Forum logs for 21 Oct 2012
Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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kakobrekla | ;;ticker | [00:12] |
gribble | Best bid: 11.67752, Best ask: 11.67753, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 11.67752, 24 hour volume: 22623, 24 hour low: 11.56025, 24 hour high: 11.85 | [00:12] |
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jurov | mornin kakobrekla | [00:14] |
kakobrekla | heya jurov | [00:14] |
kakobrekla | hows it going | [00:14] |
jurov | slowly | [00:14] |
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kakobrekla | better slowly than backwards | [00:14] |
jurov | hehe... don't bit4x client need some btc/usd hedging? | [00:15] |
kakobrekla | hm? | [00:15] |
kakobrekla | can you rephrase the question | [00:16] |
jurov | like, i'm going to trade forex, fund my account in btc and then have second thoughts | [00:16] |
kakobrekla | yea? | [00:16] |
jurov | what if btc is going up and i'll be stuck at usd... | [00:16] |
kakobrekla | eh? | [00:16] |
kakobrekla | there is no usd | [00:17] |
kakobrekla | your MT4 balance is denominated in btc | [00:17] |
kakobrekla | there is no conversion | [00:17] |
kakobrekla | thats the point of the whole thing | [00:17] |
kakobrekla | :) | [00:17] |
jurov | but what happens if btc shoots up? you eat the loss? | [00:17] |
kakobrekla | we never convert the btc | [00:18] |
kakobrekla | all deposits that clients made are in my cold storage | [00:19] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30514 @ 0.00043464 = 13.2626 BTC [+] | [00:20] |
jurov | but if someone funds with btc and want to trade trades eur/usd, and later wants to cash out in bitcoins, you use current exch rate, no? | [00:21] |
rg | good question | [00:21] |
rg | ive been wondering a similar quetion | [00:21] |
jurov | then they have to take bitcoin movement into account | [00:21] |
kakobrekla | you can only cash out in bitcoins | [00:22] |
kakobrekla | its not an option. | [00:22] |
kakobrekla | everything is in bitcoins | [00:22] |
jurov | you dodge my question | [00:22] |
kakobrekla | your deposit, your mt4 balance, your PL | [00:22] |
kakobrekla | your withdrawal | [00:22] |
kakobrekla | no | [00:22] |
jurov | so it's practically btc.usd forex? | [00:22] |
kakobrekla | you keep asking me about usd/btc | [00:22] |
kakobrekla | as site says its irrelevant as per your trading | [00:22] |
jurov | so i deposit, say, 100BTC. now, can i use them for usd/eur/gold forex trades, no? | [00:24] |
kakobrekla | jurov yes | [00:25] |
kakobrekla | for comodities 0.1 lot is minimum, meaning with 100 btc you need 1:100 leverage | [00:25] |
kakobrekla | which is kinda dangerous | [00:26] |
kakobrekla | for G/S | [00:26] |
kakobrekla | for the rest of the stuff 0.01 is min, so 100 btc with 1:10 will do | [00:26] |
kakobrekla | check margin and leverage here http://bit4x.com/faq.html | [00:27] |
jurov | dunno, perhaps i'll have to try it myself to understand why btc/usd is irrelevant at bit4x | [00:34] |
kakobrekla | sure | [00:36] |
kakobrekla | you can try the demo, its eur only | [00:36] |
kakobrekla | just imagine eur is btc on the exchange | [00:36] |
kakobrekla | and thats about it. | [00:36] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11246 @ 0.00043464 = 4.888 BTC [+] | [00:46] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3916 @ 0.00043464 = 1.7021 BTC [+] | [01:11] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00043486 = 4.8269 BTC [+] | [01:11] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17284 @ 0.00043494 = 7.5175 BTC [+] | [01:11] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9759 @ 0.00043059 = 4.2021 BTC [-] | [01:36] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30014 @ 0.00043045 = 12.9195 BTC [-] | [01:36] |
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dub | mmm the mrs brought me back a 21 y/o | [01:57] |
kakobrekla | hm? | [01:59] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1845 @ 0.00043045 = 0.7942 BTC [-] | [02:02] |
dub | http://www.masterofmalt.com/whiskies/balvenie-port-wood-21-year-old-whisky/ | [02:03] |
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* | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [06:53] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: http://polimedia.us/mpex || https://coinbr.com || https://cryptostocks.com || https://icbit.se || https://therocktrading.com || https://assets-otc.com || list bot commands: !help || Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades || Net Chart: http://bit.ly/RPclBi || a biased message: http://smpake.com || http://bit4x.com | [06:53] |
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thestringpuller | just trading on price swaps i guess youd call it | [07:07] |
BTC-Mining | Well that'd be mostly what I was doing then. | [07:07] |
BTC-Mining | And the movements were quite extreme, it was ridiculous | [07:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00042928 = 9.6588 BTC [-] | [07:08] |
thestringpuller | but you have access to moning revenue | [07:09] |
thestringpuller | thats gold | [07:09] |
thestringpuller | lol | [07:09] |
noagendamarket | glbse had massive spreads | [07:09] |
noagendamarket | was nice trading that | [07:09] |
BTC-Mining | Only because I put a lot of money upfront to start trading. | [07:10] |
BTC-Mining | More than I could actively trade, so most had to be left in some asset or another. | [07:10] |
BTC-Mining | It then allowed me to have a lot of lowball bids everywhere. | [07:10] |
BTC-Mining | And people would always eventually sell into it. | [07:10] |
BTC-Mining | Sometimes as low as 5%-30% of the asset's average value. | [07:11] |
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BTC-Mining | Hey, I'm calculating what I earned and it comes near 7% per week on average. | [07:14] |
BTC-Mining | and I had no funds in Pirate. | [07:14] |
thestringpuller | lol | [07:14] |
thestringpuller | good for you. 0 pirate exposure | [07:14] |
BTC-Mining | It's actually quite crazy. | [07:15] |
BTC-Mining | All due to a few purchases under 10% of the asset's value. | [07:16] |
thestringpuller | miners are the only secure form of returns imo | [07:16] |
BTC-Mining | Sometimes even under or near the next dividend's value. | [07:16] |
BTC-Mining | Eh, tell that to those who bought fixed hashing bonds... | [07:17] |
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BTC-Mining | They didn't rally make a profit. | [07:17] |
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mircea_popescu | miners are only secure in the sense that you're secure in the knowledge your investment will eventually devalue to almost 0. | [07:18] |
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thestringpuller | transaction fees will cover it | [07:20] |
mircea_popescu | its a commodified market in it man. | [07:21] |
thestringpuller | at some point 0 btc transactions will take days to clear no? | [07:21] |
mircea_popescu | you'll have to double power every 18 months just to stay the same, and this AFTER it stops growing. | [07:21] |
thestringpuller | 0 btc miner fee | [07:21] |
mircea_popescu | yes, but 0.000001 isn't much. | [07:21] |
kuzetsa | it'll be fine | [07:22] |
thestringpuller | if you have hardware couldnt you liquidate your equipment over time to somewhat cover the cost of keeping up with moores law... | [07:22] |
thestringpuller | ?* | [07:22] |
kuzetsa | people playing satoshi dice will keep wasting time with the various faucets, and eating transaction fees to pay the miners for their electricity | [07:22] |
mircea_popescu | ;;bc,diff | [07:23] |
gribble | 3072321.7320208 | [07:23] |
kuzetsa | [00:22:13_UTC-0400] |
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mircea_popescu | it'll be infinite. | [07:23] |
thestringpuller | so its not profitable to mine? | [07:24] |
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thestringpuller | or is it just your profit decreases to 0 over time | [07:25] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller it's a cash-flow business. let me dig the thing up | [07:26] |
mircea_popescu | .g site:bitcointalk.org miner bonds worst investments you can make | [07:26] |
thestringpuller | ugh | [07:27] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=100303.0 | [07:28] |
mircea_popescu | there | [07:28] |
thestringpuller | :( | [07:29] |
thestringpuller | i see | [07:30] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu what about loans? | [07:30] |
mircea_popescu | what about them ? | [07:30] |
thestringpuller | are they more viable on the scale of "bad to good" | [07:31] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7503 @ 0.00042928 = 3.2209 BTC [-] | [07:34] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00042927 = 4.6361 BTC [-] | [07:34] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13097 @ 0.00042926 = 5.622 BTC [-] | [07:34] |
BTC-Mining | Mining is profitable... just not for fixed mhash/s bond because of what's stated in the thread. | [07:36] |
thestringpuller | lol | [07:36] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller the last play-pretend forum banker defaulted recently, didn't he ? | [07:36] |
mircea_popescu | loans work, but 5% a week bullshit is not "loans". | [07:36] |
BTC-Mining | which one is that? | [07:36] |
mircea_popescu | harnett | [07:36] |
BTC-Mining | Did he? | [07:36] |
thestringpuller | patrick harnett makes profits off loans non? | [07:37] |
thestringpuller | oh patrick defaulted? | [07:37] |
thestringpuller | whoa | [07:37] |
mircea_popescu | i'm sure he has a great plan to make everything right over the span of a few years | [07:38] |
mircea_popescu | i'm also sure he's going to spend most of those years in various courts. | [07:38] |
thestringpuller | well fuck | [07:39] |
thestringpuller | i guess usagi had no chance then | [07:39] |
mircea_popescu | it doesn't work in the real world, either. if you compensate for bad loans by jacking up rates eventually you create a vicious circle : | [07:40] |
mircea_popescu | the only people willing to borrow are those who don't intend to repay. | [07:40] |
BTC-Mining | When did Patrick default? | [07:41] |
thestringpuller | man the economy is gonna plummet | [07:41] |
thestringpuller | shit dizzle | [07:41] |
mircea_popescu | BTC-Mining it's a future event. ten days or so. | [07:42] |
BTC-Mining | aye, so where can I read about that? Do you remember the thread? | [07:43] |
mircea_popescu | you will, once he fails to pay my 500 btc end of the month | [07:43] |
BTC-Mining | so... how do you know if there's no announcement or anything? | [07:44] |
mircea_popescu | aren't you used to me by now ? i know things. | [07:44] |
BTC-Mining | oh... I see... | [07:45] |
BTC-Mining | Not sure why you would think so for Harnett | [07:45] |
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BTC-Mining | Well, we'll see about that very soon. | [07:50] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. | [07:51] |
BTC-Mining | It's now the wee hours of the morning. I'm off for today. | [07:52] |
BTC-Mining | Goodbye | [07:52] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5907 @ 0.00042926 = 2.5356 BTC [-] | [08:00] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18793 @ 0.00042921 = 8.0661 BTC [-] | [08:00] |
OgNasty | ;;getrating ognasty | [08:00] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User OgNasty, rated since Sat Sep 1 19:15:19 2012. Cumulative rating 11, from 8 total ratings. Received ratings: 8 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 14 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=OgNasty | [08:00] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: is part of the btc banking illuminati | [08:05] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45100 @ 0.0004295 = 19.3705 BTC [+] | [08:25] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12952 @ 0.00042921 = 5.5591 BTC [-] | [08:25] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25255 @ 0.00042921 = 10.8397 BTC [-] | [08:52] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6245 @ 0.00042908 = 2.6796 BTC [-] | [08:52] |
noagendamarket | mircea_popescu why would you loan him 500btc if hes a "fake banker" | [09:10] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23555 @ 0.00042908 = 10.107 BTC [-] | [09:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00042898 = 6.306 BTC [-] | [09:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12745 @ 0.00042883 = 5.4654 BTC [-] | [09:18] |
thestringpuller | noagendamarket do you think harnett is defaulting | [09:25] |
thestringpuller | ?* | [09:25] |
thestringpuller | I'm checking the forums. | [09:25] |
noagendamarket | inb4 "I waz hacked" | [09:27] |
noagendamarket | I really dont know. Nothing surprises me anymore wrt bitcoin bankers | [09:30] |
thestringpuller | i only really trust my mpex account | [09:32] |
thestringpuller | it's the only thing that consistently makes me money | [09:32] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7214 @ 0.00042883 = 3.0936 BTC [-] | [09:44] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11995 @ 0.00042868 = 5.142 BTC [-] | [09:44] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10356 @ 0.00042868 = 4.4394 BTC [-] | [10:10] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16939 @ 0.00042863 = 7.2606 BTC [-] | [10:10] |
mircea_popescu | bad trust criterion i think | [10:16] |
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copumpkin | mircea_popescu: I think it's kind of shitty to claim that harnett defaulted, and then to revise the claim to say you think he will | [10:19] |
copumpkin | sounds a bit like FUD | [10:20] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00042863 = 8.9584 BTC [-] | [10:35] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2461 @ 0.00042863 = 1.0549 BTC [-] | [11:00] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00042843 = 6.2122 BTC [-] | [11:26] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9666 @ 0.00042843 = 4.1412 BTC [-] | [11:52] |
mircea_popescu | copumpkin what's your definition of default ? | [12:13] |
mircea_popescu | i didn't revise the claim. what i pointed out was that third parties will be able to verify this at a set point in the future. | [12:14] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41763 @ 0.00042855 = 17.8975 BTC [+] | [12:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4937 @ 0.00042879 = 2.1169 BTC [+] | [12:18] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00042843 = 2.3564 BTC [-] | [12:45] |
EskimoBob | what? Another drama in the happy-happy-joy-joy bitcoin land? | [12:48] |
EskimoBob | this seen is worst than the Mexican soap opera | [12:51] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2563 @ 0.00042879 = 1.099 BTC [+] | [13:11] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36921 @ 0.00042995 = 15.8742 BTC [+] | [13:11] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3163 @ 0.00043439 = 1.374 BTC [+] | [13:11] |
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Chaang-Noi | what is going on? | [13:49] |
Chaang-Noi | more drama? | [13:49] |
kakobrekla | mornin | [13:54] |
kakobrekla | soh, gpumax finally closing | [13:54] |
EskimoBob | gpumax was spamming for news sign-up's not too long ago | [13:55] |
EskimoBob | Chaang-Noi: how's your ninja team doing? Any progress? When can we see bleading and toothless Trendon begging for mercy and transferring all the stolen coins back? | [13:57] |
Chaang-Noi | when pirate did that wait til the 12th thing most people quit on me | [13:57] |
Chaang-Noi | then SEC came in... | [13:57] |
Chaang-Noi | i had to operate on my own for the share holders | [13:58] |
Chaang-Noi | i send a lawyer to collect assets | [13:58] |
Chaang-Noi | but then GLBSE fail... | [13:58] |
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EskimoBob | did the SEC really show up? | [13:58] |
Chaang-Noi | SEC is doing a real investigation | [13:58] |
Chaang-Noi | into what exactly i dont know | [13:58] |
Chaang-Noi | so... | [13:58] |
EskimoBob | did you see the papers from SEC? | [13:58] |
Chaang-Noi | anyway the other people are now ready to sue pirate... | [13:58] |
Chaang-Noi | i did not see any papers from the SEC | [13:59] |
Chaang-Noi | i have trusted friends who called the SEC | [13:59] |
Chaang-Noi | seems the SEC wants to chat with me | [13:59] |
EskimoBob | ask for a request on a paper | [13:59] |
EskimoBob | and post the scan | [13:59] |
Chaang-Noi | im going to wait for them to contact me directly | [14:00] |
Chaang-Noi | then i will direct them to my lawyer | [14:00] |
Diablo-D3 | Chaang-Noi: yeah, I dont like whats going on here | [14:00] |
EskimoBob | chats are bull shit and if they start twisting your arm, you have nothing to prove it. Chat ONLY via letters and publish every one of them | [14:00] |
Chaang-Noi | they want me to call them and they tape my phone call, not going to happen | [14:01] |
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Chaang-Noi | esp if they wont tell me what they want | [14:01] |
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EskimoBob | unless they show you a court order (publish it) that prohibits the publication of documents | [14:01] |
EskimoBob | let them send you a letter with what they want | [14:01] |
Chaang-Noi | yeah im not doing shit until they contact me | [14:02] |
EskimoBob | remember court order or they can go and fuck themselves | [14:03] |
EskimoBob | especially if they ask for third party documents or what not | [14:03] |
Chaang-Noi | they will have to ship me over from thailand | [14:04] |
Chaang-Noi | i kinda doubt they will anyway | [14:04] |
EskimoBob | aren't you on a "wanted" list in US? | [14:04] |
Chaang-Noi | unless pirate was doing some terrorist like shit | [14:04] |
EskimoBob | not on The list :) | [14:04] |
EskimoBob | but list never the less | [14:04] |
Chaang-Noi | lol what list? | [14:05] |
EskimoBob | I was reading somewhere that you are not really comfortable in US because of some old shit | [14:05] |
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Chaang-Noi | ? | [14:06] |
Chaang-Noi | i was just in the usa | [14:06] |
EskimoBob | :) | [14:06] |
EskimoBob | yeah, something about you escaping to Thailand etc | [14:06] |
Chaang-Noi | with pirate, i posted the photos lol | [14:06] |
EskimoBob | I know | [14:06] |
Chaang-Noi | was this something i wrote or someone else? | [14:06] |
EskimoBob | that's why it sounded a bit strange | [14:06] |
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EskimoBob | huh... I can not remember that | [14:07] |
EskimoBob | lets talk more serious stuff. | [14:07] |
EskimoBob | the assets-otc happening that's paling in the theater near you :) | [14:08] |
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EskimoBob | i need to rise the coin to get this project off the ground but if assets-otc has problems (personal) I am not aware of, then this is kinda bad :( | [14:10] |
EskimoBob | Chaang-Noi: or are you guys just "in love" like me and usagi? LOL :) | [14:10] |
Chaang-Noi | poatir guy? | [14:11] |
EskimoBob | yes | [14:11] |
EskimoBob | piotr_n guy | [14:11] |
Chaang-Noi | he just trolled my threads hard with crazy stuff like theymos and nefario were defruading my investors with me | [14:11] |
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Chaang-Noi | i just trolled his thread to show people how crazy he was | [14:11] |
EskimoBob | OK, that episode | [14:11] |
Chaang-Noi | he is unstable. | [14:11] |
EskimoBob | so it's just a trolling festival? | [14:12] |
Chaang-Noi | i was doing everyone a favor | [14:12] |
Chaang-Noi | i ws just fucking with him | [14:12] |
EskimoBob | Unstable? how unstable? Like usagi? | [14:12] |
Chaang-Noi | cuz he went into every thread i had and made shit up | [14:12] |
Chaang-Noi | he thinks theymos and neferio are working with me to sell fake stocks on glbse | [14:12] |
Chaang-Noi | and otehr crazy shit | [14:12] |
Chaang-Noi | and he kicked you out at the drop of a hat for no reason | [14:13] |
EskimoBob | yeah, i did read some. | [14:13] |
EskimoBob | me? | [14:13] |
EskimoBob | from where? | [14:13] |
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Diablo-D3 | TROLLS, TROLLS EVERYWHERE | [14:14] |
Chaang-Noi | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=105437.msg1287486#msg1287486 | [14:14] |
Chaang-Noi | did yo uknow about this? | [14:14] |
Diablo-D3 | wat | [14:14] |
Diablo-D3 | wtf is assets otc | [14:14] |
EskimoBob | wtf? | [14:14] |
Diablo-D3 | "you asset" | [14:14] |
EskimoBob | i did not know that... shit. this guy is unstable | [14:14] |
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Diablo-D3 | HEY ESKIMO | [14:15] |
Diablo-D3 | YOU ASSET | [14:15] |
Chaang-Noi | yeah he is unstable he is a nutter | [14:15] |
kakobrekla | hm | [14:15] |
kakobrekla | EskimoBob why? | [14:16] |
EskimoBob | no idea why | [14:16] |
EskimoBob | I was actually in his side and not goats | [14:16] |
kakobrekla | well that sucks balls. | [14:16] |
EskimoBob | I guess he did not like my comment about the drama | [14:16] |
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kakobrekla | urlpls | [14:17] |
EskimoBob | fuck, this is really strange because I was promoting hes service, not getting in the middle of goats and piotrs fight and actually asking them to chill out | [14:17] |
Chaang-Noi | he is crazy | [14:17] |
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Chaang-Noi | i was just trolling him cuz i knew he would act liek this | [14:18] |
Chaang-Noi | you should not trust him | [14:18] |
EskimoBob | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=105437.msg1285560#msg1285560 maybe this one? | [14:18] |
EskimoBob | thanx man, I this piotr guy can go and fuck himself unless he apologises in that same forum thread | [14:19] |
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Diablo-D3 | ha ha | [14:23] |
Diablo-D3 | EskimoBob got nefarioed. | [14:23] |
Chaang-Noi | lol | [14:23] |
Chaang-Noi | nefarioed :) | [14:23] |
Chaang-Noi | you can tell him i was just fucking with him if you want :) | [14:24] |
Diablo-D3 | bad goat, no fucking with people | [14:24] |
leotreasure | where is nefario? | [14:24] |
Diablo-D3 | leotreasure: hiding with kim dotcom | [14:24] |
Chaang-Noi | meh, that guy had it coming | [14:25] |
Diablo-D3 | see | [14:25] |
Diablo-D3 | this is why I have not given much in the way of fucks over dmc | [14:25] |
Diablo-D3 | the entire community is full of assholes | [14:25] |
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kakobrekla | i know a few that are not | [14:28] |
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Diablo-D3 | its rare | [14:28] |
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kakobrekla | ;;getrating piotr_n | [14:29] |
gribble | This user has not yet been rated. WARNING: Currently not authenticated. | [14:29] |
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kakobrekla | does he have otc ? | [14:29] |
EskimoBob | ;;getrating piotr_n | [14:29] |
gribble | This user has not yet been rated. WARNING: Currently not authenticated. | [14:30] |
EskimoBob | he is under different name | [14:30] |
EskimoBob | tonikt | [14:30] |
EskimoBob | ;;getrating tonikt | [14:30] |
gribble | Currently authenticated from hostmask tonikt!~tonikt@unaffiliated/tonikt . User tonikt, rated since Mon Jul 9 09:55:31 2012. Cumulative rating 6, from 5 total ratings. Received ratings: 5 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 7 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=tonikt | [14:30] |
kakobrekla | jeez | [14:30] |
kakobrekla | even i made txes with him. | [14:30] |
tonikt | kakobrekla: do you have something against me? | [14:31] |
EskimoBob | I am truly surprised that he acted like this with out any reason | [14:31] |
kakobrekla | well im not particuraly fond of this semi random kicking out | [14:31] |
EskimoBob | tonikt: wtf was that all about? | [14:31] |
EskimoBob | do you understand that I was on your side? | [14:31] |
kakobrekla | and well tbh, "If they are licking your balls, or compromising my reputation - yes!" | [14:32] |
kakobrekla | i was checking the reputation being compromised | [14:32] |
Chaang-Noi | im not, i knew he was crazy | [14:32] |
tonikt | so you think goat, nefario an theymos are honest people? | [14:32] |
EskimoBob | me? | [14:32] |
EskimoBob | hell no | [14:32] |
EskimoBob | theymos and neff are as bad as this trendon fuck | [14:33] |
tonikt | I'm asking kakobrekla | [14:33] |
kakobrekla | asking what | [14:33] |
tonikt | With you EskimoBob, I'm done | [14:33] |
kakobrekla | i told you | [14:33] |
EskimoBob | goat is just strange :) honestly | [14:33] |
kakobrekla | oh | [14:33] |
kakobrekla | you mean about goat nef and theymos | [14:33] |
kakobrekla | shady people | [14:33] |
kakobrekla | goat is maybe just silly | [14:33] |
EskimoBob | tonikt: what did I do? | [14:33] |
tonikt | kakobrekla: Would you let them into your service? | [14:33] |
tonikt | For free.. | [14:33] |
kakobrekla | sure | [14:33] |
tonikt | Why? | [14:34] |
Chaang-Noi | yeah im silly | [14:34] |
EskimoBob | I am honestly surprised that you acted like that tonikt | [14:34] |
Chaang-Noi | and yeah i can be a giant asshole at times :) | [14:34] |
kakobrekla | i run bit4x and smpake, why would i disallow them to use it - i have no reason to | [14:34] |
kakobrekla | and also | [14:34] |
kakobrekla | what does EB have to do with it | [14:34] |
Chaang-Noi | anyway guys, ill be back alter, time for a massage :) | [14:34] |
kakobrekla | he is not theymos or goat | [14:34] |
kakobrekla | or nefario | [14:34] |
EskimoBob | i have promoted your service in almost every message lately and inviting pople over and now this | [14:35] |
EskimoBob | people* | [14:35] |
kakobrekla | you are acting imature tonikt | [14:35] |
EskimoBob | for no reason at all! | [14:35] |
tonikt | :) | [14:35] |
tonikt | I'm just taking good care of the reputation of assets-otc | [14:36] |
kakobrekla | for all i care pirate can open a forex account with me | [14:36] |
tonikt | You don't like it - I dont care | [14:36] |
EskimoBob | tonikt: you have no assets in otc any more | [14:36] |
kakobrekla | whole community dont like -you dont care | [14:36] |
kakobrekla | nobody will use you | [14:36] |
tonikt | We will see | [14:36] |
EskimoBob | running service like that you can not be such a drama queen and a fkn flip-flop | [14:37] |
kakobrekla | indeed | [14:37] |
EskimoBob | anyone can piss you off just by spelling your name wrong tonikt. | [14:37] |
EskimoBob | lol | [14:37] |
tonikt | EskimoBob: you were offending me back then, when I was saying that Goat and Nefario were crooks | [14:38] |
EskimoBob | I am glad it happened so early and not on later time. | [14:38] |
tonikt | Then I turned out be be right... | [14:38] |
kakobrekla | lol | [14:38] |
tonikt | You came asking me, aprologizing, if you can use my service | [14:38] |
EskimoBob | back when? | [14:38] |
tonikt | I let you in - but you did not learn the lesson | [14:38] |
tonikt | And you have kept offending me | [14:38] |
kakobrekla | tonikt where does he offend you? | [14:38] |
tonikt | So, thats why I'm done with you | [14:39] |
kakobrekla | urlpls | [14:39] |
EskimoBob | have I ? url please | [14:39] |
tonikt | kakobrekla: are you his lawyer? | [14:39] |
kakobrekla | yeah and he is paying reall well | [14:39] |
kakobrekla | now url? | [14:39] |
EskimoBob | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=105437.msg1287459#msg1287459 ? | [14:40] |
tonikt | Quite: "Chaang Noi, thank you for the warning. Good news is that assetc-otc owner has no access to issuers nor investors coin." | [14:40] |
tonikt | Thats an offense for me | [14:40] |
EskimoBob | " I had my share of word fights with piotr_n not too long ago but it's water under the bridge and all have moved on. | [14:40] |
EskimoBob | The asstes-otc ideas has potential (if it gets a "trading" interface" | [14:40] |
kakobrekla | lol | [14:40] |
kakobrekla | this is hilarious | [14:40] |
oizotov | soap opera ;] | [14:41] |
EskimoBob | tonikt dude, you obviously have some serious issues. Sorry, I can not deal with someone as unstable as you and I can not recommend your services to anyone from now on | [14:42] |
EskimoBob | fuck me... this is worst than soap opera... LOL | [14:42] |
tonikt | I agree - I don't take it seriously, you do all the drama and I just do "update assets set delisted=1 where id=2" - and then just laugh... :) | [14:42] |
EskimoBob | like damn emo-girls on their fkn periods | [14:42] |
Diablo-D3 | you mean like usagi? | [14:43] |
tonikt | I know EskimoBob that you cannot deal with me - and that is because I will not allow you to deal with me amnymore | [14:43] |
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tonikt | But, please keep dealing with Goat | [14:43] |
EskimoBob | tonikt: you just demonstrated how fucked up up actually are :) | [14:43] |
tonikt | He is your hero :) | [14:43] |
Diablo-D3 | trololololololo | [14:43] |
tonikt | EskimoBob: "fucked up" is quite a relative term :) | [14:43] |
EskimoBob | he is not my fkn here you fool | [14:43] |
tonikt | ... so I'm tending to agree on it.. :) | [14:44] |
Diablo-D3 | SUPERGOAT TO THE RESCUE! FORM OF A BONG! | [14:44] |
tonikt | Oh, I think he is... | [14:45] |
tonikt | Don't deny your feelings | [14:45] |
EskimoBob | just fuck off now tonikt, you need to grow up | [14:45] |
tonikt | :) | [14:45] |
tonikt | hey, you came to me - remember? | [14:45] |
tonikt | you appologized for being a dick to me in a past | [14:46] |
tonikt | and then you asked if you can get your shit listed at assets-otc | [14:46] |
tonikt | and then i let you in | [14:46] |
EskimoBob | yes | [14:46] |
tonikt | and then you showed me your disrespect | [14:46] |
tonikt | and then I delisted you | [14:47] |
EskimoBob | and now you think that I have insulted you somehow? | [14:47] |
tonikt | and now you tell me: fuck off | [14:47] |
Diablo-D3 | quickly tonikt, write an EskimoBob x goat fanfic | [14:47] |
Diablo-D3 | post it to the forums for great victory | [14:47] |
EskimoBob | tonikt: respect is earned | [14:47] |
tonikt | so, I would not be so sure that I am a one who needs to grow up | [14:47] |
EskimoBob | and you just pissed it all away tonikt | [14:47] |
Diablo-D3 | man, whats with all this commentary about needing to grow up | [14:48] |
Diablo-D3 | only kids say that | [14:48] |
EskimoBob | you delisted it with no reason. | [14:48] |
tonikt | There was a reason | [14:48] |
EskimoBob | what is that? | [14:48] |
tonikt | A gave you a chance - and you blew it | [14:48] |
tonikt | That's it | [14:48] |
EskimoBob | i blew nothing :) you flipped out over nothing and acted like a asshat | [14:49] |
EskimoBob | your loss tonikt | [14:49] |
tonikt | Sure, my loss... what am I going to do now? :) | [14:50] |
tonikt | I hope you guys understand that I do this project more as a hobby | [14:50] |
tonikt | So there is no way that I am going to let anyone using my work for free while disrespectful to me at the same time | [14:51] |
EskimoBob | LOL, I was one of the few guys actually on your side | [14:53] |
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kakobrekla | 13:50.45 ( tonikt ) I hope you guys understand that I do this project more as a hobby | [14:53] |
EskimoBob | enough said | [14:53] |
kakobrekla | meaning what exactly, with nefario those words ment he doenst give much fuck | [14:53] |
kakobrekla | i dont think other peoples money + hobby doesnt go well together | [14:54] |
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tonikt | kakobrekla: do you have an idea what assets-otc is about? | [14:54] |
tonikt | it's not an exchange like glbse was | [14:55] |
tonikt | I dont touch any money | [14:55] |
kakobrekla | well, if it was anything like bitcoin-otc there wouldnt have bans like that | [14:55] |
kakobrekla | have been* | [14:55] |
tonikt | but there are no bans | [14:55] |
tonikt | EskimoBob can still log in and owe assets at the service | [14:55] |
tonikt | he is just not allowed to be an asset issuer | [14:56] |
EskimoBob | tonikt: dream on | [14:56] |
tonikt | because I need to take care of the reputation of this service | [14:56] |
kakobrekla | lol | [14:56] |
kakobrekla | nanotube rep doenst go down if 10 scammers join otc | [14:56] |
EskimoBob | absurd BS tonikt. | [14:56] |
EskimoBob | you pissed on your "reputation" (that was low anyways) buy showing how unstable you can be | [14:57] |
tonikt | kakobrekla: but nanotube does not hold onyone's bitcoins? | [14:57] |
tonikt | while the asset issuers in my doervice do | [14:57] |
tonikt | service* | [14:57] |
EskimoBob | sorry man, I was really trying to promote your service. | [14:57] |
tonikt | So I will go my best to protect the users from dishonest asset issuers | [14:58] |
kakobrekla | egos collide. | [14:58] |
EskimoBob | tonikt: so do not you hold any coin | [14:58] |
kakobrekla | seriosusly girls, get your shit together. | [14:58] |
tonikt | kakobrekla: well, it isnt me who has been crying here | [14:59] |
EskimoBob | forget it, I am not going to waste my time on this egomaniac | [14:59] |
tonikt | if any of us - it would rather be you :) | [14:59] |
EskimoBob | tonikt: I d di not cry. I was just surprised what you did and your reason for this is ... how to put it .... | [14:59] |
tonikt | And you are still surprised, despite my explanations | [15:00] |
tonikt | And you are still crying | [15:00] |
tonikt | Along with kakobrekla | [15:00] |
tonikt | What can I tell you guys: my server - my rules | [15:00] |
kakobrekla | tonikt now you are starting to insult me. :) | [15:00] |
tonikt | kakobrekla: you started first | [15:00] |
tonikt | I came here because you mentioned myh name in a negative contect | [15:01] |
tonikt | Let me quote: jeez. even i made txes with him. | [15:01] |
tonikt | So it seem like now you regret making txes with me back then | [15:02] |
kakobrekla | lolwhat | [15:02] |
tonikt | Well, it that makes you feel better: I regret it too :P | [15:02] |
kakobrekla | how does this make sense | [15:02] |
tonikt | Well you tell me - these are your words | [15:02] |
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tonikt | Maybe we understand English differently | [15:03] |
kakobrekla | yeah, i was wondering what otc ratings were behind the words "If they are licking your balls, or compromising my reputation - yes!" | [15:03] |
tonikt | But your expression about making txes with me in the past came out as quite regretful | [15:03] |
kakobrekla | to see what is there to destroy | [15:03] |
kakobrekla | and i saw even i was a part of it | [15:03] |
kakobrekla | thats about it | [15:03] |
tonikt | kakobrekla: but you know that the person who I spoke these words to does not have any OTC rating | [15:04] |
tonikt | because he says that OTC is shit | [15:04] |
tonikt | (though that may not be an exact quite) | [15:04] |
tonikt | quote* | [15:04] |
Diablo-D3 | [08:03:21] |
[15:05] |
Diablo-D3 | see | [15:05] |
Diablo-D3 | what I dont get is | [15:05] |
Diablo-D3 | why is that guy against homosexuality? | [15:05] |
tonikt | So if you don't have the full picture, how dare you judging me by one sentence, not even spoken towards you? | [15:05] |
Diablo-D3 | its bad enough we have luke | [15:05] |
Diablo-D3 | Ball licking between two consensual adults is protected by the constitution. | [15:05] |
kakobrekla | where is the judging? | [15:05] |
Diablo-D3 | kakobrekla: implication that ball licking is bad | [15:06] |
tonikt | yep | [15:06] |
tonikt | :) | [15:06] |
kakobrekla | meh | [15:06] |
tonikt | and not seeing it as a metaphore | [15:06] |
tonikt | fi you would have said "kiss ass" instead of "lick balls" - would that sound better to you? | [15:07] |
tonikt | and would that be then acceptable? | [15:07] |
tonikt | or still not...? | [15:07] |
Diablo-D3 | no one is kissing anyone's ass anyhow | [15:08] |
Diablo-D3 | eskimobob and goat are both forum trolls | [15:08] |
tonikt | and btw | [15:08] |
tonikt | ;;getrating EskimoBob | [15:08] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User eskimobob, rated since Sat Jun 4 09:35:57 2011. Cumulative rating -3, from 4 total ratings. Received ratings: 2 positive, 2 negative. Sent ratings: 3 positive, 4 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=eskimobob | [15:08] |
kakobrekla | you knew this before you let him be an issuer in assets otc? | [15:09] |
tonikt | No - I gave him the benefit of the doubt | [15:10] |
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tonikt | But as I said: he just blew it a few days later | [15:10] |
kakobrekla | your mistake. | [15:10] |
tonikt | And I don't see any harm done, so I do not understand why you are acting like EskimoBob was a victim and you were his advocate | [15:11] |
tonikt | A minor mistake - and fixed already | [15:11] |
tonikt | No harm done | [15:11] |
kakobrekla | the lack of biz ethics in bitcoin bothers me | [15:13] |
kakobrekla | thats this topic is interesting to me. | [15:13] |
kakobrekla | thats why* | [15:13] |
tonikt | biz ethics - wtf is this? | [15:14] |
kakobrekla | exactly | [15:14] |
tonikt | never heard about anything like this | [15:14] |
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tonikt | why wont you teach me, then? | [15:14] |
tonikt | I have the whole afternoon | [15:15] |
kakobrekla | i dont | [15:15] |
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tonikt | But tell me please, was it more the balls related sentence I spoke to Goat - or the fact that i fixed my mistake and kicked EskimoBob's asset out of my service - which one of the two violated the biz ethics? | [15:16] |
EskimoBob | this drama and unstability is tiresome. I am glad that this little man flipped out so early and not at some later date. Egomaniacs and primadonnas are bad news and annoying | [15:16] |
Diablo-D3 | tonikt: they both trolled you and won | [15:16] |
EskimoBob | I did not troll him at all Diablo-D3 | [15:17] |
Diablo-D3 | EskimoBob: you did too | [15:17] |
EskimoBob | unless you have no idea wtf trolling means Diablo-D3 :) | [15:17] |
tonikt | I dont care about they trolling me | [15:17] |
tonikt | For me its fun | [15:17] |
EskimoBob | how so Diablo-D3 ? | [15:17] |
tonikt | And I dont care about EskimoBob neither Goat | [15:17] |
Diablo-D3 | EskimoBob: you had a legitimate asset listed on his service, correct? | [15:17] |
tonikt | I just wander what does kakobrekla have against me and my ethics? | [15:17] |
EskimoBob | Diablo-D3: yes | [15:17] |
Diablo-D3 | EskimoBob: legitimate assets are considered trolling now | [15:17] |
EskimoBob | tonikt: you have no ethics, obviously | [15:18] |
EskimoBob | OK, Diablo-D3 LOL | [15:18] |
Diablo-D3 | EskimoBob: srsly, ask nefario | [15:18] |
tonikt | EskimoBob: as for your standards, I really hope that you see me like this :) | [15:18] |
Diablo-D3 | dohohohohohohohohoho | [15:18] |
tonikt | a man with no ethics | [15:18] |
EskimoBob | tonikt: are you sure you are a man? | [15:19] |
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tonikt | EskimoBob: why would you care if I'm a man? | [15:19] |
EskimoBob | maybe you are a lonely and angry girl? | [15:19] |
tonikt | You do business with Goats daily | [15:19] |
EskimoBob | do I ? | [15:19] |
EskimoBob | I did not know that | [15:19] |
tonikt | Well, not anymore, after your other hero Nefario shut down the webpage | [15:20] |
EskimoBob | my hero? | [15:20] |
tonikt | But you are still kissing Goats ass | [15:20] |
EskimoBob | are you serious or just trolling? | [15:20] |
EskimoBob | how do I kiss goats ass? | [15:20] |
tonikt | Do I sound serious? | [15:20] |
EskimoBob | Thanking him for a warning? | [15:21] |
tonikt | Ho do you kiss his ass? | [15:21] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33700 @ 0.00043154 = 14.5429 BTC [+] | [15:21] |
tonikt | I just gave you a quote - look above | [15:21] |
EskimoBob | i do not see it tonikt | [15:21] |
tonikt | And I am sure I could find hundreds of such on bitcaoointalk | [15:21] |
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EskimoBob | i thanked him for a warning and that was it. | [15:22] |
tonikt | Then look closer | [15:22] |
EskimoBob | worst thing is, he was RIGHT! you are unstable :) | [15:22] |
tonikt | Oh, I am extremely stable - I just don't do business with crooks | [15:23] |
tonikt | And as soon as I identify one, I just kick him out | [15:23] |
EskimoBob | fuck dude, you are funny little man | [15:23] |
EskimoBob | LOL | [15:23] |
EskimoBob | OK, I am afk now. keep yapping | [15:23] |
tonikt | But for all the other, nobody complains about my stability | [15:23] |
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mircea_popescu | whoa wall of convo | [15:23] |
mircea_popescu | im not reading this backlog >.< | [15:24] |
EskimoBob | stability? you have none to complain about :P | [15:24] |
mircea_popescu | who's tonikt ? | [15:24] |
tonikt | mircea_popescu: assets-otc.com | [15:25] |
mircea_popescu | ahaha ok. | [15:26] |
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mircea_popescu | how's the copycat business? | [15:26] |
tonikt | calm | [15:26] |
tonikt | Definietlly less profitable than yours | [15:27] |
tonikt | I's actually say: a negative profit :) | [15:27] |
mircea_popescu | ya well... | [15:28] |
tonikt | But it does have a future - best security a man can get so after all the other exchanges get hacked, robbed or closed - mine will be the only one left :) | [15:28] |
tonikt | At least that's the plan :) | [15:28] |
mircea_popescu | dude, you're just another misguided youth. | [15:28] |
tonikt | Man, I'm 36 | [15:28] |
mircea_popescu | thinking you can replicate the things by copying what you perceive of their surface. | [15:28] |
mircea_popescu | that's sad. | [15:28] |
mircea_popescu | you should be 18ish. | [15:28] |
tonikt | You obviously dont understand my system if you think I copied your idea | [15:28] |
mircea_popescu | obviously. | [15:29] |
tonikt | I told you: I dont even know what your idea is about | [15:29] |
mircea_popescu | also, you are completely new and surprising, | [15:29] |
mircea_popescu | innovative and will take over the world. | [15:29] |
mircea_popescu | at least... that's the plan. | [15:29] |
tonikt | Well, I cannot be 18 anymore - thats one thing for sure | [15:30] |
tonikt | But as for the rest... we will see | [15:30] |
tonikt | Time will show | [15:30] |
mircea_popescu | english isn't your native tongue is it ? | [15:30] |
tonikt | no | [15:30] |
tonikt | but I can swear in english pretty well :P | [15:31] |
mircea_popescu | you mean curse ? | [15:31] |
tonikt | yes | [15:32] |
mircea_popescu | always a good skill to have. | [15:32] |
tonikt | usually some first words you learn in a language | [15:33] |
Chaang-Noi | Diablo-D3> eskimobob and goat are both forum trolls <--- I troll to make a point.. i have skills :) | [15:34] |
mircea_popescu | so does he. | [15:34] |
Chaang-Noi | [15:35] | |
mircea_popescu | who ?! | [15:35] |
tonikt | oh, they keep exploiting the fact that I kicked out EskimoBob's asset from assets-otc | [15:36] |
mircea_popescu | ;;echo Chaang-Noi who ? | [15:36] |
gribble | Chaang-Noi who ? | [15:36] |
tonikt | like I cared :) | [15:36] |
kakobrekla | oh come on Chaang-Noi, you find a reason in aftermath for everything you do | [15:37] |
Chaang-Noi | no, i even sent a pm about it to scholastic | [15:37] |
Chaang-Noi | im not kidding | [15:37] |
mircea_popescu | jesus there's so much nothing happening in btc every day i find it impossible to keep track | [15:37] |
mircea_popescu | anyone has cliffnotes ? | [15:37] |
Chaang-Noi | as soon as i found out who was running that service i went there to fuck with his head | [15:37] |
Chaang-Noi | kakobrekla read the thread, im clearly trolling with him and trying to provoke him | [15:38] |
Chaang-Noi | he just going nuts on eskimobob was unexpected | [15:38] |
Chaang-Noi | i just assume i would make him look crazy with his conspiricy theorys | [15:38] |
tonikt | EskimoBob: so now you see who to blame - Goat provoked me to kick you out :) | [15:38] |
Chaang-Noi | he did more than i expected but that was my goat... | [15:39] |
Chaang-Noi | gaol* | [15:39] |
tonikt | .... and I just could not stand the pressure the guy put onto me :) | [15:39] |
Chaang-Noi | i dont have you on ignore mircea | [15:39] |
kakobrekla | 14:37.51 ( Chaang-Noi ) as soon as i found out who was running that service i went there to fuck with his head < - so you are saying you had something against tonikt before this drama now? what was it? | [15:39] |
Chaang-Noi | go read the thread, he went into all my asset threads and made silly claims about me selling fake bonds | [15:40] |
Chaang-Noi | he even called neferio and theymos as pat of my bitches | [15:40] |
Chaang-Noi | that they lied for me | [15:40] |
mircea_popescu | so to make a long story short, eskimobobby launched some asset (was it that recording studio thing ?) and tonikt pulled a nefario/goat thing ? | [15:40] |
Chaang-Noi | this guy is a nutter | [15:40] |
Chaang-Noi | yes mircea | [15:40] |
Chaang-Noi | more or less | [15:40] |
mircea_popescu | fascinating. so meta... | [15:40] |
kakobrekla | mircea_popescu :D | [15:40] |
Chaang-Noi | the thing is, we dont know why he did it | [15:40] |
mircea_popescu | what do you mean why ?! TO BE A REAL EXCHANGE | [15:41] |
Chaang-Noi | Kakobrekla you should read the thread, and see all the crazy attacks he has made aginst me | [15:41] |
tonikt | mircea_popescu: unlike you I dont run an exchange | [15:41] |
kakobrekla | i dont have time currently if its not a single post. | [15:41] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla didja see live.coinbr btw ? | [15:41] |
kakobrekla | no | [15:41] |
mircea_popescu | mmm was it live.coinbr.com i think | [15:42] |
kakobrekla | aha | [15:42] |
jurov | yes | [15:42] |
mircea_popescu | ya that's it | [15:42] |
kakobrekla | cute :) | [15:42] |
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jurov | mircea i really appreciate you puting in faq :) | [15:43] |
mircea_popescu | i dunno, it has all that css ;/ | [15:43] |
mircea_popescu | jurov hehe sure. | [15:43] |
jurov | tonikt, while you are here, can you please explain why you aren't same thing as mpex? | [15:44] |
tonikt | because mpex holds bitcoins | [15:45] |
Chaang-Noi | mpex is trusted and stable :) | [15:45] |
tonikt | while I don't | [15:45] |
Chaang-Noi | tonikt why did you think nefario lied and let me sell "counterfit" bonds? | [15:45] |
Chaang-Noi | why do you keep calling him "my bitch" | [15:46] |
tonikt | I only help to process PGP signed contracts and the bitcoin payments go over the counter | [15:46] |
Chaang-Noi | are you not aware of our relationship? :) | [15:46] |
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tonikt | .. plus lets face it: mpex looks like shit :) | [15:46] |
tonikt | while the UI of my service is pretty intuitive | [15:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00043154 = 1.4888 BTC [+] | [15:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6559 @ 0.00043237 = 2.8359 BTC [+] | [15:47] |
jurov | tonikt, where is the advantage to selling assets over bitcoin-otc directly? | [15:47] |
tonikt | paying dividends | [15:47] |
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Chaang-Noi | with tonikt you get to trust the assets will be delisted almost at random, lol | [15:48] |
jurov | and talking about UI, bitcoin-otc at least has some order book, do you have one? | [15:48] |
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tonikt | Since the page helps to keep the account balanaces it can help to pay out dividends, proportionally to the share owned | [15:48] |
tonikt | jurov: If you were an asset issuer, you'd definitely prefer to use the system like assets-otc, rather than keep all the books manually | [15:49] |
tonikt | It automates a pretty huge part of the bureaucracy behind bookkeeping | [15:50] |
jurov | okay, that's nice but i'm asking about order book atm. | [15:50] |
tonikt | order book - I just suggest to use the OTC one | [15:51] |
tonikt | why to re-invent the wheel | [15:51] |
jurov | oh, then you are NOT an exchange. just some app to help asset issuers. | [15:52] |
tonikt | exactly | [15:52] |
tonikt | I'm saying it all the time - but people just dont seem to get it | [15:53] |
tonikt | You can store assets at assets-otc, you get a PGP signed receipts, but it is not a trading platform | [15:53] |
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jurov | hm.. wouldn't that work much better as desktop app, at least for asset holders? | [15:56] |
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tonikt | assets-otc is more like a bitcoin wallet, rather than a bitcoin exchange | [15:56] |
tonikt | jurov: isn't a web browser also a desktop app? | [15:56] |
tonikt | plus of course, to handle the service you need a desktop app: GnuPG | [15:57] |
jurov | as seen in the past, some will rather die than to copy/paste text to gpg and paste the result back to browser | [15:57] |
tonikt | I know | [15:57] |
jurov | it shouldn't be hard to streamline | [15:57] |
tonikt | But my service is for other customers | [15:58] |
tonikt | The rkey requirement is: security | [15:58] |
tonikt | Even the dividend payment tool was designed and made in a way that you can use it offline | [15:58] |
tonikt | At a PC that has never been connected to a network | [15:59] |
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tonikt | You just download an archive with the entire history of your assets transaction - it's a zip file with PGP signed contracts inside and the keys | [16:00] |
tonikt | You take this zip file to an offline PC, setup how many BTC you want to pay and run the tool.. | [16:00] |
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jurov | so, dividend issuers have a nice tool they'll need maybe once a month... but end users shall fumble with gpg and browserevery time they trade? | [16:01] |
* | jurov totally approves | [16:01] |
tonikt | And then the tool process the contracts one by one verifying signatures - to calculate the final balance and output a proper sendmany RPC command | [16:01] |
tonikt | jurov: yes | [16:01] |
tonikt | But don't the end users care about the security of their assets? | [16:02] |
jurov | tell me, why should be a desktop app that just calls gpg insecure? | [16:02] |
tonikt | I think they do - and so eventually, after another exchange crashes, they will finally understand that a system like assets-otc is the only ultimatelly secured solution | [16:03] |
tonikt | jurov: I'm not saying that a desktop app would not be secured | [16:03] |
tonikt | but it would be kind of hard to distribute a new desktop app (in binary version, I presume) with the same kind of trust as the old fasion gpg has already | [16:04] |
tonikt | I mean: bitcoin-otc has been using it - so people know how to handle it | [16:04] |
tonikt | At least some people... | [16:04] |
tonikt | I guess you could ask the same question to nanotube: why he did not come out with a desktop app, instead on the bot? | [16:05] |
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* | jurov points in direction of pyMPEx with its notoriously insecure means of distribution | [16:05] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25941 @ 0.00043237 = 11.2161 BTC [+] | [16:12] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1759 @ 0.00043324 = 0.7621 BTC [+] | [16:12] |
tonikt | Definitelly assets-otc is not for daily traders | [16:12] |
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tonikt | ... but more for long time investors, who dont mind to copy/past gpg stuff one a month or so, just to make sure that nobody will put hands on their assets/bitcoins during the process | [16:13] |
tonikt | And in practice it's not harder to use it than bitcoin-otc | [16:16] |
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pigeons | ;;rate EskimoBob good dealings | [16:56] |
gribble | Error: 'good' is not a valid integer. | [16:56] |
pigeons | ;;rate EskimoBob 2 good dealings | [16:56] |
gribble | Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user EskimoBob has been recorded. | [16:56] |
EskimoBob | Thank you pigeons. I have your coin BTW. As you know, tonikt got mad and delisted my project. I am going to look for another listing option. Do you want me to send you back your coin? | [17:02] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00043059 = 3.1433 BTC [-] | [17:04] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23319 @ 0.00043052 = 10.0393 BTC [-] | [17:04] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00042888 = 4.7606 BTC [-] | [17:04] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 781 @ 0.00042837 = 0.3346 BTC [-] | [17:04] |
pigeons | I'd prefer if you issue an OT contract, even if its on an OT server i have to setup | [17:06] |
pigeons | we'll figure something out | [17:06] |
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EskimoBob | tonikt: you forgot to mention that your security = delisted at any time you are in a bad mood | [17:11] |
EskimoBob | jurov: OT has all that functionality with 2 major differences - you can not be delisted by a moody joker and it has quoting system | [17:12] |
EskimoBob | pigeons: I think I am going the OT way and I'll find someone who issues the BTC derivative or do it myself as a market maker | [17:13] |
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EskimoBob | I am going to use the contract I have up in the forum and the divs will be around 20% a year | [17:14] |
EskimoBob | or more | [17:14] |
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* | EskimoBob laughs because he got a live lesson on "do not trust moody jokers" | [17:16] |
Diablo-D3 | heh, I got that lesson with nefario =/ | [17:18] |
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EskimoBob | Nefario is another type of asshole. This pior_n fuck just wasted my time :) | [17:19] |
EskimoBob | if we get the securities out of the GLBSE, we can move on but assets-otc is out for good. It offers nothing that OT can not | [17:21] |
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Diablo-D3 | heh | [17:23] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00042851 = 16.1977 BTC [+] | [17:29] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6290 @ 0.00043198 = 2.7172 BTC [+] | [17:54] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27110 @ 0.00043262 = 11.7283 BTC [+] | [17:54] |
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