Forum logs for 23 Oct 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-] [00:03]
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mircea_popescu skinnkavaj hiow's litecoin doing these days ? [00:04]
skinnkavaj mircea_popescu: It's crashing really hard as expected. From 1st of november the uptrend starts. [00:05]
Scrat ThickAsThieves: if there's an upwards trajectory, they benefit by raising the price [00:05]
mircea_popescu wait, "as expected" now ? [00:05]
skinnkavaj Yes [00:05]
mircea_popescu you're getting a feature piece over this lol. [00:05]
skinnkavaj I said [00:05]
skinnkavaj Low will be [00:05]
skinnkavaj 0.007 [00:05]
skinnkavaj LTC/BTC [00:05]
mircea_popescu nope. the first time you mentioned this "0.007" was yesterday. [00:06]
mircea_popescu so no, you didn't "say". [00:06]
Vexual license to die? [00:07]
Vexual the names coin [00:08]
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Vexual lite coin [00:08]
ThickAsThieves ltc is awesome because when bitcoin goes up, it goes down. And when bitcoin goes down, LTC goes down too. Such a giving lover. [00:08]
ThickAsThieves so now youve got an ocean of ltc speculators all trying to put a ring on her. [00:09]
mircea_popescu poor ltc. [00:09]
ThickAsThieves but all she wants to do is go down [00:09]
dub skinnkavaj = fontas? [00:10]
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ThickAsThieves = vancleef=bithub [00:10]
dub oh jesus [00:11]
ThickAsThieves =usagi? [00:11]
mircea_popescu i thoughrt vancleef = madonna [00:11]
ThickAsThieves obv [00:11]
taub keeping the bitstamp orderbook open for too long crashes my firefox [00:13]
taub gah [00:13]
taub but its some interesting shit going down there [00:13]
taub 100k being thrown around left and right [00:13]
dub its firefox [00:13]
jurov just bitstamp trying some 'sploits [00:15]
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mircea_popescu prolly firefox still leaking memory [00:15]
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taub ThickAsThieves: ltc has been sorta steady in terms of $ [00:17]
taub 1.7-1.8 during this recent btc bull move [00:17]
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pankkake that's not very impressive, especially as USD is losing value [00:19]
taub yea [00:19]
pankkake and I guess it's part of the rise of BTC/USD too [00:20]
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pankkake I'm glad I don't have USDs in bitstamp :) [00:21]
taub :/ [00:22]
pankkake being an eurofag and all [00:23]
taub bfx <> bitstamp price parity has been having troubles [00:23]
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taub Not enough USD reserve on Bitstamp, you cannot buy on Bitstamp at the moment. [00:23]
taub hard to trade bfx off bitstamp charts that way [00:23]
taub then again, everybody being thsi long might be a warning flag [00:23]
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gecko_x2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH4C4mh6RME [00:30]
ozbot Disturbed - Indestructible [Full Album] - YouTube [00:30]
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pankkake that's teenager music [00:33]
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gecko_x2 and who's gonna run this world? [00:34]
dub robots [00:34]
dub not teenagers thats for sure [00:34]
gecko_x2 you're gonna die [00:35]
dub useless little cunts [00:35]
gecko_x2 and teenagers are gonna run it [00:35]
dub unlikely [00:35]
gecko_x2 you must be about 25 [00:35]
gecko_x2 enjoy while it lasts [00:36]
pankkake teenagers with attitude [00:37]
jurov and starry eyes [00:39]
dub yes, 25 [00:41]
dub still a teenager myself [00:41]
gecko_x2 then /ignore me immediately [00:41]
gecko_x2 and go live [00:41]
dub you lost me at from finland in all honesty [00:42]
gecko_x2 u dunno anything about that [00:42]
dub never had a usful encounter with a fin [00:42]
gecko_x2 and you shouldn't [00:42]
dub and I find racial stereotypes most efficient [00:43]
gecko_x2 has nothing to do with that [00:43]
gecko_x2 again [00:43]
gecko_x2 don't spend you're time here [00:43]
gecko_x2 go and live [00:43]
gecko_x2 it's gonna be over in a flash [00:43]
gecko_x2 i am death [00:44]
gecko_x2 that's why i annoy you [00:44]
jurov i actually was in finland, did not find anything out of ordinary with finnish guys [00:44]
gecko_x2 if you've seen the world, you would be aware that any people threat their guests better than their own [00:46]
gecko_x2 always [00:46]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/the-dork-of-the-month-award/ [00:46]
ozbot The dork of the month award. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [00:46]
dub clearly never been to 'murica then [00:47]
gecko_x2 and clearly never been arrested abroad. [00:47]
mircea_popescu robots. not teenagers thats for sure <<< that. or meth whores. [00:47]
pankkake lol, that heinlein reference still wats me up [00:47]
jurov not in slovakia. we treat guests and locals woth the same disdain [00:47]
jurov *with . maybe guests even worse [00:48]
mircea_popescu pankkake im not even sure what it's supposed to be [00:48]
pankkake probably because heinlein wrote starship troopers thus is a fascist? [00:48]
gecko_x2 lub ur fucking blog mp [00:48]
mircea_popescu i mean... guy was a pretty good sf writer neh ? pushed up the standards./ [00:48]
gecko_x2 gonna read everything someday [00:48]
gecko_x2 but not today [00:48]
dub is the quote formatting all fucked up? [00:48]
pankkake "October 20" you're missing skinnkavaj saying the first line [00:48]
mircea_popescu gecko_x2 it'll be hjard to do, like 5-10mn words in there [00:49]
pankkake actually the formatting is mostly broken [00:49]
gecko_x2 well i'll start from jan '13 [00:49]
mircea_popescu pankkake aty [00:49]
jurov gecko_x2: seriously, visiting finnnish girl asked me why nobody is smiling in the services around here :D [00:49]
mircea_popescu what did you rtell her ? [00:50]
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gecko_x2 :) [00:50]
gecko_x2 btw [00:51]
gecko_x2 mp [00:51]
gecko_x2 skinnkavaj = swedish [00:51]
gecko_x2 means 'skin suite' [00:51]
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gecko_x2 swedish is my mother tongue [00:51]
mircea_popescu what's that mean in english ? [00:51]
gecko_x2 whaty i just said [00:52]
gecko_x2 suit as in fine suit [00:52]
pankkake skin suite? not skin suit? [00:52]
gecko_x2 no [00:52]
gecko_x2 suit as in armani suit [00:52]
gecko_x2 skin suit [00:52]
gecko_x2 erm [00:52]
gecko_x2 sry [00:52]
gecko_x2 suite yes [00:53]
gecko_x2 skin suite [00:53]
pankkake I'm lost [00:53]
pankkake anyway, it means skinny vagina [00:53]
gecko_x2 i dunno the correct spelling [00:53]
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gecko_x2 but it means as in the suite you wear for business [00:53]
Vexual this room is no good, can i see a suite? [00:53]
gecko_x2 ok just wanted to note [00:54]
mircea_popescu so gecko_x2 a suit is a piece of clothing like i wear, a suite is a hotel arrangement [00:54]
mircea_popescu neither of these go with skin. you mean leather ? [00:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 121 @ 0.00208678 = 0.2525 BTC [-] {4} [00:54]
gecko_x2 exactly [00:54]
gecko_x2 like i said [00:54]
gecko_x2 skin suit [00:54]
mircea_popescu a ok. so leather suit, like on a biker ? [00:54]
gecko_x2 yeah [00:54]
mircea_popescu aite. leater, not skin. skin is always on a live animal. [00:54]
gecko_x2 skinn = skin [00:54]
mircea_popescu like pig is alive and pork dead. [00:55]
gecko_x2 kavai = suit [00:55]
gecko_x2 it sounds weird even in native language [00:55]
pankkake so it means furry [00:55]
gecko_x2 is why i noticed [00:55]
gecko_x2 no [00:55]
gecko_x2 suit like in armani suit [00:55]
mircea_popescu pankkake in fairness, i knew this very hot chick that only wore leather pants. [00:55]
mircea_popescu i think it got to be 50 degrees in her crotch. [00:55]
gecko_x2 mp i once had one of those in my 2000 audi S8 [00:56]
gecko_x2 only she carried a small zipbag of coke in her pussy, in her leather pants [00:56]
gecko_x2 across the border. [00:57]
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mircea_popescu so did it crack under the pressure ? [00:57]
gecko_x2 360 BHP freely respirated [00:57]
Vexual lol coke diamonds [00:57]
gecko_x2 awd with bosch electronically locked center diff [00:57]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp7wQP2omi4 [00:58]
ozbot Direttore magistrale Duca conte PierMatteo Barambani - YouTube [00:58]
mircea_popescu btw, am i the only fantocci fan here ? [00:58]
gecko_x2 top speed limited to 320 kph [00:58]
gecko_x2 etc.. [00:58]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00587 = 0.2055 BTC [+] [00:58]
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jurov http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/the-navys-newest-warship-is-powered-by-linux/ finally found my ideal colo facility :D [00:59]
mircea_popescu ha! [01:00]
mircea_popescu usure it's not osx ? [01:00]
pankkake it would be a full aluminum ship with glowing USA flag if it was [01:01]
jurov dont' matter. as long as it can alunch missiles in case of ddos [01:01]
mircea_popescu lmao if that thing ends up beached because ddos... [01:02]
mircea_popescu ima go visit the wreck. [01:02]
kakobrekla im sure they can avoid it with binoculars [01:03]
mircea_popescu maybe theres no way to get on deck [01:05]
mircea_popescu like those office buildings you can't open the windows of [01:05]
Vexual it looks super fast, is it nuclear powered? [01:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 141 @ 0.00201001 = 0.2834 BTC [-] [01:08]
Vexual whats the IBS on the schematic? [01:09]
Vexual Id guess Integrated power systems element is the reactor [01:10]
gecko_x2 i know you're ignoring me on purpouse mp :p [01:11]
gecko_x2 guess i need to find bettar music.. [01:11]
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Vexual with a sensor data line to mission readiness module [01:12]
Vexual got nuke power? check [01:12]
gecko_x2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAXtDPKkOlA [01:12]
ozbot In Flames - Cloud Connected [High Quality] - YouTube [01:12]
Vexual mission readiness confirmed [01:12]
Vexual see if you can find a photo on the internet of a nuclear warship throwing a top speed rooster tail. you can't [01:14]
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Vexual top speed is more secret than their computer systems [01:14]
pankkake gecko_x2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja_hDxivKrI [01:14]
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gecko_x2 clicked.. [01:16]
gecko_x2 increasing vol and leaning back.. [01:16]
gecko_x2 liking [01:16]
kakobrekla i dont understand what they are singing [01:17]
pankkake pretty much the only melodic death metal that doesn't make me vomit [01:17]
gecko_x2 there is calm in your indeciscion [01:17]
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pankkake though I prefer their earlier work[/hipster] [01:18]
gecko_x2 youtube sidebar gave me lots of memories from this excellent hypocrisy song [01:19]
gecko_x2 so thx [01:19]
pankkake I mostly do understand the lyrics [01:19]
kakobrekla yeah you need to put some effort to it [01:19]
gecko_x2 look [01:20]
pankkake and then there's the passive learning of listening to it over the years [01:20]
gecko_x2 basically all heavy metal is synonymous to bitcoin [01:20]
gecko_x2 it's all the same story [01:20]
pankkake you mean precious metal [01:20]
kakobrekla lol [01:20]
gecko_x2 it's what we all are preparing for [01:20]
gecko_x2 also that yes [01:20]
gecko_x2 heavy metal = heavy metal [01:21]
kakobrekla i dont see the heavy metal resembelence [01:21]
gecko_x2 it's there man [01:21]
pankkake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF69enruobk glorious album, and artwork, and name [01:21]
ozbot Hypocrisy - Penetralia - YouTube [01:21]
gecko_x2 it's all the same story [01:21]
gecko_x2 u should invite my bud piett over from efnet [01:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.625 BTC [+] [01:21]
gecko_x2 he could link you to some real shit [01:21]
gecko_x2 like this [01:22]
gecko_x2 excellent links, i thankyou [01:22]
dub bitcoin is only 80% smelly neckbeards now haven't you heard [01:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63 = 1.26 BTC [+] [01:22]
pankkake I'm only smelly 80% of the time [01:23]
kakobrekla 80% smelly and 20% neckbeard? [01:23]
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pankkake my beard looks naturally good thankfully [01:24]
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gecko_x2 pankkake try this little nice tune.. [01:24]
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pankkake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtnG6EHh1N4 this is HEAVY metal [01:25]
gecko_x2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOOebk_dKFo [01:25]
ozbot IMMORTAL (Official) - "ALL SHALL FALL" music video HD - YouTube [01:25]
gecko_x2 mine first [01:25]
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* kakobrekla puts some cotton in his ears, not to stop the music, but the bleed :p [01:25]
gecko_x2 :p :p [01:26]
gecko_x2 i need moar alcohol [01:26]
pankkake well I do go to concerts with earplugs :p [01:26]
kakobrekla yes if by moar you mean less. [01:26]
gecko_x2 haha ofcourse [01:26]
Scrat gecko_x2: if you're going to link immortal... why link that one [01:26]
gecko_x2 let me drink some less alcohol [01:27]
pankkake you don't listen to sunn o))) with your ears anyway [01:27]
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Scrat is abbath's crab walk? [01:27]
Scrat is it* [01:27]
soypirate pankkake: so true [01:27]
gecko_x2 haven't clicked pankkake's link yet [01:27]
pankkake I love Immortal, they just don't take themselves seriously [01:28]
pankkake omg 2:28 [01:28]
gecko_x2 can't click yet [01:28]
pankkake I mean 2:28 of immortal [01:28]
Scrat pankkake: more like 0:45 [01:29]
Scrat dat fucking crab walk [01:29]
gecko_x2 sexy [01:29]
gecko_x2 ok now clicking pankake [01:30]
gecko_x2 what are these the elves? :p [01:30]
pankkake bathrobes [01:30]
pankkake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEctVHxs34U [01:31]
ozbot Abbath on Church Burnings - YouTube [01:31]
gecko_x2 zomg they been in a turkish sauna ? :p [01:31]
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gecko_x2 nah.. this all good but i'm going retro [01:32]
gecko_x2 lub all metal but getting old [01:33]
gecko_x2 gonna serve u a surprise [01:33]
gecko_x2 i mean i'm getting old [01:33]
gecko_x2 not the music.. [01:33]
pankkake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QbAXXXOJF8 that's when you know it's then end [01:34]
gecko_x2 remember this my friends? [01:34]
gecko_x2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Rd4_GDzNBg [01:34]
ozbot Gorky Park - Moscow Calling (Opening Eurovision 2009) - YouTube [01:34]
gecko_x2 LOL [01:34]
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gecko_x2 ehh fuck it [01:34]
gecko_x2 forhet it [01:34]
gecko_x2 forget [01:35]
gecko_x2 bad link [01:35]
soypirate hehe [01:35]
gecko_x2 this is going to shit [01:35]
gecko_x2 :D [01:35]
gecko_x2 ok [01:36]
gecko_x2 let's do something bettar [01:36]
soypirate this guy is the shit: [01:36]
soypirate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPZX7EZIFD0 [01:36]
ozbot Guildo Horn - Guildo hat euch lieb [Eurovision 1998 - Germany] - YouTube [01:36]
gecko_x2 like this mother fucking masterpiece [01:36]
gecko_x2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRdFIUIC_sI [01:36]
ozbot Stratovarius - Visions - Full Album - [1997] - YouTube [01:36]
soypirate gecko_x2: nice one [01:37]
gecko_x2 :D [01:37]
dub ugg bring back vexual [01:38]
Vexual :) [01:38]
pankkake this chan allows only one drunk at a time [01:38]
dub I'd rather hear outback ozzy serial killer anthems than teen masturbation soundtracks [01:39]
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gecko_x2 well strato has worked for me in my past weeks of drunorness [01:41]
gecko_x2 dunno why [01:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 260 @ 0.0011499 = 0.299 BTC [+] [01:41]
pankkake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOBrGj1zw8U I listened to this as a teenager, ew [01:41]
ozbot Thy Majestie - The King And The Warrior - YouTube [01:41]
gecko_x2 zomg italian metal [01:41]
pankkake can't be gayer [01:41]
gecko_x2 in memory of sam? [01:41]
nubbins` On the whole, the global Bitcoin space is a self-policing community that uproots and exposes scams and unethical Bitcoin service operators with ruthless efficiency. [01:41]
pankkake hehe [01:42]
nubbins` ahahaha [01:42]
nubbins` my sides [01:42]
nubbins` where's that from? [01:42]
jurov the link above that [01:42]
pankkake I'm calling for a labcoin witch hunt, but the actual victims still don't want it [01:42]
jurov mircea_popescu: withdrawals please [01:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 9 @ 0.07398 = 0.6658 BTC [-] [01:43]
gecko_x2 mmm ruthless [01:43]
gecko_x2 i liek dat word [01:43]
gecko_x2 smoke bbl [01:44]
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nubbins` pankkake: you're just trying to sabotage the sweet divs [01:45]
nubbins` like 52 satoshi per share last time i think? [01:45]
pankkake something like it, I can't see them in my cryptostocks account because they are too low [01:46]
nubbins` heh [01:46]
nubbins` well, ya know. people don't wanna admit they got scammed. they'd much rather just pretend it's not happening [01:47]
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pankkake I understand that, I have a hard time simply admitting I made a bad decision [01:48]
mircea_popescu pankkake https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/10/can_i_be_truste.html [01:48]
pankkake but perhaps that mean I'm/they're not cut for the job [01:48]
mircea_popescu so much fun to be had on the internets. [01:48]
pankkake and no one's mentionning you [01:48]
mircea_popescu depends what you mean by mentioning me. [01:50]
gecko_x2 virtuals is my bud [01:53]
gecko_x2 remember that [01:53]
gecko_x2 and he's on the case of labcoin [01:53]
gecko_x2 he's the only irl bud i can talk about this shit to [01:54]
gecko_x2 totally aware [01:54]
gecko_x2 just wanted to say.. [01:55]
nubbins` i need to figure out how to make wallpaper paste that's easily removable from walls [01:55]
mircea_popescu you can't unscrew a lightbulb. [01:57]
nubbins` well, that's more for lack of trying [01:59]
nubbins` we're planning to do a seripop-style art installation at an event next month, and i'd love to paper the walls of the bar, but i don't think the bar will appreciate having things permanently affixed to its walls [02:00]
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AndrewJackson Nubbins, paint your walls with watered down paste first, then the paper will come off easy [02:08]
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nubbins` yeah, i'm reading something now that says weak cornstarch paste will allow easy removal if i paint the walls rather than the paper [02:13]
nubbins` guess i should experiment some [02:13]
Vexual http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=04f_1366644470 [02:15]
ozbot LiveLeak.com - Stupid Balkan guy "Tihomir" + hammer drill = FAIL [02:15]
nubbins` http://seripop.com/projects/uncountable-not-comparable/ [02:16]
ozbot Seripop - Yannick Desranleau and Chloe Lum - Uncountable (Not Comparable) [02:16]
nubbins` those guys do some crazy shit with paper [02:16]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 405 @ 0.0011499 = 0.4657 BTC [+] [02:23]
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Vexual nubbins why not fix the artwork to removable board? [02:35]
dub fucking google [02:35]
dub my phone has turned into rage bait overnight [02:36]
Vexual get ubuntu [02:38]
dub fuck ubuntu [02:39]
nubbins` vexual, we're talking BIG artwork [02:39]
Vexual 3mm mdf is cheap [02:39]
nubbins` although that would work if the bar won't let us paste the walls [02:39]
nubbins` corrugated plastic might be an option too [02:40]
Vexual much lighter too, you could fix it with 3m double sided tape [02:40]
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nubbins` hmmmm..... [02:41]
nubbins` gears turning, etc [02:41]
gecko_x2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCAgbkoEPMQ [02:41]
ozbot W.A.S.P. - The Headless Children (FULL ALBUM) - YouTube [02:41]
nubbins` we wanna put up large versions of these guys puking rainbows all over the bar: http://pinkeyeprints.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/hzvrd-imgur.jpg [02:41]
dub http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/websearch/NFxVP5a_dG8 [02:46]
ozbot Google Groups [02:46]
Vexual if you want to get real tricky, you could cut shapes into the corflute so that the slightly noticeable grain of the stuff follows the rainbows [02:46]
mircea_popescu get those superflat printable lcd things [02:47]
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nubbins` we were thinking of printing large rectangles of paper with horizontal rainbow stripes, and overlapping them on various angles to make the rainbows swerve in different directions [02:48]
nubbins` wouldn't really work without pasting directly to the walls though [02:48]
nubbins` although, i suppose we could cut the corflute (!) into curved shapes & just join them together [02:48]
Vexual stick each rectangle to the corflute and arrange them to the wall as separate rectangles [02:49]
nubbins` hmm [02:50]
nubbins` if we cut the corflute rectangles on a diagonal, we'd have triangles which could be flipped around to create nice curves [02:51]
nubbins` http://seripop.com/projects/hording-skin/ [02:51]
ozbot Seripop - Yannick Desranleau and Chloe Lum - Hoarding Skin [02:51]
mircea_popescu so good news : asciilifeform has fixed phuctor. it works about a degree of magnitude faster now. basicvally no keys are waiting anymore. [02:51]
nubbins` ^ that's ALL PAPER [02:51]
Vexual cardboard would work too [02:58]
nubbins` at that point, could just tape the paper to the walls, i guess [02:59]
Vexual but white corflute could be illuminated from behind [02:59]
nubbins` WHOA [02:59]
nubbins` yes it could [02:59]
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Vexual $5 fairy lights [03:00]
nubbins` in fact, our washout booth has a backlit corflute wall [03:00]
nubbins` even the dimmest light shines through [03:00]
nubbins` oh my god, this is going to be amazing [03:00]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [03:00]
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nubbins` i'm sure there's a bot in an apple chan somewhere that screams MAGICAL DEVICE! every time someone says "magical" [03:01]
Vexual i want photos [03:01]
nubbins` and photos you shall get [03:01]
nubbins` aiming for late november [03:02]
nubbins` we actually have some stands left over from a multi-layered glass project that could be useful for holding corflute sheets [03:04]
nubbins` hmmmmmm [03:04]
nubbins` this gives me a lot to think about [03:04]
mircea_popescu amazing #bitcoin-assets [03:04]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [03:04]
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Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbhJ9c-pFoI [03:05]
ozbot MAGIC FOUNTAIN (Official Video) - Art vs Science - YouTube [03:05]
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nubbins` lel [03:09]
nubbins` that video just spurred an impromptu dance party [03:09]
mircea_popescu mod6 how's urbit these days btw ? you been keeping any track ? [03:09]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.638415 = 3.8305 BTC [+] {5} [03:27]
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BingoBoingo Oh, Schneier approved my comment. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/10/can_i_be_truste.html#c2003318 [03:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 21 @ 0.07399 = 1.5538 BTC [+] [03:32]
gecko_x2 nice [03:32]
mircea_popescu lol you're special. people were complaining he ate their comments earlier. [03:32]
gecko_x2 i trust u all know schneier's history and who he is [03:32]
gecko_x2 mp? [03:32]
gecko_x2 anyways [03:33]
mircea_popescu ianae [03:33]
gecko_x2 nice. [03:33]
mircea_popescu but more or less. [03:33]
gecko_x2 schneier is the original crypto guy in our generation [03:33]
gecko_x2 there is nobody higher really [03:33]
gecko_x2 atleast publically [03:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 0.07399 = 0.4439 BTC [+] [03:34]
gecko_x2 his blog is the original public crypto blog [03:34]
gecko_x2 the primary enemy of the NSA and the illuminati [03:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 16 @ 0.073999 = 1.184 BTC [+] [03:35]
gecko_x2 so.. nice. [03:35]
mircea_popescu a yeah. kinda went downhill since 2004 tho [03:35]
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gecko_x2 schneier was involved in smuggling the original PGP source code outside of us borders [03:36]
gecko_x2 they did it by printing it out on A4's and physically mailing it [03:36]
gecko_x2 back then the pentagon defined him as enemy of the state [03:36]
gecko_x2 he later fought off those charges in US courts [03:37]
gecko_x2 during the 80's [03:37]
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gecko_x2 would never be possible today [03:37]
mircea_popescu aren't you confusing him with zimmermann ? [03:37]
gecko_x2 umm yes [03:37]
gecko_x2 but this isn't clear [03:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 27 @ 0.075 = 2.025 BTC [+] [03:38]
gecko_x2 schneier was zimm's bud [03:38]
gecko_x2 so we dunno [03:38]
gecko_x2 afaik [03:38]
BingoBoingo Schneier is just the Dude who submits algorithms to NIST competitions and never makes it past second place. [03:38]
gecko_x2 i trust schneier more than zimm [03:38]
gecko_x2 look [03:40]
gecko_x2 the surname zimmerman is jewish [03:40]
gecko_x2 sch is nit jew [03:41]
gecko_x2 not* [03:41]
gecko_x2 no jew surname begins with sch [03:41]
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gecko_x2 aka zion, aka illuminati [03:41]
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mircea_popescu gecko_gs2 for the record, schneier was like 17 in 1980. [03:43]
* gecko_x2 records this in his records. [03:43]
gecko_x2 noted [03:44]
gecko_x2 still [03:44]
gecko_x2 zimmerman, spielberg, lucas [03:44]
gecko_x2 all zionists [03:45]
gecko_x2 bunot sch [03:45]
gecko_x2 but not* [03:45]
gecko_x2 afak [03:45]
gecko_x2 afaik [03:45]
gecko_x2 damn i need more alcohol and music :D [03:45]
gecko_x2 schneier is german [03:46]
gecko_x2 arian [03:46]
gecko_x2 now the zionists form the basis of the illuminati [03:48]
gecko_x2 and the banker system known as the city of london [03:49]
gecko_x2 'the city' being the key word [03:49]
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gecko_x2 and yes, the huge dildo shaped building in london really does represent a penis [03:50]
gecko_x2 that's how these guys work [03:50]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6455 BTC [+] [03:53]
gecko_x2 their latest trick is called 'the shard' [03:53]
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gecko_x2 it represents themselves fucking the ppl in the world in the anus with a broken glass bottle [03:53]
gecko_x2 you can look it up. [03:54]
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gecko_x2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shard [03:55]
KRS1 yeah, and the phone company killed kennedy. [03:56]
gecko_x2 what [03:56]
gecko_x2 kennedy wanted to introduce debt free money [03:56]
gecko_x2 and so he was taken out [03:56]
gecko_x2 that's all there is to it [03:57]
gecko_x2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIh3nO6-V_A [03:57]
ozbot Metallica - Whiskey in the jar - YouTube [03:57]
KRS1 I think it was Northeastern Bell. [03:58]
gecko_x2 Bell = illuminati [03:58]
gecko_x2 the shape of a church bell represents the shape of their power structure [03:58]
gecko_x2 the narrow top, the wide middle part and then the scum of the earth [03:59]
KRS1 I think it was corporate or maybe one of their subsidiaries. Maybe billing. [04:00]
gecko_x2 every church you visit on the earth has it's doors shaped in a certain way [04:00]
gecko_x2 that shape represents the vagina [04:00]
KRS1 Just had to make a new tinfoil hat. My old one fell apart. [04:00]
KRS1 this one fits much better. [04:00]
dub I've lost count if this guy is trolling or an acutal fruitcake [04:00]
gecko_x2 you all know how every church door is shaped with the pointy top [04:01]
gecko_x2 represents the vagina and the clit [04:01]
KRS1 he's got a lot of energy, he was talking all this jazz when i left the office at 4:30 [04:01]
gecko_x2 that's why men used to leave all their weapons outside [04:01]
KRS1 just don't mention Finland. [04:01]
gecko_x2 : [04:02]
gecko_x2 i assure you it's all true. [04:02]
KRS1 Of course it is. [04:02]
KRS1 I'm with ya bro. [04:02]
gecko_x2 :P [04:02]
gecko_x2 i'm not boosting my ego [04:03]
gecko_x2 just stating the obvious [04:03]
gecko_x2 you go to any capital on this planet [04:03]
gecko_x2 look up the biggest building there is [04:03]
gecko_x2 and it's one of 7 banks [04:03]
gecko_x2 try it and u see [04:03]
KRS1 hmm. [04:04]
gecko_x2 any capital [04:04]
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gecko_x2 biggest building [04:04]
dub fails in my country [04:04]
gecko_x2 look at the logo [04:04]
gecko_x2 which is? [04:04]
dub its not finland [04:05]
gecko_x2 ofcourse, you have to know the etymology of the word 'bank' [04:05]
dub of course [04:06]
gecko_x2 do you know where that comes from? [04:06]
dub let me guess, if its made of concrete and steel its secretly a bank [04:06]
gecko_x2 before humanity knew of that word, all 'banks' were called credit anzthalt' [04:06]
mircea_popescu dub same root as bankruptcy, italian (lombard) middle ages. [04:06]
gecko_x2 but that word was born in london england [04:07]
asciilifeform banca, money changer's bench. thought everybody knew that one. [04:07]
gecko_x2 where they figured out that it's useful to build your gold deposit house on top of a hill [04:07]
gecko_x2 or 'bank' in brittish english [04:07]
mircea_popescu gecko_gs2 nah. [04:07]
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gecko_x2 because it was easier to fend off the ppl rushing to the place once they realized that they had issued much more receits for the gold than there actually was gold [04:08]
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gecko_x2 building the vault on a 'bank' or a hill was a good idea because it slowed the ppl down, and made it easier to push them down with sharp sticks [04:09]
gecko_x2 when there was a 'bank run' [04:09]
mircea_popescu no dood. banca yielded banque in french, and either or both of these yielded bank in english [04:09]
mircea_popescu sometime around 1500 or so [04:09]
gecko_x2 no. [04:09]
gecko_x2 no no no [04:09]
dub finland says no [04:09]
gecko_x2 that's all 'official' [04:09]
mircea_popescu lol [04:09]
gecko_x2 all 'official' stuff u learn in school is a lie [04:10]
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gecko_x2 the word bank comes from the bank of england [04:10]
gecko_x2 which was the first gold vault to be built upon a hill [04:10]
gecko_x2 to make it easier to fend off the people [04:10]
gecko_x2 with sharp spears [04:11]
gecko_x2 know your histiry dudes [04:11]
gecko_x2 your REAL history [04:11]
dub he right [04:11]
KRS1 idk we just some dumb bitcoin monkeys what do we know [04:12]
mircea_popescu so what's the alternative etymology fior bankruptcy then ? [04:12]
mircea_popescu hill got ruptured ? [04:12]
gecko_x2 pretty much yeah [04:12]
gecko_x2 there is a even more interesting etymology that ties into this [04:13]
mircea_popescu gecko_gs2 you ever been in the old bank of england building ? [04:13]
gecko_x2 if you want to know, or should i stfu? [04:13]
gecko_x2 mp nope. [04:13]
mircea_popescu well... you'd have known its not actually on a hill. [04:13]
gecko_x2 the real history of the tie [04:13]
dub if you fold up the bank does it look like twin towers? [04:13]
dub I bet it does [04:13]
gecko_x2 mp afaik it actually was [04:14]
mircea_popescu how the fuck it actually was, it's close enough to the thames. [04:14]
gecko_x2 but i'm no expert.. i just like etymology [04:14]
gecko_x2 and i really like to know the TRUE reason for things [04:14]
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gecko_x2 which is not the same as you are thought through these school books [04:15]
gecko_x2 what was that main publisher again [04:15]
mircea_popescu but you know, some proposed reason doersn't become true just because it contradicts the common answer. [04:16]
dub dood it becomes true when alx jones screams it [04:16]
gecko_x2 dun remember, anyways check the back's of every school book published in the west [04:17]
mircea_popescu anyway. the old lady of threadneedle street. [04:17]
gecko_x2 and it will lead you back to the illuminati [04:17]
mircea_popescu aka the company and governor of the bank of england [04:17]
gecko_x2 this is not aj data [04:17]
gecko_x2 not at all [04:17]
gecko_x2 but aj is right in his own way [04:18]
gecko_x2 ah [04:18]
gecko_x2 was it gummerus [04:18]
gecko_x2 and wellin & göös or something [04:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61000001 BTC [-] [04:18]
gecko_x2 every school book in the north [04:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5073 @ 0.00085765 = 4.3509 BTC [-] [04:18]
dub for the love of god, shut the fuck up [04:19]
gecko_x2 lol [04:19]
gecko_x2 k [04:19]
dub and preferably kill yourself immediately [04:19]
gecko_x2 :( [04:19]
Vexual do the spears msut be spharp? [04:19]
gecko_x2 i didn't like that dub [04:20]
gecko_x2 i go away now [04:20]
dub yet you live on.. [04:20]
Vexual and thats why we have skyscrapers [04:20]
gecko_x2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIWgHEbQsGw [04:22]
ozbot Ratt- Dance - YouTube [04:22]
mircea_popescu anyway, the notion of putting a bank uphill is silly... all the customers'd get tired hauling all the gold [04:23]
mircea_popescu you want it low down [04:23]
Vexual security by gravity [04:24]
KRS1 Anyone here know anything about trading gold [04:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 727 @ 0.00085934 = 0.6247 BTC [+] [04:29]
gecko_x2 uhh mp [04:30]
gecko_x2 the origins of fractional reserves stems from the gold receits in amsterdam [04:30]
gecko_x2 where the ppl stored their gold in a safe vault for a receit [04:31]
gecko_x2 later they noticed that periodically there was always a bank run [04:31]
gecko_x2 when the ppl noticed that there were way more receits than there could ever be gold [04:32]
gecko_x2 and so they built the bank vault on a hill to slow the ppl down once they came running [04:32]
nubbins` my sides [04:32]
Vexual theres no hills in amsterdam [04:33]
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gecko_x2 no [04:33]
gecko_x2 but in london there is [04:33]
mod6 when i think of finland: http://i.qkme.me/3u7ql0.jpg [04:33]
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asciilifeform mod6: whatever happened to that fellow? [04:34]
gecko_x2 nice. [04:34]
mod6 probably eaten by a grue. [04:34]
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mod6 or got his dick stuck in an iceberg. [04:34]
gecko_x2 "The Bank's headquarters have been in London's main financial district, the City of London, on Threadneedle Street, since 1734. It is sometimes known by the metonym The Old Lady of Threadneedle Street or The Old Lady, a name taken from the legend of Sarah Whitehead, whose ghost is said to haunt the Bank's garden.[12] The busy road junction outside is known as Bank junction." [04:34]
mircea_popescu mod6 honestly, all finn chicks i ever met were pretty hot and kinda slutty [04:35]
dub http://p.bfram.es/finland-be-afraid-be-very-afraid.jpg [04:35]
mircea_popescu nice skin too [04:35]
gecko_x2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_England [04:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform im pretty sure it was a sa op and got neatly closed. [04:35]
dub isnt there like 9 chicks to every dude [04:35]
mircea_popescu dub possibly. perkele. [04:35]
gecko_x2 "When the idea and reality of the National Debt came about during the 18th century this was also managed by the Bank. By the charter renewal in 1781 it was also the bankers' bank – keeping enough gold to pay its notes on demand until 26 February 1797 when war had so diminished gold reserves that the government prohibited the Bank from paying out in gold. This prohibition lasted until [04:35]
gecko_x2 1821." [04:35]
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mod6 huh, well that seems like a saving grace. [04:36]
mircea_popescu gecko_gs2 no, actually, it weas much earlier. the 1711 south sea bubble was a mostly failed attempt to finance the english natl debt with paper. [04:36]
* BingoBoingo thinks about going to a local Bitcoin Meetup to meet some wannabe scammers in person. [04:36]
mircea_popescu there had been a natl debt since there was a nation. everywhere. [04:37]
gecko_x2 gold was before debt [04:37]
gecko_x2 gold carries no debt [04:37]
gecko_x2 only storing gold carries debt [04:38]
gecko_x2 and storing it.. they tried with holes foro ages [04:38]
gecko_x2 for* [04:38]
gecko_x2 until they realized a bank was much better than a hole [04:38]
gecko_x2 because when the ppl come storming, you dont want to sit in a hole [04:39]
gecko_x2 you want to be uphill [04:39]
nubbins` sitting in a bank [04:39]
nubbins` exchanging bitcoins in the lobby [04:39]
gecko_x2 right [04:39]
Vexual id rather be in a hole [04:40]
mircea_popescu i never heard of a foxhill... [04:40]
nubbins` does the hole have pens you can use? [04:40]
gecko_x2 i don't know if any of you know that 'the city' really means [04:40]
gecko_x2 are you aware that today the city has their own police force, their own army, their own justice system and their own judges? [04:41]
gecko_x2 if you take a trip to london tomorrow [04:41]
mircea_popescu and their own obgyns ? [04:41]
gecko_x2 and walk into 'the city' [04:41]
nubbins` hahaha [04:41]
gecko_x2 and do something to get arrested [04:41]
gecko_x2 the police that arrest you will carry guns [04:42]
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gecko_x2 which the rest of the english police do not [04:42]
nubbins` police not carrying guns is sort of the exception [04:42]
gecko_x2 because they are a separate police force from a separate legal juridistiction [04:42]
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gecko_x2 you need to be aware of this shit my friends [04:43]
mircea_popescu http://nypost.com/2013/10/06/city-park-police-want-to-carry-guns/‎ [04:43]
gecko_x2 the city has their own army too [04:44]
gecko_x2 headquarters are called MI5 [04:44]
gecko_x2 the rest of england's secret service is called MI6 [04:45]
gecko_x2 2 different entities [04:45]
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nubbins` "We’re police officers without the salary, the title and the gun." [04:45]
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gecko_x2 in bond movies they are always referring to MI6 [04:46]
gecko_x2 never ever referring to MI5 [04:46]
gecko_x2 that's also by design [04:46]
gecko_x2 you need to learn your fucking history [04:47]
dub have you got kids? [04:47]
gecko_x2 it's 4:47 am here [04:47]
gecko_x2 what do you think? [04:48]
dub I guess that means no, how much bitcion would it take to have you sterilised? [04:48]
KRS1 HAHA [04:48]
gecko_x2 oh.. nice one [04:48]
dub seriously, the genome is broken enough without you polluting it further [04:48]
gecko_x2 k [04:49]
gecko_x2 i go afk now then [04:49]
dub have you considered homosexuality? [04:49]
gecko_x2 do we have a change agent here? [04:49]
gecko_x2 who cares.. cyas [04:49]
Vexual he makes a good point tho [04:51]
KRS1 just shh vexual dont get him started again [04:52]
KRS1 the IQ of this channel went down about 30 [04:53]
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Vexual id think he will have confused himself into unconciousness soon [04:56]
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gecko_x2 "bank (n.1) [04:59]
gecko_x2 "financial institution," late 15c., from either Old Italian banca or Middle French banque (itself from the Italian word), both meaning "table" (the notion is of the moneylender's exchange table), from a Germanic source (cf. Old High German bank "bench"); see bank (n.2)." [04:59]
gecko_x2 "Bank holiday is from 1871, though the tradition is as old as the Bank of England. To cry all the way to the bank was coined 1956 by flamboyant pianist Liberace, after a Madison Square Garden concert that was packed with patrons but panned by critics." [04:59]
gecko_x2 "bank (n.2) [04:59]
gecko_x2 "earthen incline, edge of a river," c.1200, probably in Old English but not attested in surviving documents, from a Scandinavian source such as Old Norse banki, Old Danish banke "sandbank," from Proto-Germanic *bangkon "slope," cognate with *bankiz "shelf" (see bench (n.))." [04:59]
gecko_x2 "bank (v.) [04:59]
gecko_x2 "to act as a banker," 1727, from bank (n.1). As "to deposit in a bank" from 1833. Figurative sense of "to rely on" (i.e. "to put money on") is from 1884, U.S. colloquial. Meaning "to ascend," as of an incline, is from 1892. In aeronautics, from 1911. Related: Banked; banking." [04:59]
dub he's gone full retard [05:00]
gecko_x2 "Meaning "to ascend," as of an incline" [05:01]
gecko_x2 there u go buddy [05:01]
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gecko_x2 coming to you buddy [05:01]
gecko_x2 bench (n.) [05:02]
gecko_x2 Old English benc "long seat," from Proto-Germanic *bankiz "bank of earth," perhaps here "man-made earthwork," later "bench, table" (cf. Old Frisian bank "bench," Old Norse bekkr, Danish bænk, Middle Dutch banc, Old High German banch), from PIE root *bheg- "to break." Used for "office of a judge" since late 13c. Sporting sense "reserve of players" (in baseball, North American football, [05:02]
gecko_x2 etc.) is by 1909, from literal sense of place where players sit when not in action (by 1889). [05:02]
gecko_x2 bench (v.) [05:03]
gecko_x2 "to take out of the game," 1902, from bench (n.) in the sporting sense. Related: Benched; benching. Old English also had a verb form, but it meant "to make benches." [05:03]
gecko_x2 bank = man made hill [05:03]
gecko_x2 there u go buddy [05:03]
gecko_x2 now i goto bed :p [05:03]
gecko_x2 "bed (v.) [05:04]
gecko_x2 Old English beddian "to provide with a bed or lodgings," from bed (n.). From c.1300 as "to go to bed," also "to copulate with, to go to bed with;" 1440 as "to lay out (land) in plots or beds." Related: Bedded; bedding." [05:04]
gecko_x2 bed (n.) [05:04]
gecko_x2 Old English bedd "bed, couch, resting place, garden plot," from Proto-Germanic *badjam "sleeping place dug in the ground" (cf. Old Frisian, Old Saxon bed, Middle Dutch bedde, Old Norse beðr, Old High German betti, German Bett, Gothic badi "bed"), from PIE root *bhedh- "to dig, pierce" (cf. Hittite beda- "to pierce, prick," Greek bothyros "pit," Latin fossa "ditch," Lithuanian bedre [05:04]
gecko_x2 "to dig," Breton bez "grave"). Both "sleeping" and "gardening" senses are in Old English. Meaning "bottom of a lake, sea, watercourse" is from 1580s. [05:04]
KRS1 good god are you trying to fill up the logs or something [05:04]
KRS1 u might be more annoying than that other gecko from the insurance commercials. [05:04]
gecko_x2 that lizard is funny [05:05]
gecko_x2 i'm not [05:05]
KRS1 nope [05:05]
KRS1 not entertaining in the least bit. [05:05]
gecko_x2 coming to you buddy [05:05]
gecko_x2 i been watching strike back [05:05]
gecko_x2 the best tv action serie evar. [05:05]
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nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/cbc-stories-on-leaked-report-irresponsible-minister-1.2159429 [05:11]
ozbot CBC stories on leaked report 'irresponsible': minister - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News [05:11]
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adis99 hey can we remove password on the new bet? [05:16]
adis99 http://bitbet.us/bet/570/bitcoin-will-drop-back-below-150-before-end/ [05:16]
ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin will drop back below $150 before end of 2013 [05:16]
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BingoBoingo adis99: It seems essentially by publishing the password. [05:18]
adis99 in comments? [05:18]
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nubbins` man, i just watched the video from that cbc article and it's making my brain hurt [05:22]
BingoBoingo adis99: Do you have a better place to publish it? [05:23]
adis99 well i didnt mean to make it private ;) [05:24]
adis99 i dont mind if its unlocked or password published [05:24]
BingoBoingo adis99: I'm kind of wondering why they allowed such a puny bet to be protected from market forces. [05:26]
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adis99 sry lost internet [05:52]
adis99 so you guys think Bitcoin price will go below 150 USD or not? [05:53]
gecko_x2 absolutely [05:55]
gecko_x2 after it goes to $2000 first [05:55]
gecko_x2 maybe even NINE THOUSAND [05:55]
gecko_x2 look mr. adis99 [05:56]
gecko_x2 the mere fact that you ask this question practically guarantees the outcome [05:57]
gecko_x2 by the laws of the universe [05:57]
gecko_x2 but you dont know when [05:57]
gecko_x2 that's the real question [05:57]
gecko_x2 WHEN will it go to 150 [05:57]
adis99 well let me specify, by the end of this year? [05:57]
gecko_x2 and when it gores there, what will 150 mean? [05:58]
gecko_x2 oh [05:58]
gecko_x2 well. no. [05:58]
gecko_x2 or maybe yes [05:58]
adis99 how can you be sure? [05:58]
gecko_x2 but then again, if that happens [05:58]
adis99 ohh ok [05:58]
gecko_x2 what will 150 be worth? [05:58]
gecko_x2 what will it mean? [05:58]
adis99 it that happens i win bet [05:58]
adis99 :P [05:58]
gecko_x2 will it equal 300 od today? [05:58]
gecko_x2 or more? [05:58]
gecko_x2 or less? [05:59]
gecko_x2 you see [05:59]
gecko_x2 in this life, everything you think will happen will happen [05:59]
gecko_x2 because you are the life itself [05:59]
gecko_x2 you see? [05:59]
gecko_x2 now, i go for a smoke [05:59]
adis99 i see, sounds like you a a philosopher ;) [06:00]
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gecko_x2 no i just hate the illuminist black magicians [06:00]
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KRS1 oh god again [06:08]
KRS1 dude go to #illuminati or something [06:08]
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BingoBoingo TheSeven: How is Amazing Labcoin Amazing along on Cryptostocks? [06:16]
Kleeck_ Amazing, really. [06:20]
BingoBoingo Kleeck_: You try the Phuctor yet? [06:21]
Kleeck_ No sir. [06:22]
Kleeck_ How do I phuct the phuctor? [06:22]
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BingoBoingo Kleeck_: First or Fist you have a GPG public key you paste into http://nosuchlabs.com then you bookmark it and return to check it periodically, and so the Phuctor works. [06:32]
Kleeck_ Why do I care about Phuctor? [06:33]
Kleeck_ aside from the awesome name? [06:33]
BingoBoingo Kleeck_: Because it offers a service that was wanted.I tells you if public keys were obviously weak. It is amazingly more valuable to test your correspondents keys than your own since encryption depends on theirs anyway. [06:36]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [06:36]
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BingoBoingo Luke-Jr: Any thoughts on Phuctor> [06:51]
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nubbins` http://imgur.com/aTkQXFa [07:50]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [07:50]
nubbins` rough draft [07:50]
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nubbins` idea is to make it look sort of similar to an old-style bearer bond [07:53]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Maybe keep the GPG signed contracts in their native file format? [07:53]
nubbins` BingoBoingo: this is more for show than anything [07:53]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Well, then. [07:54]
nubbins` this would be silkscreened onto nice 100% cotton paper [07:54]
nubbins` skeuomorphism at its finest :P [07:55]
BingoBoingo Beautiful nubbins` but generally cotton paper of archival quality is paired with ink to last rather than color to look good [07:57]
nubbins` i know, this is what i do for a living ;) [07:57]
BingoBoingo Silkscreening paper kind of sucks generally too. [07:57]
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nubbins` you can silkscreen on any sort of paper. we use acid-free archival rag [07:58]
Vexual cute cert [07:58]
nubbins` speedball products, these are not :) [07:58]
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Vexual are those hops leaves at the top? [07:59]
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nubbins` similar, but no [08:01]
nubbins` http://imgur.com/G4P4p3H [08:03]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [08:03]
nubbins` "S.MG 2013" added to bottom [08:03]
nubbins` i wouldn't mind adding some of those spirograph-style curvy lines [08:03]
Vexual hops symbolise truth [08:04]
Vexual to me that is, im not offering some alternate history of the world [08:05]
nubbins` fun fact, hops and cannabis are members of the same family [08:07]
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Vexual i am aware of that fun fact [08:07]
Vexual only two known members of cannabe or whathaveyou [08:08]
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Vexual i wonder if it was an ice age divergence? one being cold climate and one warm [08:09]
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nubbins` who knows? interesting how they both ended up being enjoyed as intoxicants [08:10]
Vexual yes [08:10]
Vexual and vikinings tended to prefer ale where chinese preferred weed [08:11]
Vexual theres some symbiotic epigenetic unknown stuff happening there [08:13]
nubbins` i watched a documentary a while back that was about apples, tulips and weed [08:13]
nubbins` oh, and potatoes [08:13]
nubbins` on the surface, not much in common [08:14]
Vexual all been influenced by man? [08:14]
nubbins` but all have successfully spread from one small geographic area across the globe, because of their relationship to humans [08:14]
nubbins` exactly [08:14]
nubbins` http://video.pbs.org/program/botany-of-desire/ [08:15]
ozbot Botany of Desire | Watch Online | PBS Video [08:15]
Vexual genetic engineering of plants has done much less than so many generations of selective breeding [08:15]
nubbins` nod [08:16]
Vexual thats not to say new gene slpicing tools arent exciting [08:17]
nubbins` no, but the varieties that were around before genetic engineering could be said to have so far withstood the test of time, which isn't a trivial test [08:19]
nubbins` engineered varieties, who knows? [08:19]
BingoBoingo The only think more boring than watching grass grow just might be watching plants fuck. [08:19]
nubbins` i mean, it was what, a year ago? two? that it was suddenly announced "lel, whoops, BPA gives you cancer" [08:19]
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nubbins` when the "lel, whoops" has the ability to grow beyond a certain scope, it becomes much less of an attractive option, in my mind [08:20]
nubbins` which is why i'm cautious about my optimism towards engineering [08:20]
nubbins` or any number of things. lel, whoops, 30,000kg of hamburger meat recalled because we contaminated it with e. coli! [08:21]
Vexual dna is a tricky machine [08:22]
nubbins` the trickiest [08:22]
Vexual probably the coolest too [08:23]
nubbins` it's pure hubris to assume you can fully understand the results of manipulating such a complex thing [08:23]
nubbins` yeah [08:23]
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Vexual im out of touch with current tools for mapping genes [08:24]
nubbins` it's been so long since i even touched up on the basics, all i have left now are opinions :P [08:25]
Vexual same [08:25]
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Vexual ive got half a memory of some cool shit happening that ive blocked to avoid becoming a mad scientist [08:26]
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Vexual i remember now, theres on open source software package where you can create dna with object oriented visual language [08:28]
Vexual and you can get it printed [08:28]
Vexual i think they check its not airbourne swineflu or whatever [08:29]
nubbins` what! [08:30]
Vexual too many splices gets very expensive if memory serves [08:30]
nubbins` insane [08:30]
Vexual its loaded with a lot of known outcomes i think [08:31]
Vexual yeah genetics is still going places, people forget [08:34]
mircea_popescu nubbins` haha investry [08:34]
nubbins` right?! [08:34]
Vexual ive sent my dna to every lab in the us [08:38]
mircea_popescu of course it could not really be made into a real bearer bond... [08:40]
mircea_popescu hm! [08:40]
nubbins` oh no, of course [08:40]
Vexual apparently im susceptable to alcoholism [08:40]
mircea_popescu unless, of course, it came as a cardano. in which case it COULD be a bearer instrument [08:40]
nubbins` Vexual: now you can't hash the result and use it as a brainwallet to store all your funds. [08:41]
nubbins` home sequencing is the way to go ;p [08:41]
Vexual they're out there now tho [08:41]
mircea_popescu linked by imgur to nubbins` investry http://imgur.com/gallery/oZRUE [08:41]
Vexual at least i have plausable deniability [08:41]
nubbins` ^ [08:41]
Vexual shopped [08:41]
nubbins` also linked, http://imgur.com/gallery/Tv68u [08:42]
nubbins` "overall, i turned my life around" [08:42]
Vexual needs shopping [08:42]
mircea_popescu he's gay now ? [08:43]
nubbins` i feel like there's a pun hiding in the last picture, but i can't quite find it [08:44]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: more of a fancy paper wallet than anything. cardanos as bearer bonds is an interesting idea though [08:46]
nubbins` imagine! [08:47]
Vexual hey mp, if i start a genetics lab that does splices for btc, can i float for free on mpes? [08:47]
nubbins` heh [08:48]
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Vexual it will be an ongoing concern from the outset, repleat with bespectacled korean hotties [08:49]
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nubbins` okay, time to sleep [08:59]
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Vexual ithe ipo money would be to install a manager and lab the fuck out of that shit [08:59]
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BingoBoingo I can't believe I haven't though of abusing Cardanos into bearer bonds yet. [09:01]
Vexual maybe put a petent lawyer on the books [09:02]
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Vexual i just saw a gecko hiding behind my toilet cistern, hows that for imagry? [09:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 201 @ 0.00199999 = 0.402 BTC [+] [09:09]
Vexual a crazy psychiatris wrote a long book, and a normal human is expected to see a penis where a skyscraper is? [09:09]
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BingoBoingo Vexual: Lawyers aren't that worth that much or I would have hired one without a drive through for their office. [09:11]
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Vexual patent lawyers are gold bullion [09:12]
Vexual by volume [09:13]
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BingoBoingo I'm not sure Vexual, I mean we are all pink on the inside... [09:14]
Vexual true enough, and time marches on [09:14]
Vexual but money is money [09:15]
Vexual as the finance experts will tell you [09:15]
Vexual and most is what is true of dollars is true of bitcoin [09:15]
Vexual *for [09:17]
Vexual bitcoin is still in the real of philosiphers [09:19]
Vexual not yet a science [09:19]
Vexual perhaps an art [09:19]
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Vexual you can copy paste something from wikipedia, or imagine it through the eyes of your favourite ancient author [09:21]
Vexual but money talks and bullshit walks, as willful man will tell [09:22]
Vexual for those who are unfamiliar with the internation, ill give you this piece [09:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4633 @ 0.00085234 = 3.9489 BTC [-] {2} [09:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0057 = 0.57 BTC [+] [09:25]
Vexual ive rode a wild bull round round a yard to win a five pound bet [09:26]
Vexual but this is sure the derndest ride that ive encountered yet [09:27]
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Vexual ill give that two wheeled outlaw best, it's shaken all my nerve [09:27]
Vexual To feel it whistle through the air and plunge and buck and swerve [09:28]
Vexual but what ill sit while hide will hold and girths and straps are tight [09:28]
Vexual i'll ride this here two wheeled concern right straight away at sight [09:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00084647 = 2.1585 BTC [-] [09:29]
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Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9mxhayU7GA [09:32]
ozbot Damian "Jr Gong" Marley - Old War Chant (Mr. Marley) - YouTube [09:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.0058 = 0.3828 BTC [+] [09:33]
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BingoBoingo I guess I'll warn anyone invested in Bitcoinsports.eu that this is an active betslip I own http://bitcoinsports.eu/bet/6d7fa?destination=bet-slip [09:36]
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Vexual i just got an unusual sign of regression [09:40]
Vexual but i doubt its related to the bitcoin dollar price [09:40]
Vexual it was a bird i havent seen for a year [09:41]
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Vexual always tied in two [09:42]
Vexual she shat on the floor [09:42]
Vexual then she took off on black and white wings [09:45]
Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SJFaUqwuQY [09:51]
ozbot Afroman - Hungry Hustler - YouTube [09:51]
BingoBoingo Vexual: Bitcoin Dollar price will be irrelevant in not less than a year. Before long the importance will reverse. [09:56]
Vexual thats why i have no idea how to sell [09:56]
Vexual ill wait til i can buy something i want [09:56]
BigBitz I will buy your coin from you :) [09:56]
Vexual you got a large parcel of fruitful land? [09:57]
Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZyVZFJGX5g [09:57]
ozbot Black Sabbath - Paranoid(1970 - Music Video) - YouTube [09:57]
BigBitz I do not. I have cash :) [09:57]
Vexual if its usd, you can save your keyboard strokes [09:57]
BigBitz USD lol [09:58]
BigBitz GBP ftw [09:58]
Vexual yuan perhaps [09:58]
BigBitz Sure I can get you JPY :) [09:58]
Vexual fuck off with your fake money [09:58]
BigBitz ... [09:59]
Vexual no really im not selling [09:59]
BigBitz keep holding. [09:59]
BigBitz keep strong. [09:59]
Vexual im looking for some nice acres, anywhere [09:59]
BigBitz you must have a lot of bitcoin :) [10:00]
Vexual 2 bitcoin will buy a nice acxre in 10 years [10:00]
BigBitz Hopefully :) [10:01]
BigBitz bbl. [10:01]
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Vexual at todays land prices [10:01]
Vexual more billion humans gonna want more food [10:02]
Vexual life gets cheaper, prices get steeper, that s the future boys [10:03]
BingoBoingo I'll be honest. I would part with some coin soon for a Dodge Stealth in decent condition. [10:05]
Vexual :) [10:06]
Vexual sounds nice [10:06]
BingoBoingo Vexual: The thing is I'd have to find the sort of redneck who has both a Dodge Stealth to sell and an awareness of what Bitcoin is. [10:07]
Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnYiQ2FVG8I [10:07]
ozbot The Black Eyed Peas - Weekend ft. Esthero - YouTube [10:07]
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Vexual nice cars are tempting, but they dont make income aunless one is a limo driver [10:08]
Vexual im not rich enough to spend 30k on 4 wheels [10:09]
Vexual i like to keep a car with no ecu in case of emp [10:10]
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Vexual also incase real style is required [10:12]
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Vexual buy an old 70's mustang and make it nice with extra money you stupid american fuck [10:15]
Vexual a two door 70s ford is no less than 50 in australia [10:17]
Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5QYYlfXQFk [10:18]
ozbot Mad Max chase - YouTube [10:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 0.075 = 0.75 BTC [+] [10:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7781 @ 0.00084458 = 6.5717 BTC [-] [10:30]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.002 = 1 BTC [+] [13:20]
jurov http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkroadUNcensored/comments/1p0ogt/time_to_let_the_cat_out_of_the_hat/ [13:21]
ozbot Time to let the cat out of the hat. : SilkroadUNcensored [13:21]
jurov another lulzy piece how proactive is btc community toward scammers, silkroad edition [13:22]
jurov and much more [13:23]
davout jurov: scam hunting is good [13:23]
davout it keeps retards busy [13:24]
mircea_popescu jurov interesting. [13:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00108501 = 0.1085 BTC [-] [13:24]
mircea_popescu What was even more interesting, was that the notice used a high quality logo unable to be found by anyone else despite an hour of searching, until a random user popped in and said “I found it in 2 minutes by using Google.“ No, you did not. I spent 30 minutes staring at Google images, and I found nothing. [13:26]
mircea_popescu funny how the dork mind works. "i can't do shit therefore shit can't be done stop lying to me!!11" [13:27]
davout "His nose is constantly being edited." --> the jews, always the jews [13:27]
mircea_popescu "The mouth which comes from this photo is one shameful mistake." whay ?! [13:27]
mircea_popescu was silkroad built atop a hill ? [13:27]
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mircea_popescu anyway, the "wrong guy" suspicions aren't entirely without merit, even if reddit makes a typically redditarded soup out of it. [13:29]
mircea_popescu "The FBI has not made a single official comment via any of their press channels. The FBI media relations team has updated nearly every day before" ahahah forum mentality, i think the government is a scam because it hasn't posted in the thread for a week!!1 [13:31]
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KRS1 heh [14:00]
KRS1 is bitkoins.com really the #1 Bitcoin news and forum site [14:02]
mircea_popescu totally. [14:05]
mircea_popescu godaddy domain Registered On March 30, 2013. so it has to be. [14:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62998 = 1.26 BTC [+] [14:09]
KRS1 never heard of it heh [14:09]
krlbrgmn mircea_popescu re: http://trilema.com/2013/things-that-matter-these-days-things-that-dont-matter-these-days/ "A good chunk of the recent hashpower is split roughly evenly between the Chinese and the US government." [14:11]
krlbrgmn mircea_popescu can you please give more hints? [14:11]
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KRS1 you might have to ask him for a complimentary Trilema subscription, there are hints in there from time to time. [14:28]
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mircea_popescu krlbrgmn not atm [14:50]
kakobrekla http://imgur.com/2ISD5dB [14:51]
ozbot ...I accept nothing. - Imgur [14:51]
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mircea_popescu good one [14:52]
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mircea_popescu adis99: I'm kind of wondering why they allowed such a puny bet to be protected from market forces. << mod just forgot private bets need 10btc in zeroconf. [14:59]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share [15:00]
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kakobrekla Sorry kakobrekla, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum. [15:47]
kakobrekla Reposting deleted posts (60 days) [15:47]
kakobrekla you know, i wouldnt have to be reposting if the idiots wouldnt be deleting. [15:48]
kleeck http://www.sadtrombone.com/?play=true [15:49]
ozbot Sad Trombone [15:49]
pankkake Congratulations! [15:49]
kakobrekla thanks! [15:51]
davout being banned from the forums sounds like a promotion! [15:52]
kleeck Yeah... reposting. SO HARD. SO NOBLE. [15:52]
TomServo !jd [15:53]
assbot Just-Dice stat: 5405 BTC profit, 59.2k BTC invested, 197.69 mio bets, 4.24 mio BTC wagered [15:53]
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kakobrekla deleting a scam accusation makes the deleter an accomplice/shill [15:54]
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samson_ I see Cryptsy.com is offering 100,000 shares (20% of company) on cryptostocks.com in an IPO with no expiry date for 0.05 BTC each - listed yesterday by the looks of it [16:05]
pankkake altcoins dying? time to sell the company! [16:06]
Apocalyptic ^^ [16:06]
VanCleef i only invest in PIF and Amythest [16:06]
samson_ Apparently they are going to apply for licensing so they can sell coins for USD [16:06]
samson_ All coins including BTC [16:06]
pankkake and they value themselves at 25000 BTC, sure :) [16:06]
samson_ never mind the alts - it's a way into BTC [16:07]
samson_ Well that's the issue - it looks a bit overpriced [16:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.00566001 = 0.5094 BTC [+] {2} [16:07]
pankkake I don't even see how they are going to complete raising 5000 BTC [16:07]
samson_ me neither [16:07]
pankkake worst of all, why aren't they using their own websites to sell the shares? [16:08]
samson_ I would normally buy some as the value would probably go up anyway but with no end date listed for the IPO price they might not sell all 100,000 and that would fix the price [16:08]
Apocalyptic pankkake, the part where most bitcoin people seem to fail the most is company/assets valuation [16:09]
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samson_ I bought some ASICMINER shares just over a year ago, that was the last time I invested in any assets - that wasn't so bad [16:09]
bitesak http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l02E4cj4Vvo#t=49 [16:10]
ozbot "I Support an Orwellian Police State in America" - YouTube [16:10]
bitesak the futures bright ! [16:10]
samson_ lol [16:11]
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taub btcn more volume than gox and bitstamp last 24h ! [17:13]
taub are chinamen pushing the price ralley? [17:13]
Apocalyptic yes they are obviously [17:13]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla what forum is this ? [17:14]
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mircea_popescu samson_ you know tjhe story of the fraudulent ipo of cryptostocks itself righ ? [17:14]
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kleeck Chinese Government is pushing BTC to destablize the USD further and have stronger grounds to push BRIC away from the USD. [17:15]
Apocalyptic i don't mircea, tell me [17:15]
kleeck /tinfoil hat [17:15]
mircea_popescu well basically the guy made an ipo of his own site, which included a hefty licensing fee to be paid to himself [17:15]
mircea_popescu the deal got altered after the ipo so as to vacuum most value from the supposed "investors" [17:16]
mircea_popescu it's all over the forum, see his ipo thread [17:16]
mircea_popescu provided kakobrekla didn't delete all the posts meanwhile, of course. [17:16]
Apocalyptic why would kako do that ? [17:17]
mircea_popescu kleeck yeah, totally, bric needs more reasons to move away from usd. the chinese also summoned the us ambasador in paris, i bet. [17:17]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic it's a joke, kakobrekla was complaining above he got banned for reposting deleted posts. [17:17]
mircea_popescu obviously it'd be the forum administration deleting old smoking gun posts, not kakobrekla [17:18]
Apocalyptic ok, i've been out of the loop for a while [17:18]
Apocalyptic gotta catch up [17:18]
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kakobrekla mircea_popescu, bitcointalk ofc. [17:42]
mircea_popescu what was the post anyway ? [17:43]
kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg3393033#msg3393033 [17:43]
ozbot Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on [BTC-TC] [17:43]
kakobrekla its still there, the 3rd version of it or whatever. [17:43]
kakobrekla but badbear felt butthurt when i pmed him [17:43]
kakobrekla that i know that he is trying to push ban for me [17:43]
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kakobrekla and now they plan to check all pms [17:44]
mircea_popescu weird. [17:44]
kakobrekla to see who leaked that info [17:44]
kakobrekla cause that is unacceptable! [17:44]
kakobrekla lolz. [17:44]
mircea_popescu what info you mean ? [17:45]
kakobrekla the info that he is pushing ban for me in the staff department forum [17:45]
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kakobrekla and deleting my posts. [17:45]
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kakobrekla it went like this [17:47]
kakobrekla 1. i post some stuff [17:47]
kakobrekla 2. it gets deleted [17:47]
kakobrekla 3. i re-post it [17:47]
kakobrekla 4. garr cries over my pm to leave britney alone [17:47]
kakobrekla 5. it gets deleted [17:47]
kakobrekla 6. i repost it [17:47]
mircea_popescu some stuff = ? [17:47]
kakobrekla 7. i get info who is deleting and trying to ban me [17:47]
mircea_popescu i don't think you;'re getting banned here for expliciting it. [17:48]
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kakobrekla 8. i pm that douchebag that he should stop deleting to stop reposts [17:48]
kakobrekla 9. ban [17:48]
kakobrekla and 10. [17:48]
kakobrekla drama continiues in the mod department [17:48]
Apocalyptic sounds like btctalk indeed [17:48]
kakobrekla some stuff i guess is "the slander of garr" [17:49]
kakobrekla as garr put it. [17:49]
kakobrekla im just having some morning coffee forum fun [17:49]
davout i can confirm that the butthurt level rose in the mod sections [17:50]
jcpham i can confirm i've never used btctalk in the sense of this conversation [17:51]
Apocalyptic heh [17:51]
Apocalyptic davout, you still do btc-central's btc withdrawal manually ? [17:52]
mircea_popescu who the fuck cares anyway, not like that cryptowhatever is doing anything [17:54]
davout Apocalyptic: yes [17:56]
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mircea_popescu http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/09/04/shodan-terrifying-search-engine/ [18:00]
ozbot The Terrifying Search Engine That Finds Internet-Connected Cameras, Traffic Lights, Medical Devices, [18:00]
mircea_popescu that's kind of lulzy [18:00]
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kakobrekla oh no! everything but the 'moron'! [18:06]
mircea_popescu lol [18:07]
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bitesak hello [18:55]
kakobrekla hi [18:55]
Rulother hiyo [19:00]
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TATI TAT.ASICMINER migrations form Bitfunder to Havelock now open for a limited time: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192498.msg3395298#msg3395298 [19:22]
TATI from* [19:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2812 @ 0.00084278 = 2.3699 BTC [+] [19:23]
dexX7 i assume you don't do 100x am100 -> am1 conversions? [19:26]
TATI nope [19:27]
bitesak ;;ticker [19:27]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 213.30515, Best ask: 215.76366, Bid-ask spread: 2.45851, Last trade: 215.76433, 24 hour volume: 27047.04154481, 24 hour low: 198.51000, 24 hour high: 216.00000, 24 hour vwap: 207.62934 [19:27]
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benkay "None of us, none of the people in that room want to just accept these kinds of conditions written in a top-down fashion by the Foundation that is effectively today a US foundation." [19:41]
benkay http://bitcoinmagazine.com/7643/bitcoin-in-israel-interview-with-meni-rosenfeld-and-ron-gross-part-2/ [19:41]
ozbot Bitcoin in Israel: Interview with Meni Rosenfeld and Ron Gross, Part 2 – Bitcoin Magazine [19:41]
benkay tee hee us bitcoin "foundation" rejected like a tryhard [19:42]
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mircea_popescu benkay such a shocker. [19:57]
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mircea_popescu you mean nobody cares about yet another group of posers ?! but who could have imagiend this! [19:57]
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mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=310985.msg3382569#msg3382569 from the lulz department. [20:02]
ozbot Bitfunder - no reason for a fire sale [20:02]
mircea_popescu http://mikethegoat.wordpress.com/2013/10/22/assessing-the-state-of-pgp-keys-with-phuctor/ [20:05]
ozbot Assessing The State Of PGP Keys With Phuctor | Mike the Crypto Goat [20:05]
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dexX7 "the latter guy is uh, infamous in the bitcoin world" :D [20:07]
mircea_popescu lol [20:08]
mircea_popescu left him a comment. [20:08]
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pankkake I'm not sure central bank governor is a good title. sounds like scammer mafia boss [20:22]
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mircea_popescu we're troll baiting each other [20:23]
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deadweasel http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/10/23/crowdfunding-ipo-sec-jobs-act/3169395/ [20:29]
ozbot SEC moves toward allowing crowdfunding IPOs [20:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 115 @ 0.0011487 = 0.1321 BTC [+] [20:29]
ThickAsThieves it will turn "salami" scams, where small amounts are defrauded from investors, into the new normal," [20:29]
deadweasel "This is not a good day for financially unsophisticated investors who will be targeted unrelentingly by stock promoters." [20:30]
ThickAsThieves cuz invetsors never got defrauded before [20:30]
deadweasel small time is easier. many more, harder to regulate, etc. [20:30]
deadweasel but yeah [20:30]
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mircea_popescu yeah. [20:35]
mircea_popescu measure has its downsides, definitely. also kind of unavoidable. [20:35]
deadweasel crowdfunding americans are going to lose their shirts. [20:35]
deadweasel in general, we are exceedingly ignorant. [20:35]
mircea_popescu you mean the borrowed shirts they currently wear ? or what "their" ? [20:36]
deadweasel yes, we are wearing china's old t-shirts. [20:36]
deadweasel they are very soft and cozy. [20:36]
deadweasel because sweatshop kids wore them first. [20:36]
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deadweasel hopefully, they will learn something and teach their kids and grandkids how to not be defrauded. but it's more likely they get drunk and beat them instead. [20:37]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 350 @ 0.00114987 = 0.4025 BTC [+] {4} [20:39]
pankkake well, kickstarter shows americans are happy to lose their money already :) [20:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 200 @ 0.00114989 = 0.23 BTC [+] {2} [20:40]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00114989 = 0.115 BTC [+] [20:41]
mircea_popescu yeah, what pman said [20:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00545 = 0.3815 BTC [-] {2} [20:46]
mircea_popescu i seriously could not believe the stats of that thing [20:47]
kakobrekla urlpls [20:47]
mircea_popescu i mean... that in bitcoin crazy lalaland people like that scam whose name escapes me now take pride in 80% return rates is onme thing. but mainstream ? just wow. [20:47]
mircea_popescu http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/07/26/board-game-creator-cans-123k-kickstarter-project-reinforces-the-platforms-accountability-issues/ [20:48]
ozbot No Accountability: Board Game Creator Cans $123K Kickstarter Project [20:48]
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mircea_popescu good example. but just google kickstarter scam [20:49]
benkay but mircea people are basically good [20:49]
benkay and make smart investments [20:49]
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mircea_popescu yes. [20:52]
mircea_popescu except they do it in the ass. [20:52]
Apocalyptic they male smart investments until one day they don't... [20:52]
Apocalyptic *make [20:53]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.380015 = 3.8002 BTC [-] [21:04]
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dexX7 https://hashfast.com/?p=2445&preview=true "taking a few weeks longer than expected" [21:12]
ozbot UPDATED SHIPPING NEWS | HashFast Technologies [21:12]
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mod6 ;;seen #bitcoin-assets thestringpuller [21:33]
gribble thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 18 hours, 12 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: vis-a-vis Namworld the Canadian [21:33]
mod6 wow. GTAV or a women has him pinned down. [21:34]
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nubbins` hi [21:35]
phungus he's been absent from BitVPS as well [21:36]
phungus I think he's been overwhelmed by life recently [21:36]
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phungus Namworld, that is [21:36]
mod6 oh [21:37]
mod6 is it looking for a home still? [21:37]
kakobrekla is he homeless? [21:37]
phungus BitVPS or Namworld? [21:38]
phungus :-) [21:38]
kakobrekla dunno , both [21:38]
phungus BitVPS == homeless as far as a share exchange goes [21:38]
phungus no idea about Nam [21:38]
phungus MPEX should offer us a sweet deal to re-list... hint hint [21:39]
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mod6 its been mentioned [21:39]
phungus we would probably do it [21:39]
nubbins` "I wonder whether one of the team should contact one of the keyservers and request a dump of their database. " [21:39]
nubbins` ^ [21:39]
phungus a $6500 fee to join an exchange is a little excessive though and I'm not sure but that might be a show-stopper right there [21:40]
phungus lol [21:40]
phungus if it's still 30BTC [21:40]
phungus we only got delisted because rg sold the corp to us and didn't tell anyone which broke the exchange rules [21:41]
mod6 i rememeber vividly. [21:41]
phungus we're even more solid today than we were then tho [21:41]
phungus we own physical gear, etc [21:41]
phungus and have been profitable the whole year [21:42]
nubbins` there are mpex brokers [21:43]
nubbins` https://coinbr.com/about [21:43]
ozbot About CoinBr [21:43]
skinnkavaj pankkake [21:44]
skinnkavaj https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=316810.0 [21:44]
ozbot [CRYPTOAVE.com] New BTC/DGC exchange IPO [21:44]
nubbins` !ticker --market bitstamp [21:45]
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assbot Ah, your hair. Your hair is soft. It's like a girl's. Now how do you get it that way? [21:45]
phungus a Broker doesn't seem like it would help for listing [21:45]
nubbins` oh [21:45]
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nubbins` ;;gpg eauth nubbins` [21:45]
gribble Request successful for user nubbins`, hostmask nubbins`!~nubbins`@stjhnf0148w-142134193006.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.nl.bellaliant.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/CF2950F23C844002 [21:45]
pankkake whatcoin now? [21:45]
nubbins` phungus: no, but it would help for people buying/selling [21:46]
phungus yeah, I suppose so [21:46]
nubbins` ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:1dcbd21828071f2ba4842d8ccd3869b43616b165010a4fef2c4aa785 [21:46]
gribble You are now authenticated for user nubbins` with key CF2950F23C844002 [21:46]
nubbins` it's 30 btc even if you're listing? [21:47]
deadweasel yes [21:47]
deadweasel pay the man! [21:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2145 @ 0.00063999 = 1.3728 BTC [+] [21:48]
mod6 you'd have to discuss listing with mp. and if bitvps was relisted, im pretty sure that at least the ceo/cfo would need to have an acct @ mpex to pay divs etc. [21:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 851 @ 0.0011499 = 0.9786 BTC [+] {2} [21:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.NSA] 5000 @ 0.000235 = 1.175 BTC [+] [21:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 3158 @ 0.00115224 = 3.6388 BTC [+] {2} [21:53]
mod6 even if the divs can be paid through a broker, i suppose that whatever float retained by the owners would need to be held somewhere, requiring an account. [21:53]
mod6 verdad? [21:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 5000 @ 0.000648 = 3.24 BTC [+] [21:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00083468 = 2.4623 BTC [-] [21:56]
the20year howdee [21:56]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 13.32992160 BTC to 374`436 shares, 3560 satoshi per share [22:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 167 @ 0.001155 = 0.1929 BTC [+] [22:04]
mod6 if you're angla merkel, would you believe obama when he says that he's not motitoring your phone calls? [22:08]
deadweasel you believe whatever he tells you to believe. [22:09]
kleeck I just read this gem of an article. Here's a very apt quote. [22:10]
kleeck "Crowdfunding today is rife with examples of consumers donating money to entrepreneurs, only for those people to take the money without ever producing the product or service that was pitched." [22:10]
kleeck http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/10/23/crowdfunding-ipo-sec-jobs-act/3169395/ [22:10]
ozbot SEC moves toward allowing crowdfunding IPOs [22:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 144 @ 0.06575096 = 9.4681 BTC [-] {11} [22:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7035 @ 0.00083658 = 5.8853 BTC [+] [22:10]
mod6 deadweasel: haha [22:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 415 @ 0.00083662 = 0.3472 BTC [+] [22:11]
mircea_popescu mod6 yeah. [22:11]
mircea_popescu but namworld has an account iirc [22:12]
mod6 ah. ok [22:12]
mircea_popescu and no, the recent spying scandals have cost the us in europe more than what clinton has managed to build. [22:13]
mircea_popescu (bill clinton, that is) [22:13]
mod6 maybe merkel needs to fool 'em with some phonograph whitenoise records. [22:14]
mod6 a la cryptonomicon [22:15]
mod6 i wouldn't believe a goddamn word these guys say, they've always got their fingers crossed. [22:16]
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mircea_popescu actually there's some talk of the eu making its own sigint and ditching nato [22:17]
mircea_popescu "russians and the us equally hostile" and so on. [22:17]
mod6 they certainly should. [22:18]
asciilifeform if dogs could speak, there would probably be talk among poodles of building their own walking parks and ditching humans. [22:18]
mircea_popescu except in this field the eu has more money and more human capital. [22:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what was the EU's answer to the U.S. demand for root privs on Galileo (EU GPS equiv.) ? [22:20]
mircea_popescu what year was that ? [22:20]
asciilifeform if i recall, the question was posed as 'give us an off switch or your sats get added to the target list.' [22:20]
asciilifeform couple of years ago [22:20]
mircea_popescu a lot has changed in those couple of years. [22:20]
mircea_popescu why, even last year the us could get away with kidnapping the future president of france. [22:21]
asciilifeform seems like the galileo people caved [22:22]
asciilifeform they agreed to move their freq. band away from u.s. gps, so it could be jammed separately. [22:23]
mircea_popescu im telling you, a lot has changed in the past ~6 months, and a lot in tjhe past 6 days. [22:23]
asciilifeform that's the sort of thing i was talking about. [22:23]
asciilifeform wake me up when they start publicly hanging us signint agents when caught in the wiring closets. [22:24]
mircea_popescu not likely they'll ever do that. [22:24]
mircea_popescu the yurpeans are romantics, they've not killed a spy since forever. [22:25]
asciilifeform so, not poodles? maybe occasionally ill-tempered ones, but where's the bite. [22:25]
mod6 mara hati was the last? [22:25]
mod6 *hari [22:26]
mircea_popescu what's this, infantry engagement ? spying is about information not killing people [22:26]
mircea_popescu mod6 mata hari was supposed to die in her bed, except they couldn't find it, so they did the next best thing : [22:26]
mircea_popescu tied to a pole with a bunch of dudes [22:26]
asciilifeform point, in that it isn't about blood per se, except to demonstrate intent. but which euro nation has banned u.s. OS on gov. hardware? [22:28]
asciilifeform look to me like they're happy to be pwned. [22:28]
asciilifeform just not publicly and loudly. [22:28]
mod6 is sad really. [22:28]
mircea_popescu that impression is a great asset im sure. [22:29]
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mircea_popescu rivkin's protestations to the contrary notwithstanding, the us has managed to drive itself into this narrow ally where practically speaking china is it's closest ally. [22:31]
mircea_popescu it's a sad state of affairs when a man can't really find a friend past his creditors. [22:31]
mod6 true enough, you reap what you sow. [22:32]
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mod6 im paranoid enough as an american. they've got everyone on tap. if i was a forign int service, gov or private citizen, i'd boycott all us software, and rebuild. [22:33]
mod6 no reason to use the stuff that comes with backdoors from these savages. [22:34]
mircea_popescu fortunately the foss was always big in europe [22:34]
mod6 that always helps. [22:37]
mod6 the nsa twisting nipples in enc algos and prngs is scary though. that stuff gets widespread. [22:38]
mod6 not a lot of people can determine if its been diddled with or not [22:38]
mod6 what was the one we were talking about most recently? the ECC backdoor? [22:39]
mircea_popescu maybe someone brings good quality hardware rngs to the masses. [22:39]
mod6 :) [22:40]
mod6 when that day comes, it'll be a great day for personal and ditital liberty. [22:41]
KRS1- doesn't their filtering/diddling cause a delay with time sensitive synchronization [22:41]
mircea_popescu notrly. [22:42]
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mod6 bah, *digital [22:44]
asciilifeform until everybody understands that cryptographic suitability is an entirely non-mathematical property of the bits (vs. entropic quality, an easily-quantified one) - people will be confused. [22:45]
nubbins` ^ [22:45]
asciilifeform cryptographic 'randomness' is a matter of provenance (as in this: http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/lawpoli/colour/2004061001.php) rather than entropy per se. [22:45]
mircea_popescu well, actually, randomness is not a property of numbers. it's a property of processes. [22:46]
mircea_popescu oldest observation in the book [22:46]
mod6 thats the problem with hardware prng's, they can always be tampered with [22:46]
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nubbins` haha, the color of bits re: 4'33 [22:47]
mircea_popescu "random number" really shuld be "number obtained randomly" [22:47]
nubbins` that's some seriously christian-based logic right there [22:47]
nubbins` http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident_(philosophy) [22:47]
jcpham christians are always right [22:47]
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nubbins` http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substance_theory [22:48]
mircea_popescu nubbins` how you mean ? [22:48]
nubbins` i mean when you take communion, you are, in the view of the church, literally eating the body of christ [22:49]
nubbins` now, it looks and acts like a plain unleavened wafer [22:49]
mircea_popescu well yes. [22:49]
mircea_popescu this is acquinas' idea. [22:49]
nubbins` yeah [22:49]
nubbins` and put into the context of 4'33 in the article asciilifeform linked [22:50]
asciilifeform it's not a philosophical question at all, re: the bits. their 'security' is a function of the bits and of the enemy's brain. if he knows (or might easily learn) them, they might be entropic, but not suitable for crypto. [22:50]
nubbins` "this string of zeroes isn't 4'33, but THIS string of zeroes *is*" [22:50]
asciilifeform the digits of 'pi' pass every test of entropy you can think of. (save one!) [22:50]
mircea_popescu i think you two are discussing different things [22:51]
nubbins` yeah [22:51]
nubbins` i didn't get more than a couple paragraphs into that article [22:51]
nubbins` and then i went off on a tangent [22:51]
nubbins` about transubstantiation :( [22:52]
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mircea_popescu anyway, i must join my recommendation to the http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/lawpoli/colour/2004061001.php article. [22:55]
mircea_popescu it's one of those rare bits written by a competent translator, ie, one who has solid familiarity in two different fields. [22:56]
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asciilifeform for the impatient: it wasn't about crypto per se, but still mandatory. [22:57]
nubbins` hm, i wonder if a contact mic would be useful in the context of RNGs [22:58]
nubbins` they're really small, and really cheap [22:58]
mircea_popescu for some values of useful. i prefer them to avalanche processes, but they have to be well filtered [22:59]
asciilifeform nubbins`: not that you can't use audio as an entropy seed, but most of it is incredibly periodic [22:59]
nubbins` hmm [23:00]
asciilifeform that's not even counting non-audio signals that the amp picks up (mains hum, for one) [23:00]
nubbins` ^ [23:00]
nubbins` maybe more suitable in a battery-operated device [23:00]
nubbins` on the surface it sounds great. rub the contact mic against any surface and get all the entropy you need [23:00]
nubbins` but i don't think it's quite that straight-forward [23:01]
asciilifeform think of all the periodic audio where you now stand. pc fan. wind. your breath. etc [23:01]
nubbins` yeah [23:01]
nubbins` these things are incredibly sensitive though [23:01]
asciilifeform plug it into an oscilloscope and instantly see what i meant. [23:01]
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nubbins` well. incredibly sensitive to touch, incredibly insensitive to regular sources of sound [23:02]
nubbins` you can put one inside your mouth and scream, and it'll barely register [23:02]
nubbins` or you can rub a feather against it, and deafen yourself [23:02]
mircea_popescu on the surface it sounds great. rub the contact mic against any surface and get all the entropy you need << o no, not at all. you can't use such low bits. [23:02]
asciilifeform point is, a piece of garbage that may seem 'random' to the naked eye can have all kinds of nice predictable patterns if one knows where to look. [23:03]
nubbins` yeah, guess that's the catch [23:03]
nubbins` any amplifier would introduce its own brand of consistency to the signal, &c &c [23:04]
mircea_popescu you're going the wrong way with the amplifiers [23:04]
mircea_popescu what you do is you put up a mic and sample it at 0.00000001 hz. [23:04]
mircea_popescu that's random enough [23:04]
mircea_popescu takes a while, but nevertheless. [23:04]
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nubbins` noise from contact mic fed into a non-linear equation as an input variable? [23:05]
nubbins` just thinking out loud here [23:05]
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mircea_popescu that's just hashing [23:06]
nubbins` haha [23:06]
nubbins` that's right [23:06]
asciilifeform if you're ok with a glacially-slow entropy source, just expose a DRAM chip to sunlight, with deliberately inadequate refresh cycles, wait for radiation bit-flippage. [23:06]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's horribly biased. [23:07]
dub is it still going to be random if I control input into the mic? because its trvial to do that remotely [23:07]
nubbins` trivial? [23:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: as vonneumann-debiasable as anything else [23:08]
dub yes [23:08]
nubbins` i've got one in my hand right now [23:08]
nubbins` control its input! [23:08]
dub I'd need to be a bit nearer to you but its doable [23:08]
nubbins` they're almost completely insensitive to air vibrations. you'd need to have it in your hand [23:09]
nubbins` hmm [23:09]
dub all you need is a radio and an amp [23:09]
asciilifeform nubbins`: anything attached to a human brain is a terrible source of entropy [23:09]
asciilifeform nubbins`: ever play with 'von neumann's mind reader' algo ? [23:09]
nubbins` nope [23:09]
dub nubbins`: http://lifehacker.com/5852903/silence-noisy-neighbors-by-transmitting-signals-through-their-own-speakers is an example but it might be easier to just introduce a less than random noise floor [23:11]
asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/p.cpp [23:12]
asciilifeform enjoy [23:12]
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nubbins` yeah, what i'm saying is that you'd deafen me before the contact mic would pick up the audio from my stereo [23:12]
nubbins` literally, i'd be dead with blood coming out of my ears [23:12]
dub you're wrong but keep talking [23:12]
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mircea_popescu control its input! << olo [23:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you sghould make that a webservice. [23:14]
nubbins` contact mics are orders of magnitude more sensitive to touch vibration than air vibration [23:14]
asciilifeform i did at one point, lost the code [23:14]
asciilifeform the way the game works: [23:14]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` the interraction happens through em not airwaves. [23:14]
asciilifeform you say '0' or '1' [23:14]
nubbins` o [23:14]
asciilifeform computer says '0' or '1' [23:14]
dub 20 years ago we could modulate an RF signal such that your skull would resonate a recognisable signal you would hear inside your head [23:14]
asciilifeform you tell it if it was correct [23:14]
asciilifeform it goes off and changes weights on markov chain. [23:15]
asciilifeform keeps score. [23:15]
asciilifeform human usually loses unless he cheats [23:15]
asciilifeform (starts counting letters in phrases from memory, flips coins, etc.) [23:15]
asciilifeform not my idea. attributed to johnny von n, but i was given it by my brother, who plucked it from an ancient soviet textbook. [23:16]
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mircea_popescu if you make it a webservice this'll be a great group activity at april conference. [23:16]
mircea_popescu get everyone drunk, person with worst score picks up the tab [23:16]
asciilifeform sure why not! [23:16]
nubbins` hm. well, i guess if i was onto something here, it would've been figured out ages ago [23:16]
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mircea_popescu "Hey, Reddit, Ycombinator, and Metafilter readers! You know what, I'm proud that this article has become a benchmark, but I've written a lot of others I like too, some of them more recently than 2004. It would sure be nice if my other articles got some love instead of just this one being linked from a discussion every week." [23:19]
* mod6 thinks [23:19]
mircea_popescu dude wrote an article a decade ago, which saw 100bn page loads and 34 comments. [23:20]
mircea_popescu understandably a little miffed [23:20]
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dub he should fartscroll.js it [23:24]
pankkake could a vacuum tube be used as an entropy source? [23:24]
mircea_popescu pankkake that's basically avalanche [23:25]
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pankkake ok. interesting [23:26]
mircea_popescu basically you put a diode into backwards mode and count the electrons that make it past the barrier [23:26]
b0n1 is it profitable trading gold in china? [23:26]
b0n1 meaning to ship it out and sell it on for example european market [23:27]
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b0n1 anyone a source or a clue? [23:27]
pankkake I like vacuum tubes for the looks basically :p I'd buy that kind of random number generator [23:27]
mircea_popescu b0n1 no. china is a net importer, and because of govt pressure consumer gold is even more expensive [23:27]
mircea_popescu go the other way. [23:27]
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pankkake don't you have to smugle it? or it's india [23:28]
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topace do the coinabul peeps every lurk on irc these days ? [23:28]
mircea_popescu coingenuity [23:28]
nubbins` pankkake: plus you could be all badass walking into the music store [23:29]
nubbins` "yeah, i need some tubes" [23:29]
nubbins` "oh, for your amp?" [23:29]
b0n1 what is a good chinese commodity for taking out and selling elsewhere more expensive [23:29]
mircea_popescu b0n1 women. [23:29]
b0n1 jade? is there actually a market for jade in europe? [23:29]
b0n1 lal mircea_popescu [23:29]
mircea_popescu also, tshirts, electronic appliances of all kinds, small plastic toys [23:29]
mircea_popescu as well as 90% of all the items you have seen today. [23:29]
nubbins` chinese t-shirts [23:29]
mod6 pankkake: seems like india has import controls, something like 15% tax on gold import [23:30]
b0n1 well but there are certainly high market entry barriers, right? Maybe you need licences that are difficult to get? [23:30]
mircea_popescu basically you need to sign an agreement that if you steal their money they'll kill you with knives. [23:31]
mircea_popescu think of dealing with the mob, it's how china handles its export business. [23:31]
pankkake nubbins`: exactly, and I already have tubes for my amp anyway ;) [23:31]
nubbins` i'm picturing a Hiwatt with a built-in RNG [23:32]
mircea_popescu but speaking of gold, anyone saw the 2mn oz paper sale on the 11th ? [23:32]
mod6 yeah [23:33]
nubbins` "5-level eq, all tubes, sub-harmonic generator, and here's a usb port" [23:33]
mircea_popescu day's lol it was. [23:33]
coingenuity mircea_popescu: hm? [23:34]
coingenuity ah [23:34]
b0n1 do you have to pay tax on gold in china? [23:35]
coingenuity b0n1: you can't import gold to china [23:35]
b0n1 export [23:35]
b0n1 no import [23:35]
coingenuity you pay your 'tax' in the form of price-fixes by the government, which is the only authority allowed to sell/buy [23:36]
coingenuity you cant export either [23:36]
coingenuity bank of china is the only one allowed [23:36]
b0n1 black market? [23:36]
coingenuity you can bribe them and get an export authorization, or so i hear [23:36]
b0n1 shadow banking system? [23:36]
mircea_popescu this dude is cute. [23:36]
coingenuity whats good mircea_popescu :) [23:37]
mircea_popescu yes, all hail b0n1, the new black gold market czar of china [23:37]
b0n1 :) [23:37]
mircea_popescu they'll shoot you dood. [23:37]
coingenuity ^ [23:37]
mircea_popescu but otherwise, china buys 100-150 tons a month. thanks to the jpm&co keeping the price low with their derivative trades, [23:38]
coingenuity heh [23:38]
coingenuity yeah, the gov buys a ton [23:38]
b0n1 coingenuity, is it difficult to get the export authorization? [23:38]
coingenuity b0n1: i assume its nearly impossible [23:38]
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mircea_popescu start by getting the job of chinese foreign trade minister [23:38]
mircea_popescu then it;'s easy. [23:38]
coingenuity ^ [23:38]
b0n1 :) maybe i am [23:39]
b0n1 haha [23:39]
mircea_popescu on the internet every dog is the emperor of china. [23:39]
coingenuity lol [23:39]
b0n1 coingenuity, what do you think of jade? [23:39]
coingenuity b0n1: no opinion [23:40]
b0n1 or as mircea_popescu said any textile stuff. you could just go to a trading company that ship the stuff always straight to europe [23:40]
nubbins` b0n1: curious to know what you're getting at here [23:40]
mircea_popescu yes yes. if you have a good opportunity they'll provide you goods. learn chinese, go hang out there fgor a year. it's a living. [23:40]
mircea_popescu not quite as good a living as it was in 1993, but anyway. [23:41]
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b0n1 nubbins`, maybe some cool sources to read a bit about that [23:43]
b0n1 good forums or stuff... cant find any good source [23:43]
nubbins` i meant, why are you so interested in exporting a good from chins [23:44]
nubbins` uh. china [23:44]
nubbins` !ticker [23:44]
assbot I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who. [23:44]
nubbins` hm [23:44]
nubbins` ;;ticker [23:45]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 221.80016, Best ask: 223.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.19984, Last trade: 221.80016, 24 hour volume: 37045.60898872, 24 hour low: 199.60000, 24 hour high: 224.30000, 24 hour vwap: 211.91772 [23:45]
nubbins` ^ that's getting a bit ridiculous [23:45]
b0n1 nubbins`, because i think there is great potential after the opening [23:45]
mod6 i've been thinking about this chart lately: http://blockchain.info/charts/miners-operating-profit-margin << even after the rally, look where it is. [23:46]
nubbins` ha [23:47]
kakobrekla http://smpake.com/etc/btc/ [23:47]
nubbins` i'm having trouble deciding how greedy to be [23:48]
mircea_popescu mod6 which is why the rally. [23:48]
mod6 kakobrekla: what does the x axis rep? im cornfused. [23:49]
mircea_popescu on top of everything else however, like tech obsolesncence etc, the independent miners now also have the problem of dealing with people who mine for political rather than economic reasons [23:49]
mircea_popescu it'll be tough [23:49]
kakobrekla horizontal is time [23:49]
nubbins` 10% attack [23:49]
mod6 kakobrekla: i can't figure how those numbers are linear though [23:50]
nubbins` anyway, the dilemma is that if i sell this stack of btc now, i could lose out on potential gains if the trend continues to rise [23:50]
kakobrekla its a copla of years chars since its started to chart [23:50]
kakobrekla dayum its been long : [23:50]
nubbins` but if i sit on them with the expectation that the trend continues, i risk losing out on potential gains as well [23:50]
nubbins` and so i'm left trying to decide just how greedy i am [23:51]
mircea_popescu lmao. 1st world problems. [23:51]
nubbins` i know right? [23:51]
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mod6 oh because { 26.x, 27.x, 28.x, 27.x, 26.x ...} etc [23:52]
mod6 ok heh [23:52]
mod6 oh thats the date, not the month. got it. [23:52]
nubbins` ah! [23:53]
* mod6 is dumb [23:53]
nubbins` well, that makes more sense now [23:53]
nubbins` what an odd date format [23:53]
mircea_popescu it's not odd, it's european/ [23:53]
nubbins` you just said two opposite things [23:53]
mircea_popescu inception [23:54]
mircea_popescu http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/17/signature-thursday-how-strong-is-yours/ [23:54]
ozbot Signature Thursday: How strong is yours? | Bingo Blog [23:54]
mircea_popescu im curious how long before judges move to gpg sigs [23:55]
deadweasel yes, wake up, the price is actually $33/btc [23:55]
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nubbins` mircea_popescu: prolly never [23:56]
mircea_popescu i dunno, i wouldn't take the judge job w/o gpg sigs. [23:57]
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nubbins` well, there are plenty of judges that won't accept emailed documents but will accept faxes [23:57]
nubbins` not necessarily the most eager to embrace technology [23:57]
nubbins` anyway, i gotta go prep for a zine workshop. peace [23:58]
mircea_popescu yeah, but suppose it becomes law tomorrow that should your signature be forged, you're responsible as if you had signed. [23:58]
nubbins` heh! [23:58]
mircea_popescu part of a larger obama responsibility reform package, that also includes a rule that if your computer is hacked and sends spam, you're fined [23:59]
mircea_popescu ten bux an email or something reasonable like that. [23:59]
mircea_popescu (half of which going to the party that reports the spam, of course) [23:59]
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