Forum logs for 22 Feb 2013

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063173 = 2.7297 BTC [-] [00:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15289 @ 0.00063188 = 9.6608 BTC [+] [00:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 893 @ 0.00063548 = 0.5675 BTC [+] [00:02]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00063072 = 3.0275 BTC [-] [00:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2140 @ 0.00063036 = 1.349 BTC [-] [00:06]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 743 @ 0.00063548 = 0.4722 BTC [+] [00:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00063598 = 10.1757 BTC [+] [00:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2073 @ 0.00063599 = 1.3184 BTC [+] [00:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2181 @ 0.00063036 = 1.3748 BTC [-] [00:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13805 @ 0.00063036 = 8.7021 BTC [-] [00:18]
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maximian s.dice is currently up 10162 BTC for the month, not bad [00:28]
maximian ;;calc 0.00010162 / 0.00597198 [00:28]
gribble 0.0170161320031 [00:28]
maximian yields 1.7% per month at current price [00:28]
maximian what other bitcoin stock performs like that and isn't a scam? [00:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2195 @ 0.00063036 = 1.3836 BTC [-] [00:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063036 = 2.7238 BTC [-] [00:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13805 @ 0.00063036 = 8.7021 BTC [-] [00:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7729 @ 0.00063035 = 4.872 BTC [-] [00:31]
Namworld BTC-BOND pays almost 1% per month [00:31]
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DeadWeasel ;;ticker [00:37]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 29.80001, Best ask: 29.86000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05999, Last trade: 29.86000, 24 hour volume: 33027.28505548, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 29.97800, 24 hour vwap: 29.67916 [00:37]
DeadWeasel is there a command to get gox lag? [00:37]
iz ;;goxlag [00:38]
gribble 0 seconds [00:38]
DeadWeasel thank u, iz [00:38]
iz np [00:38]
jurov How a bitcoin technical question inevitably goes political: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144895.0 [00:38]
jurov funny how one can get psyched about it [00:39]
DeadWeasel christ, 17 pages on that post already? [00:39]
DeadWeasel i saw it start and just ignored it [00:39]
DeadWeasel seems like the right call [00:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4167 @ 0.00063036 = 2.6267 BTC [+] [00:40]
jurov well, it shouldn't worry me as a prospective btc banker at all [00:40]
jurov but i just don't like having 1M limit and transactions with $20 fees [00:41]
jurov as some "members" imagine [00:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00063036 = 2.2693 BTC [+] [00:41]
jurov cause they want to play with their nebulous off-blockchain schemes [00:42]
jurov they even propose to get funding from bitcoin foundation for it [00:42]
jurov as if it was more important than improving the BTC protocol itself [00:43]
kakobrekla makes me wanna spam the blockchain [00:44]
jurov they even told me that instead of having IPv4 with 64bit addresses proper and thus avoiding NAT, [00:44]
jurov IPv6 should have come sooner? [00:44]
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jurov kako, we should just join btc foundation and introduce some healthy reason there [00:46]
jurov fortunately gavin has his wit together, but he seems alone [00:47]
kakobrekla hrm [00:47]
mircea_popescu fortunately gavin has his wit together, but he seems alone << this. [00:48]
mircea_popescu being the bitcoin lead developer is part time kindergarten headmaster. [00:48]
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jurov sauce: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2013/02/21#l5998176 [00:52]
jurov ^ unlike btctalk, peeps are quite intelligent, you may find it bearable to read it [00:53]
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kakobrekla phantomcircuit 1GiB blocks doesn't seem... practical [00:56]
kakobrekla yeah [00:56]
kakobrekla well no difference on the end [00:56]
kakobrekla if its 10 blocks 1 gig or 1 10 gig [00:56]
kakobrekla you can have n blocks in a minute [00:56]
kakobrekla so not really a fix [00:56]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1250 @ 0.00587398 = 7.3425 BTC [-] [00:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063579 = 2.7472 BTC [+] [00:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00063597 = 5.0242 BTC [+] [00:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13805 @ 0.00063598 = 8.7797 BTC [+] [00:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10661 @ 0.00063599 = 6.7803 BTC [+] [00:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3263 @ 0.00063654 = 2.077 BTC [+] [00:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.99 BTC [+] [01:02]
DeadWeasel blockchain takes up 7.6GB on my pc. [01:02]
jurov don't you have terabyte hdd? [01:03]
DeadWeasel no, that's diablo, I have a 500gb and 60gb ssd [01:03]
DeadWeasel coupel of externals if I need [01:03]
DeadWeasel I get the best bang for the buck, and older drives are sellig cheap [01:03]
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DeadWeasel would like to upgrade my ssd, but I'm not sure the OS will reinstall correctly on the the ssd. [01:04]
DeadWeasel Do you know if remastersys is a true ISO installation after you create it? [01:04]
DeadWeasel or does it retain partitions? [01:04]
DeadWeasel nevermind, that's for #linux [01:04]
DeadWeasel brg [01:04]
Diablo-D3 I dont have a 1tb hd [01:04]
DeadWeasel brb [01:04]
DeadWeasel you have 2tb [01:05]
jurov lol [01:05]
Diablo-D3 I have 2 400gb in raid 1, 4x750 in raid 5, and thats now being switched over to 2x2tb raid 1 and Ill have 2 spare 750s [01:05]
DeadWeasel send me a 750 [01:05]
Diablo-D3 and btw, are you on 0.8.0? [01:05]
Diablo-D3 you have two copies of the chain [01:05]
Diablo-D3 one leveldb, one bdb [01:05]
jurov i have one 1.5TB 5400rpm "WD Green" and two bitcoinds happily on top of it [01:05]
Diablo-D3 you dont need the other one anymore [01:05]
DeadWeasel crikey, does that mean 14gb of blockchain? [01:05]
DeadWeasel oh, I have two copies now? [01:06]
Diablo-D3 DeadWeasel: no, the blockchain isnt that big to begin with [01:06]
DeadWeasel why did I have 7.6 gb in my bitcoin qt directory? [01:06]
Diablo-D3 okay I lied [01:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.68 = 1.36 BTC [-] [01:06]
Diablo-D3 apparently the chain IS 7.3gb now [01:06]
Diablo-D3 what the fuck [01:06]
DeadWeasel damn [01:06]
DeadWeasel yeah [01:06]
Diablo-D3 $ du -sh .bitcoin [01:06]
Diablo-D3 7.3G .bitcoin [01:06]
Diablo-D3 when the fuck did that happen [01:06]
DeadWeasel i uninstalled that shit, I had to do a backup [01:06]
DeadWeasel i'll get it back later, thinking of multibit [01:06]
jurov while you were playing satoshidice [01:06]
Diablo-D3 it was only like 3gb a month or tow ago [01:06]
DeadWeasel anyone used that? [01:06]
Diablo-D3 jurov: I hate SD [01:07]
kakobrekla also on a side note, funny, i remember people saying "we are paying banks to hold a number in a db, ridiculus, use btc, be your own bank" [01:07]
Diablo-D3 its bloating the chain with trash [01:07]
kakobrekla well there ya go. [01:07]
iz mo transactions, mo problems... [01:07]
Diablo-D3 I wish I was friedcat [01:07]
DeadWeasel SD is doing that. [01:07]
Diablo-D3 I'd solo mine and refuse tx for SD [01:07]
DeadWeasel but what options is there? it's an economy. [01:07]
DeadWeasel what do you solo mine with? [01:07]
jurov what are you all on? i'll happily accept 1TB blockchain.. its still little price for btc freedom [01:08]
Diablo-D3 DeadWeasel: I dont solo anything, I use p2pool [01:08]
DeadWeasel oh, i saw that wrong [01:08]
jurov you really want btc to be usable off a floppy with 1200 baud connection? [01:08]
Diablo-D3 jurov: becuase if SD keeps continuing at this rate, thats 1GB a year [01:08]
DeadWeasel that would be hilarious. [01:08]
jurov 1GB an year, go on! [01:09]
DeadWeasel my commodore 64 hashing the blockchain. 1 block every 15 years [01:09]
jurov we can manage 1TB a year, it's 2013! [01:09]
jurov someone is stuck in 1990's [01:09]
DeadWeasel it's true, storage technology is keeping pace [01:09]
jborkl I got a 32gb flash drive for 9 bucks [01:09]
DeadWeasel where? [01:10]
DeadWeasel jborkl^ [01:10]
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DeadWeasel you keep your cold wallet on there? [01:10]
jborkl with my external hdd, a coupon extra from best buy [01:10]
DeadWeasel nice [01:10]
jborkl storage is cheap [01:10]
DeadWeasel it is. [01:10]
DeadWeasel i just don't need anymore. [01:10]
DeadWeasel i've got all of 170GB including OS and video/music/docs/dev stuff [01:11]
DeadWeasel lean mean machine [01:11]
DeadWeasel but I'll glady take a 32GB key for $9 [01:11]
DeadWeasel I feel like there is a manipulator keepng the price just under 30 right now [01:11]
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DeadWeasel for the weekend, then use the lemmings and his own power to push past 30.31.32 [01:12]
jurov ;;ticker [01:12]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 29.78090, Best ask: 29.89999, Bid-ask spread: 0.11909, Last trade: 29.90999, 24 hour volume: 32622.24662481, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 29.97800, 24 hour vwap: 29.67901 [01:12]
DeadWeasel then dump again [01:12]
DeadWeasel volume dropping for the evening it seems? [01:12]
midnightmagic jurov: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=135110703125929&w=2 [01:13]
DeadWeasel coingenuity: you there? [01:14]
Diablo-D3 Im thinking about selling my 100btc [01:14]
DeadWeasel why is my invoice from Cheyanne Wyoming, but you say you are all sleeping as if you ar eon the other side of the world? [01:14]
Diablo-D3 and buy some shit I want [01:14]
DeadWeasel Diablo-D3: I feel you. [01:14]
jurov midnightmagic, what do you meant? [01:14]
DeadWeasel I sold to cover my investment, so my money is out, my other 150BTC is all profit if I sell [01:14]
DeadWeasel but I don't know what to do [01:15]
coingenuity DeadWeasel: yes? [01:15]
coingenuity what's cooking [01:15]
Diablo-D3 DeadWeasel: people will probably bitch that Im stealing from dmc, but I dont give two fucks [01:16]
Diablo-D3 its my money, and the money didnt come from dmc [01:16]
Diablo-D3 so they can suck my nuts [01:16]
DeadWeasel coingenuity: Cheyanne WY [01:16]
DeadWeasel but you all sleep during the day? [01:16]
coingenuity no? [01:16]
midnightmagic jurov: What do you mean, what do I mean? I'm not trying to argue or anything, I'm just saying IPv6 kinda sucks for what it's become, and I'm not surprised at all it's not installed everywhere right now. [01:17]
DeadWeasel Weird, you said you were all sleeping when I sent my emails. I'm just making sure my shipments is coming from outside the US [01:17]
DeadWeasel BTW, thank you for INVOICE, makes my taxes much easier [01:17]
DeadWeasel you da man [01:17]
DeadWeasel and for putting up with me. I will likely work with you again. Also, if you have a particular area you need a review in, let me know. [01:17]
coingenuity NP, that's why i made it that way(with a lot of USD numeracy) :D [01:17]
coingenuity your order comes from the USA, but we ship worldwide with no issues excepting some rare countries [01:18]
coingenuity and with special customs forms to make sure you don't get charged taxes, if that is the case in your country [01:18]
DeadWeasel I see, that bitctalk thread was worrisome, felt as if it wsa coming ex-USA. [01:18]
DeadWeasel you might want to clarify on that thread that you are US based. [01:18]
jurov midnightmagic, i see, but it's not so obvious. you could have meant something "ipv6 needs nat too" :) [01:18]
mircea_popescu what's wrong with nat anyway ? [01:18]
pigeons fuck nat and fuck those people that want ipv6 nat [01:18]
DeadWeasel Also, never found anything in my spam. So gmail might be filtering on a higher level. [01:18]
mircea_popescu o.o [01:19]
DeadWeasel shitty. [01:19]
coingenuity DeadWeasel: we're pretty verbose about it, not sure why people get a different impression, but yeah- always ship from the usa, no matter what [01:19]
DeadWeasel fuck IPV6 altogether, the protocol is still shit [01:19]
coingenuity DeadWeasel: even set up our distribution network such that we're close to the biggest airports in the world for expedited global processing ;) [01:19]
coingenuity but yeah, i agree= it looks like a high-level filter to me [01:19]
DeadWeasel coingenuity: that's awesome. The most recent thread doesn't make that clear, and new customers will find that first. [01:19]
DeadWeasel I will update that thread since you've worked so closely with me. [01:20]
jurov mircea_popescu behind nat you are second class net citizen...just cuz some dumbass misallocated the bits [01:20]
coingenuity DeadWeasel: thanks, we do our best to be communicative despite being a small company with people working 20 hour days, lmao [01:20]
mircea_popescu jurov i don't get it ? [01:20]
jurov you share ip address with other users and nobody can connect to your computer directly, you have to initiate the connection or it has to involve third party [01:21]
mircea_popescu the fact that nobody can connect directly to my terminal is perfect. [01:22]
mircea_popescu why should they, why would they. [01:22]
coingenuity mircea_popescu: but i want to! [01:22]
coingenuity >.> [01:22]
mircea_popescu and i don't share the connection at all. i own the ip ranges and i use nat routers pretty much everwhere [01:22]
jurov mircea_popescu, firewall is for that purpose [01:22]
mircea_popescu lol coingenuity [01:22]
jurov mircea_popescu i pay 4 euros/mo for ip addy [01:23]
mircea_popescu jurov i trust a router more than some software solution. [01:23]
jurov it's normal around [01:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063433 = 2.7409 BTC [-] [01:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4579 @ 0.00063402 = 2.9032 BTC [-] [01:23]
jurov firewall can be dedicated, too [01:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 449 @ 0.00063654 = 0.2858 BTC [+] [01:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063688 = 2.752 BTC [+] [01:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7030 @ 0.00063688 = 4.4773 BTC [+] [01:23]
jurov and i really hope your router isn't $10 crap if you trust it so much [01:23]
mircea_popescu well sure. but a router is an inexpensive, widely available, easily deployable well specified item [01:24]
mircea_popescu it's perfect, i don't see whythe hate. [01:24]
pigeons nothing wrong with routers, for routing. [01:24]
jurov it's like... when i got my first non-dialup connection (by putting computer with wificard to attic and scanning the ether lol) [01:25]
mircea_popescu well sure, as a solution to the ip limit problem they're kludgy [01:25]
jurov it was fascinating i can put anything on the computer [01:26]
jurov and anyone in the world can come and see it, use it [01:26]
jurov just, freedom [01:26]
mircea_popescu ya well. [01:26]
jurov behing nat you cant do it [01:26]
mircea_popescu i don't want to do it. [01:26]
mircea_popescu and i specifically get non-wireless routers at that. [01:26]
jurov cuz you can pay $$ to get the server elsewhere [01:27]
mircea_popescu the isp ppl were looking at me like i was a talking bear or something [01:27]
jurov my crazy ideas like public linux shell server aren't welcome at any hosting [01:27]
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jurov at least not like at such price it earns [01:27]
mircea_popescu well wtf, why run a public shell [01:27]
jurov just for fun... and being able to do stuff from behind comapny firewall [01:28]
jurov that doesn't allow ssh [01:28]
mircea_popescu what is this, the semi competent half serious hacker ? [01:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00587398 = 11.748 BTC [-] [01:29]
jurov okay, you play elsewhere [01:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063679 = 2.7516 BTC [-] [01:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5679 @ 0.00063688 = 3.6168 BTC [+] [01:31]
jurov and you know any "fully competent" and "serious" hackers? [01:32]
mircea_popescu yes. also pornstars, escorts, dope dealers, politicians, investors, actresses and rockstars. [01:33]
jurov and were they so competent and serious in their 20s, too? [01:34]
jurov heck, even 30s. lol [01:34]
mircea_popescu actually most hackers give up hacking by the time they're 30 [01:35]
mircea_popescu move on to more respectable endeavours like playing games and shit. [01:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3158 @ 0.00063688 = 2.0113 BTC [+] [01:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10058 @ 0.00063689 = 6.4058 BTC [+] [01:36]
midnightmagic jurov: Nope. I made a comment about it while you were talking with petertodd but I think it was lost in the scrollback. [01:37]
jurov ah now i remember [01:37]
jurov but i think wherther ipv6 is good or not, was besides the point [01:39]
jurov the point is, to allow extending capacity currently well working thing while it is possible [01:39]
jurov otherwise kludgy hacks ensue [01:41]
DeadWeasel anybody have any ideas for my shit site I put up with no original content? http://zeroconfirmations.com [01:41]
DeadWeasel I figure i could review all my dealings with bitocin related businesses [01:42]
DeadWeasel or something [01:42]
DeadWeasel help a brotha out with ideas [01:42]
jurov bitcoin business reviews would not be bad [01:43]
pigeons DeadWeasel: fake quote alert on the ben franklin [01:43]
DeadWeasel haha thanks pigeons [01:43]
DeadWeasel you never know with that shit [01:43]
DeadWeasel how did you know? [01:43]
DeadWeasel i'll deal with it later. [01:43]
DeadWeasel the Woman is yelling at me. Send me Ideas, they stored in the log [01:43]
pigeons cause its the declaration of independence not the constitution that mentions "pursuit of happiness (property)" [01:44]
pigeons well, really cause he never said that [01:44]
jurov quote Linus Torvalds instead: Bitcoin is user friendly. It just chooses who his friends are. [01:48]
kakobrekla DeadWeasel, you can change anon to pseudonymous to be more correct [01:51]
jurov or "He Who Shall Not Be Named" [01:52]
kakobrekla DeadWeasel and id put drugs on that list on the last place if needs to be [01:52]
jurov and third row should be "Virtual Private Shows" [01:52]
DeadWeasel I have two minutes, those are all awesome suggestions and will be fixed [01:53]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [01:54]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 29.80009, Best ask: 29.80010, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 29.80000, 24 hour volume: 34766.89802243, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 29.97800, 24 hour vwap: 29.68182 [01:54]
DeadWeasel awesome stuff. I put this together in two hours with no idea for content. The first paragraph is too preachy I think [01:54]
kakobrekla tldr [01:54]
DeadWeasel I'll reorder and word much. It won't go truly live until I have some content [01:54]
thestringpuller Namworld: where you at? [01:54]
DeadWeasel but I wanted ya'll input [01:54]
DeadWeasel thank you! [01:54]
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DeadWeasel pigeons, good to know, thx [01:55]
jurov and you forgot bitcoin investments completely [01:55]
DeadWeasel so I'll stick to the reviews Idea [01:55]
jurov being on #bitcoin-assets, quite weird :) [01:55]
DeadWeasel I'll review investments as I try them [01:55]
DeadWeasel bitfunder is my only experience [01:55]
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DeadWeasel i'm not an mpex high roller [01:56]
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DeadWeasel just a peon [01:56]
jurov you can try coinbr, i have some tips for bugs [01:56]
kakobrekla yeah #bitcoin-assets got its own page, its just not public yet [01:56]
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DeadWeasel i'll go through this log after dinner and make adjustments. This is great stuff. [01:56]
jurov so you can write scathing review [01:56]
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DeadWeasel jurov: thanks! hahaha, you can let me know [01:56]
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DeadWeasel I'll have to sort out comments [01:56]
DeadWeasel gotta roll before lady get's mad. [01:57]
kakobrekla domesticate her differently. [01:57]
jurov oh, you're here instead in bed with wife? good lad [01:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00063673 = 10.7607 BTC [-] [02:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00063411 = 3.1706 BTC [-] [02:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 364 @ 0.00063403 = 0.2308 BTC [-] [02:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00584883 = 2.9244 BTC [-] [02:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00584883 = 1.7546 BTC [-] [02:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00584882 = 2.9244 BTC [-] [02:02]
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burnside hey all, how goes it? [02:07]
burnside kakobrekla I've seen a few mentions of LTC-GLOBAL here. I didn't really think there would be, but if there's interest in tying that in for trading I'm happy to. [02:08]
burnside could probably convert to btc on the fly or something if that made more sense. [02:09]
burnside with assbot that is [02:09]
thestringpuller 18:35 < mircea_popescu> actually most hackers give up hacking by the time they're 30 [02:09]
thestringpuller 18:35 < mircea_popescu> actually most hackers give up hacking by the time they're 30 << http://24.media.tumblr.com/9a38d3e2ad6140232d68005eaa93409f/tumblr_mfr20sz41o1rmoufuo1_500.gif [02:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00063689 = 3.7577 BTC [+] [02:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063415 = 2.7402 BTC [-] [02:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10044 @ 0.00063403 = 6.3682 BTC [-] [02:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3507 @ 0.00063402 = 2.2235 BTC [-] [02:17]
Bowjob so any idea why dice tanked? [02:20]
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BitHub its tanking? [02:22]
pigeons no [02:23]
pigeons down a little today [02:23]
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Bowjob kinda far from .73 [02:24]
burnside I bought in right before the big 2 mil sale, heh. couldn't have timed it worse. [02:25]
Bowjob that whale is gonna have to work lots of hours at mcdicks [02:26]
Bowjob to make up for his 37k btc loss [02:26]
Namworld Just one million [02:26]
burnside maybe sleep in a cot in the corner [02:26]
Namworld That guy probably had the most fun of his life gambling. His 1 million lasted quite a long time for many bets [02:27]
Bowjob he still has around 3k left [02:27]
Bowjob i wonder why hed stop [02:27]
Namworld He's waiting for his 3k to be worth 1 million [02:28]
Namworld xD [02:29]
burnside might not be all that long. heh [02:29]
Bowjob he'd be better if he just sat with his 40k [02:30]
Bowjob lol [02:30]
Bowjob http://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/ [02:30]
Bowjob It closed now [02:30]
Bowjob 900 vs 800 BTC [02:30]
Bowjob I hope the 900 wins [02:30]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 6 @ 0.00065 = 0.0039 BTC [+] [02:32]
Namworld I hope people buy more of these PT of mine [02:33]
Namworld I need to cycle selling and buying more. Reach a worthwhile outstanding amount. [02:34]
DeadWeasel jurov: VPS, virutal private shows? [02:35]
DeadWeasel jurov: you mean cams? [02:35]
DeadWeasel you pulling my chain [02:35]
DeadWeasel ? [02:35]
Bowjob Oh hoh ho [02:36]
Bowjob Sticky: 20 - 31 cm of snow is enough to paralyse bfl.location [02:36]
Namworld DeadWeasel, what? [02:38]
DeadWeasel he's giving me feedback on a total shit site I just jammed up on an EC2 server. [02:40]
Namworld ah [02:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063601 = 2.7482 BTC [+] [02:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22479 @ 0.00063596 = 14.2957 BTC [-] [02:49]
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thestringpuller Namworld: [02:52]
thestringpuller i msged you [02:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2971 @ 0.00063596 = 1.8894 BTC [-] [02:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13229 @ 0.00063402 = 8.3875 BTC [-] [02:52]
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DeadWeasel here are my updates: http://54.235.171.204/zero.html [03:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4142 @ 0.00063689 = 2.638 BTC [+] [03:05]
DeadWeasel Namworld: , kakobrekla , pigeons http://54.235.171.204/zero.html [03:06]
pigeons Ukto: who are these guys? https://bitfunder.com/asset/ASIC.COOP [03:06]
DeadWeasel usagi: give me input if you have time http://54.235.171.204/zero.html [03:08]
DeadWeasel usagi: I DON"T KNOW [03:09]
BitHub looks a bit dodgy pigeons [03:09]
BitHub i wouldn't buy any :/ [03:09]
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DeadWeasel usagi: I think i will mostly do reviews of services I've used [03:09]
DeadWeasel and continue to use. become the angies list of bitcoin services [03:09]
DeadWeasel my idea anyway [03:09]
BitHub ASIC.COOP owns a 3 BitForce Single SC order. The order date is July 14th 2012. - and they want 1btc a share? [03:10]
DeadWeasel reputation based currency, reputation directory [03:10]
BitHub are they serious? [03:10]
* BitHub smells a scam [03:10]
DeadWeasel hahahahaha, asic.coop [03:10]
DeadWeasel BS [03:10]
pigeons DeadWeasel: check out stuffexists.com for inspiration on angies list type thing. needs updating though [03:10]
DeadWeasel thanks! [03:10]
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DeadWeasel pigeons: that is a huge resource. gracias! [03:12]
Namworld yeah but they suck... [03:15]
burnside deadweasel, I'd be interested in a review of btct.co [03:16]
burnside if you've used the other exchanges a bit, I'm always looking for ways to improve. [03:16]
DeadWeasel Only bitfunder and setup an account on btct.co [03:17]
DeadWeasel it would take me a week, since I ahve a full time job. [03:17]
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DeadWeasel But I am going with the review angle. Just got ot sort it out. and the rest of the HTML [03:17]
DeadWeasel burnside: ^^ [03:18]
DeadWeasel usagi: I'll check it out, add it to the list [03:18]
burnside sounds great, let me know what you come up with. [03:18]
burnside definitely check out cryptostocks too [03:18]
burnside and coinbr.com [03:18]
DeadWeasel it's on my to do list now. [03:18]
burnside usagi I think everyone has quality control issues. it's a huge challenge for all the exchanges. [03:19]
thestringpuller ;;bc,stats [03:20]
gribble Current Blocks: 222447 | Current Difficulty: 3651011.630693214 | Next Difficulty At Block: 223775 | Next Difficulty In: 1328 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4341299.39731 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.90675 [03:20]
burnside even MPEx which has been pretty picky has had some stuff go bad. [03:20]
thestringpuller !ticker m X.IDIFF.MAR [03:20]
assbot [MPEX:X.IDIFF.MAR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.07595 / 0.07595 / 0.07595 (8 shares, 0.61 BTC), 30D: 0.0429 / 0.06540414 / 0.089 (338 shares, 22.11 BTC) [03:20]
burnside That would definitely help [03:21]
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burnside I was thinking about having a requirement that you actually have been in business for at least 6 months before listing [03:21]
DeadWeasel listing fees should be higher [03:21]
burnside at least for the stocks and bonds [03:21]
DeadWeasel make it an escrow kind of hting. [03:21]
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burnside The escrow side of things I've thought a lot about. The problem is that if the goal is for them to raise funds, well then escrow completely negates the benefit of raising funds. [03:23]
burnside what's the point of selling shares if the company can't use the cash [03:23]
DeadWeasel i see. well, if they want to list, they have to put up the trust cash [03:23]
DeadWeasel they will make much more if htey are worht it. If they do well, it is returned [03:23]
DeadWeasel this is the real world. it can't always be run by the seat of our pants [03:24]
pigeons https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Contracts#Example_3:_Assurance_contracts [03:24]
burnside one of the things we considered early on was having trading fees higher on the new assets. would deter traders who are not confident in the new asset. [03:24]
DeadWeasel to safeguard your good name as an exchange, that is totally worth it. [03:26]
DeadWeasel even if you have only 5 assets... it's better than 15 with 10 bad [03:26]
DeadWeasel more money for those 5 [03:26]
DeadWeasel because more trust, more per person, maybe more people if the trust is high enough [03:26]
DeadWeasel quality over quantity, if you can prove that, you will be the #1 exchange. [03:27]
DeadWeasel proving that means high standards [03:27]
burnside that's very true [03:27]
DeadWeasel mirceaP is not nice, but he keeps out the riff-raff pretty well [03:27]
burnside that's largely why I put together the moderation system [03:27]
DeadWeasel i will have to check it out, sorry I haven't yet. Will do very soon. [03:27]
burnside hoping that XX voters in the community will be more eyes and ears into scams than just myself [03:28]
DeadWeasel cannot rely on that. You can trust them, but you MUST VERIFY with your own investigation, personal communcation [03:28]
DeadWeasel TRUST, but VERIFY [03:28]
DeadWeasel without that, btc users are fucked [03:28]
DeadWeasel all of us [03:28]
DeadWeasel and it's very difficult on here [03:28]
DeadWeasel OTC is good start, poor execution and easily games, but it's children may be better. [03:29]
DeadWeasel gotta see that for myself to even understand it [03:29]
burnside controls in which sense? [03:30]
pigeons burnside did sniff out a user transferring shares for the purpose of voting to get an asset approved and made appropriate changes to the system [03:30]
DeadWeasel the whole asset thing i feel can be gamed by someone with enough cash and know-how [03:31]
DeadWeasel ont he small exchanges, anyway [03:31]
burnside creating the account to vote you now have to wait 7 days, not impossible, but spendy and a pita [03:32]
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pigeons i assume people will go to the url in your contract to look for the other side of the story [03:32]
Bowjob ;;ticker [03:33]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 29.79028, Best ask: 29.89690, Bid-ask spread: 0.10662, Last trade: 29.79028, 24 hour volume: 35115.23774819, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 29.97800, 24 hour vwap: 29.68355 [03:33]
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burnside I'm going to implement something that will show the public each mods vote history as well. it'll still be anon, but if patterns don't match up, then some abuse will get caught [03:33]
burnside working on a way to respond to the comments too, it'll be a generic shoutbox kind of thing, but should help out. [03:34]
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burnside yeah, I'm not going to be a judge at a podium determining who passes and fails. I don't think I have the necessary skills to be fair about it. [03:36]
burnside I don't. I think just like GLBSE, it's going to end up being a fatal flaw in some of the other exchanges. [03:37]
burnside I do however feel like a pool of people with a vested interest in the well being of the exchange will do a better job. [03:38]
burnside Surely the decision to list or not list an asset on the NYSE does not come down to just one person. I need to look into it more, but I'm almost certain there's some kind of board that gets together and works things out. [03:39]
burnside Of course, money talks, but you get the idea. [03:39]
burnside I have the lawyer, that's why it's setup the way it is. [03:40]
burnside Belize I just have to do an annual report for taxes. [03:40]
burnside The rest of the reporting I'll probably be able to code into the exchange so you could pull a report automatically if you're a current shareholder. [03:41]
burnside We'll need to grow significantly before we can afford auditing, but it would definitely be a good problem to have. ;) [03:42]
burnside Yeah, I like that feature, very cool. [03:42]
burnside I get nervous about stuff like that though. 5 BTC and a user could attach a doc with a virus in it, guaranteed to reach all of the site mods. Dangerous. [03:43]
burnside Ahhh, I gotcha, that makes sense. [03:43]
BitHub there's two phrases that scare the shit out of me "Hi, we're the government and we're here to help you with your business" [03:43]
burnside The exchange fees for the asset issuers is a vector I hadn't considered. I'll definitely think about it. [03:43]
burnside yeah, jpeg, png, pdf, they all have attack vectors unfortunately [03:44]
burnside so while I love the feature, and would love to implement it, you kind of get a feel for the things I have to take into account. [03:45]
burnside I need like two different versions of a command line AV scanner in place first. heh. [03:45]
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burnside even that wouldnt' catch hand-crafted attacks [03:46]
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Bugpowder here we go [03:53]
Bugpowder ;;ticker [03:53]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 29.79041, Best ask: 29.93315, Bid-ask spread: 0.14274, Last trade: 29.79038, 24 hour volume: 38554.58576011, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.00000, 24 hour vwap: 29.71137 [03:53]
burnside catch y'all later. time to clock out. [03:54]
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Bugpowder ;;asks 30 [03:56]
gribble There are currently 5050.5032 bitcoins offered at or under 30.0 USD, worth 151511.635244 USD in total. [03:56]
Bugpowder ;;bids 29 [03:56]
gribble There are currently 7131.364 bitcoins demanded at or over 29.0 USD, worth 209361.72919 USD in total. [03:56]
Bowjob We reached 30 high [03:58]
Bowjob GG fuckers [03:58]
Bowjob :D [03:58]
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Bowjob ;;ticker [04:01]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 29.89000, Best ask: 29.93314, Bid-ask spread: 0.04314, Last trade: 29.89000, 24 hour volume: 38502.76342113, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.00000, 24 hour vwap: 29.71217 [04:01]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00063705 = 7.8676 BTC [+] [04:06]
Bugpowder Bowjob: How is that S.DICE price doing??? [04:07]
Bowjob Profits seem to be up, that dump by erik didnt help speculators [04:07]
Bugpowder what dump? [04:07]
Bowjob But its no where near your 0.2 predictions [04:07]
Bugpowder did he sell another million? [04:07]
Bowjob i dont know, there was a recent sell of, who knows from where [04:08]
Bowjob *off [04:08]
Bugpowder I think he would ahve annouced it [04:08]
Bowjob could be from a profiteer [04:08]
Namworld Well someone selling 1+ million is not unheard of... [04:08]
Bugpowder Well. The funny thing is, right when a new address shows up with some decent coin, the selloff finally starts [04:08]
Bowjob It probably wont hit the 0.2 target price you're lookinh for [04:08]
Bugpowder We will see [04:08]
Bugpowder if more addresses come online [04:09]
Bugpowder then it wont [04:09]
Bowjob Maybe I'll sell just before the dividends [04:09]
Bowjob but I see a few baby whales [04:09]
Bugpowder It hasn't dropped after divvys last two times [04:09]
Bugpowder surprisingsly [04:09]
Bowjob probably down this time around [04:09]
pigeons yeah i would at least take your dividends [04:09]
Bugpowder Yah could be the last great month [04:09]
Bowjob well.. i speculate the dividends will go down [04:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8848 @ 0.00063705 = 5.6366 BTC [+] [04:09]
Bowjob i mean the share price will go down [04:10]
Bowjob after the dividends [04:10]
Bugpowder Or we could just be warming up! [04:10]
Bowjob so i need to sell the shares before this thing tanks.. [04:10]
Bowjob or goes to the moon [04:10]
Bowjob right now its looking stable condition [04:10]
Bowjob pretty soon those whales will figure out they cant win.. lol [04:11]
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Bowjob also it seems that bfl wont ship theirs this month [04:11]
pigeons yeah because gamblers always learn [04:11]
Namworld Bowjob: I'm pretty sure most already know they can't win... [04:13]
Bowjob We'll still go up from 30 [04:13]
Namworld and gamble for fun and to show they have lots of spare money [04:14]
Bowjob Theres this dude, proudhon.. quite a bear. if he turns into a bull, we know the things gonna crash [04:14]
Bowjob lol [04:14]
Namworld Thing is gonna crash no matter what [04:14]
Bowjob of course.. crash [04:15]
Bugpowder ;;asks [04:15]
gribble (asks [--over] ) -- Calculate the amount of bitcoins for sale at or under . If '--over' option is given, find coins or at or over . [04:15]
Bowjob upwards [04:15]
Bowjob :) [04:15]
Bugpowder ;;asks 30 [04:15]
gribble There are currently 3601.3139 bitcoins offered at or under 30.0 USD, worth 108039.417301 USD in total. [04:15]
Namworld No, downward [04:15]
Bugpowder I'm taking 15% off the table [04:15]
DeadWeasel ;ticker [04:15]
Bugpowder as soon as I get 6 confirms [04:15]
DeadWeasel ;;ticker [04:15]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 29.91002, Best ask: 29.99999, Bid-ask spread: 0.08997, Last trade: 29.91000, 24 hour volume: 42286.15180078, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.00000, 24 hour vwap: 29.73967 [04:15]
Namworld and wall @ 30 is breaking [04:16]
Bugpowder the 30 wall is getting eaten fucking fast now that we are touching it [04:16]
Bugpowder people know that once it goes, we go up a dollar [04:16]
Bugpowder fast [04:16]
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DeadWeasel ;;ticker [04:18]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.05000, Best ask: 30.09999, Bid-ask spread: 0.04999, Last trade: 30.10000, 24 hour volume: 44229.13560627, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.10000, 24 hour vwap: 29.75268 [04:18]
DeadWeasel going [04:18]
Bugpowder gone [04:18]
DeadWeasel ;;ticker [04:18]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.05000, Best ask: 30.17900, Bid-ask spread: 0.12900, Last trade: 30.17900, 24 hour volume: 44329.13560627, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.17900, 24 hour vwap: 29.75355 [04:18]
DeadWeasel fast [04:18]
DeadWeasel whales fucking slingshot us over [04:18]
Bugpowder time to pull my call sales [04:19]
Namworld yeah [04:19]
DeadWeasel um, whats a call sale? [04:21]
DeadWeasel you put in a sell at a $30? [04:21]
DeadWeasel ignoramus needs education [04:21]
Bugpowder mpex options [04:21]
DeadWeasel thx [04:21]
Bowjob suppose we hit 32 [04:21]
Bowjob the what [04:21]
Bugpowder I was selling $25, 26 and 27s. [04:22]
DeadWeasel then my investment is safe. and I'm making 1500, plus some btc left over to try to increase on lows/highs on gox [04:23]
DeadWeasel get my btc back on drops [04:23]
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Namworld someone buy all my PT shares. I wanna be the guy who sells at the top. [04:25]
Namworld I'm holding too many shares right now. [04:25]
DeadWeasel pt shares? [04:26]
Bugpowder passthru/ [04:26]
Bugpowder argh [04:26]
DeadWeasel ;;ticker [04:26]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.20000, Best ask: 30.23000, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 30.20000, 24 hour volume: 44696.56851652, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.30000, 24 hour vwap: 29.75824 [04:26]
DeadWeasel going to 31 [04:26]
kakobrekla ;;bc,convert eur [04:26]
gribble 1 BTC = 30.30000 U.S. dollars = 22.6322079 Euros [04:26]
Namworld I'm selling S.DICE/S.MPOE/S.BBET on BTCT.co for those who can't pay 30 BTC for an MPEx account. [04:27]
DeadWeasel thank jebus, that wall is resetting down near 31 [04:27]
DeadWeasel we'll see though [04:27]
Bowjob guys [04:28]
Bowjob I figured it out [04:28]
Bowjob .!!! [04:28]
Bowjob Why the recent price surge [04:28]
Bowjob http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/08/22/dead_bear_killed_and_poached.jpg [04:28]
DeadWeasel ;;asks 31.25 [04:28]
gribble There are currently 4662.0557 bitcoins offered at or under 31.25 USD, worth 143761.456325 USD in total. [04:28]
Bowjob :D [04:28]
Namworld lol... someone bought bitcoins and killed all the bears... [04:29]
DeadWeasel this is insane buying. plutocracy of whales [04:29]
DeadWeasel eatne up [04:29]
Bugpowder fuk u gox. I got 8 confirms [04:30]
Bugpowder where is my coins [04:30]
DeadWeasel me too [04:30]
DeadWeasel piss me off [04:30]
Bugpowder well [04:30]
Chaang-Noi ;;asks 30 [04:31]
gribble There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 30.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. [04:31]
Bugpowder maybe this will just make me more money [04:31]
Bugpowder lol [04:31]
Chaang-Noi hehe [04:31]
DeadWeasel ha [04:31]
Bugpowder ;;asks 31 [04:31]
gribble There are currently 3364.4518 bitcoins offered at or under 31.0 USD, worth 103884.668102 USD in total. [04:31]
DeadWeasel awesome [04:31]
Bugpowder ;;asks 32 [04:31]
DeadWeasel here we go [04:31]
gribble There are currently 13676.531 bitcoins offered at or under 32.0 USD, worth 431569.109649 USD in total. [04:31]
Bowjob This is some historic shit going on [04:31]
DeadWeasel stop before 32? [04:32]
Bowjob Guys are we growing too fast?? [04:32]
DeadWeasel next plateaut? [04:32]
DeadWeasel ahahaha [04:32]
DeadWeasel yes Bowjob [04:32]
DeadWeasel but profit now, ask questions later [04:32]
Bowjob LOL [04:32]
DeadWeasel it may crash, we buy back [04:32]
Bowjob :D [04:32]
Bowjob K, sell at 32, buy back at $1? [04:32]
DeadWeasel damn right, closer to 6-10, but yes [04:32]
Namworld I don't think it will crash to 1 this time. [04:33]
Bowjob Getting slightly nervous now [04:33]
Namworld We might just go to 50 and crash to 10. [04:33]
Bowjob We are going way too effing high [04:33]
Bowjob Id prefer 1-2 dollars per month [04:33]
kakobrekla too bad its not about what you prefer [04:33]
Bugpowder I would prefer $50 tonight [04:33]
Bowjob I made a bullshit prediction picture, lemme see if i can find it [04:33]
pigeons http://loophole4all.com/ [04:33]
Bowjob the real results are even better [04:33]
assbot [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 5 @ 0.58 = 2.9 BTC [-] [04:34]
DeadWeasel they are good fun [04:34]
DeadWeasel 3.42 K to get to 01 [04:34]
DeadWeasel 31 [04:34]
DeadWeasel ;;ticker [04:35]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.46999, Best ask: 30.47000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 30.46999, 24 hour volume: 45550.22658526, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.55000, 24 hour vwap: 29.77235 [04:35]
DeadWeasel struggle to break 31, sell bell curve around 31.50 [04:36]
DeadWeasel tiny transactoins, penny bot HAMMERING [04:36]
Bowjob how come gox shows at 30.5 [04:36]
Bowjob for me [04:36]
DeadWeasel UP UP UP [04:36]
DeadWeasel I just saw 30 buys at .10 up up up [04:36]
DeadWeasel someone is jamming this thing hard [04:37]
Bugpowder god [04:37]
Bugpowder I lost so much money on Seal [04:37]
Bugpowder seals [04:37]
DeadWeasel probably let lemming fill in, then dump at 6:50AM eastern time. [04:37]
DeadWeasel I've noticed that trend [04:37]
Bugpowder 150BTC was not that much back when I started [04:37]
Bugpowder fuck an a [04:37]
kakobrekla yeah when i feel bad, i think of a pizza guy. [04:38]
DeadWeasel hahaha [04:38]
DeadWeasel pizza guy [04:38]
DeadWeasel he did a service to us all. the first real media [04:38]
DeadWeasel here's to pizza guy [04:38]
Bugpowder seriously though 9 confirms [04:38]
Bugpowder where are mah coins [04:38]
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Bugpowder This is why its going up [04:38]
DeadWeasel i'm at 5 [04:38]
Bugpowder nobody can get their coins in [04:38]
DeadWeasel cos nobody can get btc in [04:38]
Bugpowder 30.65 [04:39]
kakobrekla i have about 50 there [04:39]
kakobrekla if anyone wants em [04:39]
Bugpowder nah [04:39]
Bugpowder I will wait [04:39]
Namworld MtGox says: No one deposits/sell before we do... all sales suspended [04:39]
Namworld We rich, you suck [04:39]
DeadWeasel haha [04:40]
DeadWeasel true that [04:40]
DeadWeasel stuck on 5 txns [04:41]
DeadWeasel shittles [04:41]
DeadWeasel good times tonight, folks. [04:41]
Bugpowder funded [04:41]
DeadWeasel ;;slap Bugpowder [04:41]
* gribble slaps Bugpowder with a humid gat [04:41]
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DeadWeasel ;;slap truffles [04:41]
* gribble slaps truffles with a out of line carafe [04:41]
DeadWeasel ;;slap DeadWeasel [04:41]
* gribble slaps DeadWeasel with a deep-fried manliness [04:41]
DeadWeasel nice [04:41]
kakobrekla stop with the unnecessary spam [04:42]
Bugpowder I'm gonna kitll the rally [04:42]
DeadWeasel sry [04:42]
DeadWeasel ;;slap kakobrekla [04:42]
* gribble slaps kakobrekla with a few six-shooter [04:42]
DeadWeasel i love you man [04:42]
DeadWeasel :) [04:42]
DeadWeasel put in your changes to my shite website, btw [04:43]
DeadWeasel good input [04:43]
DeadWeasel more will be done tomorrow [04:43]
Namworld BUGPOWDER, NOT YET! [04:43]
Namworld WAIT TILL THERE'S A LONG THIN LINE OF BIDS! [04:43]
kakobrekla THIS IS CAPS LOCK NATION [04:44]
Namworld then you can sell in multiple mini increments and crash like half a USD/BTC each time [04:44]
Chaang-Noi i cant load charts lol [04:44]
kakobrekla wtf is up with ppl here latley, all on drugs. [04:44]
Bugpowder gawd its so laggy [04:44]
Bugpowder I have asks below the bid price up for 2 minutes [04:44]
DeadWeasel gox is hammered [04:44]
Bowjob We are going to the moon landing! [04:44]
Chaang-Noi hmm, btc people now have a lot of btc... hmm what can they use them for.. drugs? :) [04:44]
kakobrekla silk road became too cheap with this btc value rise [04:44]
kakobrekla errybodys doing it [04:44]
Bowjob You know what.. this place is full of noise!! [04:45]
Bowjob The best strat.. is to buy bitcoins and forget them [04:45]
Chaang-Noi silk road going to be sold out pretty damn soon [04:45]
Bowjob check in 2 years and find youself a millionaire [04:45]
Bowjob but Nooooooooooooo [04:45]
Namworld Bowjob: except the private key, never forget that one. [04:45]
Bowjob no one simply gets out of bitcoin news [04:45]
DeadWeasel so, when it crashes, how to do by btc by CC? [04:46]
DeadWeasel :) [04:47]
DeadWeasel raised my limit just for that [04:47]
kakobrekla your actions are useless [04:47]
kakobrekla would assbot say. [04:47]
Bowjob Man. wheres my ASIC [04:48]
Bowjob lol [04:48]
DeadWeasel sells went up [04:50]
DeadWeasel ;;ticker [04:50]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.24001, Best ask: 30.34990, Bid-ask spread: 0.10989, Last trade: 30.24001, 24 hour volume: 46512.50490835, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.65000, 24 hour vwap: 29.78649 [04:50]
DeadWeasel got out at 30.4 [04:51]
kakobrekla where is your SL ant TP? [04:52]
kakobrekla and [04:52]
DeadWeasel less acronyms, more info [04:53]
DeadWeasel I'm a just small time douche who got in with his life savings and got out with 50% more, plus an extra 100btc to play with now [04:53]
Bowjob ;;ask [04:53]
gribble Error: "ask" is not a valid command. [04:53]
Bowjob ;;ticker [04:53]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.14601, Best ask: 30.35899, Bid-ask spread: 0.21298, Last trade: 30.35899, 24 hour volume: 46579.10632984, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.65000, 24 hour vwap: 29.78865 [04:53]
Bowjob maybe someone wants to make the price of bitcoin the same as pi [04:54]
Bowjob but shift the decimal place over [04:54]
kakobrekla right [04:54]
kakobrekla less talk more read [04:54]
DeadWeasel i need more read, no doubt [04:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4351 @ 0.00064073 = 2.7878 BTC [+] [04:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064112 = 2.7703 BTC [+] [04:55]
Bugpowder Time to put the Tesla deposit down :) [04:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3673 @ 0.00064113 = 2.3549 BTC [+] [04:55]
DeadWeasel 3.14159265359 [04:55]
Bugpowder 265358929323846264338327950288419713939937510 [04:56]
Bugpowder I think.... [04:56]
Bowjob how about 31.4159 [04:56]
DeadWeasel damn skippy [04:56]
Bowjob :) [04:56]
DeadWeasel close, with decimal errros [04:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61524 @ 0.00064113 = 39.4449 BTC [+] [04:58]
Bugpowder Boom [04:58]
Bugpowder out [04:58]
Bugpowder done [04:58]
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Bugpowder now let the rally continue [04:58]
Bugpowder PLEASE [04:58]
Bugpowder till tomorrow night at least [04:58]
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mircea_popescu lol [04:59]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [04:59]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.10000, Best ask: 30.19999, Bid-ask spread: 0.09999, Last trade: 30.19999, 24 hour volume: 48532.80588620, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.65000, 24 hour vwap: 29.80061 [04:59]
Bowjob Oh no!! [04:59]
Bowjob We are crashing [04:59]
Bowjob :/ [04:59]
DeadWeasel seems dead [04:59]
DeadWeasel dumped 2k in there [05:01]
Bugpowder btce needs to move a wall [05:01]
Bowjob I want a wall at 1000 [05:02]
Diablo-D3 we need like 5 blocks right htis second [05:03]
kakobrekla spam detected [05:03]
kakobrekla manually [05:03]
Bugpowder TESSSSSSLA [05:04]
Bowjob I want a bored billionaire play around with BTC [05:04]
DeadWeasel me too [05:04]
DeadWeasel yes, got my btc out at 30.3 [05:04]
DeadWeasel now crash [05:04]
Diablo-D3 you do realize [05:05]
Diablo-D3 if I sell my btc now [05:05]
Diablo-D3 btc will go straight to 60 [05:05]
Bugpowder it WILL GO UP [05:05]
Bugpowder YES [05:05]
Bugpowder SELL [05:05]
Bugpowder SELL [05:05]
Bugpowder SELL [05:05]
Diablo-D3 when I sold a lot of them at 15 [05:05]
Bowjob ah you guys are hysterical [05:05]
Diablo-D3 back before the last peak [05:05]
Diablo-D3 a month later it hit the historical peak [05:06]
assbot terrible is what it is. [05:06]
Bowjob if someone bought at 32.. then forgot about btc [05:06]
Bowjob and check back now [05:06]
Bowjob tjheyd be.. hmm [05:06]
Bowjob nothing wrong [05:06]
Bowjob lol [05:06]
Diablo-D3 lol [05:06]
Bowjob thats why.. we need to stop watching the markets [05:06]
Diablo-D3 Im going to make some food [05:07]
Diablo-D3 the send should be done by then [05:07]
DeadWeasel Bugpowder: go eat, it always goes up [05:07]
Bugpowder hehe [05:07]
Bugpowder time to drink actually [05:07]
Bugpowder We should do a vegas trip [05:07]
DeadWeasel me too [05:07]
Diablo-D3 but yeahh, Im going to enjoy two monitors again [05:07]
Diablo-D3 my productivity will go though the roof [05:08]
DeadWeasel two 24s is the shit [05:08]
DeadWeasel i love it [05:08]
Bowjob Now I actually want out of Dice now [05:08]
Bugpowder heh [05:08]
DeadWeasel me too [05:08]
Bugpowder I have 3 24s [05:08]
Bugpowder but [05:08]
DeadWeasel NICE! [05:08]
Diablo-D3 I have a 26" 1920x1200 and my dead laptop [05:08]
Bowjob I have 49 shares [05:08]
Bugpowder its overkill [05:08]
Bowjob I mean 64 shares [05:08]
DeadWeasel hhahaha [05:08]
Bowjob mhm [05:08]
Diablo-D3 IRC goes on the laptop so it doesnt distract me [05:08]
Bugpowder yeah [05:08]
Bugpowder 2 24s for matlab [05:08]
Bugpowder 1 24 for laptop [05:09]
Bugpowder and laptop [05:09]
Bugpowder ugh [05:09]
Diablo-D3 well Im going to buy one of those monoprice 30s [05:09]
Bugpowder I am being irradiated [05:09]
Diablo-D3 turn my 26 sideways for my mbp [05:09]
Bugpowder they make monitors now? [05:09]
Diablo-D3 and then have my 30 for my desktop [05:09]
Diablo-D3 Bugpowder: YES [05:09]
Diablo-D3 DUDE [05:09]
Bugpowder are they high quality? [05:09]
Diablo-D3 http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=113&cp_id=11307&cs_id=1130703&p_id=10235&seq=1&format=1#largeimage [05:09]
Diablo-D3 thats the single dvi version [05:10]
Diablo-D3 http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=113&cp_id=11307&cs_id=1130703&p_id=10234&seq=1&format=1#largeimage [05:10]
Diablo-D3 thats the shitload of ports version [05:10]
Diablo-D3 both identically same monitor [05:10]
Diablo-D3 uses the same IPS as all the other 30" IPS screens [05:10]
Diablo-D3 no scaler, no buffer [05:10]
DeadWeasel ;;ticker [05:10]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.19898, Best ask: 30.28730, Bid-ask spread: 0.08832, Last trade: 30.19898, 24 hour volume: 48629.35769652, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.65000, 24 hour vwap: 29.80257 [05:10]
Bugpowder hmmm [05:10]
Bugpowder I may get one for work [05:10]
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kakobrekla hm, euro dollars, better than btc i guess http://shrani.si/f/r/sY/4j1rT7UB/tmp3f19.png [05:11]
DeadWeasel http://www.rakuten.com/prod/24-wide-led-monitor/229409964.html?listingId=218720436 [05:11]
DeadWeasel good deal [05:11]
Diablo-D3 Bugpowder: well, I would consider getting 6 [05:12]
Diablo-D3 but meh [05:12]
Diablo-D3 thats just a tad overkill [05:12]
DeadWeasel plus you gotta mount them, good luck [05:13]
Bowjob ;;ask [05:13]
gribble Error: "ask" is not a valid command. [05:13]
Bowjob ;;ticker [05:13]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.00001, Best ask: 30.15045, Bid-ask spread: 0.15044, Last trade: 30.15045, 24 hour volume: 49645.07046157, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.65000, 24 hour vwap: 29.80740 [05:13]
Bowjob Oh no! We are crashing!! [05:13]
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DeadWeasel no [05:14]
Bowjob ;;ticker [05:15]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.04084, Best ask: 30.15543, Bid-ask spread: 0.11459, Last trade: 30.15543, 24 hour volume: 49622.64900365, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.65000, 24 hour vwap: 29.80752 [05:15]
Bowjob k nvm [05:15]
Bowjob klol [05:15]
DeadWeasel bids coming in [05:15]
DeadWeasel need some booze, brb [05:15]
Bugpowder asks coming in you mean [05:16]
Bowjob why dont we get warren buffet here and ask him if btc will go up or down [05:16]
Diablo-D3 warren buffet doesnt give a shit about forex [05:16]
Diablo-D3 he invests in value not made up shit [05:16]
* Diablo-D3 stares at wall street and scowls [05:17]
DeadWeasel Diablo-D3: damn right [05:17]
Diablo-D3 so, according to goxlive [05:17]
Diablo-D3 it'd cost a million to go to 36 [05:18]
Diablo-D3 which is only 25k btc [05:18]
Diablo-D3 but to go to 26 it'd cost 40k btc, worth 1.2 million [05:18]
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Diablo-D3 so I think we're still going up [05:18]
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Bugpowder Deep [05:19]
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Bugpowder nope [05:20]
Bugpowder going down [05:20]
Bugpowder u no wat wuld be so fune [05:20]
Bugpowder if we crashed to 15 tonight [05:21]
kakobrekla well i admit it would be funny if we crashed hard now [05:21]
Bugpowder and my puts made money [05:21]
Bugpowder plz [05:21]
Bowjob no~ [05:21]
Bugpowder somehow i doubt it [05:21]
Bowjob we are going to the moon [05:21]
Bugpowder so when do you start buying again/ [05:22]
Bugpowder 25 [05:22]
DeadWeasel someone big is still manipulating, possibly others too [05:22]
Bugpowder 20? 15? [05:22]
Bugpowder manipulating? [05:22]
Bugpowder do you mean trying to sell shares? [05:22]
Bugpowder err coins? [05:22]
Bowjob buying single digits!! [05:22]
DeadWeasel i mean manipulating. pump dump. then settle the price for a while, pump dump, settle the price. using bots, and everything else illegal in SEC markets [05:22]
Bugpowder lol [05:23]
mircea_popescu ugh. [05:23]
Bugpowder none of that is illegal [05:23]
mircea_popescu you know, that makes absolutely no sense. [05:23]
Bugpowder 2) markets do not need that to display their dynamics [05:23]
DeadWeasel mircea_popescu: it makes perfect sense. [05:23]
Bowjob Yes a dead bear! [05:23]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu nothign here does anymore :( [05:23]
DeadWeasel kakobrekla: ever more correct you are [05:24]
DeadWeasel i just have theories [05:24]
DeadWeasel just like the rest of you [05:24]
DeadWeasel twats [05:24]
* DeadWeasel is a twat [05:24]
mircea_popescu DeadWeasel listen. the theory whereby it is feasible to buy up a commodity in order to sell it later is nonsense. [05:24]
kakobrekla spam detected, manually. [05:24]
mircea_popescu you will spend more "fixing" the price than you'll make selling. [05:24]
mircea_popescu people keep trying. people always fail. [05:24]
DeadWeasel proof? [05:25]
mircea_popescu most recently the notable silver market cornering, read up on that. it wasted a billion dollar fortune [05:25]
DeadWeasel your opinion? [05:25]
mircea_popescu sigh. [05:25]
DeadWeasel just saying [05:25]
mircea_popescu ;;google "the hunt brothers" [05:25]
gribble Nelson Bunker Hunt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Silver Thursday - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Educate Yourself - The Hunt Brothers and the Silver Bubble: [05:25]
mircea_popescu seriously, this is basic stuff. [05:25]
Bugpowder OP delivers [05:25]
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DeadWeasel again, I just have opinions, and I've stated before, they are largely uneducated [05:26]
mircea_popescu "only new thing in this world is the history you didn't know". [05:26]
DeadWeasel so quit yer bitchin [05:26]
DeadWeasel got a problem with an uneducated twat, it's your problem. I'd love to be educated,but ya'll don't know shit more about this than anyone else. [05:27]
DeadWeasel guessing at this market is bullshit [05:27]
mircea_popescu so read up on the stuff! [05:27]
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DeadWeasel the stuff. how could forget. who's stuff' [05:28]
DeadWeasel your stuff? [05:28]
DeadWeasel usagi's stuff? [05:28]
DeadWeasel pirates stuff? [05:28]
DeadWeasel jesus' stuff? [05:28]
Bugpowder I would start with MPs [05:29]
Bugpowder and then just stop [05:29]
Bugpowder LOL [05:29]
Bugpowder YES [05:29]
DeadWeasel MPs stuff is shite [05:29]
DeadWeasel no offense,but you write crap [05:29]
Bugpowder ok read wikipedia [05:29]
DeadWeasel wiki, i can work with that, but none of it applies to BTC [05:29]
mircea_popescu dude, srsly. the hunt brothers and their silvery misadventure. [05:29]
mircea_popescu da fuck none of it applies to btc. what is btc, a meteorite ? [05:29]
kakobrekla http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteorite [05:30]
DeadWeasel thanks kakobrekla [05:30]
Bugpowder meteorits fall to earth [05:30]
DeadWeasel meteors do not [05:30]
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DeadWeasel you should know, it's your business [05:31]
mircea_popescu well anyway, this entire "someone is mainipulating by buying to inflate the price to sell later" stuff is the economic equivalent of the perpetuum mobile machine. [05:31]
mircea_popescu you can't pull yourself up by your britches. [05:32]
DeadWeasel no, but you can manipulate, or the SEC wouldn't exist for legit markets [05:33]
DeadWeasel haha, usagi, you were there [05:33]
DeadWeasel when jesus was born [05:33]
Bugpowder what do you think HFT does all day long? [05:33]
DeadWeasel you took his gold, silver, and myrhh [05:33]
DeadWeasel i know, now i have to sacrifice my child. [05:33]
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mircea_popescu yes well, the sec isn't there to do what you think it does i'm affraid. [05:34]
DeadWeasel it used to be. [05:34]
DeadWeasel not anyomore. [05:34]
DeadWeasel but the priciple applies [05:35]
DeadWeasel all the institutions have be co=opted by twats [05:35]
DeadWeasel that's why i like the blockchain [05:35]
DeadWeasel ain't no co-opting of that [05:35]
Bugpowder http://images.uncyc.org/en/3/3e/LeeWall_Destroy.gif [05:35]
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mircea_popescu ok, ok, but natural laws still apply. [05:36]
DeadWeasel can't argue with that [05:36]
DeadWeasel because we don't want to [05:37]
DeadWeasel the world, as it is, in terms of society and politics and industry is dying [05:37]
DeadWeasel renewal comes soon, unless free energy intervenes. [05:38]
BitHub my penis is dying over this conversation [05:38]
Bugpowder time to tip clark moody [05:38]
DeadWeasel then I'm going to bed. gotta put up a few more buys for when it crashes. [05:38]
Bugpowder seriously [05:38]
Bugpowder what tha fuck would we do without that site [05:38]
Bowjob its Pump and dont dump [05:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60 @ 0.00063705 = 0.0382 BTC [-] [05:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4085 @ 0.00063402 = 2.59 BTC [-] [05:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063293 = 2.7349 BTC [-] [05:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00063292 = 8.1014 BTC [-] [05:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9784 @ 0.00063154 = 6.179 BTC [-] [05:48]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063187 = 2.7303 BTC [+] [06:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7279 @ 0.00063154 = 4.597 BTC [-] [06:01]
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novusordo nah [06:16]
novusordo we'll build a distributed decentralized society [06:17]
novusordo where we mine for our libraries and hospitals [06:17]
novusordo early adopters get more knowledge and better medical treatment [06:17]
novusordo yes, of society [06:18]
Namworld It's more of a problem that being altruistic tends to get you 10 leeches stuck on you... [06:18]
Namworld If there's no group in power to make rules/exclude, for one person building stuff for the community, 10 will smooch off of that work without contributing. [06:19]
Namworld Like people who just love working... [06:20]
Namworld workaholics [06:20]
Bugpowder the goal is to become a power broker [06:20]
Bugpowder looking forward to being one! [06:20]
Bowjob Actually I think we are the early adopters [06:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064104 = 2.7699 BTC [+] [06:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10674 @ 0.00064113 = 6.8434 BTC [+] [06:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5525 @ 0.00064222 = 3.5483 BTC [+] [06:21]
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Bowjob anyone here watched Code Geass? [06:27]
Bowjob I just realized something [06:27]
Diablo-D3 meh [06:27]
Diablo-D3 I was going to [06:27]
Diablo-D3 then I realized how retarded it was [06:27]
Diablo-D3 and Im the guy that likes giant robots [06:28]
Bowjob C.C. Loved pizza [06:28]
Bowjob and C.C. was helping lelouch with his rebellion [06:28]
Bowjob Bitcoins, are designed as a fuck you to the feds, in short a rebellion to the feds [06:28]
Bowjob and bitcoiners love pizza [06:28]
Bowjob so much that hey paid 10,000 BTC for 2 pizzas [06:28]
Bowjob Bitcoin = Code Geass rebellion!! [06:29]
Bowjob Satoshi = zero!! [06:29]
Bowjob http://satoshidice.com/ [06:29]
Bowjob the chick is CC [06:29]
Bowjob with her green hair [06:29]
Bowjob it all makes sense now [06:29]
Bowjob In the end we see Satoshi sacking himself for the good of everyone [06:29]
Bowjob but not after crazy shit happens [06:30]
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Bowjob ASICs are like the new mainframes [06:31]
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Bowjob Oh, and it just happened that http://codegeass.wikia.com/wiki/Avalon [06:32]
Bowjob !!! [06:32]
Bowjob Fuck I knew it [06:32]
Bowjob this thing is a whole setup [06:32]
Bowjob Yes! [06:32]
Bowjob Avalon is [06:32]
BitHub is that what i preordered? [06:33]
Bowjob All hail zero!! [06:33]
Bowjob Yes! [06:33]
BitHub scammers [06:33]
Bowjob IT does !! [06:33]
Bowjob Right?? [06:33]
Bowjob Desho? [06:33]
Bowjob BFL are those eunuchs.. who didnt deliver shit [06:34]
Bowjob wait thats bASIC [06:34]
Bowjob We need an ASIC company named Freja.. that'd be awesome [06:34]
Bowjob http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Bernanke [06:36]
Bowjob that's charles [06:37]
Bowjob one of his children is satoshi [06:37]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [06:37]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.04001, Best ask: 30.16900, Bid-ask spread: 0.12899, Last trade: 30.04001, 24 hour volume: 51240.83998307, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.65000, 24 hour vwap: 29.82270 [06:37]
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Bowjob Omg.. and another thing [06:38]
Bowjob one of the FGPAs of Avalon [06:38]
Bowjob is called Lancelot [06:38]
Bowjob O_O [06:38]
Bowjob Yifu = Suzaku??? [06:38]
Bowjob I bet someone with Geass here keep telling people to buy buy buy [06:39]
Bowjob It sucks that I can't really watch anime [06:40]
Bowjob coz of bitcoin [06:40]
Bowjob fuck [06:40]
Bowjob my priorites are backward [06:40]
Bowjob lol [06:40]
Bowjob usagi, watched hxh? [06:41]
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* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [13:35]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: http://mpex.co || https://coinbr.com || https://www.havelockinvestments.com || https://btct.co || https://bitfunder.com || https://icbit.se || https://cryptostocks.com || https://therocktrading.com || http://picostocks.com || list bot commands: !help || Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades || biased msg: http://bit4x.com [13:35]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Thu Feb 14 01:53:47 2013 [13:35]
DeadWeasel apparently, Bowjob -- you've been right every time you said that so far [13:37]
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DeadWeasel anybody use yubikeys? [14:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064242 = 2.7759 BTC [+] [14:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00064251 = 10.2802 BTC [+] [14:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4929 @ 0.00064252 = 3.167 BTC [+] [14:01]
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thestringpuller !ticker m X.IDIFF.MAR [14:14]
assbot [MPEX:X.IDIFF.MAR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.07595 / 0.07595 / 0.07595 (8 shares, 0.61 BTC), 30D: 0.0429 / 0.06540414 / 0.089 (338 shares, 22.11 BTC) [14:14]
thestringpuller why the fuck is no one buying IDIFF? [14:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064161 = 2.7724 BTC [-] [14:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12579 @ 0.00064196 = 8.0752 BTC [+] [14:17]
BitHub whats your favasset exchange? [14:18]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller that's a mystery for the ages. [14:26]
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gribble 885 [14:29]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063935 = 2.7626 BTC [-] [14:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00063914 = 10.2262 BTC [-] [14:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6251 @ 0.00063913 = 3.9952 BTC [-] [14:39]
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ThickAsThieves ;;bc,stats [15:11]
gribble Current Blocks: 222530 | Current Difficulty: 3651011.630693214 | Next Difficulty At Block: 223775 | Next Difficulty In: 1245 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 16 hours, 26 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [15:11]
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jurov ohh the other futures were discontinued? MUST FIX [15:27]
error4733 +3000 BTC profit for the last 1000 bet (2days) 2500 above EV ! [15:29]
error4733 S.Dice run good ! [15:29]
DeadWeas1l http://uncrunched.com/2013/02/21/the-department-of-homeland-security-stole-my-boat-today/ [15:31]
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DeadWeasel fingerling potatoes? [15:31]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1531 @ 0.00587398 = 8.9931 BTC [+] [15:35]
DeadWeasel yeah, he'll get it back, I just hope it gets out there in the media more. [15:36]
DeadWeasel so people are more wary. [15:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00598363 = 2.9918 BTC [+] [15:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.0060899 = 1.827 BTC [+] [15:36]
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ThickAsThieves ;;bc,stats [15:50]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.01 = 0.02 BTC [+] [15:50]
gribble Current Blocks: 222536 | Current Difficulty: 3651011.630693214 | Next Difficulty At Block: 223775 | Next Difficulty In: 1239 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 13 hours, 19 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [15:51]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.0873 = 0.1746 BTC [-] [15:51]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.01 = 0.02 BTC [+] [15:52]
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mjr__ ;;ticker [16:07]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.61955, Best ask: 30.76200, Bid-ask spread: 0.14245, Last trade: 30.76200, 24 hour volume: 55152.61716662, 24 hour low: 29.42000, 24 hour high: 30.76200, 24 hour vwap: 30.03966 [16:07]
DeadWeasel ;;bc,24hprc [16:12]
gribble 30.06 [16:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 2 @ 0.008 = 0.016 BTC [+] [16:13]
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ThickAsThieves ;;asks 31.99 [16:33]
gribble There are currently 7044.8875 bitcoins offered at or under 31.99 USD, worth 221886.66444 USD in total. [16:33]
ThickAsThieves ;;bc,stats [16:34]
gribble Current Blocks: 222545 | Current Difficulty: 3651011.630693214 | Next Difficulty At Block: 223775 | Next Difficulty In: 1230 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3191474.41456 | Estimated Percent Change: -12.58657 [16:34]
ThickAsThieves why do the stats dip like that this time of day? [16:34]
Bugpowder weird [16:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00609 = 30.45 BTC [+] [16:36]
mircea_popescu yeah. [16:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.68010003 = 3.4005 BTC [-] [16:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.6801 = 6.1209 BTC [-] [16:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.68 = 6.8 BTC [-] [16:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.68 = 2.04 BTC [-] [16:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.675 = 3.375 BTC [-] [16:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.674 = 1.348 BTC [-] [16:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.67 = 1.34 BTC [-] [16:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.665 = 3.99 BTC [-] [16:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.66 = 2.64 BTC [-] [16:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.637 = 2.548 BTC [-] [16:37]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [16:37]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.77586, Best ask: 30.79999, Bid-ask spread: 0.02413, Last trade: 30.77586, 24 hour volume: 53263.39730356, 24 hour low: 29.42000, 24 hour high: 30.84000, 24 hour vwap: 30.07494 [16:37]
mircea_popescu sweet. [16:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00609 = 30.45 BTC [+] [16:38]
Bugpowder large ask on S.DICE up [16:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 31 @ 0.637 = 19.747 BTC [-] [16:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 19 @ 0.62151 = 11.8087 BTC [-] [16:39]
topace DING DING DING -- Havelock now has 1,000,000 shares [16:39]
Bugpowder Thats a lot of coins [16:39]
ThickAsThieves http://bitbet.us/bet/255/s-dice-profit-falls-in-february/ [16:40]
topace Market Cap ฿6215.1000 (~$188006.78) [16:40]
topace indeed [16:40]
mircea_popescu well done [16:41]
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mircea_popescu who knew running PTs can be that lucrative, there's what, like 4-5 btc on the spread right there ? [16:41]
pigeons plus th 5% dividend rake [16:42]
topace indeed [16:43]
mircea_popescu honest money at least. [16:43]
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error4733 @thickAsThieves : in BTC or $ ? [16:51]
ThickAsThieves ? [16:51]
error4733 if you look in $, pretty same result, no free fall. 395K to 360k still one week [16:51]
error4733 s.dice profit [16:52]
ThickAsThieves s.dice doesnt deal in USD [16:52]
error4733 :/ [16:52]
ThickAsThieves bet is in "bitcoin" category after all [16:53]
error4733 yep easy bet if you not correct with the btc rise [16:53]
ThickAsThieves anything can happen in the next week though [16:53]
ThickAsThieves whale can spend 10k [16:53]
error4733 at 30$ ? :/ [16:55]
Bugpowder no he can't [16:55]
Bugpowder check the address balances. [16:55]
error4733 he is dry ? [16:55]
Bugpowder Has had 3k left since Feb 4th [16:55]
error4733 no way he blow up ALL his coin... [16:55]
Bugpowder out of 40k [16:56]
ThickAsThieves doesnt mean it's all he has [16:56]
Bugpowder there is a new address though [16:56]
ThickAsThieves and that there aren't other whales [16:56]
error4733 yep it's the S.dice wallet :) [16:56]
Bugpowder that has about 3-4k too [16:56]
Bugpowder so that person could drive the profits [16:56]
Bugpowder http://blockchain.info/charts/balance?address=1Hz5FxwF5XYk1Emqf43Q2Vo5uUzqb7BhtM [16:57]
Bugpowder oops he is out too [16:57]
ThickAsThieves only need about 720 or so BTC profit per day to break the bet [16:57]
Bugpowder did he lose it all yesterday?? [16:57]
ThickAsThieves no profit yesterday i think [16:57]
ThickAsThieves but it's been nearly a day since doog's last report [16:59]
ThickAsThieves well, not nearly, but plenty of time for a whale to lose his btc [17:00]
error4733 nothing big today [17:01]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 10 @ 0.0021 = 0.021 BTC [-] [17:01]
mircea_popescu how's the small bets ? [17:02]
mircea_popescu prolly a better long term indicator i'd guess [17:02]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 90 @ 0.0021 = 0.189 BTC [-] [17:02]
error4733 oups my bad, +2K since last dooglu update [17:02]
error4733 i monitore only +4 bet [17:03]
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error4733 Haha last 470 bet on s.dice : EV = 188 Result : 2134... 2K above EV. Please, a nice final week like in january [17:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006418 = 2.7732 BTC [+] [17:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10421 @ 0.00064196 = 6.6899 BTC [+] [17:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 258 @ 0.00064252 = 0.1658 BTC [+] [17:10]
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mircea_popescu error4733 you know one of these days its going to go well under ev. [17:14]
mircea_popescu it has to. [17:14]
Ukto BitFunder is now trading backed AUD/USD/CAD. https://bitfunder.com/asset/FIAT.USD for example. [17:15]
Ukto Have a nice day., [17:15]
error4733 not with small bet [17:15]
error4733 you can't beat house edge on long term [17:16]
error4733 obv with 3 whales & a bad run... it's possible [17:17]
mircea_popescu listen, you can't beat house edge on INFINITE term. [17:19]
mircea_popescu it's possible to beat it on a term of any arbitrary finite length [17:19]
error4733 sure, but more small bet mean you reduce variance i'm a math genius, i know [17:21]
mircea_popescu :p [17:22]
jurov hi Ukto, what's your plan with FIAT.USD? you will offer the shares yourself? [17:26]
Ukto I dont offer the shares [17:28]
Ukto you do [17:28]
Ukto or rather, any user [17:28]
Ukto any user can deposit their USD from weex into bitfunder [17:28]
Ukto which are auto converted to 1 share FIAT.USD per $1 USD [17:28]
jurov what's the advantage over buying bitcoins directly? [17:29]
Ukto this is buying fiats [17:29]
Ukto with bitcoins [17:29]
Ukto not buying bitcoins [17:29]
Ukto :P [17:29]
Ukto these basicaly make a reverse market [17:29]
Ukto withdrawing any number of shares of FIAT.USD (or other currencies) to WeExchange automatically converts X shares to X dollars of that currency [17:30]
mircea_popescu so basically like an exchange. [17:31]
Ukto yes, its a reverse exchange [17:31]
Ukto for those assets [17:31]
mjr__ guys! only $969 to go :) [17:31]
mircea_popescu ok, so you're merging bitfunder and what was it called, uex ? [17:31]
Ukto weex [17:31]
Ukto and not merging [17:31]
mjr__ lol jk [17:31]
Ukto :P [17:31]
Ukto BF is just taking more advantage of the merchant system offered by weex [17:32]
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jurov i mean, selling FIAT.USD is fully equivalent to buying bitcoins, no? [17:32]
Ukto sure. You can look at it from that point of view. [17:33]
Ukto You could also say buying FIAT.USD is selling bitcoins. [17:33]
Ukto But in fact, you are buying USD with btc. [17:33]
Ukto If you follow the terminology. [17:33]
Ukto :D [17:34]
Ukto Either way, someone asked for it, i said sure why not, and did it. [17:34]
ThickAsThieves so it's an exchange on exchange [17:34]
Ukto No... it's an exchange. [17:34]
ThickAsThieves :) [17:34]
Ukto No one said it could only be 'assets' [17:34]
Ukto and the currencies ARE assets in this form [17:35]
ThickAsThieves will you also make it possible to buy shares of any stock with USD? [17:35]
Ukto they DO have a name.. its not liek they are done to the cent [17:35]
Ukto No [17:35]
Ukto You cannot buy shares of an asset, with shares from another asset [17:35]
ThickAsThieves why not just support USD within BF? [17:35]
ThickAsThieves directly [17:35]
Ukto Legal reasons. [17:36]
ThickAsThieves word [17:36]
Ukto also, BitFunder is not there to support USD, etc [17:36]
Ukto it is there to support BTC. [17:36]
BitHub word fiat scares me [17:37]
Ukto If asked "What do you do with mined bitcoins?" 'I can BUY USD with it.' [17:37]
Ukto That is an accurate statement. [17:37]
Ukto Rather than the previous limitation of 'I can SELL it for USD' [17:37]
ThickAsThieves seems like a thin court defense, but i know nothing of the laws [17:38]
Ukto defense for what? [17:38]
Ukto and what court? [17:39]
ThickAsThieves well you said not supporting USD for legal reasons [17:39]
ThickAsThieves but this isnt much different [17:39]
Ukto Correct. [17:39]
ThickAsThieves like i said, i'm no lawyer [17:39]
ThickAsThieves but it's effectively the same [17:39]
Ukto You misunderstand. [17:39]
Ukto BitFunder will not let you hold USD as an eWallet. [17:39]
Ukto to use/spend as you please [17:39]
Ukto you do not have USD in your account on BF [17:40]
ThickAsThieves but 1 FIATUSD = $1 constantly [17:40]
Ukto you have shares that may be traded out for USD by another entity [17:40]
Ukto yes [17:40]
Ukto we are not breaking any eWallet laws [17:40]
Ukto you cant spend FIATUSD can you? [17:40]
ThickAsThieves although i suppose i could sell 1 FIATUSD for more or less than $1 worth of BTC [17:41]
Ukto the market can valuate the usd aginst the BTC however it wants [17:41]
Ukto as it does currently. [17:41]
ThickAsThieves word [17:41]
Ukto My comment about legal reasons, was ment to be very broad, not specific. :) [17:41]
ThickAsThieves is this the only asset exchange that has somethng like this? [17:42]
BitHub so if i have a few g's in a certain currency can i float it as an asset onbf? [17:42]
Ukto Yes. [17:42]
BitHub of [17:42]
Ukto BitHub: you could try. [17:42]
Ukto I wont stop you [17:42]
BitHub is this kind of what this is? i've been following but a bit lost [17:42]
Ukto The diffrence is that people can instantly exchange the FIAT.*'s for real currency via BF/Weex [17:42]
Ukto for example, on BF, if you goto the transactions page [17:43]
BitHub ahh okey so instead of sending btc back to weex i can send these fiat.usd or buy em and it'll instantly show up as fiat on weex [17:43]
Ukto you will see you can withdraw AUD,CAD,USD shares [17:43]
Ukto yes [17:43]
Ukto you can deposit 'shares' from weex of any currency, or withdraw them [17:44]
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BitHub cool [17:44]
BitHub only these shares or all the ones on bf? [17:44]
Ukto yes. [17:44]
Ukto for example, if you have 10 AUD in weex [17:45]
Ukto you can deposit it into BF for 10 FIAT.AUD shares [17:45]
kakobrekla ;;bc,convert eur [17:45]
gribble 1 BTC = 31.29999 U.S. dollars = 23.6941635 Euros [17:45]
Ukto you can then place them for sale at whatever rate per AUD you want. [17:45]
Ukto if I buy those 10, I can choose to withdraw them to weex, and have 10 AUD in weex. [17:45]
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BitHub nice [17:45]
BitHub so when you going to hit up all the countries that have a closed exchanged? :P [17:46]
BitHub that would be pretty amazing [17:46]
Ukto now think about that, with the big project for BF I am working in. ;) [17:46]
* BitHub nods [17:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063925 = 2.7622 BTC [-] [17:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 271 @ 0.00063913 = 0.1732 BTC [-] [17:46]
ThickAsThieves ;;bc,stats [17:47]
gribble Current Blocks: 222554 | Current Difficulty: 3651011.630693214 | Next Difficulty At Block: 223775 | Next Difficulty In: 1221 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 10 hours, 40 minutes, and 58 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [17:47]
assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00979 BTC [+] [17:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064239 = 2.7758 BTC [+] [18:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36350 @ 0.00064252 = 23.3556 BTC [+] [18:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13122 @ 0.00064286 = 8.4356 BTC [+] [18:00]
ThickAsThieves ;;asks 31.99 [18:03]
gribble There are currently 5754.009 bitcoins offered at or under 31.99 USD, worth 181961.646777 USD in total. [18:03]
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Ukto https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146009.0 [18:07]
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mircea_popescu Rather than the previous limitation of 'I can SELL it for USD' << this is a good point for sure. [18:10]
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ThickAsThieves http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013/feb/21/online-poker-bill-moves-forward-nevada-legislature/ [18:21]
mircea_popescu pretty cool. [18:24]
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kakobrekla if its legal no need to use btc [18:25]
kakobrekla just stick with dat stupid dollars [18:25]
ThickAsThieves a job for mpoe-pr? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145919.0 [18:27]
Ukto fucking retarded government [18:27]
Ukto make it illegal [18:27]
Ukto wipe out the competition [18:27]
Ukto and then make it legal again for the big boys [18:27]
BitHub that's how its always been [18:28]
Ukto I know. just shadey. [18:28]
mircea_popescu Ukto yep exactly. [18:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063915 = 2.7618 BTC [-] [18:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14179 @ 0.00063913 = 9.0622 BTC [-] [18:29]
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mircea_popescu big boys can be bothered to jump through all the hoops to bribe you [18:29]
mircea_popescu small timers couldn't do it anyway. [18:29]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves why ? [18:29]
ThickAsThieves nvm, i just started reading when i linked [18:30]
ThickAsThieves mpoe-pr is a "skidmark" hehe [18:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.686 = 5.488 BTC [+] [18:31]
kakobrekla sadly there are just 2 places in this whole economy where one can make any serious coin [18:32]
kakobrekla just had a short discussion over this [18:32]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves ya well, one doesn't need five cents to have an opinion, [18:38]
mircea_popescu beauty of the interwebs. [18:38]
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pigeons ukto i'll scroll up and read about FIAT, but what's up with https://bitfunder.com/asset/ASIC.COOP and https://bitfunder.com/asset/Biz27B-6 [18:56]
Ukto what about them? [18:56]
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pigeons who are they? [18:57]
Ukto ASIC.COOP is ciuciu it was a prev glbse asset [18:57]
pigeons that guy's a nut! [18:57]
* Ukto shrugs, he wanted to relist, and make his shares available to his issuers [18:57]
Ukto I am just here to help [18:58]
pigeons well, i guess when mircea_popescu is the standard, being nuts isn't a disqualifier [18:58]
kakobrekla reglbsed. [18:58]
mircea_popescu i am nuts now ?! [18:58]
pigeons you're not? [18:58]
Ukto .. havent you always been? [18:58]
Ukto ;) [18:58]
pigeons not that there's anything wrong with it... [18:58]
pigeons what about the super secret "we can't stop you from buyinf our secret not-for-you shares?" [18:59]
Ukto dont ask me [18:59]
Ukto i told him he needs to specify stuff [18:59]
Ukto or ppl will ignore it [18:59]
* Ukto shrugs [18:59]
Ukto he does supposedly have something to back it [19:00]
Ukto hes just too scared to talk abou tit [19:00]
Ukto afraid of legal issues [19:00]
mod6 wat [19:01]
Ukto yeah, I rolled my eyes, said w/e [19:01]
mod6 how's it goin -assets? [19:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00064293 = 3.2147 BTC [+] [19:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064294 = 2.7781 BTC [+] [19:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1733 @ 0.00064311 = 1.1145 BTC [+] [19:01]
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jurov this is true nut: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101771.msg1407323#msg1407323 [19:03]
jurov not our mircea [19:03]
Ukto honestly [19:03]
Ukto I think were all nuts [19:03]
Ukto heh [19:03]
Ukto bitcoin... pfft [19:03]
jurov In 2009 I was beaten nearly to death by a man with a tire Iron and have not been able to maintain a normal job sence which is why I fell inlove with bitcoins so much [19:03]
mircea_popescu ?! [19:04]
jurov just an excerpt from said url [19:04]
mod6 that guy is on beat-down status [19:04]
mod6 car accident and got beat with a tire iron!? [19:04]
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mod6 that sux [19:04]
pigeons crazy stuff [19:06]
jurov so, there are not yet relisted cases n the scene, ukto beware :D [19:06]
Ukto .. what? [19:07]
jurov the MMM above [19:08]
Ukto mmm? [19:08]
jurov the thread is about mmm glbse stuff [19:09]
jurov issued by a man with 15day migraines :( [19:11]
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jurov ;;ticker [19:29]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.11001, Best ask: 31.14856, Bid-ask spread: 0.03855, Last trade: 31.09901, 24 hour volume: 56442.79364155, 24 hour low: 29.67001, 24 hour high: 31.30000, 24 hour vwap: 30.27998 [19:29]
jurov ;;bc,convert eur [19:29]
gribble 1 BTC = 31.09901 U.S. dollars = 23.5242133 Euros [19:29]
jurov mpoe results will be very interesting [19:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006431 = 2.7788 BTC [-] [19:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3267 @ 0.00064311 = 2.101 BTC [+] [19:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00064312 = 10.2899 BTC [+] [19:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3912 @ 0.00064314 = 2.516 BTC [+] [19:31]
jurov mircea_popescu, you said maybe you'll do the report tomorrow morning instead of in the night, have you decided? [19:31]
mircea_popescu iirc what i said was that i'll publish the report and then wait a day for any errors / complaints before making payments [19:32]
jurov ah so! [19:35]
jurov Please include the vwap used into the report. [19:35]
jurov especially now it's changing wildly [19:36]
jurov ;;bc,24hprc [19:36]
gribble 30.27 [19:36]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 25 @ 0.3499 = 8.7475 BTC [-] [19:36]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.35 = 0.7 BTC [+] [19:37]
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jurov ;;bc,24hprc [19:39]
gribble 30.27 [19:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00063937 = 1.5345 BTC [-] [19:39]
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mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/least-likely-to-succeed-character-the-upseller/ [19:58]
mircea_popescu i should probably start selling my own brand of napalm [19:58]
mircea_popescu for customer support [19:58]
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jurov well,everyone has something to get angry over [20:09]
jurov btw, i came up with better analogy with the NAT problem... it's like telephone from which you can make outgoing calls only [20:10]
mod6 i like this: [20:10]
mod6 The reason I take the time to type out a response like that is because I enjoy treating people I don’t know like they’re actual human beings, take them seriously and so forth. [20:10]
jurov just because phone company depleted all numbers can't/doesn't [20:10]
mod6 ^^^ [20:10]
jurov can't/doesn't make phone numbers longer [20:11]
mod6 the "investment" statment was a bit bizzare [20:11]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.27 = 0.81 BTC [-] [20:11]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.26392 BTC [-] [20:11]
mod6 ugh, have been sick as hell the last 2 weeks. :/ [20:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00063937 = 1.6624 BTC [-] [20:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00063936 = 2.7627 BTC [-] [20:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4179 @ 0.00063926 = 2.6715 BTC [-] [20:18]
mod6 starting to feel better today thouhg. [20:18]
mod6 *though [20:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064301 = 2.7784 BTC [+] [20:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3679 @ 0.00064314 = 2.3661 BTC [+] [20:19]
mod6 !ticker m s.mpoe [20:20]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00062729 / 0.00063605 / 0.00064314 (1284428 shares, 816.97 BTC), 7D: 0.000622 / 0.00064942 / 0.00068894 (10515301 shares, 6,828.92 BTC), 30D: 0.00059517 / 0.00066478 / 0.0007 (72318162 shares, 48,076.07 BTC) [20:20]
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assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00591 = 0.591 BTC [-] [20:32]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 740 @ 0.0059 = 4.366 BTC [-] [20:32]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.00589 = 0.0589 BTC [-] [20:32]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.00588 = 0.147 BTC [-] [20:32]
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mod6 so is ripple dead yet? [20:34]
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pigeons well the new system operaters are trying to discourage calling trust lines "credit" I noticed [20:38]
mod6 ahh. ok. i was wondering how (or why) a system of credit would need to be established... [20:38]
mircea_popescu btw, i came up with better analogy with the NAT problem... it's like telephone from which you can make outgoing calls only << pretty much the only way to use a phone. [20:39]
swhitt anyone know how to contact evoorhees? [20:39]
swhitt someone just successfully pulled off a doublespend attack on sdice [20:39]
iz you can also answer a ringing phone [20:39]
mircea_popescu he idles here sometimes swhitt [20:39]
mircea_popescu hm, link ? [20:39]
iz a ringing phone with NAT would require port forwards [20:39]
swhitt I was playing, this was my original losing bet [20:40]
swhitt https://blockchain.info/tx-index/55341372 [20:40]
swhitt 258 bytes [20:40]
jurov oh, mircea_popescu doesn't need to answer phones, he's got people for that [20:40]
swhitt then a new block came in with a txn not in the mempool [20:40]
swhitt https://blockchain.info/tx/3947b301d36aecb53fc0c060b7815db1b426cc71dae9e2dcb2a0064bce818cd1 [20:40]
iz haha [20:40]
swhitt same inputs and outputs but 1 additional byte, I believe OP_FALSE [20:40]
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swhitt which doesn't need to be signed [20:40]
mircea_popescu jurov literally. what am i to answer a phone !? "don't call us, we'll call you to an artform" [20:40]
swhitt so the txid changed [20:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 185 @ 0.006 = 1.11 BTC [-] [20:41]
jcpham hello mircea_popescu [20:41]
mircea_popescu swhitt did s.dice pay both ? [20:41]
mircea_popescu jcpham heya jcpham! [20:41]
swhitt mircea_popescu: yes [20:41]
swhitt it payed my original losing bet [20:41]
swhitt and then it paid the attacked confirmed bet [20:42]
mod6 I saw something on btctalk about some new ways to try to exploit double-spends against s.dice. not sure if its effective... [20:42]
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maximian evoorhees says that they do suffer double-spends from time to time [20:42]
mod6 maybe it was yesterday... [20:42]
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swhitt it looked like the doublespend attack person is working with a miner [20:42]
maximian and that they implement fixes accordingly [20:42]
swhitt the attack bets were not in my mempool [20:43]
swhitt but they showed up in a block [20:43]
mircea_popescu swhitt i sent him a dinger. [20:43]
mircea_popescu thanks for reporting. [20:43]
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swhitt mircea_popescu: thanks, I am making a list of transactions included in the attack [20:43]
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maximian he's sometimes available on Skype as evoorhees [20:44]
mod6 DeaDTerra: what do you mean by "SatoshiDice client"? [20:44]
mod6 OH... ok. didn't know that. [20:45]
mod6 thx [20:45]
swhitt the client doens't let you spend unconfirmed change though [20:45]
pigeons mircea_popescu: nat is like asking someone else to take a piss for you [20:45]
ThickAsThieves ;;bc,stats [20:45]
mircea_popescu pigeons yeah. [20:45]
mod6 you guys no like NAT 'eh? [20:45]
gribble Current Blocks: 222573 | Current Difficulty: 3651011.630693214 | Next Difficulty At Block: 223775 | Next Difficulty In: 1202 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 10 hours, 4 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [20:45]
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mircea_popescu they no like nat. [20:47]
mircea_popescu i like nat, but they say i'm a nut. [20:48]
mod6 ;;calc 3651011/4036526 [20:48]
gribble 0.904493368803 [20:48]
mod6 so ~9% change up [20:48]
ThickAsThieves was like 15%-20% yesterday I think [20:49]
mod6 (10:48) < mircea_popescu> i like nat, but they say i'm a nut. << for someone who isn't a programmer, you have a keen eye for what makes sense in compsci [20:49]
mircea_popescu mod6 im the boss all software engineers wish they had. [20:49]
mod6 :] [20:49]
mod6 one thing that makes me laugh is about these -otc d00dz who constantly bitch about MPEx's lack of CSS or conformity to standards. [20:50]
mod6 its like, many lulz [20:50]
jurov just a convenient topic to bitch about [20:50]
mod6 ThickAsThieves: the diffiulty went up that much or just the btc spot price? [20:50]
jurov mod6, it was the difficulty that spiked yest [20:51]
mircea_popescu myeah, otc evaporatively cooled or w/e it was [20:51]
ThickAsThieves Est % Change [20:51]
mircea_popescu jurov i find that so odd, im still measuring the output at like 27th [20:51]
ThickAsThieves was that high [20:51]
jurov so gribble was thinking it will got 15% up [20:51]
jurov *go [20:51]
mod6 oh hmm. ok. didn't know that. [20:52]
ThickAsThieves i think it was even up to 20% [20:52]
jurov and not difficulty but hashrate to be exact. [20:52]
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ThickAsThieves i'm missing something, but why would the hashrate change so much overnight? [20:53]
mod6 maybe the asics made it out of tennekey [20:53]
ThickAsThieves but it went down [20:53]
jurov it does normally, it's variance [20:53]
jurov miners get more successful in finding blocks -> hashrate increas is inferred [20:53]
ThickAsThieves ah i see [20:54]
pigeons "he reason I take the time to type out a response like that is because I enjoy treating people I don’t know like they’re actual human beings, take them seriously and so forth." [20:54]
pigeons who said that? [20:54]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves estimating hashrate is a very noisy process [20:54]
mod6 mircea_popescu just did in his blog [20:54]
jurov i don't think bitcoincharts meticulusly gathers stats from the pools how many hashes got computed actually [20:54]
mircea_popescu there's no actual way to measure it [20:54]
ThickAsThieves i was forgetting about the "luck" aspect i guess [20:55]
mod6 well, "just" meaning like an hour ago in here: (09:58) < mircea_popescu> http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/least-likely-to-succeed-character-the-upseller/ [20:55]
swhitt it's a poisson process [20:56]
swhitt you can estimate what lambda is by the number of occurrences per unit time [20:56]
jurov dunno if it's a poisson.. we just infer from very few data points [20:56]
ThickAsThieves so does the difficulty prediction get more stable the closer to the end of the current diff level? [20:57]
swhitt and the difficulty adjustment is to get lambda back to the average time of 10 minutes [20:57]
jurov if the pools exported stats about work submitted, that would be more reliable [20:57]
mircea_popescu its a poisson process by definition neh ? [20:57]
swhitt yes it's a poisson process by definitions [20:57]
mircea_popescu jurov there's no practical way for the pools to do it either, not as hashes [20:57]
mircea_popescu they could perhaps report shares, but there's issues with that too (i am told, i don't really understand this) [20:57]
swhitt it would be more reliable but you have 20160 datapoints [20:57]
swhitt good enough for gubment work [20:58]
jurov lol [20:58]
jcpham normalize it, same chart [20:58]
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swhitt mircea_popescu: well, each pool has a different difficulty for the shares [20:58]
mircea_popescu exactly. [20:58]
jurov the pools must have a way to measure the work semi-precisely.. to be able to sanely compute payouts [20:59]
swhitt and many pools adjust diff for each user [20:59]
mircea_popescu ya hta'ts what i meant, they use the per-user diff thing [20:59]
jurov in the end difficulty really only takes into account really issued blocks, not the work behind them... so the point is moot [21:00]
mircea_popescu probably wuile's estimates are the better thing to go by [21:00]
mircea_popescu http://bitcoin.sipa.be/ [21:00]
jcpham http://blog.rongarret.info/2013/02/a-simple-solution-to-credit-card-fraud.html [21:01]
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ThickAsThieves so as an exercise, what data and info would you use in assessing XDIFFMAR? [21:02]
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mircea_popescu jcpham lol, i said it first omg. [21:02]
ThickAsThieves i know its a loaded question [21:02]
jcpham he's on the right path... [21:02]
mircea_popescu true. [21:03]
mircea_popescu well im too lazy to comment on google stuff, so. [21:03]
mircea_popescu he'll figure it out. [21:03]
jurov ThickAsThieves, i just drawn some lines over sipa's graphs [21:03]
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jurov and decided it will be under 8 [21:04]
jurov bu the moon and stars and technical analysis [21:04]
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jurov 8 million [21:04]
ThickAsThieves were your eyes open or closed when you drew the lines? ;) [21:05]
mod6 moon and stars, is that like licking your finger to determine which way the wind blows? [21:05]
mod6 lol [21:05]
jurov also sold few shares of iDiff-E on bitfunder for 0.07 hedged by bitbet but won't sell for that price anymore [21:05]
ThickAsThieves that is specifically what i'm assessing actually [21:06]
ThickAsThieves i bought at .07 [21:06]
jurov so you bought and now having second thoughts ? :D [21:06]
ThickAsThieves mmm, it wasnt a LOT of btc [21:07]
ThickAsThieves just that i did base my choice on somewhat ignorant grasp of gribbles predictions [21:07]
jurov i bribed gribble [21:07]
jurov don't trust him [21:08]
ThickAsThieves i knew it [21:08]
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mircea_popescu ;;bribe gribble [21:09]
gribble Error: "bribe" is not a valid command. [21:09]
mircea_popescu lies. [21:09]
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jurov ;;sudo bribe [21:09]
gribble do it yourself, punk. [21:09]
jcpham hax [21:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7009 @ 0.00064314 = 4.5078 BTC [+] [21:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00064339 = 6.4339 BTC [+] [21:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 341 @ 0.0006434 = 0.2194 BTC [+] [21:10]
mod6 ;;donate gribble [21:10]
gribble Error: "donate" is not a valid command. [21:10]
jurov ;;botsnack [21:10]
gribble Forget the snack, just send me some bitcoins at 1MgD6rah5zUgEGYZnNmdpnXMaDR3itKYzU :) [21:10]
chmod755 ;;botsnack [21:10]
gribble Forget the snack, just send me some bitcoins at 1MgD6rah5zUgEGYZnNmdpnXMaDR3itKYzU :) [21:10]
chmod755 ^ [21:10]
mod6 ah ha [21:10]
jurov finally figured it [21:10]
mod6 wow 269.69 received [21:11]
mircea_popescu gribble is richer than most americans [21:11]
chmod755 you guys suck...my most recent snack is still the last botsnack [21:11]
chmod755 0.01 [21:12]
lyspooner mircea_popescu that is funny [21:12]
mircea_popescu isn't that a depressing thought [21:12]
chmod755 lol [21:12]
mod6 mircea_popescu: yeah, this is probably true. [21:12]
pigeons i'm trying to understand the differences between the exchange on weex and the bitfunder fiat assets [21:12]
chmod755 mircea_popescu, errr. except gribble can't spend the money without nanotube [21:12]
mircea_popescu mod6 i dunno, i vaguely recall reading the avg net worth is teetering towards negative. [21:12]
mod6 yeah, it seems to me that just about NO ONE has any cash to spare. anyone who works a "regular" type job anyway... [21:12]
mircea_popescu chmod755 not necessarily a bad thing that :p [21:13]
mod6 people here wont put up with this for forever. eventually when food and gas prices get high enough... RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE [21:14]
ThickAsThieves pigeons, the main difference is you can use different words when you talk about your transactions now :) [21:15]
mircea_popescu mod6 you think ? [21:15]
mod6 i feel it. [21:15]
mod6 people here are angry [21:15]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i like the part of "buy dollars with bitcoins" tbh. [21:15]
mircea_popescu mod6 ya but against the machine ? i imagine it'll be more against each other. [21:15]
mod6 they know they're angry. im not sure they can put a finger on it yet... [21:16]
mircea_popescu the govt will be fine for a while yet. [21:16]
mod6 they don't realize quite what is happening too much disinformation [21:16]
mod6 but someday, it will become clear. (maybe when gas hits $20/gal) and a loaf of bread is $25 [21:16]
mod6 then RAGE [21:16]
mircea_popescu yeah. for instance, i heard today that the irs a. moved the start of filling from 15th to 31th january [21:16]
mircea_popescu and also doesn't have the forms ready, so you can't file [21:16]
mircea_popescu but it won't extend the deadline either. [21:17]
mircea_popescu this is nowhere on the news. [21:17]
mircea_popescu the fact that obama is a chicken eating nigger faggot or whatever, THAT is all over the news [21:17]
ThickAsThieves one thing i dont get is, how can the irs even pretend to be able to verify tax returns? [21:17]
mircea_popescu as if anyone actually cares. [21:17]
mod6 no, state media outlets wont publish any of these kind of things... quelling the masses. [21:17]
ThickAsThieves how many audits can they really do [21:17]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves well, it's an intimidation racket mostly. [21:18]
mod6 people here are beginning to understand the depth of debt problems... they don't understand the fine points, but they know that it can't be good that the fedz owe $16tn [21:18]
lyspooner mircea_popescu: did you see the moneyness blog article about bitcoin securities? [21:18]
jurov oh you wish there will be rage. they invent yet another war, the more nonsensical, the better [21:18]
mircea_popescu lyspooner have not. link ? [21:18]
mircea_popescu jurov maybe they finalyl invade canada [21:18]
lyspooner http://jpkoning.blogspot.ca/2013/02/financial-deepening-and-currency.html [21:18]
mircea_popescu like it was foretold in fallout 2. [21:18]
mod6 jurov: i hope that people here will realize the fleecing that has happened here and hold the parties responsible. [21:19]
mod6 soon. [21:19]
mod6 very soon. [21:19]
mircea_popescu "Eichengreen's theory is that the US dollar became the world's go-to currency because of the emergence of a very specific financial instrument—the banker's acceptance." [21:20]
mircea_popescu certainly. [21:20]
jurov if they didn't realize it so far... they'll be too embarrassed to admit it now [21:20]
mircea_popescu huh now that's a good point. [21:20]
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mod6 yeah but embarrassed isn't really a problem. it doesnt feel good either way to have your wealth stripped away by corporations and banksters. [21:21]
mod6 at first they will blame themselfs for being too ingnorant or some such thing... [21:21]
mod6 but then their anger will be directed outward. [21:21]
mod6 thats the RATM part. [21:21]
mircea_popescu lyspooner he lists picostocks. da fuck is wrong with people. [21:21]
mod6 most people feel helpless against the in the face of big bro. so i think people are just waiting for it to implode on itself. which it will... but there will be twists and turns in the road. [21:22]
jurov i was reading a good analysis how overthrowing governments happened only after food prices rose out of reach. there was NO other correlation found [21:23]
jcpham starving people have much power [21:23]
jurov govt can do prettny much whatever it wants, as long ppl are fed [21:23]
lyspooner oh, mircea_popescu, i see you already posted a comment on that site [21:23]
mod6 yeah, no one really gives a shit about government until it gets in the way of feeding yourself and your family. [21:24]
mod6 then the torches+pitch-forks come out. [21:24]
mircea_popescu lyspooner i have ? [21:24]
mircea_popescu i mean i did just now [21:24]
lyspooner gwern right? [21:25]
iz what's that mtgox page that shows bid ask walls? [21:26]
mod6 (11:15) < mircea_popescu> mod6 ya but against the machine ? i imagine it'll be more against each other. << not sure this can be avoided any more. people are wholly divided. [21:26]
mircea_popescu no ? [21:26]
jurov iz ,mtgoxlive.com [21:26]
mod6 I guess I hope that people can come together and clean house entirely at all levels of government. [21:26]
iz i'm thinking of that static page.. [21:27]
mircea_popescu never gonna happen mod6. [21:27]
mod6 I would think that all politics are local, so it just depends on where you're at. But there will be two sides. [21:27]
mircea_popescu romanians for instance had a much better shot in 1989, and still we didn't round them up and shoot the lot. [21:27]
mircea_popescu which i still say would have been the correct solution. [21:27]
mod6 you did get the president and his wife thought right? [21:28]
jurov exactly [21:28]
mircea_popescu mod6 ya. [21:28]
mod6 *nod* i remember that. [21:28]
mircea_popescu well, the president and the vice president or w/e [21:28]
jurov mod6, forget the president.. here whole secret service turned into "entrepreneurs" [21:28]
mod6 ah. [21:28]
mircea_popescu wasn't on the grounds of being the wife, was on the grounds of being pretty much the #2 [21:28]
mod6 ahh i see. [21:29]
mod6 i remember it on tv. it was like, quick trial, then outback to the woodshed. [21:29]
mircea_popescu on christmas eve [21:29]
mod6 Ahh thats right! [21:29]
mircea_popescu half hour before abolishing the deathpenalty. [21:29]
jurov mod6, and the same will happen everywhere... intelligent people will see the system as unsustainable, they'll plan exit routes accordingly [21:29]
mod6 merry christmas, you are free. [21:29]
mircea_popescu the trial was a monstrosity tho. [21:30]
mod6 i don't remember the details.. i guess I was only 9. [21:30]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2011/procesul-ceausescu/ there's the full thing adnotated. (in romanian) [21:30]
mod6 oh cool. :) [21:30]
mircea_popescu possibly the worst kangoroo court i ever saw. [21:30]
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mod6 yeah, it was def. a kangoroo deal, i do remember that. I think they typically are after the revolutionaries take over. [21:31]
mircea_popescu ya but this was a brand apart. [21:31]
mircea_popescu the judge was prosecuting from the bench for crying out loud [21:31]
mod6 oh.. yeah. that doesn't seem like it should make sense. couldn't the people put a good enough case together? [21:32]
mircea_popescu nope. [21:32]
* mod6 translates blog [21:32]
mircea_popescu you couldn't find five people who could actually argue a case atthe time. [21:32]
mircea_popescu and i mean that literally. [21:32]
mod6 well, that happens sometimes. im not sure that we have a lot of lawyers who could successfully prosecute any of the banksters or government officials who've broken the law. [21:33]
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mircea_popescu but anyway, it was something like Francis Biddle or whoever being Indian and going "you're a bad man, you're a very very bad man" at Goebbels. [21:34]
mod6 i mean, it is a raquette and a mob of sorts after all. [21:34]
mircea_popescu racket ? [21:34]
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mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN29X2HCKpU this guy. [21:34]
jurov mircea, and you think if you started to shot communists, would that happen anywhere near accurately and effectively? [21:34]
jurov better not think about it [21:34]
mod6 yeah, for some reason i thought the crime related racket had a different speling. [21:35]
mod6 *spelling... damn i suck at spelling [21:35]
mircea_popescu jurov anyone who ever worked for either the party or the state, bang. simple solution. [21:35]
mircea_popescu be left with half the population maybe, and a clear point in mind. don't do that. [21:35]
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mod6 hmm.. yeah there are a lot of people who work in goverment here, and its getting larger. [21:36]
jurov hm, last time such thing happened with any success was probably when israelites fled egypt [21:36]
mod6 it used to be that you didn't want to work for government ever, unless you were already rich and "heard the call of duty" [21:37]
mircea_popescu hey, im not saying it's practical. [21:37]
jurov and torah was written by winning side anyway [21:37]
mod6 now its like people aspire to work for big bro. [21:37]
mod6 its crazy. [21:37]
mircea_popescu it never is practical. [21:37]
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mod6 (11:29) < jurov> mod6, and the same will happen everywhere... intelligent people will see the system as unsustainable, they'll plan exit routes accordingly << some might. [21:40]
mod6 people are waking up to all of this (four years later I'll add) but there is so much disinformation out there... think frog in pot [21:41]
jurov not might, they will do. and even if not, in the chaos the'yll have advantage of web of contacts. [21:41]
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mod6 and since this is like the matrix, anyone who has any wealth left defends the system. [21:42]
mod6 they're so hoplessly dependant upon easy credit and the system they'll fight to defend it. [21:42]
mod6 until it all comes to a screeching hault. [21:42]
mod6 then RATM [21:43]
lyspooner mod6, what timeline do you expect this to happen [21:43]
jurov mod6, read this: http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060105_soviet_lessons.shtml [21:44]
jurov and get inspired. some things will come to halt, some do not. [21:44]
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mod6 lyspooner: i figure 3 years or less. [21:45]
mod6 as soon as they cut off the SNAP cards. [21:45]
jurov What happens when a modern economy collapses, and the complex society it supports disintegrates? A look at a country that has recently undergone such an experience can be most educational. [21:45]
jurov it's quite long but i thoroughly enjoyed it [21:45]
mircea_popescu jurov it will be horrible for many of the tense spots. new york, largely boston, most of california [21:46]
mircea_popescu the midwest will be mostly fine, even make a pretty penny. [21:46]
jurov maybe. barring any serious climate problems [21:47]
mircea_popescu the problem with california is water really. [21:48]
mircea_popescu the problems with new york are too many to list. [21:48]
Bugpowder Whelp.... Guess I shouldn't be moving to LA [21:48]
mod6 yeah, they wanted me to move to mountain view this year. i was like "LOL yeah right..." [21:49]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder it's a tense place to be in, if shtf. [21:49]
Bugpowder oh boy [21:49]
Bugpowder big wall [21:49]
Bugpowder at 31 now [21:49]
Bugpowder Well... I don't think the fan will be hit [21:50]
Bugpowder Time to buy some fresh real estate in downtown Santa Monica [21:50]
mod6 hmmm. [21:50]
Bugpowder and ride the next asset bubble [21:50]
mod6 Maybe I'm way off and this comedy will continue for 50 years... [21:50]
Bugpowder while you guys are all stressing about the end of the system. I'm going ride it up again. [21:50]
mod6 all ponzi schemes do come to an end though... [21:51]
mod6 Bugpowder: enjoy it while it lasts dude. [21:51]
Bugpowder yes but there are many ways it could play out [21:51]
mod6 but when the music stops, I hope you're not long. [21:51]
Bugpowder Are we talking about global debt crisis or bitcoin prices, BTW? [21:52]
Bugpowder I came in late [21:52]
mod6 hhaha, even if you are and your portfolio is worth 100bn, you won't be able to buy 6 eggs with that. [21:52]
Bugpowder uhhh.... [21:52]
Bugpowder no [21:52]
mod6 lol no!? [21:52]
mod6 think zimbabwe [21:52]
Bugpowder yes [21:53]
Bugpowder how is that relevant? [21:53]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder topic was us collapse not btc. [21:53]
mod6 im like wtf [21:53]
mircea_popescu and ftr i didn't start it. [21:53]
mod6 ok i gotta get some thing to eat. [21:53]
mod6 brb. [21:53]
mod6 i started it. [21:53]
mod6 bbs. [21:54]
Bugpowder short term top? [21:55]
Bugpowder in BTC? [21:55]
DeadWeasel sounds like society collapse [21:55]
mircea_popescu the end of the world is nigh! [21:56]
mircea_popescu eat your girlfriends and fuck your wine for that's all you take with you! [21:56]
Bugpowder The society collapse narrative is really driven by people that want to sell you gold, guns and ammo. [21:56]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder nah [21:57]
mircea_popescu the society collapse narrative has been a mainstay of human culture for as long as such existed [21:57]
Bugpowder yah [21:57]
Bugpowder ok [21:57]
Bugpowder tru [21:57]
mircea_popescu it was discussed in the same terms and with the same motivs in like 1400 [21:57]
mircea_popescu we have records. [21:57]
Bugpowder instead of sacrificing people to the volcano [21:57]
Bugpowder to stave off destruction [21:58]
Bugpowder buy gold and bury it in your backyard [21:58]
Bugpowder or bitcoins [21:58]
Bugpowder buy bitcoins [21:58]
mircea_popescu the thing is tho, human society does collapse periodically. [21:59]
jurov i don't believe in some value tokens so much. i think rather having web of out-of-box thinking people is the key to survival. [21:59]
mircea_popescu also a very good point [22:00]
jurov by the way, you'll come around some tokens, too [22:00]
mircea_popescu jurov now you know why the secret service people ended up entrepreneurs [22:00]
mircea_popescu in catastrophic situations knowing the right people is most valuable. [22:00]
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TomServo mircea_popescu: what are a couple example of societal collapse? [22:01]
Bowjob ;;ticker [22:01]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.25000, Best ask: 30.66940, Bid-ask spread: 0.41940, Last trade: 30.25000, 24 hour volume: 61491.24221722, 24 hour low: 29.67001, 24 hour high: 31.30000, 24 hour vwap: 30.38573 [22:01]
Bowjob Oh shit [22:01]
Bowjob Drop!!! [22:01]
Bugpowder yeah [22:01]
mircea_popescu TomServo the obvious one is the fall of the roman empire. [22:01]
jurov TomServo, http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060105_soviet_lessons.shtml [22:01]
mircea_popescu the old south collapsed as such after the civil war. the british empire did the same. [22:01]
mircea_popescu napoelon's france collapsed, royal france collapsed before that [22:01]
Bugpowder It's driving the 24vwap up though [22:01]
Bugpowder :) [22:01]
mircea_popescu chinese society collapsed like 6 or 7 times [22:01]
mircea_popescu germany collapsed end of ww2, soviet empire end of cold war [22:02]
mircea_popescu how many so far, a dozen ? [22:02]
DeadWeasel aztecs [22:02]
mircea_popescu list is pretty long. [22:02]
Bugpowder Societies do collapse [22:02]
mircea_popescu the hittite empire collapsed completely. the hellenistic empire (larger than any other, incidentally) did likewise [22:02]
DeadWeasel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societal_collapse#Examples_of_civilizations_and_societies_that_have_collapsed [22:02]
TomServo All good examples. I guess the difference this time being the 'shrinking' of the globe? [22:02]
Bugpowder BUT... the probability that in any given generation a collapse will occur rather than a muddling through is pretty low [22:02]
mircea_popescu TomServo i wonder why'd it be a difference. [22:03]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder black swan events. fat tail. all that jazz. [22:03]
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Bugpowder I would think that the collapse would be more obvious ahead of time. [22:03]
mircea_popescu nah [22:03]
TomServo mircea_popescu: well, the roman collapse didn't affect anything going on in america at the time. [22:03]
mircea_popescu i am pretty sure the correct model for understanding them is financial crisis. [22:03]
mircea_popescu TomServo so ? [22:03]
Bugpowder Like, the metro to Santa Monica is almost complete and there are some really nice parks being built. [22:03]
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Bugpowder that does not smell like collapes [22:04]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder some of the best surviving roman architecture is from right before and right after collapse. [22:04]
Bugpowder How many of these collapses were due to outside influence 'changing the game' [22:04]
mircea_popescu in general arts trail. [22:04]
TomServo mircea_popescu: so america collapsing isn't going to just affect america [22:04]
Bugpowder vs internal collapse due to debt/corruption [22:04]
mircea_popescu TomServo this is a theory. we have no actual history to back it yet. [22:04]
Bugpowder 50% [22:04]
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mircea_popescu Bugpowder i don't see why you think those two are categorically distinct. seems the same thing to me. [22:05]
TomServo mircea_popescu: correct I'm just speculating - it just seems like common sense though. [22:05]
mircea_popescu there's nothing common about sense :D [22:05]
TomServo with USD being the reserve currency [22:05]
Bugpowder well, getting conquered, new disease vector, etc [22:05]
TomServo true. [22:05]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder so has china conquered the us ? [22:06]
Bugpowder no [22:06]
mircea_popescu hah. [22:06]
mircea_popescu if we were archeologists we'd look at the items we find and say yes it was. [22:06]
Bugpowder In 1986 everyone thought Japan owned the US and soon the world [22:07]
mircea_popescu not my point tho. [22:07]
jurov and germany won the WWII [22:07]
Bugpowder Perspectives can change quickly [22:07]
mircea_popescu the way "conquest" is established is look at item production and distribution sources. [22:07]
mircea_popescu like, buncha minoan pottery in mainland greece? minos conquered mainland greece. [22:07]
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Bowjob Can we stop the madness [22:13]
Bowjob lets crash bitcoin.. [22:13]
Bowjob upwards! [22:13]
Bowjob ;;ticker [22:13]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.80001, Best ask: 30.88023, Bid-ask spread: 0.08022, Last trade: 30.80001, 24 hour volume: 61512.77047919, 24 hour low: 29.67001, 24 hour high: 31.30000, 24 hour vwap: 30.38853 [22:13]
Bowjob Good enough lol [22:13]
mircea_popescu so basically... i need to add more option lines. [22:14]
mod6 jurov: thanks for that link [22:14]
mod6 Each half-liter bottle of vodka was exchanged for ten liters of gasoline, giving vodka far greater effective energy density than rocket fuel. [22:14]
mircea_popescu mod6 there's an old joke, goes something like this : [22:15]
mircea_popescu buncha people inside a train car stopped in the middle of nowhere. they ask the conductor why aren't they moving ? [22:15]
mircea_popescu "because the engineer is changing the engine". [22:15]
mircea_popescu after a few hours they get impatient [22:15]
mircea_popescu "well... why are not moving still ?" [22:15]
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mircea_popescu "because the engineer changed the engine for a bottle of vodka. [22:16]
mod6 haha [22:16]
mod6 awesome [22:16]
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Bugpowder more option lines are definitely needed [22:17]
mod6 i've read a lot of russian lit, and someday if things are ever better in this world, I'd like to visit. [22:17]
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Bugpowder BTW your analogy about china conquering the US reflects more upon the folly of inference from archeological scraps that on the reality of the current power structure. [22:19]
Bugpowder than on [22:19]
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Bugpowder Does BTCe have a deposit problem or what? [22:19]
Bugpowder http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/btceUSD.html [22:19]
mod6 well, i think since we owe them, and basically we buy all their shit, is that not economic conquring? [22:19]
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rp44 any perceived risk for a retracement today? seems like there is still accelerating buying at the exchanges. [22:21]
kakobrekla http://i.imgur.com/EA4fk.jpeg [22:21]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder possibly so, yes. [22:21]
mod6 lol jesus & meth [22:22]
mircea_popescu rp44 we dunno. [22:22]
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Bowjob Man.. dice isnt doing so hot [22:23]
Bugpowder rp44 There is massive and increasing risk of retracement today [22:24]
Bugpowder and tomorrow [22:24]
Bugpowder and until it occurs [22:24]
mircea_popescu :p [22:24]
Bugpowder in my perception [22:24]
maximian whoa [22:24]
maximian another big dump [22:24]
rp44 ~150K sell on mtgox absorbed in <20 mins [22:24]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [22:27]
Bugpowder MOAR volume [22:27]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.53481, Best ask: 30.61690, Bid-ask spread: 0.08209, Last trade: 30.82357, 24 hour volume: 63933.39569825, 24 hour low: 29.67001, 24 hour high: 31.30000, 24 hour vwap: 30.39600 [22:27]
mircea_popescu so am i adding options to 50 or to 85 ? [22:27]
Bugpowder 50 [22:27]
lyspooner 69 [22:27]
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Bugpowder If it gets to 40, then maybe add some more [22:27]
lyspooner why are the next months' volumes so low? usually by this time there's some open interest worth talking about [22:28]
Namworld S.DICE is fine... [22:28]
mircea_popescu lyspooner ikr? [22:29]
Bugpowder lyspooner: there hasn't been that much volume this moth [22:30]
Bugpowder me, Namworld and unknown other party [22:31]
Bugpowder I think were most of the action [22:31]
* Namworld would like to remind everyone that don't have an MPEx account that they can buy S.DICE-PT/S.MPOE-PT/S.BBET-PT on http://www.btct.co [22:31]
Namworld oh yeah... apparently I chose the wrong time for those options [22:31]
Namworld Unless someone drops 500k BTC on the market RIGHT NOW [22:32]
Bugpowder it could happen [22:32]
Namworld Unlikely, but... [22:33]
Bugpowder Give me an hour... :-P [22:33]
Namworld maybe if I drug some bitcoin big shot enough... [22:33]
mircea_popescu lol [22:34]
Namworld I can make that person believe the price is currently 0.30 USD/BTC and he should stop loss... [22:34]
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mjr__ lol [22:39]
mjr__ it would take a million and a half to move it to 28 i think [22:39]
Namworld Looks like we might have a good month for S.MPOE [22:39]
mjr__ nice [22:40]
Namworld sure, lots of low calls... [22:40]
Namworld but 70k puts bought at 33-35... these are worth almost nothing by now. [22:40]
Namworld They were bought for 1+ BTC each... [22:41]
Namworld major burn [22:41]
DeadWeasel . [22:41]
Namworld maybe... [22:41]
Namworld might have been exercised at some point between then and now. [22:41]
mircea_popescu Namworld i think that was covered tho [22:42]
Namworld probably at some point, yes [22:42]
Namworld just like calls might have been executed early to take profit. It's hard to evaluate. [22:43]
jborkl mp, I have imported and signed the new key- It will not work until the 10th, correct [22:44]
thestringpuller Bugpowder could you get me diff futures? [22:46]
thestringpuller !ticker m X.IDIFF.MAR [22:47]
assbot [MPEX:X.IDIFF.MAR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.07595 / 0.07595 / 0.07595 (8 shares, 0.61 BTC), 30D: 0.0429 / 0.06540414 / 0.089 (338 shares, 22.11 BTC) [22:47]
thestringpuller ;;bc,stats [22:47]
gribble Current Blocks: 222590 | Current Difficulty: 3651011.630693214 | Next Difficulty At Block: 223775 | Next Difficulty In: 1185 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 5 hours, 24 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4896611.1042 | Estimated Percent Change: 34.11656 [22:47]
ThickAsThieves thats more like it [22:47]
Namworld I can also get you futures [22:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064225 = 2.7752 BTC [+] [22:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00064257 = 3.8554 BTC [+] [22:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00064258 = 13.8155 BTC [+] [22:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 679 @ 0.0006434 = 0.4369 BTC [+] [22:52]
mircea_popescu http://mpex.co/ [22:53]
mircea_popescu new option strikes available, 5 to 75. [22:53]
Namworld eh, that's better [22:54]
mircea_popescu the even values will be exercised normally after which they will no longer be offered. [22:54]
mircea_popescu the bot is going to quote under supervision for the next hour or so, trades may be reverted. [22:54]
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Namworld no even value? odd. [22:55]
mircea_popescu lol [22:55]
mircea_popescu that is EXACTLY why i picked it :D [22:55]
mircea_popescu i totally can't believe i had to do this once a month ffs. [22:56]
Namworld eh [22:56]
ThickAsThieves What is "K.KBRL Pending, due klim." ? [22:57]
mircea_popescu values 1 to 20 worked fine for like 6 months [22:57]
Namworld Well expect to repeat every few years I guess. [22:57]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves more an inside joke than anything [22:57]
ThickAsThieves word [22:57]
Namworld Thick: It's a joke apparently [22:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17311 @ 0.0006434 = 11.1379 BTC [+] [22:58]
Bugpowder thestringpuller: get you them? [22:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15239 @ 0.00064369 = 9.8092 BTC [+] [22:58]
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Bugpowder [15:40] but 70k puts bought at 33-35... these are worth almost nothing by now. Those were last month right? [22:59]
Bugpowder That was the 10k shorted then rebought. [22:59]
Namworld Oh, maybe [22:59]
jurov btw, my pympex fork is already prepared for new key.. should switch itself automatically [22:59]
Bugpowder remember we are on a short moth [22:59]
Bugpowder month [22:59]
Namworld yeah [22:59]
Namworld K.KBRL seems like Ka.KoBRekLa, the manager of this channel. [22:59]
mircea_popescu jurov nice! [22:59]
Namworld When can I buy parts of Kako? [23:00]
mircea_popescu Namworld it was originally, believe it or not, preparing for a bitbond listing (amazingrando's thing) [23:00]
mircea_popescu that deal fell through. [23:00]
mircea_popescu so the entire mpex community didn't end up scammed [23:00]
Namworld eh [23:00]
mircea_popescu i kept it on the books there for months, then eventually when we were preparing to launch bitbet i moved it to k.kbrl [23:01]
mircea_popescu i'll get rid of it one of these days, but what's the hurry. [23:01]
Bugpowder thestringpuller: Herrro??? [23:01]
thestringpuller yo [23:01]
mircea_popescu actually... [23:01]
Bugpowder what did you mean, get you futures/ [23:02]
thestringpuller can I send you money for diff futures? [23:02]
thestringpuller push them to smickles [23:02]
jurov i can do it, too [23:02]
mircea_popescu there, i've updated it. [23:02]
Bugpowder ok [23:02]
Bugpowder how many and what price? [23:02]
Namworld I offered too jurov... no answer [23:02]
thestringpuller im at work [23:03]
thestringpuller lol [23:03]
Namworld He wants bugpowder. [23:03]
thestringpuller on a phone [23:03]
thestringpuller i didnt see your msg Namworld [23:03]
Bowjob We need some bit news about s.dice.. it seems to be out of the spotlight lately [23:04]
ThickAsThieves mp, do you have any new assets in the pipeline for mpex? [23:04]
Bugpowder probably not a bad thing to be out of the spotlight [23:04]
Bugpowder it got a LOT of press [23:04]
jurov lol, he just created option upwards to 75 [23:04]
jurov but seems he isn't selling them atm [23:04]
Bugpowder only after opex [23:04]
Bugpowder last 24 hours are too easy to game the system [23:05]
Bugpowder afraid to go to the gym. [23:05]
Namworld bugpowder... bugpowder... bugpowder everywhere on my screen! Mothra must be around. [23:05]
Bugpowder might need to exercise the options [23:05]
Bugpowder DUST [23:05]
Bugpowder !ticker m s.mpoe [23:05]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00063035 / 0.00063769 / 0.00064369 (1230906 shares, 784.94 BTC), 7D: 0.000622 / 0.00064929 / 0.00068894 (10550014 shares, 6,850.11 BTC), 30D: 0.00059613 / 0.00066482 / 0.0007 (72358008 shares, 48,105.59 BTC) [23:05]
Bugpowder can we bid this shit back up to .0007 please [23:05]
thestringpuller it will soon [23:06]
thestringpuller after divs [23:06]
Bugpowder that makes sens [23:06]
Bugpowder ok [23:06]
Bugpowder gotta go get ripped. [23:06]
Bugpowder no crashing the market while I'm gone. [23:06]
Namworld We should have the profit statement released soon [23:06]
Namworld Bugpowder, no worries [23:07]
Bugpowder well after opex [23:07]
Namworld We'll just dump 5 million BTC on the market [23:07]
Bugpowder unless you are REALLY gonna crash it [23:07]
Bugpowder I'm cool with that too [23:07]
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Bowjob lemme cash out before you dump it lol [23:10]
Namworld You'll cash out at 1 USD/BTC like everyone else while I buy... [23:10]
mod6 same [23:11]
thestringpuller mod6 [23:11]
mod6 thestringpuller: [23:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 148 @ 0.008 = 1.184 BTC [-] [23:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00784 BTC [-] [23:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.00351 BTC [-] [23:12]
Bowjob cashing out at 50 bucks, buying back at 2 dollars :3 [23:12]
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Bowjob whatever happened to erik ? [23:13]
mod6 the bike man? [23:13]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C070N] 1000 @ 0.95853928 = 958.5393 BTC [+] [23:16]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C050N] 1000 @ 0.99946531 = 999.4653 BTC [+] [23:16]
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ThickAsThieves someone said he's been in meetings all week [23:16]
ThickAsThieves assuming you mean evoor [23:17]
Bowjob maybe hes selling to a big player [23:17]
Namworld Who buys calls at 0.99946531? [23:17]
gigavps or talking to the feds [23:17]
Namworld That's almost impossible to be worth more than that... [23:17]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00608 BTC [+] [23:23]
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jurov i'd like someone to sell me C750N [23:25]
jurov but tomorrow [23:25]
jurov or at least C500N [23:26]
ThickAsThieves sdice profit = 1998BTC the day [23:27]
jurov or C1000N lol [23:27]
maximian awesome [23:27]
ThickAsThieves *for the day [23:27]
maximian 12000+ BTC for the month [23:27]
Bowjob mhm [23:27]
maximian * price sinks * [23:27]
Bowjob nb i guess [23:27]
Bowjob slow month for dice [23:28]
maximian it's great [23:28]
maximian nah, everyone got spoiled by the whale [23:28]
mircea_popescu jurov well you're gonna be able to buy from teh bot. [23:28]
Bowjob how much of that 12k is from the whale [23:28]
jurov mircea_popescu iirc when new options up to 35 were created, there was no offer for a long time there [23:29]
maximian not sure [23:29]
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mircea_popescu jurov no ? [23:29]
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jurov but i may remember wrongly. [23:30]
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mircea_popescu they were created the 24th and were on offer normally after the 25th of last month [23:30]
Bowjob ah 2k profit [23:30]
mircea_popescu currently we're scratching heads over a VERY FUCKING WEIRD THING. [23:31]
mircea_popescu look at how the bot values far calls. [23:31]
mircea_popescu O.BTCUSD.C590N 0.02835972 [23:31]
mircea_popescu O.BTCUSD.C590N 0.02835972 [23:31]
mircea_popescu O.BTCUSD.C630N 0.00015275 [23:31]
mircea_popescu O.BTCUSD.C730N 0.00020444 [23:32]
mircea_popescu i mean da fuck ?! [23:32]
jurov looks like it misparsed the strike [23:32]
mircea_popescu c730 are worth like 30% more than c630 ? srsly ? [23:32]
jurov dunno [23:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064114 = 2.7704 BTC [-] [23:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3729 @ 0.00064096 = 2.3901 BTC [-] [23:34]
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ThickAsThieves iphone facebook app allows free calls now [23:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 361 @ 0.00064369 = 0.2324 BTC [+] [23:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064385 = 2.7821 BTC [+] [23:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00064386 = 7.34 BTC [+] [23:43]
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mod6 I re-read the The Ceausescu article. I forgot that I already read it before, but it was a good review. [23:50]
mod6 That Judge was something else though, you're right. [23:50]
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