Forum logs for 24 Apr 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[08:13]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 16:58:12 2014	[08:13]
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mircea_popescu	;;bc,stats	[08:13]
gribble	Current Blocks: 353489 \| Current Difficulty: 4.761056451347126E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 354815 \| Next Difficulty In: 1326 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 10 hours, 34 minutes, and 57 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 48597211308.5 \| Estimated Percent Change: 2.07233	[08:13]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109021 << yeah and im sure it's accidental.	[08:26]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 03:22:57; trinque: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/23/drone-strike-al-qaida-targets-white-house << pretty damn amusing word choice in the URL if you ask me	[08:26]
ben_vulpes	[04:33] http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108862 << l0l, where ? la poesia	[08:28]
assbot	Logged on 23-04-2015 23:04:57; ben_cash: i finally found the pet who wanted to come home	[08:28]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109027 << eeexactly.	[08:29]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 03:46:32; decimation: "While intellectual property seems to be mostly ignored, tradecraft and trade secrets seem to be shared selectively in a complex network of family, friends and trusted colleagues. "	[08:29]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109036 << they actually implemented that ?	[08:29]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 04:35:24; davout: their latest solution "check the referer herp derp" leaves me without words	[08:29]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109039 << seems to me it's more like "we pick an optimal electron repose energy"	[08:32]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 04:37:07; asciilifeform: what's next, we can't pick an optimal mains voltage ?	[08:32]
mircea_popescu	which you know... if they could be made differently more people would have access to electrons!	[08:32]
mircea_popescu	aaand wd mats!	[08:34]
miaviator	Michail1 midnightmagic mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[08:35]
mircea_popescu	mike_c http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/ << dat shit's the tits, it has earned a spot in my "always on" list of tabs. and not even that far down the list, either!	[08:36]
assbot	WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1aXLcek )	[08:36]
mircea_popescu	thanks and love!	[08:36]
mircea_popescu	!rated mike_c	[08:36]
assbot	You rated user mike_c on 25-Jun-2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: We're partners in WoL. He also runs btcalpha.com, which is a standard for Bitcoin reporting..	[08:36]
mircea_popescu	!rate mike_c 4 He's been doing cool shit for years.	[08:36]
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mircea_popescu	!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.mike_c.4:653bdc8294b5de053f1d44a45f0cee61dd1fa55e80c9fddf919787223bc8fbb2	[08:37]
assbot	Successfully updated the rating for mike_c from 3 to 4 with note: He's been doing cool shit for years.	[08:37]
mircea_popescu	mike_c can it has anchor on "Ratings sent" and "ratings received" ?	[08:38]
mircea_popescu	;;seen dub	[08:41]
gribble	dub was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 weeks, 1 day, 14 hours, 38 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: thats an interesting one for france given cambodia	[08:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29346 @ 0.00027787 = 8.1544 BTC [-]	[08:42]
williamdunne	!rate mike_c 1 WoT on btcalpha	[08:43]
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williamdunne	!v assbot:williamdunne.rate.mike_c.1:f1e4a31471dbf17719c015bd64bcb65b4ac54604bfd41508506cfa2e782ffc64	[08:43]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for mike_c with note: WoT on btcalpha	[08:43]
mircea_popescu	;;seen diametric	[08:49]
gribble	diametric was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 6 days, 14 hours, 44 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/04/10/1541258/florida-teen-charged-with-felony-hacking-for-changing-desktop-wallpaper	[08:49]
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mircea_popescu	;;seen fabianb	[08:56]
gribble	fabianb was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 weeks, 6 days, 19 hours, 35 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: not down but very slow it seems	[08:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46904 @ 0.00028681 = 13.4525 BTC [+]	[08:59]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell mike_c other than anchors : can tables be sorted ? (yes it can, in the head and then class="sortable" in the table)	[09:13]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[09:13]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell mike_c also, any idea why some rating comments appear empty ?	[09:16]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[09:16]
mircea_popescu	that whole wot svg is under 1mb even. great.	[09:19]
mircea_popescu	!up dub	[09:19]
-assbot-	You voiced dub for 30 minutes.	[09:19]
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dub	hi2u	[09:20]
mircea_popescu	you know you can self up	[09:20]
dub	my key is secured by lazy	[09:20]
mircea_popescu	lol	[09:20]
dub	how rolls?	[09:21]
mircea_popescu	not bad, not bad. conference last week, fetlife this week...	[09:21]
scoopbot_revived	News! A new Lordship List ? URL: http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-lordship-list/	[09:21]
assbot	Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HzA6cq )	[09:21]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla any idea why assbot keeps finding pages not found ? adds something after url maybe ?	[09:22]
mircea_popescu	oh uses direct ip reference.	[09:22]
jurov	no http/1.1-compatible library is good enough for assbot	[09:23]
mircea_popescu	im prolly the culprit here actually.	[09:23]
jurov	lol how so?	[09:24]
dub	wondered when I would fall off the list	[09:24]
mircea_popescu	jurov i vaguely recall asking kako to reference by ip at some point	[09:24]
mircea_popescu	dub also secured by lazy!	[09:24]
dub	hey now! meatspace can be busy	[09:25]
mircea_popescu	that it can.	[09:26]
mircea_popescu	ahhh it's nice to have the wot website back!	[09:27]
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williamdunne	Its pretty, too	[09:33]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109086 << that's the problem, it will make people think they';re running nodes who aren't.	[09:35]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 10:18:03; williamdunne: Sorry, you're right	[09:35]
mircea_popescu	but yes, broadly speaking the efforts of power rangers are irrelevant to bitcoin.	[09:36]
mircea_popescu	so dun much matter one way or teh other.	[09:36]
williamdunne	Personally I reckon it'll just have more people running semi-nodes, rather than less people running full	[09:36]
williamdunne	Especially as the blockchain is starting to get too big for cheap VPS systems used for most services	[09:37]
mircea_popescu	i imagine what it'll actually lead to is more people with full nodes running longer shitlists of AOL type nodes.	[09:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59600 @ 0.00027851 = 16.5992 BTC [-]	[09:37]
BingoBoingo	I really fail to see much difference between the pruning nodes and the pseudo-nodes	[09:37]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo well that may be because there isn't one.	[09:37]
williamdunne	BingoBoingo: Pruning nodes can still validate transactions with recent inputs can they not? Or do they store all inputs. Need to read how it works	[09:38]
williamdunne	*all unspent outputs	[09:38]
williamdunne	Whereas pseudo-nodes just tell everyone everything	[09:39]
mircea_popescu	'pruning' offers a guarantee that the node won't be able to offer you a block which contains all spent outputs.	[09:39]
BingoBoingo	williamdunne: Problem isn't the unspent tx set, it is the blocks	[09:39]
mircea_popescu	which is how it saves space.	[09:39]
williamdunne	BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I need to read up on it first before commenting	[09:39]
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mircea_popescu	there isn't anything particularly wrong with the approach, much like there isn't anything wrong with holding up a sign, or drinking a cup of coffee.	[09:40]
BingoBoingo	It's hard enough to find sync worthy nodes in the wild as is	[09:40]
mircea_popescu	once people involved start imagining that holding up signs / drinking coffee is relevant to bitcoin, they have somewhat of a problem	[09:40]
mircea_popescu	but considering the rest of the problems they have, to them it's minor, and to us... well we didn't care before, either.	[09:40]
williamdunne	Okay, so from a little reading it does seem that they keep the full unspent TX set. While they can't provide all the blocks to someone who wants everything from the genesis it does seem like a pretty big improvement to me - should see a lot more verifying nodes - no?	[09:44]
mircea_popescu	verifying nodes, yes.	[09:44]
mircea_popescu	this is not particularly useful tho, once you have 10 nodes doing verification, it's done. what's X gonna find that Y does not ?	[09:44]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile, the important function of nodes is storage.	[09:44]
williamdunne	Verifying nodes are good for those that care about accepting unconfirmed tx/s IIRC	[09:45]
mircea_popescu	it's the usg playbook : give more people the illusion of participation, so you can take more control of the underlying processes.	[09:45]
mircea_popescu	williamdunne explain how ? verification doesn't happen faster for having more nodes doing it.	[09:45]
mircea_popescu	it may happen closer to you geographically, but w/e.	[09:46]
williamdunne	Something to do with propogation	[09:46]
mircea_popescu	at best a log.	[09:46]
mircea_popescu	but people who actually care about 0tx are currently in practice and are in theory much better served by just keeping vpn links to actual main nodes.	[09:46]
williamdunne	Thats what most of them do anyway, no? i.e in Electrum	[09:47]
mircea_popescu	prolly.	[09:47]
williamdunne	Seems like it can only be beneficial if it moves some away from Electrum and onto verifying nodes	[09:48]
BingoBoingo	williamdunne: Electrum just does http/TLS	[09:48]
mircea_popescu	anyway, it's a toy, like any other. people learning and kids are more than welcome to their fun, what.	[09:48]
jurov	no it uses stratum/ssl but that's a tech detail	[09:48]
williamdunne	BingoBoingo: They connect to a single node, who you would assume is fairly well connected	[09:48]
BingoBoingo	ty jurov	[09:49]
BingoBoingo	williamdunne: I really don't see how people could use electrum without their own node/server (hug-e pain)	[09:50]
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mircea_popescu	btw, mod6, ben_vulpes, erryone : News! A new Lordship List ? URL: http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-lordship-list/	[09:50]
assbot	Page not found on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HzA6cq )	[09:50]
mircea_popescu	if comments etc.	[09:50]
jurov	BingoBoingo: if you don't mind server knowing your addresses, then it's fine. otherwise, i agree	[09:51]
williamdunne	BingoBoingo: It used to be okay, I wouldn't want to use it now but did its job fine	[09:53]
jurov	what changed?	[09:53]
BingoBoingo	jurov: Yeah. Then there's public servers that just suck. Laggy, don't always send updates, potential chance they could begin lying.	[09:54]
williamdunne	I'll be on that list someday :'(	[09:54]
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jurov	yes, bitcoin node using real database is needed... then electrum server would only need to add its indexes	[09:55]
mircea_popescu	williamdunne certainly if you keep going at the present rate o.O	[09:56]
williamdunne	BingoBoingo: Yeah, I originally quit using them because I could never connect	[09:56]
williamdunne	mircea_popescu: I have no intention of slowing down	[09:56]
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williamdunne	!s summary?	[09:57]
williamdunne	Oh shit, assbot is down	[09:58]
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williamdunne	!s summary?	[09:58]
assbot	259 results for 'summary?' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=summary%3F	[09:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36142 @ 0.00028198 = 10.1913 BTC [+] {2}	[09:59]
kakobrekla	News! A new Lordship List ? URL: http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-lordship-list/	[09:59]
assbot	A new Lordship List ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcCGVC )	[09:59]
williamdunne	Quick fix	[09:59]
mircea_popescu	yay ty kako	[09:59]
BingoBoingo	ty kakobrekla http://www.picturesdepot.com/photo/p/pacman_cookies-4127.jpg	[10:05]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KcDFFl )	[10:05]
mircea_popescu	" the line to get on the elevator was a good hour long."	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	holy shit.	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	who, for what reason, would ever put themselves in this situation ?	[10:07]
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kakobrekla	!gettrust links to mikes creation now	[10:11]
assbot	links and to are not registered in WoT.	[10:11]
mircea_popescu	!gettrust kakobrekla	[10:12]
williamdunne	1/10	[10:12]
assbot	Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 5, Level 2: 60 via 34 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=kakobrekla \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/kakobrekla/	[10:12]
williamdunne	10/10	[10:12]
mircea_popescu	epic.	[10:12]
mircea_popescu	-5 anduck 1.0 74 83 Dec. 22, 2014 idiot. does not understand how bitcoin works.	[10:12]
mircea_popescu	lawl	[10:12]
williamdunne	!bitcoin-otc fork	[10:17]
williamdunne	!s bitcoin-otc fork	[10:17]
assbot	0 results for 'bitcoin-otc fork' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitcoin-otc+fork	[10:17]
williamdunne	!s fork	[10:17]
assbot	686 results for 'fork' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fork	[10:17]
mircea_popescu	what are you looking for ?	[10:18]
williamdunne	The reason behind forking from bitcoin-otc	[10:19]
williamdunne	Something about downtime and a vulnerability is what I read on btcalpha but not much detail as to exactly what	[10:19]
mircea_popescu	gribble went down at some point. this is rare, but whatever, happens. nanotube was also unresponsive. after a few days in this position assbot got enabled to wot	[10:20]
mircea_popescu	turns out the guy was just traveling at the time (was right around the new year).	[10:20]
williamdunne	Ah, so sort of just bad luck?	[10:22]
mircea_popescu	well at that time you couldn't tell what happened. for all you know, nano was usg-kidnapped.	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	wot is a crucial bit of infrastructure, and so it's watched and protected accordingly.	[10:23]
williamdunne	It'd be nice if they could connect, especially as they can still verify the signatures on each.	[10:23]
williamdunne	Yeah I understand why it was done - not criticizing it at all	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	in fairness, prolly a lot more crucial here than in -otc, so some sort of decoupling was probably unavoidable.	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	williamdunne there was some discussion re making them communicate, but no concrete steps towards gribble becoming able to sign its stuff so far.	[10:24]
mircea_popescu	otherwise it could probably happen in a day.	[10:24]
williamdunne	Yeah not exactly a big software job. Can be done in a few hours if that	[10:25]
mircea_popescu	what i imagine is the case is - nano was planning to make an upgraded gribble for what, coupla years now. he's probably thinking to have it done in one piece.	[10:25]
mircea_popescu	speculating because well, never heard anything specific on the topic.	[10:26]
williamdunne	Kinda pathetic if you've been intending to do something for a couple of years and it still hasn't happened (assuming the only constraint is time)	[10:26]
mircea_popescu	to quote dub, "meatspace can be busy"	[10:27]
mircea_popescu	besides, erryone gets to set their own priorities and so on.	[10:27]
williamdunne	Sure, but even the bottom of my list can expect to be done within 6 months	[10:28]
williamdunne	Maybe I'm just being unfair	[10:28]
mircea_popescu	what can i tell ya.	[10:28]
BingoBoingo	list bottoms tend to be downwardly mobile	[10:31]
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scoopbot_revived	News! New Web of Trust Web Explorer URL: http://qntra.net/2015/04/new-web-of-trust-web-explorer/	[10:35]
assbot	New Web of Trust Web Explorer \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcIjmA )	[10:35]
pete_dushenski	goooood morning!	[10:36]
pete_dushenski	let's see if this testpost works on scoopbot_revived...	[10:37]
williamdunne	I'll be happy to fix it if it doesn't	[10:37]
scoopbot_revived	News! scoopbot_revived testpost URL: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/24/scoopbot_revived-testpost/	[10:37]
assbot	scoopbot_revived testpost \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1bAyWSk )	[10:37]
williamdunne	Lol, good timing	[10:38]
pete_dushenski	beautiful. so, so beautiful.	[10:38]
mircea_popescu	check it out pete_dushenski !	[10:38]
mircea_popescu	poor guy was belabouring with this for months.	[10:38]
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pete_dushenski	lol you dun understand how sad i was when i first scanned the logs for the post i published early early this morning/late last night... and it wasn't there	[10:39]
pete_dushenski	but williamdunne, you did it. wd!	[10:39]
williamdunne	Thank you very much :)	[10:40]
pete_dushenski	http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/24/narrated-video-of-the-poem-stop-all-the-clocks-again/ << for mircea_popescu and whoever else likes his poetry but wonders how it'd sound spoken by yours truly	[10:41]
assbot	Narrated video of the poem ‘Stop all the clocks (again)’ \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1bAzA2b )	[10:41]
williamdunne	Yeah it broke this morning because there was some error checking missing and btctrading broke it	[10:41]
pete_dushenski	!gettrust williamdunne	[10:41]
assbot	Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user williamdunne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=pete_dushenski&to=williamdunne \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/williamdunne/	[10:41]
williamdunne	pete_dushenski: Oh, and mike did a new trust thingy	[10:41]
pete_dushenski	^heh btcalpha link	[10:41]
mircea_popescu	"Your browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats available. Click here to visit our frequently asked questions about HTML5 video."	[10:41]
mircea_popescu	a sadness is me!	[10:41]
pete_dushenski	negro please!	[10:42]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: you can't watch html5 video?	[10:42]
pete_dushenski	flash... i get	[10:42]
mircea_popescu	i can, this isn't.	[10:42]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski also in the news, you didn't send a pingback.	[10:42]
pete_dushenski	well trackbacks, but i know what you mean. the things are borked	[10:45]
pete_dushenski	i've received the last few from qntra, but missed a few before that..	[10:45]
pete_dushenski	pretty sure the last one from trilema didn't come through	[10:45]
mircea_popescu	lemme run that script thingee	[10:46]
pete_dushenski	i know for a fact that you linked to http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/30/how-to-become-a-good-poker-player-translated/	[10:46]
assbot	How to become a good poker player, translated. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcKq9Y )	[10:46]
pete_dushenski	improving upon my meagre translation and whatnot	[10:47]
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pete_dushenski	k, this video is getting moved over to vimeo.	[10:55]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski i got to it meanwjilr	[10:55]
mircea_popescu	manwhile*	[10:55]
pete_dushenski	ah different browser ?	[10:55]
jurov	http://www.coindesk.com/sec-bitcoin-exchange-60000-securities-violations/ burnside got burned	[10:56]
assbot	SEC Fines Defunct Bitcoin Exchange Operator $68,000 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcLQkO )	[10:56]
mircea_popescu	so this is why 100k ?	[10:56]
mircea_popescu	"The issuers paid 11,450 LTC and 210 BTC in listing fees, respectively."	[10:57]
mircea_popescu	orly.	[10:57]
jurov	;;seen burnside	[10:58]
gribble	burnside was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 39 weeks, 0 days, 19 hours, 18 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: lol	[10:58]
mircea_popescu	" and in a memorable email exchange said it was investigating exchange MPEx owner Mircea Popescu over the sale of popular gambling site SatoshiDICE for over $11.5m in bitcoin."	[10:59]
mircea_popescu	umm... it said that ?!	[10:59]
mircea_popescu	;;seen justusranvier	[10:59]
gribble	justusranvier was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 28 weeks, 1 day, 13 hours, 57 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: On the plus side, this arrangement means I can run Skype in a virtualized sandbox that's far away from my real desktop	[10:59]
BingoBoingo	lol http://qntra.net/2014/12/ethan-burnside-fined-by-sec/	[11:01]
assbot	Ethan Burnside Fined By SEC \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcMuyV )	[11:01]
williamdunne	I still don;t understand who the hell would launch that from inside the US? Like srsly. Its not even opsec at this point, its just about not being goddam mentally handicapped	[11:02]
pete_dushenski	heh.	[11:02]
mircea_popescu	the guy had issues. if you think you can swallow a tractor, then by the same head you will probably also think you can swallow it underwater.	[11:03]
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mircea_popescu	it's this entire "empowerment" idiocy going around the english space these decades.	[11:03]
williamdunne	Thats a great analogy. I like that.	[11:03]
williamdunne	"I can do anything if I put my mind to it"	[11:03]
williamdunne	Then again, thats kinda hypocritical because I treat my own aspirations with that mentality	[11:04]
mike_c	mircea_popescu: yes, I'll add JS sorting to the tables that fit on a page.	[11:04]
mike_c	re: empty comments, some ratings don't have a comment.	[11:04]
mircea_popescu	mike_c from experience, even tables with > 10k entries are sortable. just takes a sec.	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	but it only engages if someone clicks a header. so pretty safe.	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-v/ << it's deployed there for instance if you wanna play with it.	[11:06]
mike_c	yeah. for the main table (7500 users), I'll make a separate page with the whole list.	[11:06]
assbot	The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume V on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcNaEz )	[11:06]
pete_dushenski	;;seen artifexd	[11:07]
gribble	artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 15 hours, 45 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.	[11:07]
pete_dushenski	ah good.	[11:07]
mircea_popescu	that happens to be 7015 rows	[11:07]
mats	https://developers.yubico.com/ykneo-openpgp/SecurityAdvisory%202015-04-14.html	[11:10]
assbot	SecurityAdvisory 2015-04-14 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcNGSW )	[11:10]
pete_dushenski	lol nfc	[11:10]
mats	> Yubikey NEO (JavaCard OpenPGP) private key operations can be accessed without PIN	[11:11]
mircea_popescu	heh	[11:12]
mircea_popescu	well if they make it so it can also be accessed without a card, i'm probably getting an infinity of them.	[11:12]
BingoBoingo	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/33mqle/charlie_shrem_gets_2_years_in_prison_for_selling/cqmhr0m	[11:13]
assbot	reddit_sucks2 comments on Charlie Shrem gets 2 years in prison for selling bitcoins while former CIA director gets 2 years probation for telling a whore national security secrets. ... ( http://bit.ly/1d99XG8 )	[11:13]
mircea_popescu	doesn't this disparity seem scandalous ? whence the gall to "punish" a cia boss.	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	i'd be seriously insulted if i actually were to take the us seriously.	[11:15]
mircea_popescu	but in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/13a65924dd40031e1bfa04f4ca4d8bef/tumblr_n0l44cfPpU1revz5to3_500.gif	[11:15]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KcOvuS )	[11:16]
BingoBoingo	I'm just surprised at the outrage over calling a woman who traded sex for advantage an applicable label	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	i think the applicable label is "socialite"	[11:17]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: so... trackback ? thoughts on poem narration ?	[11:21]
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BingoBoingo	Nah, that was the other mistress. MistressLeak lack the appropriate social background	[11:21]
williamdunne	Not sure what that guy thinks he is doing in the background	[11:26]
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mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski well it sounds just like a pete d!	[11:39]
mircea_popescu	!up austeritysucks	[11:39]
-assbot-	You voiced austeritysucks for 30 minutes.	[11:39]
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mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski and i resent trackbacks ten minutes ago or os.	[11:39]
pete_dushenski	lol there's no masking the bare fact that my voice is... my voice.	[11:40]
pete_dushenski	in any event, i was reasonably pleased with the result.	[11:40]
pete_dushenski	some of the flows in that poem were awkward to say the least	[11:40]
pete_dushenski	'every single feather of each single dove' wants to be 'every single feather of every single dove'	[11:41]
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mircea_popescu	it's made like a gauntlet for the reader, that's for sure.	[11:43]
mircea_popescu	also gl with stuff like sea you see and so on.	[11:43]
mircea_popescu	thing's spiked all the way.	[11:44]
pete_dushenski	sea you see wasn't bad at all, i quite liked that line	[11:48]
pete_dushenski	even 'gloomly', though unusual, works	[11:48]
pete_dushenski	the third and fourth stanzas tripped me up the most	[11:49]
BingoBoingo	Oh, mike_c has a choice, to feel prouds or shames https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/33pn2t/new_bitcoin_web_of_trust_explorer/	[11:49]
assbot	New Bitcoin Web of Trust Explorer : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pv2rDy )	[11:49]
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mike_c	uh oh, btcalpha has officially jumped the shark now :)	[11:57]
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BingoBoingo	Seriously, mike_c You almist might have to get back to monthly blogging. Maybe even speed up to weekly	[12:02]
mike_c	yeah, I got to get back to it.	[12:04]
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pete_dushenski	williamdunne: no cloak on your nick eh.	[12:05]
williamdunne	Eh, not too concerned about it	[12:06]
Pierre_Rochard	williamdunne: I had to get one when my home IP address started getting DDOSed	[12:07]
williamdunne	If that happens I'll go for it, retroactively though. It'd be an inconvenience at most	[12:08]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 900 @ 0.00202686 = 1.8242 BTC [+] {13}	[12:44]
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mats	AMZN ticker is ridiculous	[13:03]
pete_dushenski	+15%. whoa.	[13:05]
mats	closed yesterday at 390 with uncertainty premium due to earnings report, opens at 440	[13:05]
funkenstein_	people love the unverifiable numbers they reported i guess	[13:10]
pete_dushenski	'people'	[13:11]
funkenstein_	i should take that back, I have no clue who the relevant market makers are here	[13:11]
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pete_dushenski	figure it's banks and whatever funds.	[13:17]
mats	i started buying AMZN after it became clear they had intentions of becoming a USG contractor	[13:17]
pete_dushenski	well played. when was this ?	[13:18]
pete_dushenski	http://business.financialpost.com/news/fp-street/here-are-the-most-cringeworthy-chat-message-that-landed-deutsche-bank-with-a-record-us2-5b-fine << speaking of market makers	[13:18]
assbot	Here are the most cringeworthy chat messages that landed Deutsche Bank with a US$2.5B rate-rigging fine \| Financial Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gr3nHD )	[13:18]
pete_dushenski	"COULD WE PLS HAVE A LOW 6MTH FIX TODAY OLD BEAN?"	[13:19]
mats	http://fcw.com/articles/2013/03/18/amazon-cia-cloud.aspx	[13:20]
assbot	Amazon and CIA ink cloud deal -- FCW ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gr3PFO )	[13:20]
williamdunne	Nice to see some civility in the markets	[13:21]
Pierre_Rochard	what’s cringeworthy about those chat messages?	[13:21]
williamdunne	I suppose the "cringe" is about how brazen it was	[13:21]
williamdunne	Like "ooohhh and theres 2.5b gone"	[13:22]
williamdunne	"There is the near entirety of bitcoin's market cap gone"	[13:22]
Pierre_Rochard	also, traders getting blamed for poorly designed “market” mechanisms… I liken it to the stanford prison experiment - what exactly were you expecting?	[13:22]
pete_dushenski	'don't blame the bankers/jooz'	[13:23]
pete_dushenski	mats: ah wd.	[13:23]
williamdunne	What do "jooz" have to do with it?	[13:23]
pete_dushenski	scapegoat par excellence ?	[13:24]
williamdunne	"COULD WE PLS HAVE A LOW 6MTH FIX TODAY OLD YID?"	[13:24]
Pierre_Rochard	well - some of the execs who designed this certainly deserve blame, some of which may coincidentally be bankers/jooz… all of them likely long retired/dead	[13:24]
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Pierre_Rochard	but really I’d cast blame on the lemmings who use LIBOR for everything and anything	[13:25]
pete_dushenski	not sure how much of a coincidence it is that those in positions of influence, who needed to be leveraged by the state and 'the consumers who've come to expect', would be bankers and/or jooz	[13:28]
pete_dushenski	so the state leveraged those of influence, and were leveraged in turn	[13:28]
pete_dushenski	and both grew larger. and larger.	[13:28]
pete_dushenski	and the incentives inherent in large organisations became manifest until we arrived here.	[13:29]
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Pierre_Rochard	my point was only that traders gonna trade. The real cringeworthiness happened in 1984 when some old beans decided this was an acceptable way of doing business	[13:38]
williamdunne	pete_dushenski: Is it not generally accepted that banking/law etc is engrained into Jewish culture	[13:38]
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williamdunne	pete_dushenski: Exactly where we are now	[13:41]
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williamdunne	pete_dushenski: A world where Jews are over-represented in banking and law?	[13:44]
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pete_dushenski	williamdunne: define 'over-represented'. compared to what ? somalis ?	[13:46]
williamdunne	pete_dushenski: The statistical average	[13:46]
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pete_dushenski	williamdunne: human skill and intelligence aren't on a gaussian distribution. average is meaningless in this context and by extension any relationship to it.	[13:48]
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williamdunne	pete_dushenski: Doesn't seem irrelevant when comparing subsets of the wider context	[13:49]
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pete_dushenski	williamdunne: that's like saying that crack cocaine makes a lot of sense when you're living among homeless people in dumpsters.	[13:50]
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pete_dushenski	williamdunne: not at all. and nor do i. just that the context has never and will never be evenly distributed. so no averages. so no predictions. no 'over-represented'	[13:52]
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williamdunne	pete_dushenski: fair nuff'	[13:57]
williamdunne	So whats with all the unrating going on today	[13:57]
pete_dushenski	housecleaning friday!	[13:58]
danielpbarron	pretty user interface is driving adoption!	[14:01]
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danielpbarron	i had to look that word up. seems to mean "warehouse keeper"	[14:08]
pete_dushenski	nubbins`: i heard about these being sent out. didn't know they came pgp-signed!	[14:08]
nubbins`	well, they come "pgp"-"signed"/	[14:09]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: this is not the first time i recall seeing pgp 'sprayed on for flavour'	[14:09]
nubbins`	asciilifeform unfortunately, sprayed-on PGP indicates to me that this email is fraudulent	[14:10]
nubbins`	so into the trash it goes	[14:10]
nubbins`	and i have explicitly not been notified of any infringement activity	[14:11]
nubbins`	funny how that works?	[14:11]
williamdunne	nubbins`: Wait, did you have to type in the PGP sig?	[14:12]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: out of curiosity, can you post the bad sig ?	[14:12]
asciilifeform	or at least the key fp in it	[14:12]
williamdunne	Oh, was an email	[14:13]
nubbins`	0xDE4B33712DAACFD6	[14:13]
nubbins`	^ lelelel there's ONE google result	[14:13]
nubbins`	http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xDE4B33712DAACFD6	[14:14]
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nubbins`	aww, they have their own infringement XML schema	[14:15]
nubbins`	http://www.acns.net/v1.2/ACNS2v1_2.xsd	[14:15]
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nubbins`	Normal <<< phew	[14:16]
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nubbins`	hm can i see all my rates?	[14:20]
mike_c	http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/nubbins%60/	[14:20]
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nubbins`	ty	[14:20]
asciilifeform	mike_c: iirc updated daily ?	[14:21]
mike_c	yes, kako dumps the DB daily and I suck it up.	[14:21]
nubbins`	that's what the lady said to the sailor	[14:22]
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mike_c	hehe. it's kakos all the way down.	[14:28]
mats	pgp sig is SOP for DMCA notices	[14:29]
nubbins`	is it SOP for the sig to be invalid?	[14:29]
mats	happens a lot	[14:29]
*	nubbins` rolls eyes	[14:29]
nubbins`	this is like being arrested by a cop with a tin badge	[14:30]
asciilifeform	cardboard badge.	[14:30]
asciilifeform	cut out of children's magazine	[14:31]
mats	what are you doing to trigger an HBO infringement notice? try to catch some GoT on TPB?	[14:33]
pete_dushenski	wow, even msft +10% today. nasdaqsanity.	[14:37]
funkenstein_	hi nubbins, i am guessing edk2000	[14:39]
Pierre_Rochard	re msft: “Sales of Office 365 Home and Personal subscriptions were up 35 percent sequentially” <= people can’t afford to “own” office anymore, they rent it one month at a time	[14:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37904 @ 0.00028671 = 10.8675 BTC [+] {2}	[14:42]
Pierre_Rochard	leftists speak of financialization of the economy over the past ~40 years, seems as though this new era is timeshareization	[14:42]
mats	http://www.realworldtech.com/intel-10nm-qwfet/	[14:45]
assbot	What's Next for Moore's Law? For Intel, III+V = 10nm QWFETs ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCu7T1 )	[14:45]
mats	http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2100133.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Hundreds-of-thousands-of-people-crowd-Copacabana-beach-in-Rio-de-Janeiro-waiting-for-the-arrival-of-Pope-Francis.jpg	[14:57]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JCww00 )	[14:57]
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ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108323 << how would we know?	[15:40]
assbot	Logged on 23-04-2015 16:16:55; mircea_popescu: we might well discover that actually 1mb is way too much, and all we can afford is less.	[15:40]
*	assbot gives voice to Adlai	[15:42]
Adlai	hashrate dropping too low -> need to increase mining subsidy, either by raising btc/fiat, or increasing tx fee competition	[15:45]
Adlai	ben_vulpes: https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-wizards/2015-04-24/?msg=37446878&page=3	[15:47]
assbot	IRC Logs for #bitcoin-wizards \| BotBot.me [o__o] ... ( http://bit.ly/1Olrdsy )	[15:47]
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Adlai	the nice thing about reducing blocksize is that the N largest miners could just agree to not produce larger blocks, and that would raise tx fees through market forces	[15:50]
Pierre_Rochard	Adlai: agreed, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#986290	[15:51]
assbot	Logged on 21-01-2015 18:35:01; gavinandresen: Pierre_Rochard: if Satoshi hadn’t slapped on a 1MB blocksize limit, would you be lobbying for a hardfork now to impose one?	[15:51]
Adlai	bitcoin inflation relative to fiat prices is high enough that it's a non-issue... atm	[15:52]
Adlai	let's see what happens in a halving or two :)	[15:53]
Pierre_Rochard	I think it’s an issue today if we take into account NPV calculations - if gavincoin has zero future fee revenue, that has an immediate effect on the expected return of mining over the long run. Not sure that it would move the needle on today’s asic capex	[15:54]
Pierre_Rochard	(having uncertainty around it alone increases the npv discount rate)	[15:55]
*	ben_vulpes is entirely out of his depth	[15:55]
*	Adlai is increasingly skeptical regarding the relevance of gavin's blocksize plans	[15:56]
ben_vulpes	lol well we nuked it	[15:56]
Adlai	let's say that i'm equally worried about gavincoin and the bitlicense	[15:56]
*	Pierre_Rochard wishes those advocating for larger block size limit realized the current limit is having _zero_ effect on adoption/price and that will continue to be the case for a while if not forever	[15:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94272 @ 0.00029351 = 27.6698 BTC [+]	[15:57]
Adlai	but but but fees are driving pay-to-dust sites out of business	[15:58]
Adlai	we must preserve bitcoin's core business model!	[15:58]
Pierre_Rochard	I’m pro-bitlicense, render unto caesar...	[15:58]
williamdunne	Pierre_Rochard: In fairness thats about the same as saying my internet speeds today aren't affecting my ability to do things, so it won't in the future.	[15:59]
davout	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109641 <<< incidentally that's the same argument gavin is making with his "miners cartel"	[15:59]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 18:45:19; Adlai: the nice thing about reducing blocksize is that the N largest miners could just agree to not produce larger blocks, and that would raise tx fees through market forces	[15:59]
Pierre_Rochard	williamdunne: it’s the same as saying your internet provider can continue charging you through the nose and you’ll continue thanking them for the privilege - inelasticity of demand	[15:59]
davout	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109651 <<< how's the bitlicense even worth the mention?	[16:00]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 18:51:37; Adlai: let's say that i'm equally worried about gavincoin and the bitlicense	[16:00]
Adlai	davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-04-2015#1109647	[16:00]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 18:50:38; Pierre_Rochard: (having uncertainty around it alone increases the npv discount rate)	[16:00]
davout	wat	[16:01]
williamdunne	Pierre_Rochard: 1mb blocksize is inelasticity of supply, is it not?	[16:01]
williamdunne	I'm not promoting Gavin's proposal, as it is definitely stupid	[16:01]
williamdunne	But does seem like the block-size will need to increase at some stage(s) if we're to continue growth	[16:02]
Pierre_Rochard	williamdunne: yes, supply inelasticity meets demand inelasticity -> high transaction fees -> high hash rate -> maximize security	[16:02]
danielpbarron	who is caesar?	[16:02]
Pierre_Rochard	NYDFS	[16:02]
williamdunne	Pierre_Rochard: But also makes it less appealing. Security isn't the only objective	[16:03]
danielpbarron	when did rome fall? at what point is caesar no longer caesar?	[16:03]
Adlai	davout: both gavincoin and the bitlicense are clouds on the horizon. some people sell coins for raincoats and umbrellas... though they may be wiser to stick a wet finger in the air	[16:03]
funkenstein_	high TX fees also compete with off chain solutions	[16:03]
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Pierre_Rochard	williamdunne: I agree, demand destruction is part of revenue maximization, pushes the hoi polloi onto off-chain alternatives	[16:03]
*	assbot gives voice to bitstein	[16:04]
ben_vulpes	But does seem like the block-size will need to increase at some stage(s) if we're to continue growth << dude again with this growth bugaboo	[16:04]
Adlai	oh i know how we can turn reddit against gavincoin... the blocksize limit is good for changetip!	[16:04]
williamdunne	Pierre_Rochard: Would it not be preferable to be in a situation where blocks are routinely filled at low-ish fees.	[16:04]
ben_vulpes	fuck off and DIE	[16:04]
williamdunne	ben_vulpes: I know you disagree, but I personally would like to see more people/companies/whatevers using bitcoin	[16:04]
davout	Adlai: the bitlicense is to bitcoin what US raw milk regulations are to roquefort, not fucking worth the mention	[16:05]
*	danielpbarron strongly suspects that the greatest impediment to growth is cleaning up the code	[16:05]
Adlai	williamdunne: and i would like to see the people who _use_ bitcoin paying for its security, rather than the people who hold it	[16:05]
*	Pierre_Rochard would vote for “time” as the strongest impediment to growth	[16:05]
Adlai	"use" as in "spend"	[16:05]
ben_vulpes	williamdunne: the people i want using bitcoin take one look at the source and run screaming, as they should	[16:05]
Adlai	the security is being paid for one way or another; currently, the main way is inflation	[16:06]
williamdunne	Adlai: We're in agreement there, I'm not suggesting that we're ever to put ourselves in a position where blocks are huge and no-one is paying. I'm just suggesting that 1mb is no way near enough for bitcoin to be bigger than it is today	[16:06]
danielpbarron	that the network could still accidentally fork over a bug is the reason we aren't seeing billions and trillions invested into bitcoin	[16:06]
funkenstein_	i think the point is more people can use bitcoin at any block size.	[16:06]
funkenstein_	it's a different payment model	[16:07]
williamdunne	funkenstein_: Pretty much. I disagree with Gavin because it essentially makes the blocks infinitely large, but I disagree with some people here because 7tx/s doesn't even cover SWIFT payments	[16:08]
Adlai	danielpbarron: well, that can always be the case... we can decrease the perceived risk through simpler code, testing, and more time since the last accidental fork, but yknow, "unknown unknowns"	[16:09]
danielpbarron	williamdunne, you got a lotta log readin' to do	[16:09]
williamdunne	danielpbarron: I'm not suggesting that bitcoin replaces SWIFT just to be clear.. I just meant because it covers giga+ payments	[16:09]
williamdunne	Where fees are the norm	[16:09]
ben_vulpes	williamdunne: stop thinking swift, start thinking halawa	[16:09]
danielpbarron	let the former swift users figure out how to fit through the new hole	[16:10]
Adlai	stop thinking either, start thinking tankers full of gold	[16:10]
ben_vulpes	Adlai: hm?	[16:10]
*	Adlai imagines hawala also has higher throughput and lower transaction importance than the hypothetical bitcoin-in-ten-halvings	[16:11]
jurov	anyone thought about how the bitcoin hawala ought to work?	[16:12]
williamdunne	jurov: Yes	[16:12]
Adlai	http://lightning.network	[16:12]
assbot	The Bitcoin Lightning Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1bpjyaW )	[16:12]
williamdunne	jurov: I designed a similar-ish system based on a network of brokerages	[16:12]
williamdunne	jurov: Somewhat trustless	[16:12]
ben_vulpes	no no, not the halawa for the muslim at the mosque	[16:13]
ben_vulpes	the halawa of cartels.	[16:13]
Adlai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-02-2015#1035451 < actually, this obviates the need for a microtransaction sidechain	[16:13]
assbot	Logged on 27-02-2015 16:28:48; ben_vulpes: http://lightning.network/lightning-network.pdf << scaling, sidechains, derpage.	[16:13]
Adlai	lightning is precisely bitcoin hawala	[16:13]
*	Adlai feeds the head, bbl	[16:14]
funkenstein_	payment channels sound great, trustless off-chain TX heaven	[16:14]
jurov	!s asciilifeform timelock	[16:14]
assbot	1 results for 'asciilifeform timelock' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=asciilifeform+timelock	[16:14]
jurov	and other discussion. it has its problems	[16:14]
ben_vulpes	Adlai: dood mpex is bitcoin halawa	[16:14]
ben_vulpes	you can push single satoshis around on mpex	[16:14]
jurov	ben_vulpes: you stretch it too much	[16:14]
ben_vulpes	jurov: come again?	[16:15]
jurov	the hawala definition	[16:15]
jurov	or you came up with this new term - halawa?	[16:15]
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ben_vulpes	i thought i was using it correctly	[16:15]
ben_vulpes	ah no hawala	[16:16]
ben_vulpes	i was always under the impression that there was no single hawala network.	[16:16]
ben_vulpes	how could there be? it is of necessity a meatwot thing.	[16:16]
funkenstein_	as i see it these channels will require private TXs, that is given directly to miners, to avoid malleability issues	[16:16]
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ben_vulpes	(entirely aside, in a fevered moment of sleeplessness on the plane from bsas i looked into ripping out the nonstandard transaction relay blocking stuff)	[16:18]
jurov	traditional hawala seems to work without much technology, why sudden need to introduce nonstd or private TXs?	[16:19]
ben_vulpes	(subject of, davout how goes the testnet excision? my digs show less than 50 mentions throughout the whole codebase)	[16:19]
funkenstein_	afaik hawala doesn't come with failsafe refunds in case somebody goes awol	[16:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 159 @ 0.016799 = 2.671 BTC [-]	[16:21]
ben_vulpes	ya well stop trying to impose derpy fiat notions on bitcoin	[16:21]
ben_vulpes	you're just going to hurt your head	[16:21]
ben_vulpes	either trust your counterparties and deal with them, or don't and don't.	[16:22]
ben_vulpes	none of this half-assed "dear state or magic maths please save me from my own derpitude"	[16:22]
davout	funkenstein_: malleability is currently being soft-forked away by power rangers	[16:22]
ben_vulpes	davout: a change to block inclusion rules?	[16:23]
funkenstein_	davout, is that all ok and likely to be folded into reference impls?	[16:23]
davout	ben_vulpes: testnet excision is easy, making the genesis block configurable is the harder part, you also need some standalone tool to generate genesis blocks	[16:23]
ben_vulpes	mhm, i see it.	[16:23]
ben_vulpes	write a standalone wallet while yer at it :P	[16:23]
ben_vulpes	(i was just thanked by someone who plugged into the same outlet as me. wtf.)	[16:24]
ben_vulpes	(outletpair, actually, and the unused one.)	[16:24]
davout	funkenstein_: dunno, if i'm asked i'm all for canonical txids	[16:24]
davout	ben_vulpes: so my plan is to start bu something easier, probably ripping out the "accounts" braindamage to get familiar with the build and patching process	[16:25]
funkenstein_	if it is as simple as adding a SIGtype, that sounds fine but my understanding was there was still some subtleties on the table and gmaxwell said wait 2 years	[16:26]
ben_vulpes	davout: my hero!	[16:26]
funkenstein_	ben_vulpes, well in fairness you do have less current available now :)	[16:27]
davout	funkenstein_: not sure what exactly is implied, so i'll refrain from commenting further	[16:27]
davout	interested in references if you have any available	[16:28]
ben_vulpes	davout: aren't txids canonical after block inclusion?	[16:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78250 @ 0.00029766 = 23.2919 BTC [+] {2}	[16:29]
davout	ben_vulpes: whichever is included in a block is frozen in the amber, but it's not necessarily the version that has canonical DER-encoded sigs	[16:29]
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funkenstein_	thanks davout, anyway I should keep better notes but I was starting here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1033396.0;all	[16:44]
assbot	Semi-soft-fork to decrease the risk of tx malleability ... ( http://bit.ly/1EA8FjG )	[16:44]
funkenstein_	and this talk seemed decent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zVzw912wPo	[16:46]
trinque	davout \| well, you, just pushing that to the extreme to show that, even though i hardly ever use it, this unstructured nosql approach sometimes is useful, and isn't inherently evil like you seem to imply << there is no such thing as unstructured data, only a question of how rigorously structured it is, and what is used to enforce that.	[16:46]
assbot	SF Bitcoin Devs Seminar: Scaling Bitcoin to Billions of Transactions Per Day - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EA931K )	[16:46]
trinque	the enforcement of structure can live in the component you're using to store data, or in your application layer	[16:46]
trinque	to the extent that you choose to implement it yourself in an application layer, your efforts will approach what is already present and has 40+ years of research behind it in relational databases	[16:47]
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trinque	you'll reinvent constraints, referential integrity, transactions, so on and so on	[16:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102750 @ 0.00029778 = 30.5969 BTC [+]	[16:51]
Pierre_Rochard	trinque: I’ve seen this first hand. Unfortunately the reinvention doesn’t happen until problems arise and the sunk costs prevent a switch to SQL	[16:51]
trinque	Pierre_Rochard: indeed, I've done it to myself	[16:52]
trinque	speaking from experience	[16:52]
Pierre_Rochard	“painted into a corner” is the phrase that comes to mind	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109367 << you actually getting any packet spam or is that thing history by now ?	[16:55]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 15:01:11; williamdunne: Eh, not too concerned about it	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109378 << this is sensible.	[16:56]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 16:12:23; mats: i started buying AMZN after it became clear they had intentions of becoming a USG contractor	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109387 "brazen chats" are like "anyone could have foreseen pirate was a scam because string pirate in name"	[16:57]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 16:16:52; williamdunne: I suppose the "cringe" is about how brazen it was	[16:57]
davout	trinque: nah, my point was that the rdbms-should-enforce-all-structure approach isn't very sensible, unless you're ok eventuall ending up with a spelling and grammar checker for your text fields	[17:00]
davout	*eventually	[17:00]
trinque	maybe we are talking past each other	[17:00]
trinque	I agree with that.	[17:00]
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trinque	davout: however, what's wrong with a before trigger that does precisely that?	[17:01]
trinque	playing devil's advocate	[17:01]
trinque	there's no real reason why the db can't be involved in application logic	[17:01]
trinque	postgresql for example is highly programmable	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109474 << you know the mathematical criteria for a set to include its average is not "even distribution"	[17:01]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 16:47:53; pete_dushenski: williamdunne: not at all. and nor do i. just that the context has never and will never be evenly distributed. so no averages. so no predictions. no 'over-represented'	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109486 << not even joking.	[17:02]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 16:56:32; danielpbarron: pretty user interface is driving adoption!	[17:02]
davout	trinque: i'm not getting dragged into "where should application logic live" debates :-)	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	o look, nubbins` survived the oven monster!	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109509 << you gotta post this thingm	[17:04]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 17:02:05; nubbins`: of note: the text of the notice was PGP-signed	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109517 << sokoban is this ancient knapsack problemizer implemented for ms-dos. it was a riot. as famous as tetris.	[17:04]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 17:03:46; danielpbarron: i had to look that word up. seems to mean "warehouse keeper"	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	http://www.sokobanonline.com/	[17:05]
assbot	Play and Build Classic and Modern Sokoban Puzzles! - Sokoban Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1EAcBkG )	[17:05]
davout	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109757 <<< interesting	[17:06]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 19:39:31; funkenstein_: thanks davout, anyway I should keep better notes but I was starting here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1033396.0;all	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	"semi soft" ?!	[17:07]
trinque	davout \| trinque: i'm not getting dragged into "where should application logic live" debates :-) << can be quite enjoyable as long as one's not personally attached to the outcome	[17:07]
trinque	obviously any truism in systems design can be undone by a particular case	[17:08]
davout	word	[17:08]
davout	on a completely unrelated note, has anyone here ever had lasik surgery?	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109573 << ahaha great rating.	[17:09]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 17:21:58; asciilifeform: !rate kakobrekla 4 expert infrastructural welder. holds up the sky.	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	davout no, because we use large fonts.	[17:09]
davout	kek	[17:09]
davout	just had it, looking for some feedback wrt dry eyes	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	i thought you had to drip-refill them every hour.	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	don't they give you a special dropper ?	[17:10]
davout	i have like 4 different ones	[17:11]
davout	i keep feeling like "hey, i should take my contacts off, they're getting dry", except there are none to take out	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	so have your bf squirt in your eyes.	[17:12]
davout	sticky eyelids? no thanks	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	but srsly : should prolly talk to the doctor. iirc this is an early sympthom.	[17:12]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109578 << so it is, except if random derps in canada are doing it.	[17:13]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 17:24:04; mats: pgp sig is SOP for DMCA notices	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	then they get butthurt when people say they have nfi what they're doing.	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109582 << problem is the ascii involved. everyone plays with the bits. usually material is singed pre-emailing, whiuch then wordwrap(80)s	[17:13]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 17:25:09; nubbins`: this is like being arrested by a cop with a tin badge	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109636 << well obvously we'd be also discovering how to know on the same ticket.	[17:15]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 18:35:31; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-04-2015#1108323 << how would we know?	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109638 << or the year is 2800 and the blockchain's too heavy. or or or.	[17:16]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 18:40:54; Adlai: hashrate dropping too low -> need to increase mining subsidy, either by raising btc/fiat, or increasing tx fee competition	[17:16]
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mircea_popescu	lol where ios this !?	[17:18]
chetty	paypal says they are changing the tou to include this	[17:18]
chetty	https://www.paypal.com/ie/webapps/mpp/ua/upcoming-policies-full?locale.x=GB	[17:19]
assbot	PayPal ... ( http://bit.ly/1EAfEZY )	[17:19]
trinque	where do they have a place to post content?	[17:19]
trinque	like if you upload a logo to your payment page, you don't own that logo?	[17:19]
chetty	so it would seem not sure what 'providing us with content means', just selling thing via them?	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	seems like it could be so construed o.O	[17:20]
trinque	seems like uploading a png is providing content yeah	[17:20]
trinque	hilarious	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	so wait, they seriously expect a claim in the trademarks of everyone selling through them ?!	[17:21]
chetty	well thats how it reads to me, but I not lawyer :P	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109646 << i don't think so. it has an effect on its relevancy for mining, not on mining itself.	[17:21]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 18:49:21; Pierre_Rochard: I think it’s an issue today if we take into account NPV calculations - if gavincoin has zero future fee revenue, that has an immediate effect on the expected return of mining over the long run. Not sure that it would move the needle on today’s asic capex	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109656 << once the commissioner duly asks for and receives his commision here, i'm all for it too.	[17:22]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 18:53:59; Pierre_Rochard: I’m pro-bitlicense, render unto caesar...	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	before, it's just fraud.	[17:22]
Pierre_Rochard	mircea_popescu: ah agreed, important distinction	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	stuff like "herp, polyanna boring printed herself a princess crown".	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	that shit's for 11yos.	[17:23]
Pierre_Rochard	well I’m a gaullist, I tend to respect sovereignties as a matter of realpolitik	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	o yeah ? how many tank divisions does the city of new york have ?	[17:23]
Pierre_Rochard	only need a swat team to raid a btc<->fiat exchange, they have a few	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109659 << you deeply misunderstand what "market forces" are.	[17:24]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 18:54:24; assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 18:45:19; Adlai: the nice thing about reducing blocksize is that the N largest miners could just agree to not produce larger blocks, and that would raise tx fees through market forces	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	Pierre_Rochard only thing that'll accomplish will be exchanges with emplaced mortar batteries and landmine perimeters.	[17:25]
trinque	I believe the term Adlai is looking for is cartel	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	i believe the education adlai lacks is the failure of "cornering the X market" historically.	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	silver being a fine example if one is superficial enough to only look at one example.	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	but, very simply put : the hand of the market is the hand bitchslapping you. the market is not your mother.	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109668 << how do you know it won't have to be lowered ?	[17:27]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 18:57:06; williamdunne: But does seem like the block-size will need to increase at some stage(s) if we're to continue growth	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	on an infinite timeline everything's equally likely, for one thing. so define your timeline. once you do that, how do you know + from - ?	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	"i'm sure" is no argument.	[17:27]
miaviator	Michail1 midnightmagic mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[17:28]
miaviator	Michail1 midnightmagic mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[17:28]
miaviator	Michail1 midnightmagic mike_c mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	mike_c : Num Ratings, Average Rating, Average Rating (Magnitude) can get a tooltip definition/explanation ?	[17:28]
mike_c	yes	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	and i derped more at you earier, dunno if you got	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109682 << speaking of ... lactic cultures, dja know the urbanization of usians is the main force in the bidet market these days ?	[17:31]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 19:00:12; davout: Adlai: the bitlicense is to bitcoin what US raw milk regulations are to roquefort, not fucking worth the mention	[17:31]
davout	iirc someone managed to build the reference implementation on OSX amirite?	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	iirc it was nubs	[17:31]
mod6	yeah.	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109683 << that, tied for preminence with "cleaning out the idiots". and i don't as much mean the random derps in the forum going about their usual derpage, as i mean people like the scam foundation, and the power rangers, and so on.	[17:32]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 19:00:14; *: danielpbarron strongly suspects that the greatest impediment to growth is cleaning up the code	[17:32]
davout	mircea_popescu mod6 ty	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	biggest impediment to adoption, gavin, vessenes, "professional" derps and so on.	[17:32]
mod6	davout: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000073.html	[17:32]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Gglvi3 )	[17:32]
davout	ah, wunderbar	[17:33]
davout	looking at it ty	[17:33]
mod6	np :]	[17:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4835 @ 0.00029778 = 1.4398 BTC [+]	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109687 << ayup.	[17:35]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 19:00:59; ben_vulpes: williamdunne: the people i want using bitcoin take one look at the source and run screaming, as they should	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	nobody can take it seriously with derps a la gavin, luke, hearn & co involved.	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109697 <<< seems to me most of the people discussing swift in bitcoin have very little experience or understanding of financial networks.	[17:38]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 19:04:56; williamdunne: Where fees are the norm	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	for one thing, a small fraction of swift movements are ~actual~ settlement transactions.	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	if the banks had to make swift work with 500 txn/day, they would, and nobody would ever know.	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	there's only ~100 of them even needing it daily, and they could just do hourly settlements among each other and be fine.	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	that they don't has everything to do with the fact that swift consts nothing (and provides nothing). bitcoin costs something, and it provides something for that cost. in spades.	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	so... inept comparison, at best.	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109733 << depends. if banker goes and gets himself lost in desert, the probate court will settle claims against him. so refunds of a sort.	[17:43]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 19:15:24; funkenstein_: afaik hawala doesn't come with failsafe refunds in case somebody goes awol	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109754 << they are, yeah.	[17:44]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 19:23:28; ben_vulpes: davout: aren't txids canonical after block inclusion?	[17:44]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform key churning started yet ? i kinda wanna peek at top while it's going	[18:02]
williamdunne	20:50:53 - mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2015#1109367 << you actually getting any packet spam or is that thing history by now ? << I've not experienced any either way	[18:04]
assbot	Logged on 24-04-2015 15:01:11; williamdunne: Eh, not too concerned about it	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	Overheard over coffee:	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	A. "In some ways, one could argue that our boss fills some roles of the man we are in a relationship with. He supports us financially, ensures we have a safe place to live, and has to accommodate our emotional instability in the work place. Is it really all that unfair of him to expect to enjoy some of the perks of being in a relationship with us, if he so chooses?"	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	B. "I have had sex with almost every boss I’ve ever had. I found myself doing things to please them that I would never do for my husband."	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	C. "I’ve got a habit of fucking my bosses too. They’re in a position of power over me, and for at least part of the day they’re my owners, so they should be able to reap the benefits of that."	[18:07]
BingoBoingo	williamdunne: The reddit police tried to impound this place with a Denial of Service bot, hard to tell if they will be back	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	was it teh reddit police ?	[18:07]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: It's what the 502 guy called himself	[18:08]
williamdunne	How heroic of them	[18:08]
BingoBoingo	!s fivezerotwo	[18:08]
assbot	202 results for 'fivezerotwo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fivezerotwo	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	i thought that was a joke.	[18:08]
BingoBoingo	Gotta take seriously that the idiots believe their pretenses	[18:11]
BingoBoingo	They have idea after all	[18:12]
BingoBoingo	Anyways, who is truly to say that reddit wouldn't hire pinkertons for $5.15 an hour	[18:15]
BingoBoingo	Or a nickle a line	[18:19]
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chetty	http://www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/noticias/2015/04/150422_volcan_calbuco_erupcion_chile_ao	[18:34]
assbot	Alerta roja en Chile por la sorpresiva erupción del volcán Calbuco - BBC Mundo ... ( http://bit.ly/1DId11D )	[18:34]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Buffalo-roaming-in-Bethlehem-6221286.php	[18:41]
assbot	All buffalo shot and killed - Times Union ... ( http://bit.ly/1EAvhAD )	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	ouch	[18:42]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: key churning started yet ? i kinda wanna peek << not yet. caught something on the plane, spent most of the time since coming home, in bed, in a kind of delirium.	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	;/	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	well on the plus side it prolly helps your immunity	[18:49]
asciilifeform	also catching up with pet, might end up like xanthyos, l0l	[18:50]
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mircea_popescu	!up jonvaage	[18:51]
-assbot-	You voiced jonvaage for 30 minutes.	[18:51]
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mircea_popescu	how did he end up ?	[18:51]
asciilifeform	in cock cast, iirc	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	oh	[18:51]
jonvaage	Thanks. How is everyone?	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	not bad.	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform maybe next conf YOU stay home, send her over then she can do all the whores.	[18:52]
asciilifeform	l0l	[18:52]
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jonvaage	Anyone ever play the board game Diplomacy?	[18:58]
asciilifeform	me.	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	the last time i played a board game i was 8, and it was "nu te supara frate". alf, did you have this ? you must've.	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CY-aApQAnM	[18:59]
assbot	Nu te supara frate...private game in birt - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIfRUp )	[18:59]
asciilifeform	pretty sure we had this. and that john nash invented it in the '50s	[19:00]
asciilifeform	in usa, where it was forgotten	[19:00]
jonvaage	Looks like "Sorry"	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	well it's not a very good game tbh.	[19:00]
asciilifeform	or was it 'hex'	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	anyway, apparently it was printed as early as the 20s	[19:01]
*	asciilifeform did not really play anything like this since early boyhood, was a semiserious chess-head for some years, then turned into very mediocre go/weichi/baduk (surprised how many folks are unable to identify it given only one of jp/cn/kr names) player	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	i kinda play go now and again as part of foreplay.	[19:02]
asciilifeform	l0l!	[19:03]
asciilifeform	chess?	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	nope	[19:03]
asciilifeform	me: 'which chess piece feels best?' woman: 'the board'	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	and now we understand why davout plays the cello.	[19:03]
asciilifeform	aha go as foreplay - do captured stones end up 'in' ?	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	has been known to occur.	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	all sorts of things can end up in. like, a can's worth of peas.	[19:04]
asciilifeform	l0l	[19:05]
*	mircea_popescu very naively went to a go friendly tournament in timisoara once, not realising that... kids.	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	they made me play with a very prepubescent 11 yo girl.	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	i... had to leave.	[19:05]
asciilifeform	mega-l0l	[19:05]
BingoBoingo	!b 3	[19:06]
assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0V2NPMZ.txt )	[19:06]
asciilifeform	it is actually one of those things, like ballet, where the best minds are the one prepubertally-deformed	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	yeah well, i'm not such a great fan of "competitive" humans.	[19:06]
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asciilifeform	the games are interesting (to an aficionado) to read.	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	the prima ballerina was never the best ballerina, at least to my taste.	[19:07]
asciilifeform	my brother, for instance, spends much of his waking time doing this.	[19:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 291026 @ 0.0002985 = 86.8713 BTC [+] {2}	[19:07]
*	asciilifeform now understands why mircea_popescu did not offer any of the c3 guests a game of go. 'no homo' (TM)	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	i don't think i ever played with a male.	[19:08]
asciilifeform	phun phakt: the top u.s. player, for many years, was a hot chick	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	and rarely if at all with a woman neither in a robe nor altogether disrobed.	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	o, really ? who ?	[19:09]
asciilifeform	j. kim i think it was	[19:09]
asciilifeform	http://senseis.xmp.net/?JaniceKim << i think this	[19:09]
assbot	Janice Kim at Sensei's Library ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIhnWu )	[19:09]
*	Adlai would be quite curious to see the mining cartel attempt to corner down a less-than-1mb blocksize, primarily because it would be Actually Good News™	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	http://8ch.net/pol/res/1817286.html heh	[19:11]
assbot	/pol/ - Dude trolls the shit out of Fetlife. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIhHVb )	[19:11]
Adlai	how does it feel to be internet famouser	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	isn't 8chan the bad one ?	[19:13]
BingoBoingo	lol https://8ch.net/pol/res/1817286.html#1825098	[19:13]
assbot	/pol/ - Dude trolls the shit out of Fetlife. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Epidw9 )	[19:13]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, nope, 8chan is the 4chan replacement seeing moot got cucked	[19:14]
BingoBoingo	8chan is where the 4chan refugees went when moot went derpitty herp herp	[19:14]
*	asciilifeform eagerly awaits 4294967296chan	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	i thought it's where all the privileged white maletriarchs go to be horrible and chauvinistic and encourage rape and stuff ?	[19:15]
cazalla	moot cuck thing went something like this http://static.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/53/5f/535f6e_5335133.jpg	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	i seem to remember reading in salami.com	[19:15]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1EpiLC5 )	[19:16]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i thought it's where all the privileged white maletriarchs go to be horrible and chauvinistic and encourage rape and stuff ? << nah, that's at 18446744073709551616chan.	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	cazalla for some stupid reason that loads nothing for me.	[19:18]
*	Pierre_Rochard is regular lurker on 8chan’s pol	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	anything good ?	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	intel points out 8chan owner was actually in here at some point.	[19:21]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, meh not really missing anything anyway	[19:21]
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asciilifeform	http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community/#comment-113887 << as far as i can tell, the thing being proposed is virtually exactly lavabit...	[19:24]
Pierre_Rochard	it covers everything outside the overton window, with a good dose of humor and absurdity to boot	[19:24]
assbot	A proper social site for the BDSM community on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIjEAT )	[19:24]
trinque	http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/24/us-usa-election-fec-idUSKBN0NF1V420150424 << fire sale, get 'em while they last!	[19:24]
assbot	FEC decision may allow more foreign money in U.S. votes, critics say	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform pretty sure lavabit had a master key	[19:25]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the subpoena concerned their ssl signing key	[19:26]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this was precisely because they did not have anything else suitable for owning the userbase	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	but the defense claimed that if they give out that key they will expose all past traffic.	[19:26]
*	asciilifeform reviews the shitpile	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#footnote_2_49734 <	[19:28]
assbot	So who's running the Courts circus ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DIkkGF )	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	"I only have the keys that govern communications into and out of the network, and those keys are used to secure the traffic for all users, not just the user in question."	[19:28]
asciilifeform	well yeah, the ssl cert	[19:29]
asciilifeform	they wanted to mitm the whole thing	[19:29]
asciilifeform	because it was the only way to get the snowden crap out	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	it's not very clear, but perhaps your reading is correct	[19:29]
asciilifeform	this, incidentally, is the core reason why in-browser crypto is intrinsically harmful	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	seems kinda contorted, the ssl key is used to "secure" pgp'd info ?	[19:30]
asciilifeform	rather than the overall poor hygience of the ecosystem	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	which is "this" ?	[19:30]
asciilifeform	the ssl key was the only way for the schmucks/users to know that they are connecting to levison's box and getting the js they thought they were getting	[19:30]
asciilifeform	rather than an identical but key-returning one	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	umm... no ?	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	schmucks can just keep a copy of yest's js and DIFF IT!!11	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	what, this is not sop ? because why ?	[19:31]
asciilifeform	if you know how to use 'diff' - you are not a schmuck	[19:31]
asciilifeform	and don't need browser-crypto for anything	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	convenience.	[19:31]
asciilifeform	convenience is the mother of calamity	[19:31]
asciilifeform	or how did it go.	[19:31]
*	asciilifeform adjusts reactor rods	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	calamity is one of the best anal sluts in the lands.	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/calamity-jane/	[19:32]
assbot	Calamity Jane on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpmNKO )	[19:32]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu leads us to an interesting observation - that no www browser ever made any kind of provision for ensuring that you are running a particular known copy of a js proggy	[19:37]
asciilifeform	though this may be for the same reason why no public toilet includes knives and forks	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	actually, this is trivial to do.	[19:38]
asciilifeform	of course trivial	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	basically an equiv of adblocker,	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	just have it use your own file for js instead of the one linked by server.	[19:38]
asciilifeform	homework-grade proggy.	[19:38]
asciilifeform	who wants - go, write.	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	well site first.	[19:39]
asciilifeform	of course, when the browser is pwned (and all modern graphical browsers are good for one or two public total-demolition pwnholes every quarter or so) the keys are out.	[19:40]
asciilifeform	hygiene is a thing.	[19:40]
asciilifeform	it is good for you. (to a degree)	[19:40]
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Pierre_Rochard	^ I’m surprised it’s not a bigger attack vector for online banking hijacks (or is it? unfamiliar with ~ cyber crime ~)	[19:41]
asciilifeform	is.	[19:41]
asciilifeform	and very much so.	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	http://8ch.net/pol/src/1429803885757.jpg << lawl ok this /pol/ thing is pretty entertaining.	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	Pierre_Rochard places that are serious about online banking mandate use of ie 10! and they get their sexurity as activex implants!	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	(this may sound like a joke. it is actually fact.)	[19:43]
asciilifeform	in kr - mandatory.	[19:43]
asciilifeform	and look into why - will blow your mind, guaranteed.	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	exaclty.	[19:43]
asciilifeform	(their local version of nsa is so impoverished that '80s-grade castrato keys must be used. the only way to achieve this is custom winblows code, rather than microshit's normal crypto api even. hence activex/exploder mandate.)	[19:44]
Pierre_Rochard	mircea_popescu: here’s a joke for you - I run a WinXP 32 bit VM so that I can use 32 bit IE8 so that I can access online bank	[19:44]
Pierre_Rochard	only version that’s compatible	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	Pierre_Rochard i've never used "online banking".	[19:46]
Pierre_Rochard	rich man / poor man	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	i do have some acct manager ppl who are technically bank clerks that i contact via pgp, which is a greast improvemnent over phone and i have nfi how they get into the systems	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	but prolly the magic of "inside the firewall no security is needed"	[19:47]
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mircea_popescu	http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2014/09/01/i-can-destroy-your-reputation-and-career-in-two-minutes-n1885724/page/full	[19:49]
assbot	I Can Destroy Your Reputation and Career in Two Minutes - Rachel Alexander - Page full ... ( http://bit.ly/1DInDgO )	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	linked for "Slimy folks like “Busta Troll” are hijacking Facebook pages of conservatives, replacing the content with goats and anti-conservative messages. Some believe a goat is used because it is a Satanic symbol; many of the conservatives are targeted because of their Christian or Jewish views."	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	yeah, totally. because idiots that are too stupid to have been online for goatse get to reinvent an alt-universe where "satanism"	[19:50]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell FelipeMicaroniLalli https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/335jn0/p2p_lending_i_just_loaned_100_peeps_bitcoin_on/ lawl	[20:04]
gribble	Error: That is an invalid IRC nick. Please check your input.	[20:04]
assbot	P2P Lending: I just loaned 100 peeps bitcoin on BTCJam. Here's some of my thoughts. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1yYIH7a )	[20:04]
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mircea_popescu	http://41.media.tumblr.com/cc683d6b70aa94f98c07d0654cf41f6c/tumblr_mwmuwlB1G61slq74qo1_1280.jpg saved for later.	[20:12]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1yYK3i7 )	[20:12]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36150 @ 0.00031017 = 11.2126 BTC [+]	[20:23]
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mircea_popescu	!up blacktower	[21:00]
-assbot-	You voiced blacktower for 30 minutes.	[21:00]
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blacktower	hello hello! just learning all of this, won't derp it up. glad to be a part of the community!	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	mike_c also, could "Timestamp" space be about 75% larger so it doesn't force double lines ?	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	!gettrust blacktower	[21:05]
assbot	blacktower is not registered in WoT.	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	you're not part of the community yet.	[21:05]
Pierre_Rochard	blacktower: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets	[21:06]
assbot	first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5SsCt )	[21:06]
blacktower	having trouble with nickserv right now, perf thanks for the urls. ill get that going	[21:06]
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cazalla	Pierre_Rochard, back on twitter or an imposter?	[21:19]
Pierre_Rochard	cazalla: back on twitter, couldn’t stay off!	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	lol, all teh hawt bitchez ?	[21:21]
Pierre_Rochard	primal scream therapy	[21:23]
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mike_c	mircea_popescu: yes	[21:33]
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ben_vulpes	ahhh	[21:46]
ben_vulpes	home sweet home sheets	[21:46]
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asciilifeform	ben_vulpes also rode 'spam air' ?	[21:46]
ben_vulpes	how did that song go?	[21:47]
ben_vulpes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHPkLuVBQ1Y	[21:47]
assbot	The Presidents of the USA - Naked and Famous - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DlKoa6 )	[21:47]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: naw, united and alaska	[21:47]
asciilifeform	lol alaska	[21:48]
ben_vulpes	what's wrong with alaska?	[21:49]
asciilifeform	nothing wrong, quite opposite,	[21:49]
asciilifeform	'There are strange things done in the midnight sun / By the men who moil for gold; / The Arctic trails have their secret tales / That would make your blood run cold; ...'	[21:49]
*	asciilifeform did not know they had airline	[21:49]
ben_vulpes	oh you	[21:50]
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asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cmmuQ8wYV0 << filmization	[21:52]
assbot	The Cremation of Sam McGee. - 8 minute short 35mm film - - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DlKHkZ )	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	!rate ben_vulpes -1 said naked and famous, there's no naked and not famous. ponzi!	[21:59]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a5a4d7115cba46a6	[21:59]
cazalla	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quujBgm2y6I rather amusing this is pretty much par at the qntra office	[22:02]
assbot	selo qntra - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkQGg4 )	[22:02]
cazalla	(the drinking, not the men)	[22:02]
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decimation	asciilifeform: you didn't take one of the luxurious american airlines?	[22:08]
asciilifeform	nope.	[22:08]
decimation	actually I've found us air carriers are the worst	[22:09]
asciilifeform	not, evidently, the worst.	[22:09]
decimation	in terms of cattle-class treatment	[22:09]
decimation	although american airlines tend to have among the more competent pilots	[22:10]
decimation	where else are you gonna find a guy with experience flying under fire in 'nam	[22:14]
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