Forum logs for 21 Oct 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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kakobrekla ;;ticker [00:12]
gribble Best bid: 11.67752, Best ask: 11.67753, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 11.67752, 24 hour volume: 22623, 24 hour low: 11.56025, 24 hour high: 11.85 [00:12]
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jurov mornin kakobrekla [00:14]
kakobrekla heya jurov [00:14]
kakobrekla hows it going [00:14]
jurov slowly [00:14]
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kakobrekla better slowly than backwards [00:14]
jurov hehe... don't bit4x client need some btc/usd hedging? [00:15]
kakobrekla hm? [00:15]
kakobrekla can you rephrase the question [00:16]
jurov like, i'm going to trade forex, fund my account in btc and then have second thoughts [00:16]
kakobrekla yea? [00:16]
jurov what if btc is going up and i'll be stuck at usd... [00:16]
kakobrekla eh? [00:16]
kakobrekla there is no usd [00:17]
kakobrekla your MT4 balance is denominated in btc [00:17]
kakobrekla there is no conversion [00:17]
kakobrekla thats the point of the whole thing [00:17]
kakobrekla :) [00:17]
jurov but what happens if btc shoots up? you eat the loss? [00:17]
kakobrekla we never convert the btc [00:18]
kakobrekla all deposits that clients made are in my cold storage [00:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30514 @ 0.00043464 = 13.2626 BTC [+] [00:20]
jurov but if someone funds with btc and want to trade trades eur/usd, and later wants to cash out in bitcoins, you use current exch rate, no? [00:21]
rg good question [00:21]
rg ive been wondering a similar quetion [00:21]
jurov then they have to take bitcoin movement into account [00:21]
kakobrekla you can only cash out in bitcoins [00:22]
kakobrekla its not an option. [00:22]
kakobrekla everything is in bitcoins [00:22]
jurov you dodge my question [00:22]
kakobrekla your deposit, your mt4 balance, your PL [00:22]
kakobrekla your withdrawal [00:22]
kakobrekla no [00:22]
jurov so it's practically btc.usd forex? [00:22]
kakobrekla you keep asking me about usd/btc [00:22]
kakobrekla as site says its irrelevant as per your trading [00:22]
jurov so i deposit, say, 100BTC. now, can i use them for usd/eur/gold forex trades, no? [00:24]
kakobrekla jurov yes [00:25]
kakobrekla for comodities 0.1 lot is minimum, meaning with 100 btc you need 1:100 leverage [00:25]
kakobrekla which is kinda dangerous [00:26]
kakobrekla for G/S [00:26]
kakobrekla for the rest of the stuff 0.01 is min, so 100 btc with 1:10 will do [00:26]
kakobrekla check margin and leverage here http://bit4x.com/faq.html [00:27]
jurov dunno, perhaps i'll have to try it myself to understand why btc/usd is irrelevant at bit4x [00:34]
kakobrekla sure [00:36]
kakobrekla you can try the demo, its eur only [00:36]
kakobrekla just imagine eur is btc on the exchange [00:36]
kakobrekla and thats about it. [00:36]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11246 @ 0.00043464 = 4.888 BTC [+] [00:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3916 @ 0.00043464 = 1.7021 BTC [+] [01:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00043486 = 4.8269 BTC [+] [01:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17284 @ 0.00043494 = 7.5175 BTC [+] [01:11]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9759 @ 0.00043059 = 4.2021 BTC [-] [01:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30014 @ 0.00043045 = 12.9195 BTC [-] [01:36]
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dub mmm the mrs brought me back a 21 y/o [01:57]
kakobrekla hm? [01:59]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1845 @ 0.00043045 = 0.7942 BTC [-] [02:02]
dub http://www.masterofmalt.com/whiskies/balvenie-port-wood-21-year-old-whisky/ [02:03]
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* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [06:53]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: http://polimedia.us/mpex || https://coinbr.com || https://cryptostocks.com || https://icbit.se || https://therocktrading.com || https://assets-otc.com || list bot commands: !help || Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades || Net Chart: http://bit.ly/RPclBi || a biased message: http://smpake.com || http://bit4x.com [06:53]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Tue Oct 16 15:58:37 2012 [06:53]
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thestringpuller just trading on price swaps i guess youd call it [07:07]
BTC-Mining Well that'd be mostly what I was doing then. [07:07]
BTC-Mining And the movements were quite extreme, it was ridiculous [07:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00042928 = 9.6588 BTC [-] [07:08]
thestringpuller but you have access to moning revenue [07:09]
thestringpuller thats gold [07:09]
thestringpuller lol [07:09]
noagendamarket glbse had massive spreads [07:09]
noagendamarket was nice trading that [07:09]
BTC-Mining Only because I put a lot of money upfront to start trading. [07:10]
BTC-Mining More than I could actively trade, so most had to be left in some asset or another. [07:10]
BTC-Mining It then allowed me to have a lot of lowball bids everywhere. [07:10]
BTC-Mining And people would always eventually sell into it. [07:10]
BTC-Mining Sometimes as low as 5%-30% of the asset's average value. [07:11]
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BTC-Mining Hey, I'm calculating what I earned and it comes near 7% per week on average. [07:14]
BTC-Mining and I had no funds in Pirate. [07:14]
thestringpuller lol [07:14]
thestringpuller good for you. 0 pirate exposure [07:14]
BTC-Mining It's actually quite crazy. [07:15]
BTC-Mining All due to a few purchases under 10% of the asset's value. [07:16]
thestringpuller miners are the only secure form of returns imo [07:16]
BTC-Mining Sometimes even under or near the next dividend's value. [07:16]
BTC-Mining Eh, tell that to those who bought fixed hashing bonds... [07:17]
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BTC-Mining They didn't rally make a profit. [07:17]
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mircea_popescu miners are only secure in the sense that you're secure in the knowledge your investment will eventually devalue to almost 0. [07:18]
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thestringpuller transaction fees will cover it [07:20]
mircea_popescu its a commodified market in it man. [07:21]
thestringpuller at some point 0 btc transactions will take days to clear no? [07:21]
mircea_popescu you'll have to double power every 18 months just to stay the same, and this AFTER it stops growing. [07:21]
thestringpuller 0 btc miner fee [07:21]
mircea_popescu yes, but 0.000001 isn't much. [07:21]
kuzetsa it'll be fine [07:22]
thestringpuller if you have hardware couldnt you liquidate your equipment over time to somewhat cover the cost of keeping up with moores law... [07:22]
thestringpuller ?* [07:22]
kuzetsa people playing satoshi dice will keep wasting time with the various faucets, and eating transaction fees to pay the miners for their electricity [07:22]
mircea_popescu ;;bc,diff [07:23]
gribble 3072321.7320208 [07:23]
kuzetsa [00:22:13_UTC-0400] it'll be fine [07:23]
mircea_popescu it'll be infinite. [07:23]
thestringpuller so its not profitable to mine? [07:24]
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thestringpuller or is it just your profit decreases to 0 over time [07:25]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller it's a cash-flow business. let me dig the thing up [07:26]
mircea_popescu .g site:bitcointalk.org miner bonds worst investments you can make [07:26]
thestringpuller ugh [07:27]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=100303.0 [07:28]
mircea_popescu there [07:28]
thestringpuller :( [07:29]
thestringpuller i see [07:30]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu what about loans? [07:30]
mircea_popescu what about them ? [07:30]
thestringpuller are they more viable on the scale of "bad to good" [07:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7503 @ 0.00042928 = 3.2209 BTC [-] [07:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00042927 = 4.6361 BTC [-] [07:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13097 @ 0.00042926 = 5.622 BTC [-] [07:34]
BTC-Mining Mining is profitable... just not for fixed mhash/s bond because of what's stated in the thread. [07:36]
thestringpuller lol [07:36]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller the last play-pretend forum banker defaulted recently, didn't he ? [07:36]
mircea_popescu loans work, but 5% a week bullshit is not "loans". [07:36]
BTC-Mining which one is that? [07:36]
mircea_popescu harnett [07:36]
BTC-Mining Did he? [07:36]
thestringpuller patrick harnett makes profits off loans non? [07:37]
thestringpuller oh patrick defaulted? [07:37]
thestringpuller whoa [07:37]
mircea_popescu i'm sure he has a great plan to make everything right over the span of a few years [07:38]
mircea_popescu i'm also sure he's going to spend most of those years in various courts. [07:38]
thestringpuller well fuck [07:39]
thestringpuller i guess usagi had no chance then [07:39]
mircea_popescu it doesn't work in the real world, either. if you compensate for bad loans by jacking up rates eventually you create a vicious circle : [07:40]
mircea_popescu the only people willing to borrow are those who don't intend to repay. [07:40]
BTC-Mining When did Patrick default? [07:41]
thestringpuller man the economy is gonna plummet [07:41]
thestringpuller shit dizzle [07:41]
mircea_popescu BTC-Mining it's a future event. ten days or so. [07:42]
BTC-Mining aye, so where can I read about that? Do you remember the thread? [07:43]
mircea_popescu you will, once he fails to pay my 500 btc end of the month [07:43]
BTC-Mining so... how do you know if there's no announcement or anything? [07:44]
mircea_popescu aren't you used to me by now ? i know things. [07:44]
BTC-Mining oh... I see... [07:45]
BTC-Mining Not sure why you would think so for Harnett [07:45]
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BTC-Mining Well, we'll see about that very soon. [07:50]
mircea_popescu yeah. [07:51]
BTC-Mining It's now the wee hours of the morning. I'm off for today. [07:52]
BTC-Mining Goodbye [07:52]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5907 @ 0.00042926 = 2.5356 BTC [-] [08:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18793 @ 0.00042921 = 8.0661 BTC [-] [08:00]
OgNasty ;;getrating ognasty [08:00]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User OgNasty, rated since Sat Sep 1 19:15:19 2012. Cumulative rating 11, from 8 total ratings. Received ratings: 8 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 14 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=OgNasty [08:00]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: is part of the btc banking illuminati [08:05]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45100 @ 0.0004295 = 19.3705 BTC [+] [08:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12952 @ 0.00042921 = 5.5591 BTC [-] [08:25]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25255 @ 0.00042921 = 10.8397 BTC [-] [08:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6245 @ 0.00042908 = 2.6796 BTC [-] [08:52]
noagendamarket mircea_popescu why would you loan him 500btc if hes a "fake banker" [09:10]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23555 @ 0.00042908 = 10.107 BTC [-] [09:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00042898 = 6.306 BTC [-] [09:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12745 @ 0.00042883 = 5.4654 BTC [-] [09:18]
thestringpuller noagendamarket do you think harnett is defaulting [09:25]
thestringpuller ?* [09:25]
thestringpuller I'm checking the forums. [09:25]
noagendamarket inb4 "I waz hacked" [09:27]
noagendamarket I really dont know. Nothing surprises me anymore wrt bitcoin bankers [09:30]
thestringpuller i only really trust my mpex account [09:32]
thestringpuller it's the only thing that consistently makes me money [09:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7214 @ 0.00042883 = 3.0936 BTC [-] [09:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11995 @ 0.00042868 = 5.142 BTC [-] [09:44]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10356 @ 0.00042868 = 4.4394 BTC [-] [10:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16939 @ 0.00042863 = 7.2606 BTC [-] [10:10]
mircea_popescu bad trust criterion i think [10:16]
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copumpkin mircea_popescu: I think it's kind of shitty to claim that harnett defaulted, and then to revise the claim to say you think he will [10:19]
copumpkin sounds a bit like FUD [10:20]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00042863 = 8.9584 BTC [-] [10:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2461 @ 0.00042863 = 1.0549 BTC [-] [11:00]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9666 @ 0.00042843 = 4.1412 BTC [-] [11:52]
mircea_popescu copumpkin what's your definition of default ? [12:13]
mircea_popescu i didn't revise the claim. what i pointed out was that third parties will be able to verify this at a set point in the future. [12:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41763 @ 0.00042855 = 17.8975 BTC [+] [12:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00042843 = 2.3564 BTC [-] [12:45]
EskimoBob what? Another drama in the happy-happy-joy-joy bitcoin land? [12:48]
EskimoBob this seen is worst than the Mexican soap opera [12:51]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6962 @ 0.00043494 = 3.0281 BTC [+] [13:11]
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Chaang-Noi what is going on? [13:49]
Chaang-Noi more drama? [13:49]
kakobrekla mornin [13:54]
kakobrekla soh, gpumax finally closing [13:54]
EskimoBob gpumax was spamming for news sign-up's not too long ago [13:55]
EskimoBob Chaang-Noi: how's your ninja team doing? Any progress? When can we see bleading and toothless Trendon begging for mercy and transferring all the stolen coins back? [13:57]
Chaang-Noi when pirate did that wait til the 12th thing most people quit on me [13:57]
Chaang-Noi then SEC came in... [13:57]
Chaang-Noi i had to operate on my own for the share holders [13:58]
Chaang-Noi i send a lawyer to collect assets [13:58]
Chaang-Noi but then GLBSE fail... [13:58]
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EskimoBob did the SEC really show up? [13:58]
Chaang-Noi SEC is doing a real investigation [13:58]
Chaang-Noi into what exactly i dont know [13:58]
Chaang-Noi so... [13:58]
EskimoBob did you see the papers from SEC? [13:58]
Chaang-Noi anyway the other people are now ready to sue pirate... [13:58]
Chaang-Noi i did not see any papers from the SEC [13:59]
Chaang-Noi i have trusted friends who called the SEC [13:59]
Chaang-Noi seems the SEC wants to chat with me [13:59]
EskimoBob ask for a request on a paper [13:59]
EskimoBob and post the scan [13:59]
Chaang-Noi im going to wait for them to contact me directly [14:00]
Chaang-Noi then i will direct them to my lawyer [14:00]
Diablo-D3 Chaang-Noi: yeah, I dont like whats going on here [14:00]
EskimoBob chats are bull shit and if they start twisting your arm, you have nothing to prove it. Chat ONLY via letters and publish every one of them [14:00]
Chaang-Noi they want me to call them and they tape my phone call, not going to happen [14:01]
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Chaang-Noi esp if they wont tell me what they want [14:01]
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EskimoBob unless they show you a court order (publish it) that prohibits the publication of documents [14:01]
EskimoBob let them send you a letter with what they want [14:01]
Chaang-Noi yeah im not doing shit until they contact me [14:02]
EskimoBob remember court order or they can go and fuck themselves [14:03]
EskimoBob especially if they ask for third party documents or what not [14:03]
Chaang-Noi they will have to ship me over from thailand [14:04]
Chaang-Noi i kinda doubt they will anyway [14:04]
EskimoBob aren't you on a "wanted" list in US? [14:04]
Chaang-Noi unless pirate was doing some terrorist like shit [14:04]
EskimoBob not on The list :) [14:04]
EskimoBob but list never the less [14:04]
Chaang-Noi lol what list? [14:05]
EskimoBob I was reading somewhere that you are not really comfortable in US because of some old shit [14:05]
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Chaang-Noi ? [14:06]
Chaang-Noi i was just in the usa [14:06]
EskimoBob :) [14:06]
EskimoBob yeah, something about you escaping to Thailand etc [14:06]
Chaang-Noi with pirate, i posted the photos lol [14:06]
EskimoBob I know [14:06]
Chaang-Noi was this something i wrote or someone else? [14:06]
EskimoBob that's why it sounded a bit strange [14:06]
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EskimoBob huh... I can not remember that [14:07]
EskimoBob lets talk more serious stuff. [14:07]
EskimoBob the assets-otc happening that's paling in the theater near you :) [14:08]
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EskimoBob i need to rise the coin to get this project off the ground but if assets-otc has problems (personal) I am not aware of, then this is kinda bad :( [14:10]
EskimoBob Chaang-Noi: or are you guys just "in love" like me and usagi? LOL :) [14:10]
Chaang-Noi poatir guy? [14:11]
EskimoBob yes [14:11]
EskimoBob piotr_n guy [14:11]
Chaang-Noi he just trolled my threads hard with crazy stuff like theymos and nefario were defruading my investors with me [14:11]
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Chaang-Noi i just trolled his thread to show people how crazy he was [14:11]
EskimoBob OK, that episode [14:11]
Chaang-Noi he is unstable. [14:11]
EskimoBob so it's just a trolling festival? [14:12]
Chaang-Noi i was doing everyone a favor [14:12]
Chaang-Noi i ws just fucking with him [14:12]
EskimoBob Unstable? how unstable? Like usagi? [14:12]
Chaang-Noi cuz he went into every thread i had and made shit up [14:12]
Chaang-Noi he thinks theymos and neferio are working with me to sell fake stocks on glbse [14:12]
Chaang-Noi and otehr crazy shit [14:12]
Chaang-Noi and he kicked you out at the drop of a hat for no reason [14:13]
EskimoBob yeah, i did read some. [14:13]
EskimoBob me? [14:13]
EskimoBob from where? [14:13]
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Diablo-D3 TROLLS, TROLLS EVERYWHERE [14:14]
Chaang-Noi https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=105437.msg1287486#msg1287486 [14:14]
Chaang-Noi did yo uknow about this? [14:14]
Diablo-D3 wat [14:14]
Diablo-D3 wtf is assets otc [14:14]
EskimoBob wtf? [14:14]
Diablo-D3 "you asset" [14:14]
EskimoBob i did not know that... shit. this guy is unstable [14:14]
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Diablo-D3 HEY ESKIMO [14:15]
Diablo-D3 YOU ASSET [14:15]
Chaang-Noi yeah he is unstable he is a nutter [14:15]
kakobrekla hm [14:15]
kakobrekla EskimoBob why? [14:16]
EskimoBob no idea why [14:16]
EskimoBob I was actually in his side and not goats [14:16]
kakobrekla well that sucks balls. [14:16]
EskimoBob I guess he did not like my comment about the drama [14:16]
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kakobrekla urlpls [14:17]
EskimoBob fuck, this is really strange because I was promoting hes service, not getting in the middle of goats and piotrs fight and actually asking them to chill out [14:17]
Chaang-Noi he is crazy [14:17]
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Chaang-Noi i was just trolling him cuz i knew he would act liek this [14:18]
Chaang-Noi you should not trust him [14:18]
EskimoBob https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=105437.msg1285560#msg1285560 maybe this one? [14:18]
EskimoBob thanx man, I this piotr guy can go and fuck himself unless he apologises in that same forum thread [14:19]
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Diablo-D3 ha ha [14:23]
Diablo-D3 EskimoBob got nefarioed. [14:23]
Chaang-Noi lol [14:23]
Chaang-Noi nefarioed :) [14:23]
Chaang-Noi you can tell him i was just fucking with him if you want :) [14:24]
Diablo-D3 bad goat, no fucking with people [14:24]
leotreasure where is nefario? [14:24]
Diablo-D3 leotreasure: hiding with kim dotcom [14:24]
Chaang-Noi meh, that guy had it coming [14:25]
Diablo-D3 see [14:25]
Diablo-D3 this is why I have not given much in the way of fucks over dmc [14:25]
Diablo-D3 the entire community is full of assholes [14:25]
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kakobrekla i know a few that are not [14:28]
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Diablo-D3 its rare [14:28]
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kakobrekla ;;getrating piotr_n [14:29]
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kakobrekla does he have otc ? [14:29]
EskimoBob ;;getrating piotr_n [14:29]
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EskimoBob he is under different name [14:30]
EskimoBob tonikt [14:30]
EskimoBob ;;getrating tonikt [14:30]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask tonikt!~tonikt@unaffiliated/tonikt . User tonikt, rated since Mon Jul 9 09:55:31 2012. Cumulative rating 6, from 5 total ratings. Received ratings: 5 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 7 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=tonikt [14:30]
kakobrekla jeez [14:30]
kakobrekla even i made txes with him. [14:30]
tonikt kakobrekla: do you have something against me? [14:31]
EskimoBob I am truly surprised that he acted like this with out any reason [14:31]
kakobrekla well im not particuraly fond of this semi random kicking out [14:31]
EskimoBob tonikt: wtf was that all about? [14:31]
EskimoBob do you understand that I was on your side? [14:31]
kakobrekla and well tbh, "If they are licking your balls, or compromising my reputation - yes!" [14:32]
kakobrekla i was checking the reputation being compromised [14:32]
Chaang-Noi im not, i knew he was crazy [14:32]
tonikt so you think goat, nefario an theymos are honest people? [14:32]
EskimoBob me? [14:32]
EskimoBob hell no [14:32]
EskimoBob theymos and neff are as bad as this trendon fuck [14:33]
tonikt I'm asking kakobrekla [14:33]
kakobrekla asking what [14:33]
tonikt With you EskimoBob, I'm done [14:33]
kakobrekla i told you [14:33]
EskimoBob goat is just strange :) honestly [14:33]
kakobrekla oh [14:33]
kakobrekla you mean about goat nef and theymos [14:33]
kakobrekla shady people [14:33]
kakobrekla goat is maybe just silly [14:33]
EskimoBob tonikt: what did I do? [14:33]
tonikt kakobrekla: Would you let them into your service? [14:33]
tonikt For free.. [14:33]
kakobrekla sure [14:33]
tonikt Why? [14:34]
Chaang-Noi yeah im silly [14:34]
EskimoBob I am honestly surprised that you acted like that tonikt [14:34]
Chaang-Noi and yeah i can be a giant asshole at times :) [14:34]
kakobrekla i run bit4x and smpake, why would i disallow them to use it - i have no reason to [14:34]
kakobrekla and also [14:34]
kakobrekla what does EB have to do with it [14:34]
Chaang-Noi anyway guys, ill be back alter, time for a massage :) [14:34]
kakobrekla he is not theymos or goat [14:34]
kakobrekla or nefario [14:34]
EskimoBob i have promoted your service in almost every message lately and inviting pople over and now this [14:35]
EskimoBob people* [14:35]
kakobrekla you are acting imature tonikt [14:35]
EskimoBob for no reason at all! [14:35]
tonikt :) [14:35]
tonikt I'm just taking good care of the reputation of assets-otc [14:36]
kakobrekla for all i care pirate can open a forex account with me [14:36]
tonikt You don't like it - I dont care [14:36]
EskimoBob tonikt: you have no assets in otc any more [14:36]
kakobrekla whole community dont like -you dont care [14:36]
kakobrekla nobody will use you [14:36]
tonikt We will see [14:36]
EskimoBob running service like that you can not be such a drama queen and a fkn flip-flop [14:37]
kakobrekla indeed [14:37]
EskimoBob anyone can piss you off just by spelling your name wrong tonikt. [14:37]
EskimoBob lol [14:37]
tonikt EskimoBob: you were offending me back then, when I was saying that Goat and Nefario were crooks [14:38]
EskimoBob I am glad it happened so early and not on later time. [14:38]
tonikt Then I turned out be be right... [14:38]
kakobrekla lol [14:38]
tonikt You came asking me, aprologizing, if you can use my service [14:38]
EskimoBob back when? [14:38]
tonikt I let you in - but you did not learn the lesson [14:38]
tonikt And you have kept offending me [14:38]
kakobrekla tonikt where does he offend you? [14:38]
tonikt So, thats why I'm done with you [14:39]
kakobrekla urlpls [14:39]
EskimoBob have I ? url please [14:39]
tonikt kakobrekla: are you his lawyer? [14:39]
kakobrekla yeah and he is paying reall well [14:39]
kakobrekla now url? [14:39]
EskimoBob https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=105437.msg1287459#msg1287459 ? [14:40]
tonikt Quite: "Chaang Noi, thank you for the warning. Good news is that assetc-otc owner has no access to issuers nor investors coin." [14:40]
tonikt Thats an offense for me [14:40]
EskimoBob " I had my share of word fights with piotr_n not too long ago but it's water under the bridge and all have moved on. [14:40]
EskimoBob The asstes-otc ideas has potential (if it gets a "trading" interface" [14:40]
kakobrekla lol [14:40]
kakobrekla this is hilarious [14:40]
oizotov soap opera ;] [14:41]
EskimoBob tonikt dude, you obviously have some serious issues. Sorry, I can not deal with someone as unstable as you and I can not recommend your services to anyone from now on [14:42]
EskimoBob fuck me... this is worst than soap opera... LOL [14:42]
tonikt I agree - I don't take it seriously, you do all the drama and I just do "update assets set delisted=1 where id=2" - and then just laugh... :) [14:42]
EskimoBob like damn emo-girls on their fkn periods [14:42]
Diablo-D3 you mean like usagi? [14:43]
tonikt I know EskimoBob that you cannot deal with me - and that is because I will not allow you to deal with me amnymore [14:43]
* Diablo-D3 runs [14:43]
tonikt But, please keep dealing with Goat [14:43]
EskimoBob tonikt: you just demonstrated how fucked up up actually are :) [14:43]
tonikt He is your hero :) [14:43]
Diablo-D3 trololololololo [14:43]
tonikt EskimoBob: "fucked up" is quite a relative term :) [14:43]
EskimoBob he is not my fkn here you fool [14:43]
tonikt ... so I'm tending to agree on it.. :) [14:44]
Diablo-D3 SUPERGOAT TO THE RESCUE! FORM OF A BONG! [14:44]
tonikt Oh, I think he is... [14:45]
tonikt Don't deny your feelings [14:45]
EskimoBob just fuck off now tonikt, you need to grow up [14:45]
tonikt :) [14:45]
tonikt hey, you came to me - remember? [14:45]
tonikt you appologized for being a dick to me in a past [14:46]
tonikt and then you asked if you can get your shit listed at assets-otc [14:46]
tonikt and then i let you in [14:46]
EskimoBob yes [14:46]
tonikt and then you showed me your disrespect [14:46]
tonikt and then I delisted you [14:47]
EskimoBob and now you think that I have insulted you somehow? [14:47]
tonikt and now you tell me: fuck off [14:47]
Diablo-D3 quickly tonikt, write an EskimoBob x goat fanfic [14:47]
Diablo-D3 post it to the forums for great victory [14:47]
EskimoBob tonikt: respect is earned [14:47]
tonikt so, I would not be so sure that I am a one who needs to grow up [14:47]
EskimoBob and you just pissed it all away tonikt [14:47]
Diablo-D3 man, whats with all this commentary about needing to grow up [14:48]
Diablo-D3 only kids say that [14:48]
EskimoBob you delisted it with no reason. [14:48]
tonikt There was a reason [14:48]
EskimoBob what is that? [14:48]
tonikt A gave you a chance - and you blew it [14:48]
tonikt That's it [14:48]
EskimoBob i blew nothing :) you flipped out over nothing and acted like a asshat [14:49]
EskimoBob your loss tonikt [14:49]
tonikt Sure, my loss... what am I going to do now? :) [14:50]
tonikt I hope you guys understand that I do this project more as a hobby [14:50]
tonikt So there is no way that I am going to let anyone using my work for free while disrespectful to me at the same time [14:51]
EskimoBob LOL, I was one of the few guys actually on your side [14:53]
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kakobrekla 13:50.45 ( tonikt ) I hope you guys understand that I do this project more as a hobby [14:53]
EskimoBob enough said [14:53]
kakobrekla meaning what exactly, with nefario those words ment he doenst give much fuck [14:53]
kakobrekla i dont think other peoples money + hobby doesnt go well together [14:54]
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tonikt kakobrekla: do you have an idea what assets-otc is about? [14:54]
tonikt it's not an exchange like glbse was [14:55]
tonikt I dont touch any money [14:55]
kakobrekla well, if it was anything like bitcoin-otc there wouldnt have bans like that [14:55]
kakobrekla have been* [14:55]
tonikt but there are no bans [14:55]
tonikt EskimoBob can still log in and owe assets at the service [14:55]
tonikt he is just not allowed to be an asset issuer [14:56]
EskimoBob tonikt: dream on [14:56]
tonikt because I need to take care of the reputation of this service [14:56]
kakobrekla lol [14:56]
kakobrekla nanotube rep doenst go down if 10 scammers join otc [14:56]
EskimoBob absurd BS tonikt. [14:56]
EskimoBob you pissed on your "reputation" (that was low anyways) buy showing how unstable you can be [14:57]
tonikt kakobrekla: but nanotube does not hold onyone's bitcoins? [14:57]
tonikt while the asset issuers in my doervice do [14:57]
tonikt service* [14:57]
EskimoBob sorry man, I was really trying to promote your service. [14:57]
tonikt So I will go my best to protect the users from dishonest asset issuers [14:58]
kakobrekla egos collide. [14:58]
EskimoBob tonikt: so do not you hold any coin [14:58]
kakobrekla seriosusly girls, get your shit together. [14:58]
tonikt kakobrekla: well, it isnt me who has been crying here [14:59]
EskimoBob forget it, I am not going to waste my time on this egomaniac [14:59]
tonikt if any of us - it would rather be you :) [14:59]
EskimoBob tonikt: I d di not cry. I was just surprised what you did and your reason for this is ... how to put it .... [14:59]
tonikt And you are still surprised, despite my explanations [15:00]
tonikt And you are still crying [15:00]
tonikt Along with kakobrekla [15:00]
tonikt What can I tell you guys: my server - my rules [15:00]
kakobrekla tonikt now you are starting to insult me. :) [15:00]
tonikt kakobrekla: you started first [15:00]
tonikt I came here because you mentioned myh name in a negative contect [15:01]
tonikt Let me quote: jeez. even i made txes with him. [15:01]
tonikt So it seem like now you regret making txes with me back then [15:02]
kakobrekla lolwhat [15:02]
tonikt Well, it that makes you feel better: I regret it too :P [15:02]
kakobrekla how does this make sense [15:02]
tonikt Well you tell me - these are your words [15:02]
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tonikt Maybe we understand English differently [15:03]
kakobrekla yeah, i was wondering what otc ratings were behind the words "If they are licking your balls, or compromising my reputation - yes!" [15:03]
tonikt But your expression about making txes with me in the past came out as quite regretful [15:03]
kakobrekla to see what is there to destroy [15:03]
kakobrekla and i saw even i was a part of it [15:03]
kakobrekla thats about it [15:03]
tonikt kakobrekla: but you know that the person who I spoke these words to does not have any OTC rating [15:04]
tonikt because he says that OTC is shit [15:04]
tonikt (though that may not be an exact quite) [15:04]
tonikt quote* [15:04]
Diablo-D3 [08:03:21] yeah, i was wondering what otc ratings were behind the words "If they are licking your balls, or compromising my reputation - yes!" [15:05]
Diablo-D3 see [15:05]
Diablo-D3 what I dont get is [15:05]
Diablo-D3 why is that guy against homosexuality? [15:05]
tonikt So if you don't have the full picture, how dare you judging me by one sentence, not even spoken towards you? [15:05]
Diablo-D3 its bad enough we have luke [15:05]
Diablo-D3 Ball licking between two consensual adults is protected by the constitution. [15:05]
kakobrekla where is the judging? [15:05]
Diablo-D3 kakobrekla: implication that ball licking is bad [15:06]
tonikt yep [15:06]
tonikt :) [15:06]
kakobrekla meh [15:06]
tonikt and not seeing it as a metaphore [15:06]
tonikt fi you would have said "kiss ass" instead of "lick balls" - would that sound better to you? [15:07]
tonikt and would that be then acceptable? [15:07]
tonikt or still not...? [15:07]
Diablo-D3 no one is kissing anyone's ass anyhow [15:08]
Diablo-D3 eskimobob and goat are both forum trolls [15:08]
tonikt and btw [15:08]
tonikt ;;getrating EskimoBob [15:08]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User eskimobob, rated since Sat Jun 4 09:35:57 2011. Cumulative rating -3, from 4 total ratings. Received ratings: 2 positive, 2 negative. Sent ratings: 3 positive, 4 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=eskimobob [15:08]
kakobrekla you knew this before you let him be an issuer in assets otc? [15:09]
tonikt No - I gave him the benefit of the doubt [15:10]
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tonikt But as I said: he just blew it a few days later [15:10]
kakobrekla your mistake. [15:10]
tonikt And I don't see any harm done, so I do not understand why you are acting like EskimoBob was a victim and you were his advocate [15:11]
tonikt A minor mistake - and fixed already [15:11]
tonikt No harm done [15:11]
kakobrekla the lack of biz ethics in bitcoin bothers me [15:13]
kakobrekla thats this topic is interesting to me. [15:13]
kakobrekla thats why* [15:13]
tonikt biz ethics - wtf is this? [15:14]
kakobrekla exactly [15:14]
tonikt never heard about anything like this [15:14]
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tonikt why wont you teach me, then? [15:14]
tonikt I have the whole afternoon [15:15]
kakobrekla i dont [15:15]
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tonikt But tell me please, was it more the balls related sentence I spoke to Goat - or the fact that i fixed my mistake and kicked EskimoBob's asset out of my service - which one of the two violated the biz ethics? [15:16]
EskimoBob this drama and unstability is tiresome. I am glad that this little man flipped out so early and not at some later date. Egomaniacs and primadonnas are bad news and annoying [15:16]
Diablo-D3 tonikt: they both trolled you and won [15:16]
EskimoBob I did not troll him at all Diablo-D3 [15:17]
Diablo-D3 EskimoBob: you did too [15:17]
EskimoBob unless you have no idea wtf trolling means Diablo-D3 :) [15:17]
tonikt I dont care about they trolling me [15:17]
tonikt For me its fun [15:17]
EskimoBob how so Diablo-D3 ? [15:17]
tonikt And I dont care about EskimoBob neither Goat [15:17]
Diablo-D3 EskimoBob: you had a legitimate asset listed on his service, correct? [15:17]
tonikt I just wander what does kakobrekla have against me and my ethics? [15:17]
EskimoBob Diablo-D3: yes [15:17]
Diablo-D3 EskimoBob: legitimate assets are considered trolling now [15:17]
EskimoBob tonikt: you have no ethics, obviously [15:18]
EskimoBob OK, Diablo-D3 LOL [15:18]
Diablo-D3 EskimoBob: srsly, ask nefario [15:18]
tonikt EskimoBob: as for your standards, I really hope that you see me like this :) [15:18]
Diablo-D3 dohohohohohohohohoho [15:18]
tonikt a man with no ethics [15:18]
EskimoBob tonikt: are you sure you are a man? [15:19]
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tonikt EskimoBob: why would you care if I'm a man? [15:19]
EskimoBob maybe you are a lonely and angry girl? [15:19]
tonikt You do business with Goats daily [15:19]
EskimoBob do I ? [15:19]
EskimoBob I did not know that [15:19]
tonikt Well, not anymore, after your other hero Nefario shut down the webpage [15:20]
EskimoBob my hero? [15:20]
tonikt But you are still kissing Goats ass [15:20]
EskimoBob are you serious or just trolling? [15:20]
EskimoBob how do I kiss goats ass? [15:20]
tonikt Do I sound serious? [15:20]
EskimoBob Thanking him for a warning? [15:21]
tonikt Ho do you kiss his ass? [15:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33700 @ 0.00043154 = 14.5429 BTC [+] [15:21]
tonikt I just gave you a quote - look above [15:21]
EskimoBob i do not see it tonikt [15:21]
tonikt And I am sure I could find hundreds of such on bitcaoointalk [15:21]
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EskimoBob i thanked him for a warning and that was it. [15:22]
tonikt Then look closer [15:22]
EskimoBob worst thing is, he was RIGHT! you are unstable :) [15:22]
tonikt Oh, I am extremely stable - I just don't do business with crooks [15:23]
tonikt And as soon as I identify one, I just kick him out [15:23]
EskimoBob fuck dude, you are funny little man [15:23]
EskimoBob LOL [15:23]
EskimoBob OK, I am afk now. keep yapping [15:23]
tonikt But for all the other, nobody complains about my stability [15:23]
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mircea_popescu whoa wall of convo [15:23]
mircea_popescu im not reading this backlog >.< [15:24]
EskimoBob stability? you have none to complain about :P [15:24]
mircea_popescu who's tonikt ? [15:24]
tonikt mircea_popescu: assets-otc.com [15:25]
mircea_popescu ahaha ok. [15:26]
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mircea_popescu how's the copycat business? [15:26]
tonikt calm [15:26]
tonikt Definietlly less profitable than yours [15:27]
tonikt I's actually say: a negative profit :) [15:27]
mircea_popescu ya well... [15:28]
tonikt But it does have a future - best security a man can get so after all the other exchanges get hacked, robbed or closed - mine will be the only one left :) [15:28]
tonikt At least that's the plan :) [15:28]
mircea_popescu dude, you're just another misguided youth. [15:28]
tonikt Man, I'm 36 [15:28]
mircea_popescu thinking you can replicate the things by copying what you perceive of their surface. [15:28]
mircea_popescu that's sad. [15:28]
mircea_popescu you should be 18ish. [15:28]
tonikt You obviously dont understand my system if you think I copied your idea [15:28]
mircea_popescu obviously. [15:29]
tonikt I told you: I dont even know what your idea is about [15:29]
mircea_popescu also, you are completely new and surprising, [15:29]
mircea_popescu innovative and will take over the world. [15:29]
mircea_popescu at least... that's the plan. [15:29]
tonikt Well, I cannot be 18 anymore - thats one thing for sure [15:30]
tonikt But as for the rest... we will see [15:30]
tonikt Time will show [15:30]
mircea_popescu english isn't your native tongue is it ? [15:30]
tonikt no [15:30]
tonikt but I can swear in english pretty well :P [15:31]
mircea_popescu you mean curse ? [15:31]
tonikt yes [15:32]
mircea_popescu always a good skill to have. [15:32]
tonikt usually some first words you learn in a language [15:33]
Chaang-Noi Diablo-D3> eskimobob and goat are both forum trolls <--- I troll to make a point.. i have skills :) [15:34]
mircea_popescu so does he. [15:34]
Chaang-Noi this drama and unstability is tiresome. I am glad that this little man flipped out so early and not at some later date. Egomaniacs and primadonnas are bad news and annoying <--- this is why i was trolling, i wanted him to go nuts sooner rather than later [15:35]
mircea_popescu who ?! [15:35]
tonikt oh, they keep exploiting the fact that I kicked out EskimoBob's asset from assets-otc [15:36]
mircea_popescu ;;echo Chaang-Noi who ? [15:36]
gribble Chaang-Noi who ? [15:36]
tonikt like I cared :) [15:36]
kakobrekla oh come on Chaang-Noi, you find a reason in aftermath for everything you do [15:37]
Chaang-Noi no, i even sent a pm about it to scholastic [15:37]
Chaang-Noi im not kidding [15:37]
mircea_popescu jesus there's so much nothing happening in btc every day i find it impossible to keep track [15:37]
mircea_popescu anyone has cliffnotes ? [15:37]
Chaang-Noi as soon as i found out who was running that service i went there to fuck with his head [15:37]
Chaang-Noi kakobrekla read the thread, im clearly trolling with him and trying to provoke him [15:38]
Chaang-Noi he just going nuts on eskimobob was unexpected [15:38]
Chaang-Noi i just assume i would make him look crazy with his conspiricy theorys [15:38]
tonikt EskimoBob: so now you see who to blame - Goat provoked me to kick you out :) [15:38]
Chaang-Noi he did more than i expected but that was my goat... [15:39]
Chaang-Noi gaol* [15:39]
tonikt .... and I just could not stand the pressure the guy put onto me :) [15:39]
Chaang-Noi i dont have you on ignore mircea [15:39]
kakobrekla 14:37.51 ( Chaang-Noi ) as soon as i found out who was running that service i went there to fuck with his head < - so you are saying you had something against tonikt before this drama now? what was it? [15:39]
Chaang-Noi go read the thread, he went into all my asset threads and made silly claims about me selling fake bonds [15:40]
Chaang-Noi he even called neferio and theymos as pat of my bitches [15:40]
Chaang-Noi that they lied for me [15:40]
mircea_popescu so to make a long story short, eskimobobby launched some asset (was it that recording studio thing ?) and tonikt pulled a nefario/goat thing ? [15:40]
Chaang-Noi this guy is a nutter [15:40]
Chaang-Noi yes mircea [15:40]
Chaang-Noi more or less [15:40]
mircea_popescu fascinating. so meta... [15:40]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu :D [15:40]
Chaang-Noi the thing is, we dont know why he did it [15:40]
mircea_popescu what do you mean why ?! TO BE A REAL EXCHANGE [15:41]
Chaang-Noi Kakobrekla you should read the thread, and see all the crazy attacks he has made aginst me [15:41]
tonikt mircea_popescu: unlike you I dont run an exchange [15:41]
kakobrekla i dont have time currently if its not a single post. [15:41]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla didja see live.coinbr btw ? [15:41]
kakobrekla no [15:41]
mircea_popescu mmm was it live.coinbr.com i think [15:42]
kakobrekla aha [15:42]
jurov yes [15:42]
mircea_popescu ya that's it [15:42]
kakobrekla cute :) [15:42]
* kakobrekla approves [15:43]
jurov mircea i really appreciate you puting in faq :) [15:43]
mircea_popescu i dunno, it has all that css ;/ [15:43]
mircea_popescu jurov hehe sure. [15:43]
jurov tonikt, while you are here, can you please explain why you aren't same thing as mpex? [15:44]
tonikt because mpex holds bitcoins [15:45]
Chaang-Noi mpex is trusted and stable :) [15:45]
tonikt while I don't [15:45]
Chaang-Noi tonikt why did you think nefario lied and let me sell "counterfit" bonds? [15:45]
Chaang-Noi why do you keep calling him "my bitch" [15:46]
tonikt I only help to process PGP signed contracts and the bitcoin payments go over the counter [15:46]
Chaang-Noi are you not aware of our relationship? :) [15:46]
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tonikt .. plus lets face it: mpex looks like shit :) [15:46]
tonikt while the UI of my service is pretty intuitive [15:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00043154 = 1.4888 BTC [+] [15:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6559 @ 0.00043237 = 2.8359 BTC [+] [15:47]
jurov tonikt, where is the advantage to selling assets over bitcoin-otc directly? [15:47]
tonikt paying dividends [15:47]
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Chaang-Noi with tonikt you get to trust the assets will be delisted almost at random, lol [15:48]
jurov and talking about UI, bitcoin-otc at least has some order book, do you have one? [15:48]
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tonikt Since the page helps to keep the account balanaces it can help to pay out dividends, proportionally to the share owned [15:48]
tonikt jurov: If you were an asset issuer, you'd definitely prefer to use the system like assets-otc, rather than keep all the books manually [15:49]
tonikt It automates a pretty huge part of the bureaucracy behind bookkeeping [15:50]
jurov okay, that's nice but i'm asking about order book atm. [15:50]
tonikt order book - I just suggest to use the OTC one [15:51]
tonikt why to re-invent the wheel [15:51]
jurov oh, then you are NOT an exchange. just some app to help asset issuers. [15:52]
tonikt exactly [15:52]
tonikt I'm saying it all the time - but people just dont seem to get it [15:53]
tonikt You can store assets at assets-otc, you get a PGP signed receipts, but it is not a trading platform [15:53]
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jurov hm.. wouldn't that work much better as desktop app, at least for asset holders? [15:56]
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tonikt assets-otc is more like a bitcoin wallet, rather than a bitcoin exchange [15:56]
tonikt jurov: isn't a web browser also a desktop app? [15:56]
tonikt plus of course, to handle the service you need a desktop app: GnuPG [15:57]
jurov as seen in the past, some will rather die than to copy/paste text to gpg and paste the result back to browser [15:57]
tonikt I know [15:57]
jurov it shouldn't be hard to streamline [15:57]
tonikt But my service is for other customers [15:58]
tonikt The rkey requirement is: security [15:58]
tonikt Even the dividend payment tool was designed and made in a way that you can use it offline [15:58]
tonikt At a PC that has never been connected to a network [15:59]
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tonikt You just download an archive with the entire history of your assets transaction - it's a zip file with PGP signed contracts inside and the keys [16:00]
tonikt You take this zip file to an offline PC, setup how many BTC you want to pay and run the tool.. [16:00]
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jurov so, dividend issuers have a nice tool they'll need maybe once a month... but end users shall fumble with gpg and browserevery time they trade? [16:01]
* jurov totally approves [16:01]
tonikt And then the tool process the contracts one by one verifying signatures - to calculate the final balance and output a proper sendmany RPC command [16:01]
tonikt jurov: yes [16:01]
tonikt But don't the end users care about the security of their assets? [16:02]
jurov tell me, why should be a desktop app that just calls gpg insecure? [16:02]
tonikt I think they do - and so eventually, after another exchange crashes, they will finally understand that a system like assets-otc is the only ultimatelly secured solution [16:03]
tonikt jurov: I'm not saying that a desktop app would not be secured [16:03]
tonikt but it would be kind of hard to distribute a new desktop app (in binary version, I presume) with the same kind of trust as the old fasion gpg has already [16:04]
tonikt I mean: bitcoin-otc has been using it - so people know how to handle it [16:04]
tonikt At least some people... [16:04]
tonikt I guess you could ask the same question to nanotube: why he did not come out with a desktop app, instead on the bot? [16:05]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25941 @ 0.00043237 = 11.2161 BTC [+] [16:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1759 @ 0.00043324 = 0.7621 BTC [+] [16:12]
tonikt Definitelly assets-otc is not for daily traders [16:12]
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tonikt ... but more for long time investors, who dont mind to copy/past gpg stuff one a month or so, just to make sure that nobody will put hands on their assets/bitcoins during the process [16:13]
tonikt And in practice it's not harder to use it than bitcoin-otc [16:16]
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pigeons ;;rate EskimoBob good dealings [16:56]
gribble Error: 'good' is not a valid integer. [16:56]
pigeons ;;rate EskimoBob 2 good dealings [16:56]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user EskimoBob has been recorded. [16:56]
EskimoBob Thank you pigeons. I have your coin BTW. As you know, tonikt got mad and delisted my project. I am going to look for another listing option. Do you want me to send you back your coin? [17:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00043059 = 3.1433 BTC [-] [17:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23319 @ 0.00043052 = 10.0393 BTC [-] [17:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00042888 = 4.7606 BTC [-] [17:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 781 @ 0.00042837 = 0.3346 BTC [-] [17:04]
pigeons I'd prefer if you issue an OT contract, even if its on an OT server i have to setup [17:06]
pigeons we'll figure something out [17:06]
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EskimoBob tonikt: you forgot to mention that your security = delisted at any time you are in a bad mood [17:11]
EskimoBob jurov: OT has all that functionality with 2 major differences - you can not be delisted by a moody joker and it has quoting system [17:12]
EskimoBob pigeons: I think I am going the OT way and I'll find someone who issues the BTC derivative or do it myself as a market maker [17:13]
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EskimoBob I am going to use the contract I have up in the forum and the divs will be around 20% a year [17:14]
EskimoBob or more [17:14]
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* EskimoBob laughs because he got a live lesson on "do not trust moody jokers" [17:16]
Diablo-D3 heh, I got that lesson with nefario =/ [17:18]
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EskimoBob Nefario is another type of asshole. This pior_n fuck just wasted my time :) [17:19]
EskimoBob if we get the securities out of the GLBSE, we can move on but assets-otc is out for good. It offers nothing that OT can not [17:21]
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Diablo-D3 heh [17:23]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00042851 = 16.1977 BTC [+] [17:29]
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