Forum logs for 23 Sep 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

nefario	I don't get it	[00:02]
kakobrekla	lol	[00:02]
kakobrekla	arent you a coder	[00:02]
nefario	I don't use and IDE	[00:03]
nefario	notepad.exe	[00:03]
nefario	:p	[00:03]
nefario	no I use emacs	[00:03]
kakobrekla	i dont use ide as well	[00:03]
DeaDTerra	I don't know it's a habit :P	[00:03]
kakobrekla	doesnt stop me from knowing //	[00:03]
DeaDTerra	I sign all my messages with //DeaDTerra	[00:03]
DeaDTerra	I am not a coder :(	[00:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GOLD] 18 @ 0.00998999 = 0.1798 BTC [-]	[00:03]
agath	notepad.exe? it makes me shiver	[00:03]
*	agath works with vi	[00:03]
copumpkin	om nom nom	[00:05]
assbot	[GLBSE] [SILVER] 18 @ 0.00998 = 0.1796 BTC [-]	[00:05]
nefario	copumpkin: thats not an editor I know of	[00:06]
copumpkin	omnomnomicon!	[00:06]
nefario	yeah	[00:06]
nefario	type that on the command line	[00:06]
kakobrekla	its apt-get install omnomnomicon you fool!	[00:07]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 50 @ 0.09199997 = 4.6 BTC [-]	[00:07]
copumpkin	what is up with Chaang-Noi's mysterious nefario-accusing thread with no info on it?	[00:07]
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nefario	he's drunk	[00:08]
nefario	got a shipment of tax free gin	[00:08]
copumpkin	nice	[00:08]
nefario	you can see the quality of his posts falling	[00:08]
kakobrekla	120% drunk.	[00:08]
copumpkin	on a boat?	[00:08]
nefario	from each post to the next	[00:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00040432 = 3.1133 BTC [+]	[00:09]
PsychoticBoy	lol	[00:09]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.09199997 = 0.368 BTC [-]	[00:10]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00336 BTC [-]	[00:16]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.0906 = 0.1812 BTC [-]	[00:18]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABMC] 25 @ 0.0907 = 2.2675 BTC [+]	[00:18]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 1 @ 0.00012935 BTC [-]	[00:19]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABMC] 5 @ 0.0907 = 0.4535 BTC [+]	[00:19]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.0907 BTC [+]	[00:20]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 1 @ 0.00012935 BTC [-]	[00:20]
k3t3r	!help	[00:20]
assbot	List of commands:	[00:20]
assbot	!ticker (desc: returns current GLBSE/MPEX ticker values)	[00:20]
assbot	!pl [@] [] (desc: profit loss calc for GLBSE assets)	[00:20]
k3t3r	!ticker [YABMC]	[00:21]
kakobrekla	!ticker yabmc	[00:21]
assbot	Invalid ticker.	[00:21]
k3t3r	oops	[00:21]
k3t3r	haha	[00:21]
k3t3r	on goats gin	[00:21]
k3t3r	!ticker YABMC	[00:21]
assbot	[GLBSE:YABMC] [Bid: 0.08185] [Ask: 0.0906] [Spread: 0.00875] [Last: 0.0907] [24hVol: 0.1816] [7dAvg: 0.08484319]	[00:21]
assbot	[GLBSE:YABMC] [Bid: 0.08185] [Ask: 0.0906] [Spread: 0.00875] [Last: 0.0907] [24hVol: 0.1816] [7dAvg: 0.08484319]	[00:22]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 1 @ 0.00012935 BTC [-]	[00:22]
kakobrekla	fuckyea.	[00:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37268 @ 0.00040432 = 15.0682 BTC [+]	[00:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33723 @ 0.0004055 = 13.6747 BTC [+]	[00:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.0004071 = 18.5638 BTC [+]	[00:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7275 @ 0.00040791 = 2.9675 BTC [+]	[00:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00040895 = 7.5247 BTC [+]	[00:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24238 @ 0.000413 = 10.0103 BTC [+]	[00:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00041723 = 2.0862 BTC [+]	[00:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19699 @ 0.00041856 = 8.2452 BTC [+]	[00:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93797 @ 0.00042 = 39.3947 BTC [+]	[00:26]
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Obsi	What's the lead time on GLBSE support requests these days?	[00:28]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [BIF.1YR.LOAN] 1 @ 0.9134576 BTC [+]	[00:34]
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mircea_popescu	minisplit	[00:40]
BTC-Mining	It was a bot and server is herding them to botland	[00:41]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 0.64470008 = 3.2235 BTC [+]	[00:42]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.09039999 BTC [-]	[00:44]
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assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3661 @ 0.00028776 = 1.0535 BTC [-]	[00:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1343 @ 0.00028622 = 0.3844 BTC [-]	[00:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5996 @ 0.00028416 = 1.7038 BTC [-]	[00:51]
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assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8695 @ 0.00028416 = 2.4708 BTC [-]	[01:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3605 @ 0.00028355 = 1.0222 BTC [-]	[01:17]
PsychoticBoy	goat, didnt you had your shot of hero when you made this thread? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112071.60	[01:20]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 14 @ 0.09030001 = 1.2642 BTC [-]	[01:20]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 17 @ 0.0903 = 1.5351 BTC [-]	[01:20]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 5 @ 0.09 = 0.45 BTC [-]	[01:20]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 7 @ 0.084 = 0.588 BTC [-]	[01:20]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.083 = 0.332 BTC [-]	[01:20]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.0800005 = 0.32 BTC [-]	[01:20]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.08000002 = 0.8 BTC [-]	[01:20]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 39 @ 0.08 = 3.12 BTC [-]	[01:20]
PsychoticBoy	obsi dump	[01:20]
Bugpowder	obsi already dumped	[01:20]
PsychoticBoy	what do you mean?	[01:21]
Bugpowder	buy now!	[01:21]
PsychoticBoy	I dumped obsi also if thats what you mean	[01:21]
PsychoticBoy	for 0.105 :D	[01:21]
BTC-Mining	Nefario, are you sure we can't have an option for account holdings to be public? or at least have an audit service?	[01:25]
nefario	did I say that you cant?	[01:26]
BTC-Mining	No, but I meant there's no official system to audit holdings	[01:26]
nefario	that would require auditors	[01:28]
BTC-Mining	or non-transactional API keys	[01:28]
BTC-Mining	or option	[01:29]
nefario	read only keys?	[01:29]
BTC-Mining	Aye. Or option, would be as simple as a checkbox that can be changed in settings. Then a page like https://glbse.com/api/public/username would check if that setting is set to true and return a list of holdings.	[01:31]
BTC-Mining	I think most funds/management based assets could benefit for that.	[01:32]
BTC-Mining	I don't see why auditors should waste time weekly to audit again and again when an API could manage that	[01:33]
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nefario	api sounds likea good idea	[01:35]
BTC-Mining	aye, seems like a public api url + account setting checkbox would work great. Although it's up to you.	[01:37]
Audriux9	oho Olandai penkti	[01:37]
Audriux9	sorry wrong channel :)	[01:37]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 0.67377958 = 3.3689 BTC [+]	[01:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2495 @ 0.00028355 = 0.7075 BTC [-]	[01:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4500 @ 0.00028342 = 1.2754 BTC [-]	[01:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6405 @ 0.00028314 = 1.8135 BTC [-]	[01:44]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 7 @ 0.12499999 = 0.875 BTC [-]	[01:55]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 11 @ 0.125 = 1.375 BTC [+]	[01:55]
smickles	< nefario> that would require auditors << which would need to be cpa's in 'merica and ca's in UK	[01:58]
nefario	sorry what?	[01:58]
nefario	oh	[01:58]
smickles	in 'merica you have to be a CPA to perform an audit	[01:58]
nefario	chartered accountants	[01:58]
smickles	yup	[01:58]
nefario	yeah it depends	[01:58]
nefario	obviously	[01:58]
smickles	yes, but generally	[01:59]
nefario	we don't have the resources to employ full time auditors	[01:59]
smickles	even hourly would be ~200usd/hour	[01:59]
nefario	sure	[01:59]
nefario	must be a more economical/efficient method	[01:59]
nefario	auditing scripts that are public?	[02:00]
smickles	legally, for 'public' companies... not really	[02:00]
nefario	public companies no	[02:00]
nefario	no other choice	[02:00]
nefario	but lets talk about bitcoin listed projects	[02:00]
smickles	in some states a bookkeeper could audit a private company	[02:00]
nefario	and forget the term company	[02:00]
nefario	for the projects that are listed on GLBSE	[02:00]
nefario	there must be a way for us to allow auditing	[02:00]
nefario	or	[02:01]
nefario	a form of auditing	[02:01]
nefario	without them having to be 100% transparent to the public	[02:01]
smickles	for a project, maybe a bookkeeper, but if the state determines that it's a company, the bookkeeper is fucked	[02:01]
nefario	yeah	[02:01]
nefario	soooo	[02:01]
nefario	I was thinking	[02:01]
nefario	auditing scripts	[02:01]
nefario	I expose an API	[02:01]
nefario	that allows people to run auditing scripts	[02:02]
nefario	the scripts are not allowed to reveal actual information	[02:02]
nefario	but	[02:02]
nefario	can give something of a result	[02:02]
nefario	for example	[02:02]
nefario	I'm sure a script could be written	[02:02]
nefario	that would be able to detect ponzi like activity	[02:02]
nefario	or	[02:03]
nefario	paying dividends from initial capital that was raised	[02:03]
nefario	although	[02:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 35 @ 0.08000001 = 2.8 BTC [+]	[02:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 61 @ 0.08 = 4.88 BTC [-]	[02:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.075 = 7.5 BTC [-]	[02:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.07402 = 0.2221 BTC [-]	[02:03]
nefario	I suppose someone would just need to move the BTC off GLBSE to fuck that idea up	[02:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 14 @ 0.074 = 1.036 BTC [-]	[02:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 25 @ 0.073 = 1.825 BTC [-]	[02:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.0721 = 0.1442 BTC [-]	[02:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 9 @ 0.07202 = 0.6482 BTC [-]	[02:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 81 @ 0.07152 = 5.7931 BTC [-]	[02:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.07021508 BTC [-]	[02:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 60 @ 0.07 = 4.2 BTC [-]	[02:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 108 @ 0.07 = 7.56 BTC [-]	[02:03]
smickles	yeah, there would be gaming and also. :	[02:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MU] 3 @ 0.2 = 0.6 BTC [-]	[02:04]
smickles	suppose they raise capital off of glbse too, and pay dividends out of the capital they nominally raised on glbse	[02:04]
smickles	but 'actually' came from somewhere else	[02:04]
nefario	yeah	[02:05]
nefario	so	[02:05]
nefario	we need auditors	[02:05]
smickles	it's complicated stuff that takes a trained eye	[02:05]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 7 @ 0.09036999 = 0.6326 BTC [+]	[02:06]
smickles	even if it were legal for me to do it, i would be uncomfortable auditing all but the simplest business models	[02:06]
smickles	look to arthur anderson to see what hapens when you even unknowingly mess up	[02:07]
smickles	(enron for those who dont' get that)	[02:07]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GSDPT] 150 @ 0.0034 = 0.51 BTC [+]	[02:08]
smickles	Smoovious: i think BBBB leaves their funds on the exchange (or claims to anyway)	[02:08]
smickles	also BlueChip	[02:08]
smickles	(not sure of the ticker for bluechip)	[02:09]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GSDPT] 30 @ 0.0034 = 0.102 BTC [+]	[02:09]
smickles	well, they curate other bitcoin assets	[02:10]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.0034 = 0.0068 BTC [+]	[02:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7711 @ 0.00028314 = 2.1833 BTC [-]	[02:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 184 @ 0.0002814 = 0.0518 BTC [-]	[02:10]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BITCOINRS] 4 @ 0.05 = 0.2 BTC [+]	[02:11]
smickles	someone buying up gsdtp it seems, 1 decibitcoin at a time	[02:12]
smickles	woah, nvm	[02:13]
smickles	there was a ~130btc buy not too long ago	[02:13]
kakobrekla	;;bc,stats	[02:14]
gribble	Current Blocks: 200071 \| Current Difficulty: 2864140.507811 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 201599 \| Next Difficulty In: 1528 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 12 hours, 21 minutes, and 4 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 3203366.97605985 \| Estimated Percent Change: 11.8439185272	[02:14]
kakobrekla	great.	[02:14]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.12199 = 0.7319 BTC [+]	[02:14]
smickles	11% eh?	[02:14]
smickles	.py .35/.45	[02:15]
markac	0.777777777778	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	whoa 3.2 mn ?!	[02:16]
kakobrekla	and asic isnt even close	[02:16]
smickles	what's that supposed to mean kakobrekla	[02:17]
BTC-Mining	Yeah, I was not talking about an "audit" audit	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	smickles we might see 10mn next year.	[02:17]
BTC-Mining	Just about making account data public	[02:17]
BTC-Mining	When required	[02:17]
BTC-Mining	So people can see if a fund's claimed holdings are indeed in the account.	[02:18]
smickles	mircea_popescu: so what, asic not going to makeas large of an impact as previously expected?	[02:18]
kakobrekla	smickles, it will take months before we see asic doing work	[02:18]
BTC-Mining	For example	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	smickles i have no ideea, the only thing seems to be that network hash output growth consistently beats expectations.	[02:19]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu, might see 10mn? we gonna see 10mn. i bet 1 btc on it.	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining maybe with a gpg signature of the exchange ?	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla i ain't betting :p	[02:19]
kakobrekla	pussy.	[02:19]
BTC-Mining	Well the statement only guarantees the holdings at the time the person requested the data...	[02:20]
smickles	mircea_popescu only bets when it's a sure thing. like against me winning a 170 seat poker tourny	[02:20]
BTC-Mining	So I guess simply making the data API visible would be enough.	[02:20]
BTC-Mining	The signature wouldn't provide much at all.	[02:20]
smickles	would prevent fake data tho	[02:20]
BTC-Mining	If you access data directly on GLBSE.com, yes	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	lol	[02:21]
smickles	also, if X claims to have had y at z time, the sig could prove past events	[02:22]
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BTC-Mining	mircea, if someone has access to change that data, signing it would be just as possible. The person would have access to the server.	[02:22]
BTC-Mining	If the person can change data on GLBSE, it would affect any signed receipt.	[02:22]
smickles	MITM disagrees	[02:22]
*	smickles is devil's advocate it seems	[02:23]
smickles	BTC-Mining: wouldn't you want to publish the status you the things in your account?	[02:24]
BTC-Mining	I'd want the info to be made public	[02:25]
BTC-Mining	as in if, for example, I check a box in settings to make holdings public	[02:26]
BTC-Mining	glbse.com/api/public/username returns a list of holdings in that account	[02:26]
smickles	if it's only public via an api, you are excluding people from the trustable knowledge of the information	[02:26]
BTC-Mining	what?	[02:27]
smickles	well, if i don't know how/don't want to call on an api, then i cant trust someone else telling me the info unless it's signed by glbse	[02:27]
smickles	(or i trust that other person)	[02:28]
BTC-Mining	Yeah, I meant the info to be shown directly on GLBSE	[02:28]
smickles	(but why add in that risk)	[02:28]
smickles	oh! like in the asset page?	[02:28]
BTC-Mining	Or on the API page. You don't need to make API calls to see API pages	[02:29]
BTC-Mining	It returns the value in an array	[02:29]
BTC-Mining	values*	[02:29]
smickles	yeah, but a lot of people need to clik a link for it to exist	[02:29]
BTC-Mining	Aye, anyway. I need something to spend BTC on.	[02:30]
smickles	spend it on accountanting services :)	[02:30]
BTC-Mining	Bleh, what for?	[02:31]
Bane_Capital	BTC-Mining: I like that you haven't bought mining hardware yet. Smart move.	[02:31]
smickles	BTC-Mining: because i'm going to start an accounting company once if finish this move	[02:31]
BTC-Mining	It's loaned to BitBond in exchange of hashing tho. I wonder what he spent it on.	[02:32]
smickles	I would tell you the name, buy i haven't reserved it yet	[02:32]
BTC-Mining	GPU/ASIC mix I would believe.	[02:32]
smickles	*the name of the company	[02:32]
BTC-Mining	We're a bit like a special shareholder in Bitbond.	[02:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6466 @ 0.0002814 = 1.8195 BTC [-]	[02:37]
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mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining are you sure you understand how signed receipts work ? cause no, having access to the server wouldn't invalidate a signature.	[02:38]
BTC-Mining	It depends if the key and signature is done automatically from the server.	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	o boy.	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	we're going to have the 2 years of learning how to use wallets on servers	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	to get the signatures figured out too, huh.	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	2015, 2020 ?	[02:39]
BTC-Mining	Ah, you're suggesting with the cold wallet's key? Would have to be manual signatures.	[02:40]
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mircea_popescu	i'm not suggesting anything really.	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	just pointing out that a solution already exists.	[02:41]
assbot	[GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 3 @ 0.00980001 = 0.0294 BTC [-]	[02:41]
BTC-Mining	Well the main point would be to not have someone always verifying accounts holdings.	[02:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00042 = 10.5 BTC [+]	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining you just publish your stats / dividend payment receipts.	[02:42]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GOLD] 5 @ 0.00995 = 0.0498 BTC [-]	[02:43]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PLATINUM] 5 @ 0.00999998 = 0.05 BTC [+]	[02:44]
BTC-Mining	But I can't publish that myself, the point would be for people to be able to verify themselves directly on GLBSE.com what a public account is holding.	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	but it's signed.	[02:45]
BTC-Mining	Signed by GLBSE? GLBSE needs to have the key on the server to generate signed receipts...	[02:47]
Bane_Capital	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xWW4WmBtk8	[02:47]
BTC-Mining	So if someone can change data on GLBSE... signed receipts are affected too...	[02:47]
BTC-Mining	Hence why sign receipts at all instead of just showing the data?	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	i dunno guy.	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	why do you even get a title deed instead of just being told you own the car ?	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	they could call you on the phone say.	[02:49]
BTC-Mining	The deed is different. It's to prove ownership.	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	...	[02:49]
BTC-Mining	The data is so people not owning the account can verify the holdings on said accounts PRESENTLY. A signed receipt wouldn't guarantee anything 1 second afterward.	[02:50]
BTC-Mining	There's no purpose in holding the receipt, the purpose of that API feature would be for people to check an account's content live.	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	yes. and this is a bad ideea because there's a slew of legitimate reasons the holder might not want to make this available.	[02:52]
BTC-Mining	Yes... which is why it would be an option, not forced...	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, enough of this. im not getting paid enough to save anyone work on the matter.	[02:52]
BTC-Mining	So funds manager may make their account holdings public if they wish so	[02:52]
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Bane_Capital	http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-school-dances-20120922,0,3541288.story	[03:00]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 6 @ 0.5897 = 3.5382 BTC [-]	[03:07]
assbot	[GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 10 @ 0.00980001 = 0.098 BTC [-]	[03:10]
smickles	"it's to prove ownership" BTC-Mining am i missing something here, or were you wanting to prove ownership of assets in a glbse account?	[03:11]
BTC-Mining	yes, but why sign it with GLBSE key instead of just showing it?	[03:13]
smickles	mircea_popescu: also, if i understand deeds correctly, their main purpose is to prevent the individual from owning the thing independantly. in the case of cars, you don't own your car, you and the state own that car	[03:13]
smickles	deeds/titles	[03:14]
smickles	BTC-Mining: so that you can have a record of that data which can be trusted	[03:14]
assbot	[GLBSE] [SILVER] 10 @ 0.00998 = 0.0998 BTC [-]	[03:14]
smickles	BTC-Mining: and it's trivial to do both at the same time	[03:15]
BTC-Mining	But the thing is, you don't need that record if GLBSE can just show it.	[03:15]
smickles	added benifit, no (real) extra cost	[03:15]
smickles	BTC-Mining: you do for independant reports/publications using that information	[03:16]
BTC-Mining	Especially since it doesn't make any guarantee the account is still in the same standings	[03:16]
smickles	the purpose of most all financial reports is to present the status at a given time anyway	[03:16]
BTC-Mining	Why would people take the time to verify the signature if they can just click a link to see it directly on GLBSE?	[03:16]
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smickles	there could be many pointls of data (related or unrelated) which would require many lnk clicks, but only one sig verification command	[03:18]
BTC-Mining	If the link displays all the accounts hold, that wouldn't rquire more than 1 click...	[03:18]
Obsi	Did Gavin ever give that September announcement?	[03:19]
smickles	this is what i meant to imply by related or unrelated. the data presented could contain more than just the assets in the account link information	[03:20]
Bane_Capital	Obsi: The announcement was Stallman's plush GNU will now be auctioned off for Bitcoins.	[03:21]
BTC-Mining	Eh	[03:21]
BTC-Mining	But then we'd probably need account auditors to give only specific information and sign it from GLBSE	[03:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4050 @ 0.0002814 = 1.1397 BTC [-]	[03:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9550 @ 0.00028105 = 2.684 BTC [-]	[03:23]
BTC-Mining	The whole point was for funds to make the holdings public if they wished so, so GLBSE doesn't have to manually confirm that.	[03:23]
smickles	BTC-Mining: also, can't a sig be verified offline?	[03:23]
BTC-Mining	Yes. For that it could be helpful except GLBSE users are anonymous and I can't send them documents offline.	[03:24]
smickles	well, didn't i suggest that the information be signed because it add benifit at almost no cost?	[03:24]
BTC-Mining	I suppose.	[03:24]
smickles	I don't see why you need a specific and complicated example to see the benifit in an exchange automatically signing a doc like you want.	[03:25]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 33 @ 0.07000001 = 2.31 BTC [-]	[03:25]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 185 @ 0.07 = 12.95 BTC [-]	[03:25]
smickles	not that it needs it, but that it benifits form it	[03:25]
smickles	*from	[03:25]
smickles	benefits	[03:25]
BTC-Mining	It's not very useful except for offline people however. And adds extra steps to verify signatures.	[03:25]
smickles	spelling	[03:25]
smickles	i think it's useful for online people too	[03:26]
BTC-Mining	How so?	[03:26]
smickles	if i wanted to presentthe traditional financial reports of a company and have the data verified by glbse	[03:27]
smickles	the api calls would show the current data, which would be out of date with the reports	[03:28]
BTC-Mining	Well... if they're online, we go back to clicking a link put in references to be easier...	[03:28]
smickles	but the links would show current data, not past data, right?	[03:28]
BTC-Mining	Ah, so it appears exactly as on the report...	[03:29]
BTC-Mining	Yes...	[03:29]
smickles	like i said earlier, x proves y at time z	[03:29]
smickles	trusted, because glbse signed the data	[03:29]
smickles	i'm sure there are many more situations too	[03:29]
BTC-Mining	Would get complicated to design systems for all these cases however.	[03:31]
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smickles	signing the data?	[03:35]
BTC-Mining	No, making all the different automated processes.	[03:36]
BTC-Mining	For the last time the whole point is not relying on auditors working all the time to verify people's account constantly.	[03:36]
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mircea_popescu	smickles the purpose of deeds isn't to prevent anyone from owning "independently"	[03:39]
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[\]	just a formal way to identify the passing of ownership	[03:41]
[\]	no indian giving	[03:41]
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mircea_popescu	the title is just a conveniend way to cleave ownership and posession	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	w/o titles whoever drives the car owns it	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	with titles you can now lease your car, lend it, have vallet parking etc.	[03:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24050 @ 0.00042 = 10.101 BTC [+]	[03:48]
jcpham	i thought you were saying titties	[03:49]
jcpham	but it appears you are using the word titles	[03:50]
jcpham	meh	[03:50]
BTC-Mining	jcpham got all excited for a second.	[03:51]
BTC-Mining	He knows about mircea's other businesses...	[03:51]
BTC-Mining	No but if something happens... you can prove it's your car!	[03:52]
jcpham	i can use a gun to prove it's my car too	[03:53]
jcpham	just as convincing	[03:53]
BTC-Mining	Assuming you lose your ticket and the valet manages to forget which car you came with.	[03:53]
k3t3r	do you folk get to own your cars. we dont in UK we have to sign it over to the gov and we become a registered keeper.	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	eh ?	[03:54]
k3t3r	you dont have to pay taxes and the rest of the shit then	[03:55]
k3t3r	on your car that is	[03:55]
k3t3r	no registration /licence plates	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	registered keeper is when yiou keep someone else's car	[03:56]
k3t3r	in uk the person who buys the car is the registered keeper the governemtn owns the car	[03:57]
BTC-Mining	k3t3r: It's so government's agents can requisition the car? =P	[03:57]
k3t3r	yes	[03:57]
k3t3r	exaclty that	[03:57]
k3t3r	you sign you care over to gov, then theey can make demands with menaces	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	k3t3r that's bs.	[03:57]
k3t3r	pay tax or we take you car	[03:58]
k3t3r	buy insurance or we take the car	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	this would have nothing to do with "signing it oveR"	[03:58]
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k3t3r	it is to do with signing it over in uk.	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	the reason you MUST buy insurance, whether you want to or not, is that if you're the sort of idiot that thnks you're "signing your car over to thegovernment" you probably will hit my expensive mercedes with your rustbucket fiat	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	and i'm not paying for your illiteracy.	[03:59]
k3t3r	they cannot take your property unless you have commited a criminal offence	[03:59]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [BIF.BTCST.PPT] 3 @ 0.01 = 0.03 BTC [-]	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	no, they can take your car just for being stupid.	[03:59]
k3t3r	you havent a clue	[03:59]
k3t3r	what country are you in	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	this makes a difference ?	[04:00]
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k3t3r	in the uk you cannot drive a car unless you become the registered keeper	[04:00]
k3t3r	that means the DVLA own you car	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	...	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	who told you this ?	[04:00]
k3t3r	and they can take it if you dont play by their rules	[04:00]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TCC] 2 @ 0.00000001 BTC [-]	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	who.told.you.this.	[04:00]
k3t3r	you know the differnce between legal and lawful	[04:01]
k3t3r	haha	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	sigh.	[04:01]
k3t3r	i am serious though you cann read the road traffic act	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	yes, i can. i doubt you can, but anyway. cite.	[04:02]
k3t3r	you dont have to believe ne i dont care either wya	[04:02]
k3t3r	just saying	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	dude.	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	you made a remarkably idiotic statement	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	when challenged you refer to the law	[04:03]
k3t3r	notice you attack the person not the argument	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	when asked to cite you claim you don't care	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	you're textbook stupid.	[04:03]
k3t3r	that is intelletually immature	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	great.	[04:03]
k3t3r!@	added to ignore list.	[04:04]
BTC-Mining	I should stop commenting on things. Seems it provokes arguments somehow... better stay silent.	[04:04]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 128 @ 0.123989 = 15.8706 BTC [+]	[04:04]
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mircea_popescu	there's nothing wrong with arguments, my ignore list has to be fed somehow.	[04:05]
mircea_popescu	"difference between legal and lawful", there's just no limit to the retardedness the internet brings forth	[04:06]
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smickles	i don't cosider myself to be the owner of "my car" because I have to get state permission to sell it	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	eh ?!	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	smickles what exactly do you mean ?	[04:08]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.08899992 = 0.267 BTC [+]	[04:08]
smickles	mircea_popescu: with personal property of an individually taxable value, I have to meet state requirements to sell it	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	what requirements specifically ?	[04:09]
smickles	i ran into this issue specifically with a mobile home once	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	do tell ?	[04:11]
smickles	mircea_popescu: well, with cars, it's easy, isn't it? you just need to transfer the title	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	how is transferring title getting state permission ?	[04:11]
smickles	but in some states, you can't transfer title w/o fair value being exchanged	[04:11]
smickles	in my specific trouble, I boght a mobile home, the later sold it to someone else. The state rejected the title transfer	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	well i guess those states suck	[04:12]
smickles	and then the guy who bought it from me racked up land rental debt	[04:13]
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smickles	and the state decided it was my mobile home	[04:13]
smickles	and wanted me to pay it	[04:13]
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mircea_popescu	so how did that end ?	[04:14]
smickles	I began the process of sueing the state and the decided to pursue the other guy instead. Technically, i think they still consider it my mobilehome	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	yeah. none of these really have much to do with ownership tho, it's a matter of bureaucracy/registration	[04:15]
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smickles	well, literal ownership, and ownership in the eyes of the 'merican gov't system are two different things	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	"A peppercorn does not cease to be good consideration if it is established that the promisee does not like pepper and will throw away the corn.	[04:16]
Bane_Capital	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnyVE1go2vs	[04:17]
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copumpkin	reputation is important.	[10:16]
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Obsi	quite the dip this weekend	[11:00]
Diablo-D3	oh?	[11:01]
Obsi	;;ticker	[11:01]
Diablo-D3	lets call it the nefario effect	[11:01]
gribble	Best bid: 11.9, Best ask: 11.91, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 11.9, 24 hour volume: 19995, 24 hour low: 11.9, 24 hour high: 12.3	[11:01]
Obsi	back in the $11's	[11:01]
Diablo-D3	everytime he sticks his head out of the hole of the ground and sees his shadow, 6 more weeks of the market shitting itself	[11:01]
Obsi	So you get DMC back tomorrow?	[11:02]
Diablo-D3	todays the 23rd?	[11:02]
Diablo-D3	holy shit it is	[11:02]
mircea_popescu	wait, you're getting dmc back ?!	[11:02]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: most likely	[11:03]
mircea_popescu	0.0	[11:03]
mircea_popescu	so all the drama strictly served to legitimize glbse ?	[11:03]
Diablo-D3	apparently so	[11:03]
Diablo-D3	and if Im going to be a drama actor, I demand to be paid like one	[11:03]
Diablo-D3	wait, I wonder if that means Im unionized now	[11:04]
Obsi	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdk1gwWH-Cg	[11:04]
Diablo-D3	heh	[11:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8833 @ 0.00027928 = 2.4669 BTC [-]	[11:12]
Obsi	Who do I bribe to get an asset approved?	[11:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 120 @ 0.79837316 = 95.8048 BTC [+]	[11:18]
Obsi	Meh, I only bought METAL & METAL.SILVER to launch METAL.COPPER, but I ain't verifying diddly	[11:18]
Luceo	Fuck verification	[11:19]
Luceo	If they start making that mandatory I'm going 100% MPEX	[11:19]
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Obsi	o rly?	[11:19]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 15 @ 0.11 = 1.65 BTC [-]	[11:20]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BFLS] 5 @ 0.63985 = 3.1993 BTC [-]	[11:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C090T] 3 @ 0.27042807 = 0.8113 BTC [-]	[11:20]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [-]	[11:20]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BFLS] 4 @ 0.61 = 2.44 BTC [-]	[11:20]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]	[11:20]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BFLS] 10 @ 0.56 = 5.6 BTC [-]	[11:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C090T] 900 @ 0.25387137 = 228.4842 BTC [-]	[11:21]
Obsi	So for a simple pink sheets asset, is anything needed beyond what was needed 2 months ago to get approved?	[11:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C080T] 1000 @ 0.33710789 = 337.1079 BTC [-]	[11:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 900 @ 0.08827084 = 79.4438 BTC [-]	[11:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100T] 3 @ 0.18424607 = 0.5527 BTC [-]	[11:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100T] 897 @ 0.17063486 = 153.0595 BTC [-]	[11:21]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 15 @ 0.02366935 = 0.355 BTC [-]	[11:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C170T] 825 @ 0.00029846 = 0.2462 BTC [-]	[11:24]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C150T] 14 @ 0.03170402 = 0.4439 BTC [-]	[11:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C150T] 486 @ 0.00282513 = 1.373 BTC [-]	[11:25]
Diablo-D3	it fell through, apparently	[11:25]
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Diablo-D3	he couldnt get enough people to do it	[11:26]
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mircea_popescu	Diablo-D3 who what ?	[11:27]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.071 BTC [-]	[11:29]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 24 @ 0.07 = 1.68 BTC [-]	[11:29]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.06799998 BTC [-]	[11:29]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 14 @ 0.066 = 0.924 BTC [-]	[11:29]
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Luceo	usagi: If you're a real business it's awkward enough taking Bitcoin	[11:31]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: the problem is you need people with accounting experience	[11:32]
Diablo-D3	and the one person in the entire community that has that... isnt one of the people doing it	[11:32]
Diablo-D3	nope.	[11:33]
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Ignatius-otc	"In general, the market acts like a fag and it's shit's retarded."	[11:41]
Luceo	usagi has plenty of credibility	[11:44]
Luceo	That comes when you run 3 successful businesses	[11:44]
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Diablo-D3	Smoovious: no shit	[11:49]
Diablo-D3	Smoovious: I need to start Diablo Popcorn Shipping Services	[11:50]
DeaDTerra	nothing can be funnier then a drunk goat though	[11:50]
DeaDTerra	that's youtube quality drama	[11:50]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68329.msg1194767#msg1194767	[11:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3886 @ 0.00027928 = 1.0853 BTC [-]	[11:51]
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assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 10714 @ 0.00027839 = 2.9827 BTC [-]	[11:51]
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mircea_popescu	i'm really dissapointed in mpoe-pr's performance ;/	[11:51]
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Diablo-D3	bitcorn works better	[11:51]
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Diablo-D3	can I be a deamon? :<	[11:57]
PsychoticBoy	lol	[12:01]
PsychoticBoy	me votes YES ;)	[12:01]
DeaDTerra	I would bail if EB took over	[12:03]
mircea_popescu	EB ?	[12:04]
DeaDTerra	Eskimo bob	[12:05]
PsychoticBoy	Never let goat issue any new assets on glbse, he is a prick	[12:05]
mircea_popescu	o him.	[12:05]
PsychoticBoy	yep him	[12:05]
mircea_popescu	has the guy ever done anything outside of irc/forum whining ?	[12:06]
PsychoticBoy	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112071.0	[12:06]
PsychoticBoy	he is just a &(&(&*(	[12:06]
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PsychoticBoy	come every one knew that the glbse stock was a scam	[12:07]
PsychoticBoy	he bought it for less than 0.	[12:07]
PsychoticBoy	0.1	[12:07]
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PsychoticBoy	who? GOAT	[12:07]
DeaDTerra	goat was drunk it was hilarious xD	[12:07]
PsychoticBoy	and now hes is crying that nef will only buy it for 0.1	[12:07]
DeaDTerra	his arguments and reasoning just become worse and worse until he was qouting himself to prove a point xD	[12:07]
PsychoticBoy	he didnt pay more (goat) he even sold some in march for 10 btc (who? GOAT!!!)	[12:08]
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PsychoticBoy	goat really is a prick just like they said on the bitcoinshitlist	[12:08]
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assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 686 @ 0.00027839 = 0.191 BTC [-]	[12:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 414 @ 0.00027818 = 0.1152 BTC [-]	[12:18]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.67649 = 1.353 BTC [+]	[12:25]
assbot	[GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 2 @ 1.4468 = 2.8936 BTC [-]	[12:28]
assbot	[GLBSE] [SILVER] 3 @ 0.00999 = 0.03 BTC [+]	[12:29]
assbot	[GLBSE] [SILVER] 2 @ 0.00999 = 0.02 BTC [+]	[12:29]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BFLS] 20 @ 0.51025 = 10.205 BTC [-]	[12:31]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 2 @ 0.77 = 1.54 BTC [-]	[12:32]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 2 @ 0.76 = 1.52 BTC [-]	[12:32]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 2 @ 0.75 = 1.5 BTC [-]	[12:32]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BFLS] 40 @ 0.51025 = 20.41 BTC [-]	[12:33]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BFLS] 11 @ 0.51025 = 5.6128 BTC [-]	[12:33]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [+]	[12:39]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]	[12:39]
DeaDTerra	Looking to buy a BFL single!	[12:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8486 @ 0.00027818 = 2.3606 BTC [-]	[12:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4000 @ 0.00027749 = 1.11 BTC [-]	[12:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5614 @ 0.00027722 = 1.5563 BTC [-]	[12:44]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.1235 = 1.3585 BTC [-]	[12:59]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.47989999 BTC [+]	[13:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19414 @ 0.00041962 = 8.1465 BTC [-]	[13:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32571 @ 0.00041907 = 13.6495 BTC [-]	[13:11]
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Diablo-D3	who did what now?	[13:20]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.47989999 = 0.9598 BTC [+]	[13:26]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 4 @ 0.47999999 = 1.92 BTC [+]	[13:26]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 10 @ 0.48 = 4.8 BTC [+]	[13:26]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 5 @ 0.48299799 = 2.415 BTC [+]	[13:26]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 10 @ 0.48299899 = 4.83 BTC [+]	[13:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P120T] 1000 @ 0.04526981 = 45.2698 BTC [-]	[13:26]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 15 @ 0.483 = 7.245 BTC [+]	[13:28]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.1235 = 0.6175 BTC [-]	[13:39]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [SILVER] 29 @ 0.00999 = 0.2897 BTC [+]	[13:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [SILVER] 33 @ 0.00999998 = 0.33 BTC [+]	[13:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [SILVER] 13 @ 0.00999999 = 0.13 BTC [+]	[13:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [+]	[13:51]
Diablo-D3	"your mom"	[13:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.483 BTC [+]	[13:53]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GOLD] 33 @ 0.00999999 = 0.33 BTC [+]	[13:56]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.08995 BTC [-]	[13:56]
Diablo-D3	yup	[13:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26829 @ 0.00041907 = 11.2432 BTC [-]	[13:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24871 @ 0.0004187 = 10.4135 BTC [-]	[13:59]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.1217 = 0.8519 BTC [-]	[14:01]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.1216 = 1.824 BTC [-]	[14:01]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.1212 = 1.818 BTC [-]	[14:01]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1211 BTC [-]	[14:01]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.121 BTC [-]	[14:01]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1201 BTC [-]	[14:01]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.1087 BTC [+]	[14:05]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 73 @ 0.1235 = 9.0155 BTC [+]	[14:12]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.09390001 BTC [-]	[14:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.0939 BTC [-]	[14:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.09378 BTC [-]	[14:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 9 @ 0.09366 = 0.8429 BTC [-]	[14:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 42 @ 0.093455 = 3.9251 BTC [-]	[14:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 40 @ 0.093355 = 3.7342 BTC [-]	[14:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 6 @ 0.09205 = 0.5523 BTC [-]	[14:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43950 @ 0.00042 = 18.459 BTC [+]	[14:25]
assbot	[GLBSE] [SS] 1 @ 0.01500003 BTC [+]	[14:28]
assbot	[GLBSE] [SS] 1 @ 0.01500002 BTC [-]	[14:28]
assbot	[GLBSE] [JAH] 1 @ 0.1301 BTC [-]	[14:31]
assbot	[GLBSE] [JAH] 1 @ 0.128 BTC [-]	[14:31]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.07999998 = 0.16 BTC [-]	[14:32]
assbot	[GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.05100001 BTC [-]	[14:36]
assbot	[GLBSE] [CPA] 39 @ 0.05 = 1.95 BTC [-]	[14:36]
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DeaDTerra	Want to buy BFLS Single! Shipping to Sweden. pm me if you are interested :)	[14:49]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.1234 = 3.702 BTC [-]	[14:49]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.1235 = 0.494 BTC [+]	[14:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 429 @ 0.0004187 = 0.1796 BTC [-]	[14:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2016 @ 0.00041662 = 0.8399 BTC [-]	[14:51]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 3 @ 0.98000001 = 2.94 BTC [-]	[14:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.98 BTC [-]	[14:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 10 @ 0.98 = 9.8 BTC [-]	[14:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.67357977 = 1.3472 BTC [-]	[14:52]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.07999997 BTC [-]	[15:13]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.6728797 BTC [-]	[15:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6300 @ 0.00027722 = 1.7465 BTC [-]	[15:20]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.6728797 BTC [-]	[15:20]
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DeaDTerra	another 100000 shares are up for sale for GSDPT	[15:28]
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kakobrekla	mornin	[15:41]
assbot	[GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.06998999 BTC [+]	[15:41]
assbot	[GLBSE] [CPA] 9 @ 0.06999 = 0.6299 BTC [+]	[15:41]
assbot	[GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.05 BTC [-]	[15:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 186 @ 0.00027722 = 0.0516 BTC [-]	[15:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 14114 @ 0.00027718 = 3.9121 BTC [-]	[15:46]
DeaDTerra	This whole goat/Nefario business is getting redicilous	[15:46]
DeaDTerra	Goat is trying to dig up old promises, that no longer apply or are valid to make a quick buck. It's disgusting...	[15:46]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTCMC] 1 @ 0.581 BTC [+]	[15:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.12 = 0.36 BTC [-]	[15:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.118 = 0.59 BTC [-]	[15:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.11241 = 1.1241 BTC [-]	[15:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.11240011 = 3.372 BTC [-]	[15:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 35 @ 0.1124001 = 3.934 BTC [-]	[15:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.1123001 = 2.8075 BTC [-]	[15:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.1123001 = 0.3369 BTC [-]	[15:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.1123 = 0.5615 BTC [-]	[15:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.11220001 = 2.244 BTC [-]	[15:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.1122 = 11.22 BTC [-]	[15:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.11211 = 0.3363 BTC [-]	[15:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.10810012 = 2.162 BTC [-]	[15:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.107 = 0.214 BTC [-]	[15:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.106 = 0.318 BTC [-]	[15:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 170 @ 0.1055 = 17.935 BTC [-]	[15:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.1054 = 1.054 BTC [-]	[15:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.10531012 = 3.1593 BTC [-]	[15:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.10531011 = 2.1062 BTC [-]	[15:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.10531011 = 2.1062 BTC [-]	[15:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.10531002 = 0.5266 BTC [-]	[15:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 200 @ 0.10531001 = 21.062 BTC [-]	[15:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 200 @ 0.100001 = 20.0002 BTC [-]	[15:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.10000001 = 5 BTC [-]	[15:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.10000001 = 2.5 BTC [-]	[15:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1000 @ 0.1 = 100 BTC [-]	[15:47]
JWU42	oh my	[15:47]
DeaDTerra	WOW	[15:48]
DeaDTerra	that was a hug dump	[15:48]
DeaDTerra	hack?	[15:48]
JWU42	someone needed some BTC	[15:48]
DeaDTerra	fuck I should have had a bid up...	[15:48]
DeaDTerra	it always drops^^	[15:49]
DeaDTerra	though with the recent good news it will go up again soon	[15:49]
k3t3r	!ticker	[15:50]
assbot	Provide ticker.	[15:50]
k3t3r	;;ticker	[15:51]
gribble	Best bid: 11.79052, Best ask: 11.81, Bid-ask spread: 0.01948, Last trade: 11.8, 24 hour volume: 32140, 24 hour low: 11.6304, 24 hour high: 12.2811	[15:51]
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DeaDTerra	haha lol xD	[15:59]
DeaDTerra	nice :D	[15:59]
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DeaDTerra	this whole Goat situation and the GLBSE shares makes me feel old xD	[16:05]
DeaDTerra	It was so long ago and almost noone that's currently in the lending community was there	[16:05]
Diablo-D3	who cares about goat anyways	[16:06]
Diablo-D3	hes just a troll	[16:06]
DeaDTerra	I just feel like Nef is getting a lot of shit recently	[16:09]
nefario	is Goat here?	[16:09]
Diablo-D3	DeaDTerra: well, being drama king of the hour isnt helping him	[16:10]
DeaDTerra	nope don't think so he would probably be screaming at me if that was the case xD	[16:10]
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Diablo-D3	lets try a goat summoning spell	[16:11]
DeaDTerra	hahah xD	[16:11]
*	Diablo-D3 holds up nudes of vaguely underageish asian women	[16:11]
Diablo-D3	usagi: what, seriously?	[16:11]
DeaDTerra	Anyways, I am going to go back to my studies brb	[16:11]
Diablo-D3	hes actually doing that?	[16:11]
Diablo-D3	I thought he was trolling	[16:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00041662 = 15.9565 BTC [-]	[16:12]
Diablo-D3	usagi: you keep telling people you're a japanese pricness	[16:12]
Diablo-D3	japan only has one princess, and unless she happens to be far more elegant than she looks, I would not hit that.	[16:12]
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Diablo-D3	you know what I want to know?	[16:13]
Diablo-D3	when did women stop being elegant	[16:13]
Diablo-D3	I already know most of the story	[16:13]
Diablo-D3	its when we started putting drugs in the water to feminise men to prevent an uprising	[16:14]
Diablo-D3	it also caused women to never progress mentally farther than mere girls	[16:14]
Diablo-D3	maybe we need some sort of women education centers	[16:16]
Diablo-D3	it can crank out women who will happily join society instead of ruin it	[16:16]
Diablo-D3	just because you can pop out children doesnt mean you should.	[16:17]
Diablo-D3	seriously	[16:18]
Diablo-D3	how many 30 and 40 year old "women" wear everything pink	[16:18]
Diablo-D3	or have their tits enlarged	[16:19]
Diablo-D3	or put fruity colors in their hair	[16:19]
Diablo-D3	or wear outlandish clothing	[16:19]
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Diablo-D3	or expect their man to do everything	[16:21]
Diablo-D3	I think thats the worst offense of them all	[16:21]
Diablo-D3	usagi: and when the hell did people stop having meaningful conversations	[16:22]
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Diablo-D3	wgy?	[16:32]
Diablo-D3	why?	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	Diablo-D3 it's called slavery. whips and chains. it works wonders.	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	makes elegant and centered women. that's your education center.	[16:36]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.05 BTC [-]	[16:36]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MOVETO.FUND] 5 @ 0.85 = 4.25 BTC [-]	[16:37]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MOVETO.FUND] 5 @ 0.83 = 4.15 BTC [-]	[16:37]
assbot	[GLBSE] [CPA] 10 @ 0.06999 = 0.6999 BTC [+]	[16:37]
assbot	[GLBSE] [CPA] 9 @ 0.05 = 0.45 BTC [-]	[16:38]
assbot	[GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.04302 BTC [-]	[16:38]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: no, that makes for stupid women	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	nah.	[16:38]
Diablo-D3	yes, look at what passes for "hot" now adays	[16:39]
Diablo-D3	high school dropouts that just pop out children to 5 different men	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	has nothing to do with that tho.	[16:39]
Lucidize	you guys talking about ur mams? lol	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	Lucidize no yours	[16:39]
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Lucidize	lol too funny, u sound like small kids =)	[16:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3425 @ 0.00027718 = 0.9493 BTC [-]	[16:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6200 @ 0.00027711 = 1.7181 BTC [-]	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	no u	[16:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5175 @ 0.00027681 = 1.4325 BTC [-]	[16:40]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.1099 = 0.2198 BTC [+]	[16:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9584 @ 0.00041662 = 3.9929 BTC [-]	[16:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6516 @ 0.00041644 = 2.7135 BTC [-]	[16:40]
Lucidize	just turning the mirror round to u	[16:40]
kakobrekla	i turned it first!	[16:40]
Lucidize	so disrespectful to women	[16:40]
assbot	[GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.02153 BTC [-]	[16:40]
kakobrekla	glup.	[16:41]
kakobrekla	well	[16:41]
kakobrekla	my bids got eaten over night	[16:41]
kakobrekla	;>	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	Lucidize what's that even mean, "disrespectful to women"	[16:42]
Lucidize	don't you have a dictionary? look it up	[16:43]
Lucidize	it doesn't matter, i don't usually converse with bottom feeders	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	.ud disrespectful to women	[16:44]
Lucidize	do i have to correct myself, u can't see what that is supposed to say? lol	[16:44]
Lucidize	out to lunch have fun =)	[16:45]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.1099 = 0.8792 BTC [+]	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	i just think it's the sort of non-concept the intellectually lazy hide behind	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	that is all.	[16:45]
Lucidize	correct, im lazy =)	[16:46]
Lucidize	hence the typos	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	women are just a gender. you can't respect the color pink, the edge of a cube or "women".	[16:47]
Lucidize	I see what you are saying, but generalizing is also poor form	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	this is true.	[16:48]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.1099 = 2.7475 BTC [+]	[16:48]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 125 @ 0.11 = 13.75 BTC [+]	[16:48]
Lucidize	anywayreally gotta go, i wasn't trolling - just caught a sentence from diablo that annoyed me and wanted to make a short comment =)	[16:49]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.11 = 1.76 BTC [+]	[16:50]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.11 = 0.22 BTC [+]	[16:59]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.37890052 BTC [-]	[17:01]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 10 @ 0.37890052 = 3.789 BTC [-]	[17:01]
assbot	[GLBSE] [DMC] 9 @ 0.06 = 0.54 BTC [-]	[17:01]
assbot	[GLBSE] [DMC] 7 @ 0.0605 = 0.4235 BTC [+]	[17:01]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 3 @ 0.37890052 = 1.1367 BTC [-]	[17:02]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.5097 BTC [+]	[17:03]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26679 @ 0.00041717 = 11.1297 BTC [+]	[17:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00041763 = 6.6821 BTC [+]	[17:10]
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PsychoticBoy	In about 6 hours from now, FDBF is paying its weekly dividends!	[17:16]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 3 @ 0.108495 = 0.3255 BTC [+]	[17:16]
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kakobrekla	no moonlanding.	[17:23]
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kakobrekla	hm do we have self conscious bot on glbse?	[17:25]
BTC-Mining	Yes, very self-conscious bots. They keep worrying about their appearance.	[17:26]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 1 @ 0.072499 BTC [-]	[17:34]
BTC-Mining	Well I need something to spend money on. Got 280 BTC laying around and looking for some deals.	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	so get a mpoe bond	[17:35]
BTC-Mining	Seeing last dividend... I'd say 0.15 BTC	[17:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1856 @ 0.00027681 = 0.5138 BTC [-]	[17:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5744 @ 0.00027619 = 1.5864 BTC [-]	[17:37]
BTC-Mining	So I guess I can't currently purchase.	[17:37]
BTC-Mining	I should probably read actual income statements	[17:38]
BTC-Mining	mircea_popescu: yes I was looking at the passthroughs	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	passthroughs ?	[17:39]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FUTUREFUND] 220 @ 0.00012935 = 0.0285 BTC [-]	[17:44]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 7 @ 0.3759001 = 2.6313 BTC [-]	[17:52]
PsychoticBoy	BFL will ship your mini rig in 2013 (april earliest) and if you order now you will be at the bottom of the list	[17:54]
PsychoticBoy	I will get mine first	[17:54]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.64030001 BTC [-]	[17:54]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.6403 = 1.2806 BTC [-]	[17:54]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 0.64020001 = 2.5608 BTC [-]	[17:54]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.6402 BTC [-]	[17:54]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 21 @ 0.64 = 13.44 BTC [-]	[17:54]
PsychoticBoy	+ 30K is a lot and might not ever be repayd by mining with it	[17:55]
BTC-Mining	passthroughs ?	[17:56]
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BTC-Mining	yes, passthrough. The MPOE.ETF on GLBSE	[17:56]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.63100001 = 1.262 BTC [-]	[17:56]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 19 @ 0.631 = 11.989 BTC [-]	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	o. i meant mpoe bonds. they have the advantage you set your own interest.	[17:57]
BTC-Mining	Weird	[17:57]
BTC-Mining	I'll take ∞% interest then =P	[17:58]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.63999999 BTC [+]	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/sa-ne-jucam-de-a-investitiile-n-bitcoini/#comment-78745 see there how they work.	[17:59]
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assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3156 @ 0.00027619 = 0.8717 BTC [-]	[18:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 659 @ 0.00027585 = 0.1818 BTC [-]	[18:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1900 @ 0.00027584 = 0.5241 BTC [-]	[18:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2900 @ 0.0002758 = 0.7998 BTC [-]	[18:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3885 @ 0.00027566 = 1.0709 BTC [-]	[18:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6203 @ 0.00042 = 2.6053 BTC [+]	[18:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 14100 @ 0.00029352 = 4.1386 BTC [+]	[18:04]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.67567998 BTC [+]	[18:04]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.BVPS] 665 @ 0.00292755 = 1.9468 BTC [+]	[18:07]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 2 @ 0.108495 = 0.217 BTC [+]	[18:07]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1000 @ 0.0034 = 3.4 BTC [-]	[18:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 51176 @ 0.0034 = 173.9984 BTC [+]	[18:10]
DeaDTerra	More S.DICE shares has been bought for GSDPT backing :)	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	how much you hold by now, half a mil ?	[18:10]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BIF-AG-INDEX] 1 @ 0.17 BTC [-]	[18:10]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0034 = 3.4 BTC [+]	[18:12]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TICKER] 290 @ 0.35 = 101.5 BTC [-]	[18:17]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 35 @ 0.11 = 3.85 BTC [+]	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	"TCThe china's largest and earliest bitcoin website information portal http://www.hxtop.com as hackers through sql injection bug get the control of the virtual host(windows2003 system) hxtop.com unable to access normally now."	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[18:25]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 47 @ 0.11 = 5.17 BTC [+]	[18:26]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 52 @ 0.11 = 5.72 BTC [+]	[18:26]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.11 = 1.87 BTC [+]	[18:27]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.11 = 11 BTC [+]	[18:28]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.11 = 2.2 BTC [+]	[18:29]
DeaDTerra	500,000 shares of GSDPT has been issued :)	[18:31]
DeaDTerra	so 5% of the total amount	[18:31]
BTC-Mining	or 0.5% of the total shares of SD...	[18:32]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-BOND] 200 @ 0.00995 = 1.99 BTC [-]	[18:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17258 @ 0.00042 = 7.2484 BTC [+]	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	what's their income look like this month ?	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	there was a guy who kept track of it independently but i dun recall who now	[18:40]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.109999 = 2.75 BTC [-]	[18:40]
BTC-Mining	OBSI.HRPT sure is going down	[18:41]
BTC-Mining	ASICMINER too	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[18:42]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GSDPT] 33 @ 0.0034 = 0.1122 BTC [-]	[18:42]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BLUECHIP] 5 @ 0.1 = 0.5 BTC [+]	[18:44]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BLUECHIP] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+]	[18:45]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.071006 = 0.142 BTC [-]	[18:45]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1098 BTC [-]	[18:47]
*	BTC-Mining points usagi to usagi's own bitcoins	[18:47]
BTC-Mining	requirement met	[18:47]
BTC-Mining	You already have 100 BTC	[18:48]
BTC-Mining	OOOOHHH, right...	[18:48]
*	BTC-Mining takes usagi's pet and holds a knife to his throat.	[18:49]
BTC-Mining	Is that good bargaining?	[18:49]
BTC-Mining	What kind of software?	[18:49]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.071003 = 0.142 BTC [-]	[18:49]
BTC-Mining	Oh, the adobe suit	[18:50]
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BTC-Mining	>.>	[18:51]
BTC-Mining	Let me guess, pirated?	[18:51]
BTC-Mining	Then why do you have it in chinese? Can't you just get the english installer?	[18:51]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1098 BTC [-]	[18:52]
BTC-Mining	I thought you were in Canada	[18:52]
BTC-Mining	I'm pretty sure you said so...	[18:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.071 BTC [-]	[18:52]
BTC-Mining	Multiple times...	[18:52]
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BTC-Mining	Plus your domain name is canadian	[18:53]
nefario	yeah	[18:55]
nefario	I'll sell all his info for a burrito	[18:55]
BTC-Mining	Yeah, but you told me you were in Canada, I'm 99.99% sure of that. Plus .ca domains are for canadian business/residents only.	[18:55]
nefario	does anyone have a breakfast burrito?	[18:55]
*	BTC-Mining hands nefario a breakfast burrito.	[18:55]
nefario	lol	[18:55]
nefario	just for the record	[18:55]
nefario	that was a joke	[18:55]
nefario	incase anyone wants to take me out of context	[18:56]
BTC-Mining	I think everyone knew	[18:56]
BTC-Mining	But yes, misquoting seems common around these parts	[18:56]
nefario	OMG !!! NEFARIO IS SELLING USERS INFO FOR A BURRITO!!!	[18:56]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 2 @ 0.0615 = 0.123 BTC [-]	[18:56]
nefario	would be funny headlines	[18:56]
nefario	lol	[18:56]
nefario	"USE MY EXCHANGE, NEFARIO WILL SELL YOUR IDENTITY FOR A BURRITO"	[18:57]
nefario	and then every time Im on irc	[18:57]
nefario	he'll be like	[18:57]
nefario	DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT SAY YOU WOULD SELL USERS INFO FOR A BREAKFAST BURRITO?!!!	[18:57]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.1098 = 0.2196 BTC [-]	[18:58]
nefario	and I would try to explain about the context and sarcasm	[18:58]
nefario	and he would start shouting	[18:58]
nefario	ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!	[18:58]
nefario	YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!	[18:58]
nefario	YOU HAD ME AT HELLO	[18:58]
nefario	ha	[18:58]
DeaDTerra	whats going on in drama land now? :)	[18:58]
nefario	no Im doing a mircea impression	[18:59]
nefario	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112071.msg1214385#msg1214385	[19:00]
Bane_Capital	usagi: lol did you just use military terminology	[19:00]
Bane_Capital	ARE YOU TRYING FOR A SECTION 8	[19:00]
nefario	I believe he is using a full metal jacket reference	[19:00]
nefario	hey cowboy	[19:01]
nefario	I think leanards a section 8	[19:01]
nefario	or however you spell the name	[19:01]
nefario	lol	[19:01]
nefario	such a good moive	[19:01]
Bane_Capital	>writes down	[19:01]
Bane_Capital	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112228.0	[19:02]
Bane_Capital	I tried to warn a friend in Argentina about this	[19:02]
Bane_Capital	She had a chance	[19:02]
Bane_Capital	but nooooo	[19:02]
Bane_Capital	she didn't listen	[19:02]
nefario	Everyone	[19:02]
Bane_Capital	now she's stuck with worthless pesos	[19:02]
nefario	read this on the goat/GLBSE share saga	[19:03]
nefario	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112071.msg1214385#msg1214385	[19:03]
Bane_Capital	Just did, bro.	[19:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5786 @ 0.00027566 = 1.595 BTC [-]	[19:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1400 @ 0.00027504 = 0.3851 BTC [-]	[19:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6700 @ 0.00027469 = 1.8404 BTC [-]	[19:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00042 = 1.68 BTC [+]	[19:03]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.1098 = 0.7686 BTC [-]	[19:04]
nefario	that seems fair and reasonable right?	[19:04]
Bane_Capital	Indeed.	[19:04]
nefario	doesn't mean goat will accept	[19:04]
nefario	but hey	[19:04]
nefario	I think if the shareholders go for it	[19:04]
nefario	and	[19:04]
nefario	he wants to hold onto those shares	[19:05]
nefario	then	[19:05]
nefario	he is going to have to buy back the ones he sold	[19:05]
nefario	at the price he paid	[19:05]
Bane_Capital	How many GLBSE shares are there in total? That might be classified but I am interested.	[19:05]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 49 @ 0.1098 = 5.3802 BTC [-]	[19:05]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 45 @ 0.11 = 4.95 BTC [+]	[19:05]
nefario	about 70K	[19:06]
Bane_Capital	lol	[19:06]
Bane_Capital	and we're fighting about 80 shares	[19:06]
nefario	yeah	[19:07]
nefario	it's not about the BTC involved	[19:07]
nefario	it's just the restrictions that are there because of the rules	[19:08]
nefario	which I have to follow	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77469.msg1213445#msg1213445 Diablo-D3 so did you get dmc back ?	[19:09]
k3t3r	this channel needs a new command to deal with all the drama !Botcorn munch! munch! munch!	[19:12]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 41 @ 0.11 = 4.51 BTC [+]	[19:13]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.11219898 = 1.122 BTC [+]	[19:13]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 249 @ 0.115 = 28.635 BTC [+]	[19:13]
assbot	[GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.56 BTC [-]	[19:14]
assbot	[GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.5599 BTC [-]	[19:14]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.115 = 1.15 BTC [+]	[19:15]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABMC] 21 @ 0.08285008 = 1.7399 BTC [-]	[19:16]
BTC-Mining	Everybody buy... ASICMINER	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:17]
BTC-Mining	I thought they'd drop more =/	[19:17]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.114999 = 1.955 BTC [-]	[19:18]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 27 @ 0.115 = 3.105 BTC [+]	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	Looking for a 3btc loan to roll dice. Truth.	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[19:19]
BTC-Mining	Yeah... I think I'll loan to myself and just roll if I was interested in such a risky investment	[19:20]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGA.CONTRACT] 2 @ 0.0611001 = 0.1222 BTC [-]	[19:20]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.11499 BTC [-]	[19:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 124 @ 0.11499 = 14.2588 BTC [-]	[19:22]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 90 @ 0.115 = 10.35 BTC [+]	[19:22]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 124 @ 0.115 = 14.26 BTC [+]	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	i think that may be better than average in terms of risk.	[19:22]
BTC-Mining	... true	[19:23]
BTC-Mining	So the advice here is... don't loan	[19:23]
BTC-Mining	Except to yourself	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	hmm, who runs bets of bitcoin ?	[19:29]
BTC-Mining	no idea	[19:29]
Bane_Capital	http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2rCP4CRRO7E	[19:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5229 @ 0.00041856 = 2.1887 BTC [-]	[19:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7371 @ 0.00041644 = 3.0696 BTC [-]	[19:31]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.08994999 BTC [+]	[19:33]
k3t3r	!ticker YABMC	[19:34]
assbot	[GLBSE:YABMC] [Bid: 0.08215] [Ask: 0.08994999] [Spread: 0.00779999] [Last: 0.08994999] [24hVol: 4.91270168] [7dAvg: 0.08392129]	[19:34]
nefario	Bane_Capital: video is awesomesauce	[19:34]
assbot	[GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.5599 BTC [-]	[19:36]
assbot	[GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.5546 BTC [-]	[19:36]
assbot	[GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.5543 BTC [-]	[19:36]
assbot	[GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.5543 = 2.2172 BTC [-]	[19:36]
Bane_Capital	lol	[19:39]
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nefario	so	[19:44]
nefario	just to get some value from my 1 wee k travel card	[19:44]
nefario	Im going to ride the tube for a couple of hours	[19:45]
nefario	just switching trains and reading a book	[19:45]
nefario	later	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	being homeless must suck.	[19:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 5 @ 0.108495 = 0.5425 BTC [+]	[19:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 0.673 = 2.692 BTC [-]	[19:48]
BTC-Mining	Nah, just wasting time in a train is great to relax. It's better when it's not a "tube" train tho	[19:48]
BTC-Mining	Surface trains = less stops and better scenery. Usually smoother ride too.	[19:49]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.1084999 BTC [+]	[19:49]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 118 @ 0.0044 = 0.5192 BTC [+]	[19:50]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.1085 BTC [+]	[19:50]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 7 @ 0.1087 = 0.7609 BTC [+]	[19:51]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.1088 BTC [+]	[19:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 15 @ 0.1091 = 1.6365 BTC [+]	[19:53]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BFLS] 86 @ 0.5462 = 46.9732 BTC [-]	[19:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2300 @ 0.00027429 = 0.6309 BTC [-]	[19:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1500 @ 0.00027411 = 0.4112 BTC [-]	[19:59]
kakobrekla	anyone here keeps a paper backup of their bitcoin private keys?	[20:02]
assbot	[GLBSE] [CPA] 3 @ 0.04 = 0.12 BTC [+]	[20:08]
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Obsi	nefario: can you comment on offering to sell users information for a breakfast burrito?	[20:13]
Obsi	:-D	[20:13]
nefario	is there a thread on that?	[20:14]
Obsi	nah just read the buffer	[20:14]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.37840038 = 0.7568 BTC [+]	[20:14]
nefario	lol	[20:14]
DeaDTerra	haha xD	[20:15]
DeaDTerra	btw have you decided on what is needed by the asset to reach the different levels of the market?	[20:15]
DeaDTerra	white,blue,pink etc?	[20:15]
teek	breakfast burrito?	[20:16]
Obsi	haha	[20:16]
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Obsi	just to clarify it was a joke teek	[20:16]
teek	breakfast burritos are not a joking matter	[20:17]
teek	:P	[20:17]
Obsi	to taco bell!	[20:17]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [RSM] 4 @ 0.3 = 1.2 BTC [+]	[20:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 15300 @ 0.00027411 = 4.1939 BTC [-]	[20:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3143 @ 0.00027402 = 0.8612 BTC [-]	[20:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2822 @ 0.00041644 = 1.1752 BTC [-]	[20:25]
assbot	[GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.03000001 BTC [-]	[20:26]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GSDPT] 9 @ 0.00339999 = 0.0306 BTC [-]	[20:27]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.079 BTC [+]	[20:35]
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assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4340 @ 0.00027402 = 1.1892 BTC [-]	[20:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 0.63469996 = 3.1735 BTC [-]	[20:53]
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assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.66899999 BTC [+]	[21:02]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.66500001 = 1.33 BTC [-]	[21:12]
assbot	Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).	[21:12]
assbot	CPA [1@1BTC] paid: 0.00569688 BTC. Last price: 0.03000001 BTC. Capital gain: -0.96999999 BTC. Total: -0.96430311 BTC. (-96.4%)	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112038.0 if anyone needs a laugh.	[21:13]
kakobrekla	its 0.1 afaik?	[21:14]
kakobrekla	!pl cpa 0.1	[21:14]
assbot	Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).	[21:14]
assbot	CPA [1@0.1BTC] paid: 0.00569688 BTC. Last price: 0.03000001 BTC. Capital gain: -0.06999999 BTC. Total: -0.06430311 BTC. (-64.3%)	[21:15]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.00337 = 0.0067 BTC [-]	[21:17]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GSDPT] 999 @ 0.00336 = 3.3566 BTC [-]	[21:17]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.003351 = 0.067 BTC [-]	[21:17]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GSDPT] 500 @ 0.00335 = 1.675 BTC [-]	[21:17]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.003301 = 0.0165 BTC [-]	[21:17]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GSDPT] 500 @ 0.0033 = 1.65 BTC [-]	[21:17]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GSDPT] 400 @ 0.00321 = 1.284 BTC [-]	[21:17]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GSDPT] 574 @ 0.0032 = 1.8368 BTC [-]	[21:17]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.66500001 = 1.33 BTC [-]	[21:21]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 200 @ 0.11 = 22 BTC [-]	[21:22]
BTC-Mining	CPA had money around in "safe deposits" like HaskKing's and numerous others	[21:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2600 @ 0.00027402 = 0.7125 BTC [-]	[21:23]
BTC-Mining	So yeah, guess what? Everyone gladly took CPA's deposit for non-pirate stuff... and then when pirate defaults... oops...	[21:24]
BTC-Mining	"But I thought Pirate was safe!"	[21:24]
copumpkin	ARRR	[21:24]
BTC-Mining	Well many weren't 100% in pirate...	[21:25]
BTC-Mining	but it still caused lots of problems	[21:25]
BTC-Mining	Yes, what I'm saying. Stupid people collecting money on lies to put in ponzis	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	see the forum link above about the "hyip investment fund"	[21:34]
Diablo-D3	man	[21:36]
Diablo-D3	Im going to start an investment fund	[21:36]
Diablo-D3	"diablo blows it on hookers high yield investment fund"	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	thought you already did that.	[21:37]
Diablo-D3	no, thats more nefario's kind of thing	[21:37]
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BTC-Mining	last week? Was posted yesterday.	[21:39]
BTC-Mining	Y u no share time machine usagi?	[21:39]
BTC-Mining	Hand out the account csv and let people run it in their custom tools.	[21:42]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.66500001 BTC [-]	[21:43]
BTC-Mining	CPA's portfolio	[21:43]
BTC-Mining	I guess maybe all of them, CPA/NYAN/BMF?	[21:44]
BTC-Mining	EskimoBob, yeah, I'm kind of pushing Nefario a bit for funds/portfolio managers to have the option to make the account holdings public at any time directly from GLBSE	[21:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.43859981 BTC [+]	[21:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36491 @ 0.00041644 = 15.1963 BTC [-]	[21:49]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.43859982 BTC [+]	[21:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8209 @ 0.00041628 = 3.4172 BTC [-]	[21:49]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 4 @ 0.43859982 = 1.7544 BTC [+]	[21:49]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.43859982 BTC [+]	[21:49]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 12 @ 0.48299999 = 5.796 BTC [+]	[21:50]
Luceo	./Sup usagi	[21:51]
Luceo	Without ./ :D	[21:51]
BTC-Mining	Seriously... not ONE, SINGLE attack lines of the "moron/retard/troll" is even worth answering, ever. Especially by more "moron/retard/troll" statements. Stay classy my friends.	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining party pooper.	[21:52]
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BTC-Mining	It's his term for anything that loses a large % of initial IPO price. EskimoBog tags them as financial turds.	[21:53]
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BTC-Mining	He was asking if CPA was turning into one.	[21:53]
BTC-Mining	mircea_popescu: Good call...	[21:55]
BTC-Mining	I shouldn't interupt the pary like that.	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining if it's a party you're the only one in it not on my ignore, so...	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	i'm missing out.	[21:55]
BTC-Mining	Oh... how sad, mircea	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	i just looked, 350+ lines ignored this session alone. i am a happy man.	[21:58]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BBBB] 1 @ 0.00019 BTC [+]	[22:00]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GSDPT] 700 @ 0.0033 = 2.31 BTC [+]	[22:04]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.BVPS] 86 @ 0.00293971 = 0.2528 BTC [+]	[22:14]
assbot	[GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.03500001 BTC [-]	[22:17]
assbot	[GLBSE] [DMC] 100 @ 0.035 = 3.5 BTC [-]	[22:17]
assbot	[GLBSE] [DMC] 5 @ 0.03100101 = 0.155 BTC [-]	[22:17]
assbot	[GLBSE] [DMC] 190 @ 0.030001 = 5.7002 BTC [-]	[22:17]
assbot	[GLBSE] [DMC] 4 @ 0.03 = 0.12 BTC [-]	[22:17]
BTC-Mining	I can usually come to terms with all people, simply by not being fast to pull on the trigger.	[22:17]
BTC-Mining	Goodbye DMC it seems	[22:18]
assbot	[GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.03000001 BTC [+]	[22:18]
assbot	[GLBSE] [DMC] 37 @ 0.03 = 1.11 BTC [-]	[22:18]
BTC-Mining	Indeed.	[22:19]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.BVPS] 164 @ 0.00293971 = 0.4821 BTC [+]	[22:25]
PsychoticBoy	60GH/s at $1,299, Avalon ASIC debuts as the leading product in its field. Coming to your doorsteps Q1 of 2013.	[22:27]
PsychoticBoy	F ASICMINER here comes Avalon	[22:28]
PsychoticBoy	i wouldnt trust random chinese guys	[22:29]
PsychoticBoy	Tiraspol: the one argument I have aga	[22:29]
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BTC-Mining	Well there's some regulations against manipulations. Although spreading rumors to bring the price down would be considered, I don't think putting large underpriced asks counts.	[22:32]
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mircea_popescu	so it's about $20/gh by now ?	[22:33]
assbot	[GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 3 @ 0.99999999 = 3 BTC [+]	[22:34]
BTC-Mining	Looks like it...	[22:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46091 @ 0.00041628 = 19.1868 BTC [-]	[22:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00041599 = 3.1199 BTC [-]	[22:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58700 @ 0.00041545 = 24.3869 BTC [-]	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	makes the entire newtork worth about 400k amt ?	[22:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59700 @ 0.00041504 = 24.7779 BTC [-]	[22:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00041499 = 0.2075 BTC [-]	[22:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00041486 = 14.0638 BTC [-]	[22:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00041457 = 2.1143 BTC [-]	[22:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00041425 = 1.6984 BTC [-]	[22:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00041403 = 7.6182 BTC [-]	[22:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00041376 = 1.324 BTC [-]	[22:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3845 @ 0.00041351 = 1.5899 BTC [-]	[22:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39964 @ 0.00041346 = 16.5235 BTC [-]	[22:35]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.0799 BTC [+]	[22:35]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 50 @ 0.0799 = 3.995 BTC [+]	[22:35]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 58 @ 0.07999998 = 4.64 BTC [+]	[22:35]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 75 @ 0.08 = 6 BTC [+]	[22:35]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.082 BTC [+]	[22:35]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.08299999 = 0.249 BTC [+]	[22:35]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.083 = 0.83 BTC [+]	[22:35]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.08398 = 0.168 BTC [+]	[22:36]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 37 @ 0.08399999 = 3.108 BTC [+]	[22:36]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 75 @ 0.084 = 6.3 BTC [+]	[22:36]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.08499999 = 0.255 BTC [+]	[22:36]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 5 @ 0.085 = 0.425 BTC [+]	[22:36]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 70 @ 0.08899999 = 6.23 BTC [+]	[22:36]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.089 = 0.89 BTC [+]	[22:36]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BBBB] 39 @ 0.00019 = 0.0074 BTC [+]	[22:36]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 39 @ 0.089 = 3.471 BTC [+]	[22:37]
assbot	[GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 41 @ 0.08948199 = 3.6688 BTC [+]	[22:37]
BTC-Mining	Lol... 400k for 6 x 50 BTC x 12 USD = 3600 USD an hour	[22:38]
BTC-Mining	1% per hour returns... at that worth...	[22:38]
BTC-Mining	But we all know the GPUs currently mining are incredibly more expensive than that =/	[22:39]
BTC-Mining	I'm surprised it hasn't sold down to 0	[22:39]
BTC-Mining	I'm surprised pirate still sells around 3-5%	[22:39]
Obsi	EskimoBob: They sent me negative infinity	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining of course at that price there's going to be 1-200 th maybe	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	also there's some electricity cost you have to substract	[22:43]
midnightmagic	BTC-Mining: well so far his story is internally consistent, I'm not surprised at all.	[22:44]
BTC-Mining	Yup but negligible if you get 1% per hour on mining =P	[22:44]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 3 @ 0.08199 = 0.246 BTC [-]	[22:45]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.119999 BTC [+]	[22:46]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TEEK.A] 20 @ 0.87499 = 17.4998 BTC [-]	[22:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TEEK.A] 6 @ 0.91 = 5.46 BTC [+]	[22:47]
assbot	[GLBSE] [FDBF] 15 @ 0.1499 = 2.2485 BTC [+]	[22:49]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 4 @ 0.985 = 3.94 BTC [+]	[22:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [TEEK.USD] 10 @ 0.08333 = 0.8333 BTC [+]	[22:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.5799 = 2.3196 BTC [+]	[22:52]
assbot	[GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 6 @ 0.58 = 3.48 BTC [+]	[22:53]
assbot	[GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [+]	[22:54]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.119999 = 0.6 BTC [+]	[22:54]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 17 @ 0.12 = 2.04 BTC [+]	[22:54]
assbot	[GLBSE] [CPA] 6 @ 0.03 = 0.18 BTC [-]	[22:55]
assbot	[GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.41800001 BTC [+]	[22:58]
assbot	[GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 3 @ 0.418 = 1.254 BTC [-]	[22:58]
assbot	[GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 33 @ 0.416 = 13.728 BTC [-]	[22:58]
assbot	[GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 13 @ 0.415 = 5.395 BTC [-]	[22:58]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.12 = 0.96 BTC [+]	[22:59]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10176 @ 0.00041751 = 4.2486 BTC [+]	[23:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2430 @ 0.00041936 = 1.019 BTC [+]	[23:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4794 @ 0.00042 = 2.0135 BTC [+]	[23:02]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTCMC] 3 @ 0.57 = 1.71 BTC [-]	[23:11]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTCMC] 2 @ 0.56 = 1.12 BTC [-]	[23:11]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 8 @ 0.08 = 0.64 BTC [-]	[23:14]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASIC.COOP] 1 @ 0.85 BTC [+]	[23:14]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 1 @ 0.06172505 BTC [-]	[23:15]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 10 @ 0.06172504 = 0.6173 BTC [-]	[23:15]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 25 @ 0.061725 = 1.5431 BTC [-]	[23:15]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 50 @ 0.06172 = 3.086 BTC [-]	[23:15]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 12 @ 0.061715 = 0.7406 BTC [-]	[23:15]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 2 @ 0.0617 = 0.1234 BTC [-]	[23:15]
Bane_Capital	"Using botnets to mine Bitcoins deprives hard-working legitimate Bitcoin miners from generating those coins and therefore receiving payment."	[23:18]
Bane_Capital	People are so entitled. If they don't like a botnet, take it down.	[23:19]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 0.63499999 = 3.175 BTC [-]	[23:20]
Bane_Capital	BTC-Mining, will your share price decline perpetually as difficulty goes up?	[23:22]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.63489999 = 1.9047 BTC [-]	[23:22]
BTC-Mining	You're saying that like it's easy to do, or that it's perfectly fair that some individuals reduces the income of other miners using stolen resources.	[23:22]
BTC-Mining	Bane_Capital, I cannot really predict that.	[23:22]
Bane_Capital	BTC-Mining: Reality has never been fair.	[23:23]
BTC-Mining	For now funds are loaned.	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	it is perfectly fair that some individuals use mining power to mine bitcoins	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	and yes, the entitlement is ridiculous	[23:24]
assbot	[GLBSE] [JAH] 8 @ 0.1001 = 0.8008 BTC [-]	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	there's no such thing as a "legitimate" miner.	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	they're all equally legitimate or illegitimate.	[23:24]
Bane_Capital	All I am going to say is that if the universe is hurting you through starvation, bad weather or illness and you want otherwise	[23:25]
Bane_Capital	You're going to have to work to get what you want in the end.	[23:25]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0033 = 0.33 BTC [+]	[23:25]
Bane_Capital	No matter the supposed ethics.	[23:25]
Bane_Capital	Is it really theft if the computer user doesn't realize a thing?	[23:27]
Bane_Capital	So, who is the victim? I mean, the computer user has no feelings or pain in regards to it.	[23:27]
BTC-Mining	one contribute to the network by paying for the resources they use. The others by stealing others CPU/GPU time and electricity, making those lose money, to get the money from the network in return (a part of what would go to regular miners.) It has nothing to do with regular miners feeling entitled to it, it has to do with finding it a very bad practice to cause harms to other for profit	[23:27]
BTC-Mining	(yes I know there's very legal corporations already doing that)	[23:27]
Bane_Capital	Smoovious: What is property in the end? It's whatever you have possession of. Most property of today was illegitimately claimed.	[23:28]
Bane_Capital	So to speak.	[23:29]
Bane_Capital	I think the real fact is people don't like those who use means they don't want to or can't.	[23:29]
Bane_Capital	I'm just a realist, my friend. I see no point in crying injustice unless you can fix it.	[23:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3210 @ 0.00027402 = 0.8796 BTC [-]	[23:31]
Bane_Capital	In the end it's just "People are doing things I don't like."	[23:31]
Bane_Capital	I justify this through god, morality, ethics, my dick, etc.	[23:32]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.66500001 = 1.995 BTC [+]	[23:32]
Bane_Capital	People think defining a universal set of ethics makes their desires more relevant and important.	[23:32]
BTC-Mining	Doing that would be pointless...	[23:33]
Bane_Capital	You know, I really don't have a point. I'm just being a butthurt nihlist.	[23:33]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.9312 BTC [-]	[23:34]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 9 @ 0.9302 = 8.3718 BTC [-]	[23:34]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 50 @ 0.93 = 46.5 BTC [-]	[23:34]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.9002 BTC [-]	[23:34]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 3 @ 0.9 = 2.7 BTC [-]	[23:34]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.86 = 1.72 BTC [-]	[23:34]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 11 @ 0.8512 = 9.3632 BTC [-]	[23:34]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 4 @ 0.8502 = 3.4008 BTC [-]	[23:34]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.8502 BTC [-]	[23:34]
Bane_Capital	The question comes into how property is claimed.	[23:34]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 5 @ 0.8501 = 4.2505 BTC [-]	[23:34]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 20 @ 0.85 = 17 BTC [-]	[23:34]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.82 BTC [-]	[23:34]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.8004 BTC [-]	[23:34]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 6 @ 0.8002 = 4.8012 BTC [-]	[23:34]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.8002 = 1.6004 BTC [-]	[23:34]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 8 @ 0.80000002 = 6.4 BTC [-]	[23:34]
Bane_Capital	Does the land of Israel belong to the Israeli government?	[23:34]
Bane_Capital	They forced people off the land.	[23:35]
Bane_Capital	Yet they lay claim to it for various reasons.	[23:35]
Bane_Capital	and they do have the force to defend that claim.	[23:35]
BTC-Mining	But you should still follow one, if you want to avoid things. It usually consist of defending people against what you wouldn't want happening to yourself. Just so people who believe it's right to do it are detered.	[23:35]
BTC-Mining	Different ethics tho usually ends up in conflict, especially with people who have ethics allowing them to force things upon others.	[23:35]
Bane_Capital	BTC-Mining: I believe in unions of mutual interests, yes.	[23:36]
BTC-Mining	Good.	[23:36]
Bane_Capital	Smoovious: If you don't pay property taxes, they take your land away.	[23:36]
Bane_Capital	If you violate some sort of code, they take your land away.	[23:36]
Bane_Capital	You're living on it on their terms.	[23:36]
Bane_Capital	If anything, you're a renter.	[23:37]
BTC-Mining	Yes, but you're established in the middle of a community with that set of ethics and mutual interest. You have some rules to respect, but benefit from the public infrastructure.	[23:37]
assbot	[GLBSE] [JLP-BMD] 1 @ 0.091994 BTC [-]	[23:38]
BTC-Mining	You own the property as long as you pay for the benefits from being within said community.	[23:38]
BTC-Mining	If you can't pay the taxes, you can usually sell it before it's repossessed	[23:38]
BTC-Mining	And usually, the government will liquidate it for you then, not take it for free.	[23:38]
BTC-Mining	You're then usually free to relocate.	[23:38]
BTC-Mining	Depends on where you live tho	[23:39]
assbot	[GLBSE] [MU] 1 @ 0.1999 BTC [-]	[23:39]
Bane_Capital	I think this only demonstrates the concept of property varies a lot.	[23:39]
Bane_Capital	You can define what is your property simply by having the force to have it your way.	[23:39]
Bane_Capital	Especially when it comes to governments.	[23:40]
assbot	[GLBSE] [YABMC] 5 @ 0.08245004 = 0.4123 BTC [-]	[23:40]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.66500001 = 1.33 BTC [+]	[23:41]
Bane_Capital	An obligation only goes as far as the means to enforce said obligation	[23:42]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 6 @ 0.09215 = 0.5529 BTC [-]	[23:42]
Bane_Capital	A man has no obligation if he is the highest power in the situation.	[23:42]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 6 @ 0.09215 = 0.5529 BTC [-]	[23:42]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 6 @ 0.0921 = 0.5526 BTC [-]	[23:42]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.09205 BTC [-]	[23:42]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 2 @ 0.09201 = 0.184 BTC [-]	[23:42]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 45 @ 0.08872 = 3.9924 BTC [-]	[23:42]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 9 @ 0.08862 = 0.7976 BTC [-]	[23:42]
assbot	[GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 25 @ 0.0885 = 2.2125 BTC [-]	[23:42]
Bane_Capital	Smoovious: Try collecting debt from a heavily armed militia	[23:43]
Bane_Capital	when they don't recognize it.	[23:43]
Bane_Capital	Doesn't that seem a bit religious to you? What you say is totally imaginary.	[23:43]
Bane_Capital	Nobody has to recognize that.	[23:44]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BITBOND] 3 @ 0.33612 = 1.0084 BTC [-]	[23:44]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.336101 BTC [-]	[23:44]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BITBOND] 6 @ 0.3351 = 2.0106 BTC [-]	[23:44]
Bane_Capital	I mean, imagine telling an animal that it owes you affection.	[23:44]
Bane_Capital	for food.	[23:44]
Bane_Capital	He won't even comprehend the words you say.	[23:44]
Bane_Capital	It's only the idea being recognized that makes any such obligations true.	[23:45]
BTC-Mining	Smoovious, if said persons don't interpret the rules in the same way and refuse to recognize something, how are you more right than them if both side have claims based on interpretation.	[23:45]
BTC-Mining	Either have to convince them yes, or enforced it.	[23:45]
BTC-Mining	or bargain a compromise	[23:45]
Bane_Capital	It is very possible the concept of right and wrong only exist in the individual minds of men	[23:46]
assbot	[GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 60 @ 0.12 = 7.2 BTC [+]	[23:46]
BTC-Mining	It's most likely...	[23:46]
Bane_Capital	The reality between men can only be subjectively perceived.	[23:46]
Bane_Capital	We're discussing if the concept or property is universal in the minds of all men.	[23:48]
Bane_Capital	The answer is unequivocally no.	[23:48]
Bane_Capital	According to your interpretation of theft.	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	easily fixed : those who don't have it are relegated to the status of animal	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	then we kill them,	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	problem solved.	[23:48]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BIF.5-10.MININGBOND] 1 @ 0.33000001 BTC [-]	[23:48]
assbot	[GLBSE] [BIF.5-10.MININGBOND] 4 @ 0.33 = 1.32 BTC [-]	[23:48]
Bane_Capital	Mircea get its.	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	indians in the us didn't have a "proper" concept of property	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	and they've been fixed.	[23:49]
Bane_Capital	Smoovious: I happily recognize your property.	[23:49]
Bane_Capital	I am just saying others will continue not to.	[23:49]
BTC-Mining	I'm pretty sure the definition of theft is "taking something from someone else by force or without the knowledge of the current owner"	[23:49]
Bane_Capital	Because they have their own world	[23:49]
BTC-Mining	So there's no ambiguity that a botnet would be stealing.	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	theft is w/o knowledge. robbery is by force.	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	conversion is by mistake	[23:49]
BTC-Mining	Aye, seems better	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining the fact that a botnet is stealing is irrelevant to the mining.	[23:50]
BTC-Mining	Indeed	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	it's not stealing from miners, it's stealingfrom the owners of the hardware.	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	the miners aren't an injured party in this.	[23:50]
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BTC-Mining	Well their profit share is lowered and it harms others (who pays for equipment degradation and electricity). Since it's something you wouldn't want to see happening to yourself and the reduced profit share is also not in your interest, there's twice the incentive to not be satisfied of the situation.	[23:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7836 @ 0.00041346 = 3.2399 BTC [-]	[23:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00041334 = 3.7201 BTC [-]	[23:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52400 @ 0.00041325 = 21.6543 BTC [-]	[23:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55764 @ 0.00041254 = 23.0049 BTC [-]	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	i really don't see a problem with it.	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	it's owners responsibility to secure their computers	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	if they run bad code they lose the computer.	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	and the miners really can stfu, if they want to mine they can mine, but they;'re not allowed to bring arguments about how others "shouldn't be allowed" to mine	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	an ideal legal system would force any company that had it's computers hacked to pay the hacker a minimum fee plus twice whatever they managed to steal.	[23:55]
Lyspooner	why is twice the ideal amount	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	and everyone who ever worked on windows would be in prison.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	Lyspooner well, punitive damages.	[23:56]
Lyspooner	yeah but twice	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	well if a bank has it's account system hacked and lose 100mn	[23:56]
Bane_Capital	A man once said A man’s opportunities are never exhausted so long as other men (who are not his friends) possess millions of acres and thousands of tons of gold.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	they have to pay another 100mn in punitive damages.	[23:56]
Lyspooner	yeah but why is that ideal	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	because it correctly allots responsibility.	[23:57]
assbot	[GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 0.63499999 = 3.175 BTC [-]	[23:57]
Lyspooner	i would have thought it was at least an irrational number	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	he who runs insecure software is to blame.	[23:57]
Lyspooner	like phi or e	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	haha	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	1 is equally irrational to pi and e.	[23:57]
Bane_Capital	Smoovious: Security auditing is an in-demand field.	[23:57]
Bane_Capital	Government is founded on property, property is founded on conquest, and conquest is founded on Power — and Power is founded on brain and brawn — on Organic Animality.	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	at any rate this current "blame the hacker" atmosphere is noxious.	[23:58]
Lyspooner	mircea_popescu, your PR girl or you dressed up as a PR girl was mean to the BFL guy on the forum	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	lol i don't dress up	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	which bfl guy, the ex-con ?	[23:59]
Bane_Capital	It is my fault for not shooting the intruder.	[23:59]
Lyspooner	yes, the ex-con	[23:59]
Bane_Capital	Yes, I would blame myself if I was robbed of very valuable things.	[23:59]
Bane_Capital	The robber won	[23:59]
Bane_Capital	I lost	[23:59]

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