Forum logs for 21 Dec 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
jurov yeah, i'd be rather be fucking with something else, but that will be, too. [00:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5395 @ 0.00062 = 3.3449 BTC [+] [00:03]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00062 = 4.34 BTC [+] [00:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10490 @ 0.00062 = 6.5038 BTC [+] [00:07]
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jurov https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/46399_233110583489421_1490839577_n.jpg [00:14]
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thestringpuller its 12 21 in new zealand already so, uh whatever [00:17]
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Bugpowder ;ticker [00:26]
Bugpowder ;;ticker [00:26]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.58001, Best ask: 13.63999, Bid-ask spread: 0.05998, Last trade: 13.56001, 24 hour volume: 36180.25779632, 24 hour low: 13.32591, 24 hour high: 13.72000, 24 hour vwap: 13.52947 [00:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00062 = 6.262 BTC [+] [00:27]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00062 = 4.867 BTC [+] [00:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00062 = 2.852 BTC [+] [00:38]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00062 = 2.883 BTC [+] [00:53]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 320 @ 0.18066152 = 57.8117 BTC [-] [00:55]
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thestringpuller ;;ticker [00:59]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.57214, Best ask: 13.59090, Bid-ask spread: 0.01876, Last trade: 13.57214, 24 hour volume: 37126.85270592, 24 hour low: 13.32591, 24 hour high: 13.72000, 24 hour vwap: 13.53985 [00:59]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00062 = 2.232 BTC [+] [01:00]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [01:13]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.58001, Best ask: 13.59900, Bid-ask spread: 0.01899, Last trade: 13.59890, 24 hour volume: 37146.18653791, 24 hour low: 13.32591, 24 hour high: 13.72000, 24 hour vwap: 13.54030 [01:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2242 @ 0.00062 = 1.39 BTC [+] [01:24]
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smickles thestringpuller: ya know, rather than doing multiple ;;tickers, if all you want is up to date exchange rates, /j #bitcoin-market [01:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11237 @ 0.00062 = 6.9669 BTC [+] [01:30]
thestringpuller im driving [01:31]
mod6 there is a bitcoin price widget too for android. [01:38]
mod6 check that out later when your velocity is lower. [01:39]
* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [09:58]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: http://polimedia.us/mpex || https://coinbr.com || https://cryptostocks.com || https://icbit.se || https://therocktrading.com || https://assets-otc.com || https://www.havelockinvestments.com || https://bitfunder.com || list bot commands: !help || Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades || Net Chart: http://bit.ly/RPclBi [09:58]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Fri Dec 7 19:23:56 2012 [09:58]
mircea_popescu smickles yes. jurov's representation is muchly exagerated :D [09:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4976 @ 0.00062 = 3.0851 BTC [+] [10:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14393 @ 0.00062 = 8.9237 BTC [+] [10:28]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4232 @ 0.00062 = 2.6238 BTC [+] [10:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00062 = 5.022 BTC [+] [10:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1795 @ 0.00350019 = 6.2828 BTC [+] [10:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1768 @ 0.00350489 = 6.1966 BTC [+] [10:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00357336 = 2.144 BTC [+] [10:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 837 @ 0.0036 = 3.0132 BTC [+] [10:59]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1000 @ 0.24539864 = 245.3986 BTC [-] [11:08]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1000 @ 0.17780145 = 177.8015 BTC [-] [11:08]
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assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 1000 @ 0.12218421 = 122.1842 BTC [+] [11:32]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1000 @ 0.17711205 = 177.1121 BTC [-] [11:32]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1000 @ 0.24469787 = 244.6979 BTC [-] [11:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 5 @ 0.00331001 = 0.0166 BTC [-] [11:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00062 = 3.689 BTC [+] [11:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13208 @ 0.00062 = 8.189 BTC [+] [11:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00062 = 2.17 BTC [+] [11:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00062 = 4.712 BTC [+] [11:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00062 = 2.511 BTC [+] [12:01]
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assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C150T] 370 @ 0.02807186 = 10.3866 BTC [-] [12:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6843 @ 0.00062 = 4.2427 BTC [+] [12:24]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.48844982 = 488.4498 BTC [-] [12:26]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.41387733 = 413.8773 BTC [-] [12:26]
mircea_popescu Unfortunately, I have very bad news. I cannot currently proccess your withdrawals. The situation is very complicated and it's all my fault, that's why I feel terrible about it. I tried to make this up, to keep the site afloat and somehow recover the funds, but it's not possible anymore. Right now there are 1786 BTC pending withdrawal, which I can't honor... [12:29]
mircea_popescu bitmarket.eu is screwed. [12:29]
sgnb mircea_popescu: will it be fixed eventually? [12:31]
mircea_popescu i don't think so. [12:31]
mircea_popescu and tbh i think keeping money in anything other than mtgox and those frenchypoofs with the eu partnership is at this point cruising for a bruising. [12:32]
mircea_popescu the exchange market is going out of the "we can do anything" phase, there's no room left for one man and his hopes operations. which means pretty much all the extant ones will close down, and likely miost of them will close down ugly. [12:33]
mircea_popescu spot sellers a la d&t DBordello etc are probably safe for a while yet, but in general it's a closing window. [12:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00062 = 2.418 BTC [+] [12:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00062 = 5.053 BTC [+] [12:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4254 @ 0.00062 = 2.6375 BTC [+] [12:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7018 @ 0.00062 = 4.3512 BTC [+] [12:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6630 @ 0.00062 = 4.1106 BTC [+] [12:57]
sgnb mircea_popescu: you lost BTC because of bitmarket.eu? is there any public announcement of issues on their side? [13:06]
mircea_popescu i lost nothing [13:07]
mircea_popescu i saw the announcement, not sure if it was published [13:07]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/and-another-one-bites-the-dust-bitmarketeu/ there it is quoted and adnotated. [13:07]
mircea_popescu nm, it was announced i'm told. here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5441.msg1413156#msg1413156 [13:08]
sgnb oh [13:08]
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sgnb you were quoting [13:09]
* sgnb thought mircea_popescu was yet another scammer... [13:09]
mircea_popescu ... [13:09]
mircea_popescu lmao! [13:10]
sgnb yeah, me too [13:10]
mircea_popescu what is with this expectation! it's getting ridiculous [13:10]
sgnb well, everything in bitcoinland is a scam, isn't it? :-) [13:11]
mircea_popescu in fairness, i should probably learn about quotation marks [13:11]
mircea_popescu but you know... i was here before pirate. some people preferred bitcoinica to mpoe. those people got screwed. it was a choice tho wasn't it. [13:11]
Graet um yeah, i misunderstood too, was looking in forum for your announce mircea_popescu [13:12]
mircea_popescu well at any rate i'm not going bust over 1700 btc omfg. [13:12]
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markedathome um... "there are 20161 19980 BTC missing (edit: I subtracted my funds that also were deposited on Bitmarket), and Bitcoinica claims total for around 50K USD" [13:17]
markedathome 20161 is crossed out [13:17]
mircea_popescu basically, he was trading 20k of OPM on the strenght of 180 of his own [13:18]
mircea_popescu this is 100:1 [13:18]
mircea_popescu and then took that leverage and did a 5:1 on top of it at bitcoinica [13:18]
mircea_popescu this is 500:1. [13:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3774 @ 0.00062 = 2.3399 BTC [+] [13:18]
mircea_popescu i do not know anyone who ever did this before. ever. [13:18]
markedathome OPM? [13:18]
mircea_popescu and he says he has experience. yet even hedge funds stop shy of 100:! [13:18]
mircea_popescu other people's money. [13:19]
markedathome oh, other people's money [13:19]
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mircea_popescu http://bitcoinstatus.rowit.co.uk/hosts.html isn't this mildly concerning ? [13:38]
mircea_popescu bitcoin had ~60k hosts last sept but is around 18k now [13:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3026 @ 0.00062 = 1.8761 BTC [+] [13:45]
EskimoBob it's actually getting better, slowly, but still better than July/August [13:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3634 @ 0.00062 = 2.2531 BTC [+] [13:47]
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assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P130T] 700 @ 0.05261037 = 36.8273 BTC [-] [13:48]
jurov ;;seen rg [13:48]
gribble rg was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 14 hours, 9 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: good times [13:48]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00062 = 2.48 BTC [+] [14:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P140T] 1000 @ 0.08460123 = 84.6012 BTC [-] [14:28]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00062 = 5.766 BTC [+] [14:42]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00062 = 4.092 BTC [+] [14:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00062 = 5.766 BTC [+] [14:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00062 = 8.37 BTC [+] [15:05]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00062 = 1.674 BTC [+] [15:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5776 @ 0.00062 = 3.5811 BTC [+] [15:31]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00062 = 8.99 BTC [+] [16:04]
markedathome mircea_popescu: people dropping bitcoin-client for electrum/armory/ webwallets? [16:08]
mircea_popescu must be [16:09]
mircea_popescu kinda sucky tho. [16:09]
markedathome though i am getting annoyed with electrum - what is it with "developers" using glorified text files as a database? [16:10]
jurov hehe, good apology: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=123492.msg1412053#msg1412053 [16:12]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtG3HywuYlE [16:13]
mircea_popescu ahaha this is funny [16:13]
mircea_popescu "The percentage of working age Americans with a job has been under 59 percent for 39 months in a row." [16:14]
mircea_popescu jurov lol miracea ;/ [16:14]
mircea_popescu for my sins [16:14]
* Ukto renames mircea_popescu to Miracea [16:15]
Ukto Can be your sister [16:15]
mircea_popescu i was perturbed enough a year or so ago when i found out who mircea monroe is [16:15]
Ukto shres pretty hot [16:16]
mircea_popescu yeah. [16:16]
jurov yes. wait when usagi finds out [16:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00062 = 6.169 BTC [+] [16:17]
mircea_popescu o boy. [16:17]
Ukto you should use her imdb pic as your profile pic. REALLY confuse ppl. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1597260/ [16:17]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2010/mircea-mircea-monroe/ i think those are better [16:17]
mircea_popescu but yea, i'd do her. [16:17]
mircea_popescu and we could have babies and name them all mircea mircea [16:17]
mircea_popescu the girls could be mircea mircea after their mother [16:18]
mircea_popescu and the boys mircea mircea after me [16:18]
jurov so you'll change last name to mircea too? [16:19]
mircea_popescu what last names. they're going out of fashion. [16:19]
mircea_popescu "eNumbered is the choice of Occupy, Anonymous and Silk Road users." << ahaha people are seriously retarded enough to think this is a selling point ? [16:19]
mircea_popescu "use the same currency poor people use!!!" [16:19]
mircea_popescu 100% backed by gold, 1.25% monthly guaranteed. [16:20]
mircea_popescu apparently they've taken egold and added some ponzi to the mix. [16:20]
markedathome that sounds vaguely solidcoin2.0ish - does it have account depreciation built in as well? [16:22]
mircea_popescu not yet. possibly once they find the solidcoin forums [16:23]
* Ukto only appreciates a few ppl. Generally I depreciate people. [16:23]
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Ukto hey guys [16:30]
Ukto how bad is usagi? [16:30]
Ukto scammer tag wise? [16:30]
Ukto I hear ppl make scam accusations, and other sregard him decently [16:30]
Ukto he hasasked to list BMF on BF [16:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1100 @ 0.00062 = 0.682 BTC [+] [16:31]
thestringpuller he owes me 20btc [16:31]
Ukto does he have plans to pay back? [16:31]
thestringpuller from his "insured fund" [16:31]
Ukto which fund [16:31]
thestringpuller i wrote it off [16:32]
thestringpuller nyan.a [16:32]
Ukto i mean [16:33]
Ukto he doesnt even have a scammer tag (yet) [16:33]
Ukto and wrote he is trying to make good on BMF [16:33]
Anduck bmf? [16:33]
Ukto yea [16:34]
thestringpuller he wants to liquidate [16:34]
thestringpuller dont let him list [16:34]
Ukto why bother relisting then? [16:34]
thestringpuller smickles had a loan defaulted from him [16:35]
thestringpuller and so on [16:35]
thestringpuller all bad experiences [16:35]
thestringpuller no good can come of listing his assets [16:35]
Ukto smickles: ? [16:35]
Anduck what is bmf, Ukto? [16:36]
Ukto some asset usagi has been running [16:36]
Ukto i am looking into it now [16:36]
Anduck yes but what kind of [16:36]
Anduck where the asset invested? [16:36]
Ukto as soon as I find the thread ill tell you :P [16:36]
Anduck alright [16:37]
thestringpuller miing bonds [16:37]
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thestringpuller smickles is mircea's broker [16:37]
Anduck ahh [16:37]
Anduck yes [16:37]
Anduck is smickles legit? [16:38]
Ukto very [16:38]
Anduck good. [16:38]
Anduck how many of you know him irl? [16:38]
Ukto I havent personally seen anything negative re: smickles. only positive++ [16:38]
Ukto thestringpuller: here is how I am seeing it [16:39]
Ukto If he's listng just to liquidate, (he is already offered to pay the listing fee to use the service so meh), but.. even if its liquidation, at least it will help the community get something back [16:40]
Ukto rather than all exchanges turning him down [16:40]
Ukto and he says fuck it and buys nothing back [16:40]
Anduck why did it got messed up? [16:40]
Anduck GLBSE or piratE? [16:40]
Ukto i have no idea [16:40]
thestringpuller dude he should liquidate off exchangr [16:40]
Ukto i cant find a detailed thread [16:40]
thestringpuller and buy liquidate i mean bankruptcy [16:40]
thestringpuller by* [16:40]
thestringpuller his asets are no good [16:41]
thestringpuller he has too much debt [16:41]
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mircea_popescu Ukto well, he's nutty and fucked up a set of imaginary assets. [16:46]
mircea_popescu you're probably looking at more drama than it's worth. [16:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24595 @ 0.00062 = 15.2489 BTC [+] [16:47]
mircea_popescu Anduck he had a miningthing (bmf), an insurance thing (cpa) and a braindamaged cdo thing (nyan series) [16:47]
mircea_popescu none of these actually ever did what they were supposed to. the bmf thing never had actual mining gear, for isntance. [16:47]
mircea_popescu that as to usagi. [16:47]
mircea_popescu as to smickles i never met him irl but he's been my broker for a while and upstanding. [16:48]
Anduck are _you_ trusted? [16:48]
Anduck who are you? [16:48]
Anduck what do you do? [16:48]
mircea_popescu o.o [16:48]
Anduck what makes you trustful? [16:48]
mircea_popescu well, i am the mircea popescu of MPEx. [16:48]
Anduck i know [16:48]
mircea_popescu a ok. so that's what i do. [16:49]
Anduck what makes people trust you? [16:49]
mircea_popescu mmm. prolly best ask them ? [16:49]
Anduck don't you know yourself?? [16:49]
mircea_popescu ;;getrating mircea_popescu [16:49]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User mircea_popescu, rated since Fri Jul 22 08:04:26 2011. Cumulative rating 100, from 46 total ratings. Received ratings: 45 positive, 1 negative. Sent ratings: 56 positive, 7 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=mircea_popescu [16:49]
mircea_popescu there's a list. [16:49]
Anduck do people know you irl? [16:49]
mircea_popescu btc people ? not rly. [16:49]
Anduck ok [16:50]
mircea_popescu but if you come by timisoara you can buy me a drink. [16:51]
Anduck well why do people trust you [16:51]
Anduck if i made a exchange and named it "anducks exchange" , would people use i? [16:51]
mircea_popescu possibly not at first. it's been going for a while tho. [16:51]
Graet lol [16:51]
Graet trust is built [16:52]
Anduck well [16:52]
Graet people act in a trustworthy way and people trust them [16:52]
thestringpuller mircea makes me money [16:52]
mircea_popescu Graet his q is pretty stumping tho. i mean, why do people trust one! [16:52]
Anduck pirate built a nice trust and then boom scammed [16:52]
thestringpuller usagi loses me money [16:52]
thestringpuller do the math [16:52]
Anduck thestringpuller: i guess pirate made you monies too xD [16:52]
Graet asking someone why ppl trust them is a rather loaded question [16:52]
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Anduck well [16:52]
Anduck Graet: have you met him irl? [16:52]
Graet ask some of the ppl that trust him why they do would makle more sense :) [16:52]
thestringpuller pirate lost me money and i had 0 exposure [16:52]
Anduck do you even know where he lives? [16:52]
Anduck what makes him not to run with your moeny? [16:53]
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mircea_popescu i think some people met pirate or else someone hired for the job at some point [16:53]
Graet no, but i havent met you either, nor most of the 150 odd ppl that trust me and mine on my pool [16:53]
Anduck people STILL think pirate will come back and pay-WILL HE? [16:53]
jcpham so i'm reading this vladimir vs. magazine thread [16:53]
Anduck yeah they met pirate [16:53]
Graet 250* [16:53]
Anduck they met pirate and so pirate got like 100k more btc from them or something [16:53]
Graet so meeting someone proves? [16:53]
mircea_popescu Graet arguably tho, much less trust is needed to mine on a pool. at most they lose a few day's hash [16:53]
Graet indeed [16:54]
mircea_popescu then again, there was that pool-cum-ponzi combo recently [16:54]
Graet my point is trust is built, not just given [16:54]
mircea_popescu that's for sure. [16:54]
thestringpuller Ukto: usagi run assets are bad news but dont take our word for it [16:54]
Anduck Graet: well do you have any kind of agreement on anything [16:54]
mircea_popescu moreover, if someone knew why people trust them they could hack more trust i guess [16:54]
Graet Anduck, agreement with who? [16:54]
Anduck i mean.. with mircea_popescu [16:54]
Graet no [16:54]
Anduck what if mircea_popescu now took all the monies xD [16:54]
mircea_popescu agreement to what ? [16:54]
Anduck and ran [16:55]
Anduck mircea_popescu: tell me what makes you not to run with the money? [16:55]
Graet he interviewed me for his magazine ~ 18 months ago [16:55]
mircea_popescu nothing makes me. [16:55]
Graet apart from that we have cjhatted on irc. i dont see your point [16:55]
mircea_popescu hence trust. [16:55]
mircea_popescu Graet o right i recall! [16:55]
Graet ;) [16:55]
Anduck well [16:55]
Anduck people trusted _some random guy from internet_ with their life savings (btcst) [16:56]
Anduck wasnt it enough a lesson [16:56]
Anduck ? [16:56]
Graet indeed [16:56]
Graet i wasnt one... [16:56]
Anduck i am not saying mircea_popescu isnt trustful [16:56]
Anduck me neither [16:56]
mircea_popescu Anduck people get divorced all the time, is that a lesson not to get married ? [16:56]
Anduck duh [16:56]
Graet fuck yeah [16:56]
Anduck bad example! [16:56]
Graet i need a 2nd [16:56]
Graet divorce that is [16:57]
Graet :P [16:57]
mircea_popescu lol ok [16:57]
mircea_popescu ok, i got a better one maybe. cars crash all the time, is that a lesson not to drive ? [16:57]
Anduck lol [16:57]
Anduck but you drive the car yourself [16:57]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131608.msg1413383#msg1413383 is roger ver milking the forum for lulz by now ? [16:58]
mircea_popescu Anduck for some values of "yourself". [16:58]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00062 = 8.401 BTC [+] [17:06]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: [17:07]
thestringpuller i made a script to tell me how much mobey youve made based on the shares left [17:08]
thestringpuller 1800 btc richer ;) [17:08]
thestringpuller err 6200* [17:09]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker (10000000-6702311)* 0.00062 [17:09]
gribble (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid (1 more message) [17:09]
mircea_popescu ;;calc (10000000-6702311)* 0.00062 [17:09]
gribble 2044.56718 [17:09]
mircea_popescu bout 2k [17:09]
mircea_popescu incidentally, maybe this is a good answer for anduck [17:10]
mircea_popescu i'm currently worth some 10s of k's in cash and some 100s of k's in stock [17:11]
mircea_popescu it makes no sense to run off. [17:11]
thestringpuller you are retired [17:11]
thestringpuller where would you run too? [17:11]
thestringpuller to* [17:11]
Anduck sell all shit n run like ni...ni...nig....RUNN!! [17:12]
mircea_popescu i was, but i came back out of it. [17:12]
mircea_popescu nobody can stay retired for long before they're 60 or so i don't think [17:12]
thestringpuller wise words [17:30]
jcpham i'm sortof getting bored with all of this [17:31]
mircea_popescu all of it ? [17:33]
mircea_popescu here, feel better http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/135610253771.gif [17:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8908 @ 0.00062 = 5.523 BTC [+] [17:35]
jurov coinbr.com now working...outside bitvps [17:35]
jurov live.coinbr.com not yet [17:36]
jurov whole thing is such a farce...james did not pay for internet conenciton to switzerland datacenter [17:37]
jurov he is noit reachable now and new owners supposedly can't do anything about that [17:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30710 @ 0.00062 = 19.0402 BTC [+] [17:37]
jcpham i payed it last month btw [17:40]
jcpham switzerland [17:40]
pigeons will new owners trigger section "g" of the S.BVPS? [17:40]
jcpham if I hadn't rebooted my PC in the last month [17:41]
jcpham I'd have the swiss login [17:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00062 = 3.875 BTC [+] [17:41]
Ukto As of this point, I am waiting for Usagi's ticket reply [17:41]
Ukto on what his plans are for sure [17:41]
mircea_popescu uh [17:43]
mircea_popescu pigeons quite possibly. giving them a little time to come up with proper reports and everything [17:44]
mircea_popescu my understanding is rg's records were messy. [17:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00062 = 10.168 BTC [+] [17:45]
jcpham i've paid the swiss bill 3 times now [17:47]
jcpham if that tells you anything [17:47]
jcpham 2x i had to find out from rg that the bill was due [17:48]
jcpham and that's why my vps was offline [17:48]
jurov and new owners knew nary of that? [17:49]
jcpham sorry i'll stfu [17:49]
jcpham shrug [17:49]
jcpham i've already grpp'd my logs and i don't have th login info anymore to pay it again [17:50]
jcpham i had it in a pm but it is gone now [17:50]
JWU_42 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75867.msg1413513#msg1413513 [17:50]
JWU_42 apologies it got to this for those who invested [17:50]
jcpham ty [17:51]
JWU_42 jcpham: appreciate your patience with this... [17:51]
jcpham i'm fine [17:52]
jcpham tbh if you never pay i won't complain [17:52]
jurov jcpham, okay but you're the owner? or why does namjies &co act surprised over this? [17:52]
jcpham sorry jurov i know nothing [17:52]
jcpham i own nothing [17:52]
jcpham my swiss vps has been offline 3x now and i've payed the bill to get it backonline [17:53]
jcpham rg gave me bitcoins [17:53]
jcpham for my services [17:53]
jcpham and by "payed the bill" I payed the swiss datacenter to get everyone's vps's back running [17:53]
jcpham rg seemed to forget about switzerland [17:54]
JWU_42 jcpham: I might need to take you up on that depending how this goes ;) [17:54]
jcpham we're talking maybe 10btc total [17:55]
JWU_42 that is NOT the plan, however [17:55]
jcpham which i want but it isn't going to help or hurt me [17:55]
JWU_42 jcpham: yeah [17:55]
Ukto [09:43] will new owners trigger section "g" of the S.BVPS? <-- I musta missed something, did RG sell? [17:55]
JWU_42 the most vocal people are folks with <100 shares [17:55]
jcpham silliness JWU42 [17:55]
jcpham _ [17:55]
jcpham at one point in time at close 1000 shares [17:56]
jcpham but i sold them [17:56]
JWU_42 I understand their frustration - I lost out on several GLBSE assets as well - but like you - for a dozen or so BTC - not worth the emotional energy to spaz over it [17:56]
JWU_42 but everyone has their right to be pissed [17:57]
jcpham people need their drugs off sr [17:57]
jcpham baaaad [17:57]
JWU_42 heh [17:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00062 = 3.596 BTC [+] [17:57]
mircea_popescu jcpham maybe you should get in touch with ajit/namjies ? [18:00]
jurov we're all so in touch [18:01]
jurov already [18:01]
pigeons rg not meticulous with paperwork? no way [18:07]
thestringpuller bitcoin d is cool as shit [18:08]
thestringpuller jurov [18:08]
thestringpuller i herd you have a coinbr api :P [18:08]
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mircea_popescu pigeons ikr, fud [18:13]
jurov thestringpuller, not yet. i was just waiting for someone to ask for it [18:14]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6662 @ 0.00062 = 4.1304 BTC [+] [18:15]
mircea_popescu soo, Anduck and co made it in a new post. [18:18]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/is-smpoe-really-worth-that-much/ [18:18]
mircea_popescu it's long but i really want to hear what the wise think. [18:18]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller, not yet. i was just waiting for someone to ask for it <<< haha good policy. [18:18]
Anduck mircea_popescu? [18:18]
Anduck yay [18:19]
Anduck man i made it in the post [18:20]
mircea_popescu :p [18:20]
Anduck damn irc logs can be pasted anywhere!! [18:21]
Anduck u included my jokes in it! goddamnyou" [18:21]
Anduck well its ok [18:21]
Anduck monies and the nignigrun [18:22]
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Anduck hmmm.. [18:24]
mircea_popescu lol [18:24]
Anduck btw mircea_popescu: what makes mpex superior to other exchanges?? [18:24]
mircea_popescu http://mpex.co/faq.html#14 [18:24]
Anduck ok [18:25]
Anduck =) [18:25]
EskimoBob lol [18:30]
jurov Double Cherry Truck insignia? [18:30]
jurov every time i reread the faq, a new surprise [18:31]
thestringpuller ;;tslb [18:32]
gribble Time since last block: 31 minutes and 26 seconds [18:32]
mircea_popescu jurov :D [18:32]
thestringpuller cause no one expects the spanish inquisition [18:34]
mircea_popescu JWU42 what's the total yabmc story ? about 20k or so ? [18:36]
Anduck mircea_popescu: wtf is that crap doing in the FAQ page [18:38]
Anduck "awards" and other stuff that makes "REAL WORLD PEOPLE" think it as a joke [18:38]
Anduck one running a system like that should not treat is as a joke in any way [18:39]
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mircea_popescu i guess it makes real world people think of it as a joke. [18:39]
mircea_popescu because why ? [18:39]
Anduck tell me [18:39]
Anduck i mean - it just seems to me like some kid made a site ....... [18:39]
Anduck well if you want people to use your service [18:40]
Anduck it's not the best way to also make people interested in BTC [18:40]
Anduck when all the services are semi-jokes [18:40]
mircea_popescu i guess is the advantage of the rich - they see more humour in life ? [18:40]
Anduck well , might be [18:40]
mircea_popescu what;s the problem with a little fun ? [18:40]
Anduck some may think it's too much fun [18:41]
mircea_popescu here's the difference : this service is doing things right and has a little humour. the others are mostly humourless hacks doing things wrong. [18:41]
mircea_popescu trying too hard is a failure mode. [18:41]
Anduck mmmhh [18:42]
jurov actually most other sites look like they are made by kids [18:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00062 = 4.278 BTC [+] [18:42]
EskimoBob Anduck: if someone (mircea_popescu) writes about himself in third person, you know something is off. Especially, if they plaster their own name on every silly thing they think they "invented". [18:45]
EskimoBob lol [18:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 179 @ 0.00358628 = 0.6419 BTC [-] [18:46]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: who are the 5 other businesses [18:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00062 = 8.835 BTC [+] [18:48]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller hard to say. mtgox and sdice are there for sure. [18:49]
mircea_popescu possibly the one asic maker that actually delivers is there too [18:49]
mircea_popescu we just don't know yet. [18:49]
Ukto ROFLOL [18:49]
mircea_popescu maybe one or two miners [18:49]
Ukto LTC-Global created security BMF [18:49]
mircea_popescu sr, possibly. [18:49]
Ukto oh well [18:49]
Ukto dont care [18:49]
EskimoBob LOL [18:49]
mircea_popescu which one is bmf again ? usagi ? [18:50]
Ukto I guess that was Usagi's response to "What are your plans for BMF?" [18:50]
Ukto He opened a ticket on BF wanting to list BMF [18:50]
Ukto mircea_popescu: yes [18:50]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: code trading [18:50]
thestringpuller thats the next big business [18:50]
thestringpuller and review [18:50]
thestringpuller like you said [18:50]
jurov meh. i'll believe it once someone licenses coinbr code at fair price [18:51]
mircea_popescu i sent rowit.co.uk folks a mail see if they're up for it [18:51]
Ukto ROFLOL: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88008.msg1413640#msg1413640 [18:53]
Ukto someones getting jealous :P [18:54]
Ukto unless crypto posted something that I somehow missed, and he doesnt want to link [18:54]
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thestringpuller ;;tslb [19:17]
gribble Time since last block: 6 minutes and 1 second [19:18]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [19:18]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.54311, Best ask: 13.54999, Bid-ask spread: 0.00688, Last trade: 13.54311, 24 hour volume: 28976.00583363, 24 hour low: 13.41999, 24 hour high: 13.64750, 24 hour vwap: 13.55264 [19:18]
smickles what? i see c11, c12, c13 and they skipped c14 (where my orders are) and went to c15! [19:19]
smickles lolercakes [19:20]
smickles < Ukto> smickles: ? << what's up? [19:21]
smickles < Anduck> how many of you know him irl? << probably none, you anywhere near tucson AZ? [19:22]
thestringpuller smickles [19:22]
Anduck im in fin [19:22]
thestringpuller i havr order for you lok [19:22]
thestringpuller lol [19:22]
mircea_popescu smickles i think those were sells, by the price [19:26]
mircea_popescu were you buying ? [19:26]
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Ukto smickles: Usagi had opened a ticket on BF asking to list BMF. I replied asking what his intentions were with the asset. He seems to have a pretty questionable history. [19:27]
Ukto I got an email from btct.co a few min ago saying that BMF had been listed. [19:28]
smickles mircea_popescu: oh, I guess that would've missed me anyway then :P [19:28]
Ukto So I guess he didnt wanna answer my question. :P [19:28]
smickles yeah, don't question usagi if you want him to pretend to do something [19:29]
mircea_popescu lol [19:29]
* Ukto srhugs, I could honestly care less [19:29]
Ukto I dont midn shrugging the scamish assets onto the others [19:29]
Ukto It's really more of a positive thing I think [19:30]
Ukto :P [19:30]
smickles anyway, i think my WoT rating of him puts my position clearly, he defaulted, an made good after default, but that's no reason for me to trust him now. [19:30]
Ukto at least he made good so *shrug* [19:31]
Ukto defaulting seems to have happened more than once for him in the past. [19:31]
PsychoticBoy I want to get rid of 115 gigamining shares since I am not going to send my personal information to a kid behind his computer calling himself a lawyer, someone wants to take them [19:32]
mircea_popescu iirc you can't do that. [19:33]
smickles i bet you can with psy's life rights or something [19:33]
smickles power of attorney in this matter [19:33]
smickles is romainia like a weekend trip's distance from finland? [19:34]
Anduck yeah [19:35]
Anduck whatcha need? [19:36]
Anduck 1k btc aaand i'll do it [19:36]
Anduck (includes tickets to there and back + a simple job with no harm to anyone) [19:36]
mircea_popescu i think it's like 10-12 hours on train [19:36]
mircea_popescu europe has excellent trains [19:36]
Anduck its more i guess [19:36]
Anduck well yeah [19:36]
mircea_popescu being high density unlike the us [19:36]
EskimoBob Ukto: is BMF getting re-listed? Oh nooo.... :) I hope usagi has learned something from his previous fuck ups [19:37]
mircea_popescu ;;google distance timisoara Espoo [19:37]
gribble Booking.com: Hotel Continental, TimiÅŸoara, Romania - 185 Guest ...: ; Jari Saarinen - AS-laitos - Aalto-yliopisto: ; IEEE Xplore - Intelligent Computer Communication and Processing ...: [19:37]
mircea_popescu pff [19:37]
Ukto https://btct.co/security/BMF [19:38]
PsychoticBoy wow usagi returns? [19:38]
smickles Anduck: well, yeah, i was going to suggest you find out if mircea_popescu actually has a sex dungeon, but I wasn't going to pay hardly any btc to help out the venture. [19:39]
Ukto read the asset details [19:39]
Ukto its funny [19:39]
Ukto :P [19:39]
Ukto you will get some laughs [19:39]
EskimoBob you understand that you have to go to Russia or take 2 boats, if you want to use a train for that [19:39]
mircea_popescu 2.2k km [19:39]
mircea_popescu you just ferry across to like estonia [19:39]
PsychoticBoy omg the saga continues [19:40]
EskimoBob lol, sure [19:40]
mircea_popescu smickles : send the missus, i send back pics ? [19:40]
smickles sounds like a plan [19:41]
smickles :P [19:41]
EskimoBob PsychoticBoy: sounds like it. Round #2, lots of miscalculated NAV's and other BS :) [19:41]
mircea_popescu something like http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/135186901024.jpg [19:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5366 @ 0.00062 = 3.3269 BTC [+] [19:42]
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smickles mircea_popescu: hmm, i see several better sticks available [19:45]
mircea_popescu before or after ? [19:45]
PsychoticBoy Explain how your products and services are competitive. [19:46]
PsychoticBoy --- Nobody could compete with us when I listed on the GLBSE, We blew MU, SS, [19:46]
PsychoticBoy MINING and other funds out of the water. We were about 5 times bigger than every [19:46]
PsychoticBoy other fund on GLBSE put together (from what I've seen of people's balance [19:46]
PsychoticBoy statements). For some reason or other, people liked how I ran things. [19:46]
PsychoticBoy lollol [19:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00062 = 3.534 BTC [+] [19:46]
PsychoticBoy my FDBF was far more better [19:47]
EskimoBob lol "(Have to admit, I wasn't expecting this, and I lost the original BMF contract [19:47]
EskimoBob when GLBSE went down. I'll propose this, and I'd like to make any changes you [19:47]
EskimoBob suggest)" [19:47]
mircea_popescu lol wait, usagi was ever big ? [19:47]
mircea_popescu iirc never over 1-2k btc, was he ? [19:47]
EskimoBob I guess this is what you get, when you delete your own posts [19:47]
PsychoticBoy big jerk [19:47]
mircea_popescu dmc was 5x that when it started ffs. [19:47]
EskimoBob mircea_popescu: total was about 8K BTC [19:47]
mircea_popescu total cpa + nyan + bmf [19:47]
smickles lol, SS stayed small intentionally [19:48]
mircea_popescu lol he blew ss ? [19:48]
mircea_popescu should i snap out the visual aids for that "blew" ? [19:48]
smickles Usagi himself even claimed he wanted to place 10000 btc with us [19:48]
smickles mircea_popescu: use that pic of me with a smirk holding the camera, it's like i'm holding his poney-tails [19:49]
mircea_popescu well, usagi is a valuable dramadition to any exchange that'll have him. [19:49]
smickles http://photobook.bitvps.com/index.php/ [19:51]
mircea_popescu ahahaah remember the good old days [19:51]
mircea_popescu but no, i was thinking more blew in the sense of http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/135601348721.gif [19:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00062 = 3.007 BTC [+] [19:56]
smickles mircea_popescu: Why doesn't MPEx display open interest on options like MPOE used to? [20:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 821 @ 0.00358628 = 2.9443 BTC [-] [20:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 369 @ 0.00355917 = 1.3133 BTC [-] [20:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 410 @ 0.00349819 = 1.4343 BTC [-] [20:10]
thestringpuller boom the short is closed [20:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12621 @ 0.00062 = 7.825 BTC [+] [20:11]
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smickles breaking news, s.mpoe is worth as much as we want to trust mircea_popescu [20:19]
mircea_popescu smickles lol yeah [20:23]
mircea_popescu re the open interest... already so many numbers in there ;/ [20:24]
mircea_popescu re blog comment : for every 500 btc i make smpoe must appreciate by 5k ? is this sustainable ? [20:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.0036 = 5.4 BTC [+] [20:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11475 @ 0.00062 = 7.1145 BTC [+] [20:27]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell namjies https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131922.0 [20:34]
gribble The operation succeeded. [20:34]
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EskimoBob so they are on a verge of going out of business? [20:45]
gigavps who? [20:46]
EskimoBob https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131922.0 [20:46]
EskimoBob sounds really bad [20:46]
* EskimoBob hugs gigavps [20:47]
gigavps huh [20:47]
gigavps did someone steal EskimoBob's handle [20:47]
mircea_popescu EskimoBob tis unclear. new team trying to turn things around [20:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00062 = 3.72 BTC [+] [20:48]
EskimoBob I hope they do and good luck with that. [20:48]
gigavps ;;bc,stats [20:50]
gribble Current Blocks: 213054 | Current Difficulty: 3370181.7992778 | Next Difficulty At Block: 213695 | Next Difficulty In: 641 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 8 hours, 22 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2919948.29465722 | Estimated Percent Change: -13.3593239604 [20:50]
gigavps whoa [20:50]
mircea_popescu jurov live.coinbr.com is down ? [20:50]
mircea_popescu gigavps yes, diff has been dropping steadily. [20:50]
EskimoBob BTW, 5519 shares left and div date is 22 so get in and enjoy [20:50]
EskimoBob something that crawls up at 4-7% per week has to drop sooner or later [20:51]
gigavps EskimoBob i thought you only bought turds, i didn't know you were selling them [20:51]
EskimoBob and after halving... [20:51]
mircea_popescu lol [20:51]
JWU_42 heh [20:51]
* gigavps is kidding of course [20:51]
EskimoBob i do not do mining gigavps so thy can not be turds [20:51]
EskimoBob turd business is all yours, gigavps [20:52]
mircea_popescu i guess everyone was hoping for price spike, that didn'ty happen so miners are going offline [20:52]
EskimoBob :) [20:52]
mircea_popescu worst scenario for btc, but hey. it's what it is. [20:52]
gigavps asic will arrive soon enough [20:52]
mircea_popescu also means miner market is pretty much saturated/no more dollars pouring in [20:52]
JWU_42 ^ +1 [20:52]
mircea_popescu which means asic companies have all the money they will everget, period. [20:52]
EskimoBob and imaginary ASICS have not materialized so what else is there to expect [20:52]
mircea_popescu if they fail to make asics in these runs, there's no asics in 2013 at all. [20:53]
mircea_popescu and i suspect this is the more likely outcome. [20:53]
JWU_42 no asic in 2013 = butthurt for me [20:53]
EskimoBob 2013 Feb. is the most optimistic [20:53]
* JWU_42 nods [20:54]
EskimoBob so it's more like May if history repeats... and it usually does [20:54]
gigavps lol [20:54]
mircea_popescu EskimoBob may is impossible. either jan, feb or march in degrading order of likeliness [20:54]
mircea_popescu or else next year. [20:54]
gigavps EskimoBob does have a point there [20:55]
mircea_popescu all this due to capital constraints [20:55]
JWU_42 well - October/November = Feb/March for BFL [20:55]
JWU_42 this was proven before [20:55]
JWU_42 ;) [20:55]
gigavps has bASIC stopped communicating all together? [20:55]
JWU_42 bASIC is Thom? [20:55]
gigavps saw a couple posts of disgrunted people in the forums [20:55]
gigavps yep [20:55]
kakobrekla money flow cumulative is at all time high [20:56]
gigavps i do find it interesting that he was only active when he wanted everyone's money [20:56]
JWU_42 and saw they are rebuying (or he) fpga stuff at $.20 on the dollar [20:56]
kakobrekla buyers still buying [20:56]
JWU_42 maybe my numbers are a tad off [20:56]
gigavps kakobrekla where did you get that stat? [20:56]
mircea_popescu tbh i think we are headed for a recession. [20:56]
kakobrekla hold on [20:56]
* JWU_42 nods (unfortunately) [20:57]
kakobrekla http://shrani.si/f/36/Ao/4Zj9Ykv7/mfchigh.png [20:59]
kakobrekla there ya go gigavps [20:59]
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gigavps blue == buy? [20:59]
kakobrekla red is price [20:59]
kakobrekla blue is money flow [20:59]
gigavps wow [21:00]
gigavps it's higher than at the $29 peak [21:00]
kakobrekla i told you it is all time high [21:00]
gigavps holy fuckballs [21:00]
JWU_42 this from Gox? [21:01]
gigavps so the moneyflow scale is on the right? [21:01]
kakobrekla yes gox [21:01]
JWU_42 might color the axis red and blue [21:01]
gigavps left [21:01]
JWU_42 make it easier to discern [21:01]
kakobrekla left is money flow right is price [21:01]
gigavps kk [21:01]
kakobrekla btw [21:01]
kakobrekla money flow oscilator owns with bitcoin [21:02]
kakobrekla ;) [21:02]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla im not sure i trust that data. [21:02]
kakobrekla k [21:02]
JWU_42 interefsting that price hasn't moved much despite the moneyflow [21:02]
JWU_42 last time you had this moneyflow price went up about 4x [21:03]
kakobrekla its pooling data with sierra chart plugin [21:03]
kakobrekla so data is fine [21:03]
mircea_popescu for one, outflow far exceeds total inflow at most points. [21:03]
mircea_popescu this is a logical impossibility [21:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00062 = 0.93 BTC [+] [21:03]
JWU_42 makes sense [21:03]
JWU_42 taking BTC to USD [21:04]
JWU_42 or some other currency [21:04]
kakobrekla volume made on uptick is bull on downtick is bear [21:04]
mircea_popescu outflow is outflow [21:04]
JWU_42 maybe i am not "getting" the graph [21:04]
mircea_popescu you can't have more outflow than the total inflow to date. [21:04]
thestringpuller sell X.IDIFF.MAR [21:05]
kakobrekla only btc usd on gox [21:05]
kakobrekla not all btc traded every everywhere [21:05]
mircea_popescu even so. [21:05]
JWU_42 mircea_popescu: I see your point... [21:05]
mircea_popescu it would propose most outflow goes through gox but not most inflow, which is nonsense [21:05]
mircea_popescu it's the other way around if anything [21:05]
mircea_popescu gox is used miostly for inflow, people take money out privately. [21:06]
kakobrekla is about the direction of trade [21:06]
mircea_popescu yes. [21:06]
JWU_42 I would think the opposite - most epople sell via mtgox as price is highest (generally) [21:06]
JWU_42 and buy elsewhere where prices are lower [21:06]
mircea_popescu nah cause people don't want the kyc [21:06]
thestringpuller ni [21:06]
thestringpuller no [21:06]
thestringpuller inflow yo [21:06]
mircea_popescu the buyers are many and small timers, the sellers are few and sell large chunks [21:06]
mircea_popescu not the other way around [21:06]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: btc recession? [21:07]
JWU_42 Then I break the rules [21:07]
kakobrekla the chart is fine [21:07]
kakobrekla perhaps we should call it cumulative delta [21:07]
kakobrekla http://www.trade2win.com/articles/1670-trading-cumulative-delta-indicator [21:08]
mircea_popescu JWU42 obviously not actual rules, just tendencies [21:08]
JWU_42 heh [21:08]
JWU_42 I know [21:08]
JWU_42 rules isn't the best word choice [21:08]
mircea_popescu o, well if its +delta then sure. [21:09]
mircea_popescu orders rather than actual trades [21:09]
mircea_popescu that's a sentiment guesser not a historical descriptor. [21:09]
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kakobrekla its trades [21:10]
kakobrekla its actual trades that happend with market orders [21:11]
kakobrekla no limit order data [21:11]
mircea_popescu mmm [21:11]
mircea_popescu how do you even distinguish market from limit orders on mtgox, do they mark them in some api output ? [21:12]
kakobrekla if one buys at market its obvious that on the other side there is a lmit order to be filled [21:12]
mircea_popescu a trade can be eitgher limit crossing limit or market crossing limit [21:12]
mircea_popescu i thought you said above this data is market orders only ? [21:13]
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mircea_popescu in other news, btcjam lol. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112447.msg1413923#msg1413923 [21:13]
kakobrekla with mtgox you cant place a bid limit over ask [21:13]
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mircea_popescu o srsly ? [21:14]
kakobrekla ya [21:14]
mircea_popescu i guess it shows i never use it lol [21:14]
kakobrekla its more useful for btc than anything else [21:16]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13101 @ 0.00062 = 8.1226 BTC [+] [21:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00062 = 2.356 BTC [+] [21:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8848 @ 0.00062 = 5.4858 BTC [+] [21:45]
JWU_42 that btcjam is BAD [21:50]
JWU_42 ugh [21:50]
kakobrekla urlpls [21:51]
JWU_42 the one MP posted just above [21:51]
JWU_42 77% repayment [21:51]
JWU_42 or 23% scam [21:51]
JWU_42 BAD BAD BAD [21:51]
JWU_42 well - maybe not scam [21:52]
JWU_42 but not something that gets me excited to lend [21:52]
mircea_popescu its laughable [21:52]
mircea_popescu works out to like -99% API ? lol [21:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850000 @ 0.00062 = 1767 BTC [+] [22:01]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/is-smpoe-really-worth-that-much/#comment-91079 [22:02]
mircea_popescu lmao this is today's top comedy [22:02]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 420 @ 0.11564518 = 48.571 BTC [-] [22:04]
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Anduck damn you mp [22:09]
Anduck + they talk horribad english [22:09]
Anduck !! [22:09]
mircea_popescu "or you can cover your debts with a loan from yourself by this EU third party whom mystifies stuff, which is state business again.. and any government is fraudulent." [22:09]
mircea_popescu !!! [22:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6483 @ 0.00062 = 4.0195 BTC [+] [22:10]
Anduck mircea_popescu: the first comment. i understood nothing [22:11]
mircea_popescu join the clubn [22:11]
Anduck except the final part, that one i got [22:11]
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smickles jurov: live.coinbr.com down? [22:20]
thestringpuller yea. bitvps [22:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00062 = 6.572 BTC [+] [22:24]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00062 = 4.185 BTC [+] [22:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9098 @ 0.00062 = 5.6408 BTC [+] [22:36]
smickles thestringpuller: I'm chatting here via a bitvps server :o [22:51]
Namjies Not all servers are alright. [22:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00062 = 4.464 BTC [+] [23:00]
mircea_popescu This doesn't mean that it's doom and gloom. (though we've had plenty of that already). What it means is that I won't have time to maintain the miners, keep things running, or run the sites/infrastructure. [23:08]
mircea_popescu So this means either: [23:08]
mircea_popescu A) BTCSYN will be shut down, and we'll figure out a sane way to do that (liquidate and pay out to shareholders using this list) [23:08]
mircea_popescu B) Someone else will need to pick up the torch and continue operation (At the vote of shareholders). [23:08]
mircea_popescu C) Some other alternative I haven't thought of yet. [23:08]
mircea_popescu IF we decide to liquidate (ie no other alternative is presented) be aware that the debt to enterpoint is larger than our current liquid assets, and the liquidatable value of those other 4 boards isn't very high with ASICs around the corner. Ideally another alternative will be possible. We'll see in the newyear. [23:09]
Namjies Good grief... [23:09]
mircea_popescu i forgot the quotes again [23:09]
mircea_popescu IT IS NOT ME GOING OUT OF BUSINESS PEOPLE [23:09]
mircea_popescu I AM QUOTING. [23:09]
mircea_popescu ty. [23:09]
Namjies I usually understand that by the immediately following statement mentionning that X business is going down. [23:10]
mircea_popescu ya well i nearly created a panic yest [23:11]
EskimoBob BTCSYN? [23:11]
Namjies or the failure statement including things that you're not even in business in. [23:11]
mircea_popescu i don't remember who it was i was quoting, but a few people were spooked. [23:11]
mircea_popescu o, the bitcoin-market.eu it was. [23:11]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [23:12]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.47429, Best ask: 13.56797, Bid-ask spread: 0.09368, Last trade: 13.47425, 24 hour volume: 29638.17165934, 24 hour low: 13.41999, 24 hour high: 13.64750, 24 hour vwap: 13.54771 [23:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3986 @ 0.00062 = 2.4713 BTC [+] [23:12]
mircea_popescu !ticker s.mpoe [23:12]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00062 / 0.00062 / 0.00062 (3767064 shares, 2,335.58 BTC), 30day: 0.00049308 / 0.00054214 / 0.00063995 (104595129 shares, 56,705.52 BTC) [23:12]
Namjies There wasn't much in that quote other than money was lost and the business was attempted to be kept afloat to recoup loss through fees or something like that. [23:13]
mircea_popescu ;;calc (0.00062/0.00054214) ** 12 [23:13]
gribble 5.00452492634 [23:13]
Namjies For once that could potentially have been applied to MPEx [23:13]
mircea_popescu 500%. ftw. [23:13]
mircea_popescu Namjies ya, i wasn't too careful. [23:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00062 = 2.046 BTC [+] [23:13]
thestringpuller what if a transaction never gets put into a block? [23:18]
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FabianB_ thestringpuller: make a new transaction with a fee [23:19]
thestringpuller but when will the original transaction die? [23:19]
thestringpuller when it is at 0% network prop? [23:19]
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Namjies a transaction with an higher fee has priority over the same output with a lesser fee, I believe. [23:21]
FabianB_ depends on the miner (or pool), different pools implement it differently i think [23:23]
mircea_popescu a broadcast transaction pretty much never dies if i understand this correctly [23:28]
mircea_popescu unless some of its input is spent [23:28]
kakobrekla ummm [23:29]
kakobrekla afaik its discarded after a while [23:29]
kakobrekla if it doesnt get confirmed [23:29]
kakobrekla one would need to resend [23:29]
kakobrekla seems to be right thing to do [23:29]
kakobrekla or else we could build infinitive queue [23:30]
kakobrekla Namjies https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131922.msg1414201;topicseen#msg1414201 [23:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00062 = 11.687 BTC [+] [23:32]
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thestringpuller ;;tslb [23:41]
gribble Time since last block: 1 minute and 38 seconds [23:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5939 @ 0.00062 = 3.6822 BTC [+] [23:47]
Diablo-D3 EskimoBob: how many dmc shares do you even have? [23:48]
Diablo-D3 if its not a large fraction of the missing 300 some shares, why bother me over it [23:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 96 @ 0.00349819 = 0.3358 BTC [-] [23:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00348464 = 5.9239 BTC [-] [23:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2250 @ 0.00346752 = 7.8019 BTC [-] [23:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1500 @ 0.00346504 = 5.1976 BTC [-] [23:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2500 @ 0.00345578 = 8.6395 BTC [-] [23:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1050 @ 0.00344559 = 3.6179 BTC [-] [23:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5587 @ 0.00343861 = 19.2115 BTC [-] [23:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4700 @ 0.00342636 = 16.1039 BTC [-] [23:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00339841 = 2.039 BTC [-] [23:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1041 @ 0.00337007 = 3.5082 BTC [-] [23:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7495 @ 0.00190012 = 14.2414 BTC [-] [23:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 208020 @ 0.00190011 = 395.2609 BTC [-] [23:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 506 @ 0.00190007 = 0.9614 BTC [-] [23:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 5000 @ 0.00190001 = 9.5001 BTC [-] [23:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 507115 @ 0.0018 = 912.807 BTC [-] [23:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 995840 @ 0.0014 = 1394.176 BTC [-] [23:50]
mircea_popescu o.o [23:50]
mircea_popescu no fucking way. [23:50]
Namjies FUCK [23:50]
Namjies I should have had a bid in! [23:50]
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Namjies Why didn't I have more BTC available for this! [23:51]
mircea_popescu !ticker s.dice [23:51]
Namjies I wanted to have bids in... [23:51]
assbot [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.0014 / 0.00161337 / 0.0036 (1753279 shares, 2,828.70 BTC), 30day: 0.0014 / 0.00308387 / 0.0037 (9053859 shares, 27,921.00 BTC) [23:51]
mircea_popescu breathtaking. -50% 1day avg [23:51]
kakobrekla i took the bid out. [23:53]
kakobrekla ;> [23:53]
kakobrekla i win! [23:53]
thestringpuller haha [23:53]
mircea_popescu lol? [23:53]
Namjies Which one? [23:53]
thestringpuller who offloaded [23:53]
thestringpuller and why? [23:54]
mircea_popescu good q. [23:54]
smickles whoever got that 1394btc worth at .0014 should be happy [23:54]
smickles come dividend day [23:54]
kakobrekla i had a bid at 18 for a while [23:55]
mircea_popescu smickles ya srsly. [23:55]
mircea_popescu what's it projected to pay anymore ? [23:55]
smickles ;;calc (30000-16000)/100000000 [23:56]
gribble 0.00014 [23:56]
smickles a 100% dividend [23:56]
smickles *monthly [23:56]
mircea_popescu no fuycking way ?! [23:56]
mircea_popescu 10% man. [23:57]
mircea_popescu it's 0.0014 [23:57]
Anduck wat [23:57]
EskimoBob smickles: next div day will not be as nice as those so far [23:57]
Anduck LOL [23:57]
Anduck did S.DICE just go down like hell [23:58]
Anduck xD [23:58]
mircea_popescu EskimoBob next div day its projected to pay as much as TOTAL so far. [23:58]
Anduck my luck indeed. [23:58]
EskimoBob do the math. There will me more shares outstanding to share the income [23:58]
smickles it should pop back up soon tho [23:58]
smickles I see no fundamental difference b/t now and earlier [23:58]
mircea_popescu no there won't lol. [23:58]
Namjies EskimoBob, on MPEx, all shares even non-outstanding get dividends. [23:59]
EskimoBob mircea_popescu: are you telling me, that they can not sell any shares from III ? [23:59]
mircea_popescu it's always been divided to 100 mn [23:59]
EskimoBob WHAT Namjies! [23:59]
Namjies So no more shares to split. Beside, each share represent 100 000 000th of SatoshiDice income. [23:59]
EskimoBob are you serious? [23:59]
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