Forum logs for 21 Feb 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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jurov	http://hpmor.com/chapter/108 geee. so apparently voldemort became voldemort...to kill out idiots!	[00:07]
assbot	Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, Chapter 108: The Truth, Pt 5, Answers and Riddles ... ( http://bit.ly/1z64djP )	[00:07]
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asciilifeform	we did discuss the author on at least one occasion	[00:07]
*	asciilifeform has him mentally -10 wot for many, many years now	[00:08]
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jurov	yea i remember that well	[00:10]
decimation	asciilifeform: rowling?	[00:10]
asciilifeform	nope	[00:10]
asciilifeform	it's a riff	[00:10]
asciilifeform	on the original	[00:10]
asciilifeform	(which i also never got around to reading)	[00:10]
decimation	is this better or worse than the 'riff' featuring the woodchipper?	[00:10]
asciilifeform	based very loosely	[00:10]
decimation	I read most of the books. my conclusion is that rowling got 'lucky'	[00:11]
asciilifeform	anyway 'methods of rationality' is by a fella called yudkowsky	[00:11]
asciilifeform	(whozzat? see log.)	[00:12]
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decimation	lol yudkowsky wrote a harry potter fan book	[00:12]
asciilifeform	possibly his best known work.	[00:13]
asciilifeform	by a very long shot	[00:13]
*	decimation learns a fact about silly-con valley, only to find it is even more true than he thought	[00:13]
punkman	chapter 108? last time I looked at it was like 50	[00:13]
danielpbarron	i made a rootfs_ramdisk.img but i'm pretty sure it isn't ready due to some confusion over what needs to be done with /dev/ and also there were other files mentioned in the guide that i could not find in my result	[00:14]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: you're very nearly at the part that catastrophically fails	[00:14]
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asciilifeform	ding ding ding	[00:24]
asciilifeform	there we go	[00:24]
danielpbarron	well that elimates possibility number 4, and introduced number 5 (that we are in cahoots)	[00:25]
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mats	http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/megasahd-the-lack-of-gentle-platonic-touch-in-mens-lives-is-a-killer kek	[00:33]
assbot	The Lack of Gentle Platonic Touch in Men's Lives is a Killer - ... ( http://bit.ly/1z66204 )	[00:33]
trinque	#touchislife	[00:36]
trinque	sounds like that guy needs a professional cuddler http://cuddleuptome.com/	[00:37]
assbot	Cuddle Up To Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1DHVb2m )	[00:37]
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mats	http://www.slideshare.net/amiable_indian/unusual-bugs	[00:57]
assbot	Unusual Bugs ... ( http://bit.ly/1DHWoGZ )	[00:57]
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decimation	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11424238/Britain-cannot-defend-itself-against-Putins-military-might-top-brass-warn.html "http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11424238/Britain-cannot-defend-itself-against-Putins-military-might-top-brass-warn.html"	[01:01]
assbot	Britain cannot defend itself against Putin's military might, top brass warn - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1z67UGb )	[01:01]
decimation	doh "As two RAF Typhoon fighters were scrambled on Wednesday evening to escort Russian long range bombers flying off Cornwall, military chiefs said that the UK “could not cope” with an all-out attack as our defences have been “decimated”. "	[01:01]
asciilifeform	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/media/11426319/Times-publisher-News-UK-launches-internal-investigation-after-suicides-of-two-members-of-its-commercial-staff.html << from the tales of the nailgun squadron	[01:03]
assbot	Times publisher, News UK, launches internal investigation after suicides of two members of its commercial staff - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1z684NE )	[01:03]
decimation	maybe it's depressing - working in london	[01:03]
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decimation	http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/europa/putin-veraergert-eu-droht-mit-sanktionen-13440150.html	[01:07]
assbot	Putin verärgert - EU droht mit Sanktionen ... ( http://bit.ly/1z68nIx )	[01:07]
decimation	"„Es wird diesem Land nicht einfach gemacht, seinen Weg in Freiheit und Selbstbestimmtheit zu finden.“ Der Prozess bleibe schwierig." < It is not easy for this country [ukraine] to find its way to freedom and self determination" [Merkel] said	[01:08]
decimation	apparently she's starting to equivocate...	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	doh "As two RAF Typhoon <<< news to exactly no-one	[01:08]
asciilifeform	'airstrip one'	[01:09]
decimation	aye	[01:09]
asciilifeform	it's just for usaf to land & refuel on	[01:09]
decimation	not least to the russians	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	and london sucks in a way that can't be described.	[01:09]
asciilifeform	london sucked in 1700	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	nothing changed.	[01:09]
decimation	the russians apparently toy with the yuropeans like a kitty toys with a fish	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform unfortunately, the us response in ukr is proportionately larger than the us response would be in england, for the sameactivity.	[01:09]
decimation	each one of those tu-95's can carry cruise missiles that can individually fly 600 km, so these missions are merely propaganda runs	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	us is like the sniper : has one good shot. if he misses that one, or if you get in range... dead.	[01:10]
asciilifeform	against defenseless folks, sniper has as many shots as are in his horn	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	not the case here.	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	for one thing, the horn holds pretty much a shot. for the other, ru actually has air superiority since about 2013.	[01:11]
decimation	well, it remains to be seen what the tu-95's would do if they were 'fired in anger'	[01:12]
asciilifeform	wake me up when ru has not-running-winblows superiority	[01:12]
decimation	they would probably not derp around in enemy airspace	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	arbitrary fence is arbitrary.	[01:13]
decimation	I seriously doubt the us would be unable to defend its airspace	[01:14]
decimation	but it is probably also the case that ru could inflict serious damage	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	"defend its airspace" is irrelevant here. the us is unable to project.	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	anyone can defend, these days, because of rocketry.	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	and there's nothing wrong with that.	[01:16]
decimation	agreed, that's another matter	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	heck, even the ukrs can defend their airspace from commercial airliners	[01:16]
decimation	actually usg has also tacitly admitted that its submarines are becoming useless http://nationalinterest.org/feature/are-submarines-about-become-obsolete-12253	[01:16]
assbot	Are Submarines About to Become Obsolete? \| The National Interest ... ( http://bit.ly/1z68UKz )	[01:16]
mats	i find that dubious	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	well, it makes little sense to keep a nuclear sub and a carrier these days	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	as they do essentially the same things.	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	face the same risk profiles etc.	[01:18]
mats	i imagine its easier to defend a sub rather than a carrier	[01:19]
decimation	mats: you are probably right on that one	[01:19]
asciilifeform	a bit hard to take off a jet from sub	[01:19]
decimation	the paper in question seems to imply it's mainly a matter of what happens when the sub gets too close to shore	[01:19]
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mircea_popescu	mats why ?	[01:20]
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decimation	asciilifeform: "A new approach to offensive undersea operations. Manned submarines will likely need to shift from being front-line tactical platforms like aircraft to being host and coordination platforms like aircraft carriers. "	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[01:21]
mats	well for one thing a carrier is vulnerable on all axes	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	mats so is the sub.	[01:21]
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mats	sub can crawl sea floor and reduce attack surface	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	actually floor is very dangerous with the new seeking missiles	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	because it reflects the wave / crushes	[01:22]
decimation	asciilifeform: on page 14 of the linked pdf you can see a picture of sub 'taking off' uav	[01:22]
mats	name?	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	i dun have a name.	[01:22]
asciilifeform	they launched biplanes and even triplanes from subs	[01:23]
asciilifeform	'30s	[01:23]
mats	ill investigate later then	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it's just that the advantages of subs (quietness, depth) are less and less valuable	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	and once they can't actually work tactically anymore, they're basically a smaller submersible carrier.	[01:24]
decimation	"Emerging non-acoustic detection techniques also show great promise. The theoretical possibilities of detecting minute changes on the ocean’s surface caused by a submarine or the wake it leaves underwater have been widely recognized since the Cold War, but only now have processing power and oceanographic modeling improved to the point where these approaches may be operationally feasible. Methods to detect radiation or chemicals	[01:25]
decimation	emitted by a submarine also date from the Cold War and may benefit from the improved sensitivity “big data” could provide."	[01:25]
mats	sounds like a good scam	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	mats it becomes insanely more expensive to quiet them down as time passes.	[01:26]
mats	i see your point, but im not convinced the detection technology is there yet	[01:28]
decimation	" New ASW technologies and improve- ments to non-nuclear undersea platforms, however, will likely enable adversaries to comple- ment their surface and air A2/AD networks with undersea surveillance and attack systems. These may not have the reach of anti-ship ballistic missiles or modern surface-to-air missiles, but they have the potential to make the undersea littorals of a potential adversary an increas- ingly denied zone. "	[01:28]
mats	i hope they called james cameron	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	well, whether it's here yet or not... things still evolve one way. all i said was re this direction.	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	decimation basically they're really desperate to maintain as much projection into future budgets, but in point of fact... maintaining both a carrier and a nuclear powered sub programme isn't likely.	[01:30]
decimation	mats, this paper is not some random derp, it's a highly connected dod think tank	[01:30]
asciilifeform	how many nuke subs left in usa? and how many janitors who haven't torched theirs yet	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	like 16 ?	[01:30]
asciilifeform	1 down, ? to go	[01:30]
asciilifeform	15	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	anyway, it will be the lol of all time if the carrier-sub joint at the seams frankenstein resembles anything the fighter-bomber-helicopter-drone f35 attempt.	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	"costs an infinity, delivers paperwork"	[01:31]
asciilifeform	in j. sladek's 'tik tok', sf novel in '83, in the 'dark future' (tm) an aircraft-carrier-with-wheels, vast and infinitely expensive, is finally built	[01:33]
decimation	well, the bigger picture is that usg is not going to be able to threaten russia or china as much as it used to	[01:33]
mats	maybe the sea drones will fail less than the airborne models	[01:33]
asciilifeform	as a mega-apocalyptic culmination of usg military wankery	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform indeed.	[01:33]
mats	https://www.securecoding.cert.org/confluence/display/seccode/AA.+Bibliography a collection of papers	[01:35]
assbot	AA. Bibliography - Secure Coding - CERT Secure Coding Standards ... ( http://bit.ly/18aEHob )	[01:35]
asciilifeform	mats: i have that book	[01:35]
asciilifeform	(seacord)	[01:36]
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mats	im reading the papers in preparation for the book	[01:36]
mats	taking me ages i might add	[01:39]
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thestringpuller	falling asleep at a computer is one of the most amazing feelings ever	[01:58]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[01:58]
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cazalla	;;later tell Vexual look who it is lol http://www.smh.com.au/national/king-of-cannabis-nevil-schoenmakers-stages-a-quiet-comeback-20150220-13iazv.html	[02:35]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[02:35]
assbot	King of cannabis Nevil Schoenmakers stages a quiet comeback ... ( http://bit.ly/18aU1Bj )	[02:35]
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mircea_popescu	heh check that out.	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	poor guy had to wait 20 years for teh fucktards torun out of steam.	[02:50]
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mircea_popescu	assbot: Greece and creditors agree to extend bailout package << euians saw all the fun usians had with the "debt ceiling", made a little sideshow of their own.	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: http://xkcd.com/1489/ <<< that's pretty much EXACTLY it. and then various noobs imagine physics is a serious science, while in fact it barely hangs out at the outskirts of credibility, and same noobs imagine stuff like i dunno, psychiatry or "earth sciences" are not kinda as srs as physics "but nevertheless".	[14:24]
assbot	xkcd: Fundamental Forces ... ( http://bit.ly/1zW0jKs )	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	that's what nobody wants to really say about string theory : while it's a ridiculous pile of pasta, it's not really that far off from physics.	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	"US Central Command says up to 25,000 troops are being assembled for the Mosul campaign, to take on 1-2,000 ISIL fighters." boooon.... o sa iasa un dezastru...	[14:26]
PeterL	why do they need so many troops?	[14:27]
mircea_popescu	because they don't stand a chance.	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	"well at least there's a lot of us. that gotta count for something."	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	anyway, that they're "iraquis" is ridoinculous beyond belief. not even the usg believes anyone'd believe it, hence the "and kurdish" because supposedly nobody knows who the kurds are. except...	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	"everyone" knows academi has been hiring overtime. these are all mercenaries, they are costing the us more than us troops would have cost	[14:29]
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mircea_popescu	and winning a war with mercenaries against those nuts is above what i could accomplish.	[14:29]
PeterL	and us USians still wonder why we are paying for soldiers to derp around on the other side of the world	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	but the move has both putin and the chinese politburo in stitches. seriously, this means the us will never again deploy its own troops. us military just became an extremely expensive jannisary corp.	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	the epic lulz of it tho... so iraq had some 100k under arms that ran off abandoning not just weapons but their very unifortms, and now the us that don't even speak the language found 20k guys who are of the opposite persuasion. heck, if only the iraq state could be as proficiernt, they could have found better soldiers o.O	[14:32]
PeterL	at what point does this mercenary force stop listening to orders and just raiding whoever the feel like?	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	half hour in ?	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	let me remind you that last time the dod threatened to investigate blackwater the response (from the ceo) was : if you try we'll just kill your "investigator" and that'll be that.	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	so they... didn't.	[14:34]
PeterL	seems like we are building a monster we wont be able to control	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	that's coupla decades ago.	[14:34]
PeterL	but we keep feeding it, at some point it won't need our food anymore	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	if you raise your children badly, it's not that they won't NEED it	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	is that at some point they'll stop merely taking what you provide and start beating you.	[14:36]
chetty	"US Central Command says up to 25,000 troops are being assembled for the Mosul campaign, to take on 1-2,000 ISIL fighters."//next notice to include specific deployment schedules and routes, never fear	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	paris police is regularly ordered to stand down from organised muslim crime. what exactly is so special about paris ?	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	all these dudes can just move to new york, rob banks. what's to stop them ?	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	the discussion is in the logs on this score.	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	chetty its because they [perhaps correctly] figure they need the outside reinforcement.	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	ie, why will this force do what we tell them to ? well... because thewy saw it on tv.	[14:38]
chetty	rofl	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	i've never seen nuttery on this level before. seriously, "soft politics" is one thing, "oh we're so good we control teh ppl with the media".	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	applied in lieu of chain of command ? what are these people smoking!	[14:39]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: simpler than that.	[14:39]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: theory goes that no well-fed u.s. 400k-usd/yr academi demolitions expert or whatnot has the slightest desire to be king of the orcs	[14:40]
asciilifeform	because orcs	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	mircea_popescu> "everyone" knows academi has been hiring overtime. << these are all noobs.	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	think about it. GREEN mercenaries vs allah's host.	[14:40]
asciilifeform	green with infinite air support ?	[14:41]
BingoBoingo	think about it. GREEN mercenaries vs allah's host. << Don't forget the mercenaries that aren't green in the peshmerga who want their own state carved out of Turkey	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	somebody in the us ACTUALLY SET TO PAPER the thought that well, since they're noobs that's a strategic advantage, "nobody will be able to know they're not as described on tin, iraq/kurd"	[14:41]
chetty	green mercs, green commanders, micro management from on high = a sure fire recipe	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i dunno how infinite that is. but "infinite" didn't help vietnam	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	chetty makes your skin crawl don't it.	[14:42]
chetty	it do, it do	[14:42]
*	asciilifeform not specialist, but remembers that vietnam had, e.g., leaf cover	[14:42]
asciilifeform	and good soviet support	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	o, im sure nobody is supporting the arabs o.O	[14:43]
asciilifeform	arabs or 'isis'	[14:43]
asciilifeform	iirc there's some disagreement among the arabs at large	[14:43]
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mircea_popescu	sure.	[14:43]
asciilifeform	unless i grossly misunderstand, it's not a 'us vs arabs' match, but a 'small faction of uppity orcs vs whole bunch of other folks incl. most of the neighbouring orcs' match.	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo yeah, but turkey's an ally in this campaign o.O	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i would say that's a gross misrepresentation.	[14:44]
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mircea_popescu	it's a "us vs one of the football teams of the Y. they do nominally vie for supremacy. they do not in the slightest mind any one team take the world cup"	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	it's like a rite of passage, for arabs, pissing on the great satan. whoever does it best is just more respectable, is all.	[14:45]
mats	i don't believe the kurds will actually fight inside mosul	[14:47]
mircea_popescu	i don't see it either.	[14:48]
mircea_popescu	but as a kind-of minor point. what fucking kurds.	[14:48]
BingoBoingo	i don't believe the kurds will actually fight inside mosul << There's a time and place the Kurds will fight, but first the need to go through the motions of leveraging all of the phree stuff they can from Obola	[14:49]
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mats	BingoBoingo: i believe the kurds will be on the outskirts of mosul, pulling security	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	what i'd like to see is what the fuck "humint" provided the 1-2k figure is all.	[14:50]
mats	as i understand it, they don't want to wade into shia sunni violence and catch some political fallout in the process	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	sadly i don't see too well inside teh golden crescent. no real interest for me there.	[14:51]
BingoBoingo	mats: Here prolly. Give it a decade or two. The Mujahadeen didn't become Al Queda until Osama needed to handle pensions.	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	that's an interesting point.	[14:52]
BingoBoingo	Right now the talking heads in the media keep talking about how we need to arm the Kurds further, and how far we are from fulfilling their requests in total.	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	lawl.	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	oh gods i am so thankful to have been born in the first ever Age of Comedy	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	no golden age before is worth all of this golden lulz.	[14:54]
mats	help help i'm being oppressed	[14:55]
thestringpuller	except the golden age of comics	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo seriously, SERIOUSLY ? like... like... like soviet broadcasts in 1940 ?	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	about how hard teh ppl are workin to supply thje salvation army and what % quotas were supplied ?	[14:55]
BingoBoingo	I remember earlier this week some radio host talking about how Obama is only giving the Peshmerga 20 so Armoured personel carriers instead of the 120 som the Pershmerga needs	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	as if someone somewhere is actually busy putting mill to metal to "supply" the needs ?	[14:56]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Seriously	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	hilarious.	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	Adlai: though combustion is not requires, vapor is also nice and would suffice << this guy so fried...	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	talkin' in verses n speakin' in rhymes	[14:57]
BingoBoingo	https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2wm3h7/eli5_why_is_amir_taaki_important_and_why_do_some/cos48ko << Megalol, Companion loling >> https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2wnjjt/bitcoiners_find_out_what_the_dark_in_darkwallet/	[14:59]
assbot	ELI5: Why is Amir Taaki important and why do some people dislike him. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/17lL86I )	[14:59]
assbot	Bitcoiners find out what the "dark" in darkwallet means, try to justify it. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/17lL7Qk )	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	someone post the immortal http://trilema.com/2012/amir-taaki-has-done-and-continues-to-do-huge-disservice-to-anyone-serious-involved-in-bitcoin/	[15:00]
assbot	Amir Taaki has done, and continues to do, huge disservice to anyone serious involved in Bitcoin. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/17lLeeB )	[15:00]
BingoBoingo	Well they got to the ancient https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=3066.0 first	[15:01]
assbot	Erotic chat by Skype ... ( http://bit.ly/17lLhHh )	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	lol aite.	[15:02]
mircea_popescu	sa crew keeping the lid on him eh.	[15:02]
BingoBoingo	Yeah. Not with the Amir is incompetent angle, but the Amir is a perv angle	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	chetty: how they gonna train kids for things that haven't been invented yet? << maybe give up on the trainin' ? the greeks had the same problem, had solution : music, sport, grammar and logic. and fuck them.	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i take it back, they prolly know the material, let 'em manage it. i can't be arsed to follow amir. whoever does, can call the shots.	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2015#1027022 << ayup.	[15:06]
assbot	Logged on 21-02-2015 12:01:22; cazalla: something is very fucking wrong when my broke ass opa who couldn't speak a word of fucking english managed to get a job in the steel works and pay off a house in 2 decades and raise 6 kids in the 1950s... not even 2 adults working with 1 kid can do that today here	[15:06]
BingoBoingo	Inflation	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	nono, "easing'	[15:07]
BingoBoingo	sorry, relaxing and lubricaing	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	cazalla: sometimes i wish i never found this place, i wouldn;t know any fucking better, could've kept towing the line that this is how it's to be << famous words.	[15:10]
fluffypony	QUANTITATIVE easing	[15:10]
fluffypony	because that word makes it sound better	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	im bashing the shit outta cazalla lol.	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony it has the crisp feel of SCIENCE	[15:10]
fluffypony	exactly	[15:10]
fluffypony	"scientists say quantitative easing is BETTER"	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	"give us your quality of life, have some quantity of stupid instead!"	[15:11]
fluffypony	"it's better because easing, like it makes your life easier"	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	"like remember that time you cut yourt cock off ? how easier peeing became ?"	[15:11]
asciilifeform	dulap!!	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	cazalla: such conflict << conflict is the stuff of life, man. an' how one resolves conflicts is what separates teh men from teh...	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	well whatever.	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	so im getting this supplier to invoice me in bitcoin, and they've been working on it, making their own btc accounting software an errything.	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	overnight, i get an email invoice 20 times. clearly, progress.	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	"cazalla: and the result? oh you are oppositional defiant, you have a conduct disorder" << waiot wut ?! how old are you after all	[15:16]
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mircea_popescu	"oppositional defiant", the "disorder" of "we suck"	[15:17]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: you gotta remember Australia is a pioneer is "social sciences" ESL retardations. They pioneer these things for USia and Lower Britain.	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	nuts.	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	so organised oppression of the 10% leadership ? very fucking smart.	[15:19]
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BingoBoingo	Australia kind of led the way in developing "Outrage Fatigue"	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	!up Asenath	[15:23]
-assbot-	You voiced Asenath for 30 minutes.	[15:23]
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mircea_popescu	i had no idea.	[15:23]
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ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: "not under any circumstances payable in cash" << you live in the weirdest bubble.	[15:40]
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Adlai	"scientists say quantitative easing is BETTER" << "turn your economy around with this one weird trick!", "anarchists HATE him!"	[15:44]
Apocalyptic	lol	[15:45]
Adlai	+mircea_popescu \| talkin' in verses n speakin' in rhymes << it's just https://xkcd.com/312/	[15:45]
assbot	xkcd: With Apologies to Robert Frost ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqMmg6 )	[15:45]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: absentee landlord on opposite coast	[15:46]
ben_vulpes	https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/issues/31164#issuecomment-50284751 << shitgnomes.	[15:46]
assbot	Unsigned kexts cannot be used on 10.10 · Issue #31164 · Homebrew/homebrew · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqMxrN )	[15:46]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: deposit directly into their bank account?	[15:46]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: cash ?	[15:47]
ben_vulpes	sure, why not	[15:47]
ben_vulpes	that what you were going on about	[15:47]
asciilifeform	can do this at bank ?	[15:47]
asciilifeform	let's say you could. how do you prove you paid ?	[15:48]
ben_vulpes	(and re unsigned kexts: it's shitgnomes on shitgnomes. os x no longer runs unsigned kexts, the solution for which is to...distribute binaries)	[15:48]
mats	counter deposit receipt	[15:48]
ben_vulpes	receipt, trust.	[15:48]
Adlai	tlsnotary!	[15:49]
Adlai	which is basically "receipt", since you're still trusting the bank	[15:49]
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Apocalyptic	can do this at bank ? // that's the preferred way to trade at -otc	[15:51]
Apocalyptic	apparently at Chase you can no longer deposit into accounts you're not the holder of, but at other banks presumably this still works	[15:52]
ben_vulpes	that's rich.	[15:52]
ben_vulpes	the window is closing.	[15:52]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: i'm not saying you won't be right, but in your quest to get out in front of how the world will be you're not looking at how the world is.	[15:53]
ben_vulpes	"doom gloom, the fascists know all" attitude keeps you doing what they want.	[15:53]
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Adlai	a sufficiently paranoid populace needs no persecution	[15:56]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: goes deeper than my superficial explanation suggests. i was really on about the difficulty of 'bitcoinizing' fundamentally fiat-wot-based business arrangements	[15:58]
asciilifeform	that is, say i had landlord who is paid in cash, and he decides that months's bag of money 'never happend'	[15:58]
asciilifeform	then what	[15:58]
ben_vulpes	sure. i'll read more thoroughly next time i'm a thousand lines behind.	[15:58]
ben_vulpes	granted, a problem.	[15:59]
asciilifeform	it works if we were both, say, italians, where 'it isn't done', or if i were part of an ethonmafia that will cause him problems in the event of raw deal	[15:59]
asciilifeform	but neither applies	[15:59]
ben_vulpes	but one of the wot, no?	[15:59]
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mircea_popescu	let's say you could. how do you prove you paid ? << don't be silly, this is a triviality.	[15:59]
asciilifeform	*ethnomafia	[15:59]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: every problem is a triviality to folks who can't even conceive of having it	[16:01]
asciilifeform	on account of weight class	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	but the notion that you can't make payments... i mean ? just too weird.	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	you do get a receipt for the txn	[16:01]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: you probably knew this, but large (how large is 'large' varies based on the day's 'terrorism thermometer') cash tx in u.s. banks require id and are reported	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	well yes.	[16:02]
asciilifeform	so that defeats the purpose of the exercise of using cash.	[16:03]
asciilifeform	as was meant to	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	it won't be possible for you to anonymously send cash to some guy you don't know. necessarily.	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	but you are, phyusically, using the cahs.	[16:03]
punkman	I've never paid rent not in cash :P	[16:03]
asciilifeform	then same as cutting a cheque	[16:03]
asciilifeform	or sending a wire	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	see, you're equivocating. one purpose of using cash is anonymity. ANOTHER pourpose is to just get rid of the plutonium crate.	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	these aren't the same.	[16:03]
asciilifeform	in that 'usg knows you had $xxxx that day in your pocket'	[16:03]
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asciilifeform	'get rid of' in the sense of 'make use of without giving half of it to usg'	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	exactl.y	[16:04]
asciilifeform	or getting on lists	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	ah, well, there's more angles to the problem. you need a good tax attorney, a llc structure, etc etc.	[16:04]
asciilifeform	suddenly it costs $100k to move $100k	[16:04]
asciilifeform	what if you only have 10.	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	no, it costs 100k to have the infrastructure in place.	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	like you know ddr2 ? must meet min speed ?	[16:05]
asciilifeform	granted.	[16:05]
asciilifeform	but everyone already knew that the problem, after a certain scale, is solvable	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	investing in this infrastructure is 3 or more degrees of magnitude more valuable than investing in college for you your kid your slave your dog.	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	yet MILLIONS do the latter. do not tell me it is impossible.	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	it is unwilled, but that is entirely for silly reasons.	[16:05]
asciilifeform	millions do the latter << heavily subsidized by usg	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless.	[16:06]
asciilifeform	for instance, i pay ~1.5x - 2x per sq. metre of housing than my colleagues	[16:06]
asciilifeform	on account of rent not being a tax-deductible item in usa	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	it is in fact a rehash of the "i can't run bitcoin on linux because i have windows"	[16:06]
asciilifeform	(while debt slavery - is)	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	buy a corp with debt.,	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	rent as the corp.	[16:06]
asciilifeform	this is a 'must be this tall to play' affair, as described above	[16:07]
asciilifeform	need the infrastructure	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	yes. like not running windows, it's a "this tall to play" affair.	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	you will notice that we fall on this matter as follows : you're significantly more stringent than me on one score, and significantly laxer than me on the other.	[16:07]
asciilifeform	except that linux is free (yeah, aha, 'if your time has no value' - well guess what, mine - didn't - as a student)	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	this alone should be prima facie evidence i'm actually right.	[16:08]
asciilifeform	hmm?	[16:08]
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mircea_popescu	not clear ?	[16:09]
asciilifeform	afraid not	[16:09]
asciilifeform	so far i don't disagree - the problem i described could indeed be magicked away entirely and semi-permanently by judicious application of ~100k usd	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	person presents with complaint "i can not correctly use bitcoin because im on windows". on a scale of -10 to +10, where -10 is "that's ok, you shoulsd use windows" and 10 is "fuck you get off windows anywhay right now no mattert the cost" you average about a -8, i about a -1	[16:10]
[]bot	Bet created: "CLAM losing grip -> sells 0.0029 or lower before April 25th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1121/	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	other person presents with complaint "i can not correctly use bitcoin because i'm on bezzle". you average +8, i average the same -1.	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	this divergence suggests you're wrong.	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	s/-1/+1/ apparently numbers are hard and signs harder.	[16:11]
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asciilifeform	see, linux is free if you had the upbringing, but 100k might as well be 100kg of plutonium as far as i'm concerned	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	you are mixing concepts.	[16:12]
asciilifeform	hence the difference	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	how convenient something is can not be a part of discussing what to do	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	it can only be considered once what to do is established, and the discussion moves on to how to do it.	[16:12]
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asciilifeform	how physically feasible something is, must be included	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	just as long as it's not a re-dressed convenience argument.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	there's no physics law against sanity, yet.	[16:13]
asciilifeform	what'd be the 'sanity' ?	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	obviously, i'm a great student of the mouse school of jar handling.	[16:14]
asciilifeform	if it costs 100k to be let out of asylum and not have the thorazine injected daily, should we still think of the sanity in the usual sense of the word ?	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	well nao, i'll have to think about that.	[16:15]
*	asciilifeform is one of the numerous mice on parade here in #b-a who go 'thchwack' against the glass daily	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	this is true.	[16:15]
asciilifeform	but to tell mouse that there is no glass, and it is only a figment of his perceptions, is an odd thing imho	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	well this case more closely resembles teh trained electric fence thing	[16:17]
asciilifeform	or to tell him that in the garden shed where his jar stands, in a toolchest there is a glass-cutter.	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	haha pretty good	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	but i still dun think it's a fair eval.	[16:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27577 @ 0.00039825 = 10.9825 BTC [+] {2}	[16:22]
asciilifeform	the mouse is a perfect analogy here, because his efforts at glass-breaking are not in any way cumulative	[16:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23503 @ 0.00038325 = 9.0075 BTC [-]	[16:27]
asciilifeform	he'd have to live for ten thousand years in the jar to make so much as a visible mark in the glass.	[16:27]
chetty	but from the outside he could get the glass cutter and do some damage :P	[16:32]
asciilifeform	with teleporter ?	[16:34]
Adlai	... and the jar's floor is a treadmill, each shelf's mills singing a parallel circuit to power the shed's dingy incandescent	[16:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00037076 = 7.6006 BTC [-]	[16:39]
thestringpuller	fucking uncle sam wanting more and more taxes	[16:42]
thestringpuller	i realize paying taxes is so futile with our insatiable defecit	[16:42]
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thestringpuller	letz borrow monies 4 gunz plz	[16:42]
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asciilifeform	cazalla: no, but the cost of electricity, gas and others under the idea of global warming and taxes [and rest of that thread] << if it makes ya feel better - far worse in usa. i, for instance, know for a fact that i will never own any lands here.	[16:55]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build.	[16:57]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu, et al ^^^	[16:57]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00037229 = 9.754 BTC [+]	[17:00]
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ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: neat!	[17:23]
ben_vulpes	for the ignoramuses like myself, how does the ramdisk figure into the pop project?	[17:23]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-02-2015#1026168	[17:25]
assbot	Logged on 20-02-2015 17:53:11; ascii_field: danielpbarron: at present time there is no support whatoever for the eeprom in netbsd. this means that it can be used, but only if the userland (yes, all of it) is baked into a ramdisk baked into the kernel (which in turn is loaded by uboot in one shot at powerup)	[17:25]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-02-2015#1026169	[17:25]
assbot	Logged on 20-02-2015 17:53:43; ascii_field: danielpbarron: the netbsd kernel and userland are sufficiently compact (vs linux) to make this a worthwhile exercise	[17:25]
ben_vulpes	ah so whole os running out of ram? loaded in...one shot at boot.	[17:26]
asciilifeform	aha	[17:26]
asciilifeform	this is SOP on very cheap routers with minimal, low-endurance eeprom	[17:26]
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nubbins`	re: logs	[17:27]
asciilifeform	it is also a good approach because it forces all the crud to be expunged with hot iron	[17:27]
nubbins`	why do i get the impression that nobody wants to exit the hamster cage because the wheel and watering tube are really nice and convenient?	[17:28]
ben_vulpes	omg this channel is the most educational thing in my life	[17:28]
nubbins`	o.O	[17:28]
nubbins`	"i really wanna lose weight, but big macs are just so good and i gotta have 10 a day"	[17:28]
nubbins`	bunch of guys so wrapped up in bezzle trappings that they don't realize their cage door is wide open	[17:29]
ben_vulpes	yes i'm an idiot	[17:29]
ben_vulpes	i started a company	[17:29]
ben_vulpes	i now have obligations	[17:30]
ben_vulpes	da woist	[17:30]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: analogy fall apart easily enough if nudged: you can readily tell the glutton what he would have to do if he were to seize hold of himself and climb out of his fat with iron will	[17:30]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: why dontcha try telling us condemned fools the equivalent	[17:30]
asciilifeform	glutton: 'eat 1/10th, take up hard training'	[17:30]
*	asciilifeform , ben_vulpes, et al: ???	[17:31]
nubbins`	i don't /really/ think i need to tell you guys that tears are a necessary ingredient to un-fucking your situations	[17:31]
kakobrekla	nubbins` local pain minimum	[17:31]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: sure, but -what kind- of tears	[17:31]
nubbins`	fierce, bitter tears. as opposed to a dull, prolonged weeping.	[17:31]
asciilifeform	^ zero information here	[17:32]
ben_vulpes	the only thing i can think to do is accumulate capital.	[17:32]
asciilifeform	what's the equivalent of the 'stop gluttony and exercise' here	[17:32]
ben_vulpes	"rocket"	[17:32]
asciilifeform	^	[17:32]
nubbins`	asciilifeform: stop waste and save.	[17:32]
asciilifeform	but nubbins` is implying that rocket is unnecessary if iron will	[17:32]
nubbins`	sounds blithe, no?	[17:32]
ben_vulpes	move to argentina and do webdev remotely.	[17:32]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: this requires something to save and some waste to cut	[17:33]
ben_vulpes	now thats tears.	[17:33]
nubbins`	asciilifeform that's where the tears come in	[17:33]
kakobrekla	seems to me destination is getting further and further away also	[17:33]
nubbins`	you know i took a ninety per cent pay cut two years ago?	[17:33]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: elementary fact is that i can only keep my wot obligations (s.nsa) if i have present level of equipment and time	[17:33]
asciilifeform	and fiat income	[17:33]
kakobrekla	thats his excuse now.	[17:34]
nubbins`	i ^	[17:34]
nubbins`	unless you're leasing said equipment, don't you already have it?	[17:34]
asciilifeform	the most costly piece of equipment is time.	[17:35]
nubbins`	just so it's not glossed over, i said earlier that i took a 90% pay cut in 2013	[17:35]
nubbins`	and someone with a link to the stats can take a stab at how much time i spend dicking around on irc	[17:35]
nubbins`	how do you suppose i can manage this?	[17:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6897 @ 0.00037983 = 2.6197 BTC [+]	[17:36]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: now that part's very easy, you don't need blocks of time to dick on irc	[17:36]
asciilifeform	a few seconds here and there are enough	[17:36]
nubbins`	sure.	[17:36]
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nubbins`	consider the statement suitably modified	[17:37]
nubbins`	but what i'm saying is that while cutting one's income from a gross of ~$60k to a net of ~$6k necessarily involves severe lifestyle changes	[17:38]
asciilifeform	depends where 6k	[17:38]
nubbins`	it's not at all the grim spectre that all you guys think it is.	[17:38]
nubbins`	location?	[17:38]
nubbins`	my home cost just under a quarter-million for reference.	[17:39]
asciilifeform	6k/yr probably buys you a harem in, e.g., zimbabwe	[17:39]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: lol! 6k would not even pay the tax on such a thing here.	[17:39]
nubbins`	net 6k, i said 8)	[17:39]
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asciilifeform	canuckistan ?	[17:39]
nubbins`	yeah, the socialist paradise. i get hit by a car, they fix me for free	[17:40]
nubbins`	anyway, i fill two empty bedrooms with like-minded individuals with schedules that suit me	[17:40]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: i pay ~700 usd/mo just for some distant approximation of that	[17:40]
nubbins`	mortgage: paid.	[17:40]
nubbins`	my wife and i collectively have to scrounge together about $400 per month to keep this house going	[17:41]
nubbins`	that's two hundred bucks each, per month. $7 a day.	[17:41]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: neat	[17:42]
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nubbins`	i used to make that in 13 minutes at my old job	[17:42]
nubbins`	now it takes me a bit longer	[17:42]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: but to imply that everyone who is not in your position is necessarily a spendthrift who would be a winner but for the 'fatlogic' - is disingenuous	[17:42]
decimation	can do this at bank ? // that's the preferred way to trade at -otc < yes, most us banks will let you deposit anything into one of their accounts, no questions asked	[17:42]
nubbins`	but y'know what? i don't have to lie in bed every morning wondering whether i'll call in sick	[17:42]
decimation	for obvious reasons	[17:43]
nubbins`	asciilifeform far be it from me to say this is a cure-all	[17:43]
asciilifeform	decimation: i can believe this. but then you lose what small protection was provided by the fiat wot	[17:43]
nubbins`	all i'm saying is that one can surprise oneself	[17:43]
asciilifeform	decimation: as in, ability to prove that you paid	[17:43]
decimation	well, you can get a deposit receipt from the bank	[17:43]
asciilifeform	decimation: aha. then usg also has receipt	[17:43]
asciilifeform	decimation: see the clincher ?	[17:43]
ben_vulpes	and that's not a wot, that's a system.	[17:43]
decimation	yes, but not your identity	[17:44]
ben_vulpes	you're not using the wot unless you're trusting your counterparty.	[17:44]
decimation	although it was a large cash transaction I'm sure it would inspire a degree of interest	[17:44]
nubbins`	asciilifeform i sort of gloss over the fact that years of reading "mother earth news" before taking the plunge took most of the edge off it	[17:44]
nubbins`	but hey	[17:44]
nubbins`	what's a young anti-consumerist to do ;/	[17:44]
decimation	banking at any bank is banking with usg	[17:44]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes, decimation: the point that i was trying - and failing - to make, was that a fundamentally fiat-based business arrangement like renting a house from a fella on opposite end of continent who you've never met and never expect to meet, cannot be 'bitcoinized' in the sense of turning you loose from usg financial jail	[17:45]
nubbins`	^	[17:45]
nubbins`	bitcoin all the things	[17:46]
ben_vulpes	well duh it can't be bitcoinized - you don't know him and so cannot trust him.	[17:46]
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asciilifeform	as for the inevitable question of what i must be smoking to have done this at all - it's a consequence of the geography in which i'm trapped (a handful of houses advertised for rent in my price range at any given moment - if that; the most tilted 'seller's market' one could imagine)	[17:46]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes has it	[17:47]
decimation	yeah it could be bitcoinized only in the special case that he is in your wot	[17:47]
nubbins`	ascii where's here, anyway	[17:47]
decimation	even if he was, the landlord has to pay his expenses in usd	[17:47]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: wash., d.c. region; usa.	[17:47]
nubbins`	o, fun	[17:47]
nubbins`	i guess?	[17:47]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: lol	[17:47]
asciilifeform	very 'fun'	[17:47]
nubbins`	heart of the beast	[17:48]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: literally 20 min. away from the classical nsa	[17:48]
nubbins`	i heard it smells like brimstone there	[17:48]
asciilifeform	more like the festering hell in 'hellraiser' than the traditional one	[17:48]
ben_vulpes	concrete and cars everywhere	[17:51]
asciilifeform	well, not here	[17:51]
*	asciilifeform does not live in the city limits	[17:51]
asciilifeform	closer to university of md.	[17:51]
ben_vulpes	classic 'suburbs'?	[17:51]
asciilifeform	aha	[17:51]
asciilifeform	funnily enough, mostly bolivia, salvador, argentina folks here.	[17:52]
ben_vulpes	dead end streets and all?	[17:52]
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ben_vulpes	interesting.	[17:52]
ben_vulpes	why would that be?	[17:52]
asciilifeform	self-fulfilling-loop involving prices	[17:52]
nubbins`	well, if nothing else, i get the scarce rental market thing	[17:53]
punkman	asciilifeform: if punkman had factory in china, would you come rent floor space in bitcoin?	[17:53]
nubbins`	this place was below 1% vacancy for quite a time	[17:53]
decimation	yeah northeast dc is overrun with salvadorians	[17:53]
*	ben_vulpes did not parse the loop construct	[17:53]
nubbins`	my last rental before purchasing had -- literally -- a mold room	[17:53]
asciilifeform	punkman: if i had an income denominated in btc, sure	[17:53]
*	decimation once went to the guatamala v. salvador match in rfk stadium - the entire place was full to the rafters	[17:54]
punkman	asciilifeform: well you'd have to move, so no more usd job	[17:54]
asciilifeform	punkman: i ain't breathing vacuum	[17:54]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: scarce rental market thing << you don't know half of it. virtually unheard of to rent a house here, other than by gigantic groups of immigrants or students living like sardines in can	[17:55]
decimation	actually in most 'modern' us developments it is against the hoa rules to have more than one family - sometimes even roommates - living there	[17:55]
asciilifeform	decimation: aha. this contributes to the scarcity of the overall market	[17:56]
asciilifeform	because individual renting house is almost entirely unheard of	[17:56]
asciilifeform	so i pay a 'weirdo tax'	[17:56]
asciilifeform	as does anybody who does a 'crazy' thing for which the market is ultra-thin	[17:56]
decimation	actually there are plenty of single-payer rentals around your area	[17:56]
decimation	they just pay with usg fiat	[17:56]
asciilifeform	well yes	[17:56]
asciilifeform	everybody pays with fiat	[17:57]
decimation	I mean usg housing allowance	[17:57]
asciilifeform	for free-standing building ?	[17:57]
decimation	oh yeah	[17:57]
asciilifeform	not so common	[17:57]
decimation	read this and be amazed	[17:57]
decimation	http://militarybenefits.info/bah-rates-state/district-of-columbia-dc/	[17:57]
assbot	2015 D.C. BAH (Basic Allowance Housing) Rates by MHA \| Military Benefits ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1peDy )	[17:57]
asciilifeform	aha army officers	[17:57]
decimation	not just officers	[17:58]
decimation	even a lowly E-1 rates $2140 per month with dependents	[17:58]
decimation	as you can imagine, this sets a 'floor' in the market	[17:58]
asciilifeform	and then mircea_popescu asks why these folks don't buy one way tickets and join 'isis'	[17:58]
asciilifeform	because wtf, why.	[17:58]
asciilifeform	they're rolling in the dough.	[17:59]
decimation	I had a friend in the wash dc area that calculated an O3 officer (roughly BS degree plus 5 years experience) makes about $140k in wash dc	[17:59]
asciilifeform	no great surprise.	[17:59]
ben_vulpes	i imagine most of that gets hoovered into rentier pockets.	[18:00]
asciilifeform	this doesn't include private 'consulting' gigs, also, which many of these folks take part in	[18:00]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: of course it does	[18:00]
decimation	ben_vulpes: yes, the deal with the housing is this: you get the full amount I quoted tax free	[18:01]
decimation	whatever you don't spend on housing you pocket	[18:01]
asciilifeform	!	[18:01]
ben_vulpes	rightous.	[18:01]
ben_vulpes	righteous*	[18:01]
decimation	unless you live on base, in which case you get nothing	[18:01]
asciilifeform	this actually explains quite a bit	[18:02]
decimation	maybe mats can confirm if he's around	[18:02]
mats	you get paid to live off base if you're E-5	[18:02]
decimation	the whole business works out to be a backdoor gov't subsidy for the real estate bezzle near bases	[18:02]
mats	folks are encouraged to get married so they can eat fo free	[18:03]
mats	BAH for E-5 iirc is like... 35k alone?	[18:03]
mats	(basic allowance for housing)	[18:03]
mats	might be 20, i never made it to E-5.	[18:03]
asciilifeform	decimation: iirc, usg also automatically buys the house at bezzle-planned rate if you get relocation orders	[18:03]
asciilifeform	further propping up the faux market	[18:03]
decimation	$2286 per month for e5 with family	[18:03]
decimation	yes that's a separate program, but they will buy your house at 'prevailing rates'	[18:04]
decimation	and cover closing costs I think	[18:04]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: buys house they're moving out of or moving into?	[18:04]
decimation	moving out	[18:04]
mats	being an ossifer is good shit if you can live with the job	[18:04]
asciilifeform	out	[18:04]
ben_vulpes	waat	[18:04]
ben_vulpes	w-w-why	[18:04]
asciilifeform	because they move you	[18:04]
decimation	now, I think there are well over 200k of military in your area ascii	[18:04]
decimation	so imagine what that alone does to the local real estate bezzle...	[18:05]
ben_vulpes	oh wait the subsidy is for your mortgage not your rent	[18:05]
asciilifeform	decimation: not only ordinary ones, but heavy on brass	[18:05]
decimation	yeah that's roughly 1/2 to one billion $ per year in your area alone, usg paid rent	[18:06]
asciilifeform	then factor in the 'white men need not apply' subsidized housing from the other half of usg	[18:06]
asciilifeform	and what's left is a very thin slice.	[18:06]
decimation	yes, the section 8-A rent subsidy too	[18:06]
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decimation	well, the better way to think about it is that there are well over $1 bil bidding up the prices	[18:08]
asciilifeform	aha	[18:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00040309 = 3.3053 BTC [+]	[18:08]
decimation	and that's before you count anyone who is trying to live on salary from an employer	[18:08]
asciilifeform	plus the $xxx bil of tax deduction subsidies for the mortgage racket as a class	[18:08]
asciilifeform	(which renters get none whatsoever of)	[18:09]
decimation	yes, that's a massive real estate scam	[18:09]
decimation	the bottom line is that all of this inflates the real estate asset bubble	[18:09]
decimation	which can levitate to whatever degree usg chooses, as long as it keeps these pipes flowing	[18:09]
decimation	asciilifeform: do you have a favorite 'static code analysis' tool? or do you eschew all such automation in favor of 'fits in head'?	[18:11]
asciilifeform	decimation: code analysis ?	[18:11]
asciilifeform	as in 'lint' ?	[18:11]
decimation	for instance, you mentioned the 'cert c' standard yesterday	[18:11]
decimation	I think there are tools sold to evaluate compliance with that standard	[18:11]
asciilifeform	that thing was largely about how to write (or, more correctly, -not to write-) in the first place	[18:11]
asciilifeform	and yes, there are such things. i have no personal experience with them.	[18:12]
decimation	it seems with a pl like ada, it mostly comes 'built-in'	[18:12]
asciilifeform	aha	[18:12]
asciilifeform	built in to a degree that folks who have never seen it, cannot possibly apprehend.	[18:12]
asciilifeform	this is why the 'safe c' experiments never really went anywhere	[18:13]
asciilifeform	because that market is already thoroughly owned by the ada folks	[18:13]
decimation	yeah it seems like a waste of time trying to turn the c-dialect of algol into the ada dialect	[18:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49132 @ 0.00040309 = 19.8046 BTC [+]	[18:13]
asciilifeform	decimation: notice how 'cyclone' never remotely caught on, etc	[18:14]
asciilifeform	because the fate of ugly chimeras is to sit in a circus	[18:14]
asciilifeform	not on the street near respectable people	[18:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22968 @ 0.0004037 = 9.2722 BTC [+] {2}	[18:14]
decimation	asciilifeform: speaking of which: https://github.com/sellout/CL-LLVM	[18:15]
assbot	sellout/CL-LLVM · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1tMcU )	[18:15]
asciilifeform	^ mega-lol	[18:15]
decimation	asciilifeform: or this http://compcert.inria.fr/ < it's a 'formally verified' C compiler	[18:16]
assbot	CompCert - Main page ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1ubw3 )	[18:16]
decimation	I downloaded and used, and found it immediately failed to compile anything that included gnu C extensions	[18:17]
asciilifeform	decimation: i honestly can't say i'm at all interested in 'formally verified' proggy	[18:17]
asciilifeform	(to learn why - see log)	[18:17]
asciilifeform	even if it worked.	[18:17]
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asciilifeform	unlike ada, it is not actually possible to program in c -as standardized-	[18:17]
decimation	yeah I have read. what I don't understand is why anyone would think that the compiler is the weak link in the C software stack	[18:17]
asciilifeform	because ken thompson	[18:18]
decimation	ah, he's one of the new jersey folks?	[18:18]
asciilifeform	everyone obsesses over 'sexy' traps while ignoring rusty old spikes that are everywhere	[18:18]
asciilifeform	decimation: 'reflections on trusting trust'	[18:18]
asciilifeform	!s trusting trust	[18:19]
assbot	10 results for 'trusting trust' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=trusting+trust	[18:19]
cazalla	i think i need a keyboard fitted with a breathalyzer	[18:19]
decimation	yeah you have linked before	[18:19]
asciilifeform	one of the most well-known experiments in the entire field	[18:19]
asciilifeform	i was genuinely floored when learned for the fist time that there are folks using a computer who have never so much as vaguely heard of it	[18:19]
decimation	well, certainly it could be the case that the compiler is untrustworthy, but much higher on my list of concerns is that some combination of new-jersey syscalls I'm using in my code will stab me in the back	[18:21]
asciilifeform	^	[18:21]
asciilifeform	almost guaranteed.	[18:21]
decimation	also the link that ben_vulpes dropped about feynman working at thinking machines was interesting. I didn't know he worked there	[18:24]
asciilifeform	it was his 'last hurrah'	[18:24]
asciilifeform	but iirc all that is publicly known about his work there, is in that piece.	[18:24]
decimation	yeah, it sounded to me like he was mostly helping to 'sell' the machines to academic types	[18:24]
decimation	as in 'sales engineer'	[18:25]
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asciilifeform	iirc not a single such machine sold to anyone but usg or a directly usg-funded org.	[18:25]
asciilifeform	consider also that the 'connection machine' was not usable at all except as an expansion plug-in to a symbolics lispm	[18:25]
asciilifeform	yes, plugged into a jack in the back	[18:26]
decimation	heh that's amusing	[18:26]
danielpbarron	asciilifeform> danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build. << yay! in related news, i got some links from a guy in #olimex who tackled this problem back in 2013; haven't checked it out yet / just got back from stocking up for the impending snow storm	[18:27]
asciilifeform	which problem	[18:28]
danielpbarron	the netbsd ramdisk thing	[18:28]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: the trick is to run nbmake-evbarm from your TOOLS path, rather than nbmake	[18:28]
asciilifeform	this is not documented.	[18:28]
asciilifeform	then ramdisk gets built	[18:29]
asciilifeform	(the default one. still need to cut unnecessary crud from it)	[18:29]
asciilifeform	next problem is how to get it to automatically bake into the kernel .ub image during build.	[18:29]
decimation	lol apple https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=02202015a "Beginning May 1, 2015, new Mac apps and app updates submitted to the Mac App Store may no longer use garbage collection, which was deprecated in OS X Mountain Lion."	[18:30]
assbot	Mac Apps That Use Garbage Collection Must Move to ARC - News and Updates - Apple Developer ... ( http://bit.ly/17FUEBC )	[18:30]
punkman	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/02/accused-british-hacker-wanted-for-crimes-in-us-wont-give-up-crypto-keys/	[18:32]
assbot	Accused British hacker, wanted for crimes in US, won’t give up crypto keys \| Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/17FV9LU )	[18:32]
nubbins`	re: ramdisk awwwwww yeah!	[18:38]
nubbins`	asciilifeform this'll work on purple and blue units, yeah?	[18:39]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: in principle	[18:39]
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asciilifeform	nubbins`: i'll just have it probe (and if doesn't find blockchain, format) the largest mass storage device found at boot	[18:40]
asciilifeform	on whatever interface	[18:40]
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asciilifeform	in the purple unit, that'll necessarily be a usb drive	[18:40]
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asciilifeform	on black pogo4 (what i have) - sata	[18:41]
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nubbins`	nod	[18:41]
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ben_vulpes	hola trinque	[18:42]
asciilifeform	incidentally	[18:42]
asciilifeform	there's no reason why we can't do an x86 build of this	[18:42]
asciilifeform	'bitcoinbios'	[18:42]
asciilifeform	rom-able a la 'corebios' (formerly 'linuxbios')	[18:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10382 @ 0.00041302 = 4.288 BTC [+] {3}	[18:44]
danielpbarron	s/black/purple/ they are both black; one has blue logo, other has purple logo, which is removed with the cap that covers sata port	[18:44]
asciilifeform	for some reason i thought the question was about the 'pink pogo'	[18:45]
asciilifeform	which has a somewhat different shape, and no sata port	[18:45]
asciilifeform	it also (curiously) costs more	[18:45]
asciilifeform	but is more widely available	[18:46]
fluffypony	decimation: I don't get what's lol about that, .NET faces the same issue (as have many high-level abstractions / languages), whereby trying to force GC collections or modify GC behaviour invariably ends up being messy. Frankly, handing off to a reference counting system is way, way better than GC bullshit.	[18:47]
fluffypony	also their transition doc has a 2013 timestamp, so if developers have taken 2 years to cotton on to changes then wtf, they should choose a different career	[18:48]
fluffypony	API stability != complete API freeze forever, and the same goes for patterns and practices	[18:48]
asciilifeform	ahahaha no.	[18:48]
asciilifeform	fuck centrally imposed 'practices'	[18:49]
fluffypony	yes, let's all decentralise all of the things	[18:49]
fluffypony	fuck off	[18:49]
asciilifeform	i routinely build code from 20 yrs ago.	[18:49]
asciilifeform	and it runs.	[18:49]
fluffypony	you're amazing, asciilifeform	[18:49]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[18:49]
fluffypony	but your rhetoric is boring	[18:49]
asciilifeform	now it isn't on c/unix. that'd require magic tough	[18:49]
fluffypony	and your reliance on ancient is overdone	[18:49]
fluffypony	we get it	[18:49]
fluffypony	old is good, new is bad	[18:50]
fluffypony	but not all new is bad.	[18:50]
fluffypony	get over it.	[18:50]
asciilifeform	new can be a pleasure if done for some actual reason and not because a monkey changed the label on a knob	[18:50]
asciilifeform	requiring everyone to drop everything and 'get into compliance'	[18:50]
fluffypony	sure, GC -> ARC is changing the label on a knob	[18:50]
fluffypony	Apple is bad, Android is good	[18:50]
fluffypony	but GWBASIC is best.	[18:50]
fluffypony	etc. etc.	[18:51]
asciilifeform	gwbasic lol	[18:51]
fluffypony	the circlejerk gets old after a while	[18:51]
asciilifeform	android works in much the same way as apple's regime, iirc	[18:51]
*	asciilifeform not involved with either, cannot say for certain	[18:51]
asciilifeform	fluffypony: i can easily see how you might have arrived at this, but you must be ~111th one in a row to think that i like 'old' for sake of old	[18:53]
fluffypony	it was directed generally, not at you specifically	[18:54]
asciilifeform	but this is actually a popular hate mail subject	[18:54]
fluffypony	the rejection of every abstraction, every high-level language, simply because it makes things slightly easier	[18:54]
fluffypony	at the cost of X	[18:54]
asciilifeform	fluffypony: my particular favourite language (cl) is as high level as it gets.	[18:54]
asciilifeform	(short of chimeras in the vein of 'prolog' where anything you cook up is likely to be asking machine np-complete questions)	[18:55]
punkman	fluffypony: don't tell us you love systemd now :P	[18:59]
fluffypony	hah	[19:00]
asciilifeform	now, i get it, damn-near everybody is stuck in his particular gulag. fluffypony, it appears, is sitting in barrack where what-happens-in-apple-os-matters. i'm in one where they use weird zimbabwe money. etc. but being in jail doesn't mean you have to -like- it and deny the existence of outside.	[19:01]
*	fluffypony loves Zimbabwe	[19:02]
fluffypony	pity about their moneyh	[19:02]
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decimation	fluffypony: what about rhodesia?	[19:08]
decimation	my original 'lol' was because I see 'centrally imposed' memory management as worse than garbage collection	[19:09]
decimation	but it is understandable why apple would want it on their c-machines	[19:09]
fluffypony	my mum was born in the then-christened Rhodesia	[19:09]
asciilifeform	the 'centrally imposed' i was speaking of was the 'apple says -shit-, devs answer -what colour-' one	[19:09]
fluffypony	ah well	[19:09]
*	fluffypony mehs	[19:10]
fluffypony	Linux is centrally controlled	[19:10]
decimation	the kernel is, yes	[19:10]
fluffypony	Linux says -shit-, everyone answers -what colour-	[19:10]
fluffypony	yes	[19:10]
decimation	userland is trying to usurp it	[19:10]
asciilifeform	but how often linus commands 'shit'	[19:10]
asciilifeform	last time was in the 2.4 - 2.6 transition, really	[19:10]
decimation	he's getting kinda old and tired frankly	[19:10]
fluffypony	so Apple is saying -shit- about a language, and fuck, it's their language (inasmuch as they're the only ones still using it)	[19:11]
danielpbarron	my portugese speaking american samoan born connecticut raised friend apparently had an aunt that owned land in rodesia (phew what a mouth full)	[19:11]
decimation	fluffypony: apple has been pulling this kind of thing for decades	[19:11]
fluffypony	decimation: so it doesn't affect non-Apple-users	[19:11]
decimation	the world's greatest thing that solves all the problems becomes the 'deprecated feature' 3 years later	[19:11]
fluffypony	or non-Apple-developers	[19:11]
fluffypony	and the hate circlejerk is boring	[19:11]
decimation	fluffypony: well, no	[19:11]
fluffypony	hey I know, let's complain about how Coinbase is ruining Bitcoin with their centralisation!	[19:12]
fluffypony	that's not been done, right?	[19:12]
asciilifeform	l0l	[19:12]
decimation	it's an interesting specimen for folks to study	[19:12]
fluffypony	it's fucking boring	[19:12]
asciilifeform	fluffypony: the pill against coinbase is precisely the same as the one against apple: 'don't do it'	[19:12]
fluffypony	asciilifeform: precisely, but everyone in this room already knows	[19:13]
fluffypony	it becomes a circlejerk when "preaching to the choir" devolves, and here we are	[19:14]
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ben_vulpes	fluffypony: don't disturb the cult!	[19:27]
ben_vulpes	we must all sing in harmony.	[19:27]
ben_vulpes	shun the nonbeliever.	[19:27]
*	decimation wishes to shun nobody, but is somewhat mystified about how to discern between tidbits of data that relate to long-running discussions and 'boring' 'preaching to the choir'	[19:30]
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ben_vulpes	dude ruby what the ever loving fuck	[19:47]
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ben_vulpes	i am tempted to make a vm for this ruby project.	[19:48]
ben_vulpes	because seriously sudo install libs to system?	[19:49]
ben_vulpes	fuck off!	[19:49]
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asciilifeform	in other news,	[19:50]
asciilifeform	netbsd on pogo.	[19:50]
asciilifeform	with arbitrary whatever in ramdisk.	[19:50]
mats	http://www.devopsbookmarks.com	[19:51]
assbot	DevOps Bookmarks ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxhcGn )	[19:51]
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danielpbarron	i'm still trying to get that to work	[19:53]
decimation	asciilifeform: does this mean you installed on the pogo's nand flash?	[19:55]
*	nubbins` prepares to cheer	[19:59]
nubbins`	apple? best bsd box i ever owned	[19:59]
*	nubbins` cackles shrilly	[19:59]
nubbins`	hm	[20:00]
nubbins`	shrillishly?	[20:00]
nubbins`	shrillly definitely isn't right	[20:00]
ben_vulpes	neat, mats	[20:06]
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decimation	jurov: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/01/greg_page_on_fo.html < related	[20:09]
assbot	" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxjmWw )	[20:09]
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mats	convention for fake food huh	[20:10]
ben_vulpes	decimation: thanks for the econtalk recommendation	[20:11]
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decimation	yeah, the next episode he interviews taleb on gmos	[20:13]
decimation	actually the cargill guy was not super-pro gmo	[20:13]
decimation	I didn't even know cargill was the biggest private company in the us	[20:14]
decimation	"Guest: One, we could feed the world without GMOs; there are other practices that we could follow. So the idea that we are prisoners of this technology I think is something that should be dispelled. On the other hand, I don't think we should try that. I think if our water is precious, if our topsoil is precious, if we really care about the hydrocarbon footprint that we have in terms of the amount of cultivation that we need to carry	[20:14]
decimation	out, that we should think very carefully about eliminating or demonizing genetic engineering."	[20:14]
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danielpbarron	asciilifeform, is this the same documentation you've been looking at? -> http://www.netbsd.org/docs/kernel/porting_netbsd_arm_soc.html	[20:18]
assbot	NetBSD Documentation: Porting NetBSD to a new ARM SoC ... ( http://bit.ly/17mdhuC )	[20:18]
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ben_vulpes	[] it's really not hard to block. but domestic isps = blockheads. << hurr durr	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	aha ?	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	you threatenin me ?!	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	in other news, car upskirt http://40.media.tumblr.com/13e662976dbcb63c57b5183056a60fc4/tumblr_n9f219yd4L1rx7eu1o1_1280.jpg	[21:00]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/17mgYjJ )	[21:00]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build. << o hey wd. what was the catch ?	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	nubbins`: why do i get the impression [...] << because you're an asshole. just like me.	[21:04]
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ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: just appreciating the pun	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	hehe	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	i need tp for my punhole.	[21:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00045029 = 15.2198 BTC [+]	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: what's the equivalent of the 'stop gluttony and exercise' here << start dating whores.	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes: now thats tears. << i met a chick that quit her previous job, is learning to program in html nao.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	but it's kinda complicated.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	nubbins`: you know i took a ninety per cent pay cut two years ago? << you actually made money at some point ?!	[21:09]
jurov	mircea_popescu: with due respect, are you sure asciilifeform can attract any federal-level whore?	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	but this is a quantitative discussion and he was making a qualitative challenge	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	"what type of thing".	[21:10]
jurov	you too mentioned obama daughters and so explicitly	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	inasmuch as i understand it, his chief complaint was, "no criminal empire footprint". easiest way to get into that, from memory, is dating the whores.	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	most common, of course, is spending some time in jail, but hey.	[21:11]
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*	jurov just remembered how it woks among fags. yes, mircea is right	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	nubbins`: what's a young anti-consumerist to do ;/ << shit look at that, "mother earth news" is actually a thing.	[21:19]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: good for her?	[21:19]
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ben_vulpes	kinda curious about the complexity	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	you know, for a cult this chan is one of the most diverse places in the world.	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes direct quote. "but it's kinda complex"	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	i explained a little about the difference between imperative and notation, i think she got the gist.	[21:20]
ben_vulpes	hah yeah i mean you have to learn 3 different chodes at the same time	[21:20]
ben_vulpes	html, css and js	[21:20]
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mircea_popescu	js is sort-of imperative i guess.	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	kinda like c pigdin neh ?	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	but otherwise the css/html difference is not unlike the "food division" and "detergent division" difference at unilever.	[21:22]
mats	http://i.imgur.com/PeOkDNJ.jpg	[21:22]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/17mj2Z7 )	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	not bad but why teh panties!	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	http://33.media.tumblr.com/a95259be42394afc640ab15ac6586113/tumblr_n7es4w3GnH1sgp77yo1_400.gif	[21:23]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/17mj96T )	[21:23]
ben_vulpes	fish move	[21:25]
*	mats adds cattle prod to purchase list	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	stop objectifying women.	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	it's a cuntprod.	[21:26]
ben_vulpes	cunts are objects too	[21:27]
thestringpuller	that's hawt	[21:27]
thestringpuller	i can't stop watching this gif	[21:27]
mats	as a boy i found a guide for modifying a disposable camera into a single-use taser	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: this actually explains quite a bit << why did you think the pentagon spends so much.	[21:28]
mats	i used it on my buddy and he shit himself. one of my fonder memories of childhood.	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	mats the flash ?	[21:28]
mats	ever since, i've wanted to buy a taser, but modern things have tags now	[21:28]
mats	yeah	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	you can basically build a taser out of a battery and a capacitor	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	whioch means, "Any old tv set"	[21:29]
ben_vulpes	conveniently packaged in disposable cameras!	[21:29]
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mats	i've never given any thought to building one	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	mats: folks are encouraged to get married so they can eat fo free << which is how the dependopopotami are born. "i don't care about the chick but i gotta be married for money so w/e"	[21:30]
mats	although its a reasonable segue into building other toys ... like shock gloves for bum fights	[21:30]
thestringpuller	lol shock gloves!	[21:30]
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mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/YHMjGGf.jpg	[21:31]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1B2jRnq )	[21:31]
thestringpuller	mats: http://www.adultswim.com/videos/the-boondocks/the-black-power-fist/	[21:31]
mats	ya i know	[21:31]
mats	i'm a fan	[21:31]
thestringpuller	mats: mah nigga	[21:32]
mats	i'm yellow on the outside and black on the inside	[21:32]
thestringpuller	Hahaha	[21:32]
thestringpuller	chocolate twinkie?	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	"tricare, formerly known as chump-us"	[21:33]
mats	i've been on the search my whole life for a proper descriptor	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	mats you mean yellow as in azn ?	[21:33]
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mats	yes. surprise!	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	do you agree with that fat fag's evaluation that no women ever date azns ?	[21:34]
mats	uh	[21:34]
mats	no	[21:34]
mats	certainly, asians are undersexualized in e.g. US media, but i haven't had problems picking up white women	[21:35]
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mircea_popescu	myeah. BUT HE HAD STATISTICS	[21:35]
thestringpuller	what's with the US and the pursuit of bwg (basic white girl)?	[21:36]
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mircea_popescu	thestringpuller if you look at the demos, it's the most common item on menu.	[21:36]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: over there with all the brazillian hotties.	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	like salmon at the seafood restaurant	[21:36]
thestringpuller	most highly sexual girls I've met spoke portuguese as a first language	[21:37]
mats	i prefer 'bwg' over 'abg' (asian baby girl)	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	i think anyone under 55 or so does.	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	i don't think*	[21:38]
mats	!ud ABG	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	or wait. no, it was right the first time	[21:38]
mats	;;ud ABG	[21:39]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ABG \| An acronym for an "aznbbygirl" meaning an asian female gangster. ABG's like to hang with gangsters and wear thin (slutty) clothing. They like to ju...	[21:39]
thestringpuller	aren't ABG's over sexualized?	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	gangster ?!	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	somebody was having a tough time in class.	[21:40]
mats	thestringpuller: hows that?	[21:42]
mats	maybe we're exposed to different media, but i don't see it	[21:42]
thestringpuller	ah, always thinking of the ABG's in high school/early college who would hang out with negros	[21:43]
thestringpuller	lots of make up, skimpy clothes	[21:43]
thestringpuller	"rumors" from the guys (note how I said "rumors")	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	aren't skimpy/no clothes mandatory in college anyway ?	[21:45]
mats	i mean, asian women are hypersexualized in p much the same way as black dudes in media	[21:45]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: although it is the most common item on the menu, there is still some "allure" as a minority "banging one out"	[21:46]
mats	i've read a few things here and there about 'the white man's asian fetish' and 'the hyper-femininity of the asian woman'	[21:46]
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mircea_popescu	i dunno... i kinda aren't attracted to other types, by and large. i assume it's similar across cultures.	[21:47]
thestringpuller	i guess the media portrayal of the sorority bwg places a false imagination	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	where's this depicted in media ?	[21:50]
thestringpuller	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_Breakers << stuff like this	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	but this is specific softcore/exploitation. in comes in all color schemes neh ?	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	i guess for black girls it's mostly rap videos and derivative material.	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	grossed 30mn over a 5mn budget. not exactly a killer anyway.	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	"I cannot speak to the contents," he told Ars via online chat. "Except that they are mine. This is the only salient detail as far as I'm concerned. I am not on trial, nor is my data, and I am under no obligation to speak for it. But my property is being withheld from me, and that must be justified. The current justification is due to the inability of the NCA to understand certain data. It remains for them to establish	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	why this is my problem and for the court to decide if this gives them authority to convert chattel."	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	ha! this Lauri Love dude got it right.	[21:55]
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mircea_popescu	"As a matter of policy, we generally do not comment on extradition-related matters."	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	herp. as if fucking policy matters.	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	"as a matter of policy, we don't comment on rape cases" should be the new rape trial defense.	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	because POLICY. it's a reason now.	[21:56]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: i guess for black girls it's mostly rap videos << hmm perhaps American media just blinds one to the broader cultural spectrum	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	"You have no idea how much we can fuck with the US government if we wanted to," Love told a hacking colleague in one exchange over Internet relay chat, prosecutors alleged. "This... stuff is really sensitive. It's basically every piece of information you'd need to do full identity theft on any employee or contractor" for the hacked agency.	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	this, for the record, is exactly correct.	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	any single usg employee's security, in all respects, continues at the MERCY of unidentified party. in no sense and in no manner does it flow from usg-anything.	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	you're still there, your house is still there, your family is still there because we can't be bothered to take them away. that's all.	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony: Frankly, handing off to a reference counting system <<< "One day a student came to Moon and said: I understand how to make a better garbage collector. We must keep a reference count of the pointers to each cons. Moon patiently told the student the following story: One day a student came to Moon and said: I understand how to make a better garbage collector..."	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	but sure, it'd be great if it worked.	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	wow lol, that log bit got pretty intense huh.	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: now, i get it, damn-near everybody is stuck in his particular gulag. << hey, you made your bed for yourself here :D lie in it! he can't get out because he can't get out, what more do you want ? :D	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: but how often linus commands 'shit' << an argument of an entirely different consistency hehehe	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	man i miss out on the best logs.	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	http://40.media.tumblr.com/9af3649f763191c778bc1eee6fbf4909/tumblr_ngzbtp8QvJ1trst71o1_400.jpg << this is an illustration on the fertile juicy ideas i miss out on and so forth.	[22:07]
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asciilifeform	l0l!	[22:07]
asciilifeform	^ that looks industrial	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	http://41.media.tumblr.com/3061dc1244af510c2168542c45f1943c/tumblr_ngijxgsWZ51tk0hzgo1_500.jpg urinal to go with industrial.	[22:08]
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mircea_popescu	decimation: he's getting kinda old and tired frankly << yeah we should have a linus retierment betting pool	[22:08]
asciilifeform	most common, of course, is spending some time in jail, but hey << workin' on that	[22:08]
asciilifeform	at least jail's free (for now)	[22:09]
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mircea_popescu	only if you go there lawfully. otherwise you have to pay.	[22:09]
asciilifeform	disposable camera into a single-use taser << why single use. charge cap again, again. who here -hasn't- done this?!	[22:10]
asciilifeform	battery and a capacitor << mircea_popescu has it	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	no i don't. i used to, but then my mother threw a shitfit once she realised why her aunt's entire chicken population was dizzy	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	so they BURIED IT. somewhere. i was in the fucking sticks. couldn't get another one for coupla weeks, until back to town, at which point...	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	no chickens.	[22:11]
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asciilifeform	!b 7	[22:12]
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mircea_popescu	decimation: out, that we should think very carefully about eliminating or demonizing genetic engineering." << to a large degree, the debate is sorely misstated. nobody is seriously discussing "genetic engineering". what's being discussed is, "let's make random combinations of genetic material we do not at all understand and see what happens. this will necessarily result in novel/ununderstood proteins and other hydrocar	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	bons being synthetised. the plan kingdom is, historically, the largest producer of poisons on the planet and to a large degree a controller of animal population counts and animal species survival rates, which is why you even need a liver in the first place - notice that your imune system doens't REALLY have an organ (thymus, w/e)." this is not "genetic engineering", this is chromogambling.	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	and yes i typed all that in the box!	[22:17]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/9af3649f763191c778bc1eee6fbf4909/tumblr_ngzbtp8QvJ1trst71o1_400.jpg << hood nigga's dream	[22:18]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: by and large, nothing interesting (not even new poison!) happens if you mutate at random.	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	i can readily live with a complete demonization of chromogambling. it would not do anything, in my head, to either engineering or genetics.	[22:18]
thestringpuller	I wish I was one of those black guys :(	[22:18]
asciilifeform	that style of 'engineering' is 1940s state of the art	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the substantial difference between ENGINEERING and GAMBLING is important here	[22:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.0004196 = 3.7135 BTC [-]	[22:18]
asciilifeform	when folks would 'let that thing eat gamma until almost dead, then plant it'	[22:18]
asciilifeform	who and where is still doing this, i cannot say	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	how do you think the gmo stuff is made ? same principle, different lego blocks	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller why ? and if so, join some swinger's club.	[22:19]
asciilifeform	nope.	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	do tell.	[22:20]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: why? << Maybe subconciously I fetishize white girls? I honestly don't know.	[22:20]
asciilifeform	not same principle. snippets of synthetic nucleic acid are used, it goes (or more often, doesn't..) to a specific place, there is a (usually bad) protein model to predict effect, etc.	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller move to wash dc, put up craigslist "Black man looking to humiliate married white women. Husband may be included.". watch how you make more money than alf.	[22:21]
asciilifeform	by and large none of it works	[22:21]
asciilifeform	roi - terrible	[22:21]
asciilifeform	that's the 'big secret', really	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i suppose a better framed debate would then be this exactly, as above. "is this engineering or is it just dumbery"	[22:22]
asciilifeform	it's approximately how software 'engineering' is done now	[22:22]
asciilifeform	check back on it in a decade, they'll look rather similar	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	to nobody's credit.	[22:22]
asciilifeform	these two 'engineerings'	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	at least software has the excuse it takes any retarded kid.	[22:22]
asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/?p=41 << obligatory	[22:22]
assbot	Loper OS » The Future of Programming: Ignorance and Superstition? ... ( http://bit.ly/1D43ZhM )	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller http://41.media.tumblr.com/b0bf3a6a3f32fa7cbfc6bbf1c5e7c652/tumblr_nihqzq4vJ41t33m1bo1_500.jpg prepping of same, jus fer ya.	[22:23]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1D440lX )	[22:23]
asciilifeform	any single usg employee's security, in all respects, continues at the MERCY of unidentified party. in no sense and in no manner does it flow from usg-anything << to be fair, the very reason why 'identity theft' is a real problem for anybody is usg	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	orly ?	[22:23]
asciilifeform	aha	[22:23]
asciilifeform	why is it possible to borrow $maxint in mr. chump's name without his pgp key	[22:24]
asciilifeform	- usg.	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	you know you WILL end up having to come up with "the only reason sun raises in the morning is usg" at some point	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	the way you're going.	[22:24]
asciilifeform	l0l	[22:24]
asciilifeform	how is the above picture mistaken	[22:24]
asciilifeform	?	[22:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.0003831 = 13.3702 BTC [-] {3}	[22:24]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-02-2015#1009868 << see also	[22:24]
assbot	Logged on 06-02-2015 03:02:19; *: asciilifeform once worked with a nearly-penniless foreign postdoc whose departure from usa was hastened by some bureaucrat (who handled his papers) deciding to... buy a house in his name	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	it holds the same logical strength as "the very reason why 'identity theft' is a real problem for anybody is that women are whores"	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	there may be some relation even, and some factuality to the claim and existence to the group. nevertheless...	[22:25]
asciilifeform	is it possible for someone to steal the identity of mircea_popescu? if not, why not ?	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	depends where.	[22:25]
asciilifeform	anywhere it matters	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	im sure all sorts of romanian kids claim to know me for their own circle ?	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	im sure all sorts of adults tell stories that happened to me as if - them.	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	etc.	[22:26]
asciilifeform	but none of this is so much as a mild annoyance in Castle Mircea_popescustein proper	[22:26]
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mircea_popescu	sooo ?	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	http://38.media.tumblr.com/09a98729739cc9ed4b2a28e9988ba91f/tumblr_nepprjHYH01u2qk73o1_400.gif << helping thestringpuller work productively, one gif at a time.	[22:27]
*	assbot gives voice to Pierre_Rochard	[22:27]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1B1N3JN )	[22:27]
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asciilifeform	sooo >> usg could mandate pgp for letters of credit just as easily as it mandates the garbage we see today	[22:28]
asciilifeform	but doesn't	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	how do you know this /	[22:28]
asciilifeform	?	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	could the roman empire have mandated its legions wear the fucking scutum, pilum and thorax ?	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	"ow but your majesty, shit's heavy"	[22:29]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu suggests that such an order would not be obeyed? probably true	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	i merely am pointing out that your jumps go over lenghty stretches of weak bridging	[22:29]
asciilifeform	interestingly, hitler's 'table talk' contains a few instances of whining that he'd like xxxxx but the orders don't get carried out	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	what, by 1945 there's nothing BUT that.	[22:30]
asciilifeform	well yes	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	das war ein befehl!	[22:30]
asciilifeform	but long prior	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	wer sind sie eigentlich, dass sie einen befehl, den ich gebe, zu missachten wagen!!??!?!!!?! etc	[22:31]
asciilifeform	l0l	[22:31]
thestringpuller	"U.S. NIH spends ~30b annually to found research. However, many resulting papers are NOT repeatable In my merely 8 years experience in academia, I believe >50% papers are not repeatable especially those claiming therapeutic effects.	[22:31]
asciilifeform	^ anyone -not- recognize source ?	[22:31]
thestringpuller	We all know the reason : Disproving or confirming others finding won't get you very far in a scientific career. One needs to have novel finding to get published in Nature , Cell or Science, which are powerful tickets for next round of NIH funding. Because research resources are scarce, no scientists can survive by examining others papers. Therefore, faking a cute and novel discovery is effective to survive the academia with min	[22:31]
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mircea_popescu	thestringpuller incidentally, exactly how teh neanderthal got wiped out.	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	cro cutegnon.	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	"There are no homeopathic automobile repair shops, that try to repair your car by putting inﬁnitesimal dilutions of rust in the gas tank. There are no automotive faith healers, who lay their hands on the hood and pray."	[22:39]
asciilifeform	^ true at time of writing	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	this, fwiw, is patently false. even now is being advertised a device which, iof placed on tank, will make the car not use fuel.	[22:39]
cazalla	http://qntra.net/2015/02/micon-details-the-operational-security-concerns-of-seals-with-clubs/	[22:39]
assbot	Micon Details The Operational Security Concerns Of Seals With Clubs \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1Orft )	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	and always was there.	[22:40]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i do recall this, now that you mentioned it	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	cazalla fwiw, exactly nothing in ro press re voxility srl.	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	http://www.listafirme.ro/voxility-srl-16633718/ reg if you care.	[22:42]
assbot	SC VOXILITY SRL din Sectorul 2 Bdul. Dimitrie Pompei 9-9a, CUI 16633718 ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1ONmo )	[22:42]
cazalla	seems a bit suss he would say he is unsure what happened with the servers but is already moving forward to relaunch	[22:43]
cazalla	prob has an idea but he didn't speculate further anyway	[22:44]
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mircea_popescu	http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/10/kerouacs_on_the_road.html << did i say what a fucking great review this is ?	[22:50]
assbot	The Last Psychiatrist: Kerouac's On The Road: The 50th Anniversary Of A Book I Had Not Read ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1PITO )	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	The entire spirit of the book can be summarized by Dean's words: "Sal, think of it, we'll dig Denver together...!" That's what a man who is trying to con a woman into running off with him would say. Denver, really?? Really? Why? Because it starts with D? I'd at least momentarily entertain the theory that D cities are great places to get to, but the real reason he wants to get to Denver, or anywhere else, is preci	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	sely because the longer he stays in any one place, the better chance he'll be discovered to be a loser. Time to go where the grass is greener, somewhere people don't know you're there to crap on it.	[22:50]
*	asciilifeform realized that he built the fscking netbsd -installer- into the eeprom	[22:56]
*	asciilifeform proceeded to stuff in a drive and... fire it	[22:56]
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asciilifeform	(why do i need a conventional install? because want to test my attempt at driver for the nand as a kernel mod)	[23:03]
asciilifeform	having actual support for the nand would make it possible to eliminate the 'ramdisk' and shave a few MB off the memory footprint.	[23:03]
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*	asciilifeform read that tlp article, wakes up to having known precisely the type of animal described therein - in real life	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	sure. plenty of 'em.	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	also, http://36.media.tumblr.com/bfa63b6cf8c53c33b9e16d08daf87fc6/tumblr_n13pnwgaX41rdc5oto8_1280.jpg	[23:09]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1z7LNit )	[23:09]
trinque	I might've gotten past the first chapter of that book	[23:09]
trinque	certainly not the second	[23:09]
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asciilifeform	butugychag.	[23:10]
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mike_c	cazalla: http://pastebin.com/sQzqvV4F	[23:18]
assbot	(several um's, uh's, you knows, removed) Hello the internet. Bryan Micon her - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1SxnV )	[23:18]
cazalla	mike_c, did you transcribe that?	[23:18]
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decimation	asciilifeform: so you are still using the u-boot copy-to-ramdisk method if you don't have a driver for the eeprom?	[23:20]
asciilifeform	decimation: at the moment, yes	[23:20]
decimation	ah, still it's neat that you got it working	[23:21]
asciilifeform	decimation: i forget if mentioned earlier: got the whole build to work	[23:21]
asciilifeform	for what it's worth	[23:21]
decimation	yeah you mentioned	[23:21]
*	decimation find this to be a good reason to buy a pogo and play along	[23:22]
danielpbarron	how can i repeat this? i'm stuck on your last tip about something in a TOOLS directory	[23:23]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: i will post a patch to the netbsd src tree	[23:23]
asciilifeform	that results in a netbsd.ub which can be used straight	[23:23]
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asciilifeform	basically, used like this,	[23:24]
asciilifeform	flash_erase /dev/mtd4 0 0	[23:24]
asciilifeform	nandwrite -p /dev/mtd4 netbsd.ub	[23:24]
asciilifeform	fw_setenv boot_bsd 'nand read.e 0x800000 0x1000000 0xc00000; bootm 0x800000'	[23:24]
asciilifeform	then you halt uboot on the next powerup and 'run boot_bsd'	[23:24]
asciilifeform	(for manual testing, can make this default behaviour if want)	[23:24]
asciilifeform	the 0xc00000 is a round number here, you want it to encompass your binary's size	[23:25]
asciilifeform	(i just eyeballed it)	[23:25]
danielpbarron	is halting uboot something i'd need the serial thing for?	[23:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32450 @ 0.0004097 = 13.2948 BTC [+]	[23:25]
asciilifeform	ideally	[23:26]
asciilifeform	unless you have it configured to do the udp console thing	[23:26]
*	asciilifeform forgot that not everyone's pogo has the serial jack	[23:26]
decimation	asciilifeform: it would go nicely with an old-timey ibm serial terminal :)	[23:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12687 @ 0.0004097 = 5.1979 BTC [+]	[23:28]
asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/pub/piece_of_shit.tar.gz	[23:29]
asciilifeform	^^^^^^	[23:29]
asciilifeform	i will not sign this. if it annihilates your home planet, i am not responsible.	[23:29]
asciilifeform	use as described above. will boot into a netbsd installer.	[23:29]
asciilifeform	can find binary sets for arm at http://ftp.twaren.net/NetBSD/NetBSD-6.1.5/evbarm/binary/sets or your local sets build	[23:30]
assbot	Index of /NetBSD/NetBSD-6.1.5/evbarm/binary/sets ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1TCfk )	[23:30]
asciilifeform	(throw it up on ftp on your own box)	[23:30]
asciilifeform	the only conceivable use of the above sample is to demonstrate that netbsd will function correctly on 'pogo'.	[23:30]
asciilifeform	and possibly in case someone wishes to install on larger disk and boot from it, for purposes of dev work.	[23:31]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes, mod6, jurov, mircea_popescu, et al ^^^	[23:32]
mike_c	cazalla: yeah. i hate watching videos. figured i'd spare others the pain.	[23:32]
asciilifeform	i have demonstrated that netbsd kernel (of my custom trimmed build) will correctly init the periphs on pogo	[23:32]
asciilifeform	for whatever that's worth.	[23:32]
asciilifeform	will post patch set once i can be bothered to crap one out	[23:33]
cazalla	mike_c, k thanks, i tossed it into the article in blockquotes	[23:33]
asciilifeform	i possibly ought to discuss the constants	[23:33]
asciilifeform	the 0x1000000 is the offset of the default mtd4 eeprom partition	[23:34]
asciilifeform	if you monkeyed with your pogo's mtd mappings, you will have to recalculate	[23:34]
asciilifeform	(the value is simply the sum of the lengths of mtd0..3, naturally, and these numbers are available in the uboot console if that's all you've got)	[23:34]
asciilifeform	incidentally it is possible to write the eeprom from uboot (you gotta pump in the new payloads via tftp in that case, but you save time by not needing to wait for an os - such as the terrifying bloat of systemdized-archlinux - to load)	[23:35]
asciilifeform	0x800000 - if it wasn't obvious - is where uboot parks the kernel prior to jumping in	[23:37]
asciilifeform	don't change.	[23:37]
asciilifeform	that's really all.	[23:37]
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asciilifeform	'NetBSD: running on a dead squirrel in a cardboard box since '03'	[23:40]
asciilifeform	(srsly, there is an 'atari' port.)	[23:41]
asciilifeform	1ad4391c46ab3520e9aaf8dce2d48d4788fd3752e93c70fabf0dc66f770628d835e764855ab933905a4152524b100358c82b27ca0471a77af02836740e9c41be piece_of_shit.tar.gz	[23:41]
asciilifeform	(sha512)	[23:41]
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danielpbarron	can i ssh into this thing?	[23:44]
asciilifeform	nope	[23:44]
asciilifeform	bare bones.	[23:44]
asciilifeform	once you actually install netbsd with it on something else - sure	[23:45]
asciilifeform	posted here mainly as proof of concept.	[23:45]
asciilifeform	and everybody who is seriously dealing with this stuff ought to have at least one 'pogo' with serial jack.	[23:46]
mats	http://youtu.be/xN-DNcqYUcY	[23:47]
assbot	primus shake hands with beef - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fcckjg )	[23:47]
danielpbarron	what would you advise that i purchase?	[23:47]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: a CP2102 or equivalent	[23:48]
asciilifeform	and, if you don't own one: soldering iron...	[23:49]
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asciilifeform	http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/attachment/wiki/Hardware/CP210xTutorial/cp2102.jpg	[23:49]
asciilifeform	^ it	[23:49]
assbot	cp2102.jpg on Hardware/CP210xTutorial – Attachment	[23:49]
asciilifeform	ubiquitous. should cost no more than a few bux	[23:50]
asciilifeform	plug into linux box, you get a /dev/ttyUSBx	[23:50]
asciilifeform	and ttl logic rx and tx on the other end of the hose.	[23:50]
asciilifeform	set to 115200 baud.	[23:50]
asciilifeform	(theoretically, default, don't have to set. but if your favourite term emu makes you set - then above)	[23:51]
*	asciilifeform uses 'gnu screen'	[23:51]
danielpbarron	http://www.amazon.com/KEDSUM%C2%AE-CP2102-Module-Download-Converter/dp/B009T2ZR6W/ will this do?	[23:51]
assbot	Amazon.com: KEDSUM® CP2102 Module STC Download Cable USB 2.0 to TTL 6PIN Serial Converter For STC: Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1B1Vwws )	[23:51]
asciilifeform	aha	[23:52]
asciilifeform	even appears to come with wires	[23:52]
danielpbarron	there was a cheaper one, but this one has more reviews	[23:52]
asciilifeform	behead'em and solder as pictured	[23:52]
asciilifeform	in earlier thread	[23:52]
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asciilifeform	you need three leads, tx, rx, ground	[23:52]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31425 @ 0.00041688 = 13.1005 BTC [+]	[23:55]
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danielpbarron	http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009GXEF8A/ << this one might not need soldering?	[23:55]
assbot	Amazon.com: NooElec PL2303 USB to Serial (TTL) Module/Adapter with Female and Male Wiring Harnesses & Test Jumper. Compatible with Windows 98 through Windows 7; Mac OS 8 through OS X, Linux and Android!: Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fcekbo )	[23:55]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: -any- of them will need soldering	[23:55]
asciilifeform	because there is no connector inside the 'pogo'.	[23:56]
asciilifeform	only bare pads.	[23:56]
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asciilifeform	they omitted it to save a penny.	[23:56]
asciilifeform	(not a wholly illogical thing to do, but annoying to us junkyard dogs)	[23:56]
asciilifeform	in unrelated nyooz,	[23:56]
asciilifeform	''After careful consideration of the public and classified pleadings, the Court holds that Plaintiffs claims must be dismissed under the state secrets privilege because (1) privileged information is at the heart of Plaintiffs claims for discrimination on the basis of disability and race, hostile work environment and retaliation, (2) Defendants cannot defend this action without relying on privileged information, and (3) further	[23:58]
asciilifeform	litigation of Plaintiffs claims would present an unjustifiable risk of disclosure of classified information regarding (a) the identities of CIA officers and employees, (b) the job titles, duties, work assignments of Plaintiff and other covert employees, and the criteria and reasons for making the work assignments and employment decisions regarding them, (c) sources and methods used by covert employees, including operational t	[23:58]
asciilifeform	radecraft and the identity of human assets; (d) the targets and focus of CIA's intelligence collection and operations, and (e) the location of CIA covert facilities. Accordingly, the Court grants Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment'. Accordingly, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment (Doc. 28) is GRANTED, and this action is DISMISSED without prejudice.'	[23:58]
asciilifeform	( http://cryptome.org/2015/02/brennan-grandiosity-v-abilt.pdf )	[23:58]
asciilifeform	so for all those who were wondering re: the proverbial 'who is stronger? the elephant, or the whale ?'	[23:58]
asciilifeform	we have an answer.	[23:58]
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