedbot-: feeds add [02:00]
mod6 oh nm, ya, blog. [02:00]
assbot Brave The World ... ( ) [02:00]
mod6 thought that was her twitter feed haha [02:00]
danielpbarron hm.. idk why that won't work. that's how trinque added all the others [02:00]
mod6 maybe he whitelists 'em? [02:01]
danielpbarron deedbot-: feeds add [02:02]
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danielpbarron ;;later tell trinque please to add this feed ^^ I think it only works for you [02:03]
gribble The operation succeeded. [02:03]
mod6 is there such a thing as adhd in china? if a kid just wont do stuff or doesn't pay attention they just hit you with a stick no? [02:05]
mod6 or wherever. [02:05]
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BingoBoingo mod6: Nah, Tiger mom makes sure the kid develops the asps instead [02:21]
deedbot- [Qntra] Hemorrhaging Zygna Seeks Bezzle Buck Bolus From HQ Sale - [02:21]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron im pretty sure it only takes that command from him ; also prolly best give her some time to get better wot-integrated - the few times we let marginals in the feed it worked out poorly in the end. [02:27]
mircea_popescu o look, sept 2015 item by... amir taaki ? srsly ? [02:28]
mircea_popescu gimme a break. [02:28]
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danielpbarron hm, ok [02:43]
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deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Don’t jump (here)! - [03:21]
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BingoBoingo !t m x.eur [03:49]
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punkman god morgen [05:31]
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deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - [05:43]
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punkman "mircea_popescu: however a lot of leeway is available re shitty sites. i honestly couldn't care less what "functionality" is lost through js being discarded out of hand, for instance. << (as a browsing tool) seems useless without javascript, might as well render the page in lynx/dilla/modern browser with js disabled. [05:56]
punkman the cool part is that it handles a lot of crap gracefully, kills stupid overlays over content, it goes behind paywalls, etc. [05:58]
punkman and the guy doesn't seem keen to publish any of that [05:58]
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punkman (sidenote for anyone looking at phantomjs: it sucks balls and uses QtWebkit, and QtWebkit is kinda deprecated because Qt moved to QtWebEngine which uses chromium) [06:11]
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punkman [07:14]
assbot No patent if invention lies only in computer program, says Indian Patent Office | Business Standard News ... ( ) [07:14]
punkman in other boston dynamics news [07:17]
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punkman late delivery of BFL lulz: "At one point, an FTC attorney carried into court a foam pitchfork that was stamped with the phrases “Y U NO SHIP!” and “BFL is late!” The agency said the pitchfork and similar foam torches were found at Butterfly Labs and mocked its customers’ complaints." [08:10]
punkman "The FTC provided a copy of an originally sealed document that outlined the spending it said was cause for concern. It said Butterfly Labs’ funds had been spent at stores “including Nordstrom, Bed, Bath, & Beyond, Restoration Hardware, and Hobby Lobby” as well as for “massages, auto maintenance, day care services, gun stores, hunting stores and sporting event tickets.”" [08:11]
punkman (from and ) [08:12]
assbot FTC moved quietly against Butterfly Labs to avoid tipping off bitcoin operation | The Kansas City Star ... ( ) [08:12]
assbot Bitcoin business Butterfly Labs, shut down as ‘bogus,’ settles charges for $15,000 | The Kansas City Star ... ( ) [08:12]
punkman "We went to court without notifying the other party … because we were concerned about a dissipation of assets,” said Malini Mithal, assistant director of the FTC’s division of financial practices. “We were worried about seeing corporate funds go to Nordstrom, Bed Bath & Beyond, gun stores and things like that." [08:13]
punkman in other mining news [08:25]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla could we has added ? assigned to [08:32]
* mircea_popescu checks, the thing already exists. o ty kako for your godspeed! [08:32]
mircea_popescu punkman well, the cool part depending for whom doing what. i have no objection, all that sugar&spice is nice to have, but i don't think it mandatory, myself. the main utility is creating a copy of a resource (as in url) that is outside of the control of its original author. i'm more than happy if that is provided in the first place and the rest of the swag on a best-effort basis. [08:38]
mircea_popescu Malini Mithal << at first sight one thinks what the indian supreme court thinks about patents is irrelevant to the us. at second sight one tries to recall a usg lawyer that's not indian and chuckles to himself. [08:40]
punkman (from BW group) [08:46]
assbot Bitbank-比特币理财首选 ... ( ) [08:46]
mircea_popescu 160W/Thash ? [08:49]
mircea_popescu ;;nethash [08:49]
gribble 1068963881.57 [08:49]
mircea_popescu mwahaha [08:49]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 160 * 1068 [08:49]
gribble 170880 [08:49]
mircea_popescu 170kW farm, double the nethash. just as rewards halve. should be fun, if they actually got the chips. [08:50]
punkman it's not 1068 terrahash [08:50]
mircea_popescu wasn't it given in mh ? [08:50]
punkman 1068 petahash [08:50]
mircea_popescu aww. [08:50]
punkman also saw a mention of antminer at 250w for around 4 terrahash [08:51]
punkman bitbet suggestion: 2exahash by February 2017 [08:52]
mircea_popescu warm summer. [08:52]
mircea_popescu you can make it ya kno. [08:52]
punkman might do [08:53]
punkman or is 2exa too low? [08:53]
mircea_popescu i think 1 year may be too long. maybe go by 3 months sorta thing [08:58]
mircea_popescu or "by reward halving" or somesuch [08:59]
punkman ;;halfreward [08:59]
gribble Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Jul 13 13:26:42 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 20 weeks, 0 days, 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds. [08:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00057656 = 5.4197 BTC [+] {2} [08:59]
punkman the halving complicates things [09:00]
punkman [09:03]
assbot ... ( ) [09:03]
mircea_popescu lol how you know genuine chinese - preoccupied with phone as proxy. [09:04]
mircea_popescu sorta like poles in the 90s and cars. [09:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3409 @ 0.00056991 = 1.9428 BTC [-] {3} [09:18]
mircea_popescu << that's a new one. [09:49]
assbot BitBet - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match :: 36.26 B (51%) on Yes, 34.65 B (49%) on No | closing in 1 week 6 days | weight: 52`229 (100`000 to 1) ... ( ) [09:49]
mircea_popescu really, ibm cheated with deep blue ? [09:49]
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asciilifeform << i did warn! that the thing is a point of failure [10:01]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 08:55:55; punkman: the cool part is that it handles a lot of crap gracefully, kills stupid overlays over content, it goes behind paywalls, etc. [10:01]
asciilifeform author is not in wot, who knows if there are backups - and where, etc [10:01]
asciilifeform btw if replacement includes deedbot, it cannot be publicly operable or gets ddosed and depleted. [10:02]
asciilifeform (picture a public www that spends coin when you load it!) [10:02]
mircea_popescu how would replacement "include deedbot" ? [10:04]
asciilifeform this hypothetical replacement may be one of those thngs, like the tmsr warez server, that must live behind 'g' or the like. [10:05]
mircea_popescu but what do you mean ? [10:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: somebody suggested earlier that it ought to deedbot cached pages [10:05]
mircea_popescu i did. [10:05]
asciilifeform aha! [10:05]
mircea_popescu but mebbe you overlooked the part where to initiate a caching, one has to either be in the L or pay. [10:06]
asciilifeform but ~how~ this works? [10:06]
mircea_popescu by having [hopefully as an extension of assbot] a payment interface in chan. [10:06]
mircea_popescu then whoever wants to be paid goes !bill asciilifeform 10.56546 "had a nice time last night honey" [10:06]
asciilifeform neato, ought to work at least until the fleanodeocalypse. [10:07]
mircea_popescu and whoever wants to pay goes !pay mircea_popescu bill or !pay mircea_popescu 7.5555 "not bad but not really worth 10fiddy, ho!" [10:07]
mircea_popescu and of course !bills returns you a list of stored bills. [10:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00056887 = 3.6977 BTC [-] [10:07]
mircea_popescu and more details, but anyways. [10:07]
asciilifeform i would also suggest that L folks be able to download compressed shitball of backup. [10:08]
mircea_popescu surely. [10:08]
mircea_popescu keyed to their key. [10:09]
asciilifeform aha. [10:09]
mircea_popescu all sorts of "problems" are really non-problems once tmsr principles are applied. [10:09]
asciilifeform quite! [10:09]
mircea_popescu to think imbecile anglos spent 50 years in "computing" huddling walls and trying to be all flower-power. [10:10]
mircea_popescu bitcoin should have been implemented as a solution to pdp timesharing problems. [10:10]
asciilifeform perhaps unrelatedly, yesterday i saw such egregious notational abuse (at big maths conference) that i felt my mircea_popescu fangs emerging, and wolf ears [10:10]
mircea_popescu lol [10:11]
asciilifeform suddenly it all made sense [10:11]
mircea_popescu i'm like lead. every fancy radioactive compound eventually decays into me. [10:11]
asciilifeform i dreamed of confining the perpetrators somehow and depriving'em of all squigglies and arrows [10:12]
asciilifeform they really did use notation to mask the often nonexisting point of the message. [10:13]
mircea_popescu allthetime.gif [10:13]
asciilifeform but to me this is an argument for taking tools away from derps [10:14]
asciilifeform rather than sending ~all~ to the stone age. [10:15]
asciilifeform hence why i bring it up now. [10:15]
mircea_popescu first off - separate what is tool and what is caduceus. [10:15]
mircea_popescu THEN, take tools away from derps and caducei away from everyone. [10:16]
asciilifeform yes! [10:16]
mircea_popescu and absent a better idea, my concept that you can't possibily have more than 255-27-10 actual tools seems quite meritous. [10:17]
mircea_popescu just how fucking many tools are there. [10:17]
asciilifeform again, where do i find matrix bracket in the 255 [10:17]
mircea_popescu map it whatever way you will. [10:17]
mircea_popescu all i care about is that there's a specified maximum DEFINITIVE count of symbols, [10:18]
asciilifeform or subscript/superscript [10:18]
mircea_popescu i'd prefer it be a word, but can live with dword. i CAN NOT live with "extensible symbol space". [10:18]
mircea_popescu and i don't think you're that smart, either. [10:18]
asciilifeform the problem with the derps is NOT that they make up new symbols. [10:18]
mircea_popescu yesitis. [10:18]
asciilifeform well sometimes [10:19]
mircea_popescu this is the DEFINITION of derpage. to quote from relevant article : [10:19]
asciilifeform but i saw none that day [10:19]
asciilifeform most are too lazy [10:19]
mircea_popescu [10:19]
assbot Hai sa studiem gramatica impreuna on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [10:19]
asciilifeform the problem is abuse of symbols to hide claptrap behind. [10:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46300 @ 0.00057529 = 26.6359 BTC [+] {5} [10:20]
mircea_popescu original topic is romanian "grammar scholars" who aren't fit to shine boots, and completely ignore anything whatsoever in the discipline in favour of doing some inanity. [10:20]
asciilifeform incidentally the 'pomos' manage this with strictly latin alphabet ! [10:20]
mircea_popescu but the point stands : derpage is when you come up with new symbols or "new" readings (ie, wrong readings) of pre-existing symbols. [10:20]
mircea_popescu that is what it is. [10:20]
mircea_popescu and fucking note that medicine used WORDS to denote its array of datapoints. not fucking hieroglyphics. [10:20]
asciilifeform they mostly do the latter. [10:21]
asciilifeform new readings. [10:21]
mircea_popescu sure. [10:21]
mircea_popescu necessarily, it's cheaper. [10:21]
mircea_popescu but you're right, pomos do use the medical style (in no small part due to the original idiots', lacan et all, vague fascination with that particular citadel forbidden to them by their own ineptitude - [10:22]
asciilifeform but my point is, they don't necessarily need to take a shit on graphical symbols, when they lack these, they shit on words. [10:22]
asciilifeform it is the shit-spreaders that is the problem. not he victim symbols. [10:22]
mircea_popescu their equivalents in a previous century were using the "magic stones" to read "reformed egyptian". and there is EXACTLY no difference between john smith the mormon and lacan the postmodernist. they're EXACTLY the same "ideal american" [10:22]
asciilifeform *the [10:22]
asciilifeform aha. [10:23]
asciilifeform lulzily very few were americans [10:23]
mircea_popescu nevertheless. i need unextensible symbol set for very good reason : you can't have static compilation without it. [10:23]
mircea_popescu you understand ? all european literacy is based on the concept of fixed forever symbols, so printing press may exist. [10:23]
asciilifeform mostly foreign folk faithfully emulating american custom [10:23]
asciilifeform like preet. [10:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, THEY were the americans. everyone else's just scum the wind blew in./ [10:24]
mircea_popescu america is a country of john smith and carnegey and marx and lacan. [10:24]
mircea_popescu preet is the american, obama is the american. not fucking kerry. [10:24]
asciilifeform marx?! [10:24]
mircea_popescu kerry is just some derp lost in there. [10:24]
mircea_popescu yeah, marx. [10:24]
asciilifeform how does this work [10:25]
mircea_popescu just like lenin is the definitive soviet tho he didn't actually live there significantly, marx is the definitive american, tho he didn't even speak the "official" language. he spoke german, the unofficial one. [10:25]
asciilifeform sorta like wagner is ~the~ nazi composer [10:26]
asciilifeform . [10:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform> how does this work << because what is your definition of nationality ? byron is french, definitely. [10:26]
asciilifeform what am i then, l0l [10:26]
mircea_popescu you're not dead yet, [10:26]
mircea_popescu that's what you are. [10:26]
asciilifeform hm. [10:27]
asciilifeform gotta croak before can haz nationality? [10:27]
mircea_popescu yeah. [10:27]
asciilifeform i can see it. [10:27]
mircea_popescu before that, you're just aspiring. what nationality you're aspiring to be entirely your problem, [10:27]
mircea_popescu but the people dead on the battlements are dead for the dead, not dead for the living. [10:28]
mircea_popescu who the everfuck cares abvout the fucking living. [10:28]
mircea_popescu you can make more of those RIGHT NOW [10:28]
asciilifeform aha! go and try to make an ancient greek ! [10:28]
mircea_popescu go, make some dead worth the mention. if california fell into the sea today, what'd be remembered ? [10:28]
asciilifeform ^ [10:28]
mircea_popescu the "horrible" wtc attack, who did it kill ? [10:28]
mircea_popescu NOBODY ? [10:29]
asciilifeform afaik. [10:29]
mircea_popescu an empty country. [10:29]
asciilifeform << interestingly, no first reaction was 'ugh, idiot lumpen scum, blew loot at retail!?' [10:31]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 11:09:02; punkman: "The FTC provided a copy of an originally sealed document that outlined the spending it said was cause for concern. It said Butterfly Labs’ funds had been spent at stores “including Nordstrom, Bed, Bath, & Beyond, Restoration Hardware, and Hobby Lobby” as well as for “massages, auto maintenance, day care services, gun stores, hunting stores and sporting event tickets.”" [10:31]
asciilifeform *my first reaction [10:31]
mircea_popescu very typical "real men" sorta operation. [10:32]
asciilifeform revolting. [10:32]
asciilifeform what happened to good old btc plunder. [10:32]
mircea_popescu kinda what drove the entire giuliani revolt, briefly backj when the us still thought it may turn around. [10:32]
mircea_popescu you deeply disunderstand the mob. it has no higher purpose. it's just people trying to find an alt-path to consumerism. [10:33]
asciilifeform massages?! [10:33]
mircea_popescu "what else can a guy like me without college do" [10:33]
asciilifeform day care?! [10:33]
mircea_popescu well ? why not ? [10:33]
mircea_popescu unlike the vory, they can get married. and so they do. [10:33]
asciilifeform mindblowing [10:33]
mircea_popescu like the vory, they don't know how to pick women. and so they don't. [10:33]
mircea_popescu etc. [10:33]
asciilifeform i always saw the mob as a very positive, higherpurpose thing, in the strict sense of keeping lizards out of a small but strong bubble of sovereignty [10:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00057553 = 10.9926 BTC [+] [10:36]
asciilifeform where the mob is - motherfucking rothchild, and harvard, are not [10:36]
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mircea_popescu kik [10:37]
asciilifeform i take off my hat to anyone who can muzzle a rothchild . [10:37]
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asciilifeform or exclude harvardistas [10:38]
mircea_popescu i can't think of a time this was the case, in either the old country or the america. [10:38]
asciilifeform 40s? [10:39]
mircea_popescu generally, mobster's hope and aspiration is for kids to join whatever $harvard locally and become "accepted by society" [10:39]
mircea_popescu nah. [10:39]
asciilifeform but mircea_popescu is right, and this is a disease suffered by nearly all orcs. [10:39]
mircea_popescu it really is, and throughout its ~4 century history started sometime during attempts to liquidate the strong feudalism leftover in sicily and other march lands, always was an "alt-path to bourgeoisie" [10:40]
asciilifeform i, for instance, was an incurable disappointment to my parents [10:40]
asciilifeform because did not become 'respectable' (tm) [10:40]
mircea_popescu ha. [10:40]
asciilifeform it is a very peculiarly orcish-emigre disease. [10:41]
asciilifeform << ya think mining is countereconomic and leans usgtronically ~now~ ! wait till reward is epsilon. [10:43]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 11:47:29; mircea_popescu: 170kW farm, double the nethash. just as rewards halve. should be fun, if they actually got the chips. [10:43]
asciilifeform miningisabug. [10:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48650 @ 0.00056833 = 27.6493 BTC [-] {2} [10:44]
asciilifeform << luke-jr is in chna?! [10:45]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 12:00:46; punkman: [10:45]
asciilifeform << the sign of very poor orc country. e.g., nobody in usa thinks phone is 'status', for a decade now. [10:46]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 12:02:18; mircea_popescu: lol how you know genuine chinese - preoccupied with phone as proxy. [10:46]
asciilifeform << this is a very common view, on account of that ibm is known to have adjusted the proggy between games,and had a staff of chess-literate folk fiddling with it. [10:47]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 12:47:11; mircea_popescu: really, ibm cheated with deep blue ? [10:47]
asciilifeform so the proggy was not a frozen thing [10:47]
asciilifeform but arguably had meat component. [10:48]
asciilifeform this pissed off kasparov, yes. [10:48]
asciilifeform (i often wonder if his loss helped to drive him into the nato meatpuppetry for which he is now famous in ru world) [10:49]
asciilifeform fortunately, there is very little meat can do for the go prog [10:50]
asciilifeform (massive 'commitees' of high-ranking amateurs are routinely beaten to a pulp by a single pro player, in collective games) [10:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35595 @ 0.00057654 = 20.5219 BTC [+] {4} [10:52]
asciilifeform go does not 'crowdsource'. demonstrably. [10:52]
asciilifeform one of the many reasons i see it as a noble game. [10:53]
asciilifeform << zynga [10:54]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 05:19:12; deedbot-: [Qntra] Hemorrhaging Zygna Seeks Bezzle Buck Bolus From HQ Sale - [10:54]
asciilifeform this is disgraceful. [10:54]
* asciilifeform bbl. [10:57]
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jurov kek dat log, again. good mircea_popescu is not trying to pin down ip address of, as it has bunch of IP that constantly change [11:07]
jurov however, i have no problem to cut hole in the firewall directly to the server for wot members if asked [11:08]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28216 @ 0.000572 = 16.1396 BTC [-] {2} [11:43]
jurov i doubt it is possible to run service like on trb debt, i tried to imagine it.. needs both bandwidth and ongoing maintenance (cuz gotta keep up with webdev shit) [11:44]
jurov oh it's supposed to get paid via assbot. aok. [12:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101167 @ 0.0005668 = 57.3415 BTC [-] {4} [12:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00056919 = 11.9814 BTC [+] [12:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33836 @ 0.00056704 = 19.1864 BTC [-] {3} [12:56]
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asciilifeform << same is true of my www. [13:03]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 14:04:42; jurov: kek dat log, again. good mircea_popescu is not trying to pin down ip address of, as it has bunch of IP that constantly change [13:03]
punkman can you put multiple IPs in etc/hosts so it round-robins? [13:04]
asciilifeform apparently not [13:05]
asciilifeform seems like you end up having to run own dns server, to do this. [13:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00057262 = 17.7512 BTC [+] {2} [13:05]
asciilifeform because the WHOLE THING is braindamaged [13:06]
asciilifeform not just the one particular aspect mircea_popescu locked onto [13:06]
asciilifeform hosts file will stop at the first match. [13:07]
asciilifeform at least on my boxes. [13:07]
punkman any tiny dns resolvers one could use for this? [13:07]
punkman maybe [13:07]
assbot ... ( ) [13:07]
asciilifeform sure [13:07]
asciilifeform but this no longer solves the problem mircea_popescuistically. [13:08]
asciilifeform (that is, by thermonuking ALL dns invocations) [13:08]
asciilifeform ;;isup [13:10]
gribble is up [13:10]
asciilifeform hm [13:10]
asciilifeform dead here. [13:10]
jurov here, too [13:11]
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asciilifeform dead from all of my modems. [13:11]
jurov what if we v-ify our host records? but each independently to watch mircea trying to curate and put together most recent version and swearing loudly? [13:12]
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asciilifeform jurov: every day ? [13:12]
jurov every day!!!11 [13:12]
asciilifeform so i wanted to link to mircea_popescu's article about dns, and the hypothetical demented gf who punctures the water pipes [13:13]
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asciilifeform because we're at the stage where we beat her up, and expelled the madwoman, but now still have no pipes. [13:13]
asciilifeform and stuck carrying buckets. [13:13]
asciilifeform and the buckets - leak. [13:13]
asciilifeform and it is not clear that the carpet is any dryer than before. [13:13]
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asciilifeform see also . [13:20]
assbot Logged on 04-09-2015 14:42:04; asciilifeform: usg 'expellas furca, tamen usque recurret' (tm) [13:20]
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asciilifeform in unrelated, [13:22]
asciilifeform [13:22]
asciilifeform 'A Computational Introduction to Number Theory [13:23]
asciilifeform and Algebra' (V. Shoup) [13:23]
asciilifeform of cramer-shoup. [13:23]
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trinque asciilifeform | dead from all of my modems. << here, worx [13:41]
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asciilifeform trinque: and now here. [13:44]
asciilifeform i suppose they had to take an hour off to change the nsa tap. [13:44]
asciilifeform (do they still write to magnetic wire cassette?!) [13:45]
asciilifeform i demand a MODERN nsa tap !1111 on my line! [13:45]
asciilifeform what is this crapolade. [13:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31750 @ 0.00056388 = 17.9032 BTC [-] {2} [13:46]
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asciilifeform !up thestringpuller [13:49]
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jurov you post ub3rs3cr3t stuff to trilema? [13:56]
jurov to warrant antifuse rom wiretap? [13:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00056592 = 13.8084 BTC [+] [13:59]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu [14:02]
gribble The operation succeeded. [14:02]
assbot ... ( ) [14:02]
asciilifeform jurov: i have nfi, but it is insulting to sit on a medieval stake while others sizzle in spiffy modern electric chairs. [14:03]
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BingoBoingo really, ibm cheated with deep blue ? << Probable in the second Kasparov match, the one Blue won [15:08]
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punkman lol [15:53]
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asciilifeform << from punkman's link [15:56]
asciilifeform mega-l0l [15:56]
assbot KYC-Chain | Enhanced KYC on Blockchain Technology ... ( ) [15:56]
asciilifeform << 'anti-sybil token' >> link leads to linkfarm/malware. [15:57]
assbot ... ( ) [15:57]
punkman such innovations [15:58]
asciilifeform i can sit here and laugh, but it remains, buterin is rich, while i am poor. [16:00]
asciilifeform crime - pays. [16:00]
asciilifeform (and yes, he probably isn't 'can send money to isis'-rich, but is 'not having to work' rich, surely.) [16:01]
trinque and he will die at the end like every other person [16:02]
asciilifeform everything dies. [16:02]
asciilifeform this is uninteresting. [16:02]
trinque it's entirely relevant [16:02]
asciilifeform how? [16:03]
trinque one moment, phone has rung [16:04]
asciilifeform buddhist-flavoured claptrap doesn't work on me, don't even try. [16:06]
asciilifeform 'never mind that someone is shoving hot coals up your arse, just remember, everybody dies someday!11' [16:06]
asciilifeform 'why fight hitler, krishna will judge him' [16:08]
asciilifeform fuck that. [16:08]
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asciilifeform with hot poker. [16:08]
trinque not that at all. [16:10]
trinque on his deathbed he has to be him; you have to be you [16:10]
trinque who gives a shit what he had in his life? [16:10]
asciilifeform still claptrap. [16:10]
trinque so, suffer. [16:10]
trinque lol [16:10]
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asciilifeform at least it doesn't cost anything yet! [16:11]
punkman doesn't it cost 90% of salary? [16:11]
asciilifeform punkman: 200%. [16:12]
asciilifeform trinque: not entirely unrelatedly, you were, iirc, from oregon ? [16:12]
trinque from texas, spent a good amount of time in oregon [16:12]
asciilifeform i met a man yesterday who now lives there, and hates it, 'rains all the time, like this' (points outside at swamp) [16:12]
asciilifeform ah [16:12]
trinque when its sunny there, (what, 3-4mos/yr?) it's lovely [16:13]
trinque otherwise very depressing [16:13]
asciilifeform is there fog ? can it substitute for london ? [16:14]
trinque can be quite foggy, yes [16:14]
trinque meanwhile texas is the surface of the sun for 5-6mos/yr [16:14]
asciilifeform but i can hardly picture a more depressing place than dc [16:14]
asciilifeform it is almost like the world of the film 'dark city.' [16:15]
trinque it at least lacks the feeling of living directly under the eye of sauron [16:15]
asciilifeform the eye of sauron is omnipresent. [16:15]
trinque actually, there is a rather imposing federal building in downtown Portland [16:15]
trinque federal courthouse I think, with a platform atop for human sacrifice, I can only assume [16:16]
asciilifeform ever seen the fbi headquarters in dc ? [16:16]
trinque haven't [16:16]
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asciilifeform << thread [16:17]
assbot Logged on 21-09-2014 05:33:42; asciilifeform:,FzMqMR9,NP0uzz5,IFSX1eE,HNMQjdq,bCs3u7l,pn5XiLa,nboYysE,ZOibTdz,2LXc9IW [16:17]
asciilifeform when i think of the word 'totalitarian', i think of that place. [16:18]
trinque I can see it [16:24]
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trinque << the portland one looks to my eyes more of "look how much of your money we spent on this wankery" [16:25]
assbot ... ( ) [16:25]
phf it's like the style for building gov buildings these days, md district court few blocks away [16:30]
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BingoBoingo St Louis too has the thing where Federal building with werkers is short, squat yet Federal Court has grand tower of oppreshun [16:32]
asciilifeform phf: aha, seen that court many times [16:33]
mircea_popescu << aha. lol. [16:33]
BingoBoingo [16:33]
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assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 13:49:05; asciilifeform: (massive 'commitees' of high-ranking amateurs are routinely beaten to a pulp by a single pro player, in collective games) [16:33]
mircea_popescu << and i have no problem listing a bunch of them [16:35]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 14:06:06; jurov: however, i have no problem to cut hole in the firewall directly to the server for wot members if asked [16:35]
mircea_popescu << dnsmasq works just fine, yes. [16:35]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 16:05:09; punkman: maybe [16:35]
asciilifeform hm i guess iptables does nothing to loopback (local connections within same machine) [16:37]
BingoBoingo lulz of lulz! [16:37]
assbot 「魚池」BTC:270 Phash/s - LTC:500 Ghash/s - New Server in U.S. ... ( ) [16:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you can set it to. [16:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: set what [16:38]
mircea_popescu iptables to mangle loopback. [16:38]
asciilifeform nope. [16:38]
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mircea_popescu don';t be silly! [16:39]
mircea_popescu -A INPUT -i lo [16:39]
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mircea_popescu i guess this bettor lives in palo alto. [16:40]
asciilifeform can i block port P on loopback ? [16:40]
mircea_popescu should, yes. [16:41]
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mircea_popescu << fixed meanwhile ? or still ? [16:43]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 16:08:40; jurov: here, too [16:43]
jurov fixed! [16:44]
mircea_popescu << if you recall, this was actually discussed in teh logs, re "how g works" [16:44]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 16:09:41; jurov: what if we v-ify our host records? but each independently to watch mircea trying to curate and put together most recent version and swearing loudly? [16:44]
mircea_popescu thread with copypaste re proper chan software. [16:44]
asciilifeform speaking of g, when does the block cipher contest formally close ? [16:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform when we've had enough ? [16:45]
asciilifeform any signs of life whatsoever ? [16:45]
mircea_popescu nope. exactly power law of derpage : buncha noise 1st day, 1/2 noise next, 1/4 noise next, epsilon thereafter. [16:46]
mircea_popescu nothing worth the mention throughout. [16:46]
mircea_popescu i might as well hold painting contests for a jar of fruit flies. [16:46]
asciilifeform mega-unsurprise. [16:47]
asciilifeform see also today's pgpgram. [16:47]
BingoBoingo In other news today notorious Apple Shill Rush Limbaugh is giving away iPad "Pros" on his radio program. [16:47]
BingoBoingo Further other news from the zoo [16:48]
assbot Bitcoin Core 0.12 full initial sync: results and analysis ... ( ) [16:48]
BingoBoingo "Since these "dead spots" can be attributed neither to hardware nor the network, they must be the result of something sub-optimal in the software." [16:49]
asciilifeform 'During the last 10% of the blockchain sync, both the WAIT column of "top" and the furious clicking of disk heads revealed that disk activity was becoming a quite obvious bottleneck, leading to the CPU going idle for longer and longer periods.' [16:49]
asciilifeform this is not a prb-specific thing. [16:49]
asciilifeform it applies just as well to us. [16:49]
asciilifeform it comes from organized shit-tx ddos. [16:49]
asciilifeform 'Another curious pattern that emerged during the later stage of the sync process were long delays (4-5 min) during which data was still coming in through the network at a high rate but both disk and CPU were relatively idle and little or no chain updating was occurring. ' << blackhole. [16:50]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: the contest, i can speak only for myself, but i've had enough. wake me up when you've also had enough. [16:52]
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mircea_popescu well lessee here, one of mod6 ben_vulpes give an opinion on this ? [16:52]
mircea_popescu do i need to enum. the case or are you up to date ? [16:52]
asciilifeform i recommend enumming for the record [16:53]
asciilifeform !s block cipher [16:53]
assbot 76 results for 'block cipher' : [16:53]
asciilifeform ^ mostly in there [16:53]
phf you get disk thrash or network thrash or both. that graph i posted some time ago shows that nuking orphanage kills disk thrash, but increases network thrash. our step one has so far been removal of disk thrash, i.e. nuke orphanage, nuke mempool. step 2 presumably is nuking network thrash by relying more on trusted peers. that still doesn't solve the problem of talking to net at large [16:57]
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mircea_popescu phf what is "the net at large" ? [17:00]
phf miners, all those people who put bets on bitbet, agora buyers/sellers [17:03]
mircea_popescu you don't take my meaning. [17:04]
mircea_popescu what is "russians" ? where do i meet them ? [17:04]
mircea_popescu if i go to moscow all i see is individual blokes, who is THE RUSSIANS guy ? [17:04]
mircea_popescu i'm not buying into the collectivist mindset. there is no "the network at large", "the country", blabla, evnetually for some niggled in special garb to rule over. [17:05]
asciilifeform well there is 'the outside of the wot' [17:05]
asciilifeform which is presently where blocks come from. [17:05]
asciilifeform it is an aggregate, much like 'outer space' [17:06]
trinque I can see the counterpoint. [17:06]
trinque if you connected to him, he's in your wot [17:06]
asciilifeform mno. [17:06]
trinque who he connects to is his problem [17:06]
trinque maybe you connect to trinque's trans-netherworld sewer system that talks to both sides [17:07]
asciilifeform trinque: however you try to dance around the problem, must come to terms with the fact that ~some~ trb nodes must talk to the heathens ~some~ of the time, or NO BLOCKS [17:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the romanian word to denote the relationship between two men fucking the same woman is "sogor" [17:08]
mircea_popescu you know ? [17:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we have 'milk brothers' [17:08]
mircea_popescu point being, this is the only relation people are usually unaware of. [17:08]
asciilifeform (originally 2 ~sucking~ same woman.) [17:08]
mircea_popescu so lots of party jokes, "hey man, spot your milk brothers ?" [17:09]
asciilifeform not the only relation. i once knew two dudes who discovered that they were sharing a toothbrush for most of a year. [17:09]
asciilifeform (they lived in a uni dorm) [17:09]
mircea_popescu so there is no "the network". just people you don't know your friends are fucking. [17:10]
asciilifeform but it is a mass in the sense of outer space. [17:10]
mircea_popescu only afayk [17:10]
asciilifeform and in the sense that it largely consists of prb users. [17:10]
asciilifeform (as far as i can tell) [17:10]
mircea_popescu notrly. [17:10]
mircea_popescu this is like saying "all americans are poor, everyone i see in grand central station is wearing shitty cloth shoes and a cheap tshirt" [17:11]
asciilifeform it is not especially hard to obtain evidence that other kinds exist [17:12]
asciilifeform but where is this for nodez ? [17:12]
mircea_popescu nodes are a peculiar case. [17:12]
mircea_popescu "all american women are blonde because that's what i see on tv anchors" [17:12]
asciilifeform so far the only 'alt-trb' for which i have any evidence whatsoever of its existence is mircea_popescu's thing [17:14]
asciilifeform this does not prove absence, no [17:15]
mircea_popescu no, actually you know for a fact 95% of miners were not running prb back last year, because of the fork thing. [17:15]
mircea_popescu wilful ignoring evidence is problematic you know. [17:15]
asciilifeform they were not running ~latest prb~ aha [17:15]
mircea_popescu mno. [17:15]
asciilifeform for all i know they were running prb with ~one line~ patched. [17:15]
mircea_popescu for all you know engineering assumptions aren't to be made this way. [17:15]
asciilifeform all i can say is that i have nfi. but i have no evidence that anyone other than mircea_popescu and trb folks did any serious re-engineering re: the client. [17:16]
asciilifeform (diddling a version number is not reengineering, nor the der encoding thing) [17:16]
mircea_popescu perhaps. but this really wasn't the thesis. you do know that ~nobody is running prb, and this has been in ample evidence historically throughout. [17:16]
asciilifeform as far as i can tell, they are running very lightly-modified old prb. [17:17]
mircea_popescu if you're particularly inclined to act as a propaganda agent for prb, you may make that wholly unsubstantiated, ridiculous claim. [17:17]
mircea_popescu i guess it's your priviledge to do so. [17:17]
asciilifeform (am i terminologically addled, or do i misunderstand what is prb) [17:17]
mircea_popescu hey, we also "cant prove" putin fucks obama in the ass. [17:18]
asciilifeform is 0.5.3 prb ? [17:18]
asciilifeform when does prb begin ? [17:18]
mircea_popescu i dunno that the question was ever settled, or seriously considered. but it'd be expected prb begins with the famous "you are like power rtangers" nonsense, during the original hearn-induced fork. [17:19]
asciilifeform then i take it back, and mircea_popescu has it [17:19]
asciilifeform no miner, afaik, used prb. [17:19]
asciilifeform (i've been using the term to refer to all heathen bitcoin clients, at least those descended from s's original) [17:20]
mircea_popescu kinda what i've been saying. it makes little sense to call say, original bitcoin as per satoshi release prb. [17:20]
mircea_popescu also makes little sense to use the term re bitcoinj, whatever its shortcomings. [17:21]
asciilifeform items such as keeping bastard blocks/tx around don't count as 'rangery' ? [17:21]
mircea_popescu well no, not all error/failure/stupidity is THIS PARTICULAR one. [17:21]
asciilifeform not automatically, aha [17:21]
asciilifeform but it always seemed to me like many of the prb idiocies really ~were~ in keeping with satoshi's idiocy. [17:22]
asciilifeform the continuing support for winblows, for example. [17:22]
mircea_popescu i dunno, man. if a guy makes a shitty camp during indian assault, it's one thing. [17:22]
mircea_popescu if folks in the settled territory keep on living there, not even put up a fucking log barn ? [17:22]
mircea_popescu another thing. [17:22]
mircea_popescu can't call both "fucking gypos". [17:22]
asciilifeform i can see it. [17:23]
mircea_popescu the lone ranger gets a lot of excuses later fellows do not. [17:24]
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BingoBoingo ^ lulz [17:28]
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asciilifeform 'From the record, it appears the only information passed on to law enforcement about the defendant was his IP address. There is nothing presented by the defense, other than rank speculation, that anything more was obtained by SEI and provided to law enforcement to identify the defendant.' [17:30]
asciilifeform lying is a sport to these folks, isnnit. [17:31]
phf i can't figure out if "there's no network at large" is a semantic point or a technical one. or is the claim that a semantic point makes technical conversation irrelevant? [17:31]
pete_dushenski << 4-5 exahash seems like a more plausible 12 month estimate. [17:31]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 11:50:53; punkman: or is 2exa too low? [17:31]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Not a sport, a game. [17:31]
pete_dushenski exaguess is based on gut, which is about 75% accurate in such matters to date. [17:31]
BingoBoingo Sports have fans [17:32]
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asciilifeform << l0lzies [17:36]
assbot Judge confirms what many suspected: Feds hired CMU to break Tor | Ars Technica ... ( ) [17:36]
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asciilifeform ^ interesting for the 'paper shredder precedent' cited [17:38]
pete_dushenski << just past tense ? [17:50]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 13:37:41; asciilifeform: i, for instance, was an incurable disappointment to my parents [17:50]
pete_dushenski << indeed. apparently there are the $40 water bottles that are now all the rage. i only discovered them at 'organic grocer' last week, vommited in mouth a bit at the mere prospect of such an object at such a price, only to discover that they're on every desk and every gym bag already. [17:53]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 13:43:25; asciilifeform: << the sign of very poor orc country. e.g., nobody in usa thinks phone is 'status', for a decade now. [17:53]
pete_dushenski "keeps water VERY cold" advocate tells me. [17:53]
pete_dushenski as if ice is wunderwaffen [17:53]
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mircea_popescu phf let's start simple tho. you used the symbol, "network at large". define it. [17:55]
phf well, it's a technical capability, like roads or email. bitcoin is hosted on a subtrate of tcpip, question is can a b-a node accept packets that come from outside the wot and on what terms. [17:58]
mircea_popescu << [17:59]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 16:10:30; asciilifeform: so i wanted to link to mircea_popescu's article about dns, and the hypothetical demented gf who punctures the water pipes [17:59]
assbot Please stop using DNS already, and other considerations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [17:59]
mircea_popescu phf is your definition of "network at large" as "all those ips that are not connected to a node connected to someone in l2" ? [17:59]
mircea_popescu or what, 2 degrees of separation ? 4 ? [17:59]
phf all those ips that are not l1 or l2 [18:00]
mircea_popescu why is this partition meaningful ? [18:00]
phf l1 or l2 runs trb, where behavior can be improved. better sync mechanisms, bandwidth/cpu conservative network activity, etc. anyone in the wot can also be punished for abuse, i.e. if asciilifeform starts sending me gigs of bogus transactions, and it's not a test and he can't be reasoned with, etc. [18:03]
mircea_popescu in other, unrelated lulz : derpy consturctor advertises apts in new building. so i have them called, mostly because i know it'll deliver gold. it does. 1 room apts, 470k pesos (~30k usd) ; 2 room apts, 2.1mn pesos (~150k usd). NO TITLE. [18:04]
mircea_popescu ie, you become an unpriviledged creditor of theirs, and that's that. if they go bankrupt in a decade, you lose the house. [18:05]
mircea_popescu this, incidentally, happens here. ALL THE TIME. [18:05]
phf a gossip solution is to hermetically seal the network, but some nodes presumably still need to talk to elsewhere, i.e. not l1 or l2, those are the ones that still have to deal with spam transactions [18:05]
mircea_popescu phf the separation between "trb nodes" and "the rest of the network" comes of the same sort of usg-enabling fiction where somehow obama owns the land and i live on it by his permision. [18:05]
mircea_popescu i will not empower this. NOBODY, including his top general and his own daughter, is his. i own, unknown, perhaps, and or all of these. [18:06]
mircea_popescu for all you know, i peer with a "network at large" node, making it thus trb-node-one-removed. [18:06]
mircea_popescu this cloud will never be clarified, or separated. the space where usg can reliably live (or, for that matter, chinag, russiag, dpkg, anyone-g) is, more or less, zero. [18:06]
mircea_popescu and gossipd is specifically not a solution to hermetically seal the network. [18:07]
mircea_popescu it is a solution to make that epsilon unknowable to any degree of certainty, by anyone. [18:07]
mircea_popescu on which topic, the earlier discussion with asciilifeform re miners is quite apropos. [18:07]
mircea_popescu and this is not merely a discussion of nodes in terms of internet ips. this is a discussion of everything. usg can not currently know which of its agents is closer to me than to washington. closer to their wife than to washington. closer to their purse, a la force, than to washington. [18:09]
mircea_popescu this situation will never reduce, but only amplify, for it spells victory. [18:09]
phf well a gossip connection is already a secret handshake, even if it's not wot rated, a concept of trust can be applied to it, even if negatively. it's a backchannel for b-a node communication [18:11]
mircea_popescu ok. [18:11]
mircea_popescu but once this is done, the "network outside of gossipd" becomes a mere fiction. [18:12]
mircea_popescu you can't say this is the case for any one node in particular. [18:12]
phf will b-a node, once gossip enabled make connections that are not routed over gossip? [18:14]
mircea_popescu why not ? [18:14]
mircea_popescu bridged, or even unbridged. [18:14]
mircea_popescu the whole point of gossipd, as i was trying to explain it to that torhead dude, is that you can't know. [18:14]
phf oh the outside packets are traveling over gossip too, by means of gossip relays [18:16]
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mircea_popescu and as a more general point : we aren't sealing ourselves off in an ideal world (see the "island of Bitcoin" / "let's get a geographical unit started" threads throughout log history). we are simply constructing indefeatable corruption. [18:16]
phf i always thought of it as more of a backchannel, i.e. there's the dead drops with their own rules of engagement and then there's also the mail you get in post. [18:18]
asciilifeform << no worky [18:20]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 20:56:40; mircea_popescu: << [18:20]
mircea_popescu this being the deep meaning of the comment [18:20]
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mircea_popescu i am not prepared to admit usg ownership over as much as the fucking bathroom of the oval office. [18:20]
mircea_popescu it is mine, and i'm taking it back. all of it. [18:20]
phf за нами москва [18:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what's it do ? [18:22]
asciilifeform just displays the article. [18:22]
mircea_popescu nuts. [18:22]
asciilifeform << in so far as the enemy can readily deduce that none of us are mining, the 'outside' of the bottle deductively exists. [18:22]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 21:09:39; mircea_popescu: but once this is done, the "network outside of gossipd" becomes a mere fiction. [18:22]
mircea_popescu this deduction would be false. [18:23]
asciilifeform i suppose our conversations re: it taking forever to get a high-S tx into a block could've been smokescreen, aha. [18:23]
mircea_popescu inasmuch as the enemy can delude himself into that, he can delude himself into anything and is warmly welcome to it. [18:23]
asciilifeform or when bitbet tx were delayed, it was also smoke. [18:24]
mircea_popescu if this were how deductions worked there'd be no need of politicians [18:24]
mircea_popescu or even women. [18:24]
mircea_popescu world could be settled over darts and beer. [18:24]
asciilifeform but yes, i get the 'nacht und nebel' thing mircea_popescu is trying to set up [18:25]
asciilifeform it is meritorious [18:25]
asciilifeform let them guess. [18:25]
asciilifeform << pretty sure that's what my thermos cost. (there is nothing peculiar about it) [18:30]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 20:50:38; pete_dushenski: << indeed. apparently there are the $40 water bottles that are now all the rage. i only discovered them at 'organic grocer' last week, vommited in mouth a bit at the mere prospect of such an object at such a price, only to discover that they're on every desk and every gym bag already. [18:30]
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pete_dushenski thermos tends to carry considerably more volume, no ? [18:31]
jurov but thermoses don't have the right comforter [18:34]
jurov or whatitscalled, a teat? [18:35]
mircea_popescu lol [18:35]
pete_dushenski spout maybe [18:38]
pete_dushenski also a thermos is 2x weight of water bottle. different beast really. like macbook air and og mac portable. [18:39]
jurov babies drink from spout? til [18:39]
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mircea_popescu aha. also drunkards drink from spout [18:39]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: it had a spout. [18:39]
asciilifeform it is the iron kind of thermos, welded in a vaccum chamber [18:40]
pete_dushenski babies are a lot like drunks : shit pants, mutter incomprehensibly, can't walk straight [18:40]
phf thermos has a vacuum chamber [18:40]
asciilifeform (yes this is how they are made) [18:40]
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mircea_popescu basically a thermos is a larger xmas tree globe. [18:40]
phf or ascii said it already [18:40]
mircea_popescu shiny glass double bottom vacuum separated. [18:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the old-fashioned kind, you can still get it, sure [18:40]
jurov ikr? the vacuum doesn't compensate for the added weight [18:41]
jurov would have to be too bulky [18:41]
phf only quality asian ones use glass vacuum chambers, also on account of those people being careful with their stuff. can't even buy those in usg unless in specialty asian stores [18:41]
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pete_dushenski asciilifeform: i now see that this 'fancy' water bottle is built the same way - double stainless steel wall with vacuum - so it's essentially a smaller, ligther duty thermos. such innovation ! [18:42]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: was it made by 'contigo' co. ? [18:43]
pete_dushenski mno. and nor do i want to memorialise the actual co with a log mention [18:44]
BingoBoingo Then this is pretty much all Thermos wank, take it to bitcointalk [18:45]
mircea_popescu lol [18:46]
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pete_dushenski i thought he was on reddit now, which is amusing given that one of these bottles is worth more than the lot of em [18:47]
mircea_popescu << an uncharacteristically well written wikipedia article. [18:47]
assbot Molon labe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [18:47]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: He does both [18:48]
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phf "We noticed that you have not yet purchased your Apple Developer Program. To continue your enrollment, purchase your program now." these people [18:50]
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mircea_popescu << this thing insistently reminds me of "bitcoin in argentina / world map", "dating websites" and the rest of the crapolade. [18:53]
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mircea_popescu WE HAVE SO AND SO THINGS!!! please do not try to use any of them!!1 [18:53]
mircea_popescu !up beeteecee [18:53]
-assbot- You voiced beeteecee for 30 minutes. [18:54]
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mircea_popescu << til nttp = rich. [18:54]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 18:59:19; asciilifeform: (and yes, he probably isn't 'can send money to isis'-rich, but is 'not having to work' rich, surely.) [18:54]
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asciilifeform what's nttp ? [18:58]
mircea_popescu no theorems to prove. [18:58]
mircea_popescu and in other the same news, [18:58]
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asciilifeform i dun get it [18:59]
asciilifeform but maybe i shouldn't expect to [18:59]
mircea_popescu dude does all the work three midlevel project managers in a shitty thirld world country wanna-be second hand tech firm do. you perceive this as "not have to work", on the grounds that he doesn't seem to mind it. [19:00]
mircea_popescu he only doesn't mind it because his ganglional vacuole is thoroughly empty. [19:00]
asciilifeform what makes you think that he works ? [19:02]
mircea_popescu programmers make the funniest whores, i swear. rarely have i seen actual call girls sitting around in the limo earnestly deploring their fate as compared to the toothless scamp collapsed in a dirty heap in the back alley. [19:02]
mircea_popescu but hey. [19:02]
asciilifeform for all i know, he spends 100% of his waking hours playing 'doom'. [19:02]
mircea_popescu nevermind me. why's this about me ? you made an array of propositions and you want ME to be bringing proof ? [19:02]
mircea_popescu for all you know he's your father, luke. [19:02]
pete_dushenski relevant [19:03]
assbot Logged on 15-11-2014 21:25:38; Anduck: mircea_popescu: remember, the people who you call 'idiots' may be living a happier life than you [19:03]
mircea_popescu that may be true or not, but it's really irrelevant - i'm not interchangeable with the people i call idiots. meanwhile im sure intestinal worms, if i managed to get them, would live a happier life than him, and that IS relevant, because he IS interchangeable with my putative intestinal worms. [19:04]
asciilifeform hm i think i got disconnected [19:05]
asciilifeform lost buffer [19:05]
asciilifeform sending again, apologies if repeat: [19:05]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: more thinking that whole thread, also [19:05]
assbot Logged on 15-11-2014 21:26:34; mircea_popescu: the notion that cattle gets to enact standards of happiness is beyond ridoinculous. [19:05]
asciilifeform well all i have is the fact (rumour?) that there is this kid who organized a mega-scam for usg [19:05]
asciilifeform and has (? had ?) control of a good chunk of btc [19:05]
asciilifeform so presumably got a cut. [19:05]
asciilifeform in his position, i certainly would not work. (in the sense of showing up to some salt mine, for wages) [19:05]
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pete_dushenski asciilifeform: but if you were in his position, you would scam, so... [19:06]
pete_dushenski can't cherry pick when in another man's shoes [19:06]
asciilifeform i see mircea_popescu's argument, that man cannot compare himself with worm, it operates on null pointer [19:06]
pete_dushenski like wearing one of his pantlegs. for one, you'll trip and fall on your face [19:06]
asciilifeform i'm simply not entirely convinced that i am not similarly a worm [19:07]
asciilifeform and thereby - comparable. [19:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform> and has (? had ?) control of a good chunk of btc << we did this entire thread when you thought leah goodman is set for lyf, and then we did it when bb started exposing the lulzy state of gawker contributors compensations, and so on. [19:08]
mircea_popescu how many times do we need to do the whole - stalin and ivan ivanov politruk own the same : 0. except stalin's 0 buys him some things and politruk's 0 does not ? [19:09]
asciilifeform so buterin never had coin ? [19:09]
asciilifeform who, then, held it ? [19:09]
asciilifeform martians ? [19:09]
mircea_popescu force had more coin, for longer. [19:09]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski sorry ? [19:10]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform> and thereby - comparable. << this question, answered later. [19:10]
asciilifeform how's that [19:10]
mircea_popescu well so you don't know. eventually you will neh ? [19:10]
asciilifeform i think worms die ignorant. [19:11]
asciilifeform as in, i stepped on one today, and did not first tell it 'you were a worm' [19:11]
asciilifeform i also do not have the unreasonable expectation of being told. [19:11]
mircea_popescu well okthen! [19:12]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: re: idiots or pantlegs ? [19:12]
mircea_popescu i dunno man. what scam what what ? wut ? [19:12]
pete_dushenski aha. buterin. namely that alf imagines he would sit on the king's throne but nor wear his crown if only they could swap places as in a dream [19:13]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 22:03:01; asciilifeform: well all i have is the fact (rumour?) that there is this kid who organized a mega-scam for usg [19:13]
mircea_popescu i dunno why you keep doing this entire "handpuppet is the show!!" thing. did inaba do bfl ? what else we believe ? [19:14]
mircea_popescu the relationship between buterin and the mit-driven, elen shoe or what's her stupid name managed alt-bitcoin scam is approximately the same as the relationship between preet bharara and the us rogue state. [19:15]
mircea_popescu we're cordially invited to hang the idiot(s) and imagine this does something. [19:15]
mircea_popescu i'd link a famous ro play on the topic, but i fear i'm overdoing the obscure romanian stuff. [19:16]
mircea_popescu anyway. "noi capul lui motoc vrem". [19:16]
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mircea_popescu i couldn't give less of a shit about buterin myself, yet another amir taaki, like the antonoderp (- did he do neo bee btw ? ) [19:16]
mircea_popescu i'll have shu's head, and a few others instead. [19:17]
asciilifeform shi. [19:17]
mircea_popescu whatever. [19:17]
pete_dushenski brewster, danny did neobee [19:17]
asciilifeform but i did not for a moment think that the muppets 'run the show' [19:18]
asciilifeform just that they are handsomely rewarded for their muppetry. [19:18]
mircea_popescu mno. there's the mysterious phtysic scammer in the pics that meanwhile disappeared, between "danny" and the schmucky head of the nicosia uni it dept. [19:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform this thinking costs you nothing, so by all means. [19:18]
pete_dushenski o that's right. [19:18]
mircea_popescu anyone managed to fish out that thing yet, btw ? [19:18]
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pete_dushenski << ? [19:19]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'd conceivably walk around an epsilon less depressed if i learned that muppets have to do their muppetry in spare hours on the train, rather than relaxing in hammocks work-free. but nfi. [19:19]
mircea_popescu i doubt it'd help ya. [19:20]
trinque I would like to hear an example of a scammer that was capable of holding onto capital. [19:20]
pete_dushenski << another contender [19:20]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: out of curiousity - why ? [19:20]
asciilifeform *curiosity [19:20]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski not bad, but it's specifically from the lolference they organised. [19:20]
trinque I find it far more likely that such a bent mind blows through whatever pile he amasses because he's as dishonest inwardly as outwardly [19:20]
asciilifeform trinque: i don't think they typically get lump sums, for this reason [19:21]
pete_dushenski << ?? [19:21]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform why would it not help ? because you show systematic bias in very peculiar manner which experience with humans indicates to be coming from psychogenic source, which means that nothing may help except resolution of the respective psychological conflict. [19:21]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski nah, they were seated at a table, names in greek script on papers in front [19:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu isn't wrong here. [19:22]
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asciilifeform i have never in entire life, since i can remember myself at 2 y.o., not been convinced that being other people isn't considerably more fun than being self. [19:23]
mircea_popescu how about being a woman ? [19:23]
asciilifeform but generally there is good logic behind this [19:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: them too [19:23]
asciilifeform and animals, etc. [19:23]
mircea_popescu how is being a woman more fun than being self ? [19:24]
asciilifeform why asked specifically about women, out of curiosity [19:24]
mircea_popescu what am i doing here, doing or teaching ? [19:24]
asciilifeform hm [19:24]
asciilifeform i have nfi. catch one and force it to be me for a spell then ask. [19:25]
asciilifeform it will tell you which sucked moar. [19:25]
mircea_popescu wait. wut ? [19:25]
asciilifeform i do not know how to actually carry out this experiment. [19:25]
mircea_popescu so it's more fun for you to be her or less fun for her to be you ? [19:25]
asciilifeform all i can reveal is my strong intuition, like the feeling you have when you see a door that there is a volume behind it. [19:25]
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asciilifeform i've never actually been other people, and so cannot satisfactorily answer mircea_popescu. [19:28]
asciilifeform but if i devise a means of being other people, i promise to tell him how it went. [19:29]
mircea_popescu lol. sounds like a bedtime story by now. [19:29]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: can't seem to dig up the neo bee pic in question atm, but at least i now have a mental image of it with which to scan the archives. not sure i've ever seen the original even once, however. [19:31]
trinque this notion of "if I were someone else" is exactly what I was addressing with "both you and he will die someday" ftr [19:31]
mircea_popescu more like a you know, trophy point than anything. [19:32]
trinque the war against metaphysical thinking is far greater than that against merely god [19:32]
trinque not like I'd claim victory in that one just yet either, but it's a thing [19:32]
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trinque mircea_popescu: I've not seen it addressed better than your from causes vs towards purpose [19:34]
mircea_popescu doesn't even necessarily have to be a war. [19:35]
mircea_popescu one doesn't have to go to war with the salt in order to stop oversalting his food to the point of inedibility. [19:35]
pete_dushenski << so pay-up-front flat-rate renting for undefined period of time ? this makes working of ethdapps look sane [19:35]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 21:02:14; mircea_popescu: in other, unrelated lulz : derpy consturctor advertises apts in new building. so i have them called, mostly because i know it'll deliver gold. it does. 1 room apts, 470k pesos (~30k usd) ; 2 room apts, 2.1mn pesos (~150k usd). NO TITLE. [19:35]
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asciilifeform who in his right mind would buy this ?? [19:38]
trinque someone who isn't pobre, clearly! [19:39]
pete_dushenski kek [19:39]
pete_dushenski and alf thought just ustards were materially wealthy without any culture worth the mention. look ! it's a worldwide sensation ! like justin bieber ! [19:40]
asciilifeform so gentlement, get a load of this: [19:41]
asciilifeform i tried a commercial code walker thing, [19:41]
assbot ... ( ) [19:41]
asciilifeform it claims to search for various vulns statically; [19:41]
asciilifeform and so i feed it a (cleaned-up) mpi [19:41]
asciilifeform and get [19:42]
assbot Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( ) [19:42]
asciilifeform do not look for the sense, because there is none [19:42]
asciilifeform the tool's logic (based on 'clang'/llvm) is phucked. [19:42]
asciilifeform *gentlemen [19:42]
asciilifeform it shat out a great deal more of this, but i will not waste anybody's time with it. [19:43]
asciilifeform this example will suffice. [19:43]
asciilifeform oh and the thing also shits out flow graphs [19:46]
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asciilifeform and they are just as terrible as solrodar's [19:46]
asciilifeform (for the same reason. it uses clang/graphviz) [19:46]
asciilifeform so, speaking of 'who buys this crud' [19:46]
mircea_popescu doctor wants me to eat less butter. slavegirl is like "well you know... i could make those banana muffins without butter or oil" "o yeah ? what are you going to make them with, piss ? russian prison muffins ?" "yeah! i could make... research facility muffins." [19:48]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski the argentines are fucktarded re money beyond what is comprehensible or readily imaginable. their idea essentially is "o you got sum ? gimme!" [19:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yer not supposed to eat the prison chess pieces, yknow [19:49]
mircea_popescu 5yo black valley girls from the ghetto or somesuch. [19:49]
asciilifeform they aren't muffins. [19:49]
pete_dushenski re muffins alt-butters, try zucchini [19:49]
asciilifeform just bread crumbs glued with piss. [19:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that yellow snow ain't piss, my dear fellow. [19:49]
asciilifeform no? [19:49]
mircea_popescu piss dun glue. cum glues. [19:49]
asciilifeform ah hm. [19:50]
asciilifeform !s menstruade [19:50]
assbot 2 results for 'menstruade' : [19:50]
asciilifeform ^ we had thread! [19:50]
* pete_dushenski never makes banana bread w/o zucchini [19:50]
mircea_popescu ,ebbe worth a shot [19:50]
mircea_popescu re the apts lulz : understand that the >4x price differential relates to a 40% surface area differential. somehow. [19:51]
pete_dushenski << just loverly. [19:51]
assbot Mendelssohn - Im Grünen (UniversitätsChor München) - YouTube ... ( ) [19:51]
asciilifeform again why would anyone pay for title-less real estate thing [19:51]
asciilifeform ? [19:51]
mircea_popescu i have nfi. [19:51]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: because families are rich [19:51]
mircea_popescu but they do. i know this for a fact. [19:51]
mircea_popescu i would say about 80% of individual holders in the city hold their property as unpriviledged creditors of a company they do not control. [19:52]
pete_dushenski a husband and wife working are greater than the sum of their parts in argenmaths [19:52]
asciilifeform and what, precisely, prevents the seller from selling it twice ? [19:52]
asciilifeform let the 'buyers' fight, who 'bought' first. [19:52]
mircea_popescu nope, nothing at all. [19:52]
mircea_popescu "bankruptcies" are CONSTANT occurences. [19:52]
asciilifeform at least in sov. 'kooperativ' apartment, there was paper. [19:53]
asciilifeform and some centralized record that x paid for y. [19:53]
mircea_popescu they appear as little notifications in the buildings, by the elevators (this is how i know about how widespread the problem is - originalyl) [19:53]
mircea_popescu they all have this plaintive "whio could have foreseen" and "we have to go to the judge to make this right" etc. [19:53]
asciilifeform l0l just when i thought i had the best zimbabwe here. [19:53]
mircea_popescu no reports in the press, of course, they're too busy discussing how "not a single woman less" because totally, they're killing to many women around here, appartently. [19:53]
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asciilifeform waiwut [19:54]
mircea_popescu i dunno how the fuck they reason, they should hang one per each intersection, that'd fix many problems [19:54]
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mircea_popescu lol wtf is this scitools thing lmao [19:55]
asciilifeform i think my screenshit explains ? [19:55]
pete_dushenski "not a single woman less" << exactly subject of last contravex. city here goes through whole charade trying to prevent bridge jumpers... off one one single bridge [19:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but i mean... does the code do any of the things it claims ? [19:55]
pete_dushenski *only one [19:55]
asciilifeform you can readily see what it actually does. [19:55]
mircea_popescu yeah but afais it doesn't do any of htre things claimed ? [19:56]
asciilifeform (runs clang, produces fancy-looking nonsense. walk through the pictured branches, and see how it gives a martian result) [19:56]
asciilifeform $1k+. [19:56]
pete_dushenski why not just require 20' of barbed wire on top of all building >2 stories ? because it can't. still, "we tried" (tm) [19:56]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski the fancy socialmedia tards are all about how "femicidio" is a thing. [19:57]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: is this the chinese abortion thing? [19:57]
mircea_popescu as if anyone could possibly not be outraged by the proposition that murder is gender-different [19:57]
mircea_popescu nah, apparently govt doesn't like males disciplining the household cows. [19:57]
mircea_popescu for obvious reasons. [19:57]
pete_dushenski menstruation is also outrageously biased, more anal-spikes needed to rectify this social crisis [19:58]
asciilifeform am i missing some context here or what [19:58]
asciilifeform wtf is 'femicide' [19:58]
mircea_popescu the killing of women. [19:58]
pete_dushenski orifice bleeding for everyone, a chicken in every oven ! [19:58]
asciilifeform where i live it is this liberast term re: the chinese custom of selective aborting [19:59]
mircea_popescu i dunno what they're on about, 40mn country has ~1 murder per decade or some shit. [19:59]
mircea_popescu nah, here it means something vague altogether. [19:59]
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asciilifeform who even gets clobbered in ar. [20:00]
asciilifeform i realized that i have mostly nfi. [20:00]
mircea_popescu i've never seen it. they really should up beating of women by about 1000x. especially those over 50. [20:01]
mircea_popescu as it is, it's fucking common to see an entire outdoor cafe filled with nothing but singles of these derps sitting there all important and shit. [20:01]
mircea_popescu it's fucking offensive, is what it is. [20:01]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: so "what they're on about" is the once in a lifetime hurricane, the homegrown pope, the meteor, the exceptional event that they have no frame of reference with which to process [20:02]
asciilifeform and in india you can see cows stopping traffic, as if important... [20:02]
asciilifeform similarly [20:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform something like that yeah. [20:03]
mircea_popescu actually come to think about it, that's what i should do. start a "beat nags club". get a prize per extracted tooth or somesuch. [20:03]
mircea_popescu best way to fix this shithole, really. [20:03]
asciilifeform you would have to come up with some incentive, aha [20:03]
asciilifeform because who otherwise would bother? [20:04]
asciilifeform how much time does mircea_popescu personally spend with nags. [20:04]
pete_dushenski catharsis, gets you off, like diddle her twat club [20:04]
pete_dushenski charge $300 a visit [20:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform their poisonous influence is felt throughout. [20:04]
asciilifeform i believe it. [20:04]
asciilifeform but how much time mircea_popescu spends beating'em [20:05]
pete_dushenski << model [20:05]
assbot Logged on 23-02-2016 16:44:07; danielpbarron: >> The process is simple. You head to the class, strip off from the waist down, and lie across an unknown, fully-clothed man while he strokes your clitoris. [20:05]
mircea_popescu argentina suffers from a bit of german pox. specifically, they had a military junta in the 70s, it beat the shit out of the tards, but eventually failed economically. [20:05]
mircea_popescu now they're too touchy-feely to put the foot down. [20:05]
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pete_dushenski bbiab - post oriffice beckons [20:06]
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trinque lol [20:07]
mircea_popescu airmail ? [20:07]
asciilifeform turns out he was posting from ru prison all this time... [20:07]
mircea_popescu like in, say, brasil ? [20:07]
asciilifeform aha. [20:08]
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asciilifeform << also ftr, i don't own (even in the curious sense contemplated here) even 1 room. [20:14]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 21:02:14; mircea_popescu: in other, unrelated lulz : derpy consturctor advertises apts in new building. so i have them called, mostly because i know it'll deliver gold. it does. 1 room apts, 470k pesos (~30k usd) ; 2 room apts, 2.1mn pesos (~150k usd). NO TITLE. [20:14]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what's it cost ~with~ title ? [20:14]
mircea_popescu this is unclear, but in general i doubt it can be acquired other than buying the whole building. [20:15]
mircea_popescu (this is rather sensible - wtf is the meaning of title on an indivise real estate item ?) [20:15]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, the custom of shitholes, such as romania, russia etc, is to issue title on apts. [20:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in usa there exists, somehow, title on 'condominium' - but it is strange, you still have to pay 'service fee' that is quite similar to the cost of renting a flat [20:16]
asciilifeform forever. [20:16]
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asciilifeform ru has perfectly legit title on apt, in comparison. [20:16]
mircea_popescu legit in what sense. [20:16]
asciilifeform so it's a cement slab rather than earth. [20:17]
asciilifeform but otherwise works similarly. [20:17]
mircea_popescu how the fuck does it work similarly. [20:17]
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asciilifeform in the sense of being bought/sold, centrally registered, etc. [20:17]
mircea_popescu ok, but title is about some important things. for instance : can't acquire title on good without egress. [20:18]
asciilifeform it is no more odd than american land titles, that come 'without mineral rights' [20:18]
mircea_popescu consequently, splits of property are required to include servitudes on the outer plots. [20:18]
asciilifeform in usa this is called 'easement' [20:18]
asciilifeform but yes [20:18]
mircea_popescu well how's this work on condominium ? [20:18]
asciilifeform they typically have independent doors. [20:18]
asciilifeform and a collectively-owned staircase. [20:19]
mircea_popescu so then... lol. [20:19]
asciilifeform btw remember m. heevemeyer ? [20:19]
mircea_popescu notrly ? [20:19]
asciilifeform of 'killdozer' fame ? [20:19]
asciilifeform !s killdozer [20:19]
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mircea_popescu o.O [20:19]
asciilifeform adjacent holders managed to box him in on his land, without egress [20:20]
asciilifeform so he built the bulldozer. [20:20]
mircea_popescu lol [20:20]
asciilifeform he was the original, arguably greatest, joe stack [20:20]
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mircea_popescu and the problem doesn't end with egress. suppose i wanna take down a wall. "can't - building will collapse" "but my title ?" "fuck your title, our wall". [20:21]
asciilifeform we have this with ordinary land here in usaschwitz [20:21]
jurov here from law follows that you really own only air between the walls in a condo [20:21]
mircea_popescu "also i want to turn off central heating, your prices suck" "uhh wut ?" "my title!!!" [20:21]
asciilifeform 'i want to farm.' 'sorry no pigs allowed in this town' [20:21]
mircea_popescu yeah but this is why sanew people do not own real estate in the ustardia. [20:21]
asciilifeform quite a few american titles are encumbered in one way or another [20:22]
asciilifeform e.g., there is a cable easement [20:22]
asciilifeform (it is there but not yours to cut) [20:22]
asciilifeform and in most countries one is not permitted to erect an antiaircraft battery [20:22]
asciilifeform even with supposedly 'sane' titles. [20:22]
mircea_popescu except in the us - quite a lot of legal precedent re spite spikes [20:22]
mircea_popescu (aircraft-invisible metal poles) [20:22]
asciilifeform link? [20:23]
mircea_popescu hmm, lessee [20:23]
asciilifeform ;;google spite spike [20:23]
gribble Spite and Malice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The Rant: Spike's Spite over the Oscar nominations | ; Rules of Card Games: Spite and Malice: [20:23]
mircea_popescu,5416127&hl=en [20:25]
mircea_popescu lots of these. [20:25]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: seems like it is what i said earlier [20:26]
asciilifeform title does not extend up. [20:26]
mircea_popescu aha [20:26]
asciilifeform (i know of no country where it does) [20:26]
mircea_popescu but it took like 50 years'; wrangling to sort out [20:26]
mircea_popescu in the us peculiarly. [20:26]
asciilifeform and much, much earlier, they invented the idiocy of 'mineral rights' [20:26]
asciilifeform which was precedent enough. [20:26]
mircea_popescu why is this idiocy ? [20:26]
mircea_popescu you know anything of the history of the industrialization of the west ? [20:27]
mircea_popescu over the dead bodies of ranchers [20:27]
asciilifeform sure. [20:27]
asciilifeform but i will say, if mircea_popescu laughs at the condo title owner, who doesn't have right to demolish the walls or drill through the floor, how is this situation any different from the rancher who does not own the oil ? [20:27]
mircea_popescu nothing keeps you from buying WITH the rights. [20:28]
asciilifeform the condo corp.'s claim to prevent my drilling of the walls at least makes some kind of physical sense [20:28]
mircea_popescu just because two items are separated to ease commerce does you no harm. buy them togetrher. [20:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they are typically not available. [20:29]
mircea_popescu yes, but i can't acquire the title to that to heal my defect. [20:29]
mircea_popescu ofcourse they are. [20:29]
asciilifeform not in the typical american residential sector. [20:29]
asciilifeform no 'suburb' will permit drilling. [20:29]
mircea_popescu and i would similarly not object to land offered in fee simple if the immunity were separately available to reconstruct alodial title [20:29]
asciilifeform this is a 'distinction without difference' [20:29]
asciilifeform it is 'available' like toilet paper was in '92 su. [20:30]
mircea_popescu hey, don't blame the hammer because idiots stick it up their ass. we already discussed the "inane collective rulesets" thing above. [20:30]
mircea_popescu it does not color this discussion. [20:30]
asciilifeform yes, if you see it in the shop, and grab it first, it costs 0.10 rub. [20:30]
asciilifeform so in what sense is the reconstruction available. [20:30]
mircea_popescu in the legal sense. [20:31]
asciilifeform the mineral rights are with the city, or the original developer of the street, who won't part with them even for maxint. [20:31]
asciilifeform similarly to how the allodial title is with usg, who won't let it go. [20:31]
asciilifeform we have many fictions like this in usa. [20:33]
asciilifeform for instance, for many years, possession of marijuana etc. was a ... tax offense. [20:33]
asciilifeform usg theoretically demanded a tax stamp. [20:33]
asciilifeform that it would not actually sell to anyone, for any price. [20:33]
asciilifeform this was practiced until a proper ban was passed (iirc 1950s) and the trick deemed no longer necessary. [20:34]
BingoBoingo and in india you can see cows stopping traffic, as if important... << [20:34]
assbot Bull Farmer Killed in Shootout While Protecting Life | Qntra ... ( ) [20:34]
asciilifeform but it is how usg leveraged its original tax collection powers to ... being what it is today. [20:34]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: realize that most u.s. folk have never even seen a bull, likely. [20:36]
asciilifeform and the places where they can be seen, may as well be mars. [20:36]
BingoBoingo Only in your dismal swamp [20:36]
asciilifeform no coast dweller, to first approximation, knows or gives so much as a spoonful of shit what happens in the places where one may meet with bulls. [20:36]
asciilifeform i say this as statement of (afaik) fact, not judgement. [20:37]
asciilifeform where was mircea_popescu's article on the countryside. [20:38]
asciilifeform [20:38]
assbot Anonimity, or the urban versus rural dispute. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [20:38]
BingoBoingo and a collectively-owned staircase. << Also collectively metered water [20:38]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: not always. [20:38]
mircea_popescu what they still do that in the states ?! [20:39]
mircea_popescu no fucking way ? [20:39]
asciilifeform modern buildouts typically have separate meters. [20:39]
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mircea_popescu and in butt-er news, [20:41]
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BingoBoingo Most of the ads I've seen bundle water/sewer into the condo fee, but may be a regional quirk [20:43]
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mircea_popescu aww [21:12]
mircea_popescu hey DreadKnight am i gonna see you in eulora at some point ? [21:16]
mircea_popescu "Among other items, the [21:18]
mircea_popescu government’s disclosures included information regarding the funding and structure [21:18]
mircea_popescu relationship between SEI and DOD, as well as directing the defendant to publicly [21:18]
mircea_popescu available materials regarding the Tor network." [21:18]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [21:18]
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mircea_popescu "In Forrester, the court clearly enunciated that: “Internet users have no expectation of privacy in …the IP address of the websites they visit because they should know that this information is provided to and used by Internet service providers for the specific purpose of directing the routing of information." <<< except the ip of the "website they used" has exactly nothing to do with anything. [21:19]
mircea_popescu what is this guy, a shoe ? [21:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30827 @ 0.00057808 = 17.8205 BTC [+] [21:19]
mircea_popescu "Again, according to the parties’ submissions, such a submission is made despite the understanding communicated by the Tor Project that the Tor network has vulnerabilities and that users might not remain anonymous." o oops, forgot to say "according to information first, and to date only published on trilema, [...]". [21:20]
mircea_popescu decent lulz. [21:20]
BingoBoingo In other news, Obama's librarian of congress pick is pro hobo piss [21:22]
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mod6 good evening [21:30]
mod6 <+mircea_popescu> well lessee here, one of mod6 ben_vulpes give an opinion on this ? << In relation to the contest? I'm good with Cramer-Shoup. [21:31]
mircea_popescu the idea being that i announced a contest, haven't seen much in the way of submissions, ima award the 10 btc prize to alf for an implementation of a c-s derivative. [21:32]
mircea_popescu the idea is to not do this too rushedly, but also to not delay pointlessly. [21:32]
mod6 Right. [21:33]
mod6 I'm kinda torn, I want us to move forward with 'g', so Cramer-Shoup fits the bill for sure. On the other hand, I'd like to think that over a long interval we might see some interesting submissions eventually. [21:35]
mircea_popescu how long has it been anyway, a month yet ? [21:37]
mod6 no, not even. posted feb 4th. [21:37]
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mod6 Perhaps this: Implement with Cramer-Shoup, and if the implementation is finalized before any worthy submissions come to us, then end the contest and pay the btc to alf? [21:41]
mod6 That way we don't wait, but we don't slam the door yet either. [21:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform how dja feel about waiting till march 4th ? [21:42]
pete_dushenski << capsule today, rsa pill tomorrow [21:42]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 23:04:27; *: asciilifeform pictures pete_dushenski's postman grunting forth a capsule, with letter [21:42]
pete_dushenski << can turn of heat to unit via thermostat, but if pipes freeze (in arctic at least), owner liable for damage to other units from flooding if pipes burst [21:43]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 23:18:55; mircea_popescu: "also i want to turn off central heating, your prices suck" "uhh wut ?" "my title!!!" [21:43]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski gotta appreciate, most of these soviet arrangements were built atop "free" waste heat from the heavy industrial plants the dormitory- cities were made to feed anyway. [21:45]
mircea_popescu once that went away, "city" took over heat generation. except it's impossible to run a thing made to WASTE HEAT efficiently [21:46]
mircea_popescu so people weren't too keen to pay the city when there were cheap gas based wall units they could install instead. [21:46]
mircea_popescu these wars raged for decade+ [21:46]
pete_dushenski aha. parents' penthouse has no heating, just waste heat from 19 stories underneath. this is 'innovative' in the usual soviet sense i guess. [21:46]
pete_dushenski only turn on fireplaces at -20c. otherwise, no need. [21:47]
pete_dushenski << multicoloured cube in question. [21:48]
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BingoBoingo Beef Up lol [21:48]
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pete_dushenski hahaha [21:50]
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pete_dushenski << probably limited time offer. land developers are in a nasty habit of this atm. i've even seen "we guarantee that you'll be able to rent out your new suite for $1500 per month for the first 2 years. buy now!" in an attempt to sucker in would-be first-time landlords [21:54]
assbot Logged on 24-02-2016 23:40:41; BingoBoingo: Most of the ads I've seen bundle water/sewer into the condo fee, but may be a regional quirk [21:54]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Nah, established couple decade old places, but also cheap water [21:55]
pete_dushenski ah thought this was new construction. nvm. [21:55]
BingoBoingo Nah water here almost universally tends to be metered on a per building basis [21:56]
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BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: you gotta consider at least once, but often several times a year too much water is a problem in this region. Maybe once every 5-10 years driety is problematic. [22:00]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: the botero museum in bogota is mega-recommended if you're ever out exploring the rest of your continent :) [22:01]
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BingoBoingo Reddit gets murried [22:02]
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mircea_popescu with thanks to BingoBoingo for his log lulz. [22:04]
BingoBoingo you're welcome [22:06]
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asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu << i suggest that it is done 1) no earlier than 4th 2) no earlier than working cramershouptron is posted 5) paid not to my earthly carcass but to snsa piggy - under whose flag it will be published. [22:41]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:41]
assbot Logged on 25-02-2016 00:39:29; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how dja feel about waiting till march 4th ? [22:41]
asciilifeform and i would secretly love to be proven wrong, and for an actual cryptographer to exist, and show up, flying on jet pack, and show a scientifically-founded blockcipher for us. [22:42]
asciilifeform but i do not expect this. [22:42]
asciilifeform << i am actually very ambivalent about recommending an integer field arithm cipher for use as block cipher on a conventional pc. for one thing, we will have transfer rates measured in kb/sec (if we're lucky.) for another, extreme side channel danger, because we're branching-on-secrets. for a third, entropy starvation. [22:44]
assbot Logged on 25-02-2016 00:29:59; mircea_popescu: the idea being that i announced a contest, haven't seen much in the way of submissions, ima award the 10 btc prize to alf for an implementation of a c-s derivative. [22:44]
asciilifeform i will do it, but strictly because i do not presently perceive an alternative to exist. [22:45]
asciilifeform << l0l, looks like classic nazi polizei from caricatures [22:46]
assbot Logged on 25-02-2016 00:46:24; BingoBoingo: [22:46]
asciilifeform << over here, they run, e.g., university campus heat, off the exhaust of (natural gas) electric turbine. [22:48]
assbot Logged on 25-02-2016 00:43:43; mircea_popescu: once that went away, "city" took over heat generation. except it's impossible to run a thing made to WASTE HEAT efficiently [22:48]
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asciilifeform 'ah the delicate je ne se quoi pizda ma-tii of a French newspaper' << ahahahaha [22:57]
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asciilifeform << finland 'plans to pay all adult citizens 550 eu. independently of all other income; the sum will not be taxed. in return, the finns will have to disclaim all other government benefits, which add up, on average, to 600 eu., but no greater than 1500' (????) 'the government will ... consider this idea in nov. 2016 ... ... right now, it is unprofi [23:03]
asciilifeform table for many finns to take up temporary and low-paying work ...' etc etc [23:03]
assbot ВЕДОМОСТИ - Финляндия может начать выплачивать всем взрослым гражданам 550 евро в месяц ... ( ) [23:03]
asciilifeform ^ related to [23:04]
assbot Logged on 23-02-2016 08:51:15; mircea_popescu: << basically us "college" chumpatron still experimenting with "what's the lowest qty of candy bar we give the cattle to keep getting the sweet sweet usg funds for them. like, out of the 100k per capita we get in fed funny money, what's the least we could dole out to the maggots in whose name the whole scheme is run ? maybe -100`00 [23:04]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski ought to have opened up his rental business in fi ! [23:07]
asciilifeform where soon landlords will be able to raise all rents by 550 eu... [23:07]
asciilifeform in other noose, [23:13]
asciilifeform << usg expels crapple's atty. on a technicality [23:13]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo et al ^ [23:13]
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mod6 trinque: hey, when you get a chance, can you deed bot this for me? for me with the same name? [23:24]
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asciilifeform in really not-newz, [23:24]
mod6 thanks in advance. [23:24]
asciilifeform 'US troops often demonstrated poor litter discipline, discarding all manner of trash, damaged gear and clothing, expended batteries, and more. Much of this was of use to the VC, and they would collect such materials after a unit moved on.' [23:24]
asciilifeform (from 'vietname infantry tactics', l. rottman, osprey pub. co., 2011) [23:25]
asciilifeform *vietnam [23:25]
BingoBoingo In further studious ignoring and [23:28]
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asciilifeform snore. [23:29]
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asciilifeform l0l virtually even again. [23:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00057851 = 24.7024 BTC [+] {2} [23:37]
asciilifeform 'Like other armies the Germans emplaced booby traps to catch unwary souvenir-hunters, but they also used them to cause casualties among Allied small-unit leaders by locating them in possible command post and observation post sites. One example of this was to conceal a booby trap behind a framed picture left hanging crooked on an interior wall of a house: the Germans reasoned that only an officer would be irritated enough to bo [23:39]
asciilifeform ther with straightening the picture.' -- 'ww2 axis booby traps.' [23:39]
BingoBoingo Maybe this is the Google AlphaBitBetBot [23:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00057852 = 5.4381 BTC [+] [23:48]
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