Forum logs for 20 Oct 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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BingoBoingo	Continues http://qntra.net/2014/10/cryptocoinsnews-is-anything-but/#comment-120	[00:02]
assbot	CryptoCoinsNews Is Anything But \| Qntra.net	[00:02]
mats_cd03	reads like vexual	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	http://clarobscur.ro/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/tga_0016.jpg << talented kid.	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	mats_cd03 "asking for a friend"	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	as in,	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	'hey guise, how do you make meth in your kitchen ? afaf"	[00:03]
bounce	then again, should I leave the re-repe-repete-etc. stuff in so someone can make a fancy js thingy out of it?	[00:04]
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mircea_popescu	no.	[00:05]
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mircea_popescu	i was just thinking... i wonder if in the future the sex domme role and the hacker role will merge,	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	and offer "desktop domination services"	[00:06]
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BingoBoingo	bounce: I'm cutting out the stupid repetition from being a bunch of slides	[00:16]
bounce	you're busy with it? oh well.	[00:17]
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decimation	yeah that probably 'worked' better with the speech. I wonder if there's a video?	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	you two gotta talk more.	[00:17]
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bounce	meh	[00:19]
PinkPosixPXE	I've looked, there's no video that I can find	[00:20]
PinkPosixPXE	it was from the H2HC convention	[00:20]
assbot	ninjashogun +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -4	[00:24]
ben_vulpes	paha	[00:25]
ben_vulpes	from the derpotron: https://blocksign.com/	[00:25]
assbot	BlockSign	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	let me guess	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	no, on second thought... nevermind.	[00:26]
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PinkPosixPXE	Here's a decent thread that provides some of the cliff notes, and main points (based on some of the viewer's/reader's interpretation) : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8478427	[00:31]
assbot	Making sure crypto remains insecure [pdf] \| Hacker News	[00:31]
asciilifeform	blocksign << aha let's have a 'keybase' variant of 'deedbot.' haha.	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	PinkPosixPXE could it not be pdf ?	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	ah i guess you meant the comments huh.	[00:32]
PinkPosixPXE	I've searched far and wide, only a pdf version of his slides, I imagine they were just markers for him. But the commentary in the thread, specifically the first user, bullet points some of the main topics.	[00:33]
PinkPosixPXE	Best I could find, no video/recorded broadcast on the H2HC site or anywhere for that matter. :/	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes: how are you to fight the usg thusly? << clearly, one who "does not understand how the world works", the highest honor said usg can bestow upon people.	[00:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00073662 = 11.4544 BTC [-]	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	Adlai: it's a shitty one if all you do while not starving is waste oxygen <<< oxygen can't really be wasted, it's an atom.	[00:34]
bounce	won't somebody think of the free radicals?	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	i suppose that's us ?	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	the free radicals ?	[00:36]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://loper-os.org/pub/bernstein.tar.gz	[00:37]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: enjoy	[00:37]
asciilifeform	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8478427 << gotta love the shitgnomes repeating their mantras of 'it was an accident111!11', 'security is impossibly hard!', 'never roll your own crypto', and other tiresome disinfo.	[00:41]
assbot	Making sure crypto remains insecure [pdf] \| Hacker News	[00:41]
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undata	asciilifeform: interesting chat concept on the front page of that site; is it yours?	[00:42]
asciilifeform	?	[00:42]
asciilifeform	which site	[00:42]
undata	asciilifeform: loper.os.org	[00:42]
asciilifeform	ah yes, mine.	[00:43]
undata	bah, close enough on the domain	[00:43]
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mircea_popescu	o look, asciilifeform named his site after his intended os. like that temple guy!	[00:43]
asciilifeform	that was the original subject, yes	[00:44]
asciilifeform	and yes, it was actually intended to be an os running on off-the-shelf x86-64 hardware.	[00:44]
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mircea_popescu	never assume!	[00:45]
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BingoBoingo	Breaking Opterons do do things they were never intended for	[00:45]
undata	asciilifeform: are you familiar with r9k?	[00:45]
undata	I've seen that used elsewhere to improve chat-quality	[00:46]
asciilifeform	?	[00:46]
undata	your post makes me think about paying for "infractions" rather than per message	[00:46]
undata	asciilifeform: it's an IRC bot which punishes users for saying sentences that have been said before with exponentially increasing ban duration	[00:46]
undata	you could pay to be un-banned with ever increasing cost	[00:47]
asciilifeform	undata: not the point	[00:47]
undata	asciilifeform: then what is?	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: it's an IRC bot which punishes users for saying sentences that have been said before with exponentially increasing ban duration << if only this worked.	[00:47]
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mircea_popescu	assbot: Trolls To Get Up To Two Years In Prison Under New Laws, Chris Grayling Announces <<< aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	it has about 0 chances of happening, but it'd be pretty cool if it did lmao	[00:52]
asciilifeform	!s promise protocol	[00:54]
assbot	3 results for 'promise protocol' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=promise+protocol	[00:54]
asciilifeform	undata: point of gedankenexperiment was to propose a telegraph which is exactly as strong as bitcoin in every technical aspect.	[00:54]
bounce	from the country that brought us fearsome defamation laws, two kinds of online porn blocking, jail penalties on refusing to hand over your passwords, and, oh hey, anti-social behaviour orders... sure it'll happen, and it'll get used too.	[00:55]
asciilifeform	that is, will operate precisely as intended while the latter does.	[00:55]
asciilifeform	undata: the idea, as described on my site, is deadly-simple - no need for server, you 'speak' by sending btc to an address. others 'hear' by seeing what was sent. if the channel owner (owner of privkey to address) decides that you are persona non grata, you never see your coin again. otherwise, it is sent back after a while.	[00:56]
undata	asciilifeform: ah yes, I was merely focusing on the social behavior	[00:57]
undata	I get it	[00:57]
asciilifeform	i am entirely uninterested in any system, however superficially similar, which isn't built on top of actual bitcoin blockchain.	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00073651 = 15.5772 BTC [-] {2}	[00:57]
undata	asciilifeform: then you have a positive opinion of using the blockchain for information storage?	[00:58]
asciilifeform	the idea was specifically to show that existing btc protocol is isomorphic to a 'proper chat'	[00:58]
undata	I've heard people gripe about doing that	[00:58]
asciilifeform	bitcoin should be used for whatever is physically possible.	[00:58]
asciilifeform	if it breaks, it was broken from birth	[00:58]
asciilifeform	as in all software.	[00:58]
undata	cool, I agree. I've thought it would be a great place to put magnet links, for example	[00:59]
asciilifeform	obligatory: http://niquette.com/paul/issue/softwr02.htm	[00:59]
undata	very likely already done	[00:59]
assbot	Software Does Not Fail	[00:59]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that's a point. people that hit themselves in the head with a hammer don't write on the accdent report	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	"hammer failure"	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	wait, so PinkPosixPXE is a GIRL ?!?!?!	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	we allow she-asseteers now ?!	[01:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13102 @ 0.00073648 = 9.6494 BTC [-]	[01:03]
undata	hey, I thought I was named honorary girl yesterday	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	undata gayness doesn't last.	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	it's the original one night stand.	[01:04]
undata	so you're saying there's no future for me with Elon, eh?	[01:05]
undata	tragedy	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	you'll always have mars.	[01:05]
Adlai	bruno?	[01:06]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform "People like to call books and films and videos "software." They are not sophisticated." << care to explain ?	[01:12]
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ben_vulpes	wait, so PinkPosixPXE is a GIRL ?!?!?! << this was not obvious?	[01:13]
kakobrekla	no	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes no. and wtf is "pink posix pixie" supposed to mean ? that she's not pink in the middle like normal women, but on the forehead ?	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	please share your obvious with the group, it's in short supply.	[01:14]
ben_vulpes	http://www.last.fm/user/PinkPosixPXE	[01:15]
assbot	PinkPosixPXEs Music Profile Users at Last.fm	[01:15]
ben_vulpes	could be dog	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	lmao. it's not the girl, it's the dog!	[01:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45359 @ 0.00073712 = 33.435 BTC [+] {4}	[01:26]
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mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes: i guess at a high level stupid solution to stupid problems. << i guess.	[01:29]
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mircea_popescu	mats_cd03: mitigation involves layering. SELinux, one docker per vm, <<< trhen why even bother ? am i dense ?	[01:31]
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mircea_popescu	!up Escu	[01:33]
-assbot-	You voiced Escu for 30 minutes.	[01:33]
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Escu	the text	[01:33]
Escu	now	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	lmao bitch.	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	567f290e	[01:33]
Escu	bite me	[01:33]
Escu	so I suppose to write that on my tits?	[01:33]
Escu	ON MY TITS"?	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[01:34]
Escu	I dont like that combination	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	disobedient sluts get devoiced.	[01:34]
kakobrekla	would it be better if it started with 'e' and continued with '567f290' ?	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: only because no one yet has the audacity to list usg payola as 'profit' << ahaha this'll be fun	[01:35]
Escu	forgive me my wanna be master, can you give me other combination?	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla why ?	[01:35]
Escu	because that text will look uhly	[01:36]
kakobrekla	different combination no?	[01:36]
Escu	ugly	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	lol.	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	Escu beauty is a burgeois lie anyway.	[01:36]
Escu	the combination, please my \|Master.	[01:37]
Escu	I dont like that	[01:37]
Escu	i like e	[01:37]
Escu	v	[01:37]
Escu	w	[01:37]
Escu	y	[01:37]
Escu	3	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	!down Escu	[01:37]
Escu	8	[01:37]
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mircea_popescu	internets...	[01:37]
ThickAsThieves	internets internets everywhere and not a drop to drink	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	bounce: rather transparent ploy at that, but succeeding << not succeeding in any sense	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	one of the numerous categorical things bitcoin is doing is making such ploys impossible. pre bitcoin, they could have tried to squeeze the market.	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	now, they'd just make us richer.	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	bounce: engineers do, make, fix, etc. thinking starts maybe once the tech is widely deployed and cannot be put back in the box. <<< yeah, it's not the job of the engineer to think.	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	*: bounce thinks the amount of "security" around POTUS is both its own show and another sign that el presidente is not in fact in control of the government faculties <<< doh.	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	bounce: all good and well to want to avoid societal collapse, but to pretend biology would willingly accomodate you there is maybe a bit much. the judge's answer thus is a good measure of the quality of the judicial branch << you have to understand that pious fraud was a lot more fashionable in 1914 than it is today	[01:45]
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mircea_popescu	part of the reason is post structuralism and deconstructivism. the other part is the internet.	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	in any case, most of the stuff justice relies on to function is actually broken and couldn't stand scrutiny. ironically, the older it is, the more apt it is regarded by the amply conservative mechanism of justice ; yet the more likely to be flawed irretrievavbly	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	as anything made by men who are not cool enough to live with cocksucking sluts is suspect.	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	and so... fingerprints ? lol. but they're being replaced with "dna proof". which IS more selective,	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	but it is much less probative, because so easy to contaminate.	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	all that's needed to put someone at a crime scene today is an old hairbrush, or a worn shirt, or anything.	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: the 'method' idea is possibly lifted from the jewish tradition (where you are not, in fact, asked to believe in god, but to simply carry out the program, as i understand.) << errything's lifted from judaism.	[01:49]
PinkPosixPXE	My dog only gets to IRC on days of the month that are prime.	[01:55]
xanthyos	the jews seem to be more interested in tradition and ritual than ethics	[01:56]
xanthyos	the chabads anyway	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	what's ethics anyway.	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	PinkPosixPXE so is that you in the pic, actually ?	[01:57]
xanthyos	the "law" of torah	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	unclear wtf it means tho.	[01:57]
PinkPosixPXE	No, it's a girl I captured in a parking lot, and stuffed in my basement...	[01:58]
xanthyos	i think jesus was unclear as well, and that's why he signed a new contract with verizon	[01:59]
xanthyos	i mean god	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	PinkPosixPXE for elon ?	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	https://blockchain.info/address/16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3 << holy shit, i made like a bitcoin selling trilema this month.	[02:00]
assbot	Bitcoin Address 16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	im fucking rich	[02:00]
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ThickAsThieves	i need to re-up soon i think	[02:09]
ThickAsThieves	omg Blair's Death Rain Habanero Pepper Chips -- totally unnecessary	[02:10]
kakobrekla	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=utC6fyVC	[02:13]
kakobrekla	hehe	[02:13]
kakobrekla	(found it on google, i swear)	[02:14]
kakobrekla	also, the lucky winner is mp. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2014#881402	[02:18]
assbot	Logged on 18-10-2014 00:09:52; kakobrekla: maybe this one http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2014#884000	[02:18]
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mircea_popescu	lol!	[02:24]
ThickAsThieves	rigged	[02:24]
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ThickAsThieves	http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-v49lnd_73_Y/VDHAes4mE-I/AAAAAAAAY2Q/LHk8IEy65Sw/s1600/10717441_1484100085207702_1335939171_n.jpg	[02:26]
xanthyos	is that from the desk piece halfway through an episode of bill maher?	[02:30]
xanthyos	i gotta tell you i've always been a liberal but the way the left is handling this ebola thing as a race issue makes me fucking crazy	[02:31]
xanthyos	let africa die	[02:31]
mats_cd03	das racist!	[02:32]
undata	"Who would Jesus shoot?" << yes.	[02:33]
xanthyos	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Swvf3w6hcY4	[02:34]
assbot	Let Them DIE!!! - YouTube	[02:34]
undata	an actual outbreak of ebola in the US would be good for this country, though completely unlikely.	[02:36]
undata	I'd love to see our system try to grapple with an actual problem.	[02:36]
xanthyos	i'd love to see the demand for food and fuel plummet	[02:36]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00073831 = 14.7662 BTC [+] {2}	[02:38]
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undata	honestly though, people would just assume it was a sign of the end times and double down on irrationality	[02:38]
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fivezerotwo	;;isup qntra.net	[02:39]
gribble	qntra.net is up	[02:39]
mats_cd03	18:29:29 <+mircea_popescu> mats_cd03: mitigation involves layering. SELinux, one docker per vm, <<< trhen why even bother ? am i dense ?	[02:40]
mats_cd03	no genuine 0days have been publicised	[02:40]
mats_cd03	and if you have a competent sysadmin it does actually make the developers job easier	[02:41]
fivezerotwo	;;isup qntra.net	[02:41]
gribble	qntra.net is down	[02:41]
fivezerotwo	DDoS round 2 is coming ^.^	[02:42]
mats_cd03	you sure you should be spending your hard earned fry cook dollars on ddos?	[02:42]
mats_cd03	here, have some attention in exchange	[02:43]
undata	mats_cd03: I believe it was a question of why both docker and vm?	[02:43]
undata	or if not, I'm asking.	[02:43]
mats_cd03	separate kernel instances	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	no, that was the question.	[02:43]
undata	mircea_popescu: you get that with host/vm, why docker?	[02:45]
undata	* mats_cd03 ^	[02:45]
undata	I like docker for managing system state; I'm asking what the security value add is above just using the VM directly.	[02:45]
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mircea_popescu	even better for "managing system state" would be making the system simpler.	[02:46]
mats_cd03	the VM is for protecting you from docker, nto the other way around	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	so basically it's crud.	[02:46]
mats_cd03	its not known to not be crud.	[02:46]
mats_cd03	hasn't existed for long enough.	[02:47]
undata	mircea_popescu: docker does run the risk of merely snapshotting the wad of mess and saying "ok, this wad worked, kind of" rather than actually understanding system state	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	no, i odn't mean its actual composition. i mean its design.	[02:47]
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mircea_popescu	it comes from the cloacal opening of an intestine.	[02:47]
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mircea_popescu	undata how would a script "understand the system state" once you actually need it to do so ? (ie, you no longer do)	[02:47]
fivezerotwo	irccloud looks like this: sid23029@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lexoqakyeznnmfjo	[02:47]
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fivezerotwo	wrong chan sorry	[02:48]
xanthyos	where's the exit door from the chapel perilous?	[02:48]
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ben_vulpes	undata: i see no security value add.	[02:49]
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undata	mircea_popescu: You can make changes to a docker by hand, then make an image from that. It's better to stick to your Dockerfile, but you don't have to.	[02:50]
ben_vulpes	i see only abstractions that help manage one set of complexities while making more complexities.	[02:50]
ben_vulpes	undata:	[02:50]
mats_cd03	http://www.acsac.org/2010/openconf/modules/request.php?module=oc_program&action=view.php&a&id=69&type=2 << the honeymoon effect and the role of legacy code in 0day vulns	[02:50]
mats_cd03	more PDFs, sorry mp.	[02:50]
undata	ben_vulpes: system config should be built into the OS, and each act of changing it should leave a snail trail	[02:50]
ben_vulpes	immutable os when	[02:50]
undata	all these config management systems are trying to fix the bustedness of linux	[02:50]
ben_vulpes	or	[02:51]
ben_vulpes	write-tracking os when	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	fivezerotwo load average: 0.57, 0.31, 0.31 /me shrugs.	[02:51]
mats_cd03	immutability is one of the design mitigations in docker	[02:51]
mats_cd03	forces devs to do some programming gymnastics with /noexec	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes put it on a read-only flash, immutable enough.	[02:52]
mats_cd03	19:45:29 <+fivezerotwo> irccloud looks like this: sid23029@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lexoqakyeznnmfjo << kek	[02:53]
undata	ben_vulpes: WAL log, postgres-as-OS :p	[02:53]
mats_cd03	;;ident	[02:53]
gribble	CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'mats_cd03', with hostmask 'mats_cd03!sid23029@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lexoqakyeznnmfjo', is identified as user 'mats', with GPG key id B9527964891A5566, key fingerprint B37F49DC35FD838B1F8783CC59C93F63549036BD, and bitcoin address None	[02:53]
fivezerotwo	mircea_popescu, relax, this will come in waves ;_;	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	yeah, that's usually how they come when i'm involved.	[02:54]
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mats_cd03	fivezerotwo: planning on targeting me? you've got my attention now	[02:58]
kakobrekla	hm actually	[02:58]
kakobrekla	can you throw all you got at logs and keep it at full as long as you can?	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	lmao HEY!	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	stop hitting on my ddosfriend!	[02:59]
kakobrekla	i really wonder if host will start to bitch at some point	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	absentee host ?	[03:00]
kakobrekla	mhm	[03:00]
fivezerotwo	mats_cd03, later ;; kakobrekla digitalocean does at some point, but they are one of the more resilient hosts	[03:00]
kakobrekla	so you are saying a no?	[03:00]
kakobrekla	cause your botnet is too pussy?	[03:01]
mats_cd03	k pm me when you dox	[03:01]
cazalla	http://qntra.net/2014/10/coinfloor-to-raise-capital-meanwhile-nefario-has-left/	[03:01]
kakobrekla	lol nefario still alive	[03:01]
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kakobrekla	ah thats old stuf	[03:04]
kakobrekla	f	[03:04]
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Namworld	"Nefario" was STILL around?	[03:05]
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cazalla	don't remember hearing anything or anyone mentioning he left/was pushed from coinfloor	[03:06]
ben_vulpes	am i reading this (https://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/miniupnpc) correctly? debian backports only has miniupnpc-1.5?	[03:06]
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Namworld	I wasn't aware he was staying in the space when he axed GLBSE.	[03:07]
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ben_vulpes	it would be expedient to download miniupnpc 1.6 from http://miniupnp.free.fr/files/ but what do to prevent mitm of that source?	[03:09]
assbot	MiniUPnP download zone	[03:09]
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mats_cd03	fivezerotwo: youre gonna have to burn a 0day, if you even have access to those, mate	[03:11]
fivezerotwo	mats_cd03, totes will burn a 0day on this	[03:12]
mats_cd03	youre a cool dude for messing with people that lead public lives on the internets	[03:12]
mats_cd03	fo reals	[03:12]
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fivezerotwo	so qntra has nice servers and nice inbound pipes	[03:18]
fivezerotwo	don't worry, there are plenty of less protected targets ;_;	[03:18]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: As requested http://qntra.net/2014/10/daniel-j-bernstein-speeks-on-keeping-crypto-insecure/	[03:20]
assbot	Daniel J Bernstein Speaks on Keeping Crypto Insecure \| Qntra.net	[03:20]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker	[03:24]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 387.79, Best ask: 388.65, Bid-ask spread: 0.86000, Last trade: 387.85, 24 hour volume: 3180.14467158, 24 hour low: 385.0, 24 hour high: 394.25, 24 hour vwap: 389.421666807	[03:24]
kakobrekla	space missing in the last paragraph before 'Set'	[03:28]
BingoBoingo	ty	[03:28]
BingoBoingo	fxd	[03:30]
kakobrekla	missed a not, or not?	[03:34]
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ben_vulpes	jurov: i'm just trying to build 0.6.3 the way it seems to want building	[03:36]
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mircea_popescu	danke bb	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	"Nefario" was STILL around? << yes, the "foundation" scammer group is looking after its own	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	from marquardt and mccarthy to kenna etc.	[03:43]
BingoBoingo	!up jborkl	[03:44]
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jborkl	Thank you	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	so qntra has nice servers and nice inbound pipes mats_cd03, totes will burn a 0day on this << i suppose this is the ultimate endorsement or something ?	[03:44]
jborkl	So, there are two companies going btc belly up I have never even heard of	[03:45]
BingoBoingo	Seems to be	[03:45]
jborkl	Bittrader and moolah?	[03:45]
BingoBoingo	jborkl: Which ones?	[03:45]
BingoBoingo	Moolah's in Doge	[03:45]
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jborkl	One bankrupted the other , ala week and bitfunder	[03:46]
BingoBoingo	Oh	[03:46]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: in light of what i previously explained about botnets, it is difficult to calculate the actual value of a particular 0day.	[03:46]
jborkl	Ohh, no wonder	[03:46]
asciilifeform	rather like trying to come up with value for stolen painting.	[03:46]
asciilifeform	is it - what owner paid? what the 'fence' will get, on the blackmarket? what the fence will pay you?	[03:47]
jborkl	I guess moolah had a codind error that allowed you withdraw double what you deposited	[03:47]
jborkl	Coding	[03:48]
asciilifeform	very few people are equipped to safely monetize an 0day in person.	[03:48]
mats_cd03	b-but, he's willing to sign an address with 1000btc in it	[03:48]
asciilifeform	he could've earned it with honest work!	[03:48]
asciilifeform	whatascam	[03:48]
mats_cd03	ill be impressed if he can compromise irccloud and dox me	[03:49]
asciilifeform	what counts as 'dox' ?	[03:49]
assbot	ninjashogun +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -4	[03:49]
mats_cd03	my slave name would be a start, but i suppose thats a fuzzy thing.	[03:49]
BingoBoingo	dick pics	[03:49]
mats_cd03	!up ninjashogun 20:47:42 I have an important convo to pastebin with fivezerotwo	[03:50]
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ninjashogun	thx	[03:50]
ninjashogun	http://pastebin.com/BjRNZBk1	[03:50]
assbot	hello hi are you looking for investm - Pastebin.com	[03:50]
ninjashogun	see bottom 3 lines	[03:50]
ninjashogun	I just notice htat he's also being discussed in channel here now. (Someone pointed this out to me.) At first I assumed MP to have paid for this out of some weird strategy (since I came to MP with a small project recently, maybe he wanted to know if I still needed small amounts of money, etc.) But I thought you guys should see it.	[03:51]
jurov	so i came to the systemd stuff in the lawgs .. and	[03:51]
jurov	;;isup lists.debian.org	[03:51]
gribble	lists.debian.org is down	[03:51]
jurov	^^^	[03:51]
mats_cd03	i appreciate the contribution to drama ninjashogun	[03:51]
mats_cd03	lol dude operates a mixer.	[03:52]
ninjashogun	I was just referring to the bottom lines. im just trolling you dude we're being paid to troll you (and then he disconnected)	[03:52]
ninjashogun	Anyway it's not how anyone does business. Please don't do this.	[03:53]
BingoBoingo	Well he's DOS'ing stuff from in here so he's probably getting paid by someone from elsewhere	[03:54]
ninjashogun	nobody would pay anyone to troll me from anywhere except here :)	[03:54]
ninjashogun	anyway this is what I wrote MP on the subject - http://pastebin.com/VHQ4XyzA (via PM just now)	[03:54]
assbot	If you have anyhting to do with this (see bottom of conversatoin) - Pastebin.com	[03:54]
ninjashogun	Do you guys know what his other WoT rating was that he referred to?	[03:55]
ninjashogun	I mean other WoT nick?	[03:55]
mats_cd03	man, if hes being paid to troll, 10USD is not nearly enough for a ddos	[03:55]
ninjashogun	(for the record, I just have this one.)	[03:55]
jurov	no, it's nobody from here. as i wrote just above, indices lead to lennart poettering	[03:55]
undata	"and a ninja like me." haaa	[03:55]
asciilifeform	jurov: !?	[03:55]
jurov	it's revenge for us bashing the systemd	[03:55]
ninjashogun	oh I forgot I wrote that lol but yeah.	[03:55]
jurov	;;isup lists.debian.org	[03:56]
ninjashogun	anyway carry on guys.	[03:56]
gribble	lists.debian.org is down	[03:56]
ninjashogun	!down ninjashogun	[03:56]
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kakobrekla	well	[03:56]
kakobrekla	that was painful.	[03:57]
jurov	asciilifeform today's log says debian's supposedly voting to allow compatibility outside systemd	[03:57]
jurov	hence, ddos	[03:57]
asciilifeform	aha	[03:57]
asciilifeform	systemd cancer is pretty advanced though	[03:57]
BingoBoingo	%d	[03:57]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 1496584.23 in 1911 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 218.73	[03:57]
asciilifeform	not enough to simply vote at debian, its tendrils will have to be painfully and surgically excised from 1000 places.	[03:58]
jurov	i'm sure they will include some ddos functionality into systemd bery soon	[03:58]
jurov	*very	[03:58]
kakobrekla	that? i remain skeptic.	[04:00]
BingoBoingo	%p	[04:03]
atcbot	>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 15700.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 47.27 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.75 TH/s	[04:03]
BingoBoingo	O hai diff drop	[04:03]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19963 @ 0.00073769 = 14.7265 BTC [-] {2}	[04:05]
mod6	woah	[04:06]
mod6	%d	[04:06]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 1606600.93 in 1900 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 242.16	[04:06]
mod6	pff	[04:06]
asciilifeform	from loltron: http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2014/10/dallas-hospital-had-ebola-screening-machine-military-using-africa/96713	[04:09]
assbot	Dallas Hospital Had the Ebola Screening Machine That the Military Is Using in Africa - Defense One	[04:09]
mike_c	%p	[04:10]
atcbot	>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 8174.75 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 52.91 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.69 TH/s	[04:10]
mike_c	60+ th/s?	[04:10]
undata	asciilifeform: "but government guidelines prevent hospitals from using it to actually screen for Ebola." whaaaaa	[04:10]
Apocalyptic	yeah... the guy is back again	[04:11]
asciilifeform	!s aids test	[04:11]
assbot	2 results for 'aids test' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=aids+test	[04:11]
asciilifeform	same deal	[04:11]
asciilifeform	search fail	[04:11]
asciilifeform	same deal re: pocket-sized instant aids tester that fda also banned.	[04:11]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2014#588670	[04:12]
assbot	Logged on 28-03-2014 16:21:08; asciilifeform: when the usg banned the instant 'hiv' tester device, the argument, if i recall, was that people would kill themselves on learning the result, if no surrounded by government-approved shrinks	[04:12]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2014#588705	[04:13]
assbot	Logged on 28-03-2014 16:25:38; asciilifeform: (SRAM with immunoreactant crap permanently bonded to the capacitors)	[04:13]
asciilifeform	see remainder of thread.	[04:13]
undata	"The FDA may not authorize the use of a diagnostic test before reviewing data about its performance in detecting Ebola virus in human specimens and determining that the standard for authorization is met."	[04:13]
undata	wouldn't... using the thing collect the data relevant to judging its performance?	[04:13]
asciilifeform	usg wants you in one of '3 d-s' - despondent, dependent, or dead.	[04:14]
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undata	asciilifeform: "On October 10th, the FDA has granted emergency use authorization to three screening system called Ebola Zaire Target1, which was also developed with help from the Defense Department" << BioFire just isn't in the in-group, I'd wager	[04:17]
asciilifeform	evidently.	[04:17]
asciilifeform	this is, to an extent, a rerun of the anthrax thing.	[04:18]
kakobrekla	yeah... the guy is back again < so next is price dropping	[04:19]
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BingoBoingo	!up technoboy	[04:23]
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technoboy	whats up people how u chillen?	[04:24]
technoboy	!s bible	[04:25]
assbot	105 results for 'bible' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bible	[04:25]
asciilifeform	!down technoboy	[04:25]
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asciilifeform	ferglubssake.	[04:25]
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mircea_popescu	my slave name would be a start, but i suppose thats a fuzzy thing. << silly thing to put a price on. sort-of like making teens think losing their virginity is a big fucking deal.	[04:27]
mircea_popescu	it isn't, and they get caught all up in that process as if it were something.	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	hello hi are you looking for investm <<< ahahahaha wut.	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	hence, ddos << well, correlation, anyway.	[04:29]
mats_cd03	i suppose better dox would be ssn, physical addr, phone number, banking info, and data on people in my RL WoT	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	thps ?!?!	[04:30]
BingoBoingo	%p	[04:30]
atcbot	>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 8253.67 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 60.91 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.70 TH/s	[04:30]
mats_cd03	could try ruining my credit but i don't care about that	[04:31]
BingoBoingo	What it looks like	[04:31]
BingoBoingo	%v	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	undata> wouldn't... using the thing collect the data relevant to judging its performance? << YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE WORLD WORKS PUTIN!	[04:31]
atcbot	[X-BT VWAP] Bid: 190 Ask: 255 Last Price: 225 30d-Vol: 152k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 180 30d-VWAP: 193	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	!up technoboy	[04:32]
-assbot-	You voiced technoboy for 30 minutes.	[04:32]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20613 @ 0.00073935 = 15.2402 BTC [+]	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	o oops my bad	[04:32]
technoboy	yay i am voiced again ^_^	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	technoboy accidentally. don't be stupid again	[04:32]
mats_cd03	id be rly impressed if he could manage dox seeing as how i pay up my bouncer with a prepaid card	[04:33]
kakobrekla	do you even know who you are?	[04:33]
asciilifeform	!b 2	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	not even his wife knows who he is!!!	[04:33]
assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/18N41WH.txt )	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	that's why she's stuck fucking all comers	[04:33]
mats_cd03	:(	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	mats_cd03 not you. someone else.	[04:34]
mats_cd03	i do my best not to think about the dongs that have been in my wife	[04:35]
mircea_popescu	Almost all AES implementations use fast lookup tables. <<< o, what ever could be the problem with lookup tables wink wink	[04:37]
asciilifeform	gotta keep the s-boxes around, or regenerate on demand. tertium non datur	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you recall this was discussed in here.	[04:39]
asciilifeform	aye	[04:39]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2014#821772	[04:39]
assbot	Logged on 07-09-2014 18:02:43; mircea_popescu: in practice it's used as an aes hole. but yes.	[04:39]
mircea_popescu	aslo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2014#833873	[04:41]
assbot	Logged on 18-09-2014 17:18:46; mike_c: um, what about what everybody else does. lookup table.	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	it even got bashed!	[04:41]
BingoBoingo	%tslb	[04:42]
atcbot	Time Since Last ATC Block (#46539): 0 hour(s), 0 minutes	[04:42]
BingoBoingo	%d	[04:42]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 2110783.64 in 1844 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 349.54	[04:42]
*	asciilifeform not entirely surprised to discover poetteringisms in: 'mplayer', 'firefox', a number of other packages	[04:42]
asciilifeform	advanced metastasis.	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo cute.	[04:42]
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mircea_popescu	!up josevelez	[04:45]
-assbot-	You voiced josevelez for 30 minutes.	[04:45]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00073887 = 15.036 BTC [-] {3}	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	What if the terrorists hear about fast secure crypto? Yikes! Similar to constant-time story. Don’t standardize good crypto. Discourage use of good crypto. If the good crypto persists, try to bury it behind a huge menu of bad options. Advertise “cryptographic agility”; actually cryptographic fragility. Pretend that this “agility” justifies using breakable crypto.	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	here's the scoop : if the usg does not standardize good crypto, mp WILL. and the result wil be that mp's standards will drive the nist out of the market.	[04:49]
asciilifeform	i still can't fathom why they're not having their muppets push the 'all this derp is because they really broke rsa in the '90s' angle.	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	no amount of thumbing nose and general pretense is going to help. mpxxx will drive usgxxx anything out of the market. period and full stop.	[04:49]
asciilifeform	i would utterly do this in their place.	[04:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75504 @ 0.00073554 = 55.5362 BTC [-] {4}	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	there are NO degrees of liberty left for the evil government, in any field.	[04:49]
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mircea_popescu	%v	[04:52]
atcbot	[X-BT VWAP] Bid: 1 Ask: 255 Last Price: 1 30d-Vol: 2.31M 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 1 30d-VWAP: 64	[04:52]
asciilifeform	https://github.com/fix-macosx/yosemite-phone-home (thanks to diametric)	[04:57]
assbot	fix-macosx/yosemite-phone-home GitHub	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	%p	[04:57]
atcbot	>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10658.51 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 63.91 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.68 TH/s	[04:57]
asciilifeform	^ for anyone who is stuck with that os	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[04:57]
asciilifeform	doesn't actually fix anything, contrary to the implication in the url.	[04:58]
asciilifeform	'dismal science.'	[04:58]
undata	asciilifeform: that only fixes the one that's a "feature" if I recall	[04:58]
asciilifeform	just removes some of the anal anaesthetic applied by apple during first penetration	[04:58]
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diametric	assbot: i think the fix-macos part of the url is more of a plea	[04:59]
diametric	dammit tab.	[04:59]
diametric	asciilifeform: ^	[04:59]
asciilifeform	diametric: whole mess of rumination re: 'docker' earlier today.	[04:59]
asciilifeform	diametric: couldn't help but think of you	[04:59]
diametric	asciilifeform: hm?	[04:59]
asciilifeform	log works again, see there.	[04:59]
mike_c	%m	[04:59]
atcbot	[ATC Mined] Current: 23835136 Total ATC (to be mined): 268435456 % Mined of Total: 8.88	[04:59]
asciilifeform	!s docker	[04:59]
assbot	57 results for 'docker' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=docker	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	%v	[05:00]
atcbot	[X-BT VWAP] Bid: 1 Ask: 254 Last Price: 1 30d-Vol: 2.31M 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 1 30d-VWAP: 64	[05:00]
mike_c	24m atc in existence. took 2m to take price to 1	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	mike_c it's dead tho.	[05:00]
mike_c	atc? shit, guess i gotta read logs faster.	[05:00]
kakobrekla	wait what?	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ << twas on trilema months ago neh ?	[05:01]
assbot	The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as “cryptocurrencies” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[05:01]
diametric	asciilifeform: is there an incident that started the discussion? all i see here is a lot of "using docker insecurely is insecure."	[05:02]
asciilifeform	not sure, and can't really comment	[05:02]
*	asciilifeform is innocent of docker	[05:03]
diametric	running processes as root requires root. news at 11.	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	diametric maybe it was my question, originally. ie, why would you add more to the list.	[05:03]
kakobrekla	so i was right? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-10-2014#884271	[05:03]
assbot	Logged on 20-10-2014 01:16:57; kakobrekla: yeah... the guy is back again < so next is price dropping	[05:03]
diametric	mircea_popescu: to which list are you referring?	[05:03]
asciilifeform	if i recall there was some vague rumour of an escape for it.	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	diametric> running processes as root requires root. news at 11. <<	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla yah	[05:04]
kakobrekla	im amazing	[05:04]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[05:04]
mike_c	somehow i misunderstood based on bingo's continued involvement and the renting of the hashpower.	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	mike_c check this out :	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	%p	[05:05]
atcbot	>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10149.75 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 61.45 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.63 TH/s	[05:05]
mike_c	yes, i saw	[05:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00073526 = 17.7198 BTC [-]	[05:05]
diametric	asciilifeform: docker's purpose isn't security per se. an escape can be irrelevant. if anything its a nice system for compartmentalizing your system and preventing the pollution of your filesystem with random libraries needed by a single application.	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	seems kinda clear. who's going to spend a coupla btc to get it back out of the hole ?	[05:05]
asciilifeform	diametric: aha i recall, a la bsd jail, yes.	[05:06]
diametric	asciilifeform: now if you're relying on docker to be a jail for the purposes of security, than that alone isn't ideal.	[05:06]
mike_c	ok. so i guess that was mpif's 2m atc getting out	[05:06]
asciilifeform	so more of a parrot cage than a jail for man.	[05:06]
diametric	its like a jail + management system on top of it	[05:06]
diametric	what you end up with is an image you can use on any linux running docker, be it ubuntu, gentoo, arch or lfs.	[05:06]
kakobrekla	ok. so i guess that was mpif's 2m atc getting out < my thought was its the 60th guy	[05:07]
kakobrekla	but nfi	[05:07]
diametric	i'd still be highly interested in learning about potential escapes though	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 0.0163 * 61.45 / 24	[05:07]
gribble	0.0417347916667	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	4 bitcents an hour, could be worse.	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	%v	[05:08]
atcbot	[X-BT VWAP] Bid: 1 Ask: 49 Last Price: 1 30d-Vol: 2.31M 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 1 30d-VWAP: 64	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	har.	[05:08]
jurov	so.. does this docker thing work with grsec and makes easier chroots with readonly-bind-mounted stuff?	[05:09]
kakobrekla	anywho, atc ended ... as expected.	[05:09]
BingoBoingo	%d	[05:10]
diametric	docker is just using lxc	[05:10]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 2233457.32 in 1819 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 375.66	[05:10]
diametric	what makes it docker is the whole management infrastructure around it	[05:10]
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mod6	%ob	[05:13]
atcbot	99k@255 100k@254 576k@49 \| 1M@4 800k@3 2M@2	[05:13]
jurov	after some googling, no it isn't working smoothly with grsec. as expected from #devops	[05:13]
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jurov	"it" being lxc	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	%ob	[05:17]
atcbot	99k@255 100k@254 576k@49 \| 1M@5 1M@4 800k@3	[05:17]
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BingoBoingo	%p	[05:19]
atcbot	>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 8600.13 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 49.11 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.68 TH/s	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	the ispace assholes was the thing that "didn't work" and nobody was answering, back when we were looking for a pool, was it ?	[05:20]
BingoBoingo	Pity the Pool's was	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	how come wqe didn't end up using it ?	[05:20]
BingoBoingo	Ispace came in at that time, but it wasn't reporting crap when i pointed hash at it.	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	anyway, a bunch of smartass miners are going to hurt once their coinbases finally mature.	[05:21]
BingoBoingo	And they were also non-responsive	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	which is what, an hour ? i dun recall	[05:21]
BingoBoingo	100 blocks, maybe 120 blocks	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	"o, we're too special to mine helpfuly, we gotta be smarter than the britches allow"	[05:21]
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BingoBoingo	Ah it is 120 blocks	[05:22]
BingoBoingo	%d	[05:23]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 2300244.77 in 1806 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 389.89	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	who had all the nice atc graphs ?	[05:23]
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BingoBoingo	http://atc.blockr.io/ or http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/altcoin/	[05:24]
assbot	Altcoin (ATC) price, charts, and info \| Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations	[05:24]
mod6	there are some here (not sure if this is what you're referring to): http://atc.blockr.io/charts	[05:24]
BingoBoingo	%ob	[05:25]
atcbot	99k@255 100k@254 544k@49 \| 50k@10 1M@5 1M@4	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	ty	[05:26]
BingoBoingo	%t	[05:26]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 10 Ask: 49 Last Price: 49 24h-Vol: 2191k High: 190 Low: 1 VWAP: 55	[05:26]
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BingoBoingo	%p	[05:31]
atcbot	>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 9946.92 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 34.78 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.76 TH/s	[05:31]
decimation	re: docker << my understanding is that it's pretty much a chroot jail combined with some cpu and ram and network limits	[05:31]
*	decimation doesn't use docker, probably never will	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo so there's at least three different parties attacking, seeing how it went from 60 to 50 then to 35	[05:33]
BingoBoingo	Yeah	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	i need fucking vincent vega over here.	[05:34]
*	assbot gives voice to TheNewDeal	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	fucktarded kids thinking they're going to get rich.	[05:34]
BingoBoingo	No, you need to get these mother fucking snakes off of the motherfucking plane	[05:34]
decimation	I assume folks are logging incoming ips?	[05:35]
BingoBoingo	%p	[05:35]
atcbot	>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10497.70 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 21.55 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.70 TH/s	[05:35]
BingoBoingo	%tslb	[05:35]
atcbot	Time Since Last ATC Block (#46592): 0 hour(s), 2 minutes	[05:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57400 @ 0.00073466 = 42.1695 BTC [-] {4}	[05:36]
BingoBoingo	%d	[05:39]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 2381419.13 in 1788 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 407.17	[05:39]
BingoBoingo	%p	[05:43]
atcbot	>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 10604.10 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 6.49 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.68 TH/s	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	lol	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	oops... not so smart anymore... hurr durrr	[05:43]
BingoBoingo	Oh a quack made the local paper http://www.bnd.com/2014/10/18/3462222/guest-view-could-ebola-patients.html?sp=/99/174/	[05:45]
assbot	Metro-east news from Belleville, IL \| Belleville News-Democrat	[05:45]
BingoBoingo	Obola's no problem because Vitamin C	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	seems legit.	[05:48]
undata	well, that's as long as you're taking your colloidal silver too	[05:48]
cazalla	"Now one of the fastest-growing cosmetic procedures in the UK is repairing stretched earlobes." hilarious http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/oct/19/cosmetic-surgeons-repair-stretched-earlobes	[05:52]
assbot	Big increase in surgery to mend flesh tunnel earlobes \| Life and style \| The Observer	[05:52]
undata	cazalla: that'll be big here in portland I'm sure	[05:54]
undata	what a hideous practice	[05:54]
undata	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lip_plate	[05:55]
assbot	Lip plate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[05:55]
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mircea_popescu	i wonder if they can use the extra material to give the woman a new hymen too	[05:59]
asciilifeform	SOP in jp, afaik	[06:01]
BingoBoingo	%p	[06:03]
atcbot	>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 8588.10 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 6.05 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.66 TH/s	[06:03]
BingoBoingo	%tslb	[06:04]
atcbot	Time Since Last ATC Block (#46607): 0 hour(s), 7 minutes	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	o look at that o.O	[06:04]
mircea_popescu	%d	[06:04]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 2388593.52 in 1777 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 408.70	[06:04]
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BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[06:07]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 383.88, vol: 3956.68759470 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 380.0, vol: 2991.669 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 384.1, vol: 6490.41636403 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 383.9183, vol: 69228.62850000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 395.79193, vol: 0.0 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 382.992766, vol: 11.70073681 \| Volume-weighted last average: 383.788819656	[06:07]
TheNewDeal	;;asks 400	[06:08]
BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[06:08]
gribble	Bitstamp \| There are currently 1775.4229 bitcoins offered at or under 400.0 USD, worth 699916.159661 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0268 seconds	[06:08]
gribble	Current Blocks: 326109 \| Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 \| Next Difficulty In: 482 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 11 hours, 13 minutes, and 22 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 35952585047.9 \| Estimated Percent Change: 2.71439	[06:08]
BingoBoingo	%p	[06:14]
atcbot	>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 4248.70 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 6.12 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.71 TH/s	[06:14]
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undata	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVrmwFtoFjM	[06:16]
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BingoBoingo	!up cb_bitcoin	[06:29]
BingoBoingo	%p	[06:29]
atcbot	>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 2569.42 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 6.31 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.38 TH/s	[06:29]
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mircea_popescu	%v	[06:47]
atcbot	[X-BT VWAP] Bid: 15 Ask: 245 Last Price: 49 30d-Vol: 2.89M 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 1 30d-VWAP: 61	[06:47]
BingoBoingo	!mpif	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	%d	[06:48]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 2226911.33 in 1766 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 374.27	[06:48]
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mircea_popescu	X-Rob btw, you can turn the rig off	[06:51]
asciilifeform	curtain call for atc ?	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	pretty much.	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	but i do wish gavin's fork a lot of luck, when that happens :)	[06:54]
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*	asciilifeform is not looking forward to usgcoin	[06:58]
asciilifeform	or let's call it gascoin.	[06:59]
xanthyos	military-industrial complex coin	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	well, on the data here available so far, it'd only cost about half a trillion to make.	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	fortunately, the us does not have that.	[07:00]
xanthyos	can't they fiat it?	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[07:01]
xanthyos	http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/mychannel957.com/files/2014/02/trillion.jpg	[07:01]
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xanthyos	it could be funded with a mandatory federal cryptocurrency insurance program that all the banks have to buy to ensure customers against unregulated money	[07:03]
BingoBoingo	Redditors in the world, https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/2jgfhw/tifu_by_using_a_toilet_wrong_my_entire_life/	[07:03]
BingoBoingo	^ Doesn't... know how to use a toilet	[07:04]
asciilifeform	scam.	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	xanthyos no, it couldn't.	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	comes to about a million a head, and banks don't have that many customers anyway.	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	real men use http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/ba-19-1.jpg	[07:08]
xanthyos	i'd love a combo toilet/shower	[07:09]
xanthyos	less plumbing/space, and surfaces to wipe	[07:10]
mircea_popescu	put it straight into the bed, you could be a vegetable and never know the difference.	[07:10]
xanthyos	and there exist chairs with holes in them for moments of weakness	[07:10]
xanthyos	you've made it seem ridiculous by pushing it to the extreme	[07:11]
asciilifeform	chairs << louis iii	[07:12]
asciilifeform	& his throne.	[07:12]
gribble	Error: "his" is not a valid command.	[07:12]
asciilifeform	lol	[07:12]
asciilifeform	bed << http://lparchive.org/Monkey-Island-2/Update%2015/17-mi_16_15.gif	[07:12]
asciilifeform	^ governor phatt from 'monkey island 2'	[07:13]
asciilifeform	note pipe on the right.	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	http://www.tru64.org/ <<< shit, check that out	[07:14]
mircea_popescu	qntra is mostly read by like aix and osfunix and shit	[07:14]
*	asciilifeform has several tru64 boxes	[07:14]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo's collection?	[07:15]
mircea_popescu	no idea	[07:15]
BingoBoingo	Maybe?	[07:16]
PinkPosixPXE	Is qntra.net run by BingoBoingo and cazalla (predominantly)? Or do they just manage the posting/writing/editing?	[07:18]
kakobrekla	assbot is down. funny thing is - its not ddos.	[07:19]
mircea_popescu	PinkPosixPXE cazalla is the editor in chief	[07:19]
BingoBoingo	qntra is mostly read by like aix and osfunix and shit << Maybe USG watch farm?	[07:19]
PinkPosixPXE	cool	[07:19]
asciilifeform	reddit toilet thread << butugychag.	[07:21]
PinkPosixPXE	Really, most the requests are coming from those user agents?	[07:21]
asciilifeform	seriously, what a waste of uranium miners.	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	PinkPosixPXE well no, not really, but they make the top 5.	[07:21]
*	PinkPosixPXE tightens her tinfoil hat	[07:22]
mircea_popescu	and linux dominates actually.	[07:23]
PinkPosixPXE	That seems reasonable...	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/qntra-os.png << there	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	and for all the people wanting to "improve the design" : the #1 user agent is up.browser.	[07:26]
PinkPosixPXE	lots of unknowns... user agent spoofing perhaps	[07:29]
mircea_popescu	there WAS a ddos recall ?	[07:29]
asciilifeform	afaik most bots don't have a readily recognizable os name in useragent string.	[07:30]
asciilifeform	even perfectly polite bots that aren't the least bit ddosy	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	this was about 80% wordpress os.	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	and yes, it is an os. very fucking buggy and slow, but hey. so is microsoft.	[07:30]
asciilifeform	http://cr.yp.to/hardware/ecc.html << good intro to subject incl. scammy hw makers.	[07:31]
asciilifeform	cursed be their names.	[07:31]
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mircea_popescu	"Abit" ?! who the fuck heard of them	[07:33]
asciilifeform	defunct '09.	[07:33]
asciilifeform	(or possibly '08)	[07:33]
asciilifeform	http://www.tomshardware.com/news/abit-motherboard-motherboards,6715.html	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	%ob	[07:37]
atcbot	30k@249 50k@248 44k@245 \| 500k@15 50k@10 1M@5	[07:37]
decimation	Here's an interesting read: http://embeddedgurus.com/barr-code/2013/10/an-update-on-toyota-and-unintended-acceleration/	[07:37]
BingoBoingo	%p	[07:38]
atcbot	>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 2336.46 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 5.91 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.71 TH/s	[07:38]
decimation	if you flip through the testimony of the guy who actually saw the source code, you would be terrified to learn that 1.) toyotas don't use ecc ram in their 'mission critical' engine control software 2.) it's buggy crapware	[07:38]
decimation	if you like betting your life on the von neumann c-machine, I recommend driving a modern car	[07:39]
asciilifeform	somewhere, there lives a man who was responsible for connecting brake and throttle to computer.	[07:40]
*	asciilifeform knows at least 3 people who ended up scrapping cars because of unpatchable software issue.	[07:40]
decimation	asciilifeform: because the enviro-cult must be appeased, partially	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	^	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	it all started with the otherwise good idea of reducing emissions	[07:41]
PinkPosixPXE	good read asciilifeform	[07:42]
asciilifeform	except that vehicles produced today (specifically NOT counting 'hybrids' or electrics of any type) are less efficient than those going to the scrapyard, on average.	[07:42]
PinkPosixPXE	I remember a time Broadcom made me lose my sanity for a good 4 months..	[07:42]
asciilifeform	a broadcom what?	[07:43]
PinkPosixPXE	Broadcom NIC BCM5709 chipset, network not mobo/ecc ram obviously, but stilla s frustrating	[07:43]
PinkPosixPXE	our boxes with them would flap in production due to an MSI-X interrupt bug in the driver	[07:44]
decimation	broadcom is the devil	[07:44]
decimation	I hate their nda-covered shitware	[07:45]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform how so ?	[07:47]
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mircea_popescu	!up xorax	[07:47]
asciilifeform	'Ford's Model T reportedly got up to 25 MPG—this New York City Model T owner claims he still gets 40 MPG around town in his vintage 1923 model—making it more efficient than the average car heading to the showroom floor today. '	[07:48]
asciilifeform	( Ford's Model T reportedly got up to 25 MPG—this New York City Model T owner claims he still gets 40 MPG around town in his vintage 1923 model—making it more efficient than the average car heading to the showroom floor today. -- arguable.)	[07:48]
asciilifeform	http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-most-efficient-fleet-of-cars-in-american-history-is-embarrassingly-dirty	[07:48]
decimation	"We received information, a spreadsheet, that summarized -- it is one of the documents that I'm most familiar with this -- which is a spreadsheet that showed which vehicles, like Camry, which model years, like 2005, had hardware memory protection and which ones didn't. There was a sort of EDAC, not as much as NASA was talking about or NASA would employ in space, but there was one in the 2008 Camry, but there was not in the 2005 Camry.	[07:48]
*	asciilifeform cleans keyboard	[07:48]
decimation	So later they put it in, but they didn't have it in the vehicle that NASA studied"	[07:48]
cazalla	PinkPosixPXE, it's monday afternoon here so you have until tonight to get your submission in for titty tuesday	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform dude that's pure idiocy. ford model t had what, 2hp ?	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	yes, you can get 25mpg in your lawn mower even today	[07:49]
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asciilifeform	joules burned per metres arse moves is not an unreasonable metric.	[07:50]
asciilifeform	yes, we have some 'comparison of the warm and the soft.' sure.	[07:50]
decimation	well, there's little doubt that the 'efficiency gains' that have been achieved with modern controls have been spent making us cars bigger and dumber	[07:51]
mircea_popescu	decimation i have my doubts.	[07:52]
decimation	http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/12.02/quiet_pr.html << "Outside, spark plugs are notorious radio-frequency emitters, so Green Bank maintains a fleet of diesel-powered, electronics-free '69 Checker cabs and '70s Dodge trucks. "	[07:52]
asciilifeform	i know a fellow who did his ph.d. there.	[07:53]
asciilifeform	had to learn to drive stick, just because of this.	[07:53]
mircea_popescu	let's put it this way : you used to be able to kill yourself by running the engine i nthe garage.	[07:53]
asciilifeform	ahahaha. nothing to do with efficiency. this is entirely from the Pt in the catalytic box. which actually impedes gas flow and -decreases- efficiency.	[07:54]
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decimation	I think they switched to palladium for the same purpose because it is cheaper	[07:54]
mircea_popescu	there are two mixed arguments here. one is re the computers, which indeed started from the eu driven effort to clean up vehicle emissions	[07:55]
mircea_popescu	the other's the efficiency, which is still a trend, even if not particularly related to that.	[07:55]
PinkPosixPXE	cazalla: oh yea? Titty Tuesday? Is there a wiki entry on entering a submission, and how points will be awarded?	[07:55]
mircea_popescu	engines today are more efficient, and significantly cleanner, than 25 years ago, and 50 and 100.	[07:55]
mircea_popescu	;;google i'll pay for your tits	[07:55]
gribble	I'll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Minecraft TerraFirmaCraft #16: I'll Kick Your Tits In!!! - YouTube:	[07:56]
mircea_popescu	PinkPosixPXE top of the stack.	[07:56]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: per joule of work - sure.	[07:56]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yeah.	[07:56]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: per arse mounted on engine - questionable.	[07:56]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, you didn't fiddle with the quantcast code for qntra by chance?	[07:56]
mircea_popescu	well you can't make something fool proof.	[07:56]
mircea_popescu	cazalla haven't touched any codes no.	[07:56]
decimation	I suspect that if you watched a 'time lapse' of the dc beltway circa 2000 -> 2014 you would see the size of individual cars grow while the number of occupants per car remain constant	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	as in, work was done on the hardware, os etc. qntra code itself was never touched.	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	decimation i dunno, the big car trend was more of a 70s thing i thought	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	course there was the suv blip	[07:57]
cazalla	weird, doesn't seem to be working now and quantcast code snippet is in 2 places when i only put it in 1	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	but in fairness : those are mostlky normal chassis with a shitton of plastic mounted on top.	[07:57]
asciilifeform	truck chassis (typically); and obscenely oversized engine	[07:58]
cazalla	i might just delete the old one and start again	[07:58]
mircea_popescu	the old who ?!	[07:58]
cazalla	quantcast	[07:58]
cazalla	it's not tracking anything now https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net	[07:59]
mircea_popescu	cazalla nothing since the 14th huh ?	[07:59]
mircea_popescu	i tell you whatr it is, it prolly doesn't like the new ip	[08:00]
mircea_popescu	either reverify or sure, make a new one, no big deal	[08:00]
asciilifeform	log is dead	[08:00]
mircea_popescu	check out rich folk on qntra.	[08:00]
mircea_popescu	basically, qantcast qntra reader profile is, male azn > 150k a year.	[08:01]
mircea_popescu	dude you should run a dating site.	[08:01]
asciilifeform	random numbers?	[08:01]
asciilifeform	(who, exactly, supplied these?)	[08:01]
decimation	part of the reason that suvs became popular is that usg environmental regulation encouraged the production of 'light trucks'	[08:01]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << i have nfi	[08:01]
PinkPosixPXE	haha	[08:01]
cazalla	deleted and made a new one	[08:02]
PinkPosixPXE	I fully support the bitcoin titty-shot promotion, but I don't think I'll be participating ;)	[08:04]
mircea_popescu	titshy ?	[08:04]
PinkPosixPXE	*shy	[08:04]
mircea_popescu	well guess how the cure for that goes.	[08:04]
PinkPosixPXE	;)	[08:05]
BingoBoingo	%d	[08:05]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 2070386.76 in 1744 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 340.93	[08:05]
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mircea_popescu	so, about a week or so ago the x.eur was not quoting. i did hear about it.	[08:07]
mircea_popescu	for the entire three month interval preceding that, x.eur did not trade. at fucking all.	[08:07]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck are these people that bitch when something goes away but then don't use it when it's here ? i wish to know.	[08:08]
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mircea_popescu	o, no, gotta "speculate" on shit/scam venues.	[08:08]
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mircea_popescu	makes sense, yeah. be the change you wish to see in the world and shit like that.	[08:09]
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ThickAsThieves	<+mats_cd03> lol dude operates a mixer. /// probly part of the trap	[08:12]
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kakobrekla	fucking do idiots.	[08:17]
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ThickAsThieves	oh mp sez ATC iz ded nao?	[08:21]
ThickAsThieves	we'll see	[08:22]
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RagnarDanneskjol	the pool or the coin?	[08:23]
ThickAsThieves	well it's still got pool	[08:24]
ThickAsThieves	and hash	[08:24]
ThickAsThieves	someone sold down the mkt tho	[08:25]
RagnarDanneskjol	ahh - that would be easy to do	[08:26]
RagnarDanneskjol	yea pool's still going. I was under impression it was for amusement purposes / didn't realize it had any particular value	[08:27]
ThickAsThieves	well it's a decent testcoin	[08:29]
ThickAsThieves	and it's no premine	[08:29]
RagnarDanneskjol	51% attack would be a cinch too - especially with majority of hashing on p2pool	[08:30]
ThickAsThieves	hehe maybe good tool to practice overtaking btc then	[08:31]
ThickAsThieves	it's Altcoin, it is what it is	[08:31]
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PinkPosixPXE	mircea_popescu: I'll send you 0.1BTC if you throw me some rank, you can send me pictures of your titties as well, with a string of text written on them. ;)	[08:33]
BingoBoingo	!up fivezerotwo	[08:33]
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fivezerotwo	ty although i'm just lurking	[08:34]
BingoBoingo	k	[08:36]
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nubbins`	found my OLPC xo-1 from back in 2007	[08:37]
nubbins`	they're actually still updating everything	[08:40]
mircea_popescu	PinkPosixPXE wait wut ?	[08:48]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you've missed a lot in the logs.	[08:48]
ThickAsThieves	apparently so	[08:51]
ThickAsThieves	halp?	[08:51]
ThickAsThieves	i thought i read em all...	[08:52]
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cazalla	mircea_popescu, can't upload files, dir not writable	[08:59]
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cazalla	at least not via wordpress anyway	[09:00]
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mircea_popescu	cazalla uh so make it writable or what.	[09:06]
cazalla	dunno, i used pos file manager in cpanel so doesn't matter	[09:06]
mircea_popescu	a i think wordpress has a narrow size limit, may be 1mb or somethign	[09:06]
PinkPosixPXE	mircea_popescu: I'll send you 0.1 BTC, same deal, if you provide me with some WOT rank, and if you want to do some personal shots, with a string of my choice, that's highly encouraged as well.	[09:07]
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mircea_popescu	;;rate PinkPosixPXE -1 Sure, there you go.	[09:08]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user PinkPosixPXE has been recorded.	[09:08]
PinkPosixPXE	except, it's not a competition, you just get the 0.1 BTC	[09:08]
cazalla	http://qntra.net/2014/10/digitalbtc-release-september-quarterly-report/	[09:08]
assbot	digitalBTC Release September Quarterly Report \| Qntra.net	[09:08]
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othernubs`	but without competition, we have nothing	[09:09]
PinkPosixPXE	well if you all want to compete, that's fine too. But I'd secure the 0.1 for mircea_popescu	[09:09]
PinkPosixPXE	but he doesn't seem fond of the idea	[09:09]
mircea_popescu	cazalla i dun get it. how exactly they earned 6k btc ?	[09:09]
cazalla	they say they mined it	[09:09]
mircea_popescu	not through that entire mintsy bs, "allowing people to add their computers" to the... world's largest first and best exchange nobody uses	[09:10]
mircea_popescu	they mined 240 blocks in 3 months ?	[09:10]
othernubs`	3 blocks a day	[09:11]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 52/4 / 2 * 2036	[09:11]
gribble	13234	[09:11]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 240 / 13234	[09:11]
gribble	0.0181351065438	[09:11]
mircea_popescu	;;bc,stats	[09:11]
gribble	Current Blocks: 326129 \| Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 \| Next Difficulty In: 462 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 8 hours, 56 minutes, and 3 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 36016235848.5 \| Estimated Percent Change: 2.89623	[09:11]
mircea_popescu	hm wrong one.	[09:12]
mircea_popescu	;;bc,hash	[09:12]
gribble	Error: "bc,hash" is not a valid command.	[09:12]
mircea_popescu	;;nethash	[09:12]
gribble	251094498.651	[09:12]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 0.0181351065438 * 251094498.651	[09:12]
gribble	4553625.4856	[09:12]
mircea_popescu	they got 4,5ph then ?	[09:12]
othernubs`	C- student did not show work	[09:12]
cazalla	they've done a few million dollar deals with bitfury, so they claim anyway, i don't know who is jewing who anymore	[09:12]
othernubs`	would not etc etc	[09:13]
mircea_popescu	cazalla somehow i have trouble believing this story, but hey.	[09:13]
cazalla	well the zhenya guy apparently is russian mafia	[09:14]
mircea_popescu	derp.	[09:14]
cazalla	who knows though, guy had puff daddy perform for his missus at her birthday bash	[09:14]
mircea_popescu	i like the brick and mortar way this is going.	[09:15]
mircea_popescu	weren';t we discussing a month or so ago the unfortunate affairs of a puff daddy promoter, ended up in jail for fraud ?	[09:15]
cazalla	anyway, i'm not claiming it's factual, they are and it's what they submitted to asx, i find it interesting to follow this lot though	[09:15]
mircea_popescu	is it actually published on an oz gov site anywhere ?	[09:16]
cazalla	it is published on the asx so just as good	[09:16]
cazalla	http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20141020/pdf/42t0mqrygyzd74.pdf	[09:16]
mircea_popescu	aha aite then.	[09:16]
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ThickAsThieves	;;tslb	[09:18]
gribble	Time since last block: 29 minutes and 8 seconds	[09:18]
ThickAsThieves	scams	[09:18]
cazalla	the company never gives specific information as to whether they mine on their own or part of a pool or how much hashing power they have	[09:19]
mircea_popescu	;;google bre-x	[09:22]
gribble	Bre-X - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Bre-X $6 Billion Gold Fraud Story - Business Insider: ; A Lode of Lies: How Bre-X Fooled Everyone - Washington Post:	[09:22]
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cazalla	so is it problematic to continue posting about them? i'm not claiming what they published is legit, it's more just to cover what they claim until such time it's proven to be a fraud	[09:29]
cazalla	and not much news around today either	[09:29]
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punkman	;;isitup log.bitcoin-assets.com	[09:32]
gribble	Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.	[09:32]
punkman	;;isitdown log.bitcoin-assets.com	[09:33]
gribble	log.bitcoin-assets.com is down	[09:33]
punkman	'ello	[09:33]
mircea_popescu	cazalla well no, since they filed and etc it's solid news.	[09:33]
punkman	"We're just sending you a courtesy e-mail to let you know that the funds you deposited into your Envato Market account some time ago are about to expire."	[09:35]
punkman	"Envato expires cash deposits automatically after one year as a small percentage of users leave money in their account for long periods of time and cannot be contacted. Unfortunately Envato cannot be responsible for holding cash for indefinite periods"	[09:35]
punkman	fuckers	[09:36]
mircea_popescu	cazalla so if they bought 4.5Ph from bitfury that'd have cost them about	[09:36]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 4500 * 1700	[09:37]
gribble	7650000	[09:37]
mircea_popescu	do they list 7.65 mn in assets ?	[09:37]
BingoBoingo	http://www.crimeflare.com/	[09:42]
assbot	CrimeFlare	[09:42]
mircea_popescu	"CloudFlare is a venture-funded startup that routes around Internet abuse by acting as a reverse proxy." wait wut ?	[09:44]
mircea_popescu	this looks and feels like that "steve gibson research" nut.	[09:47]
cazalla	i think they claim they spent 2.5m with bitfury	[09:47]
mircea_popescu	they didn't get gear to mine 6k bitcoins in 3 months for 2.5mn from bitfury, that's certain.	[09:48]
mircea_popescu	either they're lying about the bitcoins incoming, or they're paying a 5-10% to rent hashes.	[09:49]
mircea_popescu	prolly both, i guess.	[09:49]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, see if the russian mobster puff daddy guy is willing to give you an interview. you got at least 10 decent q's to ask him in here.	[09:51]
cazalla	here we go "One such customer is the Australian stock market listed Digital BTC6, which purchased mining hardware from BitFury in March, May and Augustⁱ)	[19:34]
chetty	what is a ceo?	[19:35]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: didn't you have some background information on bitcoinshop.us	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	!s bitcoinshop.us	[19:36]
assbot	3 results for 'bitcoinshop.us' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitcoinshop.us	[19:36]
thestringpuller	it was on trilema	[19:36]
thestringpuller	;;google site:trilema.com bitcoinshup	[19:36]
gribble	No matches found.	[19:36]
thestringpuller	;;google site:trilema.com bitcoinshop	[19:36]
gribble	Scam flavour of the day : bitcoinshop.us aka Hotel Management ...: ; The psychology of the bagholder pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; S.MG, March 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: (1 more message)	[19:36]
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thestringpuller	there we go	[19:36]
thestringpuller	the frist one	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	a yes	[19:36]
thestringpuller	http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/bitcoin-shop-announces-formation-of-advisory-board-otcqb-btcs-1959113.htm	[19:37]
assbot	Bitcoin Shop Announces Formation of Advisory Board	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[19:37]
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mircea_popescu	did you get your tablet ?	[19:37]
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mircea_popescu	o look at that, you can no longer - bash entries ?	[19:39]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: yea. and then broke it. i still have my backpack they proxied from china tho.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	in other news, dji only down half a % today	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	meta-up 200% from yesterday	[19:40]
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mircea_popescu	http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=290 << bwahahah	[19:43]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets bash	[19:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17404 @ 0.00073928 = 12.8664 BTC [-] {3}	[19:43]
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kakobrekla	meh, that voting system i did there was broked. and i fixed it 3 times and its still broked.	[19:45]
ThickAsThieves	tried breaking it yet?	[19:45]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2014/10/bank-of-england-payment-settlements-offline-home-purchases-impossible/	[19:46]
assbot	Bank of England Payment Settlements Offline: Home Purchases Impossible \| Qntra.net	[19:46]
kakobrekla	thats the inherit property, cant get tired of it.	[19:46]
kakobrekla	it is what it is now. up what you like, ignore what you dont, should be ok, over time.	[19:47]
kakobrekla	speaking of this, rating systems are a science of its own	[19:48]
kakobrekla	and i have nfi what would be best here	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla i believe it.	[19:48]
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mircea_popescu	they are a science, and hardly worth the effort given that w/e, it's just bash quotes	[19:49]
kakobrekla	im a masochist, i heard.	[19:49]
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mircea_popescu	it's fine until you start hearing it from gurlz.	[19:50]
chetty	masochist = synonym with programmer, right?	[19:50]
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kakobrekla	heh	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	!up libertardian	[19:51]
-assbot-	You voiced libertardian for 30 minutes.	[19:51]
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mircea_popescu	libertardian hello brother. are you here to help me turn the tide and breach through the oppressive injustice these ancap redpiller types keep weaving ?	[19:52]
thestringpuller	what are redpillers? people who saw the matrix and think it's real?	[19:53]
mthreat	http://www.reddit.com/r/theredpill	[19:53]
assbot	The Red Pill	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller apparently it's a thing. http://trilema.com/2014/please-take-your-pills/ << that's where i discovered it anyway	[19:53]
assbot	Please take your pills. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[19:53]
thestringpuller	oh so like PUA but dumb?	[19:54]
thestringpuller	but more dumb*	[19:54]
mthreat	and i thought the matrix was real	[19:54]
thestringpuller	wait so nerds are getting laid less?	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	well pua has a major disadvantage for your run of the mill usian : it's falsifiable, like a science.	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	they need stuff more like SOCIAL sciences, ie, talkradio. so they came up with this unfalsifiable version that's all yak, no actual anything.	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	course it doesn't deal with cunt anymore except in the meta, but that's really okay for the demo.	[19:55]
thestringpuller	ugh. this reminds me of college which was just high school 2.0	[19:55]
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thestringpuller	"We can't get laid. Lets over analyze it to see why girls won't touch our penises"	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	jesus what college did you go ot	[19:56]
thestringpuller	Georgia Tech	[19:56]
thestringpuller	Like MIT but not as cold.	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	there weren't any pacts involved were there ?	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	wtf, wait a second, georgia tech is a major party school.	[19:56]
thestringpuller	Major alcholic school*	[19:56]
thestringpuller	people don't know how to party there!	[19:56]
thestringpuller	it's like 5 guys with 2 girls standing around drinking	[19:57]
thestringpuller	5 guys for every 2 girls*	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	dude i dunno.	[19:57]
thestringpuller	I guess some kids just never "get" social skills.	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	"Alright chods, some of you could use some help on how to mack and succeed at parties. Mostly pledges do, but some bros could use a review. For anytime throughout the party… If you are standing by yourself at any point, YOU ARE OUTTA HERE!!! If you are talking to a brother of your pledge brothers when there are girls just standing around, YOU ARE OUTTA HERE!!!"	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	or how did that go.	[19:59]
thestringpuller	Oh yea. One second there was 1 fraternity that was very "rape-y"	[19:59]
thestringpuller	i'll get the leaked email	[19:59]
thestringpuller	Yea that's from it	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[20:00]
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thestringpuller	"If the party is going good (a.k.a. there are a lot of open girls) try to escalate cause it.s awesome. Here is how to escalate: Try to twist her hips around to face you and dance front to front. FROM THERE THE OPTIONS ARE UNLIMITED! You can make-out with her (tongue on tongue), you can stick your hand up her shirt (not right away though), you can go for a butt grab (outside or inside the shirts), or use your imag	[20:01]
thestringpuller	Yea the girls at Tech are feminist so that email didn't go down too well.	[20:01]
thestringpuller	even though 1 out of every 3 girls found at a fraternity party is looking to hook up	[20:02]
thestringpuller	so I dunno ~_~	[20:02]
ThickAsThieves	3 of 3	[20:02]
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mircea_popescu	^	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	wtf, why else is she there ? to get out of the atlanta rain ?	[20:02]
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thestringpuller	usually it's girls under 21 trying to get free alcohol	[20:04]
thestringpuller	most girls at tech don't put out until they are 22	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[20:04]
thestringpuller	^- not really just making a joke	[20:04]
thestringpuller	But really, I hung out with a fraternity brother once who said he hooked up with a girl who didn't know she had a clitoris.	[20:05]
thestringpuller	But hey that's none of my business.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	yeah, well, what bros say about women may or may not be indicative of women.	[20:05]
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thestringpuller	Not saying it's fact, just plausible given my tenure at the plpace.	[20:06]
thestringpuller	given what occurred during my tenure*	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, i was there briefly, it wasn't bad.	[20:08]
thestringpuller	Well you don't get the UGA behavior.	[20:09]
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thestringpuller	But that's a little much.	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	hm ?	[20:10]
thestringpuller	UGA, when school is in, is like Mini Mardi Gras every weekend.	[20:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00074178 = 23.8853 BTC [+] {2}	[20:11]
thestringpuller	Football games there leave the city of Athens looking like the Greece Athens right nao	[20:11]
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mircea_popescu	shit, there's two of them in atlanta ?	[20:12]
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mircea_popescu	well fuck me, maybe i was confusing one with the other	[20:12]
thestringpuller	UGA is in Athens 2 hours east of Atlanta	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	hm	[20:13]
thestringpuller	Atlatna has Georgia Tech, Georgia State and Emory	[20:13]
thestringpuller	Also Agnes Scott...	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	dude perspective's a bitch. it's almost like you can make no useful judgement about anything of note from having spent half a weekend in some rnadom town	[20:13]
BingoBoingo	Last ditch phone charging https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/1896752_807594532587586_979724882_n.jpg	[20:14]
kakobrekla	yeah idiot, should set it below 500w	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	blame tesla	[20:15]
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ThickAsThieves	gavin is doing an AMA tomorrow	[20:18]
kakobrekla	on 4chan?	[20:19]
BingoBoingo	!up disident	[20:19]
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ThickAsThieves	on fortran	[20:20]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: http://coinbrief.net/bitcoin-block-size-economics-gavin-andresen/ << you see that yet?	[20:20]
assbot	Bitcoin Blocksize Economics: Gavin is Wrong - Coin Brief	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller lol what is that	[20:21]
BingoBoingo	%t	[20:21]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 44 Ask: 241 Last Price: 49 24h-Vol: 2736k High: 190 Low: 1 VWAP: 54	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	"Coin Brief is Your Open Source for Digital Currency News, and was formed in April 2014. Since that time it has quickly grown, and is becoming THE hub for digital currency news, information, and tools." ooookay ?	[20:21]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14405 @ 0.00074182 = 10.6859 BTC [+] {2}	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	;;seen danielkrawsiz	[20:23]
gribble	I have not seen danielkrawsiz.	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	;;seen DanielKrawisz	[20:23]
gribble	DanielKrawisz was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 5 days, 17 hours, 16 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: Yeah, nodes should be able to use micropayments to charge one another for data.	[20:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28052 @ 0.000742 = 20.8146 BTC [+]	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell DanielKrawisz "The real issue here is that Bitcoin is almost certainly not sustainable if the block size remains limited to 1 Mb. " << nobody agrees with this idiocy.	[20:23]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:23]
ThickAsThieves	"read it. Was it reviewed by any actual economists? Mine was by five, are we all wrong?" ~gavin	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	just as well you might be saying "the world wil not be sustainable if there's not more social justice"	[20:23]
ThickAsThieves	we	[20:24]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: It's the only other article I found disagreeing with Gavin.	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	it may be fashionable AMONG IDIOTS, it's neither true nor important.	[20:24]
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ThickAsThieves	we means you when i want you to be me	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves amusingly, usgavin is pulling out the "your shit's not usg certified" card.	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	herpy-derp-a-derp, such a valid argument that is, really.	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	perhaps we "just don't understand how the world works".	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	anyway, if anyone wants to ask gavin anything, you've got plenty of material in here.	[20:26]
ThickAsThieves	but how we will do more tx than VISA?	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	"Why are you lying ?" is a good start. "Why are you acting as if Bitcoin were a USG project ? It's not, you are."	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	etc.	[20:26]
ThickAsThieves	those arent really question tho hehe	[20:27]
ThickAsThieves	s	[20:27]
ThickAsThieves	why are you what i say you are?	[20:27]
bounce	not unusual for scores of economists to be all wrong together	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i was merely summarizing.	[20:27]
ThickAsThieves	or to be wrong in general	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	bounce that's not even it. is he genuinely proposing that the bar for corectness is finding 5 "actual" economist sto agree,	[20:28]
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mircea_popescu	because out of the fifty billion idiots that are nevertheless certified as economists by the us paper mill	[20:28]
ThickAsThieves	and why did none of them cosign?	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	never has it happened that more than 4 were in agreement on any piece of idiocy	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	nor could it, for structural reasons he's omitted to explain ?	[20:28]
ThickAsThieves	"Who are the 5 economists?"	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves no. that is pushing things the wrong way.	[20:29]
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mircea_popescu	because then he can give 5 names and make it look like he answered something.	[20:29]
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ThickAsThieves	need to paint into corner to get truths	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	i couldn't care less if five popes signed on his stupidity.	[20:29]
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mircea_popescu	this is exactly how this doesn't work.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	the problem here isn't that gavin is trying to fuck things up, because he won't succeed.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	the problem here is that gavin is trying to paint the box for the discussion.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	and WE won't admit this theory where "econoimists" matter.	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	if they did, they had made bitcoin.	[20:30]
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mircea_popescu	they didn't make bitcoin. they don't get to join later on and get a seat at the table.	[20:30]
ThickAsThieves	so he can be like 'ok ok gais, we'll only do 10% size per year, no shaddup'	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	an economist wants to be an economist, 6 months on the logs and tit pictures.	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	like everyone else.	[20:30]
ThickAsThieves	now*	[20:30]
Namworld	I found a food wholesaler in the middle of the city, industrial looking building. It's like entering some fish factory or something. Things look old, a bit unclean. Looks like a factory filled with supplies.	[20:31]
Namworld	Best shopping experience I've ever had tho...	[20:31]
bounce	you like shopping in fish factories?	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	so, anyway. questions. "What makes you think getting the okay of five anon products of the US diploma mill has any bearing ? Bitcoin wasn't made by "economists"	[20:32]
Namworld	Apparently. But it was just an example, didn't really smell of fish.	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	but im still partial to "why are you lying".	[20:32]
bounce	is it lying if he doesn't know better?	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[20:33]
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ben_vulpes	https://twitter.com/TamithaSkov/status/524237383676338176	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	he is opening his mouth, that's the voluntary act.	[20:33]
assbot	Large M-class flare now &climbing! /hashtag/hamradio?src=hash blackout, /hashtag/GPS?src=hash, satellite phone& i-net issues next 1+hr esp W.Hemisphere http://t.co/XDx4g2mRrj	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	if he doesn't make sure he knows any better first, that's the culpable act.	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	anyway, seriously, gavin and "5 ~actual~ economists", this is the "are we all wrong" astroturf consensus he hopes to go on ?	[20:34]
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Namworld	You know what I mean. Stuff not kept in perfect condition, lighting not very bright. Lots of spillage/uncleaned stuff. Rust/dirty walls.	[20:35]
Namworld	It looks like an actual warehouse, not a "warehouse" supermarket.	[20:35]
ThickAsThieves	https://www.circle.com/en/2014/10/20/circle-submits-comments-nydfs-proposed-bitlicense	[20:35]
assbot	Circle Submits Comments to NYDFS on Proposed BitLicense	[20:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21255 @ 0.00074216 = 15.7746 BTC [+] {2}	[20:35]
bounce	so you still get to buy stuff by less than a full distribution box?	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves who knows, maybe they learn to not pdf.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	after which, they might matter.	[20:36]
Namworld	Yes. They wrote what could be bought in single quantity. Opened boxed and unopened ones. Usually a discount for whole boxes and half boxes.	[20:36]
Namworld	I mostly went to check for meat/fishes to fill my freezer.	[20:37]
bounce	complete powertrip for the regulation peeps. "oh, new thing, money-ish. let's r e g u l a t e" -- and then just sit back and watch the companies affected fall over themselves to submit to not-even-existing-yet regulations	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	fucking shocking, 5 "actual" economists found that agree inflation is a good idea, and if anything is naturally uninflationary, adding it in is the tits.	[20:37]
bounce	the regulators really don't care what they're regulating, as long as they can make you dance on their regulation strings. what are we regulating this thing for again?	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	bounce yup. which is why the "you seem to have omitted suckling my penis, son" is the right approach.	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	anyway, got a meeting. we can resume usgavin and the five fail dwarves discussion later.	[20:39]
Namworld	idk why I never looked for one before. I'd recommend. It's just better.	[20:39]
bounce	cherry-picking your economists, sort-of like cherry-picking your data, but not quite.	[20:39]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, im not playing this stupid game. he wants to ama, he can come here.	[20:40]
bounce	somebody might drop the hint there	[20:42]
thestringpuller	http://bitcoinist.net/the-optimal-block-size/ << this article references Mircea	[20:43]
assbot	The Optimal Block Size \| Bitcoinist.net	[20:43]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu *	[20:43]
thestringpuller	oh and it links to the logs	[20:43]
thestringpuller	someone is sane?	[20:43]
bounce	really don't feel like reading the entire circle thing. the headlines read reasonable but eg. the bit about aml merely says "aml doubleplus good. we happy to aml for you. you want even more aml than the feds, no good." which is a bit weak.	[20:45]
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ThickAsThieves	itd be unreasonable to ask for special treatment for less reg	[20:48]
ThickAsThieves	in the end, current regs already do apply	[20:48]
bounce	it's the only way out, actually	[20:48]
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bounce	look here, the guy's proposing lots of regs so he can make his mark on history. then he can do one of two things: more regs, recommending less regs. what he cannot possibly do is keep regulatory levels the same as federal requirements because that deprives him of making his mark on history.	[20:50]
bounce	this goes even if it's the only possible choice. that it isn't, because the aml regs already make little sense and even more stringent rules therefore can only make even less sense.	[20:51]
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bounce	so what's going to happen is there'll be some toning down on this proposal to show heart to the community and all that, but we still end up with more rules than already required. and in a few years the whole thing becomes obsolete because unworkable. there goes the mark on history.	[20:52]
nubbins`	"In light of the foregoing, it should be clear that Mircea, not Gavin, is derping here."	[20:52]
nubbins`	my sides	[20:52]
ThickAsThieves	tbf, that's how mp would write it	[20:53]
punkman	such wordsmith	[20:53]
nubbins`	i chuckled, gotta say	[20:53]
nubbins`	altho he did incorrectly quote.	[20:53]
nubbins`	i think the <<< indicating reply wasn't picked up	[20:54]
nubbins`	so it seems like he said the whole thing, when in fact it was a comment on something you said	[20:54]
nubbins`	but hey, that variety speak 8)	[20:54]
thestringpuller	LOL	[20:55]
thestringpuller	i just saw that in the logs	[20:55]
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thestringpuller	nubbins`: the shirts are well received	[21:19]
thestringpuller	What size was the one that was being worn in the proof shot you send me?	[21:20]
thestringpuller	sent*	[21:20]
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nubbins`	ah, i have no idea	[21:24]
nubbins`	that was just a stock photo	[21:24]
nubbins`	maybe a small?	[21:24]
thestringpuller	well there was one where someone was wearing the physical shirt (i think it was your wife?)	[21:24]
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nubbins`	help me out here	[21:25]
thestringpuller	one second	[21:25]
thestringpuller	http://imgur.com/lJulXNl	[21:27]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[21:27]
nubbins`	ah, yes	[21:27]
nubbins`	that's a small	[21:27]
thestringpuller	k	[21:28]
thestringpuller	we've almost sold them all I think 1 left?	[21:28]
nubbins`	suite	[21:28]
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thestringpuller	what would another order cost now that the screen exist	[21:29]
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nubbins`	$9.75ea for another 6	[21:32]
nubbins`	it's still up on the press now, otherwise it'd be a bit extra	[21:32]
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thestringpuller	nubbins`: does that include shipping?	[21:43]
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nubbins`	no	[21:50]
nubbins`	shipping is w/e the postage said last time ;D	[21:50]
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thestringpuller	hopefully petenineteen didn't toss it out	[21:51]
nubbins`	i might have it here	[21:51]
thestringpuller	coocoo	[21:52]
nubbins`	nope, n/m	[21:53]
nubbins`	didn't print the postage for that one at home	[21:53]
nubbins`	i think it was somewhere between 20 and 40	[21:53]
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mircea_popescu	%p	[21:59]
atcbot	>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1070.19 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.32 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.82 TH/s	[21:59]
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mircea_popescu	someone is sane? << apparently it's possible	[22:00]
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mircea_popescu	in the end, current regs already do apply <<< ahahah what ?	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	"In light of the foregoing, it should be clear that Mircea, not Gavin, is derping here." << the only thing that matters in there is that they understand who is setting the conversation and establishing the winners and losers	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	what they opine as to how either of those should work, well... i'm a believer in free speech just as much as the next guy.	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	they can opine anything till they drop.	[22:04]
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mircea_popescu	i think it was somewhere between 20 and 40 << llol. isn't thiks true of like, 90% of all postage ever ?	[22:05]
nubbins`	i can send a flat-packed poster to nottingham for the same price i can send a dozen shirts to china	[22:06]
nubbins`	if there's logic in that, i can't find it	[22:07]
nubbins`	worse voodoo than airline seat pricing	[22:07]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/usgavin-the-lolcow/	[22:46]
assbot	USGavin, the lolcow pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[22:46]
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ThickAsThieves	http://www.4-traders.com/news/21-Top-Bitcoin-and-Digital-Currency-Companies-Endorse-New-Digital-Framework-for-Digital-Identity-Tr--19226116/	[22:51]
assbot	21 Top Bitcoin and Digital Currency Companies Endorse New Digital Framework for Digital Identity, Trust and Open Data	[22:51]
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mircea_popescu	herp.	[22:53]
bounce	buzzwords and marketeerspeak, aka smoke and mirrors. what's the substance?	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/861/raul-gonzalez-to-play-in-nasl/#c4170 << shit is this actually the player in question ?!	[22:58]
assbot	BitBet - Raul Gonzalez to play in NASL :: 0.12 B (59%) on Yes, 0.08 B (41%) on No \| closing in 4 hours 4 minutes \| weight: 115 (100`000 to 1)	[22:58]
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mircea_popescu	bounce anyway, it's kind-of amusing to me that the Krawisz fellow KNOWS about gavin's ideas to reduce block propagation from a function of size to a fixed value	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	and yet nothing occurs to him.	[23:17]
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mircea_popescu	what could possibly be wrong with infinite blocks . pdf	[23:18]
bounce	didn't really adress that, did he? not the only thing he glosses over.	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	the worst part of it being that you know, he KNOWS about this place.	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	could have avoided being stupid in public by just asking.	[23:20]
bounce	curious really how the difficulty gets adjusted automatically but the size limit, implying a maximum number of transactions per second, isn't.	[23:21]
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mircea_popescu	well, curious how the car moves forward, but not realy upward.	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	gotta have some fixed points to have a working equilibrium	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	if everything gives every which way you got postmodern us, ie, a mess.	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	that's actually the definition of mess.	[23:24]
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bounce	postmodern us is full of silly arbitrary limits; it's not a natural equilibrium	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	this prolly warrants an in depth discussion. like what ?	[23:25]
bounce	not that blocksize elasticity is automatically a good idea. it opens up an avenue for attack to push the smaller players out	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	that'd be unrelated. can we discuss one thing at a time ?	[23:26]
bounce	hm? how, oh, aml/kyc stuff causes banks to be happy to kick clients out that cause regulatory headaches. why are banks supposed to be policing their clients again?	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	so far what i got from your position is, "curious how the market adjusts the price of the oil barrel, but not what a barrel consists of"	[23:27]
bounce	or that whole spiel with the cows and the senator	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	yes, it has to work that way. some things gotta be fixed.	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	how are either of those two examples of limits ?	[23:27]
bounce	to the point that fixing the points becomes its own game, and they're "fixed" in the sense that a happy few get to move the goalposts but they're not moving any less. they are pretty much guaranteed to be suboptimal, though.	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	which is what "if everything gives every which way you got postmodern us, ie, a mess." is saying.	[23:29]
bounce	was under the impression you were referring to a non-meta-game situation	[23:30]
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mircea_popescu	ah kay.	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	anyway, "blocksize elasticity" and all the rest of the derpage is trying to turn bitcoin into whatever, xrp, nxt, whatever the hell.	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	if those things actually worked, they wouldn't have blown up.	[23:32]
bounce	those have variable-sized blocksize limits and that caused them to blow up?	[23:33]
*	bounce hasn't really kept up there	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	no, but they've had "we know shit and we have economists" dev teams	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	and THOSE caused them to blow up.	[23:33]
bounce	no shortage of those	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	looking at things from a distance always helps. "oh, you wish to tell me that if we make this bar so that anyone can come in and not pay a cover charge it'll be cooler ?"	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	totally, this works, yeah. which is why nobody does it in practice o.O	[23:34]
kakobrekla	those have variable-sized blocksize limits < i dont know if anyone did this before	[23:35]
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mthreat	I can't read Tuur Demester's name without saying it "Turd Meister" in my mind	[23:37]
kakobrekla	bad stenography	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	mthreat it's a common complaint	[23:37]
mthreat	whew	[23:37]
mod6	mircea_popescu: way to hurt some butts in the USGavin trilema article. good read. :)	[23:38]
bounce	plenty places without entrance fees. enabling uncool people to have fun too.	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	;;rated pankkake	[23:39]
gribble	You rated user pankkake on Tue Mar 25 20:14:04 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: dev, my ATC broker.	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	aww, atc.	[23:39]
mod6	ikr :/	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	;;rate pankkake 1 some lols were head, meanwhile he left.	[23:39]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user pankkake has changed from 3 to 1.	[23:39]
kakobrekla	well, left ba.	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	what else is there ?	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	but no, he quit brokering many months before that, an' he we were sort-of working on a project but apparently never went anywhere.	[23:41]
bounce	call it a vacation	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	mod6 anyway, cheers.	[23:41]
TomServo	Did he ever give an explanation? Was it really SystemD bashing?	[23:42]
mod6	apparently there is no where else. his /wi info lists no other chans. heh.	[23:42]
Apocalyptic	on freenode whois only lists channels you have in common	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	TomServo i have nfi. bounce sure, teh future's an open book.	[23:42]
Apocalyptic	here's in #paymium at the moment, at least	[23:42]
mod6	Apocalyptic: ahh. i see.	[23:42]
Apocalyptic	*he's in	[23:42]
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mod6	;;bc,stats	[23:48]
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mod6	;;seen vragnaroda	[23:52]
gribble	vragnaroda was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 17 weeks, 1 day, 6 hours, 29 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: I'm American.	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	wonder what became of him	[23:52]
mod6	i feel like maybe he was in a different chan more recently than that. but maybe it has been that long o.O	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	;;seen staatsfiend	[23:52]
gribble	I have not seen staatsfiend.	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	;;seen staatsfeind	[23:53]
gribble	I have not seen staatsfeind.	[23:53]
mod6	who was the guy who ran spotify coin? can't recall.. he dropped off the map too.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile in a parking lot, http://sarademcutoti.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/577513_301766546573169_885425518_n.jpg	[23:57]
cazalla	mircea_popescu: how is some derps with no money "considering" buying something that doesn't exist news ? <<< jesse's words, not mine, they did pocket some cash from investors, gotta spruce the japanese launch somehow	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	cazalla yeah but you see what i mean	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	whether we're getting paid for that sort of thing or not, it's still paid pr.	[23:57]
cazalla	mircea_popescu: i get it, caleb and co would like us to think kraken actually exists. that's fine, but it doesn't, and why are you pushing it ? <<< i thought i mentioned their low vol in the article, guess not	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	PinkPosixPXE how's the piece coming along ?	[23:58]
mod6	;;seen mcorlette	[23:58]
gribble	I have not seen mcorlette.	[23:58]
mod6	;;seen mcorlett	[23:58]
gribble	mcorlett was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 7 weeks, 0 days, 4 hours, 46 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: Except for yourself, of course.	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	o the guy quit, i recall	[23:58]
mod6	'bout the same time.	[23:58]
mod6	nod	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	no fucking way.	[23:58]
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mircea_popescu	vrag was iirc a mortar man	[23:59]
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mod6	as in artillary?	[23:59]
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mircea_popescu	yea	[23:59]
cazalla	cazalla yeah but you see what i mean <<< not really, it's not a promotional piece, just quoting what the man said himself, i'm not too familiar with kraken guys though tbh	[23:59]

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March and May purchase was a $2 million investment, August was $1.3 million.) of 2014. [09:52] cazalla so 3.3m to earn 6k in past quarter [09:53] mircea_popescu lmao this book is cooked. [09:54] cazalla which is probably why they don't get specific about hashing power, where they mine etc etc [09:54] cazalla i think they probably get the extra from skimming cloudhashing customers [09:54] mircea_popescu there's not enough in that. [09:54] cazalla plus they claimed to have sold old hardware and rent out 10% or 15% of their own hashing power [09:55] mircea_popescu but anyway, my earlier figures were based on a june buy. [09:55] mircea_popescu if they bought in march... [09:55] * hanbot has quit (Quit: Leaving) [09:55] * jacoblyles (~jacoblyle@c-24-23-137-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets [09:56] * dustcoin has quit () [10:00] mircea_popescu nethash back then was just about 25 ph total. like fuck they bought 1/5th of the network and nobody knew. [10:00] BingoBoingo %p [10:03] atcbot >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 2345.62 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 8.00 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.76 TH/s [10:03] BingoBoingo %d [10:03] atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 1854543.95 in 1717 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 294.96 [10:03] * Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [19:01] * Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com [19:01] * Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014 [19:01] * [freenode-info] channel flooding and no channel staff around to help? Please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp [19:01] -assbot- Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass. [19:01] * assbot gives voice to mircea_popescu [19:02] * disident has quit (Quit: disident) [19:04] mircea_popescu assbot: Kraken Considers Purchasing MtGox Assets As It Pushes Into Japan | Qntra.net << ok, this i don't get. [19:08] mircea_popescu how is some derps with no money "considering" buying something that doesn't exist news ? [19:08] mircea_popescu i get it, caleb and co would like us to think kraken actually exists. that's fine, but it doesn't, and why are you pushing it ? [19:08] mircea_popescu cazalla^ [19:08] kakobrekla but it sez FOREX on the front page [19:09] mircea_popescu heh. [19:09] mircea_popescu cazalla: which is critical during a child's formative early years." <<< I wonder about this with my son, we're both with him 24/7 << after about 7 or so that's unhealthy. [19:09] * darlidada has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [19:10] mircea_popescu fluffypony: boiling frogs. <<< ayup. [19:11] TomServo mircea_popescu: Is there a trilema article handy detailing your child rearing tips? [19:11] mircea_popescu you invested in the craig dude ? i mean anything other than the lulz [19:11] mircea_popescu i have a huge investment of lulz with him myself. [19:11] mircea_popescu TomServo are you setting me up ? yeah, i know, i got no kids bla bla. but i speak for the romanian school of psychology, pre 1990 god damn it. i know shit. [19:12] TomServo mircea_popescu: Not at all. I've noticed you have a quite a few is all. [19:13] * darlidada (~Decima`@unaffiliated/decima/x-7503346) has joined #bitcoin-assets [19:13] kakobrekla > Now available on Bloomberg Terminal due to customer demand < just love this, 'all seven users wrote to us that they heard of bloomberg sometime someplace' [19:13] mircea_popescu yeah. but i never really wrote about it because well... that'd be the end of days, mp mommy blogger. [19:13] TomServo hahah [19:13] mircea_popescu kakobrekla you know bloomberg terminals are still widely used. 50k or so i'd guess. [19:13] kakobrekla yeah well, the only reason they are on bloomber is because of

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on frontpage. [19:14] mircea_popescu who you mean, kraken ? [19:14] kakobrekla yes [19:14] mircea_popescu nah, just go to some people that aren't mp offer them .1 btc for whatever and you're in. [19:15] mircea_popescu bloomberg isn't as well kept as the wot. [19:15] kakobrekla oh you are making pun [19:15] mircea_popescu anyway, after the entire "we're built with security in mind from the ground up and also please everyone send btc to this address and we'll sort it out later" adventure, and then lying about it... [19:16] mircea_popescu im sure they'll do fine o.O [19:16] mircea_popescu fluffypony: in those 4 weeks I saw a doctor twice and a specialist once << fuck 4 weeks ? i'm throwing a conniption fit in the third motherfucking day [19:17] mircea_popescu i've never been sick for a week straight nor do i think it possible. [19:17] * DreadKnight (~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight) has joined #bitcoin-assets [19:17] * OneFixt (~OneFixt@unaffiliated/onefixt) has joined #bitcoin-assets [19:18] * darlidada has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [19:19] mircea_popescu assbot: Intel Subsidiary Agrees to $750,000 Penalty for Unauthorized Encryption Exports << now that is news! got a BingoBoingo in da haus ? [19:19] BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Yeah, it's in the cue after I finish the next piece [19:20] * mircea_popescu giggles excitedly [19:20] kakobrekla do i get like a finders fee [19:20] kakobrekla :D [19:20] mircea_popescu ;;later tell kakobrekla here's your finders fee for the intel article [19:21] gribble The operation succeeded. [19:21] kakobrekla scam [19:21] * undata has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [19:21] kakobrekla o i got a new msg! [19:21] mircea_popescu kakobrekla wanna write it up ? or... make the woman do it ? [19:21] kakobrekla scam [19:21] * undata (~undata@gateway/tor-sasl/undata) has joined #bitcoin-assets [19:21] kakobrekla low on time. let PinkPosixPXE write. [19:21] kakobrekla for some redemption [19:21] mircea_popescu i guess that'd work. [19:22] * nubbins` (~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163081094.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets [19:22] PinkPosixPXE I can do that [19:24] mircea_popescu make it good. [19:24] thestringpuller or not [19:24] mircea_popescu hey X-Rob in da house ? ello ? [19:24] thestringpuller that's cazalla's job [19:24] mircea_popescu thestringpuller the less of it he has to do, the more of it he can do, ya know ? [19:24] thestringpuller :D [19:25] thestringpuller i can't find any real btc news on the net still [19:25] thestringpuller all "this is why x is long on btc" [19:25] thestringpuller "btc is rivaling payments here's why" [19:25] mircea_popescu BingoBoingo and lemme guess, currently being workt on is assbot: House purchases on hold as real-time payment system goes offline - Telegraph ? [19:25] BingoBoingo That's after Intel fine [19:26] BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2014/10/ibm-pays-to-divest-chip-business/ [19:26] assbot IBM Pays To Divest Chip Business | Qntra.net [19:26] BingoBoingo Now writing Intel fine. [19:26] kakobrekla BingoBoingo PinkPosixPXE has that one [19:26] kakobrekla imma brb [19:26] BingoBoingo Ah, then now writing Housing market stalls as payments stop [19:27] mod6 find any real btc news on the net still [19:27] mircea_popescu chetty: http://www.adfmedia.org/News/PRDetail/9364 <<, ahahaha WHAT [19:27] assbot Govt tells Christian ministers: Perform same-sex weddings or face jail, fines - Alliance Defending Freedom [19:27] BingoBoingo mod6: Slow on that front [19:27] mod6 << bah. anyway, all the real news is on irc. [19:27] mod6 sorry, bad copy. [19:27] mircea_popescu mod6 will be fined five ounces of lead and an ounce of ink [19:28] mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yeah give the girl a chance. [19:28] BingoBoingo K [19:28] mircea_popescu *: Adlai isn't sure that, were he looking for a minister to perform a same-sex marriage, he'd want one who was only doing it under threat of incarceration << details, details. it's the united states of methodical hypocrisy anyway, they don't get married to be married, they get married to get the paperwork. [19:29] mircea_popescu education, work, everything the same. they don't buy shoes to have shoes, they buy shoes for the other people to see they got shoes. [19:29] mircea_popescu etc. [19:29] chetty http://www.marketwatch.com/story/warren-buffett-losing-over-1-billion-on-ibm-2014-10-20 [19:30] assbot Warren Buffett losing over $1 billion on IBM - MarketWatch [19:31] mircea_popescu heh. [19:31] mircea_popescu BUT the dynamism embedded in our market economy will continue to work its magic. America’s best days lie ahead. [19:31] mircea_popescu Could anyone really believe the earth was going to swallow up the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America?!?!?!?! [19:31] mircea_popescu With this tailwind working for us, Charlie and I hope!!!11 [19:31] bounce .oO( god blesses america, doesn't he? ) [19:32] assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00074028 = 20.0246 BTC [-] [19:32] mircea_popescu i dunno why so many people want to live LONGER [19:32] mircea_popescu so as to what, cover a career built on a deserved reputation for insight under a pile of senile ridicule ? [19:33] mircea_popescu Adlai: how about from now on, no btc-related company ever fills the "ceo" role <<< welcome to mpex in 2011 : [↩]

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