Forum logs for 21 Mar 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.00557881 = 0.2789 BTC [+] {2}	[00:10]
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yeye_	gg mp	[00:16]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00338245 = 0.2537 BTC [-] {2}	[00:23]
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benkay	;;later tell HeySteve2 didja fixit?	[00:28]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[00:28]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.062998 = 0.126 BTC [+]	[00:33]
benkay	;;echo ℳ	[00:34]
gribble	ℳ	[00:34]
benkay	wowee	[00:34]
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phf	not quite	[00:39]
phf	;;re m/./ ℳ	[00:39]
gribble	â	[00:39]
benkay	o hai phf	[00:39]
phf	hello, benkay	[00:40]
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benkay	what brings you 'round these parts?	[00:41]
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phf	taking in the bitcoin knowledge	[00:43]
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bitcoinpete	benkay: pronouns co-rrected	[00:43]
benkay	a neat	[00:44]
benkay	pro-rected	[00:44]
benkay	e-rected!	[00:44]
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benkay	i'll erect some pronouns.	[00:44]
bitcoinpete	rect-imediated	[00:44]
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benkay	rectumfied	[00:45]
bitcoinpete	nice	[00:46]
benkay	bitcoinpete	[00:46]
benkay	rectumfying pronouns	[00:46]
bitcoinpete	since spring 2014	[00:47]
benkay	so hey bitcoinpete do you know mardlin?	[00:48]
bitcoinpete	i don't… who is he?	[00:48]
benkay	another lifeboater	[00:48]
benkay	can't tell if actual fraternity or weird internet thing	[00:49]
bitcoinpete	blech, i have no idea either. regretting it now	[00:49]
benkay	HAW	[00:49]
benkay	reputational dependency management.	[00:49]
bitcoinpete	pretty mucho	[00:50]
bitcoinpete	worse than linkedin by my estimation	[00:50]
benkay	here's a blog post for ya: "the only dependency in your reputational toolchain should be gpg"	[00:50]
bitcoinpete	well, and a blog	[00:51]
benkay	mebbe.	[00:51]
benkay	bloggin's hard.	[00:51]
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benkay	subject of	[00:51]
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benkay	;;ident bitcoinpete	[00:51]
gribble	Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is not identified.	[00:51]
benkay	;;gettrust bitcoinpete	[00:51]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user bitcoinpete: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=bitcoinpete \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoinpete \| Rated since: never	[00:51]
bitcoinpete	do i need to do some small transactions to get that graph going or what?	[00:53]
benkay	yeah probably	[00:53]
benkay	borrow some btc for a week, pay it back	[00:53]
bitcoinpete	alrighty then. are you up for a little test run?	[00:54]
benkay	what rate are you offering?	[00:54]
bitcoinpete	what's standard for a first go?	[00:55]
benkay	aren't much by way of standards.	[00:55]
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benkay	;;ident bitcoinpete	[01:00]
gribble	Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is not identified.	[01:00]
benkay	;;gpg eauth benkay	[01:00]
gribble	Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@71-34-67-232.ptld.qwest.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/39F274AFBC7ACAC7	[01:00]
benkay	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:1b105722fb05618adf22faa71ca8054449e9a726fcc83c785305f0ff	[01:00]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7	[01:00]
ThickAsThieves	buy some ATC	[01:01]
ThickAsThieves	thats a good easy way	[01:01]
bitcoinpete	;;gpg eauth bitcoinpete	[01:01]
gribble	Request successful for user bitcoinpete, hostmask bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/165749929F9A6BDD	[01:01]
kakobrekla	>The Company may, by written notice to any Members, suspend payment of withdrawal proceeds to such Members if the Member Manager reasonably deems it necessary to do so to comply with anti-money laundering laws and regulations applicable to the Company or any of the Company’s service providers, or due to circumstances beyond its control, including but not limited to general civil disturbance or September 11, 2001 type events.	[01:01]
kakobrekla	seriously, "september 11 TYPE OF EVENTS"	[01:02]
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benkay	hey i've got cum sircomstances out of your control	[01:02]
bitcoinpete	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:30e40cf0a5ed0435f6d19a11c6a1f3bbc5801de1cea9cbac9de2e5a5	[01:02]
kakobrekla	facepalm.	[01:02]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user bitcoinpete with key 165749929F9A6BDD	[01:02]
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artifexd	bitcoinpete I can sell you a few ATC if you want to follow ThickAsThieves' advice	[01:03]
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bitcoinpete	thickasthieves artifexd could we do a btc loan or purchase instead? don't want another client that bad	[01:09]
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artifexd	;;ident	[01:17]
gribble	Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None	[01:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.0033 = 0.1254 BTC [-]	[01:22]
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ThickAsThieves	nubbins`the pretty-much final version http://imgur.com/fpGdBdL	[01:28]
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ninjashogun	hi	[01:47]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06299999 = 0.126 BTC [+] {2}	[01:59]
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Aquent	so can I buy google shares or other publicly traded companies on mpex?	[02:26]
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Mats_cd03	no	[02:29]
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Aquent	oh	[02:30]
kakobrekla	only amazon	[02:30]
kakobrekla	err i ment myspace	[02:30]
Aquent	lol	[02:30]
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Mats_cd03	try looking at the site instead of asking stupid questions	[02:30]
Aquent	I did	[02:30]
Aquent	didnt explain about what shares you can buy I think	[02:31]
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kakobrekla	did ya see S.GOOG there?	[02:31]
Mats_cd03	its fairly clear, there is a contract for every enterprise	[02:32]
Aquent	ohh sorry I was looking at the faq	[02:32]
Aquent	so the shares on the home page are the only traded shares?	[02:32]
kakobrekla	yes	[02:34]
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Mats_cd03	the heading says stocks followed by tables of data	[02:34]
Aquent	why not put on public companies like	[02:35]
Mats_cd03	exercise some brain power	[02:35]
Mats_cd03	ok i give up	[02:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0559999 = 0.392 BTC [-]	[02:35]
Aquent	lol	[02:35]
Aquent	dude its 12:40 pm here i got no brain left	[02:35]
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Aquent	just wondering whats so good about mpex that anyone pays 30 btc for it	[02:36]
kakobrekla	you should get up later	[02:36]
Aquent	am*	[02:36]
Mats_cd03	you should be required to pay .01btc to talk in this channel	[02:36]
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kakobrekla	per word	[02:36]
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Mats_cd03	it would help in filtering dummies	[02:36]
kakobrekla	Aquent you can use coinbr instead	[02:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.0032999 = 0.1419 BTC [+]	[02:38]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.59567897 = 11.9136 BTC [-] {9}	[03:08]
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ThickAsThieves	http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/20/a-crypto-sting-operation-to-find-crypto-currency/?mod=WSJBlog	[03:19]
ozbot	A Crypto-Sting Operation to Find Crypto-Currency - MoneyBeat - WSJ	[03:19]
Mats_cd03	is bitfinex a good exchange	[03:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 289 @ 0.00596359 = 1.7235 BTC [-] {7}	[03:20]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00325 = 0.1105 BTC [-] {2}	[03:23]
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ThickAsThieves	i dont think it has a good rep around here	[03:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.00323429 = 0.3202 BTC [-] {5}	[03:24]
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nubbins`	ThickAsThieves, pretty sick! i like it	[03:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00084498 = 25.5184 BTC [+] {2}	[03:29]
dignork	lol, "unspecified amounts of bitcoins are being moved, sometimes in fractions of a single bitcoin, into multiple accounts overseas". what do they smoke?	[03:30]
ThickAsThieves	was shaky on the rocky horror font, but it seems to work	[03:30]
ThickAsThieves	it's free thing with little planning, so not bad in that sense	[03:31]
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ThickAsThieves	but the guys were happy with it too	[03:31]
ThickAsThieves	i'll connect you with music when it's ready too	[03:31]
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nubbins`	i'm partial to that sort of font -- from the pink eye archives: http://imgur.com/Ompvb3G	[03:32]
LordPutin	who know what ilearned from thiswhole trendon shavers deposition is that youneed to have a good online username like "mymothersasshole" or something...."So you spoke with my mothers asshole on the 10th of Jan last year, is thatcorrect?"	[03:32]
nubbins`	awesome, i'd love to hear it	[03:32]
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mike_c	lol. do you know mymothersasshole's real name?	[03:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7814 @ 0.00084098 = 6.5714 BTC [-]	[03:41]
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LordPutin	didn't ukyo from bitfunder already use thistypeof scam - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20x0ww/mtgox_announces_they_actually_still_owned_200000/	[03:52]
Ukyo	heh.	[03:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3283 @ 0.00083917 = 2.755 BTC [-]	[03:53]
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ThickAsThieves	Ukyo how come you hng out still but have no updates :(	[04:11]
ThickAsThieves	hang*	[04:11]
LordPutin	to make it seem like he hasn't done a runner?	[04:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.056999 = 0.114 BTC [+] {2}	[04:13]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.056999 = 0.171 BTC [+] {2}	[04:14]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00084638 = 14.5577 BTC [+]	[04:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.057 = 0.171 BTC [+] {3}	[04:22]
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Ukyo	Or perhaps there are no updates?	[04:24]
Ukyo	Kinda hard to give what doesnt exist.	[04:25]
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mircea_popescu	"Whenever some new and insightful piece of #bitcoin writing appears, I now automatically look for connection to @Mircea_Popescu"	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	twitter love, reddit hate. it's like the interwebs autobalance.	[04:31]
Duffer1	odd that the one facilitating less dialogue shows more love	[04:32]
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mircea_popescu	i suspect it's more to do with ownership structure.	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	one's a dinky disqus-equivalent owned by conde nast. the other's a facebook-wannabe still in the cool vc phase.	[04:33]
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Duffer1	how are you Ukyo?	[04:37]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00084734 = 5.7195 BTC [+]	[04:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.057 = 0.171 BTC [+] {3}	[04:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.093669 = 0.1873 BTC [+] {2}	[04:42]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6617 @ 0.00084572 = 5.5961 BTC [-]	[04:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.0033 = 0.132 BTC [+]	[04:45]
Radi777	random_cat rbonestell reeses riX2000 rodgort Rulother rum234 ryan-c	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	jurov yeah, how was it	[04:51]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves pretty incredible shit. so microsoft is playing nsa nao ?	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	no wonder the doj is claiming prism has full support from the usg-controlled corps a la google yahoo etc	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	whoa, gawker ? mp in gawker ? what has this world come to.	[05:03]
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mircea_popescu	did anyone have trouble loading trilema today ?	[05:04]
asciilifeform	dept of software.	[05:05]
asciilifeform	mp in washington post!	[05:05]
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asciilifeform	http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/03/20/sec-gets-on-the-bitcoin-investigation-bandwagon	[05:06]
ozbot	SEC gets on the Bitcoin investigation bandwagon	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	well, i guess there's going to be a steady stream of journo people coming in here these days	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	be nice to the noobs.	[05:07]
ninjashogun	hi mircea_popescu	[05:15]
ninjashogun	just read this scrollback for a sec	[05:15]
chetty	"After giving her a verbal spanking, he did leave room for future cooperation:"	[05:15]
ninjashogun	hi again asciilifeform	[05:15]
ninjashogun	where it says on your link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/03/20/sec-gets-on-the-bitcoin-investigation-bandwagon/) :	[05:16]
ninjashogun	But then he said he wanted a bunch of impossible (at least in the near term) stuff before the two could talk frankly, including an SEC determination that it lacks jurisdiction over Bitcoin.	[05:16]
ninjashogun	is that a direct quote? Whose voice is this sentence in?	[05:16]
ninjashogun!@	added to ignore list.	[05:16]
Duffer1	it's a summary of statements made in the email exchange between MP and the SEC	[05:18]
Duffer1	http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/	[05:19]
ozbot	Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[05:19]
Duffer1	mircea_popescu did anyone have trouble loading trilema today ? >> my cookie has disappeared is that what you're referring to?	[05:19]
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mircea_popescu	Duffer1 no, im referring to a bunch of news outlets linking it	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	trying to discern if any slashdot effect	[05:21]
Duffer1	Expires: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:49:14 PM	[05:21]
Duffer1	odd	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	since i missed the chance back when slashdot linked it	[05:21]
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Duffer1	derp i fixed it	[05:24]
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mircea_popescu	Namworld so you're making exchanges for noobs nao?	[05:25]
Duffer1	it's already a currency ninja	[05:25]
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mircea_popescu	g_forcewinds ello.	[05:26]
g_forcewinds	hi	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell yeye_ cheers.	[05:26]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[05:26]
g_forcewinds	Ghaleon Graet gribble GSpotAssassin___ Guest15829 Guest84681_____	[05:26]
g_forcewinds	haven't used freenode before so pardon any etiquette mistakes here please	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	g_forcewinds you'll be fine.	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	so one thing is that i didn't dispute the legality of the sec's request, i asked them to establish it.	[05:26]
g_forcewinds	hmm seems an issue of semantics	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	there's an important difference here, i am in no position to dispute anything yet.	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	well actually, it's a fundamental issue of law which somehow seems lost on the journalistic profession	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	some guy wanted me how do i know i didn't break any laws.	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	that's not how laws work. i don't declare that i broke no laws, and i don't contest the authority of some random person making demands.	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	it works the other way around : i don't argue the negative, they make the statements that establish the positive.	[05:28]
g_forcewinds	so how you would characterize your email exchange with the SEC?	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	the sec couldn't decide if it wants to be friends or it wants to be an authority.	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	i indicated to them that they have to make this choice, and how to go about being friends.	[05:28]
g_forcewinds	indeed	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	i wouldn't presume to tell them how to be authoritative, i imagine they have lawyers that can sort it out.	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	either way, i'm not denying or arguing or anything else. someone calls you on the phone, you ask "who is this"	[05:29]
g_forcewinds	but you did question their authority to ask for those documents etc and asked them to show what legal basis they h ad for doing so, yes?	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	that "and" doesn't work. i didn't question anything, i asked them the traditional quo warranto.	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	show your right.	[05:30]
Duffer1	http://trilema.com/2012/the-reasons-why-bitcoin-securities-cant-be-regulated-by-the-sec/	[05:30]
ozbot	The reasons why Bitcoin securities can’t be regulated by the SEC pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Po	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	that aside : what makes you judge we're talking about "A bunch of impossible" ?	[05:31]
g_forcewinds	Thanks for clarifying your perspective Mircea. I'll be sure to reach out if I you end up in a story again. What's the best way to get in touch? FYI I work at night	[05:31]
asciilifeform	anyone recall the u.s. supreme court case which proclaimed that barter in grain is taxable?	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	this is by far the best way	[05:31]
asciilifeform	these buggers truly imagine themselves masters of the universe	[05:32]
asciilifeform	not merely of dollar	[05:32]
asciilifeform	and have, since '30s	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform there's a major difference there too. the grain case (and the oranges cove case which is used to teach kids about the sec) all discuss actual items of value.	[05:32]
g_forcewinds	my impossible i meant that it takes a long time for the SEC to make a determination like whether they are going to regulate. I could be wrong, but I think a public comment period is required	[05:32]
asciilifeform	or the u.s. proclamation of extraterritorial jurisdiction of any submarine not carrying a flag	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	there's a lot of difference between trading oranges and trading monopoly money.	[05:32]
asciilifeform	or of nuclear weapons	[05:32]
asciilifeform	(all in federal law, on the books, plain as daylight)	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	g_forcewinds well, yes, but they do have the help of the fed and gao already making similar determinations.	[05:33]
g_forcewinds	that doesnt speed up their own determination though	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	as far as i know this matter has been discussed in their comission already, and they're working towards a decision	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	well ok, but that'd have been a prime spot to crack the story you know ?	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	go hunt down the comissioners and ask them pointed q's about exactly this.	[05:33]
g_forcewinds	I'd love to chat further but at the moment I must run. I'm at work and have stories to write. Hope to chat again soon.	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	later!	[05:34]
asciilifeform	ianal. but it would surprise me greatly if the matter is settled in such a way as for usg to tell itself to pound sand	[05:34]
g_forcewinds	If I see any commissioners when Im up at 3am ill be sure to ask them ;-)	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	what time is it there now anyway	[05:34]
Duffer1	11:30	[05:35]
Duffer1	pm, east coast	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	pa, lime midnight	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	yea ok	[05:35]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you know, such things happen. contrary to what the general public perceives of the government, it does tell itself to go pack sand all the time.	[05:37]
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mircea_popescu	perhaps not as often as is the case in romania, but definitely a lot more often than is the case in russia or w/e	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	china.	[05:37]
asciilifeform	sure - people do surrender occasionally. esp. if they aren't paid enough to give a damn.	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	nah, not at all what i mean.	[05:38]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla seriously, "september 11 TYPE OF EVENTS" << yeah, it's a term of art :D	[05:51]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you drew that shit ?!	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	LordPutin: what ilearned from thiswhole trendon shavers deposition is that youneed to have a good online username like "mymothersasshole" or something...."So you spoke with my mothers asshole on the 10th of Jan last year, is thatcorrect?" << lol	[05:55]
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decimation	these journos will make for amusing reading on the log	[05:59]
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mircea_popescu	it's really shocking to me that i have to explain the basics of law to people writing news o.O	[06:00]
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decimation	perhaps you can steer one or two to the real lede here - the writ under which USG agencies operate, and the apparently unlimited self-extension of the same	[06:01]
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mircea_popescu	more likely future, people will start being arrested by the cable company over there.	[06:01]
mircea_popescu	"hello sir, we're mailmen. please step out of the car"	[06:02]
decimation	"agencies will have to have a public comment period before they grant themselves extraconstitutional authority over a matter"	[06:02]
decimation	you didn't go to the hearing at 9am on Thursday? You could have had your say. That's democracy!	[06:03]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo tried that one.	[06:03]
decimation	I predict that nothing will happen	[06:03]
mircea_popescu	hopefully.	[06:03]
mircea_popescu	else, he blogs from jail.	[06:04]
decimation	I don't think bitcoin rises high enough on the foreign policy hopper to pressure Romania	[06:04]
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Duffer1	but terrsm and MONEY LAUNDERING OMG	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	romania ?	[06:05]
decimation	well, ultimately that's the outcome, right?	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	you mean the only country which has a military base which allows the us some sort of semblance of relevancy in the black sea ?	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	yeah, definitely, the us is pressuring romania.	[06:06]
decimation	exactly	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	with... you know... truckloads of cash.	[06:06]
decimation	so you are going to have State vs. Defense	[06:06]
decimation	early Moldbug is the best on this topic http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.ca/2007/08/secret-of-anti-americanism.html	[06:07]
mircea_popescu	(incidentally... without mihail kogalniceanu the afghanistan retreat isn't even all that possible)	[06:07]
mircea_popescu	esp not with a rather hostile syria	[06:07]
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mircea_popescu	http://adevarul.ro/locale/constanta/soldati-1_53112de7c7b855ff56c227aa/index.html	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	foir the forensically curious	[06:08]
decimation	There are all kinds of logisitical arrangements with "allies" of various kinds which are never mentioned in the US media	[06:08]
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decimation	reading most US newspapers would lead one to think that the US military just shows up somewhere without any baggage train	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	yeah well.	[06:10]
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decimation	asciilifeform I had a question about Cardano. I assume that measures have been taken to prevent loss of the private key in the case of the failure of a flash chip or bits thereof?	[06:12]
decimation	it would be sad to have some bitrot render it unusable (or in an uncertain state)	[06:13]
asciilifeform	decimation: cardano is not intended to house your only, 'master' key.	[06:13]
asciilifeform	i believe this was described in one of mp's articles.	[06:14]
asciilifeform	in the event of damage, or jettison (using 'zap') one is to retrieve a secreted, more senior key (optionally kept on a cardano, or in some other fashion) and sign message to the effect of 'this newly baked cardano key is my new pubkey'	[06:14]
asciilifeform	damn do i have to hire my own pr girl now?	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	well... hire.	[06:15]
mircea_popescu	capture a few.	[06:15]
asciilifeform	i spent most of the past half day answering questions that ought to be RTFMs.	[06:15]
mircea_popescu	dun hate the playa.	[06:15]
asciilifeform	lol	[06:15]
decimation	is there a preliminary block diagram available?	[06:16]
asciilifeform	decimation: all of the materials presently available to public are on mp's site (with the exception of several photos that live on mine.)	[06:17]
asciilifeform	plus some discussions held in this channel (log)	[06:17]
Duffer1	http://trilema.com/category/snsa/	[06:17]
ozbot	S.NSA pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[06:17]
asciilifeform	Duffer1: thank you	[06:17]
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mircea_popescu	probably that category holds 90%+ of the discussion.	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	actual block diagrams not released yet iirc ?	[06:17]
asciilifeform	at present, it should be more than enough for any prospective buyer to decide whether the product fits his needs	[06:18]
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decimation	ah, that answers my question, it seems that there will be a single key storage EEprom	[06:20]
decimation	I apologize for the bother	[06:20]
mircea_popescu	dun worry.	[06:20]
Duffer1	imo asking questions is usually better than the alternative	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	anyway, decimation : there will be a single key storage eeprom, but the key itself is written quite redundantly on it,	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	and other features generally make it improbable a key will be lost. but this level of specific detail is to be you know, put up once the product actually goes for order	[06:23]
decimation	okay that was my question. I suspected as much, but I was thinking about possible scenarios today and it occured to me that such a precaution would be wise	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	there's a diff eeprom for the symetric key, these are physically separate for reasons etc	[06:24]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/20/sec-investigation-of-bitcoin-based-stock-sale/	[06:31]
ozbot	SEC investigation of Bitcoin-based stock sale could lead to broader regulation	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	engadget figures the way to do reporting is putting 6 links in two paragraphs, all leading to engadget.com	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	then one wonders why nobody heard of them in a while.	[06:32]
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decimation	I always feel like I'm reading an advertisement when I visit engadget	[06:33]
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steven-__	native advertising writing style	[06:35]
decimation	"Part of the trouble so far has been nailing down exactly what Bitcoin is. "	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	owned by aol, what's one to expect.	[06:36]
decimation	I suppose that is troublesome for some...	[06:36]
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decimation	I was re-reading some other early Moldbug and found this one: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.ca/2007/11/who-heck-is-benn-steil.html	[06:37]
decimation	"My test is that a real economist is an economist who believes that any quantity of money is adequate. A quack economist is an economist who believes that increasing prosperity - or even continuing prosperity - demands a continuously increasing quantity of money."	[06:38]
mircea_popescu	not a bad test.	[06:38]
decimation	no. as usual, his post is overly wordy, but he is writing about bitcoin and he doesn't realize it	[06:38]
decimation	"Every nonneutral dilution can be defined as the combination of a neutral redenomination and a nonneutral redistribution. And this is why dilutionists are quacks. Dilutionists are quacks because it is impossible to imagine a way in which the systematic pilfering of wallets could somehow be essential to commerce and industry."	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	decimation kind-of explains why he was so butthurt when bitcoin showed up.	[06:39]
decimation	oh yeah I agree	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	sorta same problem as the average gold bug, except his is more refined.	[06:39]
decimation	he said as much in one if his posts	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	hopefully he manages to work through teh issue.	[06:39]
decimation	well, he should stop trying to make gay navies and start by re-writing the bitcoin client with a real spec	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i can readily offer a way in which systematic pilfering is essential to commerce and industry.	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	here goes :	[06:40]
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mircea_popescu	society at all times opposes youthful monkeys with aged monkeys. these desire to control the female monkeys, and all the stuff related to this, from cars to stockings. including their means of production and so on, all the way to legislation (which monkey may shave her cunt and show up in garters ? mine or yours ? )	[06:41]
mircea_popescu	by workings of thermodynamics wealth (in all its forms) concentrates with the old	[06:41]
mircea_popescu	whereas by workings of biology will (in all its forms) concentrates with the young.	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	at any time there will exist a quantity of theft, q. at any time there will also exist a minimal quantity of theft, mq, such that it is more productive for the young to work at commerce and industry to acquire wealth	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	than to work at shooting and looting.	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	if q < mq there is no commerce and industry.	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	if q is mq + epsilon, all is well.	[06:43]
mircea_popescu	the study of epsilon and of the means through which q = mq+e may be ensured is then the business of the economist.	[06:44]
decimation	This goes to your point about those who flatter USG make out like bandits; while those trying to make money "from the sweat of their brow" end up funding the fortunes of the flatterers	[06:44]
mircea_popescu	i guess it may, yeah.	[06:44]
benkay	best part of the engaget 'story' is that the world 'currency' is linked and goes to another btc atm.	[06:44]
B007	link bait	[06:45]
mircea_popescu	benkay they definitely have an editor in charge of being 1990s fucktarded	[06:45]
benkay	not uni students majoring in social media?	[06:45]
mircea_popescu	undiscernible until she opens her box.	[06:46]
decimation	yeah that's a pretty good point. Moldbug has a point about closed currencies, but your point goes to human nature - something that "economists" often famously ignore.	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	or pretend to.	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	if anyone is so inclined, the immortal balzac has an excellent depiction of the pilfering problem, in his eugenie grandet	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	the old folks have shit, the young folks want the shit. negotiation ensues.	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	and for that matter, let us quote moliere :	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	"Que veux−tu que j'y fasse ? Voilà où les jeunes gens sont réduits par la maudite avarice des pères ; et on s'étonne après cela que les fils souhaitent qu'ils meurent."	[06:53]
decimation	I don't have any french, only german. Google translate for me.	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	they must have l'avare translated in goetesprache by now	[06:54]
decimation	heh	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	anyway, "what'd you have me do ? see where young men are reduced by the accursed avarice of their fathers, and they then wonder that sons wish their death"	[06:55]
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decimation	So to answer Moldbug: Monetary dillusion could be used as a way to reduce crime - by redistributing wealth (just enough) to keep crime down and businesses open	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	not a matter of crime.	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	to reduce economic inefficiency, by taking from the hands of the savers and putting into the hands of the riskers.	[06:57]
B007	bad idea	[06:57]
B007	how did the savers get their moeny?	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	understand that the most economic way to run the economy - now as during 1614 - is to just turn off all machinery, lock all warehouses and bury the key	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	harpagon's approach.	[06:58]
decimation	that would surely feed the people with the least input!	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	B007 under which system do you ask ?	[06:58]
B007	mixed economy	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	no. if you mean whether they achieved it legally, im sure htey did. if you mean were they once young, i'm sure they were.	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	if you mean, are they taking it with them, they certainly won't.	[07:00]
B007	http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/03/20/google_ceo_larry_page_elon_musk_would_get_my_inheritance_over_charity.html	[07:00]
ozbot	Google CEO Larry Page: Elon Musk would get my inheritance over charity.	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	seems sensible.	[07:01]
mircea_popescu	so do you propose that they who have it are the best arbiters of how it should disposed of ?	[07:02]
B007	possibly, yes	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	perhaps, but argue it to the younguns, not to me.	[07:02]
B007	I'd rather that then gov. or charities deciding	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	no argument.	[07:03]
decimation	in the US hardly any real charity exists	[07:03]
benkay	https://www.google.com/#q=mt+gox+missing+bitcoins	[07:03]
ozbot	Google	[07:03]
decimation	it's barely legal to tell someone 'no'	[07:03]
B007	benkay: that whole situation is a lot of wot	[07:04]
benkay	such wat	[07:04]
Mats_cd03	wut	[07:04]
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B007	https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/446377308853518337	[07:06]
ozbot	Twitter / ID_AA_Carmack: Get in the Oculus DK2 Queue: ...	[07:06]
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Mats_cd03	they shouldve just built a helmet out of it	[07:06]
Mats_cd03	that thing looks too uncomfortable to wear	[07:07]
benkay	i'll wait until the pixel density exceeds my ocular resolution, tyvm.	[07:07]
B007	helmets are bad for warm climates	[07:07]
B007	sweat	[07:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61998998 BTC [+]	[07:07]
Mats_cd03	then they can drill a few holes in there	[07:07]
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Mats_cd03	install a small fan to move air around	[07:07]
mircea_popescu	lmao propellerheads!	[07:08]
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B007	fanheads	[07:08]
Mats_cd03	they solved that problem in CBRNE suits already	[07:08]
Mats_cd03	its not that cool, more like a tiny A/C unit inside the gas mask	[07:08]
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B007	why add all that complexity and cost though	[07:09]
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benkay	https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Why_I_Never_Hire_Brilliant_Men	[07:14]
ozbot	Why I Never Hire Brilliant Men - Wikisource, the free online library	[07:14]
mircea_popescu	"A nationwide scam involving fake Internal Revenue Service representatives has already resulted in $1 million being stolen from thousands of unsuspecting victims."	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	pretend to be the taxman, even robin hood did that one	[07:26]
Mats_cd03	if i wanted to read hn links i would visit hn	[07:36]
LordPutin	Ukyo why not say something in thebitcointalk thread just to know....letpeopleknow you still care, if its ok?	[07:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00084111 = 8.9999 BTC [-]	[07:44]
joecool	LordPutin: hey you're alive!	[07:45]
mircea_popescu	he's simpleminded sociopath, i read in the washington pravda.	[07:46]
LordPutin	i'm alive just more slient than an Obama fart	[07:46]
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Mats_cd03	heres an idea	[07:55]
Mats_cd03	someone create a replacement for full-disclosure that solely utilizes the bitcoin protocol	[07:55]
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Mats_cd03	id fund dev for that	[07:56]
mircea_popescu	then you'll probably want to specify it better.	[07:58]
mircea_popescu	you know, to sorely contrast with the bitcoin derpotroll	[07:58]
mircea_popescu	s/derpotroll/protocol	[07:58]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.06345979 = 0.3173 BTC [-]	[08:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.057 = 0.57 BTC [+]	[08:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.600011 BTC [-]	[08:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0575 = 0.5175 BTC [+] {2}	[08:08]
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Izzy_	hello	[08:16]
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Izzy_	i'm game to learn about bitcoin	[08:18]
mircea_popescu	good for you.	[08:18]
Izzy_	step 1?	[08:19]
mircea_popescu	reading this log can't hurt, may take a while.	[08:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0575 = 0.115 BTC [+]	[08:19]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/ may also help.	[08:20]
ozbot	Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[08:20]
Izzy_	djing on www.openxrptalk.org if you need aural stimulation	[08:20]
deerok	how do you find the log	[08:20]
Mats_cd03	pseudonymous forum that allows for full disclosure while insulating identity of researchers while maintaining a reputation system	[08:20]
deerok	oh	[08:20]
deerok	at top sorry	[08:20]
mircea_popescu	;;topic	[08:20]
gribble	http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com	[08:20]
Mats_cd03	pgp would be great	[08:20]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 so simply advertise a gpg key, which people can encrypt to.	[08:21]
mircea_popescu	autopublish whatever's sent.	[08:21]
Mats_cd03	i suppose its a solved problem after all	[08:22]
Izzy_	okay, got this message in my email to have access to your blog "Please send exactly 0.01002637 BTC to 16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3"	[08:23]
mircea_popescu	cryptome are also doing a splendid job of it already	[08:23]
mircea_popescu	but it never hurts to have redundancy	[08:23]
Izzy_	how do i get the btc?	[08:23]
mircea_popescu	Izzy_ well normally you mine it, but i guess most people trade or w/e	[08:24]
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Izzy_	w/e?	[08:24]
Izzy_	i can try mining	[08:24]
mircea_popescu	w/e = whatever	[08:25]
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benkay	mircea_popescu: you back atc but don't accept it for trilema credits?!	[08:26]
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anirgu	nice	[08:26]
mircea_popescu	what am i going to do, run an atc wallet ?	[08:26]
mircea_popescu	but btw, splendid link. i had not know that. weird. wild. etc.	[08:27]
mircea_popescu	"One of the fine traits in human nature is the desire which almost every decent man has to help young men do well."	[08:27]
mircea_popescu	this is quite factual. correspondingly, one of the worst traits of human nature is the delusion by which almost every young man imagines the adults wish him ill.	[08:28]
Izzy_	is there a step by step sight for future bitcoinistas?	[08:28]
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anirgu	Amith here from I Have Bitcoins	[08:29]
mircea_popescu	Izzy_ what's your line ?	[08:29]
mircea_popescu	anirgu hi amith.	[08:29]
Izzy_	my line?	[08:29]
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mircea_popescu	nice formatting, but don't you find that chinese workers example a little bizarre ?	[08:29]
mircea_popescu	Izzy_ yes, what did you learn in school and what do you do for a living.	[08:29]
benkay	mircea_popescu: by the by, this backus-naur btc network parser is way over my head :(	[08:29]
mircea_popescu	are you a fishmonger or a mechanical engineer.	[08:29]
benkay	humbly submit for canings etc	[08:30]
Izzy_	i studied psychology	[08:30]
mircea_popescu	benkay well what, it was supposed to be a huge taks.	[08:30]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell moiety Izzy_ something tells me your best entry would be one on one tutoring with moiety.	[08:31]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[08:31]
Izzy_	for a living right now, i'm a broadcaster on www.openxrptalk.org - we'll see how far i can take it	[08:31]
mircea_popescu	you two seem made for each other.	[08:31]
Izzy_	why does there seem to be a divide w/ xrp and bitcoin	[08:31]
mircea_popescu	because there is.	[08:31]
mircea_popescu	anirgu : that it appears you're proposing the usg regulate the life of chinese workers.	[08:32]
Izzy_	who is moeity?	[08:32]
mircea_popescu	Izzy_ this scottish chick.	[08:32]
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benkay	Izzy_: have ye a gpg and wot yet?	[08:32]
anirgu	no no no no. didn't want it to come off like that at all	[08:32]
mircea_popescu	well... it does.	[08:32]
mircea_popescu	at least to my eye.	[08:32]
Izzy_	no i don't think so	[08:32]
joecool	;;guide	[08:33]
gribble	Error: "guide" is not a valid command.	[08:33]
anirgu	i wanted to drive home that the USA should not be reuglating nayone	[08:33]
mircea_popescu	if anyone wants to give a 2nd oppinion, http://www.ihavebitcoins.com/featured/sec-asked-romanian-bitcoin-ceo-private-data-response/	[08:33]
joecool	hm they removed it	[08:33]
Izzy_	tutoring w/ moeity sounds good - how do i get in touch with her	[08:33]
mircea_popescu	Izzy_ well i just left her a message above, which is what gribble confirmed. she'll prolly hiot you up if you're around once she shows up	[08:33]
mircea_popescu	;;seen moiety	[08:33]
gribble	moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 5 hours, and 5 seconds ago: i sreepy, good mew all, whatever your timezone!	[08:33]
Izzy_	cool thx mircea	[08:34]
mircea_popescu	benkay so are you giving it a rest or merely wanted to complain ?	[08:35]
benkay	well there's a strategic option that while less tasteful may satisfy	[08:37]
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benkay	these conformal doods seem to have their heads screwed on straight.	[08:38]
benkay	excuse me.	[08:38]
benkay	these gentlemen at conformal seem to know what they're doing and going about it in all the right ways.	[08:38]
mircea_popescu	seems that way.	[08:38]
benkay	are*	[08:38]
chetty	yeah the reference to chinese workers needs better explain, could be misunderstood	[08:38]
benkay	i'm considering giving my hacky implementation a rest and diving into the work they've done	[08:39]
mircea_popescu	this can not hurt.	[08:39]
mircea_popescu	in business, stealing is everything.	[08:40]
benkay	kinda the thesis, yeah	[08:40]
benkay	writing too, i hear.	[08:41]
anirgu	ok, that's two. need to reword this...	[08:42]
benkay	anyways, hound's tanks appear to be full, and my reserves depleted. updates rendered	[08:42]
mircea_popescu	aite.	[08:43]
benkay	"leverage". the word i was looking for a few minutes ago. "leverage".	[08:45]
mircea_popescu	"Tokyo funds matchmaking parties to boost birth rate"	[08:50]
mircea_popescu	then people complain about condomacare.	[08:50]
Izzy_	what's up w/ eve isks?	[08:52]
Izzy_	i played the game 10 years ago, but just to hear the music	[08:52]
Izzy_	so now they have a cryptocurrency?	[08:53]
mircea_popescu	not so crypto, but anyway	[08:53]
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Izzy_	similar concept? or trading/mining?	[08:53]
Izzy_	of	[08:53]
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mircea_popescu	i think it's all backed by stuff you mine out of asteroids, so yea	[08:54]
Izzy_	cool	[08:57]
cazalla	Japan is boosting the birth rate by bringing diversity to the country	[08:58]
mircea_popescu	like what, men who can summon actual erections ?	[08:59]
cazalla	can't find the article but it detailed their plan to bring in negroes	[08:59]
mircea_popescu	should make decent pronz	[08:59]
cazalla	hopefully japanese men have enough sense to grab some rope	[08:59]
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mircea_popescu	if they didn't bother to grab the soap so far, why'd they muddle with the rope henceforth ?	[09:01]
cazalla	given they are xenophobic beyond what i could ever be, i expect them to put up a little more resistance to cultural enrichment than the west has to date	[09:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00083912 = 15.9433 BTC [-]	[09:02]
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mircea_popescu	no man that can't be bothered to fuck the woman cares if she goes astray, srsly nao.	[09:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22723 @ 0.0008379 = 19.0396 BTC [-] {2}	[09:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.00540004 = 0.378 BTC [-] {3}	[09:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.0059416 = 0.1545 BTC [-]	[09:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1580 @ 0.00013311 = 0.2103 BTC [-] {7}	[09:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.60000273 = 9 BTC [-] {3}	[09:15]
cazalla	i've no retort to that (as much as i've sat here thinking of one)	[09:19]
mircea_popescu	well then i can go to bed	[09:22]
chetty	cazalla: cultural enrichment ? hmm	[09:22]
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mircea_popescu	good morning chitlins	[14:26]
mircea_popescu	.d	[14:26]
ozbot	4.250 billion \| Next Diff in 659 blocks \| Estimated Change: 11.8648% in 4d 0h 41m 0s	[14:26]
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nubbins`	morning	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell benkay http://trilema.com/2013/things-that-matter-these-days-things-that-dont-matter-these-days/#comment-98630 hapoy now ? :D	[14:30]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[14:30]
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nubbins`	ah, so crimea has been officially annexed	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	more interestingly, visa and mastercard have been officially nationalised	[14:32]
BingoBoingo	They always kind of were.	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	also true.	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	the chief difference between the usa and the cccp being that the usa is in denial about building socialism.	[14:34]
BingoBoingo	This was especially true at the peak of McCarthyism, since Johnson though there's gradually been a little less denial though every generation.	[14:35]
Namworld	mircea, no, I'm not coding for noobs. I just give an advice about not trusting anything just because it looks good because code can't be audited.	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	no but usa != the people living at any given time in the areal. just like cccp != the poor russian and other nationalities engulag'd.	[14:36]
Namworld	But they want me to code an exchange regardless.	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	illegitimate governments never can stand for the peoples they claim to represent.	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	Namworld sounds about right.	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	anyway, why not just use Apocalyptic's thing.	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	not enough scamcoins on it ?	[14:37]
Namworld	eh	[14:37]
daybyter	Namworld: what language you want to use?	[14:37]
Namworld	Have you seen the latest gox?	[14:37]
Namworld	http://tech.sina.com.cn/i/2014-03-21/19489261951.shtml	[14:37]
Namworld	urf, wrong link	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	benkay: at 12, there was a man ranting in ##econometrics about mortgaging himself to the hilt and going long btc. <<< this has long been the practical bank killer.	[14:37]
Namworld	https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20140320-btc-announce.pdf	[14:37]
Namworld	This one is right	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	that man will soon discover that paying back his mortgage is not really in his interest,	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	whatever btc does.	[14:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18567 @ 0.00084096 = 15.6141 BTC [+] {2}	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	lol @the notion of gox still publishing pdfs	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	unless it's a naked karpeles dancing in the streets of tokio for nickels i ain't interested.	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	what's mtgxo.	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	Izzy_: do i need windows? << ahaha she's so cute.	[14:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3483 @ 0.00084294 = 2.936 BTC [+]	[14:39]
Namworld	Gox has now 202k BTC, officially. They also officially don't know how much they have at all.	[14:39]
Namworld	Read it, it's one page in english. It's a good laugh.	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	a, i heard he was claiming that yest	[14:39]
Namworld	Well the official details are entertaining.	[14:40]
nubbins`	mpex on engadget now	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	cazalla you know, i bought tons at about $2.ish per ?	[14:40]
nubbins`	really making the rounds this time	[14:40]
Namworld	You can't make up stuff like that.	[14:40]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/446867449343139841 < kinda been discussed here too	[14:40]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: an order of magnitude lower than me ;(	[14:40]
nubbins`	aha.	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i like bothering people with that figure :D i imagine all the assholes buying 10k for a pizza are long gone so nobody can bother me.	[14:41]
Namworld	I wish I had bought more at 5ish.	[14:41]
nubbins`	heh.	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	men who live in low price houses can afford to throw pricepoints around	[14:41]
nubbins`	first one i ever bought was $11	[14:41]
Namworld	I was a few weeks late.	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` my first buy was 60 * 15	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	i like round numbers.	[14:41]
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nubbins`	i spent most of the early ones	[14:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 676 @ 0.00310111 = 2.0964 BTC [-] {4}	[14:42]
nubbins`	avg price for the ones i still have was around $22	[14:42]
nubbins`	luckily had the foresight to stop spending them	[14:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 87 @ 0.00310008 = 0.2697 BTC [-]	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	i spent about a year with ppl going "wait so you bought at 15 ? but it's not even half that now! you got duped mp!"	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	and i was liek "let me show you how averaging works"	[14:44]
nubbins`	heh	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	"all you need is an infinity of moneyz, you'll be just fine"	[14:44]
nubbins`	TBF i was buying btc and pushing them into SR as fast as i could, and pascale said "maybe we should sit on a few k's"	[14:45]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Roughly when did you start lawyering up and working on the MPEx/MPOE legal contingencies?	[14:45]
nubbins`	wise woman :0	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo roughly july 2011.	[14:45]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Cool, working on a blog post.	[14:45]
nubbins`	surprising amount of art for sale on btctalk	[14:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14456 @ 0.00084295 = 12.1857 BTC [+] {2}	[14:49]
only_	nubbins`: so Bitcoin isn't made for spending, huh?	[14:49]
Namworld	The finest counterfeit Picasso's alongside $1 store paintings?	[14:50]
nubbins`	what makes ya think that?	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	so i can't really believe it, but after being on everywhere trilema ain't been down.	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	i would say moore's law officially solved the problem of slashdotting, permanently.	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	unless you're being silly, it won't happen.	[14:50]
Namworld	So it seems.	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin's made for spendin' like them tits are made for squeezin'. not all the time not by everyone.	[14:51]
only_	haha	[14:51]
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nubbins`	with the caveat that tits are better squeezed now than later	[14:52]
nubbins`	and btc, the opposite	[14:52]
nubbins`	http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/19/science/flies-that-do-calculus-with-their-wings.html?hpw&rref=science	[14:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00310007 = 0.31 BTC [-] {2}	[14:53]
only	dat fixed supply!!1	[14:53]
nubbins`	in fact, tits are inflationary just like btc	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	also deflationary.	[14:54]
nubbins`	there's a pun hidden in there if anyone's looking	[14:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14757 @ 0.00084338 = 12.4458 BTC [+]	[14:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00083704 = 10.3793 BTC [-]	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjMajHFCUAAaocD.jpg < this explains who gets hurt if the us keeps on yakking.	[14:57]
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ReutersEmily	Howdy	[15:04]
kakobrekla	hi	[15:05]
BingoBoingo	Hello	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/446995984758108161	[15:05]
ozbot	Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @MKRocks @felixsalmon $1k USD ...	[15:05]
ReutersEmily	I am completely unfamiliar with the etiquette in here	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	who knew, mpex is 50% better than the best investment in the history of venture investment.	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily hello.	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	don't worry about the etiquette, it fell off.	[15:05]
ReutersEmily	Oh so glad you are here mircea_popescu	[15:06]
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ReutersEmily	How does MPEx work? Can one chose what specific investments one wants to make or is it a portfolio chosen by MPEx?	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily mpex works exactly like the nyse, if nyse worked as intended.	[15:07]
blackwhite	morning men	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	you put your orders in, it executes them.	[15:08]
ReutersEmily	Ok so you buy private placement share on MPEx	[15:08]
ReutersEmily	like could I buy shares of AirBnB?	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	i'm not sure what you mean by " private placement " but probably.	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	a, no. you buy shares of companies registered with mpex.	[15:08]
ReutersEmily	ok	[15:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00594041 = 0.1723 BTC [-]	[15:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 139 @ 0.0031 = 0.4309 BTC [-] {5}	[15:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.05468 = 0.2734 BTC [+] {2}	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	you can't buy say british petroleum on nyse unless someone does a dr deal.	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	which do happen occasionally in bitcoin, but not really for fiat companies,	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	mostly because bitcoiners aren't interested in fiat investments	[15:09]
ReutersEmily	and all of the transactions are conducted in Bitcoin then?	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	like nyse does all deals in dollars,	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	so mpex does all deals in bitcoin	[15:09]
ReutersEmily	ok	[15:09]
ReutersEmily	so Havelock is the same, right?	[15:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05533333 = 0.166 BTC [+] {3}	[15:09]
BingoBoingo	Well X.EUR is a thing	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	it aspires to be the same.	[15:09]
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ReutersEmily	what if i have an idea for a startup, can i register with you before my company is really up and running in order to get some funding for my idea?	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	people try all the time, some succeed, some don;t.	[15:10]
ReutersEmily	as in - some make it through your registration process and others don't? or can anyone register, and then it's just sink or swim, it's a matter of whether they can attract funds?	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	s.nsa is a fine example of one company that succeeded. the owner there came up with the idea of making an actually cryptographically secure gpg gizmo	[15:11]
Namworld	Havelock works boh as an exchange, and as a broker. It makes it easy to trade, no opening fee and large trade fees. MPEx works like an actual exchabge. Not much interface, very high security, high entry fee for a seat, low trading fees.	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily well, again just like the nyse. you have to satisfy a due dilligence process.	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	if you just let anyone randomly registering you end up with the pink sheets, basically.	[15:12]
ReutersEmily	so what kinds of people or companies do not make it thru your dd process?	[15:12]
ReutersEmily	like, what are the disqualifiers?	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	well, people without a business plan, people without an established identity, etc	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/how-does-one-list-on-mpex/	[15:13]
ozbot	How does one list on MPEx ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	there's a discussion on the topic.	[15:13]
ReutersEmily	ah - cool - thanks	[15:13]
ReutersEmily	So I see you posted the SEC letter on your site	[15:13]
ReutersEmily	that is unusual, to say the least	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	to quote one excited city trader,	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	"i read it and shared it with everyone i knew. i think it was fantastic. i was going to congratulate you on it yesterday but i figured you were too busy."	[15:14]
ReutersEmily	yeah it is really cool from my perspective (i cover SEC enforcement, etc) to get to see how they operate like that	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	so then good.	[15:15]
ReutersEmily	what else are you going to do about it?	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	as i was pointing out to someone from i don't remember where yesterday,	[15:15]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2014#571077	[15:17]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	you may want to pick up the glove she failed to identify.	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	(washington post, i'm reminded meanwhile)	[15:17]
ReutersEmily	You were saying the SEC already discussed whether they could have jurisdiction over bitcoin exchanges?	[15:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00304264 = 0.1004 BTC [-] {4}	[15:18]
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mircea_popescu	no, i am saying their debate as to whethet to come out and say its not in their yeard or not ended up in fishtails last tiem they tried to come to a declaration.	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	that'll need a rephrase.	[15:19]
ReutersEmily	does MPEx offer currency exchange services as well?	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	not currently, not ever.	[15:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00304003 = 0.1003 BTC [-] {3}	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	there are websites that purport to do this for you, if you can trust them. canonically bitcoin is obtained by mining it.	[15:20]
pizzaman1337	X.EUR....?	[15:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05599998 = 0.168 BTC [+]	[15:20]
ReutersEmily	can U.S. - based customers use MPEx?	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	x.eur is a settled euro future handled by bitcoin-central's davout, so i suppose you could use that.	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily i have no idea.	[15:21]
pizzaman1337	such a loaded question	[15:21]
ReutersEmily	I'm just trying to figure out how the SEC would argue it has jurisdiction	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	i don't think it would or is trying to.	[15:22]
ReutersEmily	like, some other sites that deal in bitcoin have tried to stay out of range of US regulators by not letting people with US IP addresses log on	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	best anyone can determine, the sec is merely trying to cope with the serious problems of fraud enabled by unscrupulous operators	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	such as glbse, btct, havelock, bitfunder et all.	[15:22]
BingoBoingo	MPEx doesn't really have a "log in"	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	there has been a lengthy list of wannabe-mpex websites to date, it all ended bloody.	[15:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.00304 = 0.3344 BTC [-] {2}	[15:22]
ReutersEmily	are the rest of those (besides havelock) NYSE-type exchanges as well?	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	no, the ones besides havelock are dead.	[15:23]
ReutersEmily	how did it end bloody for the other sites?	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	people booking the traditional 50% losses in half year.	[15:23]
ReutersEmily	yikes	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	yhes.	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	so you know, on the ground there's quite legitimate concern.	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	i have an entyire department dedicated to researching and outing scams	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	i spend hundreds of my own btc to create evidentiary trails	[15:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05683332 = 0.341 BTC [+] {5}	[15:24]
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ReutersEmily	how many people in your scam-outing dept and what do they do?	[15:24]
pizzaman1337	how many people work for MPEx? (while we're asking questions...)	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily about a dozen, it varies. they review public communications, keep track on the status of various purported btc companies, make regular statements etc.	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	pizzaman1337 over a hundred by now if you count absolutely everyone.	[15:25]
ReutersEmily	What is the volume of trading on MPEx?	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily it varies wildly. currently in the 20-30k btc range. during one month it handled 400k btc in notional options exposure	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	which at the time worked out to well over half a billion.	[15:25]
ReutersEmily	when you say 20-30 thosuand, is that per month?	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	yes	[15:25]
kakobrekla	kanzure Keefe Ken` kermit kill-9all knotwork Kromulus Kushedout	[15:26]
ReutersEmily	and how many individuals do you think suffered when those other sites blew up?	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	to date i would guess about 20 to 30k different individuals have lost to unscrupulous operators somewhere between half a million and two million bitcoin	[15:26]
pizzaman1337	in the feb report the expenditure was 8.262335 BTC, how does that cover a hundred people?	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	that is easily over a billion dollars in today's market, but at the time btc was valued a lot lower	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	so if you want actual losses i'd guess ten to a hundred million.	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	pizzaman1337 well there's this dastardly ambiguity in working for mp/working for mpex.	[15:27]
ReutersEmily	does MPEx keep track of where its users are located physically?	[15:28]
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mircea_popescu	it doesn't, mostly because it can't.	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	do you understand symmetric key cryptography ?	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	you don't have to run research it, just say no if you don't an' i'll explain. it's not really too complicated.	[15:30]
ReutersEmily	i do not	[15:30]
BingoBoingo	A bit related to the fact this conversation is happening at all http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/21/the-problem-of-finding-bitcoin/	[15:30]
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mircea_popescu	ok. so let's first look into prime factors. the prime factors of 12 are 2,2,3,3	[15:30]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06300312 = 0.126 BTC [-]	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	because 12 is made up by multiplying 2 and 2 and 3.	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 223	[15:31]
gribble	12	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	with me so far ?	[15:31]
ReutersEmily	yeah	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	ok. can you tell me the prime factors of 30345 ?	[15:31]
pizzaman1337	(not off the top of our heads)	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	as you can imagine, this'd take a while. you'd have to keep trying dividing it	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile, calculating 17×119×5×3 is trivial, and any kid in school should be able to do it.	[15:32]
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mircea_popescu	now it turns out you can use this disparity for great mathematical accomplishments, in the sense that	[15:32]
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mircea_popescu	if you have the 17×119×5×3 set (ie, the private key) you can do some things which someone only having the 30345 (ie, the public key) can not do.	[15:33]
Apocalyptic	not enough scamcoins on it ? // I guess so	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	so now based on this you can send me messages that only i can decrypt, and i can respond in kind.	[15:33]
Apocalyptic	anyway I contacted that guy just for the lulz, if he was willing to pay for such a platform	[15:33]
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ReutersEmily	ok	[15:33]
Apocalyptic	surprisingly he didn't have much coin	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	this is how mpex works : a new user registers his public key with mpex, and registers mpex's public key for himself.	[15:33]
Apocalyptic	and that's an understatement	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	once this is done, there's no more log in, there's no more anything.	[15:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1346 @ 0.00304 = 4.0918 BTC [-]	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	you could just code your message, give it to anyone (publish it on your blog, whatever)	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	only mpex can read it.	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	and in fact you can actually put orders in mpex right from here, by talking to the bots.	[15:34]
ReutersEmily	ok	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/the-many-ways-available-for-talking-to-mpex/ that part is detailed here	[15:34]
ozbot	The many ways available for talking to MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	we use it ocasionally, at least for debugging.	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	so, mpex is not a website in any sense.	[15:35]
ReutersEmily	ok	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic somehow not surprising.	[15:35]
bounce	that's asymmetric aka public key crypto, though. minor point of order.	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	bounce yeah ?	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	o i sayd symmetric sorry. my bad.	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily the advantage of being here. i gain about 15 iq points when surrounded by these folks.	[15:36]
ReutersEmily	speaking of advantages, does MPEx make any money from individual trades?	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	there's a 0.2% fee on all trades for the seller only.	[15:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0030256 = 0.6051 BTC [-] {2}	[15:37]
ReutersEmily	Thanks. And the way you just described the public key crypto, in trading terms, it sounds like MPEx is the counterparty to all trades?	[15:37]
ReutersEmily	or am I missing something	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	not at all.	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	how do you reason ?	[15:37]
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ReutersEmily	like, if someone wants to sell something, MPEx is the buyer, and then MPEx turns around and finds a buyer?	[15:38]
ReutersEmily	or do you link buyers and sellers directly?	[15:38]
Apocalyptic	Apocalyptic somehow not surprising. // that was ironic :)	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	mpex ensures that he who orders a buy or a sell has enough of whatever is needed, stocks, btc	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	and then whenever someone orders a crossing sell or buy, the trade is executed and reported to the parties.	[15:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.00302 = 0.3201 BTC [-]	[15:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90475 @ 0.00084285 = 76.2569 BTC [+] {5}	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	again quite exactly as the nyse works.	[15:39]
ReutersEmily	and how do you verify the share holdings of an individual seller?	[15:39]
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ReutersEmily	like, i can see how you would be able to verify the btc holdings	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	how ?	[15:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29525 @ 0.00086236 = 25.4612 BTC [+] {7}	[15:40]
ReutersEmily	you say you make sure that he who orders a buy or a sell has enough of whatever is needed	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	$vwap s.mpoe	[15:40]
mpexbot	mircea_popescu: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00083879 high: 0.00096 low: 0.00080946 volume: 565745 btc: 474.53976688 7 day: average: 0.00082712 high: 0.00096 low: 0.00079506 volume: 6204983 btc: 5132.28943247 30 day: average: 0.00084866 high: 0.00096 low: 0.000745 volume: 29190747 btc: 24773.1627663	[15:40]
ReutersEmily	I can understand how you could verify BTC holdings but not quite how you could verify the share holdings	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	heh sweet stability.	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily well, why not ? they seem of the same kind no ?	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	mpex keeps a list of what a signature owns, in btc or instruments.	[15:41]
ReutersEmily	ok	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	anyway, give a contract a read sometime	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET	[15:42]
ozbot	S.BBET last 2000@0.00045000	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	such as.	[15:42]
ReutersEmily	will do	[15:42]
Namworld	The fact it works like it is makes communications for trades and information very secure, using strong encryption. It works like one would make orders digitally with an actual stock exchange. Low fees per trade too. But high entry fee and no interface.	[15:42]
ReutersEmily	so do you think exchanges like MPEx will eventually need regulation the way NYSE needs it - to prevent corners and other bad behavior?	[15:43]
Namworld	One can buy a registration with MPEx and then actually provide the brokering service, complete with actual web interface. Such as what coinbr.com did.	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	mpex does have regulation,	[15:43]
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mircea_popescu	what mpex does is for fiat institutions to recognise there are people who understand how things work and are currently working to prevent such corner cases and bad behaviour	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	and help with the process of limiting those.	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	what mpex needs*	[15:44]
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mircea_popescu	for instance : i've written a standard for accounting	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/	[15:44]
ozbot	Accounting for the nonzero asset corporation. The MPEx standard. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Pope	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	i force mpex corps to publiush monthly reports,	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	there's a lengthy list, and all this is strictly a mpex thing, nobody else does it.	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	tho i tell them to. but what's in a telling ?	[15:45]
ReutersEmily	so that would be similar to the SEC's reporting requirements for public companies	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	very.	[15:45]
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ReutersEmily	but when you say there are people who are trying to prevent bad behavior, how do they do that?	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily take for instance mpoe-pr. you familiar with her body of work ?	[15:46]
ReutersEmily	do you have limits on how many shares in a single company can be bought by a single signature?	[15:46]
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mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily not other than the limits of how many shares there exist in that company.	[15:46]
Namworld	MPEx at its core was made to be simple, secure and without any extras. Designed to be a true exchange. Other places so far dealing with Bitcoin securities have both the issuing and official trades of share, and the web interface. It makes them vulnerable to hacking and meddling with the list of holders.	[15:46]
ReutersEmily	I am not familiar with mpoe-pr	[15:47]
ReutersEmily	where can i find her work?	[15:47]
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mircea_popescu	one sec	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	;;google mpoe-pr	[15:47]
gribble	View the profile of MPOE-PR - Bitcoin Forum: ; Latest posts of: MPOE-PR - Bitcoin Forum: ; MPOE-PR, almost two years in the swamp. An anthology. pe Trilema ...:	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	there you go.	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	jesus google has gotten good meanwhile ?!	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	what year is this! how long have i been asleep ?!	[15:48]
Namworld	MPOE-PR exposes scams and belittles random strangers looking for investments/offering a service which involves handling third party funds, without any respectability or proof of competency.	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily anyway, some highlights include calling out the pirate scam in april 2012, at a time everyone thought they knew better,	[15:49]
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mircea_popescu	and unravelling a bunch of scammers posing as "bitcoin bankers" and issuing "credit ratings" and whatnot	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	and a lot of numerous other cases.	[15:49]
ReutersEmily	so...perhaps you don't want to discuss it here but i would love to know what you think of the new cyprus-based 'bank'	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	now, if the sec had actually had a gpgkey registered with me in april 2012,	[15:50]
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mircea_popescu	we could have together avoided a shitton of loss and misery.	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	and if the sec was at my april 2013 conference, they could have known about mtgox nine months in advance,	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	like anyone in btc with a clue	[15:50]
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ReutersEmily	what do you think went wrong w/mt gox?	[15:50]
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mircea_popescu	rather than six montrhs after, like your run of the mill overworked, overwhelmed, sclerotic bureaucracy.	[15:51]
Namworld	On Bitcointalk forum. She tends to be very accurate, yet most often dismissed. In the end, she is usually proven right, sadly for those who didn't heed her warnings.	[15:51]
ReutersEmily	think it was a guy who couldn't run an exchange or an outside theft?	[15:51]
Monarch03	Mircea, what is your opinion about ASICminer, from investment point of view right now? thanks	[15:51]
BingoBoingo	http://trilema.com/2013/grave-concerns-re-mtgox/	[15:51]
ozbot	Grave concerns re MtGox pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily it's really all published	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/grave-concerns-re-mtgox/	[15:51]
ozbot	Grave concerns re MtGox pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[15:51]
Namworld	I'm sorry, I'm probably just interupting and distracting from your questions to Mircea.	[15:51]
ReutersEmily	so when is your next conference mircea_popescu?	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	in about a month.	[15:52]
ReutersEmily	can i come?	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/	[15:52]
ozbot	The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	you'll have to read and talk to your editor	[15:52]
pizzaman1337	signup closed 15th	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	but in principle yes	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	pizzaman1337 well i imagine she wants to come as press rather than vip	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily if not, there's going to be another in 2015 anyway, so.	[15:53]
ReutersEmily	yeah i would want to come as press. altho since we have people far closer to Romania than I am here in NYC perhaps one of my colleagues would go instead	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	just as long as they understand what's going on.	[15:54]
ReutersEmily	so can we talk about Cyprus?	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[15:54]
ReutersEmily	what is going on there, in your opinion?	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	well their govt collapsed and it seems messy	[15:55]
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ReutersEmily	what about specifically in the btc space?	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	why are you asking me ?	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	oh. i dunno, it's a small country.	[15:56]
ReutersEmily	because i want to know what you think about some of the new businesses popping up there	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	the neobee people bought a lot of newspaper space recently, that hat you mean ?	[15:56]
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ReutersEmily	yeah what do you think of them?	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	nothing too highly. to keep this short and sweet, the objections are :	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	a) that while neobee collected funds (on havelock), they have yet to issue a report. this is eerily reminescent of the bitcoin foundation scam, and does not bode well	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	b) that while neobee spends a lot of time executing, it's so far failed to actually come up with a business plan. anyone can buy advertising, and overpay for it.	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	c) that havelock has a history of allowing high rent corporations to just walk away from their obligations, such as they did in the case of virtex,	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	resulting in a good 4k btc loss for their "investors".	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	among others.	[15:58]
ReutersEmily	what about the fact that neobee is collectuing euros promising customers exposure to btc "with none of the risk?"	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	well that seems just about the average stupid thing they'd say.	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	recently, it was discovered (here) that they had misworded their contract.	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	let me find it for you	[15:59]
kakobrekla	its a prospectus.	[16:00]
LordPutin	<3 Putin forever	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	aha. ReutersEmily http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2014#567341	[16:01]
ReutersEmily	thanks	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily anyway, if you're positive-constructively inclined, they probably mean "with none of the risk holding your own btc entails, such as you not having a clue and deleting the wallet"	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	obviously this is not what one would read, be that one reasonable or otherwise, and obviously this point is not lost on them.	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	but this is what passes for "pr" these days, at least at the havelock level of things.	[16:02]
ReutersEmily	who runs havelock?	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	well apparently nobody.	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	a guy by the name topace used to, and claims he is no longer because some offshore corp bought it.	[16:03]
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mircea_popescu	i buy that just about as much as any other flying pigs scenario.	[16:03]
BingoBoingo	"Moved to Panama"	[16:03]
ReutersEmily	well they have numbers you can call for help or whatever	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	until the securities and exchange comission of panama figures out how to work with me, i guess this shitshow'll continue.	[16:04]
BingoBoingo	For a while "moving to Panama" was such a popular claim it was nearly a meme in this space	[16:04]
ReutersEmily	i called one yesterday and got a recording and a menu	[16:04]
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mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily splendid. so what did you order ?	[16:04]
ReutersEmily	nothing	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	i hear the sichuan duck is good.	[16:04]
ReutersEmily	but someone has to be running it	[16:04]
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LordPutin	i called them once and Dave from fbi answered	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	if you hang around maybe topace sees the highlights.	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	(this software works so that if anyone is mentioned - or has any strings of interest mentioned - they get a signal)	[16:05]
ReutersEmily	topace?	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo it seems just by the time you're done with your post you can start on another eh.	[16:06]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: So it seems	[16:06]
ReutersEmily	BingoBoingo where do you post	[16:06]
kakobrekla	just bash it.	[16:06]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: The first one was done, maybe an hour ago http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/21/the-problem-of-finding-bitcoin/	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla does assbot support this many lines ? such wow. much amount.	[16:06]
BingoBoingo	ReutersEmily: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com	[16:07]
kakobrekla	not enough doges to cover for it.	[16:07]
khersonus	Reuters on IRC? I can't decide if this is the future or the past, but I like it.	[16:07]
BingoBoingo	!b 1200	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	it's the future in the past.	[16:07]
assbot	Last 1200 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1750786/plain/)	[16:07]
khersonus	ReutersEmily: how did you find out about this place?	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	and now the hunter becomes the prey :D	[16:08]
khersonus	normally I just read the logs, but this was worth hopping on for	[16:08]
ReutersEmily	khersonus I wanted to talk to mircea_popescu about the SEC letter	[16:08]
khersonus	awesome	[16:08]
Namworld	khersonus, there was no proof provided that whoever is asking question is from Reuters. Someone joined and asked questions. People are answering. It could be left at that. Does it matter how or why someone arrived here?	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	nah im pretty sure it's the genuine article.	[16:10]
ReutersEmily	Huh I wonder how I would go about proving I'm from Reuters - happy to offer proof if you want	[16:10]
ReutersEmily	you can email me at emily.flitter@thomsonreuters.com	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily do you have a twitter ?	[16:10]
ReutersEmily	yeah its @FlitterOnFraud	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	so twitter anything related to this convo	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	i'm @mircea_popescu	[16:10]
ReutersEmily	oh sure thing	[16:11]
nubbins`	i have to say, things are interesting around here lately	[16:11]
khersonus	Namworld: I felt the need to ask, so I asked. Does it matter that I asked?	[16:11]
Namworld	No need. What I mean is, someone comes in here and ask questions, they'll probably get an answer, wether from the press or just a random stranger. Who the person actually is doesn't matter.	[16:12]
Namworld	khersonus, not really.	[16:12]
ReutersEmily	oh didn't see your handle till after i tweeted hold on i'll do another one	[16:12]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Honestly by 2015 I imagine this will be the norm	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	wow this is the prettiest spring outside	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	everything in my garden's in bloom	[16:13]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu, thank fred phelps	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	whats he do.	[16:13]
Namworld	It's spring already eh? Not in Canada sadly.	[16:13]
nubbins`	Namworld shush, you'll jinx it.	[16:13]
nubbins`	i went outside yesterday without a jacket	[16:13]
nubbins`	it was glorious	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	Namworld it has been for a week. all the cherry trees are pink	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	this shall henceforth be known as the mp curse, too.	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	when i originally picked a date for the secret conference, it was mostly tied to when this particular walkway of cherries would likely be in bloom.	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	then they hurried up and everyone missed it.	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	this year ? idem.	[16:14]
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hdbuck	http://blogs.reuters.com/emily-flitter/ "covering financial crimes, including insider trading, investment scams, accounting fraud and financial firm misconduct" that sounds like a hell of a work. ^^	[16:15]
nubbins`	no cherry blossoms here, but there was a man looking confusedly back and forth between my house, the house next door, and the key in his hand	[16:15]
nubbins`	he eventually decided he didn't live on this street, and wandered off	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/FlitterOnFraud/status/447013452226113536 so there ye go, naysayers.	[16:15]
ozbot	Twitter / FlitterOnFraud: @mircea_popescu I wonder whether ...	[16:15]
ReutersEmily	hdbuck it's a fun beat but i don't think it's good for my blood pressure	[16:16]
LordPutin	dont forget ukyo the bitfunder scam artists	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	you have a blood pressure ?	[16:16]
nubbins`	you don't?!	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	gotta have no blood pressure.	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[16:17]
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mircea_popescu	lmao	[16:17]
ReutersEmily	oh right ukyo	[16:17]
ReutersEmily	i am so glad you rbought that up LordPutin	[16:17]
nubbins`	so what, you strap yourself into a centrifuge feet-out for sleep and head-out for thinking?	[16:17]
LordPutin	he ripped off people like 5 million dollars	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` it's complicated and has a lot to do with spiders.	[16:18]
LordPutin	mircea will fill you in	[16:18]
ReutersEmily	i also am trying to find out - why did he (Jon Montroll) go to hang out with Danny Brewster after that happened, and how did that whole thing get resolved?	[16:18]
BingoBoingo	And that thing might be related to the Cyprus thing, kinds	[16:18]
nubbins`	oh god spiders D:	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	gotta remember, we're on the web. and the web is for spiders.	[16:18]
ReutersEmily	yeah	[16:18]
Namworld	Ah, Ukyo still owes me a large sum.	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily well you know, people ocasionally go hang out. but	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	;;seen Ukyo	[16:18]
gribble	Ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 11 hours, 53 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: Kinda hard to give what doesnt exist.	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	he was here recently, so perhaps can get back to you.	[16:18]
ReutersEmily	I would love to get in touch with him.	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily one of the better things you can do is get an irc client and set it up. thgat way you have your own logs, highlights, tab completes etc	[16:19]
BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2014#570975	[16:19]
thestringpuller	did the Ukyo loan default	[16:19]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[16:19]
Namworld	He doesn't speak much at all usually. I doubt he'll talk to the press when he refuses to say anything to anyone.	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	(for instance i don't write out ReutersEmily every time i name you, i just type out re)	[16:19]
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thestringpuller	is ThickAsThieves the only person to issue a bond and not fuck over people?	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller namworld did it.	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	a bunch of people did it.	[16:20]
thestringpuller	oh yea BTC.BOND	[16:20]
LordPutin	ukyo must pay for his crimes	[16:20]
ReutersEmily	what is an irc client	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	there was some unfortunate guy that took out a bond in btc and paid it out early on	[16:20]
thestringpuller	ReutersEmily: aren't you on an irc client right now?	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily what os do you use ?	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller she's on the webchat thing	[16:20]
Namworld	Software to access IRC channels. I suppose you're using the webchat?	[16:20]
dexX7	webchat	[16:20]
dexX7	look at the hostmask	[16:21]
ReutersEmily	uh...they just upgraded our computers here at work to windows whatever - 7?	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	a ok.	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	;;google windows 7 irc client	[16:21]
gribble	The Top 7 Best Free IRC Clients for Windows 7 - MakeUseOf: ; Good IRC Clients? : windows - Reddit: ; XChat: Multiplatform Chat Program:	[16:21]
thestringpuller	lol mIRC it up	[16:21]
Namworld	You can log from an actual, complete client of your choice. Usually comes with logs and more features.	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	pick from there.	[16:21]
nubbins`	ReutersEmily: most of us use dedicated software to connect to irc, rather than a website like you're using	[16:21]
ReutersEmily	yeah i'm using the webchat right now	[16:21]
nubbins`	ReutersEmily: sort of like gmail vs. outlook	[16:21]
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thestringpuller	lol outlook	[16:21]
BingoBoingo	Except Webchat doesn't log	[16:21]
ReutersEmily	cool thanks	[16:21]
thestringpuller	you mean gmail vs thunderbird :P	[16:21]
nubbins`	thestringpuller: last office i worked in used lotus notes ;D	[16:21]
thestringpuller	(i kid)	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` nice example nubsy. it's totally like outlook.	[16:21]
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thestringpuller	my last office used lotus too!	[16:22]
Namworld	[10:19] thestringpuller namworld did it.	[16:22]
ReutersEmily	when you say, "log," BingoBoingo, you mean save records of every chat so you can go back and read it after?	[16:22]
bounce	reutersemily, mind a personal opinion question?	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily exactly.	[16:22]
nubbins`	thestringpuller: great for when you want your computer to freeze when opening an email	[16:22]
Namworld	Well technically I have yet to repay everyone, so, no, that's not yet a fact.	[16:22]
thestringpuller	:D	[16:22]
dexX7	this channel is logged anyway: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	Namworld ah ? didn't know that. how much you still have out ?	[16:22]
thestringpuller	someone understands my pain	[16:22]
BingoBoingo	ReutersEmily: Right. This channel has a log linked in the topic, but for other channels and conversations you depend on your client to keep logs for you	[16:22]
ReutersEmily	bounce no i don't mind	[16:22]
bounce	since you're covering fraud and stuff, what do you think about this stance that insider trading shouldn't be illegal?	[16:23]
Namworld	About 180 BTC, more or less. I would need to check.	[16:23]
nubbins`	that's a stance?!	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily the real reason you want a client is that you can then install otr, which is a cryptographically secure plugin allowing you to have private conversations safe from any snoops. and that is good quality safety, not the sort of crud normally peddled.	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	really if i had to talk to a ws whistleblower, thats what i'd use, or else pgp over email.	[16:23]
dexX7	teach her	[16:23]
bounce	forgot who wrote the piece I remember reading, quick google tells me john carney and dylan matthews said things to that tune not too long ago	[16:23]
ReutersEmily	mircea_popescu I would love to do that	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	aite. lots to read, lots to absorb. pace yourself	[16:24]
ReutersEmily	bounce I think carney does think that	[16:24]
nubbins`	i tried to get a local CBC investigative reporter set up w/ pgp	[16:24]
nubbins`	it didn't really take	[16:24]
LordPutin	that's terrible Namworld i feelforyou	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	hey, bounce has good q's.	[16:24]
bounce	well that's clear enough. :)	[16:24]
ReutersEmily	ok so regarding that insider trading question	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	Namworld but you were about 2k at the top right ?	[16:25]
Namworld	2k? No, never over 500 BTC.	[16:25]
ReutersEmily	i guess the people who think insider trading shouldn't be illegal argue that if you can work hard for the advantage--ie get contacts inside a company to leak you stuff or whatever, you deserve the competitive advantage?	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	a ok	[16:25]
Namworld	I think you're thinking of something else.	[16:26]
ReutersEmily	but the opposite view is that it makes the markets totally unfair	[16:26]
ReutersEmily	how could joe schmoe with an eTrade account ever compete	[16:26]
BingoBoingo	I rather hope the SEC decides to be friends http://bitbet.us/bet/790/mpex-to-become-sec-recognized-sro-in-2014/?ref=17sTosfHxNzGD4VUP3pjoHCEVofzSEcL95	[16:26]
nubbins`	as an investor, i'd be pretty sore if an officer of the company in which i invested started telling his buddies when to sell	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily well the better opposite view is that it's really not against the people working at companies' interest to allow that "hard work" to fruit, as opposed to the interest of the actual companies.	[16:26]
ReutersEmily	i guess, without offering too much of an opinion since I am a journalist and not supposed to have any, i would add that the markets aren't fair anyway	[16:26]
Namworld	Information on the market is assymetric everywhere else, almost. I don't see why force it for securities.	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	Namworld this is exactly the equivalent of "why regulate psychoactives" debate. because if you can you must, and if it's legal to do amphetamines companies will start mandating their employees do it.	[16:27]
bounce	difference between having an opinion and letting it colour your writing, which could well be a challenge to separate.	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	unless you want to live in a world of socialised dope care, it'll have to stay illegal.	[16:28]
ReutersEmily	mircea_popescu you're right it also does affect the stability of a company's stock price theoretically when you have insider activity	[16:28]
nubbins`	socialised dope care	[16:28]
bounce	but anyway, thanks.	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily i wouldn't want to be in any board where the ceo goes "well icahn just offered me 50mn, what you guys got"	[16:28]
ReutersEmily	bounce have you heard of Steve Cohen?	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	because i'd likely just start screaming and overturning tables.	[16:29]
Namworld	No, it's not like saying you must mandate it, you can't mandate assymetry, it naturally occurs.	[16:29]
ReutersEmily	if insider trading were legal we would have an even deeper gap between have and have nots	[16:30]
bounce	the name popped up in a wonkblog piece I googled just now; could well be the one I read earlier. name didn't stick, but he got done for insider trading.	[16:30]
dexX7	mpex as sro.. would this also imply things like the rota project? http://trilema.com/2012/the-mpex-rota/	[16:30]
ReutersEmily	bounce	[16:30]
nubbins`	ah, the rota	[16:30]
ReutersEmily	he sort of got done in but sort of not	[16:30]
ReutersEmily	yeah	[16:30]
nubbins`	kinda sad i missed out on that	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 perhaps. though the rota project as originally designed proved unworkable. it'd have to be worked on.	[16:31]
ReutersEmily	anyway, Cohen said in a deposition a few years ago he thought insider trading rules were "vague"	[16:31]
dexX7	yes, but i really like the idea.	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily now that they are.	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 i do think there's something there myself. just, you know... apparently it also burns.	[16:31]
dexX7	i read it :p	[16:31]
bounce	hard to see how they would not be	[16:31]
ReutersEmily	well they're pretty straightforward in that you have to have a tipper and a tipee, and the tipee has to know that the tipper is getting a personal benifit in exchange for giving out inside info	[16:32]
ReutersEmily	so actually mircea_popescu i am sure i can find this on your site too but how do you keep people from insider trading on MPEx?	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily you've followed the cases in the past few years, since it's your beat. would you say in each and every one it was your opinion that the actions as decided by either sec or courts were in fact correct ?	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	i don't, mostly because i can't.	[16:33]
Namworld	But at the same time, if you need to work hard to earn through Business, why shouldn't those who have information through working hard not trade on it? Why prevent use of such information? I would perhaps only agree to go against management insider trading in case of catastrophic scenario (undeclared losses/bankruptcy), where management would probably both have ruined the company and	[16:34]
Namworld	yet cleared the orderbook.	[16:34]
ReutersEmily	mircea_popescu regarding cases brought over the past few years....of the 79 criminal insider trading cases brought by Manhattan federal prosecutor, not one has ended in an acquittal	[16:34]
Namworld	But never prevent insider trading on the buying side.	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily i asked for your own call.	[16:34]
thestringpuller	http://i.imgur.com/gE8hDnY.jpg	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	consider for instance the outrageous case of the swiss heinz options traders.	[16:35]
nubbins`	thestringpuller +1	[16:35]
ReutersEmily	mircea_popescu i know. i don't know each of the cases well enough to be able to say they were "all correct"	[16:35]
nubbins`	"so are you gonna cash out when btc hits ?"	[16:35]
Namworld	But I haven't had time to think about this topic in details to form a specific or resilient opinion of the matter.	[16:35]
nubbins`	"i won't have to"	[16:35]
ReutersEmily	but of the cases i did cover closely i never saw a defendant i thought was wrongly accused.	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` fuck, i could have said that. who beat me to the punch ?	[16:36]
nubbins`	morpheus apparently	[16:36]
nubbins`	see tsp's link	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	that is EXACTLY the point. go morpheus.	[16:36]
mod6	:)	[16:36]
nubbins`	i was actually explaining this to my mother yesterday	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	i was actually explaining this to a guy from wired yesterday	[16:36]
nubbins`	she said ":0"	[16:36]
nubbins`	heh.	[16:36]
nubbins`	did he say :0?	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	"o x y z won't invest in btc" "dude, it matters not if they do it directly or tyhrough n layers abstracting it from you, it's still what's going on"	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` he said "i shall ponder this over tea"	[16:37]
*	nubbins` spits	[16:37]
nubbins`	poor guy ;(	[16:37]
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ReutersEmily	i lost you guys on that last little bit	[16:38]
ReutersEmily	maybe it's because i haven't seen the matrix	[16:38]
nubbins`	heh.	[16:38]
mod6	wat	[16:38]
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nubbins`	ReutersEmily: a common question is "so will you cash out all your btc when it reaches ?"	[16:39]
nullp	exit	[16:39]
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nubbins`	which begs the question a bit	[16:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06301302 = 0.126 BTC [+]	[16:39]
Namworld	Well it's pretty much what's said in the movie, edited a bit to include Bitcoin.	[16:39]
nubbins`	since if btc has reached a large usd value, it would be because you can actually use it as currency in a great many places	[16:39]
ReutersEmily	as in, people asumme you're going to get "out" of bitcoin	[16:39]
ReutersEmily	instead of continuing to function in it	[16:39]
ReutersEmily	and that is what you were trying to explain to the wired guy who had to go and drink tea and think about it afterwards?	[16:39]
nubbins`	for example: if 1btc=$1m, i wouldn't need to "cash out" because i could just as easily spend my btc at walmart	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily instead of everyone else having to get in, wanting or not.	[16:40]
Namworld	So yeah, if BTC is ever worth a fortune each, there will probably be no need to trade them for cash, they'll probably be widely accepted by then for them to have appreciated that much..	[16:40]
ReutersEmily	ok i get it	[16:40]
nubbins`	the implication being that widespread acceptance is the only thing that will lead to sustained high value	[16:40]
ReutersEmily	yeah that makes sense	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	check out how confusing irc can be!	[16:40]
nubbins`	it's a bit of an "a-ha moment"	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	it gets worse, too.	[16:40]
ReutersEmily	then maybe people will just be asking if you are going to get out the trading	[16:40]
ReutersEmily	like the way you talk about hedge fund guys who make zillions and could retire at 40	[16:41]
nubbins`	ReutersEmily: in my experience, those who day trade don't really hold long-term, and vice versa	[16:41]
Namworld	That would make more sense, at least for those that daytrade.	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	i would agree. there's about a million btc represented here,	[16:41]
nubbins`	for example, i don't day trade, and i don't think most others here do either	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	of which i doubt very much is traded on any sort of a daily basis.	[16:41]
ReutersEmily	have you all met in real life?	[16:42]
Namworld	1 million? In here? Hmm... Perhaps.	[16:42]
nubbins`	i've met none of these people in real life, and don't have any plans to	[16:42]
nubbins`	altho i think a fair number of people in here will be hitting up the conference	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` does that make you a shut in ?	[16:42]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: only on irc ;D	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	so a shut irc	[16:43]
nubbins`	not much of a ring to it	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily i've met a few, but as a general rule no.	[16:43]
Namworld	Some have met some of the people in this channel. Although there's currently over an hundred participant and it varies a lot from day to day.	[16:43]
nubbins`	i met people from irc only once in my life, and it was pretty goddamn weird	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	;;seen nefario	[16:43]
gribble	nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 25 weeks, 2 days, 18 hours, 43 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: Those assets are not listed or traded anymore	[16:43]
nubbins`	this was maybe 12 years ago	[16:43]
Namworld	I haven't met anyone in this channel in person. At least not knowingly. But I haven't attended any Bitcoin related event to start with.	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	now that guy, who was running glbse, met a bunch of these folks irl.	[16:43]
nubbins`	well ya know. successful scammers shake hands	[16:44]
nubbins`	what a word for hands that starts with S?	[16:44]
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mircea_popescu	i like gribble's precision at any rate. it was x y z and 45 seconds ago.	[16:45]
Namworld	Nefario returned most BTC, decided to screw it for the remainder and disappear.	[16:45]
ReutersEmily	so...Reuters is just getting into the coverage of bitcoin....do you guys have buring questions you'd like to see answered in a mainstream press article?	[16:45]
radan	what is the future of bitcoin	[16:45]
nubbins`	heh.	[16:45]
radan	is bitcoin even real	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily if you manage to idle here you'll get the scoops as they happen.	[16:45]
nubbins`	ReutersEmily ^	[16:45]
Namworld	I think that's been covered too much, radan.	[16:45]
radan	how many of these dang bitcoins are there anyway	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	pretty much all the major stories broke here, often days early	[16:45]
ThickerThanThiev	so much log to catch up on...	[16:46]
nubbins`	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com is the morning newspaper for happenings in this space	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	ThickerThanThiev o hey, neobee is in there.	[16:46]
nubbins`	lots of cruft, but diamonds hidden in the rough	[16:46]
chetty	I'd love to see the press stick a knife in the "bitcoin is a ponzi" meme	[16:46]
Namworld	Well true, events are usually known in Bitcoin IRC channels days before they make the news outlets.	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	qualifications for journalism these days. "must be young and like to read"	[16:46]
BingoBoingo	ThickerThanThiev: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2014#571830	[16:47]
Namworld	News people don't seem to hang on IRC too much, although who knows, maybe some of those silent people are from some news outlets.	[16:47]
nubbins`	Namworld you'd hope so	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	chetty that's a cute one. i recently saw a reference to the beanie babies. conveniently failing to mention that this thing's been going for five years, and dropped precipitously three times at least	[16:47]
dexX7	Namworld: too much noise usually	[16:47]
ReutersEmily	well one thing we have a hard time with is how to verify stuff that is said or posted on these forums	[16:48]
Namworld	Yes, that and they don't have much time to allocate to Bitcoin either.	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily give an example.	[16:48]
only_	ReutersEmily: something like "will MP get away with running an unregulated stock exchange on the interwebz?" that would be nice.	[16:48]
radan	dr. popescu, what do you think of coinbase	[16:48]
nubbins`	ReutersEmily: the best you can do re: verification is to verify who's saying things.	[16:48]
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nubbins`	ReutersEmily: this channel -- and a few others -- have identification features that are useful to this end	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	radan i never used them. people ocasionally call scam but it doesn't usually seem to be the case.	[16:48]
ReutersEmily	well like some of the Mt Gox stuff that came out - that leaked crisis plan - and then the back-office stuff	[16:48]
radan	I have a few btc with them, and I'm not sure whether it's secure	[16:48]
ThickerThanThiev	[23:52] ThickAsThieves you drew that shit ?! /// Not quite, I modified what Pink Eye created into that version. Maybe one day I'll put up my own portfolio again...	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	unless the price moves sharply against them they'll prolly be ok.	[16:49]
Namworld	nubbins', to the press, that's not going to be enough unless it's firsthand from the business' owner if it's about a Bitcoin business.	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	you're always best advised to keep your own wallets.	[16:49]
nubbins`	ReutersEmily: regarding that leaked crisis plan, did you see the actual PDF? with the "redactions" on the financials page?	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily that stuff was always regarded as dubious	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	but people accepted it as an "well... gotta talk of something"	[16:49]
ReutersEmily	i don't remember off teh top of my head what format that was in because it was my colleagues in Japan who took a close look at that	[16:49]
nubbins`	ReutersEmily: you might be interested to know that the guy who "leaked" the document -- selkis, i think -- actually did the redactions himself	[16:50]
Namworld	True, hard to verify when you don't have your own balance to verify against the leaked info (re hacked accoutns details).	[16:50]
Namworld	Or leaked crisis plan.	[16:50]
nubbins`	which led me to believe that he sort of made the whole document up, and it got traction, so gox figured "now's as good a time as any"	[16:50]
hdbuck	did Magicaltux hang out in here?	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` this is definitely a possibility.	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	the other being that he's ver's sock and just you know... came up with something.	[16:51]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: i can't think of any other reason for a document leaker to modify the documents he's leaking.	[16:51]
nubbins`	ah, sure	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	well the guy is kinda attention-seeking.	[16:51]
nubbins`	no kidding.	[16:51]
ReutersEmily	roger?	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	so you know, who knows what goes on in the narcissist head.	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily yes.	[16:51]
nubbins`	roger sounds right	[16:51]
Namworld	Well at least hanging in here could at least provide info about where to look for verifying soon to be news before it happens.	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	anyway ReutersEmily the verification of such things is a fuzzy affair at best. you end up weighting things, who said what who they work with who trusts them and why etc.	[16:52]
nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/NrGdYfc.png	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	a web of trust sort of scenario.	[16:52]
BingoBoingo	That whole foundation crowd really is just a wash.	[16:52]
ReutersEmily	yeah i will hang in here. i can't believe 2 hours have gone by since i got to work and this is what i've been doing the whole time - ha!	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily that's ok, you've barely scratched it :p	[16:53]
ReutersEmily	you mean the bitcoin foundation BingoBoingo?	[16:53]
nubbins`	ReutersEmily: keep this up and you'll join the clan of people who can afford to sit around on freenode all day ;D	[16:53]
Neil	More evidence that money in your bank isn't really yours:	[16:53]
Neil	http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/willardfoxton2/100012871/did-you-spot-this-budget-gives-hmrc-power-to-raid-your-bank-account-like-wonga/	[16:53]
BingoBoingo	ReutersEmily: Yeah, they just really pump each other's dubious ventures and collect money they don't provide accounting for	[16:53]
nubbins`	bitcoin foundation is a bit of a lel.	[16:53]
nubbins`	what do you expect from a group of self-appointed wizards tho	[16:54]
ReutersEmily	what do you think of the Wall Street contingent in bitcoin, like SecondMarket?	[16:54]
Namworld	Even the public figures, there's distrust in them. Mostly because they tend to always have numerous ties with big scammers which keeps showing up in the public figures pool.	[16:55]
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mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily they're trying, but i think you probably know more in places by now than silbert does	[16:55]
ReutersEmily	does Silbert chat in here?	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	not afaik.	[16:55]
Namworld	SecondMarket fits its goal like intended, neither great nor bad.	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	Namworld well afaik they got burned pretty well in gox.	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	which is... whatever, kinda noobish.	[16:56]
BingoBoingo	The Wall Street contingent seems more honest, but they are going to have to go through growing pains	[16:56]
BingoBoingo	Learning the lessons other people learned much earlier	[16:56]
nubbins`	^	[16:56]
ReutersEmily	mircea_popescu how do you know they got burned in gox?	[16:57]
only	SecondMarket held coins in gox? lol	[16:57]
dexX7	i doubt that	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	in other words, bitcoin is its own field. having a good fundamental basis in finance is a plus. a big one, perhaps,	[16:57]
nubbins`	EVERYONE held coins in gox	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	but it doesn't do your work for you.	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily i hear things.	[16:57]
Namworld	Their problem, unlike Gox/others, they can deal. If they can't learn/adapt, they'll drop it.	[16:57]
nubbins`	well, i shouldn't say everyone	[16:57]
BingoBoingo	Much of the Bitcoin Foundation seems to be career hucksters of the Amway-franchisee sort.	[16:57]
nubbins`	but a lot of people who you'd think would know better.	[16:57]
chetty	not everyone nubbins'	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` tell you what ? a lot of people who i'd think would know better had btc with pirate.	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	people be people. they tend to the flame.	[16:58]
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mircea_popescu	as the great persian poet said.	[16:58]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: it's hard trying to figure out how greedy to be, as the great nubs said	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	so you got burned in gox. coulda just have said that you know :D	[16:59]
nubbins`	nooooo, i never put a satoshi in gox	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	too late now.	[16:59]
nubbins`	my battle with greed was more focused on satoshidice and asicminer	[16:59]
ReutersEmily	ok guys....thank you so so much for being so nice to me and answering my questions. i am going to get on the phone in a minute so probably won't be able to pay as much attention in here, but i think i'll stay signed in	[17:00]
ReutersEmily	anyway thank you. i really appreciate your time.	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	yeah asicminer. when were they delivering the new things again ?	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily cheers.	[17:00]
nubbins`	ReutersEmily cheers	[17:00]
dexX7	almost ready to re: am	[17:00]
dexX7	cya	[17:00]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu who knows, i stopped keeping up with AM months ago	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	i thought it was just about now or something like that.	[17:00]
nubbins`	sounds familiar	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	anyway, ima go eat. don't break bitcoin meanwhile pls.	[17:01]
nubbins`	yah, i've got a busy day too	[17:01]
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nubbins`	procrastinating here	[17:01]
nubbins`	gotta make bread AND sausages :D	[17:01]
Namworld	I think Silber was involved in Bitcoin way before SecondMarket thing if I'm not mistaken. Shame he doesn't hang out in the BTC channels.	[17:01]
Namworld	Different point of views are nice.	[17:02]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22950 @ 0.00093089 = 21.3639 BTC [+]	[17:05]
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nubbins`	anyone able to suggest a suitable marinade for moose steaks?	[17:10]
Duffer1	https://www.google.com/#q=marinade+for+moose	[17:11]
ozbot	Google	[17:11]
Duffer1	sounds good	[17:11]
nubbins`	nod	[17:11]
nubbins`	gonna go with the allrecipes beer/soya/dijon one	[17:12]
Duffer1	i was just reading that one	[17:12]
Duffer1	beer can make a surprisingly good marinade	[17:12]
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nubbins`	nod. beer can chicken, even	[17:12]
nubbins`	not quite a marinade but y'know	[17:13]
Duffer1	not quite marinade but more than a seasoning	[17:13]
nubbins`	normally i get roast-style hunks of moose, but they're more like t-bones this time around	[17:13]
nubbins`	yeah	[17:13]
Duffer1	i've never had moose	[17:13]
nubbins`	it's nice	[17:13]
Duffer1	compared to deer?	[17:14]
nubbins`	never had deer	[17:14]
Duffer1	ah	[17:14]
nubbins`	it's slightly gamier and spicier than beef	[17:14]
nubbins`	and very lean	[17:14]
nubbins`	so lean that it's usually consumed ground, either in burgers, meatballs, or sausages	[17:15]
nubbins`	generally with pork fat	[17:15]
Namworld	Well that's lean lean	[17:15]
Duffer1	i'd love to try that	[17:15]
nubbins`	moose sausage is divine	[17:15]
nubbins`	this will actually be my first time eating moose steak	[17:16]
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Duffer1	what are your sides?	[17:16]
ReutersEmily	omg i love moose sausage	[17:17]
ReutersEmily	are you in western canada?	[17:17]
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nubbins`	ReutersEmily, eastern canada - newfoundland	[17:17]
ReutersEmily	oh - cool!	[17:17]
nubbins`	they brought two moose over here in the 1800s, didn't work out, so they brought over two more	[17:17]
nubbins`	now the island is covered in 'em :)	[17:17]
ReutersEmily	heh, seriously? i had no idea they were introduced	[17:18]
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nubbins`	yep, invasive species	[17:18]
nubbins`	they're a real danger on the highways :D	[17:18]
ReutersEmily	oh gosh i can imagine...that would be the fastest way to turn your car into a convertible, hitting a moose	[17:18]
nubbins`	well the problem is that they're tall with skinny legs, so if you hit one, it's coming in through the windshield	[17:19]
nubbins`	and as much as i like moose, 1200lbs all at once is a bit too much ;)	[17:19]
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nubbins`	Duffer1: not sure yet, but i'm thinking roasted potato and maybe asparagus	[17:20]
kakobrekla	what you get is a nonconvertible convertible	[17:21]
nubbins`	heh.	[17:21]
nubbins`	seriously tho, it's a real danger, to the point where some people have been calling for a widespread cull	[17:21]
nubbins`	"why do we value moose more than our children" etc	[17:22]
Duffer1	because moose are more delicious than children?	[17:22]
ReutersEmily	haha	[17:22]
ReutersEmily	so i would imagine there's a ton of moose hunting though right?	[17:22]
kakobrekla	have you tried children?	[17:22]
nubbins`	kakobrekla ;D	[17:22]
nubbins`	ReutersEmily: yep, i've never paid for any moose meat	[17:22]
nubbins`	it finds its way to the people who enjoy it	[17:23]
Duffer1	ha no nope not nooo	[17:23]
nubbins`	i've been considering getting a license, but having friends in rural communities is just as good, in practice	[17:23]
Duffer1	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524703.0	[17:25]
ozbot	[Now IPO on ripple]coinspaces.com-altcoin exchange shares	[17:25]
nubbins`	anyway, seriously gotta get moving. i've got ten pounds of pork shoulder to cut and grind, two loaves of bread to bake, and a ton of prep work in the studio	[17:25]
nubbins`	cheers	[17:25]
Duffer1	good luck ^.^	[17:26]
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ReutersEmily	bye	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	btw, someone drop a link in #freenode so they know they've been useful.	[17:28]
hdbuck	really dont know what to think of ripple since everybody claims its a scam :/	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	if they can't figure out how to take donations at least let them have that satisfaction	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	oh gosh i can imagine...that would be the fastest way to turn your car into a convertible, hitting a moose <<< bwagaga	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	so that's a first, she gets into the bash.	[17:30]
kakobrekla	too slow.	[17:30]
ReutersEmily	what does that mean?	[17:31]
Duffer1	http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/	[17:31]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets bash	[17:31]
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mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily a bash is an old internet tradition, a collection of striking, funny or just memorable quotes	[17:31]
ReutersEmily	oh - cool	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=89	[17:32]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets bash	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	seems you were alrwady in there tho.	[17:32]
ReutersEmily	because of your "what did you order" comment	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	hey, i'm an enabler.	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	i make other people's shit work.	[17:33]
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spam_mania	hello	[17:33]
ReutersEmily	indeed	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	did anyone else notice nubsy sounds just like a girl in a 1950s strict household ?	[17:34]
Duffer1	ReutersEmily: who runs havelock? >> The Panama Fund SA (no idea what that means or who's behind it, I suspect Voorhees is related somehow)	[17:34]
ThickAsThieves	Such log	[17:34]
ThickAsThieves	I made it	[17:34]
ThickAsThieves	good day	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 srsly ? why ?	[17:34]
Duffer1	cause panama	[17:34]
dexX7	your daily dose of -asset gossip, eh? ;)	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves how long did it take you ?	[17:34]
ThickAsThieves	an hour or so?	[17:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00331456 = 0.1359 BTC [+] {3}	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 that's a point i guess.	[17:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07035515 = 1.4071 BTC [-] {5}	[17:35]
Duffer1	i mean 'suspect' in the loosest, just pulled that outta my ass, sense	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves just wanted to get it on the record for 2016, when it'll be like the 10k btc pizza.	[17:35]
ReutersEmily	so - i just downloaded HexChat and if I just click out of this window, will I be able to put ReutersEmily into "nickname" and have it work?	[17:35]
ThickAsThieves	ReutersEmily, I can offer some insight on Havelock and Neo, but I am not an official representative for either.	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily possibly not	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	best to register your nick first.	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	do you know how to use nickserv ?	[17:35]
ReutersEmily	ThickAsThieves I'd love to hear your thoughts.	[17:35]
ReutersEmily	mircea_popescu I don't know what nickserv is	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	http://www.wikihow.com/Register-a-User-Name-on-Freenode	[17:36]
ozbot	How to Register a User Name on Freenode: 7 Steps (with Pictures)	[17:36]
dexX7	ReutersEmily: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup	[17:36]
dexX7	lel	[17:36]
ThickAsThieves	Well, Havelock, we are told at least, we purchased by the Panama Fund. It, as far as I can tell, is run by the same person that runs CFIG.	[17:36]
Duffer1	it will allow you to keep your nick across any freenode irc chan	[17:36]
ThickAsThieves	we = was	[17:37]
LordPutin	agent smith runs havelock	[17:37]
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ThickAsThieves	CFIG is listed on Havelock.	[17:37]
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ThickAsThieves	I'm not sure if its actually done anything itself.	[17:38]
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ThickAsThieves	topace, is a contractor for the IT side of Havelock afaik.	[17:38]
LordPutin	didn't you useto represent neobee tat...at the start?	[17:39]
ThickAsThieves	only as a contractor	[17:39]
LordPutin	ahh k	[17:39]
ThickAsThieves	I have no authority to speak for them, but I have helped to deliver their messages	[17:39]
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ThickAsThieves	Danny Brewster, the CEO, is generally easy to reach though.	[17:40]
ThickAsThieves	They issued an updated prospectus, and afaik, will release updated finanicial projections this week. I am not clear whether they we will include a report of current accounts. I assume it will.	[17:41]
dexX7	^ TAT is an asset issuer on HL	[17:41]
ThickAsThieves	Yes, I have represented ASICMINER depositary receipts and issued, and made whole, a successful bitcoin bond.	[17:42]
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ThickAsThieves	I don't run any of them anymore though.	[17:42]
hdbuck	tat why? got bored?	[17:42]
ThickAsThieves	Grew up.	[17:42]
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ThickAsThieves	My confidence in ASICMINER exposing me to liability was justifiably compromised over time.	[17:43]
ReutersEmily	huh it looks like HexChat is trying to connect me to freenode but it says connection failed...a couple of times	[17:43]
LordPutin	i thinkitsover forasicminer	[17:44]
LordPutin	theyreally messed things up	[17:44]
ThickAsThieves	that's not even clear, not even to the board	[17:44]
ThickAsThieves	part of the problem really	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily if it's trying to connect you on this same name it'd prolly fail as the name's already in use.	[17:45]
ThickAsThieves	there's a whole story in there i may write up some day	[17:45]
ReutersEmily	Oh i see	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well why not today ?	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile http://www.utro.ru/2008/12/26/peredovica/	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ^	[17:45]
ThickAsThieves	well how to write while IRCing?	[17:45]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	touchtyping!	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	you lean over and touch on someone who's typing	[17:46]
ThickAsThieves	basically i really need to get a blog going	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	i took mp's advice and started one earlier.	[17:46]
Duffer1	;;gpg info ReutersEmily	[17:46]
gribble	No such user registered.	[17:46]
Duffer1	too soon? ^.^	[17:47]
LordPutin	idliketosee atatblog	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 probably tomorrow's job :p	[17:47]
LordPutin	ireallyneed a new spacebar	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you could call it Tit for Tat, and have a nice shapely round tit in the header.	[17:47]
thestringpuller	ReutersEmily: so you're getting paid to be on irc right now? lol	[17:48]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'technologies of controlled chaos'. subject more or less beaten to death in the russian world.	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not so much in english	[17:48]
ThickAsThieves	Don't we all get paid to be here?	[17:48]
ReutersEmily	thestringpuller yeah i think that's funny too	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	i don't ;/	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	nobody's ever paying me to do anything.	[17:48]
rithm	vir quisque vir	[17:48]
rithm	tit for tat my ass	[17:48]
LordPutin	you'rerich enough anyway mircea u dontneedtogetpaid	[17:48]
rithm	y y guys talk so much	[17:48]
rithm	hu huh	[17:48]
Duffer1	you're in the right chan for sure reutersemily this chan spawn enough material to sustain multiple daily blogs	[17:49]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: afaik, pretty much the only one who's put in the sweat to explain it in english is orlov	[17:49]
ThickAsThieves	I feel like I'm paid to be here.	[17:49]
ThickAsThieves	When really we should all be PAYING	[17:49]
LordPutin	oprah cleans yourtoilets	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	rithm and who might you be ?	[17:49]
rithm	yo mamma	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform possibly so yeah	[17:49]
rithm	i'm gawker	[17:49]
rithm	i like to write things	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	you're a gawker moar like it.	[17:49]
*	rithm goes back to gawking	[17:50]
LordPutin	so tat can you give some insight what you're workingon atm?	[17:50]
ThickAsThieves	as mentioned before, i'm still trying to decide.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	o hey, tat sounds like a girl in a loose 1970s household.	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	we got it all.	[17:51]
ThickAsThieves	I have a few paths to consider, but none seem to be the obvious choice.	[17:51]
BingoBoingo	rithm: From Gawker?	[17:51]
hdbuck	I'd like some insights on Havelock & AM since i happen to deal with both simultaneously ^^	[17:51]
LordPutin	what areyouroptions oristhat confidental?	[17:52]
rithm	BingoBoingo stop nick highlighting me sometimes i lie on the internet	[17:52]
ThickAsThieves	really the one pulling me is to backpack across europe... but I have a wife.	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo it's jcpham	[17:52]
BingoBoingo	Ah	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves so send her postcards.	[17:52]
chetty	TAT: so take her along	[17:53]
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LordPutin	wife? sorryto hear that bro	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	chetty yeah, even better	[17:53]
ThickAsThieves	well she has a more traditional career, and newly scored a dream job in endangered specis conservation.	[17:53]
ThickAsThieves	species*	[17:53]
ThickAsThieves	so at best maybe we'll get regular trips to the Congo :/	[17:54]
chetty	TAT: so backpack thru some deserts and jungles	[17:54]
ThickAsThieves	I'm not interested in such	[17:54]
LordPutin	endagered species like a straight bitcoiner?	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	o yeah, backpacking throgh the congo outbush.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	that's happening.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	spend a day with the machete to go from the house ot the garage	[17:55]
LordPutin	going through europe sounds good you might evenmake some connections or findwhat you're looking for in the world	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	and then get raped and killed by poachers	[17:55]
Namworld	thestringpuller, she's probably paid to talk with people all the time. I don't see why that would exclude chatting session with relevant people to an article, like Mircea. Which happens to be mostly talking only in this channel, as he seems to have made his online residence here.	[17:55]
Namworld	So probably not too strange.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves not even necessarily in that order.	[17:56]
ThickAsThieves	indeed	[17:56]
ThickAsThieves	western conservation reservations in the congo have been pillages in such ways just so rebels could make a point to unrelated parties	[17:56]
ThickAsThieves	pillaged*	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	well, that and the rape.	[17:57]
ThickAsThieves	yeah	[17:57]
LordPutin	my goal is tto video interview mircea oneday, i hope to achieve it	[17:57]
rithm	bad idea	[17:57]
rithm	he'll burn a koran	[17:57]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.bonoboincongo.com/2012/07/03/okapi-attack-sends-shock-waves-through-the-ituri-forest/	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	ReutersEmily so anyway, what's the story with this Bob Dobalina ?	[17:58]
ThickAsThieves	"For an entire day scenes of horror and panic ripped through Epulu. Many people fled into the forest, others were taken hostage to carry the loot of the attackers. Women were raped. Seven people were killed. Among the dead are two park guards and the wife of another. Two of these were burned. Some reported that Amisi’s wife was burned alive, perhaps caught in the chaos as the outlaws	[17:58]
ThickAsThieves	incinerated park infrastructure and guard homes. Others seemed shot almost at random: Two people on a truck passing through Epulu, two other Epulu residents."	[17:58]
ThickAsThieves	Mr. Dobalina, Mr. Bob Dobalina	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	o jesus, some obscure cultural reference. i thought must be some junior senator or w/e. a square is me.	[17:59]
ReutersEmily	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFieSQHmQT0	[17:59]
ozbot	Del Tha Funkee Homosapien - Mistadobalina (Video Version) - YouTube	[17:59]
ThickAsThieves	I like me some Del	[17:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.41085150 BTC to 4`075 shares, 59162 satoshi per share	[17:59]
LordPutin	new deltron record was abit wack tho	[17:59]
ThickAsThieves	yeah i skipped it after the previews	[17:59]
ThickAsThieves	the original is classic tho	[17:59]
LordPutin	agreed	[17:59]
LordPutin	very classic	[17:59]
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ReutersEmily	same album as Mistadobalina also features a wonderful song called "What Is A Booty"	[18:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 50.96337928 BTC to 80`674 shares, 63172 satoshi per share	[18:01]
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mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/ReutersJamie/status/447022012318244866	[18:03]
ozbot	Twitter / ReutersJamie: Those sanctions really having ...	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	this reminds me of an older mp article, re how the market knows who will win any conflict.	[18:03]
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LordPutin	itsa warm safe place that protects you against fear	[18:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.070576 = 3.5288 BTC [-] {2}	[18:05]
ThickAsThieves	"I am starting to think that this "China" news is just a tactic to make the price drop."	[18:06]
ThickAsThieves	quick, these reddites	[18:06]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: turns out the 50's housewives were running the show and just letting the men think they did ;)	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	there's an excellently superb quote in that link benkay pasted yest.	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	"I was flattered by his interest, so I thought it over. That is, I indulged	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	in what young men frequently mistake for thought. In imagination, I saw my	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	name over the door and myself in a fine glass office looking out and	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	watching clerks taking in money. I had, in anticipation, the thrill of	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	buying one store after another and going from town to town on tours of	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	inspection. I tickled my fancy with the idea of coming back to college and	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	letting the boys consult me as an experienced man of affairs. And having	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	finished this process of "thinking" I wired Carroll that I was ready to	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	join him."	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	so... yeah. he's starting to "think".	[18:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07298999 = 0.146 BTC [+]	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` yeah. they and those chicks of epulu.	[18:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07298999 = 0.5839 BTC [+]	[18:08]
ThickAsThieves	The commissioner of the Texas State Securities Board issued an emergency order last week barring a private energy exploration company from accepting investments in bitcoin from non-accredited investors. The company, Balanced Energy LLC, allegedly solicited investors at the Texas Bitcoin Conference on March 6th with the statements “we don’t do any verification” and “we’re not	[18:09]
ThickAsThieves	the paperwork police,” and informed interested parties that capital contributions in bitcoin would be accepted.	[18:09]
ThickAsThieves	and you thought Havelock was bad	[18:09]
ThickAsThieves	these guys are doing worse on a stage	[18:10]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	well obviously its a sliding scale.	[18:10]
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mircea_popescu	personally, i blame the bitcoin foundation, and murck especially.	[18:11]
ThickAsThieves	interesting to finally see a bitcoin securities article in the bitcoin "community" media	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	their completely clueless, "let's do the motions" calisthenic approach to things is going to get a lot of young men as per the quote above in a lot of trouble	[18:11]
ThickAsThieves	the BF is scourge in most ways	[18:11]
LordPutin	i really hate bf	[18:11]
LordPutin	such scum	[18:11]
ThickAsThieves	the article http://bitcoinmagazine.com/11395/securities-registration-requirements-holding-bitcoin-back/	[18:12]
LordPutin	but at least they're taking the heat	[18:12]
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ThickAsThieves	"However, anecdotal accounts have suggested that many participants in successful Kickstarter campaigns ultimately receive nothing at all from the companies to which they contribute."	[18:13]
ThickAsThieves	is that true?	[18:13]
jborkl	I did see the booth there pimping oil and gas	[18:13]
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ThickAsThieves	"At least one website, BitFunder.com, provided a centralized place to both solicit and offer shares in Bitcoin related startups before shutting down last fall. "	[18:13]
ThickAsThieves	wtf	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves its not anecdotal.	[18:13]
ThickAsThieves	THAT'S who gets a mention?	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:14]
jborkl	GLBSE should have been the headliner	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	the bitcoin ragazine ? what is surprising to you here ?	[18:14]
ThickAsThieves	lol and of cource an Ethereum plug follows shortly after	[18:14]
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ThickAsThieves	"Further, the concept of self-executing contracts, powered by Ethereum, could take much of the risk of non-performance by managers of startups off the table. "	[18:14]
ThickAsThieves	course*	[18:14]
ThickAsThieves	...	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	...	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	this is exactly the problem. they keep getting beaten to shit, they keep hopping right up again	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	because infinite hitpoints.	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	oh wait	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	they seal it with a big fat kiss	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	at least shrem had the minimal decency to admit he's wrong. vessenes will have to go to prison,	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	"Given the technological sophistication of most Bitcoiners, equity crowdfunding with payment in bitcoins is undoubtedly a solid match."	[18:15]
asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2014/03/compromised-comsec.htm	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	and he will go to prison still sprouting his delusional nonsense.	[18:15]
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ThickAsThieves	bitcoinragazine has a sense of humor now?	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well apparently some people see right through it.	[18:17]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not like it's hard	[18:17]
ThickAsThieves	so, to confirm, Tor is essentially useless, in regards to its original purpose, now?	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/447044579049873408	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves twas on trilema was it not.	[18:18]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Has it ever been useful for its stated purpose?	[18:19]
ThickAsThieves	i have no idea	[18:19]
ThickAsThieves	i asssumed it once worked as intended	[18:19]
asciilifeform	ThickAsThieves: tor is great because any kid can set up his own nsa, vacuuming up the packets of 'seekoore' idiots. i'll leave it at that.	[18:19]
ThickAsThieves	but i guess that window was very small and closed long ago	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/dear-guardian-stop-being-retarded/	[18:20]
ozbot	Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[18:20]
ThickAsThieves	if it was ever a window at all	[18:20]
asciilifeform	;;google tor exit sweden	[18:20]
gribble	Dan Egerstad's Tor exit nodes get him arrested and proves a point I ...: ; Swedish Researchers Uncover Dirty Tor Exit Relays: ; Tips for Running an Exit Node with Minimal Harassment \| The Tor (1 more message)	[18:20]
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mircea_popescu	not exactly a secret in any sense, except for the reddit crowd.	[18:21]
radan	so, dr. popescu	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	why do you keep calling me dr. btw ?	[18:21]
ThickAsThieves	mircea, do you have any earned titles?	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	well... baron ?	[18:21]
ThickAsThieves	yeah?	[18:21]
radan	you said you would explain how a turn for traditionalism is related to femininity	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	radan a, that was a previous discussion, did you read that log ?	[18:22]
radan	I did	[18:22]
BingoBoingo	http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/03/21/iran_s_fake_aircraft_carrier_u_s_officials_say_iran_navy_might_blow_it_up.html	[18:22]
ozbot	Iran's fake aircraft carrier: U.S. officials say Iran Navy might blow it up for propaganda purposes.	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	ok. so i didn't read your "i wanna go to syria" as a "turn for traditionalism"	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	i read it simply as a desire to be hurt.	[18:22]
radan	well, young men have traditionally wanted to fight, and kill, since time immemorial	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[18:23]
radan	modern society provides no outlet for this	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	not true.	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	you can start slinging dope downtown, you can join the marines, on it goes.	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	both the mob and the govt are always hiring.	[18:23]
ThickAsThieves	i'm not sure fighting and killing is the accurate distillation	[18:23]
radan	I'd rather not get arrested, and I'm well on my way towards getting a good degree	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves but it seems to be his distillation nevertheless.	[18:24]
radan	if I can fight, I want to do it in defense of my people and for a cause I deem just	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	radan and you wish me to explain how all this is all about being a cunt ?	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	right right.	[18:24]
ThickAsThieves	http://trilema.com/2013/the-divine-cunt/	[18:24]
ozbot	The Divine Cunt pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[18:24]
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radan	I'm interested in your analysis	[18:25]
BingoBoingo	radan: Most nations with armed forces have some sort of Officer Candidate course that can be pursued after a degree	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	seems self-obvious, neh ? if you want to wear a skirt in the shape of a good degree or not being arrested, that's fine and dandy, but if you want to be a man you generallyt couldn't care less what you're wearing.	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	at least, that is the traditional view on the matter.	[18:25]
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radan	see, I don't think there's anything manly about dying for a ridiculous cause	[18:26]
radan	and most causes the US Army pursues are ridiculous	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	but what makes you suspect you;d know ?	[18:26]
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ThickAsThieves	so what IS manly?	[18:27]
radan	in general, anything with high testosterone	[18:27]
ThickAsThieves	...	[18:27]
radan	in this specific scenario	[18:27]
radan	to fight in defense of your people	[18:27]
radan	at least, that's what I think of it	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	you ever seen The Caine Mutiny ?	[18:27]
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radan	so I value much more the syrian who goes to war for his people - on either side - than the US soldier	[18:28]
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ThickAsThieves	btw I watched Gardens in the Night, turns out I had seen it before. it's awfully slow movie	[18:28]
ThickAsThieves	an	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves it is slow.	[18:28]
radan	who signs his life and his family's future over for thirty talents	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves anyway, i like how between our two questions he picked to answer yours.	[18:29]
ThickAsThieves	and it wasnt even really an answer	[18:29]
radan	dr. popescu, the vagaries of the US army are well known the world over	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	that's a lot more debatable, not that i idsagree.	[18:29]
ThickAsThieves	what's manly? well man juice of course!	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	radan the "us army" are not your problem.	[18:29]
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mircea_popescu	quoth Lt. Barney Greenwald: "Ah, you're learning, Willie! You're learning that you don't work with a captain because you like the way he parts his hair. You work with him because he's got the job or you're no good! "	[18:30]
radan	they would be if I joined them	[18:30]
BingoBoingo	radan: There's always the French foreign legion	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	no, tyhey whould not be	[18:30]
radan	which is one of the reasons I'm not	[18:30]
radan	the FFL is full of arabs	[18:30]
radan	and criminals	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	not unless they call you a general chief of staff	[18:30]
ThickAsThieves	does one really even choose to join the US Army?	[18:30]
ThickAsThieves	it's more likely baked into a man	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	hm	[18:30]
radan	the French use them as cannon fodder in colonial hellholes	[18:30]
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radan	I say the French	[18:31]
radan	I mean sarkozy and his oligarch bunch	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	you know the communists took over meanwhile ?	[18:31]
radan	where?	[18:31]
radan	France?	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	well yes.	[18:31]
BingoBoingo	Yeah	[18:31]
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radan	hollande is prime minister, now	[18:31]
chetty	from the female standpoint = taking up arms beyond your own needs does not make you a man	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	anyway, being a man is all about fighting and getting killed for the proper oligarch.	[18:32]
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nubbins`	chetty +1	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	this bullshit where you find fault with the world belongs with the skirts in a cramped greenwich village coffee house.	[18:32]
radan	the contry is run as it has been for an eternity by unelected bureaucrats and "rootless cosmopolitans"	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	uh	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	you can say jews you know, nobody cares.	[18:32]
chetty	the country? you mean the world	[18:33]
radan	France more so than many other places	[18:33]
hdbuck	+1 ^^	[18:33]
radan	I think they have very little leeway over North Korea and Iran, for example	[18:33]
radan	which may be the reason those countries are so vilified lately	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	wasn't khomeini jewish ?	[18:33]
nubbins`	did i ever tell you guys about the client who insisted on "eco-friendly" (6.25%!) garments flown in from the other side of the continent rather than choosing local garments for half the price?	[18:34]
nubbins`	well this supplier they insisted on choosing fucked the order royally, and the remainder of it showed up today, 21 days late	[18:34]
nubbins`	the word "organic" isn't even on the tags anywhere	[18:34]
nubbins`	imagine, paying an extra ten dollars per shirt for the word "earth"	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	people pay an extra ten bitcoins per site for the words "bestest ever"...	[18:35]
nubbins`	my sides, etc	[18:35]
chetty	probably a lot more pollution too, transport and all	[18:35]
nubbins`	chetty: massively larger carbon footprint	[18:35]
nubbins`	but y'know, "organic"	[18:35]
nubbins`	"nature"	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if they ever genetically engineer a colony of bacteria that knits	[18:35]
nubbins`	she was given the choice between a minimal environmental impact and the appearance of one, and she chose the latter	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	or maybe really small spiders.	[18:36]
nubbins`	STOP IT	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	imagine nubs : underwear you could eat	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	and so silky smooth...	[18:36]
chetty	sure, nanobots	[18:36]
nubbins`	you can already buy edible undies	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	yes but not nearly as disgusting.	[18:36]
nubbins`	but would ya really eat a pair? ;(	[18:36]
nubbins`	http://xkcd.com/790/	[18:36]
ozbot	xkcd: Control	[18:36]
nubbins`	^ spiders and lsd in the same comic!	[18:37]
nubbins`	worlds collide	[18:37]
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radan	my philosophy goes like this.	[18:37]
radan	the current system of governance and finance, media and education, is dominated by a people hostile to my own	[18:37]
radan	any interaction I have with this society can only benefit them to our detriment	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	radan which are your own ?	[18:37]
radan	as a result	[18:37]
nubbins`	gone again, gotta track down sausage casings	[18:37]
radan	I don't see anything manly, or even beneficial in a feminine way, from sticking with it	[18:37]
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LordPutin	we need to get rid of women also	[18:38]
LordPutin	so can just hang out with our guy friends all day	[18:38]
chetty	radan there are many ways to buck the system, hang around here for a bit	[18:38]
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radan	I'm Bulgarian, but nationality's a social construct. when I say "my people" I'm using it as a shorthand for people genetically close to me	[18:39]
radan	and anyway I study in the United States	[18:39]
radan	where the people are mixed beyond all belief	[18:40]
radan	and equally deluded	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	mkay. so saying "any interaction I have with this society can only benefit them to our detriment" is not only problematic seeing how you're away studying, but moreover a restatement of "x is invulnerable"	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	if you really believe that it'd seem your failure to reculturate is insanity.	[18:40]
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mircea_popescu	besides, the best fucks i ever had were with people who weren't particularly genetically close to me.	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	don't limit yourself.	[18:41]
radan	I think the combined force of 15 million merchants and half a billion shabbos goyim is invulnerable to a single teenager, yes	[18:41]
hdbuck	me sad for france :(	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	what, sort-of like goliath ?	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	depends on the teenager.	[18:42]
radan	I don't know what you mean by reculture, either	[18:42]
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radan	I've mostly grown up in American culture	[18:42]
radan	my mannerisms are American	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	aculturation is the process throuygh which one becomes a part of a culture.	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	reculturation is the process called marriage for women, where an individual moves from one culture to another.	[18:42]
radan	what is American culture, though	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	well you're there, what are you asking me for.	[18:42]
radan	I follow the customs of this country	[18:43]
radan	beyond that	[18:43]
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mircea_popescu	so do you like date ?	[18:43]
radan	yeah	[18:43]
BingoBoingo	American culture is mostly distorted versions of other cultures kind of assembled after a long game of telephone	[18:43]
radan	not this semester	[18:43]
radan	but	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	what's it like ?	[18:43]
radan	it's not anything like the movies portray it, lol	[18:43]
radan	it's just	[18:43]
radan	if you like a girl	[18:44]
radan	you hang out with her more	[18:44]
radan	and schedule stuff to do I gues	[18:44]
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mircea_popescu	you're obviously not studying very hard.	[18:44]
radan	I don't know how you do it in Wallachia	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	horseface whatshername would be ashamed of you.	[18:44]
radan	it's just normal, here. I can't really think of an alternativfe	[18:45]
radan	it's just normal, here. I can't really think of an alternativfe	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	;;ud sex in the city	[18:45]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sex%20and%20the%20city \| A now retired HBO series in syndication that chronicles the life of four single heterosexual women living in New York City who behave like stereoty...	[18:45]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: sex and the city	[18:45]
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radan	going back to the society bit	[18:45]
LordPutin	should you shave your balls for the first date?	[18:46]
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radan	seeing as how all of modern life and culture and all that are dust	[18:46]
radan	vanity of vanities	[18:46]
radan	umm	[18:46]
radan	just generally meaningless	[18:46]
radan	the natural thing for a man to do	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	i wouldn't go as far as to say all.	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	not that it's a novel idea to do so.	[18:47]
radan	is to follow the same prerogative that has guided his ancestors since the dawn of life	[18:47]
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mircea_popescu	well that may be tricky.	[18:47]
radan	the biological imperative.	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	so what are you doing here then	[18:48]
radan	of course it's tricky in the West	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	epulu awaits.	[18:48]
radan	they call it racism, nepotism, whatever	[18:48]
radan	unless you're a minority you're expected to treat everyone equally	[18:48]
radan	and those bastards have the audacity to call it altruism	[18:48]
radan	never mind that altruism refers to helping out one's own	[18:48]
radan	not the entire vast sum of humanity	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	not necessarily.	[18:49]
radan	what am I doing in the United States	[18:49]
radan	it's a damn good question	[18:49]
radan	some days I really feel like getting the fuck out of here	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	well i imagine your parents just took you there as an object	[18:49]
radan	but	[18:49]
radan	my plan is to graduate with a degree in petroleum engineering	[18:49]
radan	work for a few years in the oil industry	[18:50]
radan	save up a reasonable sum of money	[18:50]
BingoBoingo	radan: What part of the States are you most familiar with?	[18:50]
radan	invest a little in Mongolia or somewhere with a lot of resources	[18:50]
radan	and finally return to Europe	[18:50]
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radan	where I can work on my goal full time.	[18:50]
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radan	I live in Louisiana, bingo. it's a great state	[18:51]
radan	the people are very polite and friendly	[18:51]
Ghaleon	poboys	[18:51]
LorenzoMoney	http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/20/sec-investigation-of-bitcoin-based-stock-sale/	[18:51]
ozbot	SEC investigation of Bitcoin-based stock sale could lead to broader regulation	[18:51]
Ghaleon	i was in New orelans after Katrina	[18:51]
Ghaleon	good folks there.. city is corrupt tho.. sin city...	[18:51]
BingoBoingo	radan: It is polite country out there	[18:51]
BingoBoingo	Ghaleon: Corruption isn't always a bad thing	[18:52]
radan	well, when you look at the people doing the corruption	[18:52]
radan	you begin to notice a trend among them	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	LorenzoMoney https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/446867449343139841	[18:52]
radan	it's either nigs doing it or cajuns	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	Ghaleon i doubt anything beats chicago, still.	[18:52]
Ghaleon	new orleans cops were scary.. the DEA helped me rebuild a school for some nuns.. but first they wanted to beat me lol	[18:52]
radan	and of course there's the jewish nepotism you'll find anywhere	[18:53]
Ghaleon	lose the tan when dealing with them :/ if ya know what I mean	[18:53]
radan	but that isn't considered corruption here	[18:53]
Ghaleon	lol yeah...	[18:53]
radan	dr. popescu, my parents did take me here.	[18:54]
radan	and, all things considered, I'm glad they did	[18:54]
radan	but it's a miserable society.	[18:55]
LorenzoMoney	jewish nepotism and new orleans and hyrricanes? WHat a fucking idiot you are	[18:55]
radan	people always ask me about New Orleans	[18:55]
radan	I tell them it's a great city to live in	[18:55]
LordPutin	LorenzoMoney i'm scared	[18:55]
LorenzoMoney	no wonder your ancestors were stupid enough to give up their paganism for the idiocy of catholicism	[18:55]
radan	but I would never raise children here	[18:55]
ThickAsThieves	but it's a miserable society. /// how do you distinguish a miserable society, from a miserable world, from a miserable you?	[18:56]
radan	well, obviously one leads to the other	[18:56]
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radan	but I really don't think I would be unhappy in a traditional lifestyle	[18:56]
ThickAsThieves	yeah but you probly have the order wrong	[18:56]
Ghaleon	orleans was scary as hell during and after katrina... the racism there is so dense..	[18:57]
radan	I mean	[18:57]
radan	the world is fucked up	[18:57]
radan	but there are still happy people in Afghanistan and Thibet and Borneo	[18:57]
Ghaleon	felt with the army, sea, nuns and a bunch of dudes carrying heavy weapons shoed up usually.... pretty much bandits.. but i felt their pain	[18:57]
radan	and those weird as fuck little tribesmen in Africa	[18:57]
hdbuck	and mp ^^	[18:58]
Ghaleon	the native , aboriginal peoples are closest to God	[18:58]
radan	depression, mental ilness, and the concomitant host of modern evils	[18:58]
BingoBoingo	radan: Have you ever tried the Mardi Gras thing? I've found that SoCo Hurricaines make the misery go away.	[18:58]
radan	are not found where people have work to do, real work.	[18:58]
radan	"the Mardi Gras thing"	[18:58]
radan	you're outting yourself for a yankee	[18:59]
BingoBoingo	radan: MidWesterner	[18:59]
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radan	everything north of the Mason Dixon line and west of Texas	[18:59]
BingoBoingo	Closest major city is St Louis	[18:59]
ThickAsThieves	alcohol is a mistress that way BingoBoingo, "The love I sell you in the evening, by the morning won't exist"	[18:59]
radan	might as well be Boston	[18:59]
ThickAsThieves	although that lyric is likely about cocaine	[19:00]
radan	I spent some time in Indiana	[19:00]
radan	the white people there act like africans here	[19:00]
BingoBoingo	radan: A good portion of the neighboring country here was functionally in the other part of the US in the 1860's	[19:00]
ThickAsThieves	a great song, if you can handle a dash of emo: http://songmeanings.com/songs/view/3530822107858489409/	[19:00]
radan	going back to my point	[19:01]
radan	people are happy when they can work to feed themselves and their families	[19:01]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: I actually rather enjoy the hangovers	[19:01]
radan	and ensure an existence for their children	[19:01]
radan	they are generally not happy in huge impersonal concrete cities	[19:01]
radan	doing "work" solely of the intellectual flavor	[19:01]
ThickAsThieves	my point more lies in that alcohol causes a creeping depression	[19:01]
radan	and having very few children	[19:02]
ThickAsThieves	mostly hard to detect	[19:02]
radan	as is, for some reason, the modern custom.	[19:02]
spam_mania	no alcohol causes a creeping depression.	[19:02]
ThickAsThieves	such that you begin to feel it's the world, when really it's your body	[19:02]
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ThickAsThieves	chased by the dragon, in a way	[19:03]
BingoBoingo	It thought chasing the dragon was about people racing horses in their veins	[19:03]
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mircea_popescu	radan nobody is arguing that the us isn't miserable. most of all not thinking people living there	[19:04]
ThickAsThieves	well chasing the dragon is chasing a high that cannot be physiologically achieved anymore	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	and i dunno who in their right mind would raise their children there, either.	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	anyway, to liven up the discussion a little,	[19:05]
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mircea_popescu	http://31.media.tumblr.com/34769108d6653d75dc6bf21082cb8295/tumblr_metam8EJnw1rmcr76o1_1280.jpg	[19:05]
ThickAsThieves	https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=587 // they didnt include an address to send flowers, nor a funeral date	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	heh, gallipi really wants to be stupid huh.	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	i guess every man gets to make that choice for himself.	[19:06]
ThickAsThieves	i like the typography of the new bitpay logo, but the left angle on the box is not parallel	[19:06]
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ThickAsThieves	the "ay" snuggling is kinda pro	[19:07]
kakobrekla	if only highlevelminer had such logo	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves what's a snuggling ?	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	ianat	[19:07]
radan	the a and the y follow a curve	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	oh i see	[19:08]
ThickAsThieves	it's just good lettering	[19:08]
ThickAsThieves	but they ruin it with that lefy angle	[19:08]
ThickAsThieves	left*	[19:08]
DudeSj	mircea_popescu,	[19:09]
ThickAsThieves	such things stick out like sore thumbs to me	[19:09]
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mircea_popescu	"murder she wrote"	[19:09]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[19:10]
Namworld	[12:57] the world is fucked up	[19:10]
radan	ikr?	[19:10]
radan	it's horrible	[19:10]
radan	we need to fix it	[19:10]
Namworld	Well I can't say this year compared to the latest years. But on the longer term, the world is the least fucked up it's ever been, if by fucked up you mean things like torture, violence and such.	[19:11]
radan	of course I don't	[19:11]
radan	why would that be metric for "fucked up"	[19:11]
kakobrekla	horrible? terrible is what it is.	[19:11]
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BingoBoingo	Eh, if the world was stable, there'd be no room for opportunity	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	the world is runcible	[19:11]
ThickAsThieves	abominable too!	[19:11]
chetty	the best way to 'fix' stuff is leave it be	[19:12]
ThickAsThieves	best way to fix all your problems is to die	[19:12]
ThickAsThieves	you first!	[19:12]
Namworld	Not that it doesn't need improving. There's no perfection that can be reached. There's always room to further improve.	[19:12]
Namworld	But the world ain't as bad as the medias portray it.	[19:12]
radan	it's much, much worse	[19:13]
ThickAsThieves	"The White House wants to know how worried you are about data privacy"	[19:13]
kakobrekla	blah blah blah heat death of the universe, who cares	[19:13]
radan	anyway	[19:13]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/technology/big-data-review	[19:13]
ozbot	Watch a message from Counselor to the President John Podesta. \| The White House	[19:13]
radan	if things were at equilibrium	[19:13]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[19:13]
radan	leaving them be would be the greatest course of actionj	[19:13]
ThickAsThieves	Have a problem with NSA? Fill out this form. Have a nice day!	[19:13]
radan	but with a whole host of hostile actors pushing them in a certain direction	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	radan you're in school anyway. why's your focus the state of the world ?	[19:14]
radan	it is the duty of any right-thinking man to push them back	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	the world's a lot older than you are.	[19:14]
radan	this is a world I plan to live in	[19:14]
Namworld	Crime, corruption, violence, torture, selfish wars. They were far more frequent in the "good old time of yore".	[19:14]
radan	I'd like to know more about it before I pay it my pound of flesh	[19:14]
radan	and what I've learned so far isn't very encouraging	[19:15]
Namworld	World is literally paradise compared to what it used to be.	[19:15]
ThickAsThieves	"How much do these types of data collection concern you?"	[19:15]
chetty	if the direction is bad it will fix itself - not pleasantly but ...	[19:15]
ThickAsThieves	"How much do you trust these institutions with your data?"	[19:15]
ThickAsThieves	...	[19:15]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/447039816497377280	[19:15]
ozbot	Twitter / RichardEngel: Alaska was part of #russia ...	[19:15]
radan	namworld, you define paradise like a soft fat man	[19:16]
the20year1	thecluck TheSeven thestringpuller ThickAsThieves thoa_afk	[19:16]
the20year1	thecluck TheSeven thestringpuller ThickAsThieves thoa_afk	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/447059066167500801	[19:16]
kakobrekla	he can just chargeback through paypal	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	hahahaha	[19:16]
Namworld	Study history further before saying it isn't very encouraging. World has improved and it can still be improved.	[19:16]
Namworld	What do you mean by soft fat man?	[19:16]
Namworld	I'm neither fat nor soft. Although yes I am a male.	[19:17]
ThickAsThieves	"How much do you trust these institutions with your data?" "Stop."	[19:18]
ThickAsThieves	oops	[19:18]
ThickAsThieves	wrong quote	[19:18]
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ThickAsThieves	How much do you trust these institutions with your data? Stop.	[19:18]
ThickAsThieves	ddammit	[19:18]
ThickAsThieves	they wont let me quote it	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[19:18]
ThickAsThieves	fuckers	[19:18]
kakobrekla	just stop.	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	get a real os ?	[19:18]
ThickAsThieves	Is there anything else you'd like to tell us about your thoughts on this issue?	[19:19]
ThickAsThieves	thqat was it	[19:19]
ThickAsThieves	anyway	[19:19]
ThickAsThieves	fukn joke	[19:19]
radan	Radi777 random_cat rbonestell reeses ReutersEmily rithm riX2000 rodgort Rulother rum234 ryan-c	[19:19]
ThickAsThieves	what answers do they expect? Yes, I love people collecting data on me!	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	http://www.lawyerherald.com/articles/5041/20140321/gambling-website-under-sec-probe-over-bitcoin-denominated-stock-sale.htm	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	is this thing legit or mostly a seo-spamsite	[19:20]
asciilifeform	radan: do you know russian? because if yes, you'd enjoy limonov's 'disciplinary sanitarium' (http://royallib.ru/book/limonov_eduard/distsiplinarniy_sanatoriy.html)	[19:20]
Namworld	The life in nature is a very cruel one, radan. Humans can be just as cruel. But as time passes and our understanding of ourselves improves, we seem to be doing away with that.	[19:21]
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ThickAsThieves	here's your answer Mircea: "SatochiDice "	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	o right	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	ty.	[19:22]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Appears to be a page scraper	[19:22]
radan	I love Russian	[19:22]
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radan	I was talking to some russians a minute ago	[19:22]
Namworld	Sure there's regions where it's a hellhole right now. Those places change over the ages. Globally, overall, crime rate, wars, torture, hate, violence, etc are pretty low.	[19:22]
radan	you're so deluded, mate	[19:22]
radan	hate	[19:22]
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radan	terrorisms	[19:22]
radan	do you even believe in these things	[19:23]
kakobrekla	and graffiti	[19:23]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves this is how the nsa works, by the way. we've just used BUMBLEBEE to identify the source of leaked documents.	[19:23]
radan	they're meaningless, unquantifiable buzzwords	[19:23]
ThickAsThieves	this is a good little tactic, insert retarded mistakes into articles	[19:23]
ThickAsThieves	you win	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	this is why my rss feed starts with the ip of the scraper	[19:23]
radan	and I guarantee you the modern liberal has much more hate in his heart than a christian 2000 years ago	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	so i can ban them	[19:23]
Namworld	That you hear about it a lot in the media doesn't mean that the world isn't better than before. Sure those things happen. I'm not questioning it.	[19:23]
radan	you're problem is that you define good as anything weak	[19:23]
radan	like softness	[19:23]
radan	and being a pacifistic, sexless pusys	[19:24]
ThickAsThieves	i was thinking, itd be nice to have the trilema model accessible to more of us	[19:24]
BingoBoingo	Soft tits are good though	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	!b 5	[19:24]
assbot	Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1751063/plain/)	[19:24]
ThickAsThieves	credit system	[19:24]
ThickAsThieves	IP blocking	[19:24]
ThickAsThieves	etc	[19:24]
ThickAsThieves	i dont wanna deal with runnning Wordpress	[19:24]
ThickAsThieves	etc	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves it's trivial to implement neh ?	[19:24]
radan	whereas goodness to me is virtue	[19:24]
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radan	and living like a man	[19:24]
ThickAsThieves	not trivial to maintain though	[19:24]
radan	and having a lot of children	[19:24]
Namworld	Did I ever define good as that? I don't recall using those words you portray me to have said.	[19:24]
radan	orwell wrote about people like you	[19:25]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: It isn't as onerous as some make it seem	[19:25]
ThickAsThieves	WP exploits are like daily, no?	[19:25]
Namworld	I'm saying, if you're not happy about the current state of the world, will you just lay down or work to help it keep improving?	[19:25]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Depends on the kind of exploit	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i never had one. never updated since what, 2008	[19:25]
radan	it's not improving	[19:25]
radan	that's the whole point	[19:25]
radan	it's becoming softer and worse	[19:25]
radan	worse in every conceivable way	[19:25]
Namworld	I've never said to be apathetic and not doing anything.	[19:25]
ThickAsThieves	i dont have "people" to set such up properly anymore	[19:26]
ThickAsThieves	meh	[19:26]
radan	you and I have very different conceptions of improvement	[19:26]
ThickAsThieves	my statement remains, it'd be nice	[19:26]
Namworld	It's been becoming worse since when, tell me?	[19:26]
radan	I think you think "activists" and little intellectual fuckers with low testosterone to be helping the world out somehow	[19:26]
chetty	radan: worse in every conceivable way // lack of imagination	[19:26]
radan	whereas they are the very ones destroying it	[19:26]
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mircea_popescu	if anyone cares to read romanian mobster blogs, i give you http://www.nicugheara.com/	[19:27]
Namworld	activists don't achieve much at all	[19:27]
Namworld	Not modern kind anyway.	[19:27]
radan	no, jews do.	[19:27]
radan	but you and I cannot become jews	[19:27]
radan	so	[19:27]
ThickAsThieves	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524071.msg5819385#msg5819385 I'm not sure I have the energy for this guy now the MPOE-PR broke him	[19:27]
ozbot	Decentralized Securities (Mastercoin, Colored Coins, etc.) - SEC regulation?	[19:27]
radan	we need a better alternative	[19:27]
ThickAsThieves	that*	[19:27]
Namworld	What is it with people seeing the world as becoming bad invoking jews?	[19:27]
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radan	that's what I'm trying to set up.	[19:28]
Namworld	What a silly idea.	[19:28]
chetty	jews accept converts	[19:28]
radan	my goal is to found a traditional society	[19:28]
radan	for people of my genetic stock	[19:28]
radan	and live out my life in it.	[19:28]
Namworld	That you're jew or not matters not. Not at all.	[19:28]
radan	that's what I envision as an alternative... others may disagree	[19:29]
radan	dr. popescu may have a better solution	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	radan sure you can become jewish, what are you talking about	[19:29]
radan	yes, I can. I can even become an orthodox jew	[19:29]
radan	because I'm maternally jewish	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	right	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	irrespective.	[19:29]
radan	but your average person won't.	[19:29]
radan	and really	[19:29]
radan	can't.	[19:29]
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radan	and anyway	[19:29]
Namworld	What does it matter?	[19:29]
only	mircea_popescu: what the actual fuck, lol. why does he think he needs a blog?	[19:29]
radan	Judaism benefits the jews	[19:29]
Namworld	Tell me how being jewish changes anything?	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	only he's getting old, got bored.	[19:30]
radan	I don't want to invest in the genetic stock of another nation	[19:30]
radan	another people	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	been in ibiza for 10ish years now	[19:30]
radan	another race, even	[19:30]
ThickAsThieves	mobster blog doesnt load for me	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i dunno who would bother in that topic tbh	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	so some random nobody who scammed a bunch of investors wants to continue derping on bitcointalk as if.	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	not the first, not the last, what of it.	[19:30]
asciilifeform	i'll take the liberty of translating	[19:30]
asciilifeform	'Испуганное проявлениями своего собственного каннибализма в первую и, более всего, во вторую мировые войны, «цивилизованное» человечество отшатнулось от hard к soft режимам. (Плюс сыграли роль еще два важнейших фактора: 1. сдержив	[19:30]
asciilifeform	ающее агрессивность влияние ядерных вооружений и 2. появление новых технологий производства, сделавших возможным закармливание масс.) Если сущность hard заключается в физическом подавлении человека, soft основано на поощрении е	[19:30]
asciilifeform	го слабостей. Идеал жесткого насилия — превратить мир в тюрьму строгого режима, идеал мягкого — превратить человека в домашнее животное.'	[19:31]
asciilifeform	'Frightened of its own cannibalism during the First, and, moreover, the Second world wars. 'civilized' mankind dashed from the 'hard' to the 'soft' mode of violence. (The deciding factors: 1. the restraining influence of atomic weapons and 2. the advent of new technologies of production, which made possible an overfeeding of the masses.) If the essence of 'hard' violence consists in the physical suppression of	[19:31]
asciilifeform	man, 'soft' is based on the encouragement of his weaknesses. The ideal of 'hard' violence - to convert the world into a maximum security prison, of 'soft' - to convert man himself into a domestic animal.'	[19:31]
Namworld	There's one race and only one.	[19:31]
asciilifeform	(limonov's 'disciplinary sanitarium')	[19:31]
Namworld	(For humans)	[19:31]
radan	we are all one race	[19:32]
Namworld	You just said another race	[19:32]
radan	never mind the overrepresentation of cosmopolitans in any powerful body in the west	[19:32]
radan	never mind the genetic differences between us	[19:32]
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radan	never mind that your average african really cannot function in a modern society	[19:33]
radan	no	[19:33]
radan	we're all one people, blah blah blah, diversity	[19:33]
radan	^ the modern manifesto	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	radan inasmuch as pretty much any girl can carry your babies, what's your argument to difference based on ?	[19:34]
radan	look at it this way	[19:34]
radan	the whole point of reproduction	[19:34]
radan	is ensuring the passing on of your genes	[19:34]
dignork	radan, anybody can become jewish, google ״giyur״	[19:34]
BingoBoingo	http://www.dorkly.com/comic/60090/8-reasons-why-youre-pretty-much-batman	[19:34]
ozbot	8 Reasons Why You're Pretty Much Batman - Dorkly Comic	[19:34]
radan	your average countrywoman will share more of them with you, even before the act, than a papuan or botswanan	[19:34]
radan	so by having kids with her	[19:34]
radan	you're passing on more of your genes to your offspring	[19:35]
radan	than the alternative	[19:35]
Namworld	Not at all...	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	i think this is at best a naive interpretation of genetics.	[19:35]
ThickAsThieves	I think I sorted out the proper reply https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524071.msg5825367#msg5825367	[19:35]
asciilifeform	'Among all of the crimes, the most terrible (though not punishable) is the crime against one's own self -- the failure of an individual to use his own, only life. Listen to the idiotic musical noises, park the car, labour in the light but uninteresting work, and before you know it, your tenure upon this earth is over. The collective, so-called 'civilized mankind,' has excelled in the creation of (and imposition	[19:35]
asciilifeform	upon the furthest reaches of the planet) a life colourless, boring, stupid, devoid of any real joys. The life of domestic animals. Against a 'Big Brother', the old 'maximum security' wearing boots and a menacing uniform, it was possible to (as history shows, this takes place sooner or later) - rise up. But how about uprising against one's own weaknesses - is this possible?'	[19:35]
radan	it's the whole reason we help our brothers and parents even though we have no intention of fucking them.	[19:35]
radan	they share our genes	[19:35]
radan	it's the genetic background for altruism.	[19:35]
BingoBoingo	This representation of genetics seems to to in practice lead to the discovery of novel diseases preventable through hybridization	[19:36]
radan	hybrid vigour has been disproved a long time ago	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	radan it seems to me my brother has just about equal chances to die by my hand than to be helped by same.	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	and my father is probably even worse off.	[19:36]
Namworld	You have a strong misunderstanding of genetics and relationships... I care not for genes, familial loyalty has more to do with being raised with people who cared for you and which you're familiar with than genes.	[19:36]
radan	namworld	[19:36]
radan	you're a soft little pale fellow	[19:36]
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radan	your understanding of the world is skewed	[19:37]
benkay	wth is going on in here this morning?	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves funny how your list of "i used to think but" keeps swelling	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	benkay putin launched a nuke	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	so now we've got stuff going on	[19:37]
Ghaleon	lol	[19:38]
radan	dr. popescu, have you heard of the bedouin	[19:38]
Ghaleon	we can only hope	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	actually i rode with the bedouin.	[19:38]
Namworld	You're a sad little piece of coal, brushing off darkness on everything, your understanding of the world is skewed. See, I can play that game too.	[19:38]
radan	that's amazing, I'm jealous	[19:38]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[19:38]
radan	anyway, they have a saying	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	Namworld the piece of coal conceit is actually quite good. yours or read somewhere ?	[19:38]
Namworld	Can I have arguments, not personal dismissal?	[19:38]
radan	"me against my brother, my brothers and me against my cousins, then my cousins and me against strangers"	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	radan it's not so hard to do you know, and neither expensive.	[19:38]
Namworld	I don't know, first black thing which popped in my mind.	[19:39]
ThickAsThieves	ThickAsThieves funny how your list of "i used to think but" keeps swelling // via reading, experience, or boredom, I shall transcend!	[19:39]
ThickAsThieves	https://btc-e.com/news/201	[19:39]
ozbot	loading	[19:39]
benkay	whoa whoa whoa mircea_popescu are you trolling me?!	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	"You're a sad little piece of coal, brushing off darkness on everything," definitely. should be in a poem or soemthing	[19:39]
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radan	when you remove the distractions	[19:40]
dexX7	hehe i didn't know anotheranonlol is still around	[19:40]
radan	the whole point of our existence is to further our genes	[19:40]
Namworld	I'm sure piece of coal was used already somewhere by a thousand different people, and I might have read something similar. Pretty sure the sentence is original. That or brought out from a subconscious memory.	[19:41]
radan	so I'd rather help people out who are close to me, genetically	[19:41]
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Namworld	Why?	[19:41]
BingoBoingo	http://gavintech.blogspot.com/2014/03/it-aint-me-ive-got-pgp-imposter.html	[19:41]
ozbot	GavinTech: It ain't me I've got a PGP imposter	[19:41]
radan	like bulgarians, wallachians, and eastern serbs	[19:41]
radan	than people with no genetic link to me	[19:41]
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radan	who are "as chaff unto the wheat"	[19:41]
Namworld	It actually reduces the chance of your genes going on.	[19:41]
Namworld	Difference is good, when it comes to genetics, typically.	[19:42]
radan	you have a high school understanding of genetics, friend.	[19:42]
radan	if it was so	[19:42]
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dignork	radan, idea of keen was born way before discovery of genes, they just happened to snap right into your bizzare view of world, it's a pure coincidence	[19:42]
radan	then the optimal look for people would be a coffee-skinned melange	[19:42]
radan	with black	[19:43]
radan	eyes	[19:43]
radan	black hair	[19:43]
radan	there would be no diversity in the world.	[19:43]
Namworld	You want to reproduce with people with as different genetics as possible, and as big a variety as possible.	[19:43]
radan	if mixing was genetically good	[19:43]
radan	then species would never seperate	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	you understand that even if the entire population only reproduced on strict mixing guidelines there'd still be a bunch of blondes etc.	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	heck, a black couple recently had a blonde kid wieth blue eyes	[19:43]
radan	there would be no reason to adapt to different conditions	[19:44]
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radan	because the hybrid state would have a higher chance of survival	[19:44]
Namworld	Mixing your genes with more of the same, less risk of improvements. Many offspring with different genetic partners, more chance of having a good combination.	[19:44]
asciilifeform	last one	[19:44]
asciilifeform	'When the glorious Muammar Kaddafi, in his blue bournouse, or in his uniform, appear on the telly, the domesticated inhabitant of the sanitaria jerks from fright. 'Monster,' 'terrorist,' 'evildoer,' public enemy number one - the media calls him, led by its disdain for all that is envigorating (and, on top of it all, foreign), and pushed by false information supplied by CIA... ...his very existence is a rebuke,	[19:44]
radan	yet we live in a world with millions of species	[19:44]
asciilifeform	a videoclip of a fairy tale coming true... ...they [americans] also wish to drive around in jeeps, accompanied by squadrons of hotties in berets with kalashnikovs - but are impotent from birth. Envy, taken with an understanding of one's own powerless... easily transforms into hatred. The leaders of the sanitarium are easier for the 'patient' to understand, closer. He sees their permissible pecadillos, and is pl	[19:44]
asciilifeform	eased with their mediocrity. 'But this fellow from the desert!' (Interestingly, that among the hundreds of tyrants, in uniform and without, depending on the united states or the european sanitaria, none provoke a fraction of the wrath caused by Kaddafi. Evidently, the cause is his independence.) Kaddafi - is an extraordinary living proof of the fact that the fairy-tale version of life remains possible today. Bu	[19:44]
asciilifeform	t only outside of the sanitaria.'	[19:44]
radan	somehow they speciated	[19:44]
asciilifeform	^ the limonov is for radan. everyone else, feel free to ignore	[19:44]
Namworld	Species separate because they are physically separated and cannot travel easily/evolve in a different environment.	[19:45]
benkay	i want a pickup full of hotties with m16s.	[19:45]
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benkay	when i am bitlord of cascadia...	[19:45]
Namworld	So they don't come in contact with each other. That's when the get speciated....	[19:45]
radan	that's allopatric speciation	[19:45]
radan	you don't even know about parapatric or sympatric speciation	[19:45]
radan	either you're still in high school	[19:46]
radan	or you've never taken a biology class	[19:46]
radan	or a statistics class, for that matter.	[19:46]
ThickAsThieves	or he forgot, geez	[19:47]
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mircea_popescu	lol matonis heard of trilema.	[19:48]
radan	maybe	[19:48]
radan	I tend to remember what I read	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	news travels fast, unless you're in the bitcoin peanut gallery.	[19:48]
Namworld	Even then, it's still because they're separated. People don't know it's ideal typically, and don't usually care about it. If they can't be assed to get to the next neighborhood to have sex and still speciation occurs, what can you do about it?	[19:48]
benkay	subject of bitlord of cascadia, the campaign has begun and is doing quite well, ty for asking. simply by showing up to the 'meetups', calling out scams and repeatedly hammering on points such as 'btc ≠ consumer tech' has rendered unto me many lunches and dinners paid for by cautious and quiet folk of wealth and power.	[19:49]
BingoBoingo	Reasons why breeding outside the group is useful https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_genetics_of_Jews	[19:49]
Namworld	More offsprings with more diverse genes is still better statistically. Never said people actually strived for it. They tend to prefer personally enjoyement over ensuring their genes survive.	[19:49]
radan	Jews have been marrying their first cousins for millenia	[19:49]
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Namworld	Thus will mate with however they prefer, not based on genes.	[19:49]
radan	that's irresponsible and leads to bad effects.	[19:49]
benkay	some groups of jews	[19:50]
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benkay	there are several, radan.	[19:50]
benkay	it's how they maintain fitness across the whole smorgasbord.	[19:50]
radan	third cousins, on the other hand, improve the genetic stock	[19:50]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I imagine the BTC peanut gallery has the inverse problem of the one I supposed the media had in the morning's post	[19:50]
radan	http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/02/08/couples-who-are-third-or-fourth-cousins-have-more-kids-grandkids-than-other/	[19:50]
radan	"The researchers suggest marrying third and fourth cousins is so optimal for reproduction because they sort of have the "best of both worlds." While first-cousin couples could have inbreeding problems, couples who are far-removed from each other could have genetic incompatibilities."	[19:50]
ThickAsThieves	looks like he heard a year ago https://twitter.com/jonmatonis/status/328926763809918977	[19:51]
ThickAsThieves	he just skips over the "bad" parts I guess	[19:51]
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Namworld	If you're having a single partner, then yes, maybe that's the best course of action. But then again, what does it matter?	[19:52]
radan	it matters because reproduction is the whole point of our existence	[19:52]
radan	everything else is fluff	[19:52]
BingoBoingo	I wonder is ReutersEmily is filling out a requisition for a few bitcents to get Trilema credits	[19:52]
Namworld	You plan to live your life exclusively around optimal gene dissemination?	[19:53]
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ThickAsThieves	wtf is this conversation?	[19:53]
Namworld	You'd better travel the world and rape every women along the way like Genghis Khan.	[19:53]
ThickAsThieves	a science class pissing contest?	[19:54]
dignork	radan, your personal point of existence is reproduction? Your life is boring I tell ya.	[19:54]
radan	not just reproduction	[19:54]
radan	honey bees survive despite 75% of them having no children	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	that's irresponsible and leads to bad effects. << dfude srsly. if i want a green eyed mulatto for breakfast, i'm porking a green eyed mulatto for breakfast. what "bad effects"	[19:55]
radan	because the beelets they do raise are genetically close to them	[19:55]
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radan	so I'm the process of founding a society	[19:55]
radan	for people of danubian stock	[19:55]
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mircea_popescu	there's such a thing as "danubian stock" ?!	[19:56]
Namworld	I have no clue. Radan is unhappy about the world and keeps mentioning jews and about mating and promoting his gene pool.	[19:56]
Namworld	I think I know where this is headed.	[19:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.59070675 = 17.7212 BTC [-] {7}	[19:56]
radan	yes sir	[19:56]
radan	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Haplogroups_europe.png	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	seems a tenuous theory.	[19:57]
radan	Romanians and Bulgarians both have 70%+ old thracian genes	[19:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-]	[19:57]
ThickAsThieves	so radan is here to puke his top-of-mind reading requirements all over us	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	there's a lot of difference between say transylvania and the south even in romania.	[19:58]
radan	culturally, yes	[19:58]
radan	genetically, you're very similar	[19:58]
Namworld	So what, you purport to promote your own genes, you should promote people close genetically and crush the rest?	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	that aside, amusingly enough, the romanian natl poet seems to have hated bulgarians (and greeks)	[19:58]
radan	I have a friend from maramures and we look fucking identical	[19:58]
Mats_cd03	im going to pour chlorine in your gene pool	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	for very similar reasons	[19:58]
Mats_cd03	this conversation sucks	[19:58]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.romanianvoice.com/poezii/poezii/scrisoarea3.php	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	"Voi sunteţi urmaşii Romei? Nişte răi şi nişte fameni!	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	I-e ruşine omenirii să vă zică vouă oameni!	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	Şi această ciumă-n lume şi aceste creaturi	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	Nici ruşine n-au să ieie în smintitele lor guri	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	Gloria neamului nostru spre-a o face de ocară,	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	Îndrăznesc ca să rostească pân' şi numele tău... ţară!"	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	roughly translated as you r bad ppls!	[19:59]
Mats_cd03	http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-02/dg-dlc020408.php	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	(also humanity is ashamed to call you pepole)	[20:00]
Mats_cd03	'science'	[20:00]
radan	it's funny	[20:00]
radan	I can read that	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	also plague and so on.	[20:00]
radan	sorta like latin and bulgarian mixed	[20:00]
radan	slavim te, romanie	[20:00]
Mats_cd03	longitudinal study beats all the stupid links that have been appearing as evidence in this channel	[20:00]
BingoBoingo	Speaking of ancient web games everyone forgot about http://www.nationstates.net/nation=bingotonia	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	haha latin and bulgarian mixed, that's an idea.	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	actually... few people know but at some point bulgaria was the major kingdom in se europe	[20:01]
Namworld	Or you know, there's ~99.9% of genes in commons between any human and the next. Maybe if you want to promote your genes and people close genetically, you should consider all humans the same and work on ensuring humans can colonize space. That would help your genes' survival. Most of them.	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	kinda propped up byzantium for a while.	[20:01]
radan	humans will never work together	[20:01]
radan	as a whole	[20:01]
Namworld	Go do some research work for that.	[20:01]
Mats_cd03	its amusing that people talk about genes as though its a single cohesive entity	[20:01]
radan	there's a reason all attempts at it have failed	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	he's right. humans will only work together as a whore.	[20:01]
Mats_cd03	instead of, you know, dna expression being manipulable by 7-9 different factors	[20:02]
radan	I know all about epigenetics	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	well maybe not all ?	[20:02]
Mats_cd03	wheres that ms immunology dude that can explain this better than me	[20:02]
radan	it's what's behind the recent outbreaks of autism in the west	[20:02]
Mats_cd03	lol outbreaks	[20:02]
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mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 bugpowder ?	[20:02]
radan	it's not a disease our ancestors ever had to deal with	[20:02]
Mats_cd03	you right	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	radan neither is cancer.	[20:02]
radan	cancer has also been exacerbated by modern life	[20:03]
Mats_cd03	there is so much more than epigenetics in play	[20:03]
radan	but not to the extent of autism	[20:03]
Namworld	It doesn't matter if the whole of humanity doesn't work together. Humanity isn't a damn ant colony. Why would it work together as a whole?	[20:03]
radan	namworld	[20:03]
radan	what's your goal	[20:03]
radan	in life	[20:03]
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Namworld	It's not like you need the whole of it to participate to go to space.	[20:03]
radan	what standards do you use to judge things	[20:04]
radan	I have a feeling they're very short sighted ones	[20:04]
radan	I also think you really don't have a direction in life, but maybe you'll prove me wrong	[20:04]
Namworld	To live. As long as possible. Surefire way of ensuring your genes' survival.	[20:05]
radan	oh lord	[20:05]
radan	you're a yudkowskyite	[20:06]
Namworld	I don't know who that is.	[20:07]
radan	it's always very young people and the insecure who want immortality	[20:08]
rithm	that's what i want	[20:08]
rithm	immorality	[20:08]
Namworld	I don't mind dying if that's what you're implying, or feel threatened by death in any serious way.	[20:09]
radan	real men	[20:10]
radan	even real people	[20:10]
radan	don't want to live forever	[20:10]
radan	soft fellows with low testosterone, on the other hand...	[20:11]
radan	well	[20:11]
radan	I'll leave the obvious unsaid	[20:11]
Namworld	You see, nothing is eternal. I've never said I'd want to exist forever.	[20:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00085071 = 0.1701 BTC [-] {4}	[20:11]
aclot	radan: always the young people and the insecure who talk about meaning of life :)	[20:11]
radan	my hypothesis is thi	[20:12]
radan	the reason insecure people want to live forever	[20:12]
radan	is that they're scared of death	[20:12]
radan	in nature, fear is the domain of women	[20:12]
Namworld	I've said as long as possible. Immortality is not a possibility. Even if you extended your life, the universe won't last forever. Killing yourself is always an option too.	[20:12]
radan	because they are physically weaker they need protection	[20:13]
radan	as such	[20:13]
Namworld	If you offered me immortality, I'd be scared of it. Scared of being left alone in darkness for eternity as the Universe dies.	[20:13]
radan	rushing head-on into situations is imprudent	[20:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21250 @ 0.00093281 = 19.8222 BTC [+]	[20:13]
radan	when men are exposed to low fetal testosterone	[20:13]
radan	they end up very feminine	[20:14]
radan	with man boobs and soft skin and very little facial hair	[20:14]
radan	and as part of that complex	[20:14]
radan	they acquire a woman's timidity	[20:14]
radan	this is why they're scared and fearful of everything	[20:14]
radan	case in point	[20:14]
radan	"If you offered me immortality, I'd be scared of it."	[20:14]
radan	you're scared of death and scared of immortality	[20:14]
Namworld	I am not scared of death. I am of immortality however.	[20:15]
radan	you're literally scared of everything	[20:15]
radan	that is unacceptable outside of 12 year old girls	[20:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 75 @ 0.0701 = 5.2575 BTC [-]	[20:15]
aclot	why?	[20:15]
radan	no one respects a pussy	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	12 yo girls aren't particularly cowardly.	[20:16]
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mircea_popescu	and are you kidding man ?! the entire us worships 12 pussy atm.	[20:16]
aclot	i respect good pussy	[20:16]
Namworld	That, and what does it matter what people think?	[20:16]
radan	a pussy and pussy are different things	[20:16]
radan	the other	[20:17]
radan	well	[20:17]
radan	one is cowardly and repugnant	[20:17]
radan	it's pussy	[20:17]
kakobrekla	pizda is a chemical	[20:17]
radan	nom nom nom	[20:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07010001 = 0.3505 BTC [+] {2}	[20:17]
radan	of course it matters what people think	[20:17]
aclot	fear != cowardice	[20:18]
radan	you might spend the majority of your time on the computer	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	tbh 12yo girls are on average a lot braver than 12 yo boys	[20:18]
radan	but the whole world is outside of it	[20:18]
Namworld	Nothing has a purpose. So I'll extend my life given the possibility until I grow tired of life and any purposes I would give myself along the way.	[20:18]
aclot	and hawter	[20:18]
radan	with 7 billion people you have to interact with	[20:18]
radan	if you're a pussy who's scared of everything	[20:18]
radan	you won't be able to do that	[20:18]
radan	and consequently, will die alone, miserable, and unloved	[20:18]
Namworld	What people think matters? For the coward, maybe.	[20:18]
aclot	if you're afraid of nothing, you're dead in 15 secs:	[20:19]
radan	anyway dr. popescu	[20:19]
radan	that is my philosophy	[20:19]
radan	I think I've talked enough about it	[20:19]
radan	hopefully we understand each other better now.	[20:20]
BingoBoingo	radan: You've not gotten to your metaphysics though.	[20:20]
Namworld	If you're angry, grumpy and glooming individual, you'll probably end up dying alone, miserable and unloved.	[20:20]
Namworld	That applies to both extremes.	[20:20]
BingoBoingo	radan: I am interested in your perspective on the relationship between form and extension	[20:21]
radan	hmm	[20:21]
aclot	BingoBoingo: that's pataphysics...	[20:21]
radan	sounds like nietzhe	[20:21]
radan	nietzchzche	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	so i was looking for econ 302. is this philosophy 101 ?	[20:22]
radan	neechy	[20:22]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Mebee	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	any hawt chicks ?	[20:22]
BingoBoingo	radan: Actually I was thinking Spinoza	[20:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]	[20:22]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: It's mid semester, they won't be back for a few more weeks	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	btw, whoever recommended black mirror, cazalla was it ?	[20:23]
rithm	.bait	[20:23]
ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/73a15aa574d411ad364d43497c4dda80/tumblr_mi41j3lDTW1r600xqo1_500.jpg	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	i've seen something about a black guy living in a sort of america has talent futuropia	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	not bad.	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo did you drop a l ? black or back ?	[20:23]
radan	dr. popescu	[20:24]
Namworld	You seem to view everything with always a lot of assumptions made on the spot, or already established in your mind.	[20:24]
radan	is it true you're a billionaire	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	perhaps.	[20:24]
radan	I like that answer	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	well it's bitcoin, who ever knows.	[20:24]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: It was an intended back.	[20:24]
radan	I have 1.75 btc	[20:24]
radan	once bitcoin reaches 10000000 million dollars each	[20:24]
radan	I'll be a trillionaire	[20:24]
radan	I think it should happen by sometime next friday	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	then you can buy snake island and start your own, ukrainian-free utopia	[20:25]
Namworld	This will probably not serve you well in life, radan.	[20:25]
radan	snake island is very small	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	only bucharest whores and honest hard working cabbage farmers from russe.	[20:25]
radan	I already scoped it out on google earth	[20:25]
radan	besides	[20:25]
radan	the seas are vulnerable	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	well how big does it have to be.	[20:25]
benkay	asl mircea_popescu	[20:26]
radan	as big as eurasia, as small as an acre.	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	19/f/cali whai ?	[20:26]
radan	depends on how many people I can recruit	[20:26]
radan	right now I'm looking at a few places	[20:26]
benkay	wanna cyber hottie?	[20:26]
benkay	.bait	[20:26]
ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcaqjc8CiZ1qaus44o1_1280.jpg	[20:26]
deadweasel	jesus christ, i haven't seen 'wanna cyber' in 20 years.	[20:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15502 @ 0.00093305 = 14.4641 BTC [+] {3}	[20:26]
Namworld	About 12700 kilometers large and spherical would be ideal, mircea	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	benkay that looks very irresponsible and wrong benkay	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	she's turkic stock. at best.	[20:27]
radan	the pontic and siberian steppe, the balkan mountains, and the north caucasus, mainly	[20:27]
benkay	nineteen's even culturally acceptable in my jurisdiction	[20:27]
radan	though one of the guys in our project really wants afghanistan	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	radan putin ?	[20:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13598 @ 0.00093131 = 12.664 BTC [-]	[20:27]
radan	what's he going to care	[20:28]
benkay	.bait	[20:28]
ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/977ecf33ccb1a7c4523a27a701e3dd3c/tumblr_minupsb2Ty1r440j0o1_1280.jpg	[20:28]
benkay	.bait	[20:28]
ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/b840390344a1170e306ed578dcb2885a/tumblr_mia4p8xybb1r85jzwo1_500.jpg	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	no i mean, what guy on your project, putin ?	[20:28]
radan	no	[20:28]
radan	he's from satu mare	[20:28]
benkay	deadweasel: that'd be the joke	[20:28]
ughlol	holy macaroni	[20:28]
ughlol	these girls are HOT!	[20:28]
benkay	.bait	[20:28]
ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/822d0e8d11d0dfc452d424e7246fbe8e/tumblr_mi7nupkesZ1rv93u9o1_1280.jpg	[20:28]
benkay	oh yeah	[20:28]
Namworld	Well, I expect you to collect a lot of hate along the way and probably fail, radan, but I can always appreciate that someone fights for his ideals.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	deadweasel i say it occasionally, works to distinguish adult womenz from the igirl generation.	[20:29]
benkay	more slips and stockings for all the babes.	[20:29]
benkay	and heels. always heels.	[20:29]
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mircea_popescu	slips ?! gtfo. garter belt is all one needs.	[20:29]
radan	we're not going to be doing farming, either	[20:30]
*	ughlol does /msg ozbot .bait over and over again	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	ughlol don't overuse it, it's really here for the sec.	[20:30]
ughlol	oh	[20:30]
ughlol	sorry mircea_popescu	[20:30]
BingoBoingo	ughlol: Also you don't want to see what happens when it runs out of good bait	[20:31]
ll	lol that looks like it was taken in the uffizi	[20:31]
ughlol	haha	[20:31]
benkay	i like having something to strip them out of, mircea_popescu.	[20:31]
radan	http://vimeo.com/73177455	[20:31]
ozbot	WAKHAN - Art Film - Trailer on Vimeo	[20:31]
radan	this is the kind of lifestyle we're going for	[20:31]
BCB	any news on the SEC drama	[20:32]
benkay	2 weeks, BCB.	[20:33]
ThickAsThieves	http://bitcoinmagazine.com/11395/securities-registration-requirements-holding-bitcoin-back/?preview_id=11395#comment-1295127329	[20:33]
BingoBoingo	BCB: Just ore news is interested in the old news	[20:33]
ninjashogun	hi	[20:33]
ThickAsThieves	some conversation with the writer	[20:33]
ninjashogun	what happens if a wire transfer is received in the wrong denomination? does the bank just convert it at whatever rate they feel like?	[20:33]
ninjashogun	(for example if someone tries to wire pounds internationally to a usd account or vice versa)	[20:33]
BCB	any journalists turning up in here	[20:33]
benkay	BCB: several.	[20:33]
benkay	Reuters, most recently.	[20:34]
BCB	benkay: 2 weeks for what	[20:34]
ll	ninjashogun: from my experience, yes	[20:34]
benkay	everything in bitcoin, BCB :)	[20:34]
Namworld	oh, if that's the kind of thing you're shooting for, go for it. Looks nice.	[20:34]
ninjashogun	ll how terrible are those rates? like 2-3 percent of the normal spread or worse?	[20:34]
BCB	benkay: I wait for 6 confirmations	[20:34]
ll	i forget	[20:34]
ughlol	hey ninjashogun! o/	[20:34]
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ll	best to call your bank	[20:34]
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ninjashogun	ok	[20:35]
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BCB	BingoBoingo: yes they are all now starting to print the same story over and over again	[20:36]
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Namworld	Fortunately, humanity hasn't blanket claimed desertic places like that yet.	[20:36]
BingoBoingo	BCB: There are variations, so far the best mass media writeup I've seen came out of Gawker of all places	[20:37]
BCB	MP is famous now	[20:37]
Namworld	It can be hard to live a traditional lifestyle if the land required to do so is all claimed already and people won't let you.	[20:37]
nubbins`	now, where were we	[20:37]
BCB	Anyone here involved in Etherium	[20:37]
Namworld	The sad aspect about such a large population of humans, diminishing amount of land available.	[20:37]
ninjashogun	humans outweigh half of humans by 2:1. Let that sink in.	[20:39]
ThickAsThieves	if any one here were involved in Ethereum, they wouldn't be involved in Ethereum	[20:39]
Namworld	Redundancy has sunk in. I am now afflicted like a disease by the redundancy sickness that is infection-like.	[20:40]
benkay	;;google drinking record most important	[20:41]
gribble	History of alcoholic beverages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Bob Hawke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; History of Alcohol and Drinking around the World:	[20:41]
benkay	;;google drinking record counterparty	[20:41]
gribble	A Reminder – The Most Important Word in Bitcoin, Again because Gox: ; Why Fractional Reserve Can't Work in Bitcoin \| Bingo Blog: ; February \| 2014 \| Bingo Blog: (1 more message)	[20:41]
benkay	no mircea_popescu google still sucks	[20:42]
Namworld	I can now speak of the same thing as if they were the same thing in multiple ways of saying that this same thing is the same thing.	[20:42]
Namworld	Thank you, ninjashogun.	[20:42]
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ninjashogun	on later guys see you	[20:43]
Namworld	Later.	[20:44]
ninjashogun!@	added to ignore list.	[20:44]
Namworld	I think I'll do the same.	[20:44]
Namworld	Goodbye everyone.	[20:44]
steven-__	http://dropbox.curry.com/ShowNotesArchive/2014/03/NA-601-2014-03-20/Assets/NH370/MH370%20lemon%20black%20hole.mp3	[20:44]
benkay	what is that, steven-__?	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves> if any one here were involved in Ethereum, they wouldn't be involved in Ethereum << that.	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	lmao Namworld	[20:45]
steven-__	some talking head talking about how mh370 and black hole talks about lost and twilight zone	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	steven-__ lmao. black hole, srsly ?!	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	are these people... braindead ?	[20:46]
steven-__	money talks	[20:46]
ughlol	most probably	[20:46]
steven-__	ratings are out of contorl	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	if a blackhole pops up anywhere in the atmosphere we'd likely hear about it.	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	and i literally mean HEAR. outdoors.	[20:46]
ughlol	lol ^	[20:46]
steven-__	http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/business/media/cnns-ratings-surge-with-coverage-of-the-mystery-of-the-missing-airliner.html?_r=0	[20:46]
radan	Did Bitcoin Crash MH370? This Article Will Shock And Amaze You	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	so cnn aspires to be video-daily-mail.us ?	[20:47]
radan	regardsl gawker	[20:47]
steven-__	thats not until next week radan	[20:47]
steven-__	cnn aspires to be fox news	[20:47]
Namworld	We'd hear the outdoors moving... as a whole. but only very briefly.	[20:47]
Namworld	It could also happen almost at any time.	[20:47]
Namworld	You just have to live with it.	[20:48]
radan	the kazakh steppe is empty	[20:48]
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radan	everyone in russia and the white part of the world in general is running to cities	[20:48]
radan	the countryside is completely empty in a lot of the world	[20:48]
radan	http://www.agrimoney.com/news/russian-land-selling-for-as-low-as-2percent-of-eu-values--5348.html	[20:49]
ozbot	Agrimoney.com \| Russian farmland selling for as low as 2% of EU values	[20:49]
ThickAsThieves	CNN aspires. That's really the whole of it.	[20:49]
Namworld	But not everywhere is suitable to certain traditional lifestyles.	[20:49]
radan	voronezh chernozem going for $250 a hectare!	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves so does a black hole.	[20:49]
radan	what the fuck is the world coming to	[20:49]
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radan	a man can feed himself comfortably on 4 acres	[20:50]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/bobmcmillan/status/447082049707327488	[20:50]
ozbot	Twitter / bobmcmillan: @BBoingo Hey man, I had that ...	[20:50]
radan	can feed a family on 20 acres	[20:50]
Namworld	radan, that's just demand and offer.	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/embed/AP7tKS74H7I << i had a dumb kid, and i decline any responsibility.	[20:50]
ozbot	Alleged Silk Road Founder's Mother Speaks Out - YouTube	[20:50]
radan	you can buy buy enough land to support your descendants in perpetuam for 2000 bucks	[20:51]
radan	absolutely ridiculous	[20:51]
asciilifeform	charming eastern tradition of obligatory seppuku should be adopted in the west.	[20:51]
asciilifeform	(re: silk road kid)	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/8440b5e0cace1cbdbdf8effa8b06918e/tumblr_ml3rz7K8C41rv0578o1_1280.jpg	[20:51]
radan	if I was going for agriculture instead of herding	[20:51]
Namworld	So, what's your view on the topic, Mircea? Can a parent decline responsibility for what their kids are?	[20:51]
radan	I would park my ass so quick on voronezh chernozem	[20:51]
Duffer1	wouldn't work without also a culture of shame	[20:51]
radan	whoever lifted me from it would be crowned king arthur	[20:52]
nubbins`	asciilifeform, you're always pasting bits of interesting text. got a reading list anywhere on your blog?	[20:52]
asciilifeform	radan: can you even put together a decent minefield for 2000? much less a real defense	[20:52]
ThickAsThieves	https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/447083116768034816	[20:52]
ozbot	Twitter / Bitcoin_Assets: @bobmcmillan @BBoingo Why?	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	Namworld sure, why not ?	[20:52]
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mircea_popescu	better have a good reason or two ready tho	[20:52]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: the pasted text was from eduard limonov's book, 'disciplinary sanitarium'	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	seeing how anyone can decline their decline	[20:52]
Namworld	Yes, exactly.	[20:52]
ThickAsThieves	probly shoulda linked to trilema private convesation article...	[20:52]
radan	the janissaries parents were often times killed by the janissaries themself	[20:52]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: very quick & dirty on-the-spot translation. afaik there is no english version, official or otherwise	[20:53]
radan	ienicerii	[20:53]
nubbins`	ah, shame	[20:53]
asciilifeform	radan: there is a serbian song about exactly this!	[20:53]
nubbins`	anyway, you're always posting interesting snippets. would love to examine your bookshelf	[20:53]
Namworld	The reason or two being: 1. Having done everything without success 2. Not having been the legal guardian and involved at all	[20:53]
BingoBoingo	So @bobmcmillan seems to be under the impression we had a long DM conversation. Is he confusing me with mircea_popescu	[20:53]
Namworld	Other than genetic involvement.	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo ask him neh ?	[20:53]
ThickAsThieves	he's confusing his private conversation with being as topical as Emily's public one	[20:54]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: a good chunk of my bookshelf, as your probably also, is in ascii.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	there's oil in that bookshale!	[20:54]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: another reason to learn russian. you can read virtually any book ever printed, originally in virtually any language, for free, searchable.	[20:54]
nubbins`	a good chunk of mine is actually in .epub format, but through the wondrous Calibre, conversion is but a click away	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	nubbins`: another reason to learn russian. you can read virtually any book ever printed, originally in virtually any language, for free, searchable. <<< this.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	romanian has a similar, but proprotionalyl reduced advantage.	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	as romanians don't really translate eastern stuff and happily ignore us stuff	[20:55]
radan	русский язьiк очень приятной	[20:55]
radan	думаю я	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	язык :p	[20:56]
asciilifeform	'я русский бы выучил только за то что им разговаривал ленин.'	[20:56]
dignork	that's mine! well, Mayakovskovki's...	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	how was that quote, i speak french to my horse, german to my wife and russian to the chickens ?	[20:56]
radan	lermontov is the best author	[20:57]
radan	east of the vistula	[20:57]
Namworld	Well bob just answered you, BingoBoingo	[20:57]
dignork	Маяковский	[20:58]
asciilifeform	radan: bulgarian? perhaps you can tell me how come every statue in bulgaria has a beautifully depressing song that comes with it.	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	ok not a bad question.	[20:58]
BingoBoingo	Namworld: This new twitter conversation organizer breaks too much for clarity	[20:58]
radan	lol	[20:58]
radan	you're probably asking about that	[20:58]
radan	andryusha	[20:58]
radan	statue or wtv	[20:58]
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asciilifeform	radan: 'alyosha.' 'lilia.' etc	[20:59]
radan	we're a soulful people ^^	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	"we used to be great but everyone raped us, for the past millenium. even the romanians"	[20:59]
Namworld	Every people is soulful	[20:59]
radan	I don't think the vlachs had any influence on modern bulgaria	[21:00]
radan	beyond the genetic	[21:00]
radan	the slavic influence on romanian is much greater than the reverse	[21:00]
asciilifeform	e.g. http://sovmusic.ru/download.php?fname=alesha ; http://sovmusic.ru/download.php?fname=lyubimay ; etc	[21:00]
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radan	but that's language.	[21:00]
radan	which is a cultural construct and thus irrelevant	[21:00]
asciilifeform	sov. music about dead ww2 folks tends to be cheerful	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that's because the composers were drunk.	[21:00]
asciilifeform	bulgaria... total 'депресняк'	[21:00]
radan	I prefer to focus on our ancient brotherhood than any arbitrary divisions imposed by the western world	[21:01]
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radan	there was once a time when herders crossed from the carpathians to the balkans at will	[21:02]
radan	and farmers on both sides of the brother saw themselves as the same people	[21:03]
radan	were it not for the turks	[21:03]
radan	it might yet be so	[21:03]
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radan	*border	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	there definitely was. see miorita etc	[21:04]
nubbins`	well, i have to say i'm questioning the wisdom of a recipe that calls for 1/4 cup of soy sauce AND a tablespoon of salt	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	btw, got a link to the bulgarian version ?	[21:04]
nubbins`	so it should be interesting to see how these moose steaks turn out.	[21:04]
asciilifeform	virtually all of the bulgars i've ever met looked exactly like every turk i ever met...	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	but a good one, preferably an 1800 notation.	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform he's talking of an idealised pre-turkish time obv.	[21:04]
asciilifeform	aha, a la greece, ok	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	otherwise "bulgaroi cu ceafa groasa" etc.	[21:05]
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asciilifeform	lol	[21:05]
radan	there hasn't been any turkish genetic impact on bulgaria	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	ah come on.	[21:05]
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asciilifeform	i, too, would like to visit the parallel universe where the ottomans didn't happen.	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	i would like to visit the paralel universe where the arab invasion of egypt didn't happen, and the original tall lanky egyptians still roamed free	[21:06]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: yes! i wanted this as a kid even.	[21:06]
radan	whenever a turk married a bulgarian (or greek, or romanian, or serb etc.)	[21:06]
radan	the kid was considered turkish	[21:06]
radan	that's one of the reasons turkey has 70 million people	[21:07]
radan	and bulgaria, 7 million	[21:07]
nubbins`	twurkey	[21:07]
Radi777	just looked on this channel and you guys made me laugh	[21:07]
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mircea_popescu	Radi777 we live to serve.	[21:07]
nubbins`	ah, i see the s.mg bet is slowly growing larger	[21:08]
Radi777	this guy saying every bulgarian he met looks turkish lol either have seen only gypsies or turkish bulgarians, no real turkish looks like a real bulgarian..big difference	[21:08]
radan	there are dark bulgarians, for sure	[21:08]
radan	they're usually haplogroup E and from the macedonian part of BG	[21:08]
asciilifeform	radan: do you still have the underground churches over there?	[21:08]
Radi777	but its ok for me blacks look the same, and assians....LOL	[21:08]
asciilifeform	the ones that were required to be 'no taller than a mounted horseman'	[21:08]
radan	I personally don't consider macedonians to be my people	[21:09]
radan	anything south of the balkans is basically greece	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	Radi777 turkish secret service guy in istanbul volunteered that i'm definitely not turkish, he bets i'm bulgarian.	[21:09]
steven-__	Radi777: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-race_effect	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	so while the difference exists and they themselves can tell it, it may be the case that for the rest of the world a pigeon is a pigeon.	[21:10]
radan	dr. popescu, is your family from wallachia?	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	nah. i'm from transylvania	[21:11]
Radi777	yea cross-race effect that's why i said the joke about blacks and asians lol	[21:11]
radan	ardealul, eh?	[21:11]
radan	not bad	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	well how could it be bad lol	[21:11]
radan	have you heard stefan hrusca	[21:11]
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mircea_popescu	sure.	[21:11]
radan	"tu ardeal, tu ardealm, iti suntem osteni, templu sfant, templu sfant, muntii Apuseni."	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	yes yes, well, that's a little like feelings.	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	if you understand romanian you'll prolly better appreciate actual stuff like http://www.youtube.com/embed/4z0WmWUT2rM	[21:12]
rithm	no one understands that gibberish quit joking around	[21:13]
radan	lol	[21:13]
radan	I'll take a listen	[21:13]
asciilifeform	anyone fansub?	[21:13]
rithm	what are saying deprecated ocopus-noodle language	[21:14]
BingoBoingo	I prolly ought to throw this link up as a courtesy for journos and SEC https://gist.github.com/leffuy/750a4291264fa2de03a5	[21:14]
radan	umm	[21:15]
radan	kinda funny, I guess	[21:16]
radan	where do you find this stuff	[21:16]
rithm	good read BingoBoingo	[21:16]
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mircea_popescu	teh girls find it for me.	[21:16]
BingoBoingo	rithm: thestringpuller collected it	[21:16]
radan	I like romanian music tho	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	lol pretty epic github	[21:17]
rithm	My personal fave: Because these idiots won’t fucking die already, everyone else has to be inconvenienced. I deeply regret this. If it were practical I’d just kill them all with my own hand. Unfortunately, it is not practical, and so with my deepest and most sincere apologies to sane people everywhere I have to modify the MPEx FAQ.	[21:17]
radan	it's what bulgarian music would sound like if it wasn't for the turks, I think	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	radan well, let's see then... hmm... prolly bug mafia for oyu.	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr0g1Qt59MQ	[21:17]
ozbot	B.U.G. Mafia - N-ai Fost Acolo - YouTube	[21:17]
Namworld	For one who said there is no purpose, you sure are quite obsessed with race. For one who said how being manly and fearless and getting girls is important, you sure seem afraid and lost as to how to act in a modern society to get it. For one who said modern culture is dust, you sure seem eager to go away and adopt an old one almost not practicioned anymore. There's nothing wrong with	[21:18]
Namworld	feeling like you don't belong and choosing to live the lifestyle you want, but your arguments about what's wrong with the world are off. The world isn't wrong, it is simply wrong for you.	[21:18]
Namworld	You can't shape yourself to fit in where you don't belong. Or at least shouldn't.	[21:18]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: blew my mind how much of it i was able to digest	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	Namworld is getting trolled into booklet length responses by now i see.	[21:18]
radan	your "for X you sure are X" statements don't even make sense	[21:19]
radan	moving on	[21:19]
asciilifeform	it/sp/ro, etc. 'singable' languages are very amenable to the soviet linguist (hard head, wall, dictionary) treatment	[21:19]
radan	have you heard vali sterian, dr. popescu?	[21:19]
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mircea_popescu	yeah.	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform this is true.	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	of course romanian has, much like russian, a very rich subtextrual register	[21:21]
asciilifeform	i can tell, yes	[21:21]
radan	lol	[21:21]
radan	this rap's nice	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	greatly helped along by the fact that every other noun means either cunt, whore or fucking	[21:21]
Namworld	My point is that you're contradicting yourself. You're saying the world is wrong, not you, because they don't fit your ideal. While there is technically no one that is right or wrong.	[21:21]
radan	didn't know Romania had a hip hop scene	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	lolk.	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	next you're going toi tell me you didn't know romania had a warez scene and we can all go to bed.	[21:22]
asciilifeform	loll	[21:22]
Namworld	It's more of a question of individuality and who you are, which is not falling close to the average.	[21:22]
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radan	thanks for the analysis, freud	[21:24]
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radan	"unde sunt doi romani, este romania"	[21:26]
Namworld	You say that there is no purpose other than spreading genes, yet you're obsessed with promoting an arbitrarily sized sample of people with similar genes. You could scale up or down with a more specific or more generic group and call it promoting close genes all the same.	[21:26]
radan	that's actually true	[21:26]
radan	and I'm impressed that you thought it out enough to reach that conclusion	[21:26]
radan	but I've thought about it a lot longer than you have	[21:27]
radan	let's say you help out someone who'se close to you	[21:27]
rithm	i like sex	[21:27]
radan	and they don't have any kids	[21:27]
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radan	then the investment is ruined	[21:27]
asciilifeform	radan: variation on the theme of Po's 'Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła'	[21:27]
radan	all nationalism is a variation on itself	[21:28]
radan	that doesn't stop it from being beautiful	[21:28]
radan	at times	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	radan so oscar wilde had no kids.	[21:28]
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mircea_popescu	actually he was a nigger faggot jew afair.	[21:28]
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radan	lol	[21:28]
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Namworld	You said it was important to be manly and fearless to get girls, yet seemed confused as how to date in modern society. Your personality doesn't fit the modern culture. You say the culture is bad. Perhaps that is true, but you've given no justifications to it. Just that it doesn't fit you.	[21:29]
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radan	I'm not sure where you get that I'm confused about daring from	[21:29]
radan	I've had girlfriends since middle school	[21:29]
Namworld	I seem to recall... hmm, let me check	[21:29]
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radan	I'm not saying american girls are worthless or anything	[21:30]
radan	I'm never gonna marry one though	[21:30]
Namworld	I didn't say otherwise, just unsure about the best way to go about it and not liking how it's done.	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	saving yourself for that special guy ?	[21:30]
Namworld	Re, entering a relationship.	[21:30]
radan	of course ^^	[21:30]
radan	in actuality, even if I get a girl pregnant here	[21:30]
radan	the leaders of this country have implemented a massive social security system	[21:31]
radan	so really	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	well... but it's still your girl lol.	[21:31]
radan	there's no need to raise a kid as a father per se in obama's america	[21:31]
Namworld	Which is my whole point. It's all personality related. There's not really any right or wrong, re the way of living you choose.	[21:31]
radan	no, there is no objective right or wrong	[21:31]
radan	that's not going to stop me from doing what I think is best	[21:32]
radan	namely	[21:32]
Namworld	Yes, exactly.	[21:32]
radan	trying to save my people's genetic livelihood	[21:32]
radan	and when I see westerners acting like faggots or women	[21:32]
radan	I'll call them out on it	[21:32]
radan	it's a free world.	[21:32]
radan	if they want to stop me from hurting people's feelings	[21:33]
radan	or whatever the current casus belli is	[21:33]
Namworld	Yes, pretty much, live and let live. Not shape yourself to fit where you don't belong. Voice your opinion.	[21:33]
radan	they can kill me, until then I'm a free man.	[21:33]
radan	I don't get your point Namworld	[21:33]
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radan	I'm already doing that	[21:35]
Namworld	I'm calling you out on calling the world is going bad or people are wrong-headed when it is doing so only by your standards, which are arbitrary.	[21:35]
radan	they're not arbitrary	[21:35]
radan	they're subjective	[21:35]
radan	there's a difference	[21:35]
Namworld	You understood that I meant you've set those standards' limits where you pleased.	[21:36]
Namworld	Which yes, is based on your subjective point of view.	[21:37]
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Namworld	So not really arbitrary as in a random absolute rule set out without any reason.	[21:38]
radan	from my moral outlook	[21:39]
radan	which is the same as that of my ancestors thousands of years back	[21:39]
radan	modern society is feminized and shit	[21:40]
radan	from your moral outlook	[21:40]
radan	we're proceeding infinitely leftward on an uninterrupted train to Toleranceville.	[21:40]
radan	an objective observer can decide for himself which of these opinions is the more realistic one	[21:40]
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asciilifeform	radan: wait till you find out what passes for organized resistance to this crap in the usa	[21:40]
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asciilifeform	radan: me, i'm a believer in 'salvation of the drowning is work for the hands of the drowning' - but if you want organized - straight to limonov et al.	[21:41]
radan	read some spengler	[21:41]
radan	and evola, if you want to get into the metaphysics of it	[21:42]
radan	they're great	[21:42]
asciilifeform	i sort of assume everyone here has read both	[21:42]
asciilifeform	or at least, a good selection of each	[21:42]
asciilifeform	but i tend to assume thing that turn out to be mistake	[21:42]
Namworld	No, from my point of view we're progressing toward less famine, poverty and sickness through technology, and better understanding of our nature as an animal. Which in turn decreases violence, torture, wars and hate, as a side effect.	[21:42]
asciilifeform	trololol	[21:42]
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Namworld	I don't think we can eliminate those things, short of simply eradicating ourselves.	[21:43]
Namworld	You seem to find this funny?	[21:43]
asciilifeform	the funny part is the supposed progress	[21:44]
asciilifeform	but nm.	[21:44]
Namworld	It depends what you consider progress.	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	i don't get what the trouble with tolerance is in the first place.	[21:45]
radan	it's a fantasy	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	some of the best houses for the history of western thought were tolerance houses.	[21:45]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i think he was speaking of 'tolerasty'	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	a well. then he should say that :p	[21:45]
asciilifeform	толерастия	[21:45]
Namworld	Some would say loss of culture and traditional way of living is not progress. Me, I don't feel fondly attached to any culture particularly.	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	http://articles.prediger.ru/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/tolerast.jpg	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	teh iconic tolerasty cartoon	[21:46]
asciilifeform	терпила == literal trans. of 'patient'	[21:46]
asciilifeform	in my ad hoc lexicun, 'chumpatronium'	[21:46]
Namworld	Anything that reduce the motive behind wars, hate and violence is progress. Most technological progress have done just that so far.	[21:46]
asciilifeform	*lexicon	[21:47]
radan	"I don't feel fondly attached to any culture particularly."	[21:47]
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mircea_popescu	torpila, in romanian, torpedo. funny how that works.	[21:47]
radan	of course you don't	[21:47]
radan	yet you would feel deeply uncomfortable outside of the west	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	"that's because you're a rootless cosmpolitan!"	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	amirite ?	[21:47]
radan	is he?	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	well isn't that the criteria ?	[21:47]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: in rus., the useless winglet sometimes found on a car is often called torpedo. same in ro ?	[21:48]
radan	I think he's a bit more perceptive than your average happy merchant	[21:48]
radan	a merchant would've called me an anti-semite by now	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the bug mafia band quoted earlier discusses, in a song about cars, "sau vre-o torpila dunarita, la volan o fata, mai tata"	[21:48]
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asciilifeform	lol	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	in this context torpila means ancient but workable car	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	such as a volga	[21:48]
Namworld	radan, are you sure about that? What is it with all those assumptions?	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cRI_J0nwBY‎ < in there	[21:49]
radan	I went to a jewish high school	[21:49]
radan	my roomate is a jew	[21:49]
radan	I know how they think	[21:49]
Namworld	Knowing a jew does not make you know how they all think.	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	i once was with a girl so i know how THEY think!	[21:50]
radan	I'd imagine you do	[21:50]
radan	it's not exactly hard to figure out	[21:50]
Namworld	You talk as if jews where a single entity. One person with one mind.	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	i also had a computer so i know how those think too	[21:51]
radan	when you spend 7 hours a day for four years with representatives of a certain group	[21:51]
radan	you get to know the similarities	[21:51]
radan	and the individual vagaries	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	elected or otherwise ?	[21:51]
radan	of their thought	[21:51]
Namworld	THERE IS NO REPRESENTATIVE FOR GROUPS OF PEOPLE	[21:51]
radan	OH MY GOD	[21:51]
radan	CAN YOU JUST NOT	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	Namworld what of bitcoin jesus then ?	[21:51]
radan	- so done -	[21:52]
radan	regardsm, tumblr	[21:52]
Namworld	One person and another from the same group can be complete opposite.	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	Namworld not in sid meyer's civilisation...	[21:52]
asciilifeform	'you are on speaking terms with the night, as with an old enemy.' 'you sit in front of a machine that throws electrons in your face, all day, every day.' (former colleague's list of 'ye are a programmer if...')	[21:53]
Namworld	They're not all born with the same ideologies and values as their ancestors	[21:53]
asciilifeform	(re: 'how computer thinks')	[21:53]
radan	no, they're not	[21:53]
radan	they're raised in them	[21:53]
radan	saying "there's no similarities between individuals in a group" is a logical fallacy	[21:53]
radan	"nba players are just like any other people, some of them can shoot a basketball, some of them can't"	[21:53]
radan	"if you say otherwise you are racist"	[21:54]
Namworld	I didn't say there's none. It might be common. That's okay to expect similiarities to be probable. But one should not assume people from the same group will be alike.	[21:54]
radan	I never did	[21:54]
radan	this dialogue is veering dangerously close to autism	[21:55]
aclot	this dialogue is veering dangerously close to monologue	[21:56]
radan	^^	[21:57]
Namworld	You said you knew how jews think. Jews have a common religion. Everything else could be completly different. Although the religion might influence a good portion into certain ideas, if you took jews and non jews mixed together and asked their point of view on various things that doesn't touch jews like Israel and such, you'd have a hard time spotting them.	[21:57]
aclot	ono! jew.gif	[21:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6540 @ 0.00012502 = 0.8176 BTC [-] {11}	[21:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.058999 = 0.531 BTC [+]	[21:59]
Namworld	I think it's been established what is progress to me. Speaking of groups in absolute fuels hate, especially when the one speaking doesn't believe in such absolute, is bad. Thus I will speak against it when I see it. Just like you would call out people on doing things you disapprove of.	[22:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00341123 = 0.2729 BTC [+] {3}	[22:00]
BingoBoingo	You know the biggest change in bitcoin from 2013 is last year is was hell trying to get mass media journalists interested in talking about MPEx.	[22:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19002 @ 0.00093155 = 17.7013 BTC [+]	[22:05]
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Namworld	Well anyway, no point in talking further. I don't have anything else to do on the computer, I'll be on my way.	[22:07]
Namworld	Goodbye.	[22:07]
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radan	I want to invest my 1 bitcoin	[22:08]
radan	in a good bitcoin bank	[22:09]
radan	any recommendations?	[22:09]
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mircea_popescu	what's a bitcoin bank ?	[22:10]
hdbuck	some entity that holds your BTC for IUOs, then trade the shit out of it and run off whenever you claim them back?	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	o that.	[22:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.059 = 0.118 BTC [+]	[22:13]
BingoBoingo	http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/21/a-fundraiser-because-this-is-way-to-young-to-have-a-paywall-but-hosting-isnt-free/	[22:14]
ozbot	A Fundraiser, because this is way to young to have a paywall, but hosting isn't free \| Bingo Blog	[22:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00093313 = 12.7372 BTC [+] {2}	[22:17]
BingoBoingo	I've put more though into the fundraising thing. If anyone really prefered the oil painting option I guess I could throw that in as well.	[22:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07489628 = 0.9737 BTC [+]	[22:23]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: i've seen a few wagers on bitbet that have "house bets" attached to them -- are there specific criteria for whether the house will throw down on a bet, or is it left to mod discretion?	[22:23]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo: "way to young to"	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	afaik all bets have house bets	[22:24]
nubbins`	ah, i see	[22:24]
nubbins`	what's the reasoning behind that?	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	gotta provide some initial turbulence, gotta reward people going out and crafting bets,	[22:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00093316 = 13.7175 BTC [+]	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	by now coming up with bitbet bets is probably the highest paying writing gig on the internet.	[22:26]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Fixed	[22:26]
nubbins`	well i guess that explains why the house bet chose my address for payout	[22:27]
nubbins`	good to know, ty	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/faq/#21 like	[22:27]
ozbot	FAQ BitBet	[22:27]
nubbins`	well why don't i just read the fucking faq ;(	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	perhaps not paid enough ? :D	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	"Fred Ehrsam, a co-founder of the Bitcoin trading platform Coinbase, said his company took a position early on that it would not fight regulators. Regulators have cited it as an example of how others should behave."	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	who was asking about coinbase ?	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	"The whole reason we have such confidence in our company is that from the start we said this has got to be something that plays nicely with the traditional financial world," Ehrsam said in an interview.	[22:30]
radan	I was	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	so there you have it.	[22:30]
radan	is this a bad thing, or	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	that's entirely your call.	[22:30]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]	[22:34]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4158 @ 0.00012528 = 0.5209 BTC [+] {4}	[22:37]
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nubbins`	!t h hif	[22:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00047505 / 0.00047799 / 0.00051000 (233 shares, 0.11137229 BTC), 7D: 0.00039967 / 0.0004784 / 0.00051299 (5563 shares, 2.66135052 BTC), 30D: 0.00038617 / 0.00050487 / 0.00057500 (66212 shares, 33.42869431 BTC)	[22:40]
pigeons	coinbase: we're kinda like an exchange, but worse	[22:40]
nubbins`	heh.	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	in every conceivable way.	[22:41]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[22:41]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 581.66, vol: 21583.87073183 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 579.0, vol: 10000.35433 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 576.7096, vol: 18569.4595607 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 597.5, vol: 546.23592357 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 566.115, vol: 9728.67500000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 590.0, vol: 14.44894067 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 568.0781, vol: 118.14869583 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[22:41]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell reutersemily "Shortly after that, a bitcoin exchange known as bitfloor was shuttered after its US bank account was closed because it had not properly registered with regulators." << nah, bitfloor was run by shtylman, who either ran off with the coin or "lost" it.	[22:41]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell reutersemily "Concerns that regulatory action would cause customer funds to be trapped resulted in a sharp plunge in Bitcoin, falling from $US230 on April 10 to a low of $US68.49 on April 17" nah, http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-noobs-learn-lessons-and-pay-for-the-privilege/ that'll explain it to you.	[22:43]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:43]
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mircea_popescu	"Most professional users moved away from Mt. Gox months ago, leaving April 2013 or thereabouts. By June 2013, the final nail was in the coffin for US users," said one of bitcoin's core developers, who requested anonymity.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	i love that part tho lol.	[22:44]
benkay	BingoBoingo: pm	[22:44]
BingoBoingo	benkay: ACK	[22:44]
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benkay	;;gpg eauth benkay	[22:49]
gribble	Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@67-5-243-186.ptld.qwest.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/39F274AFBC7ACAC7	[22:49]
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benkay	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3c006002ce8cbbf72573b4158142c2bcb43048cc8f368dd2f5480477	[22:50]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7	[22:50]
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benkay	;;gettrust bitcoinpete	[22:56]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user bitcoinpete: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=bitcoinpete \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoinpete \| Rated since: never	[22:56]
BingoBoingo	;;eauth BingoBoingo	[22:56]
gribble	Request successful for user BingoBoingo, hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/309BB8D7F3251143	[22:56]
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BingoBoingo	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:299744a8584b2de5c5c306c2f3f5844ca6284e6dae1b43185c4e4295	[22:57]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user BingoBoingo with key 309BB8D7F3251143	[22:57]
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BingoBoingo	;;gettrust benkay	[22:59]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@67-5-243-186.ptld.qwest.net. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user benkay: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=benkay \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay \| Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013	[22:59]
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the20year1	just went in contract for #4	[23:01]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00329954 = 0.1188 BTC [-] {3}	[23:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 84 @ 0.00320001 = 0.2688 BTC [-] {4}	[23:08]
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the20year1	mircea_popescu: where is this quote from, about professional users leaving gox in 2013?	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	https://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/3/3/technology/mt-gox-was-always-dead-water	[23:12]
ozbot	Mt. Gox was always dead in the water \| Business Spectator	[23:12]
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BingoBoingo	So my location is in the middle of a "Fire Weather Warning"	[23:19]
benkay	;;later tell bitcoinpete let's do some gpg practice when you get back	[23:19]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[23:19]
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BingoBoingo	On that note Imma head over a few hollers to pickle the liver. I am already considering at least 1 sponsorship offer for the blog, and I'll prolly contnue entertaining offers through Thursday.	[23:24]
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benkay	yoloOppenheimer: great handle.	[23:25]
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yoloOppenheimer	:)	[23:26]
benkay	;;google trilema doge	[23:26]
gribble	Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are ... - Trilema: ; The stuple. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; The best (1 more message)	[23:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.000934 = 19.8942 BTC [+] {2}	[23:28]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 518 @ 0.00315536 = 1.6345 BTC [-] {7}	[23:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00313 = 0.1221 BTC [-]	[23:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07489628 = 0.1498 BTC [+]	[23:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.05899999 = 0.295 BTC [-]	[23:39]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.062 = 0.31 BTC [-]	[23:40]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.059 = 1.298 BTC [+]	[23:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 105 @ 0.00320001 = 0.336 BTC [+]	[23:43]
benkay	does kncminer ship product?	[23:43]
benkay	on a scale of "would buy from" to "utter scam", what is kncminer?	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	closer to the former afaik	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	these are the swedes neh ?	[23:44]
lyspooner	yes, they just put scrypt asics on pre-order yesterday	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	bout time.	[23:45]
*	benkay queues up the 'i told you so' routine for the local yokels	[23:46]
benkay	"memory from here to the garage"	[23:46]
benkay	get out of my face.	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform sed no, i sed no, what garage.	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	there was no garage.	[23:48]
the20year1	We just entered contract on property #6	[23:48]
asciilifeform	lol	[23:49]
the20year1	8br/4ba 3200sf duplex, $1300/mo in income for $40k purchase , no repairs	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	the20year1 so thats 6 + 2 from b4 ?	[23:49]
Mats_cd03	.ud gpg	[23:50]
Mats_cd03	;;ud gpg	[23:50]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gpg \| GPG. Grosse Pointe Guys. Loser guys that are deceitful, small, boring, worthless, and a complete waste of time. Glad Priscilla finally broke up with her dumb ...	[23:50]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: gpg	[23:50]
the20year1	Property #6, this results in a total unit pool of 11	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	o hey.	[23:50]
Mats_cd03	;;ud pgp	[23:50]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=PGP \| PGP. A pubic hair in plain view of the public, usually found on a toilet seat. Pube Gone Public. Instead of sitting on the toilet to unload my turd, I hovered over it ...	[23:50]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: PGP	[23:50]
Mats_cd03	fucking loled	[23:50]
asciilifeform	;;ud gru	[23:50]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gru \| GRU. The Soviet military intelligence organization. GRU - Glavnoye Razvedyvatel'noye Upravleniye. by Да здравствует Родина September 03, 2012. 338 18.	[23:50]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: gru	[23:50]
asciilifeform	well that's a first.	[23:51]
benkay	mircea_popescu: sed no as in scrypt asics are not possible?	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	sed no as in no such memory to garage is needed	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	and moreover, sed no as to "ram is cheaper than any other chip wtf are you on about"	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you fail at ud game.	[23:52]
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benkay	the garage comment came from a carpenter and not a silicon engineer.	[23:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.11950724 = 1.1951 BTC [-]	[23:53]
asciilifeform	Да здравствует Родина.	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	what's a здравствует ?	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	born to... live ?	[23:54]
asciilifeform	'Да здравствуе' ~= '[let there] [have good health]' ~= engl. 'glory to'	[23:54]
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asciilifeform	*has	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	aok	[23:54]
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mircea_popescu	but then... what, born what ?	[23:54]
asciilifeform	Родина == 'motherland'	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	o there we go	[23:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 352 @ 0.00319027 = 1.123 BTC [-] {4}	[23:56]
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