Forum logs for 22 Nov 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

WillTablet	Do you need to declare your bitcoin assets for capital gains tax?	[00:00]
dub	talk to your lawyer but generally, yes	[00:01]
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ThickAsThieves	http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-segway-currency-180200628.html	[00:05]
ozbot	Bitcoin Is the Segway of Currency - Yahoo Finance	[00:05]
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thestringpuller	;;market sell 1000000	[00:06]
gribble	A market order to sell 1000000 bitcoins right now would net 33224187.7105 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0013 USD, resulting in an average price of 33.2242 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 0.0122 seconds	[00:06]
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dub	ThickAsThieves: I stopped reading at 'it then opened on tuesday at..'	[00:10]
pankkake	60% of bitcoins are spent on satoshi dice	[00:11]
pankkake	amazing journalism	[00:11]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[00:11]
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turbo_ac100	;;market sell 100	[00:24]
gribble	A market order to sell 100 bitcoins right now would net 74583.0447 USD and would take the last price down to 745.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 745.8304 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 0.0003 seconds	[00:24]
turbo_ac100	:P	[00:25]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 111 @ 0.03559817 = 3.9514 BTC [+] {7}	[00:34]
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thestringpuller	;;market sell 30	[00:35]
gribble	A market order to sell 30 bitcoins right now would net 22483.7161 USD and would take the last price down to 747.0500 USD, resulting in an average price of 749.4572 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 0.0000 seconds	[00:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.03956285 = 0.2769 BTC [+] {2}	[00:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.04085 = 0.2451 BTC [+] {2}	[00:36]
kakobrekla	> In fact I was watching the price that day and I wouldn't be surprised if the price on the exchanges went from ~$700 or so to $750 in a matter of minutes.	[00:38]
kakobrekla	lol, thats reason enough not to bet.	[00:38]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]	[01:05]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200000 @ 0.00077517 = 155.034 BTC [-] {5}	[01:13]
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pankkake	"I expect MP was abandoned as a child and this is how s/he gets back at the world."	[01:15]
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deadweasel	i assume golden thread, pankkake ?	[01:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 3 @ 0.04199999 = 0.126 BTC [+]	[01:28]
pankkake	yup	[01:28]
deadweasel	:D	[01:28]
deadweasel	it's the troll-gift that keeps on giving	[01:28]
deadweasel	the golden road	[01:29]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 82 @ 0.00199 = 0.1632 BTC [-]	[01:32]
AndrewJackson	;;market sell 10000	[01:34]
gribble	A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 6428238.2662 USD and would take the last price down to 567.5000 USD, resulting in an average price of 642.8238 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 137.1150 seconds	[01:34]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 771.4632, Best ask: 772.58181, Bid-ask spread: 1.11861, Last trade: 771.4632, 24 hour volume: 39106.11830864, 24 hour low: 595.21, 24 hour high: 784.4444, 24 hour vwap: 697.57273	[01:34]
jurov	;;bc,stats	[01:34]
gribble	Current Blocks: 270831 \| Current Difficulty: 6.094826798883545E8 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 272159 \| Next Difficulty In: 1328 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 20 hours, 28 minutes, and 48 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 668130491.865 \| Estimated Percent Change: 9.62256	[01:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 84 @ 0.0038733 = 0.3254 BTC [-] {3}	[01:37]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [-]	[01:39]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.39 = 1.17 BTC [-]	[01:54]
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mike_c	bitbet feature request: bitbet.us/bet/[id]/data.json returns json object with relevant bet information. weighted no/yes, current weight, etc.	[01:57]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00078643 = 4.5613 BTC [+]	[01:58]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.0020938 = 0.1361 BTC [+]	[02:01]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00078643 = 1.3763 BTC [+]	[02:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [+]	[02:10]
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pankkake	lol TradeFortress now appears -260 trust	[02:12]
pankkake	it's just useless to add more…	[02:13]
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Apocalyptic	a painless tradeoff nonetheless	[02:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13219 @ 0.00078906 = 10.4306 BTC [+] {2}	[02:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 124 @ 0.002 = 0.248 BTC [-]	[02:21]
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mircea_popescu	ahh	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	so what's new ?	[02:50]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: bitcoin made me a bit richer o/	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	wd!	[02:51]
Azelphur	glad I took your advice you gave me a while back not to buy a house	[02:51]
Azelphur	and instead sit on it :)	[02:51]
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mircea_popescu	:p	[02:53]
Azelphur	I tagged $100,000 in the recent boom lol, not bad for an unemployed basement hacker type person.	[02:53]
thestringpuller	I haven't seen Azelphur in some time.	[02:54]
thestringpuller	Cray cray	[02:54]
Azelphur	I'm always about :)	[02:54]
Azelphur	working on my new company.	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	what's it gonna do ?	[02:55]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: I'm just the tech guy, so really I just do what the boss says, even though I'm on the board of directors and have an equal stake :)	[02:56]
Azelphur	but atm we're just going for good old fashioned merchant shop	[02:56]
Azelphur	easy way to get some money in	[02:56]
Azelphur	accepting all crypto coins is the plan though, I'm working on a payment module for django to make that happen	[02:56]
mike_c	bitstamp is a django shop, maybe you can borrow theirs :)	[02:57]
Azelphur	didn't know they were django, that's cool. I know localbitcoins is, and their bitcoin backend is open source too	[02:58]
Azelphur	I'm not sure if it'll play well with alt currencies, though	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	Azelphur tjhis " I'm just the tech guy, so really I just do what the boss says, even though I'm on the board of directors and have an equal stake" approach worked well for ohter bitcoin businesses.	[02:59]
Azelphur	it did? that's good xD	[02:59]
Azelphur	I got so fed up with all the trials of doing my own business, it's hard with all the legislative bullshit in UK	[02:59]
Azelphur	got robbed by the banks on more than one occasion :(	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	dude that bitbet thread...	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	funny where the ideological split chose to make itself evident.	[03:00]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: my boss presented me with some hilarious assclowns for consulting the other day though	[03:00]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu why don't you write more articles on leadership?	[03:00]
Azelphur	they wanted me to clone localbitcoins, for $250...and any more than that and he could just pay his hacker friend to get the source	[03:01]
Azelphur	and they wanted us to be fully liable for when they get hacked, and they were looking at running it on a box with 300 other websites on it (wordpress, joomla, etc)	[03:01]
Azelphur	XD	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller leadership is like the D part of a D/s relationship. you gotta apprentice, it's impossible to learn by reading	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	Azelphur lolk	[03:01]
Azelphur	yea that was pretty much my response	[03:01]
Azelphur	"good luck with your hacker friend"	[03:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00386001 = 0.1274 BTC [-] {2}	[03:01]
mike_c	so.. you did a hg clone and charged them 250 hopefully :)	[03:01]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu doesn't that create a chicken and egg scenario? what bout the first leader?	[03:01]
thestringpuller	the first OG	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller the first leader was there before there was speech. so not really much of a dilemma.	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	meh, is it me or are the really bad titjobs really multiplying these past years	[03:05]
dub	ooh that was close	[03:06]
dub	I nearly lost the string 'bad titjobs?' in a document	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dum/112013/11-17-2013/nicolegraves/photos/10.jpg << for total scary, nicole's 10yo fixtures.	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	dub lol i should charge a fee	[03:07]
pankkake	that whole image is disgusting	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	yw.	[03:08]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]	[03:10]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake so now i'm also getting spam in french, not only english, chinese, russian, korean etc. i blame you.	[03:12]
pankkake	I don't get much French spam :( The best ones I had was about "winning the Bill Gates lottery"	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	o but allow me to impart.	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	rbatv ugg pas cher flujw bottes ugg pas cher udmou ugg pas cher en france zjdao ugg en soldes nrsgc	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	Nous correspondra liÃ©e Ã musicien et interprÃ¨te longchamp le pliage medium nylon tote black Louis Vuitton longchamps canada hors de vos femmes? Elles sont crÃ©Ã©es pour finir par Ãªtre Ã portÃ©e de main, puissant, robuste, en plus Ã©lastique alors que mÃªme maintenant	[03:17]
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mircea_popescu	etc	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	tho i guess i should blame the canadians plutot	[03:17]
pankkake	I blame google translate, I can't figure out what it means	[03:17]
pankkake	it doesn't compute	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	basically the way blog spam works these days is they just scrape a large bunch of facebook pages or w/e then randomly mix up the sentences, add linksat the seams and that's that	[03:18]
pankkake	I get a lot of "thanks for this article you are such an awesome writer" spams	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	yeah, there's that group too	[03:19]
pankkake	one time I had trouble figuring out if it was real or not (there was no link, so…)	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	dork prolly forgot to add the link in the spam script he bought	[03:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.00399998 = 0.256 BTC [+] {2}	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	i get lolstuff like :link1: :salutation: etc	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	also with $$ terminators	[03:20]
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opc0d3	ICBIT.se by far the largest futures/derivatives exchange now.... MPEX left behind in the dust by charging 40BTC membership fee. what a joke.	[03:21]
opc0d3	https://icbit.se/WebTrade/Top.aspx	[03:21]
ozbot	Hall of Fame	[03:21]
pankkake	haha yeah I got those. probably corroborates the whole "spammers don't make that much money" idea	[03:21]
pankkake	they're just dumb	[03:21]
pankkake	two trolls in a day!	[03:21]
opc0d3	MPEX exchange nothing but a scam. ICBIT.se amazing #1 top futures exchange. $ millions a day in volume	[03:21]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[03:21]
opc0d3	#1 AMAZING exchange ICBIT.se will be adding options soon. Very low pricing.... MPEX will be a wasteland of ZERO volume as soon as ICBIT.se adds options.... What a joke MPEX is...	[03:22]
pankkake	SHIT. on one of my open source projects I released, I got a "Only wanna tell that this is invaluable, Thanks for taking your time to write this."	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	i guess this is where i'm supposed to say something.	[03:22]
pankkake	I really, really thought it was sincere	[03:22]
opc0d3	all those idiotic pass-thru's taking comissions will be put out of business and MPEX will die a slow death	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	awwww.	[03:22]
pankkake	but millions of blogs have it	[03:22]
pankkake	:((	[03:22]
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mircea_popescu	well you're still special for us.	[03:22]
opc0d3	bitbet.us bet about ICBIT being a scam will go to the NO's. ICBIT.se #1 super top exchange. MPEX #1 scam	[03:23]
pankkake	also author used Internet Explorer and Windows, so not someone who could use my thing anyway	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	user agent strings are meaningless.	[03:23]
pankkake	eh, I got one star on Github	[03:23]
pankkake	if only you could sell them for btc	[03:24]
opc0d3	over $25 million volume on ICBIT.se in past 30 days. ICBIT.se making lots of money charging fees on large volume... MPEX sitting in the dust with no volume and high fees. MPEX doesn't understand economics. MPEX = joke. ICBIT= awesome	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	do stars do anything ?	[03:24]
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pankkake	no	[03:24]
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pankkake	actually too much stars is like reddit karma. it's suspicious	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	a	[03:25]
opc0d3	ICBIT.se #1 super awesome site. go trade there. I'm #1 on the leaderboard. https://icbit.se/WebTrade/Top.aspx up only 1,000 BTC in past 30 days trading on ICBIT.se super awesome #1 futures site go now make account. #1 top site is awesome. MPEX is joke. ICBIT.se super good!	[03:25]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c:	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	bitbet feature request: bitbet.us/bet/[id]/data.json returns json object with relevant bet information. weighted no/yes, current weight, etc. <<< kakobrekla that's prolly a good idea, stops people from scraping pages in desperation.	[03:27]
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thestringpuller	lol page scraping is an art though	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	check this shit out :	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/353/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-1000/#c1835	[03:28]
ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin price to rise above $1000	[03:28]
pankkake	I am well versed in that art too :p	[03:28]
pankkake	wow such noobiness	[03:30]
mircea_popescu	it's like... jesus.	[03:30]
mircea_popescu	basically the horde of headless zombies wants to get their disgusting goop on anything	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	"o here's a cool patch of clean grass, let's vomit on it"	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	stay in your fucking pens, consumers!	[03:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 60 @ 0.03147016 = 1.8882 BTC [-] {7}	[03:32]
mircea_popescu	bloctoc well what's the matter there ?	[03:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 23 @ 0.05999999 = 1.38 BTC [-] {2}	[03:34]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo:	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform, Right now I'm thinking of just plugging in a microphone and hiring some hookers, Rob Ford style <<< for the record, this is MP style!	[03:35]
asciilifeform	'Ford style' would be rng based on puffs of (crack) smoke?	[03:36]
asciilifeform	(turbulent flow!)	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	lolerskates: starting my 6 months of lurking now << ahaha this is too good.	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	you around still nooblet lurker ?	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	kleeck: why is there an mpoe wall? << ancient artefact since the days mpoe took an investor this spring.	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	basically the deal on the table was either 5% for X premium or 10% for Y premium, Y > X.	[03:38]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu, I thought you wouldn't need to hire hookers because slaves. Then again you mentioned you prefer the reduced stress environment of an open harem...	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	investor went for 5% and then a large buy appeared. it took a while to sell but i think over ~6 months it mostly bought like 2/3 or so	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo the microphone sex part i meant.	[03:38]
BingoBoingo	Ah, yes.	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	or did i only mention that in private... hm...	[03:38]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu, I believe it appeared on trilema or in trilema comments.	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	a	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	well then, i totally claim dibs on the whole concept of using innocent if luscious pretty young thing's mating heews and haws for computational purposes.	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	I AM TOTALLY THE FIRST TO HAVE DONE THAT.	[03:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.0020865 = 0.5216 BTC [+]	[03:40]
dub	that aint shit, I created breakingbadbios which uses crack smoke signals for covert comms	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	dub http://trilema.com/2013/journalistic-responsibility-a-case-study/	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	my wafflemaker beats your smoke signals.	[03:45]
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mircea_popescu	whoa!	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	dubsy check it out man : https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/11/rerouting_inter.html	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	the guy has been reading your -assets comments!	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell tulak_ one idea is to get into the wot. read gribble's info on that.	[03:49]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[03:50]
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pankkake	that bios picture makes me nostalgic. newer bioses are so fancy	[03:50]
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mircea_popescu	true that.	[03:53]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves to quote some clever young gent for your benefit, "There are way to many companies like this in Bitcoin. We need to stop supporting these crooked business practices if we want bitcoin to succeed."	[03:55]
thestringpuller	who would that clever gent be?	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3663642#msg3663642	[03:56]
ozbot	BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)	[03:56]
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mircea_popescu	that thread was funny, apparently buncha people got the message.	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	not the original poster, i guess, but nevertheless.	[03:56]
asciilifeform	what's with all the folks obsessed with 'being part of bitcoin!' ? i mean, it makes sense to want riches, but it is a curious way of phrasing it.	[03:57]
asciilifeform	where is 'i wanna be part of euro!'	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic : we need peer to peer distributed faith, brah.	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i think you misunderstand the religious impulse animating most of the web crowd.	[03:58]
mike_c	greece wants to be part of euro	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	they wish "to be part of" various things. such as "change", "progress", "the solution" and not "the problem" etc.	[03:59]
asciilifeform	what happened to good old-fashioned honest avarice.	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	they don't want to be rich, and they don't want to be powerful. they just want to... be.	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	avarice is for crabs not amoeba.	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	also, people, you have ruined my fucking life. I go spend half a day in my dungeon knee deep in blossoming adolescent pussy, come back, read the log and regret i missed out on all the fun.	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	fuck you.	[04:00]
thestringpuller	crab people?	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	this shouldn't exist.	[04:00]
thestringpuller	??????	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	it's unfair and i should be refunded all my regrets!	[04:01]
pankkake	we can exchange lives if you want	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	at first i read "livers"	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	i was hmm...	[04:02]
pankkake	livers are barely worth an ipad these days	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	http://www.activistpost.com/2013/11/american-borders-will-be-changing.html << at least the first two sentences are likely correct.	[04:03]
ozbot	Activist Post: American Borders Will Be Changing	[04:03]
asciilifeform	republikflucht is a big no-no.	[04:04]
nubbins`	hard on the chicken fingers & beer tonight	[04:05]
thestringpuller	meal fit for a girl scout	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	or being deemed likely to cause “serious damage to the national security or the foreign policy of the United States.”	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	this is like...	[04:07]
asciilifeform	on paper, most governments reserve the right to 'we don't like you - go away.' the question is where it will happen in practice.	[04:08]
nubbins`	oh wow, you can get denied a passport for having smoked a joint?	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no, wait. on paper no eu government reserves the right to refuse a passport for "national security or foreign policy reasons"	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	it's also quite actionable before the hr court.	[04:09]
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mircea_popescu	i like this mgio kid.	[04:14]
thestringpuller	;;seen benkay	[04:15]
gribble	benkay was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 hours, 19 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: ;;later tell asciilifeform if pluggable rng, why not user-providable keys on later models?	[04:15]
Bugpowdurr	$1000 is gonna happen soon	[04:16]
mike_c	get ur 10 btc ready to drop on that bitbet	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	lol	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[04:17]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 750.47291, Best ask: 751.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.52709, Last trade: 751.0, 24 hour volume: 38779.49420170, 24 hour low: 595.21, 24 hour high: 784.4444, 24 hour vwap: 707.43635	[04:17]
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cazalla	hope so, i can consider leaving my wife at 1k	[04:17]
Bugpowdurr	lol	[04:17]
Bugpowdurr	my wife lets me order tesla at 1k	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	cazalla why leave her ? sell her!	[04:17]
Bugpowdurr	supposedly	[04:17]
thestringpuller	$avg	[04:17]
mpexbot	thestringpuller: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.	[04:17]
thestringpuller	LOL	[04:18]
cazalla	we can't sell women in australia and her market value wouldn't be much anyway	[04:18]
thestringpuller	;;bc,24hprc	[04:18]
gribble	Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.	[04:18]
thestringpuller	~__~	[04:18]
Bugpowdurr	tho I'm not selling any more coins to pay for it	[04:18]
mike_c	grr, bitcoincharts 502 (again). anybody know another good place to get gox trade history?	[04:18]
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Bugpowdurr	fuck that	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	mike_c bitcoinity maybe ?	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowdurr so how do you buy it then ?	[04:18]
gaysian	mike_c: bitcoinwisdom?	[04:19]
Bugpowdurr	With cash?	[04:19]
mircea_popescu	o. i had forgotten that works.	[04:19]
Bugpowdurr	Bitcoin is not our primary income stream	[04:19]
mike_c	those have charts, but not seeing historical trade data. i guess i'll wait for bitcoincharts api to come back	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	i wish i could still say the same, but at least as far as paper valuations are concerned...	[04:20]
Bugpowdurr	Although now she is all in on bitcoin... Finally.... Hoarding coins	[04:20]
Bugpowdurr	dude	[04:20]
Bugpowdurr	You should buy a plane	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	mike_c bitcoinity has a 2 year option	[04:21]
Bugpowdurr	like a used g5	[04:21]
nubbins`	my bitcoin valuation makes my day job look mildly embarassing	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	or used to at some point.	[04:21]
Bugpowdurr	and install a hot tub	[04:21]
thestringpuller	Bugpowdurr: when are you going to make your own lab, you surely have enough by now	[04:21]
Bugpowdurr	although that would be too heavy	[04:21]
Bugpowdurr	I start Jan 1st	[04:21]
Bugpowdurr	Renovations done in march	[04:21]
thestringpuller	Ah you took the plunge!	[04:21]
thestringpuller	WHat research are you planning on doing?	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller he's taking a step down from rats :	[04:22]
Bugpowdurr	Synthetic perception	[04:22]
mircea_popescu	will be cutting open bitcointalk user skulls	[04:22]
thestringpuller	XD	[04:22]
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Bugpowdurr	basically generating haptic feedback in mentally controlled robotic arms via direct brain stimulation	[04:22]
thestringpuller	isn't bitcointalk part of a huge funding controversy nw?	[04:22]
Bugpowdurr	if it works	[04:22]
thestringpuller	someone saying theymos ran off with 10k of coin?	[04:23]
thestringpuller	donated to the site	[04:23]
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Bugpowdurr	he distributed it to many people	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowdurr that's cool stuff.	[04:23]
Bugpowdurr	so stupid	[04:23]
Bugpowdurr	The issue is I need to break out of the mouse	[04:23]
Bugpowdurr	and get into human	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	yes. it was as stupid as only a 20yo ancient bitcoin user could have conceived.	[04:23]
Bugpowdurr	for DARPA funding	[04:23]
Bugpowdurr	but tech isn't there yet for precise CNS stim in humans	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowdurr this will sound corny, but, you should really talk to the chinese/koreans	[04:24]
Bugpowdurr	about what?	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	i give you about 3x better odds to get financing.	[04:24]
Bugpowdurr	science or bitcoin?	[04:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.4 = 1.2 BTC [+] {2}	[04:24]
Bugpowdurr	hahah	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	about your research.	[04:24]
dub	typical Schneier	[04:24]
Bugpowdurr	I think I'll get funding	[04:24]
Bugpowdurr	I have a decent startup	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	dub i love the "nsa is 100% not doing this" part	[04:24]
dub	flaws in implementaion not the protocol	[04:24]
Bugpowdurr	And I am talking to the Chinese re: arb	[04:25]
dub	though the protocol could use some extra knobs to help with this	[04:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 172 @ 0.003852 = 0.6625 BTC [-]	[04:25]
Bugpowdurr	counterparty risk is problematic. There is a reason all the big chinese empires are kept in the family	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowdurr just a thought. they're spending a shitton on advanced robotics research atm	[04:25]
Bugpowdurr	hrmmm...	[04:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 251 @ 0.00208949 = 0.5245 BTC [+] {2}	[04:26]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.0001248 = 1.248 BTC [+]	[04:27]
dub	mircea_popescu: he says the odss of nsa not doing it are 0%, but he's probably wrong, they dont need this they have quantum	[04:29]
mircea_popescu	yeah, quantum dingbats.	[04:29]
Bugpowdurr	quantum bullshit	[04:29]
dub	quantum is the name of their mitm program	[04:29]
Bugpowdurr	quantum VC	[04:29]
Bugpowdurr	oh	[04:29]
asciilifeform	they've got - 'remote viewers!' with magic. as seen 'men who stare at goats.' surely.	[04:29]
Bugpowdurr	Not that D-Wave thing	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	dub "they don't need this" has afaik never stopped any public expenditure to date.	[04:30]
dub	last week or so snowden revealed they used it to deliver trojans to specific linkedin users	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	not even in like, ghana	[04:30]
asciilifeform	incidentally 'they broke rsa ages ago' makes for a good crackpot theory regarding the wasteful incompetence of, well, everything else. smoke screen.	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	dub yes, but it was to attack a telecom.	[04:31]
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asciilifeform	i think he was referring to 'QUANTUM' rather than feynman's 'quantum computer.'	[04:31]
dub	as was I	[04:31]
dub	norly they used superposition to put malway on remote disks derp	[04:32]
dub	malware*	[04:32]
asciilifeform	dub: if you had a working 'shor's algo' setup, you could put pretty much whatever you like, anywhere you like.	[04:33]
asciilifeform	without weird telecom gymnastics.	[04:33]
asciilifeform	or the cooperation of willing idiots.	[04:33]
thestringpuller	trilema needs a search function	[04:33]
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thestringpuller	why has this not been developed yet?	[04:33]
pankkake	it's called googling site:trilema.com butts	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	the mtgox price chart looks like a free oscillator in action	[04:34]
pankkake	I do it mostly on log.bitcoin-assets.com	[04:34]
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mircea_popescu	;;google site:trilema.com butts	[04:34]
gribble	Valiant prince MP explores the mother of all echo chambers. A saga ...: ; Clear signs that you're gay you don't even know about! pe Trilema ...: ; Apparently I'm not the only one pointing out the obvious pe (1 more message)	[04:34]
pankkake	it was more oscillating last day	[04:35]
mircea_popescu	always good for a chuckle	[04:35]
thestringpuller	;;google site:trilema.com "apply for money"	[04:35]
gribble	RIPple, the definitive discussion. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; Wikileaks - CII pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; The bitchslapping of 2013… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.:	[04:35]
thestringpuller	ah there it is	[04:35]
thestringpuller	the bitch slapping of 2013	[04:35]
thestringpuller	thanks for that pankkake	[04:36]
pankkake	;;later tell Vexual can you dig it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFHkO3CqnjU	[04:37]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[04:38]
pankkake	truffles: yes	[04:38]
pankkake	it's a good way to spot people who know what bukkake is, or are willing to admit it in public :p	[04:38]
pankkake	(especially IRL)	[04:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 0.17 = 0.51 BTC [+]	[04:39]
asciilifeform	was bukkake widely known in the time of Dukkakis? perhaps this might explain his ill fortune.	[04:39]
mircea_popescu	afaik bukkake only became a household... item in the mid 90s	[04:40]
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pankkake	probably not known before the internet	[04:40]
pankkake	I blame KaZaa porn mostly	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	it was somewhat known due to german fascination with weird vhs	[04:41]
pankkake	and the German Goo Girls :)	[04:41]
pankkake	ah well, so you are part of the people who know how to say bukkake correctly	[04:41]
pankkake	not ba-cake	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	http://jonnymetbird.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/samuel-silva-red-haired-girl.jpg	[04:42]
Bugpowdurr	l8r dudes....	[04:42]
asciilifeform	more like kabuki.	[04:42]
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pankkake	mircea_popescu: too bad that girl doesnt exist, because I love her	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	i thot the internet way of looking at things was more like "thanks goodness the girl doesn't exist, because i love her"	[04:43]
asciilifeform	how's that work?	[04:43]
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mircea_popescu	i guess it works not too well.	[04:44]
pankkake	http://images.luvimages.com/luvphotos/a/amazing_freckles-1642.jpg	[04:45]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[04:45]
pankkake	lol	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	frenchiepoofs and their freckle fetish	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	you know, we call them gingers, and we EAT THEM	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	unrelated : http://stopmebeforeivoteagain.org/2011/07/several_dozen_infantile_disord.html	[04:45]
pankkake	is it so wrong to like people with no souls?	[04:46]
ThickAsThieves	if you have to ask!	[04:46]
pankkake	at least it's not slanderous…	[04:46]
pankkake	it's not much of the fetish, but I won't admit most of my other fetishes :)	[04:47]
ThickAsThieves	it's a cry for help	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	what's the big deal about admitting to various kinks ?	[04:48]
pankkake	feet is pretty mainstream	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	feet is only mainstream among impotent old men.	[04:48]
pankkake	it's more in the ridiculous range	[04:48]
pankkake	though there are actually a few websites dedicated to them	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla some lol to tame the slanderous soul you don't have : http://bitbet.us/bet/353/bitcoin-price-to-rise-above-1000/#c1851	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	basically bitstamp is going to get deluged into requests to do weird manual things to their incoming.	[04:49]
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kakobrekla	so	[04:57]
kakobrekla	this guy copies bitbet https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=342574.0	[04:57]
kakobrekla	and then tries to sell it to me	[04:58]
kakobrekla	gj	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla we run wordpress ?!	[04:58]
kakobrekla	no	[04:58]
kakobrekla	Hi,	[04:58]
kakobrekla	I'm selling really beautiful wordpress theme for social betting site as yours. I know that your site is not running on wordpress but you never know. Hopefully you might be interested to uptade the look and feel of your site.	[04:58]
kakobrekla	Here is the topic in the forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=342574.0	[04:58]
kakobrekla	Best regards,	[04:58]
pankkake	hopefully no, otherwise I'm asking for a refund	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla is that intended to read "uptard" ?	[04:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0020929 = 0.1046 BTC [+]	[04:58]
kakobrekla	heh	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	"I know that your site is not running on wordpress but you never know." this is possibly the winner.	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla, i would like you to have my babies.	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	i know you're not female and therefore lack the requisite apparatus, but... YOU NEVER KNOW	[04:59]
kakobrekla	sorry, my utterus is full	[04:59]
kakobrekla	uterus*	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	"uterus is utterly fowl"	[05:00]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: resemblance to a chicken (when seen on an anatomist's table) is amazingly close.	[05:01]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/612/asianslave4sales-ipo/	[05:01]
ozbot	BitBet - AsianSlave4sales IPO	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	im still hoping that one happens.	[05:01]
kakobrekla	what is this even	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	meme material, maybe.	[05:04]
BingoBoingo	Apparently the Courts circus is about to get a lot of new clowns http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/21/21562284-senate-goes-nuclear-democrats-approve-changes-to-filibuster-rules?lite	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i saw that. curious where this ends.	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	perhaps unicameral parliament ?	[05:05]
BingoBoingo	I'm thinking it will probably end in a drone backed coup leading to a RoboKleptocratic government. Like the terminator, but with theft instead of all that killing.	[05:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.402 BTC [+]	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	there's nothing to steal in the us.	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	apple doesn't repatriate it's currency holdings. nobody else is. there's literally nothing there, you can steal the real estate if you wish the hassle of running it	[05:10]
dub	untrue	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	which by now through regulation costs more than it's worth anyway.	[05:10]
dub	america is vitally important for one thing	[05:10]
dub	they drink bourbon	[05:11]
BingoBoingo	Well there's still fields full of chemistry products.	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	so te plan is for a robocleptocratic bourbon heistin' government ?	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	sort of like the pirates except not with rum ?	[05:11]
dub	we need them to dispose of it too, nobody else will drink it	[05:11]
BingoBoingo	Well it only seems like the end of the line for the US's current unholy marriage of socialism, surveillance, military robots, and IT contractors who can't make web sites.	[05:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 25 @ 0.0646 = 1.615 BTC [+] {2}	[05:13]
nubbins`	lel	[05:13]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/moose-eating-shark-rescued-in-newfoundland-harbour-1.2434102	[05:13]
ozbot	Moose-eating shark rescued in Newfoundland harbour - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News	[05:13]
nubbins`	the b'ys found a shark choking on a moose carcass	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	wow.	[05:15]
dub	stuff you can't make up #38575345	[05:15]
dub	Chaulk said another local man, Jeremy Ball, arrived on the scene and starting pulling on the moose chunk. Shark rescue Jeremy Ball of Norris Arm North, N.L., moves the beached shark into deeper water. "A couple yanks and it just came right out."	[05:16]
nubbins`	turns out sharks like moose, too ;(	[05:17]
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nubbins`	or uh, what do you guys call them in europe?	[05:19]
nubbins`	elk?	[05:19]
asciilifeform	on the contrary, there is plenty to steal from a decaying superpower. witness the 'cable contains no copper!' (dirty lie!) signs that have popped up at construction sites.	[05:19]
asciilifeform	just as rebar was 'mined' from soviet missile bases.	[05:19]
asciilifeform	(and iron from manhole covers.)	[05:19]
asciilifeform	and virtually anything you might think of as stationary, can be dismantled and sold, if the will is there	[05:20]
nubbins`	i know a couple of guys who always seem to come across loads of copper wire	[05:20]
nubbins`	the trick, i'm told, is to burn it in a gasoline fire in a barrel to remove the plastic coating	[05:20]
asciilifeform	quite a few of the 'underwater' houses in the u.s. are, unknown to their 'owners,' husks that have been stripped of wire, pipes...	[05:21]
nubbins`	makes sense	[05:22]
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asciilifeform	daring thieves have been attaching trucks to live (!) high voltage transformers, and driving off.	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i suppose it'd be elk, but elk is small	[05:24]
asciilifeform	(it is kept out of the national papers, but you'll find it if you know where to look - local news.)	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so you're going to make a pile of vinyl siding ? grand.	[05:25]
dub	asciilifeform: kinda like hte nigerians stealing natural gas out of high pressure pipelines and blowing up whole villages	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	dub no, that's romanians.	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	magistral pipeline going through gypsy encampments loses about 1 milibar per mile.	[05:25]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: moose are pretty big. there's also another animal here called the elk which is apparently 100% unrelated to the european ones	[05:26]
nubbins`	so who knows	[05:26]
asciilifeform	dub: there's metals theft for plebes, and nicer things for the nobles (vanishing scientific equipment, war machines, piles of precious metals and still not entirely-worthless currency)	[05:26]
dub	I still say old bourbon barrels to age scotch is is a better use case	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i dunno. some people stole soviet nuke subs. so what of it.	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	the only way theft is worth it is if you steal the various factories/other means of production just as the new regime is coming into power.	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	otherwise, stealing as the old regime is dieing is pure harpagon nonsense	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	the problem with this, of course, is that the us produces exactly nothing.	[05:27]
asciilifeform	or if you'd just like to be loaded at your new destination, a still-functioning locale	[05:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00078903 = 14.3603 BTC [-] {3}	[05:28]
asciilifeform	the people who made off with what remained of the ussr are quite happy campers in london, paris, etc. last i checked.	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	happy campers, ie m,iddle class.	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	they could have gotten three a thousand different ways	[05:29]
asciilifeform	middle class - and alive.	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	i'm just saying, it's nothing to write a bio about.	[05:29]
asciilifeform	the results are considerably more felt on the 'giving' than the 'receiving' end.	[05:30]
nubbins`	hey, speaking of london and paris! i'm visiting europe next summer	[05:30]
asciilifeform	try driving over missing manhole covers.	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform def a problem, that. but i believe in just punishment.	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	this is where i remind of	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	;;google trilema conference 2nd edition	[05:31]
gribble	What Can The President Do When Congress Gives Him a “Trilemma ...: ; monroe freedman's solution to the criminal defense lawyer - Hofstra ...: ; Financial (1 more message)	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	omfg the fail that i am.	[05:31]
nubbins`	autocorrect got ya	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	;;google site:trilema.com conference 2nd edition	[05:31]
gribble	No matches found.	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	0.o	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	https://www.google.com/search?q=trilema.com+conference+2nd+edition&complete=0	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	am i the only one seeing the article as top result there ?	[05:32]
nubbins`	#1 for me	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	i wonder wtf gribble.	[05:32]
kakobrekla	#3	[05:32]
nubbins`	site:trilema.com conference 2nd edition returns nothing tho	[05:32]
nubbins`	2nd vs second, algos, amirite?	[05:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 10 @ 0.17 = 1.7 BTC [+]	[05:35]
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Tulak_	greetings	[05:43]
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kakobrekla	hi	[05:44]
pankkake	not sure he had the time to get that ;;later tell	[05:45]
kakobrekla	oh hes gone	[05:45]
kakobrekla	i gots parts and quits disabled	[05:45]
kakobrekla	and joins	[05:45]
kakobrekla	and whatnot	[05:45]
pankkake	I got them disabled in the activity indicator but not in windows	[05:46]
pankkake	that would be too confusing	[05:46]
kakobrekla	i like confusing	[05:46]
kakobrekla	thats why i start to watch the movies in the middle	[05:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.12 = 0.24 BTC [-]	[05:46]
kakobrekla	and then watch the first part on the end if the second is any good	[05:46]
pankkake	you miss relevant info like smidge [smidge@p4FDCECAF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: sorry,but you've mistaken me for someone who gives a fuck...]	[05:47]
kakobrekla	heh	[05:47]
nubbins`	just the sort of guy you want to do business with	[05:47]
pankkake	just got a pm "I love how you literally took a shit, and wiped it all over OP's face."	[05:48]
nubbins`	heh	[05:48]
pankkake	my life is worthwile!	[05:48]
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KRS-	I'm with you pankkake!	[05:49]
KRS-	yup..making trades =D	[05:49]
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KRS-	I have a diversified portfolio...that BTC-e trollbox should be pay per view subscription its so entertaining lol	[05:51]
nubbins`	diversity!	[05:51]
pankkake	if you only have bitcoins you're a coincist?	[05:52]
pankkake	so now without XBOND I don't know how to make more bitcoins out of my bitcoins	[05:52]
KRS-	<3 XBOND	[05:53]
pankkake	what should one do?	[05:53]
pankkake	I'm listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecN84dNfU-U probably the worst idea given that I should go to sleep	[05:53]
pankkake	but that doesn't make more bitcoins	[05:53]
pankkake	I don't have many needs	[05:55]
mike_c	bitcoins aren't fiat, you don't need moar! they don't lose value!	[05:56]
KRS-	This is for my Federal friends out there watchin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyt1hEN7wTA	[05:56]
nubbins`	you always need more	[05:57]
mike_c	then i recommend the simona halep bitbet. free money.	[05:57]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.1834346 = 1.4675 BTC [-] {3}	[05:58]
pankkake	actually I already can buy myself my ultimate fantasy right now (10 TB of solid state storage)	[05:59]
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mike_c	wow. the mttf on that must be measured in seconds	[06:00]
pankkake	I'm accounting for enough RAID	[06:00]
mike_c	that would be very fun	[06:00]
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KRS-	=/	[06:01]
KRS-	its cool we all have our own thing	[06:01]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` https://www.google.com/search?q=site:trilema.com+conference+2nd+edition+returns+nothing+tho&complete=0 gives me anonimity not forp the poor lol	[06:01]
pankkake	I probably own more than 30 hard drives already. don't know what I'm going to do with the old ones	[06:01]
pankkake	those things are heavy	[06:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 408 @ 0.00209292 = 0.8539 BTC [+] {2}	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	KRS- someone should make a "now in bitshits&coingiggles"	[06:03]
mircea_popescu	and just live 24/7 to copy-paste the lulzy drama and whatnot	[06:03]
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thestringpuller	;;ticker	[06:03]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 734.10001, Best ask: 734.18174, Bid-ask spread: 0.08173, Last trade: 734.18174, 24 hour volume: 37926.58615795, 24 hour low: 602.00001, 24 hour high: 784.4444, 24 hour vwap: 714.74625	[06:03]
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thestringpuller	!ticker m s.mpoe	[06:04]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0007725 / 0.00078853 / 0.00083076 (425473 shares, 335.50 BTC), 7D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082562 / 0.00085604 (1742109 shares, 1,438.33 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082829 / 0.00088996 (4600300 shares, 3,810.41 BTC)	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	amazing ipo	[06:04]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[06:04]
KRS-	LOL mircea_popescu..wonder if anyone would give a shiggigle.	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	o wow it dipped all the way to 77 huh	[06:04]
thestringpuller	amazing ipo	[06:04]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[06:04]
thestringpuller	HAHAHAHA	[06:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.402 BTC [+]	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	KRS- prolly...	[06:05]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell bingoboingo so, earlier today i spent ~5 dollars (~1 ltc ?) in exchange for about 2 pounds of prime portobello which i've just fried in corn oil.	[06:05]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[06:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.0020948 = 0.2053 BTC [+]	[06:07]
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pankkake	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk	[06:09]
ozbot	"Fear the Boom and Bust" a Hayek vs. Keynes Rap Anthem - YouTube	[06:09]
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KRS-	lol pankkake	[06:11]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.405 = 0.81 BTC [+]	[06:14]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.407 = 1.221 BTC [+]	[06:17]
pankkake	and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTQnarzmTOc :)	[06:18]
KRS-	these aint bad quite entertaining	[06:19]
KRS-	would have been great vids to watch during my college economics classes	[06:19]
dub	corn oil?	[06:20]
KRS-	i breezed through those classes for some reasonit all made sense to me	[06:20]
pankkake	probably more informative than any economics classes I took	[06:20]
dub	that straya cunt guy is pretty good on philosophy	[06:21]
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pankkake	"The economy's not a class you can master in college. To think otherwise is the pretense of knowledge." BOOM	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	yay.	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	is this stoya ?	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	a hayek.	[06:24]
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pankkake	well, fake hayek	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	it'd be so cool if someone paid some of the better whores to go on cam doing this sort of shit	[06:25]
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pankkake	there's already Naked News	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	"stoya debating donna"	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	ya but...	[06:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 22 @ 0.03989449 = 0.8777 BTC [+] {2}	[06:28]
pankkake	pornstars probably know more about economics than the average tv expert	[06:28]
mircea_popescu	especially those whose names i know.	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	anyway, wunderbar production this.	[06:34]
pankkake	they will soon ask to be paid in bitcoins	[06:40]
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pankkake	pretty much any tech	[06:41]
mircea_popescu	"Did you hear about the Obama Happy meal? You may order anything you wish, and the guy behind you is required to pay for it."	[06:41]
pankkake	also deciding the winner of vhs vs. betamax	[06:41]
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mircea_popescu	it isnt what it used to be tho.	[06:43]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 265 @ 0.00385102 = 1.0205 BTC [-] {3}	[06:44]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.003851 = 1.1553 BTC [-]	[06:46]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0020939 = 0.2094 BTC [-]	[06:58]
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mircea_popescu	Tulak_ wb.	[07:01]
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KRS-	LOL @ Obama Happy meal good one!	[07:01]
Tulak_	mornin	[07:01]
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Tulak_	bitcointalk turns into a comedy	[07:02]
nubbins`	comedy > tragedy	[07:03]
Tulak_	so many topics open with 0.0X btc loaning	[07:03]
Tulak_	true dat	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	i looked into the gambling section report yest for the first time in about two months	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	and took that section off the reporting orders.	[07:04]
Tulak_	ah mircea !	[07:04]
pankkake	gambling section is full of people looking for 0.00001 free btc	[07:04]
Tulak_	the prophet :)	[07:04]
pankkake	actually I wonder what are the use cases for borrowing in btc	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	i'm just an asshole.	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	pankkake there's a market for fantasy rape. same people.	[07:05]
nubbins`	heh	[07:05]
pankkake	there are some. I lent to one guy who wanted to buy something quickly (probably drugs but what do I care) and was waiting for mtgox	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[07:06]
nubbins`	probably the only legit use	[07:06]
pankkake	he repaid me after btc went up 5×. lesson learned	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	just for fun i went through all the fiat-based deals where people wanted to ipo in bitcoin cca 2012 and i talked them out of it.	[07:07]
pankkake	well you also can't easily borrow millions without telling your banker what it's for	[07:07]
mircea_popescu	"well done, your company went up 5x in 2 years in fiat. that means only a 90% loss for your bitcoin investors!!1"	[07:08]
nubbins`	rentalstarter	[07:09]
nubbins`	i fucked up an entire batch of wedding invitations today, feels bad	[07:10]
pankkake	offer them a free print for the divorce	[07:10]
nubbins`	well i obv didn't deliver them yet :P	[07:10]
nubbins`	"here, sorry"	[07:10]
nubbins`	gotta start again from scratch	[07:10]
nubbins`	this time, i'll probably pay closer attention	[07:11]
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Tulak_	re	[07:17]
nubbins`	re	[07:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.405 BTC [-]	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	til "Bitbet owner is a slimy fuck that is the definition of elitist"	[07:18]
Tulak_	mircea_popescu, are you mpoe-pr on talk?	[07:19]
mircea_popescu	henceforth i shall be refered to as either mp in the direct or "the definition of elitist" in the euphemistic.	[07:19]
mircea_popescu	Tulak_ no, mpoe-pr is teh girl.	[07:19]
Tulak_	so your wife	[07:19]
nubbins`	heh	[07:19]
mircea_popescu	i ain't married.	[07:19]
Tulak_	good job	[07:20]
nubbins`	mp is like oprah	[07:20]
Tulak_	dont	[07:20]
nubbins`	he has a lifelong relationship with a man named steadman whom he refuses to marry	[07:20]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/the-stuff-all-good-conspiracy-theories-start-with/ < she's the chick on the 2nd pic, in red. works for mpoe/mpex	[07:20]
ozbot	The stuff all good conspiracy theories start with pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[07:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.39 = 1.17 BTC [-]	[07:21]
Tulak_	holy mother! the knockers	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	some girls are fortunate.	[07:22]
Tulak_	guess ill have to stay here now	[07:22]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` oprah actually refuses to marry someone ?	[07:23]
Tulak_	so these people showed me yesterday why this is a better place to be than btctalk	[07:23]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: wouldn't you?	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i would refuse to marry her, yes.	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	tho i WOULD take her down 42nd street in latex and a leash.	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	imagine the ratings!	[07:24]
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Tulak_	whats the bitbet topic all about?	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	!topic	[07:24]
nubbins`	hm, she apparently dated roger ebert in the 80s!	[07:24]
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mircea_popescu	what bitbet topic ?	[07:25]
nubbins`	the one that calls you slimy i guess	[07:25]
Tulak_	where this guy complains that he lost 10btc	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	o. i dunno, some guy.	[07:26]
Tulak_	because he sent without txfee and on closing of bet lol	[07:26]
Tulak_	mpoe-pr is going berserk	[07:26]
Tulak_	and i like some naughty girl action	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	this happens every time bitcoin perks up. buncha consumers get sucked in by the irresponsible media hype, then they get hurt.	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	somehow groking that bitcoin isn't a consumer affair is hard, and too many losers pushing it as such for lack of a clue.	[07:27]
Tulak_	and leave eventually	[07:27]
Tulak_	people would never handle 100000$ in such a carefree attitude, but sending 200 btc here and there	[07:28]
Tulak_	morons	[07:28]
Tulak_	oh well	[07:29]
mircea_popescu	well, bitcoin is bitcoin. the fiat part... whatever.	[07:29]
mircea_popescu	basically people buying it on the exchanges are exactly like the players buying game goods/toons on the illegal markets in most games	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	sure, they get whatever sword. but they didn't EARN it so they have no idea what is what	[07:30]
nubbins`	^	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	they get killed, looted, whatever. as per game rules.	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	then they wish to whine to somebody. well... dohn't fucking buy it, mine it like everyone else.	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	it's not a currency.	[07:30]
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mircea_popescu	http://lo.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/comments/1loy1u/is_labcoin_a_ponzi_scheme_bitbet_thinks_so/	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	look what teh ppls dredged up.	[07:36]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla you'll prolly enjoy the comments.	[07:36]
nubbins`	http://www.networkworld.com/news/2013/112113-sc13-gpus-would-make-terrific-276246.html	[07:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.388 = 3.492 BTC [-] {2}	[07:39]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading	[11:21]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Sun Sep 29 03:06:59 2013	[11:21]
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kakobrekla	moaning	[11:54]
kakobrekla	heya	[11:55]
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kakobrekla	:)	[11:58]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla hey.	[12:02]
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kakobrekla	heya	[12:03]
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KRS-	i know you guys like max keiser but he sure seems like an idiot with an ego	[12:12]
KRS-	i worked for a guy like him and i could see through him like i had xray vision	[12:13]
KRS-	just wait til he becomes your enemy =/	[12:13]
mircea_popescu	KRS- wait, when did us guys liked him ?	[12:13]
mircea_popescu	he's a tool lol.	[12:14]
KRS-	he is a tool for sure..idk..people in btc seem to love him..he just seems to like whatever gets him attention.	[12:15]
tulak_	mircea!	[12:18]
mircea_popescu	KRS- you're exactly correct. also : http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-noobs-learn-lessons-and-pay-for-the-privilege/	[12:18]
KRS-	i remember when this article came out..at the time i think it was ahead of the times, especially ahead of my comprehension..reading again...for sure ahead of my understanding at the time. ahh what i wouldnt do to rewind this shit back to apr.	[12:20]
KRS-	Nice to know I'm in the same company with folks that can not only think outside the box, the norm, but also above average intelligence and certianly not other lemmings.	[12:22]
mircea_popescu	that's too much, i'll take half.	[12:23]
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KRS-	damn i gotta get some rest some time tonight	[12:25]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/incredibly-popular-delusions-of-the-crowd-and-the-pernicious-role-of-government/	[12:28]
ozbot	Incredibly popular delusions of the crowd and the pernicious role of government. pe Trilema - Un blo	[12:28]
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KRS-	kickass blog dude..not sure if everoyne's ready for it all or not haha..kinda like nosuchlabs..which is maybe 10-15 yrs ahead of its time..I could be way wrong there though.. Ok..last cigarette before i retire to another episode of "Breaking Bad".	[12:31]
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mircea_popescu	later.	[12:32]
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KRS-	nite or uh morning (here)	[12:33]
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deadweasel	;;ticker	[14:49]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 760.21008, Best ask: 764.0, Bid-ask spread: 3.78992, Last trade: 760.21008, 24 hour volume: 40265.64503467, 24 hour low: 677.0, 24 hour high: 784.4444, 24 hour vwap: 731.87595	[14:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 3240 @ 0.000475 = 1.539 BTC [-]	[16:00]
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ThePickingPair	Finally know what to spend my btc on - https://twitter.com/richardbranson/statuses/403875534339203073	[16:03]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 4901 @ 0.00045515 = 2.2307 BTC [-] {2}	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=338274.0	[16:07]
ozbot	[WARNING] BitPay pocketing over $1000 from me.	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	I think it's insane that BitPay cannot repay my whole 4 BTC back, after all they are damn revolved around bitcoin.	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	I feel jipped that BitPay stole over $1000 from me.	[16:08]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.0037 = 0.1036 BTC [-]	[16:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.003799 = 0.1102 BTC [+]	[16:14]
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ThickAsThieves	that thread makes no sense	[16:18]
ThickAsThieves	people want refunds in bitcoins now?	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves they FEEEEEE EEEEELLLL they	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	're entitled.	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	why not ?	[16:20]
deadweasel	feeeeeeelings. noooothing but feeeeelingss........	[16:20]
ThickAsThieves	thats seems like the question he should be asking is why not	[16:20]
ThickAsThieves	anger, use it or lose it	[16:21]
ThickAsThieves	~ Mr. T	[16:21]
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mircea_popescu	anyway. as i said, worst wave.	[16:25]
ThickAsThieves	what do we use as body shields?	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	anyway, my takeaway from that thread is that the sandman or w/e guy that was derping all over the bitbet thread nad being used by mpoe-pr for anvil dropping practice	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	now suddenly appreciates how business works and so forth.	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	maybe he can't admit she taught him a lot, but nevertheless she has and it's quite visible.	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	education through violence and humilation works.	[16:26]
deadweasel	some people break through, some people bounce off and have to try again.	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	bouncy ball!	[16:28]
ThickAsThieves	so the answer is to be hold our ground and educate any nearby monsters with insults and smacks to the back of the head?	[16:28]
ThickAsThieves	could work	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	it's been my policy so far.	[16:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.003799 = 0.152 BTC [+] {3}	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	1. make sure you have a motherfucking point ; 2. explain it to anyone asking / willing to listen ; 3. beat the shit out of anyone not wanting to listen.	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	it's what makes a country great, it's what'll make the country of bitcoin	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	evil laughter	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	TAKE OVER THE WORLD	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	/evil laughter	[16:29]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[16:29]
ThickAsThieves	Saint Mircea	[16:30]
ThickAsThieves	maybe theyll Saint us in the end	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	no cause i get too many bjs	[16:30]
ThickAsThieves	diff kinda Saints	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	so what, simon templar gets to act me in the made for tv movie ?	[16:31]
ThickAsThieves	you would be played by Kramer onb	[16:31]
ThickAsThieves	obv*	[16:31]
ThickAsThieves	no	[16:31]
ThickAsThieves	Jerry	[16:31]
ThickAsThieves	def Jerry	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	i don't think either are scary enough.	[16:31]
ThickAsThieves	its his turning point in acting	[16:32]
ThickAsThieves	a grittier seinfield	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	lol. come watch derpy jewboy turn into al pacino over here!	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	the seinface.	[16:32]
ThickAsThieves	i'd like to be played by benicio del toro plz	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	not bad. maybe madonna's hubby directs	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	the cuts will look like freenode join/part storm on a bad day	[16:33]
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mircea_popescu	totally unrelated : 20 hour gamma burst. http://www.csmonitor.com/layout/set/r14/Science/2013/1121/Scientists-witness-massive-gamma-ray-burst-don-t-understand-it	[16:34]
thestringpuller	jurov: what are the additional fees (besides mpex) on coinbr trades?	[16:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 31 @ 0.39924096 = 12.3765 BTC [+] {4}	[16:35]
thestringpuller	just msg me the answer	[16:35]
ThickAsThieves	oh did i leave on the Weather Machine again?	[16:35]
ThickAsThieves	sorry	[16:35]
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ThickAsThieves	cnn now using all caps in headlines	[16:36]
ThickAsThieves	awesome	[16:36]
ThickAsThieves	THE DAY CAMELOT FELL - FROZEN IN MEMORY	[16:37]
ThickAsThieves	Remembering the day JFK was killed	[16:37]
ThickAsThieves	"As his convertible rolled through Dallas, three shots rang out, their echoes lodging in our memories for years to come."	[16:37]
ThickAsThieves	other gems	[16:38]
ThickAsThieves	"Is Harry Potter stamp un-American?"	[16:38]
ThickAsThieves	X-Men' character comes out	[16:38]
ThickAsThieves	How you travel to North Korea	[16:38]
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ThickAsThieves	we got Branson	[16:39]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.virgin.com/richard-branson/bitcoins-in-space	[16:39]
ozbot	Bitcoins in space - Virgin.com	[16:39]
ThickAsThieves	"One future astronaut, a female flight attendant from Hawaii, has already purchased her Virgin Galactic ticket using bitcoins, and we expect many more to follow in her footsteps. "	[16:40]
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ThickAsThieves	he's the one that caused the rally	[16:41]
thestringpuller	is there another rally?	[16:42]
ThickAsThieves	well he had to buy the coins before his announcement of course	[16:43]
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Duffer1	"Bitcoin... one of the world’s most innovative businesses "	[17:00]
Duffer1	lol	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	"the internet.... the world's most confused place"	[17:00]
kleeck	"The world.... the universe's most confused place"	[17:01]
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mircea_popescu	"one of the places - one of the place's most one place"	[17:02]
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deadweasel	I don't know development, but thought someone here might like this: https://github.com/cloudflare/redoctober	[17:07]
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mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/tKNF73E.gif	[17:09]
taub	whats up with bitstamp prices exploding like that	[17:09]
taub	bad news?	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	what do you mean ?	[17:11]
kleeck	Why would bad news drive the price up?	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	and how is it up ? 780ish or w/e	[17:12]
kleeck	People want more Bitcoins?	[17:13]
mike_c	that is ath for bitstamp	[17:13]
kleeck	Yes. and now it is leading Gox.	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	maybe they also stopped doing payouts ?	[17:13]
mike_c	hah	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	more like it, someone did a larger arb with the azn mkt	[17:14]
ThickAsThieves	i blame Branson	[17:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.12599795 BTC [+]	[17:14]
jurov	we had some group on fb organizing arb via singapore	[17:14]
jurov	not following on them, but there was interest	[17:15]
mike_c	i bet there was. "you send me bitcoin, i promise I'll send back the yuan. double promise!"	[17:15]
thestringpuller	jurov: did you get my msg?	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	you can't really send yuan that much	[17:16]
jurov	thestringpuller: looks like not	[17:16]
taub	kleeck> Why would bad news drive the price up?	[17:17]
taub	stopping payments/clsoing down etc, people buying what they can to gtfo	[17:17]
taub	just surprised to see a 5% surge and not really anything on the other exchanges	[17:17]
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taub	;;premium mtgox bitstamp	[17:17]
gribble	Premium of MtGox over Bitstamp is currently -0.899390944166 %.	[17:17]
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Duffer1	that's crazy	[17:18]
Duffer1	why would anyone stay on gox now?	[17:18]
bloctoc	last time bitstamp lead gox was right before it broke away from $350 wasn't it?	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	becayse they're mostly mtgox ?	[17:19]
Duffer1	ya that sounds about right bloc	[17:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1500 @ 0.00391169 = 5.8675 BTC [+] {13}	[17:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 483 @ 0.00399649 = 1.9303 BTC [+] {7}	[17:20]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00078614 = 9.2765 BTC [-]	[17:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MG] 5000 @ 0.00013 = 0.65 BTC [-]	[17:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.NSA] 2500 @ 0.0001011 = 0.2528 BTC [-]	[17:48]
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mircea_popescu	!t m s.nsa	[17:53]
assbot	[MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0.0001011 / 0.0001011 / 0.0001011 (2500 shares, 0.25 BTC), 7D: 0.0001011 / 0.00011219 / 0.00015 (160037 shares, 17.96 BTC), 30D: 0.0001011 / 0.00013223 / 0.000235 (197447 shares, 26.11 BTC)	[17:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1820 @ 0.00078373 = 1.4264 BTC [-]	[17:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 7 @ 0.17 = 1.19 BTC [+]	[17:54]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 261 @ 0.00409999 = 1.0701 BTC [+] {3}	[17:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.0398711 = 0.1994 BTC [+] {2}	[17:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.NSA] 2500 @ 0.000105 = 0.2625 BTC [+]	[17:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MG] 5000 @ 0.00012659 = 0.633 BTC [-] {2}	[18:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [+]	[18:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 29 @ 0.03989899 = 1.1571 BTC [+]	[18:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.0406 = 0.2842 BTC [+]	[18:03]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MG] 5050 @ 0.00012418 = 0.6271 BTC [-] {3}	[18:10]
pankkake	that reddit/labcoin/bitbet link is gold. keeping it for future reference	[18:10]
mike_c	i'm going to start a website that "explains" all price movements and become rich. like "mpoe just dropped as people realized the owner has a fondness for poisonous psychoactive mushrooms"	[18:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.NSA] 273113 @ 0.000105 = 28.6769 BTC [+]	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	mike_c you're kinda late to that party tho, by now my picture is more widely affixed to dictionary entries than goldstein	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	's	[18:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.NSA] 4387 @ 0.000105 = 0.4606 BTC [+]	[18:13]
mike_c	whoa. that was a significant chunk of s.nsa float. 7%	[18:14]
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mike_c	is that a 1984 reference? nice.	[18:16]
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mircea_popescu	:p	[18:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.4 = 3.6 BTC [+]	[18:26]
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deadweasel	pankkake, just caught up, can't believe it kept going...	[18:27]
pankkake	haven't yet	[18:28]
bloctoc	I just saw the branson thing. reminds me of a pic I saw a while ago of Branson kit surfing with a young naked woman on his back.	[18:28]
bloctoc	http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/524d9ea0eab8ea7a4702bf53/richard-branson-tells-us-the-story-behind-his-famous-kitesurfing-photo-with-a-naked-model.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.businessinsider.com/richard-branson-photo-naked-model-2013-10&h=599&w=1199&sz=60&tbnid=sl0H3C3DB9memM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=180&zoom=1&usg=__XngMZHqznpAN2ffIGTwuQOALDpU=&docid=vSNu6DYXxbAhbM&sa=X&ei=7IWPUv3mLMbmoASSkQI&s	[18:28]
bloctoc	qi=2&ved=0CDIQ9QEwAg	[18:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.4 = 1.2 BTC [+]	[18:28]
bloctoc	sorry - meant to do this: http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/524d9ea0eab8ea7a4702bf53/richard-branson-tells-us-the-story-behind-his-famous-kitesurfing-photo-with-a-naked-model.jpg	[18:29]
deadweasel	I guess I should have realized NSFW	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	;;google trilema gradina edenului	[18:31]
gribble	Titu Maiorescu şi filosofia modernă - Gh. Zane:	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	pff	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-gradina-edenului/	[18:31]
ozbot	NSFW Gradina Edenului pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	me:branson 4:1.	[18:31]
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bloctoc	all I could see was paywall	[18:32]
bloctoc	s.mg has some nice depth all of a sudden. Thank you rich dude!	[18:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.4 = 4 BTC [+]	[18:35]
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mircea_popescu	i recall the times 1k btc didn't make one rich	[18:40]
deadweasel	i still recall those times.	[18:42]
deadweasel	as the present.	[18:43]
tarmi	and future	[18:43]
deadweasel	for me, yes.	[18:43]
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mircea_popescu	there's no future in 1k btc poverty.	[18:43]
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mircea_popescu	sell nao.	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3676100#msg3676100 this is becoming kinda cool.	[18:44]
ozbot	BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	finally they've managed to work themselves to the actual ideological disagreement in question.	[18:44]
tarmi	there is no future, period	[18:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [-]	[18:47]
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benkay_	i got stopped cold in my tracks talking about the cardano last night	[18:49]
benkay_	question was "how open source is it?" and i completely dead-ended because how with a thing like the cardano is one supposed to a) get an idea of the code on the device, much less b) actually validate that code is there?	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	you can read the card with a reader	[18:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.39 = 3.51 BTC [-] {2}	[18:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00419999 = 0.1176 BTC [-] {3}	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133147.msg3626335#msg3626335	[18:51]
ozbot	PicoStocks, bitcoin stock exchange	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	picoscams, always good for a lol.	[18:51]
benkay_	so the cardano has a card reader built in, on which the code for the device is loaded?	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	benkay_ : well no, it uses a flash	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	oops	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	B) Cardano’s firmware. This is a socketed antifuse (OTP) ROM which is unique to your unit and is engraved with the latter’s serial number. If desired, it can be read on a common instrument sold for this purpose and its contents checksummed or otherwise perused. The checksum of your firmware ROM is printed on the bottom of the chassis, under the unit’s serial number. For your safety, this ROM is non-reprogrammable	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	. Please contact us for upgrades.	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/	[18:54]
ozbot	S.NSA first product - The Cardano pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[18:54]
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benkay_	and the software that performs decryption/signatures? open for inspection?	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	this'd be the firmware.	[18:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3650 @ 0.00066 = 2.409 BTC [+] {2}	[19:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1486 @ 0.00066 = 0.9808 BTC [+] {5}	[19:01]
pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg3676193#msg3676193 to the moon(?)	[19:02]
ozbot	ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It	[19:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 14850 @ 0.00066 = 9.801 BTC [+] {4}	[19:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 451 @ 0.00066 = 0.2977 BTC [+] {4}	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	i feel we need a channel mascot girl, who could moon for us.	[19:03]
benkay_	implying firmware on device will be unobfuscated?	[19:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1500 @ 0.00066 = 0.99 BTC [+]	[19:04]
ThickAsThieves	So AM 28nm tape out in 2mos	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	afaik there's no plans to obfuscate it.	[19:04]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves bet you against that ?	[19:05]
ThickAsThieves	hmm	[19:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 110 @ 0.41201619 = 45.3218 BTC [+] {15}	[19:05]
ThickAsThieves	its hard NOT to bet against miners	[19:05]
ThickAsThieves	but how do you resolve a tape out bet	[19:05]
ThickAsThieves	probly need to wait	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[19:06]
ThickAsThieves	make the bet like AM ships gen3 products before Mar 20	[19:06]
ThickAsThieves	or such	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if mining manufacturers are by now screening their released copy to bitbetproof it.	[19:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 54 @ 0.45212961 = 24.415 BTC [+] {4}	[19:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.004199 = 0.1008 BTC [-]	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves how about april 1st ?	[19:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00419905 = 0.3359 BTC [+] {2}	[19:07]
ThickAsThieves	nah, thats when mtgox adds litecoin remember	[19:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 650 @ 0.00066 = 0.429 BTC [+] {3}	[19:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00380101 = 0.1064 BTC [-] {2}	[19:08]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 521 @ 0.00066 = 0.3439 BTC [+] {3}	[19:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 246 @ 0.00419989 = 1.0332 BTC [+] {2}	[19:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1001 BTC [-]	[19:09]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 6000 @ 0.00066 = 3.96 BTC [+]	[19:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 158 @ 0.0042853 = 0.6771 BTC [+] {3}	[19:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.22899999 BTC [-]	[19:10]
benkay	mircea_popescu: will cardano code be available for inspection?	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	didn't i just say that ?	[19:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 450 @ 0.00066 = 0.297 BTC [+] {2}	[19:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.49007499 = 5.8809 BTC [+] {5}	[19:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 733 @ 0.00066 = 0.4838 BTC [+] {2}	[19:13]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 52 @ 0.00420347 = 0.2186 BTC [+] {4}	[19:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.040625 = 0.325 BTC [+] {2}	[19:14]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.04099997 = 0.492 BTC [+] {2}	[19:15]
benkay	not in as dumb words as i need	[19:16]
benkay	hard experience has taught me to keep asking questions until the implicit answers match the explicit ones	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	i don't see how a blackbox item would be useful or practical.	[19:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.46033333 = 9.667 BTC [-] {4}	[19:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00424909 = 0.4249 BTC [-] {2}	[19:16]
benkay	and i'd rather be seen as an idiot than not ask questions and get fried for it later	[19:16]
benkay	nor i	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	now, you will need a rom reader, and the ability to grok microcode,	[19:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.46 = 15.64 BTC [-] {2}	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	but still.	[19:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 200 @ 0.00066 = 0.132 BTC [+]	[19:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00066 = 0.66 BTC [+]	[19:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1349 @ 0.00425231 = 5.7364 BTC [+] {4}	[19:18]
benkay	heh	[19:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1827 @ 0.00066 = 1.2058 BTC [+]	[19:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46 = 0.92 BTC [-]	[19:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00449974 = 0.153 BTC [+] {3}	[19:19]
benkay	and the microcode will be stashed and signed somewhere on mpex/nosuchlabs for comparison to the devices?	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	dawg you refuse to read ? "If desired, it can be read on a common instrument sold for this purpose and its contents checksummed or otherwise perused. The checksum of your firmware ROM is printed on the bottom of the chassis, under the unit’s serial number"	[19:20]
benkay	i'm doublechecking that that's the only way to get it!	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	so basically, a rom reader is like hm lets see	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	like 15 bux ?	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	if you run linux you can hash the code for free, compare to what's printed on the thing.	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	if you find a difference we damn well wish to hear about it.	[19:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.124975 = 0.4999 BTC [+] {2}	[19:24]
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benkay	i'm still wrapping my head around the mircea_popescu policy approach to things	[19:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.487 BTC [+]	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	how you mean ?	[19:25]
benkay	well american approach is to hold hands for customers	[19:26]
benkay	mircea_popescu approach is more like "fu learn tools"	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	hm	[19:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1600 @ 0.00066 = 1.056 BTC [+]	[19:26]
tarmi	well, at least, you can learn something	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	basically it induces a lot of uncertainty on your end, as in, you're not even sure what words mean so multiple restatements are actually beneficial because they'd expose errors ?	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	i can see this argument.	[19:27]
benkay	yeah i generally can't english	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	well, the best advice being, don't go ordering 1k units out of the gate :)	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	get one, see if you like it.	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	and if all you ever wanted was one, then let the bigger fishes get their prototypes first see if they like it.	[19:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 14870 @ 0.00066 = 9.8142 BTC [+]	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	hm. who'd have thunk it, this actually makes MORE sense of retail.	[19:29]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00403392 = 0.1129 BTC [-] {3}	[19:29]
benkay	holding off carries added bonus of maybe reaping benefits of large batch production efficiencies, although i imagine a large fraction of that'll be captured by nsa itself	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	also carries the risk we just go sorry, production discontinued	[19:30]
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mircea_popescu	you know, just like irl, early adopter risk/reward vs late adopter.	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	anyway benkay you've inspired me to write an article here.	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	this is deep stuff.	[19:31]
benkay	nooooo	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	nono, it's good.	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	i feel like i've learned.	[19:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1702 @ 0.00066 = 1.1233 BTC [+] {2}	[19:31]
benkay	for the first time since late nineties i'm using this handle in public and my record is going to forever be "i bitcoins derp gpg derp wat asic derp quantum!"	[19:32]
benkay	forever	[19:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 20399 @ 0.00066 = 13.4633 BTC [+] {3}	[19:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 67 @ 0.00469 = 0.3142 BTC [+] {2}	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	maybe you'll end up a saint.	[19:33]
benkay	wandering from bitcoin enclave to bitcoin enclave barefoot in a robe	[19:34]
mike_c	if that's the worst thing that happens as you learn you are better off then a lot of people (like me) who have to learn by repeatedly making costly financially errors.	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	mike_c what's your worst ?	[19:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.48866666 = 2.932 BTC [+] {3}	[19:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 250 @ 0.00066 = 0.165 BTC [+]	[19:36]
benkay	mike_c: why do you think the robe and barefoot?	[19:36]
mike_c	hehe	[19:36]
mike_c	my worst lost?	[19:36]
mike_c	*loss? well, the most recent was a few weeks ago when i sold those C200T options :)	[19:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.46033333 = 1.381 BTC [-] {2}	[19:37]
mike_c	right into the bubble! nice move! good for ~16 btc down.	[19:37]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[19:37]
deadweasel	mike_c, I got Lyme disease, arthritic symptoms so bad I couldn't hit the clutch on my truck, traded in and up for 4runner, sold my last bitcoins at ...... dun dun dun	[19:39]
deadweasel	80	[19:39]
deadweasel	to say nothing of the psychological effects I was suffering.	[19:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 77606 @ 0.00066 = 51.22 BTC [+]	[19:40]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00066 = 0.66 BTC [+]	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	was that you that day? when you quit bitcoin in IRC and went like "that's it, i'm out!"	[19:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10000 @ 0.00066 = 6.6 BTC [+]	[19:44]
mike_c	deadweasel: ouch. luckily, we are all in early enough to recover from our mistakes.	[19:48]
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deadweasel	I'd like to think so. :)	[19:49]
deadweasel	ThickAsThieves: could be, psychological effects of spirochetes boring throuhg your brain can be quite dramatic.	[19:49]
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deadweasel	in fact, my entire personality could be teh product of parasites, who knows.	[19:50]
deadweasel	american doctors certainly don't.	[19:50]
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mircea_popescu	benkay http://trilema.com/2013/today-ive-learned/	[19:53]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.125005 = 0.25 BTC [-]	[19:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 441 @ 0.00066 = 0.2911 BTC [+] {2}	[19:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00468625 = 0.1125 BTC [-] {2}	[19:55]
mike_c	re: hot coffee. i took a biz law class once, and this lawyer came in and convinced us all that the mcdonalds coffee woman was correct. it was impressive.	[19:55]
benkay	daww what are you doing capitalizing my shit	[19:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 88501 @ 0.00066 = 58.4107 BTC [+] {2}	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	mike_c i can convince you of anything you want.	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	that doesn't really mean so much	[19:56]
benkay	mircea_popescu: youtube link not so much?	[19:56]
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mircea_popescu	i hate youtube. tjhey keep taking vids off	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	then i end up with linkrot	[19:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 356 @ 0.00066 = 0.235 BTC [+]	[19:57]
mike_c	argument is this: 1) 170 degree coffee is blazing hot enough for anyone. 2) mcdonalds deliberately made their coffee 180 degree so they could advertise "we have hottest coffee" 3) this was irresponsible and caused big harm (woman burned uterus and couldn't have kids)	[19:58]
mike_c	better stated of course by slick lawyer	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	except "irresponsible" is an undefined symbol ready to take any content, and what woman did to herself is her damned problem	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	who says what is "enough for anyone" ?	[19:59]
mike_c	he made a good analogy to paint stripper	[19:59]
deadweasel	Actually, it was determined that they pushed the extra 10-20 degrees because the smell carried an extra few blocks, bringing in more customers.	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	mike_c let's hear it	[19:59]
deadweasel	as I learned it	[19:59]
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mike_c	how paint stripper works at 170 parts per million, but company kept pushing the content for advertising "strongest", even though they know people open their paint stripper with a screwdriver and will sometimes spill it on themselves.	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	deadweasel someone deriving a benefit from their activity does not immediately create a right to realocation towards random bystanders.	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	mike_c "they know" is irrelevant. they don't give a shit.	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	nor should they. not their job to "know"?	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	i don	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	't want apple telling me how to "safely" use my computer,	[20:01]
deadweasel	you do if it's filled with lava.	[20:01]
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mircea_popescu	and it's not paint stripper's maker's job to "know" what i do with it	[20:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1006 @ 0.00066 = 0.664 BTC [+] {2}	[20:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.18705001 = 0.5612 BTC [-]	[20:01]
deadweasel	i mean, at least read the manual for the lava apple pc	[20:01]
deadweasel	Powered by Lava	[20:01]
mike_c	reverse side is that they were solely making it stronger (and more dangerous) to increase their marketing effectiveness. seems this behavior should be curbed by someone.	[20:02]
asciilifeform	i still don't get it. coffee is 100C at STP, max.	[20:02]
asciilifeform	no way around it.	[20:02]
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mike_c	170, 180F	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	mike_c yes. by THE MARKET.	[20:03]
tarmi	why would anyone drink coffee at mcdonalds? thats the worst coffee I have ever tried	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	maybe i was driving all across town for the 180f coffee cause my cock liked the temp.	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	now i can't have it cause retard woman ? fuck that.	[20:04]
mike_c	but NOBODY wanted 180 degree coffee	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	maybe the stronger paint stripper cleans my bath tub just perfect.	[20:04]
deadweasel	sue for your chilled cock	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	...	[20:04]
abillionhorses	Will anyone here sell me their ActiveMining shares?	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	mike_c what's this, you either sue or don't exist ?	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	great for lawyers.	[20:04]
mike_c	that's the point. it was not for the benefit of ANY consumer	[20:04]
mike_c	just the company marketing campaign	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	how in the heck did your slick lawyer prove the negative ?	[20:04]
mike_c	slick lawyers don't have to prove, just convince.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	still. a negative can never be a basis here.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	benkay try youtue link nao.	[20:05]
mike_c	not a negative if mcdonalds admits it was not for customer benefit	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	macdonalds' have to be incredibly poorly counselled to do that.	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	seeing how it can't be a fact, no matter who claims it	[20:07]
mike_c	or careless and 'admitted' it in internal memos, etc.	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	so why make claims with no factual basis that are also against your economic interest.	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	internal memos. pshhh.	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	the classical case of the "internal memos" bs is the ford pinto.	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	it turned out that the "internal memos" were not either internal or memos. regulator mandated.	[20:07]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1379 @ 0.00066 = 0.9101 BTC [+] {2}	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform here's a fun story : one summer @seaside i dug thriough so much sand to make castles i separated the quick of my nail, and infection bred.	[20:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1012 @ 0.00066 = 0.6679 BTC [+] {2}	[20:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.033 = 0.264 BTC [-] {2}	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	alcohol did nothing, rivanol did nothing, eventually my mother heated water to boiling and i stuck my finger in there repeatedly.	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	she couldn't quite believe it, but by the next day my nail was fine.	[20:11]
abillionhorses	that woman that spilled hot coffee on herself from mcdonalds actually skalded herself and had to get skin graphs etc and it was an older woman...she had a lot of reasons to sew actually	[20:11]
abillionhorses	sue...lol	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	abillionhorses need does not constitute a basis here.	[20:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2629 @ 0.00066 = 1.7351 BTC [+] {4}	[20:11]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4953 @ 0.0007725 = 3.8262 BTC [-]	[20:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.032734 = 0.1637 BTC [-] {3}	[20:11]
abillionhorses	whats that supposed to mean	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	it means that it makes no difference how much trouble the woman got herself into.	[20:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.18705001 BTC [-]	[20:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3475 @ 0.00066 = 2.2935 BTC [+]	[20:12]
abillionhorses	haha ok well 180 is a little hot for coffee imo...she deserved to win against MCYD's	[20:13]
abillionhorses	but i get your point	[20:13]
abillionhorses	Anyone selling their ActiveMining shares I can buy?	[20:13]
deadweasel	She would have to be aware that the coffee was 180 to 'get herself into trouble'	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	i have no problem with you rooting for the underdog, as you perceive it.	[20:13]
deadweasel	was she made aware?	[20:13]
ThickAsThieves	why do you want ActM shares?	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	deadweasel perhaps that's an argument there. in the end, you can sell dangerous mushrooms in europe as long as you give people insteructions on how to properly cook them	[20:14]
ThickAsThieves	do they even exist anymore?	[20:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 999 @ 0.00066 = 0.6593 BTC [+]	[20:14]
abillionhorses	its not about rooting for underdog, its the fact that most people dont expect their coffee to be 180, so when it is...and it spills on an older woman causing her to have to get surgery...yes there prob should be a suite	[20:14]
abillionhorses	lol at TAT	[20:14]
dexX7	https://blockchain.info/tx/1c12443203a48f42cdf7b1acee5b4b1c1fedc144cb909a3bf5edbffafb0cd204 195k btc on the move	[20:14]
ozbot	Bitcoin Transaction 1c12443203a48f42cdf7b1acee5b4b1c1fedc144cb909a3bf5edbffafb0cd204	[20:14]
ThickAsThieves	sew a suite	[20:14]
abillionhorses	of course they do	[20:14]
abillionhorses	suite lol god dammit my spelling is terrible today	[20:15]
ThickAsThieves	lol the tx says "Shit load of money!"	[20:15]
dexX7	a redditor labeled it	[20:16]
mike_c	gotta love that the fees for transferring over $100m was zero.	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	old coinbase.	[20:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1435 @ 0.00010197 = 0.1463 BTC [-] {5}	[20:19]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1500 @ 0.00066 = 0.99 BTC [+]	[20:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.48789999 = 1.9516 BTC [-] {2}	[20:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.18705001 BTC [-]	[20:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 116 @ 0.00455 = 0.5278 BTC [-]	[20:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00469 = 0.469 BTC [+]	[20:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.489 BTC [+]	[20:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.498 = 1.494 BTC [+]	[20:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.49966666 = 1.499 BTC [+] {3}	[20:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 149 @ 0.00469 = 0.6988 BTC [+] {2}	[20:23]
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tulak_	good evening ladies	[20:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.0047 = 0.376 BTC [+] {2}	[20:24]
deadweasel	howdy tulak_	[20:24]
tulak_	pretty retarded day deadweasel	[20:25]
tulak_	i had to rush-install 6 laptops	[20:25]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [+]	[20:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.0047 = 0.329 BTC [+]	[20:25]
deadweasel	fucking lame. tulak_	[20:25]
deadweasel	better than breaking rocks though... maybe. could b eargued.	[20:26]
tulak_	i have this job at my university	[20:26]
tulak_	quitting at the end of the year tho	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	http://www.okayafrica.com/wp-content/uploads/nigeria-naked-protest.jpg	[20:26]
ystarnaud	lol wtf	[20:27]
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mircea_popescu	irl tits. never what you hoped for.	[20:27]
ystarnaud	haha i'd say	[20:27]
ystarnaud	harsh reality of life	[20:28]
tulak_	mircea_popescu: the prophet of truth	[20:28]
deadweasel	protesting mammary support devices.	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	maybe this is why nigerians scam.	[20:29]
abillionhorses	i need more mammary in my computer....oh thx for pix	[20:29]
tulak_	mgio made me pick up java once again	[20:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0047 = 0.188 BTC [+]	[20:29]
tulak_	so this thread is helpful after being 2 hours in it	[20:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 172 @ 0.00066 = 0.1135 BTC [+] {2}	[20:29]
tulak_	thread=channel	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	java is evil.	[20:31]
tulak_	well	[20:31]
tulak_	I am a Sith, so java is just fine	[20:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 296 @ 0.00066 = 0.1954 BTC [+]	[20:32]
tulak_	someone be a scam-spotter: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=338379.0	[20:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 200 @ 0.00066 = 0.132 BTC [+]	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	just some bot.	[20:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.461 = 1.383 BTC [-]	[20:37]
tulak_	primedice has a bot functionality already	[20:37]
tulak_	why create a bot and charge money? is this what people call capitalism	[20:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 60 @ 0.18391053 = 11.0346 BTC [-] {11}	[20:38]
deadweasel	Mobile County Alabama: http://www.fox10tv.com/news/local/mobile-county/suspects-family-angry-at-good-samaritan	[20:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.0047 = 0.1034 BTC [+]	[20:39]
deadweasel	it's so surreal...	[20:39]
deadweasel	.If his (the customer) life was not in danger, if no one had a gun up to him, if no one pointed a gun at him - what gives him the right to think that it's okay to just shoot someone?. said the relative. .You should have just left the store and went wherever you had to go in your car or whatever..	[20:39]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2100 @ 0.00066 = 1.386 BTC [+] {2}	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	adric white is black ?!	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	shocking.	[20:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [+]	[20:42]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00469 = 0.2345 BTC [-]	[20:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00469 = 0.1876 BTC [-]	[20:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.49914285 = 6.988 BTC [+] {6}	[20:45]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.4999 = 4.999 BTC [+] {2}	[20:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00066 = 0.198 BTC [+]	[20:50]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 28 @ 0.0399 = 1.1172 BTC [+]	[20:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.495 = 0.99 BTC [-] {2}	[20:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 700 @ 0.00066 = 0.462 BTC [+]	[20:54]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 27 @ 0.53 = 14.31 BTC [+]	[21:01]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.5650015 = 2.26 BTC [+] {2}	[21:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 9773 @ 0.00066 = 6.4502 BTC [+]	[21:03]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 185 @ 0.00469994 = 0.8695 BTC [-] {2}	[21:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00066 = 0.198 BTC [+]	[21:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.0399 = 0.3591 BTC [+]	[21:06]
dexX7	ThickAsThieves: do you continue the am100 <> am1 exchange or is it over now?	[21:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00066 = 0.33 BTC [+]	[21:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3000 @ 0.00066 = 1.98 BTC [+]	[21:10]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.0007725 = 12.6304 BTC [-]	[21:13]
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dub	http://www.cheapair.com/blog/travel-news/book-your-flights-on-cheapair-with-bitcoin-virtual-currency/	[21:17]
ozbot	Book your flights on CheapAir with Bitcoin virtual currency \| CheapAir	[21:17]
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mircea_popescu	cheapair ?!	[21:21]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves http://bitbet.us/bet/620/asicminer-gen3-on-schedule/	[21:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 841 @ 0.00066 = 0.5551 BTC [+]	[21:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 100 @ 0.04329397 = 4.3294 BTC [+] {9}	[21:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00503622 = 0.277 BTC [+] {4}	[21:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.54727999 = 2.7364 BTC [+] {3}	[21:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 9043 @ 0.00066 = 5.9684 BTC [+]	[21:45]
deadweasel	http://bitbet.us/bet/608/super-bowl-coin-toss-will-be-heads/ intersting strategy.	[21:46]
ozbot	BitBet - Super Bowl coin toss will be "heads"	[21:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.0051 = 0.1428 BTC [+]	[21:46]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00201001 = 0.3015 BTC [+] {2}	[21:58]
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kakobrekla	davout stop scamming https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=343150.0	[22:11]
kakobrekla	same goes for pankkake.	[22:11]
kakobrekla	and deadweasel ofc, but we know him from before.	[22:11]
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pankkake	lol	[22:11]
mike_c	i like how he posts links to monthly reports as proof of stealing. because of course all thieves publish monthly reports detailing their crimes.	[22:12]
kakobrekla	gotta keep the crime record clean	[22:12]
TomServo	"They hide this policy in there FAQ" (Here's a handy link)	[22:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.005101 = 0.1785 BTC [+]	[22:13]
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jurov`	http://michaelsnyder.mensnewsdaily.com/2013/11/china-announces-that-it-is-going-to-stop-stockpiling-u-s-dollars/ USD freefall from now on?	[22:14]
ozbot	China Announces That It Is Going To Stop Stockpiling U.S. Dollars \| MND - Your Daily Dose of Counter	[22:14]
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pankkake	does it mention dollars specifically or any other currencies?	[22:17]
jurov`	afaik but china was not hoarding other currencies far so much	[22:18]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0052 = 0.104 BTC [+]	[22:18]
jurov`	"crude oil futures may soon be priced in yuan on the Shanghai Futures Exchange"	[22:18]
jefito	china obv tired of petrodollar	[22:19]
jefito	multi pronged usd attack	[22:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20154 @ 0.00077401 = 15.5994 BTC [+]	[22:19]
pankkake	also http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24486685 earlier	[22:19]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.582889 BTC [+]	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	lol scammors	[22:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00539 = 0.4582 BTC [+] {2}	[22:24]
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mircea_popescu	these people are so retarded. so if i hire a different mpoe-pr each month basically i can keep scamming indefinitely, provided i was bfl and actually did exactly that.	[22:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.0007792 = 11.0646 BTC [+]	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	how fucking derpy.	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	then they wonder why republic not democracy and no voting by idiots allowed.	[22:26]
deadweasel	but my feeeeelings!	[22:26]
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kakobrekla	juj pankkake you shouldnt have tell him/them the funny part!	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla honestly i don't think it makes a difference.	[22:28]
pankkake	removing	[22:28]
pankkake	:D	[22:28]
pankkake	the funniest part of the gold thread is that the guy added a POLL to it	[22:29]
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mike_c	how is mpex market maker bot working? gribble & bitcoincharts are still hosed.	[22:31]
mike_c	;;bc,24hprc	[22:32]
gribble	Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.	[22:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58289999 BTC [+]	[22:32]
mike_c	hah. nvm. it just turned off	[22:33]
mike_c	er, now its back.	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	you know, the one thing missing in the mix is joel katzx	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	mike_c possibly old data ?	[22:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.58289999 = 1.7487 BTC [+]	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	alternatively, bot might have gotten a lucky shot in	[22:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.18704059 = 0.3741 BTC [+] {2}	[22:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 885 @ 0.000122 = 0.108 BTC [+]	[22:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00066 = 0.33 BTC [+]	[22:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.18 BTC [-]	[22:36]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.18704059 BTC [+]	[22:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00543 = 0.3258 BTC [+]	[22:38]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00544 = 0.3536 BTC [+]	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	for the newer ppl : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121915.180	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	this is the birthplace of the much coveted cherry truck award. quite the gem.	[22:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.18705 BTC [+]	[22:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1001 BTC [-]	[22:41]
jurov`	https://www.bitstamp.net/article/banking-software-issues/ that's why bitstamp > gox	[22:41]
ozbot	Banking software issues RESOLVED - Bitstamp	[22:41]
dexX7	i remember this guy ... https://blockchain.info/tx/2af75fb4e50a14bf247575bf426615d01f9d6db4d88dc0668d27c88259f68691 and actually send him even a step by step tutorial how he can rebroadcast his tx with a fee :S	[22:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.094875 = 0.5693 BTC [-] {3}	[22:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.09010091 = 0.1802 BTC [-]	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 unlikely he had another 10 btc in the first place, and moreover he didn't send from an address he controlled	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	jurov` so it was they stopped payments too huh ?	[22:43]
dexX7	ah	[22:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 12 @ 0.0852798 = 1.0234 BTC [-] {6}	[22:44]
jurov`	yes some ppl had to wait since monday	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	only took like 12 hours. considering the 0 fees i would call this admirable.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	if only the person had the decency to bet 12 hours before the 750 was crossed, rather than 12 minutesd or w/e	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=343150.msg3678506#msg3678506	[22:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.NSA] 45613 @ 0.000105 = 4.7894 BTC [+]	[22:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58 = 1.16 BTC [-]	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	the conspiraci thickens.	[22:46]
kakobrekla	hahahaha	[22:46]
kakobrekla	so it DID make a difference.	[22:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.0055 = 1.1 BTC [+]	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	only because of milky shenanigans	[22:47]
kakobrekla	i win.	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	can't believe dood STILL hasn't read stuff like the bitbet contract.	[22:47]
kakobrekla	shhhhs	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	i mean, carelessly sending some btc, okay. you don't have the time, you don't care, you don't know shit exists, all is fine.	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	but then spending two days whining about it under mpoe-pr's rain of arrows, and she actually links you to it, and you still don't read it...	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	this degree of intellectual laziness is unexplainable outside of it being the product of the us educational system.	[22:48]
pankkake	nooo MPOE-PR	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	what she do ?	[22:50]
pankkake	exposed us	[22:50]
pankkake	and that cancels my evil plan	[22:50]
ThickAsThieves	;;estimate	[22:50]
gribble	Next difficulty estimate \| None based on data since last change \| 687004394.262 based on data for last three days	[22:50]
ThickAsThieves	;;bcstats	[22:50]
gribble	Current Blocks: 270980 \| Current Difficulty: 6.094826798883545E8 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 272159 \| Next Difficulty In: 1179 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 0 hours, 25 minutes, and 42 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: None \| Estimated Percent Change: None	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	this supernode is too strong to be easily deterred. you'll have plenty more evil plan opportunities something tells me	[22:51]
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pankkake	but I was quite proud of my trick. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=343150.msg3678584#msg3678584	[22:51]
pankkake	let's see if someone finds out	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	pankkake da fuck is icedice	[22:52]
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pankkake	just-dice clone	[22:53]
pankkake	just reflink whoring	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	you running it ?	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	ah	[22:53]
jefito	it's all bitbet's fault because someone didn't include a tx fee and their txn went unnoticed, eh	[22:53]
pankkake	it's not especially groundbreaking, I actually removed my coins so it doesn't make me anything	[22:53]
jefito	yeah i'd whine and cry and try to blame someone for that stupid fuck up too	[22:53]
jefito	until nothing happened	[22:53]
thestringpuller	there should be a website to vote on the code that goes into bitcoin	[22:54]
thestringpuller	github is lame	[22:54]
ThickAsThieves	its called reddit	[22:54]
pankkake	vote?	[22:54]
kakobrekla	like you understand what code does?	[22:54]
ThickAsThieves	they make all the big decisions	[22:54]
thestringpuller	lololol	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:54]
thestringpuller	reddit votes on the code going into bitcoin	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	the spic's sarcastic humour is maturing nicely i feel	[22:54]
kakobrekla	i vote when ill take a dump, so what	[22:54]
pankkake	git, the actual tool that makes github useful, makes it very easy to vote for yourself	[22:55]
asciilifeform	here's an even better idea: vote on chess moves! who needs champions when you've got reddit. no need for the voters to know how to play! 'wisdom of crowds!'	[22:55]
asciilifeform	(stole this one from moldbug)	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	o yeah, that's some kind of chess i could possibly win	[22:55]
thestringpuller	exactly!	[22:55]
ThickAsThieves	crowdwisdom, i like it	[22:56]
ThickAsThieves	we could make whole governments this way	[22:56]
asciilifeform	(source: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2010/01/hanson-moldbug-debate.html)	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	it could be abbreviated to wdw	[22:56]
kakobrekla	"well done world?"	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	sure. or woodrow wilson or w/e	[22:56]
pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=235763.msg3678394#msg3678394 asicminer bet broken?	[22:57]
ozbot	ASICMINER Speculation Thread	[22:57]
jefito	surek for xo boxen	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	what already ?	[22:57]
jefito	wtf	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	pankkake didn;'t he say 0.25 gh/w ?	[22:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2500 @ 0.00066 = 1.65 BTC [+]	[22:58]
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pankkake	" <0.2W per G"	[22:58]
thestringpuller	1.21 gh/w ?	[22:58]
pankkake	so that's actually 0.2w/gh	[22:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0057 = 0.114 BTC [-] {2}	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	so therefore 4Gh per w is generous	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	ashould have been 5	[22:59]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00569999 = 0.114 BTC [-]	[23:01]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform : "The molecular nanotechnology we have, life, is built on low-energy bonds and runs in a wet environment with a very high error rate. Diamondoid nanotech is built on high-energy bonds, runs (at least for manufacturing) in hard vacuum, and depends on a very low error rate - errors will cascade like crazy." this is a surprisingly cogent point.	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	i don't think nanotech has a prayer in hell for the exact same reasons.	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	you're more likely to enjoyably fuck alabaster women.	[23:02]
asciilifeform	'nanotech' is a mostly empty 'marketing word.'	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	even conceptually, if one tried to so salvage it.	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	nobody seems to understand that in order to exist, the gray slime needs to be rather nonuniform.	[23:03]
asciilifeform	you'll find it referring to perfectly ordinary things (microscopic mirrors in everybody's movie projector) to total crackpottery (robotic maxwell's daemons, etc.)	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	(which makes it much less threatening, which is why they don't want to understand it)	[23:03]
pankkake	so what happens to the AM bet?	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	nothing ? you see a problem with it ?	[23:06]
pankkake	aren't the specs incorrect?	[23:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.54 = 2.7 BTC [-]	[23:06]
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mircea_popescu	as far as i can see friedcat claimed 5 Gh/W and the bet only asks for 4	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	so they're incorrect in the sense they err the right way.	[23:07]
pankkake	ooh, I need to understand units	[23:08]
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mircea_popescu	whatever, if he delivers 4.8 a la bitfury i'd rather the bet be clear.	[23:08]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53000003 BTC [-]	[23:10]
*	jurov` just requested inclusion in bitbet club	[23:10]
mike_c	all you have to do is go post something positive about bitbet in that thread. snackman will put you in the club.	[23:11]
mike_c	he runs it after all	[23:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 76 @ 0.00550246 = 0.4182 BTC [-] {5}	[23:12]
pankkake	is PR a second life DJ?	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	anyone taking bets on whether he has a nervous breakdown and disappears rather than breaks down and admits he fucked up ?	[23:13]
pankkake	it's what usually happens	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	well which one	[23:15]
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pankkake	oh, disappearing	[23:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.07 = 0.7 BTC [+] {2}	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	yeah this will need handicapping	[23:16]
ThickAsThieves	random thought, what are ripples worth these days?	[23:17]
ThickAsThieves	i remember selling mine for 7btc or so	[23:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.002 = 0.22 BTC [-] {2}	[23:17]
thestringpuller	lol	[23:18]
thestringpuller	;;seen benkay	[23:18]
gribble	benkay was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 21 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: mircea_popescu: youtube link not so much?	[23:18]
pankkake	much lower	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves a cent each or w/e	[23:18]
pankkake	not that it is surprising since give you can many of them just for having a github account	[23:18]
pankkake	or a bitcointalk account (with signup date requirements)	[23:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.53000009 = 4.24 BTC [+] {3}	[23:19]
pankkake	hard to compete with free	[23:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.00543558 = 0.2555 BTC [-] {3}	[23:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.0054 = 0.2862 BTC [-]	[23:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 28536 @ 0.00066 = 18.8338 BTC [+]	[23:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54 BTC [+]	[23:25]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake i have no idea what the second life dj thing is about	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	girl's never played she says.	[23:31]
pankkake	I thought he had better stalking skills than me. I am relieved	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	who knows what random people are being sent random unconfirmed zero fee emails full of bile	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	on account of there being people with electricity they didn't pay for and computers their society got them for free, bored and otherwise unemployed towards any useful purpose.	[23:34]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53000002 BTC [-]	[23:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 190 @ 0.00066 = 0.1254 BTC [+]	[23:35]
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pankkake	oh he's the one who wrote "I expect MP was abandoned as a child and this is how s/he gets back at the world." earlier	[23:36]
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pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3679016#msg3679016 aren't like half of PR's post about the WoT?	[23:38]
ozbot	BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	pankkake they're looking for siomething more like mem's list.	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	or w/e that other similar idiocy was	[23:40]
pankkake	I don't know what that is	[23:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.075 = 0.525 BTC [-] {2}	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	some kid made a list of good and bad gambling sites to enforce his notions that i am racist and satoshi dice is bad.	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	the thing was amusing for a coupla days and that's the last i recall of it	[23:41]
pankkake	oh, plenty of those lists. mostly by site operators sockpuppets	[23:41]
pankkake	including one who went ponzi, oops	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	doh.	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3679079#msg3679079	[23:41]
jurov`	what boggles me that nobody there labeled you chauvinist.. prolly they dont read trilema	[23:41]
ozbot	BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	she has it, pretty much.	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	jurov` i don't think they know what it means.	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	chauvinist is a big word among 20something lonely unshaven feminists.	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	these are 20 something lonely fat dorks. different bad words.	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	which is why all the child pornography nonsense	[23:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.3449 = 0.6898 BTC [+]	[23:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.04559979 = 0.912 BTC [+] {2}	[23:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53 BTC [-]	[23:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 30 @ 0.06322694 = 1.8968 BTC [-] {9}	[23:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0054 = 0.54 BTC [-]	[23:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3000 @ 0.00066 = 1.98 BTC [+]	[23:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.04559979 = 0.5928 BTC [+] {2}	[23:45]
pankkake	why chauvinist? I don't follow	[23:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.18705 = 1.8705 BTC [+] {3}	[23:46]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00066 = 0.66 BTC [+]	[23:47]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.53166666 = 1.595 BTC [+] {2}	[23:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53 = 1.06 BTC [-]	[23:51]
Guest41620	I sent you money in a way you didn't want me to, and in a way you can't refuse. Give it back :P	[23:51]
*	Guest41620 is now known as smickles	[23:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.11548996 = 1.1549 BTC [+] {4}	[23:52]
*	smickles is now known as Guest90914	[23:52]
pankkake	in a few years faucet operators will want their money back	[23:52]
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Guest90914	bah, identify	[23:53]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c holy shit the guy was actually late ?!	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	this is riotous.	[23:53]
mike_c	he claims he initiated the transfer before then	[23:53]
mike_c	but there is no evidence of that	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	jesus.	[23:53]
pankkake	there's not even evidence that it's his tx	[23:54]
*	Guest90914 is now known as smickles	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	this is official, way to go make a complete fool of oneself.	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	it's up there with the tortilla.	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	if only i had known when i put that policy in that it will serve so shiningly well.	[23:55]
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pankkake	well, I still think a softer fee approach would be better. instead of 1% refund and 100% oops, do 20% for both	[23:57]
*	smickles is now known as snackman	[23:58]
*	snackman provably sends you money, says you stole it	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	pankkake nah, bets can be cancelled for all sorts of reasons,	[23:58]
pankkake	if his bet would have been sent with a tx fee, it would only be 1%	[23:58]
*	snackman is now known as smickles	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	many of which not imputable to the bettor	[23:58]
pankkake	I guess	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	pankkake nah, he sent it late. even with a 10 btc fee it'd have been confiscated.	[23:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.12568 = 0.6284 BTC [+] {2}	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	if he had sent it 12 hours earlier however it'd have been fine	[23:59]
jurov`	pankkake: "male chauvinism" says you something?	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	course, he didn't WANT TO sent it 12 hours later, because he's nobody's fool.	[23:59]
pankkake	jurov`: I only knew chauvinism as patriotism	[23:59]

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