Forum logs for 23 Apr 2013

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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punkman wonder how much BFL is payinf for all their ads, just saw this on adwords: http://www.butterflylabs.com/landing/landing-aw.php [00:01]
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mircea_popescu punkman the average scam pays between 1/3 and 1/2 of all net revenuye for advertising [00:04]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3025 BTC [-] [00:06]
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mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=179098.msg1914050#msg1914050 [00:09]
mircea_popescu lol [00:09]
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mod6 haha jeeze. it makes my eyes bleed some of the stuff i read on there on a daily basis. [00:11]
mircea_popescu she must have misunderstood his point :D [00:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4550 @ 0.00288767 = 13.1389 BTC [-] [00:13]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [-] [00:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.3 = 0.6 BTC [-] [00:16]
Diablo-D3 ;;ticker [00:16]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 126.30002, Best ask: 126.49000, Bid-ask spread: 0.18998, Last trade: 126.30001, 24 hour volume: 65465.64089159, 24 hour low: 115.20000, 24 hour high: 127.00000, 24 hour vwap: 122.30066 [00:16]
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MJR_ mod6: whats up! [00:34]
MJR_ do you know the largest diff jump that has happened so far this year? [00:34]
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mod6 oh hai! well looks like there was this: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/ [00:41]
mod6 err: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-ever.png [00:41]
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mod6 this one makes me really think hard: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-ever.png [00:42]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2478 @ 0.00068402 = 1.695 BTC [+] [00:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7672 @ 0.00069088 = 5.3004 BTC [+] [00:47]
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mod6 i'm looking at a near ~35% jump in difficulty in around the 23rd of March (if im looking at it correctly): http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-10k.png [00:50]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.17681 BTC [+] [00:55]
mod6 ;;bc,estimate [00:57]
gribble Error: "bc,estimate" is not a valid command. [00:57]
mod6 bah [00:57]
mod6 ;;bc,stats [00:58]
gribble Current Blocks: 232642 | Current Difficulty: 8974296.01488785 | Next Difficulty At Block: 233855 | Next Difficulty In: 1213 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 17 hours, 25 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 9617358.12743 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.1656 [00:58]
dub http://vimeo.com/64582799 [01:03]
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mod6 so everyone mines btcguild now or what? [01:30]
mod6 oh i guess this graph in thumbnail form looked like a lot closer to 50%: http://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=24hrs [01:31]
mod6 http://imgur.com/d9jpLqY [01:32]
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kakobrekla i cant belive im saying this but theres space for new pools [01:35]
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Doffx That would be tough to do kakobrekla, this community trusts no one and rightfully so not to mention all the pools seem to go bankrupt [01:36]
Doffx They would also need to offer something new and exciting to get people to move [01:36]
kakobrekla nah, all you need is a nice site and a nice name like kakobrekla [01:36]
Doffx Although I do agree it seems like we need some more new choices [01:36]
Doffx hehe , are you making a pool? [01:37]
kakobrekla look at deepbit [01:37]
kakobrekla stuck in 1988 [01:37]
Doffx It looks like its finally dying off [01:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00067618 = 1.42 BTC [-] [01:38]
mircea_popescu i hope all pools go bankrupt tbh [01:38]
kakobrekla miners are becoming the apple idiots [01:38]
ThickAsThieves kako, if you make an ltc pool i'd move there :) [01:38]
kakobrekla they are buying hashers in nice cases and shit [01:38]
kakobrekla they want preety charts and shit like dat [01:38]
Doffx I dont care what it looks like, I just want TH speed [01:39]
kakobrekla im not making any pool, just saying [01:39]
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kakobrekla mircea_popescu why the hate [01:39]
ThickAsThieves he prefers people solo mine? [01:40]
mircea_popescu i don't like pools because basically they fuck up the entire point of mining [01:40]
mircea_popescu that said obviously they're unavoidable. [01:40]
kakobrekla it aint all bad, if no pools would be online [01:41]
kakobrekla hashrate would be much lower [01:41]
mircea_popescu how do you figure ? [01:41]
kakobrekla cause a ton of people wouldnt mine under solo conditions [01:41]
mircea_popescu this is an interesting point [01:42]
Doffx I dunno p2pool seemed good but no one uses it, decentralized mining. [01:42]
kakobrekla same problem as with gox [01:42]
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kakobrekla you need to spread the points [01:42]
mircea_popescu Doffx i wonder why that is. [01:42]
kakobrekla you dont need 100k , but 5 is not enough [01:42]
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Doffx I used it but it felt like I was losing BTC doing so, there were so many other options that made me slight more [01:43]
mircea_popescu cause of stales ? [01:43]
Doffx err slightly more, my reason was well.. I am greedy to a point? [01:43]
kakobrekla basically the new protocol from Luke-Jr fucked it all up [01:44]
kakobrekla if we would be stuck with getwork [01:44]
kakobrekla asic would have to run solos [01:44]
kakobrekla now they are pooling too [01:44]
Doffx p2pool seemed to be disliked by a lot of the developer types for some reason [01:45]
Doffx Kano didn’t like it either. [01:45]
mircea_popescu what's luke to do with that ?! [01:45]
Luke-Jr kakobrekla: don't be stupid [01:45]
kakobrekla its what i do! [01:45]
Luke-Jr kakobrekla: I intentionally designed the new protocol so that it SOLVED the pooled mining centralization problem [01:45]
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kakobrekla by pluging asics in a pool? [01:46]
kakobrekla good job! [01:46]
Luke-Jr kakobrekla: by taking the blind control away from pools [01:46]
Luke-Jr putting it back with the miners [01:46]
Doffx I haven’t seen anything about this new protocol, is there a post about it someplace? [01:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00069088 = 4.4562 BTC [+] [01:46]
Luke-Jr https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Getblocktemplate [01:46]
Doffx Thanks. [01:47]
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kakobrekla im sure the reason btcguild is trying to get rid of miners is because its all safe and good [01:47]
mircea_popescu how is gbt new even [01:47]
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kakobrekla well "new" [01:47]
Luke-Jr kakobrekla: BTCGuild/slush made their own protocol which un-solved the problem [01:47]
kakobrekla its newer than getwork [01:47]
kakobrekla ah [01:47]
Luke-Jr kakobrekla: they apparently WANT centralization [01:47]
kakobrekla yours was rejected [01:47]
mircea_popescu anyway, stratum seems pretty much the standard. [01:47]
Luke-Jr kakobrekla: not really, just by the big centralized pools [01:48]
mircea_popescu gbt didn't manage to get much traction iirc. [01:48]
kakobrekla so, rejected. [01:48]
Luke-Jr kakobrekla: most of the smaller pools support GBT [01:48]
kakobrekla omg. [01:48]
Luke-Jr hopefully more ASIC miners will get off centralized pools [01:48]
Luke-Jr no clue why they're all going onto BTCGuild [01:48]
kakobrekla to help him out cause of hack [01:49]
Luke-Jr … [01:49]
Luke-Jr are you confusing BTCG vs ozcoin? [01:49]
dub its because menstruation is murder [01:49]
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kakobrekla guild lost coins [01:50]
kakobrekla not long ago [01:50]
kakobrekla ah that was split + hack or something [01:50]
kakobrekla no [01:50]
Luke-Jr … [01:50]
kakobrekla split + lameness [01:50]
mircea_popescu anyhway. getwork was a pos. [01:50]
kakobrekla that was it [01:50]
mircea_popescu no way anyone was sticking with it. [01:50]
Luke-Jr kakobrekla: they lost nothing from the split, Gavin gave them what they would have mined [01:50]
Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: tell Tycho/Deepbit [01:51]
kakobrekla dafuck [01:51]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 9 @ 0.01001 = 0.0901 BTC [+] [01:51]
Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: he still doesn't support rollntime [01:51]
kakobrekla hey gavin i lost 100k ... can i has? [01:51]
mircea_popescu Luke-Jr deepbit doesn't want to upgrade because generally speaking updates are also shit. [01:51]
Luke-Jr kakobrekla: BTCGuild *did* lose a bit when they upgraded to 0.8 because the admin wasn't paying attention to what he was doing [01:51]
ThickAsThieves BTCG lost coins by mistake [01:51]
ThickAsThieves no hack [01:51]
Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: they don't have to upgrade to use rollntime [01:51]
mircea_popescu they're on 3.4 or some shit [01:52]
Luke-Jr 0.3.21 [01:52]
mircea_popescu 3.2 mk [01:52]
Luke-Jr but rollntime isn't done at bitcoind, it's done at the poolserver [01:52]
mircea_popescu ya but there's somesort of conflict or something [01:53]
Doffx What happens if someone decided to plop 200+ GH worth of Asic on Deepbit [01:53]
Doffx does it go boom? [01:53]
Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: nope [01:53]
Luke-Jr Doffx: you can't even put 20 Gh/s of GPUs without it going boom [01:53]
ThickAsThieves doffx, i assume you eant TH [01:53]
ThickAsThieves oh deepbit, nvm [01:53]
Doffx No Gh, mainly because I know they only really work with Stratum pools [01:53]
Doffx Because of how fast they getwork I think [01:54]
Luke-Jr Doffx: and GBT [01:54]
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Doffx I see that after reading the wiki [01:54]
Doffx GBT has been around a long time, even when I started 2 years ago [01:54]
mircea_popescu ya it's "new" [01:54]
Luke-Jr not that long lol [01:54]
Luke-Jr Created: 28-02-2012 [01:55]
Doffx I thought I remember seeing it way back I am probably wrong mainly because this is the first time I understood what it even meant. [01:55]
Doffx Oh so little over a year [01:55]
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mircea_popescu so basically other than eclipse who exactly even uses gbt ? [01:55]
Luke-Jr https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Getblocktemplate#For_miners [01:56]
Doffx Bitminter, elegius [01:56]
Doffx eligius too [01:56]
kakobrekla so the pool can still feed you template from a forked chain [01:56]
kakobrekla right [01:56]
ThickAsThieves ;;nethash [01:56]
gribble 71767.6896568 [01:56]
Doffx Wow 71 [01:56]
ThickAsThieves ;;estimate [01:56]
gribble Next difficulty estimate | 9612397.38912 based on data since last change | 10025677.4438 based on data for last three days [01:56]
ThickAsThieves Luke-Jr, which asic companies are hashing on the side? [01:57]
mircea_popescu a ok bitminter. [01:57]
Luke-Jr ThickAsThieves: Avalon and ASICMiner at least [01:57]
kakobrekla Luke-Jr: so the pool can still feed you template from a forked chain? [01:57]
Luke-Jr BFL is apparently doing a "demo" jalapeno [01:57]
Luke-Jr kakobrekla: could; miners are expected to be smart and detect such things [01:58]
Luke-Jr kakobrekla: bitcoind and p2pool can feed you a forked template too [01:58]
kakobrekla so you solved nothing. [01:58]
Luke-Jr pools no longer can do nasty stuff behind miners' backs [01:59]
Luke-Jr that was the problem all along [01:59]
Doffx I didnt even know about Bitpenny [01:59]
Luke-Jr nobody did :/ [02:01]
Luke-Jr apparently they're now centralizing their pool and going stratum-only :/ [02:01]
mircea_popescu anyone can get http://markets.blockchain.info/ ? [02:01]
pizzaman1337 I can't [02:02]
TomServo same [02:02]
mircea_popescu hm [02:03]
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Doffx I dont think most miner even know what GBT is. [02:04]
bowjob guys anyone recognized the s/s [02:04]
Doffx Does p2pool even work with Asics? [02:04]
bowjob http://i.imgur.com/DRb5Ydu.png [02:04]
bowjob which site is the account from [02:05]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.00385 = 0.0077 BTC [+] [02:05]
Luke-Jr Doffx: using GBT doesn't require any extra effort from the miners like stratum does :p [02:06]
Doffx That looks like some sort of custom mining app, I have never seen that before and I think I have tried just about every pool [02:06]
ThickAsThieves thats 50BTC's app [02:06]
ThickAsThieves in that jpg [02:06]
mircea_popescu 50btc lol k [02:06]
bowjob whats the p for [02:06]
mod6 ya! [02:06]
bowjob this kid was claiming he mined it all on 1 day [02:06]
bowjob lol [02:06]
Doffx Lol, you know what, I have never used 50btc [02:07]
ThickAsThieves P must be like PPCoin or whatever [02:07]
mod6 ah [02:07]
Doffx Well, Luke-Jr seems like it makes sense to use, however you would somehow need to convince the miners to use it. [02:07]
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Doffx Forcing the pools would also be difficult, not sure why they decided to use Stratum however [02:08]
Luke-Jr Doffx: anyone mining with BFGMiner will automatically use GBT if the pool supports it (unless they specifically set stratum) [02:08]
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mircea_popescu ya but nobody mines with bfgminer [02:08]
Doffx That's good to know. [02:08]
Doffx I would use it if he could figure out why I lose 800 MH over time with my Cainsmore :P [02:09]
Luke-Jr Doffx: because the freq drops? [02:09]
Doffx Why though, it doesent drop in MPBM, it stays the same indefinitely as far as I can tell. [02:10]
mircea_popescu in other centralisation news, http://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=24hrs [02:10]
mircea_popescu btc + slush just enough over 50% [02:10]
Luke-Jr Doffx: drops are triggered by hw errors usually [02:10]
Luke-Jr Doffx: maybe the balance is off [02:11]
Doffx I seem to get more in Bfgminer then [02:11]
Doffx the clocks stablize in MPBM and then never change once they reach the spot they like [02:11]
ThickAsThieves wtf is wrong with gox today anyway [02:11]
ThickAsThieves only API trades alloweD? [02:11]
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Doffx I wish I was able to help you more Luke-Jr but I honestly dont understand it. [02:12]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves next they implement gpg [02:13]
ThickAsThieves fat chance [02:13]
ThickAsThieves wait, he is fat [02:13]
ThickAsThieves hmm [02:13]
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thestringpuller ;;ticker [02:18]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 125.74001, Best ask: 126.43000, Bid-ask spread: 0.68999, Last trade: 126.43000, 24 hour volume: 63681.08188621, 24 hour low: 115.20000, 24 hour high: 127.30000, 24 hour vwap: 122.64010 [02:18]
thestringpuller it aint a thing if it aint got that swing [02:18]
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thestringpuller ls [02:26]
kakobrekla . [02:27]
kakobrekla .. [02:27]
Doffx ls -a [02:27]
kakobrekla yeah yeah [02:28]
kakobrekla -la accually. [02:28]
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Doffx or -lah so we can see the symlinks? [02:32]
dub h makes size human readable [02:33]
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mircea_popescu -latex so it's all sexy smooth. [02:34]
kakobrekla omg [02:38]
kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=174620.msg1911371#msg1911371 [02:38]
kakobrekla what is this indian malarkey, its missing skateboards [02:38]
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mircea_popescu basically the guy is daydreaming. [02:40]
mircea_popescu kids often do this, "what if i were the emperor of Rome" or "what if i was the only person in town" etc. [02:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00067915 = 18.6766 BTC [-] [02:46]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 5 @ 0.009911 = 0.0496 BTC [-] [02:48]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.009911 BTC [-] [02:48]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 16 @ 0.00991 = 0.1586 BTC [-] [02:48]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 3 @ 0.009901 = 0.0297 BTC [-] [02:48]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 20 @ 0.0099 = 0.198 BTC [-] [02:48]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00989 BTC [-] [02:48]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00986 BTC [-] [02:48]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00986 BTC [-] [02:48]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 4 @ 0.009855 = 0.0394 BTC [-] [02:48]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 4 @ 0.0098 = 0.0392 BTC [-] [02:48]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 6 @ 0.0098 = 0.0588 BTC [-] [02:48]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 633 @ 0.00976 = 6.1781 BTC [-] [02:49]
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kakobrekla this is getting hilarious https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=183088.0 [03:00]
kakobrekla Starting a trade site? > I have two domains available to me, so it only makes sense to use one for trading. [03:00]
kakobrekla the logic. [03:00]
copumpkin makes perfect sense to me [03:01]
ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=181982.0 [03:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.81999999 BTC [+] [03:11]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136667606120.jpg [03:15]
mircea_popescu there's a deluge of idiots [03:15]
taub who are you responding to? [03:21]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.1301 BTC [-] [03:21]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.127175 BTC [-] [03:21]
mircea_popescu http://www.247btc.com/bitcoins/134/how-i-would-manipulate-the-bitcoin-exchange-market-and-how-a-discrete-double-auction-could-stop-me/#comment-142 [03:22]
mircea_popescu o hey, the 140th comment on his site. go me. [03:22]
taub ty [03:22]
taub it's a stupid suggestion of course [03:22]
taub lets make market slow and inefficient [03:23]
taub that makes it better [03:23]
mircea_popescu that's not even it. [03:23]
mircea_popescu what offends me is this "i am a teenage cock with no experience whatsoever [03:23]
mircea_popescu therefore let me tell you how things are and how'd they be better" [03:23]
mircea_popescu then proceeds to describe the cubical red sky [03:23]
taub =D [03:23]
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mircea_popescu who the fuck even heard of exchange settling a 80 bid and 90 ask at 85 ?! [03:24]
mircea_popescu not even him. but that's okay cause he goes back and puts an "usually" in paranthesis there. problem fixed. [03:24]
mircea_popescu fucking taken out and shot ffs. [03:24]
taub well that actually happens [03:25]
taub opening acutions right before the market opens [03:25]
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taub oh well okay the prices would have to intersect [03:25]
mircea_popescu it almost never happens. [03:25]
mircea_popescu even if it's a situation of loaded book, they're settled by fixing [03:25]
mircea_popescu which means volume matters too [03:25]
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mircea_popescu it's just... superficial nonsense of cluelessness [03:26]
taub http://www.nyse.com/equities/nysearcaequities/1157623605117.html [03:27]
mircea_popescu "The Opening Auction will occur at the Indicative Match Price — the price at which the maximum volume of orders is executable at the time of the auction" [03:28]
mircea_popescu you know ? volume matters too. it ain't 85. [03:28]
taub yea [03:28]
mircea_popescu this is what i'm saying, things are what they are not what some dood gleaned from 15 minutes of skimming wikipedia. [03:29]
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mircea_popescu nice link tho [03:31]
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taub ;;ticker [03:32]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 128.79001, Best ask: 128.59143, Bid-ask spread: -0.19858, Last trade: 128.99990, 24 hour volume: 60612.58053853, 24 hour low: 119.21210, 24 hour high: 128.89000, 24 hour vwap: 123.57448 [03:32]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.11101 BTC [-] [03:49]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.11 = 3.33 BTC [-] [03:49]
pgp2 hey mp, why do you prefer to decay the weight (or allow originator to set the decay) for bitbet? I've been doing some analysis and it really creates a heavy skews favoring early betting. [03:53]
mircea_popescu early betting bets blind [03:54]
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pgp2 I get that, but decaying by 5 orders of magnitude seems extreme [03:56]
mircea_popescu only 2 in any practical sense [03:56]
pgp2 right, but still... there are open bets where there's like -40% EV - people stop betting... [03:57]
mircea_popescu link one ? [03:57]
pgp2 http://bitbet.us/bet/329/btc-network-difficulty-tops-10-million-by-end/ [03:58]
mircea_popescu which side is -40 EV ? [03:59]
pgp2 EV on this one is -44% [03:59]
pgp2 collectively [03:59]
pgp2 assume I bet on both sides [03:59]
mircea_popescu that makes no sense. [03:59]
mircea_popescu o, you mean jointly. [03:59]
pgp2 yes [04:00]
pgp2 that how you compute EV [04:00]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.99* 44.69/89.87 * 0.06753 + .99 [04:00]
gribble 1.02324509339 [04:00]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.99* 89.87/44.69 * 0.06753 + .99 [04:00]
gribble 1.12444242311 [04:00]
mircea_popescu seems it's ~7% ev [04:01]
pgp2 no [04:01]
mircea_popescu a nm it's by the weight pools [04:01]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.99* 89.87* ( 6753/5116522) + .99 [04:02]
gribble 1.10742804759 [04:02]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.99* 44.69* ( 6753/2369410) + .99 [04:02]
gribble 1.11609622408 [04:02]
mircea_popescu heh. 11% ? [04:03]
pgp2 if I bet 1 on yes AND on no I will win either 1.05 or 1.26 [04:03]
mircea_popescu did i get it backwards still ? [04:04]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.99* 44.69* ( 6753/5116522) + .99 [04:04]
gribble 1.04839389615 [04:04]
pgp2 so I bet 2 BTC to return either 1.05 or 1.26 [04:04]
pgp2 ~40% [04:04]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.99* 89.87* ( 6753/2369410) + .99 [04:04]
gribble 1.24357502032 [04:04]
mircea_popescu i get 1.04 and 1.24 must be you made your calc at earlier weight ? [04:05]
pgp2 close enough [04:05]
mircea_popescu alrgiht so we have confirmation on the numbers at least. [04:05]
kakobrekla lol [04:05]
mircea_popescu the idea is to marketmake early not late. [04:05]
pgp2 I bet 2 to win EITHER 1.04 OR 1.24 [04:05]
mircea_popescu in this case, ~94% of the time for this bet is past. [04:05]
pgp2 so I worked out a close appoximation for EV [04:06]
mircea_popescu yea [04:06]
pgp2 if you look at avg weight (total weight / total bets) [04:06]
pgp2 then EV = (CurrentWeight - AvgWeight)/(2 * AvgWeight) - .01 [04:07]
pgp2 for small bets relative to the whole [04:07]
mircea_popescu lemme do the math for this [04:08]
pgp2 pretty sure it's right [04:09]
mircea_popescu i'm getting [04:11]
mircea_popescu 0.2475 * curr_weight * (no_pool/yes_weight + yes_pool/no_weight) + .495 [04:11]
kakobrekla wheres the sqrt(log()) [04:11]
mircea_popescu the good news being that you're guaranteed half your money back no matter what [04:12]
mircea_popescu which makes this eerly familiar to mpoe bond [04:12]
pgp2 lol [04:12]
mircea_popescu anyway. there's incentive for you to do this type of bet (ie, a marketmaking bet) early in the bet's life. [04:13]
mircea_popescu this is deliberate, as it helps the casual player. [04:14]
mircea_popescu basically you can make a little % by financing the odds. so you can pretty much run a line bookie thing on top of bitbet. [04:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00068694 = 6.1138 BTC [+] [04:14]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [+] [04:14]
pgp2 exactly... [04:15]
pgp2 just wanted to confirm the analysis [04:15]
mircea_popescu i think it's confirmed [04:15]
pgp2 for popular bets the it can be an significant incentive [04:16]
mircea_popescu well ideally we want popular bets anyhow. [04:16]
mircea_popescu rather than clutter. [04:16]
pgp2 I was surprised, though, at just how BAD the odds can get. Perhaps you should consider a minimum decay value [04:17]
mircea_popescu i wouldn't say the odds are bad. [04:17]
mircea_popescu why would you be betting both sides 95% of the time in ? [04:17]
mircea_popescu the fact that either side is still +EV seems pretty good to me. means if you have a conviction you can still take a side. [04:17]
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pgp2 at 10,000 weight with pool average of 50,000... that's terrible EV... The pool should be closed or EV disclosed... [04:18]
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pgp2 just saying that maybe a decay minimum of 20,000 would be appropriate... [04:19]
pgp2 the problem, ultimately, will be PR. As more people bet, others will come to the same conclusions - people will talk shit about bitbet and you didn't even get to benefit from any of that negative EV... [04:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00069088 = 2.5908 BTC [+] [04:21]
mircea_popescu but listen, on one hand this is disclosed [04:24]
mircea_popescu ie, bet says what your wright is, and what the minimum is [04:24]
mircea_popescu on the other, it's fully setable, min can be 100k or anything down to 1 [04:24]
pgp2 yes, but could be a bit more transparent - i found it confusing at first. [04:28]
pgp2 I know that it's settable, just suggesting a firm minimum so that EV can never get to far out of whack. [04:29]
pgp2 like maybe display average pool weight - stuff so they can compute something round in their head and not have to resort to a calculator [04:33]
pgp2 w/e just a suggestion [04:33]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [+] [04:34]
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kakobrekla smth in that sense will be added in teh new interface [04:34]
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kakobrekla not sure if avg pool weight will help avg user though [04:35]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.191 = 1.337 BTC [+] [04:35]
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assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 8 @ 0.1982 = 1.5856 BTC [+] [04:36]
pgp2 then compute the current payout percentages on both side, or somthing - I really think that it would help [04:36]
pgp2 in getting more people to bet - I think that the complexity is a barrier to new users... [04:38]
pgp2 ;;stats [04:39]
gribble I have 18 registered users with 23 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. [04:39]
pgp2 ;;bc,stats [04:39]
pgp2 ;;bc,stats [04:39]
gribble Current Blocks: 232668 | Current Difficulty: 8974296.01488785 | Next Difficulty At Block: 233855 | Next Difficulty In: 1187 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 19 hours, 25 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 9648500.29011 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.51261 [04:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [+] [04:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.44999998 = 2.25 BTC [-] [04:42]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/403/bitcoin-at-420-on-or-before-4-20/ [04:53]
mircea_popescu the comments on this bet are so fucking funny. [04:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.82 BTC [+] [04:59]
kakobrekla hehe [04:59]
kakobrekla im suprised by the lack of trolls and spam [04:59]
mircea_popescu ya, 100% millitant nonsense so far. [04:59]
kakobrekla that static captcha test must have worked [04:59]
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kakobrekla i mean there is no "PENIS" and "VAGINA" to be seen [05:00]
kakobrekla which is nice [05:00]
kakobrekla (i was kinda expecting that) [05:01]
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dub PENISVAGINA [05:07]
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Bugpowder Grasshopper…. [05:24]
Bugpowder http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoxiK7K28PU&feature=youtu.be [05:24]
dub asphixywanker [05:26]
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Bugpowder can't make the damn this play [05:26]
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mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/bitbet-is-quite-the-lulzmine/ [05:32]
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Bugpowder what the actual fuck [05:37]
Bugpowder cannot be this stupid [05:37]
mircea_popescu yes. [05:37]
mircea_popescu yes can. [05:38]
Bugpowder this is youtube comment level stupid [05:38]
mircea_popescu only 70% [05:38]
Bugpowder cry the beloved bitcoin [05:38]
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mircea_popescu Μῆνιν ἄειδε, θεὰ, Πηληϊάδεω Ἀχιλῆος [05:40]
joecool oh look, runes [05:40]
mircea_popescu lol [05:40]
kakobrekla well, i could do MCIX - cos(1) [05:40]
kakobrekla eh cos 0 [05:41]
mircea_popescu thea is, of course, goddess [05:41]
mircea_popescu aeide would be some sort of praise, tell the story of, [05:42]
mircea_popescu canonically translated as "sing" in thsi context. [05:42]
mircea_popescu which is, of course, "sing o goddess the anger of achilles" [05:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 7 @ 1.4213 = 9.9491 BTC [+] [05:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 20 @ 0.46999998 = 9.4 BTC [+] [05:46]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [11:32]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 127.50000, Best ask: 127.70000, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 127.50000, 24 hour volume: 63794.59686465, 24 hour low: 120.00000, 24 hour high: 129.20000, 24 hour vwap: 125.07695 [11:32]
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bitesak ;;bids 0 [11:38]
gribble There are currently 32795971 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 22394946.7165 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0123 seconds [11:38]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4962 @ 0.00070888 = 3.5175 BTC [+] [11:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11148 @ 0.00071245 = 7.9424 BTC [+] [11:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.000709 = 8.6144 BTC [-] [11:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6890 @ 0.00072 = 4.9608 BTC [+] [11:57]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00072 = 11.736 BTC [+] [12:25]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1810 @ 0.00072 = 1.3032 BTC [+] [12:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8190 @ 0.00073 = 5.9787 BTC [+] [12:27]
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zebedee_ mircea_popescu: I assume weight decay is linear on BitBet. Do you have any reason that's the most optimal curve to encourage early bets? Personally, I doubt it. [12:39]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.14001 BTC [+] [12:39]
zebedee_ any reason to believe [12:39]
mircea_popescu zebedee_ i doubt it too. the original plan was to allow curve definition at bet introduction [12:39]
mircea_popescu however we couldn't find a way that was both intuitive for non-math people to specify and practicable in a web interface. [12:40]
zebedee_ Something like e^-x is probably more appropriate. [12:40]
zebedee_ Yeah [12:40]
mircea_popescu can you prove e^-x is better ? [12:40]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.14 = 2.28 BTC [-] [12:40]
mircea_popescu can you prove there exists some manner to select the better curve ? [12:40]
zebedee_ It just weights earlier bets more than linearly. Just a guess. [12:40]
mircea_popescu people kinda complain about too much weight for early bets tho [12:40]
zebedee_ Those that weight until the last moment to bet HUGE on a near-certain outcome? We can ignore them. [12:41]
zebedee_ Perhaps. [12:41]
mircea_popescu don't get me wroing, the question ios a very good one [12:41]
zebedee_ s/wait/weight/ sigh. [12:41]
mircea_popescu just, it needs some serious address. [12:41]
mircea_popescu if you review closed bets, the system as it is works superbly to discourage the tail betting. [12:41]
zebedee_ Agreed. Room for innovation! BoB is linear too I think. [12:41]
zebedee_ I like my bets to have at least 1 week of no-betting time before determination, to force people to at least be taking some risk when betting. Just my preference. [12:43]
zebedee_ 1 day doesn't seem to cut it. [12:43]
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mircea_popescu well depends on the bet. bitbet has a 7 to 3 day interval settable iirc [12:48]
mircea_popescu if the bet is "stock will be over x on y day" then y-3 works juyst fine i guess [12:48]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.18889 BTC [+] [13:02]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.1889 BTC [+] [13:02]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.189 BTC [+] [13:03]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.189 BTC [+] [13:03]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.19 = 5.95 BTC [+] [13:05]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.19 = 5.95 BTC [+] [13:09]
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pgp2 right, if pool is closed 3-7 days before determing factor, there is less of a need to decay to 1 [13:30]
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Scrat [05:42] aeide would be some sort of praise, tell the story of, [13:39]
Scrat always translates to sing [13:39]
Scrat if you shuffle a letter around it translates to vagina [13:39]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00072802 = 2.0385 BTC [-] [13:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00071866 = 6.4679 BTC [-] [13:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00071119 = 2.8448 BTC [-] [13:44]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.15001 BTC [-] [13:59]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.15 = 10.35 BTC [-] [13:59]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2 BTC [+] [14:14]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.2 = 3.6 BTC [+] [14:15]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.3 = 6 BTC [-] [14:23]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00072095 = 6.2723 BTC [+] [14:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00073 = 4.234 BTC [+] [14:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 900 @ 0.00265301 = 2.3877 BTC [-] [14:38]
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ChaangNoi ;;asks 119 [14:55]
gribble There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 119.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0026 seconds [14:55]
ChaangNoi ;;bids 119 [14:55]
gribble There are currently 25036.97 bitcoins demanded at or over 119.0 USD, worth 3063571.35549 USD in total. | Data vintage: 6.0331 seconds [14:55]
ChaangNoi that is a large number 25 just to 119 that is bullish [14:55]
ChaangNoi ;;bids 0 [14:55]
gribble There are currently 29831987 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 22847009.5336 USD in total. | Data vintage: 25.1612 seconds [14:55]
ChaangNoi 22 million nice [14:55]
ChaangNoi ;;bids 100 [14:56]
gribble There are currently 57573.842 bitcoins demanded at or over 100.0 USD, worth 6586580.08243 USD in total. | Data vintage: 78.7672 seconds [14:56]
ChaangNoi nice [14:56]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 500 @ 0.000694 = 0.347 BTC [+] [15:10]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00071953 = 0.3598 BTC [-] [15:11]
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gribble There are currently 201161.83 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 16241019.1092 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0091 seconds [15:12]
gribble There are currently 29831814 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 22839304.496 USD in total. | Data vintage: 7.3404 seconds [15:12]
gribble There are currently 91014.313 bitcoins offered at or under 250.0 USD, worth 16165486.0703 USD in total. | Data vintage: 16.1350 seconds [15:12]
gribble There are currently 65988.188 bitcoins offered at or under 200.0 USD, worth 10221023.1214 USD in total. | Data vintage: 26.7091 seconds [15:12]
gribble There are currently 57540.927 bitcoins demanded at or over 100.0 USD, worth 6581906.95486 USD in total. | Data vintage: 98.5067 seconds [15:13]
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assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00355 BTC [-] [15:21]
MJR_ lol, zhou tong is back [15:26]
Bugpowda Did I hear this right? [15:28]
Bugpowda http://www.reuters.com/video/2013/04/23/an-exclusive-peek-into-the-worlds-bigges?videoId=242413486&videoChannel=5 $5-20MM flowing into gox per day, 300,000-1MM flowing out. [15:28]
assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.016 = 1.6 BTC [+] [15:28]
Bugpowda I can't tell if he said 500,000 or 5M as the minimum amount per day flowing in [15:28]
pizzaman1337 he has such a think accent [15:33]
pizzaman1337 where is he from? [15:33]
Bugpowda sounds swiss [15:34]
ThickAsThieves i did not expect that voice to come out of that face [15:34]
Bugpowda lol [15:35]
ThickAsThieves bug you heard right [15:35]
ThickAsThieves as far as i can hear [15:35]
pizzaman1337 yeah, I think that was "five and..... 20 million dollars" [15:35]
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MJR_ i thought he said 20 million coming in 300k to 1 million going out [15:37]
MJR_ then he said, a lot more coming in than going out [15:38]
Scrat pizzaman1337: france [15:39]
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pizzaman1337 oh, interesting [15:40]
Bugpowda 130 is going down soon [15:41]
Scrat http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NoxiK7K28PU [15:41]
Scrat give spacex ipo [15:42]
leotreasure http://youtu.be/Vzge_rRdXHQ [15:42]
leotreasure The Secret World Of Gold Full & Complete Program [15:42]
pizzaman1337 ;;ticker [15:42]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 128.57901, Best ask: 128.58000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00099, Last trade: 128.58000, 24 hour volume: 60109.66578235, 24 hour low: 120.05001, 24 hour high: 129.20000, 24 hour vwap: 125.76562 [15:42]
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Bugpowda yeah that grasshopper test is amazing [15:45]
Bugpowda full demo is scheduled by the end of this year [15:45]
Bugpowda IPO is in another 1-2yr [15:45]
Bugpowda lol [15:45]
Bugpowda like TSLA? [15:46]
Bugpowda yet [15:46]
Bugpowda the stock is up [15:46]
Scrat trollolol [15:46]
Bugpowda stick to the toilet paper investments [15:46]
MJR_ erik schmidt just talked about bitcoins on cnbc [15:49]
Scrat yes, because noone else launches satellites [15:49]
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Scrat as for tesla, we are exactly at the point where big battery packs are viable for cars [15:50]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.42 BTC [+] [15:50]
Scrat and their energy density doubles every 4-5 years [15:50]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.4101 BTC [-] [15:50]
Scrat model X will be out soon, and then an even cheaper model is in the works [15:51]
pnkvbz Upgrading gigamining to teramining: is it worth it? [15:52]
jurov $5-20MM flowing into gox per day, 300,000-1MM flowing out... so the fiat evaporates there? [15:52]
jurov or are gox acct balances inreasing by few mm every day? [15:52]
Scrat not a single computer manufacturer has a successful tablet that consumers want in their hands [15:52]
Scrat see what i did there? [15:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00072114 = 4.4711 BTC [+] [15:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00073 = 1.971 BTC [+] [15:53]
Scrat they are paying it off just fine [15:53]
Scrat how the fuck is is a waste, they are paying off the loan [15:54]
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ThickAsThieves is Scrat an uninitiated tiberius victim? [15:55]
Scrat lol [15:55]
Scrat productive businesses (GM) [15:56]
ThickAsThieves does the Note 2 count as a tablet? I kinda want one now that my wife has one [15:56]
Scrat ThickAsThieves: im fully aware that I'm feeding the troll [15:56]
ThickAsThieves kk [15:56]
MJR_ poor Scrat [15:57]
MJR_ has he called you poor yet? [15:57]
MJR_ jurov: i think its turned into bitcoins, and people are leaving their cash there [15:58]
MJR_ not withdrawing it yet [15:58]
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Scrat tiberiusiv is a made up character [16:01]
Scrat an elaborate markov chain bot being fed data from /b/ [16:01]
TomServo no, it's a battle bot [16:01]
Bugpowda tiberiusiv: fam already has spaceX options [16:01]
jurov MJR_: or mtgox prevents them withdrawing it [16:02]
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Uglux 130 [16:10]
Uglux crazy buying [16:11]
Uglux aaand the wall is gone ^^ [16:12]
jurov ;;calc 5000000/120 [16:13]
gribble 41666.6666667 [16:13]
jurov 5m fiat surplus flowing into gox means over 40k bitcoins sold every day [16:13]
jurov i call bs on that [16:13]
pizzaman1337 ;;ticker [16:14]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 132.00001, Best ask: 132.33000, Bid-ask spread: 0.32999, Last trade: 132.33000, 24 hour volume: 68849.89326207, 24 hour low: 120.10010, 24 hour high: 132.20000, 24 hour vwap: 126.37223 [16:14]
jurov unless most investors are waiting [16:14]
jurov and that's not believeable either [16:14]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1290 @ 0.00073 = 0.9417 BTC [+] [16:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00073157 = 2.7068 BTC [+] [16:23]
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pizzaman1337 ;;bids 0 [16:25]
gribble There are currently 29923419 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 23113384.2464 USD in total. | Data vintage: 52.5510 seconds [16:25]
Bugpowda still building [16:26]
Bugpowda all that buying was new bids [16:26]
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blkchnisFXCKED anyone else having problems with blockchain.info holding transactions? [16:31]
blkchnisFXCKED anyone else having problems with blockchain.info holding transactions? [16:31]
blkchnisFXCKED anyone else having problems with blockchain.info holding transactions? [16:31]
blkchnisFXCKED anyone else having problems with blockchain.info holding transactions? [16:31]
blkchnisFXCKED anyone else having problems with blockchain.info holding transactions? [16:31]
blkchnisFXCKED anyone else having problems with blockchain.info holding transactions? [16:31]
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Scrat pwnt [16:31]
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blokchn anyone else having problems with blockchain.info holding transactions? [16:33]
blokchn anyone else having problems with blockchain.info holding transactions? [16:33]
blokchn anyone else having problems with blockchain.info holding transactions? [16:33]
blokchn anyone else having problems with blockchain.info holding transactions? [16:33]
blokchn anyone else having problems with blockchain.info holding transactions? [16:33]
Scrat blokchn: fuck your face [16:33]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2110 @ 0.00073762 = 1.5564 BTC [+] [16:37]
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Uglux ;;goxlag [16:42]
gribble MtGox lag is 1.219795 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00244445552249 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin across the outer diameter of Saturn's rings (0.0024 AU). [16:42]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 25 @ 0.2999 = 7.4975 BTC [-] [16:44]
kakobrekla !l m s.dice [16:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 41 @ 0.2991 = 12.2631 BTC [-] [16:45]
assbot Last trade for S.DICE on MPEX was at 0.00265301 BTC [-] [16:45]
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gribble There are currently 57757.774 bitcoins offered at or under 200.0 USD, worth 9207135.54396 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0051 seconds [16:55]
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pnkvbz Upgrading gigamining to teramining: is it worth it? [16:58]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.2 = 3.6 BTC [+] [16:59]
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Uglux http://www.cryptopixel.com/ why the hell... [17:00]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.168 BTC [-] [17:00]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.16301 BTC [-] [17:01]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.163 BTC [-] [17:01]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.16 = 2.32 BTC [-] [17:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 25 @ 0.295 = 7.375 BTC [-] [17:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9503 @ 0.00071953 = 6.8377 BTC [-] [17:04]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6240 @ 0.00072327 = 4.5132 BTC [+] [17:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3910 @ 0.00073 = 2.8543 BTC [+] [17:17]
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ThickAsThieves bitcoin is old news now http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/23/4252808/can-zerocoin-and-ripple-build-a-better-bitcoin [17:24]
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thestringpuller who cares about ripple? [17:36]
thestringpuller ugh [17:36]
TomServo Isn't ripple sort of a distributed exchange? [17:41]
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jurov ripple is supposed to be used to buy/sell personal credit [17:47]
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jurov and its creators are trying to make sure it doesn't stray from their plans by holding huge stash [17:50]
jurov that's all i know [17:50]
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gribble There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 77.6769 seconds [17:56]
gribble There are currently 200891.07 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 16807697.8497 USD in total. | Data vintage: 85.5081 seconds [17:56]
gribble There are currently 65975.845 bitcoins demanded at or over 100.0 USD, worth 7804157.02725 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0080 seconds [17:58]
gribble There are currently 55664.129 bitcoins offered at or under 200.0 USD, worth 8974006.92163 USD in total. | Data vintage: 6.4764 seconds [17:58]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 18 @ 0.299 = 5.382 BTC [+] [18:02]
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kakobrekla ;;ticker [18:04]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 136.45000, Best ask: 136.80000, Bid-ask spread: 0.35000, Last trade: 136.80000, 24 hour volume: 84182.26967231, 24 hour low: 120.33333, 24 hour high: 137.68860, 24 hour vwap: 128.36205 [18:04]
kakobrekla gimme back 120 [18:04]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00069882 = 4.2977 BTC [-] [18:11]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4969 BTC [+] [18:13]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.29899999 = 1.495 BTC [-] [18:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00293321 = 1.4666 BTC [+] [18:16]
MJR_ you here bugpowder? [18:18]
Bugpowder yah [18:18]
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jcpham http://www.paymentssource.com/news/isos-that-work-with-marijuana-dispensaries-risk-getting-burned-3013891-1.html [18:40]
troc ;;bids 0 [18:44]
gribble There are currently 30778230 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 23022552.3573 USD in total. | Data vintage: 12.3272 seconds [18:44]
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Populus I know I've made bets on bitbet. I'd like to know which ones though. I've forgotten! [18:45]
Populus Is there a way to search for a wallet ID to know what bets the wallet is involved with? [18:45]
kakobrekla you can search by address [18:45]
bitesak ;;ticker [18:46]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 135.18809, Best ask: 135.45886, Bid-ask spread: 0.27077, Last trade: 135.00000, 24 hour volume: 88119.49556709, 24 hour low: 121.70000, 24 hour high: 137.68860, 24 hour vwap: 128.92758 [18:46]
Populus cool, probably should have tried before asking. thanks [18:46]
kakobrekla you should be able to see preset "keyword, address" in the search field [18:47]
kakobrekla http://shrani.si/f/1P/Iz/36fP5LiD/search.png [18:47]
kakobrekla you can combine [18:48]
kakobrekla both [18:48]
kakobrekla like "1something BFL" [18:48]
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jurov one of these new sorely needed btc services: http://thefuckingbitcoin.com/ [18:56]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.15021 BTC [-] [19:00]
punkman1 "Data via Mt.Gox Streaming API / Reverse forecast averages pulled out of my ass" [19:00]
punkman1 heh [19:00]
ChaangNoi can is alive:) [19:03]
ChaangNoi chan [19:03]
jurov yea, nobody was killed in romania [19:05]
jurov or kidnapped [19:05]
deadweasel hopefully you had some fun too? [19:12]
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jurov ofc we had [19:15]
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jurov plus i had some unplanned excursion after boarding wrong train [19:16]
assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 65 @ 0.016499 = 1.0724 BTC [+] [19:16]
assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.0165 = 1.65 BTC [+] [19:17]
kakobrekla omg jurov what happend with the train [19:17]
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jurov the budapest-bucharest trains in both directions met in timisoara with departures 5 minutes apart [19:19]
assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 50 @ 0.017 = 0.85 BTC [+] [19:20]
jurov and the table was easy to misread (arrivals/departures labeled only in romanian) [19:21]
jurov so me and an older hungarian lady got into wrong one [19:21]
jurov and went off next stop, she knew romanian so not a big problem [19:22]
jurov just had to wait 2 hrs and get back... [19:22]
jurov then i found by chance a nice hostel in timisoara, a family house complete with dogs and cat [19:23]
jurov ideal to calm my nerves :) [19:23]
kakobrekla :D [19:24]
kakobrekla well at least it worked out ok in the end [19:24]
jurov only that the cat preferred to lay on my notebook's psu instead of near me. such a bitch [19:24]
jurov :) [19:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11573 @ 0.00069882 = 8.0874 BTC [-] [19:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4777 @ 0.00068337 = 3.2645 BTC [-] [19:26]
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jurov oh and the mobile internet (alhough slow) never dropped even in middle of nowhere. amazing. [19:26]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00069956 = 1.1893 BTC [+] [19:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13842 @ 0.00070646 = 9.7788 BTC [+] [19:30]
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Aurigae1 hey guys, what are the most interesting ventures in bitcoin world, i have browsed a bit on bitcoin stocks but most seem blatantly overvalued on marketcap. [19:34]
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FabianB_ this channel [19:36]
Aurigae1 ? [19:36]
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leotreasure Asicminer [19:38]
leotreasure Satoshi Dice [19:39]
leotreasure Mpex [19:39]
leotreasure BitBet [19:40]
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Aurigae1 satoshi has a marcet cap of 7'K as i calculated, gotta check the books tough [19:50]
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Aurigae1 700k [19:50]
kakobrekla more to come! [19:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6255 @ 0.00071222 = 4.4549 BTC [+] [19:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2595 @ 0.00071733 = 1.8615 BTC [+] [19:51]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00071733 = 0.5739 BTC [+] [19:59]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 20 @ 1.33 = 26.6 BTC [-] [20:05]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 720 @ 0.000695 = 0.5004 BTC [+] [20:07]
thestringpuller ls [20:08]
assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC [+] [20:08]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.821 BTC [+] [20:09]
thestringpuller lol [20:09]
thestringpuller !ticker [20:10]
assbot It says some pelt-wearin' trapper, some stinkin' bean-suckin' possum skinner, he's gonna collect that reward money. [20:10]
thestringpuller !ticker m s.mpoe [20:10]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067618 / 0.0006985 / 0.00073762 (402728 shares, 281.31 BTC), 7D: 0.00067618 / 0.00070449 / 0.00073891 (2496216 shares, 1,758.57 BTC), 30D: 0.00059218 / 0.00068429 / 0.00073891 (10074634 shares, 6,894.07 BTC) [20:10]
thestringpuller !ticker m ^oix [20:10]
assbot [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) [20:10]
thestringpuller LOL [20:10]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 24 @ 0.00355 = 0.0852 BTC [-] [20:10]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 26 @ 0.00379 = 0.0985 BTC [+] [20:10]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.437 BTC [+] [20:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17343 @ 0.00070979 = 12.3099 BTC [-] [20:17]
MJR_ lol [20:19]
MJR_ ap twitter feed was hacked [20:19]
MJR_ lol [20:19]
MJR_ that was crazy [20:21]
MJR_ they tweeted that there were two explosions in the white house and obama was injured [20:22]
MJR_ dow fell like 150 points before snapping back [20:22]
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kakobrekla lol wtf [20:23]
kakobrekla for real? [20:23]
mod6 wow [20:23]
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mod6 yea, thats what CNBC says: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100664423 [20:26]
benkay good old tightly coupled systems [20:26]
benkay good old traders, looking for the info-edge [20:26]
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mod6 here's the beat down in a chart: https://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXDJX%3A.DJI%2CINDEXSP%3A.INX%2CINDEXNASDAQ%3A.IXIC&ei=DcR2UcjbLYWOqgHYUg&hl=en [20:29]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 823 @ 0.00068337 = 0.5624 BTC [-] [20:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14226 @ 0.00068284 = 9.7141 BTC [-] [20:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1766 @ 0.00067862 = 1.1984 BTC [-] [20:32]
iz lol [20:34]
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MJR_ was crazy moves [20:39]
mod6 http://www.nanex.net/aqck2/4176.html << ZAP [20:39]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.199 BTC [+] [20:45]
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assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.1982 = 0.3964 BTC [+] [20:56]
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ThickAsThieves ;;nethash [21:00]
gribble 73851.0847314 [21:00]
ThickAsThieves nice [21:00]
ThickAsThieves ;;bc,stats [21:01]
gribble Current Blocks: 232776 | Current Difficulty: 8974296.01488785 | Next Difficulty At Block: 233855 | Next Difficulty In: 1079 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 14 hours, 52 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 9669629.13619 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.74805 [21:01]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.0975 = 0.39 BTC [+] [21:02]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.000631 = 0.0013 BTC [-] [21:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3407 @ 0.00067862 = 2.3121 BTC [-] [21:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1593 @ 0.00067861 = 1.081 BTC [-] [21:11]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.1603 BTC [-] [21:14]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.157 BTC [-] [21:21]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.150221 BTC [-] [21:22]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.15022 BTC [-] [21:22]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.1502 BTC [-] [21:22]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.15001 BTC [-] [21:22]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.15001 = 3.45 BTC [-] [21:23]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.15001 BTC [-] [21:23]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.14101 = 4.564 BTC [-] [21:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00068496 = 2.5344 BTC [+] [21:28]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.43701 = 2.1851 BTC [+] [21:30]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.437 = 0.874 BTC [-] [21:31]
MJR_ ;;next [21:32]
gribble *AWAY UNTIL April 28* resistance: 132, 136, 138-140 | support: 120, 115, 110, 100, 90 | lower buy targets: 102, 96-100, 86 | updated by OneFixt at Apr 21 2013, 18:00 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 2 days, 0 hours, 32 minutes, and 52 seconds ago [21:32]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [-] [21:32]
assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 36 @ 0.0055 = 0.198 BTC [+] [21:34]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+] [21:35]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.15022 BTC [+] [21:37]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.150221 BTC [+] [21:38]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.291 = 1.455 BTC [-] [21:48]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 770 @ 0.00070085 = 0.5397 BTC [+] [21:51]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 450 @ 0.0014 = 0.63 BTC [-] [21:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 550 @ 0.0014 = 0.77 BTC [-] [21:55]
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assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.1982 = 0.5946 BTC [+] [21:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.0975 BTC [+] [21:57]
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assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.017 BTC [+] [22:01]
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assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.0055 BTC [+] [22:03]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.2 = 10.8 BTC [+] [22:05]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00070052 = 8.1961 BTC [-] [22:23]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.86 BTC [+] [22:30]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.142 BTC [-] [22:59]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.1415 = 2.283 BTC [-] [23:00]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10112 @ 0.00068953 = 6.9725 BTC [-] [23:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3458 @ 0.00067862 = 2.3467 BTC [-] [23:12]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00067862 = 2.8841 BTC [-] [23:24]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 30 @ 0.000698 = 0.0209 BTC [+] [23:34]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.42 = 1.26 BTC [-] [23:34]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.189 BTC [+] [23:35]
aneesh Anybody that trades BTC settled USD futures? [23:36]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.41101 = 1.233 BTC [-] [23:39]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.411 BTC [-] [23:39]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.40701 = 2.0351 BTC [-] [23:40]
kakobrekla aneesh? [23:40]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.407 BTC [-] [23:41]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.87 BTC [+] [23:42]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.196999 BTC [+] [23:42]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.197 BTC [+] [23:42]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.19898 BTC [+] [23:43]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.4389 BTC [+] [23:50]
mod6 ;;ticker [23:50]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 139.80000, Best ask: 139.89000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 139.80000, 24 hour volume: 95450.29604973, 24 hour low: 124.97000, 24 hour high: 139.81000, 24 hour vwap: 131.93442 [23:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00068389 = 4.7872 BTC [+] [23:54]
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