Forum logs for 23 Nov 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
smickles http://blog.smickles.com/bitcoin/the-ponzi-of-wikipedia-and-bitcoin/#update_22nov12 << Even though mircea_popescu disagrees, I know some of you care ;) [00:01]
Azelphur smickles: good that it got removed [00:06]
Namjies What? It was only truths! [00:06]
Azelphur lol [00:06]
Namjies People have indeed accused bitcoins of being a ponzi. [00:06]
Namjies That section didn't state if that was right or no, just that some people claimed so. [00:07]
smickles Namjies: source? [00:07]
Namjies There was a few linked articles. [00:07]
Namjies Now they got removed. [00:07]
smickles and don't link to a source saying that people say it has been accused of being a ponzi [00:07]
Azelphur Namjies: that kind of thing is stupid to have on an article lol [00:07]
Azelphur on that basis I accuse the US president of being a prostitute [00:07]
Azelphur TO WIKIPEDIA [00:07]
Namjies I know, I know. [00:08]
Azelphur xD [00:08]
smickles lol, Namjies those refrences never said who accused it of being a ponzi [00:08]
Azelphur yea, wikipedia is meant to be about facts :p [00:08]
smickles not even so low as some forum nick [00:08]
smickles it was essentially hearsay [00:09]
smickles (did i spell that correctly?) [00:09]
Namjies Yeah, well just make sure your name is in the news as a crazy nutjob claiming the president is a prostitute. [00:09]
Azelphur :D [00:09]
Namjies Once it's quoted in reputable newspapers, we can add a section on wikipedia. [00:09]
smickles heh, they don't usually give the names of people saying baseless things [00:10]
Namjies "Name has blocked bridge/shot people/other claiming the President is a prostitute. The incident... President's reaction..." [00:10]
smickles isn't that part of the point in haveing it removed? [00:10]
Namjies I said make sure your name is in the news. [00:10]
smickles noone reputable actually accused bitcoin of being a ponzi [00:10]
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Namjies You can get something included in wikipedia anyway by creating a large commotion worth mentioning. [00:11]
smickles reputable institutions said that someone heard it said that... [00:11]
Namjies So long as that incident is big enough. [00:12]
smickles https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=127096.0 Oh, by the way, i'm suprised i wasn't mentioned here, and mircea_popescu was edited out [00:12]
Namjies And whatever you were screaming/saying could very well end up quoted in a wikipedia article. [00:12]
Namjies As it's a relevant information to the fact (the "incident") [00:13]
Namjies You have to think around the limitations. [00:13]
smickles Namjies: do you think the original statement implied that it actually is a ponzi? [00:13]
Namjies No. But I know that's not how the general public would read it. [00:14]
smickles "Some criticize Bitcoin for being a [[Ponzi scheme]]..." [00:15]
smickles I don't quite se how that doesn't imply it is a ponzi [00:15]
smickles it basically says, it's a ponzi, and some criticize it b/c of that [00:16]
Namjies It just says some people think it is a Ponzi. [00:17]
smickles that would be "Some criticize Bitcoin, claiming it is a [[Ponzi scheme]].." tho [00:18]
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smickles "some criticize smickles for being a human" [00:19]
Namjies When you criticize something for being X, X is not necessarily proven. [00:19]
Namjies "some criticize smickles for being a douche" The point is not proven but someone is criticizing you for it. [00:20]
smickles google says it's "Indicate the faults of (someone or something) in a disapproving way", and fault as "An unattractive or unsatisfactory feature", that sound to me as if it was something that is proven [00:20]
Namjies Or criticize can simply mean you judged something to be X based on what you see. [00:21]
jurov yes, i parse such sentence like they're criticizing known fact [00:21]
smickles anywah, that's the crux of the debate [00:22]
jurov then i have to retrace anf think maybe it's not a fact, jsut assumption [00:22]
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Namjies "We'll proceed this way, it works because" -> "This cannot possibly work because" [00:22]
Namjies "some criticized the plan as being impossible" [00:22]
Namjies or for being impossible. [00:23]
Namjies Perfectly valid usage, yet it doesn't prove what you criticize is true. [00:24]
Namjies You can criticize anything for being anything. [00:24]
jurov id doesn't proves, just implies [00:24]
jurov *it [00:24]
jurov implication that can be pretty damning, too [00:24]
Namjies It implies the person who criticize it believes it's a fact/fault [00:24]
Namjies "Some people criticize the US government for not being a democracy" <-- [00:26]
Namjies The person criticizing implies something, but it's not a proven fact. [00:26]
smickles lol, it is a republic tho [00:26]
Namjies I would have read it as being a Ponzi if they said the owner/administrator admitted it was a ponzi and could link to articles/investigation/reports/etc quoting/claiming so. [00:27]
jurov Namjies, yeah, but i wouldn't rely on that in election campaign, for example :p [00:27]
jurov there's thorretical semantics and there's practice [00:28]
Namjies and I don't rely on someone criticizing something as a Ponzi to be a proof it is... [00:28]
Namjies so I didn't read the statement as saying Bitcoin was a Ponzi. [00:29]
Namjies But yes, it was not worth the mention on wikipedia. [00:29]
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smickles oooh, Namjies Sudoghost commented on my article [01:14]
smickles http://blog.smickles.com/bitcoin/the-ponzi-of-wikipedia-and-bitcoin/#comment-6 [01:14]
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Namjies Go Sudoghost! [01:21]
Namjies If the tidbit was reworded to "has been accused of", I'd be quite fine with it. [01:21]
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smickles I'm actually a little suprised that sudoghost say my blog, that page has only had 170 views, and that's about half as many as the biggest fish page has had [01:40]
smickles s/say/saw/ [01:40]
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thestringpuller lord smickles! [01:48]
smickles My pleb, thestringpuller [01:49]
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thestringpuller it has begun [01:50]
thestringpuller ;;halfreward [01:50]
gribble Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Thu Nov 29 02:40:44 2012 UTC | Time remaining: 6 days, 2 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds. [01:50]
smickles the final week [01:50]
thestringpuller i couldnt get online in time last night to get the calls [01:51]
smickles You still expect the exghange rate to go apeshit here sooN? [01:51]
smickles aw, too bad [01:51]
smickles if you trust icbit, there are still futures pretty low [01:52]
thestringpuller i don't trust icbit based on your affidavit [01:53]
thestringpuller I spelled that rong [01:53]
smickles ;;ticker --last [01:53]
gribble 12.31000 [01:53]
smickles ;;bc,24hprc [01:53]
gribble 12.01 [01:53]
thestringpuller Ugh christmas time again [01:53]
smickles and that's still 30 cents away [01:53]
thestringpuller I'm starting to hate christmas [01:53]
smickles heh, what's christmas? [01:54]
smickles I finally got my wife to stop acting like a drunk person (bringing a whole tree into the house) [01:54]
thestringpuller UGH and hitman absolution is out? [01:55]
thestringpuller dude [01:55]
thestringpuller I need a time machine [01:55]
smickles lol, timesink, that one should be [01:58]
thestringpuller i should stop watching iron chef and start coding [02:00]
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thestringpuller lets ruthless take over mpex [02:06]
thestringpuller jkjk [02:06]
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smickles mircea_popescu: You've been entirely left out here: http://bitcoinmagazine.net/bitfinex-bitcoinica-rises-from-the-grave/ [02:08]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=127096.0 Oh, by the way, i'm suprised i wasn't mentioned here, and mircea_popescu was edited out << lmao i was in there ?! [02:11]
smickles yeah, I didn't look into it far enough to find out why you were redacted [02:12]
mircea_popescu smickles you wouldn't expect bitcoin magazine to make sense would you. [02:12]
mircea_popescu but the explanation is quite simple : everyone left. the only guy left is some schmuck from Ro by the name of mihai something [02:13]
mircea_popescu who's butthurt cause he was kinda told to pack it here http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/ciuciu-bond/#comment-87615 [02:14]
thestringpuller usagi defrauded us [02:19]
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pigeons EskimoBob defrauded me, he lied that he owend one share of something usagi had, and usagi the honaorable said he didn't, so by some way i haven't figured out yet, bob scammed me [02:22]
mircea_popescu what's a honaor [02:23]
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thestringpuller you invested in nyan.a popescu? [02:24]
pigeons oh sorry, should be "the honorable usagi" [02:24]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller were 100 btc of mpcd series [02:25]
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thestringpuller what was the mpcd series? I am still uninformed, I apologize. [02:26]
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mircea_popescu it was an attempt to create a CDO series [02:27]
mircea_popescu it's on the forum somewhwere, i think if you search for mpcd it'll pop [02:27]
pigeons mircea_popescu issued cdoish things invested into such top rated securites as usagi's issues and patrick harnett [02:27]
thestringpuller and they both defaulted? [02:28]
mircea_popescu interesting how that works innit. [02:28]
pigeons well at the very least, they both stopped paying [02:28]
smickles http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/13n7dn/bitcoin_magazine_leaves_out_a_crucial_detail/ [02:37]
smickles :D [02:37]
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mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/the-biggest-fish-revisited/ [02:42]
mircea_popescu there. [02:42]
mircea_popescu smickles what's worth mentioning is that mpoe actually existed one week before bitcoinica. [02:42]
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smickles mircea_popescu: oh yeah [02:46]
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smickles mircea_popescu: http://blog.smickles.com/criticism/bitcoin-magazine-leaves-out-a-crucial-detail/#edit [02:53]
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mircea_popescu aha! [02:58]
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mircea_popescu i'm curious if the biggest fish guy makes the changes proposed. [02:58]
smickles we'll see, did you actually point your article out to him? [03:00]
mircea_popescu emailed a link [03:00]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [03:04]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 12.26859, Best ask: 12.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03141, Last trade: 12.31000, 24 hour volume: 60247.09652593, 24 hour low: 11.67000, 24 hour high: 12.43000, 24 hour vwap: 12.08073 [03:04]
mircea_popescu o hey [03:04]
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thestringpuller bears on unicycles [03:18]
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mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/HxfJvM8H isn't this cute ? [03:26]
copumpkin http://goatkcd.com/1136/ [03:28]
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lucidlepidoptera please check out our new bitcoin service startup: https://btcjam.com/listings/584 [03:30]
mircea_popescu lol [03:30]
mircea_popescu there's goatkcd now ?! [03:30]
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smickles mircea_popescu: did you notice the new fishgame address and someone trying to buy them out? http://blog.smickles.com/bitcoin/the-biggest-fish/#update_2_22nov12 [03:41]
mircea_popescu not rly. [03:41]
mircea_popescu why buy them out ? "very low barrier to entry" "anyone could make a game" [03:41]
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smickles dunno [03:42]
mircea_popescu FreeMoney of SealsWithClubs fame [03:42]
mircea_popescu what fame is that ? [03:42]
smickles poker [03:42]
smickles iirc, it's the most active online bitcoin poker site [03:43]
mircea_popescu yes, but micon runs it [03:44]
mircea_popescu who's freemoney ? [03:44]
dub heh I put .2 in yesterday and attacked once, just woke up at im biggest fish [03:44]
mircea_popescu you're the goatse ? i fed you earlier a little. like the idea. [03:45]
smickles mircea_popescu: oh? i thought fremoney was significantly involved [03:45]
smickles I could be wrong [03:45]
mircea_popescu smickles i don't know that he isn't, which is whuy im asking. [03:45]
mircea_popescu when you say fame, you got a fame right ? [03:45]
smickles Ok, well, i'm asking them if they are related now :) [03:50]
mircea_popescu lmao @mtgox support [03:52]
mircea_popescu user : here, they've not paid me ONE MONTH LATER! [03:52]
mircea_popescu support : we are sorry but we are out of cash today and it was a holiday in japan. [03:52]
thestringpuller how can you "be out of cash" [03:54]
mircea_popescu welll.... [03:55]
smickles http://blog.smickles.com/bitcoin/the-biggest-fish/#comment-8 << i'm not really sure what this is about [03:57]
mircea_popescu spam. [03:58]
smickles lol, i was totally taken in [03:59]
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smickles mircea_popescu: it seems freemoney was the op of the sealswithclubs forum post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40077.0 [04:07]
mircea_popescu aha! [04:07]
mircea_popescu nice find. [04:07]
mircea_popescu august 2011 was such a kickass month huh. [04:08]
mircea_popescu EVERYONE WAS BORN THEN [04:08]
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pigeons yes freemoney owns sealswithclubs and micon is paid as the pro and to promote last i heard [04:22]
smickles thanks pigeons [04:23]
kakobrekla who is freemoney [04:24]
pigeons owner of sealswithclubs bitcoin poker site [04:25]
mircea_popescu aptly named huh [04:26]
kakobrekla ah i thought there was more to it [04:26]
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smickles kakobrekla: the question stemmed from my calling him famous [04:26]
smickles kakobrekla: here http://blog.smickles.com/bitcoin/the-biggest-fish/#update_2_22nov12 [04:27]
thestringpuller mr. smickles [04:28]
smickles kakobrekla: which was prompted by https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=127159.msg1352084#msg1352084 [04:29]
smickles where he said he wanted to buy the fish game and make it 0-conf [04:29]
kakobrekla wait, doesnt the size of the fish reflect your odds of winning a battle [04:29]
smickles yes [04:29]
smickles thestringpuller: yo :) [04:29]
kakobrekla so ianbakewell is retarded [04:30]
smickles kakobrekla: why? [04:30]
smickles wha'd i miss? [04:30]
kakobrekla I do not want a 10 BTC fish. [04:30]
kakobrekla I would probably play a .5 fish 20 times tho... [04:30]
kakobrekla quoted. [04:30]
smickles kakobrekla: i think that is a good position to hold tho [04:30]
kakobrekla ok [04:30]
kakobrekla its a stupid game in any case. [04:31]
smickles consider the reward of 90% of the larger fish to the odds of loss [04:31]
smickles and the odds of loss in consideration of 50% of your own weight [04:31]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/the-biggest-fish-revisited/ [04:32]
mircea_popescu pretty much what you want to do. [04:32]
smickles probabilistically, you want to aim at the fish which gives you the least odds of winning, so long as it is large enough compared to you [04:32]
mircea_popescu smickles im not so sure you did that math right. [04:32]
smickles mircea_popescu: it varies based on the given fish weights [04:32]
mircea_popescu right. [04:32]
smickles but it's: enemy*chance*.9 >= self*chance*.5 [04:33]
mircea_popescu why * .9 ? [04:33]
smickles when true, attack [04:33]
smickles mircea_popescu: rtfm [04:33]
smickles ;) [04:33]
mircea_popescu um ? [04:33]
mircea_popescu link ? lol [04:33]
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smickles http://78.47.168.188/# [04:34]
smickles and click "click here to read how to play" [04:34]
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smickles there's an octopus now [04:34]
mircea_popescu can you just quote the thing here so i don't have to make a new fish ? [04:35]
smickles kk, one sec, i don't think i can copypasta [04:35]
mircea_popescu basically the way i see it, 100 btc fish A and 1 btc fish B [04:35]
mircea_popescu A stands to gain .5 and to lose 50, B to gain 50 and lose .5 [04:36]
mircea_popescu the odds are 1:101 for B to win and 100:101 for A to win. [04:36]
smickles oh, it is .5 [04:36]
smickles actually, .5*.9 [04:36]
mircea_popescu what ? [04:36]
smickles half the enemy is taken as winnings, and 90% of winnings go to you [04:37]
smickles 9% to ally [04:37]
smickles and 1% to the owner [04:37]
mircea_popescu aha... [04:37]
smickles but it's: enemy*chance*.5*.9 >= self*chance*.5 [04:37]
mircea_popescu uh [04:38]
smickles er, s/but/so/ [04:38]
mircea_popescu you realise you can just simplify "chance" out of that ? [04:38]
smickles yeah, now that I have all the data in there [04:39]
mircea_popescu basically your equation reads enemy * .9 > self [04:39]
mircea_popescu which... wut ? [04:39]
smickles self-chance = 1-enemy-chance tho [04:39]
mircea_popescu well no/ [04:40]
mircea_popescu it has a rake [04:40]
mircea_popescu anyway, enemy weight * your chance to bite it should always be equal to your own weight. [04:41]
mircea_popescu roughly speaking. [04:41]
smickles if i've done it right, it makes sense to attack an 11 or higher fish when you are .1 [04:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00050672 = 10.5651 BTC [+] [04:42]
thestringpuller ... [04:42]
mircea_popescu the reason it makes sense to attack a large fish if you have more money than his weight is gambler's ruin [04:42]
mircea_popescu ie, you can just keep attacking till you wipe him. [04:42]
smickles but you wouldn't expect to profit if the odds are a certain way [04:43]
thestringpuller gamblin is so lame [04:43]
mircea_popescu anyway, bbl [04:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00050672 = 5.9033 BTC [+] [04:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00050903 = 16.5944 BTC [+] [04:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00051058 = 2.3997 BTC [+] [04:44]
smickles according to my math, if the fish is 10, and you repeatedly go after it with a .1 fish, you should lose over the long haul average [04:44]
smickles and that's assuming I have the correct data to begin with [04:44]
smickles it could be dutch booked or something [04:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00050548 = 10.6909 BTC [-] [04:44]
smickles thestringpuller: but it's not gambling, it's advertising :) [04:45]
kakobrekla gamblintising [04:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00050689 = 4.8661 BTC [+] [04:48]
smickles lol https://twitter.com/NYTOnIt/status/271715694196961281 [04:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3760 @ 0.00051064 = 1.92 BTC [+] [04:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00050689 = 7.0965 BTC [-] [05:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18349 @ 0.00050548 = 9.2751 BTC [-] [05:05]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2270 @ 0.00313301 = 7.1119 BTC [+] [05:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 130 @ 0.00339944 = 0.4419 BTC [+] [05:16]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15511 @ 0.00050251 = 7.7944 BTC [-] [05:18]
dub nefario is one unlucky fish [05:26]
jcpham splish splash i was taking a bath [05:26]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14931 @ 0.00050224 = 7.4989 BTC [-] [05:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6319 @ 0.00050224 = 3.1737 BTC [-] [05:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4481 @ 0.00050139 = 2.2467 BTC [-] [05:34]
smickles mircea_popescu: direct from sealswithclubs, when i asked who freemoney was "Hi Michael, I own and manage Seals and often handle customer support." [05:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35019 @ 0.00050139 = 17.5582 BTC [-] [05:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1231 @ 0.00050051 = 0.6161 BTC [-] [05:36]
mircea_popescu smickles cool! [05:39]
mircea_popescu dub why now ? [05:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6000 @ 0.00337149 = 20.2289 BTC [-] [05:39]
mircea_popescu Fox News claims in an exclusive report published this week that among the global taxes slated to be considered by the UN this year are a 1 percent tax on billionaires around the world, a “tiny” tax on all financial transactions worldwide and even yet another fee tacked on to already heavily-taxed airline tickets. [05:40]
mircea_popescu who the fuck is the un again ? [05:40]
smickles that thing they thought of after seeing hitler fail? [05:42]
pigeons http://www.inboxity.com/content/un-involved-africa.jpg [05:46]
jcpham hitler failed? [05:47]
jcpham smickles some might argue hitler was successful [05:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4350 @ 0.00339944 = 14.7876 BTC [+] [05:47]
Namjies Can someone explain how the UN can enforce taxing billionaires around the world? >.> [05:52]
mircea_popescu anyone still extending credit to a government these days is absolutely loony. [05:52]
mircea_popescu just sell the fucking tbills and forget govts even exist. [05:53]
mircea_popescu let them loan themselves imaginary money till they're blue in the ballsack. [05:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.0005068 = 5.3214 BTC [+] [05:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29177 @ 0.0005068 = 14.7869 BTC [+] [05:53]
sgornick Looking at coinbr.com for the first time ... I see the dashboard but how would I create an order? (I have not funded the account, if that matters.) [05:56]
mircea_popescu ding jurov for that. [05:56]
Namjies I'm building a rocket. Leaving this rock. Anyone with me? [05:57]
mircea_popescu i ain't leaving. [05:58]
sgornick mircea_popescu: Does coinbr allow orders for MPOE options too? [06:00]
mircea_popescu actually i dunno [06:00]
mircea_popescu i don't see why not tho ? [06:00]
sgornick Cool, I'll PM jurov. [06:01]
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rdponticelli sgornick: Yes, you have options there [06:07]
rdponticelli But you can't do much on the site without a balance... [06:07]
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Ukto you around? :P [06:09]
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Chaang-Noi pie to the face, lulz [06:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00050676 = 3.3193 BTC [-] [06:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00050195 = 13.904 BTC [-] [06:20]
dub You have NaN BTC. [06:21]
Azelphur so many bitcoins that it's not even a number any more. [06:22]
Ukto sup Chaang-Noi :P [06:23]
dub nefario on top [06:24]
Chaang-Noi hi Ukto :) [06:26]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18999 @ 0.00051072 = 9.7032 BTC [+] [06:31]
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mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/voluntary-contracts-after-a-while/#comment-90636 [06:46]
mircea_popescu whoa! someone contributed a story! [06:46]
* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [14:23]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: http://polimedia.us/mpex || https://coinbr.com || https://cryptostocks.com || https://icbit.se || https://therocktrading.com || https://assets-otc.com || https://www.havelockinvestments.com || list bot commands: !help || Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades || Net Chart: http://bit.ly/RPclBi [14:23]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Thu Nov 8 15:00:02 2012 [14:23]
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mircea_popescu so is ANYONE left who's not working on, launching or trying to sell some sort of btc stock exchange ? [14:35]
mircea_popescu to think that only a few short months away everyone was pissing their pants thinking of the sec. [14:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10152 @ 0.00049851 = 5.0609 BTC [-] [14:42]
Diablo-D3 dub: hey, are you still going to do your proxy when the block reward halves? [14:57]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00050251 = 9.0201 BTC [+] [15:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10154 @ 0.00050897 = 5.1681 BTC [+] [15:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3159 @ 0.00051073 = 1.6134 BTC [+] [15:30]
Ukto mircea_popescu: the SEC stuff was all false speculation from the get go [15:30]
Ukto some of us never "pissed out pants" and did what we wanted from teh get go :P [15:31]
Ukto our* [15:31]
Ukto some [15:31]
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mircea_popescu well... "everyone" [15:32]
Ukto mircea_popescu: is there anyone else who has a btc stock exchange thats been created since that is ready to launch ? [15:33]
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mircea_popescu o, the forum is replete. [15:33]
mircea_popescu im not even sure how many there are anymore. 12 ? 20 ? [15:33]
Ukto lol [15:33]
Diablo-D3 heh [15:33]
Diablo-D3 the question is [15:34]
Ukto actually launched/usable? :P [15:34]
Diablo-D3 whos going to win? [15:34]
Ukto I saw one the other day that was ahorrid green color [15:34]
mircea_popescu well i didn't dig that deep ukto [15:34]
Ukto nah, someone had linked it [15:34]
mircea_popescu i'm backlogged. [15:34]
Ukto I cant stand forums [15:34]
Ukto so I avoid them like the plague [15:34]
mircea_popescu hire pr. [15:35]
mircea_popescu anyway, i just looked. your thing is something more like that btcjam disaster than straight exchange [15:36]
mircea_popescu hopefully you make more sense than that guy. [15:36]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8559 @ 0.00051141 = 4.3772 BTC [+] [15:36]
Ukto actually [15:38]
Ukto right now its almost a literal glbse clone [15:38]
Diablo-D3 Ukto: that doesnt sound so bad [15:38]
Ukto the kickstarter stuff will be added later [15:38]
Ukto Diablo-D3: exactly [15:38]
Ukto most ppl have told me they dont want something differnt. [15:38]
Ukto they just want what worked, and what they knew [15:38]
Ukto so I did it, in a fashionable way. [15:38]
Diablo-D3 have you decided if you'll allow zero coupon non-collable company bonds? [15:39]
Ukto no bonds right now [15:39]
Ukto far too scammish [15:39]
Ukto until I come up with a plan for it [15:40]
Ukto ppl can use all the other wannabe's to scam ppl with those for now [15:40]
Diablo-D3 what about just limited allowance of them? [15:40]
Ukto considered it, just havent worked it all the way through yet [15:40]
Ukto jsut wanna focus on the core system right now [15:40]
Ukto and get it up [15:40]
Diablo-D3 well, if I launch DMC 2.0, thats the way I want to go with funding I think [15:40]
Ukto still have a few more important things, but wont hold back launch [15:40]
Ukto your considering that? [15:40]
Diablo-D3 yeah. [15:41]
Diablo-D3 its the least problematic way [15:41]
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Ukto so far of the ppl who have their asset lists from nefario [15:42]
Ukto 2 are considering my system [15:42]
Diablo-D3 I could issue them across multiple exchanges I think [15:43]
Diablo-D3 or just issue them to exchanges directly and have them do whatever [15:44]
Ukto hehehe [15:46]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1995 @ 0.00049819 = 0.9939 BTC [-] [15:47]
Diablo-D3 Ukto: what I was thinking was this [15:48]
Diablo-D3 issue "real" certificates as digitally signed certs [15:49]
Diablo-D3 all numbered and signed with a pgp key used only for this and then locked away in a vault [15:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29071 @ 0.00049959 = 14.5236 BTC [+] [15:53]
Diablo-D3 Ukto: so I think it'd work [15:54]
Diablo-D3 since no interest is paid, I dont have to worry about that blowing up because some exchange went south [15:55]
Diablo-D3 and since its non-callable, what its actually worth is set in stone [15:56]
mircea_popescu "The BitForce SC chip is now in final stage development. Initial product delivery is scheduled for November, 2012." [15:58]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1571 @ 0.00049819 = 0.7827 BTC [-] [16:11]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: doesnt matter at this point [16:15]
Diablo-D3 even if they ship, its still forever a scam [16:15]
mircea_popescu why are you so bitter [16:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25050 @ 0.00049819 = 12.4797 BTC [-] [16:28]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: that isnt it [16:31]
Diablo-D3 look at the terms of dibflsc [16:31]
mircea_popescu yaya i know. [16:31]
Diablo-D3 oct 31st. [16:31]
Diablo-D3 they failed to ship, they are a scam. [16:32]
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Ukto hmm [16:38]
Ukto Diablo-D3: mebbe [16:38]
Ukto in the end, I will let anyone attempt to create an asset, and write it up. I will personally decide weather to greenlight it or not. [16:38]
Ukto although [16:39]
Ukto does anyone have an excerpt from GLBSE's api page? :/ [16:39]
Ukto I need to double check some things [16:40]
Diablo-D3 not me [16:41]
Ukto been digging around, but my googlefu has failed me [16:41]
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gigavps https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75802.msg1353074#msg1353074 [16:52]
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mircea_popescu how much is all this costing you in the end gigavps ? [17:11]
gigavps mircea_popescu a lot [17:12]
mircea_popescu sucks, [17:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2945 @ 0.00049924 = 1.4703 BTC [-] [17:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35655 @ 0.00049921 = 17.7993 BTC [-] [17:12]
mircea_popescu but i admire the drive to do things properly for once. [17:12]
mircea_popescu (for once i don't mean about you, i mean about bitcoin in general) [17:12]
gigavps you should send mpoe-pr into my thread to quote you on that [17:13]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2079 @ 0.00049921 = 1.0379 BTC [-] [17:13]
mircea_popescu yeah. [17:13]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6478 @ 0.00049912 = 3.2333 BTC [+] [17:25]
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PsychoticBoy hi giga [17:41]
PsychoticBoy whats up with that mail I recieved [17:42]
PsychoticBoy You can just pay me without ID verification [17:42]
PsychoticBoy in short I will not send ID, proof of residence or anything [17:42]
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PsychoticBoy Is this a loophole not to pay back? [17:43]
gigavps hi PsychoticBoy [17:44]
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PsychoticBoy hi giga [17:44]
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mircea_popescu gigavps someone is asking for a nda from the lawyer [18:15]
mircea_popescu truely this is going well. [18:16]
mircea_popescu also, people know shit. [18:16]
gigavps i haven't been looking forward to this [18:16]
mircea_popescu how does a lawyer nda sound like ? [18:16]
mircea_popescu "as a lawyer, I hereby promise to be a lawyer and behave accordingly to the rules. if I don't, with or without this useless declaration I am still held liable" [18:17]
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pigeons "and if i i ever give advice like the law student nefario met in a sandwich shop, i will step down" [18:19]
mircea_popescu ya, that famous counsel still hath not answered. [18:19]
mircea_popescu PsychoticBoy seems to me more like the recognition of how fucked up things are than any sort of loophole. [18:21]
mircea_popescu probably an ultimately doomed but otherwise brave attempt to plug all loopholes. [18:21]
pigeons giga likely paid a lot for his counsel, so he's likely to follow it [18:22]
gigavps pigeons you still in town? [18:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20950 @ 0.00049844 = 10.4423 BTC [+] [18:22]
pigeons yes [18:22]
Ukto I concur, giga has or will be paying quite a bit for them to handle the volume [18:23]
mircea_popescu especially coupled with the insanity. [18:24]
mircea_popescu high volume of first timers. ouch. [18:24]
PsychoticBoy I will take ABM/PGM to a lawyer too, send info or never get paid mwuhahaha [18:24]
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mircea_popescu PsychoticBoy expect the laywer to want to be paid up front tho [18:27]
PsychoticBoy I go prodeo [18:27]
PsychoticBoy lol [18:27]
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mircea_popescu prodeo ? [18:28]
mircea_popescu pro Deo you mean, as in for god, as in, for free ? [18:29]
PsychoticBoy I can pay, thats not the point, Its the whole ¨its not my responsibility anymore go to my lawyer¨ thing that stings me [18:29]
PsychoticBoy yep thats what i mean ;) [18:29]
mircea_popescu well people will have to at the very least sign a renounciation of claim [18:29]
mircea_popescu the only way to handle that is through a lawyer [18:29]
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PsychoticBoy giga is off, probably got to hot under his feet [18:33]
PsychoticBoy So giga is #1 not to pay [18:34]
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mircea_popescu wasn't he about 50%+ of all volume anyway ? [18:35]
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Ukto he was the largest glbse asset [18:38]
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Diablo-D3 heh [18:50]
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smickles can someone take a look at my first paragraph here http://blog.smickles.com/bitcoin/the-ponzi-of-wikipedia-and-bitcoin/#comment-12 and tell me if i'm making sense, if I am, i will bring it to the discussion in the bitcoin wikipedia page [18:54]
mircea_popescu I think part of the problem is that we’re looking at it from two different viewpoints. I’m looking for what’s going to help the Wikipedia article, and others are looking for what’s going to help the subject itself, Bitcoin. [18:55]
mircea_popescu fuckwit [18:55]
mircea_popescu these idiots think this little trick of framing the discussion is such pure unadulterated genius [18:55]
mircea_popescu uh-oh, make way for the wikiretard framing the discussion team. [18:55]
smickles heh, so true [18:56]
mircea_popescu #1 reason nobody of any worth bothers with that spamsite. [18:56]
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Diablo-D3 http://imgur.com/r/WTF/crUO4 [19:17]
mircea_popescu lol kickass [19:21]
Ukto makes sense to me [19:21]
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kakobrekla reminds me of the limits of control [19:22]
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mircea_popescu so who was saying i'm in for a loads of pressure from the sec ? [20:01]
mircea_popescu http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/sec-rocked-by-lurid-sex-and-corruption-lawsuit-20121119 [20:01]
mircea_popescu seems MORE LIKE THE OTHER WAY AROUND [20:01]
mircea_popescu har har. [20:01]
smickles ha ha [20:03]
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smickles <@rg> but im going to go ahead and merge bitvps >> my new job << what does this mean for s.bvps shareholders? Will they be bought out? [20:28]
smickles mircea_popescu: ^ from #bitvps [20:28]
mircea_popescu um [20:29]
mircea_popescu well will they ? [20:29]
smickles I just asked it [20:29]
smickles rg was last active there at 5:35 utc (it's now 18:30) [20:30]
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sgornick > to think that only a few short months away everyone was pissing their pants thinking of the sec. [20:35]
sgornick "typical KickStarter deals won’t naturally transfer to equity crowdfunding and the vast majority of startup founders won’t receive any help at all from the JOBS Act" [20:35]
sgornick http://www.cringely.com/2012/11/17/jobs-act-crowdfunding-is-unlikely-to-help-most-startups [20:35]
sgornick i.e., lots of need for these, as we decide technology can enable what the law won't. [20:36]
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mircea_popescu sgornick there's some huge problems with funding start-ups via btc however. [21:02]
mircea_popescu btc being able to help is by no means a foregone conclusion [21:02]
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mircea_popescu smickles : "There were no "suspicious" motives involved here. I would have gladly thrown in MPEX had I remembered that it has BTC options available. That's it. I just overlooked you. I'm sorry. (And by the way it's fixed now)" [21:20]
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smickles mircea_popescu: heh, yeah. a part of me responded with BS, and another part wanted to respond with "well, I put it that way because it was just a little sensational" [21:23]
mircea_popescu your blogger career is starting pretty good if mag journalists are already apologizing to you [21:24]
mircea_popescu most bloggers had to wait years. [21:24]
mircea_popescu anyway, i think someone sorta-competent bought a chunk of bitfinex interest or some sort of deal [21:24]
mircea_popescu cause there's a sudden change in how they run, so. [21:24]
smickles according to my log, i started with about 100 'unique' visitors, and it has been doubling every day since [21:26]
PsychoticBoy gigavps << scammer tag request @ theymos [21:27]
mircea_popescu hahaha wd. [21:27]
PsychoticBoy yuuuuuuuuuuuuuup [21:27]
PsychoticBoy F him, he is a fussy P [21:27]
PsychoticBoy no lawyers.... just pay up dude [21:28]
smickles if the trend holds, in a month, the entire planet should be reading my blog [21:28]
PsychoticBoy he is even worse than nefario [21:28]
smickles < PsychoticBoy> gigavps << scammer tag request @ theymos [21:29]
smickles where :) [21:29]
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PsychoticBoy PM and as soon as he does nothing, public [21:29]
JWU42 PsychoticBoy: that seems a bit extreme [21:29]
smickles :o [21:29]
PsychoticBoy not extreme, a lawyer taking over<< thats extreme [21:30]
JWU42 So if YABMC were to follow a similar claims process then I egt a scammer tag too ;) [21:30]
JWU42 bad joke... [21:30]
PsychoticBoy He fed himself with my btc so now its time to pay [21:31]
PsychoticBoy yep, just pay up maybe even liquidate [21:31]
PsychoticBoy I have 300btc in yabmc and more than 500 btc in Giga [21:32]
PsychoticBoy He got the shareholders info so.... he can pay us [21:32]
PsychoticBoy Thats what I would do, PAY MY DEBT [21:33]
PsychoticBoy giga`s lawyer does not need my ID to pay me back so whats the point [21:34]
PsychoticBoy before asking a scammer tag i n public, I will make a thread in the staff forum and let the staff vote [21:34]
smickles heh, a legal scam [21:36]
PsychoticBoy thats what i think, He covers his ass and does not pay shit, << scammer action [21:36]
dub hahah http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=243091&q=hi&newref=1 [21:37]
dub that is fucking gold [21:37]
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PsychoticBoy lol major laugh [21:38]
PsychoticBoy giga is ripping ppl off [21:39]
PsychoticBoy hmmmnz should not be long till someone hires a hitman on tor [21:40]
PsychoticBoy 2K btc for hitman: Yuuuuuuuuuuup [21:40]
PsychoticBoy this kinda scamming action makes my blood boil [21:41]
dub clearly [21:41]
smickles lol@that misterbigg guy [21:41]
smickles "What I don't understand is why S.DICE is going to IPO on this penny-ante exchange instead of GLBSE. I think that Mr. E.V.'s ideological fetishes might be putting the business sensibilities in the back seat. Which is dangerous for investors." [21:42]
PsychoticBoy Still hoping Gigavps will make up his mind and just pay divs and final buyback to our addresses [21:43]
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mircea_popescu smickles teh funs of history. [21:48]
mircea_popescu btc is worth it just for that [21:48]
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smickles !ticker s.dice [21:51]
assbot [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.00309664 / 0.00323838 / 0.00339944 (33993 shares, 110.08 BTC), 30day: 0.00180002 / 0.00332148 / 0.0034 (903448 shares, 3,000.79 BTC) [21:51]
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smickles it hit .0034 in the past 30 days, eh? [21:51]
smickles that may happen again soon [21:51]
mircea_popescu 3399 is not so far off anyway [21:52]
mircea_popescu it almost hit it today in that sense [21:52]
mircea_popescu PsychoticBoy i'll bet you a btc he won't. [21:53]
PsychoticBoy I think so too mircea [21:54]
PsychoticBoy but hope... [21:54]
mircea_popescu yeah [21:54]
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mircea_popescu there is a funny aspect of the entire glbse thing. the mylawyr people specialise in : [22:04]
mircea_popescu Drug Possession [22:04]
mircea_popescu Drug Trafficking [22:04]
mircea_popescu Marijuana Cultivation [22:04]
mircea_popescu DUI [22:04]
mircea_popescu i guess there's White Collar Crimes in there too. [22:05]
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mircea_popescu GLBSE'D Definition: You invest coins in a bitcoin project and that project uses your coins to hire a lawyer who proceeds to use legal avenues to make it practically impossible you will get your bitcoins back. [22:52]
mircea_popescu pity the glbbq name is too long and so it'll never take [22:52]
Diablo-D3 heh [22:54]
matthewh3 I'm moving RSM to - https://btct.co - they email the asset issuer a full shareholders list every twelve hours. So no problem if the exchange ever goes dark. There based in Belize and have a lawyer. [22:58]
mircea_popescu what happens if you lose the email box/someone jacks it ? [22:59]
matthewh3 I use Gmail with a very secure password. [23:02]
Diablo-D3 no 2fa? [23:02]
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smickles Update on the S.DICE month >> http://blog.smickles.com/bitcoin/bitcoin-finance/a-good-month-for-s-dice-shareholders-in-the-making/?preview=true&preview_id=46&preview_nonce=ddeb71c330#update_23nov12 [23:02]
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mircea_popescu smickles what's the figure ? [23:03]
mircea_popescu matthewh3 smpt is plaintext and trivial to sniff. [23:04]
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matthewh3 but when I log-in its HTTPS so my password is safe. [23:06]
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mircea_popescu that part is true. [23:06]
mircea_popescu "the only thing that comes up for "Christmas" on bitmit is a Canadian silver coin." [23:07]
mircea_popescu jesus fuck, what is the point of making a black friday event [23:07]
mircea_popescu if then xmas is going to plow right into your nude ass ? [23:07]
matthewh3 plus I'd only ever use a Windoze PC that is locked down like in a library. [23:07]
mircea_popescu who did this! has to be fired! [23:07]
gigavps good afternoon [23:07]
mircea_popescu heya. [23:07]
gigavps PsychoticBoy if you would like to say things about me, say them when I'm here [23:08]
smickles mircea_popescu: 0.9435613% [23:08]
mircea_popescu smickles aww going down!1 [23:08]
smickles up from the previous ~.8% tho [23:08]
smickles and ~.6% before that [23:09]
smickles some guy doing a martingale got lucky, then lost it [23:09]
smickles he was braggin' about it too [23:09]
smickles (but is silent nao) [23:09]
mircea_popescu lol [23:09]
mircea_popescu gambler's silence [23:10]
gigavps gamblers only talk when they win [23:10]
smickles funny thing too: [23:10]
mircea_popescu ya but they talk loud enough then for both cases. [23:10]
smickles he hawa all coy, like, "i won't tell you how I was betting" [23:10]
smickles then dooglas posted a tx log, and was liek " 'tis you bro" [23:11]
mircea_popescu lol [23:11]
smickles Nice thing, that blockchain [23:11]
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smickles so, it has come to this http://www.encyclopediabitcoinica.com/wiki/GIGAMINING [23:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7631 @ 0.0005031 = 3.8392 BTC [-] [23:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9794 @ 0.0005025 = 4.9215 BTC [-] [23:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20375 @ 0.00049745 = 10.1355 BTC [-] [23:17]
mircea_popescu http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=S.MPOE [23:28]
mircea_popescu i wonder if that could work as an entropy source [23:28]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2925 @ 0.00049745 = 1.455 BTC [-] [23:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00049679 = 8.9919 BTC [-] [23:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 375 @ 0.00049566 = 0.1859 BTC [-] [23:33]
PsychoticBoy gigavps, should I copy paste all I said [23:35]
PsychoticBoy You re up for scammer tag, since you have shareholders data and thus are able to pay up [23:36]
PsychoticBoy and after that you probably see the same future as trendon shavers [23:37]
PsychoticBoy hunted [23:37]
gigavps lol [23:37]
gigavps come and get me [23:37]
gigavps i am trying to pay people legally [23:37]
PsychoticBoy so best thing is to just pay to the addresses in the info you got from glbse [23:37]
gigavps thanks for the advice [23:38]
PsychoticBoy yes and obtained most funds from illigal activities [23:38]
PsychoticBoy stealing atm [23:38]
PsychoticBoy glbse wasnt sober either [23:38]
gigavps i'm sorry you feel this way [23:38]
PsychoticBoy no you are tricking ppl with your unsigned lawyer note [23:39]
PsychoticBoy I can pay 2k on tor to hunt you down but I wont [23:39]
PsychoticBoy I wait till you get back to your senses and pay just like its meant to be [23:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7330 @ 0.00050282 = 3.6857 BTC [+] [23:40]
PsychoticBoy at this point no one in the right mind would do all 6 points mentiont in the mail [23:41]
gigavps why not? [23:42]
PsychoticBoy probably point 6 is impossible so there you go [23:42]
gigavps why is it impossible? [23:42]
gigavps should be pretty easy to write a note that said you own the bonds and the bitcoin addy [23:42]
gigavps and have it notoried [23:43]
smickles inb4 scan and email [23:43]
PsychoticBoy because it requires notoried, would cost you lots of euro`s [23:43]
PsychoticBoy no one would do that [23:44]
PsychoticBoy and you know it [23:44]
gigavps well, that is your assumption [23:44]
smickles wow, notorizing is expensive in europe? [23:44]
PsychoticBoy so made my point [23:44]
gigavps many people have already submitted the info [23:44]
smickles it's cheap to free in 'merica [23:44]
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smickles i know a few accountants who offer it at no charge [23:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4920 @ 0.00050282 = 2.4739 BTC [+] [23:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25580 @ 0.00050703 = 12.9698 BTC [+] [23:45]
gigavps PsychoticBoy tbe only person keeping you from making the claim is you [23:45]
PsychoticBoy I will let the staff of bitcointalk vote for you to be marked as scammer before making a public scammer tag request, cause these requirements make no sense at all [23:45]
PsychoticBoy I did not need an ID to buy from you so I wont need it now [23:46]
PsychoticBoy so you took my money and now walks unless..... strange [23:46]
smickles heh, tell that to mtgox when you hit their aml limits [23:47]
jcpham hello internet [23:47]
jcpham how are you today? [23:47]
smickles phamtastic [23:47]
jcpham super neat [23:47]
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jcpham gigavpa i owned like over 9000 gigamining bonds [23:49]
jcpham can i tera-mine yet? [23:49]
gigavps gotta run, bbiab [23:51]
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PsychoticBoy scammy fuck leaves again [23:51]
jcpham i doubt gigavps is scammy [23:52]
jcpham but what do i know [23:52]
PsychoticBoy I am almost at the point to invest another 2k btc in giga [23:54]
PsychoticBoy but only not in his bonds [23:54]
PsychoticBoy ;) [23:54]
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