Forum logs for 21 Dec 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu perhaps. [00:00]
the20year With regards to racism? [00:00]
mircea_popescu on the other hand saying that the civil war the direct result of the southerner's staunch opposition to high taxes and unsound money coming into conflict with lincoln's vision of a leviathanesque all-controlling state. [00:01]
mircea_popescu that vision has meanwhile been realised, and unsurprising anyone with a clue, you mostly don't like it. [00:01]
ThickAsThieves i think most americans are more apathetic than that [00:02]
the20year There was a pretty interesting quote made by a southern general after the war, i need to dig it up, being just about that. And that over time the civil war would be made about slavery and nothing else [00:02]
mircea_popescu perhaps. [00:02]
mircea_popescu the20year nothing new in this world except the history you never read and all that. [00:02]
mircea_popescu obviously the statal propaganda machine will have tried to make it all about a simple, cut and dried issue. [00:03]
mircea_popescu the soviet's (failed) invasion in afghanistan was also about greater justice. [00:03]
Duffer1 macro economics isn't as eye catching as the horrors of slavery [00:03]
the20year Essentially his quote was that he, nor anyone he knew in the south fought for slavery, but against federalism. And that it would be replaced with slavery as time went on since education in the south would likely be federalized by notherners [00:03]
mircea_popescu basically obama's ideas that he can arrest anyone at any time for any rteason ? [00:04]
mircea_popescu it has ample precedent. that precedent is the government of lincoln. [00:04]
Duffer1 or bush as a more modern example :P [00:04]
mircea_popescu not any sort of country anyone'd wish to live in, but then again people living in shitholes rarely get the choice. [00:04]
the20year 19th century history is pretty simplified too, for public consumption [00:06]
the20year (With war leadups being my complaint) as far as it is in US schools [00:06]
the20year granted, i was taught in school that the civil war was bout states rights and money :D [00:06]
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Duffer1 they claimed "states rights" meanwhile they were trying to unite the south in its own federal control and mandate a single religion [00:07]
Duffer1 they didn't want states rights, they wanted the north to stop telling them what to do [00:08]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 arguably this may have been the case. [00:12]
mircea_popescu had it been the case i'd have perhaps had a different name to top my list [00:13]
mircea_popescu but as it is, lincoln carries it. [00:13]
mircea_popescu but obviously no conflict in human history was between the good and the evil. even if no conflict in human history failed being depicted as such. by both sides, of course. [00:14]
Duffer1 i think lincoln is a good choice, the damage done is undeniable [00:15]
Duffer1 he was even deporting reporters to canada [00:15]
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Duffer1 the precedent set the stage for massive constitutional overreach [00:17]
mircea_popescu that's a machine that's still slapping people today. [00:17]
Duffer1 yep :/ [00:17]
the20year So, why hoover? [00:18]
mircea_popescu hoover because he's to this day the prototype of every corrupt cop going into the service to feel up young women and beat up boys. [00:19]
mircea_popescu name one sane thing he did. [00:19]
Duffer1 herbert? [00:19]
mircea_popescu j edgar [00:19]
Duffer1 seems j edgar fits that definition way better [00:19]
the20year I thought you were talking about herbert, as edgar wasn't president [00:20]
Duffer1 arguably more powerful though [00:20]
mircea_popescu it doesn't have to be presidents does it ? [00:20]
Duffer1 dude was pure evil [00:20]
the20year Not that I like herbert, he's on my top bad president list [00:20]
the20year i assumed the list was US presidents [00:20]
mircea_popescu i dunno, seems kind-of not-notable, herbert. [00:21]
the20year Smoot hawley is why I don't like him [00:21]
mircea_popescu the20year no, i said "people" [00:21]
the20year Which destroyed the potential legacy of coolidge [00:21]
the20year ah [00:21]
the20year in the US or worldwide? [00:21]
the20year because no US citizen would take my top 5 bad people list [00:21]
mircea_popescu people. [00:21]
mircea_popescu as long as they're people dun matter where they're born or what function they get. [00:22]
the20year So you'd take lincoln over pol pot? [00:22]
mircea_popescu how's pol pot hurt the us ? [00:22]
mircea_popescu in general you'll find most damaging are the insiders, not the outsiders. [00:22]
mircea_popescu admittedly exceptions can exist, but still. [00:22]
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the20year Guess I was confused as to the list [00:23]
Duffer1 american assholes, top 5 :P [00:23]
mircea_popescu it's not "bad presidents", it's "people that hurt the us" [00:23]
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the20year Nevermind, list of people who have hurt the uS [00:23]
mircea_popescu making a list of "bad" people generally is really an exercise in measuring the weight of air, in air, with a scale and weights made out of air. [00:24]
mircea_popescu cloudwatching, basically. [00:24]
Duffer1 hehe [00:24]
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mircea_popescu pt barnum might be on the top 10. [00:25]
Duffer1 oo interesting [00:26]
Duffer1 without the circus the bread isn't enough? [00:26]
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mircea_popescu well, i have some respect for the variety tradition, but barnum is a sort of paul little without a cause. [00:27]
jurov what about oprah winfrey? [00:28]
mircea_popescu possibly us entertainment sucks so bad to this day because him. [00:28]
mircea_popescu jurov well i don't include live people. [00:28]
mircea_popescu (paul little = max hardcore, the cheap makeup and vomit porn guy) [00:29]
mike_c who are the top 5 people who hurt romania? [00:29]
mircea_popescu carol the 2nd definitely tops that. [00:29]
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the20year And top 5 for france? [00:30]
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mircea_popescu stalin, hitler... small country in europe whadda ya want. [00:30]
Duffer1 ;;wikipedia carol the second [00:30]
gribble Error: "wikipedia" is not a valid command. [00:30]
mike_c hehe carol: Known more for his romantic misadventures than for any leadership skills, [00:30]
mircea_popescu guy was an outrage. [00:30]
mircea_popescu france got hurt bad by hitler, perhaps worse by wilhelm, [00:31]
mircea_popescu the schmuck that joan of arc wanted on the throne ain't so good either, and then with the 1789 revolutions you got plenty of nutty socialists to pick from [00:32]
the20year Petan? [00:32]
mircea_popescu i dunno, top 100 maybe. [00:32]
mircea_popescu why's he notable ? [00:32]
mircea_popescu (petain you mean, the vichy guy ?) [00:32]
the20year vichy [00:32]
mircea_popescu you know before vichy he was the one guy in the top brass that objected to their nutty "infantry charge" tactics [00:33]
mircea_popescu on thegrounds that well... bullets kill. [00:33]
pankkake not sure about Petain himself, but the Vichy gov started a lot of shit that are still going on today [00:35]
mircea_popescu (since we're doing this : guy kept fucking around, and eventually married, aged 60. the woman's name was hardon) [00:35]
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mircea_popescu mike_c guy's father, carol 1st however, is probably the model monarch. [00:37]
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pankkake many forms of unique IDs, the ponzi retirement system, minimum wage, daylight savings, mother's day [00:38]
mircea_popescu bah, father. wasn't his father, they were barely related, nm me. [00:38]
mircea_popescu pankkake the ponzi retirement system was invented by von bismarck. [00:38]
mircea_popescu his idea was that people will have incentive to keep killing each other so as to avoid ponzi effects. [00:38]
pankkake the fun thing is that those things are usually claimed as own "victories" from the left! [00:39]
the20year Of course they are [00:39]
mircea_popescu you get better anal sex when the girl regards taking it in the ass as her own, personal victory. [00:40]
asciilifeform 'ponzi retirement' had ample precedent: 'Tontine.' [00:40]
pankkake though right after the war he had the healthcare thanks to communists [00:40]
mircea_popescu kinda why porn is so important. makes sex better for everyone. [00:40]
asciilifeform tontine <- 16th c.? [00:40]
pankkake does tontine work with debt? [00:40]
pankkake I thought it was just a pot [00:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform fun fact : "tont" is one of the many ways to say dumb in romanian. [00:41]
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the20year mircea_popescu: if we released rentalstarter to mpex, how much funding do yo uthink we could raise? [00:44]
mircea_popescu i don't think god himself can answer that. [00:44]
mircea_popescu s.nsa raised ~500 btc, if memory serves. s.mg ~10k. s.dice about 50k or so. s.bvps if i recall correctly about 100 [00:45]
Duffer1 do you have a target 20? [00:45]
the20year Depends on terms, i'd love to raise more capital via shares, as long as I can keep some equity in it, but i'd prefer just standard bank leverage [00:46]
the20year If more shares and i get to keep equity, around $100k USD [00:46]
mircea_popescu you'll definitely be keepiong a 50% stake. [00:46]
the20year That's good to hear :D [00:46]
mircea_popescu well you have to, the way the contracts are made [00:46]
mircea_popescu (mpex shares are non voting. as a result, the operator has to maintain majority) [00:47]
the20year Right now the way it's written if we can hit $250k in capital, I get a performance bonus [00:47]
mike_c a performance bonus for raising capital? [00:47]
mircea_popescu that seems odd. [00:47]
mircea_popescu is it mostly your friends and family backing you so far ? [00:47]
the20year $250k based on the initial investment of $92k , or a total growth of 271% [00:47]
mikaeldice Increased investment isn't growth [00:48]
the20year I meant capital growth in terms of equity/assets in the company [00:48]
mircea_popescu normal talk makes producers walk... [00:48]
the20year lol [00:48]
the20year in other words i shouldn't be typing when i'm doing 5 other things and not paying attention to what goes on IRC [00:49]
pizzaman1337 any person that wants to list on mpex first needs to pay the registration fee, right? [00:49]
mircea_popescu irc is your life. you will honor it as if it iwere your life. [00:49]
mircea_popescu pizzaman1337 there's fees to list, yes. [00:49]
the20year and blood oaths [00:49]
pizzaman1337 different from the registration fee? how much is it? [00:49]
mircea_popescu there's not an "it", this isn't aluminum siding. [00:50]
Duffer1 ;;google mpex list fee [00:50]
gribble Loper OS » A Review of MPEx, the Bitcoin Stock Exchange.: ; English - MPEx: ; MPEx - Bitcoin: [00:50]
mircea_popescu bwahaha asciilifeform look at that! you're now an authority! [00:50]
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pankkake only because trilema is banned? [00:53]
benkay mircea_popescu: what is the listing fee? [00:53]
mircea_popescu o it is ? [00:53]
mircea_popescu benkay there isn't a fixed fee. you negotiate it when you list. [00:53]
benkay ah. [00:54]
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KRS|Gotyawallet i'd wait til it goes on sale to list [00:56]
mircea_popescu ya, that strategy worked great for the ppl wanting accounts :D [00:57]
KRS|Gotyawallet lol [00:57]
mircea_popescu i stgill have mail going "whatg, 500 dollars for a seat ?! THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!! HOW DARE YOU!!!" [00:57]
KRS|Gotyawallet i heard once a year there are complimentary seat offers [00:57]
KRS|Gotyawallet lol still [00:58]
mircea_popescu yeah, bring 6 friends get yours free. [00:58]
KRS|Gotyawallet so if i buy 6 seats i can resell 7 thats tight [00:58]
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Duffer1 ha [00:59]
KRS|Gotyawallet theres actually decent volume..just need to work on the graphics a bit :D [01:01]
mike_c wow that link on ascii dissecting mpex. I guess a few things have changed since february. [01:01]
KRS|Gotyawallet im retro like that, i dig ascii too..nothing like simplicity. [01:02]
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mircea_popescu io dun even recall waht it says. is it bad ? [01:05]
mike_c not really bad. but conclusion is that he's not plunking any money down on mpex. now he has a company listed there. [01:05]
mircea_popescu lol [01:06]
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mircea_popescu jurov : pr! check it out. [01:06]
asciilifeform http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/20/us-usa-security-rsa-idUSBRE9BJ1C220131220 [01:10]
ozbot Exclusive: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer [01:10]
mircea_popescu ha! [01:13]
asciilifeform the only real news here is the actual cash value of one particular bribe. [01:13]
mircea_popescu rsa sold out fort 10mn [01:14]
mircea_popescu chjeap. [01:14]
Duffer1 i wonder if that makes rsa legally vulnerable to fraud suites [01:14]
asciilifeform to be fair, we see the carrot, but not the stick. [01:14]
asciilifeform 'execs can also have problems. and here, have $10m.' is rather more humane than 'execs can also have problems. get down on yer knees, ready to please.' [01:14]
mircea_popescu selling s.nsa shares. [01:15]
mircea_popescu will take three us govt brass daughters per. [01:15]
mircea_popescu if twins or dungeon broken, 2 per. [01:15]
Duffer1 dungeon broken? [01:16]
asciilifeform 3.5 if they can run a reflow line. [01:16]
Duffer1 i think i'm too young to hear that one [01:16]
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mircea_popescu like housebroken, but for the other kind of pets. [01:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no see, if they can run a reflow line they get to sit at the table with the adults. [01:19]
Duffer1 ohh i thought it was a euphemism for.. well n/m [01:19]
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* mircea_popescu congratulates himself on how well he does euphemisms. [01:19]
Duffer1 tell us how long it takes before nsa contacts you [01:21]
Duffer1 about changing gpg to something less secure [01:21]
mircea_popescu herp. [01:21]
mircea_popescu they'll have to come beg here, like everyone else. [01:21]
asciilifeform nsa did write me a letter once: 'dear mr. s, we regret to inform you that we have no openings matching your..... ' [01:22]
mircea_popescu so if you see a lot of "plz to change gpg it is hard to use" you can guess it's them. [01:22]
Duffer1 does s.nsa have any marketing budget? / plans to set up shop at security conferences etc? [01:23]
mircea_popescu yes / maybe if we find a good outsourcer. [01:23]
benkay outsourced person to do conference show-upping? [01:25]
mike_c outsourcing evangelism is tough for such a technical product. [01:27]
mike_c anybody qualified would be expensive! [01:27]
Duffer1 cardano seems pretty simple, even i got it [01:27]
asciilifeform what will be interesting is: once the idiot imitators show up. [01:27]
asciilifeform (and insist, through their misfortunes, on providing free marketing for the real deal.) [01:28]
Duffer1 hehe [01:28]
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asciilifeform not unlike, if i'm not mistaken, what is happening with mpex. [01:29]
mike_c PR stunt: pit cardano against that website that guesses your number [01:29]
mircea_popescu mike_c gotta give the twentysomething enthusiasts a way in. [01:30]
asciilifeform mike_c: i wrote that. (or actually, johnny von neumann did.) [01:30]
asciilifeform mike_c: someone actually did this with an rsa keyfob! [01:30]
asciilifeform the fob lost. [01:30]
mircea_popescu the current bs they do, setting up shop and pretending like they matter and exist is for the ducks. [01:30]
mike_c hehe [01:30]
mircea_popescu the correct way is to do for instance conference evanghelizing for s.nsa fior a uyear. [01:30]
mircea_popescu you wanna be a car executive you don't show up at the vp meeting acting like you belong there [01:31]
mircea_popescu unless you want to sleep in jail. [01:31]
asciilifeform the game in question, for anyone on whom it has not been inflicted: [01:33]
asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html [01:33]
ozbot Man vs. Machine. [01:33]
BingoBoingo Speaking of efforts to make GPG more easy to use, this is happening http://goteo.org/project/gnupg-new-website-and-infrastructure [01:34]
mike_c fuck! i hate that mindreading robot. [01:35]
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mike_c fail. http://i.imgur.com/JKY7bwv.png [01:37]
Duffer1 .bait [01:38]
ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6t381DAbS1qbvikdo1_1280.jpg [01:38]
Duffer1 how dare you speak ill of ozbot [01:39]
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mike_c ozbot is a good robot that does what its told. ascii's robot reads my mind in uncomfortable ways. [01:40]
mircea_popescu is that a birthmark or a beltmark ozbot ? [01:40]
Duffer1 let me look at it some more [01:40]
mircea_popescu mike_c here's a bomb for you : there exists a sequence which makes the bot get 0% [01:41]
mircea_popescu this is what nsa paid asciilifeform 10 bazilion for. [01:41]
jurov mhm jurov 100: machine 98 [01:42]
mike_c hehe. well, i could write a counter-bot pretty quickly since he provided the source code. [01:42]
BingoBoingo Has radioactive decay improved its entropy to compete with the Cardano yet? [01:42]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [01:42]
mircea_popescu !b 2 [01:42]
assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1515620/plain/) [01:42]
mircea_popescu mike_c i give you an hour. .1 btc if you manage. [01:43]
mike_c done. go. [01:43]
mircea_popescu #bitcoin-assets hackhaton. [01:43]
ThickAsThieves i forgot my hat [01:44]
mircea_popescu but in the interest of sanity : obviously radioactive decay is purely entropic. the methods people use to try and extract that entropy however... tsk. [01:45]
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KRS|Gotyawallet i see you know a thing or two about physics mircea_popescu [01:50]
mircea_popescu like 1.5 [01:50]
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KRS|Gotyawallet postulate quantum mechanics much? [01:50]
mircea_popescu supposedly i was a theoretical physicist in my youth [01:50]
KRS|Gotyawallet its a bit of a fun distraction for me [01:51]
KRS|Gotyawallet i've been reading about that sort of thing since i was just a kid [01:51]
KRS|Gotyawallet the higgs discovery on mass earlier this year was phenom [01:52]
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mike_c this is educational as well. i am surprised at the patterns that fool it. [02:18]
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mircea_popescu halfway there ? [02:19]
mike_c um, not sure exactly what the challenge was. i'm done! [02:19]
mike_c http://jsfiddle.net/dWaUZ/3/ [02:19]
ozbot Edit fiddle - JSFiddle [02:19]
mircea_popescu too much js to help me. [02:20]
mike_c i could publish an arbitrary number of long strings of numbers that win [02:20]
mike_c you can just play and win [02:20]
mike_c oh, you can't see it [02:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00090665 = 4.8052 BTC [+] [02:20]
mircea_popescu basically you were writing a bot that played and won. [02:20]
mike_c you have JS on at all? i could publish the html/js somewhere else [02:21]
mircea_popescu this is != writing a string that works. [02:21]
mike_c i can provide strings of arbitrary length [02:21]
mircea_popescu you can just pb the code. [02:21]
mike_c i just did :) [02:21]
mircea_popescu uh [02:21]
mircea_popescu pastebin.com ? dpaste.com ? something that actually spits out text [02:21]
mike_c k [02:21]
mircea_popescu i dunno what that site threw at me, but it didn't werk [02:22]
asciilifeform the magic string is at this point known to everyone, some wag posted it on reddit [02:22]
asciilifeform it's a consequence of how the markov chain works [02:22]
mike_c this is better! [02:22]
asciilifeform but you aren't really winning [02:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that was going to be my killing blow once he failed. [02:22]
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asciilifeform you still 'lose at entropy' because now you have clear pattern. [02:22]
mircea_popescu ok, but the game was beat your opponent not beat the idea of chess [02:23]
asciilifeform i still find it hilarious how much time people burned playing with that thing. [02:23]
mike_c hang on, creating html file you can download and play locally [02:24]
mircea_popescu twist : that playing was generally a better use of that time than the alternatives they had [02:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this could by why mswinblows came with 'minesweeper' [02:24]
mircea_popescu im kind-of surprised nobody made minestripper. [02:25]
mircea_popescu same idea except with progressive nudity. [02:25]
mircea_popescu oh us, why u so violent! [02:25]
wao-ender mm [02:26]
asciilifeform obligatory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHY8NKj3RKs [02:26]
wao-ender mircea_popescu: I just thinking about something similiar you just wrote at trilema http://trilema.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/ (thx 2 jurov) [02:26]
wao-ender mircea_popescu: and my Q is, did you made some progress on it? [02:26]
mircea_popescu wao-ender hardly. [02:27]
wao-ender also, I have in my head some cat bonds, did you heard of them? [02:27]
mircea_popescu uyeah [02:28]
wao-ender what do you think of? I just had talk with some guy who is pro in risk assests managment [02:28]
mircea_popescu technically that's what the mpoe bonds are. [02:28]
mike_c https://mega.co.nz/#!7UJTFCZZ!LGD7Wk8CSVUZgL0C4fqebBVsMfkvnzaOAgkPd5D_pkM [02:28]
ozbot MEGA [02:28]
wao-ender ah [02:28]
wao-ender ok then [02:28]
mircea_popescu you looked into how those work ? [02:28]
wao-ender not yet [02:28]
mike_c so you can play as normal, except it hints you what to press next [02:29]
mircea_popescu aite, they've been used for ~2 years to cover the options bot on mpex [02:29]
wao-ender https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131270.0 [02:29]
mircea_popescu mike_c da heck is that, you're just recursing the algo lol [02:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16710 @ 0.00091086 = 15.2205 BTC [+] {2} [02:29]
mircea_popescu gotta put some clever into it! [02:29]
mike_c exactly! much more fun. [02:29]
mike_c what, a counter-bot has to be complicated? :) [02:29]
mircea_popescu no, but it has to be counter [02:30]
mircea_popescu rather than a re-bot [02:30]
mike_c it's pretty counter. i'm up like 100-0 [02:30]
mircea_popescu you would be lol [02:30]
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mike_c i assumed we were not connecting semantically on the challenge. i did it for fun :) [02:31]
ThickAsThieves http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_6p-1J551Y#t=129 [02:32]
ozbot The Cubli: a cube that can jump up, balance, and 'walk' - YouTube [02:32]
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mircea_popescu :p [02:32]
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ThickAsThieves http://investor.fb.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=815488 [02:46]
ozbot Facebook Announces Pricing of Follow-On Offering - Facebook [02:46]
ThickAsThieves $1.5b in stock [02:46]
mircea_popescu heh [02:51]
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copumpkin MPOE is pretty shallow [03:45]
copumpkin need moar market makin' [03:45]
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pizzaman1337 what's the best bitcoin accepting VPS provider these days? [03:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15293 @ 0.00090526 = 13.8441 BTC [+] {2} [03:51]
asciilifeform pizzaman1337: hard to say 'best', but there are several which appear to work 'as printed on the box.' [03:51]
pizzaman1337 asciilifeform: any that you recommend? [03:51]
pizzaman1337 wait, I wonder if you can use AWS with an amazon gift card, which you could buy with BTC... [03:51]
asciilifeform sure. [03:52]
pizzaman1337 ok, nvm then [03:52]
pizzaman1337 the internet seems to disagree: http://www.quora.com/Amazon/Can-I-use-Amazon-gift-cards-to-pay-for-AWS [03:52]
KRS|Gotyawallet jurov has a free shell [03:55]
pizzaman1337 I want something I can "completely" control [03:55]
benkay nice air quotes [03:56]
KRS|Gotyawallet heh [03:59]
KRS|Gotyawallet something with a gui right [03:59]
pizzaman1337 no, I mean, something I can trust more than a shell on some else's box. I want root. [04:00]
benkay "trust" [04:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 315 @ 0.001 = 0.315 BTC [04:04]
mircea_popescu you don't get root with amazon cloud. [04:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.0009035 = 3.614 BTC [-] {2} [04:06]
asciilifeform http://www.usatoday.com/story/nation/2013/12/19/maj-gen-michael-carey-nuclear-missiles-alcohol/4131963/ [04:07]
ozbot Air Force disciplines nuke general for alcohol binge [04:07]
Duffer1 push button to end our species [04:08]
Duffer1 i'd be an alcoholic too [04:08]
pizzaman1337 I guess it depends on your definition of root? [04:08]
mircea_popescu after his alcohol-fueled binge on a two-day visit to Moscow in July that included a late-night meeting with local women and offensive behavior to his Russian hosts. [04:08]
mircea_popescu what are these people, retarded ? [04:08]
mircea_popescu who offended russians by drinking ? is this alternate ustard reality or something ? [04:08]
Duffer1 maybe he dissed their vodka [04:08]
asciilifeform implication is that he failed to 'hold his liquor' [04:09]
BingoBoingo Obviously this disciplinary case should have been referred to me for adjudication [04:09]
mircea_popescu maybe some 5rd wheel aide chick was offended. [04:09]
asciilifeform http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/12/19/an_american_nuclear_general_gets_fired_for_booze_fuelled_moscow_bender.html [04:09]
ozbot An American nuclear general gets fired for booze-fuelled Moscow bender. [04:09]
asciilifeform “A tobacco store lady talking about physics in the wee hours of the morning doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me,” Carey told investigators..." [04:10]
mircea_popescu Carey interrupted a monastery tour guide with slurred speech, sulked on a group walk through Red Square and later tried to sing with a band at a Mexican restaurant in Moscow. They refused to let him. [04:10]
mircea_popescu lmao [04:10]
mircea_popescu clearly the man is not fit for any job. he is not bland, he is not overlycautious [04:11]
mircea_popescu i say take his citizenship, he doesn't fit in. [04:11]
mircea_popescu "I've never been more embarrassed professionally in my life with a senior member." aka, you should see the junior members. [04:12]
mircea_popescu anyway. i wonder how many shitty officers are breathing easy now, because they won't get fired because well... they dont' get drunk so it's all ok. [04:12]
asciilifeform the riotously funny part: which beans exactly is the general to spill? [04:13]
asciilifeform 'PALs are still set to code 00000'? [04:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04888 = 0.4888 BTC [+] [04:13]
asciilifeform 'u.s. missile defense still requires rocket to broadcast its location, at least 1kW loud.' [04:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12975 @ 0.00090325 = 11.7197 BTC [-] {2} [04:14]
asciilifeform 'president buys his coke in a transformer booth at Eastern Market st.' [04:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00090625 = 3.2625 BTC [+] [04:15]
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Duffer1 well he can't get it on SR any more so where else is he going to get hooked up? [04:16]
mod6 heheh [04:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.04888 = 1.5642 BTC [+] [04:20]
KRS1 thought sr was back up [04:21]
KRS1 havent others popped up now [04:21]
Duffer1 oh probably [04:22]
asciilifeform there was the honeypot one that shat out its complete customer list [04:22]
asciilifeform and where 'somebody' absconded with the treasure chest [04:22]
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mircea_popescu wao-ender incidentally : bitbet is a cat bond escrow by default. [04:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.049399 = 0.1976 BTC [+] [04:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00090248 = 11.4615 BTC [-] {2} [04:24]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 12 @ 0.08122499 = 0.9747 BTC [+] {4} [04:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05 = 0.2 BTC [+] [04:26]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2254 @ 0.00089789 = 2.0238 BTC [-] {2} [04:31]
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KRS1 fwiw sources are saying btc market could correct down to ~ $360 - $400's market price [04:41]
spokesz !jd [04:42]
assbot Just-Dice stat: 10562 BTC profit, 35.3k BTC invested, 364.83 mio bets, 4.64 mio BTC wagered [04:42]
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harkbarker http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/20/5231006/nsa-paid-10-million-for-a-back-door-into-rsa-encryption-according-to [04:43]
ozbot NSA paid $10 million to put its backdoor in RSA encryption, according to Reuters report | The Verge [04:43]
asciilifeform wonder when we'll get the lamer circus - 'rsa algo sucks, let's use bozocrypt' [04:45]
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dj_jazzy_jeff_ hello? [05:06]
kakobrekla hi [05:07]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00012 = 0.6 BTC [+] [05:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform bozocrypt is better because secret sauce. [05:31]
fiat500 "KRS1> fwiw sources are saying " [05:33]
fiat500 sources? bitcoin market insiders? [05:33]
fiat500 im just imagining some dude with 1000s of BTC saying "yeah i want to sell off super fast such that i cause the price to plummet and in turn lose a lot of money" [05:35]
mircea_popescu krs has been a little antsy of late. [05:36]
fiat500 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg4066329#msg4066329 [05:38]
ozbot Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock] [05:38]
fiat500 *facepalm* [05:38]
kakobrekla fuck you fiat500 you slanderous soul [05:40]
mircea_popescu derp. [05:40]
fiat500 kakobrekla: what did i slander exactly? [05:40]
mircea_popescu this new learning amazes me >D [05:40]
CuWireBeard "resurrected"? Is that what they're calling it nowadays [05:40]
mircea_popescu fiat500 he's being very sarcastic. [05:40]
fiat500 oh, lol [05:40]
fiat500 fair enough then [05:40]
mircea_popescu CuWireBeard its one of the original global scam exchange "investments" [05:40]
mircea_popescu it was resurected like... every summer now [05:41]
fiat500 in my mind this is worse than a scam, its just sheer incompetence, how do you collect 900 btc for hardware purchases and end up sourcing only 28TH/s for delivery sometime next year? [05:42]
mircea_popescu guess. [05:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.0008873 = 10.9138 BTC [-] [05:42]
CuWireBeard But BFL was the future of BTC mining [05:42]
fiat500 thats 30btc im never going to see again, breaks my heart really [05:43]
fiat500 iirc goat was closer to 140btc into this [05:44]
mircea_popescu goat says lots ofthings. [05:45]
mircea_popescu most of which aren't actually true. [05:45]
fiat500 nah he traded in some hw for 700 shares at ~0.2 [05:45]
Duffer1 where is goat now days? [05:46]
fiat500 spoke to him last week, he's around [05:46]
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fiat500 lol@ this http://just-dice.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2013-12-14T12:32:00-08:00&max-results=7 [05:47]
fiat500 more creative destruction of wealth, its a new economy [05:47]
Duffer1 how did i know that was going to be about nokawa [05:48]
kakobrekla cant belive "one guy vs random" gets so much coverage [05:49]
kakobrekla or should i say vs 1% house edge [05:50]
mike_c funniest part of that article: nakowa donated 10btc to the people in the chat room at the time, including the author. the author proceeded to gamble it away immediately. [05:50]
kakobrekla lool [05:51]
fiat500 lmfao [05:51]
Duffer1 i'm surprised it's on the jd blog, highlighting the tragedy of gambling addiction would drive users away, or make them more disappointed in themselves for staying [05:52]
kakobrekla its some fans blong isnt it? not official or anyhting [05:53]
kakobrekla blog* [05:53]
Duffer1 ah [05:53]
kakobrekla but blong isnt such bad word either, should be used for something [05:53]
mircea_popescu isn't it the guy;'s gf blogging there ? [05:53]
kakobrekla dunno [05:54]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00088964 = 4.5372 BTC [-] [06:16]
* BingoBoingo considers changing my site to a blong [06:17]
kakobrekla lolk [06:18]
BingoBoingo It's just a matter of figuring out what sort of format a blong is. [06:20]
BingoBoingo If a blong is even a web venture. [06:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.0008926 = 4.463 BTC [+] [06:22]
mircea_popescu and can you short the blong [06:23]
kakobrekla yeah but dont do it, dont short btc or blong. [06:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1350 @ 0.00088808 = 1.1989 BTC [-] {2} [06:25]
BingoBoingo blong being a away to say long on btc could make the20year and his real estate venture shorting blong [06:25]
mircea_popescu hello sir. i am with fortune a business company of the united states and would like to short blong [06:25]
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kakobrekla and so the power puff, errr, new word was born. [06:29]
KRS1 schlong [06:29]
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Duffer1 Earthcoin just launched if anyone here is interested in LTC clones that have zero innovation [06:38]
fiat500 lmfao [06:38]
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fiat500 what's so earthy about it [06:39]
CuWireBeard How many Earthcoins do I need for a tree to be planted in my name on Earth Day? [06:39]
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Duffer1 they made the block reward like a 12 month long sin wave because.. who knows [06:41]
Duffer1 the first 6 months it will peak at 12k block reward then fall to 8k block reward during the following 6 months [06:42]
Duffer1 seems like they're trying to increase volatility to get better margins as they fleece suckers on cryptsy [06:45]
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mircea_popescu there's dog-coin, earth-coin and everything-else coin so far, but no girlfriend-coin [06:58]
mircea_popescu telling. [06:58]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00012 = 0.6 BTC [+] [06:59]
Duffer1 i wonder why sex coin didn't survive... [06:59]
Duffer1 :P [07:00]
Duffer1 howcome there isn't a MP coin? [07:00]
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Duffer1 pay 20btc to mine it [07:01]
Duffer1 1btc per addres [07:01]
Duffer1 s [07:01]
Duffer1 block reward negotiable [07:04]
fiat500 LOL [07:05]
fiat500 now thats innovation [07:05]
fiat500 market-based block reward [07:06]
mircea_popescu ;lol [07:10]
asciilifeform better marscoin. [07:18]
asciilifeform betcha the first orbiting blockchain gizmo will be hooked to an altchain [07:18]
asciilifeform not for any good reason, but to promote the otherwise forgettable crackpot alt which it would otherwise be [07:19]
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mircea_popescu it's a bet [08:09]
theskyisfalling its a me [08:16]
fiat500 http://falkvinge.net/2011/05/29/why-im-putting-all-my-savings-into-bitcoin/ [08:19]
fiat500 did he end up selling at some point or is he still all in? anyone know? [08:20]
fiat500 nvm, seems like a moron [08:21]
mircea_popescu he gets the occasional good point [08:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00088259 = 7.6785 BTC [+] [08:26]
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Duffer1 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-20/european-union-loses-aaa-credit-rating-at-s-p-on-weaker-cohesion.html [08:33]
ozbot European Union Stripped of AAA Credit Rating at S&P - Bloomberg [08:33]
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mircea_popescu no reason it should have had it [08:47]
mircea_popescu no reason the us should have aa either [08:47]
mircea_popescu c is what it is. [08:47]
* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [16:23]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading [16:23]
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mircea_popescu .d [16:23]
ozbot 1180923195.25803 | Next Diff in 1988 blocks | Estimated Change: -18.5612% in 16d 8h 45m 5s [16:23]
mircea_popescu ha [16:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 63 @ 0.00283413 = 0.1786 BTC [+] {5} [16:26]
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nubbins` nice [16:28]
knotwork wow yeah [16:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00088251 = 8.1632 BTC [+] {2} [16:31]
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mircea_popescu http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Federal_Debt_Held_by_the_Public_1790-2013.png << the picture of unsustainable. [16:39]
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nubbins` world war 3 will be different, in that it won't be called world war 3 [16:45]
mircea_popescu heh. [16:45]
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pankkake got a "coinchat is back" mail. I thought that was TradeFortress' thing? [17:38]
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ThickAsThieves sounds right [17:41]
ThickAsThieves https://blockchain.info/pools [17:41]
ozbot Bitcoin Hashrate Distribution - Blockchain.info [17:41]
ThickAsThieves BTCG and Ghash have big slices [17:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9273 @ 0.00087754 = 8.1374 BTC [-] {2} [17:41]
pankkake 17% unknown :o [17:42]
ThickAsThieves wonder if governments will regulate mining pools one day [17:42]
pankkake they have every incentive to do so… but pools are also easy to hide [17:42]
pankkake perhaps at the cost of some latency [17:43]
ThickAsThieves the more hidden they are the less popular they are [17:43]
asciilifeform by 'regulate,' perhaps you mean pwn? [17:43]
asciilifeform how many miners are using authentication of any sort whatsoever [17:43]
pankkake regulation is "drowning by bureaucracy" [17:44]
asciilifeform you might already be mining for the reich [17:44]
asciilifeform without knowing it. [17:44]
pankkake hmm, very easy to MITM miners [17:44]
ThickAsThieves like limit pools to 10%, tax them [17:44]
ThickAsThieves etc [17:44]
asciilifeform and most 'special' of all are the folks who connect to pools... through tor. [17:45]
pankkake I would think more like forbid "bad" transactions [17:45]
ThickAsThieves like redlisting etc [17:45]
pankkake yeah [17:45]
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ThickAsThieves its kinda like forking the chain [17:46]
asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: much easier would be a crown-imposed altcoin [17:46]
asciilifeform 'trade yer TerrorCoins for ReichCoins! you can even pay tax in them.' [17:47]
ThickAsThieves i sure love paying tax [17:48]
asciilifeform pre-mined by your local Department of Plenty, naturally. [17:48]
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pankkake I aim to sell Bernankoin to the USG! [17:49]
pankkake it's funny that no matter how hard you try to make a bad coin, people go out there to "promote" it [17:49]
ThickAsThieves someone should make an altcoin building program [17:50]
ThickAsThieves choose your settings [17:50]
pankkake yeah, that's should be my next project [17:50]
ThickAsThieves basically make it so any joe can make an altcoin [17:50]
pankkake like the (fake) RnB generator: http://pixdaus.com/files/items/pics/2/86/30286_c070b827bd67eecdc929eea629c45195_large.jpg [17:51]
ThickAsThieves you could even host pools [17:52]
ThickAsThieves make it a whole SaaS [17:52]
pankkake quite a lot of work, but sure should pay in the long run [17:53]
ThickAsThieves http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/12/20/target-credit-cards-are-selling-for-20-100-each/ [17:53]
ozbot Stolen Target Credit Cards Are Selling For $20 - $100 Each - Forbes [17:54]
ThickAsThieves Bitcoin, as well as other irreversible and semi-anonymous ways of sending money including Litecoin, WebMoney, PerfectMoney, and traditional wire transfers. [17:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5275 @ 0.00087708 = 4.6266 BTC [-] [17:54]
ThickAsThieves They can be bought using, of course, Bitcoin, as well as other irreversible and semi-anonymous ways of sending money including Litecoin [17:54]
ThickAsThieves (Amusingly, one of my normal Bitcoin sources emailed me to say, “ If Target accepted Bitcoins, 40 million individuals would have been protected.” [17:55]
ThickAsThieves "The only good news: Krebs reports that the Target thieves did not get the cards CVV2 — that 3 or 4 digit security number printed on back of cards — which means they can’t do any online shopping with the cards. " [17:56]
ThickAsThieves thats not true at all [17:56]
pankkake credit cards is the worst security ever [17:56]
pankkake I don't even understand how something so bad can exist [17:56]
mircea_popescu because they were made before the internet forced tech up everyone's throat, by people who believe in legal solutions. [17:57]
ThickAsThieves Target is 10% off this weekend too [17:57]
ThickAsThieves their stock is up however [17:58]
mircea_popescu and any government that asserts any sort of infringement on teh republic of bitcoin's sovereignity, such as by purporting to "tax" bitcoins or to "regulate" mining etc is thereby declaring war, and will feel the full wrath and might of said republic. [17:58]
ThickAsThieves would you say the same about the internet? [17:58]
mircea_popescu no, inasmuch as the internet is not a republic. [17:58]
mircea_popescu what's the internet gonna do, blog about you ? [17:59]
ThickAsThieves block mining? [17:59]
mircea_popescu hm ? [18:00]
ThickAsThieves what if gov uses some roundabout means of internet control to impede bitcoin [18:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12016 @ 0.00087883 = 10.56 BTC [+] {2} [18:00]
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mircea_popescu well how would i know ? [18:01]
mircea_popescu likely bitcoin will use some roundabout means of internet control to impede nonsense. [18:01]
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ThickAsThieves hmm [18:02]
ThickAsThieves do you think bitcoin is dependent on the web? [18:02]
ThickAsThieves if so, should not the republic defend it? [18:02]
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ThickAsThieves an attack on my friend [18:03]
mod6 bitcoin doesn't need the internet: http://trilema.com/2012/the-politics-of-bitcoin/ [18:03]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is not dependent on the web in any way. [18:03]
mircea_popescu what exactly is the relation of bitcoin to the web, mpoe-pr ? [18:04]
ThickAsThieves you think bitcoin would stay healthy without it the net? [18:06]
mod6 bitcoin will find a way. if anything, i think we'd build our own communications network if we needed to. [18:06]
ThickAsThieves well Gavin is on that satellite project right [18:07]
mod6 paul revere style light signals or even smoke signals would work. [18:09]
knotwork web and net are different, web is just another thing that uses the net as transport, much like bitcoin is [18:09]
ThickAsThieves assume i mean the network we all use to communicate [18:10]
knotwork bitcoin does depend on having some kind of net though if only sneakers-and-paper-wallets net [18:10]
ThickAsThieves how does mining happen? tx takes mos to confirm? [18:11]
knotwork print out a buy order GPG message to mpoe-pr and snailmail it to a penpal in Romania who drops it in a dead-drop for MPOE-spy to pick up [18:11]
knotwork mining is trickier yeah [18:11]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves how is bitcoin related to the web, sweriously [18:13]
knotwork run your local fork via sneakernet all year, then put it on santa's plate with his cookies and milk so when he zooms around the world faster than light he picks them all up, maybe even has a copier in his sleigh to copy it so he puts in your stocking all the chaisn from all the kids he visited before you [18:13]
knotwork so we'd have one year to two year long forks in progress constantly [18:13]
knotwork maybe less if easter bunny and tooth fairy help him [18:13]
knotwork or we could use acoustic modems over long distance phone lines but that is so much less elegant, albeit shorter forks. UUCP to the rescue, whee! [18:14]
knotwork subscribe to an alt.blockchains.bitcoin newsgroup, presto [18:15]
mircea_popescu probably a sort of point to point over wireless is already happening in the major cities [18:15]
mircea_popescu just too much spare wireless capacity available. [18:15]
knotwork ho yeah sure go ahead put Santa out of a job already, fine. :) [18:16]
mircea_popescu lol [18:16]
knotwork you can do UUCP over ham radio though sure [18:16]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves part of the problem is perhaps that you're confusing the internet and the web [18:17]
mircea_popescu irc for instance is not on the web [18:17]
knotwork The north pole is probably a big aerial for christmas ham radio anyway as well as a faster than light communicator so Santa can stay in touch with the Ms. wheil delivering prezzies. [18:17]
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mircea_popescu it's on 194/6667 [18:18]
asciilifeform one thing i occasionally try to convince people off is that: the time to invent the parachute is before, rather than after, being thrown out of the plane [18:20]
asciilifeform bring back fidonet now. [18:20]
mircea_popescu i never knew it went away [18:21]
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knotwork yeah somewhere between thrown in the deep end to learn to swim and thrown out of an airplane to incentivise inventing a parachute there is a slope of some slipperiness or lack of slipperiness or nasty friction or razor blades or something [18:22]
knotwork a gulf or divide maybe [18:22]
mircea_popescu anyway, the parachute argument eschews the infinity problem. [18:22]
mircea_popescu after you're done throwing an infinite number of people out of the airplane [18:22]
mircea_popescu there's an infinite number of people still using the airplane. [18:22]
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asciilifeform flying Hilbert Hotel? [18:23]
mircea_popescu nobody can win the war on concepts, be they purely theoretical like heliocentrism or quite sordid like psychoactives, [18:23]
knotwork if there are an infinate number of people in the airplane then relativity maybe should indicate there must also be an infinite number of moments of time? [18:23]
mircea_popescu and the airplane throwing thing is a fascinating exercise in impotence. [18:23]
knotwork if so maybe we can later after inventing parachute put in an infinite number of parachutes, and even back when we built the first infinite-capacity airplane it would have all those parachutes that will eventually be invented? [18:24]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00088138 = 16.6581 BTC [+] {2} [18:30]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02102 = 0.2102 BTC [+] {4} [18:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9341 @ 0.0008827 = 8.2453 BTC [+] {2} [18:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11409 @ 0.00088425 = 10.0884 BTC [+] {2} [18:40]
the20year anyone know offhand what daily volume is at havelock? [18:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8472 @ 0.00088446 = 7.4931 BTC [+] [18:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5728 @ 0.00088463 = 5.0672 BTC [+] [18:46]
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zach_ hey i have a question for a mod or someone from bitbet [19:15]
zach_ does bitbet work with people sending funds from coinbase? [19:15]
nubbins` i think some guy got burned doing that a while ago [19:15]
nubbins` coinbase cheaped out on the tx fee, guy missed a bet deadline [19:16]
pankkake coinbase is known for sending transactions late, too [19:16]
zach_ na i'm asking because i saw on smoeother betting site that coinbase did not work for sending money to them, something about it sending it back to the same address, just like bitbet does, and there being issues with that [19:17]
pankkake but if you're early enough, why not, just be sure to specify an address manually [19:17]
pankkake bitbet allows you to have a custom address, it won't necessarily use the sending address [19:17]
zach_ ok, how do i contact someone from bitbet then [19:18]
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pankkake you sent it already? [19:19]
zach_ yup... [19:19]
zach_ not totally sure but i don't think i specified a different address to receive [19:19]
pankkake I don't think you have a way to prove you were that transaction [19:19]
pankkake well you can see the out address on the public bet list [19:19]
mircea_popescu zach_ as long as you control the destination address, you'll be fine. [19:23]
mircea_popescu if however you send in such a way that your transaction doesn't make it before the bet closes, you're screwed. [19:24]
zach_ if i did not enter an address, it will just get sent back to coinbase correct? does that work are are there problems with that [19:24]
mircea_popescu this means, not using shitty services that don't add a fee to txs, and not betting late. [19:24]
mircea_popescu if you did not enter an address then coinbase thanks you for your donation. [19:24]
twizt lol so many half assed designed services [19:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002904 = 0.2904 BTC [-] [19:25]
zach_ why would it not just go back to that same coinbase wallet, that is my wallet [19:25]
twizt zach_: i think that answer depends on how coinbase is designed... [19:25]
twizt anything we say is mere speculation [19:25]
Jere_Jones Was the 1B difficulty bet the largest bitbet ever? [19:26]
mircea_popescu zach_ because it is likely that coinbase uses some sort of minimal security. [19:26]
mircea_popescu this means that it sweeps its btc into a cold wallet, which also means it will be paying from addresses it controls, [19:26]
zach_ ok so if a bet has not resolved yet is there a way to change the address for it to send payouts [19:26]
mircea_popescu not from addresses you contrl. [19:26]
mircea_popescu no, there is no way to change addresses it sends payouts to. otherwise everyone would cash in on everyone else's bets. [19:26]
zach_ i can prove from my coinebase transaction history that the bet in question was sent by me [19:26]
mircea_popescu Jere_Jones nah, there were > 1k ones [19:27]
mircea_popescu course, back then btc was arguably less valuable. [19:27]
twizt zach_: i think their cust serv would be the best suited to answer your question [19:27]
nubbins` zach_: "prove" in what sense? [19:27]
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mircea_popescu zach_ then you could i suppose pester them to credit it, when it shows up. in general however you should not be doing this. [19:27]
nubbins` a screenshot isn't proof [19:27]
zach_ no cuz i can show i sent it from my address to the given address it said to place the bet [19:27]
nubbins` prove to whom? [19:27]
mircea_popescu does coinbase actually allocate addresses to users, like a sort of wallet ? [19:28]
nubbins` coinbase or bitbet? [19:28]
mircea_popescu i thought it was a btc buying service. [19:28]
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zach_ well now i know [19:28]
Namworld Not really. How would you prove you sent that transaction? You can't. A screenshot isn't good enough. I could make a screenshot and edit it 50 times for all amounts and claim all bets as mine. [19:29]
mircea_popescu Namworld i assumed they allow him to sign with the address ? [19:30]
Namworld Try showing coinbase the transaction out was sent to bitbet and it came back as a winning bet, if it happens you win. [19:30]
Namworld Not sure. I don't know how coinbase wallets are designed [19:31]
twizt ^^^ [19:31]
twizt this isnt coinbase' cust service chat lol [19:31]
mircea_popescu so the guy can ask. course... always a good idea to ask before rather than after lol [19:32]
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nubbins` http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/12/21/0041228/reuters-rsa-weakened-encryption-for-10m-from-nsa [19:34]
ozbot Reuters: RSA Weakened Encryption For $10M From NSA - Slashdot [19:34]
mircea_popescu yest news nubs [19:34]
nubbins` ;( [19:36]
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asciilifeform http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/2013/12/17/6569b226-6734-11e3-a0b9-249bbb34602c_story.html [19:40]
ozbot Tech executives to Obama: NSA spying revelations are threatening business - The Washington Post [19:40]
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pankkake https://www.fsf.org/news/gluglug-x60-laptop-now-certified-to-respect-your-freedom [19:45]
ozbot Gluglug X60 Laptop now certified to Respect Your Freedom — Free Software Foundation — working to [19:45]
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mircea_popescu certified by whom ? [19:48]
nubbins` FSF [19:48]
mircea_popescu better than nothing i guess. [19:49]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, http://trilema.com/2013/definitely-not-any-kind-of-a-more-like-c/ [19:49]
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kakobrekla ok so i cant figure out which box is connected as kakobreklaaa [19:55]
kakobrekla ill try to reboot the whole house [19:57]
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kakobreklaaa nvm found it! [19:59]
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mircea_popescu lmao [20:09]
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mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/519/btc-network-difficulty-to-top-1b-before-2014/ paid, if anyone was watching excitedly. [20:18]
ozbot BitBet - BTC network difficulty to top 1B before 2014 [20:18]
mircea_popescu and for all the talk of displeasure, if one compares the [20:18]
mircea_popescu 24-08-13 17:37 Yes 100`000 2.00000000 126cP 3.77154710 [20:18]
mircea_popescu with the [20:18]
mircea_popescu 18-12-13 14:04 Yes 5`246 2.08834181 1468A 2.16559433 [20:19]
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mircea_popescu it seems rather balanced, within reason. [20:19]
mircea_popescu 90ish percent vs 3ish% [20:19]
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[\] New 8-cell 5.2aH (5200mAh) battery installed (these are the larger variety, which come with extended battery life) [20:42]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10004 @ 0.00087667 = 8.7702 BTC [-] {2} [21:13]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9520 @ 0.00088163 = 8.3931 BTC [+] {2} [21:28]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7876 @ 0.00088413 = 6.9634 BTC [+] {3} [21:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.05 = 0.75 BTC [+] [21:36]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 569 @ 0.00290279 = 1.6517 BTC [-] {3} [21:50]
kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=380096.0 [21:50]
ozbot Pi Wallet - Secure your coins now [21:50]
kakobrekla hm nvm [21:51]
kakobrekla seems just en expencive rpi [21:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.00283127 = 0.3539 BTC [-] {4} [21:51]
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Duffer1 Scarlett vs Naniwa on now, 14 btc prize [21:54]
Duffer1 http://www.twitch.tv/totalbiscuit [21:54]
ozbot Totalbiscuit - Twitch [21:54]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00088548 = 10.183 BTC [+] [21:56]
kakobrekla bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5441.msg3947084#msg3947084 [21:56]
kakobrekla not like he knew the amt of fake euro debt he took upon himself from the start [21:57]
mircea_popescu lol [21:59]
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mircea_popescu .d [22:00]
ozbot 1180923195.25803 | Next Diff in 1944 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.5864% in 12d 7h 48m 27s [22:00]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/ << is my math off or does the diff need to go up 30% both periods for this to come out yes ? [22:01]
ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014 [22:01]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 324 @ 0.00088548 = 0.2869 BTC [+] [22:02]
ThickAsThieves we'll have 3 changes before then right? [22:14]
mircea_popescu hm. i guess it's actually 41 days [22:14]
mircea_popescu so it could be 3 changes yes [22:14]
mircea_popescu right on the cusp [22:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12094 @ 0.0008841 = 10.6923 BTC [-] {2} [22:15]
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mircea_popescu these crazy fucking bets. [22:15]
ThickAsThieves i think itll be just like this time [22:15]
mircea_popescu i still don't know how they manage to be so well picked ffs. [22:15]
ThickAsThieves seem absurd now, likely later, and obvious the week before [22:15]
mircea_popescu could be yeah [22:15]
ThickAsThieves I have a bet on Yes [22:16]
mircea_popescu allow me to rehash the usual arguments : this bet calls for a 50% increase in deployed hash power within a month. [22:16]
mircea_popescu this means a good few mwh [22:16]
ThickAsThieves 3PH was added this period [22:16]
Duffer1 banking on bfl delivering their monarchs tat? :P [22:16]
ThickAsThieves why not 4 more? [22:17]
mircea_popescu welll.... [22:17]
ThickAsThieves cointerra delivering too right? [22:17]
mircea_popescu if you went to the us army and said "you have to increase your firepower by 50%. you have one month. you can't get a bank loan for this" [22:17]
ThickAsThieves and ghash taking over the world [22:17]
mircea_popescu then it'd be a much safer bet. [22:17]
Duffer1 and hashfast too i suppose [22:18]
ThickAsThieves mp you act like they need to decide in the present to deply PHs [22:18]
ThickAsThieves maybe they decided 2mos ago [22:18]
ThickAsThieves deploy [22:18]
mircea_popescu this is a point. [22:18]
mircea_popescu what's a ph cost by now, like 5mn ? [22:19]
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ThickAsThieves good question [22:19]
ThickAsThieves thatll be the currency come spring [22:19]
ThickAsThieves how many PH you got? [22:19]
mircea_popescu lol [22:19]
ThickAsThieves do you even PH? [22:19]
mod6 heheh [22:20]
mircea_popescu lol [22:20]
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mircea_popescu and the humans got 5 ph and the elves 7 and the dwarves only 3 cause they were midgets [22:20]
mircea_popescu yet the last ph... [22:20]
ThickAsThieves luke-jr! [22:21]
mircea_popescu i wonder if anyone still cpu solo mines [22:21]
mircea_popescu maybe there's someone in a cave somewhere, never turned it off. [22:21]
ThickAsThieves a lottery ticket is faster [22:22]
mircea_popescu maybe it's a girl and she likes it sloo [22:22]
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ThickAsThieves is the girl in the cave or the cave in the girl? [22:23]
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ThickAsThieves facebook sure is getting shitty [22:25]
ThickAsThieves it's all slow and myspacey now [22:25]
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mircea_popescu pity i can't short it more. [22:25]
ThickAsThieves http://venturebeat.com/2013/12/21/carmats-groundbreaking-five-year-artificial-heart-gets-its-first-patient-in-france/ [22:27]
ozbot Carmat's groundbreaking five-year artificial heart gets its first patient in France | VentureBeat | [22:27]
mircea_popescu o hey [22:27]
ThickAsThieves "Not only did the company have to create something that minimized the risk of clot formation, but it also had to ensure that the device was repairable and reliable." [22:27]
ThickAsThieves Hello, can I speak with customer service, my heart has stopped functioning. Please hold. [22:28]
mircea_popescu i see about $3 per gh. so it'd be 3mn not 5 for a ph [22:29]
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mircea_popescu people spendign 12 mn to buy mining gear in a month ? definitely. [22:29]
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mircea_popescu maybe this is how bitcoin dies, we run out of longints to save the diff. [22:30]
ThickAsThieves those clean coins will be valuable one day [22:30]
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mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/27/network-difficulty-under-20-million/ [22:35]
mircea_popescu the good old days. [22:35]
ozbot BitBet - Network Difficulty under 20 million. [22:35]
Duffer1 hehe [22:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00088352 = 7.9517 BTC [-] [22:58]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00088077 = 18.32 BTC [-] {2} [23:10]
benkay those crazy chinese http://www.coindesk.com/chinese-bitcoin-exchange-okcoin-accused-faking-trading-data/ [23:11]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 402 @ 0.00043098 = 0.1733 BTC [-] {4} [23:25]
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