Forum logs for 21 Sep 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.69 = 1.38 BTC [-] [00:00]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P150T] 1 @ 0.2660675 BTC [-] [00:00]
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assbot [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-A] 6 @ 0.114 = 0.684 BTC [-] [00:06]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.12000431 = 2.4001 BTC [-] [00:06]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.1200043 = 3.6001 BTC [-] [00:07]
BTC-Mining Arf, I seem to be having problems with my connection. Somehow for every page load, my connection needs five seconds to start. Only then does it start loading the page. [00:09]
BTC-Mining According to my network monitor anyway and page load time [00:09]
BTC-Mining Maybe my wireless card is dying [00:09]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 46 @ 0.12 = 5.52 BTC [-] [00:10]
mircea_popescu maybe dns [00:12]
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BTC-Mining eh, no idea [00:14]
BTC-Mining But doesn't seem to want to be solved [00:14]
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Diablo-D3 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97269.msg1207063#msg1207063 [00:18]
Diablo-D3 well, that escalated quickly [00:18]
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mircea_popescu that needs larger fonts [00:21]
JWU_42_ heh [00:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00041263 = 9.6968 BTC [-] [00:26]
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BTC-Mining There's a thread where BFL admits? Don't remember which [00:29]
BTC-Mining That the person is part of the company [00:29]
BTC-Mining Except people will return all FPGAs + extra money for the ASIC upgrades... [00:31]
assbot [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [-] [00:34]
BTC-Mining He gets paid the FPGA price twice [00:34]
BTC-Mining Assuming there's a profit margin on it. [00:34]
BTC-Mining Already. [00:34]
BTC-Mining And you only get half off on trade ins so need to pay the FPGA price in full again to get your ASIC... [00:34]
BTC-Mining Probably, but remember that you might not get as many initial orders without proving yourself first. [00:35]
BTC-Mining It would actually be more lucrative to do it that way. Suppose you need 50$ to produce something, sell it 100$. You can run away with 100$ and not produce anything. Or offer an upgrade, get back the 50$ product, mine bitcoins with it. Keep the 50$ and ask for 100$ for an upgrade which doesn't exists. You now have a free FPGA mining farm +150$ + extra ASIC orders [00:38]
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BTC-Mining Scammers are not all take money and run away on first try... [00:39]
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mircea_popescu BTC-Mining sounds about right. [00:41]
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kakobrekla SCAMIOUS! [00:42]
kakobrekla jk [00:42]
kakobrekla ah sorry. [00:43]
assbot [GLBSE] [FDBF] 2 @ 0.15 = 0.3 BTC [+] [00:44]
kakobrekla they are semi scam because of their politics [00:45]
kakobrekla their 'rules' of the game [00:46]
kakobrekla same thing you are [00:46]
kakobrekla they run their biz like shit [00:47]
kakobrekla breaking promisses etc [00:47]
kakobrekla that politics [00:47]
kakobrekla that rules of the game [00:47]
kakobrekla and they fuckin sucks at it [00:47]
kakobrekla -s [00:47]
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assbot [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.55 = 1.1 BTC [-] [00:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00041263 = 6.7259 BTC [-] [00:53]
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assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.12 = 0.36 BTC [-] [00:56]
kuzetsa [17:48:17] yeah, well, that's why Bill Gates hires accountants, and financial advisors, and other business people :) [00:57]
kuzetsa indeed [00:57]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 5 @ 0.0981 = 0.4905 BTC [+] [00:57]
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assbot [GLBSE] [TEEK.USD] 4 @ 0.0777 = 0.3108 BTC [-] [01:05]
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nefario sure fire way to find a job [01:16]
nefario look at the obituaries [01:16]
nefario they always say where the guy worked [01:16]
nefario call them up and say "I hear you've got an opening" [01:16]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.0981 BTC [+] [01:18]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8120 @ 0.00025976 = 2.1093 BTC [-] [01:18]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8536 @ 0.0002591 = 2.2117 BTC [-] [01:18]
__Atlas__ lol [01:19]
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assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.0981 BTC [+] [01:37]
Diablo-D3 we need a "shit nefario says" [01:40]
nefario Diablo, did you see the wiki page about you? [01:44]
Obsi What would be a good way to handle a situation that calls for a motion, while keeping the details of that motion under wraps from the public at large? [01:44]
Diablo-D3 nefario: yes, I saw you trolling [01:45]
Diablo-D3 Obsi: you cant [01:45]
nefario I thought it was funny [01:45]
nefario Obsi: three people can keep a secret [01:45]
nefario if two of them are dead [01:45]
Diablo-D3 since the company would be, by definition, publicly owned, the public would know of the motion [01:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8718 @ 0.00041591 = 3.6259 BTC [+] [01:46]
nefario eh still doesn't work [01:46]
nefario the shareholders have to see details of what they're voting on [01:46]
nefario yeah [01:46]
nefario as Diablo-D3 said it's not really possible [01:47]
Obsi Could encrypt and provide password to shareholders I guess [01:47]
nefario unless you can get the shareholders to keep it to themselves [01:47]
nefario well yeah that works [01:47]
nefario as long as they don't share it [01:47]
Diablo-D3 except [01:47]
Diablo-D3 nefario refuses to release a list of shareholders [01:47]
Obsi Well it would be in their interests to keep it private [01:47]
nefario well [01:47]
Diablo-D3 Obsi: never trust shareholders to act in their own best interest, they wont [01:48]
Obsi Oh I know that [01:48]
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Diablo-D3 they will continually fuck themselves over as quickly and as hard as possible [01:48]
Obsi Maybe they just need love [01:48]
Diablo-D3 the universe invented a better idiot, and thats what we got. [01:48]
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BTC-Mining Looking for tasty assets to purchase. Anyone? [01:49]
Diablo-D3 Smoovious: thatsracist.gif [01:49]
BTC-Mining I got to keep spending the BTC [01:49]
Diablo-D3 unless you subscribe to the "martin luther king jr made it possible for not only black people to become president but white people to become niggers" theory, then yes, it is [01:50]
assbot [GLBSE] [SS] 1 @ 0.01999999 BTC [+] [01:50]
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kakobrekla lol [01:51]
kuzetsa indeed [01:51]
Diablo-D3 Smoovious: arent you in the US? [01:51]
Diablo-D3 dude, cops in some states taser you to death for having just pot [01:52]
Diablo-D3 hah good luck [01:52]
Diablo-D3 president fartbongo will stull arrest you for it [01:53]
kuzetsa Diablo-D3: president whowhat? [01:53]
Diablo-D3 Smoovious: cops in one state tasered a woman passed out due to diabetic shock because she refused to tell the cops her name [01:53]
Diablo-D3 kuzetsa: its what the republotrolls call obama [01:53]
kuzetsa ... and apparently you too? [01:53]
Diablo-D3 no, Im trolling Smoovious [01:53]
kuzetsa Diablo-D3: ok uhm... president obama "arrests" people. that's my other question I nearly asked, but since you were trolling nevermind [01:54]
dub Smoovious: I arrived home once to find 7 cop cars in my driveway [01:56]
dub considered running for a few seconds then walked in the door with my bags of groceries [01:57]
dub smiled to the cops tearing my shit apart 'sup gents' [01:57]
mircea_popescu what were they doing there ? [02:01]
Diablo-D3 and? [02:01]
BTC-Mining What was it for? You walked on grass in the park and there was a keep out sign? [02:01]
Obsi Was the start of a bukakke porno he was filiming [02:01]
dub and I got 6 months community service [02:01]
dub instead of the 14 year maximum [02:02]
Obsi did they take any of your shit? If so did you ever get it back? [02:02]
dub yes and no [02:02]
Diablo-D3 dub: what the fuck were they there for [02:02]
Diablo-D3 you missed that part [02:02]
dub they took ~50kg of marijuana [02:02]
dub (wet) [02:02]
Diablo-D3 >50kg [02:02]
Diablo-D3 oh wet [02:03]
Diablo-D3 I was like, they can charge you for intent to sell [02:03]
dub and no they didnt give it back [02:03]
Diablo-D3 and send you to high security prison [02:03]
Diablo-D3 forever [02:03]
dub they chraged me with selling and culitvation [02:03]
Obsi they should give it back... that's like... stealing man [02:03]
Diablo-D3 Obsi: woah [02:04]
OneMiner Wet = uncured? [02:04]
OneMiner Or basement was flooded? [02:05]
mircea_popescu you shoulda kicked them off your property. [02:05]
mircea_popescu dern kids. [02:05]
dub Smoovious: well there were several ounces dried and bagged up for sale.. [02:05]
OneMiner What tipped them off? Did it smell like you were raising skunks there? [02:06]
dub they don't need it [02:06]
kakobrekla you cant excuse 50kilos for personal Smoovious [02:06]
kakobrekla not even dub. [02:06]
kakobrekla yeah [02:07]
kakobrekla that what i used to thought. [02:07]
dub not here they dont [02:07]
kakobrekla yup [02:07]
OneMiner It's a legal precedent, can't do anything about it unless you happen to be on the supreme court. [02:07]
dub over a certain amount is assumed to be for supply [02:07]
kakobrekla exactly [02:07]
dub there was also the guy that showed up at the house to make a buy after they had taken me away [02:08]
dub :) [02:08]
OneMiner Meh, citizens can be killed without trial by careful application of lables. I gotta get into that biz. [02:08]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 47 @ 0.0981 = 4.6107 BTC [+] [02:09]
Diablo-D3 Smoovious: nope [02:09]
Diablo-D3 thats not the law [02:09]
Diablo-D3 the law only says the amount [02:09]
Diablo-D3 then run for congress [02:10]
Diablo-D3 you must be the change you want to see in the world [02:10]
kakobrekla he cant, he got busted. [02:10]
Diablo-D3 kakobrekla: that doesnt stop you [02:10]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.0981 BTC [+] [02:10]
Diablo-D3 bush jr almost died in a drunk driving accident while underage [02:10]
Diablo-D3 he became our president [02:10]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 15 @ 0.0981 = 1.4715 BTC [+] [02:11]
kakobrekla well as long as he didnt inhale.. [02:11]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.0981 = 0.1962 BTC [+] [02:12]
BTC-Mining Why did that Bush Jr. have to get 2 mandates for anyway... [02:12]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 7 @ 0.0981 = 0.6867 BTC [+] [02:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14716 @ 0.00041263 = 6.0723 BTC [-] [02:13]
OneMiner There's enough to call even that win into question. Ohio. [02:13]
OneMiner Also Florida. [02:13]
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BTC-Mining http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DYDNYhZDc8 [02:15]
BTC-Mining Old classic [02:15]
assbot [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.37 BTC [+] [02:15]
OneMiner I'm not in favor of any voting machine that dosen't give out a receipt. Paper trail FTW! [02:16]
BTC-Mining The machine could give you a fake paper receipt [02:17]
OneMiner PGP dat shiz. [02:18]
OneMiner Or whatever. [02:18]
OneMiner Wut? Time stamp it. [02:20]
OneMiner Ether that or do paper punch and I'll burn all the electronic machines myself. [02:20]
OneMiner What equiptment? A punch? [02:21]
OneMiner Oh, I just ment that without a paper trail the credibility (as shown in past elections) is zero. [02:21]
BTC-Mining Even with the paper trail... who says that's what gets counted on the other side? [02:22]
OneMiner Soooo... Ether we scrap the new machines or it's a thousand years of darkness! [02:22]
BTC-Mining Your receipt can't help you check for who your vote was coutned [02:22]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 6 @ 0.0981 = 0.5886 BTC [+] [02:22]
OneMiner Fine, now we have to do paper punch, hand counted, in a school gym or something. [02:23]
OneMiner That's fine too. [02:24]
OneMiner You know. I really love a lot about the US. But there's some things that just make me furious. Rigged elections and grey area assasinations are some things that boil my blood. [02:25]
OneMiner Smoovious naw, that's no good. Then Jo-Jo the circus freak Romney supporter can try to exact revenge. [02:26]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 137 @ 0.0981 = 13.4397 BTC [+] [02:26]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.0982 BTC [+] [02:26]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 50 @ 0.0983 = 4.915 BTC [+] [02:26]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.0984 = 0.1968 BTC [+] [02:26]
kuzetsa Smoovious: heh [02:27]
kuzetsa screw taht [02:27]
kuzetsa 1) I'm disabled [02:27]
kuzetsa 2) I'm a non-violent taoist [02:27]
* OneMiner throws kuzetsa at the enemy! [02:27]
kuzetsa 3) trololol ron paul!!! [02:27]
kuzetsa funny [02:28]
kuzetsa just hate how that works [02:29]
OneMiner Also seperation of church and state. When someone gets that wrong I'm like *facepalm* all damn day. It's pretty much the best idea ever, and there are those who oppose it..... [02:29]
kuzetsa OneMiner: huh? [02:29]
OneMiner kuzetsa just something that makes me angry. [02:29]
OneMiner Lot's of anger in politics, if you are not red in the face and spitting... You're doing it wrong. [02:30]
kuzetsa http://www.dsausa.org/pdf/widemsoc.pdf -- people who don't know what socialism is, and then use it as some sort of insult. [02:30]
kuzetsa THAT makes me angry [02:30]
kuzetsa socialism isn't bad! [02:30]
OneMiner I agree. [02:30]
* OneMiner sends them all dictionaries [02:31]
OneMiner Smoovious hu? Who is being opressed? [02:32]
OneMiner Damn english, oppressed. [02:32]
OneMiner If someone can't practice their religion, that's oppression. Is that what you were saying? I don't follow. [02:33]
* OneMiner reads again [02:33]
OneMiner Gov't = religion? [02:33]
OneMiner Oh ya lol [02:33]
OneMiner So we agree. Seperation of church and state is the best ever. [02:34]
kuzetsa my religion involves killing republicans and stealing all their money to use for reconstruction during the aftermath of my riteous dumbpocolypse [02:34]
OneMiner You know, in Canada the catholic school board gets special gov't moneys. They have shot themselves in the foot. Soon Canadians will be shelling out for pastafarians and they will have gotten what they deserved for funding the catholics with public money in the first place. [02:35]
__Atlas__ Ooo, politics. [02:36]
kuzetsa nah [02:36]
OneMiner No access to any special groups. I go further in saying that religions should NOT be tax exempt in any way. [02:36]
kuzetsa we're just trolling at each other [02:36]
kuzetsa none of us know anything about politics [02:36]
OneMiner Yes, this is pure venting. [02:36]
assbot [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 6 @ 0.50000001 = 3 BTC [+] [02:36]
assbot [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 10 @ 0.5 = 5 BTC [-] [02:36]
assbot [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 3 @ 0.46 = 1.38 BTC [-] [02:36]
dub religion should be outlawed [02:36]
assbot [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 10 @ 0.455 = 4.55 BTC [-] [02:36]
assbot [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 4 @ 0.451 = 1.804 BTC [-] [02:36]
assbot [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 10 @ 0.45 = 4.5 BTC [-] [02:36]
assbot [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 10 @ 0.44 = 4.4 BTC [-] [02:36]
assbot [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 9 @ 0.431 = 3.879 BTC [-] [02:36]
assbot [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 10 @ 0.43 = 4.3 BTC [-] [02:36]
assbot [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 10 @ 0.42 = 4.2 BTC [-] [02:36]
assbot [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 8 @ 0.41 = 3.28 BTC [-] [02:36]
OneMiner Religion must be driven from every corner of the gov't. It would be most excelent of us to take god off of the money (as Romney fears apparently). [02:37]
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OneMiner Seriously... Does the christian god care if he is on the money? [02:39]
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OneMiner Smoovious don't worry. It's the last of the old dumb people. When they die, it's all roses and backrubs from then on. [02:40]
OneMiner Also, I demand that a plate of pasta be stamped into the next coins they mint! It's that or it's discrimination! [02:42]
OneMiner I had some right wing (they listen to Rush, yes that far right) folks who I had known my entire life say, "Yes, our marriage will be affected" but then they couldn't say one more word on HOW. Also they think CFL lightbulbs are a conspiracy and probably a ponzi. [02:44]
dub woah [02:44]
OneMiner Not a joke. I'm very sad to say I'm serious. [02:44]
OneMiner Not the ponzi part, that's a joke. The conspiracy one is serious. [02:45]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.0984 = 0.1968 BTC [+] [02:46]
OneMiner Friend is here. I'm out. Lates o/ [02:47]
dub wat [02:47]
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OneMiner I gotta take this one. [02:48]
OneMiner the mercury is less than if you burned coal. Mercury is released into the air from coal power. Also radiation in greater quantities than you get from all the nuclear disasters around the world. [02:49]
OneMiner sry gotta run. PM me if you'd like to say anything! [02:50]
Obsi LEDs sucked when cfls finally got decent [02:50]
Obsi LEDs are the next step [02:50]
assbot [GLBSE] [CPA] 3 @ 0.0997 = 0.2991 BTC [-] [02:51]
Obsi there wasn't years ago [02:51]
Obsi yeah that kickstarter for the wifi LEDs looked pretty sweet [02:51]
Obsi shit internet time messes with my real time sense... 6-8 maybe? [02:52]
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assbot [GLBSE] [BITCOINMINV] 2 @ 0.12499999 = 0.25 BTC [-] [02:53]
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Obsi fucking blue LEDs on tech [02:54]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.09809999 BTC [-] [02:54]
Obsi bedroom looks like a disco [02:55]
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assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7900 @ 0.00025766 = 2.0355 BTC [-] [08:21]
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BTC-Mining Wait, how would that work usagi? [09:10]
BTC-Mining Aye [09:10]
BTC-Mining Alright [09:14]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 5 @ 0.0982 = 0.491 BTC [-] [09:15]
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Diablo-D3 yabif? whos that [09:15]
BTC-Mining It's a fund on GLBSE [09:16]
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Diablo-D3 Ive never heard of it [09:20]
Diablo-D3 usagi: btw, you never told matthew off in the dmc thread [09:21]
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DeaDTerra1 morning [10:20]
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Chaang-Noi so bfl is run by fraudsters lol [11:54]
Diablo-D3 Chaang-Noi: do you know how NOT news this was? [11:55]
Diablo-D3 I "broke" this news like a billion months ago [11:55]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 49 @ 0.098 = 4.802 BTC [-] [12:13]
Chaang-Noi https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=111837.0 [12:13]
Chaang-Noi feedback wnated, thanks [12:13]
midnightmagic The price of food will not necessarily go up. [12:19]
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Diablo-D3 midnightmagic: it will [12:20]
Diablo-D3 people always panic [12:20]
Diablo-D3 the government drives them to do so [12:20]
Diablo-D3 people are sheep [12:20]
Diablo-D3 sheep need to eat. [12:20]
midnightmagic And BFL is NOT run by "fraudsters". One guy may be a fraudster. [12:20]
Diablo-D3 one guy that OWNS AND RUNS THE ENTIRE THING [12:20]
midnightmagic And the other 21 people? [12:20]
Diablo-D3 hoping they were paid up front [12:21]
midnightmagic And have they not delivered in a creative way on promises that a good number of people said were impossible in the past? [12:21]
Diablo-D3 only if creative == less than promised [12:22]
Chaang-Noi midnightmagic i think food will go up in price but no it is not a fact [12:22]
midnightmagic Even with the fewer MH/s, the numbers were still considered impossible. It remained a mystery until ngzhang reversed it at the hardware level. [12:22]
Diablo-D3 erm [12:23]
Diablo-D3 midnightmagic: all ngzhang did was copy asicminer's plan [12:23]
midnightmagic .. no, he reattached the fuse on the BFL single and identified the chip they were using. [12:23]
Diablo-D3 oh, you mean the fpga [12:24]
midnightmagic Yes. [12:24]
Diablo-D3 you do know hes doing his own asics now, right? [12:24]
midnightmagic Yes, of course I do. [12:24]
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midnightmagic ngzhang, regardless of whether he's "copying" someone's business plan, has delivered more reliably, and more openly I might add, than anyone building mining hardware put together. [12:25]
Diablo-D3 not copying a business plan [12:25]
Diablo-D3 copying the whole thing [12:25]
Diablo-D3 hes even fabbing them at the same company on the same process [12:25]
Diablo-D3 though, hilarious part, I would have gone the same path [12:26]
midnightmagic Who says this? [12:26]
Diablo-D3 erm, I say this? [12:26]
midnightmagic And did you pull this out of thin air? How do you know this? [12:26]
Diablo-D3 they're both fabbing at SMIC on 130nm using SMIC IP cores [12:26]
midnightmagic Did either one of them design the logic itself? [12:27]
Diablo-D3 nope [12:27]
Diablo-D3 they put together the masks, but they're using SMIC's existing IP [12:27]
Diablo-D3 all they did was spam them on the mask [12:27]
midnightmagic How do you know this is what ngzhang is doing? [12:28]
Diablo-D3 because he said it in his damned thread? [12:28]
midnightmagic I don't see where ngzhang said he's using SMIC IP. [12:29]
midnightmagic You're speculating aren't you? [12:30]
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Diablo-D3 its why you use smic [12:31]
Diablo-D3 quite a few fabs may have IP libraries, smic is the cheapest [12:31]
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midnightmagic You're speculating. Are you also speculating for ASICMINER or do you know something more than was posted in their totally unhelpful "yes we're going to use our customers own money to compete against them" thread? [12:32]
midnightmagic "And we're even going to try to do it secretly." [12:33]
Diablo-D3 midnightmagic: you cant troll me no matter how hard you try [12:34]
Diablo-D3 and why are you so pissed off anyhow [12:34]
Diablo-D3 did your jimmies get rustled over the fact I know more than you do? [12:34]
midnightmagic ... [12:36]
midnightmagic Say he did "copy" even the design of the asicminer, as you are implying. Why wouldn't I prefer to put my money with ngzhang when asicminer is going to mine against their own device customers, with the money their customers use to buy their devices? [12:37]
midnightmagic Also, I'm not trolling you. Either you know something you aren't telling, or you don't. Either way it doesn't change what I'm going to do: all it changes is you're pretending to know something that's impossible to verify (show me da unicorn) or not. [12:39]
midnightmagic The conflict appears to be arising because you seem to have backed an anticompetitive horse and I think they're going to get stomped by the bitcoin devs. [12:40]
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Diablo-D3 midnightmagic: huh? [12:42]
midnightmagic I'd also like to point out that I'm one of the very few people who doesn't think you tried to do something naughty with usagi and that nefario freezing your shares was a dick move. [12:43]
Diablo-D3 I think you're confused about how asicminer is operating [12:43]
Diablo-D3 they're going to mine with early units to repay investors and sell the rest [12:43]
midnightmagic No, they're contemplating mining past that and growing their personal mining farm to 50TH. Or, at the very least, they're not going to suddenly stop mining with their 12TH, which reduces the value of the asic devices they sell. [12:44]
Diablo-D3 midnightmagic: I dont think they're going to maintain a perm farm [12:45]
midnightmagic That's competing with their own customers, using the profits from customers buying their devices to power their devices, and likely grow their personal mining farm totally in secret. [12:45]
midnightmagic They don't even see what's wrong with that. [12:45]
midnightmagic friedcat appears to be totally oblivious. [12:45]
Diablo-D3 I dont see whats wrong with that strictly [12:46]
Diablo-D3 its no different than if friedcat bought them for himself and mined to himself [12:46]
midnightmagic I'm failing to see how that is a counter-example to my point. [12:47]
Diablo-D3 so... hes... not allowed to buy his own product? [12:47]
midnightmagic I am not acknowledging its correctness, I'm saying it's irrelevant whether that is true or not. [12:48]
Diablo-D3 its not irrelevant [12:49]
Diablo-D3 that farm that they're building is for shareholder use. [12:49]
midnightmagic The devices they are selling are for customer use. If they are mining, the devices are worth less. [12:50]
Diablo-D3 if _anyone_ is mining, the devices are worth less [12:50]
Diablo-D3 period [12:50]
Diablo-D3 thats what mining is [12:50]
midnightmagic Yes, exactly. [12:50]
Diablo-D3 so your entire argument is vastly moot [12:50]
Diablo-D3 you cant just grab asicminer for mining on behalf of shareholders [12:50]
midnightmagic No, it means asicminer's non-device-selling activities are destroying the maximum potential value of their own devices, AND they're in a conflict of interest because they're competing directly with them for a slice of the available btc pie. [12:51]
midnightmagic *using* their own customers money against then thereby. [12:51]
Diablo-D3 no [12:51]
Diablo-D3 they're using their own SHAREHOLDERS money against them [12:52]
Diablo-D3 this isnt like bfl [12:52]
Diablo-D3 asicminer shares own the company [12:52]
Diablo-D3 bfl preorders do not [12:52]
midnightmagic And friedcat owns.. what percentage? [12:52]
Diablo-D3 asicminer has accepted _no_ preorders [12:52]
Diablo-D3 there are zero customers [12:52]
Diablo-D3 so _what_ customer money? [12:52]
midnightmagic And it's irrelevant that the shareholders are the ones financing the practice, that doesn't change a thing. [12:52]
Diablo-D3 and friedcat owns like 15 or 20% or some shit like that [12:52]
mircea_popescu how you figure ? [12:52]
Diablo-D3 midnightmagic: erm, Im paying friedcat to mine for me [12:53]
midnightmagic Are they going to sell any devices? [12:53]
Diablo-D3 are you saying he shouldnt mine for me? [12:53]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic that's their problem ? [12:53]
midnightmagic Or are you trying to tell me it's really just a glorified mining contract? [12:53]
Diablo-D3 I paid him to do it [12:53]
mircea_popescu if i use a car i can't sell it anymore ? [12:53]
Diablo-D3 midnightmagic: its a glorified mining contract that sells hardware. [12:53]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: .. there's only so many bitcoins released every 10 minutes. [12:53]
mircea_popescu so ? [12:53]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: The owners owning cars is a false analogy. [12:53]
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mircea_popescu a company is entitled to make an item, use it, sell it, whatever they want. [12:53]
mircea_popescu why not ? [12:53]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: so you dont get the argument either? [12:53]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 can't say that i do. if they took preorder money and financed from that then yes [12:54]
Diablo-D3 shareholders are NOT entitled to buy the hardware [12:54]
mircea_popescu but on shareholder money... why can't they do what they please ? [12:54]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: Look at it from the customers' perspective. Why the hell would I buy a mining tool from the same company who's already staked the choicest claim and mined it for all it's worth? [12:54]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic :"customer" is not a party to this discussion [12:54]
mircea_popescu fuckall cares what an uninvolved third party likes or not [12:54]
midnightmagic It is ENTIRELY a party to this discussion, because that's the genesis of my objection! [12:54]
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Diablo-D3 midnightmagic: THERE ARE NO CUSTOMERS YET [12:55]
mircea_popescu exactly. [12:55]
mircea_popescu what customer ? [12:55]
Diablo-D3 NO ONE HAS BOUGHT ANY, NO MONEY HAS EXCHANGED HANDS [12:55]
mircea_popescu simmer down eh [12:55]
midnightmagic Diablo-D3: Why would I support a business which intends to compete directly against other miners? [12:55]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic for a profit [12:55]
midnightmagic Diablo-D3: It's in their business plan. [12:55]
Diablo-D3 midnightmagic: THEN BFL, BASIC, AND EVEN AMD IS BAD [12:55]
mircea_popescu just like any other business i support. [12:55]
Diablo-D3 _AMD_ IS BAD [12:55]
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Diablo-D3 THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE GPUS [12:55]
Diablo-D3 AMD COMPETES WITH MINING BECAUSE THEY SELL GPUS THAT CAN BE MINED ON [12:55]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: AS A SHAREHOLDER. Not as a customer buying their devices. In other words, they're cannibalizing their future earnings selling devices by doing the dick move of mining for themselves. [12:56]
Diablo-D3 DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW STUPID THAT SOUNDS [12:56]
* midnightmagic sighs. [12:56]
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midnightmagic Neither of you know what you're talking about. [12:56]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic so basically you'd prefer they sold the items rather than mine with them/ this is fine. make them an offer [12:56]
mircea_popescu im sure if you pay enough you could get the devices earlier. [12:56]
mircea_popescu if they don't accept the offer that's still fine, obviously you didn't offer enough. [12:56]
midnightmagic Why would I? I'll send my money to people who don't cannibalize their customers' potential profit. [12:56]
midnightmagic And show absolutely zero ability to grasp even the notion of what that means. [12:57]
mircea_popescu ... [12:57]
mircea_popescu by this logic anyone making asics is guilty [12:57]
midnightmagic No. [12:57]
mircea_popescu of "cannibalizing" the profits of gpu miners [12:57]
Diablo-D3 midnightmagic: but um [12:57]
Diablo-D3 if ANYONE mines with asics [12:57]
mircea_popescu there's no ownership of future mined bitcoins [12:57]
Diablo-D3 it screws anyone who buys asics [12:57]
Diablo-D3 thats what mining is [12:57]
mircea_popescu they belong to he who gets them, is all. [12:57]
midnightmagic That's totally, totally irrelevant. [12:57]
mircea_popescu hm. [12:57]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1200 @ 0.000301 = 0.3612 BTC [+] [12:58]
Diablo-D3 so _anyone_ who adds more hardware to the network is guilty of fucking miners [12:58]
midnightmagic What goes on lsewhere is irrelevant. [12:58]
Diablo-D3 midnightmagic: you cant have your cake and eat it too [12:58]
Diablo-D3 either we blame anyone _adding_ hardware, no matter if they manufactured it or not, to the network [12:58]
midnightmagic You make a device, if you didn't mine 12TH and then 50TH, it would have made x more profit. If you DO mine, with your customers' own money (which is in their business plan) you are reducing the value of those devices. [12:58]
midnightmagic It's really quite simple. [12:58]
Diablo-D3 midnightmagic: yes, but that also goes on even if you buy from basic or deepbit [12:59]
midnightmagic No, because it is in the customers' best interest to buy OTHER PEOPLES' asics. [12:59]
midnightmagic to starve them out as much as possible so they aren't able to mine as effectively. [12:59]
Diablo-D3 asicminer will mine no matter who you send your money to [12:59]
Diablo-D3 lol mine as effectively? [12:59]
midnightmagic But they'll mine less if nobody ever buys their devices. [12:59]
Diablo-D3 the first x units belong to shareholders period [12:59]
Chaang-Noi im on a boat! [12:59]
Diablo-D3 midnightmagic: wrong [13:00]
Diablo-D3 if NO ONE buys them [13:00]
midnightmagic In other words, customers *should* if they were smart, be forcing them into a purely self-mining contract. [13:00]
Diablo-D3 then it all becomes shareholder owned eventually [13:00]
midnightmagic And at that point, doing their best to ensure tha the bitcoin devs stomp them. [13:00]
Diablo-D3 and they are still all online [13:00]
Diablo-D3 lol bitcoin devs [13:00]
Diablo-D3 then basic and deepbit are also fucked [13:00]
midnightmagic Which given that most people don't grasp the nature of how anticompetitive what they're planning on doing is, is far more likely to happen. [13:00]
Diablo-D3 plus anyone on gpu mining since you wont have me to write a new kernel [13:00]
midnightmagic No, WRONG. [13:00]
midnightmagic And wrong again. [13:01]
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Diablo-D3 plus, half the network will ignore you [13:01]
midnightmagic You're thinking in terms of miners. [13:01]
Diablo-D3 THATS THE WHOLE FUCKING GODDAMNED NETWORK [13:01]
midnightmagic Whose software do you think the users are going to use? [13:01]
midnightmagic The asicminer conglomerates? [13:02]
midnightmagic Keep dreaming. [13:02]
Diablo-D3 if I write my own bitcoin client? mine. [13:02]
midnightmagic Every vendor was told, as Luke-Jr said, to put a small additional secret piece of logic into their asics. [13:02]
Chaang-Noi midnightmagic or you talking with D3? if so give up :) [13:02]
midnightmagic And keep it secret. [13:02]
Chaang-Noi or = are [13:02]
midnightmagic Chaang-Noi: I will in a moment, I'm in pacific time. [13:03]
Chaang-Noi you want win, it is like talking to a rock [13:04]
midnightmagic And if those vendors end up just being one giant self-mining masturbation circlejerk? [13:04]
Chaang-Noi cant* [13:04]
midnightmagic bitcoin devs change the hashing algo. [13:04]
midnightmagic And every repsonsible asic device can now mine its own type of block. [13:04]
midnightmagic And everyone accepts them. [13:04]
midnightmagic And the naughty conglomerate that went overboard into a super fancy mining contract because they discovered nobody's willing to buy their device and fund competition against themselves? They go away and lots of paperweights mine on a scamcoin altchain. [13:05]
Diablo-D3 _lol_ [13:06]
Diablo-D3 wow [13:06]
midnightmagic Hey don't hate the playa, hate the game. [13:06]
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Azelphur I imagine if bitcoin changed algo it'd probably be the fastest way to kill the network, so your point is moot [13:07]
Diablo-D3 but the devs have already stated they will not change the algo [13:07]
Azelphur indeed [13:07]
midnightmagic Diablo-D3: Then what's Luke saying in the asicminer thread? [13:07]
Diablo-D3 I dont know, Ive already asked theymos to ban him until he stops trolling [13:07]
Diablo-D3 infact I unsubscribed from the asicminer thread due to all the trolling [13:07]
midnightmagic Yeah right. A hardfork later and every user who listens to Gavin when he says "Hey these guys can now attack the network, upgrade now to avoid it," makes the old fork die. [13:08]
Diablo-D3 and why do you think I wanted DMC to have substantial hashpower from multiple manufs? [13:08]
Diablo-D3 stops 51% attacks dead [13:09]
midnightmagic Here I'll quote: "That is not necessarily true. ASIC vendors are advised to implement an alternative algorithm they can switch to in case of emergency like this. If the community felt it necessary to block out ASICMINER (or some other hostile ASIC hoarder), the other ASIC vendors would then publish their secret alternative algorithms, and Bitcoin could be made to support those." [13:10]
midnightmagic "That is not necessarily true. ASIC vendors are advised to implement an alternative algorithm they can switch to in case of emergency like this. If the community felt it necessary to block out ASICMINER (or some other hostile ASIC hoarder), the other ASIC vendors would then publish their secret alternative algorithms, and Bitcoin could be made to support those." [13:10]
midnightmagic err.. [13:10]
midnightmagic "That is not necessarily true. ASIC vendors are advised to implement an alternative algorithm they can switch to in case of emergency like this. If the community felt it necessary to block out ASICMINER (or some other hostile ASIC hoarder), the other ASIC vendors would then publish their secret alternative algorithms, and Bitcoin could be made to support those." [13:10]
midnightmagic wtf! [13:11]
midnightmagic "Edit: There is no single "secret alternative algorithm" being issued/given to ASIC vendors. They are all expected to come up with their own and not share it outside the company except in an emergency." [13:11]
midnightmagic there [13:11]
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midnightmagic What that means is simple: 5 ASIC vendors = 5 secret algos. asic vendor misbehaves? hash algo switches to support the other 4 (who are now building individually different blocks) and #5 == paperweight. [13:12]
midnightmagic Assuming what Luke says, is true. [13:13]
Diablo-D3 yeah luke is out of his mind [13:14]
Luceo They assume a hostile ASIC hoarder will necessarily be a manufacturer/ [13:15]
Diablo-D3 yeah [13:15]
midnightmagic No, it works for anyone. [13:15]
Diablo-D3 or hell [13:15]
midnightmagic And everyone who doesn't do it, gets screwed when they're discovered. [13:15]
Diablo-D3 it assumes the hostile is public [13:15]
Diablo-D3 I could very well run my own asics in china [13:15]
Diablo-D3 get about 100th assembled [13:15]
Diablo-D3 and then just switch it on [13:15]
midnightmagic No, because GPU + fpga + cpu + 5 asic vendors can all adapt. [13:15]
Diablo-D3 you cant even tell its one miner [13:16]
Luceo The most likely hostile asic horders / 51% attackers will not be companie which rely on Bitcoin being successful to make money [13:16]
midnightmagic you haven't read the papers. yeah, the network can. [13:16]
Diablo-D3 nope, the network cannot [13:16]
Luceo no it cant [13:16]
midnightmagic in fact, yeah, it can. it doesn't even take very many listening posts to do it. [13:16]
midnightmagic esp. if someone runs a crawler or a dns seed. [13:17]
Luceo Run 100 bitcoinds on VPS around the world, mine to them [13:17]
Diablo-D3 and what happens when I use tor and segregate my bitcoinds to different parts of the network? [13:17]
Luceo Here we have 100 miners each controlling 0.5% of the network [13:17]
midnightmagic you're not listening. the entire network can be mapped out and all mining hashrate identified. neither of you have read the academic papers describing how to do this or you wouldn't be arguing with me. [13:18]
midnightmagic Still, it doesn't matter, all it takes is a suspicion, or an attempt to make use of the >50%. [13:19]
Diablo-D3 okay so, I have a bunch of nodes that seem like they're coming from different continents, and none of them connect to the same peers by collusion [13:19]
Diablo-D3 and then they mine on each others blocks when the opportunity arises [13:19]
midnightmagic In fact, I'm pretty sure someone recently already has gotten >50%. But if they play nice and don't screw with the network trust, then it doesn't matter does it? [13:20]
Diablo-D3 so how, pray tell, can you tell? [13:20]
midnightmagic And if they do? It changes, everybody adapts, and laugh when we discover all the special asic out there have become useless and the network contracts by X TH [13:20]
Luceo k so what if I run 3 different brands of ASIC? [13:20]
Diablo-D3 yeah, what happens if I run all the brands of asic PLUS gpus and fpgas? [13:20]
midnightmagic Luceo: You're missing my point. Right now, they only mine if they mine using the current hash algo. [13:21]
Diablo-D3 midnightmagic: go have gmaxwell and sipa explain to you why you're wrong [13:21]
midnightmagic Luceo: If you've amassed all the different asic so you only take a 1/3 hit, your ability to attack is lessened. [13:21]
Luceo But the total network outside my control takes a severe hit too [13:22]
midnightmagic Diablo-D3: lol you know I'm right. We both know I'm right. [13:22]
midnightmagic Luceo: You're just talking about a normal 50% attack now. [13:22]
Luceo So the target to attack is lessened [13:22]
Diablo-D3 no, I know Im right [13:22]
midnightmagic Diablo-D3: If you think you're right, give your head a shake. It's trivial to do. It takes about 3 months to upgrade 95%, and that's just for a non-impact lame-o ddos fix with no known sightings in the wild. [13:23]
Diablo-D3 okay so [13:23]
Diablo-D3 you're saying [13:23]
Diablo-D3 you kill an asic manuf [13:23]
Diablo-D3 what happens when I have every hardware made [13:23]
Diablo-D3 you crippled the network as much as you cripple me [13:23]
midnightmagic Then you have just accomplished a 50% attack. [13:23]
midnightmagic Good for you. [13:23]
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midnightmagic Have a gold star. [13:24]
midnightmagic But if one asic manufacturer is being antisocial? [13:24]
Diablo-D3 not only is it good for me, it means I trivially destroyed your attack against me [13:24]
midnightmagic Stomp. [13:24]
midnightmagic If you're an end-customer, you pay most of the full retail price. [13:24]
midnightmagic That's a normal 50% attack. [13:25]
midnightmagic If you're an asic that just tok everyone's money publically to attack the network? [13:25]
midnightmagic Stomp. [13:25]
midnightmagic (Because a second run costs $2/chip or whatever it is?) [13:25]
midnightmagic Stompy-stomp. [13:25]
Luceo I think that ASIC manufacturer would be more likely to sell slashed price chips than attack the network [13:26]
midnightmagic Do they sell to just one customer? If yes, detectably, stomp. If no, great, everyone benefits. [13:26]
Diablo-D3 lol [13:27]
Diablo-D3 and what happens if I just have a million fpgas? [13:27]
Diablo-D3 anything you can do, I can do better [13:27]
Luceo Even if you sell to one customer [13:27]
Luceo It's unlikely to be 50% hash power [13:27]
Luceo in one run [13:27]
midnightmagic Good for you, you just wasted a whole pile of money and did a 50% attack that requires an order of magnitude more money than the asic users spent. [13:28]
Luceo The ASIC company does not benefit from enabling a 51% attack [13:28]
Luceo If you sell cars, and I offer to pay you to help me break the road system, you're not going to join in [13:28]
midnightmagic False analogy. I detect the beginning of the moebius strip. Bedtime for me, Diablo-D3 I wish you a good night, sincerely. Sell your asicminer shares, buy ngzhang hardware. [13:29]
Diablo-D3 I already sold those shares for 2x abmo like a month ago [13:30]
midnightmagic Oh! Wait, then what do you care whether asicminer falls on its ass? lol [13:30]
midnightmagic In fact, if you mine, you should be hoping for that. [13:30]
Diablo-D3 I dont care [13:31]
Diablo-D3 I just expect realistic arguments from people [13:31]
midnightmagic My two main arguments are: 1) asicminer if they continue to mine after they start selling hardware, are cannibalizing their own devices' worth. 2) asic vendors can be stomped if Luke-Jr is correct. [13:32]
midnightmagic Those are both sound arguments. And it's really bedtime for me. Good night D3. [13:32]
mircea_popescu And at that point, doing their best to ensure tha the bitcoin devs stomp them. << bitcoin devs are not some sort of authority. [13:38]
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mircea_popescu it boggles me that anyone would think differently. [13:40]
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Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: yeah [13:42]
mircea_popescu as if anyone gives two rats asses what they "think [13:42]
mircea_popescu they contribute useful shit for free on their own time/expesne ? [13:42]
mircea_popescu great. everyone's using it. [13:42]
mircea_popescu the want as much as fiddy cents ? take a hike, there's fiddy billion people who can code. [13:42]
Diablo-D3 >50 billion [13:43]
Diablo-D3 >on planet of 7 billion [13:43]
mircea_popescu exactly. [13:43]
Diablo-D3 Im not saying its aliens, but its aliens [13:43]
mircea_popescu "everybody and their dog" where everybody has more than one dog. [13:44]
Diablo-D3 still, the average person would need 6.14 dogs [13:45]
mircea_popescu almost two pie. [13:45]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g7WjrvG1GMk << the hero pig [13:48]
mircea_popescu saves a goat from boating accident [13:48]
Diablo-D3 1 hour and 26 minutes until black mesa is downloaded [13:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00038575 = 8.3708 BTC [-] [13:53]
Diablo-D3 yes [13:56]
Diablo-D3 they finally finished it [13:56]
Diablo-D3 black mesa is a fan remake of half life 1 [13:57]
Diablo-D3 uses source engine, looks about as good as portal 2 does [13:57]
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Diablo-D3 EskimoBob: you do realize video games are a billion dollar market, right? [13:59]
Diablo-D3 and half-life is one of the highest grossing PC games ever [14:00]
Diablo-D3 its sequel, half life 2, IS the most highest grossing PC game ever [14:01]
Chaang-Noi by btc, then watch it lose 60 cents, lol [14:03]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [14:06]
gribble Best bid: 12.011, Best ask: 12.0499, Bid-ask spread: 0.03890, Last trade: 12.011, 24 hour volume: 39823, 24 hour low: 12.011, 24 hour high: 12.57001 [14:06]
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Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: I have found an image that best describes what I feel right now: http://imgur.com/gallery/ZphAO [14:33]
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mircea_popescu lol this in reference to the asicminer thinfg ? [14:48]
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Luke-Jr midnightmagic: if I'm correct? huh? [15:06]
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Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: yes [15:20]
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DeaDTerra1 is GLBSE slow for everyone or just me? [15:42]
kakobreklaa its always slow [15:42]
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kakobreklaa or not working. [15:42]
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Chaang-Noi https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=111837.0 [15:45]
Chaang-Noi feedback wnated, thanks [15:45]
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Chaang-Noi not everyone at once:) [16:00]
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Chaang-Noi Hi Smoovious [16:32]
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Chaang-Noi I think it is more or less going to be 5 to 6% [16:32]
Chaang-Noi it seems that i can but land for 50,000 baht, get 7,000 to 8,000 baht worth of right and then get to keep 40% to 50% of that [16:33]
Chaang-Noi land maybe at 40,000 too [16:33]
Chaang-Noi yes, you will be betting on land and rice going up in value [16:33]
Chaang-Noi ASEAN is about to open up in 2015 and well land should go way up [16:33]
Chaang-Noi but yeah, its not a get rich quick thing [16:34]
Chaang-Noi :) i have been looking for a way to get into land and food for a long time now [16:34]
Chaang-Noi this is great cuz i can work the land with out working it [16:34]
Chaang-Noi https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=111837.0 [16:35]
Chaang-Noi please post why you think that here.... [16:35]
Chaang-Noi yeah [16:35]
copumpkin Chaang-Noi: you wishing pirate a happy birthday!??! [16:35]
Chaang-Noi lol :) [16:35]
Chaang-Noi im not copumpkin but thanks for the reminder, hehe [16:35]
Chaang-Noi land and rice are real things... [16:36]
Chaang-Noi it is something i will be doing [16:36]
Chaang-Noi im seeing if anyone wants to join me, if they dont thats cool. im still doing it for sure [16:36]
Chaang-Noi yes please post about the issues in the thread so we can debate them [16:36]
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Chaang-Noi they have lawys here too usagi [16:37]
Chaang-Noi how do you enforce land claims in china or england? [16:37]
Chaang-Noi its a title [16:38]
Chaang-Noi yes if there is a second comunist revolution we will be fucked [16:38]
Chaang-Noi yeah i or my wifes family will live there [16:39]
Chaang-Noi if its small scale just let my wives family manage it [16:39]
Chaang-Noi its sharecropping if you did not read the thread... [16:39]
Chaang-Noi anyway im doing it. if there is enough interest i will list it on glbse, if there is huge interest ill just make it into a real corporation [16:40]
Chaang-Noi i think both land and food (rice) will be going up invalue so im buying in [16:40]
Chaang-Noi and doing so in a place were labour is almost free [16:41]
Chaang-Noi 50% of the rice... we dont pay for anything jsut the land... [16:41]
Chaang-Noi no its not 1% a day but it is a real asset that is paying dividends while going up in value... [16:41]
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mircea_popescu so let me get this straight, you take bitcoins, buy land [16:46]
mircea_popescu in 2 years maybe land doubled in value [16:46]
mircea_popescu bitcoin doubles in value by 2013 [16:46]
mircea_popescu profit ? [16:46]
Bugpowder also, rice [16:46]
mircea_popescu o right, rice. forgot the rice. [16:46]
kakobreklaa :DDD [16:46]
mircea_popescu i could see it if it's a farm where nude 15 yo's work to exhaustion [16:47]
mircea_popescu then you sell touring tickets to middle aged german doods. [16:47]
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Chaang-Noi i highly doubt most investors have 100% of their wealth in BTC [16:48]
Chaang-Noi some people who have extra fiat would not mind buying land and rice. [16:48]
mircea_popescu with fiat. [16:48]
Chaang-Noi i could take fiat or btc, i dont care really. [16:48]
kakobreklaa >>you're never going to have a stock/bond issue that is exclusively bitcoin value until every last bit of the expenses, [16:49]
kakobreklaa wrong. [16:49]
Chaang-Noi i would be happy to do this outside of glbse and make it pure local currancy corporation [16:49]
kakobreklaa orly [16:49]
Chaang-Noi i do not need btc to do the rice farm... it is just an easy way to collect funds... [16:50]
kakobreklaa well my case is im workin on one. [16:50]
kakobreklaa me [16:50]
kakobreklaa im bitcoin denominated [16:50]
kakobreklaa :) [16:50]
mircea_popescu that's ridiculous, s.mpoe is 100% bitcoin, s.dice is 100% bitcoin etc. [16:51]
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kakobreklaa preety much ya [16:52]
mircea_popescu buying a non-bitcoin asset with bitcoins is in fact divesting bitcoin. and that's something most people don't want to do. [16:52]
Bugpowder ads [16:53]
Chaang-Noi i will take fiat, i dont need bitcoin to buy land and rice... also if people dont like the idea they dont have to join me. [16:54]
Chaang-Noi hell, i would even take ltc:) [16:54]
Chaang-Noi :) [16:55]
mircea_popescu so you're moving out of btc ? [16:55]
Chaang-Noi i could tell them to plant corn and take popcoin [16:55]
Chaang-Noi moving out of btc? do you read the stuff you post? [16:56]
Chaang-Noi lol [16:56]
Chaang-Noi there was beercoin [16:56]
Chaang-Noi that was started in thailand [16:56]
Chaang-Noi it failed :/ [16:56]
Chaang-Noi beercoin was a while ago, i dont know if many people remember that [16:56]
Chaang-Noi might have even been first fork [16:56]
Chaang-Noi i hold 100,000 ltc did i leave btc? [16:57]
mircea_popescu "I agree that's why I am trying to start a forum with less FUD and Crap to go along with it, but iis seems people scoff at it from lack of users. But the the things is, it would not matter if they really wanted some change from the community." aww [16:57]
Chaang-Noi i hold silver, did i leave gold? :) [16:57]
kakobreklaa 15:53.09 ( Smoovious ) if I started a company right now, sure, I could make all of my transactions based on bitcoin, if I wanted to, but all of my expenses would be based on USD, because that is the economy I'm operating in... [16:57]
mircea_popescu Chaang-Noi aite, so do some actual btc projects. [16:57]
kakobreklaa if my expences are 5 btc a month [16:57]
kakobreklaa how is this USD based [16:57]
kakobreklaa get real [16:57]
Chaang-Noi mp i can do whatever i want to do, but thanks for caring :) [16:57]
kakobreklaa my time [16:58]
kakobreklaa my time [16:58]
kakobreklaa i sell my time [16:59]
kakobreklaa which i take for free [16:59]
kakobreklaa if the usd/btc rate [17:00]
kakobreklaa is irrelevat to the costs [17:00]
kakobreklaa than usd has nothing to do with it [17:00]
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kakobreklaa if my contract says 5 btc [17:00]
kakobreklaa it will be 5btc [17:00]
kakobreklaa if my contract says 50eur in btc [17:00]
kakobreklaa it will be that [17:00]
kakobreklaa if my contract says 1% of the profit [17:00]
kakobreklaa it will be that [17:01]
kakobreklaa that will be your opinion [17:02]
kakobreklaa k [17:03]
kakobreklaa that is your opinion [17:03]
kakobreklaa :) [17:03]
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kakobreklaa in the end ill prolly stick with a small perecntage of profits [17:05]
kakobreklaa when you give me an apple and ill bring back apple an a half, i will take 5% of that half of apple i brought back. [17:06]
Chaang-Noi im on a boat! [17:07]
kakobreklaa cool! [17:07]
Chaang-Noi and im a goat! [17:07]
kakobreklaa the best thing about it Smoovious is so smart yet he has no idea what im going to do. [17:07]
kakobreklaa hehe [17:09]
Chaang-Noi ... [17:11]
assbot [GLBSE] [JTME] 1 @ 0.96998 BTC [-] [17:11]
Chaang-Noi i might be a goat [17:12]
Chaang-Noi how would i know... [17:12]
mircea_popescu Chaang-Noi http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g7WjrvG1GMk [17:12]
Chaang-Noi no im pretty damn sure im on a boat [17:12]
jcpham hi [17:13]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10416 @ 0.00038596 = 4.0202 BTC [+] [17:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14035 @ 0.00038754 = 5.4391 BTC [+] [17:18]
copumpkin aww why not [17:18]
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Chaang-Noi what is wrong with paying people to do work? [17:20]
PeanutPower hello world :) this channel seems quite active :) [17:21]
Chaang-Noi smoovious http://xkcd-map.rent-a-geek.de/#10/0.8960/-12.3335 [17:21]
Chaang-Noi yeah its me on the boat :) [17:22]
copumpkin I think you can [17:22]
Chaang-Noi please tell us how :) [17:22]
copumpkin didn't gmaxwell link to it at some point? [17:22]
mircea_popescu hello PeanutPower [17:22]
nefario Chaang-Noi: Im speaking to a lawyer in 30 minutes [17:23]
copumpkin can't remember [17:23]
nefario happy now? [17:23]
copumpkin yay law [17:23]
Chaang-Noi no im not really happy nefario [17:23]
* copumpkin hugs Chaang-Noi [17:23]
nefario all this talk of me being sued [17:23]
nefario by you [17:23]
Chaang-Noi im not going to sue you [17:23]
nefario I hope not [17:23]
copumpkin lol [17:23]
Chaang-Noi i was smart enough to not give you my id [17:23]
nefario you have any idea how rediculous it would be to have a goat in the courtroom [17:23]
copumpkin nefario: he'd be hopping over other goats [17:24]
Chaang-Noi iv been in the courtroom [17:24]
copumpkin I hope you've seen the video, cause I've linked it enough times [17:24]
Chaang-Noi and i let lawyers talk for me there... [17:24]
PeanutPower wow whats will all the legal talk :O ? [17:24]
kakobreklaa smickles http://xkcd-map.rent-a-geek.de [17:24]
kakobreklaa eh [17:24]
Chaang-Noi posting copies of peoples passports in public seems illegal to me in europe... i know it is in the usa... [17:24]
kakobreklaa Smoovious http://xkcd-map.rent-a-geek.de [17:25]
PeanutPower *with... my dyslexic typing [17:25]
kakobreklaa hm [17:25]
kakobreklaa nevermind [17:25]
kakobreklaa i see it was posted already [17:25]
kakobreklaa my chat window was too smal [17:25]
kakobreklaa got cut [17:25]
copumpkin yahoo answers is super reputable! http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101210045408AAx55yG [17:25]
Chaang-Noi nefario the only one who can sue you is that scammer [17:26]
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PeanutPower wow the xkcd map thing is quite cool [17:26]
Chaang-Noi yeah it is [17:26]
smickles you're never going to have a stock/bond issue that is exclusively bitcoin value until every last bit of the expenses, "" << damn, that was just funny to read [17:26]
Chaang-Noi copumkin do you know of a place we can download that image? [17:26]
kakobreklaa agreed smickles [17:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 1 @ 0.03300101 BTC [-] [17:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [TYGRR.BOND-P] 3 @ 0.033001 = 0.099 BTC [-] [17:27]
kakobreklaa Smoovious should lay off pot for a while [17:27]
kakobreklaa ;> [17:27]
kakobreklaa hm i saw a single image file [17:27]
kakobreklaa ill look it up if its mah history [17:27]
nefario Chaang-Noi: I think it would be interesting if he tried [17:27]
smickles no offense intended Smoovious, it's just you were wrong, and there are a few of us here that operate things solely in btc, as i'm sure was pointed out to you [17:27]
Chaang-Noi i agree nefario [17:28]
copumpkin At 165888 x 79872 pixels, or 1.3 terapixels, the image would fill the screens of 4212 iPads with retina displays in an 81 x 52 grid. [17:28]
smickles Smoovious: look at S2CM [17:29]
smickles I put out sec equivilant reports showing only btc expenses [17:29]
copumpkin here's a medium-sized version http://www.wickedglitch.com/cheatsheets/xkcd_clickdrag_spoiler.png [17:29]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 32 @ 0.12488 = 3.9962 BTC [-] [17:30]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 54 @ 0.12478 = 6.7381 BTC [-] [17:30]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 48 @ 0.1235 = 5.928 BTC [-] [17:30]
smickles they are monthy reports which show the information required on sec 10-k filings [17:30]
smickles which are actually supposed to be annual filings [17:31]
copumpkin http://dagar.ca/xkcd_1110_combined_512.png is 1/4 scale [17:31]
smickles Smoovious: of you're looking for s2cm, the ticker is SS [17:31]
copumpkin http://libesyr.so/dump/montage.png is the full one, I think [17:32]
smickles also, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74216.0 for the thread on the forum where i report the financials [17:32]
smickles alright, sorry that i misinterprated you [17:33]
copumpkin Smoovious: is that png good enough for you? [17:35]
smickles i just figured that it was a business rather than a fund because the shareholders don't get a representation of the held assets, we have a business plan, expenses, employees, and provide a service [17:36]
smickles also, off topic, i'm fairly poor at spelling things correctly [17:37]
smickles "misinterprated" [17:38]
copumpkin I'm fairly correct at spelling things poorly [17:38]
kakobreklaa just the first and last letters must be in correct order [17:38]
kakobreklaa the middle can be gibberish [17:38]
mircea_popescu correct and rectum share a root. [17:38]
copumpkin yes! [17:39]
copumpkin kakobreklaa: the overall distribution of letters should be roughly the same [17:39]
mircea_popescu for instance : kabokrekla [17:39]
mircea_popescu nobody even noticed. [17:39]
kakobreklaa :) [17:39]
mircea_popescu also corapekin [17:40]
copumpkin coprompkin? [17:40]
mircea_popescu cofapkin [17:40]
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Chaang-Noi thank you copumpkin that works for me :) [17:42]
copumpkin curl shows me that it's 247 megs [17:42]
copumpkin good luck finding something that can load it though [17:42]
copumpkin I think photoshop's pretty good at it [17:42]
Chaang-Noi oh i cant see my boat [17:43]
Chaang-Noi that wont work copumpkin :( [17:43]
copumpkin why not? [17:43]
copumpkin you downloaded the extra huge one? [17:43]
copumpkin not the 1/4 scale one? [17:43]
Chaang-Noi btw, im not a huge follower of oh xkcd how big of a deal is this giant map thing? [17:44]
copumpkin not that big of a deal [17:44]
Chaang-Noi http://www.wickedglitch.com/cheatsheets/xkcd_clickdrag_spoiler.png this is what i have [17:44]
copumpkin nah, that was just the first of many [17:44]
Chaang-Noi he does this sorta thing a lot? [17:44]
copumpkin I then posted a 1/4 scale one, and then 1:1 [17:44]
copumpkin http://dagar.ca/xkcd_1110_combined_512.png -> http://libesyr.so/dump/montage.png [17:44]
copumpkin he doesn't do this sort of thing a lot, no [17:44]
copumpkin he did another fairly large interactive one a while back [17:45]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3000 @ 0.000301 = 0.903 BTC [+] [17:45]
Chaang-Noi well that pretty damn cool he did it abot bitcoin [17:45]
copumpkin Smoovious: little do you know that I actually just made a massive version of goatse, tubgirl, and 2 girls 1 cup combined, and uploaded it for your benefit [17:45]
Chaang-Noi about* [17:45]
copumpkin the author of xkcd used to hang out in -otc [17:45]
copumpkin he also accepts bitcoin donations, very subtly [17:45]
Chaang-Noi i sent him a small donation [17:46]
copumpkin http://xkcd.com/bitcoin/ [17:46]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 20 @ 0.0959 = 1.918 BTC [+] [17:46]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 25 @ 0.096 = 2.4 BTC [+] [17:46]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 25 @ 0.097 = 2.425 BTC [+] [17:46]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.09799998 = 0.196 BTC [+] [17:46]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 8 @ 0.098 = 0.784 BTC [+] [17:46]
Chaang-Noi what i would like to do is buy a print of the goat boat and have it signed and pay in btc :) [17:46]
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assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 34 @ 0.09799999 = 3.332 BTC [-] [17:47]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 16 @ 0.098 = 1.568 BTC [+] [17:47]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.67 = 1.34 BTC [-] [17:48]
Diablo-D3 see [17:52]
Diablo-D3 you know what I want? [17:52]
Diablo-D3 to be able to tell my computer [17:52]
Diablo-D3 GOOGLE [17:52]
Diablo-D3 and it does [17:52]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 25 @ 0.0983 = 2.4575 BTC [+] [17:55]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 11 @ 0.0984 = 1.0824 BTC [+] [17:55]
mircea_popescu welcome to 1995 Diablo-D3 [17:55]
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mircea_popescu one day kakobreklaaa is going to be known as janedoe or something and it will blow all our minds. [17:56]
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janedoesomethin minds blown. [17:57]
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jcpham hurr [17:57]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 50 @ 0.0985 = 4.925 BTC [+] [17:58]
copumpkin durr [17:58]
Chaang-Noi smoocious how did you download it? [17:58]
copumpkin curl -O [17:58]
copumpkin or wget [17:58]
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Chaang-Noi umm in in windows 7 on firefox [17:58]
copumpkin or if you're on windows [17:58]
copumpkin you format your computer, then install linux [17:58]
Chaang-Noi im* [17:58]
copumpkin and then type curl -O [17:59]
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Chaang-Noi lol thanks copumpkin [17:59]
copumpkin anytime :) [17:59]
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assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 50 @ 0.0986 = 4.93 BTC [+] [17:59]
Chaang-Noi can you email me the file? [17:59]
Chaang-Noi awesome :) [17:59]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 50 @ 0.0987 = 4.935 BTC [+] [18:00]
jcpham copumpkin that was an elegant solution for using curl [18:01]
jcpham probably the best i've seen [18:01]
copumpkin I'm pretty l33t [18:01]
jcpham no wai [18:02]
copumpkin btw, Chaang-Noi, I got doxed the other day [18:02]
copumpkin yeah, my dox were amazingly revealing [18:02]
Chaang-Noi sorry copumpkin [18:02]
Chaang-Noi im not seen them, nor do i care to see them [18:02]
copumpkin nah, I was just being sarcastic [18:02]
copumpkin it was voluntary doxing [18:03]
Chaang-Noi oh okay [18:03]
copumpkin and there's absolutely nothing on them [18:03]
copumpkin I was kinda disappointed actually [18:03]
copumpkin they did have a list of addresses I've lived at in the past few years [18:03]
copumpkin they note that my SSN is from MD (which is amusing because I've never lived there) [18:03]
copumpkin they have my birthyear and month [18:03]
copumpkin and that's about it :P [18:03]
Chaang-Noi i have nothing secret to hide on me copumpkin [18:04]
Chaang-Noi some people have already doxed me [18:04]
Chaang-Noi hell i did it myself [18:04]
Chaang-Noi one hour smoovious [18:04]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 9 @ 0.091 = 0.819 BTC [+] [18:04]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 4 @ 0.0915 = 0.366 BTC [+] [18:04]
Chaang-Noi :) [18:04]
copumpkin I dunno, I was hoping for some juicy bits on my sealed dealings with the law as a minor [18:05]
copumpkin but no! [18:05]
copumpkin there is no record of that hooker [18:05]
Diablo-D3 what hooker? [18:06]
Diablo-D3 did nefario kill another hooker again? [18:06]
copumpkin nah, I did [18:06]
copumpkin but the records were sealed [18:06]
copumpkin so I'm good [18:06]
copumpkin I've been good ever since I turned 18 [18:07]
copumpkin well, except... [18:07]
copumpkin well, let's just think the legal system thinks I've been good ever since I turned 18 [18:07]
assbot [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 3 @ 1.0001 = 3.0003 BTC [-] [18:07]
assbot [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 1.00000003 BTC [-] [18:07]
assbot [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 3 @ 1.00000002 = 3 BTC [-] [18:07]
copumpkin perhaps I shouldn't joke about shit like that here [18:08]
copumpkin with the level of insanity on the forums, I'm sure there'll be a dozen threads about it by tomorrow [18:08]
copumpkin oh yes [18:08]
Chaang-Noi iv never been in a place where my insaity is somewhat normal [18:09]
mircea_popescu copumpkin is 15. [18:09]
jcpham hahha [18:09]
jcpham sorry i'm not laughing at you, i'm alughing at this youtube video of sarah silverman [18:10]
copumpkin then random bitcoin thugs might show up and annoy my doorman [18:10]
jcpham she has a hilaroius video on voter fraud [18:10]
* copumpkin adjusts his monocle [18:10]
jcpham copumpkin is also black [18:11]
jcpham in addition to being 15 [18:11]
copumpkin I am? [18:11]
copumpkin oh nice [18:11]
jcpham yes [18:11]
kuzetsa bitcoin thugs? [18:11]
kuzetsa lol what? [18:11]
copumpkin I really lack a lot of introspection [18:11]
kuzetsa uhm. good morning. I just woke up. now this. [18:11]
copumpkin so many things about myself I did not realize [18:11]
kuzetsa "bitcoin thugs" sounds awesome [18:11]
jcpham totally understandable copumpkin [18:11]
copumpkin bithugs [18:11]
copumpkin is that bit-hugs [18:11]
copumpkin or bit-thugs? [18:11]
jcpham sometimes we just do not know our true selves [18:11]
kuzetsa is that like. regular thugs who take payment over silk road? [18:12]
copumpkin Smoovious: n00b [18:12]
copumpkin it's Bitcoin, not BitCoin [18:12]
kuzetsa I can CamelCase words if I want to [18:12]
copumpkin CamelToe? [18:12]
jcpham Bitty Coins [18:12]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.00337 = 0.0337 BTC [-] [18:12]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 490 @ 0.003365 = 1.6489 BTC [-] [18:12]
Diablo-D3 did someone say tits? [18:12]
kuzetsa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CamelCase [18:12]
copumpkin I said CamelToe [18:12]
kuzetsa Diablo-D3: me [18:12]
copumpkin it seems appropriate to spell it that way [18:13]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.0988 BTC [+] [18:14]
assbot [GLBSE] [RSM] 1 @ 0.291 BTC [-] [18:14]
assbot [GLBSE] [RSM] 2 @ 0.291 = 0.582 BTC [-] [18:14]
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assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7324 @ 0.000301 = 2.2045 BTC [+] [18:17]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1376 @ 0.00029805 = 0.4101 BTC [-] [18:17]
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assbot [GLBSE] [MOORE] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [-] [18:18]
copumpkin is the image legit? [18:22]
copumpkin did you find the tubgirl tile? [18:22]
assbot [GLBSE] [GOLD] 200 @ 0.00975 = 1.95 BTC [-] [18:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [GOLD] 50 @ 0.0095 = 0.475 BTC [-] [18:23]
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Bugpowder try imagej [18:27]
Bugpowder or fiji [18:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.1241 = 1.241 BTC [+] [18:28]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.124 BTC [-] [18:28]
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