Forum logs for 21 Nov 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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Guest26114 any idea why this happens? its me mod6: [00:20]
Guest26114 (14:18) [freenode] (!) Nick mod6 is temporarily unavailable [00:21]
Guest26114 i re-auth'd with nickserv.. but i can't seem to /nick mod6 successfully [00:21]
mircea_popescu need to ghost it [00:21]
Guest26114 hmm, maybe just need to disconn [00:21]
nickserv ghost mod6 [00:21]
-NickServ- mod6 is not online. [00:21]
mircea_popescu /msg nickserv ghost mod6 [00:21]
mircea_popescu then release it [00:21]
mircea_popescu then you can nick [00:21]
Guest26114 weird [00:23]
Guest26114 (14:22) -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- mod6 is not online. [00:23]
Guest26114 ok, i'll just disconnect and reconnect. [00:23]
Guest26114 weird [00:23]
Guest26114 i totally didn't even know I wasn't auth'd then boom [00:23]
Guest26114 im like Guest696969 [00:23]
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jurov ;;rate mircea_popescu 4 "has coolest btc enterprise and is really helpful" [00:27]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 4 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded. [00:27]
jurov i completely forgot i didn't rate you yet [00:28]
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mircea_popescu o hey. cool :D [00:30]
mod6 yeah, its all good. i forgot about the nickserv 'release' command [00:31]
mod6 heheheh [00:31]
mircea_popescu wb :p [00:32]
mod6 :D thx! [00:33]
mod6 it was like, your 30 seconds are up mod6. *BLOOOOOP* [00:33]
mod6 im glad some of us are good this irc thing [00:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19750 @ 0.00050281 = 9.9305 BTC [-] [00:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126 @ 0.000503 = 0.0634 BTC [+] [00:35]
mod6 i was like, "Ummmm" [00:35]
mod6 RELEASE MY NICK?! WAIT DID SOMEONE TRY TO HAXoR ME?! [00:36]
mod6 funny [00:36]
smickles mircea_popescu: still no word from rg/grubles [00:37]
mod6 OH [00:37]
mircea_popescu smickles hm. [00:38]
mod6 err, nm... anyway. I also made a #BitOTTer channel for technical discussion [00:38]
mod6 i figure, it'll keep my spam out of these trade channels :] [00:39]
mircea_popescu how;s it coming along ? [00:42]
mod6 well, i've been workin on it quite a bit. [00:43]
mod6 kinda not so ciked about the way this KeyStore thing is working out [00:43]
mod6 or at least, its been a bit harder than I expected. i've done a bunch and it now creates a keystore (or loads an existing one) [00:44]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 2 @ 0.12 = 0.24 BTC [-] [00:45]
mod6 basically takes a PublicKey and PrivateKey and stores them in a KeyPair object, when then can be used to create an X509 cert that can be then inserted and extracted from the KeyStore itself. [00:45]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P120T] 31 @ 0.09208812 = 2.8547 BTC [-] [00:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3579 @ 0.000503 = 1.8002 BTC [+] [00:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22072 @ 0.000503 = 11.1022 BTC [+] [00:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2649 @ 0.00050303 = 1.3325 BTC [+] [00:46]
mod6 anyway... its all technical stuff basically but... im having a hard time getting the private key back out for use [00:47]
mircea_popescu i c [00:47]
mod6 many examples show how to makes this work, but not anylonger because the main way to do this is now deprecated [00:47]
mod6 lol, joke is on mod6 [00:47]
mod6 so... im kinda thinking, this is way to much effort for just a first release, can I not just use a symmetric key algo to enc the privkey on the local filestore? [00:48]
mod6 then just decrypt into memory when needed, but never writing it to disk. [00:49]
kakobreklaaa what is this about? [00:50]
mod6 haha, see. its all good kakobreklaaa you don't need to worry. [00:50]
mod6 just some technical bs about my bikeshed [00:50]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=127007.0 looky! another one! [00:51]
mircea_popescu anyone wants to bet there will be > 100 new btc/fiat exchange websites in 2013? [00:51]
mircea_popescu mod6 i guess you could, as long as the user knows about this. [00:52]
mircea_popescu heck, the original wallet.dat was plaintext for > 1 year. [00:52]
jurov mod6, bitcoinspinner does not encrypt the keys at all [00:53]
mod6 right on. no matter what happens, I'll make sure the PrivateKey ring file will be protected [00:54]
jurov and upon pointed to it, Jan proposed to have two keys on paper backup and alternate them [00:54]
mod6 jurov: hmm! i didn't know that. they really should be just to save a guy if his device gets stolen or hacked. [00:54]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21349 @ 0.00050304 = 10.7394 BTC [+] [00:55]
mod6 I wanna make sure that if anyone uses BitOTTer that they know their key they put on the device is safe at lesat if the device is stolen or hacked [00:55]
jurov i started to be interested cause my phone got back from warranty prepair with completely replaced mobo [00:56]
jurov *repair [00:56]
mod6 i have a screen now where the user goes in and sets the private key for the KeyStore, etc. but now I think I'm just gonna make that be the symmetric key for like AES or something [00:56]
mod6 i've already got a java one written actually. heck, its even open source. [00:57]
mod6 everything will be well documented in BitOTTer so the users will know what they are setting and what stuff means in the application [00:59]
mod6 this will take some time, but I want to get this into the hands of a few people who'd like to test it before the end of the year. [00:59]
mod6 its really getting close. i don't wanna let this damn keystore hold me back when I can just use something else. [01:00]
mod6 anyway guys, I gotta run along to something else quick. i'll try to save the elaborations on that for #BitOTTer in the future. thx. [01:00]
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mircea_popescu and upon pointed to it, Jan proposed to have two keys on paper backup and alternate them << lol that one's good [01:05]
mod6 ok. to be a bit more spacific, and the documentation will reflect this... i'll encrypt the private key on the local file store. [01:16]
mod6 the users PGP PublicKey and MPEx PublicKey can stay as they are. no need to do anything with those at all. [01:17]
mod6 the code can read them in either keyring format or ascii armor'd output format [01:17]
mod6 base64 [01:18]
mircea_popescu well ya public ketys are publioc [01:18]
mod6 yeah, im not sure whatever Jan or whomever was talking about. just want to be clear about that I'm doing :) [01:18]
jurov here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=53353.msg1343738#msg1343738 [01:20]
mod6 hmmm... well, this wont be a 6 digit pin like that [01:22]
mod6 what I was thinking about using is currently a class that implements 256bit AES [01:24]
mod6 use that... maybe in a future release i can get the keystore thing working better, or change it so the user might be able to select from a variety of different algos to use [01:25]
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jurov you want to improve over gpg passphrase? how? [01:25]
mod6 huh? i think we misunderstand eachother [01:26]
mod6 i don't want to replace the gpg passphrase... im saying that the user can set a seperate passphrase to encrypt the unencrypted privatekey file on the filestore [01:26]
jurov you may find useful to look into KeePass code than [01:27]
mod6 then when the user goes to trade, they'll need to enter their passphrase to decrypt the encrypted private key stored on the file system so the application can decipher the return tx statements from mpex [01:27]
mircea_popescu jurov i think maybe what he means is, have a sluttysally and a properpolly code. [01:28]
mircea_popescu you usually keep the slut loaded, but periodically load the safe one and move coins there [01:28]
mod6 im using spongy castle to read in the PGP keys, I then have to convert them to be able to use them outside of its context, it gets hairy [01:29]
mircea_popescu sorta like an awkward cold/hot wallet arrangement [01:29]
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mod6 yeah, in this situation that im setting up for the user, the user will have to do this: 1) copy the 3 pgp keys onto the device [01:30]
mod6 2) start BitOTTer and enter the path's to the keys. [01:31]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18162 @ 0.00050313 = 9.1378 BTC [+] [01:31]
mod6 3) set the seperate password for the private key [01:31]
mod6 3a) encrypt private key and save output to localfile store [01:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22238 @ 0.00050313 = 11.1886 BTC [+] [01:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9712 @ 0.00050314 = 4.8865 BTC [+] [01:32]
mod6 4) notify the user to delete unencrypted private key file [01:32]
mod6 or the user could do it if so desired [01:32]
mod6 i could write that in also... anyway. then the key will be safe... at least it'll be encrypted if the device is hacked/stolen [01:33]
jurov that means two mpex accts? [01:33]
mod6 and then you can say, "THANKS MOD6!" instead of "FUUUUUUUUU MOD6!" [01:33]
mod6 nope. just your 1 regular account. [01:34]
mircea_popescu jurov for bitcoinspinner ?! [01:34]
jurov what? we're talking about bitotter now, no? [01:34]
mircea_popescu i guess i got confused [01:34]
mod6 currently to trade @ mpex you must be able to clearsign,and enrypt a message - decryption is helpful too!! - this requires the 3 keys I was talking about [01:35]
mircea_popescu anyway, mod6 : all this effort is not misplaced. I expect as bitcoins catch momentum that iphones/etc will be stolen for the btc content, much like wallets today [01:35]
mod6 oh for sure. it'll be risky to probably keep any large amts on a mobile device [01:36]
mod6 and your MPEx private key should be vastly important to you -- so trying to give the user a layer of extra protection [01:36]
mod6 what i have code for now, and was trying to make work successfully was getting these three keys into a KeyStore for use as needed [01:37]
mod6 but... hitting some issues with getting the private key back out -- hopefully I can whip up something different. [01:38]
mod6 then put out that alpha release I've been talking about for forever. once that happens, I can get some feed back from all the users and make good changes based upon feeback [01:38]
jurov yes, i appreciate that effort too [01:38]
mod6 thanks :] [01:38]
mod6 its been a lot of fun coding it. [01:39]
jurov and do you have some business model, too? [01:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3618 @ 0.00050314 = 1.8204 BTC [+] [01:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14732 @ 0.00050315 = 7.4124 BTC [+] [01:39]
jurov like, paid app with some extras [01:39]
mod6 Well, I had been wrestling with this for a while, but what I thought would be a good idea was if people use me for the referal program at MPEx, they can get BitOTTer to download and also save some on the MPEx registration as I'll kick them back 2.5 BTC [01:40]
mod6 at least that was what was planned a while ago. I want to kinda get a alpha/beta program going [01:41]
jurov of course, but it's necessary to collect ideas. i'd also suggest scripting ability for paid version [01:42]
mod6 hmm. scripting? [01:42]
mod6 sounds neat, but i'm not sure how you mean. [01:42]
mod6 OH [01:42]
mod6 like atomated trades? [01:43]
jurov yes maybe [01:43]
mod6 I see... very exciting feature to be implemented for sure. [01:43]
mod6 I plan to add charting and graphing and all kinds of neato stuff actually. [01:43]
mod6 I honestly hope to turn BitOTTer into a fulltime thing if all goes well. [01:44]
jurov or at least periodic fetching of new transactions and notifying the user [01:44]
mod6 oh for sure. [01:44]
mod6 im so excited for the JSONSTAT cmd, thats the only other thing I need to implement really. [01:44]
mod6 just a screen that displays the results from that [01:44]
mod6 and then we have a first release. much more to go from there, but it'll allow a user to trade, send commands and see the VWAP and Depth [01:45]
mod6 i'll be stoked to use it from the car, or wherever. have you ever seen an MPEx trade fly by on twitter and wish you were home to but in a bid? lol [01:46]
mod6 s/but/put/ [01:46]
mod6 thanks for your input jurov [01:48]
mod6 i'm gonna run and grab some foodz0r [01:49]
jurov you're welcome. while i just login to coinbr and do stuff, having app would be nice. [01:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00050309 = 9.8606 BTC [-] [01:49]
mod6 :) [01:49]
mircea_popescu mod6 in principle having a programmable bot with preset and also configurable strategies could be a nice add-on [01:49]
mircea_popescu not alpha material, but eventually. [01:49]
mircea_popescu also, accounting for the user. [01:50]
mod6 ahh, ok. [01:50]
mod6 sure..i see what you're getting at. these are great things, looking forward to talking about that more as the time comes. [01:50]
mircea_popescu just letting you know that you're gonna be working on this well into 2015 lol [01:50]
mod6 haha, thats awesome. [01:51]
jurov hehe yes.. and don't let your gpg keys expire :P [01:51]
mod6 haha, i set mine to expire in ... [01:51]
mod6 2014? [01:51]
mod6 haha, i'll have to change the expiration or whatever, no big deal [01:52]
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mod6 i guess in the past i've had other pgp keys, i think they just expired and I made new ones... [01:52]
mircea_popescu mod6 very big deal. mpex doesn't read the internets. [01:52]
mod6 oh ok, I'll just have to make a new acct then. [01:53]
mod6 no worries though. [01:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00050309 = 2.3645 BTC [-] [01:53]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16612 @ 0.00050329 = 8.3607 BTC [+] [01:53]
jurov 50btc for a new acct may be a worry for some people [01:53]
jurov but not for us by 2014. i wholeheartedly agree. [01:54]
mod6 yeah, mine expires in august of 2014 [01:54]
mod6 yeah, to be honest, i actually meant to make a new one like 50x before it went up to 30. [01:55]
mod6 i just haven't because i guess i didn't wanna step on my own toes. [01:55]
mod6 but my lazyness has cost me 1bn satoshi's [01:56]
mod6 DONT LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOU, SIGN UP NAO [01:56]
mod6 i better get one tonight and heed my own advice. [01:56]
mircea_popescu lol [01:56]
mod6 mircea_popescu: don't raise it before later tonight lol [01:56]
mircea_popescu ok. [01:57]
mod6 ok cool. im gonna get some food. bbl [01:57]
mod6 :D [01:57]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29314 @ 0.00050348 = 14.759 BTC [+] [02:12]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=25137.msg311962#msg311962 [02:26]
mircea_popescu offered in july 2011 for 100 btc, still for sale in nov 2012 for... 100btc [02:26]
mircea_popescu take that, inflation. [02:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2686 @ 0.00050348 = 1.3523 BTC [+] [02:27]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: oh? [02:32]
Diablo-D3 oh [02:34]
Diablo-D3 its usagi [02:34]
mircea_popescu :) [02:34]
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Diablo-D3 okay so [02:46]
Diablo-D3 apparently basic will ship soon [02:47]
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Diablo-D3 I wonder if I can buy one [02:48]
Namjies mircea_popescu, read my earlier comment? [03:00]
Namjies [12:53] So... apparently, nefario started to send out asset lists... [03:01]
Namjies [12:57] Mircea, you might actually have to find someone to buy ASICMINER shares from. [03:01]
Diablo-D3 no [03:01]
Diablo-D3 friedcat wants to setup an exchange just for his assets [03:02]
Diablo-D3 so he wont have to FIND them [03:02]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8014 @ 0.00050348 = 4.0349 BTC [+] [03:08]
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Namjies Well works too... [03:08]
Namjies If shares don't start being traded between people/on an exchange again, I was kissing goodbye to over 1000 Asicminer shares [03:08]
Namjies on december the 19th [03:09]
mircea_popescu Namjies hehe maybe so. [03:10]
Diablo-D3 Namjies: er, kissing goodbye? [03:10]
Diablo-D3 why? [03:10]
Diablo-D3 the shares dont go away because you cant trade them [03:10]
mircea_popescu a debatable point. [03:10]
Diablo-D3 no I mean friedcat is already honoring them even without the lists [03:11]
Namjies I had a contract with Mircea, he borrowed shares [03:11]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 this is about a private deal, not much to do with friedcat really. [03:11]
Diablo-D3 oh, so you two just fucked shit up? lol. [03:11]
Namjies No, the deal said should shares no longer be tradeable, a token payment of 1 BTC would be offered. [03:12]
Namjies It was a clause in the contract. [03:12]
Diablo-D3 or... [03:13]
Diablo-D3 about a tenth what they're worth [03:13]
mircea_popescu actually it said "discontinued or no longer traded" [03:13]
mircea_popescu polimedia.us/bitcoin/mphf.txt you can read it there. [03:13]
Namjies Would you like to debate the point right away Mircea? [03:13]
mircea_popescu nope. [03:14]
Diablo-D3 I think you have to wait to see what friedcat is going to do first [03:14]
mircea_popescu what's to debate ? just pointed out what the contract said. [03:14]
Namjies Aye. [03:14]
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Diablo-D3 okay so, did friedcat do preorders for his shit? or is he just selling them straight? [03:14]
Namjies preorders? [03:15]
Diablo-D3 yes, like bfl and basic and avalon has [03:15]
mircea_popescu he did a 200k offering at .1 each dont you remember ? [03:15]
Namjies Did he sell the whole 20000 shares to get 200k? [03:16]
Namjies 200000* [03:16]
Namjies Can't remember [03:17]
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mircea_popescu iirc it was eventually sold out. [03:17]
Diablo-D3 Namjies: yes [03:17]
Diablo-D3 Im not talking the shares here [03:18]
Diablo-D3 Im talking the actual mining units [03:18]
mircea_popescu he was planning to never sekll them [03:19]
mircea_popescu just mine [03:19]
Diablo-D3 thats not true [03:19]
Diablo-D3 he plans on selling them [03:19]
mircea_popescu o ? [03:20]
Diablo-D3 yes, just not as a full time thing for the first batch [03:20]
Namjies It's a mix. Self-mining and selling units. [03:21]
kakobreklaaa Milkshake. [03:21]
Namjies ASICMINER shares get their .10 paid in dividends in full first from all profits. [03:21]
Diablo-D3 yes [03:21]
Diablo-D3 but Im still interested in buying units [03:22]
Namjies Then it's shared. I don't remember what percentage of the profits the shares actually represent. [03:22]
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mircea_popescu half was it ? [03:25]
Diablo-D3 no, more than half [03:26]
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mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/a-message-to-bitcoin-wanna-be-scammers/ [04:17]
mircea_popescu here's one that should prolly be passed around a bit. [04:17]
Azelphur mircea_popescu: not just pies in face, the SEC are after him [04:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11083 @ 0.00050362 = 5.5816 BTC [+] [04:21]
mircea_popescu right. [04:21]
smickles lol, 3rd most view page on my blog... /xmlrpc.php [04:22]
mircea_popescu usually the case [04:22]
Azelphur mircea_popescu: I actually have an interview with the SEC folks coming up next week, I offered to give them any info I have [04:23]
mircea_popescu cool. [04:25]
mircea_popescu kinda makes the entire point strongert [04:26]
mircea_popescu you don't just get pies in the face, you get pies in the ass too. [04:26]
smickles those would be cream pies? [04:26]
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mircea_popescu yes. mancream. [04:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2917 @ 0.00050362 = 1.4691 BTC [+] [04:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00050365 = 6.3208 BTC [+] [04:37]
Azelphur hehe [04:45]
Azelphur math question, if I'm arbitrating bitcoins, and I have a database with all my trades in it (buy and sell) how do I calculate my profits? is it the difference between average rate * total amount on buy and sell orders? [04:47]
mircea_popescu well no ? [04:48]
Azelphur :( [04:48]
mircea_popescu balance of your btc position start and end + balance of your fiat position start and end [04:48]
mircea_popescu - all you paid for btc added together + all you were paid for btc added togheter [04:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27331 @ 0.00050372 = 13.7672 BTC [+] [04:48]
mircea_popescu all this in the same currency of account. [04:48]
Azelphur I don't keep business accounts separate from personal, so that ain't gonna work :P [04:49]
mircea_popescu then your averages might give you a rough idea. [04:49]
Azelphur fun [04:49]
mircea_popescu but! [04:49]
mircea_popescu you make the averages, substract one from the other [04:50]
mircea_popescu then multiply with the smaller of the two volumes [04:50]
Azelphur yea, that's what I was planning on doing [04:50]
mircea_popescu aite. [04:50]
Azelphur sum(sell_rate)/num(sell_rate) * sell_total_amount - sum(buy_rate)/num(buy_rate) * buy_total_amount [04:50]
Azelphur was what I was thinking would yield the answer :P [04:51]
mircea_popescu tsk. i just said that's not it [04:51]
Azelphur oh o.O [04:52]
mircea_popescu (sum(sell_rate)/num(sell_rate) - sum(buy_rate)/num) * min (buy, sell ammts) [04:52]
Azelphur I see [04:52]
mircea_popescu http://io9.com/5959762/scientists-demonstrate-perfect-invisibility-cloak-in-the-lab [04:57]
mircea_popescu holy. [04:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00050372 = 5.4905 BTC [+] [04:59]
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MrTiggr its only microwave invisibility though isnt it ? not visible spectrum ... and only centimetre or less sized items [05:01]
MrTiggr if thats the same article i read ;) [05:01]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8568 @ 0.0005038 = 4.3166 BTC [+] [05:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.0005038 = 18.691 BTC [+] [05:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.0005038 = 6.7761 BTC [+] [05:20]
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mircea_popescu MrTiggr yea. [05:24]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27988 @ 0.00050382 = 14.1009 BTC [+] [05:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4882 @ 0.00050397 = 2.4604 BTC [+] [05:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5237 @ 0.00050397 = 2.6393 BTC [+] [05:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00050398 = 4.3846 BTC [+] [05:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14745 @ 0.00050399 = 7.4313 BTC [+] [05:43]
smickles http://blog.smickles.com/society/the-need-to-know-why/ << if you want to read more of my writing [05:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22346 @ 0.00050399 = 11.2622 BTC [+] [05:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7704 @ 0.00050404 = 3.8831 BTC [+] [05:55]
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mircea_popescu smickles : i got two trackbacks, one from https [06:17]
mircea_popescu which has a bad certificate to boot. [06:17]
smickles mircea_popescu: huh, it must do one automatically, and the https i have set up is just for me [06:20]
smickles so i don't broadcast my password in the clear [06:20]
mircea_popescu ya well... better look into it maybe ? [06:20]
smickles it's self signed? [06:20]
smickles i sent a track back manually, prolly the https one, i'll refrain in the future ;) [06:21]
mircea_popescu hehe it's not signed in any way, it's just a trackback that links to a https address [06:22]
mircea_popescu prolly was the manual one. [06:22]
mircea_popescu and i'm awaiting moderation!!1 [06:22]
smickles heh, moderated mircea_popescu [06:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15731 @ 0.00050401 = 7.9286 BTC [+] [06:23]
smickles mircea_popescu: i can sign and send you the cert to import if you are actually concerned about the state of https on my blog ;) [06:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34787 @ 0.00050392 = 17.5299 BTC [-] [06:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14713 @ 0.00050394 = 7.4145 BTC [+] [06:43]
smickles ;;google smickles [06:45]
gribble Urban Dictionary: proper smickles: ; Mike Carver (smickles) on Twitter: ; smickles (Michael Carver) · GitHub: [06:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2927 @ 0.00050394 = 1.475 BTC [+] [06:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11823 @ 0.00050401 = 5.9589 BTC [+] [06:45]
smickles not yet, but front page already [06:45]
mircea_popescu lol [06:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20896 @ 0.00050401 = 10.5318 BTC [+] [06:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3154 @ 0.00050404 = 1.5897 BTC [+] [06:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10792 @ 0.00050404 = 5.4396 BTC [+] [07:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7108 @ 0.00050405 = 3.5828 BTC [+] [07:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1133 @ 0.00050367 = 0.5707 BTC [-] [07:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22367 @ 0.00050349 = 11.2616 BTC [-] [07:10]
smickles https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=87094.msg1338178#msg1338178 << day after day of selling out of coins [07:20]
Azelphur smickles: http://blog.glbse.com/issuers-being-given-shareholder-lists :O [07:24]
Azelphur woot [07:24]
smickles Azelphur: yeah, good news :) [07:25]
smickles too bad it didn't come much earlier [07:25]
smickles it would've been a lot less drama and bullshit [07:25]
smickles and I don't understand the limit of 3-4 per day [07:26]
Azelphur me either [07:26]
smickles also, his metric for 'largest assets' is probably wonked [07:26]
Azelphur true, but at 3-4 a day you can't be too far down the list [07:31]
Azelphur there isn't exactly that many assets [07:31]
smickles Azelphur: actually, if he's using the same sort that he used to display the full asset list, it'll be well over a week till us [07:31]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00050401 = 7.1065 BTC [+] [07:34]
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mircea_popescu afaik only giga's were released no ? [07:45]
* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [13:42]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: http://polimedia.us/mpex || https://coinbr.com || https://cryptostocks.com || https://icbit.se || https://therocktrading.com || https://assets-otc.com || https://www.havelockinvestments.com || list bot commands: !help || Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades || Net Chart: http://bit.ly/RPclBi [13:42]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Thu Nov 8 15:00:02 2012 [13:42]
jurov Diablo-D3, i like bitstamp [13:50]
mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/13k4vx/a_message_to_bitcoin_wannabe_scammers/ [13:51]
jurov did not collect statically significant data on reliability, tho :P [13:51]
mircea_popescu every1 plz voet!!!one [13:51]
mircea_popescu jurov seems pretty much everyone likes bitstamp, unless they fuck up they'll be #2 in short order. [13:52]
jurov *statistically [derp] [13:52]
jurov http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/the-circlejerk/ is also reddit-worthy material :D [13:54]
mircea_popescu lol [13:54]
mircea_popescu the problem i think is if each trilema article ends up there they'll prolly ban me or something [13:54]
jurov hehe... no reason to. Unless all articles were submitted by the same user, which isn't the case. [13:58]
Diablo-D3 well [13:58]
Diablo-D3 hrm [13:58]
Diablo-D3 I dunno [13:58]
Diablo-D3 I dont want DMC to die, really [13:58]
mircea_popescu jurov i'm no expert, jus' sayin'. [13:59]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 how many glbse assets you figure will get 0 claims ? [13:59]
mircea_popescu as in, nobody of the people who sent email of w/e had any shares in them [13:59]
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mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1348455#msg1348455 << deprived is pretty much the official usagi body slam community representative. [14:00]
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Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: who knows [14:10]
Diablo-D3 btw, is this when I cut off valid claims? [14:10]
Diablo-D3 like, when I get the list, is that the final defacto list and if you're not on it you're boned? [14:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23427 @ 0.00050449 = 11.8187 BTC [-] [14:11]
mircea_popescu that question is thorny. [14:11]
mircea_popescu i dunno what to say. if you get the list, someone not on it throws a shitfit and claims nefario made a mistake i literally do not know what i'd do. [14:11]
mircea_popescu i suppose it's one of those things gigavps is paying counsel for. [14:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3323 @ 0.00050449 = 1.6764 BTC [-] [14:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32350 @ 0.00050454 = 16.3219 BTC [+] [14:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00050473 = 5.0473 BTC [+] [14:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9537 @ 0.00050484 = 4.8147 BTC [+] [14:12]
Diablo-D3 yeah, I dont know what to do either [14:12]
Diablo-D3 because I hired nefario to do a job [14:12]
Diablo-D3 and he didnt do it [14:12]
Diablo-D3 and then everyone jumped up my ass on the thread because I said exactly that [14:13]
Diablo-D3 the contract with glbse was between dmc and glbse, he was paid x btc to register the asset. [14:13]
Diablo-D3 the moment he closed doors he was in default of that contract [14:13]
mircea_popescu well maybe. [14:17]
mircea_popescu it's not clear what exactly the contract was, but probably what you say can be claimed as an implicit agreement [14:17]
mircea_popescu it'd be a duty of care / fiduciary breach not a contract breach [14:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.000505 = 6.0095 BTC [+] [14:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3734 @ 0.00050507 = 1.8859 BTC [+] [14:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9316 @ 0.0005051 = 4.7055 BTC [+] [14:18]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: same difference in the end [14:18]
Diablo-D3 and I cant sue him because DMC just doesnt have the resources for that [14:18]
Diablo-D3 Im glad giga scared him straight, none of the rest of us have the money for it [14:18]
mircea_popescu tbh : he as far as we know gave "sort-of" a list to giga [14:19]
mircea_popescu and nobody else [14:19]
mircea_popescu it's been 2-3 days, there's not 12 assets released. [14:19]
mircea_popescu so... [14:19]
mircea_popescu this may all be premature. not saying it is, just... you know, nefario. [14:19]
Diablo-D3 yeah =/ [14:20]
Diablo-D3 I wonder if I should just go start dmc 2.0 and try again [14:20]
Diablo-D3 just let the dmc 1.0 shit sit in a seperate legal container all by itself [14:20]
Diablo-D3 I dont know though [14:22]
Diablo-D3 like, they say when doing the tech startup game, you're supposed to get right back on the horse [14:22]
mircea_popescu i guess the bar to attract finance has raised considerably [14:22]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31151 @ 0.0005051 = 15.7344 BTC [+] [14:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7592 @ 0.00050511 = 3.8348 BTC [+] [14:26]
Diablo-D3 I dont think I want shareholders this time [14:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6540 @ 0.00050492 = 3.3022 BTC [-] [14:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00050412 = 12.7542 BTC [-] [14:29]
mircea_popescu well then that's a different story. [14:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00050405 = 7.9136 BTC [-] [14:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17575 @ 0.00050401 = 8.858 BTC [-] [14:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22783 @ 0.00050377 = 11.4774 BTC [-] [14:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5665 @ 0.0005037 = 2.8535 BTC [-] [14:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33750 @ 0.00050347 = 16.9921 BTC [-] [14:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00050341 = 7.4001 BTC [-] [14:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7987 @ 0.0005032 = 4.0191 BTC [-] [14:29]
Diablo-D3 well, whats wrong with doing bonds with maturity dates like 5 years from now? [14:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20650 @ 0.00050511 = 10.4305 BTC [+] [14:35]
mircea_popescu bonds are usually based on something. [14:38]
mircea_popescu junk bonds i guess. it's how las vegas was built. [14:38]
Diablo-D3 yeah, but we need something [14:38]
Diablo-D3 digitally signed bonds could work [14:38]
Diablo-D3 like, people buy them, I send them a pgp signed blob [14:39]
Diablo-D3 and then they can sell them to other people if they want [14:39]
Diablo-D3 and whoever has them by the date of maturity can send them back to me for payment [14:39]
Diablo-D3 no need for an exchange in any real sense [14:40]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: so Im thinking a non-callable zero-coupon bond [14:42]
Diablo-D3 makes it nice and simple [14:42]
mircea_popescu what sense does that make ? he who sent the blob can still claim on it [14:45]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19292 @ 0.0005052 = 9.7463 BTC [+] [14:49]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: yeah, but they'd need to also pgp sign it notating who it was sent to [14:55]
mircea_popescu that'll be fun, if one blob makes it through 50-100 people. [14:56]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18371 @ 0.0005032 = 9.2443 BTC [-] [14:57]
Diablo-D3 well, it wouldnt be a problem [14:57]
Diablo-D3 you'd sign the signed message to do it [14:58]
Diablo-D3 so I'd just write a sh script that just keeps running pgp over and over [14:58]
Diablo-D3 stripping away each layer [14:58]
mircea_popescu yeah [14:59]
mircea_popescu kinda makes it hard for the 50th user to see if the thing he's being sold is valid. [14:59]
mircea_popescu esp if he can't write code. [14:59]
Diablo-D3 I'd just put a page up somewhere that does it [14:59]
mircea_popescu that may be worth doing just on general principle. [15:00]
Diablo-D3 upload your text file, it recursively pgps [15:00]
mircea_popescu it'd be a decent utility to have in general. [15:00]
kakobreklaaa heh bitstamp yea [15:00]
kakobreklaaa its a good bait [15:00]
kakobreklaaa i know im safe as long nobody is going after them [15:00]
Diablo-D3 actually, I wonder if pgp already can recursively check [15:00]
mircea_popescu not afaik [15:00]
mircea_popescu kakobreklaaa how do you mean ? [15:01]
kakobreklaaa well [15:01]
kakobreklaaa if someone sticks a nose in and tries to tax em or whatever simmilar [15:01]
kakobreklaaa i will smell trouble before it hits me [15:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1742 @ 0.0005032 = 0.8766 BTC [-] [15:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5960 @ 0.00050307 = 2.9983 BTC [-] [15:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22898 @ 0.00050307 = 11.5193 BTC [-] [15:02]
kakobreklaaa same country and shit [15:02]
kakobreklaaa and there is no regulation about it ofc. [15:02]
Diablo-D3 yeah, I dont think I have to worry about legal regulations on issuing these bonds [15:02]
kakobreklaaa well bitstamp is operating with eur and usd [15:03]
mircea_popescu o, they're in slovakia ? [15:03]
kakobreklaaa slovenia [15:03]
mircea_popescu a a sorry. [15:03]
Diablo-D3 its up to the bond holder to report his taxes, right? [15:04]
kakobreklaaa remember, i was at that connference in slovenia [15:04]
kakobreklaaa where they showed up [15:04]
kakobreklaaa kids [15:04]
Diablo-D3 hrm hey mircea_popescu [15:05]
mircea_popescu o yea. [15:05]
Diablo-D3 you do pass through shit on mpex right? [15:05]
mircea_popescu depends what you mean by that. [15:05]
Diablo-D3 well like, what would stop you from buying, say, 50 thousand bonds, and then issuing 50 thousand shares of passthrough? [15:06]
mircea_popescu stop me ? nothing'd stop me. [15:07]
mircea_popescu i am unstoppable. [15:07]
Diablo-D3 you know what I mean though [15:07]
mircea_popescu not rly ? [15:07]
Diablo-D3 well, would it be a viable way of doing this [15:07]
Diablo-D3 multiple exchanges could trade the bonds as passthrough shares [15:08]
Diablo-D3 so no need to do massive pgp chains since they'd never exit the exchange [15:08]
mircea_popescu in principle. [15:08]
Diablo-D3 I like the multiple exchange part [15:09]
jurov whole pgp chain thing has one problem, i can send the same bonds properly signed to two different people [15:10]
jurov how do they verify no one other has them? [15:10]
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Diablo-D3 jurov: they cant. [15:10]
jurov moving to that exchange level doesn't really solve that. the exchanges must trust each other anyway [15:11]
Diablo-D3 well, the exchanges probably wouldnt buy or sell them beyond the initial asset creation [15:12]
jurov "probably"... even if they are honest, what if clients want to do arbitrage? [15:13]
Diablo-D3 assets do not need to have that. [15:13]
jurov orly? you say that like we exhausted all options, that is not the case. you can look into opentransactions or colored coins maybe. [15:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18795 @ 0.00050531 = 9.4973 BTC [+] [15:15]
Diablo-D3 hrm [15:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00050542 = 11.1698 BTC [+] [15:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24426 @ 0.00050542 = 12.3454 BTC [+] [15:15]
Diablo-D3 actually [15:15]
Diablo-D3 I wonder if you COULD do a bitcoin chain that does bonds [15:16]
kakobreklaaa i'm bond, bitcoin bond. [15:19]
Diablo-D3 no mr bond, I want you to die. [15:19]
kakobreklaaa :( [15:19]
Diablo-D3 lol [15:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7843 @ 0.00050996 = 3.9996 BTC [+] [15:21]
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* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: http://polimedia.us/mpex || https://coinbr.com || https://cryptostocks.com || https://icbit.se || https://therocktrading.com || https://assets-otc.com || https://www.havelockinvestments.com || list bot commands: !help || Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades || Net Chart: http://bit.ly/RPclBi [15:41]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Thu Nov 8 15:00:02 2012 [15:41]
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jurov s.mpoe whooops [15:45]
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mircea_popescu did i miss something ? [15:52]
mircea_popescu jeez it's heating up isnt it. [15:52]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 909 @ 0.00051143 = 0.4649 BTC [-] [15:52]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9155 @ 0.00050307 = 4.6056 BTC [-] [15:56]
mircea_popescu i wonder if colored coins are racist. [15:59]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00050604 = 7.5147 BTC [-] [16:48]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43000 @ 0.00051 = 21.93 BTC [+] [16:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00050604 = 6.0725 BTC [-] [17:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7306 @ 0.00050371 = 3.6801 BTC [-] [17:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12576 @ 0.00050307 = 6.3266 BTC [-] [17:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6380 @ 0.00050307 = 3.2096 BTC [-] [17:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19270 @ 0.00050303 = 9.6934 BTC [-] [17:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26859 @ 0.00050303 = 13.5109 BTC [-] [17:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8841 @ 0.0005027 = 4.4444 BTC [-] [17:28]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00050526 = 4.7494 BTC [+] [17:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32450 @ 0.00051 = 16.5495 BTC [+] [17:42]
kakobreklaaa case you missed it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=127096.0 [17:49]
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JWU42 does he really have this much free time on his hands? [17:51]
JWU42 amazing [17:51]
kakobrekla http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL_azA78Hi0 [17:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11234 @ 0.0005027 = 5.6473 BTC [-] [17:52]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7375 @ 0.0005027 = 3.7074 BTC [-] [18:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18125 @ 0.00050234 = 9.1049 BTC [-] [18:09]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00050234 = 10.4487 BTC [-] [18:16]
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jcpham OH SHIT THIS CHANNEL STILL EXISTS> [18:29]
mod6 haha [18:30]
jcpham what exactly is a bitcoin asset these days [18:32]
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kakobrekla milk [18:36]
jcpham i love milk! [18:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00050349 = 10.4726 BTC [+] [18:39]
mod6 !ticker S.MPOE [18:39]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00050234 / 0.00050439 / 0.00051319 (3404908 shares, 1,717.41 BTC), 30day: 0.00042823 / 0.00048447 / 0.00051331 (60966128 shares, 29,536.68 BTC) [18:39]
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mod6 !ticker S.BVPS [18:40]
assbot [MPEX:S.BVPS] 1day: 0.00280004 / 0.00280004 / 0.00280004 (3300 shares, 9.24 BTC), 30day: 0.002 / 0.00230086 / 0.0032491 (38016 shares, 87.47 BTC) [18:40]
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mod6 i found this old starman script for BitchX that only rg could run anymore lol [18:42]
mod6 did he ever turn up? [18:42]
mod6 ;;tell rg i've got a starman for you [18:43]
mod6 awe [18:43]
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mod6 ;;later tell rg i've got a starman for you [18:43]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:43]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51690 @ 0.00050625 = 26.1681 BTC [+] [18:49]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00050758 = 8.4258 BTC [+] [18:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00051 = 4.0035 BTC [+] [18:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4860 @ 0.00050662 = 2.4622 BTC [-] [18:58]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7631 @ 0.00050488 = 3.8527 BTC [-] [19:09]
smickles ;;calc (13,445 - 8,203 - 2,071 - 402) / 100,000,000 / 0.00339922 [19:14]
gribble Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number. [19:14]
smickles ;;calc (13445 - 8203 - 2071 - 402) / 100000000 / 0.00339922 [19:14]
gribble 0.00814598643218 [19:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31009 @ 0.00050488 = 15.6558 BTC [-] [19:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2026 @ 0.00051 = 1.0333 BTC [+] [19:16]
smickles http://blog.smickles.com/bitcoin/bitcoin-finance/a-good-month-for-s-dice-shareholders-in-the-making/#update_2_21nov12 <<< for which I just ran the calc ;) [19:16]
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jurov smickles, what about mpoe shareholders? [19:18]
jurov i suspect we're in a very nice surprise :p [19:18]
smickles jurov: oh? yeah, not that I have a good grasp on the situation (i've just casually paid attention), but so long as the exchange rate doesn't go above 13.3 (or something like that) mpoe should have a good dividend. but i could be entirely wrong :D [19:20]
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jurov so really nobody's watching mircea closely? [19:25]
smickles jurov: I'd have to setup a script to monitor things, I've only been noticing the large orders and haven't done an exact calculation. But it would be limited by the fact that it would be difficult to distinguish mircea_popescu's bot, from other's adding liquidity [19:28]
smickles forenoon DeaDTerra [19:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00051 = 8.7975 BTC [+] [19:28]
jurov smickles, you wanted to set up your own bot, so i guessed you'd have some grasp [19:28]
smickles jurov: i'm working on that bot still, i'll probably launch it afther this coming last friday (when i have more capital to work with ;) [19:29]
smickles ;;ticker [19:30]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 11.70101, Best ask: 11.73969, Bid-ask spread: 0.03868, Last trade: 11.70101, 24 hour volume: 20219.34455426, 24 hour low: 11.60241, 24 hour high: 11.78400, 24 hour vwap: 11.70969 [19:30]
smickles i'm looking at a 17% gain at the current rates, c'mon stability! [19:30]
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jurov similar here, although somwheat less.. now if someone could buy these C120T's [19:31]
smickles heh, didj'a lower you price yet? [19:32]
jurov what price do you consider acceptable? [19:33]
jurov 0.09 ? [19:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00051 = 10.2 BTC [+] [19:36]
smickles jurov: heh, my spreadsheet is telling me 0.02040816 [19:39]
smickles i expect that's lower than mircea's bot [19:40]
jurov C110T sells at 0.25, C130T at 0.06.. market [19:40]
jurov is thinking differently [19:40]
jurov mircea's bot gave up on these :p [19:41]
smickles giving btc to a bot feels like playing with fire [19:43]
smickles or liquid hydrogen [19:43]
kakobrekla speaking of bots, im just backtesting freshly baked robot based on kalman filters [19:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00051 = 18.207 BTC [+] [19:46]
smickles kakobrekla: do you have a db of mpex trades? [19:49]
smickles I've been meaning to setup a good one for myself, and was wondering how far back the twiter feed goes [19:51]
kakobrekla nope i dont keep one [19:52]
kakobrekla assbot doesnt log it [19:52]
jurov smickles, i have db since start of november [19:53]
jurov and python rss reader that updates it also, i don't trust twatter for this [19:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00051 = 21.063 BTC [+] [19:57]
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Namjies I got the list of assets for BTC-Mining [20:05]
Namjies https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvwwyRGyc1WgdDFUajZmcWtQc2xVZUlGNXBvbWg1ZXc [20:05]
Namjies Check the list and see if you are included. Only the first 3 characters of email and BTC address are included [20:06]
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Namjies There's 475 unclaimed shares so far on 2369 shares sold. [20:09]
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Namjies That's 1/5th [20:09]
Namjies It's a lot. [20:09]
Namjies Hello Gigavps [20:10]
gigavps hello [20:10]
gigavps anything exciting happening? [20:10]
Namjies It seems nefario is sending further asset lists [20:10]
gigavps that is good [20:10]
Namjies I just received the one for BTC-Mining [20:10]
Azelphur gigavps: you got your asset list? :D [20:10]
gigavps i have received a partial list [20:11]
Azelphur fun [20:11]
Namjies I'm missing 1/5th of shares to be claimed. [20:11]
gigavps can't wait till people start to make claims and aren't on the list [20:11]
gigavps then what do you do? [20:11]
Azelphur I guess the missing ones are from people who refused to give info? [20:12]
Namjies Maybe [20:12]
Namjies Odd that I'm not on your list Gigavps. My list contains my address and my email [20:13]
gigavps i got some more today [20:13]
Namjies Ah, would 18CoGAeLJzwG3iLkBj1vARYDWW7eC7qUQ1 be included this time? [20:13]
gigavps nope [20:15]
Namjies =/ [20:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00050811 = 9.3492 BTC [-] [20:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.00050629 = 13.7458 BTC [-] [20:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00050488 = 1.4389 BTC [-] [20:16]
gigavps this is a problem [20:16]
gigavps that i have yet to hear a solid way to solve it [20:16]
Namjies It's odd. [20:17]
Namjies My list seems to be accurate and contain users I was expecting to hold the amount of shares shown [20:17]
Namjies I recognize a few bitcointalk.org users too. [20:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00050488 = 6.311 BTC [-] [20:20]
jurov wasn't email required to glbse registration? [20:21]
* gigavps crawls under a rock [20:22]
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Namjies and a rock with multiple pairs of eyes glowing from the darkness under labeled "issuers" could be seen somewhere in Bitcoinland. [20:24]
gigavps the fun is just beginning [20:26]
Namjies Aye [20:26]
smickles < Namjies> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvwwyRGyc1WgdDFUajZmcWtQc2xVZUlGNXBvbWg1ZXc [20:28]
smickles i can guess who line 31 is [20:28]
Namjies Aye, but my shares amount was public [20:29]
Namjies on the BTC-BOND spreadsheet [20:30]
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Namjies I think the 300 shares is also guessable. I believe that's usagi which had that amount in his spreadsheet for BMF. [20:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22935 @ 0.00050845 = 11.6613 BTC [+] [20:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56780 @ 0.00051 = 28.9578 BTC [+] [20:32]
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Diablo-D3 responded to btc-mining thread [20:38]
JWU42 gigavps: I am finding gaps in what I received from GLBSe versus user submitted claims to me [20:38]
JWU42 of primary concern are submitted claims from people i would trust [20:39]
JWU42 and no reference in the GLBSE data [20:39]
Namjies How many shares did you have? [20:39]
smickles ;;bc,stats [20:39]
gribble Current Blocks: 208949 | Current Difficulty: 3368767.1405329 | Next Difficulty At Block: 209663 | Next Difficulty In: 714 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 22 hours, 12 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3374381.13210326 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.166648252496 [20:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00050488 = 8.9364 BTC [-] [20:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00050349 = 3.1216 BTC [-] [20:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13125 @ 0.00050234 = 6.5932 BTC [-] [20:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5475 @ 0.00050228 = 2.75 BTC [-] [20:40]
JWU42 YABMC has 54,278 outstanding [20:40]
* midnightmagic pokes mircea_popescu in the eyeball [20:40]
Diablo-D3 Namjies: 100 [20:40]
Namjies Hmm [20:40]
smickles midnightmagic: heh, why the poke to 'em? [20:40]
JWU42 ahh - sorry - missed you were speaking with Diablo-D3 [20:40]
Namjies Well there's 1/5th of shares unclaimed. [20:42]
Namjies It's a surprisingly large amount [20:42]
Namjies So I guess the list are partial. [20:42]
Azelphur Diablo-D3: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/August/2012-08-26-031510.jpg [20:42]
midnightmagic smickles: I poke everybody.. [20:42]
* midnightmagic pokes you in the eyeball. [20:42]
smickles ask [20:42]
smickles er [20:42]
Diablo-D3 Azelphur: what tablet is that? a nexus 7? [20:42]
smickles ack [20:42]
Azelphur Diablo-D3: yep :P [20:42]
midnightmagic :-) [20:42]
Diablo-D3 Azelphur: I find it ironic they went with the phone ui on that [20:42]
Azelphur Diablo-D3: and here I was thinking you'd ask about the hat [20:42]
Diablo-D3 Ive seen the photo before [20:42]
Diablo-D3 I just forgot what the tablet was [20:42]
Azelphur yea, it is odd, there's builds of cyanogenmod with tablet mode enabled [20:42]
Azelphur I know, I was just reminding you how much you love ubuntu :P [20:42]
Diablo-D3 I can do either phone ui or tablet ui on my kindle fire [20:42]
Diablo-D3 phone ui just doesnt work with a screen that big [20:43]
Azelphur yea, it's odd [20:43]
Azelphur still, cyanogenmod fixes all the things [20:43]
Diablo-D3 its hard to hit centered buttons in landscape mode, and having to drag down half the fucking screen to get notifications sucks [20:43]
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Diablo-D3 yeah [20:43]
Diablo-D3 tablet ui + forced tablet ui in apps == delicious [20:43]
Namjies And you are 100% no shares were sold before GLBSE's closure and that the box agreeing to share info was ticked? [20:44]
Diablo-D3 Namjies: yes, I had no sell orders up for assets [20:44]
Diablo-D3 Namjies: and I was emailed by glbse saying whatever [20:44]
Namjies Okay. Well I'll try to at least get confirmation for most of the rest of the list. [20:45]
Namjies Can you PM me your email and BTC address used? I'll keep track of external claims. [20:45]
Diablo-D3 there [20:46]
Namjies thanks [20:46]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00051 = 8.2875 BTC [+] [20:53]
Namjies I suspect that 1/3 are mostly holding a few shares. Most big accounts seems to have claimed. [20:55]
Namjies They might claim in the following few months tho [20:55]
Namjies Not sure how long Nefario will accept claims. [20:55]
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Namjies Ah, could it be it? Have you received a double payment that was not returned, Diablo-D3? [20:57]
smickles oh no [20:58]
smickles i bet nefario could easily claim that [20:58]
smickles even if untrue [20:58]
smickles and peeps wouldn't have recourse [20:58]
Diablo-D3 Namjies: nope [20:59]
Namjies Dammit... [20:59]
Diablo-D3 smickles: no, because we can just look at addresses on block explorer [20:59]
smickles Diablo-D3: he could just use any address which was sent a payment in that timeframe and still has funds at it [21:00]
Namjies We can hardly check if your GLBSE payment existed/was doubled/was repaid. [21:00]
Diablo-D3 Namjies: true, but then hes going to have to falsify asset lists [21:00]
smickles or even if it does't have funds at it too [21:00]
Diablo-D3 seeing as the money he sent me was the entire balance of DIBFLSC [21:00]
smickles Diablo-D3: point is, witholding shareholder data for that reason is bad [21:01]
Diablo-D3 smickles: yes [21:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43250 @ 0.00051 = 22.0575 BTC [+] [21:03]
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smickles dun dun duuun [21:03]
Diablo-D3 Namjies, smickles: I dont like the fact I havent gotten lists for dmc or dibflsc [21:04]
smickles i haven't gotten lists for s²cm or mpoe etf yet :( [21:05]
Diablo-D3 brb rebooting laptop [21:05]
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smickles I haven't received the s²cm btceither [21:06]
Namjies he said he'd send a few lists daily [21:06]
Namjies Usagi [21:06]
Namjies Can you confirm you're on my BTC-MINING lists? [21:06]
Namjies https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvwwyRGyc1WgdDFUajZmcWtQc2xVZUlGNXBvbWg1ZXc#gid=0 [21:06]
Namjies I think line 17 is you. [21:06]
Namjies match the BTC-Mining shares BMF held if I'm not mistaken [21:07]
Namjies Good. [21:08]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00051 = 3.06 BTC [+] [21:12]
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smickles kakobrekla: with that algo, after you run the backtest, is the error estimate really fricken' low? [21:15]
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kakobrekla smickles the filter is used to trigger trading decision delivered from an input which in currently is velocity [21:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5325 @ 0.00050228 = 2.6746 BTC [-] [21:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00050213 = 11.2979 BTC [-] [21:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17565 @ 0.00050181 = 8.8143 BTC [-] [21:20]
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Diablo-D3 back [21:28]
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Diablo-D3 note to self [21:40]
Diablo-D3 dont use gl on laptop [21:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00051 = 9.333 BTC [+] [21:45]
dub https://isc.sans.edu/diary.html?n&storyid=14548 [21:57]
dub this was momentarily confusing [21:57]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44900 @ 0.00050315 = 22.5914 BTC [-] [22:15]
EskimoBob usagi, what is your fkn problem? are all shares accounted for (have a known owner)? [22:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10955 @ 0.00050315 = 5.512 BTC [-] [22:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13045 @ 0.00050268 = 6.5575 BTC [-] [22:33]
Namjies What is the issue EskimoBob? [22:37]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2755 @ 0.00050268 = 1.3849 BTC [-] [22:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2485 @ 0.00050181 = 1.247 BTC [-] [22:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36750 @ 0.00050138 = 18.4257 BTC [-] [22:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4782 @ 0.00050094 = 2.3955 BTC [-] [22:38]
Namjies Oh I see... [22:38]
Namjies Usagi claims you lied... [22:38]
Namjies Well Usagi should know the lists are not complete [22:39]
Namjies and since he has unclaimed shares, you could have 9 in those. [22:39]
EskimoBob i sent a e-mail to nefario. Lets see if he answers. Maybe he sent me twice those pennies I had over there and I never noticed. [22:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7237 @ 0.00051 = 3.6909 BTC [+] [22:45]
Namjies Possible. [22:53]
dub you didn't use a clean wallet? [23:00]
Namjies Many didn't [23:11]
Namjies If you looked at payment claims thread. [23:11]
dub would have thought it sensible with the rumours about nefario getting tipped out by the feds [23:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38790 @ 0.0005082 = 19.7131 BTC [-] [23:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9760 @ 0.00051 = 4.9776 BTC [+] [23:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.0005036 = 5.7914 BTC [-] [23:25]
* smickles is driving traffic to the topic http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/5436/how-to-invest-bitcoins/5437#5437 [23:26]
* mrdavis (~mrdavis@d118-75-117-26.try.wideopenwest.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets [23:28]
* Guest37665 is now known as [mad]Berry [23:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.0005036 = 11.2806 BTC [-] [23:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28738 @ 0.00050319 = 14.4607 BTC [-] [23:49]
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