Forum logs for 20 Jan 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
vragnaroda “Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under.” -- H.L. Mencken. [00:00]
Joric http://bitscalper.com is not responding anymore [00:01]
Joric why? [00:01]
Joric no ping either [00:02]
pirateat40 damn, i was hoping to invest. [00:02]
Cory I figured that was how you could afford 1%/day. [00:02]
pirateat40 Yea, how am I going to get all my lenders coins now. [00:03]
Joric bitscalper forum thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=57422.180 [00:04]
copumpkin pirateat40: lol [00:04]
Joric nobody is panicking yet [00:04]
BTCHero I would be [00:04]
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Joric i withdrew a shitload of money from bitscalper a few minutes ago [00:05]
pirateat40 This to me looks like ponzi http://screenshotuploader.com/s/01/RxoGolEhq [00:05]
Joric profits were decreasing i decided it would be safer [00:06]
BTC_Bear Stirring the Honey in the Pot, makes the bees go wild. [00:06]
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Joric 2% first day then 1.5 1.3 1.1 [00:06]
Joric lucky me [00:07]
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Joric pirateat40, same shit [00:08]
BTCHero My rate is always like 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 or something like that [00:08]
cablepair they probably just got a big enough deposit where they could run off with our money [00:09]
Joric maybe their bot went crazy it explains recent 0.2 btc [00:09]
Hurgelculture Hey, I'm looking to trade a 1871 Belgium “Leopold II” 20 Franc Gold Coin for bitcoins, is this a place to ask interest? [00:11]
helo yes [00:11]
Hurgelculture I havn't looked at bitcoin much since the last crash, have any good escrow services established since clearcoin closed? [00:12]
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Mqrius Gah, btccharts was stuck again. I hate not being up to date [00:13]
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Joric did anyone ask magicaltux about margin trading [00:16]
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nanotube Hurgelculture: there's #bitcoin-escrow, which is otc-style escrow. (you choose a mutually trusted third party to escrow). there's also btcrow.com, haven't used them. [00:21]
Hurgelculture I used them once, but I had heard they closed [00:22]
weex i think individual credit ratings are going to be more successful than excrow services [00:22]
chsados im starting to wonder if i should buy now... [00:22]
chsados its been abnormally stable [00:22]
Hurgelculture Well I'm looking to sell some PMs for bitcoins and I have no reputation established here, I figured the counterparty would want escrow in the short term. [00:22]
weex you see it already in the lending forum...people talk about all th eways they vet people...# of posts, membership time etc [00:23]
Hurgelculture Yeah CH, I looked at the search volume spike and figured I should jump back in [00:23]
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rawrmage PM? prime minister? private message? [00:26]
rg welp [00:26]
rg you all are teh second to know [00:26]
helo physical monies [00:26]
rg BitVPS has had its best month so far , this month, since its inception [00:27]
nanotube rawrmage: precious metals [00:27]
rawrmage oh, i see [00:27]
helo rg: awesome, congratulations :D [00:27]
rg it is quite nice to see something you built do well [00:27]
rg after building so many things that failed [00:27]
rawrmage rg: grats [00:27]
nanotube Hurgelculture: indeed, escrow is a good thing. also, seems btcrow.com is still in operation. and of course, #bitcoin-escrow is as well. [00:27]
rg now the question still remains [00:27]
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rg UK or NJ for the next vm node [00:28]
imsaguy UK [00:28]
chsados watd u make rg? [00:28]
imsaguy screw the US [00:28]
Hurgelculture yes, precious metals [00:28]
imsaguy gotta have backups [00:28]
rg i should probably mention that NJ is about $100 cheaper than UK [00:28]
Hurgelculture I'd rather sell a coin than do a wiretransfer lol [00:28]
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rg chsados: a company [00:28]
chsados which [00:28]
rawrmage rg: what's the ping from nj to mtgox :P [00:29]
rg rawrmage, i dunno [00:29]
rg we dont have any boxes there yet [00:30]
chsados they dont even have any type of front page announcement placeholder for Mega Upload? [00:30]
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rawrmage rg: what's ping from you to nj? :P [00:30]
chsados http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/01/megaupload-indicted-shuttered/ [00:30]
luke-jr B⃦1 [00:32]
helo criminal court case is going to be held, they probably can't put anything up that presumes guilt? dunno [00:32]
helo seems KINDA like taking their site down before a trial has been hald is presuming guilt [00:32]
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helo i guess that's the job of law enforcement... [00:33]
vite its funny, me living in panama, being able to open bank accounts and esetablish companies for foreigners never thought of trying to parter with someone whod be interested in living an a nice stable country out side of the US tax burden [00:35]
luke-jr helo: not really [00:35]
vite and use the bitcoin system to transfer wealth from one country to another [00:36]
luke-jr helo: taking down the site before a trial is more like holding the accused [00:37]
luke-jr until trial [00:37]
luke-jr I wonder if there's bail for websites [00:37]
helo heh [00:37]
luke-jr websites have no rights tho, so probably not [00:37]
rg rawrmage: lets see [00:38]
rg [jl@james .bitcoin]$ ping 204.62.12.1 [00:38]
rg PING 204.62.12.1 (204.62.12.1) 56(84) bytes of data. [00:38]
rg 64 bytes from 204.62.12.1: icmp_req=1 ttl=243 time=39.1 ms [00:38]
rg 64 bytes from 204.62.12.1: icmp_req=2 ttl=243 time=38.5 ms [00:38]
vite wonder if they cant prove they did anything criminal, and come out not guilty on all accounts, how much the governments that took part in the take down will have to pay [00:38]
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vite and just to tick them all off, theyd demand payment in btc [00:39]
rawrmage rg: ping to UK? [00:39]
bitscalper hi everybody [00:39]
rg my ping to uk is high [00:39]
rg like 110ms [00:39]
rg Chicago has 80ms [00:39]
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rawrmage woah [00:40]
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rawrmage that's very good [00:40]
rg yeah [00:40]
rg its amazintg [00:40]
rg uh oh [00:40]
rg datacenter owner just asked me if i want to skypw [00:40]
rg skype [00:40]
rg i think hes going to let me in on the super awesome deals [00:40]
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vragnaroda Oh shit; I forgot something the other day. [00:41]
vragnaroda ;;rated jjjrmy [00:41]
rg what a dick [00:42]
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vragnaroda ;;rate jjjrmy 2 sucks at Spanish [00:44]
pirateat40 lol [00:45]
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vragnaroda ;;rate pirateat40 3 not a real pirate [00:46]
Mqrius ;;rate pirateat3 40 not a real pirate either [00:46]
pirateat40 ;;rate vragnaroda 5 Wouldn't know a pirate if one cut his leg off. [00:46]
pirateat40 oh god [00:46]
pirateat40 i didn't know i was authed [00:47]
vragnaroda lol [00:47]
Mqrius lol [00:47]
Mqrius You can't trust a pirate. But if pirateat40 lied about being a pirate he's untrustworthy anyway. But it means he's not a pirate, so we can trust him afterall. [00:47]
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pirateat40 Its like the Labyrinth, which door do you pick? [00:48]
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pirateat40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dgmgub8mHw [00:49]
Mqrius Oh, the labyrinth with the 3 guards, one always lies, one always speaks the truth, and one cuts your leg off if you ask tricky questions. [00:49]
pirateat40 which do you pick? [00:49]
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vragnaroda Wait a second. [[If he's a pirate, then he's untrustworthy.] → [If he's not a pirate, he's trustworthy.]]? [00:49]
vragnaroda That doesn't make much sense. [00:49]
Mqrius vragnaroda: Yeah, pirateat40 told me that's how it works. And he's trustworthy, so yeah [00:49]
vite when will feedzebirds come back [00:50]
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imsaguy hopefully never [00:55]
imsaguy that is a shit app/site [00:55]
imsaguy it is blatently against twitter TOS [00:55]
grubles i concur [00:55]
imsaguy Retweeting advertisements is not allowed. [00:56]
grubles spammers spamming spammers' spam [00:56]
imsaguy plain and simple [00:56]
imsaguy grubles: awesome quote [00:56]
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grubles lol it fits feedzebirds perfectly [00:57]
imsaguy it really does [00:57]
rawrmage spammers spamming spammers' spam @ feedzebirds.com #Retweet4Bitcoin CheckStatus@ feedzebirds.com/spamm [00:58]
grubles jebus [00:59]
grubles is that how it actually is posted on twitter? [00:59]
imsaguy yep [00:59]
imsaguy you're basically whoring out your friends for pennies [01:00]
imsaguy 1000 views got you like 4 cents [01:00]
grubles that's like sweat shop kind of work [01:00]
rawrmage it's not bad for just logging in every day and clicking a button [01:01]
rawrmage i think i got like a total of 3 btc [01:01]
grubles hm nice [01:01]
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Mqrius orderbook moving.... [01:04]
Mqrius dun dun DUUUUNN. [01:04]
rawrmage grubles: 3.17785585 [01:04]
grubles rawrmage: woah [01:05]
grubles it's a sign [01:05]
grubles wait [01:05]
rawrmage what's a sign [01:05]
grubles no it's not [01:05]
rawrmage lol [01:05]
grubles nothing... [01:06]
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rawrmage a year ago or something i was dumb and signed up for an automatic "gain followerzlol" app so [01:06]
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Cory It hit 6.5. I was wrong lol. [08:56]
benjamindees yeah unfortunately my play money is on the wrong side of this trade for now [08:56]
benjamindees demand is starting to trickle through [08:57]
chsados wtf those links spammed the fuk outa me [09:01]
chsados wrong chan [09:02]
splatster he's back [09:04]
chsados im skeptical! [09:05]
smickles me too [09:05]
smickles ! [09:05]
chsados fake bid walls make me paranoid [09:05]
smickles not me :o [09:05]
chsados im too suspisios now after that night lol [09:05]
chsados pump n dump [09:06]
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Hunterbunter yeah could be short squeezing [09:06]
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chsados does anyone here subscripe to s305 [09:08]
Mqrius there was about 8k buy though over the last few minutes [09:09]
chsados clark moodys actin funny [09:09]
chsados really [09:09]
Mqrius I don't watch clarkmoody [09:09]
Cory What's it doing? [09:10]
chsados being slow [09:10]
chsados watch wat then [09:10]
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rawrmage this makes me uncomfortable [09:11]
chsados yea i know im so town [09:11]
chsados torn [09:11]
rawrmage i want the market to stop touching me there [09:11]
chsados lol [09:12]
chsados im gunna bite a bit [09:13]
mircea_popescu lmao romania kicks so much ass [09:13]
mircea_popescu so the socialists (who have been out of power for ~10 years now) [09:13]
mircea_popescu are trying to get this "protest" thing going. originally it was gonna be in each town and stuff, ended up with 20 people on payroll trying to astroturf it and bystanderd kinda laughing at them [09:14]
mircea_popescu now they decided they're gonna bus everyone to the capital. there's maaaaybe 3k people there, after bussing from the entire country. in a 2.x mn strong town. [09:15]
chsados the wold is changing at a fast rate [09:15]
chsados world [09:15]
mircea_popescu i dun see much change happening here. [09:15]
mircea_popescu socialists/communists got kicked out in 1989 by crowds easily in the millions. [09:16]
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chsados im thinking more in terms of the us and mid east [09:22]
benjamindees actually that looks like same old crap as well :p [09:23]
chsados thats awesome tho have any live feeds? [09:23]
chsados im biased cuz medical marijuana is high on my civil rights list [09:23]
chsados and it looks like some states may legalize very soon [09:24]
benjamindees google ron paul [09:24]
chsados i know all about him i supported him last primarys [09:25]
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chsados he may have a shot [09:25]
chsados if romney wins which is likely there may be a posibility if ron paul runs as a 3rd party that some Repubs will vote for him and a very very large part of obamas college aged kids would switch to paul i na heart beat [09:26]
chsados alot of republicans hate romney [09:26]
splatster republicans would rather have romeny than obama, right? [09:27]
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benjamindees than paul you mean? [09:27]
mircea_popescu i dont think that many actual republicans prefer romney to obama [09:28]
mircea_popescu it's just the top brass that does. [09:28]
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chsados yea [09:29]
benjamindees probably the banksters do [09:29]
mircea_popescu main problem of the GOP, it represents maybe 10% of its electorate. the dems doing much better on that score. [09:29]
chsados there is a very decent divide between romney and a rotating few other candidates [09:29]
benjamindees the main problem of the GOP is the rampant election fraud [09:29]
mircea_popescu that's a third world problem [09:30]
benjamindees thank you george bush and cia [09:30]
mircea_popescu which btw, the us really sits in, with iran and whatnot. [09:30]
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chsados yup [09:33]
chsados so...what do u guys think about market right now? [09:34]
benjamindees I think it's going up but I would like it to go down [09:34]
chsados * still at bitcoinica [09:34]
chsados so doesnt that mean no1 can buy? [09:34]
chsados in order to go long? [09:35]
benjamindees I think actual real new money is starting to trickle in [09:35]
chsados hmm [09:35]
chsados i9s that what money flow index is? [09:36]
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Joric chsados, buy? it's gonna fall now imho [09:36]
Cory Joric: Tell it to hurry up and do it already, then! [09:37]
Cory I need sleep! [09:37]
chsados u think price going down now? [09:37]
mircea_popescu lol btc looks so much like a real market by now [09:37]
mircea_popescu splendid [09:37]
Joric but as i said, listen to me and do the opposite together we'll make millions [09:37]
Joric looks like it's not falling [09:38]
Cory Uggggh 5k BTC wall. [09:38]
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Cory I'll give it a few minutes to see if somebody cashes out using that wall. [09:39]
Cory Otherwise, that's my cue to get some rest. [09:39]
DBordello i like that wall [09:40]
Hunterbunter its certainly intersting [09:40]
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Joric it'll certainly go dow..up [09:46]
Hunterbunter lol [09:46]
Hunterbunter the 5k wall is being eaten into [09:46]
Joric buying frenzy [09:47]
chsados why cant i have a crystal ball [09:47]
chsados life would b much easier [09:47]
Hunterbunter rubble forming quickly tho [09:48]
chsados here we go? [09:49]
chsados is everyone sleeping or soething lol? [09:51]
chsados or got their eyes glued the forums dead [09:51]
vuce what's happening, I just woke up [09:51]
Hunterbunter yeah a little stunend [09:51]
Hunterbunter could be a burst rally [09:52]
Hunterbunter probably a trap [09:52]
Hunterbunter who really knows [09:52]
Hunterbunter except the dude with the walls [09:52]
Hunterbunter its also possible they just want to buy [09:52]
Hunterbunter altho I'd pay the 20c premium for that and be done with it [09:53]
Hunterbunter so maybe not the case. [09:53]
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Hunterbunter sorry rambling now [09:54]
benjamindees what is with all this demand... early morning europe ? [09:54]
benjamindees did The Good Wife air there too... or is their economy collapsing ;) [09:54]
Joric late evening usa [09:54]
benjamindees it's past midnight in the US [09:55]
Joric it's 23.55 in sf [09:55]
benjamindees getting drunk and buying bitcoins? [09:55]
chsados stoned [09:56]
chsados dude i think this is lookin legit [09:56]
vuce god i hate these people putting up fake walls [09:56]
Joric chsados, for buying or for selling? [09:57]
chsados buy [09:57]
vuce i wonder what would happen if someone sold shitload of coins at once and they wouldn't have the time to remove them [09:57]
benjamindees what if we, like, made a currency that was completely digital, man [09:57]
Hunterbunter it may not be fake if it's basically at trade value [09:57]
vuce i'm not talking about this specific one [09:57]
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vuce a few days ago like 100k btc just disappeared [09:58]
vuce those were obviously fake [09:58]
CaptainDDL ;;book PPUSD [09:58]
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rawrmage i'm [10:00]
rawrmage a [10:00]
rawrmage fruit juicr b0x [10:00]
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grubles pony? [10:00]
chsados walls actin funny [10:00]
rawrmage grubles: what about pony [10:01]
[Manic] rawrmage: did you ever get the btc danieldaniel sent you from mtgox? [10:01]
rawrmage yes manic [10:01]
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grubles youre a pony [10:01]
rawrmage everypony is a pony [10:02]
rawrmage duh [10:02]
[Manic] it finally went through or did he resend it? [10:02]
rawrmage it went through in 0 sec flat because they werr both gox addys [10:02]
Hunterbunter oh there it goes [10:02]
rawrmage goes down? [10:02]
benjamindees sell, sell! [10:02]
Hunterbunter he may just be recoding it for 6.7 [10:03]
Hunterbunter or he got bored [10:03]
Hunterbunter so helpful, I know :) [10:03]
splatster ;;rate Ukto 1 Worked on some HTML/JS/CSS for a project of his. [10:03]
CaptainDDL wow value's fluctuating like crazy [10:03]
splatster CaptainDDL: that's what bitcoin does best [10:03]
[Manic] i thought he had sent you something that didnt go through and it gave him a transaction id with hypens when he did it.. [10:04]
Hunterbunter no sorry someone sold into it [10:04]
Hunterbunter the wall was purchased [10:04]
Hunterbunter according to clark [10:04]
chsados huh? [10:04]
chsados wat wall [10:05]
Hunterbunter 5k red bar in clarkmoody = someone sold the wall at 6.5? ther was a wall there [10:05]
rawrmage grubles: pon3 should poni P//||1 [10:05]
grubles lol [10:05]
CaptainDDL Anyone able to sell me $20 worth of BTC via Paypal (or Amazon GC)? Value fell on me, bit short now. [10:06]
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splatster UHG! Sideways is oh so boring! [10:09]
splatster I can haz volatility? [10:09]
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Joric only if reversed [10:11]
chsados bots def driving the price up [10:11]
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Joric haha bitscalper gone [10:12]
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Joric 'Do not panick, this is a problem with the host and will be solved within 9.00 AM Germany time' [10:12]
Joric it's 9:12 [10:13]
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Joric https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=57422.200 [10:13]
weex Do not panick is code for... [10:14]
weex Panick! [10:14]
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Joric sic [10:14]
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weex looking for bitcoin-related digital artworks, pm me if interested [10:16]
chsados bitcoinica finally ran w the funds? [10:17]
chsados i mean bitscalper [10:17]
Joric almost heart attack [10:17]
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rawrmage lol [10:18]
chsados haha [10:18]
chsados my b [10:19]
weex that would technically be impossible without lots of cooperation from a certain large exchange [10:19]
chsados prob ya [10:21]
Joric they even may be hosted on the same hdd [10:22]
Joric lol last comment 'maybe they are on the same server as MEGAUPLOAD' [10:22]
Joric it's bitvps actually [10:22]
weex actually i think MagicalTux and zhoutong together might make a good tv show [10:23]
Joric 'gone with the funds' [10:23]
chsados or a good cybercrime book [10:23]
chsados is the genre called cyberpunk? [10:23]
weex i don't think cyberpunk means cybercrime but i'd imagine there is overlap for maximal dramatic effect [10:24]
chsados yea [10:25]
rawrmage cyberclop drama [10:25]
benjamindees it'd be like thelma and louise [10:26]
chsados have you ever read daemon by danial suarez? [10:28]
rawrmage #bitcoin-bookclub? :D [10:28]
chsados http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(technothriller_series) [10:28]
chsados lol [10:28]
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chsados its a really cool premise [10:29]
rawrmage #bitcoin-church :D [10:29]
CaptainDDL ;;buy 3 BTC @ {mtgoxlast} PPUSD [10:30]
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rawrmage who all akk [10:37]
rawrmage hhhdxcbb [10:37]
rawrmage who all's a party poni? [10:37]
stamit anybody seeing packet loss when talking to mtgox.com? [10:39]
pigeons ok someone explain the pony meme to me [10:40]
pigeons everyone in bitcoin channels has been saying pony for 3 days now [10:41]
pigeons next my mom will start saying it [10:41]
splatster pony [10:41]
splatster pony? [10:42]
splatster pony [10:42]
splatster PONY! [10:42]
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pigeons .ud pony [10:46]
grubles did someone say pony [10:48]
splatster yep [10:49]
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weex slightly related to ponies: http://www.rainbowsandunicorns.com/field-dress-a-unicorn.php [10:51]
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Ukto ... [10:52]
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Ukto afte rlooking at that screen weex [10:56]
Ukto somehow my screen has a green tint, rather that the white it should be [10:56]
Ukto :P [10:56]
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chsados ha bitscalper down [11:10]
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Joric should register buttscalper.com [11:12]
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chsados lol [11:16]
Ukto hmmmm [11:18]
Ukto so how do you install php-idn with yum.... dont see any packages :/ [11:19]
ageis i hope I can manage vanitygen+pywallet with ease [11:21]
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chsados anyone want to host www.buttscalper.com i just bought the url :D [11:37]
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Joric ask rg he's a hoster [11:38]
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chsados i just cant afford to pay so im hoping someone would like to host it just bc [11:38]
* stamit is a total scalper [11:39]
pigeons Ukto: yum install apt-get [11:39]
chsados what is a nameserver? and how much are they usually? [11:39]
ageis r u kiddin? [11:40]
chsados lol no ive never bought a url or hosted a website before [11:40]
benjamindees gbtgbs [11:41]
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ageis nameservers help resolve between ips and hostnames [11:42]
ageis use a free one at afraid.org [11:42]
ageis then you can point buttscalper.com to the ip you want (incl. your home box for now) [11:43]
chsados ahh ok [11:43]
ageis i respectfully decline to host :P [11:43]
chsados well im just gunna hold onto it maybe someone will want to play around w it [11:43]
chsados if bitscalper is indeed a giant scam maybe it will be a fun site for a while [11:44]
ageis yeh [11:45]
ageis its entertaining [11:45]
chsados how did the whole buttcoin meme start? [11:45]
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Joric http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRFm-LCqL1w [11:49]
benjamindees somethingawful.com [11:52]
benjamindees it's a message board for five year-olds [11:52]
Joric they want me to pay $9.95 for registering an account [11:53]
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Joric what's wrong with them [11:54]
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ageis someone send me a lil somethin so i can verify my vanity address works :) 1AgeisUFv9NJ3AGGq7VPJWymGfFpCHDhCw [11:58]
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Seventoes why would it not work? [12:03]
ageis you're right. [12:04]
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Seventoes errr hallo [12:25]
Seventoes did someone forget to nail the floor on? [12:25]
Seventoes it kinda fell a bit [12:25]
Seventoes secure the floor D: i'm getting dizzy! [12:26]
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Seventoes that's better [12:30]
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Hunterbunter someone's been puffing up the price all day, but there haven't been many people panic buying [12:33]
Hunterbunter I don't know who sold those last 3k coins, but it may have an adverse effect on the puffer [12:34]
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arvicco Good wife plot didn't work out I guess [12:35]
Seventoes lol [12:35]
Seventoes :( [12:35]
Seventoes buy a bunch of coins and then air a primetime show about bitcoins... brilliant! [12:35]
benjamindees there didn't really seem to be much interest among their audience [12:36]
benjamindees but there have been more buyers lately (for some reason) [12:36]
Seventoes it's a mediocre court drama [12:36]
Joric motherfucking bitcoinica [12:38]
Hunterbunter google trends is up after the episode, but it pales in comparison to the searching that was done in June last year [12:38]
Hunterbunter in other words, no one really cared [12:38]
Seventoes boo [12:39]
Hunterbunter biggest interest has come from scandanavian countries :) [12:39]
Joric there just was a huge spike but it didn't cover expences due to the even greater spread [12:39]
Seventoes wonder why that is [12:39]
Seventoes vikings love bitcoins for some reason [12:39]
Joric the highest sell price was 6.49 [12:39]
Joric buying price didn't even get close so far [12:40]
Seventoes yep, i got my money out of bitcoinica [12:40]
Hunterbunter it seems it calculates its spread on how many BTC it can buy...I think it puts it at around 500btc either way [12:40]
Seventoes I'm building a mac app right now that uses Bitcoinica's UI on MtGox's API [12:40]
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MBS lol anyone interested in random world coins [12:40]
Seventoes i like the trading workflow on bitcoinica [12:40]
MBS was going threw stuff and found a bunch of random coins i have [12:41]
Seventoes but the spreads and inability to trade for hours at a time aren't worth it [12:41]
Joric Seventoes, you mean twitter bootstrap css? [12:41]
Seventoes the actual workflow i mean, not just the look of it [12:41]
MBS none silver besides for a mercury dime though [12:41]
Seventoes on mtgox you have to take time to type the price and all that, it's much easier how bitcoinica does it [12:41]
Hunterbunter yeah could it handle all the refreshes if you have entire mt gox using it? [12:41]
Hunterbunter *though [12:41]
MBS but some hong kong coins, some yen, canadian, venezuela, pre EUR netherlands, brazil, fiji and a few others [12:42]
Hunterbunter if thats no problem, I agree it is better [12:42]
Seventoes not sure i get what you're saying [12:42]
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Hunterbunter like bitcoinica seems to keep refreshing itself every couple seconds to keep the latest price updated...gox doesn't do that does it? (I thought that was how it could do the market buy/sell the way it did) [12:42]
arvicco Seems like Good wife thing was just used as a pretext to pump price from its naturally found support level of ~2.5-3. It took about 1.2mil USD to get the price where it is now [12:42]
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Seventoes Ah, yeah i'll be hooked right up to the firehose directly [12:43]
Seventoes no need to refresh [12:43]
Seventoes this is a desktop app btw, not a web app [12:43]
Hunterbunter oooh I seE :) [12:43]
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arvicco I wonder how he intends to cash out [12:43]
MBS also fuckin direct loan [12:43]
MBS tried to make an account on their new site so i could see my student loans on mint.com [12:43]
Seventoes see it wants to go up again [12:44]
Seventoes someone's just gotta let it [12:44]
MBS has an error about ssn and dob not matching, so going to have to call them...eventually [12:44]
Seventoes I had that issue with my student loans too MBS [12:44]
Seventoes turned out they had my mom's info for some stupid reason [12:44]
MBS i have 2 years until repayment though, so it would only be for notification purposes [12:45]
Seventoes so she had to sign up and add me as an authorized payer [12:45]
Seventoes meaning she can now see the status of my student loans forever D: [12:45]
MBS though if i get a job, will see about maybe paying interest or something, idk [12:45]
MBS Seventoes, just pay them off fast :p [12:45]
Seventoes lol [12:45]
MBS after i graduate, student loans will be main priority, lol [12:45]
MBS hoping to pay the $30k off in about 3 years [12:46]
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bulanula ident bulanula [12:58]
bulanula ;;ident bulanula [12:58]
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bulanula ;;eauth bulanula [13:03]
bulanula ;;guide [13:03]
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bulanula guys can someone please help me ? [13:06]
bulanula Error: This nick is not registered. Please register. [13:06]
bulanula what do i need to do to register ? [13:06]
pigeons bulanula: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication [13:07]
UukGoblin this is balls http://stats.grok.se/en/201201/Bitcoin [13:07]
UukGoblin it was supposed to go up exponentially [13:07]
UukGoblin instead it's just bullshit [13:07]
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Mqrius Maybe it levels out at 2x the previous average. [13:16]
bulanula ok [13:16]
pigeons arvicco: your analysis looks spot on [13:17]
pigeons here we go [13:17]
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pigeons you got it working bulanula? [13:24]
pigeons hey, it's bitscalper [13:25]
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Hunterbunter has anyone here ever played BitFu? [13:29]
bitfoo someone call me? :P [13:35]
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bitfoo Hunterbunter: what's the url? [13:43]
Hunterbunter lol [13:43]
Hunterbunter no idea, someone approached me on forums asking me if I was interested in developing some games with them...they mentioned BitFu and I was just trying to find out more about it [13:43]
Hunterbunter apprantly it was a rock-paper-scissors style fighting game that came out last july [13:44]
bitfoo I found a thread with no url: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=25099.0;all [13:44]
Hunterbunter yeah thats the exact one I was given [13:44]
Hunterbunter (was just about to post same one) [13:44]
Keefe /last keefe [13:44]
Keefe oops [13:45]
Hunterbunter so I'm guessing that has nothing to do with you? :) [13:45]
bitfoo haha, nope [13:45]
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Hunterbunter cool no worries [13:46]
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benjamindees down goes tradehill! [13:47]
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bulanula ok [13:51]
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bulanula good stuff im registered now :) [14:06]
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pigeons ;;ident bulanula [14:09]
pigeons sweet [14:09]
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bulanula ;;ident bulanula [14:12]
bulanula so how do i get me a rating then ? [14:12]
vragnaroda ;;rate bulanula -10 wants a rating :P [14:13]
bulanula lol not -10 maybe +10 lol [14:13]
bulanula how do i see my current rating ? [14:13]
vragnaroda I'm not authed so that didn't do anything, anyway. [14:13]
vragnaroda ;;gettrust vragnaroda bulanula [14:14]
vragnaroda That will show you what my L1 and L2 ratings of you are. [14:14]
vragnaroda If you want a cumulative rating (which is almost completely useless), use ;;getrating [14:14]
vragnaroda It is colder than a witch's titty right now. :-( [14:14]
bulanula ok what is that + in your name ? [14:15]
bulanula ;;gettrust vragnaroda bulanula [14:15]
vragnaroda voice [14:15]
bulanula so how come i dont have a + too ?? can i get one ? how [14:15]
vragnaroda It doesn't really mean anything now, but once you've been registered 24 hours, you can do ;;voiceme [14:15]
bulanula ;;voiceme [14:15]
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vragnaroda bulanula: Not 24 hours yet. ;) [14:16]
bulanula ok so after 24 hours i get the + on my name too ? [14:16]
bulanula what is the usefulness of the + and voiceme ? [14:16]
vragnaroda When you're authed and do ;;voiceme, yes. [14:16]
bulanula what does voiceme do ? [14:16]
vragnaroda Well, the channel used to be mode +m, so only people with voice could speak. [14:17]
vragnaroda If it gets too busy/crazy like that again, it'll probably go +m again. [14:17]
bulanula ok so i see that right now i can talk so the voice thing is not that great then right ? [14:18]
vragnaroda Right, it doesn't really matter. [14:18]
pigeons yeah but it can let us lazy folk see that you've bothered to registered [14:18]
bulanula ok so after 24 hours i get the + automatically right ? do i need to stay here 24hours or it counts no matter what / [14:19]
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bulanula eg can i deauth ? [14:19]
bulanula lol bitcoin is damn simple compared to PGP lol [14:19]
bulanula or gpg whatever it is called; bitcoin is easy peasy lol gpg is damn right nerdy lol [14:20]
vragnaroda bulanula: ;;unauth [14:20]
bulanula so if i unauth the 24hours still keeps counting right ? [14:21]
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vragnaroda Yeah, you just would have to auth and ;;voiceme [14:22]
bulanula ok thx vragnaroda [14:23]
vragnaroda You don't need to stay authenticated for 24 hours; you just need to register and wait 24 hours fro voice. [14:23]
bulanula and pigeons [14:23]
pigeons yes? [14:23]
pigeons oh you're welcome [14:23]
bulanula thank you for helping :) [14:23]
pigeons the hard part should be over, next hard part is finding people to trade until you build a rep [14:24]
bulanula yeah but how come I am not here http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratings.php ? [14:25]
bulanula do i need to get rated first to get on there ? [14:25]
pigeons yeah i think so [14:25]
bulanula i am on here though http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php [14:25]
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Hunterbunter ;;ident hunterbunter [14:32]
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bulanula ;;eauth bulanula [14:37]
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bulanula_ ;;gpg everify bulanula [14:42]
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bulanula ;;gpg everify bulanula [14:45]
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bulanula ;;view bulanula [14:46]
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gazwel ;;guide [14:46]
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bulanula nice i authed then deauthed again [14:50]
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bulanula ;;guide [14:51]
gazwel Hi everyone, newbie here. Can someone explain to me how I would go about getting some bitcoin and how to avoid the fraudsters? I was told to come here in an email reply from someone at britcoin as they have a glitch in their system at the moment [14:51]
gazwel Don't all rush at once or anything :p hate asking as it makes me feel stupid but we all need to start somewhere [14:53]
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pigeons gazwel: ;;fraud [15:02]
pigeons gazwel: how many bitcoins are you looking for, and what method of payment do you propose? [15:02]
gazwel sorry was afk there [15:03]
pigeons this is irc bro, there will be delays ;) [15:04]
gazwel I am only looking for a small amount, 1.22 in bitcoin to be exact but I am obviously not sure if there is a minimum limit an if this would be too small. I am in the UK so whatever payment is easiest for you I can do [15:05]
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gazwel yeah been so long since I was on IRC, must have been around 2002 until the channel I used got shut down [15:06]
gazwel ;;fraud [15:07]
pigeons well it's a shame intersango (britcoin) is having a challenge. Paypal generally isn't accepted because of chargeback risk. Have you got paxum, liberty reserve, or okpay? [15:08]
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gazwel It is so difficult to get bitcoin for some reason :) I do not have any of those accounts, i tried to make a paxum one and they wanted me to enter details I dont have such as passport id number etc. [15:11]
gazwel sorry I know it must be a pain even listening to this, what would you recommend I use? [15:13]
benjamindees maybe try btcnearme.com [15:13]
gazwel I take it paypal would only be used for members who trust each other then? I see you have a good rating om the web of trust pigeons [15:13]
pigeons yes but the risk with paypal is for the seller of btc [15:14]
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pigeons uk is sepa zone right? [15:15]
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gazwel yeah I understand, I had an ebay shop for a few years and paypal are a pain in the ass. people just randomly ask for their money back and seem to get it for no vaild reason [15:15]
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pigeons gazwel: yes that's the basic problem, intensified a bit with bitcoins [15:15]
gazwel I had no idea what sepa zone was until I googled it there, I think we are according to wiki [15:17]
pigeons see if any of these exchanges appeal to you, you can do a free bank transfer possibly: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Buying_bitcoins#Major_Exchanges [15:17]
gazwel thanks mate, I will have a look. Also bejamin thanks as well for that link [15:17]
ocminer anyone wants to buy 20 btc for 120 ppusd ? [15:19]
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ocminer or 98 ppeur ? :) [15:19]
pigeons gazwel: i'll trade btc for old copies of warrior or 2000ad or tvaction/countdown etc [15:20]
Mindoogle i'm interested [15:25]
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Mindoogle how do i msg ppl on this [15:26]
Mindoogle do i need a real client? [15:27]
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Mindoogle ocminer hello? [15:28]
benjamindees /msg ocminer [15:28]
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seco Mindoogle, try a lin beginning with a slash for a command like this: /query ocminer [15:29]
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seco line* even [15:29]
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Coolio- need adderall bad [15:32]
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imsaguy2 <+vragnaroda> It is colder than a witch's titty right now. :-( <-- Just how old is a witch's titty? [15:56]
vragnaroda imsaguy2: Well, they're cold-blooded, so ambient (room) temperature. [15:57]
imsaguy2 <+gribble> Rating change | Old rating -10 | New rating: sturles > -10 > loca | Reversed PayPal transaction (17.46 USD). PayPal account: Kasimir Beuchel . Address: Bahnhofstrasse 7, 38300 Wolfenbüttel, Germany [15:57]
vragnaroda It's not a very meaningful expression if taken literally. [15:57]
imsaguy2 not at all [15:57]
imsaguy2 if a witch's titty is 'room temperature', then to remain colder than witch's titty implies the temperature is getting colder. [15:58]
imsaguy2 at some point, the trend will reverse and it will then be warmer than a witch's titty [15:58]
vragnaroda Well, if you're talking about the temperature indoors, sure, but I said outside. [15:58]
imsaguy2 what is said witch is outside? [15:59]
imsaguy2 what if* [15:59]
vragnaroda (Outside, where it is 7°F.) [15:59]
vragnaroda Why are you feeling a witch's titty outside? [15:59]
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imsaguy2 The same reason you're feeling it inside? [16:00]
imsaguy2 because you want to? [16:00]
imsaguy2 I love pointless IRC discussions in the morning. :) [16:00]
vragnaroda Anyhoo, it's fucking cold. [16:01]
pigeons sturles: sorry bout the bad paypal news [16:01]
pigeons do you still take new users, or have you had it? [16:01]
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ocminer anyone wants to buy 20 btc for 120 ppusd ? [16:03]
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bitfoo ocminer: I'll do it if you trust my PPUSD [16:11]
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bitfoo ocminer: can prove identity and affiliation (see hostname) if needed [16:23]
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ocminer bitfoo: sorry already sold [16:33]
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bitfoo ocminer: ok, next time then! [16:34]
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cel13 ;;guide [16:41]
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cel13 ;;help [16:43]
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VO i hope a greater number of people go short, i'm aiming for a short squeeze somewhere [16:49]
pirateat40 Looks like the wall maker took a strike at the bulls last night but failed. [16:52]
Joric it's absolutely impossible to short on bitcoinica now i mean look at it [16:53]
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Joric the highest sell price was 6.48 i've never seen it so far [16:54]
sturles pigeons: Not very much money, fortunately. He reversed the same minute I sent the coins. [16:54]
pirateat40 The bid side that low means people are loading up on the short [16:54]
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sturles I'll coinsider not selling to countries where personal payment is impossible. [16:55]
pirateat40 Yea, i heard you got sucker punched. [16:55]
cel13 does anybody even sell bitcoins via paypal ? [16:55]
pirateat40 Good thing it wasn't much, could have been worse. [16:56]
benjamindees people on ebay [16:56]
cel13 man, I just need some quick coins, I never though it would be so frustrating to get them [16:56]
sturles Btw, I hope the OTC trust gets high on googles page rank for "Kasimir Beuchel".. [16:56]
pirateat40 cel13, get a MoneyPak [16:56]
cel13 from where ? [16:56]
gazwel Can anyone tell me what the easiest to set up payment method is so I can buy bitcoin on here? I am in the UK if that makes a difference [16:56]
pirateat40 cel13, walmart, cvs [16:56]
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cel13 Im not from the US [16:57]
pirateat40 ouch [16:57]
cel13 sorry but what is cvs [16:57]
sturles gazwel: Check out Intersango. [16:57]
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pirateat40 cel13, the one guy I knew that took the risk for new people just got hit with a chargeback. [16:57]
sturles gazwel: Mtgox takes GBP as well, I think. [16:57]
vite morning [16:58]
cel13 damnit [16:58]
cel13 I've tried every damn service [16:58]
cel13 the only accepted payment processor these sites accept seem to be paxum [16:59]
cel13 which is horrible imo [16:59]
vite hey I was looking into the btc trading sites, I know they have some fee, just dont understand what they mean. Tradehill and MTgox both mention a trading fee schedule. how does that work? [16:59]
gazwel sturles thanks, I did register and check it out but I have problems with the account they want me to send the money to, they are asking for things my bank does not give me an option to do unless I choose international which will cost extra [16:59]
sturles pirateat40: This is the first chargeback, and I've done a lot of trades with newbies. I sell at 10% above market price, so I'm still on the plus side. Still sucks, of course, since all those small trades take time. [16:59]
pirateat40 sturles, agreed, could have been worse. [16:59]
cel13 sturles [17:00]
cel13 do you sell bitcoins for pp ? [17:00]
sturles cel13: Yes, up to one. [17:00]
cel13 uhm [17:00]
gazwel I would also like this if possible, I know how much PP sucks though having had an ebay shop for a few years [17:00]
cel13 just one [17:00]
vragnaroda ;;ident cel13 [17:00]
cel13 I need 3 [17:00]
sturles ;;tell cel13 [view 3563] [17:00]
Undeadlord Can I ask maybe what is a stupid question, if you are not mining it, why buy bitcoins? Just for bitcoin related purchases? [17:01]
sturles cel13: I can sell one if you identify with gribble. [17:01]
gazwel Do you only sell one at a time sturles or just one to each newbie altogether? [17:01]
cel13 any way to get more ? [17:01]
[eval] Undeadlord: what's the point of bitcoins if you can't buy things with them, or sell things for them? [17:02]
benjamindees Undeadlord, same reason you buy gold [17:02]
[eval] and one of the things you can buy/sell is fiat [17:02]
vragnaroda I'd think about it a bit more if .ee weren't so far away. (The ability to go to your house and beat you in case you scam me is a factor.) [17:02]
cel13 lol [17:02]
[eval] i sell fiat for bitcoins regularly :D [17:02]
[eval] some buy fiat with bitcoins regularly [17:02]
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cel13 ;;ident cel13 [17:03]
sturles Undeadlord: Because at distributed p2p currency idenepndant of national banks and infrastructure is the best thing since sliced bread, and you know you want some. [17:03]
gazwel there is a certain site that people spend bitcoins on as well [17:03]
[eval] there are many sites on which people spend bitcoins [17:03]
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cel13 actually more than just one site lol [17:03]
[eval] most of them do not sell illegal goods :P [17:03]
sturles gazwel: I may sell more when the user is rated (I don't rate until three days later). [17:03]
Undeadlord Ok, I kinda thought it was a "gold" like idea, not to spend it but invest and use an up and coming digital currency [17:04]
gazwel well i know there are more than one, what I meant is there is one very popular one [17:04]
[eval] Undeadlord: sure, but why would you buy gold when you can go and dig for it yourself, then? [17:04]
cel13 which one do you mean [17:04]
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gazwel although I am a complete newbie so I am probably taking shite [17:04]
pirateat40 Undeadlord, i use them to hide my wealth in case my wife wants a divorce. :) [17:04]
Undeadlord pirateat40: That is a pretty awesome idea :) [17:04]
vragnaroda Undeadlord: It is both a medium of exchange and a store of value. If you think it does more as a store of value in the foreseeable future, you will be sorely disappointed. [17:05]
Undeadlord [eval]: Well from what I have read mining doesn't seem to worthwhile [17:05]
pirateat40 "Your honor, im broke, check my accounts." [17:05]
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sturles Undeadlord: Most people who buy from me use it to buy stuff online. Yo do not want to reveal your identity to a VPN provider for instance. And people sell all kinds of stuff on the grey market. E.g. nice things in WoW from gold miners in the far east. [17:05]
benjamindees sounds like a business opportunity [17:06]
[eval] i disagree with vragnaroda; i think within 8 years (and more likely within 2-6 years), bitcoins will be worth many many times more than they are now [17:06]
[eval] so i am using them as an investment and store of value [17:06]
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cel13 how can i get myself identified [17:06]
Undeadlord [eval]: I like the idea of using it as a currency and a store of value, and I would love to mine my own, but doesn;t seem feasible [17:06]
sturles ;;tell cel13 [guide] [17:07]
vragnaroda [eval]: I think it's clear from that that you don't understand what I said so we'll just leave it at that. Don't hilight me again to mischaracterize what I've said. [17:07]
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[eval] vragnaroda: in that case, apologies for misinterpreting what you said. [17:08]
cel13 sturles, any way you could make an exeption and sell me more BTC ? [17:08]
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sturles cel13: No. It is far better if you find more sellers. Your trust will grow, and if you behave well you will soon find it easer to buy coins. [17:11]
gazwel ;;fraud [17:12]
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rg ;;ticker [17:29]
rg lol [17:29]
rg its exactly the same as the last time i checked [17:29]
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rg i think bitscalpler is just a frontend of bitcoinica [17:45]
rg hehe [17:45]
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pirateat40 lol [17:46]
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rg pirate: have you looked at bitscalper at all [17:48]
rg im contemplating putting the bitvps wallet in there [17:48]
rg but im scured [17:48]
pirateat40 Its 100% ponzi [17:48]
rg whats your proof [17:49]
pirateat40 Ill bet money on it [17:49]
rg so you have no proof [17:49]
pirateat40 If someone could make that much money scalping the market I would not have a site to have others do it. [17:50]
rg well 'that much' [17:50]
rg its not that much at all [17:50]
rg people are reporting 1% this week [17:50]
pirateat40 Its cause deposits are drying up. [17:51]
EasyAt Look at the FAQ: "This seems too good to be true, it is a scam?" Answer: "It's not a scam but a sophisticated trading tool that we spent months building. Try it and you won't be disappointed." [17:51]
Bigpiggy01Mining If you could do full cross currency arb apart from just scalping you could make a lot more [17:51]
rg i also gave them an opportunity to have 20ms from MtGox [17:51]
rg and they declined [17:51]
rg thats my one red flag [17:51]
rg anyone who was doing legitimate trading on mtgox would JUMP [17:52]
rg to have low latency [17:52]
pirateat40 rg, do you host them? [17:52]
rg it wouldgive you a real competitive edge [17:52]
EvanR ;;ticker [17:52]
rg no pirate [17:52]
rg i offered [17:52]
rg and they declined [17:52]
rg they have 100ms from mtgox [17:52]
EvanR well im glad bitcoin finally stabilized [17:52]
rg EvanR: i need 6.70 [17:52]
rg make it happen [17:52]
EvanR will never happen [17:53]
EvanR too stable [17:53]
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rg fine [17:53]
rg i see how it is [17:53]
pirateat40 im very surprised we didn't see a dump after that 5k head fake. [17:54]
gigavps morning [17:54]
vragnaroda lol @ bitscalper FAQ: “We choosen to protect our identity because in our Country Bitcoin-related business is considered a banking-like activity, and it's regulated. We do not hold any legal license to operate, hence our choice.” [17:54]
pirateat40 gigavps, morning [17:54]
vragnaroda IOW, “Fuck you; you have no recourse.” [17:54]
benjamindees isn't that the Bitcoinica disclaimer? [17:55]
rg its also not illegal to trade bitcoins [17:55]
rg in the US [17:55]
rg bitcoin isnt considered real money in the US [17:55]
rg so theres no laws against trading it [17:55]
rg its the same as trading pine coins [17:55]
rg cones* [17:55]
EvanR theres no laws against trading any money in US [17:55]
vragnaroda Essentially, yes. [17:55]
gigavps rg, it's illigeal to move tons of money around without the proper licenses [17:55]
rg EvanR: there are regulations [17:55]
gigavps it's called a "money services business" [17:56]
pirateat40 rg, more like walnuts. [17:56]
benjamindees not money, federal reserve notes [17:56]
EvanR heh 'digital federal reserve notes' [17:56]
rg illigeal? [17:56]
rg someone needs a cup of coffee [17:56]
rg :) [17:56]
rg i might buy some coffee from bitbrew [17:56]
rg anyone used them? [17:56]
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vragnaroda gigavps: There is no law requiring a license to move any amount of money around in the U.S. [17:57]
vragnaroda There are plenty of laws requiring licensure and reporting if you move around *other people's* money. [17:57]
gigavps vragnaroda: correct [17:57]
pirateat40 vragnaroda, yea, i was going to say. [17:57]
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vragnaroda If you want to fill up an 18-wheeler with cash and drive it across the country, that doesn't have to get reported. [17:57]
gigavps a money services business is a services for OPM [17:58]
benjamindees I know a guy who went down to the court clerk's office and asked why they accept Federal Reserve Notes as payment of fines when this is clearly unconstitutional. [17:58]
vragnaroda Have fun filling out the paperwork when you go to deposit it at your new bank, though. ;) [17:58]
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EvanR reminds me of that story of the dude who crashed his car on the interstate while transporting a fuck ton of bank notes [17:59]
EvanR police were 'recovering' money from the woods for weeks [17:59]
hackerman2 ;; eauth hackerman2 [17:59]
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gigavps vragnaroda: the banks are required to know every piece of personal information to obtain a bank account these days [18:01]
rg yeah [18:01]
hackerman2 Hi all. Anyone who wants to sell BC. I have liberty reserve to sell. [18:01]
rg i originally opened my bank account with a birth certificate and a social sec card [18:01]
rg now you need proof of address, photo id (state issued no school ID) [18:01]
rg proof of social sec [18:02]
rg etc [18:02]
EvanR social security as 'national ID' pisses me off [18:02]
vragnaroda gigavps: Not every piece of personal information. [18:02]
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vragnaroda There's plenty of personal information they don't have. [18:02]
mircea_popescu a bank clerk once asked even for that! [18:02]
mircea_popescu she was cute tho so i didnt mind. [18:02]
gigavps vragnaroda: have you opened an account in the last couple of months? [18:02]
vragnaroda gigavps: Yes. There are only some types of personal information they ask for. [18:03]
rg i thikn a social sec card is about the easiest peice of acceptable ID [18:03]
rg to fake [18:03]
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rg you could photo copy a social sec card and it would look real [18:03]
vragnaroda They do not ask about vaccinations, heredity, sexual preference or history, distinguishing tattoos, languages spoken, favorite color or drink, etc. [18:04]
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vragnaroda Those are all personal information they do not ask for. [18:04]
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helo maybe at your bank [18:06]
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EvanR the only problem with providing personal information is that they get pissy if you change your mind later [18:07]
EvanR 'oh my birthdate has changed thx' [18:07]
EvanR RAAAAGE [18:07]
EvanR everyone should be free to have alternate identities [18:08]
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benjamindees I had to remove a pin number from my phone account because I noticed the idiots were printing it on my bill. [18:09]
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benjamindees it took calling and yelling at their support on four separate occasions to finally get it removed [18:10]
vite fb profilve vite_vega [18:10]
benjamindees this is the world most people live in... Bitcoin is not secure... but printing your password and mailing it to you every month is. [18:13]
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EvanR also [18:15]
EvanR passwords consisting of 4 digits [18:16]
EvanR also [18:16]
EvanR i just registered a pin at the storage place [18:16]
EvanR 4 digits, AND no duplicates allowed [18:16]
EvanR lol [18:16]
benjamindees stringent [18:16]
EvanR no [18:17]
EvanR i cant pick the same combo as another customer [18:17]
EvanR lol [18:17]
benjamindees this is for like the main gate or something I assume [18:17]
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EvanR yah [18:17]
benjamindees and I'm guessing they let you know when you've picked one that's already taken... [18:18]
jjjrmy EvanR: that's 10^4 [18:18]
EvanR well they have to [18:18]
jjjrmy possible combinations [18:18]
EvanR jjjrmy: yes, ridiculously small [18:18]
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jjjrmy and isn't the point to not know other people's pin? [18:18]
benjamindees exactly [18:18]
EvanR heh [18:19]
EvanR yeah [18:19]
jjjrmy because you'd know if when you have to pick it. "I'll take 1234" "sorry, that's taken" [18:19]
EvanR yes [18:19]
EvanR lol [18:19]
jjjrmy then you know you can use 1234 and not be logged when yo ucome in. [18:19]
EvanR i also just remember the code the tour guide pressed when he opened the gate [18:19]
rg okay sent out my service suspension emails [18:19]
rg time to suspend some services [18:19]
jjjrmy rg: why? [18:19]
rg cause this is american god damn it [18:20]
rg if you get a service [18:20]
rg you have to pay for it [18:20]
rg america* [18:20]
jjjrmy rg: oh, so it's just people who didn't pay? I thought they did something bad. [18:20]
rg nah [18:20]
rg we dont even have abuse issues [18:20]
rg cause i screen clients [18:20]
rg youd be surprised what you can find out from a simple 'hello' email [18:20]
jjjrmy how? [18:20]
jjjrmy 'hello' email? [18:21]
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rg right [18:21]
jjjrmy what is that? [18:21]
rg hello, im james from bitvps i was just wondering [18:21]
rg you just ask questions [18:21]
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rg anyone up to no good will make themselves known [18:21]
jjjrmy okay, ask me the questions? [18:21]
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benjamindees do they sign their e-mails with their royal title or something? [18:22]
rg its not hte questions that matter [18:22]
mircea_popescu god that sounds annoying [18:22]
rg its thier answers and how they answer [18:22]
EvanR rg: id like to run a tax evading drugs gambling and prostitution site [18:22]
jjjrmy uhh, that's weird. [18:22]
rg well [18:22]
rg the gambling is fine [18:22]
EvanR lol [18:22]
rg drugs no, hookers, maybe [18:22]
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rg if you operate out of the state of nevada [18:22]
rg and have proper documentation [18:22]
rg ill host it [18:22]
EvanR your service is lame sauce [18:22]
jjjrmy rg: where are you servers located/ [18:22]
mircea_popescu what if he operates out of somalia. [18:22]
rg chicago and dallas [18:23]
EvanR or congo [18:23]
mircea_popescu but mostly somalia. [18:23]
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rg somalia? [18:23]
rg thats fine [18:23]
rg thats not my problem [18:23]
mircea_popescu right. actually a somali datacenter sounds like a bright ideea [18:23]
jjjrmy so guys, I have 7 monitors, what do? [18:23]
seco According to a (typical?) feedback on people who abuse the system (e.g. http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=loca) is there a command i acn issue to gribble like ";;fraud Kasimir", if i trade with a new identity (new key, new login), but he tells me his name for legitimation? [18:23]
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mircea_popescu um not rly seco. [18:24]
rg jjjrmy: get rid of them and get one big one [18:24]
rg and use an OS which can utilize virtual desktops [18:24]
rg like i do [18:24]
jjjrmy rg: what OS? [18:24]
rg any linux OS will support it [18:24]
INeedBitcoin any1 from TR ? [18:24]
rg cause its X11 [18:25]
jjjrmy rg: Well I need a GPU to support all the monitors [18:25]
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rg right [18:25]
rg but [18:25]
rg you dont need it [18:25]
rg if you use virtual desktops [18:25]
rg i use desktop 1 for Bitcoin client, pidgin and IRC [18:26]
seco thats what i thought: one enters all info you have on the abusive transaction (see sturles), but the db is not searchable after this, in case Kasimir messages me with another account [18:26]
rg desktop 2 is email [18:26]
rg desktop 3 is www [18:26]
rg and desktop 4 is related to bitvps [18:26]
jjjrmy rg: yes, but I need a GPU to plug in all the monitors. [18:26]
rg no.. [18:26]
rg you dont [18:26]
rg you dont need all those monitors [18:26]
jjjrmy yes I do [18:26]
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rg ok then youre on your own [18:27]
rg cause i have 4 virtual desktops [18:27]
INeedBitcoin anyway im new on bitcoin system can i buy some btc with my credit card? [18:27]
rg on 1 monitor [18:27]
rg INeedBitcoin: no [18:27]
rg ;;tell INeedBitcoin [guide] [18:27]
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INeedBitcoin tx [18:28]
INeedBitcoin ;;guş [18:28]
INeedBitcoin ;;guide [18:28]
seco INeedBitcoin, this is direct trading between people here: you need to find someone who offers bitcoins for cc payment. There are a few ppl in here, but i cant remember :-/ [18:28]
rg we pretty much all offer it [18:29]
rg but you have no trust [18:29]
INeedBitcoin yes you right [18:29]
INeedBitcoin how can i gather your trust? [18:29]
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jjjrmy INeedBitcoin: by selling Bitcoins mostly. [18:29]
rg or buying [18:29]
rg with a normal method [18:30]
INeedBitcoin normal method means sending cash money? [18:30]
seco INeedBitcoin, by doing transaction using saver ways for the other party until you gained a bit trust for such risky ways to pay :) [18:30]
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INeedBitcoin i understand [18:31]
seco rg you might tell me in query what service you registered at for accepting payment by creditcard? - im just interested :) [18:32]
seco heard a few bad things about okpay.com ... [18:32]
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INeedBitcoin rated [18:33]
INeedBitcoin rated Ineedbitcoin [18:34]
INeedBitcoin rate rg 10 [18:34]
INeedBitcoin ;;rate rg 10 [18:34]
EvanR SKETCHY [18:35]
EvanR lol [18:35]
INeedBitcoin im sorry dude [18:35]
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seco ;;later tell nanotube got a feature-request >>seek db on a feedbackstring<< for gribble: Look at http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=loca : It would be nice to have a cmd like >>;;fraud Kasimir<< which returns this feedback, if one gets messaged by a new 0-rated user who claims being Kasimir for e.g. a sepa-transaction (where you def. need some information on the other Parties name) [18:39]
seco guess i missed the right trigger? :D [18:39]
seco ah :) [18:40]
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pirateat40 seco, you don't like ;;getrating? [18:42]
rg seco: i dont accept credit cardes [18:43]
rg and if im absolutely forced to, i use paypal [18:43]
EvanR so if you are forced to use cc, you seppuku? [18:43]
rg i dont speak bukaki [18:44]
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seco pirateat40, nope, since that would never give me that -10 feedback out [18:44]
rg im not your mother [18:44]
pirateat40 seco, so you want gribble to spit out the whole rating history? [18:44]
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seco rg, no problem i neither wanted to pay with; im just curious what service companies people use here :) [18:44]
EvanR blackwater [18:45]
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seco pirateat40, a link with the username where the feedback matched "Kasimir" would have been enough (probably limiting the output to 3 users or such, not to accidently give out the whole db like you mentioned *g*) [18:46]
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rg SOPA [18:56]
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seco ;;later tell nanotube limiting output of the feedback-search to just say "we found this information on a feedback of the following user: loca,...", or "there is no feedback indicating this user seemed to have done fraudster", limiting the userlist for the output to lets say 5 users would be enough: anyone whos confidental information is distributed to more then 5 feedbacks is definitely not trustable derp-100x100.png derp-560x207.png derp.png dork-100x100.jpg dork-560x302.jpg dork.jpg logs2.txt logs3.txt logstory.txt logs.txt psychology-and-psychiatry-100x100.jpg psychology-and-psychiatry-560x315.jpg psychology-and-psychiatry.jpg tangent-maybe-100x100.jpg tangent-maybe-560x242.jpg tangent-maybe.jpg tara-tara-10-560px.jpg tara-tara-10.jpg tara-tara-11-560px.jpg tara-tara-11.jpg tara-tara-12-560px.jpg tara-tara-12.jpg tara-tara-13-560px.jpg tara-tara-13.jpg tara-tara-14-560px.jpg tara-tara-14.jpg tara-tara-15-560px.jpg tara-tara-1-560px.jpg tara-tara-15.jpg tara-tara-16-560px.jpg 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* vragnaroda come la sopa cuando tiene hambre. [18:56]
SinNombre ;;guide [18:56]
seco pirateat40, now more clear what i mean? [18:57]
pirateat40 seco, it just seems like you are lazy [18:57]
pirateat40 :( [18:57]
rg imsaguy and i have the same cvv2 [18:57]
rg weird [18:57]
rg what a silly precaution [18:58]
seco pirateat40, imagine someone comes to you saying his name is Kasimir: how could you tell he seems to be an abuser if he uses a new gpg-key, and a new account? [18:58]
seco ...and a new nick... [18:58]
pirateat40 lol [18:58]
pirateat40 one sec [18:59]
* pirateat40 is now known as NewToBitcoin [18:59]
NewToBitcoin Hi, [18:59]
NewToBitcoin I need some coins for bitcoin [18:59]
NewToBitcoin Have paypal [18:59]
NewToBitcoin Ill pay $10 each. [18:59]
NewToBitcoin Just registered with gribble [18:59]
NewToBitcoin new ratings yet [18:59]
NewToBitcoin my name is Peter [18:59]
rg doh [18:59]
NewToBitcoin Anyone? [18:59]
rg i said my joke in the wrong channel [18:59]
seco you know 0; you do not know -10 [18:59]
rg hAI i need to coin 4 bitcoin lul [18:59]
rg 4 silkroad [19:00]
vragnaroda NewToBitcoin: *my name is is piotr [19:00]
rg hahehaehahe [19:00]
vragnaroda Do it right. [19:00]
NewToBitcoin lol [19:00]
NewToBitcoin seco, go ahead and check me out.. [19:00]
NewToBitcoin Im legit [19:00]
NewToBitcoin Peter is my name. [19:00]
NewToBitcoin Search your new tool. [19:00]
EvanR too legit to quit [19:00]
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* NewToBitcoin is now known as pirateat40 [19:01]
pirateat40 man that guy was a pain. [19:01]
pirateat40 He kinda acted like this old scammer i knew. [19:01]
seco if someone uses "Peter" on a paypal account, it is lot harder to change this fact on a new account, then to register a new one with a different name at Paypal, and link bank account etc to get the money(!) [19:02]
rg graet [19:02]
rg is that your real pic on bitcointalk? [19:02]
pirateat40 seco, there are a lot of if's in that statement. [19:03]
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imsaguy2 pirateat40, I only see 1 [19:04]
imsaguy2 :p [19:04]
pirateat40 WoT is a guide to common sense. We have a lot of smart people here that check ip blocks and other things to find scammers. [19:04]
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* seco just wanted to honor sturles effort to identify a scammer: this feedback is useless for me if i cannot reach it by the data he entered :-/ [19:05]
pirateat40 Now an alert that says.. This user is using the same IP as Jon Doe (-24) would be nice. [19:05]
seco shure: even better if it would be added behind the feedback-search output :-) [19:06]
pirateat40 logged ips of a user [19:06]
EvanR pirateat40: an alert to just you, not him ;) [19:06]
EvanR that way they dont know whats going on [19:06]
pirateat40 to the room [19:06]
EvanR no [19:06]
pirateat40 not seen by him [19:06]
pirateat40 :) [19:07]
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imsaguy2 how about gribble just uses ninja skills and bans scammers before they scam? [19:07]
EvanR if its 'everyone but him' then his alt identities and scam friends will see it [19:07]
pirateat40 like /msg #channel -JonDoe [19:07]
pirateat40 if it could ever be done. [19:07]
seco pirateat40, it would be a logged host as seen here on irc: nothing confidental: in my case it would always be a cloak: better then nothing if it comes to pretending he is me! [19:07]
EvanR that relies on the assumption that everyone but him is on our side [19:07]
imsaguy2 -pirateat40 pirateat40 is a real clown sometimes. [19:08]
EvanR if you scare him away then you cant reverse scam him! [19:08]
pirateat40 why did my screen just go blank [19:08]
phraust HACKS [19:08]
* seco is not talking about a problem not being in NP :-/ [19:09]
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seco imsaguy, this is possible to a bounded percentage: just ask http://www.spamhaus.org/ with the ip-address gained from the hostname of a current nick (in case it has some)... then add some analysis like normal spamfilter do: its up the the users-client to decide if a "30% SPAM" is scam for him or not... [19:12]
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EvanR quickly write a gui in visual basic to take a screenshot of his IP [19:13]
SinNombre can anybody tell me how do I decrypt that otp message [19:13]
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EvanR gpg [19:14]
rg hopefully these 15 ips last me a while [19:14]
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SinNombre gpg application in my pc, or here on this channel ? [19:14]
SinNombre what is the exact command [19:14]
rg ;;tell SinNombre [guide] [19:15]
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SinNombre I am reading the guide right now, the channel wants the decrypted version of that long key right ? [19:16]
seco SinNombre, it depends on your possibilities, but in the worst case you could save the message which will be shown to you at http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/<> to file.txt, and do a gpg --decrypt file.txt on your pc [19:17]
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seco ;;tell seco [guide] [19:18]
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SinNombre oh okay, that makes sense, but why is this the worst case [19:18]
seco well it seems that is the wrong link; try to follow http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication#GPG_authentication [19:19]
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seco about spamhaus: at least i would not use paypal, if ;;fraud Kasimir would tell me a 30% ...but in the case mentioned above it could -after a single iteration over the db- output 100%. [19:24]
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seco and add "in honor of sturles"... [19:26]
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rg spamhaus are not to be trusted [19:40]
rg they like to think theyre the police of the internet [19:40]
rg and have been known to block IP's by their agenda [19:41]
rg not due to violations [19:41]
seco thats a reason why one relays on percentage, and the decision is left the the end-user client (e.g. the common authed user at OTC) [19:43]
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vite i wonder if max keiser is here [19:45]
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Coolty ;;ticker [19:48]
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rg rawrmage [19:49]
rawrmage rg [19:49]
rg i will repay your loan in am inute [19:49]
rawrmage k [19:49]
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