Forum logs for 20 Oct 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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assbot Logged on 16-10-2015 19:08:35; mircea_popescu: deedbot- [00:01]
adlai << took a while, didn't we :P [00:03]
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adlai << not this thread again... [00:06]
assbot Logged on 20-10-2015 00:24:08; asciilifeform: (which is where you will typically find n2o in the kitchen shop !) [00:06]
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trinque adlai: yeah later in that thread you'll see me chattering about fixing it [00:19]
trinque my parser was ignorant of [00:20]
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trinque did that one never get resubmitted? [00:20]
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BingoBoingo In other news... Apparently 200 pound girls abuse anorexia forums trying to lose weight? [00:57]
assbot Please insult me hard. - The South Beach Diet - Forums and Community ... ( ) [00:57]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: refresh my memory, how did you get into the subject [00:58]
mircea_popescu he's trying to lose weight. [00:58]
BingoBoingo A bit of that. A bit of fuck reddit censorship. [00:59]
BingoBoingo Also now that I know cool black people and cool Jooz, need socially acceptable utternmenschen and the Food Stamp supermorbidly obese are kinda it. [01:00]
mircea_popescu oh i thought that part was gendered not social. ie, "what is the 1 in the 1 to 10 scale for women" rather than for people in general. [01:01]
asciilifeform 'If you cut me I don't bleed, I pour out AWESOMENESS!' << from BingoBoingo's link [01:01]
BingoBoingo !b 2 [01:01]
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BingoBoingo oh i thought that part was gendered not social. ie, "what is the 1 in the 1 to 10 scale for women" rather than for people in general. << This is why 'Murica is failing. Not enough mundane nouns are gendered [01:02]
asciilifeform not entirely relatedly, there is apparently a broadway musical about alexander hamilton. (for non-u.s. folks, a contemporary of george washington, famously killed in a duel.) so the inevitable, sacramental question: when do we get an equally duel-romanticized play about galois ? [01:03]
mircea_popescu Shawn Corey Carter (born December 4, 1969),[2] known by his stage name Jay Z (formerly Jay-Z),[3][4][5] is an American rapper, record producer, and entrepreneur. He is one of the most financially successful hip hop artists and entrepreneurs in America. In 2014, Forbes estimated Jay Z's net worth at nearly $520 million. [01:03]
mircea_popescu awww. that's not so much, is it ? [01:03]
mircea_popescu He is one of the world's best-selling artists of all time, having sold more than 100 million records, while receiving 21 Grammy Awards for his musical work, and numerous additional nominations. [01:04]
mircea_popescu dude... [01:04]
BingoBoingo Most of it came from apple buying out his startup lottery ticker [01:04]
mircea_popescu the curse of aging is that the world seems to keep getting smaller. srsly, that's it ? [01:04]
BingoBoingo *ticket [01:04]
BingoBoingo ;;google Beats by Dre Apple [01:04]
gribble Beats by Dr. Dre - Shop Beats headphones and speakers - Apple: ; It's Official: Apple Adds Dr. Dre With $3 Billion Beats Deal - Forbes: ; Beats Product Service and Warranty | Beats by Dr. Dre: (1 more message) [01:04]
mircea_popescu this is a different identical fake hood dood isn't it ? [01:05]
BingoBoingo Jay-Z is not dre, but everyone buys the same lottery tickets [01:05]
mircea_popescu aok [01:05]
BingoBoingo Jay-z sings better. Dre plays with synthesizers better. Otherwise... [01:05]
mircea_popescu << in other news, posture is everything. [01:05]
mircea_popescu for women. [01:05]
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mircea_popescu alternative title, "videostudy in stress shear of the posterior fourchette" [01:06]
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asciilifeform << from BingoBoingo's link earlier. mega-l0l. [01:14]
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asciilifeform click 'english', invokes built-in googletranslate thingie [01:14]
asciilifeform 'What I came up with this investigation Whale.' [01:14]
BingoBoingo Nisshin Maru seriously best boat on the ocean. [01:14]
asciilifeform or hm, yet another identical button gives something like actual english. [01:15]
asciilifeform 'Harassment of whale research vessels is illegal' [01:15]
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mircea_popescu what are they gonn a do, ask the us navy to shoot down the harasser ? :D [01:17]
asciilifeform << apparently, take pictures. and lawsuits. [01:18]
assbot ICR : Harassment & terrorism ... ( ) [01:18]
BingoBoingo Japan also nearly has enough Navy to shoot harassers nao [01:18]
* mircea_popescu is finding a discussion of some 2009 "mass" (really, 4 people at a gym) shooter on tlp's blog quite informative. [01:19]
mircea_popescu "Imagine after tanning for a month and lifting weights, he met a girl at the gym who fell in love with him." [01:19]
asciilifeform sodini ? [01:19]
BingoBoingo ^ [01:19]
mircea_popescu what the fuck ? WHAT would a woman fall in love with ? the guy is as vacuous as an ipad. he "does a good job" programming .net crap and tans. [01:19]
mircea_popescu that ? [01:19]
mircea_popescu yes him. [01:19]
mircea_popescu [01:20]
assbot The Last Psychiatrist: Why Did George Sodini Shoot Women? ... ( ) [01:20]
mircea_popescu how the fuyck is a woman supposed to fall in love with cubical fungus ? [01:20]
asciilifeform how with street fungus ? [01:21]
asciilifeform trading floor fungus ? [01:21]
mircea_popescu easy. incoherent. [01:21]
asciilifeform cockpit fungus ? [01:21]
mircea_popescu no see, im starting to understand a lot of things, or moreover : the tlp wash has put pieces in my head into a sense. [01:21]
mircea_popescu so : it's not narcissism that's the problem, not per se. [01:21]
mircea_popescu it goes deeper : coherence is the problem. [01:22]
asciilifeform 'consistency is the hobgoblin of the small mind' thing ? [01:22]
mircea_popescu yes, deeply coherent people APPEAR to be narcissists, and then it's easy to mistake THAT as driving the whole show. but it is not. narcissism is merely a defense mechanism. [01:22]
mircea_popescu keeping the over-coherent thing from explosion. [01:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform even deeper than that. the guy is so smooth, so flat, there is no possibility for a woman to get caught in anything. [01:23]
mircea_popescu it's not subjective (hobgoblin small mind etc), it is outright objective. he's so smooth you can drop him in the ocean and pick him up dry. [01:23]
BingoBoingo << Spoiler alert for the depth of a certain rabbit hole exploration hinted at here, because Ashley Madison dump is boring [01:23]
asciilifeform do we actually know the man ? [01:23]
assbot dpaste: 07V4P64 ... ( ) [01:23]
mircea_popescu which is EXACTLY what he describes. [01:23]
mircea_popescu we do not know the man. [01:23]
asciilifeform or only his seppuku note [01:23]
mircea_popescu no one ever knows the man. [01:23]
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asciilifeform so how do we know the smooth [01:23]
BingoBoingo so how do we know the smooth << When one spends too much time in MS .NET they become it [01:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is a legitimate if complex question. i'll approach it from very, very far away. [01:24]
mircea_popescu why does the classical hero have to be flawed ? why not superman-perfect ? [01:25]
mircea_popescu to explain the love interest, that's why. [01:25]
mircea_popescu it never, to my knowledge, EVER worked on the silver screen as such. but the idea, even if never passibly implemented, still is valid [01:25]
mircea_popescu a sort of narrative bitcoin if you will. [01:25]
mircea_popescu so, why does t williams' pollitt junior drink ? [01:26]
mircea_popescu he could as well not drink. [01:26]
mircea_popescu ah, but you see, he drinks to forget. forget what ? [01:26]
mircea_popescu his father was gay too. [01:26]
mircea_popescu but the woman loves him. why ? [01:26]
mircea_popescu ah, that crazed fag hag liz taylor. sure. nevertheless, the story works BECAUSE the kid's not coherent. [01:27]
asciilifeform fanfic aficionados have a term, 'mary sue', for character who appears flawless and inspires loathing thereby [01:28]
mircea_popescu priscilla lane snubs eddie bartlett in the roaring twenties, and this is perceived as a visceral crime by the audience. why ? [01:28]
mircea_popescu why ? because the insipid lawyer is smooth ; cagney is clearly the one she was meant for. and we have no difficulty understanding panama smith's fixation. [01:29]
asciilifeform but how is the fungus man 'smooth' ? as far as i can see, he is one gigantic wrinkle, like a von koch snowflake [01:29]
mircea_popescu of course she'll die with him, she's caught. [01:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform explain to me the topology of the wrinkle in 1-dimensional space with a quantified rule =1. [01:29]
asciilifeform 1?! [01:30]
mircea_popescu yes. [01:30]
mircea_popescu (is this how you say it in english ? "function that measures distance", the geometric equivalent of the sorting function, rule) [01:30]
mircea_popescu it should be, after all there's ruler [01:31]
asciilifeform metric [01:31]
mircea_popescu ah [01:31]
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mircea_popescu see, let's go on a tangent. [01:33]
mircea_popescu tlp observes "what the fuck is with the kids today, they all wanna be black ?" "they don't wanna be black, thgey wanna be masculine". [01:33]
mircea_popescu this is correct, exactly. [01:33]
mircea_popescu why is black = masculine ? why, because black needn't wrinkle. [01:33]
mircea_popescu why does black not need wrinkle ? because so many blacks are in jail, black women can't afford to choose. [01:34]
mircea_popescu EXACTLY for the reason superman could be a ball. in 19fucking50. [01:34]
mircea_popescu you know what had just happened ? [01:34]
mircea_popescu "he's perfect in every way". sure he is, susie. [01:34]
mircea_popescu works in demographic imbalance. otherwise, you gotta make some sense, somewhere, somehow. [01:35]
asciilifeform ball? [01:37]
mircea_popescu like a bearing ball. [01:38]
mircea_popescu at which point, i'll definitively confuse the matter by going on the least expected tangent : [01:40]
mircea_popescu the churchly doctrine has always been that absent the possibility of sin, and the wilful rejection of sin, salvation is impossible. [01:40]
mircea_popescu the REASON they said this, and stuck to it, is the correct observation that absent a very certainl possibility you'll fucking kill her, from which you wilfully abstain, the woman's not even slightly interested. [01:41]
mircea_popescu (chiefly because you'll probably not give her children, which has its own knot of evolutionary logic behind it) [01:41]
mircea_popescu and now : how the fuck is superman going to provide the manifest possibility he's killing the woman ? [01:42]
mircea_popescu indirectly! [01:42]
assbot The twu luv torture on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [01:42]
mircea_popescu "the evil guys" who are obviously and necessarily an affixion upon him, provide it! [01:42]
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mircea_popescu har har [01:45]
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mircea_popescu (and unrelatedly one for BingoBoingo : ) [01:45]
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BingoBoingo lol [01:45]
mircea_popescu jesus these things are so badly drawn... [01:49]
mircea_popescu it's really hard to go through america's main cultural product and not come to the notion that the country was born with down syndrome. [01:50]
BingoBoingo It's a problem [01:52]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.31889759 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin over $326 before November - [01:54]
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mircea_popescu i''ticker [01:57]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [01:57]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 264.62, Best ask: 264.69, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 264.62, 24 hour volume: 10628.81221829, 24 hour low: 262.35, 24 hour high: 266.99, 24 hour vwap: None [01:57]
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mircea_popescu <<< win [02:29]
assbot The Last Psychiatrist: "Are there really so many people with such troubles in your country to make such medicine such an important matter?" ... ( ) [02:29]
mircea_popescu someone from romania wrote him. [02:29]
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BingoBoingo The concise explanation of why parents who aren't poor and even some who are don't let their kids play 'Murican football [03:01]
BingoBoingo Because why put your kids in the position to suffer likely murder to people doping with shit that works when... you can tell them no for at least a few years. [03:05]
BingoBoingo The point people are chemically engineering themselves routinely to be better at the sport in school is the point where the sport had went beyond what makes sense as a school sport. [03:08]
mircea_popescu from what i could gather, the sort of kid that plays football comes from the same pool of kids that "sing rap" or get shot in turf wars. [03:10]
mircea_popescu if you're gonna go, might as well go whatever way it happens [03:10]
BingoBoingo Of course. [03:11]
BingoBoingo It is the exact demographic now. The demographic that used to produce boxers like Ali now produces 300-400 pound sprinters [03:11]
BingoBoingo Just now the demographic's parents are either Denzel Washington in Training Day or Madea sitting on the school board [03:13]
BingoBoingo The thing is he has to consider getting on gear because the sport he chose inevitably means he will be smashing heads with people who did [03:15]
BingoBoingo "If you can you must" [03:16]
ben_vulpes > sings rap [03:16]
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ben_vulpes b-a can't distinguish the jigga man from dre, thestringpuller [03:17]
ben_vulpes whaddaya make of that [03:17]
BingoBoingo I know alf has an aversion to the American Football talk, but the sad thing is that was likely one of the saner people getting into the game [03:17]
mircea_popescu can you ? [03:17]
mircea_popescu and what is it, "recites" ? he does with the mouth. [03:18]
BingoBoingo I just gotta say Jay-Z's girl Beyonce better consider a calorie deficit before she ends up like Kim Karsashian who bloated up. [03:19]
mircea_popescu there's no saving the 30yo black woman. she'll balloon, tis the genes. [03:19]
BingoBoingo She can keep it in her ass. Older black Women manage that. That is good. Kim though was not black and just went full FUPA. [03:20]
mircea_popescu diff story there. [03:22]
BingoBoingo Yeah [03:22]
mircea_popescu This is how famous people die: they take stimulants to party all night, and sleep very little. Finally, on day 3 they're too wired to fall asleep naturally, so they take a few extra sedatives (because they feel so wired.) However, the full dose of the pills doesn't happen until after they fall asleep; the sedation is worsened even further by stimulant withdrawal; and, of course, the natural exhaustion that comes with [03:24]
mircea_popescu partying for three days and not sleeping. [03:24]
BingoBoingo Just if Jay-Z was doing really good he'd be able to cycle them out [03:24]
mircea_popescu aaaand again ballas is exactly correct [03:24]
mircea_popescu that's precisely how famous people die. [03:24]
BingoBoingo Like Elvis [03:24]
mircea_popescu i'd guess about half of them. [03:24]
BingoBoingo Though hints in his papers suggest he aspirated on the vomit too [03:25]
mircea_popescu "Mass murder is the violent expression of being a pussy. The people killed are almost never the people who actually hurt you-- they are the nameless collateral damage of your fear of confrontation. Every person who Sodini felt hurt him is still alive. Every person he shot was nothing but polite to him, if they had any contact at all. This is almost universally true about mass murderers. In other words, the people w [03:29]
mircea_popescu ho you think hurt you most got punished the least." [03:29]
mircea_popescu word eh. [03:29]
mircea_popescu the problem with this safe, sanitized, society-first view of individual action is that it deliberately avoids the problem of class. [03:30]
mircea_popescu what if you mass murder accountants ? irs accountants ? black women ? people working at the southern poverty law center ? congressmen ? etc. [03:30]
mircea_popescu but let's not talk about that. [03:31]
BingoBoingo Can't talk about that. "Ideation" in psych lingo. [03:32]
mircea_popescu anyway. tlp's idea about how to report the stuff in the media to prevent its repeating is entirely correct (and also exactly what china does, which he doesn't notice - tho he notices correctly that it's what the dod forced everyone to do for the wtc bombings) [03:42]
mircea_popescu the probolem with THAT is that it only works for as long as the press is firmly attached to the public mind, but the more it works the more tenouous it makes that attachment. so... notrly. [03:42]
BingoBoingo Kind why qntra works like BitBet as a truth finding mechanism, also time weighted [03:44]
BingoBoingo 2nd article, canonical by nao [03:46]
assbot GAW Miners Revealed As The Jizz Moppers Supreme | Qntra ... ( ) [03:46]
BingoBoingo Similarly Death sentence [03:48]
assbot Altcoin Exchange Cryptsy Partners With Vogogo And Digital BTC | Qntra ... ( ) [03:48]
mircea_popescu lol all this shit that supposedly at some time existed. [03:48]
BingoBoingo Seriously [03:49]
BingoBoingo Then grew to this beaut by thestringpuller so soon [03:51]
assbot The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra ... ( ) [03:52]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [04:13]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 265.51, vol: 23648.99455804 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 264.08, vol: 7255.33172 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 267.04, vol: 10445.75366445 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 275.154075, vol: 30694.19260000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 265.60156, vol: 64.00913653 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 264.81235, vol: 107.7485845 | Volume-weighted last average: 269.685730278 [04:13]
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jurov << instead of all this shitgnomery they could allow administrator to exempt these sockets from nr_fileno limit [07:54]
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shinohai "An increase in violence was reported as Jews begam kidnapping Arabs just to obtain the discount." [08:33]
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jurov heh [09:56]
assbot ThePiachu's Bitcoin Blog: Liquid - when sidechains say "fuck it" ... ( ) [09:56]
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funkenstein_ <-- so who is the idiot here? the person saying what they were told to say on video, or the person watching it and drawing conclusions based on nothing? [10:33]
assbot Logged on 19-10-2015 20:37:15; mircea_popescu: commenter on trilema has this to say : [10:33]
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funkenstein_ for more on this topic, go watch Remí Gaillard prank videos, and think for a while about who is really being pranked [10:34]
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punkman I don't think I'd buy gold coin off random guy on the street either [10:35]
funkenstein_ "Americaner sind hüre dumm! Ich habe im Youtube gesehen." [10:36]
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punkman though, it is a fact that guy on the street does not know what an ounce of gold looks like or what it's worth [10:36]
funkenstein_ likely true, though a video made by some people you don't know doesn't verify it [10:37]
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funkenstein_ first they came for the derps. but I was not a derp, so I said nothing. [10:44]
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funkenstein_ there must be something lost in translation. How is some random mentally broken corpsemuncher anything like a prof. wrestler, or a real wrestler, or a gangster, or a gangster rapper? [10:47]
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funkenstein_ and related later, how many people do you know that paid for a recording of Jay Z? But oh, I saw 100million written down so, lets just believe that shall we? [10:52]
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funkenstein_ anyway "reasonable doubt" - "friend or foe" is worth a listen :) [11:04]
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funkenstein_ <-- wai wut? [11:26]
assbot Logged on 19-10-2015 20:03:53; Xplosionist: I mean, I'm very glad we have people that do it. Most of whom are actually nice and do a good job. But, wow, I would never want to deal with as much crap as you have to put up with fore that job. [11:26]
funkenstein_ ;;ud ftp [11:26]
gribble | FTP. Fuck the police. Coined in early 1998 by a C.B. local. It is the only true definition of this word and all the othere can f*ck off. I'm sick of these pigs harassing ... [11:26]
funkenstein_ <-- hanging out of context comparatives can mean anything you want and thus wind up meaning nothing at all [11:38]
assbot Logged on 20-10-2015 04:33:24; mircea_popescu: why is black = masculine ? why, because black needn't wrinkle. [11:38]
funkenstein_ i'm thinking of something bigger, can you guess what it is? [11:39]
funkenstein_ it was a hydrogen atom [11:39]
funkenstein_ another common example: "lesser animals" [11:39]
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funkenstein_ if the speaker had any actual information to convey, they forgot to complete the sentence [11:40]
funkenstein_ or something like "girls are better" [11:40]
funkenstein_ unless the "at what" is specified, it's just a phrase used for effect [11:41]
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funkenstein_ this concludes my driveby bitcoin-asseting, I'm off now to go cut bill-sized newspaper strips :) [11:53]
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thestringpuller ;;later tell funkenstein_ I've bought a lot of Jay-Z albums. The Black Album on vinyl is sick. Jay-Z is good at moving albums tho... [12:05]
gribble The operation succeeded. [12:05]
lobbes so cable company just called me; 'Because you're such a loyal customer, I'm going to give you this exclusive *unadvertised* offer! For MORE money per month, I can give you faster internet!" [12:06]
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lobbes Me: "No thanks" [12:15]
lobbes CableDude: "May I ask what's holding you back?" [12:15]
lobbes Me: "I don't want to spend more money" [12:15]
lobbes CableDude: "Sure I understand, but this IS an exclusive offer. So can I sign you up today?" [12:15]
lobbes Me: "No, bye" [12:15]
mircea_popescu lol [12:20]
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mircea_popescu << reading this thing i come to the realisation that having a GREAT kids show on tv is the worst fucking thing you could ever do. the muppets was probably better than anything else that was on tv for three decades, and contrary to what everyone imagined, it DIDNT help kids. [12:24]
assbot The Last Psychiatrist: Kanye West And The Video Music Awards ... ( ) [12:24]
mircea_popescu in fact, it might actually be a large part of why said kids are broken in the head. [12:24]
mircea_popescu but in any case... "The audience-- people, Twitter, performers, Leno, The View, the President-- are can't help but comment on the show. They don't understand that they are actually part of the show. They aren't getting paid, but neither were Statler and Waldorf. And they were the funniest part of it." [12:25]
mircea_popescu this is a problem. [12:26]
mircea_popescu jurov << instead of all this shitgnomery << eh, the problem with exceptions is that they have to be managed. [12:27]
jurov if the alternative is to add new syscall per exception... [12:27]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell funkenstein_ what is your definition of "nothing" ? be the careful you wish to see in this world. for instance as an exercise : compare the "nothing" you falsely claimed with the "something" that was actually there, see if the conclusions ACTUALLY DRAWN by the people you read were in fact commensurate with the something that there was, IRRESPECTIVE of what your kneejerk [based on nothing] interpretation of [12:30]
mircea_popescu what they MIGHT HAVE said is. [12:30]
gribble Error: "based" is not a valid command. [12:30]
mircea_popescu oic. [12:30]
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* mircea_popescu reads tpbit thing, is unimpressed. oh you mean people wanna blather about nothing rather than do work because a) it's easier and b) they don't wanna do anything anyway, they just wanna appear so and so ? mmmkay. [12:32]
mircea_popescu first they came for the derps. but I was not a derp, so I said nothing. << no community with the derps. see ; see [12:38]
mircea_popescu /#selection-217.0-221.245 ; see and the whole fucking corpus already. when "they" come for the derps i'll be fucking there shooting pregnantg mothers in the uterus and stepping on baby derp necks. [12:38]
assbot Facebook sends traffic!!11eleven on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [12:38]
assbot On how I ended up suing Phoenix NAP, LLC ; on how Ira R. Cadwell's mom Stephanie's going to lose her Chula Vista home ; on how Marcus Bohn is going to catch a lot of shit for that ; on assorted other drama. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [12:38]
assbot On how the factored 4096 RSA keys story was handled, and what it means to you. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [12:38]
mircea_popescu there is no community with the derps. a world without them is a better world, under ANY circumstances. [12:38]
mircea_popescu in fact, the reason prison is better than the web (no, it's not "the internet", fucking reddit facebook and washpo aren't "the internet") is preciely that they fuck up the derps in prison. [12:40]
mircea_popescu << at this point i firmly believe there's something lost ; in the reading. in other words, im vaguely persuaded you do not actually have the ability to read (yes, you can follow the letters, but it's not the same). so earnestly, in full view of this censure of your intellectual faculties, without any attempt to hide from it or to pretend an imaginary, unwarranted s [12:42]
mircea_popescu uperiority over it, go read the fucking thing again and answer this question yourself. HOW is it that they are exactly the same ? [12:42]
assbot Logged on 20-10-2015 13:47:06; funkenstein_: there must be something lost in translation. How is some random mentally broken corpsemuncher anything like a prof. wrestler, or a real wrestler, or a gangster, or a gangster rapper? [12:42]
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mircea_popescu But oh, I saw 100million written down so, lets just believe that shall we? << that's not even it. the tlp article has the story, and it's rather obvious : they ACCEPTED to be extras in HIS movie. that's what it is. rihanna, of course (of course ? madonna didn't do that for ritchie, not really ; angelina jolie didn't do that for brad pitt ; moreover nobody told them to get the fucking crazy out of their [12:47]
mircea_popescu heads and OF COURSE already, it's their guy which means he owns them), but that other chick what's her name, and oh really, "nobody's cavalcade is coming tarram tarram tarrarram tam tam" ? what the fuck is this shit, put the nigger back in the prison he squirmed out of an the white women back in the fucking ofcourse. [12:47]
mircea_popescu because otherwise, OF COURSE some random derp is gonna be the symbol, and in this sense "100 mn" is purely symbolic. it's not the number, and you are drastically naive to contest the actual number. the point is somewhere else. [12:47]
mircea_popescu "oh, but women don't wanna be extras in a man's movie just for being women". tough. [12:49]
mircea_popescu im sure alf doesn't wanna be an engineer either, he wants to be a hunter. what of it ? [12:49]
mircea_popescu the jobs available are the jobs available and you fucking like them. [12:49]
mircea_popescu "oh, but i'm gonna be the exception". sure you will baby. heck, maybe she actually will be. THE EXCEPTION. geddit ? [12:50]
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mircea_popescu or was it beyonce not rihanna ? anyway. [12:53]
mircea_popescu << this is true, yeah. [12:57]
assbot Logged on 20-10-2015 15:27:14; jurov: if the alternative is to add new syscall per exception... [12:57]
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mircea_popescu << now that's an interesting graph. [13:17]
assbot ... ( ) [13:17]
punkman "Google’s growing problem: 50% of people do zero searches per day on mobile" [13:21]
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mircea_popescu because why would they ? if they know the topic they don't need to search google, what the fuck is that you know, "i would like to see what the republican party says, i wonder if they have a website". on the other hand if you don't know it, why would you trust google. "i wonder if thye have a republican party in bali. o look, comes up first." [13:22]
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deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Hey Edmonton Police Service, what part of private property don’t YOU understand? - [13:34]
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assbot School Elections Thrown Out After Too Many Whites Elected | The Daily Caller ... ( ) [13:39]
ascii_field << only in su prison - in america, prison (at least the fed kind) is sorta like su псиxушка [13:42]
assbot Logged on 20-10-2015 15:39:52; mircea_popescu: in fact, the reason prison is better than the web (no, it's not "the internet", fucking reddit facebook and washpo aren't "the internet") is preciely that they fuck up the derps in prison. [13:42]
ascii_field (live and die under microscope) [13:42]
mircea_popescu mebbe. [13:42]
mircea_popescu how many actual convicts do you know tho ? [13:42]
ascii_field directly? none. friend-of-friend - a few [13:43]
mircea_popescu this isn't worth much, is it ? [13:44]
mircea_popescu incidentally, it's not hard to meet convicts. there's a program you can sign up for, host one getting out of prison for a few months. [13:45]
mircea_popescu sort-of like uber for convicts. or was it airbnb ? [13:45]
ascii_field no. i do have a secret pasttime of reading just about anything written by prisoners, in all times and places, with emphasis on modern americans. but i cannot pretend to be an expert. [13:45]
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ascii_field 'Van Haren went on to say that she is considering a variety of fixes to the problem, including appointing several new positions in order to ensure more minorities are represented without kicking out those who actually won the election.' [13:46]
mircea_popescu yeah but of interest here would have been the convicts that don't write. [13:46]
ascii_field 'the spartan speaks with his sword.' [13:47]
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mircea_popescu i don't get this nonsense. who the fuck gave her the autority to overturn the election. [13:47]
ascii_field it's a toy election [13:47]
mircea_popescu you can't have a toy election anymore than you can have a toy pregnancy. [13:48]
ascii_field instituted by the school to begin with, as i understand [13:48]
mircea_popescu or a toy prayer. or a toy dela with the devil. [13:48]
mircea_popescu these things are. [13:48]
mircea_popescu tough. still not how it works. [13:48]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: funnily enough they tried 'toy pregnancies' in american schools [13:48]
mircea_popescu im sure they did. i would say overal there's no stupid thing the us haven't tried [13:48]
ascii_field and at any rate this is a beautiful election. teaches the childrenz how ~actual~ usg works [13:48]
mircea_popescu in line with the "sane measure to be applied just as soon as all alternatives exhausted" [13:48]
mircea_popescu quitew. [13:48]
ascii_field << iirc we did this..? google is for error messages, lines of code, quotes from published documents generically. [13:51]
assbot Logged on 20-10-2015 16:22:05; mircea_popescu: because why would they ? if they know the topic they don't need to search google, what the fuck is that you know, "i would like to see what the republican party says, i wonder if they have a website". on the other hand if you don't know it, why would you trust google. "i wonder if thye have a republican party in bali. o look, comes up first." [13:51]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field do you happen to have link to log where we discuss idiocy of "bayesian" approaches to stuff ? [13:52]
mircea_popescu and yes, we did this. [13:52]
ascii_field it came up on a few occasions iirc [13:53]
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ascii_field << the thread i recall [13:55]
assbot Logged on 18-11-2014 19:17:32; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's the connection << organized abuse of statistical concepts for satanic purposes [13:55]
mircea_popescu ha! ty. [13:55]
mircea_popescu btw, you ever read that article by tlp about how "asking another is the best bias reducer" ? [13:56]
ascii_field prolly [13:56]
ascii_field at one point i swallowed the whole tlp [13:56]
ascii_field but most of it got gc'd [13:56]
mircea_popescu the experience he discusses (afaik this is amply documented) is the strange situation that if an idiot guesses, he's off by X, if he "tries" to think about it, ie, meditates on the answer and why it could be wrong he improves the guess (reducing he errror) [13:57]
mircea_popescu but if he simply asks another idiot and averages the two out, he reduces the error 3x [13:58]
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ascii_field this only works when there is a signal. [13:58]
ascii_field (the canonical experiment involves a jar full of coins or the like. but if you were to put the jar behind a door, then no signal. only noise.) [13:59]
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mircea_popescu right. [14:04]
mircea_popescu well, i got my link about 500x faster than if i searched for it. somehow. [14:04]
ascii_field i did make use of #b-a search [14:07]
ascii_field when such a thing exists for a subject, it is clearly the winner, yes [14:07]
ascii_field i dare say that 99% of my search itches are entirely scratched by grep on my own disks [14:08]
ascii_field the tricky bit is the remainder. [14:08]
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mircea_popescu problem is i didn't know what to search for. [14:09]
ascii_field then it isn't a search problem...! [14:10]
mircea_popescu quite. [14:11]
ascii_field 'i need to compute the volume of hydrogen in this bottle' 'compute volume, take the pressure....' 'i've never seen the bottle!' [14:11]
ascii_field *mass of [14:11]
mircea_popescu it IS a search problem. "i want X". "can you put X in X' ?" "no but i can tell it to alf" [14:12]
mircea_popescu somehow working together it was 1 minute, i am confident it'd have been half a fucking hour of my life otherwise. [14:12]
ascii_field meatsearch. [14:12]
mircea_popescu aha [14:12]
ascii_field helps if your phriendz have good memory [14:12]
mircea_popescu something google'll never do worth a crap. [14:12]
mircea_popescu helps foremost if variety speak. [14:13]
mircea_popescu (note that the question wasn't "in" vs. but yet...) [14:13]
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ascii_field <<<>>> [14:18]
assbot dpaste: 0FPGSGH: got HW crypto? On the (in)security of a Self-Encrypting Drive series ... ( ) [14:18]
ascii_field (lolzy. built-in key generated at factory; other key is entered through a winblowz proggy!) [14:20]
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mircea_popescu heh [14:23]
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deedbot- [Trilema] Carnita... - [14:25]
ascii_field and as if this were not enough, [14:25]
ascii_field 'Comparing this plot to 10000 4-byte values retrieved from /dev/urandom ( Figure 6 ), gives us a strong [14:25]
ascii_field hint that the RNG of the JMS583S is not cryptographically safe, showing clear patterns in Figure 4.' [14:25]
mircea_popescu ahahaha kk [14:26]
ascii_field see, i am at a loss here as to the logic. [14:29]
ascii_field it is one thing to subtly, secretly sabotage a thing. [14:29]
mircea_popescu there isn't a logic in that sense [14:30]
ascii_field it is another where it is encrusted with so many mines, of such variety, that you can hardly make out what the thing was (a bridge? a railroad ? what?) [14:30]
mircea_popescu this is how nature works [14:31]
ascii_field aha. the trees do not get together and decide 'there is room for three oaks' [14:31]
mircea_popescu quite. [14:32]
mircea_popescu or "it would make sense for the ivy to be over there" [14:32]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: 'And it is because the real estate prices in Beijing etc have made it so that young women are unaffordable.' << what does this mean? [14:33]
ascii_field they are not shipped in from mars, no. so how is it that 'they are unaffordable' ? [14:33]
mircea_popescu which part ? [14:33]
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ascii_field how does it work? politburo hoards all the womenz ? [14:35]
mircea_popescu ah. suppose you have 10k soviet fuckholes, and 11k dudes want one. 10k dudes pay 10k per fuckhole each, and spend the time alternatively fucking the hole and laughing at the 1k. [14:35]
mircea_popescu suppose they're 10k american fuckholes. 11k dudes want one, on which basis 100k more dudes are made to think they want one [14:35]
mircea_popescu 3k people pay 1.5mn each per fuckhole, have no time to do anything but run arround trying to service the 2.8mn they owe [14:35]
mircea_popescu 207k people sit around depressed because no fuckhole. [14:36]
mircea_popescu see ? [14:36]
ascii_field to whom do they pay ? [14:36]
mircea_popescu to ibm. [14:36]
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mircea_popescu what "pay" ? money doesn't enter into this. [14:36]
mircea_popescu money is not a THING [14:36]
mircea_popescu they... just... pay. [14:36]
ascii_field so this is more like the 'pay' you pay in auschwitz, work until you drop with the hope that you get moved down, and not up, in the chimney queue ? [14:37]
ascii_field and the gurlz play the equivalent of the role of chocolate bars ? [14:37]
mircea_popescu i guess so [14:37]
ascii_field (or cigs) [14:38]
mircea_popescu notably, the 10k fuckholes aren't "more valuable" in either scenario. they ARE however LESS UTILIZED in the second. [14:38]
mircea_popescu so in the only sane paradigm, the latter is actually more impoverished. [14:38]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, in the "value is what people want" paradigm, the former is incredibly poor. [14:39]
ascii_field thing is, a situation like this is impossible without barbed wire & guards (in one form or another) [14:39]
mircea_popescu not so. [14:39]
mircea_popescu people are stupid for free. [14:39]
ascii_field who prevents the utilization ? [14:39]
mircea_popescu barbed wire and guns are more of a sign that things are improving than anything. [14:39]
ascii_field if the resource is not actually scarce [14:39]
mircea_popescu be worried when no barbed wire and guns, like the us 60s. [14:39]
mircea_popescu stupidity. [14:39]
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mircea_popescu why aren't you all the things you aren't doing, like putting your cock in the mouth of girl sitting across the table ? [14:40]
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mircea_popescu didn't see any barbed wire voalettes [14:40]
ascii_field barbed wire largely works on the expectation. [14:40]
mircea_popescu no. barbed wire does nto work, period. [14:40]
mircea_popescu it is there to JUSTIFY one's own lassitude, even as that becomes socially inacceptable. [14:40]
mircea_popescu you understand this ? it doesn't DO anything. it's there so the fucktards can BLAME IT for who they are. [14:41]
mircea_popescu like the people who "stayed in statal employment" cca 1992. [14:41]
mircea_popescu who exactly kept them there ? why not go into business ? work for businessmen ? [14:41]
mircea_popescu "best be safe". sure. "barbed wire" aha. [14:41]
mircea_popescu barbed wire, like "nuclear weapons" scl is a TOTEM. [14:42]
mircea_popescu infantry cuts through it faster than infantry can deploy it, think about that. [14:42]
ascii_field this works because infantry is a machine (yes) not man. i.e. soldier hasn't the choice of 'i don't feel like it' [14:42]
mircea_popescu more importantly - soldier doesn't havfe the choice of "i'm too good for this" [14:43]
ascii_field so he is really still boxed in by 'barbed wire' - just not the wire you see in front of him [14:43]
mircea_popescu the notion of freedom you carry most closely approximates death. [14:43]
ascii_field soldier is in no sense the example of 'man impervious to wire' [14:43]
ascii_field if he were, he would shoot own officer & go pirating. [14:43]
mircea_popescu but pirating is no different. [14:43]
thestringpuller I was under the impression a soldier is nothing more than a political tool. [14:44]
thestringpuller That is, a soldier's only purpose is to "complete the mission". [14:44]
mircea_popescu anyway, it is strictly possible soldier actually believes in the war and his side. there's nothing wrong with this. [14:45]
ascii_field obligatory... [14:46]
ascii_field 'One of the essential experiences of war is never being able to escape from disgusting smells of human origin. Latrines are an overworked subject in war literature, and I would not mention them if it were not that the latrine in our barracks did its necessary bit towards puncturing my own illusions about the Spanish civil war. The Latin type of latrine, at which you have to squat, is bad enough at its best, but these were [14:46]
ascii_field made of some kind of polished stone so slippery that it was all you could do to keep on your feet. In addition they were always blocked. Now I have plenty of other disgusting things in my memory, but I believe it was these latrines that first brought home to me the thought, so often to recur: ‘Here we are, soldiers of a revolutionary army, defending Democracy against Fascism, fighting a war which is about something, an [14:46]
ascii_field d the detail of our lives is just as sordid and degrading as it could be in prison, let alone in a bourgeois army.’ Many other things reinforced this impression later; for instance, the boredom and animal hunger of trench life, the squalid intrigues over scraps of food, the mean, nagging quarrels which people exhausted by lack of sleep indulge in.' [14:46]
ascii_field (mr o) [14:46]
mircea_popescu mr o never was a soldier, [14:47]
mircea_popescu and i would suspect he was never intimate with a woman, either. [14:47]
ascii_field in most people's understanding of the profession - he was a soldier. [14:47]
mircea_popescu and had sex, sure. [14:47]
ascii_field so now 'that wasn't soldiering' and 'that wasn't sex' ? [14:47]
ascii_field i thought it was ~my~ job to mystificate like this! [14:48]
mircea_popescu soldiering it was, but his protestations make it obvious he didn't reallyt have any business there. [14:48]
ascii_field this was true of perhaps all but a handful of folks on eastern front [14:48]
mircea_popescu see, all the other dudes are there for whatever reasons - he's there because of who he wants to be. "the sort of guy who fights in the civil war - if only the latrines weren't barbed wired" [14:48]
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ascii_field a good number of people were there for identical reason as mr o [14:49]
mircea_popescu and he wants a girl - if only the women would understand how great a sense of humor he has. [14:49]
mircea_popescu sense of humor, you know ? there's a reason all the frustrated dudes on forums picked this from a sea of random crap. [14:49]
mircea_popescu sense of humor. aka faux hipster irony. in other words, a facility with the faux. [14:49]
mircea_popescu i wonder why women don't dig in! [14:50]
ascii_field ^ now this never made any sense to me [14:50]
ascii_field i suspect there is a 'cargo cult' aspect - they can see other people laugh, and say 'i could also laugh!' [14:50]
mircea_popescu and sure, a bunch of boys get married because who they want to be. [14:50]
mircea_popescu it is generally hoped that in this they also BECOME [14:50]
mircea_popescu mr o didn't, best i can tell. [14:50]
ascii_field become ? [14:51]
mircea_popescu yes. [14:51]
ascii_field this is why we disagree on 'them fools think they're too good' [14:51]
ascii_field mr o did not think he were 'too good.' he tried to become a limonov. and failed. [14:51]
ascii_field ergo honesty is better - if you are constitutionally unsuited to being limonov, be someone else [14:52]
mircea_popescu the irony here, true, unadorned irony of the greek sort, is that the champion of the faux, out of a misguided desire for authenticity metastasized out of his own problems with the faux and handles thereof, stuck to the infantile version instead of individuating into the adult. [14:52]
mircea_popescu the big secret being that juveniles have no soul. they're not individuals, they're the zerg creep. [14:52]
mircea_popescu they individuate out of this, maybe, into adulthood. ironically, adults are apparently a lot more similar than the adolsecents are. [14:53]
ascii_field (although limonov is prolly not the metric here, as he was almost entirely the same animal as orwell - complete with 'ritual' visit to a war, even got to fire a rifle, yes! cummed in his pants) [14:53]
mircea_popescu this could, apparently, be misinterpreted as a reduction of individuality. but it'd take a teen to make the mistake. [14:53]
ascii_field how is this a mistake? [14:54]
ascii_field when ben franklin wrote that 'most people die at 25 but aren't buried till 75' he was describing a very real thing. [14:54]
mircea_popescu hehehe. mno. [14:54]
mircea_popescu lemme see if you ever had this experience. was it ever the case that you enjoyed a product, only to be confronted with some idiot enjoying the same product for the "wrong reasons" ? [14:55]
ascii_field like microscope-hammer ? [14:56]
ascii_field e.g., bitcoin ? [14:56]
mircea_popescu suppose you like cohiba because it tastes good, and you're at a party and this chick you used to fuck DELIBERATELY introduces her current derp, who goes on a rant about how he loves cohiba and did you see that commercial ? maks him feel like who he really is!11 [14:56]
mircea_popescu and there she is, the cat, with her smile that deserves a caning just for that. she knows what she's doing, quite exactly. so what now ? [14:57]
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ascii_field my garbage collector kicks in long before i can get to this point. [14:57]
mircea_popescu mine doesn't. [14:57]
mircea_popescu so : we can sit right here and smoke the same cigar for different reasons altogether. [14:57]
mircea_popescu SEEMINGLY a reduction in individuality. [14:58]
ascii_field how ? [14:58]
mircea_popescu in point of fact, individuality is not a matter of appearance. [14:58]
ascii_field there are not so many cigars [14:58]
mircea_popescu because to the adolescent it seems like the same thing. [14:58]
ascii_field everybody is stuck smoking it for different reasons [14:58]
mircea_popescu life, also. [14:58]
ascii_field everyone pushes same buttons, but for different reasons... [14:59]
ascii_field this seems blindingly obvious [14:59]
mircea_popescu quite. and how much of one's passion with rare keyboards is driven by a fear of this issue ? [14:59]
ascii_field personally - zero [14:59]
mircea_popescu but you see how this'd work. [14:59]
ascii_field to the point that just about everyone i know in meatspace bought what i had... [14:59]
ascii_field and you'd say i am supposed to react to that ..? [15:00]
mircea_popescu so imo, franklin was speaking of a different thing. [15:00]
mircea_popescu how is this a mistake? << see there. i don't say such. [15:00]
ascii_field (i am told there is actually a subculture of 'hipster keyboards' but they are not collecting 1980s workhorses but actual oddity art objects, of mahogany, ...) [15:00]
mircea_popescu what franklin spoke of was a different time. a time when adulthood was unavoidable, and as such lazy people simply succumbed to the hollow form. "hey, if no kid can tell me from any other adult, why bother." [15:01]
mircea_popescu "i just work here." [15:01]
ascii_field and now it is avoidable ? [15:01]
mircea_popescu quite avoidable. [15:01]
ascii_field how? [15:02]
ascii_field for a rockefeller kid, perhaps [15:02]
ascii_field but for plebe? [15:02]
ascii_field he 'grows up', which means he no longer wakes up and thinks 'what shall i do to amuse myself' but 'off to the salt mine' and when comes home 'what do i eat and have i enough spare change?' and then tired, and then again a day of living death [15:02]
mircea_popescu just like that, go to school, take a job that's "not the real you", on it goes. [15:03]
ascii_field is auschwitz man 'the real him' ? [15:03]
ascii_field or is there something under the stripes [15:03]
ascii_field that might be let out ? [15:03]
mircea_popescu adolescence is not childhood. the child wakes up with what SEEMS "what shall i do to amuse himself", except to him it';s a dealdy grind. [15:03]
mircea_popescu but the adolescent wakes up with "i wonder what insane demands will my chosen identity put on me THIS TIME" [15:04]
ascii_field i never did or saw either [15:04]
mircea_popescu there's good reason adolescents hate waking up [15:04]
mircea_popescu obviously everyone at auschwitz thought it temporary. [15:05]
ascii_field one way or another - it was.. [15:05]
mircea_popescu heh. [15:05]
ascii_field the folks who came to think that 'this is the real me now' threw themselves on the wire [15:06]
mircea_popescu ironically, auschwitz has a LOT more in common with the "boost self esteem" version of us schools than with actual education. [15:06]
mircea_popescu it was in fact exactly the same : an exercise in esteem engineering. [15:06]
mircea_popescu as a result, no amount of pain suffering or violence could have matured the individual. on the contrary - it drove infantilization. [15:06]
mircea_popescu meanwhile you don't even need much caning to get a willing slave into a sane head space. [15:07]
mircea_popescu caning. what's that even ? barely noticeable biologically. [15:07]
ascii_field because you cheated by using a willing slave to begin with [15:07]
mircea_popescu always cheat. [15:08]
mircea_popescu if your solution does not include cheating what even makes you think it's a solution at all! [15:08]
shinohai Your enemy sure as hell cheats. [15:08]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: recall our conversation re: wunderwaffen ? [15:08]
ascii_field same idea. [15:08]
mircea_popescu how so ? [15:08]
ascii_field 'a proper solution includes cheating' [15:09]
mircea_popescu ah, aha. [15:09]
ascii_field (which is to say, massively disproportionate roi) [15:09]
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ascii_field 'Another, even better, way that can be executed pre-authentication was found later. In fact, when looking deeper into the firmware code we noticed every time the status VSC is called, the raw RNG bytes are masked with a static value. This static 4-byte value, 0x271828af, is xored with the 4-byte RNG output. Further this value is xored with the last 4-byte SY N value before sending the value to the host computer. Using the [15:16]
ascii_field Algorithm 4, we can unmask the 4-byte values returned in a status VSC response to reveal ”raw” RNG bytes from the hardware side. Since this is done pre-authentication, any attacker can generate this from any locked drive.' [15:16]
ascii_field ^ for fuxxsake [15:17]
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mircea_popescu heh [15:32]
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assbot What interests me in a project - ... ( ) [15:35]
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gabrielradio one of the best articles of trilema imho [15:39]
mircea_popescu embrayage eh ? [15:40]
mircea_popescu from embray. works. [15:40]
mircea_popescu " what a hottie of a secretary " << no. pointedly not. what a miracleworker they employ in the front desk. [15:42]
gabrielradio oh, i thought it was "buna" in the other sense [15:43]
ascii_field 'how many connections and interfaces they have for every communication device I would want to use' << l0l, srsly!!? 'come to us, we have thicknet and token ring!!' [15:44]
ascii_field did this also get munged in translation? [15:45]
mircea_popescu not through any fault of his. it's what the text says, on account of it being written in romanian for romanians. [15:46]
mircea_popescu ie, lots of businesses still use paper archival exclusively. [15:46]
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mircea_popescu also lots of proprietary gunk. "stop sending docx, it is NOT USEFUL" [15:47]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: rumour has it there are still usg facilities that have problems with the newfangled electric things. fbi headquarters (the brutalist monster death start in washington) has, i'm told, ethernet snakes on the floor [15:48]
ascii_field *death star [15:48]
mircea_popescu so do i. [15:48]
ascii_field i mean, ones hundreds of metres long [15:48]
ascii_field the sort that one normally stuffs behind drywall [15:48]
mircea_popescu i don't need any cable where i can't see it nor anything but cable tyvm. [15:49]
ascii_field mircea_popescu's flat must be a very merry place [15:49]
ascii_field no raised floor even ? [15:49]
mircea_popescu no raised floor. [15:50]
mircea_popescu i guess i gotta show this now [15:50]
thestringpuller how do the slave girls not trip over the wires? [15:50]
mircea_popescu jumprope in heels. [15:50]
ascii_field thestringpuller: if i had to guess - he nails'em to the wall, as i do [15:51]
mircea_popescu nope. [15:51]
ascii_field to the ceiling ? [15:51]
mircea_popescu ok ima take some pics a sec [15:52]
mircea_popescu ascii_field [16:03]
mircea_popescu see ? [16:03]
assbot A Tale of Two Breakfasts, or, The Whore's Broth on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [16:03]
ascii_field what's this [16:04]
mircea_popescu my floor. [16:06]
mircea_popescu no cables. see ? [16:06]
ascii_field aha. [16:06]
ascii_field l0l cisco box. mircea_popescu took it off a dead nazi, or what. [16:06]
mircea_popescu :D [16:07]
mircea_popescu i had the fucking box packed specially for a monitor lifter. [16:07]
mircea_popescu exactly the right height. all the useful engineering cisco ever did. [16:08]
ascii_field l0lz [16:08]
ascii_field looks not so different from my desk, except that i can't bring myself to eat there [16:10]
mircea_popescu oh, i didn;t eat it there. i was just mixing it as we had the discussion. [16:10]
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mircea_popescu << this shit is beautiful. [16:18]
assbot The Last Psychiatrist: Jay-Z Is A Genius ... ( ) [16:18]
mircea_popescu He's dressing himself in red lines, tempting you to see if they're real or not. [16:18]
mircea_popescu If you are tempted to look more deeply (if you're watching it, it's for you)-- like the smitten girl does-- you'd see this appearance first, then through it: "if you got to know him, you'd see he's really a...!" And then you'd pat yourself on the back for having intellectual courage to not judge by appearances! But you've been fooled by the commercial art illusion, thinking that because you saw through the illusion, th [16:18]
mircea_popescu erefore the deeper level must be authentic. [16:18]
mircea_popescu Those who don't come to it from exactly the right perspective are infuriated, "this guy is a douchebag!" You think you see something more real than she does, but you aren't supposed to see more deeply-- she is. You are supposed to be infuriated-- that's why she looks more deeply. She doesn't like him, she likes what liking him says about her. She likes what your hating him says about her. [16:18]
mircea_popescu "How the hell come she can't see through this poser?" She does see through it, you don't. She sees something fake, then something "real" underneath, and falls for him; you see something fake, stop there, and hate him. [16:18]
mircea_popescu That's exactly what he wanted, both times. [16:18]
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mircea_popescu the meaning of "red lines" to be found in the article previous to the quote. [16:18]
mircea_popescu but he's EXACTLY right. [16:18]
mircea_popescu he could have a ball ravishing teenagers. in fact, possibly the blog hiatus is the direct result of his having figured this out [16:19]
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funkenstein_ thanks :) [16:20]
funkenstein_ aha i was not missing translation, just ignorant [16:21]
funkenstein_ big lurch was not an allegory, but a real rapper.. thanks ;) [16:21]
mircea_popescu ;) [16:21]
funkenstein_ as to the youtube vid stuff, who knows maybe Mark Dice has some worthwhile stuff [16:22]
funkenstein_ seems like more of an Alex Jones than an Remé Gaillard [16:22]
mircea_popescu who even knows. my lack of time/patience for teh youtube is certainly to my detriment [16:23]
funkenstein_ the guy wrote a "resistance manifesto" a decade or so ago [16:25]
mircea_popescu alex jones ? [16:25]
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ascii_field !s crank bait [16:25]
assbot 29 results for 'crank bait' : [16:25]
funkenstein_ Mark Dice [16:26]
funkenstein_ crank bait seems likely :) [16:26]
funkenstein_ a quick scan shows a lot of references to Christianity and Satan [16:27]
mircea_popescu is the guy notable other than "forced youtube to undo a ban" ? [16:28]
funkenstein_ i had never heard of him but hey, I also hadn't heard of Big Lurch [16:28]
mircea_popescu nobody heard of big lurch, kinda the point. [16:28]
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ascii_field 'The MD is always 16 bytes here because it's always MD5.' [16:42]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: guess from where. [16:42]
mircea_popescu hw "crypto" ? [16:42]
ascii_field gpg 1.4.10. [16:43]
ascii_field g10/seskey.c [16:43]
mircea_popescu agagaga wut [16:43]
ascii_field have phun. [16:43]
mircea_popescu oh the session keys. myeah. [16:43]
ascii_field the pkcs1, yes. [16:43]
ascii_field used for all ops. [16:43]
mircea_popescu not depended on tho. but yes. [16:44]
mircea_popescu << for extra lulz. [16:44]
mircea_popescu "concepts". [16:44]
assbot ... ( ) [16:44]
mircea_popescu "In PGP and GnuPG, the public-key cipher is probably the weaker of the pair. Fortunately, however, if an attacker could decrypt a session key it would only be useful for reading the one message encrypted with that session key. The attacker would have to start over and decrypt another session key in order to read any other message." [16:44]
ascii_field interestingly, rfc3447 (section a.2.4) allows other hashes, up to sha512 [16:46]
ascii_field but gpg went with md5. [16:46]
mircea_popescu coincidentally, im sure. [16:46]
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mircea_popescu "But I want to be a ladies man like Don Draper. Back then it was easier, because affairs were more acceptable." [17:00]
mircea_popescu No they weren't. Leaving aside morality, cheating on your wife means that you haven't fully connected to her, or have lost some of that connection. You don't have to be Don Draper to pull that off. "Well, I want to be as suave as he is, I want to pick up girls like he can." It's the same disconnectedness. You could do it, too, then you'll lose the ability to be deeply connected to someone. You can't do both sim [17:00]
mircea_popescu ultaneously. [17:00]
mircea_popescu ahgagaga. [17:00]
mircea_popescu and why not ? "because it wouldn't be fair to the working man" ? [17:00]
mircea_popescu "we're all equal and equally the same and thus therefore clearly - either the H binds to another H or to the end of a C or to something wait, C doesn't exist. EVERYONE HAS ONE VALENCE AND THE WORLD IS MADE OF HYDROGEN" [17:02]
mircea_popescu sure gramps. early history called, they need you back there three seconds after the big bang. [17:03]
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punkman [18:05]
assbot JJ DOOM-Banished (Beck Remix) - YouTube ... ( ) [18:05]
punkman << hah [18:07]
assbot Here's what you don't know or understand about Facebook : everything. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [18:07]
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ascii_field << what are we looking at, in that pic ? [18:33]
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mircea_popescu the other b-a [18:34]
ascii_field don't recall any dark-skinned folk in that b-a [18:35]
mircea_popescu or, if you prefer, a transcript of the chicken coop session on "things and the world" [18:35]
ascii_field (except for a few airplane pilots) [18:35]
mircea_popescu nono. the other forum, where stupid people talk. [18:35]
ascii_field Ah [18:35]
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mircea_popescu it's not even a written medium, not really. [18:36]
ascii_field live from the sewercamz? [18:36]
mircea_popescu except nobody calls them that. live from SOCIAL MEDIA. [18:36]
mircea_popescu the real one. [18:36]
ascii_field incidentally you can get very spiffy endoscope, 10 or more metres cable, for 20 or so usd [18:36]
ascii_field put in sewer. [18:36]
ascii_field anywhere. [18:36]
mircea_popescu bring surveillance state to rats, too ? [18:37]
mircea_popescu problem is rats are a lot smarter than their human counterparts. they're immune. [18:37]
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ascii_field immune? [18:38]
mircea_popescu yes. you can surveillance them until you fall over, they're gonna do whatever they did before. [18:39]
ascii_field ah [18:39]
ascii_field in that sense - yes. [18:39]
mircea_popescu you can run a bunch of tv specials about "ratcism", they're still gonna do exactly what they did before [18:39]
mircea_popescu etc. [18:39]
mircea_popescu 0 feedback, which puts them WAY ahead of what your AVERAGE human being achieves. [18:39]
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ascii_field l0l!!! [18:41]
ascii_field steorn! [18:41]
ascii_field still exists! [18:41]
ascii_field that's gotta be some kind of longevity record.. [18:41]
BingoBoingo Seriously [18:42]
ascii_field it isn't in any sense 'new' either [18:42]
mircea_popescu you see the irony of PERPETUAL energy scam ? [18:42]
BingoBoingo it isn't in any sense 'new' either << New is failed Altcoin scammers resorting to it [18:43]
ascii_field BingoBoingo, ben_vulpes, other aficionados: [18:45]
assbot RARE Vintage Computer Symbolics XL1201 Lisp Machine | eBay ... ( ) [18:45]
ascii_field ^ this is the box amex used to keep entire dc of [18:45]
ascii_field (fraud detector heuristic) [18:45]
BingoBoingo Very cool [18:46]
mircea_popescu "In keeping with this development, sometime in the future cord bloods will be taken routinely from birth and used to delineate the individual's DNA so that genetic information will be readily available under emergency conditions to assure proper assessment of violent people. Hence, a patient presenting with an episode of violence and a history to support that will have their DNA contrasted with norms to determine if th [18:46]
mircea_popescu ey have a predisposition to aggression and violence..." [18:46]
mircea_popescu this from a study on shit, that doesn't even halfway hold up to any sort of scrutiny : [18:47]
assbot The Last Psychiatrist: More On Amygdala, Anxiety, and MRIs ... ( ) [18:47]
mircea_popescu but as he points out, "we've agreed, it's just what's done". [18:47]
mircea_popescu the "humanist" war on humanity continues. [18:48]
mircea_popescu meanwhile at sanity ranch : punch an enlightened douchebag today. the fact Maya Angelou, diane keaton, Nancy Reagan et all haven't died with a cock shaped icepick through their eyes is bad enough. [18:49]
ascii_field their eternal fantasy is, unsurprisingly, 100% yield of homo redditicus ~at birth~. [18:49]
mircea_popescu the eternal fantasy is, "omnivore basically means herbivore, rite ?" [18:50]
ascii_field aha. [18:50]
mircea_popescu kinda why it's so important to rape and kill them. [18:50]
mircea_popescu rape, for the wails, kill, for the evolutionary considerations. [18:51]
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ascii_field to borrow from old west, 'ain't room enough in town for the both of'em' - the humanist and humanity, that is. [18:53]
mircea_popescu in point of fact, there's no room in attention for the thing and its copy, which is why isms are for the stupid and the poor. [18:55]
shinohai <<< BadBitcoin "threatened" to ruin me on twitter for pointing out their support for GAW. [18:55]
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shinohai It resulted in a block. I'm scared. [18:55]
mircea_popescu what's that supposed to mean shinohai ? [18:55]
mircea_popescu lolk/ [18:56]
shinohai I dunno, I tweeted something some time ago about them being no better than scammers for their support of GAW, they threatened to have me removed from twitter, etc. [18:58]
mircea_popescu no but i mean, "ruin you on twitter". [18:59]
mircea_popescu whassat ? por favor deje su "amen". [18:59]
shinohai I'm at a loss on that one too. Not like I can't just make another friggin account, or that I even care what they think, etc. [18:59]
mircea_popescu oh right right, i guess im ruined in fetlife (bdsm ?) because they banned some random people just in case we were connected. lolk. [18:59]
shinohai De verdad no se, son imbeciles. [18:59]
thestringpuller When did facebook /wind 17 [19:01]
mircea_popescu aaand ethereum is back to doing it's 10% a day loss dance. 0.00166 now [19:01]
thestringpuller >:( [19:01]
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mircea_popescu idiot. somebody really does not understand flow huh ? [19:03]
ascii_field aha. [19:04]
mircea_popescu what did he THINK was going to happen ? [19:04]
ascii_field think? [19:04]
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mircea_popescu "oh, im just going to drive this plow against the fluid front, creating a wave off center and all will be well because..." [19:04]
ascii_field thinkin's for them eggheads. the spartan - speaks with his truck! [19:04]
mircea_popescu ahok. [19:04]
mircea_popescu this spartan drunk with his truck. [19:05]
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jurov ^ i can nominate it to b-a anthem [19:07]
ascii_field i thought we already had, horst wessel [19:07]
ascii_field or am i confusing with pete_dushenski's eagle. [19:08]
jurov eh, pete's trying to paint us fourth reich or whatevs [19:08]
mircea_popescu mostly unrelated, [19:09]
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ascii_field l0l, so fond of back door! [19:10]
mircea_popescu im trying to cater to both heterosexual and homosexual prurient interest. [19:11]
ascii_field 'we'll make trucks over five tonnes switch sides first!' [19:11]
mircea_popescu :D [19:11]
mircea_popescu but it is seriously teh traditional panacea for female/passive element of youthful complexion with midrif sores. [19:12]
mircea_popescu "get over it". [19:12]
mircea_popescu i suspect it's where the thing got started. [19:12]
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jurov mircea_popescu: sorry to disappoint you, male model isn't more fully visible [19:15]
mircea_popescu huh ? [19:15]
jurov maybe it's just me but i don't like porn zooming all in to genitalia and spending minutes there, especially in this time of huge HD screens [19:16]
jurov and the pic is halfway there [19:17]
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mircea_popescu omaigawd you watch pr0n like a girl. what do you want next, fucking scents ? feelings ? CONTEXT ??? [19:17]
mircea_popescu the hd is there so you can see what a good job the bikini wax salon did on her perineal raphe. [19:18]
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mircea_popescu (idle thought : if internet porn "objectifies women" / "contains experts", where's all the articles expertly discussing the relative value of a whorl on said raphe ? what do you think, do women with twin hairline do better in bed than the normal (single line) ? [19:20]
mircea_popescu where's the whole whorl - and - sexuality discussion anyway! [19:21]
ascii_field in the same shangri-la as the little vs big-endian debates. [19:21]
mircea_popescu no. those actually happened. [19:22]
mircea_popescu this did not. [19:22]
mircea_popescu (but, to keep things sophisticated - the raphe is more visible in males than in females ; also males lack a penis bone, much like the horse lacks a clavicle. it has been suggested that THIS is what the adam rib story is all about - god took man's penis bone and left a cvasi-scar.) [19:23]
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mircea_popescu << this shit's epic. "Note that they dropped the "Saint." Meanwhile, there's no problem referring, a few sentences later, to Gandhi as "Mahatma." That's okay, because no educated person actually thinks Gandhi is a saint, but there are still plenty of numbskulls who need to be reminded that Aquinas isn't." [19:33]
assbot The Last Psychiatrist: The Neurobiology of Wisdom ... ( ) [19:33]
mircea_popescu the trully horrid Meeks and Jeste "study" on "wisdom" and that fucktard Henry Nasrallah's repackaging of the same are splendid anecdotal points to drive this entire "the difference between a libertard and a religious bigot is that the religious bigot is actually anachronistic, and in this sense MORE CULTURALLY ADVANCED." [19:34]
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mircea_popescu that's right : voting obama is NOT more advanced than being a redneck. it is LESS so. [19:35]
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mircea_popescu << from which we find that the twinklederps are about half as interesting as nascarface derp. [20:03]
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BingoBoingo Seriously [20:05]
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pete_dushenski << elizabeth banks is painful to watch. obnoxious as all hell, insufficiently sexy, and now getting long in the tooth. [20:07]
assbot Logged on 20-10-2015 00:11:51; mircea_popescu: Zack & Miri Make a Porno [20:07]
mircea_popescu verily. [20:08]
pete_dushenski oh well, good thing bellucci is still makes movies i guess [20:09]
mircea_popescu just how much flan can a person eat! [20:09]
pete_dushenski haven't seen a movie in theatres in a few months, thinking the new bond flick will break the seal. [20:10]
BingoBoingo I'm surprised how little marketing it has gotten [20:12]
pete_dushenski << who wants to play alaric ? [20:13]
assbot Logged on 20-10-2015 01:07:48; mircea_popescu: so so very 400 ad. [20:13]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo how'd you know ? i sure wouldn't. hardly ever see advertising tbh [20:13]
pete_dushenski blocked in browser, none in here, don't pass many billboards, don't hardly watch tv [20:14]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: That I guess could also be it. [20:14]
BingoBoingo Back in 2012 I was exposed to far more of that shit. [20:14]
pete_dushenski for all i know pepsi is giving away free blowjobs with every 12-pack [20:14]
pete_dushenski or justin trudeau is buying every canadian a phree double-double [20:15]
pete_dushenski with red food colouring ! [20:15]
pete_dushenski with their own money ! [20:15]
pete_dushenski but for phree ! [20:15]
pete_dushenski so, yea, canada has a new pm [20:16]
pete_dushenski first dynasty, young handsome charmer, because why not put the best of bush and obama into a blender and ship the product up north ? [20:16]
pete_dushenski like romanian kids wanted to work for 'international firm', canadians want politicians like usistan has. [20:17]
pete_dushenski << mega-thread here. [20:18]
assbot Logged on 20-10-2015 17:33:01; ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 'And it is because the real estate prices in Beijing etc have made it so that young women are unaffordable.' << what does this mean? [20:18]
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mircea_popescu ;P [20:19]
pete_dushenski also re-read the essences trifecta on trilema today. i guess it's an expressions and changes kinda day. [20:21]
phf BingoBoingo, ben_vulpes, other aficionados: << given that prices on symbolics hardware gone 3x in the past five years, i expect that same machine to fetch $40 000 in a year or two [20:21]
assbot RARE Vintage Computer Symbolics XL1201 Lisp Machine | eBay ... ( ) [20:21]
pete_dushenski the essences made far more sense than they did whenever i read them last, maybe 6-9 months ago [20:21]
pete_dushenski much as tlp is finding new life here, with fresher, more mature eyes [20:22]
pete_dushenski phf almost as good as bitcoin, that. just harder to ship. [20:22]
mircea_popescu phf and what's this say about inflation ? note that they are artwork in any sense. [20:23]
BingoBoingo So coca-cola was the villain this whole time [20:23]
assbot The obesity paradox: Why Coke is promoting a theory that being fat won’t hurt your health - Vox ... ( ) [20:23]
pete_dushenski not artwork ? [20:23]
mircea_popescu hm ? [20:24]
pete_dushenski "note that they are artwork in any sense" sounds funny. like it should either be "not that they are artwork in any sense" or "note that they are NOT artwork in any sense" [20:25]
pete_dushenski or "note that they are artwork in every sense" [20:25]
mircea_popescu any implies negative ? [20:26]
pete_dushenski mya [20:27]
phf << was trying to buy this one, got as high as $1100 on best offer, guy wouldn't go any lower then $1400 [20:27]
assbot RARE Vintage Computer Symbolics 3600 Lisp Machine Keyboard | eBay ... ( ) [20:27]
pete_dushenski << i bet that cisco box contains shrunken heads of usg wreckers [20:28]
assbot Logged on 20-10-2015 19:06:16; ascii_field: l0l cisco box. mircea_popescu took it off a dead nazi, or what. [20:28]
BingoBoingo << LolMusk [20:29]
assbot Tesla Reliability Doesn’t Match Its High Performance - Consumer Reports ... ( ) [20:29]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski actually it contains condoms. [20:29]
pete_dushenski aha. which reminds me, i need to put that on my grocery list ! [20:29]
BingoBoingo "The brake rotors tend to warp. And the door handles often fail to “present” themselves as drivers approach their cars." [20:29]
BingoBoingo "The main problem areas involved the drivetrain, power equipment, charging equipment, giant iPad-like center console, and body and sunroof squeaks, rattles, and leaks." [20:30]
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mircea_popescu and speaking of condoms : can not be underlined enough!11 [20:30]
assbot Logged on 26-07-2015 17:51:01; mircea_popescu: speaking of condoms... for many years, i was using imported magnums. broke like...i dunno, twenty over a decade ? easily 1%. [20:30]
BingoBoingo [20:31]
assbot How an F Student Became America’s Most Prolific Inventor — Bloomberg Business ... ( ) [20:31]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo sounds pretty bad. [20:31]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It's pretty bad compared to my more than a decade old Saturn plastic car [20:31]
mircea_popescu mya [20:32]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo i have fond memories of those saturnmobiles. some fillies in undergrad had them. [20:33]
pete_dushenski which is no knock on them [20:34]
pete_dushenski they're pretty funky things [20:34]
BingoBoingo Every couple years something expected to wear out wears out, but other than that it's not needed much other than maintenance [20:34]
pete_dushenski "Despite the problems, our data show that Tesla owner satisfaction is still very high: Ninety-seven percent of owners said they would definitely buy their car again." << now that's a fucking cult [20:35]
pete_dushenski "was raped and beat-up and left for dead. a+++ 10/10 would do again!" [20:35]
pete_dushenski priceless [20:35]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo that's the mark of an actual car, as opposed to a 'smartphone' [20:36]
BingoBoingo I don't get how they can be happy with just a 200 mile range before refilling [20:36]
phf i suspect that failures in this case are seen as being on bleeding edge, sort of meta-meta-maker [20:36]
pete_dushenski "oh you broke your screen/headlight ? that'll be 3/4 of the cost of a new one." [20:36]
BingoBoingo Maximum cost for parts on plasti-saturn is ~$2000 for a donor car in great condition [20:37]
pete_dushenski phf lol inb4 3d printer option in-between backseats so kids can 'innovate' while on road trip [20:37]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo honestly, my merc is the same story. actually machines. plenty of parts and parts cars. even if, on short notice, clean body panels sometimes come from very, very far afield as seen in [20:39]
assbot Hey Edmonton Police Service, what part of private property don’t YOU understand? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [20:39]
phf some part of car is replaced by a 3d printed equivalent, there's stl models and tutorials on, details on how to print your own, spiffier version [20:39]
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pete_dushenski but mechanical components are always readily at hand. can only imagine tesla ownership in backwaters such as these [20:40]
pete_dushenski phf lulz [20:40]
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pete_dushenski ;;isitup [20:41]
gribble Error: "isitup" is not a valid command. [20:41]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Kinda why if I replace it I am looking at incredibly common compact trucks [20:41]
pete_dushenski ;;isitdown [20:41]
gribble is down [20:41]
pete_dushenski mkay [20:41]
mircea_popescu phf> i suspect that failures in this case are seen as being on bleeding edge, sort of meta-meta-maker << maybe the truth is, the people who buy teslas don't have anywhere to go anyway. [20:42]
BingoBoingo But great work on that panel pete_dushenski [20:42]
mircea_popescu "here's my very expensive excuse as to why i'm not going out of the house. it's not that im borderline autistic, it's that i save the environment. from myself." [20:42]
pete_dushenski cheers :) [20:42]
phf whole foods? [20:42]
mircea_popescu sounds legit. [20:42]
mircea_popescu iirc you order those now, no ? [20:42]
BingoBoingo I actually saw a Tesla here driving in backwater exurban town. Have no Idea why. [20:43]
mircea_popescu trying to pick up chix ? [20:43]
phf i suppose you either amazon it or else "shop local" i.e. within walking/biking distance [20:44]
BingoBoingo Mebbe [20:44]
mircea_popescu "my other bike is a tesla" [20:44]
phf hahah [20:44]
pete_dushenski the black tesla i saw at the racquet club yesterday was driven by trophy wife with two kidlets in tow [20:44]
mircea_popescu 200 miles sounds remarkably like bike range [20:44]
pete_dushenski a good bicyclist will do 100 km in a day [20:44]
BingoBoingo It is exactly the upper limit of bike range nearly [20:45]
mircea_popescu what if you stick his cock in a socket ? [20:45]
pete_dushenski 100 km is nissan leaf range, give or take. [20:45]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu then he loses his trophies for 'juicing' [20:45]
mircea_popescu lol [20:46]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu then he loses his trophies for 'juicing' << Unless bicycle cop, then promoted [20:47]
pete_dushenski the expansion of means and methods of police mobility in just the last decade is pretty astounding. [20:49]
pete_dushenski used to be foot or cruiser, that's it. [20:49]
pete_dushenski now : foot, car cruiser, truck cruiser, armoured transport, bicycle, segway, and who knows mebbe jetpack [20:50]
pete_dushenski oh, i guess helicopter does that eh [20:50]
mircea_popescu << fucking epic. omfg what would the net be without this guy. quote : [20:50]
mircea_popescu "What happened is that Wolf was in the middle of a story some people suspected was a hoax, but was still being reported as a "thank god he was hiding in the garage" drama. So he tried to protect the story. He tried to pretend he missed the comment so that everyone could go on with the story as it was being told. [20:50]
mircea_popescu If you agree with this, then you have to also face the fact that Wolf didn't consciously plan, "no matter what happens in this interview, I'm going to cover it up"-- it was a reflex, an instinct. Get a drink, think about this: a reporter's instinct wasn't to go for the truth, but to go with the scripted story. [20:50]
mircea_popescu You may think that I'm too much with the rum or too hard on Wolf-- "he seems like such a nice man" but it's not Wolf's fault. He's a cog in the Matrix. The next day Meredith Vieira interviews the family live on the Today show. While the father is denying to her it was a hoax, the boy suddenly says, "mom, I need a cup" and vomits. Vierra's response to this is nothing. Forget about the implications of the boy's vom [20:50]
mircea_popescu iting, she does not even acknowledge that he vomited. Is she heartless? No. She's flustered: her instinct is to preserve the show, like a stage actress, keep the scene going no matter what else happens." [20:50]
assbot The Last Psychiatrist: Wolf Blitzer Is Not An Idiot ... ( ) [20:50]
BingoBoingo Hometown definitely had bike cops at least a decade and a half ago. [20:50]
pete_dushenski hm. ok. maybe 20 years ago then [20:52]
pete_dushenski i'm getting old, what [20:52]
pete_dushenski it used to be "omigerd a decade is fo-ev-ah". gonna take some getting used to, this. [20:53]
BingoBoingo I'm slowly coming to terms with this. [20:53]
shinohai <<< in order to learn how to make better clocks no doubt. [21:05]
assbot The Teenaged Maker Who Was Arrested For Building A Clock Is Moving To Qatar | TechCrunch ... ( ) [21:05]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo can you check the qntra spam filter for a comment of mine ? i think it got scarfed. [21:06]
pete_dushenski twas last night something [21:06]
pete_dushenski sometime* [21:06]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell jurov thanks for the coinbr fix ! [21:06]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:06]
mircea_popescu ahaha. if "meets obama" clocktard comes back a decade later onboard a plane that slams into the wh and kills the us president, i WILL write the "obama trained a future terrorist" article. [21:06]
mircea_popescu and this isn't that far fetched, either : us is just about due for a dead president. [21:07]
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shinohai I don't think it's far-fetched either. [21:07]
pete_dushenski qatar > mit. [21:07]
pete_dushenski middle east > usistan, despite lack of own brass bullets [21:08]
mircea_popescu of course, qatar is a reasonably rich, aspirational sort of arab world [21:08]
mircea_popescu not exactly pakistani [21:08]
shinohai Also, mircea_popescu added a new term to my vocabulary: clocktard [21:08]
mircea_popescu did you see the clock the kid made ? [21:09]
pete_dushenski << i recall this aversion as well. when i was 12 ;p [21:09]
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mircea_popescu as alf pointed out, with the power chord still attached, it looks like one of those retard constructions [21:09]
pete_dushenski thus, lesbians and chicks in wet t-shirts ! [21:09]
shinohai Any other kid with half a brain would have written a cool clock script in python and showed his teacher. [21:10]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu qatar is 'not exactly pakistan' for as long as it can fend off isis. so what, a few years ? a decade ? [21:10]
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mircea_popescu you will notice isis is not really going for qtar [21:10]
mircea_popescu they'll probably conquer athens before qatar. [21:10]
pete_dushenski now there's a bet [21:11]
shinohai s'ok Putin got it under control. He'll squash them like they did Afghanistan in the 80's [21:11]
mircea_popescu the LAST thing they want is rich people who are also muslims dislinkign them. [21:11]
pete_dushenski i'd take even money on qatar falling before athens, if anyone's interested [21:12]
mircea_popescu how to be measured ? [21:12]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Gotta resubmit. Last night means there's about 3/4 of a MB of fresh spam to dig through [21:12]
pete_dushenski can't grep or otherwise search ? [21:13]
mircea_popescu ouch bb that sdounds pretty bad [21:13]
mircea_popescu search for his email. [21:13]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Not really. I mean if you can offer an hour and minute UTC. [21:13]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: WIll try that [21:13]
BingoBoingo << Approved [21:15]
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pete_dushenski cheers mate. [21:16]
pete_dushenski aite, i'm off to go bang my head against pergolesi's magnificat. such a bitch, this thing. later ! [21:17]
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mircea_popescu what's the problem with banging hos [21:17]
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asciilifeform << he 'made' nothing. my initial description was proven correct, he disassembled an old clock (folks found which make & model) and glued into a box. [21:19]
assbot Logged on 21-10-2015 00:08:21; mircea_popescu: did you see the clock the kid made ? [21:19]
mircea_popescu well he didn't invent it, he still made it. if you got a fish in a fishtank and it makes a poop, it didn't make that poop ? [21:20]
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asciilifeform in that sense - yes. [21:20]
mircea_popescu what are you, obama ? [21:20]
BingoBoingo Fucker didn't even make the box? [21:20]
mircea_popescu well yeah. [21:20]
asciilifeform obummer. [21:20]
mircea_popescu !up kdomanski [21:20]
-assbot- You voiced kdomanski for 30 minutes. [21:20]
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* asciilifeform just opened a 'your costs will go up exponentially' thingie from 'health insurance' [21:20]
mircea_popescu change you can believe in. [21:21]
mircea_popescu more of the same and less of everything. [21:21]
asciilifeform !s chocolate ration [21:21]
assbot 2 results for 'chocolate ration' : [21:21]
mircea_popescu if vlad tepes were half-black dude born in kenya, [21:22]
mircea_popescu he'd probably have impaled people on toothpicks. [21:22]
asciilifeform << holy fuck, i have two. paid a hundy for each. [21:22]
assbot Logged on 20-10-2015 23:27:02; phf: << was trying to buy this one, got as high as $1100 on best offer, guy wouldn't go any lower then $1400 [21:22]
mircea_popescu o look, they also went up exponentially in future [21:22]
asciilifeform but somehow i doubt that the market for these has 'depth' [21:22]
mircea_popescu phf wouldja pay him 4 btc for one ? [21:23]
asciilifeform i got an 'old-style' and 'new-style' (the latter is pictured in the ebay link) [21:23]
asciilifeform one (but not both) is for sale... [21:23]
asciilifeform (other - also for sale, but with whole orchestra) [21:23]
mircea_popescu please buy his old junk so he can uproot already kthx. [21:23]
asciilifeform * the former is pictured [21:24]
phf you're selling the whole orchestra, huh? [21:24]
asciilifeform old: new: [21:24]
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asciilifeform phf: i've been (futilely) selling it for ages. [21:25]
asciilifeform << nice photo of them side by side [21:25]
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asciilifeform phf: machine: [21:25]
assbot Loper OS » “Lisp, Lisp, Lisp Machine, Lisp Machine is Fun!” ... ( ) [21:26]
mircea_popescu "Here's what happened on 9/12 at my hospital, and what happens in so many cases of high-emotion altruism: they take the day off in order to go to NYC, but then don't actually go (car wouldn't start; heard on the radio they were blocking volunteers, etc). They win: they get the reward of the sacrifice, perform no actual sacrifice, and get the day off. Meanwhile, someone else had to sacrifice to cover their responsibil [21:26]
mircea_popescu ities. [21:26]
mircea_popescu I think Rita Owens meant the statement "more Caucasian men stepping up" as a jab at blacks to get them movitated, but if it is factually accurate then these Caucasians are idiots. Really? Big Brothers? That's the call you heard? Whites seem particularly prone to manic devotions to faddish volunteerism inspired by celebrity that are transparently self-aggrandizing. And temporary-- they inevitably quit when the nex [21:26]
mircea_popescu t fashion comes along. " [21:26]
mircea_popescu awww! [21:26]
asciilifeform << more of a ming vase. [21:27]
assbot Logged on 20-10-2015 23:22:28; mircea_popescu: phf and what's this say about inflation ? note that they are artwork in any sense. [21:27]
asciilifeform (than, e.g., rembrandt) [21:27]
asciilifeform but yes, artwork. [21:27]
phf so what are you asking for whole orchestra? [21:29]
asciilifeform difficult question. because i cannot offer ANY guarantee that it will survive shipping. [21:30]
asciilifeform in fact, i can pretty much guarantee that it will ~not~... [21:30]
phf doesn't need to, i will pick it up from the door [21:30]
phf assuming it's in DC [21:30]
asciilifeform hm. if the keyboard thing is any indicator, i now have nfi what the thing is worth. [21:31]
BingoBoingo assuming it's in DC << Awe, I though I would get a chance to open Bingo's courier service. [21:32]
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phf delivery by dc bike messenger [21:33]
asciilifeform and i have yet to meet with anybody who really grasped what he'd be getting into, buying this machine. [21:35]
BingoBoingo phf: Nah, motor courier service operating out of the central US, but if you are closer... [21:35]
asciilifeform especially now that dks has run short of parts (as, by all indications, he has, or we wouldn't be having this conversation..) [21:35]
phf asciilifeform: well twenex was selling a handful of ivory's for ~5000k, so a 3620 with it's power requirements and refrigerator size will be some fraction of that [21:35]
asciilifeform i see 9.5k [21:36]
asciilifeform wonder how he intends to ship it [21:36]
asciilifeform less of an issue, interestingly, with the xl1200 [21:36]
asciilifeform (it is considerably lighter, something quite like a '90s pc) [21:37]
phf well, it's fraction of a size [21:37]
phf right [21:37]
phf i assume it's also significantly quieter ;) [21:38]
asciilifeform likely. [21:38]
* asciilifeform does not have a xl [21:38]
* asciilifeform has it on good authority that at least one u.s. army lab still runs a number of xl boxes ! [21:38]
asciilifeform as in, 24/7 [21:38]
asciilifeform they never, ever go down. [21:38]
asciilifeform for any reason. [21:39]
phf BingoBoingo: i'm actually moving to dc, so yeah, will be within shooting distance from ascii [21:41]
asciilifeform << this was an obscene - in the sense of serving as conclusive proof that everyone who parroted the story in the fishwrap, etc. is long overdue to be boiled for soap - because - think about it... [21:41]
assbot Logged on 20-10-2015 23:50:06; mircea_popescu: If you agree with this, then you have to also face the fact that Wolf didn't consciously plan, "no matter what happens in this interview, I'm going to cover it up"-- it was a reflex, an instinct. Get a drink, think about this: a reporter's instinct wasn't to go for the truth, but to go with the scripted story. [21:41]
asciilifeform what is a weather balloon? how much does it lift ? [21:41]
asciilifeform is this quantity within an order of magnitude of what a boy (even a very small boy) weights [21:41]
asciilifeform and did anyone so much as bother to consider it? [21:42]
BingoBoingo phf: Ah. Entire appeal of Bingo's occasional courier service would largely be derived from proximity to US highways 50 and 40 facillitating broad range of lateral movement. [21:43]
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phf could target ebay sales of oversized, hard to deliver items [21:47]
BingoBoingo Well that and carrying the payload the comfort only a reliable yet non-descript family sedan can provide. [21:47]
BingoBoingo phf: Qntra takes too much of my time for that. [21:47]
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BingoBoingo Need the trifecta of over weight item, hard to insure, actually demands delicate treatment beyond UPS or USPS can provide [21:48]
phf might as well transport drugs [21:49]
BingoBoingo Nah, seizure risk is too much along with risk to qntra from lockup time [21:49]
BingoBoingo But endangered computing equipment, might be a niche market [21:50]
asciilifeform problem is not simply that it is oversized. [21:50]
asciilifeform but that it is a ming vase. [21:50]
BingoBoingo The serious problem [21:51]
BingoBoingo delicate [21:51]
asciilifeform as in, if it breaks, it cannot be meaningfully repaired (unlike the vase!) and certainly not replaced [21:51]
BingoBoingo Which is Y no UPS [21:52]
asciilifeform buyer would have to also understand that the thing is full of electrolytic caps, circa 1986; and there is a mechanical hdd [21:52]
asciilifeform which 1) uses incompatible, unreadable on any modern system whatsoever, electrical interface [21:53]
asciilifeform 2) cannot be reinstalled (i don't have the tapes, or the tape drive) even if you could obtain another. [21:53]
asciilifeform for a while i researched the protocol and tried to build a solid-state replacement, got nowhere, too much like actual work [21:54]
asciilifeform the really fragile part is the console. [21:56]
asciilifeform (it is not a mere display monitor, but actually its own - 16-bit! computer.) [21:57]
asciilifeform connects to the box itself with a thick triax cable [21:57]
asciilifeform (the machine is loud, as in vacuum cleaner, so idea was that it lives in its own room, console - in a quiet, distant one.) [21:57]
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* BingoBoingo wishes more contemporary machines weren't afraid to be loud in the name of cooling. [22:03]
phf requires one of those futuristic syd mead houses, with an office room overlooking alpha centauri landscape, that's where you put the console. the computer is in the basement, calculating landing trajectories, for the private spaceship of your visiting friends [22:05]
mircea_popescu IF spaceships ever become a thing, then therefore surface living will be sort-of like mountain living today. [22:06]
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mircea_popescu no sane people wanted to live in the plain, for all of history, until machinery. [22:06]
mircea_popescu it's prohibitively expensive and also nonsensical to land a spaceship. and so... [22:06]
mircea_popescu live in orbit, visit the surface like you visit the seaside today. [22:06]
BingoBoingo no sane people wanted to live in the plain, for all of history, until machinery. << On a hill by a river or coast has always been and forever will be ideal on earth [22:07]
mircea_popescu doesn't build too good cities tho. [22:07]
BingoBoingo Of course. Good people though only keep a townhouse in the city [22:08]
phf mircea_popescu: well, yes, in the above narrative it's a summer house, you go there if you want to be alone and study migration patterns of some quirky local species, which is your hobby. all the action is in the orbit [22:09]
BingoBoingo St Louis tried the city on a hill thing and only got Ferguson and a bunch of outlying areas that flood from time to time [22:09]
mircea_popescu i suppose in the south of the future the masters live in orbit and the slaves roam below. to be abducted now and again for sexual services or w/e. [22:11]
BingoBoingo And further in the future quality slut breeders get a place in orbit without the good view. [22:12]
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kakobrekla > good cooling doesnt have to be loud [22:14]
assbot Logged on 21-10-2015 01:02:21; *: BingoBoingo wishes more contemporary machines weren't afraid to be loud in the name of cooling. [22:14]
BingoBoingo kakobrekla: It does if you need to cool all the power [22:14]
BingoBoingo Sure one can quietly cool even a great machine. [22:14]
BingoBoingo But how does one quietly cool a monster [22:15]
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kakobrekla with a monster heatsink [22:17]
BingoBoingo Sure, but if the monster wants to idle at 300C you need moar than a heatsink. I'm disappointed there aren't many if any new chips like this [22:19]
kakobrekla nah. [22:20]
mircea_popescu temperature is not really the problem for a heatsink. [22:21]
mircea_popescu (think about it - temperature helps its function, that's how it works). [22:21]
mircea_popescu heat debit might be, maybe. [22:22]
BingoBoingo At some point gotta bring in a fan [22:22]
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kakobrekla hot air will raise creating some draft [22:24]
BingoBoingo But if air heats faster, there's gotta be a limit before you bring in the noise to bend air to your will [22:26]
mircea_popescu the only time you have to fan it is when the thing is INTOLERANT of temperature. the higher temperature it can tolerate the less fan you need. [22:27]
BingoBoingo base materials gotta have melting points [22:27]
BingoBoingo Also a wouldn't a 250 GHz chip cooled by having a small jet engine intake pull away the hot air be cool? [22:28]
BingoBoingo I mean an oil cooling system that burn the oil (Jet A only) [22:29]
phf new ricer fad, how loud your system is, neighbors call cops, "bro, i'm compling gentoo with -O10" [22:30]
BingoBoingo Seriously, except you tell the Po-Po you are curing cancer by donating your spare cycles [22:31]
phf verifying gavinblocks [22:32]
mircea_popescu if you move the air fast enough it will actually add heat. [22:36]
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BingoBoingo That too [22:40]
BingoBoingo To both previous non join/part lines actually [22:40]
BingoBoingo Randiant heat from the engine also a hazard. [22:49]
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BingoBoingo Fuck, radiant heat. We are talking about engines in general, not John Galt's in particular. [22:51]
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deedbot- [Trilema] The problem with altruism... - [23:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47950 @ 0.00052679 = 25.2596 BTC [-] [23:24]
asciilifeform << iirc there was a film... [23:30]
assbot Logged on 21-10-2015 01:10:25; mircea_popescu: i suppose in the south of the future the masters live in orbit and the slaves roam below. to be abducted now and again for sexual services or w/e. [23:30]
asciilifeform forgot the title [23:31]
asciilifeform << perhaps BingoBoingo should look into the LN2 pc recipe. [23:32]
assbot Logged on 21-10-2015 01:28:08; BingoBoingo: Also a wouldn't a 250 GHz chip cooled by having a small jet engine intake pull away the hot air be cool? [23:32]
asciilifeform (at the very least, to get a feel for the actual physical limits involved.) [23:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14117 @ 0.00052614 = 7.4275 BTC [-] {3} [23:35]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Actually right now I'm working on a qntra piece on biological limits. originally targeted it for end of the month, but should be out by end of the week [23:36]
* asciilifeform was not aware of there having appeared new biological limits... [23:36]
* asciilifeform thought that qntra was a nyooz site [23:37]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Tis a new site. The biological limits part involves US Law enforcement and clearnet markets they seem to like vs dislike. [23:38]
BingoBoingo i.e. WHy are Darknet busts full og C IV xanax paraded while clearnet C III busts not so much an only involve... to be revealed [23:39]
BingoBoingo And if asciilifeform gendarmie predictions come true the still will like... [23:41]
BingoBoingo As regular army does [23:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00052612 = 5.2612 BTC [-] [23:50]
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danielpbarron << >> In the year 2154, the very wealthy live on a man-made space station while the rest of the population resides on a ruined Earth. A man takes on a mission that could bring equality to the polarized worlds. [23:59]
assbot Logged on 21-10-2015 02:30:16; asciilifeform: forgot the title [23:59]
assbot Elysium (2013) - IMDb ... ( ) [23:59]
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