Forum logs for 20 Nov 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [08:18]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 527.0, Best ask: 528.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 527.0, 24 hour volume: 98572.30226817, 24 hour low: 475.1, 24 hour high: 819.965, 24 hour vwap: 625.0883 [08:18]
mircea_popescu ha. [08:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00083853 = 7.7983 BTC [-] [08:30]
Namworld Falling down. Can't do otherwise after such a rapid and ridiculous rise. [08:32]
Namworld Seems after correction, we'll still have made huge gains over 100USD/BTC [08:32]
mircea_popescu we did fine. coulda been a lot worse. [08:33]
mircea_popescu course, the azns don't have anyone keeping an eye on things and it shows. they got lucky this time. [08:33]
mircea_popescu but they're only on wave two. who knows wtf they cook next time. [08:34]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [+] [08:37]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.0602 = 0.903 BTC [+] {4} [08:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 159 @ 0.00188 = 0.2989 BTC [+] [08:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00083853 = 3.2703 BTC [-] [08:58]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.484799 BTC [+] [09:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00429999 = 0.1075 BTC [-] {2} [09:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0043 = 0.215 BTC [+] {2} [09:27]
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mircea_popescu davout check out new trilema paid content mechanism :D [09:50]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [-] [10:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.004 = 0.2 BTC [-] [10:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11912 @ 0.00084053 = 10.0124 BTC [+] [10:05]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.46 = 2.76 BTC [-] [10:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46 = 0.92 BTC [-] [10:52]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 438 @ 0.00084132 = 0.3685 BTC [+] [11:20]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 69 @ 0.00410001 = 0.2829 BTC [+] [11:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 203 @ 0.0041028 = 0.8329 BTC [+] {2} [11:41]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00428 = 0.2525 BTC [-] [11:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0042999 = 0.129 BTC [+] [11:59]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46 = 0.92 BTC [-] [12:29]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.48816361 = 5.3698 BTC [+] {5} [13:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.50479999 = 3.0288 BTC [+] {3} [13:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 134 @ 0.00429977 = 0.5762 BTC [+] {3} [13:05]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.033 = 0.165 BTC [-] [13:15]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.0600103 = 0.24 BTC [-] {3} [13:41]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00084003 = 3.0241 BTC [-] {2} [13:54]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.18356049 = 0.5507 BTC [+] [14:00]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00433 = 0.1949 BTC [-] [14:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4529 @ 0.00084441 = 3.8243 BTC [+] {2} [14:36]
deadweasel ;ticker [14:39]
deadweasel ;;ticker [14:39]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 467.0, Best ask: 469.995, Bid-ask spread: 2.99500, Last trade: 470.0, 24 hour volume: 92855.34179932, 24 hour low: 453.29, 24 hour high: 748.0, 24 hour vwap: 581.30454 [14:39]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.033 = 0.198 BTC [-] [14:42]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49999999 = 1 BTC [-] [14:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49999999 = 1 BTC [-] [14:50]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49999999 = 1 BTC [-] [14:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 128 @ 0.00104889 = 0.1343 BTC [+] {2} [14:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49999999 = 1 BTC [-] [14:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.55486000 BTC to 1`109`720 shares, 50 satoshi per share [15:00]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00410101 = 0.4306 BTC [-] [15:13]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.004101 = 0.1845 BTC [-] [15:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00439999 = 0.1452 BTC [+] [15:27]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.0045001 = 0.315 BTC [+] [15:30]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339617.msg3643164#msg3643164 [15:32]
ozbot Gambling script PM: beware [15:32]
mircea_popescu this is pretty lulzy [15:32]
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dexX7 lol [15:39]
dexX7 do you have the link to the file? [15:39]
mircea_popescu i could ask the girl for it but i'd rather not spread the stuff. [15:39]
mircea_popescu pm her on the forum asking. [15:39]
dexX7 k [15:40]
mircea_popescu also in the news : [15:41]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=330633.0;all [15:41]
ozbot Please remove Chaang Noi (Goat) or BadBear from default trust list [15:41]
mircea_popescu theymos now adding known scammers to the default trust list. [15:41]
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mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339849.0 moar coinbase scammery [15:42]
ozbot COINBASE RIPPED ME OFF $50k. *WARNING WARNING WARNING* [15:42]
mircea_popescu the forum is a riot. [15:42]
mircea_popescu Ukto you seen https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337523.0;all ? [15:43]
kleeck ^ That pisses me off a bit. [15:43]
kleeck Having helped Ukto out, and knowing he is trying to return Bitcoin. [15:44]
kleeck Or rather, he IS returning Bitcoin. [15:44]
mircea_popescu how long ago did the thing close ? coupla weeks ? a month ? [15:44]
kleeck It still isn't closed. [15:44]
kleeck Bitfunder closes on Dec 4th, i think. [15:44]
mircea_popescu yeah but i mean the announcement [15:44]
kleeck The announcement was Nov 4th. [15:45]
Ukto Iam trying to work on things. [15:45]
kleeck There is no question that it's taking a long time, but that doesn't mean he is running with the money. [15:45]
mircea_popescu teh ppl are getting antsy i guess. [15:45]
Ukto sometime there are external forces that effect things [15:45]
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dexX7 such as? [15:46]
mircea_popescu well, likely what happened is they wanted to sell [15:46]
kleeck for sure. [15:46]
mircea_popescu now that the price bottomed out they're pissy. [15:46]
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mircea_popescu typical commercial dispute. [15:46]
mircea_popescu also in the news, [15:46]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/612/asianslave4sales-ipo/ [15:46]
ozbot BitBet - AsianSlave4sales IPO [15:46]
kleeck wtf [15:47]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [15:47]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 529.79001, Best ask: 529.96165, Bid-ask spread: 0.17164, Last trade: 528.80179, 24 hour volume: 85103.40590359, 24 hour low: 453.29, 24 hour high: 748.0, 24 hour vwap: 576.02458 [15:47]
kleeck mircea_popescu, what is the story behind that one? [15:47]
mircea_popescu jesus god the past coupla days i "lost" like a quarter billion dollars off my net worth! [15:48]
kleeck :( [15:48]
mircea_popescu woe is me! [15:48]
kleeck hah [15:48]
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mircea_popescu i will never be able to care about losing anything ever again ;/ [15:48]
kleeck Should've sold! [15:48]
mircea_popescu i sold a little. [15:49]
mircea_popescu we all did. gotta bring things to sanity somehow. [15:49]
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dexX7 in the context that you called yourself "the real and only regulating force of bitcoin" (or so) this statement is actually somewhat scarry :p [15:51]
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mircea_popescu whyssat ? [15:52]
thestringpuller actually I'd say the mining pool overseers have more regulatory power [15:53]
thestringpuller they determine what code is actually enforced [15:53]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is a fine balance of many things [15:54]
mircea_popescu as it should be. [15:54]
thestringpuller ideally the free market determines the overall regulatory force [15:56]
thestringpuller but mircea_popescu has once said, "too soon to tell" [15:56]
mircea_popescu it's never too soon to be scared tho :D [15:56]
thestringpuller nigga I iz from detroit, I got real problems [15:57]
thestringpuller (jk) [15:57]
mircea_popescu how's detroit [15:57]
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thestringpuller Detroit is actually the best place to start a business for people like yourself tbh. [15:58]
thestringpuller The governement's law enforcement has limited bounds due to the rampant criminal activity. [15:58]
thestringpuller So it's like Anarchy there in some spots. [15:59]
mircea_popescu i don't know the people, nor do i care to meet them. [15:59]
thestringpuller buy an old house for like 10 g's [15:59]
thestringpuller turn it into a fortress [15:59]
thestringpuller make it a data center [15:59]
thestringpuller you don't even wanna meet Eminem? [16:00]
mircea_popescu eminem isn't even near the top of the list. [16:00]
thestringpuller what rapper would you want to meet? [16:01]
mircea_popescu any rapper that's a teenage girl with nice hooters and doesn't take her rapping self too seriously. [16:01]
thestringpuller nikki minaj circa 2009 [16:02]
thestringpuller very controversial stance tho! [16:02]
mircea_popescu i [16:02]
mircea_popescu 'm not that fixated on the teenage part either. [16:02]
mircea_popescu whose stance, her or mine ? [16:03]
thestringpuller yours [16:04]
mircea_popescu http://cdn.collarme.com/photos/1936083.jpg [16:04]
mircea_popescu have a plushie. [16:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.4600016 = 4.6 BTC [-] {4} [16:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 128 @ 0.00410076 = 0.5249 BTC [-] {3} [16:04]
thestringpuller that photo looks like it was taken when hugh hefner didn't have wrinkles... [16:04]
mircea_popescu so like 2009. [16:05]
thestringpuller lol [16:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.4535 = 2.721 BTC [-] {4} [16:06]
thestringpuller so how goes the ludwig von mises reading? [16:06]
thestringpuller you'd probably like murray rothbard too [16:06]
mircea_popescu i managed to get about halfway his first chapter producing like 11 articles in the process [16:06]
mircea_popescu in the end i will probably write a million words on that book [16:07]
mircea_popescu if i ever manage to complete it [16:07]
mircea_popescu ahaha reddit is so funny. so first, [16:08]
mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1r1gu5/starbucks_to_make_announcement_regarding_bitcoin/ [16:08]
ozbot Starbucks to make announcement regarding Bitcoin by/around Thanksgiving : Bitcoin [16:08]
mircea_popescu the bet is here : http://bitbet.us/bet/614/starbucks-to-announce-bitcoin-acceptance-on-thanksgiving/ [16:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.4485 = 3.588 BTC [-] {4} [16:08]
mircea_popescu 207 reddit comments = 0.002 btc zeroconf, or 2% of what bitbet puts in on the house. [16:08]
thestringpuller wait they are using reddit to bet? [16:09]
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thestringpuller on this guise prediction? [16:09]
mircea_popescu my guess would be this is accurate : every 100k reddit comments = 1 btc [16:09]
ystarnaud reddit... lol [16:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.434 = 2.17 BTC [-] {3} [16:09]
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thestringpuller we should make a bitbet on it [16:10]
mircea_popescu but at least they did figure out what to do and everything [16:10]
mircea_popescu so props to them [16:10]
mircea_popescu and since we're on the topic of bets : [16:11]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/567/simona-halep-to-win-roland-garros/ [16:11]
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ozbot BitBet - Simona Halep to win Roland Garros [16:11]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/566/simona-halep-to-show-at-au-open/ [16:11]
ozbot BitBet - Simona Halep to show at AU Open [16:11]
thestringpuller http://bitbet.us/bet/614/starbucks-to-announce-bitcoin-acceptance-on-thanksgiving/ - ahh there it is [16:12]
mircea_popescu the odds on those should be pretty good seeing how i went deep on the yes side out of patriotism [16:12]
thestringpuller so mircea_popescu would you say your weakness is a solid femme fatale? [16:12]
thestringpuller film noir style [16:12]
mircea_popescu nah. i get along great with those [16:13]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu is brock samson [16:14]
mircea_popescu the femme fatale is the weakness of sexually insecure, latently gay heroes as constructed for the sexualyl insecure, latently gay us public cca 1950 [16:14]
mircea_popescu fucking difficult to be threatened by one once you've had threesomes with her sister. [16:14]
thestringpuller not if they trynna con you [16:14]
mircea_popescu now why would they do that ? [16:15]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.42000001 = 1.68 BTC [-] {3} [16:16]
thestringpuller Who knows, maybe because you fucked their sister when you said you'd love only them forever and ever. [16:16]
mircea_popescu i never say that. [16:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.40138484 = 13.2457 BTC [-] {5} [16:17]
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thestringpuller i know, I was being sarcastic. I like your commentary on the insecure latently gay hero [16:18]
thestringpuller reminds of Hitchcock's _Rope_ [16:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.39883 = 3.9883 BTC [-] {4} [16:18]
thestringpuller since many critics say the "heroes" of that movie were latently gay for one another [16:19]
mircea_popescu i don't even remember if i saw that one [16:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 197 @ 0.00401556 = 0.7911 BTC [-] {6} [16:21]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.3637068 = 9.0927 BTC [-] {11} [16:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 613 @ 0.00372514 = 2.2835 BTC [-] {12} [16:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00083853 = 1.7609 BTC [-] [16:27]
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benkay ;;ticket --market all [16:33]
gribble Error: "ticket" is not a valid command. [16:33]
benkay ;;ticker --market all [16:33]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD last: 560.0, vol: 85614.29529543 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 499.999, vol: 65844.95948 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 573.0, vol: 14492.17096987 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 687.019368, vol: 93626.87100000 | Volume-weighted last average: 591.320264032 [16:33]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.35122 = 3.5122 BTC [-] {3} [16:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 96 @ 0.00331465 = 0.3182 BTC [-] {7} [16:44]
mircea_popescu ;;thicket [16:45]
gribble Error: "thicket" is not a valid command. [16:45]
benkay .bush [16:48]
benkay ;;shrubbery [16:48]
gribble Error: "shrubbery" is not a valid command. [16:48]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/the-reason-you-cant-have-nice-numbers-and-other-considerations/ [16:50]
ozbot The reason you can’t have nice numbers and other considerations. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Po [16:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 5010 @ 0.00105487 = 5.2849 BTC [+] {9} [16:51]
mircea_popescu more stuff about the cardano. basically we're spending an inordinate ammount of time on the rng side of things. [16:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.13100005 = 0.262 BTC [-] [16:53]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: people spend billions of dollars on RNG for pure research, so I mean, is that really all that surprising? [16:55]
mircea_popescu nope. [16:55]
mircea_popescu it's where crypto implementations live or die. [16:55]
thestringpuller yup [16:55]
thestringpuller http://www.arc.gatech.edu/ - did work with them, they get couple hundred mil each year just for crypto stuff [16:56]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1010 @ 0.0019098 = 1.9289 BTC [+] {6} [16:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00199999 = 0.18 BTC [+] [16:58]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 176 @ 0.00334203 = 0.5882 BTC [+] {3} [17:02]
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benkay http://www.flickr.com/photos/cellularsolutionsneltd/with/4595275722 [17:02]
ozbot Flickr: Cellular Solutions NE Ltd's Photostream [17:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.39999999 = 0.8 BTC [+] [17:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 752 @ 0.0038 = 2.8576 BTC [+] [17:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.39999999 = 0.8 BTC [+] [17:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 986 @ 0.00199999 = 1.972 BTC [+] {4} [17:08]
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thestringpuller http://www.buzzfeed.com/mariahsummers/the-16-most-important-bitcoinaires fucking Winklevii [17:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.37001 = 1.48 BTC [-] [17:16]
mircea_popescu "here's a list of 16 entities that'd love to be important in bitcoin" [17:18]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.03110666 = 0.1555 BTC [-] {3} [17:24]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.0033 = 0.1518 BTC [-] [17:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 83 @ 0.00320638 = 0.2661 BTC [-] {4} [17:28]
nubbins` morning, fellow adventurers [17:33]
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mircea_popescu http://blogsofwar.com/2013/11/11/interview-hacker-opsec-with-the-grugq/ [17:39]
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mircea_popescu not so bad. [17:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.35796363 = 3.9376 BTC [-] {4} [17:41]
mircea_popescu mostly for the The hackers are hopelessly outclassed at this game. Hell, the majority of them don’t even know that they’re playing! [17:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.37 = 1.11 BTC [+] [17:44]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3709 @ 0.00084517 = 3.1347 BTC [+] [17:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.15200001 BTC [-] [18:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3875 BTC [+] [18:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 101 @ 0.00341 = 0.3444 BTC [+] {2} [18:06]
nubbins` Expecting the tools to provide security for you is like buying a set of weights and then sitting around waiting for your fitness to improve. [18:07]
nubbins` hear,, hear! [18:07]
mircea_popescu or like getting a coupla bombshells to follow you around and expecting this'll make you seem all cool and shit. [18:08]
mircea_popescu o, wait... [18:08]
thestringpuller ... [18:09]
kleeck Wow. [18:09]
thestringpuller i think bombshells following you is a clear indication you are as cool as Bender Rodriguez [18:09]
kleeck ANyone following this Havelock IPO? [18:09]
kleeck I know ThickAsThieves is. [18:09]
ThickAsThieves i follow all things [18:09]
mircea_popescu ;;google Bender Rodriguez [18:10]
gribble Bender (Futurama) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Bender Bending Rodríguez - Futurama Wiki, the Futurama database: ; Bender Bending Rodriguez - The Infosphere, the Futurama Wiki: [18:10]
kleeck What do you think? [18:10]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller is the guy i learn names from. [18:10]
kleeck The price just seems completely outrageous. [18:10]
mircea_popescu kleeck everyone imagines they're worth like, a shitton. [18:10]
kleeck I know! I'm worth at least 20 Billion! [18:10]
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kleeck The defense is that "we don't measure BTC in FIAT" which I get, sure - but that is one way to quantify value against a fluctuating Bitcoin. [18:11]
ThickAsThieves I think they have not appropriately valuated or structured their offering, all factors considered. [18:11]
kleeck I agree. [18:12]
mircea_popescu well... experience helps with that. [18:12]
mircea_popescu and that helps with experience. [18:12]
ThickAsThieves I also think disregarding fiat-influence is one of the core areas of ignorance for harming investors [18:13]
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asciilifeform http://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Security_Issue/en [18:13]
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ThickAsThieves this is finance after all, how can you not factor translated values [18:14]
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mircea_popescu it's a complicated problem. [18:14]
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mircea_popescu whoa [18:15]
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mircea_popescu they lost the payment details and everything else ? [18:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.0037 = 0.3145 BTC [+] [18:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.389 BTC [+] [18:15]
asciilifeform better. joker patched sshd [18:15]
asciilifeform http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/15/stealthy_linux_backdoor/ [18:16]
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asciilifeform (in RAM.) [18:17]
mircea_popescu this is some prime rib right here. [18:18]
asciilifeform http://www.symantec.com/connect/blogs/linux-back-door-uses-covert-communication-protocol [18:18]
ozbot Linux Back Door Uses Covert Communication Protocol | Symantec Connect Community [18:18]
asciilifeform i'd say the newsmen are hyping up the novelty a bit [18:18]
asciilifeform people have been doing this kind of thing for ages. [18:19]
mircea_popescu notto hetzner. [18:19]
asciilifeform once the chump is rooted, you can do a million different things. [18:19]
asciilifeform difference with 'cloud hosting' is that it's more like bird hunting than deer [18:19]
asciilifeform one shot, many carcasses. [18:20]
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pascal2571 [WTS] 3537 ADDICTION direct shares - Message me with your offer [18:25]
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mircea_popescu pascal2571 you know gribble has a market thing ? [18:26]
asciilifeform gotta love how hetzner advices gdb attach for the 'amirooted?' test [18:26]
asciilifeform as if joker can't patch gdb [18:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you download a fresh copy [18:26]
mircea_popescu from hetzner. [18:26]
pascal2571 I did not know that [18:27]
mircea_popescu let's see here [18:27]
mircea_popescu ;;buy 1 pascal2571 [18:27]
gribble (buy [--long] [at|@] []) -- Logs a buy order for units of , at a price of per unit, in units of . Use the optional field to put in any special notes. may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, (1 more message) [18:27]
mircea_popescu http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php [18:27]
mircea_popescu it logs everything there, and it's accessible anywhere gribble goes. [18:27]
altoz ;;asks 0 [18:31]
gribble There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 0.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0015 seconds [18:31]
altoz ;;asks 99999999 [18:31]
gribble There are currently 29698.058 bitcoins offered at or under 99999999.0 USD, worth 148418672.73 USD in total. | Data vintage: 4.9472 seconds [18:31]
altoz ;;bids 0 [18:31]
gribble There are currently 16365090 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 27068826.9028 USD in total. | Data vintage: 8.4697 seconds [18:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 163 @ 0.0010559 = 0.1721 BTC [-] [18:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00199999 = 0.2 BTC [+] [18:31]
asciilifeform download a fresh copy, right. patched on the fly. ken thompson. [18:34]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 128 @ 0.00104611 = 0.1339 BTC [-] {2} [18:34]
mircea_popescu my sarcasm! [18:34]
asciilifeform gonna be fun when people actually start to give a damn about pubkey distribution. [18:35]
asciilifeform wonder how much executable code going cleartext over the wire gets to the other end unmolested. [18:35]
mircea_popescu but code wants to be molested. [18:36]
mircea_popescu tits want to be free [18:36]
asciilifeform i won't be surprised to live to see billboards and newspaper ads with rsa pubkeys. [18:36]
asciilifeform 'diddle this.' [18:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 110 @ 0.0010461 = 0.1151 BTC [-] {3} [18:36]
mircea_popescu i was actually thinking, a pretty decent way to run an underground site would be, have everyone register their ip to a pubkey [18:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 112 @ 0.00104604 = 0.1172 BTC [-] {4} [18:37]
mircea_popescu then add a layer to turn the html into crypted text to keys by ips [18:38]
mircea_popescu spooks can spook it till they get bored. [18:38]
asciilifeform makes repudiation a bit hard. and most lusers have dynamic ip. [18:38]
mircea_popescu no, makes repudiation very easy [18:39]
mircea_popescu "so your honor, he claims the site send him this html, to his own key ? well... how can we verify this has anything to do with anything besides his overactive imagination ?" [18:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 289 @ 0.00104601 = 0.3023 BTC [-] {3} [18:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1540 @ 0.001046 = 1.6108 BTC [-] {2} [18:41]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [+] [18:58]
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altoz ;; asks [18:59]
gribble (asks [--over] ) -- Calculate the amount of bitcoins for sale at or under . If '--over' option is given, find coins or at or over . [18:59]
altoz ;; asks 9999999 [18:59]
gribble There are currently 29747.899 bitcoins offered at or under 9999999.0 USD, worth 100746835.565 USD in total. | Data vintage: 106.4467 seconds [18:59]
altoz ;;bids 0 [19:00]
gribble There are currently 16367028 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 27433795.2254 USD in total. | Data vintage: 113.4125 seconds [19:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 30840 @ 0.0005 = 15.42 BTC {9} [19:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 31076 @ 0.0005 = 15.538 BTC {18} [19:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 27057 @ 0.0005 = 13.5285 BTC {11} [19:03]
mircea_popescu Is it customary for a multi-million dollar registered business to withhold information such as the names of its owners/directors? Can we at least get a link to your Facebook page or YouTube account? [19:04]
mircea_popescu The only info provided is a phone number resolving in Minnesota, USA. Is this also typical for Panamanian corporations? [19:04]
mircea_popescu dude crumbs is a heavy hitter in the forum nao ? [19:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 7280 @ 0.0005 = 3.64 BTC {12} [19:04]
nubbins` heh [19:04]
nubbins` "it's the internet, names are for meatspace!" [19:05]
mircea_popescu herp. [19:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4062 @ 0.0005 = 2.031 BTC {8} [19:05]
pascal2571 I'm wondering how they came up with an evaluation of 10k BTC [19:06]
pankkake weird, it's not selling out in 5 mins! [19:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3673 @ 0.0005 = 1.8365 BTC {7} [19:06]
mircea_popescu wasn't it 100k ? [19:06]
mircea_popescu it was 20% for 5k neh ? [19:06]
pascal2571 ah right, I multiplied by the "discounted" share price [19:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 164 @ 0.00105592 = 0.1732 BTC [+] {4} [19:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3010 @ 0.0005 = 1.505 BTC {4} [19:07]
nubbins` oh, that's today, isn't it? [19:07]
mircea_popescu discounted share price ?! [19:07]
pankkake I thought the « half price » woudl attrack more. some sort of black friday nonsense [19:07]
pankkake attract [19:07]
pankkake it's half price, must buy! [19:08]
mircea_popescu jesus the glbse idiocy just won't die already. [19:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 140 @ 0.00105599 = 0.1478 BTC [+] {3} [19:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3300 @ 0.0005 = 1.65 BTC {5} [19:08]
nubbins` part of me suspects this is going towards covering costs from the havelock mining fund [19:08]
mircea_popescu i have never seen nonsense so resilient as the stuff nefario pioneered. [19:08]
nubbins` which can't be making money [19:08]
mircea_popescu why would you need to cover costs ? it's a fund. you report the loss. [19:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 303 @ 0.0005 = 0.1515 BTC {4} [19:09]
topace nubbins`: this has 0 to do with the mining fund [19:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 12410 @ 0.0005 = 6.205 BTC {5} [19:10]
topace ZERO [19:10]
topace mining fund operates completely independently [19:10]
nubbins` yipes! good morning 8) [19:10]
topace and generated over $60,000 equivalent in fiat last month [19:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 14245 @ 0.0005 = 7.1225 BTC {8} [19:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00084587 = 15.2257 BTC [+] {3} [19:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [-] [19:11]
pascal2571 folks are actually buying that crap [19:11]
mircea_popescu topace what's the hash behind it atm ? [19:11]
topace just under 3TH [19:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 11361 @ 0.0005 = 5.6805 BTC {6} [19:12]
mircea_popescu what was that command again [19:12]
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mircea_popescu ;;genrate 2950 [19:13]
gribble The expected generation output, at 2950.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 609482679.888, is 0.00243415321292 BTC per day and 0.000101423050538 BTC per hour. [19:13]
mircea_popescu ;;genrate 2950000 [19:13]
gribble The expected generation output, at 2950000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 609482679.888, is 2.43415321292 BTC per day and 0.101423050538 BTC per hour. [19:13]
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nubbins` what's today's fiat equivalent of the money you paid for the hardware? [19:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1640 @ 0.0005 = 0.82 BTC {3} [19:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [-] [19:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30723 @ 0.00084722 = 26.0291 BTC [+] {3} [19:14]
topace doesnt matter, the fund didnt pay for the equipment until it was physically delivered and mining [19:14]
mircea_popescu o i remember this thing, it was originally waiting for deliveries for a while. [19:15]
mircea_popescu that was a better than average move. [19:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19277 @ 0.0008501 = 16.3874 BTC [+] {2} [19:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 997 @ 0.0005 = 0.4985 BTC {4} [19:15]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 30002 @ 0.0005 = 15.001 BTC {2} [19:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5186 @ 0.0005 = 2.593 BTC {3} [19:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1746 @ 0.0005 = 0.873 BTC {4} [19:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1016 @ 0.0005 = 0.508 BTC {3} [19:19]
topace considering the mining fund started with an initial investment of less than $10,000 in fiat, and is now at 3TH with no further outside investment, i think its doing pretty well [19:20]
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mircea_popescu this fiat approach is tricky. [19:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 30124 @ 0.0005 = 15.062 BTC {5} [19:20]
nubbins` nod [19:21]
topace would the pre-order investors been better off buying bitcoins instead of buying pre-orders for the mining fund? definitely. [19:21]
mircea_popescu well then. [19:21]
kakobrekla fiat is shit. buy a volkswagen. [19:21]
topace but the pre-order investors existed so the fund didnt have to spend bitcoins until mining equipment arrived [19:22]
topace so for hte fund, it was a definite win [19:22]
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mircea_popescu just for kako : http://www.pedalpumpinggirls.com/vw_beetle_bug_girl_cranking_pedal_pumping_003.jpg [19:23]
nubbins` how about for the investors? ;) [19:23]
topace by "the fund" i mena "the funds investors" [19:23]
kakobrekla pedal pumping girls lolwtf [19:23]
nubbins` now i'm just teasing [19:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1868 @ 0.00007503 = 0.1402 BTC [-] [19:23]
kakobrekla also, i accept. [19:23]
nubbins` but i'd be more interested in the BTC-denominated revenue and initial investment than the fiat equivalents [19:23]
topace nubbins`: its all in the financial statements [19:24]
topace available to the public [19:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4014 @ 0.0005 = 2.007 BTC {6} [19:24]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2008 @ 0.0005 = 1.004 BTC {3} [19:25]
mircea_popescu and i guess one for thestringpuller too : http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2012-01-08/1325903458564.jpg [19:25]
mircea_popescu detroit now has a beach. [19:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 13248 @ 0.0005 = 6.624 BTC {6} [19:26]
Rawted anyone need a btc-e code? looking for paypal, and for some reason im not receiving the withdraw notices from btc-e and my ticket has been unanswered for 11 days. [19:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4025 @ 0.0005 = 2.0125 BTC {2} [19:27]
mircea_popescu well the price has been moving so... [19:27]
nubbins` topace: for mining equipment listed under assets, does the value for each quarter correspond to the resale value, purchase price, or..? [19:29]
Rawted yeah, i hear you. been fighting this battle with them for months [19:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 20000 @ 0.0005 = 10 BTC [19:29]
topace resale value [19:29]
topace or, for most of the fpga's trade-in value [19:30]
nubbins` ok, was just wondering how you arrived at 20 btc for AM blades [19:30]
topace the computers/gpu's were essentially depreciated to 0 [19:30]
mircea_popescu how do you calculate market value for mining gear anyway / [19:30]
mircea_popescu there isn't much of a 2ndary market gouing or is there ? [19:31]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: multiply by 0 [19:31]
nubbins` topace: i dunno, maybe i'm looking at this wrong, but i just see a fund steadily hemorrhaging money [19:31]
topace nubbins`: what quarterly report you lookin at? [19:31]
nubbins` Q2 2013 [19:31]
nubbins` most recent one available [19:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 9045 @ 0.0005 = 4.5225 BTC {4} [19:31]
mircea_popescu q3 ended neh ? [19:32]
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nubbins` https://www.havelockinvestments.com/reportdownload.php?id=11 [19:32]
nubbins` mp, yes [19:32]
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nubbins` almost 2 months ago [19:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10007 @ 0.0005 = 5.0035 BTC {2} [19:32]
mircea_popescu with the diff going the way it's been, any miner out there has been bleeding money. [19:32]
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mircea_popescu course that's mostly since august or so. [19:33]
topace q3 is being worked on and should be up by the end of the week [19:33]
topace we've been rather busy the past few months [19:33]
jefito mircea_popescu [19:33]
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nubbins` well yes, hence my assertation that HMF can't be making money [19:33]
jcpham ;;ident [19:33]
gribble You are identified as user jcpham, with GPG key id C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, key fingerprint F7299BD73879E866613EAB24C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, and bitcoin address 15MDLP4wazp4TP2Josmk1WiZRU5LhFvBCn [19:33]
mircea_popescu jcpham what, you're thje one miner hitting the green ? [19:33]
jcpham am i going to get that 30 btc rota pay next month [19:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1153 @ 0.0005 = 0.5765 BTC {4} [19:33]
jcpham i need to know now [19:33]
topace nubbins`: the 20btc was based on resale value/exchange rate at the time [19:33]
jcpham I'm trying to make some decisions [19:34]
nubbins` fiat value aside, i see 1200 BTC lost in 6 months [19:34]
jcpham we can discuss privately [19:34]
jcpham but i forgot and now remembered [19:34]
mircea_popescu jcpham i ain't making any forward looking statements. [19:34]
topace not lost, spent growing the fund (And paying dividends) [19:34]
jcpham understood [19:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2219 @ 0.0005 = 1.1095 BTC {6} [19:34]
mircea_popescu mostly to mess with you. [19:35]
jcpham i'm going to take that as a no for now so i can do what i need to do [19:35]
jcpham no this is fine [19:35]
jcpham miners bleeding for sure [19:35]
topace nubbins`: we have 3TH of equipment, fully paid off, and 0 debts [19:35]
mircea_popescu so what's the resale value of 3th atm ? [19:36]
mircea_popescu i presume mostly asics ? friedcat's or what ? [19:36]
topace BFL [19:36]
topace mostly [19:36]
topace and KNC [19:36]
jcpham 3th isn't much [19:36]
mircea_popescu jcpham well it makes 50-60 btc a month even now. [19:36]
pascal2571 1st Q 12 Volume ~ ฿180,000 [19:36]
pascal2571 whats that 12 supposed to mean? [19:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 64341 @ 0.0005 = 32.1705 BTC {2} [19:36]
mircea_popescu 2012 i imagine [19:37]
mircea_popescu what's 3th, something like 2.5kwh ? [19:37]
pascal2571 that would mean havelock had 180kBTC in volume in 1st Q 2012? [19:37]
jcpham wow it does generate that much [19:37]
nubbins` topace: 1600 BTC and 0 TH/s < 400 BTC and 3 TH/s? [19:37]
topace pascal2571: thats in the HIF prospectus? i think thats the estimation for 2014 [19:37]
nubbins` i know which one i'd pick [19:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 44740 @ 0.0005 = 22.37 BTC {4} [19:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.0008404 = 2.9834 BTC [-] [19:37]
topace i think that 12 is wrong, it should be 2014 [19:38]
mircea_popescu you have a 180k estimate for 2014 ?! [19:38]
pascal2571 wow [19:38]
pascal2571 nono [19:38]
topace _STOP_ [19:38]
pascal2571 just for Q1 [19:38]
topace dont confuse the mining fund [19:38]
mircea_popescu that's the funniest thing i heard all day, by 2014 volumes in 10s of btcs will be something to write home about [19:38]
topace with the havelock exchange [19:38]
nubbins` hahaha [19:38]
topace HIF != HMF [19:38]
mircea_popescu even now 90%+ of the coinbase is hauled up in matresses. [19:38]
nubbins` yes, we're discussing how HMF lost 1200 BTC but gained a 3 TH/s farm [19:39]
nubbins` not what HIF is up to ;) [19:39]
topace pascal2571 is talking HIF [19:39]
mircea_popescu o i c. [19:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1751 @ 0.0005 = 0.8755 BTC {2} [19:39]
mircea_popescu not that it makes any diff. 180k isn't happening in 2014. i'd rather believe $1mn bitcoins. [19:40]
topace thats tradinv volume estiamte [19:41]
topace not profit estiamte [19:41]
ThickAsThieves its not possible [19:41]
mircea_popescu i didn't think it was a profit estimate, no 0.0 [19:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 580 @ 0.0005 = 0.29 BTC {3} [19:42]
jcpham has ukyo flwon the coup [19:42]
ThickAsThieves youre talking about a major increase in the amount of coins people are investing and trading in this market [19:42]
mircea_popescu jcpham naw we were chatting earlier. [19:42]
ThickAsThieves this would require oceans of new coins to be poured into upcoming offerings [19:43]
topace yes [19:43]
nubbins` ThickAsThieves: 8x current quarterly vol [19:43]
topace we're currently doing ~2000BTC/7d, which is ~24000 BTC/quarter [19:43]
topace and thats with the current, stagnant funds [19:43]
topace 50+ funds are in the pipeline [19:43]
topace and more contacting us every day [19:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2018 @ 0.0005 = 1.009 BTC {2} [19:44]
topace whether the MARKET can handle that is another story [19:44]
ThickAsThieves what about investors? [19:44]
nubbins` lel [19:44]
mircea_popescu you're looking at the wrong end basically. [19:44]
topace but there's demand out there for the listings [19:44]
ThickAsThieves where do all the new coins come from [19:44]
nubbins` whether the market can handle it is, in fact, the same story [19:44]
topace i agree, we'll need to see a large influx of new investors [19:44]
mircea_popescu nah, fluency is a major problem in bitcoin, and will aggravate. in 2012 about 50% of coins mined were in circulation. [19:44]
mircea_popescu today maybe 10% are in circulation. [19:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC [19:45]
mircea_popescu by next year 1% is quite on the table. [19:45]
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ThickAsThieves so your volume isnt likely to increase 8x in the face of deflation [19:45]
mircea_popescu this isn't even deflation, it's a scourge yet unnamed. [19:46]
mircea_popescu defluence. [19:46]
ThickAsThieves you cant have tons of new investor coins, without tons of new uptake [19:46]
mircea_popescu whatever. [19:46]
ThickAsThieves the math aint gon jive [19:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2520 @ 0.00008199 = 0.2066 BTC [+] {2} [19:47]
asciilifeform re: the folks sitting on heaps of obsolete fpga: why hasn't even one started an altcoin with a diddled workfunction [19:47]
asciilifeform and raked in the cash [19:47]
topace all im saying is that, 180,000 volume i dont think is out of the ballpark, if we're currently doing 24000 volume with stagnant funds and having put all new listings on hold for 2+ months. [19:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 50211 @ 0.0005 = 25.1055 BTC {3} [19:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform they suck up a lot of electricity, and the altcoins have a pretty soiled rep. [19:48]
mircea_popescu topace you're talking as if funds are chinese food. [19:48]
nubbins` well, i don't think 8x volume is gonna come out of the woodwork just because there's a glut of questionable funds tossed into the sidebar [19:48]
ThickAsThieves topace we know what youre saying, but there remains a gap [19:48]
nubbins` it's not like these coins are out there sitting around waiting for a bad investment opportunity [19:48]
asciilifeform trick is to devise an alt where the ideal miner is actually a full fpga. [19:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 52293 @ 0.0005 = 26.1465 BTC {5} [19:49]
asciilifeform e.g. turingcoin [19:49]
mircea_popescu quoth very frustrated bitbet mod : "i will not be the least bit surprised if i find the motherfucking penis length and girth of all players in this pile of non-stats befoar i find which freaking games they won." [19:49]
topace 180,000 isnt _new coins_ coming in, its trading volume [19:49]
topace you could do 180,000 volume on just a few thousand coins in a month [19:49]
nubbins` you could do it on one coin, sure [19:49]
ThickAsThieves hehe [19:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform might be an idea, maybe. [19:49]
topace hehe [19:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2960 @ 0.0005 = 1.48 BTC [19:50]
nubbins` just like all the notes you need for any bob dylan song are all on a single guitar string [19:50]
ThickAsThieves obv you need new money for new volume, cmon [19:50]
nubbins` and yet you still see people playing with 6! [19:50]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i've no incentive to do this, but the folks presently stoking their furnaces with old fpgas - do. [19:50]
topace ThickAsThieves: yes definitely need new money. but not the volume estimate equivalent [19:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4416 @ 0.00007502 = 0.3313 BTC [-] {3} [19:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 30001 @ 0.0005 = 15.0005 BTC {2} [19:51]
Ademan agamemnon23 alecpap alex_c andrew12 AndrewJackson Anduck Apocalyptic arij asciilifeform assbot Azelphur [19:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform your question just got answered ? [19:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10520 @ 0.0005 = 5.26 BTC {4} [19:52]
nubbins` i'd say the average per-person trade volume decreases steadily as the value of btc rises [19:52]
mircea_popescu nubbins` doing it on one coin didn't work out for burnside too well. [19:52]
nubbins` it sounds like a major uphill battle to increase trade volume [19:52]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: leel [19:52]
nubbins` he's not thinking of closing up shop, is he? ;D [19:52]
pankkake asciilifeform: I think no one would buy this coin, so no economic incentive. altcoins work because 15 year old gamers can mine them in their moms basements [19:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 242 @ 0.0035082 = 0.849 BTC [-] {7} [19:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 257 @ 0.00104684 = 0.269 BTC [-] {5} [19:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1094 @ 0.0005 = 0.547 BTC {3} [19:53]
asciilifeform pankkake: the basic idea of altcoin isn't stupid; only the idea of 'btc with serial num filed off' is. [19:53]
nubbins` pankkake: i thought altcoins worked because there's no second-hand market for fried GPUs and you can't very well just let them sit around unused [19:53]
asciilifeform an alt could conceivably provide added value, in the form of resistance to well-funded jokers baking silicon at economies of scale. [19:54]
mircea_popescu pankkake an altcoin would work well if it satisfied 3 conditions : 1. very respectable core dev team ; 2. very clear even if minor improvements over bitcoin ; 3. lattice-based or otherwise complex algo not easy to asic. [19:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 542 @ 0.00104598 = 0.5669 BTC [-] {4} [19:54]
pankkake by altcoin I meant bitcoin fork with meaningless tweaks [19:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [+] [19:54]
mircea_popescu nubbins` you got something there. gotta burn that electricity! [19:54]
pankkake well non-asic it stupid [19:54]
asciilifeform 4. (crackpot) could be wangled into carrying out useful computation (e.g. cryptoanalysis) [19:54]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: well, mom's used to paying the bill by this point, right? [19:54]
mircea_popescu cartman's mom ? [19:55]
mircea_popescu she ENJOYS paying the bill. [19:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3050 @ 0.0005 = 1.525 BTC {3} [19:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [+] [19:55]
nubbins` heh [19:55]
nubbins` well, being used to something and enjoying it aren't always the same thing [19:55]
asciilifeform i'll toss this in for anyone who didn't get a chance to laugh at it last time: picture an altcoin where the workfunction is a blank field in the protocol. [19:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1200 @ 0.0005 = 0.6 BTC {3} [19:56]
nubbins` anyway, if you could sell GPUs that have been burned out from mining for a reasonable price, you wouldn't see any of them mining altcoins [19:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you'd need a blockchain for workfunctions. [19:56]
asciilifeform sure. [19:57]
asciilifeform basically, an 'altcoin in a can' construction set. [19:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 501 @ 0.0005 = 0.2505 BTC {2} [19:57]
mircea_popescu because not enough parents have stepped on disjointed metal parts enough yet. [19:58]
mircea_popescu must make more construction sets. [19:58]
mircea_popescu imperatively. [19:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1950 @ 0.0005 = 0.975 BTC {4} [19:58]
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pascal2571 anyone interested in a bet that havelock will close down after collecting the funds of the IPO? [19:58]
mircea_popescu eh get out, what funds. [19:58]
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nubbins` heh [19:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10214 @ 0.0005 = 5.107 BTC {3} [19:59]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10603 @ 0.0005 = 5.3015 BTC {4} [20:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1500 @ 0.0005 = 0.75 BTC [20:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1095 @ 0.0005 = 0.5475 BTC {4} [20:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.126 = 0.378 BTC [+] [20:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10244 @ 0.0005 = 5.122 BTC {3} [20:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1021 @ 0.0005 = 0.5105 BTC {2} [20:05]
pascal2571 I'm wondering, when will the trading on HIF begin? after the first IPO block or once the whole IPO finishes? [20:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.39266666 = 11.78 BTC [+] {3} [20:07]
nubbins` guessing after the whole thing [20:07]
mircea_popescu o, you can't trade it atm ? [20:07]
nubbins` only buy ipo [20:08]
topace nubbins`: probably after the first block, but i'll confirm that for you [20:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 12068 @ 0.0005 = 6.034 BTC {3} [20:08]
nubbins` oh, even better [20:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.126 = 1.008 BTC [+] [20:08]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 805 @ 0.00187912 = 1.5127 BTC [-] {4} [20:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 419 @ 0.0005 = 0.2095 BTC {2} [20:10]
pascal2571 and what happens if they don't sell their crap within 30 days? [20:11]
mircea_popescu why so aggro anyway [20:11]
Rawted tradefortress has everyone worked up [20:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 11004 @ 0.0005 = 5.502 BTC {3} [20:12]
pascal2571 I'm not a fan of these totally made-up evaluations [20:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5000 @ 0.0005 = 2.5 BTC {2} [20:13]
nubbins` lel, samsung owes apple $1b fine, starts delivering it to apple hq in dump trucks full of nickels [20:13]
Rawted nubbins - story is fake, and 2 years old [20:14]
mircea_popescu ^ [20:14]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2850 @ 0.0005 = 1.425 BTC {2} [20:14]
mircea_popescu pascal2571 i guess people don't trust in the market's pricing abilities. [20:14]
mircea_popescu most everyone i talk to wants to go in a la hruschev, shoe on table, "this is how much the shares go for" [20:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1475 @ 0.0005 = 0.7375 BTC [20:15]
kakobrekla playground market surley doesnt know how to price things. [20:16]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2014 @ 0.0005 = 1.007 BTC {2} [20:16]
nubbins` Rawted: :( [20:17]
nubbins` shoulda known better, here in canada at least there are strict laws around how much you can pay w/ coins [20:17]
mircea_popescu you know, i took about 8 lbs of various coins to the bank, fully expecting them to bitch [20:18]
mircea_popescu they didn't bitch, they took them in! [20:18]
kakobrekla its what they do you know. [20:18]
mircea_popescu not in the states. [20:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10500 @ 0.0005 = 5.25 BTC {2} [20:18]
kakobrekla thats normal here. [20:18]
nubbins` the bank doesn't get to be so picky [20:18]
asciilifeform many u.s. banks now have coin machines with a funnel [20:18]
mircea_popescu well it was pleasant so. [20:18]
asciilifeform takes a bucket at a time. [20:18]
nubbins` businesses are a different story [20:18]
nubbins` you can legally refuse any amount of pennies over a few bucks [20:19]
nubbins` varies from coin to coin [20:19]
kakobrekla even the small local offices have those here. [20:19]
kakobrekla those machines. [20:19]
Rawted yeah, i bank with Chase, and they have the coin machines in every branch. no charge, works great. dump and wait. [20:19]
nubbins` even i think $1 coins top out at around $40 [20:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC [20:19]
kakobrekla thats only new to romania :p [20:19]
nubbins` i paid my house insurance with $5 bills a few months ago [20:19]
mircea_popescu it's only new to me! [20:19]
nubbins` felt GREAT [20:19]
mircea_popescu i normally don't pick up the coins [20:20]
asciilifeform phun phact: i used one of these machines, and it jammed. bank grunt went in with a putty knife, opened cabinet to reveal... mountain of dirt and leaked coins. [20:20]
mircea_popescu lmao [20:20]
kakobrekla loool [20:20]
mircea_popescu twist : the machines are operated by the bonanos [20:20]
mircea_popescu same crews that do vegas. [20:20]
nubbins` aha, here we go: [20:21]
nubbins` http://imgur.com/2xP1UTY [20:21]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [20:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 12000 @ 0.0005 = 6 BTC {2} [20:21]
nubbins` $1,100 insurance bill paid in fives [20:21]
nubbins` (they didn't have a money counting machine) [20:22]
mircea_popescu jesus what the fuck is insurance like over there. [20:22]
nubbins` well that's for a year [20:22]
mircea_popescu they introduced a mandatory ~15 dollars/year here a few years back and people werer about to riot. [20:22]
nubbins` we're talking home insurance? [20:23]
mircea_popescu yes. [20:23]
nubbins` like insurance on your house and its contents? [20:23]
nubbins` for $15 a year. [20:23]
mircea_popescu not the contents. [20:23]
mircea_popescu just the house. [20:23]
nubbins` still [20:23]
nubbins` what's a house cost [20:23]
mircea_popescu ikr? [20:23]
nubbins` $1000? [20:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.033 = 0.198 BTC [+] [20:23]
mircea_popescu depends. 20-40k for the average stuff. [20:23]
nubbins` ahhhhh [20:23]
mircea_popescu but people expect the govt to rebuild their house or give them a new one in case of natural disasters [20:23]
nubbins` oic [20:24]
asciilifeform woah [20:24]
nubbins` houses downtown here are $200k+ [20:24]
mircea_popescu which includes shit like, gas leak explosion cause old alzheimer sufferer that didn't get taken to a home and lived alone forgot the stove on [20:24]
asciilifeform even in the 'land of the phreee' we don't have this weird expectation [20:24]
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mircea_popescu (this happened recently, and the city got stuck with placing the people somewhere) [20:24]
nubbins` and they're all row houses, so fire is a very, very serious threat [20:24]
mircea_popescu there's never been a fire here. most everything is concrete prefab [20:24]
mircea_popescu i couldn't start a fire if i wanted to. [20:25]
nubbins` mostly wood here [20:25]
nubbins` my house is over 80 years old [20:25]
nubbins` people didn't have the luxury of concrete homes here 80 years ago [20:25]
asciilifeform american houses burn like matches. [20:25]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah. a major turnoff for me [20:25]
nubbins` asciilifeform: newer houses everywhere burn like matches [20:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.0005 = 0.5 BTC [20:25]
mircea_popescu all that crap plastic and cvasi wood board. [20:25]
nubbins` all the synthetics [20:25]
nubbins` yeah [20:25]
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mircea_popescu houses here mostly consist of concrete foundation + brick (or cellular concrete) [20:26]
mircea_popescu however you call it [20:26]
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nubbins` ah [20:26]
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mircea_popescu Autoclaved aerated concrete [20:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1020 @ 0.0005 = 0.51 BTC {2} [20:26]
nubbins` mostly plywood/OSB here with pine studs and concrete foundation [20:26]
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kakobrekla its where the third piggy lives. [20:26]
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nubbins` most of downtown was rebuilt after 1892 anyway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stjohns_afterthefire1892.jpg [20:27]
asciilifeform fourth piggy lives in a bunker with EMP shield. [20:27]
kakobrekla :D [20:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1504 @ 0.0005 = 0.752 BTC {3} [20:27]
mircea_popescu actually the soviet style fully concrete stuff is great for in case of nuclear bombing [20:27]
mircea_popescu you'll die like half hour later. [20:28]
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kakobrekla cause of rebars? [20:28]
pascal2571 I can't believe they already sold 50% of the first block [20:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 88 @ 0.00341 = 0.3001 BTC [-] [20:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC [20:28]
mircea_popescu i guess there'd be a little gamma from the rebars, but really, they insulate quite well. [20:28]
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nubbins` i lived in a very soviet-esque apartment block in 2nd best korea [20:29]
nubbins` new cracks in the walls every time there was a minor quake [20:29]
mircea_popescu yeah. i live in a part of romania where there never was a quake. [20:29]
mircea_popescu bucharest and generally the SE however... ouch. [20:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5038 @ 0.0005 = 2.519 BTC {4} [20:29]
nubbins` bad stuff, glad we have virtually no natural disasters here [20:30]
mircea_popescu was one so bad in the 70s about a fifth of the capital died. [20:30]
nubbins` occasional tail-end of a hurricane [20:30]
asciilifeform dc earthquake: http://cafewitteveen.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/neverforget.jpg [20:30]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform o wow, bumped their chair! [20:30]
mircea_popescu that's evil. [20:30]
asciilifeform phun phact: i was in an office tower, walked to the stairway and squeezed through a crowd of idiots waiting for... elevator. [20:31]
asciilifeform the same people who routinely step into an empty elevator shaft during real quakes. [20:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10097 @ 0.0005 = 5.0485 BTC {2} [20:31]
mircea_popescu aw [20:31]
asciilifeform splat. [20:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 157 @ 0.001879 = 0.295 BTC [-] [20:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 56218 @ 0.0005 = 28.109 BTC [20:32]
nubbins` oh hey, we pumped out a book last night [20:33]
nubbins` 5 hours from handwritten notes to first copy printed and bound [20:33]
mircea_popescu the blockchain is now > 16gb, [20:33]
mircea_popescu larger than many usb sticks out there. [20:33]
ThickAsThieves just zip it [20:34]
nubbins` http://imgur.com/a/jAOly [20:34]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [20:34]
nubbins` 40 pages, nice quick read [20:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10222 @ 0.0005 = 5.111 BTC {2} [20:34]
mircea_popescu one of those "very clear even if minor improvements over bitcoin " could well be devising a method so only a rolling window of the blockchain needs to be maintained. [20:35]
nubbins` ^ [20:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.37181817 = 4.09 BTC [-] {5} [20:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 587 @ 0.0005 = 0.2935 BTC [20:35]
ThickAsThieves just save it in pieces [20:35]
mircea_popescu allow expanding of blocks to arbitrary size, keep only most recent X blocks, suddenly you can compete with visa. [20:36]
ThickAsThieves so no one person has the whole thing [20:36]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves this isn't rapunzel, this is snowwhite. [20:36]
mircea_popescu you're thinking of the wrong princess. [20:36]
nubbins` no one person has the whole thing == torrent w/o seeders [20:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10010 @ 0.0005 = 5.005 BTC {2} [20:36]
mircea_popescu exactly. [20:36]
ThickAsThieves just let me keep a backup of it [20:37]
ThickAsThieves s'all good [20:37]
mircea_popescu that you can do, of course [20:37]
mircea_popescu but you don't NEED it is all. [20:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 79383 @ 0.0005 = 39.6915 BTC {3} [20:37]
ThickAsThieves looks like HIF will sell that first round [20:38]
mircea_popescu was no pre-announcement or why the dribble aproach ? [20:38]
ThickAsThieves they announced yesterday [20:38]
ThickAsThieves surprise! [20:38]
mircea_popescu !t h hif [20:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3001 @ 0.0005 = 1.5005 BTC [20:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00050000 / 0.0005 / 0.00050000 (853234 shares, 426.61700000 BTC), 7D: 0.00050000 / 0.0005 / 0.00050000 (853234 shares, 426.61700000 BTC), 30D: 0.00050000 / 0.0005 / 0.00050000 (853234 shares, 426.61700000 BTC) [20:40]
ThickAsThieves $260k [20:40]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2279 @ 0.0005 = 1.1395 BTC {5} [20:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 228 @ 0.001879 = 0.4284 BTC [-] [20:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 394 @ 0.0005 = 0.197 BTC [20:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 11155 @ 0.0005 = 5.5775 BTC {2} [20:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 894 @ 0.0005 = 0.447 BTC {2} [20:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 33000 @ 0.0005 = 16.5 BTC {3} [20:45]
topace i can confirm that trading will only open AFTER the last block (or the offering is cancelled) [20:45]
nubbins` fun! [20:46]
pascal2571 that makes it even more interested [20:46]
nubbins` nod [20:46]
ThickAsThieves sorry flippers! [20:46]
nubbins` interesting, even [20:46]
nubbins` topace: are the blocks being released back-to-back? [20:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1777 @ 0.0005 = 0.8885 BTC [20:48]
pascal2571 interesting of course [20:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 250 @ 0.0005 = 0.125 BTC {2} [20:49]
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nubbins` man, my sourdough starter is still alive. this is one resilient yeast colony [20:49]
nubbins` literally went a full month without feeding it [20:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 262 @ 0.0005 = 0.131 BTC {2} [20:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 630 @ 0.0005 = 0.315 BTC {4} [20:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform hey, what ever happened to that guy working on the magical badvirus thingee ? [20:52]
mircea_popescu i think my wafflemaker is trying to infect my fridge with these patterns right here. [20:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.0005 = 0.5 BTC [20:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: perhaps the lsd wore off. [20:53]
mircea_popescu poor guy. [20:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10125 @ 0.0005 = 5.0625 BTC {3} [20:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 999 @ 0.00194837 = 1.9464 BTC [+] {5} [20:54]
asciilifeform http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/researcher-skepticism-grows-over-badbios-malware-claims/ [20:54]
ozbot Researcher skepticism grows over badBIOS malware claims | Ars Technica [20:54]
mircea_popescu im telling you, these waffles are proof in the pudding. [20:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2180 @ 0.0005 = 1.09 BTC {2} [20:55]
asciilifeform anyone considering infecting bios should focus on: video cards. [20:55]
asciilifeform unlike system bios, no signature nonsense of any kind; and only two major vendors. [20:55]
mircea_popescu whjat the fuck is with the skull [20:55]
mircea_popescu jesus is there no sane trade rag left already ?! [20:55]
mircea_popescu what are these people, 12 ? [20:55]
asciilifeform bonus points for anyone who manages to pawn the diddled gpu cards to miners. [20:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4139 @ 0.0005 = 2.0695 BTC {6} [20:56]
asciilifeform 'as the toys are, thus also are the players.' [20:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1460 @ 0.0005 = 0.73 BTC {6} [20:57]
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mircea_popescu that poor guy, going through gigs of pm logs [20:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 401 @ 0.0005 = 0.2005 BTC {3} [20:58]
nubbins` wait, LSD wears off? [20:58]
nubbins` oh god, bbl calling ambulance [20:58]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.39999999 BTC [+] [21:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 660 @ 0.0005 = 0.33 BTC [21:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4000 @ 0.0005 = 2 BTC [21:02]
pascal2571 [WTS] 3537 ADDICTION direct shares - Message me with your offer [21:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 325 @ 0.0005 = 0.1625 BTC [21:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1595 @ 0.0005 = 0.7975 BTC {3} [21:06]
Ukto jcpham: i am here. [21:06]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 740 @ 0.0005 = 0.37 BTC {2} [21:08]
pascal2571 Ukto: you're making progress with withdrawals? what date are we at right now? [21:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 990 @ 0.0005 = 0.495 BTC {3} [21:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3999 @ 0.0005 = 1.9995 BTC [21:13]
jcpham hi ukto [21:14]
jcpham you didn't scam did you [21:14]
jcpham ;P [21:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.0330125 = 0.2641 BTC [+] {2} [21:15]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4000 @ 0.0005 = 2 BTC [21:17]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 11340 @ 0.0005 = 5.67 BTC [21:21]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.0005 = 1 BTC [21:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC [21:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7500 @ 0.00008199 = 0.6149 BTC [+] {2} [21:30]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC [21:32]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 400 @ 0.0005 = 0.2 BTC [21:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 21545 @ 0.0005 = 10.7725 BTC [21:35]
pankkake https://xkcd.com/1293/ now that's an amazing company [21:37]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [21:37]
ozbot xkcd: Job Interview [21:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1000 @ 0.00104501 = 1.045 BTC [-] {2} [21:37]
kakobrekla http://bou.si/4c/1384952934718.png [21:39]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3000 @ 0.0005 = 1.5 BTC [21:39]
Namworld Who's buying HIF an an implied 50'000 BTC valuation? Not like Havelock has anything to show for such a high valuation. [21:41]
Namworld Topace, why is it so pricey? [21:41]
pascal2571 99% are hoping to flip on the discounted value [21:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 842 @ 0.00104501 = 0.8799 BTC [-] [21:42]
pankkake dolphins [21:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.39999996 = 0.8 BTC [-] {2} [21:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 19025 @ 0.000075 = 1.4269 BTC [-] {4} [21:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10600 @ 0.0005 = 5.3 BTC {2} [21:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5040 @ 0.0005 = 2.52 BTC {3} [21:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 250 @ 0.0005 = 0.125 BTC [21:49]
TomServo http://www.aurichlawson.com/ Looks possible. [21:50]
ozbot Aurich Lawson | Design + Interactive [21:50]
TomServo Whups, that was in response to MP's "Are these people 12?" [21:51]
mircea_popescu lol [21:53]
mircea_popescu pankkake thanks for that, i sent it along to pr. expect to see it on forum a lot. [21:54]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 206 @ 0.0005 = 0.103 BTC {2} [21:56]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 35102 @ 0.0005 = 17.551 BTC [21:57]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.39995 = 0.7999 BTC [-] [22:05]
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dub mircea_popescu: just reading that routejacking is on the up recently [22:11]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10100 @ 0.0005 = 5.05 BTC {2} [22:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.032475 = 0.6495 BTC [-] {4} [22:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1294 @ 0.0005 = 0.647 BTC [22:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 102 @ 0.00328769 = 0.3353 BTC [-] {5} [22:18]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 232 @ 0.00104501 = 0.2424 BTC [-] [22:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 8585 @ 0.0005 = 4.2925 BTC {2} [22:21]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 355 @ 0.00175101 = 0.6216 BTC [-] {3} [22:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 250 @ 0.0005 = 0.125 BTC [22:22]
mircea_popescu dub aha [22:24]
dub not that it poses much risk to mpex [22:27]
mircea_popescu yeah, wasn't ever a question of that. [22:28]
dub stands to reason bad guys would be trying it on btc services [22:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2150 @ 0.0005 = 1.075 BTC {2} [22:28]
mircea_popescu if not right now, then a little later. [22:29]
dub NSA have QUANTUM, why can't erryone else play too? [22:29]
mircea_popescu dub quantum fannies. [22:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 960 @ 0.0005 = 0.48 BTC {2} [22:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00175101 = 0.3502 BTC [-] [22:29]
dub superposition of the cock [22:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1035 @ 0.0005 = 0.5175 BTC {2} [22:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.39999999 = 0.8 BTC [+] [22:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 7407 @ 0.0005 = 3.7035 BTC {2} [22:32]
thestringpuller why don't mo niggas use elliptic c curve cryptographyy? [22:35]
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mircea_popescu because they're paraplegic. [22:36]
thestringpuller good answer [22:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10000 @ 0.0005 = 5 BTC [22:36]
pankkake I like my encryptions curvy [22:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 427 @ 0.0005 = 0.2135 BTC [22:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2443 @ 0.0005 = 1.2215 BTC {3} [22:38]
dub pankkake hashes BBW [22:40]
deadweasel quick question, if details about the implemention are logged publicly here, about cardano s.nsa, won't that make it less secure? [22:42]
mircea_popescu deadweasel how would it ? [22:42]
deadweasel alass, I have only questions, as usual. [22:43]
deadweasel alas* [22:43]
pankkake security by obscurity doesn't work for long [22:43]
mircea_popescu well, think about it. in principle anyone can buy one [22:43]
mircea_popescu and take it apart. [22:43]
mircea_popescu what's a secret implementation going to do ? [22:43]
asciilifeform further: would you really buy it if any of the design details were secret? [22:43]
mircea_popescu i am guessing he would :D [22:44]
asciilifeform aficionados of mystery meat should buy crypto hardware from classic nsa. [22:45]
deadweasel i don't think I would think about it that much.. which is why I don't need one quite yet. ;) [22:45]
thestringpuller hmm i couldn't find a havelock bet so I made onee [22:45]
deadweasel gotta fix my personal security habits before cardono is at all useful. [22:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 10067 @ 0.0005 = 5.0335 BTC {2} [22:46]
deadweasel thestringpuller: link? [22:46]
thestringpuller i'm on slow internet my page is still submitting the form [22:47]
jurov o,where is cardano documented? [22:47]
jurov i mean, implementation details [22:47]
deadweasel -assets logs [22:47]
deadweasel didn't know if implementation was secret, or needed to be. [22:47]
* deadweasel is not a security expert. [22:48]
jurov i only see a discussion that rng may be sealed.. nothing more concrete [22:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 372 @ 0.0005 = 0.186 BTC [22:49]
mircea_popescu jurov it wasn't ever very detailed. [22:49]
deadweasel me either, just verifying details wouldn't give away some kind of attack vector. but I don't know about these things. [22:49]
asciilifeform jurov: unlike, say, the 'IBM 4764' mysterymeatbag, physical tamper resistance is explicitly not a goal. [22:50]
mircea_popescu deadweasel actually it's probably going to be useful in the sense that it makes it easy to learn i think [22:50]
deadweasel it's why I invest it others to do it for me :) [22:50]
pankkake the fact that the rng board is separate is interesting… perhaps we'll see more products based on it? :) [22:51]
mircea_popescu and more rng board types. [22:51]
pankkake sexy. I just want random data feeds, I don't have much use for the cardano! [22:52]
asciilifeform board was build separately mainly for testing. final product may include embedded rng, but certainly with an external override. [22:52]
mircea_popescu but yeah the idea is to keep modularity. we want to be able to reuse as much as possible of trhe shiot we make in other things down the road. [22:52]
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jurov would be cool if it can be pried off and connected to rpi gpio pins or such [22:53]
deadweasel selling a standalone usb rng would be a little too niche to market, i guess? [22:53]
asciilifeform current design draft has a toggle that converts the unit into a pure rng [22:53]
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pankkake these guys did it http://www.entropykey.co.uk/ [22:53]
asciilifeform (appears as 'usb serial' device.) [22:53]
deadweasel oh wow. I had no idea. that's the fucking tits. [22:53]
deadweasel nice job guys :D [22:54]
mircea_popescu as it works with bitbet, i am here to receive all praise please. if anything breaks or malfunctions then talk to asciilifeform [22:55]
deadweasel so, business as usual? [22:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1712 @ 0.00084001 = 1.4381 BTC [-] {2} [22:56]
mircea_popescu division of labour is what made america great! [22:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 659 @ 0.0005 = 0.3295 BTC [22:57]
deadweasel also, semi-retarded and unable to fend for ourselves.. [22:57]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 4.52100600 BTC to 358`810 shares, 1260 satoshi per share [23:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.4 = 1.2 BTC [+] [23:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 30000 @ 0.0005 = 15 BTC [23:01]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4000 @ 0.0005 = 2 BTC [23:04]
thestringpuller http://bitbet.us/propositions/ - the first one if accepted [23:05]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.0005 = 0.5 BTC [23:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 17.64732447 BTC to 13`311 shares, 132577 satoshi per share [23:08]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 955 @ 0.00104501 = 0.998 BTC [-] [23:12]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.37600001 = 0.752 BTC [-] [23:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1012 @ 0.0005 = 0.506 BTC {2} [23:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 45 @ 0.37564444 = 16.904 BTC [-] {6} [23:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4000 @ 0.0005 = 2 BTC [23:15]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 710 @ 0.0005 = 0.355 BTC {2} [23:16]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.375 = 7.5 BTC [-] [23:23]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3009 @ 0.0005 = 1.5045 BTC [23:26]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 511 @ 0.0005 = 0.2555 BTC {3} [23:27]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 165 @ 0.36322473 = 59.9321 BTC [-] {6} [23:29]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 259 @ 0.00307651 = 0.7968 BTC [-] {7} [23:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 9489 @ 0.0005 = 4.7445 BTC [23:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.0005 = 0.5 BTC [23:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 189 @ 0.0031 = 0.5859 BTC [+] [23:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.36090909 = 3.97 BTC [-] {2} [23:32]
mircea_popescu Arnold Schwarzenegger agreed to appear in a mega-budget historical adventure called Crusades for Mario Kassar's company Carolco Pictures. When the projected budget went past $200 million, financing collapsed, despite pre-production expenditure of $20 million. Instead of collecting his “play-or-pay” $15 million, Schwarzenegger asked for all rights to the script in the hope that one day he could get it made. [23:33]
mircea_popescu possibly the worst call in history. [23:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1700 @ 0.0005 = 0.85 BTC [23:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.34813762 = 2.7851 BTC [-] {5} [23:33]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.33 = 1.65 BTC [-] [23:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1040 @ 0.0005 = 0.52 BTC {2} [23:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.003001 = 0.1531 BTC [-] [23:34]
jurov mircea_popescu: withdrawals pls :) [23:35]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3298 BTC [-] [23:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 6260 @ 0.0005 = 3.13 BTC [23:37]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5000 @ 0.0005 = 2.5 BTC [23:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.311 = 0.622 BTC [-] {2} [23:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00300001 = 0.12 BTC [-] {2} [23:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3598 @ 0.0005 = 1.799 BTC [23:44]
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mircea_popescu flushed. [23:45]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 303 @ 0.00300001 = 0.909 BTC [-] [23:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3001 BTC [-] [23:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.30000033 = 0.9 BTC [-] {3} [23:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 400 @ 0.0005 = 0.2 BTC [23:50]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00300066 = 0.9002 BTC [+] {7} [23:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.29284 = 4.3926 BTC [-] {3} [23:51]
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thestringpuller hmm [23:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1475 @ 0.0005 = 0.7375 BTC {2} [23:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.29000666 = 1.74 BTC [-] {2} [23:52]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 350 @ 0.001045 = 0.3658 BTC [-] [23:53]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 36 @ 0.28791943 = 10.3651 BTC [-] {4} [23:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 903 @ 0.0005 = 0.4515 BTC {3} [23:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.275 BTC [-] [23:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 21300 @ 0.0005 = 10.65 BTC {2} [23:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.25010777 = 2.251 BTC [-] {2} [23:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.25003333 = 0.7501 BTC [-] {2} [23:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.0005 = 1 BTC [23:58]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 124 @ 0.00275 = 0.341 BTC [-] {2} [23:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 109 @ 0.001752 = 0.191 BTC [+] [23:59]
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