Forum logs for 22 Aug 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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BingoBoingo %t [02:33]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 221 Last Price: 170 24h-Vol: 6k High: 170 Low: 170 VWAP: 169 [02:33]
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nubbins` calc 40/[ticker --last] [02:47]
nubbins` ;;calc 40/[ticker --last] [02:47]
gribble 0.076995630498 [02:47]
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ben_vulpes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBFYTNXaP5U << the only acceptable listening for hacking aws automation [03:28]
assbot Year Of No Light - Tocsin [Full Album] [HQ] - YouTube [03:28]
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mircea_popescu lol [03:54]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: herr church: from his writings, it seems as if he started out as basically-functional human (maths type?) but then ended up in the si. valley garbage disposal and was mutilated there (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7340013) [03:57]
assbot I've written about it at length already and don't choose to relive it in detail,... | Hacker News [03:57]
asciilifeform now he's a living 'tilt mode' and campaigns for... unionizing programmers ? [03:58]
asciilifeform or perhaps not in sv proper, but in related bezzlatron elsewhere [03:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.2989 = 1.1956 BTC [+] [03:59]
* asciilifeform doesn't know this fellow, can't say for certain [03:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i agree. [04:01]
asciilifeform http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2014/06/09/silicon-valley-and-the-rise-of-the-disneypreneur << basically factual afaik [04:01]
assbot Silicon Valley and the Rise of the Disneypreneur | Michael O. Church [04:01]
mircea_popescu guy;d have benefited immensely from a non absent father. [04:01]
asciilifeform seems like he's just pining for gasenwagen and yearns to hasten it [04:01]
mircea_popescu in point of fact, unionization of "founders" in sv is unavoidable. [04:02]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8866 @ 0.00064403 = 5.71 BTC [-] [04:02]
asciilifeform probably a good candidate for a future 'joseph stack' incident. [04:02]
asciilifeform wonder what kind of kinetic energy delivery system he'll pick. [04:03]
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mircea_popescu nah these cowardly pricks never kill anyone. [04:04]
asciilifeform sure they do. [04:05]
mircea_popescu "The 2010 Austin terrorist attack" dude for crying out loud. [04:06]
asciilifeform 'the broom shoots once.' [04:06]
mircea_popescu do these people even know what terrorist means ? [04:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the broom dood. not the dog vomit moss. [04:06]
mthreat what's the 2010 Austin terrorist attack? [04:06]
mthreat I must have survived it [04:06]
mircea_popescu mthreat some guy got pissed off at irs, flew his radio airplane into a pole across the street. [04:07]
asciilifeform 'Один раз в жизни и швабра стреляет' [04:07]
mthreat oh right [04:07]
mthreat I used to work in teh building next to the one he hit. [04:07]
mircea_popescu were you terrorized ? [04:07]
mthreat He hit the building with the IRS investigators [04:07]
mthreat I wasn't terrorized [04:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: radio airplane << ordinary airplane, with him in [04:08]
mircea_popescu im in the process of forcing a point. [04:08]
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The20YearIRCloud Wasn't it a single engine, real life sized airplane? [04:10]
asciilifeform The20YearIRCloud: according to the official story - it was. [04:11]
* asciilifeform wasn't there, didn't fill it [04:11]
mircea_popescu radio erevan answers! user : is it true that ivan ivanovich was given a bike ? [04:11]
The20YearIRCloud Of course, the greys were behind it [04:11]
mircea_popescu re : yes, it is true, except it wasn't ivan ivanovich but vladimir vladimirovich, it wasn't a bike but a car and it wasn't given but taken away [04:11]
asciilifeform 'not a bike, but a wheelbarrow, and not given, but deprived of' [04:11]
asciilifeform lol [04:11]
mircea_popescu :p [04:11]
asciilifeform everybody knows that one. [04:11]
mircea_popescu "everbody" as in всякий [04:12]
asciilifeform ahaha [04:12]
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asciilifeform in alternate hypothesis of radio-plane-into-pole, what'd he fill it with? octanitrocubane? [04:13]
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mircea_popescu i was not seriously proposing that was what happened. i was merely illustrating the disproportion between what occurred and terrorism. [04:14]
asciilifeform aha [04:14]
mircea_popescu "sammy j beats his wife regularly. johnny told his wife if she doesn't stop dressing like an out of work whore he'll beat her too. sammy is on trial for terrorism nao" [04:14]
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asciilifeform but - how do we know that herr church is a coward? [04:17]
asciilifeform merely because he has not flown his plane yet ? [04:17]
mircea_popescu well i don't know how we know, and i don't really know how i know. but i do know. [04:18]
mircea_popescu i can tell. no idea. [04:18]
mircea_popescu too narcissistic perhaps. it just fits with experience. [04:18]
asciilifeform his writings are inescapably reminiscent of j. stack's [04:18]
asciilifeform at any rate, they have the flavour of the work of a man who doesn't intend to live particularly long. [04:19]
mircea_popescu i never read that guy, but i will take the challenge. show how. [04:19]
asciilifeform stack? or church [04:19]
mircea_popescu well the two. you said they're similar. [04:20]
asciilifeform pretty sure we autopsied herr stack here [04:20]
asciilifeform !s joseph stack [04:20]
assbot 3 results for 'joseph stack' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=joseph+stack [04:20]
mircea_popescu i guess the j stack replica in my head flew a plane into part of my memory [04:20]
mircea_popescu metaterrorism [04:20]
asciilifeform lol [04:21]
asciilifeform ;;google joseph stack manifesto [04:21]
gribble Insane Manifesto Of Austin Texas Crash Pilot Joseph Andrew Stack: ; here's the Manifesto of Joseph Stack -- "Mr. Big Brother IRS Man ...: ; 2010 Austin suicide attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (1 more message) [04:21]
mircea_popescu ok so what are the similarities between http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7740464 and article in question ? [04:22]
assbot here's the Manifesto of Joseph Stack -- "Mr. Big Brother IRS Man" - RE Austin plane crash - Democratic Underground [04:22]
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asciilifeform similar in that both attested to being 'in a corner' - whether by ill fortune, having pissed off wrong people, or some genuine misdeeds of whatever kind [04:23]
mircea_popescu im not sure that whether is valid in context. [04:23]
mircea_popescu people in a corner by ill fortune get depressed. people in a corner by misdeeds reprogram. people in a corner by having pissed off wrong people turn sluts. [04:24]
asciilifeform turn sluts ? [04:24]
mircea_popescu the only people that start throwing things are the people in a corner through a system they do not wish to continue in any circumstances. [04:24]
asciilifeform yes. that'd be it. [04:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, the process through which girls become wives and us citizens usg informants. [04:25]
asciilifeform even the lowest stoolie is still, at least in his mind, 'part of something' [04:26]
asciilifeform especially if his handler isn't quite finished with him [04:26]
mircea_popescu exactly. [04:26]
asciilifeform this other picture, is that of a feral dog, who knows that the next stop is the soap boiler and carries on accordingly [04:27]
mircea_popescu and mike ocd is also part of something. whereas the austin guy clearly is not. [04:27]
asciilifeform what gives the picture that he's part of something? and, what might this something e [04:27]
asciilifeform be [04:27]
mircea_popescu do you see the difference between some party declaring war (whether this is entirely in their own mind and an exercise in pure ridicule) and someone declaring jihad ? [04:28]
mircea_popescu the former perceives he has some sort of army. [04:28]
mircea_popescu the latter perceives he does not need one. [04:28]
asciilifeform there's a palpable 'if not you then who, if not now then when' flavour to the latter. [04:28]
asciilifeform like the old u.s. army ad, 'be an army of one.' [04:29]
asciilifeform (long gone, incidentally. they got a new pr team.) [04:29]
mircea_popescu of course. there's a lot of power in disinterest. [04:29]
mthreat this is for mircea_popescu: http://instagram.com/p/dVL0KigdHo [04:29]
assbot Instagram [04:29]
mircea_popescu mthreat pastry ? [04:30]
mthreat cupcake [04:30]
mircea_popescu i just ordered a replica made :D [04:31]
mircea_popescu someone, somewhere is probably cursing you nao. [04:31]
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nubbins` ok, so "what is bitcoin" poster design is complete [04:33]
nubbins` just printing a proof now on the inkjet, likely start pre-press in the next couple days [04:34]
mircea_popescu cool. [04:34]
decimation re: satellite : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Extremely_High_Frequency << according to la wik, it is geosynchronous, not a leo [04:34]
assbot Advanced Extremely High Frequency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [04:34]
mircea_popescu decimation something that big can't be in leo anyway. [04:35]
decimation well, the ISS is [04:36]
decimation except they have constantly boost the orbit [04:36]
mircea_popescu well the iss is not a closed system. [04:37]
mircea_popescu if it had to carry all its fuel it'd have collapsed years ago. [04:37]
decimation indeed. the mind reels at the cost/benefit ratio [04:38]
mircea_popescu then consider the sigma events. [04:38]
mircea_popescu solar flare ? atmosphere expands even 500kms. [04:38]
mircea_popescu that means your 2k km orbit has just been degraded significantly, and you're now dragging 10x or 100x what you were a minute ago. [04:39]
decimation I was reading antifragile earlier today. [04:39]
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mircea_popescu (remember skylab ?) [04:40]
decimation MIR was up for a long time; also with constant attention [04:40]
mircea_popescu yup [04:42]
decimation spending the $billions on a robot-mining-factory would have had much better roi than idiots floating in space [04:42]
* asciilifeform wonders if any of these machines were fitted with scoops. snarf up atmospheric gas, piss it out the accelerator tube (earthwise.) no need for on-board tank. [04:42]
asciilifeform by no means a 'maxwell daemon', given as there is a power source (officially - photovoltaics; in practice - mini-reactor) [04:43]
* asciilifeform wonders if this could even be carried out mechanically, with something like a wirbelrohr. [04:44]
decimation asciilifeform: they definitely do use electromagnets to oppose the earth's magnetic field and generate thrust: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_torquers [04:44]
assbot Magnetorquer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [04:44]
decimation asciilifeform: the trouble is that you would have to increase surface area, and therefore drag, to operate such a collector [04:45]
decimation friction opposes the extra thrust-mass [04:46]
* asciilifeform guesses that someone whose arse depends on the outcome crunched the numbers [04:46]
* asciilifeform guesses wrong before, however. [04:46]
decimation heh yeah. it's close to this idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bussard_ramjet [04:47]
assbot Bussard ramjet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [04:47]
asciilifeform not strictly necessary to increase surface area. [04:47]
asciilifeform just make sure that all exposed surfaces are scoops. [04:47]
decimation presumably this would make the surface 'rough', and therefore increase friction. but now we are in the realm of highly non-linear fluid dynamics [04:48]
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mircea_popescu * asciilifeform wonders if this could even be carried out mechanically, with something like a wirbelrohr. << you'd need a good ion engine, actually. [04:50]
mircea_popescu at something like 100pa, all you need is to accelerate one ion in 100 to 100 times the average brownian speed. [04:50]
mircea_popescu this is the major application for ion engines, not space travel : mangement of the upper atmosphere. nobody wants to say this, for some reason. [04:51]
* asciilifeform blows dust of 'reducing space mission cost' (wertzel & larson) [04:52]
mircea_popescu and speaking of the upper atmosphere : i have had to extreme pleasure to encounter again the sun of my youth, down here. for the first fifteen or so years of my existence on earth, the sun was this warm, pleasant, narrow source. [04:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nobody wants to say this, for some reason << what? this is a schoolbook fact [04:52]
mircea_popescu then it became an impossible near uv, far uv, ir etc horror, to the degree i couldn't even look at the daytime sky. [04:52]
asciilifeform only place such engines are ever found [04:52]
mircea_popescu but now... it's all better. so i guess in a few more decades only northeners will be fit to go on space missions [04:53]
mircea_popescu and they won't even need that much shielding . [04:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well in teh press. generally "ion engine" => intergallactic travel. [04:53]
asciilifeform lol [04:53]
asciilifeform it's a fscking commercial product [04:54]
mircea_popescu s/nobody/journonobodies [04:54]
asciilifeform the difference between profit and orbital garbage [04:55]
asciilifeform at any rate, w&l pedantically list every basic gyrostabilization gizmo, including the magnetic one, but nothing bussard-esque. [04:55]
decimation la wik recommends this book: "The Star Flight Handbook" for the math on the bussard design [04:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well iirc that thing was predicated on proton-proton fusion [04:56]
* asciilifeform inherited the little book from a job as student, where he had approximately the same relationship to ion engines as a farting cow has to the 'greenhouse effect' [04:56]
mircea_popescu which irl never happens. [04:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12204 @ 0.00064278 = 7.8445 BTC [-] [04:57]
decimation the most realistic "intergalactic travel" design that I'm aware of is the one that shits nukes every few minutes [04:58]
asciilifeform in principle, if you can piss atoms out, in direction opposite where they came from, with greater v - you move. [04:58]
asciilifeform or rather, in same directio [04:58]
asciilifeform n [04:58]
asciilifeform (depends where you want to go) [04:58]
asciilifeform opposite, ideally [04:59]
* asciilifeform is not awake [04:59]
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mircea_popescu Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about a [05:01]
mircea_popescu ll of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement. [05:01]
mircea_popescu but no, because nobel-prize-whatshisface said that government spending is beneficial for the economy. [05:01]
decimation heh what link? [05:01]
mircea_popescu decimation earlier terrorist. [05:01]
mircea_popescu what do you mean making some bases which you then close is on the whole a net negative, putting the place worse off than it would have been had you minded your own business! [05:02]
asciilifeform re: magnetorquer: saw one in toy store recently! (vendor: http://www.turtletechdesign.com) [05:02]
decimation well, like Mr. church pointed out earlier, most folk who took it hard were the lowly engineers and techs who were just trying to get by [05:02]
mircea_popescu generally the masses in the democracy tend to get it nice and hard. which seems fair, if only in a very cold, distant, macro sense. [05:03]
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decimation asciilifeform: that's pretty cool! [05:04]
decimation I suspect they charge golden toilet prices though [05:04]
asciilifeform decimation: it was a toy. somewhere north of 100 usd, i think [05:05]
asciilifeform just sits there and turns. [05:05]
asciilifeform (so long as the room is lit) [05:05]
decimation wonder how it would work on the magnetic pole [05:06]
mircea_popescu "But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. " [05:06]
mircea_popescu people really need to figure out this affect/effect ensure/insure business. [05:06]
asciilifeform lol [05:06]
* asciilifeform apparently is not the only one annoyed by the word abuse [05:07]
mircea_popescu it really bothers me when i see people who're supposedly detail oriented, engineers and whatnot. [05:07]
* asciilifeform recently walked past a marble wall, thanking various donors to xxx that 'insured a bright future for this establishment' [05:07]
mircea_popescu i mean, i don't think i yet published an article without a typo or two in it, sure. but there's a difference. [05:07]
ben_vulpes solar flare ? atmosphere expands even 500kms. << see, this is why i read the logs obsessively. [05:07]
ben_vulpes atmo expands 500kms under flare? [05:08]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes atmosphere is mostly constrained by gravity, which makes the heat a major factor. if you heat it it expands. [05:08]
asciilifeform homophone malapropisms are a kind of leper's bell for people who learned english (or whichever language) by hearing, and are innocent of books [05:08]
mircea_popescu upper atmosphere is constrained magnetically. disturb the field, it expands/shrinks [05:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform quite. and some people shouldn't be innocent of books, and MORE IMPORTANTLY of the written process of thinking. [05:09]
decimation the worst effect of a solar flare is the massive plasma cloud that the sun farts when it happens. if it hits the earth just right, it sets up massive moving magnetic fields which generate large currents in long conductors [05:09]
mircea_popescu fucking visual "thinkers" meh. [05:09]
mircea_popescu decimation that's for down on the surface tho. [05:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there's also a third, very annoying van allen belt (!) that pops up during flares. [05:09]
asciilifeform (recently documented) [05:09]
decimation asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu said the other night, the sea will be our loving mother long before space embraces humanity [05:10]
The20YearIRCloud takes a pretty good hit from a flare to cause significant problems [05:10]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes but yes, as far as numerically approached, a major flare can do 500km. [05:10]
The20YearIRCloud with all of the flares below X class ones, it just reduces signal range/strength with the benefit being an easier job skipping radio signals [05:10]
ben_vulpes paha that's intense. [05:10]
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decimation The20YearIRCloud: that's not quite accurate [05:11]
ben_vulpes so a big one will not just wipe out lots of networks, but also totally fuck a lot of orbital planning. [05:11]
The20YearIRCloud That's what my understanding was [05:11]
asciilifeform van allen belt, incidentally, is what becomes the 'dynamo' for a nuke's emp burst. [05:11]
asciilifeform but afaik this is well-known [05:11]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes older satellites are better planned ironically. modern military shit however, especially us stuff is in real danger [05:11]
decimation the lower ionospheric d-layer becomes ionized which absorbs most lower-frequency HF signals. most line-of-sight vhf/uhf is unaffected [05:11]
ben_vulpes not to me - what do you mean by "dynamo"? [05:11]
decimation in the long run, the higher f-layers become ionized too, enabling longer-distance reliable communication on HF [05:12]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: older engineers really thought through a lot a lot of potential orbital problems - doesn't really surprise me. [05:12]
asciilifeform the place where charge moves (in this case, electrons) to generate magnetic field [05:12]
The20YearIRCloud And from my understanding it also effected higher band stuff too [05:12]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes no, actually, they just had much less data and better training, so they put slack in. [05:12]
The20YearIRCloud And i also thought that some satellites still utilized lower band stuff for altitude controls [05:12]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they also paid considerably more for launches [05:12]
asciilifeform the machines had to last. [05:12]
mircea_popescu current guys are very tightly oppressed by budgets and there's this overwhelming delusion that "we know shit" making a lot of garbage numbers be accepted . [05:12]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i meant the same thing. "i have no idea! better make some thick factors of safety in there." [05:13]
mircea_popescu yup. [05:13]
mircea_popescu inasmuch as "i dunno, make it twelve inches thick" is thinking [05:13]
mircea_popescu ironically, in engineering it usually is the best of thinkings. [05:13]
ben_vulpes this is closely related to a conversation i had today in which someone tried to argue without proof that a toyota tundra with its 10klb rating could *never NEVER* pull the US orbiter [05:13]
decimation the d-layer is up around 60 km above the surface, if the x-rays ionized the air around your head you would have bigger problems [05:14]
ben_vulpes i point out a) those ratings are for highway operation, b) those ratings are so that joe sixpack can haul his 12klb boat up a 30deg ramp c) that generally the operating envelope is entirely different [05:14]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: never pull? have them visit one of the 19th c. 'rotating prisons' [05:14]
asciilifeform jailer turned the entire building on a pivot - with hand crank. [05:14]
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decimation http://www.ips.gov.au/Educational/1/3/5 here's a page with a graph that shows attenuation in different frequency bands [05:14]
assbot IPS - Space Weather - Radio Fadeouts and Solar Flares [05:14]
asciilifeform http://www.rotaryjailmuseum.org [05:15]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: surprisingly, i understand the power of leverage and reduced friction in tandem. [05:15]
assbot Welcome! [05:15]
nubbins` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPoqNeR3_UA [05:15]
assbot Star Trek TNG Ambient Engine Noise (Idling for 24 hrs) - YouTube [05:15]
kakobrekla noice. [05:17]
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decimation re: engineering thinking < taleb makes this point, if you want to learn about reality, ask someone who has tried to get things done, not someone who is a bureaucrat [05:19]
mircea_popescu !up InternetNazi [05:20]
-assbot- You voiced InternetNazi for 30 minutes. [05:20]
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decimation http://www.isegoria.net/2014/08/read-them-the-riot-act/ "If the group failed to disperse within one hour, then anyone remaining gathered was guilty of a felony without benefit of clergy, punishable by death." [05:21]
assbot Read Them the Riot Act « Isegoria [05:21]
decimation such a long way the british have fallen [05:21]
asciilifeform 'pour la canaille la mitraille.' [05:21]
decimation http://www.isegoria.net/2014/08/public-health-benefits-of-culture/ "one could conclude that a mass conversion to Mormonism would reduce social problems more effectively than all welfare spending, academic research, and public health initiatives in the last fifty years." [05:22]
assbot Public Health Benefits of Culture « Isegoria [05:22]
asciilifeform decimation: wonder why he suggests mormonism, vs. islam. [05:22]
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asciilifeform (the usual favourite prescription of similar pontificators) [05:23]
decimation I suspect that the variance of the "mormon benefit" is lower, given that it hasn't had 1500 years to fracture [05:23]
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mircea_popescu decimation no, but it would manage to reduce mormonism to something below what its critics today perceive of it. [05:24]
decimation I view it as proof of the costs of antinomianism [05:25]
asciilifeform 'google workers are clean-shaved and obedient. therefore everyone should be conscripted to work for google.' [05:25]
asciilifeform ^ similarly idiotic and equivalent modest proposal [05:25]
ben_vulpes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPoqNeR3_UA << i was rocking that this morning before the shop got rowdy [05:25]
assbot Star Trek TNG Ambient Engine Noise (Idling for 24 hrs) - YouTube [05:25]
nubbins` heh [05:26]
nubbins` i just realized i'd been listening to it for 3.5 hours [05:26]
ben_vulpes best white noise. [05:26]
nubbins` nod [05:26]
decimation asciilifeform: you have spoken about the benefits of having a 'tribe' in the past [05:26]
decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770620 [05:27]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log [05:27]
asciilifeform decimation: sure. [05:27]
asciilifeform doesn't mean you can engineer this retroactively [05:27]
asciilifeform mr mold once wrote, if i recall, that his greatest wish is that he were a mormon or moslem [05:28]
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ben_vulpes 'burner' isn't a bad tribe. needs filtering, but all do anyways. [05:30]
asciilifeform burner ? [05:30]
decimation asciilifeform: agreed, such things must grow 'organically' [05:30]
ben_vulpes someone affiliated with those who attend burning man regularly. [05:30]
ben_vulpes the most interesting and network-worthy tend to eschew the actual burn in favor of the smaller regional events and their hometown community. [05:31]
asciilifeform what's a tribe next? chess? [05:31]
ben_vulpes what's a tribe in the first place? [05:31]
nubbins` ^ [05:32]
asciilifeform pygmies, sure. mormons - ok. tuba players? nope [05:32]
ben_vulpes if you're expected to provide succor in time of need and can lean on the tribe in turn in your own time of need? [05:32]
nubbins` they're a tribe at band camp [05:32]
* asciilifeform doesn't understand why words must be stretched until they snap. 'tribe' has a well-understood meaning [05:33]
decimation ;;ud tribe [05:35]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tribes | Tribes. One of the best games in existance. Despite subpar graphics, this game, created by Dynamix and Sierra, is very easily modded (not to mention pirated), ... [05:35]
asciilifeform lol [05:35]
decimation lol [05:35]
ben_vulpes ""Tribe" is a contested term due to its roots in colonialism." [05:35]
ben_vulpes ^^ pediwik [05:35]
decimation in other words: whatever some white man thought is racsis, he doesn't get a say [05:36]
mircea_popescu someone affiliated with those who attend burning man regularly. << sluts make a much better tribe imo. [05:36]
asciilifeform orc science quote of the day: [05:36]
asciilifeform 'The smell of diborane is known to a few experimenters, but they cannot tell us what it is.' [05:36]
asciilifeform ('химия и жизнь', 1991, forget which month) [05:37]
ben_vulpes plenty of sluts circle the Man [05:37]
ben_vulpes "sex positive" << one of the reasons i spent so much time with 'em [05:37]
mircea_popescu which is why you believe the burning man is good :) [05:37]
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decimation herr walker has a book review on boronated fuels http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2014-03/001499.html [05:40]
assbot Reading List: The Green Flame (Fourmilog: None Dare Call It Reason) [05:40]
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asciilifeform sr-71 'blackbird.' [05:43]
asciilifeform and 'kelly's lighter fluid.' [05:43]
asciilifeform (peculiar fuel, that was entirely non-flammable under ordinary conditions, but would burn with triethylboron.) [05:44]
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decimation here's an older review in a similar vein: http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2012-04/001367.html " in the quest for “exotic fuel” (which the author defines as “It's expensive, it's got boron in it, and it probably doesn't work.”), " [05:45]
assbot Reading List: Ignition! (Fourmilog: None Dare Call It Reason) [05:45]
asciilifeform 'the operator is confronted with the problem of coping with a metal-fluorine fire. For dealing with this situation, I have always recommended a good pair of running shoes.' << famous [05:47]
* mircea_popescu recalls lab where countermeasure was very large h2so4 vat. [05:48]
mircea_popescu "in case of ni-fl fire, dump vat" [05:48]
decimation how is that going to help? melt your face? [05:48]
mircea_popescu i have nfi [05:49]
asciilifeform b2h6 is a beauty. reacts with pretty much everything, including fluorocarbon extinguisher agents, e.g. halon. [05:49]
mircea_popescu maybe the idea was that if you're close enough you're burning anyway. [05:49]
decimation the nazis used hypergolics to 'operationalize' their rocket plane: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-Stoff " there were numerous catastrophic explosions of the Messerschmitt Me 163 aircraft that employed this fuel system" not shit [05:50]
assbot C-Stoff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [05:50]
asciilifeform aha, where sometimes landed, but pilot dissolved. [05:50]
asciilifeform until (afaik) the '80s, soviet rockets flew on (asymmetric) dimethylhydrazine [05:52]
decimation I guess this is why burt rutan et.al. are so interested in nitrous oxide/kerosene [05:54]
kakobrekla a yea messerschmitt, i have flown that. [05:55]
mircea_popescu well not that exact model i should hope [05:56]
decimation the me-163? [05:56]
decimation yeah you would face a pretty good chance of death [05:56]
kakobrekla yea, in sturmovik. [05:56]
decimation I thought the best part of that tom cruise movie about the 20 juli plot was the fully-painted and operational FW 200 Condor [05:57]
decimation sorry I mean a junkers Ju52 [05:58]
decimation http://www.impdb.org/index.php?title=File:Valk_junker_J52_09.jpg [05:58]
assbot File:Valk junker J52 09.jpg - The Internet Movie Plane Database [05:58]
decimation apparently there's a group called Ju-air that maintains the thing, I'm sure for golden toliet prices they will also paint like hitler's plane http://www.ruudleeuw.com/dubendorf09.htm [06:00]
assbot Dubendorf Air Museum [06:00]
peterl mircea_popescu lab where countermeasure was very large h2so4 vat. // decimation: how is that going to help? melt your face? << The acid will absorb the borohydride and deactivate it, makes boric acid [06:01]
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decimation peterl: interesting [06:02]
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peterl today I realized that in my lab I have ingredients to synthesize methamphetamine ... [06:04]
decimation peterl: using methylamine, breaking-bad style? [06:06]
peterl and this is why the drug war will never stop, because you can make the stuff from stupidly common compounds [06:06]
peterl no, a less traditional synthesis, from benzyl bromide, methylamine and acetaldehyde [06:06]
peterl oh, wait, you did say methylamine, heh [06:07]
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decimation peterl: not only mdma, but also lots of other synthetic drugs that haven't even been identified yet [06:08]
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peterl gave me a great idea of a synthetic project, to optimize the synthesis, but I don't think my boss would like the target [06:09]
decimation as usual, usg is there to help http://cen.acs.org/articles/90/i35/US-Criminalizes-Designer-Drugs.html [06:10]
assbot U.S. Criminalizes Designer Drugs | August 27, 2012 Issue - Vol. 90 Issue 35 | Chemical & Engineering News [06:10]
asciilifeform incidentally, usg proclaims that 'reagents' plus 'intent' is judged like X kg of final product. which usually sums to life-at-hard-labour. [06:10]
asciilifeform (where X is the mass of reagents found on the condemned) [06:11]
decimation "DEA acknowledges that not all of the designer drugs seized in the effort are listed on Schedule I. But the agency says prosecutors will rely on a federal law that allows these nonlisted compounds to be treated like a controlled substance if they are proven in court to be chemically or pharmacologically similar to a Schedule I drug." LoL as if a jury knows [06:11]
nubbins` but officer, i was harvesting this ergot for my migraines [06:11]
asciilifeform decimation: famous 'analogues act' [06:11]
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decimation in engineering school we had a patent lawyer speak about his profession. He said he had to explain to a jury the concept of imaginary numbers, using colored pieces of posterboard [06:13]
asciilifeform decimation: did he explain why an engineer must never read an (unexpired) patent ? [06:13]
asciilifeform on pain of defrocking [06:13]
decimation heh no I hadn't heard that one, why not? one patent game is to "extend" patent X with minor variation X' [06:14]
peterl I read unexpired patents all the time [06:14]
asciilifeform if you admitted to reading a patent, and then lose infringement suit, plaintiff gets triple damages [06:14]
asciilifeform 'willful.' [06:14]
* asciilifeform IANAL but was taught this. [06:15]
decimation ah well if you are in that situation your lawyer army will help [06:15]
decimation no one is going to sue you unless you have assets to take [06:15]
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asciilifeform or simply need to 'have problems' [06:15]
asciilifeform everybody with an intact starfish has 'assets to take' [06:16]
decimation yeah those are 'shake-down' letters, most folks cave in exchange for immunity. newegg is famous for not caving: http://blog.newegg.com/patent-trolls-learn-mess-newegg/ [06:16]
decimation the worst thing about us patents is the impenetrable legalese in which they are written [06:17]
nubbins` an intact starfish! [06:27]
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decimation re: intact starfish: but not every penny is worth stooping to pick up. depends on circumstances, obviously. [06:28]
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ben_vulpes which is why you believe the burning man is good :) << never said that "burning man" was good [06:35]
ben_vulpes only a) it has robust tribes orbiting and b) lovely babes [06:35]
asciilifeform 'robust tribes' ? [06:36]
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ben_vulpes what would you call the thing that people agglomerate into in modern american culture in order to better thrive together than wilt under the radiation indidividually? [06:54]
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mircea_popescu tribes prolly worx [06:55]
ben_vulpes 's what im saying [06:55]
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ben_vulpes it's like figuring out where to go to lunch: "no. you vetoed tacos. that means you figure out where we're going. now." [06:56]
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mircea_popescu lol i find the best and most readily digested argument pro-slavery works out to "i say where we go eat. it takes all of thirty seconds. and if i say everyone gets lamb tikka masala, ordering takes thirty seconds too." [06:57]
mircea_popescu the mess hall being the principal argument pro-university in the classical period of universities too. [06:58]
mircea_popescu "Zapatillas Baratas" [07:00]
mircea_popescu i am now getting argentine spam on top of everything [07:00]
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BingoBoingo Incredibly lulzy https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/08/a-bitcoin-backbone/ [07:08]
assbot A Bitcoin Backbone | The Bitcoin Foundation [07:08]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo matt's backbone thing ? why ? [07:12]
BingoBoingo It didn't come from a typical muppet [07:15]
BingoBoingo Just really everything it isn't is amazing [07:16]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [07:16]
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mircea_popescu hm ? [07:23]
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mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/JulianMaroda/status/470406487370502144 [07:33]
assbot Wtf is this for an app add description!? Punish their women, I mean really? /hashtag/DragonvsGod?src=hash /hashtag/AppStore?src=hash /Kotaku http://t.co/Ut6mtZg016 [07:33]
mircea_popescu someone's gotta do it. [07:34]
asciilifeform 'what is best in life? to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, hear the lamentations of their women.' [07:35]
asciilifeform ^ probably referred to this [07:35]
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mircea_popescu prolly. chinese corp. [07:53]
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pete_dushenski o hello [07:59]
mircea_popescu hey [08:02]
pete_dushenski so this church dood is a piece o work eh [08:03]
pete_dushenski never heard of him prior [08:03]
mircea_popescu rule34 [08:05]
pete_dushenski ;;isitup trilema.com [08:06]
gribble Error: "isitup" is not a valid command. [08:06]
pete_dushenski ;;isitdown trilema.com [08:07]
gribble trilema.com is down [08:07]
pete_dushenski o ok [08:07]
mircea_popescu orly ? [08:07]
pete_dushenski rly [08:07]
pete_dushenski first they go for mpoe, then trilema, then… the salmon [08:08]
pete_dushenski this being war and all [08:08]
mircea_popescu yup server crapped out. [08:09]
pete_dushenski whoever it is has skillz the canadian armed farces can only dream of [08:09]
mircea_popescu will be back later. [08:09]
BingoBoingo !b 12 [08:12]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, the process through which girls become wives and us citizens usg informants. << and who precisely did the wives piss off? their fathers? [08:13]
mircea_popescu well no, the husband. [08:13]
pete_dushenski so how is the husband "the wrong person?" [08:16]
mircea_popescu lessee here [08:17]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: like the old u.s. army ad, 'be an army of one.' << i remember these well, wondered if they were effective.. [08:17]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski inasmuch as the married female has no rights and no recourse, pissing off her husband is pissing off the wrong guy. she quickly learns not to do that. [08:18]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski trilema back on. [08:19]
pete_dushenski *no* rights and *no* recourse? perhaps outside of north america. [08:19]
mircea_popescu outside of the very thin sliver of things that is north america 1980-2020ish. [08:20]
mircea_popescu and some other places and times, equally narrow to irrelevance. [08:20]
pete_dushenski lol fair enough [08:20]
pete_dushenski an historical aberration to be sure. [08:20]
pete_dushenski and even within this temporal vortex there are married women with wisdom [08:21]
mircea_popescu i'm making no value judgement here, merely using an example to illuminate a point. [08:22]
pete_dushenski understood. [08:23]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform:jailer turned the entire building on a pivot - with hand crank. << whoa [08:39]
pete_dushenski ;;google rotating prison 1800 [08:39]
gribble Modern Prison History - Drtomoconnor.com: ; The Rotating Prison in the Mountain - story cylinder allegory ...: ; Greatest Mathematicians born between 1700 and 1800 A.D.: [08:39]
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pete_dushenski til difference between pennsylvania prison system and auburn prison system [08:54]
pete_dushenski panopticon vs typical rows [08:54]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: mkay. so in th forest there lived this very horny, huge schlong bear. sort of like one eye pete of the beardom. << with all the petes littering b-a these days, i don't even know if i'm the one who gets to blush at this [09:09]
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pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: average impressions per day. << and here i was thinking that we were moving beyond that broken old quantification of clicks business [09:11]
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pete_dushenski http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/apr/12/news-is-bad-rolf-dobelli?CMP=twt_gu [09:17]
assbot News is bad for you and giving up reading it will make you happier | Media | The Guardian [09:17]
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pete_dushenski ;;later tell princessnell please to note: "Online news has an even worse impact. In a 2001 study two scholars in Canada showed that comprehension declines as the number of hyperlinks in a document increases." [09:18]
gribble The operation succeeded. [09:18]
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pete_dushenski "So terrorism is over-rated. Chronic stress is under-rated. The collapse of Lehman Brothers is overrated. Fiscal irresponsibility is under-rated. Astronauts are over-rated. Nurses are under-rated. We are not rational enough to be exposed to the press." [09:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38250 @ 0.00063997 = 24.4789 BTC [+] {2} [09:22]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.00063711 = 24.8473 BTC [-] {2} [10:06]
RagnarDanneskjol http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877050914009466 [10:27]
assbot A Tiny RSA Cryptosystem based on Arduino Microcontroller Useful for Small Scale Networks [10:27]
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RagnarDanneskjol http://grothoff.org/christian/gns2014wachs.pdf [10:32]
RagnarDanneskjol (A Censorship-Resistant, Privacy-Enhancing and Fully Decentralized Name System) - Gnu Name System [10:33]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 582 @ 0.00144989 = 0.8438 BTC [-] [10:42]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9346 @ 0.00063569 = 5.9412 BTC [-] [10:56]
mircea_popescu mthreat http://trilema.com/2014/ce-vi-chi/ [11:07]
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fluffypony that looks nom [11:16]
fluffypony I really hope Fat Fish has oysters today [11:16]
fluffypony I have a haircut at 12:30 and I feel like oysters for lunch [11:17]
BingoBoingo fluffypony You ever set up a mining pool before? [11:20]
fluffypony nope [11:20]
fluffypony just use NOMP, BingoBoingo [11:20]
fluffypony it's pretty easy to setup afaik [11:20]
RagnarDanneskjol not exactly that easy once you get into the weeds of it, but doable [11:21]
RagnarDanneskjol Bingo - you got my message re ixnay on the livechains, yes? [11:22]
BingoBoingo Yeah [11:22]
BingoBoingo ;;ident RagnarDanneskjol [11:22]
RagnarDanneskjol what is protocol for foot in mouth statements made in here - I can't neg rate cause he's not on WoT [11:22]
gribble Nick 'RagnarDanneskjol', with hostmask 'RagnarDanneskjol!~ragnardan@75-23-231-33.lightspeed.lgngca.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'RagnarDanneskjol', with GPG key id 35D2E1A0457E6498, key fingerprint B4AF6458D7D8A2846F91807935D2E1A0457E6498, and bitcoin address 14ixghmHMcB4szGL3ue5WJ1qnjnWnQXiP6 [11:22]
BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: It depends [11:24]
RagnarDanneskjol what would you do in this case? [11:24]
BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: Well since this inquiry was about getting a cheap pool and their sales pitch was for us to buy and ship them a metric fuckton of mining equiptment... Prolly just watch them until they collapse on their own [11:25]
RagnarDanneskjol kewl [11:26]
BingoBoingo Absolutely no information offered on pool pricing [11:26]
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RagnarDanneskjol He did over the phone - again, I used him in the past, no probs, but everything that came up online looked bad [11:27]
BingoBoingo !up dogless [11:27]
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penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/ce-vi-chi/ [11:28]
RagnarDanneskjol also used this one before - kind of a neat model: https://nicehash.com/ [11:29]
assbot NiceHash [11:29]
dogless hello. I am just crusing. through. I am driving. gotto go. [11:29]
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BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: Well, nicehash seems to just do hash rental [11:31]
RagnarDanneskjol oh yea, right. still need the pool [11:32]
BingoBoingo Hash is cheap and easy, verifiably honest pools are harder [11:34]
RagnarDanneskjol I'm gonna try to give it another shot this weekend. Last time i wound up pulling my hair out, but issues were all related to unusually fast homebrewcoin i was using [11:34]
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RagnarDanneskjol never tried to do a normal coin pool [11:35]
BingoBoingo %p [11:36]
atcbot [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.66 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 645.58 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.07 TH/s [11:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00063472 = 14.8524 BTC [-] {2} [11:37]
BingoBoingo Well X-Rob was talking about something. May just be the sort of situation where a person just has to get their hands dirty [11:37]
X-Rob BingoBoingo: wat [11:37]
X-Rob Oh right [11:38]
BingoBoingo X-Rob: A pool that can take hashpower more stably than that coinminer thing [11:38]
X-Rob Yeah. I'll set up a proper pool this weekend [11:38]
BingoBoingo Cool [11:38]
BingoBoingo Ideally similar uber transparent p2pool thing with a basic stats web page, just a lot like Coinminer but not shitty. [11:40]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.266586 = 6.6647 BTC [-] {5} [12:27]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.0217227 = 1.0861 BTC [-] [13:09]
chetty http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2730791/Are-STUPID-Britons-people-IQ-decline.html [13:19]
assbot Are we becoming more STUPID? IQ scores are decreasing | Mail Online [13:19]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/#b138 [13:19]
assbot BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD :: 75 B (9%) on Yes, 732.28 B (91%) on No | closing in 2 months 4 weeks | weight: 25`053 (100`000 to 1) [13:19]
mircea_popescu one of the larger bets. [13:19]
mircea_popescu chetty well, they not we. [13:20]
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chetty well they aren't talking about old folks, the next generations [13:27]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.0217227 = 1.0861 BTC [-] [13:30]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [13:35]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 507.25, Best ask: 507.61, Bid-ask spread: 0.36000, Last trade: 507.25, 24 hour volume: 13490.89957086, 24 hour low: 502.25, 24 hour high: 530.0, 24 hour vwap: 517.350073897 [13:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48450 @ 0.0006332 = 30.6785 BTC [-] {4} [13:52]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00062905 = 13.6504 BTC [-] [14:06]
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RagnarDanneskjol http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2014/08/22/1927472/plus500-as-a-model-citizen/ [14:47]
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