Forum logs for 22 Jan 2013
Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
| kakobrekla | ;;ticker | [00:00] |
| gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 16.59819, Best ask: 16.61113, Bid-ask spread: 0.01294, Last trade: 16.56000, 24 hour volume: 59746.03234632, 24 hour low: 15.63412, 24 hour high: 16.98000, 24 hour vwap: 16.33564 | [00:00] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11933 @ 0.00061577 = 7.348 BTC [+] | [00:05] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9533 @ 0.00061607 = 5.873 BTC [+] | [00:06] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17819 @ 0.00061634 = 10.9826 BTC [+] | [00:06] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00061664 = 3.1757 BTC [+] | [00:06] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5465 @ 0.00061701 = 3.372 BTC [+] | [00:06] |
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| Bugpowder | buildin' up the bidwall :) | [00:35] |
| assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.01 = 1 BTC [+] | [00:36] |
| mircea_popescu | !ticker m s.mpoe | [00:47] |
| assbot | [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0005984 / 0.000611 / 0.0006312 (1842132 shares, 1,125.55 BTC), 7D: 0.0005984 / 0.00065049 / 0.00068 (8831436 shares, 5,744.80 BTC), 30D: 0.0005984 / 0.00064537 / 0.00068 (38743215 shares, 25,004.04 BTC) | [00:47] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13069 @ 0.00061466 = 8.033 BTC [-] | [00:47] |
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| jurov | ;;ticker | [00:53] |
| gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 16.75201, Best ask: 16.83000, Bid-ask spread: 0.07799, Last trade: 16.75201, 24 hour volume: 61105.12354761, 24 hour low: 15.63412, 24 hour high: 16.98000, 24 hour vwap: 16.35490 | [00:53] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 281 @ 0.00061466 = 0.1727 BTC [-] | [00:55] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00061109 = 11.7024 BTC [-] | [00:55] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5330 @ 0.00061 = 3.2513 BTC [-] | [00:55] |
| mircea_popescu | ;;whois Bugpowder | [00:56] |
| gribble | 206.241.0.249 - http://webchat.freenode.net (cef100f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.241.0.249) has been on server rowling.freenode.net since 02:06 PM, January 21, 2013 (idle for 56 seconds) and is on #bitcoin-assets. | [00:56] |
| mircea_popescu | ;;ident Bugpowder | [00:56] |
| gribble | Nick 'Bugpowder', with hostmask 'Bugpowder!cef100f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.241.0.249', is not identified. | [00:56] |
| mircea_popescu | gah | [00:57] |
| mircea_popescu | ;;getrating Bugpowder | [00:57] |
| gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User Bugpowder, rated since Tue Sep 11 08:01:46 2012. Cumulative rating 4, from 4 total ratings. Received ratings: 4 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 3 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Bugpowder | [00:57] |
| assbot | [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.1101 BTC [-] | [00:57] |
| assbot | [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 5 @ 0.11 = 0.55 BTC [-] | [00:57] |
| assbot | [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 2 @ 0.1002 = 0.2004 BTC [-] | [00:57] |
| Bugpowder | 1 sec | [00:57] |
| Bugpowder | ;;gpg eauth Bugpowder | [00:58] |
| gribble | Request successful for user Bugpowder, hostmask Bugpowder!cef100f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.241.0.249. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/F1573A6B1578A821 | [00:58] |
| pizzaman1337 | gosh, bitcoin needs to slow down | [00:58] |
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| pizzaman1337 | I don't want this whole thing to crash again | [00:58] |
| Bugpowder | ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:2af6c752ee03725e9cd95f947a421ec295b32d320671c8ed12788e38 | [00:58] |
| mircea_popescu | it will, and then recover again and crash again | [00:58] |
| gribble | Error: In order to authenticate, you must be present in one of the following channels: #bitcoin-otc;#bitcoin-otc-foyer;#bitcoin-otc-ru;#bitcoin-otc-eu;#bitcoin-otc-uk;#bitcoin-otc-bans | [00:58] |
| pizzaman1337 | what do you think it'll reach before it crashes? | [00:59] |
| mircea_popescu | who knows ? | [00:59] |
| rdponticelli | Rollercoaster! | [01:00] |
| pizzaman1337 | fun | [01:01] |
| mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [01:01] |
| gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 16.75001, Best ask: 16.79999, Bid-ask spread: 0.04998, Last trade: 16.75001, 24 hour volume: 61150.26465286, 24 hour low: 15.63412, 24 hour high: 16.98000, 24 hour vwap: 16.35861 | [01:01] |
| assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.4 = 1.6 BTC [+] | [01:02] |
| Namworld | It raise, raise, raise. Everyone panic buys... suddenly a big roller says "Time to cash in" and sells 300k bitcoins. | [01:02] |
| Namworld | All the little buyers lose confidence | [01:02] |
| Namworld | back to low price | [01:03] |
| pizzaman1337 | still seems to be growing overall though | [01:03] |
| pizzaman1337 | august crash recovered pretty quickly | [01:03] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00061633 = 10.6933 BTC [+] | [01:10] |
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| jurov | ;;bc,tslb | [01:32] |
| gribble | Time since last block: 44 minutes and 39 seconds | [01:32] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4496 @ 0.00061348 = 2.7582 BTC [-] | [01:32] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.53 = 1.59 BTC [+] | [01:34] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.545 = 5.45 BTC [+] | [01:35] |
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| thestringpuller | mpoe is suffering due to the price drop | [01:35] |
| thestringpuller | err | [01:35] |
| thestringpuller | price increase | [01:35] |
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| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.56 = 1.12 BTC [+] | [01:38] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4557 @ 0.00061 = 2.7798 BTC [-] | [01:38] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7689 @ 0.00060859 = 4.6794 BTC [-] | [01:38] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3954 @ 0.00060287 = 2.3837 BTC [-] | [01:38] |
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| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.56 BTC [+] | [01:39] |
| assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 175 @ 0.01 = 1.75 BTC [+] | [01:43] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14404 @ 0.00061105 = 8.8016 BTC [+] | [01:44] |
| Namworld | people need more BTC-BOND | [01:45] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11946 @ 0.00061276 = 7.32 BTC [+] | [01:49] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1354 @ 0.00060358 = 0.8172 BTC [-] | [01:55] |
| dub | ;;bc,stats | [01:58] |
| gribble | Current Blocks: 217484 | Current Difficulty: 3249549.5844872 | Next Difficulty At Block: 217727 | Next Difficulty In: 243 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 20 hours, 24 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2952678.64006960 | Estimated Percent Change: -9.1357567164 | [01:58] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2649 @ 0.00061295 = 1.6237 BTC [+] | [01:59] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 461 @ 0.00060287 = 0.2779 BTC [-] | [02:00] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00060124 = 10.8223 BTC [-] | [02:00] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6685 @ 0.00060072 = 4.0158 BTC [-] | [02:00] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7515 @ 0.00060072 = 4.5144 BTC [-] | [02:05] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18959 @ 0.00060065 = 11.3877 BTC [-] | [02:05] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00060199 = 4.6955 BTC [+] | [02:08] |
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| thestringpuller | jurov: "Obama Begins Inauguration Festivities With Ceremonial Drone Flyover" | [02:17] |
| thestringpuller | http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-begins-inauguration-festivities-with-ceremon,30974/ | [02:17] |
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| dub | third judge weighs in on the rota decision | [02:25] |
| dub | a better result for mp | [02:25] |
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| mod6 | yeah. that looks like what I was thinking it should be there abouts | [02:27] |
| dub | heh trend once again blocking buttcointalk | [02:27] |
| dub | The latest tests indicate that this URL contains malicious software or could defraud visitors. | [02:27] |
| dub | latter moar likely | [02:28] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4041 @ 0.00060065 = 2.4272 BTC [-] | [02:31] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15849 @ 0.00059969 = 9.5045 BTC [-] | [02:31] |
| mod6 | i was actually thinking like 1% so like 128.7 | [02:31] |
| mod6 | *shrug* | [02:31] |
| assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 2 @ 0.009 = 0.018 BTC [+] | [02:32] |
| thestringpuller | mpoe record lows | [02:34] |
| mod6 | !ticker mpex s.mpoe | [02:34] |
| assbot | [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0005984 / 0.0006098 / 0.0006312 (1887780 shares, 1,151.18 BTC), 7D: 0.0005984 / 0.00064965 / 0.00068 (9003906 shares, 5,849.43 BTC), 30D: 0.0005984 / 0.00064526 / 0.00068 (38827780 shares, 25,054.16 BTC) | [02:34] |
| pigeons | yeah record lows are about 100 times lower | [02:35] |
| mod6 | and recently there has been a lot of buying | [02:36] |
| mod6 | wasn't there like a block of 10`000`000 at .00062 and .00064 and .00066? | [02:37] |
| mod6 | anyway, ups and downs right? | [02:39] |
| mod6 | :] | [02:39] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00527831 = 7.3896 BTC [+] | [02:41] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2850 @ 0.00527441 = 15.0321 BTC [-] | [02:41] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 704 @ 0.00524041 = 3.6892 BTC [-] | [02:41] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 511 @ 0.0051752 = 2.6445 BTC [-] | [02:41] |
| jcpham | mircea_popescu i've thought about this more and i think you should simply monetize mistakes | [02:42] |
| jcpham | make it your perogative to have the first say on refunds and charge a fee | [02:43] |
| jcpham | to whatever degree makes the mistake fun for you | [02:43] |
| mircea_popescu | too complex. | [02:43] |
| jcpham | 10btc for any returned funds isn't complex | [02:43] |
| jcpham | "administrative fee" | [02:43] |
| jcpham | i would. it would be what i'd gain from this | [02:44] |
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| mircea_popescu | lol so why didn;t you put that in if you would. | [02:44] |
| jcpham | the right to profit from any and all refunds | [02:44] |
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| mircea_popescu | A novel attack against bitcoin What if someone were to put illegal information into the blockchain itself? Top secret information or magnet links for example. | [02:45] |
| mircea_popescu | the novel! | [02:45] |
| mircea_popescu | what if someone were to put a novel in the blockchain ? | [02:45] |
| jcpham | can information be illegal | [02:46] |
| pigeons | ;;google illegal number | [02:46] |
| gribble | Illegal number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: |
[02:46] |
| jcpham | a blog post denouncing the rota an implementation of the new returned funds fee to protect yourself should suffice ;) | [02:48] |
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| mircea_popescu | heh. | [02:50] |
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| mircea_popescu | so far i'm out what, 150btcs in salaries + all the promotional effort, to make someting | [02:50] |
| mircea_popescu | and the solution proposed is to tear it down and make something else, this time carefulyl curatedf from the general community ? | [02:51] |
| mircea_popescu | doesn't sound like a winner. | [02:51] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00060199 = 16.1333 BTC [+] | [02:52] |
| jcpham | it was not my intention to shit on you | [02:53] |
| mircea_popescu | i get it, i get it. | [02:55] |
| jcpham | lots of places charge a fee to return money | [02:56] |
| jcpham | penalize the act of return | [02:56] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22208 @ 0.00060199 = 13.369 BTC [+] | [02:56] |
| jcpham | it's like bouncing a check and i think you should insulate yourself from it | [02:57] |
| mircea_popescu | i'm just gonna insist that peeps step up, take btc seriously etc. | [02:57] |
| mircea_popescu | but the bounced cheque comparison is possibly valuable. i don't imagine anyone with a bounced cheque failed to argue he made a mistake | [02:58] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00060172 = 15.8854 BTC [-] | [02:58] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1251 @ 0.00059969 = 0.7502 BTC [-] | [02:58] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3199 @ 0.00059945 = 1.9176 BTC [-] | [02:58] |
| pigeons | have you paid wences? | [02:59] |
| mircea_popescu | not yet. | [03:00] |
| mircea_popescu | rassah needs to add address so far. | [03:01] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19642 @ 0.00060199 = 11.8243 BTC [+] | [03:02] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13176 @ 0.00061402 = 8.0903 BTC [+] | [03:02] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1682 @ 0.00061633 = 1.0367 BTC [+] | [03:02] |
| jcpham | i think it is a good argument to have and you should have first choice in returning funds | [03:04] |
| jcpham | and, if it is your intention to make mistakes punitive in nature | [03:04] |
| jcpham | charge a return fee | [03:04] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.BBET] 230 @ 0.00100006 = 0.23 BTC [-] | [03:05] |
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| assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [+] | [03:18] |
| smickles | jcpham: so you guys got that wences btc signature to verify? | [03:19] |
| smickles | i wasn't able to | [03:19] |
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| pigeons | yes i used blockchain.info | [03:22] |
| smickles | musta been a newline issue for me | [03:22] |
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| mircea_popescu | they have to add headers. | [03:31] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.0006036 = 6.7 BTC [-] | [03:37] |
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| assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 300 @ 0.01 = 3 BTC [+] | [04:07] |
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| pigeons | inaba says, "If they are going to take several weeks to ship a mere 300 units, only the first few people will ever see a ROI on their units. " | [04:16] |
| pigeons | they being avalon | [04:17] |
| pigeons | presumably somehow bfl customers are fine | [04:17] |
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| dub | lol | [04:25] |
| Bugpowder | ;;ticker | [04:26] |
| gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 16.83431, Best ask: 16.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06569, Last trade: 16.83431, 24 hour volume: 53490.63449020, 24 hour low: 15.87500, 24 hour high: 16.98000, 24 hour vwap: 16.55290 | [04:26] |
| dub | the alternative, everyone gets one and nobody recoups | [04:26] |
| Bugpowder | uhhh | [04:26] |
| Bugpowder | its going to be nobody or everybody | [04:26] |
| Bugpowder | nobody is going to make any money on asics | [04:26] |
| Bugpowder | except maybe people making them | [04:26] |
| Bugpowder | or scamming others | [04:26] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13644 @ 0.0006036 = 8.2355 BTC [-] | [04:34] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7096 @ 0.00061557 = 4.3681 BTC [+] | [04:34] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00061557 = 8.8027 BTC [+] | [04:38] |
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| Bugpowder | Sometimes it feels like this wall will NEVER come down... -Berlin, December 1961. Also, tonight looking at clark moody | [04:40] |
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| mircea_popescu | buffett has a very nice piece explaining the economics of capital intensive businesses | [04:48] |
| mircea_popescu | But the promised benefits from these textile investments were | [04:49] |
| mircea_popescu | illusory. Many of our competitors, both domestic and foreign, | [04:49] |
| mircea_popescu | were stepping up to the same kind of expenditures and, once | [04:49] |
| mircea_popescu | enough companies did so, their reduced costs became the baseline | [04:49] |
| mircea_popescu | for reduced prices industrywide. Viewed individually, each com- | [04:49] |
| mircea_popescu | pany's capital investment decision appeared cost-effective and ra- | [04:49] |
| mircea_popescu | tional; viewed collectively, the decisions neutralized each other and | [04:49] |
| mircea_popescu | were irrational Gust as happens when each person watching a | [04:49] |
| mircea_popescu | parade decides he can see a little better if he stands on tiptoes). | [04:49] |
| mircea_popescu | After each round of investment, all the players had more money in | [04:49] |
| mircea_popescu | the game and returns remained anemic. | [04:49] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00059946 = 4.1962 BTC [-] | [04:50] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9371 @ 0.00059945 = 5.6174 BTC [-] | [04:50] |
| Bugpowder | The basic economic ideas of supply and demand are useful in thinking about capturing value. The common insight is that market equilibrium is where supply and demand intersect. When you analyze a business under this framework, you get one of two options: perfect competition or monopoly. | [04:56] |
| * | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [07:12] |
| * | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: http://mpex.co || https://coinbr.com || https://cryptostocks.com || https://icbit.se || https://therocktrading.com || https://assets-otc.com || https://www.havelockinvestments.com || https://bitfunder.com || https://btct.co || http://picostocks.com || list bot commands: !help || Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades | [07:12] |
| * | Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Mon Dec 24 19:40:09 2012 | [07:12] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00060528 = 4.8422 BTC [+] | [07:21] |
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| assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.34 = 0.68 BTC [+] | [07:31] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7086 @ 0.00060433 = 4.2823 BTC [-] | [08:00] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34341 @ 0.00060528 = 20.7859 BTC [+] | [08:00] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00530232 = 7.4232 BTC [+] | [08:04] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6973 @ 0.00060528 = 4.2206 BTC [+] | [08:11] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10227 @ 0.00060629 = 6.2005 BTC [+] | [08:11] |
| mircea_popescu | ;;ident mircea_popescu | [08:20] |
| gribble | Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified. | [08:20] |
| mircea_popescu | ;;eauth mircea_popescu | [08:20] |
| gribble | Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452 | [08:20] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 241 @ 0.00530232 = 1.2779 BTC [+] | [08:20] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2059 @ 0.00534347 = 11.0022 BTC [+] | [08:20] |
| mircea_popescu | ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:adf2d557a738009c9237a79f6f8a8e12147b116ae1b36e362323a298 | [08:20] |
| gribble | You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452 | [08:20] |
| mircea_popescu | ;;rate pigeons -1 Killed my baby. http://v.gd/2ZVQQY | [08:21] |
| gribble | Rating entry successful. Your rating for user pigeons has changed from 3 to -1. | [08:21] |
| Namworld | That doesn't seem right. | [08:36] |
| Namworld | You should simply not accept rota for such cases. | [08:36] |
| Namworld | New terms are good tho. | [08:37] |
| Namworld | But you may want to be forgiving in specific cases. Example: amount looks almost accurate. | [08:38] |
| Namworld | Where two numbers are reversed or one was missing. | [08:38] |
| Namworld | An occasional typo can popup, which doesn't mean the person didn't read the instructions. | [08:39] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.0006 = 20.16 BTC [-] | [08:48] |
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| mircea_popescu | ya well what can i say. bitcoin stuff needs certainties. | [08:53] |
| Namworld | No sane jurisdiction allows people to keep funds that were mis-sent/mis-placed to top it. | [08:56] |
| mircea_popescu | it's how bitcoin works. | [08:56] |
| * | EskimoBob is now known as EskimoBob_afk | [08:56] |
| Namworld | Irreversible? Maybe. Technically if someone hands you six 20 bills instead of 5 for a 100 payment, it's also irreversible if the other person doesn't hand it over. Both would require forcing the other party to give it back. | [08:58] |
| mircea_popescu | myeah. absent the possibility of a legal system it'll be interesting how that'll work. | [08:59] |
| mircea_popescu | i guess smarter people will find a solution at some point. | [08:59] |
| Namworld | Yes. | [08:59] |
| mircea_popescu | but yes, this IS horrible news for bitcoin in general. | [09:00] |
| Namworld | But the fact the usual can hardly not be legally enforced is no reason to not try to apply them. So long as the legislation in question makes sense. | [09:00] |
| Namworld | It seems to me misplaced/mis-sent funds would apply. | [09:01] |
| mircea_popescu | i'm really not open to publicly discussing mpex policies anymore. they are what they are and that's that. | [09:02] |
| Namworld | So be it. | [09:02] |
| Namworld | I like discussing such things tho | [09:03] |
| Namworld | I'll have to find something else to spend my idle time. | [09:03] |
| Namworld | We're pretty much done for today @ BitVPS | [09:03] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1014 @ 0.00060629 = 0.6148 BTC [+] | [09:04] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27486 @ 0.00060749 = 16.6975 BTC [+] | [09:04] |
| mircea_popescu | i'd have liked it too, but it's just not practical. mtgox keeps people's money fgor months/takes whatever out of it/etc, | [09:06] |
| mircea_popescu | dudes rewrite contracts to include ids and whatnot, | [09:06] |
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| mircea_popescu | they piss on the public and guess what ? i'm the one idiot discussing it, so im the only idiot getting it in the teeth. | [09:06] |
| mircea_popescu | well... there's limits to being an idiot. it's actually much cheaper to be mtgox. | [09:07] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1432 @ 0.00060749 = 0.8699 BTC [+] | [09:08] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7668 @ 0.00060834 = 4.6648 BTC [+] | [09:08] |
| Namworld | IDs? The giga.etf thing? | [09:09] |
| Namworld | or MtGox did that too? | [09:10] |
| Namworld | I'll assume MtGox did that too considering the context | [09:12] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20082 @ 0.00060834 = 12.2167 BTC [+] | [09:23] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00060873 = 3.6219 BTC [+] | [09:23] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 438 @ 0.00060979 = 0.2671 BTC [+] | [09:23] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00060734 = 5.3446 BTC [-] | [09:35] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.0006 = 9.84 BTC [-] | [09:40] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15625 @ 0.00059754 = 9.3366 BTC [-] | [09:40] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 428 @ 0.00523613 = 2.2411 BTC [-] | [09:44] |
| mircea_popescu | Namworld https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81939.0 that sort of stuff. | [09:46] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5475 @ 0.00059754 = 3.2715 BTC [-] | [09:49] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5505 @ 0.00059599 = 3.2809 BTC [-] | [09:49] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00059597 = 5.3041 BTC [-] | [09:49] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8355 @ 0.00059541 = 4.9747 BTC [-] | [09:49] |
| midnightmagic | mircea_popescu: Awww.. :-( So what makes you think there was collaboration going on? | [09:54] |
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| mircea_popescu | im pretty sure there wasn't, in this case. | [09:54] |
| mircea_popescu | that doesn't change the fact that if i let things stand i can wake up tomorrow to 5000 fresh cases. | [09:54] |
| mircea_popescu | with perfectly nothing i can do about it. | [09:55] |
| midnightmagic | Then why did you rate pigeons -1? | [09:56] |
| dub | explain again how they get more than they put in? | [09:56] |
| midnightmagic | dub: Judges fees. | [09:56] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00517521 = 5.1752 BTC [-] | [09:56] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1389 @ 0.0051752 = 7.1884 BTC [-] | [09:56] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2500 @ 0.0051751 = 12.9378 BTC [-] | [09:56] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1882 @ 0.00516178 = 9.7145 BTC [-] | [09:56] |
| mircea_popescu | dub passive party pays more than it receives. | [09:56] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3000 @ 0.00514265 = 15.428 BTC [-] | [09:56] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2981 @ 0.00512168 = 15.2677 BTC [-] | [09:56] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1400 @ 0.00511613 = 7.1626 BTC [-] | [09:56] |
| dub | well yeah teh judges can game it | [09:56] |
| midnightmagic | dub: That's pretty much it. | [09:57] |
| dub | mircea_popescu: s/passive/losing | [09:57] |
| mircea_popescu | passive party can never be held to pay more than it received. | [09:57] |
| mircea_popescu | well if passive = losing then you have an extraction engine going | [09:57] |
| dub | welcome to justice | [09:57] |
| dub | its not very just | [09:57] |
| midnightmagic | mircea_popescu: Why was there even a "suit"? Why couldn't you just settle prior to the case and give him back his money? | [09:58] |
| mircea_popescu | anyway, i'm off to bed. laters all. | [09:58] |
| mircea_popescu | midnightmagic because i'm the sort of idiot who tries to build people and institutions. | [09:58] |
| midnightmagic | Okay, g'night! | [09:58] |
| thestringpuller | bed? | [09:58] |
| thestringpuller | it's morning | [09:58] |
| mircea_popescu | but i shall focus on making btc instead, no problems. | [09:58] |
| dub | night | [09:58] |
| * | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [16:58] |
| * | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: http://mpex.co || https://coinbr.com || https://cryptostocks.com || https://icbit.se || https://therocktrading.com || https://assets-otc.com || https://www.havelockinvestments.com || https://bitfunder.com || https://btct.co || http://picostocks.com || list bot commands: !help || Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades | [16:58] |
| * | Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Mon Dec 24 19:40:09 2012 | [16:58] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00061514 = 5.567 BTC [-] | [17:00] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00060874 = 7.8832 BTC [-] | [17:00] |
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| Korbman | ;;ticker | [17:01] |
| gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.20002, Best ask: 17.22569, Bid-ask spread: 0.02567, Last trade: 17.22570, 24 hour volume: 60692.49067912, 24 hour low: 16.49111, 24 hour high: 17.59000, 24 hour vwap: 16.93719 | [17:01] |
| Korbman | well holy shit | [17:01] |
| topace | indeed | [17:10] |
| topace | !ticker h sdice | [17:10] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.51000000 / 0.52959158 / 0.56000000 (95 shares, 50.31120000 BTC), 7D: 0.48000000 / 0.52212476 / 0.62000000 (719 shares, 375.40769990 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.46375606 / 0.62000000 (3994 shares, 1852.24169988 BTC) | [17:10] |
| topace | !ticker mpex sdice | [17:10] |
| assbot | The vision of Christ that thou dost see ... is my vision's greatest enemy. | [17:10] |
| topace | !ticker mpex s.dice | [17:10] |
| assbot | [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00507549 / 0.0052209 / 0.0053558 (49853 shares, 260.28 BTC), 7D: 0.00454703 / 0.00485844 / 0.00598999 (1457136 shares, 7,079.42 BTC), 30D: 0.00325183 / 0.00415694 / 0.00598999 (9482976 shares, 39,420.23 BTC) | [17:10] |
| Korbman | seems to be pretty on par so far | [17:18] |
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| assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.3799 = 0.7598 BTC [-] | [17:20] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9424 @ 0.00061464 = 5.7924 BTC [+] | [17:29] |
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| turbo_ac100 | hi there. Is there a RSS feed for bbet? | [17:33] |
| kakobrekla | hey | [17:34] |
| kakobrekla | no rss feed at the moment | [17:34] |
| * | turbo_ac100 sad | [17:34] |
| kakobrekla | im looking into which media ill choose for propagating bets | [17:34] |
| turbo_ac100 | kakobrekla, you are from bbet? | [17:35] |
| kakobrekla | yes | [17:35] |
| turbo_ac100 | kakobrekla, owner? programmer? | [17:35] |
| turbo_ac100 | anyway I really like bbet. and more so than betsofbitco.in ;) | [17:36] |
| kakobrekla | turbo_ac100, me and mircea_popescu are the owners, in case you missed you can buy shares of it and stuff http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET | [17:37] |
| kakobrekla | im the developer of it yeah also | [17:37] |
| turbo_ac100 | right now I use page2rss for the feed. | [17:37] |
| kakobrekla | and thanks | [17:38] |
| kakobrekla | hmm | [17:38] |
| turbo_ac100 | Yeah I'm buying shares passthrough on litecoinglobal right now | [17:38] |
| kakobrekla | how about irc stream? | [17:39] |
| kakobrekla | would you use that? | [17:39] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00061938 = 7.1229 BTC [+] | [17:39] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6477 @ 0.00062613 = 4.0554 BTC [+] | [17:39] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15073 @ 0.00062676 = 9.4472 BTC [+] | [17:39] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13564 @ 0.00062739 = 8.5099 BTC [+] | [17:39] |
| turbo_ac100 | Well, where I normally read news is RSS and to a lesser degree twitter. So for me it would add one extra source of news inlet. | [17:40] |
| turbo_ac100 | So I probably wouldn't use it | [17:40] |
| jcpham | mmmmhmmmm | [17:40] |
| jcpham | if anyone killed your baby mircea_popescu i did | [17:41] |
| kakobrekla | ill add it to to-do then turbo_ac100 | [17:41] |
| turbo_ac100 | kakobrekla, thanks a lot! | [17:42] |
| kakobrekla | sure | [17:42] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 190 @ 0.00521999 = 0.9918 BTC [+] | [17:42] |
| * | turbo_ac100 will buy S.BBET now ;) | [17:42] |
| assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-] | [17:43] |
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| jurov | lol, irl ponzi schemes: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sk&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=sk&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fkosice.korzar.sme.sk%2Fc%2F6671995%2Fhorizont-vyplaca-z-kazdych-sto-eur-vrati-styri.html | [17:48] |
| assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.0055 = 0.0165 BTC [-] | [17:50] |
| jurov | wonders any bitcoin ponzi will return 4.5% | [17:50] |
| smickles | ;;ticker | [17:54] |
| gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.33000, Best ask: 17.33997, Bid-ask spread: 0.00997, Last trade: 17.33997, 24 hour volume: 56259.11066762, 24 hour low: 16.51001, 24 hour high: 17.59000, 24 hour vwap: 16.96477 | [17:54] |
| smickles | jeez criminey | [17:54] |
| jcpham | 24 hour gox volume seems to hold from day to day too | [17:57] |
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| mircea_popescu | you all killed mah babe! | [17:58] |
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| smickles | the last time this happened, there was some horrible news brewing that crashed the rally | [17:59] |
| mircea_popescu | smickles what was that ? | [17:59] |
| smickles | pirate | [17:59] |
| mircea_popescu | o o | [18:00] |
| smickles | it's close to an identical rise on the chart too | [18:00] |
| mircea_popescu | was that mid rally ? | [18:00] |
| mircea_popescu | well i guess we have bfl as a potential... tho i doubt they'll announce anything. | [18:00] |
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| smickles | a bunch of the 'technicals' are different tho | [18:01] |
| smickles | but i bring it up because that was a bad news event on a significant (relatively) quick rise | [18:02] |
| smickles | what was the final precursor last time? a bunch of puts bought, calls sold? | [18:03] |
| mircea_popescu | i don't even remember ;/ | [18:03] |
| mircea_popescu | o yeah, yeah i do | [18:03] |
| mircea_popescu | there was large open call interest since early days of month | [18:03] |
| mircea_popescu | then puts sold short | [18:03] |
| mircea_popescu | days/week before the drop | [18:03] |
| mircea_popescu | then calls sold as the drop happened and puts covered/going long | [18:04] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00062885 = 6.8545 BTC [+] | [18:11] |
| mircea_popescu | smickles https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137923.0 there, that may be it. | [18:12] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00062885 = 9.0554 BTC [+] | [18:15] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00062885 = 5.6597 BTC [+] | [18:19] |
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| jurov | ;;ticker | [18:20] |
| gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.39501, Best ask: 17.39900, Bid-ask spread: 0.00399, Last trade: 17.39900, 24 hour volume: 56302.89909831, 24 hour low: 16.51001, 24 hour high: 17.59000, 24 hour vwap: 16.97526 | [18:20] |
| mircea_popescu | whoa nelly. | [18:20] |
| mircea_popescu | another day, another dolla. | [18:21] |
| pigeons | Now I withdrew from mtgox a long time ago Don't you see how late they're reactin' They only come and they come when they wanna | [18:22] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22683 @ 0.00062875 = 14.2619 BTC [-] | [18:29] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8517 @ 0.00062066 = 5.2862 BTC [-] | [18:29] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3867 @ 0.00062885 = 2.4318 BTC [+] | [18:32] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16883 @ 0.00062913 = 10.6216 BTC [+] | [18:32] |
| mircea_popescu | so did avalons arrive yet ? | [18:32] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00062913 = 3.4288 BTC [+] | [18:35] |
| Korbman | Not yet...I figured people would start getting them next week, though it depends on how they shipped | [18:35] |
| mircea_popescu | o, wait, avalon ships from china ? | [18:36] |
| jurov | not even tracking numbers available | [18:38] |
| Korbman | yeah | [18:40] |
| mircea_popescu | this is a deliberate attempt to drive people nuts. | [18:43] |
| jurov | also, one would say for 1.5k they'll find a better case than this: http://launch.avalon-asics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/DSC00517-1024x680.jpg | [18:44] |
| jurov | lol, DIY kit would be better | [18:45] |
| Korbman | haha | [18:45] |
| Korbman | I've got mixed feeling about a giant 400w steel box running only 66GH/s.. | [18:46] |
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| Korbman | I suppose that's the result of 110nm processes | [18:46] |
| mircea_popescu | Korbman you'd prefer a fan box running inaba's hot air ? | [18:46] |
| Korbman | Ha, for the sake of argument let's pretend everyone ships | [18:47] |
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| mircea_popescu | that box actually looks like the custom power unit i had for my old z80 | [18:47] |
| mircea_popescu | back in the late 80s | [18:47] |
| mircea_popescu | iirc z80s are 110nm ? | [18:47] |
| Diablo-D3 | z80s are many nm | [18:48] |
| Diablo-D3 | 110nm is too low for original ones though | [18:49] |
| Diablo-D3 | probably 200-300m, | [18:49] |
| Diablo-D3 | nm | [18:49] |
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| mircea_popescu | a was it ? | [18:50] |
| Diablo-D3 | they still make z80s, btw | [18:50] |
| mircea_popescu | im sure. | [18:50] |
| Diablo-D3 | they're very popular for 8 bit microcontrollers | [18:50] |
| Korbman | 4000nm I think | [18:50] |
| mircea_popescu | yeah ui was gonna say, it was a good 8 bit design | [18:50] |
| Diablo-D3 | Korbman: 4000nm? wtf dude | [18:50] |
| Korbman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor_count | [18:50] |
| mircea_popescu | he means 400 lol | [18:50] |
| Diablo-D3 | 400nm seems too high | [18:51] |
| Diablo-D3 | not for late 80s | [18:51] |
| Korbman | early Z80 was 4 micrometers | [18:51] |
| Diablo-D3 | lemme go look it up myself | [18:51] |
| mircea_popescu | z80 was > 8080 iirc | [18:51] |
| Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: ~= really | [18:51] |
| Diablo-D3 | its a 8080 clone with 8086ish features tacked on | [18:51] |
| mircea_popescu | well at least that's what thye claimed | [18:51] |
| mircea_popescu | and i believed it! | [18:51] |
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| mircea_popescu | anyway, this was like 1988 and shit, not the early zilogs | [18:52] |
| Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: btw, I think they still make 6502s too | [18:52] |
| Korbman | So yes...4000nm | [18:52] |
| mircea_popescu | i wonder if bfl next step, after tackling the android miner market, is to make z80 miner software. | [18:53] |
| asa1024 | bwhaha | [18:53] |
| jurov | so, asics scams may burst the upcoming bubble | [18:56] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37833 @ 0.00062066 = 23.4814 BTC [-] | [18:56] |
| Diablo-D3 | okay I was wrong | [18:56] |
| Diablo-D3 | if it was late 80s, it could have been 1000nm | [18:57] |
| Diablo-D3 | 350 didnt become into existence until 1995 | [18:57] |
| Diablo-D3 | 1500 came into existence in 1982, 1000 in 1985, 800 in 1989 | [18:57] |
| Diablo-D3 | 3000 in 1975 | [18:57] |
| Diablo-D3 | which means orginal z80s and 6502s and whatnot would have been that size | [18:58] |
| mircea_popescu | a hey. hattip to Korbman | [18:58] |
| Diablo-D3 | he said 4, not 3. | [18:58] |
| Diablo-D3 | there seems to be no size of 4. | [18:58] |
| Diablo-D3 | went from 10 in 71 to 3 in 75 | [18:59] |
| mircea_popescu | ya well he had something of a right idea. | [18:59] |
| Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: he only gets it right for original gen ones | [18:59] |
| Diablo-D3 | you didnt have an original gen one | [18:59] |
| Diablo-D3 | probably one of a thousand clones | [18:59] |
| jurov | lol, when looking closely on the rightmost fan on http://launch.avalon-asics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/DSC00517.jpg | [19:00] |
| jurov | seems nothign is inside | [19:00] |
| Diablo-D3 | right most? | [19:00] |
| Diablo-D3 | calibrate your screen | [19:00] |
| Diablo-D3 | I can see all three fans clearly | [19:00] |
| jurov | okay, now calibrate youe eyes and try to look between its blades | [19:01] |
| Diablo-D3 | well yes, its an empty case | [19:01] |
| Diablo-D3 | oh, is that what you ment? | [19:01] |
| jurov | yes | [19:01] |
| Diablo-D3 | hah. | [19:01] |
| Diablo-D3 | I thought you meant an empty fan slot | [19:01] |
| Korbman | don't thank me, thank google haha | [19:02] |
| Diablo-D3 | oh wow | [19:02] |
| Diablo-D3 | I didnt know this | [19:02] |
| Diablo-D3 | wikipedia has an entire article on the fab process | [19:03] |
| Diablo-D3 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_fabrication | [19:03] |
| kakobrekla | if micon is in the wiki, fab process will be too. | [19:04] |
| Diablo-D3 | well Ive never came across it before | [19:04] |
| mircea_popescu | omg moar fan cases ?! | [19:06] |
| Diablo-D3 | well, it depends how well packed they make that | [19:06] |
| Diablo-D3 | jurov: btw, that might not be empty | [19:06] |
| Diablo-D3 | the whole case I mean | [19:07] |
| Diablo-D3 | that could be the spot for a psu | [19:07] |
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| jurov | at least why there is so much light? looks like whole rear side isn't there | [19:07] |
| Diablo-D3 | well, if its an empty psu slot, you know how big atx slots are | [19:08] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00061521 = 7.1057 BTC [-] | [19:12] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00061505 = 11.7167 BTC [-] | [19:12] |
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| jcpham | i bet a pre-order one in the next round | [19:22] |
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| Korbman | but look at how the light reflects in on the furthest fan as well | [19:26] |
| Korbman | the case doesn't seem to have a backing | [19:27] |
| mircea_popescu | maybe it's just the cover | [19:28] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.5499998 BTC [-] | [19:31] |
| Korbman | meh probably | [19:32] |
| Korbman | BFL pulled the same empty case stunt, and I don't really care that it's empty to begin with. It's just there to try and appease some of the people looking for pics | [19:33] |
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| mircea_popescu | im not entirely sure what'd appease them. maybe one of those go-pro cams attached to an employee's head | [19:33] |
| mircea_popescu | with direct feed | [19:33] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6819 @ 0.00061592 = 4.2 BTC [+] | [19:40] |
| Korbman | ha, probably not even that | [19:40] |
| mircea_popescu | cause it wouldn't work in the toilet, right ? so it'd be clearly shenanigans there. | [19:43] |
| mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [19:44] |
| gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.37001, Best ask: 17.44300, Bid-ask spread: 0.07299, Last trade: 17.37001, 24 hour volume: 56123.22404659, 24 hour low: 16.51001, 24 hour high: 17.59000, 24 hour vwap: 17.01255 | [19:44] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2621 @ 0.00521998 = 13.6816 BTC [-] | [19:46] |
| assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 4 @ 0.0052 = 0.0208 BTC [-] | [19:51] |
| assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.0051 = 0.0255 BTC [-] | [19:51] |
| assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.005 = 0.05 BTC [-] | [19:51] |
| assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0049 BTC [-] | [19:51] |
| assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 9 @ 0.0049 = 0.0441 BTC [-] | [19:51] |
| assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0049 = 0.049 BTC [-] | [19:51] |
| assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0048 = 0.048 BTC [-] | [19:51] |
| assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 451 @ 0.0046 = 2.0746 BTC [-] | [19:51] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28781 @ 0.00061592 = 17.7268 BTC [+] | [19:51] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00061505 = 4.9819 BTC [-] | [19:51] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 376 @ 0.00061464 = 0.2311 BTC [-] | [19:51] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22599 @ 0.0006141 = 13.878 BTC [-] | [19:51] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00060874 = 7.244 BTC [-] | [19:51] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3652 @ 0.00060809 = 2.2207 BTC [-] | [19:51] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2748 @ 0.00060809 = 1.671 BTC [-] | [19:56] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00060807 = 7.4793 BTC [-] | [19:56] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14212 @ 0.00060796 = 8.6403 BTC [-] | [19:56] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8590 @ 0.00060483 = 5.1955 BTC [-] | [19:56] |
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| pigeons | http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2013/01/22/bitcoin-casinos-release-2012-earnings/ | [20:00] |
| mircea_popescu | Operating expenses were minimal in 2012 and the company also paid monthly bitcoin dividends to ‘public’ shareholders which represent 10% of the total 100,000,000 outstanding shares. To invest in the operator and bet on the house, SatoshiDice shares are traded on the MPEx bitcoin stock exchange under ticker symbol S.DICE (see August 19th, 2012 Prospectus). At the current exchange rate of $17.00 per BTC, SatoshiDice | [20:02] |
| mircea_popescu | is a company valued at $8.9 million. | [20:02] |
| mircea_popescu | teh wow. | [20:02] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00061878 = 5.8475 BTC [+] | [20:03] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00061925 = 21.1164 BTC [+] | [20:03] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2200 @ 0.00521998 = 11.484 BTC [-] | [20:08] |
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| mircea_popescu | kakobrekla http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/the-title-is-in-the-pudding/ you in the race too ? | [20:14] |
| kakobrekla | hehe | [20:17] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8565 @ 0.00060483 = 5.1804 BTC [-] | [20:17] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13235 @ 0.00060413 = 7.9957 BTC [-] | [20:17] |
| mircea_popescu | :D | [20:18] |
| mircea_popescu | first at #1 wins! | [20:18] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23050 @ 0.00060702 = 13.9918 BTC [+] | [20:30] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2341 @ 0.00521997 = 12.2199 BTC [-] | [20:33] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28736 @ 0.00060702 = 17.4433 BTC [+] | [20:35] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00060783 = 7.0204 BTC [+] | [20:40] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40670 @ 0.00060702 = 24.6875 BTC [-] | [20:48] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3881 @ 0.00060413 = 2.3446 BTC [-] | [20:48] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3652 @ 0.00060354 = 2.2041 BTC [-] | [20:48] |
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| Korbman | ;;ticker | [20:52] |
| gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.50000, Best ask: 17.50001, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 17.56066, 24 hour volume: 57362.31021214, 24 hour low: 16.51001, 24 hour high: 17.59000, 24 hour vwap: 17.04055 | [20:52] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22250 @ 0.00060354 = 13.4288 BTC [-] | [20:55] |
| assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 84 @ 0.009 = 0.756 BTC [+] | [20:59] |
| assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.0091 = 0.91 BTC [+] | [21:00] |
| assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.0092 = 0.92 BTC [+] | [21:01] |
| assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 22 @ 0.0092 = 0.2024 BTC [+] | [21:02] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6343 @ 0.00060658 = 3.8475 BTC [+] | [21:35] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00060783 = 2.8264 BTC [+] | [21:35] |
| midnightmagic | mircea_popescu: You should file for a change of venue next time. #bitcoin-court! :-) | [21:42] |
| mircea_popescu | i think i'm done with experiments in the people range. | [21:43] |
| midnightmagic | volunteer judges, fire and brimstone, damnation! | [21:43] |
| mircea_popescu | i think the best way forward is if one of the lawschools does a summer project for this | [21:43] |
| mircea_popescu | it's just not practical to conscript people off the street for playing the legal scholar. | [21:43] |
| midnightmagic | Actually, that's exactly what happens with justices of the peace. | [21:45] |
| midnightmagic | 6 month course, if that, and voila. | [21:45] |
| midnightmagic | You're a JP. | [21:45] |
| midnightmagic | Arbitration and Mediation, conflict resolution, are all handled by people who two warring parties trust. | [21:45] |
| midnightmagic | whom | [21:46] |
| mircea_popescu | this wasn't supposed to be neither arbitration nor mediation tho. | [21:46] |
| midnightmagic | It is less.. what legal authority could it have possibly exerted? | [21:47] |
| jcpham | blah blah blah | [21:47] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3357 @ 0.00060886 = 2.0439 BTC [+] | [21:48] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00060355 = 3.0178 BTC [-] | [21:48] |
| mircea_popescu | midnightmagic http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/gpg-contracts/ | [21:48] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3198 @ 0.00060354 = 1.9301 BTC [-] | [21:48] |
| midnightmagic | No, some of the assertions in there are wrong. | [21:49] |
| mircea_popescu | ya well. | [21:49] |
| midnightmagic | Aaaanyway, it's too bad you view it as a failure. | [21:50] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6345 @ 0.00060335 = 3.8283 BTC [-] | [21:50] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8655 @ 0.00061156 = 5.2931 BTC [+] | [21:50] |
| midnightmagic | But I'm curious to know why you negrated pigeons? | [21:50] |
| mircea_popescu | cuz i dun trust him. | [21:51] |
| midnightmagic | Why though? | [21:51] |
| mircea_popescu | well, to trust someone means to believe they act in a certain way. | [21:51] |
| mircea_popescu | i can currently make no prediction whatever. that means no trust. | [21:52] |
| jcpham | ;;rated mircea_popescu | [21:52] |
| gribble | You rated user mircea_popescu on Thu Mar 29 06:56:09 2012, giving him a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: His beard is sexy.. | [21:52] |
| midnightmagic | Did you go into the "suit" believing people would decide to let you keep the overage? | [21:53] |
| jcpham | ;;rate pigeons | [21:53] |
| gribble | (rate |
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| jcpham | ;;rated pigeons | [21:53] |
| gribble | You rated user pigeons on Wed Nov 16 14:06:33 2011, giving him a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: super cards. rock & roll. | [21:53] |
| mircea_popescu | midnightmagic what's the overage ? | [21:53] |
| jcpham | ;;rated midnightmagic | [21:53] |
| gribble | You have not yet rated user midnightmagic | [21:53] |
| midnightmagic | mircea_popescu: Perhaps I am misunderstanding. Someone accidentally sent you too much bitcoin, right? | [21:53] |
| midnightmagic | mircea_popescu: You told them to sue you for it in court? | [21:53] |
| jcpham | and then sent 10 more btc | [21:53] |
| jcpham | and then sent he correct amount | [21:53] |
| mircea_popescu | a. no. i specifically went into the suit as an alternative to the "i simply keep it" rule in force. | [21:54] |
| mircea_popescu | so no. if anything, i went into the suit so as NOT to have to keep it. | [21:54] |
| midnightmagic | Isn't that how the judges ruled? | [21:54] |
| mircea_popescu | nope. | [21:54] |
| midnightmagic | They ruled you keep it? | [21:54] |
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| mircea_popescu | the judges ruled that anyone can take any ammount of money from mpex at any time at their option. | [21:54] |
| jcpham | we ruled he pay the fee | [21:55] |
| jcpham | if a rota member tries it and i'm nominated i'm going to take their funds | [21:55] |
| jcpham | and suggest they be replaced | [21:55] |
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| mircea_popescu | jcpham how would you know ? | [21:55] |
| mircea_popescu | bitcoin is anon. | [21:55] |
| midnightmagic | Here's how I understand it. The judges get paid a fee. 3 x 3 BTC (for three judges.) Everything else ended up with its rightful owner, correct? | [21:55] |
| jcpham | maybe in this future case that doesn't exist | [21:56] |
| jcpham | but not in the case that just transpired | [21:56] |
| jcpham | also fuck you for still talking about this | [21:56] |
| jcpham | :) | [21:56] |
| mircea_popescu | im not even, midnightmagic is as usual late to the parties lol | [21:56] |
| mircea_popescu | midnightmagic there's 130 btc that was missent. this was returned. | [21:57] |
| jcpham | haha | [21:57] |
| mircea_popescu | there's 10 btc paid by the op and 10 btc paid by mpex. out of these 20, judges get 9, prevailing party gets 10. | [21:57] |
| dub | thats the way you designed it | [21:57] |
| midnightmagic | Nobody's really giving me a straight answer. Perhaps it only seems like I'm late because I have to wring the truth out of people. | [21:57] |
| mircea_popescu | midnightmagic what srsly ? what straight answer is missing ? | [21:57] |
| dub | midnightmagic: sounds like you had it right | [21:58] |
| jcpham | i provided good suggestion to avoid this edge-case | [21:58] |
| midnightmagic | "the judges ruled that anyone can take any ammount of money from mpex at any time at their option." <-- this is the same, logically, as A-> ? ->C. I'm just trying to find the progression. | [21:58] |
| jcpham | an edgecase of honest people | [21:58] |
| mircea_popescu | midnightmagic but have you read the description of the problem ? | [21:58] |
| mircea_popescu | specifically http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/rota-post-mortem/ ? | [21:58] |
| midnightmagic | mircea_popescu: I thought I had. And then to get confirmation I've been asking people, and nobody, yourself included, can tell me why you're so upset. | [21:59] |
| mircea_popescu | im not upset in the slightest. | [21:59] |
| dub | mircea_popescu: if you had stuck to your rule I'd side with you, but you changed your mind after making him use the rota | [21:59] |
| mircea_popescu | dub which rule ? | [21:59] |
| dub | or at least thats what it looks like | [21:59] |
| dub | the "I keep it" rule | [21:59] |
| midnightmagic | mircea_popescu: The pigeons negrating wasn't the actions of a man who's upset? | [21:59] |
| mircea_popescu | midnightmagic nope. | [22:00] |
| midnightmagic | "pigeons killed my baby"? That isn't retaliatory? | [22:00] |
| mircea_popescu | well i guess it depends. dead babies are supposed to be funny. | [22:00] |
| midnightmagic | Usually funny dead babies are accompanied by a punchline. | [22:00] |
| mircea_popescu | myeah. | [22:01] |
| jcpham | or a blog post. | [22:01] |
| midnightmagic | Actually finding dead babies in a trash can? Not so much.. | [22:01] |
| mircea_popescu | hey, what can i tell you. | [22:01] |
| jcpham | i bet eskimobob is orgasming | [22:01] |
| mircea_popescu | people humor and universe humor don't always mesh | [22:01] |
| midnightmagic | It *sounds* as though you discovered a hole in the logic of the case, in that there's no real way to determine judge and party collusion. | [22:01] |
| dub | jcpham: without doubt he's been slojacking fro the last 24 hours | [22:02] |
| jcpham | herr | [22:02] |
| mircea_popescu | the problem is the judges (unwittingly, i am sure) indemnified the active party | [22:02] |
| mircea_popescu | this can never work, in practice. | [22:02] |
| pigeons | that's ridiculous, there is no whole, if mircea_popescu is afraid of losing court fees he can just credit the original deposit | [22:02] |
| pigeons | *hole | [22:02] |
| midnightmagic | mircea_popescu: Okay, okay. So what were you *hoping* for out of the case? That the judges wouldn't take their fees and all the money gets split evenly so nobody's out? | [22:02] |
| mircea_popescu | more generally, the rota can never work, in practice, because normal, honest, well meaning people have no way to reliably avoid falling in such tarpits. | [22:02] |
| dub | midnightmagic: I get that he was hoping to win and then benevolently refund the other guy | [22:03] |
| mircea_popescu | im not hoping for anything. teh case is resolved, it has shown the system to not be workable, that's what it is. | [22:03] |
| mircea_popescu | dub nah. | [22:03] |
| dub | mircea_popescu: why did you enter into arbitration during the case then? | [22:03] |
| midnightmagic | mircea_popescu: What result *would* have made you say, "the system works" | [22:03] |
| mircea_popescu | dub i did no such thing ? | [22:03] |
| mircea_popescu | midnightmagic the thing suggested in my argument, ie, 92.x% award. person gets his 130, has to pay fee. | [22:04] |
| dub | mircea_popescu: sure you did, you asked him to prove that the txn was his by signing somethign with the key | [22:04] |
| pigeons | mircea_popescu: people aren't so much criticizing you as trying to understand your thinking | [22:04] |
| mircea_popescu | dub that's not in any way arbitration | [22:04] |
| midnightmagic | mircea_popescu: The whole fee? Like the judges fee? | [22:04] |
| mircea_popescu | pigeons i don't feel particularly criticised. | [22:04] |
| mircea_popescu | midnightmagic yes. | [22:04] |
| mircea_popescu | the whole fee. | [22:04] |
| dub | mircea_popescu: well to onlookers such as myself thats exactly what it is | [22:04] |
| midnightmagic | Ohhhh... I see. | [22:04] |
| mircea_popescu | dub i do not know why. i was being stewardly, i guess. trying to help the person along, because otherwise | [22:05] |
| jcpham | i provided excellent suggestions on how to avoid this and i think mircea_popescu has sufficiently CYA'd for the next case of mistaken funds | [22:05] |
| mircea_popescu | if i just said "fiogure it out" i doubt he;d have ever found his way rthrough in time | [22:05] |
| jcpham | no there is just drama | [22:05] |
| midnightmagic | That's it?! | [22:05] |
| mircea_popescu | midnightmagic yes. | [22:05] |
| midnightmagic | ... | [22:06] |
| mircea_popescu | ikr. | [22:06] |
| jcpham | i'm going to go kill myself now | [22:06] |
| mircea_popescu | dead fuckin babies everywhere. | [22:06] |
| dub | mircea_popescu: one of the key aspects of legality is intent, you actions inferred the intent to refund him | [22:06] |
| Bugpowder | I just assumed this was all an MP scheme to get the Rota off the ground and produce credibility that MP was not pulling the strings. | [22:06] |
| midnightmagic | Okay, then let me answer your earlier criticism: I am not late to the party after all. :-) Thank you. I'm just trying to understand. | [22:06] |
| mircea_popescu | dub there's no discussion of intent of deeds and acts made during trial. | [22:06] |
| dub | mircea_popescu: if you actually re-read teh comments with a neutral eye, it actually looks like the rota worked perfectly | [22:06] |
| pigeons | him spelling all that out made me feel why didn't he just go ahead and refund in the first place | [22:06] |
| mircea_popescu | Bugpowder not exactly a scheme, and not to that, no. it was more of a, let them drive see what they do. | [22:07] |
| pigeons | yeah i htink mircea_popescu is pretending to be upset to make people more likely to see oh the rota isnt biased to mpex, let's use it | [22:07] |
| dub | heh | [22:07] |
| midnightmagic | The rota still exists? | [22:07] |
| mircea_popescu | i will be extremely surprised if anyone actually uses it. | [22:07] |
| mircea_popescu | but who knows. | [22:08] |
| mircea_popescu | midnightmagic as much as it ever did. | [22:08] |
| pigeons | no one would ever have used it had you won | [22:08] |
| jcpham | i can only imagine how bad it'll be when an actual mistake is made | [22:08] |
| dub | ^ | [22:08] |
| mircea_popescu | jcpham no, you can't. | [22:08] |
| jcpham | i wish your glass were half full on this | [22:08] |
| midnightmagic | alright, my curiosity is satisfied. Thanks mircea_popescu. I'm sorry I keep persisting beyond the point normal people would. | [22:08] |
| mircea_popescu | midnightmagic not really a crime. | [22:08] |
| midnightmagic | Well, it tends to cause problems.. | [22:09] |
| pigeons | you're not the only one confused midnightmagic | [22:09] |
| jcpham | i'm terribly confused | [22:09] |
| jcpham | but in a decisive way. | [22:10] |
| pigeons | yeah me too | [22:10] |
| jcpham | i rarely second guess myself | [22:10] |
| midnightmagic | It's too bad you're deciding to simply keep misspent bitcoins now, though. | [22:10] |
| pigeons | you second guess having the prevailing plantiff's fees returned? | [22:11] |
| mircea_popescu | midnightmagic cleanner. | [22:11] |
| jcpham | i second guess a normal decison that makes sense | [22:11] |
| jcpham | we should came up with some crazy ruling | [22:11] |
| jcpham | and kept all the coins | [22:11] |
| pigeons | yeah i agree | [22:11] |
| pigeons | and made it cost MP more | [22:11] |
| jcpham | i'd feel a lot better about that today | [22:11] |
| midnightmagic | Okay, lunchtime. :) brb soon as the sante fe rice my wife made is nuked! | [22:11] |
| * | midnightmagic is excited. | [22:11] |
| dub | I too am excited about lunch | [22:12] |
| mircea_popescu | the old "is it better to have tried and failed or to not have tried at all" discussion huh. | [22:12] |
| dub | raw fish slain by my own hand | [22:12] |
| mircea_popescu | im excited about watching a film, so we reconvene once everyone's deexcited lol | [22:12] |
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| assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.0088 = 0.88 BTC [-] | [22:21] |
| dub | ping pe41 | [22:21] |
| dub | cockhat | [22:21] |
| * | Diablo-D3 is now known as Diapolo-D3 | [22:22] |
| assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 59 @ 0.0089 = 0.5251 BTC [+] | [22:22] |
| * | Diapolo-D3 is now known as Diablo-D3 | [22:22] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21839 @ 0.00061156 = 13.3559 BTC [+] | [22:30] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11606 @ 0.00061894 = 7.1834 BTC [+] | [22:30] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00061925 = 10.3415 BTC [+] | [22:30] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20567 @ 0.00061941 = 12.7394 BTC [+] | [22:30] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00062078 = 3.7247 BTC [+] | [22:30] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16488 @ 0.00062092 = 10.2377 BTC [+] | [22:30] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2550 @ 0.00517014 = 13.1839 BTC [-] | [22:30] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.0051843 = 2.3329 BTC [+] | [22:30] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.548 = 10.96 BTC [-] | [22:32] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 11 @ 0.548 = 6.028 BTC [-] | [22:32] |
| midnightmagic | dub: But! Are you excited about... MY lunch? | [22:34] |
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| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.549999 = 3.85 BTC [+] | [22:39] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.0051843 = 2.3329 BTC [+] | [22:40] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1550 @ 0.00521997 = 8.091 BTC [+] | [22:40] |
| * | dub googles | [22:40] |
| dub | typically there is pr0n in google images for santa fe rice | [22:41] |
| dub | looks pretty good though, the food that is | [22:42] |
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| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.548 = 10.96 BTC [-] | [22:43] |
| dub | kinda like a beaner pilaf | [22:43] |
| jurov | so, beware the hole in mpex foyer everyone :D | [22:45] |
| dub | wat? | [22:46] |
| Bugpowder | "Altogether, Avalon’s first batch is expected to contribute a total of 18 TH/s to the Bitcoin network – about eighty percent of the network’s entire hash power at the time of Avalon’s shipping." | [22:46] |
| Bugpowder | 80%? | [22:46] |
| jurov | dub, http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/rota-post-mortem/#comment-91531 | [22:46] |
| Diablo-D3 | 80? | [22:46] |
| Diablo-D3 | the fuck? | [22:46] |
| Bugpowder | math is wrong? | [22:46] |
| Diablo-D3 | we're at what, 25th atm? | [22:47] |
| * | Diablo-D3 checks sipagraph | [22:47] |
| Diablo-D3 | goddamnit sipa | [22:47] |
| Diablo-D3 | http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed.png | [22:47] |
| Diablo-D3 | I have no clue where we are | [22:48] |
| Diablo-D3 | but its at least 18 | [22:48] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13212 @ 0.00062092 = 8.2036 BTC [+] | [22:48] |
| Bugpowder | 22 | [22:49] |
| Bugpowder | some real cat and mouse shit going on with the bid/asks right now | [22:52] |
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| dub | jurov: thats fine imo, we're in the wild west, there is no low requiring fenced holes | [22:57] |
| dub | s/low/law | [22:57] |
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| dub | jurov: if a shop wants to make it very dangerous to go in and buy something, while its at odds with having customers, I don't have a problem with it | [22:58] |
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| dub | jurov: at any rate its good for coinbr! | [23:02] |
| jurov | i don't want to argue about it. just that i found the whole philosophy of placing pitfalls without a good reason just cause this is free country ... er.. lacking | [23:02] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5688 @ 0.00062267 = 3.5417 BTC [+] | [23:03] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15212 @ 0.00060309 = 9.1742 BTC [-] | [23:03] |
| dub | well theres certainly a questionable service paradigm there, if the aim is bringing in more business | [23:04] |
| dub | but thats not unexpected here | [23:04] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11815 @ 0.00062269 = 7.3571 BTC [+] | [23:05] |
| topace | !ticker h sdice | [23:06] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.51000000 / 0.53911573 / 0.56000000 (114 shares, 61.45919280 BTC), 7D: 0.48000000 / 0.54273436 / 0.62000000 (547 shares, 296.87569270 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.46498635 / 0.62000000 (4053 shares, 1884.58969268 BTC) | [23:06] |
| jurov | and it isn't necessarily good for coinbr..next time some lunatic decides to call statjson 10x in second and mircea decides to add a fee to it | [23:07] |
| jurov | or otherwise drop a hammer | [23:07] |
| dub | yes but thats not a new problem | [23:08] |
| jurov | ofc. but such kind of "solutions" unnerves me. | [23:08] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6127 @ 0.00062913 = 3.8547 BTC [+] | [23:08] |
| dub | understandably | [23:08] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8395 @ 0.00062971 = 5.2864 BTC [+] | [23:09] |
| dub | I'm not even sure how to send an exact amount of bitcoins myself | [23:10] |
| dub | doesn't seem to be any way to reliably predict the fee | [23:10] |
| jurov | do you use a client that subtracts the fee from sent amount? O_o | [23:10] |
| jurov | i hope not | [23:11] |
| dub | I use bitcoind which I thing does that yes | [23:11] |
| dub | think* | [23:11] |
| jurov | no it doesn't | [23:11] |
| jurov | you do sendtoaddress 0.12345678 |
[23:11] |
| jurov | and it does send it exactly | [23:11] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 13 @ 0.54999979 = 7.15 BTC [+] | [23:12] |
| jurov | plus fees | [23:12] |
| dub | righto, I am mistaken | [23:12] |
| dub | (sure I've hit this problem before but I don't have access to txn history at the moment | [23:12] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.5499998 = 2.2 BTC [+] | [23:13] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.555 = 1.665 BTC [+] | [23:14] |
| jurov | and if you have less than 0.12345678 + fee in the wallet it disallows you to send anything | [23:14] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5285 @ 0.0006228 = 3.2915 BTC [-] | [23:17] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19307 @ 0.0006174 = 11.9201 BTC [-] | [23:17] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8575 @ 0.0006105 = 5.235 BTC [-] | [23:17] |
| dub | unsure where I got this misconception from, but I've been overpaying people to compensate for a while :) | [23:18] |
| jurov | lol | [23:18] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00521996 = 26.0998 BTC [-] | [23:18] |
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| assbot | [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 5 @ 0.6985 = 3.4925 BTC [-] | [23:19] |
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| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 13 @ 0.53 = 6.89 BTC [-] | [23:23] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 7 @ 0.53 = 3.71 BTC [-] | [23:23] |
| assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.34 = 1.36 BTC [+] | [23:24] |
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| Namworld | Anyone would be willing to lend some BTCTC assets? I'm looking into short selling | [23:26] |
| kakobrekla | are you trying to pull mp on someone else | [23:29] |
| kakobrekla | pull a mp i should say. | [23:29] |
| Namworld | define a mp? | [23:30] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9602 @ 0.00062015 = 5.9547 BTC [+] | [23:35] |
| Namworld | ? | [23:37] |
| mircea_popescu | maek a lot of monyz ? | [23:38] |
| mircea_popescu | by the way, if anyone speaks any chinese : here's a draft of mpex faq http://mpex.co/faq_cn.html | [23:38] |
| mircea_popescu | i would much appreciate any input. | [23:38] |
| mircea_popescu | since i can't read that language. | [23:39] |
| Namworld | Well I'd probably offer better terms than you on contracts. | [23:39] |
| mircea_popescu | actually i imagine that'll become quite the lucrative market in the future. | [23:40] |
| mircea_popescu | prolly end up more or less standardized by practice etc. | [23:41] |
| assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 17 @ 0.53000001 = 9.01 BTC [+] | [23:45] |
| Bugpowder | Is anyone else watching the MONSTER betting that has been going on all day on SDice? | [23:45] |
| Namworld | No | [23:46] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1855 @ 0.00062971 = 1.1681 BTC [+] | [23:47] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10524 @ 0.00062988 = 6.6289 BTC [+] | [23:47] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.00521995 = 52.1995 BTC [-] | [23:49] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00521996 = 26.0998 BTC [+] | [23:49] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3550 @ 0.00523288 = 18.5767 BTC [+] | [23:49] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10000 @ 0.005235 = 52.35 BTC [+] | [23:49] |
| Namworld | Oh, you wanted to sell your stocks, I get it now ; P | [23:50] |
| Bugpowder | no that was me buying | [23:50] |
| Bugpowder | http://satoshidice.com/lookup.php?tx=&limit=1000&min_bet=10&status=ALL | [23:51] |
| Bugpowder | ;;ticker | [23:51] |
| gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 17.30001, Best ask: 17.38900, Bid-ask spread: 0.08899, Last trade: 17.48000, 24 hour volume: 61713.28463152, 24 hour low: 16.51001, 24 hour high: 17.59000, 24 hour vwap: 17.10409 | [23:51] |
| Namworld | Eh, not sure. | [23:52] |
| Namworld | Seems like the earnings are still low for the month | [23:52] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11648 @ 0.00062015 = 7.2235 BTC [-] | [23:52] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18352 @ 0.0006195 = 11.3691 BTC [-] | [23:52] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7500 @ 0.00528204 = 39.6153 BTC [+] | [23:54] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3421 @ 0.00529131 = 18.1016 BTC [+] | [23:54] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2748 @ 0.0006195 = 1.7024 BTC [-] | [23:55] |
| mircea_popescu | Bugpowder how much ? | [23:58] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6479 @ 0.00529131 = 34.2824 BTC [+] | [23:59] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4300 @ 0.00529249 = 22.7577 BTC [+] | [23:59] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 141 @ 0.00534347 = 0.7534 BTC [+] | [23:59] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2080 @ 0.00534611 = 11.1199 BTC [+] | [23:59] |
| Namworld | Enough that there will be a ~500 BTC dividend this month, so far | [23:59] |
| mircea_popescu | http://satoshidice.com/lookup.php?tx=&limit=1000&min_bet=100&status=ALL much better link. 1/4 of the page is today. | [23:59] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8372 @ 0.00061258 = 5.1285 BTC [-] | [23:59] |
| Namworld | 0.00005 per share | [23:59] |
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