Forum logs for 20 Feb 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3VHHZ30.txt	[00:01]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1XCZRz4 )	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	awww	[00:02]
asciilifeform	try not to laugh to death, aha.	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	as you say, sop.	[00:03]
asciilifeform	in other news, blocks that take my trb nodez 5-10 min. to verify have become sop.	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron> is it a gamble? what was risked? << bb is just butthurt he didn't buy	[00:15]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: re: earlier thread, p. 134 of turd has a chart, claims 1,084 usgrasty applicants with breakdown of why rejected	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[00:20]
asciilifeform	or, hm, first chart is 'issues' and second 'serious' (i.e., disqualifying) issues.	[00:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00056125 = 4.1813 BTC [+]	[00:28]
asciilifeform	'There are three forms of employee commitment that may apply to commitment to country as well: affective (emotional: ― I feel good when I see the flag), normative (obligation: ― I belong here) and instrumental (no other option: ― I’m here because I have no choice).' << l0ltr0nic	[00:31]
asciilifeform	'People want to be here, but why? Polling data suggest that the reasons are mostly instrumental (public funds, ease of travel), with only 17 percent expressing an affective reason.'	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	mcdonalds is still the cheapest food people who only speak english can purchase.	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	plus it comes in a variety of coatings, from burito to what's that other thing.	[00:39]
asciilifeform	moar lulz:	[00:39]
asciilifeform	'The challenge: what is “financially over-extended” today? It is more common now than before, and debt has become the norm. We have to take financial situation into consideration and be flexible; otherwise, almost no one will qualify for a security clearance if we aren’t careful. We can’t ignore it, but need to consider the reasons for it. Before there may have been clear indicators but today	[00:39]
asciilifeform	people are losing jobs and there’s more challenges to survive.'	[00:39]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: mcmuffin	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	so i guess they dropped it to 5% more recently ?	[00:39]
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danielpbarron	!up dbclk	[00:53]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55850 @ 0.00056126 = 31.3464 BTC [+]	[00:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40724 @ 0.0005588 = 22.7566 BTC [-]	[01:46]
BingoBoingo	Hooked on Monkey Phonics https://archive.is/kF9nz	[01:51]
assbot	LIVE! Core developers are trying to corrupt a coalition of miners with black magic! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/2149hJv )	[01:51]
pete_dushenski	https://youtu.be/HH8PM5QN9OE << more gross americanists	[01:52]
assbot	Guy Eats In-N-Out Like An Absolute Maniac - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/2149sV7 )	[01:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47251 @ 0.00056361 = 26.6311 BTC [+] {2}	[01:54]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2016/02/fbi-iphone-circle-jerk-theater/#comment-46740	[02:01]
assbot	FBI iPhone Circle Jerk Theater \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/2149XhL )	[02:01]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54150 @ 0.00056205 = 30.435 BTC [+] {2}	[02:23]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50250 @ 0.00056407 = 28.3445 BTC [+]	[02:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87800 @ 0.00055854 = 49.0398 BTC [-] {2}	[02:46]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89400 @ 0.00056941 = 50.9053 BTC [+] {2}	[04:05]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00056978 = 32.2495 BTC [-]	[05:03]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15740 @ 0.00056078 = 8.8267 BTC [-]	[06:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27452 @ 0.00056078 = 15.3945 BTC [-]	[06:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64587 @ 0.0005609 = 36.2268 BTC [+]	[06:17]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5805 @ 0.00056525 = 3.2813 BTC [+]	[06:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7361 @ 0.00056978 = 4.1942 BTC [+]	[06:39]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40259 @ 0.00055963 = 22.5301 BTC [-] {3}	[07:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00055787 = 15.1741 BTC [-]	[07:33]
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punkman	[HKmtg]To Everyone: We have CONSENSUS! In April we get SW, 3 months later, core HF code ready	[09:23]
punkman	https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/700958953656561664	[09:25]
punkman	https://twitter.com/snowden/status/700823383961792512 snowden join the apple circlejerk	[09:27]
punkman	in other robo-lawyer news http://www.businessinsider.com/joshua-browder-bot-for-parking-tickets-2016-2	[09:31]
assbot	Joshua Browder's Bot for parking tickets - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1XDCtBE )	[09:31]
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punkman	aww http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35620368	[09:54]
assbot	Italian writer Umberto Eco dies at 84 - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1XDE0aT )	[09:54]
mircea_popescu	aww	[09:59]
fluffypony	:(	[10:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53350 @ 0.00056078 = 29.9176 BTC [-] {2}	[10:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 190200 @ 0.00055866 = 106.2571 BTC [-] {3}	[10:24]
shinohai	T_T	[10:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 198477 @ 0.00056702 = 112.5404 BTC [+] {2}	[10:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30164 @ 0.00056818 = 17.1386 BTC [+]	[10:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3290 @ 0.00056861 = 1.8707 BTC [+]	[10:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.0005693 = 17.1359 BTC [+] {2}	[11:08]
asciilifeform	eco!	[11:21]
asciilifeform	who is even left, now, who was anything, culturally.	[11:22]
asciilifeform	in other western civ nyooz,	[11:22]
asciilifeform	http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35611906?post_id=1162541470438167_1353583394667306	[11:22]
assbot	Sex with animals remains banned in Germany as legal bid fails - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qr8EV6 )	[11:22]
mircea_popescu	what's the jew's name	[11:24]
mircea_popescu	chomsky	[11:24]
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asciilifeform	l0l, he's a...	[11:27]
asciilifeform	sorta like zhirinovsky	[11:27]
asciilifeform	pet opposition	[11:27]
asciilifeform	https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnARobles/status/700938057105678336/photo/1 << wut	[11:28]
assbot	Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOiCCl )	[11:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25166 @ 0.00055787 = 14.0394 BTC [-] {2}	[11:28]
punkman	want https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_garlic_%28food%29	[11:31]
assbot	Black garlic (food) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qr9uBt )	[11:31]
punkman	http://anarchadia.com/2013/10/14/edward-snowden-is-mark-zuckerbergs-cousin/	[11:35]
assbot	EDWARD SNOWDEN IS MARK ZUCKERBERG’S COUSIN - Anarchadia - Underground Anarchism Since 2010 ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOjmam )	[11:35]
punkman	I'm picturing a bum shouting "EDWARD SNOWDEN IS MARK ZUCKERBERG’S COUSIN" at people in a park	[11:38]
mircea_popescu	i have like eight dozen cousins, and this is counting just the ones i shouldn't be fucking.	[11:40]
mircea_popescu	what's such a bigdeal about cousinage ?	[11:40]
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asciilifeform	;;later tell BingoBoingo: https://cryptome.org/2016/02/usg-apple-001-009.pdf << part2 of crapple l0ltron	[12:09]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[12:09]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1VuDGd8 )	[12:09]
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shinohai	./Classic:0.11.2/ 985 nodes - (16.02%)	[12:10]
shinohai	There is a Classic node running on "The Municipal Communications Utility of the City of Cedar Falls, Iowa" 24.149.8.238:8333	[12:12]
asciilifeform	what happened to the other ~1000 ?	[12:13]
shinohai	maybe they couldn't keep all the aws instances up.	[12:14]
asciilifeform	aws went up a penny? sooo sad	[12:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80953 @ 0.00055787 = 45.1613 BTC [-]	[12:15]
asciilifeform	i still don't grasp why the ph0rkerz can't simply ask hitler for real machines / actual bandwidth	[12:15]
mircea_popescu	shinohai> There is a Classic node running on "The Municipal Communications Utility of the City of Cedar Falls, Iowa" 24.149.8.238:8333 << write the boss and ask. sounds like a decent qntra piece.	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	"classic running on stolen infrastructure - perpetrator reprimanded"	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform because a) hitler doesn't have them and b) hitler is not stalin, to answer every ivanov dick and harry.	[12:20]
asciilifeform	what, bot-herding directorate had hdd crash?	[12:21]
asciilifeform	(b) i can see, but ph0rkatron is what if not ordered by the fuhrer?	[12:22]
mircea_popescu	fuhrer orders many things, pays for few or none.	[12:24]
mircea_popescu	what, turkey didn't get ordered to suicide ? what, you think anyone pays for it ?	[12:24]
asciilifeform	it gets 'paid' in not-set-on-fire?	[12:26]
mircea_popescu	pfff.	[12:26]
mircea_popescu	that is entirely in the derp's head. but i do mean entirely.	[12:27]
asciilifeform	every fire is in the head until not, sorta how it works, or bag men would all have empty bags	[12:29]
asciilifeform	and what, after syria usg is out of matches?	[12:30]
mircea_popescu	yeah. meanwhile us army can't actually face turkish army, so there is that.	[12:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00055945 = 18.7416 BTC [+]	[12:31]
asciilifeform	usg can turn their - or any other nato bitchdom's - air defenses off with one button.	[12:31]
mircea_popescu	notrly, the turks have a lot of russian stuff too.	[12:32]
mircea_popescu	and apparently even the very little syria had was ample	[12:32]
asciilifeform	ru will helpfully switch off the ru boxes	[12:32]
asciilifeform	nobody loves the poor turkz.	[12:32]
mircea_popescu	pretty sad really.	[12:33]
asciilifeform	aha!	[12:33]
asciilifeform	like last time.	[12:33]
asciilifeform	in 1918	[12:33]
mircea_popescu	or to quote http://trilema.com/2015/continut-platit-no-more/#selection-137.473-137.622	[12:33]
assbot	Continut platit no more. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VuGeI8 )	[12:33]
asciilifeform	oh forfuxxsake	[12:34]
asciilifeform	how do i view the thing??!	[12:34]
asciilifeform	on what.	[12:34]
asciilifeform	vax?	[12:34]
mircea_popescu	don't tell me it magically doesn't work again ?	[12:34]
asciilifeform	aha	[12:35]
mircea_popescu	now how the fuck does this happen, it's not changed since when you said ti worked days ago ?!	[12:35]
mircea_popescu	http://archive.is/ssbyP#selection-171.473-171.622 < does that work ?	[12:35]
assbot	Continut platit no more. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VuGt5Q )	[12:35]
asciilifeform	~this~ works.	[12:37]
mircea_popescu	nuts.	[12:37]
asciilifeform	the one that worked, worked on a crapple box.	[12:37]
asciilifeform	'chrome'	[12:37]
mircea_popescu	and right now ?	[12:38]
asciilifeform	the archive link works on 'chromium'	[12:38]
asciilifeform	but not on crapple	[12:38]
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mircea_popescu	...	[12:38]
asciilifeform	i have nfi.	[12:38]
*	mircea_popescu dreams of one day having a fucking html document presentation stack that allows this to work.	[12:39]
mircea_popescu	it's the one innovation since a href that's worth having.	[12:39]
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asciilifeform	ted nelson described it in ~1970	[12:40]
asciilifeform	!s transclusion	[12:40]
assbot	0 results for 'transclusion' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=transclusion	[12:40]
asciilifeform	hm.	[12:40]
asciilifeform	!s xanadu	[12:40]
assbot	6 results for 'xanadu' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=xanadu	[12:40]
mircea_popescu	good for him so where is it.	[12:41]
asciilifeform	nowhere, he got openbsd'd.	[12:41]
asciilifeform	(don't even bother looking at the thing that got 'released' a few yrs back.)	[12:41]
asciilifeform	nelson is an interesting case of failed inventor, i have all of his published materials here and studied very carefull	[12:42]
asciilifeform	y	[12:42]
asciilifeform	at one point, after decades of futile crackpottery, he made phriends with some money fella and actually got funded, but turned out that this did not help	[12:43]
mircea_popescu	aha ?	[12:43]
asciilifeform	'brogrammers' frittered away the funds, whole thing collapsed in a giant black hole of mismanagement, graft, and varied charlatanry	[12:43]
mircea_popescu	it rarely helps.	[12:44]
mircea_popescu	giving money / cunt / whatever to "engineer" minded idiots is a monumental waste.	[12:44]
asciilifeform	he was not equipped to birth the thing with own hands	[12:44]
asciilifeform	(not that anyone would have given money for that)	[12:44]
asciilifeform	money is 'given' so that you can 'buy 200 mil of ads from arsebook, who gave it' as per mircea_popescu's article.	[12:45]
mircea_popescu	but in other news, /me is looking forward to reinstated phyctor	[12:45]
asciilifeform	me too	[12:45]
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asciilifeform	~6G occupied by trb on dulap after 40 days. nb.	[12:56]
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mircea_popescu	!rate gaxaro 1 Euloran	[13:04]
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mircea_popescu	!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.gaxaro.1:d3988c802eaefea702616d83201ea61045b6ddd590ef3129643656c8b3dd2dd3	[13:04]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for gaxaro with note: Euloran	[13:04]
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BingoBoingo	Someone gets it http://qntra.net/2016/02/fbi-iphone-circle-jerk-theater/#comment-46764	[13:15]
assbot	FBI iPhone Circle Jerk Theater \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQG1Lp )	[13:15]
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pete_dushenski	https://c1.oliveoiltim.es/library/ucd-2010-report.pdf << costco is one of the few mega-corps who doesn't cheat on what they call 'extra virgin' olive oil.	[13:20]
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BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Or was better at not getting caught	[13:22]
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pete_dushenski	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6i8Xmi0Y20 << i can't tell if this is from 2008 (as listed as 'upload date') or 1977. white chalk on green blackboard and modest indian lecturer are timeless!	[13:22]
assbot	Lecture 36 ROM-EPROM,EEPROM and Flash EPROM - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQGMEh )	[13:22]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: like crapple	[13:23]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: crapple or anyone else big enough to put on a show for the people	[13:23]
pete_dushenski	'lights, camera, craption!'	[13:24]
mircea_popescu	lol	[13:24]
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mircea_popescu	in other news, the things yo ugotta do to get girl to tan without lines : http://41.media.tumblr.com/9a9f5cebcfbd61915ef997e9a9eade88/tumblr_mxrzq2yiwW1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg	[13:25]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QQH0ez )	[13:25]
punkman	she'd get tan lines from the chains tho	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	there is no escape!11	[13:26]
punkman	clear plastic chains!	[13:27]
mircea_popescu	still block uv	[13:27]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410670 << more like gets paid in "we iz ko-moo-nitee"	[13:27]
assbot	Logged on 20-02-2016 15:22:47; asciilifeform: it gets 'paid' in not-set-on-fire?	[13:27]
pete_dushenski	feelings as currency - worth ~usd at this point	[13:27]
mircea_popescu	payment in feelers!	[13:27]
mircea_popescu	in which field eulora is again one step ahead - you can literally ask to be paid in feelings.	[13:28]
pete_dushenski	dingdingding	[13:28]
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mircea_popescu	they're really cheap, too	[13:29]
pete_dushenski	'best price for you, my friend'	[13:30]
mircea_popescu	lol	[13:30]
*	BingoBoingo is just starting to confront the magnitude of crapple stockholm syndrome on that qntra's comments	[13:30]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410727 << is today the big day ?	[13:30]
assbot	Logged on 20-02-2016 15:42:01; mircea_popescu: but in other news, /me is looking forward to reinstated phyctor	[13:30]
mircea_popescu	fingers crossed	[13:31]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: possibly.	[13:31]
asciilifeform	likely to soak up all of tomorrow too.	[13:32]
pete_dushenski	well, break a leg out there	[13:33]
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asciilifeform	in other nyooz,	[13:35]
asciilifeform	https://cryptome.org/2016/02/nyt-usg-16-0219.pdf << preeeeeeet!	[13:35]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QQI02u )	[13:35]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: if cupertino syndrome can happen to alf... what hope is there for the common man ?	[13:35]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: i don't crapple off the clock, normally	[13:35]
pete_dushenski	iph0ne1`11!!!	[13:35]
pete_dushenski	'infinite loop syndrome' works too	[13:36]
pete_dushenski	(apple's hq is located at #1 infinite loop in cupertino ca)	[13:37]
pete_dushenski	looks like we'll hit block 400`000 this weekend eh	[13:38]
BingoBoingo	We have synthesis apparently https://archive.is/gtO5a	[13:39]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QQIplj )	[13:39]
pete_dushenski	;;ticker	[13:39]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 435.3, Best ask: 435.31, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 435.36, 24 hour volume: 23935.00095199, 24 hour low: 417.57, 24 hour high: 437.58, 24 hour vwap: None	[13:39]
pete_dushenski	^and liftoff	[13:39]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: typical 'tree tweaks' (tm) (r)	[13:40]
asciilifeform	megatonnes of crapolade in blox for week+ now	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[13:57]
BingoBoingo	Apparently code 3 months, trigger at least 1 year+ from now, but negotiations apparently ongoing	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	they can "negotiate" until they fall over.	[14:01]
BingoBoingo	Still, theater	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	the unmitigated audacity of schmuckdom never fails to astound.	[14:02]
pete_dushenski	no wonder the roman republic distrusted actors	[14:03]
pete_dushenski	bbiab. farmer's market.	[14:03]
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BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all --currency rmb	[14:05]
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gribble	BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2890.15, vol: 55196.55160000 \| Volume-weighted last average: 2890.15	[14:05]
BingoBoingo	!up micheieh	[14:05]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, situation reminds me of the time some derpy vc schmucks flew over to asia to "save mtgox consensus".	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	i suppose the sort of vermin will die believing in their own relevancy.	[14:08]
BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: Apparently reddit is racis https://archive.is/MRvO0	[14:15]
assbot	NO BLACKS ALLOWED IN THE BITCOIN SPACE! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1SHGO7t )	[14:16]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60700 @ 0.00057184 = 34.7107 BTC [+] {2}	[14:42]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 4.50000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b70	[14:48]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Rises Above 163 Billion - http://qntra.net/2016/02/bitcoin-mining-difficulty-rises-above-163-billion/	[14:52]
punkman	alphago bet back to even odds eh	[14:53]
asciilifeform	need moar reddit coinz	[14:56]
BingoBoingo	This is bullish for alf wallet	[14:56]
punkman	any idea how many cpus/gpus alphago will use in the match?	[14:56]
asciilifeform	maxint	[14:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 266483 @ 0.00057215 = 152.4682 BTC [+] {5}	[14:58]
punkman	has anyone done a computer-assisted human player go tournament?	[15:00]
asciilifeform	punkman: nope. isn't chess, computer doesn't help.	[15:00]
punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-01-2016#1387284 btw all I've read said no handicap	[15:02]
assbot	Logged on 27-01-2016 23:48:23; ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387121 << the sc4mz0rz neglect to mention that the wins were in handicap games	[15:02]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Tampa Police Refuse To Work Plus Sized Star's Event After Insult - http://qntra.net/2016/02/tampa-police-refuse-to-work-plus-sized-stars-event-after-insult/	[15:05]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80477 @ 0.000573 = 46.1133 BTC [+] {2}	[15:23]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.QNTR] 14675 @ 0.00023316 = 3.4216 BTC [-]	[15:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83700 @ 0.00057339 = 47.9927 BTC [+]	[15:49]
asciilifeform	http://visual6502.org/JSSim << in other oldies.	[15:51]
assbot	Visual 6502 in JavaScript ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOMH4u )	[15:51]
asciilifeform	http://visual6502.org/JSSim/expert.html << even better.	[15:52]
assbot	Visual 6502 in JavaScript ... ( http://bit.ly/1mOMIFG )	[15:52]
BingoBoingo	!t m s.qntr	[15:55]
assbot	[MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00023316 / 0.00023536 / 0.0002676 (16150 shares, 3.80 BTC), 7D: 0.00023316 / 0.00040735 / 0.00049913 (54640 shares, 22.26 BTC), 30D: 0.00023316 / 0.00040332 / 0.00049913 (197184 shares, 79.53 BTC)	[15:55]
asciilifeform	PHYSICAL simulation of the thing, based on photographed and ocr'd dies, with animation.	[15:56]
BingoBoingo	holy shit	[15:57]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: neat	[15:59]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/letters-from-the-stupid-country/ << your girls?	[15:59]
assbot	Letters from the stupid country on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mONzWN )	[15:59]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: written in browsercrud even. imagine what could be done on an ~actual~ comp	[16:00]
ben_vulpes	simulate a whole computer, shock, awe	[16:03]
asciilifeform	was thinking re: how 'moore's law', even in its heyday, did not substantially affect the inflation-adjusted COST of having a chip baked	[16:05]
asciilifeform	because, at least partly, the latter represents 'capital allocation', or as mircea_popescu's article put it, 'a thing we can't all be doing'	[16:05]
asciilifeform	(the nre cost is what i'm speaking of)	[16:05]
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ben_vulpes	masks and shots were never terribly affected by moore's law itself	[16:06]
asciilifeform	nor the meat labour	[16:07]
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asciilifeform	and if anything, the relevant tooling operations are now ~rarer~, more involved, costlier, the qualified folks - fewer.	[16:07]
ben_vulpes	subject of meat labor, i was slamming the 27-year old baristas some staffer was browsing on tinder last night and someone made the hilarious comment that bunnies are just as hot-swappable as baristas	[16:07]
ben_vulpes	"what it takes 6 months to train a barista from nothing, and 6 months to make a useful process tech!"	[16:08]
asciilifeform	it takes ~16 yrs. to make a process tech.	[16:08]
asciilifeform	starting from zygote.	[16:08]
asciilifeform	if you think '6 mo' it is because someone did this work for you, for phree	[16:09]
ben_vulpes	i'm not even talking about the incubating	[16:09]
ben_vulpes	i'm talking about attention to detail, understanding wtf is happening, why the suit is a necessary thing, why the sticky pads at each door...	[16:10]
mod6	email got snarffed	[16:10]
ben_vulpes	but perhaps i only ever worked in environments of rarefied tech capabilities	[16:10]
ben_vulpes	we were making probes	[16:10]
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ben_vulpes	and then there's the economic differences: barista can dream of what -- going on tour? owning their own coffee shop? writing a best selling memoir about...running a coffee shop and going on tour?	[16:11]
ben_vulpes	process tech at least can hold out hope they'll move into mgmt if they go to night school and get that b.s.	[16:11]
mod6	both emails snarffed.	[16:16]
mod6	jurov: do you see any issues on your side? my signed email verifies, etc, everything looks good from my side. ^	[16:16]
mod6	anyway, im gonna move on until I know more re: ^	[16:16]
jurov	yes it's likel, i updated glibc, then i said to myself might as well update whole system	[16:18]
jurov	will check	[16:18]
mod6	ALL: the website has been updated with the newest V [v99995]	[16:19]
mod6	TMSR TESTERS: I need 5 confirmations that you can build this: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh	[16:22]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1mOPSt7 )	[16:22]
jurov	O.o postfix/smtpd[8072]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms... on it	[16:22]
mod6	Once we have confirmation, we can update the wiki -- this needs to happen TODAY.	[16:22]
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mod6	gernika, shinohai, ben_vulpes, asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, hanbot, et. al. ^	[16:23]
ben_vulpes	aha	[16:23]
ben_vulpes	mod6: i was actually looking for tha	[16:23]
ben_vulpes	man fuck weechat's half-assed implementation of emacs/readline input controls	[16:24]
ben_vulpes	oh thank god	[16:24]
ben_vulpes	it's the weekend	[16:24]
ben_vulpes	i can close xcode	[16:24]
phf	you know what has non hasl-assed implementation of emacs/readline input controls? erc :]	[16:24]
ben_vulpes	phf: no bullllyyyyyy	[16:25]
phf	b-a is ma safe space	[16:25]
ben_vulpes	phf: i actually don't want irc in emacs	[16:25]
mod6	thanks jurov	[16:25]
ben_vulpes	very distracting when it comes to getting work done.	[16:25]
ben_vulpes	smpt SASL << wut	[16:26]
phf	yeah, i agree actually	[16:26]
ben_vulpes	phf: i tried for a very long time with erc in a seperate emacs instance running on a server as a bouncer, and the constant muscle memory confusion over the subtle differences between emacs-in-terminal and emacs-with-gui drove me up a wall	[16:26]
phf	i was thinking of maybe disabling all chat notifications.. something i wanted to look into. i spend workweek twitch checking irc	[16:26]
jurov	mod6 looks like it's fixed, my test email went through.... check whether your email was queued	[16:34]
jurov	whether it needs to be resent	[16:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00057339 = 15.6249 BTC [+]	[16:39]
shinohai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410851 <<< on it	[16:39]
assbot	Logged on 20-02-2016 19:19:00; mod6: TMSR TESTERS: I need 5 confirmations that you can build this: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh	[16:39]
mod6	thanks shinohai	[16:41]
mod6	jurov: ok thanks, i'll hvae to resend later.	[16:41]
jurov	about a monh ago one dude offered to do the web submission form... was not heard since :(	[16:42]
pete_dushenski	mod6: what are the differences between 99995 and 99996_2 ?	[16:43]
mod6	it's in the email that was snarffed.	[16:44]
mod6	but, instead, I'll just give you some links that outline the changes in the beta emails	[16:44]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92800 @ 0.00056927 = 52.8283 BTC [-] {2}	[16:44]
mod6	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000209.html	[16:44]
assbot	[BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1nOoTzm )	[16:44]
mod6	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000210.html	[16:45]
assbot	[BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta 2 - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1oqqg7a )	[16:45]
mod6	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000211.html	[16:45]
assbot	[BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta 3 - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xs3JTm )	[16:45]
mod6	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000212.html	[16:45]
assbot	[BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta 4 - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tnh3YL )	[16:45]
mod6	pete_dushenski: if you want an actual vdiff of the changes, refer to BETA 4 email, the latest is contained.	[16:46]
pete_dushenski	aha. cheers!	[16:46]
mod6	actually.	[16:47]
mod6	99996_2 is not a V release -- it is a 'build-bitcoind' script version.	[16:47]
mod6	and the difference between 99996_2 and 99995 build scripts is nothing more than updating the SHA512 for V-20160220.tar.gz and the name of the tarball.	[16:48]
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mod6	but yah, anyway, the differences between V [v99996] and [v99995] are outlined in the above emails, and ya, the last one [beta 4] has a complete vdiff between the too.	[16:54]
mod6	s/too/two	[16:54]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410853 << wai wut where was this ??	[16:55]
assbot	Logged on 20-02-2016 19:19:15; jurov: O.o postfix/smtpd[8072]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms... on it	[16:55]
jurov	on a mail server	[16:56]
pete_dushenski	mod6: cool :D	[16:56]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410851 << this builds ancient ver	[16:58]
assbot	Logged on 20-02-2016 19:19:00; mod6: TMSR TESTERS: I need 5 confirmations that you can build this: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh	[16:58]
asciilifeform	i mean wut, no malleus ?	[16:58]
asciilifeform	no verstring	[16:59]
asciilifeform	etc	[16:59]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1405198	[16:59]
assbot	Logged on 13-02-2016 23:22:01; mod6: oh, because the leaf ordering is different. if you want a press of "all" patches as they exist in the mirror, currently, you need to press up through asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch	[16:59]
asciilifeform	hm	[16:59]
asciilifeform	why ?	[16:59]
asciilifeform	imho the scripts such as this should make it ~clear what will be pressed~	[17:00]
asciilifeform	from reading with naked eye.	[17:01]
jurov	mod6: trying under gentoo, v.pl complains "/.wot directory does not exist."	[17:01]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: i agree. but user can 'read tin' on which there is a label, or just check 'patches' folder once built	[17:03]
asciilifeform	no good	[17:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54837 @ 0.00057339 = 31.443 BTC [+]	[17:03]
asciilifeform	for one thing, no label	[17:03]
pete_dushenski	on mailing list ? but ya, i'm stretching mod6's position, one i don't totally grok myself	[17:04]
asciilifeform	for other, we have a number of these sh floating around and this is maddening	[17:05]
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asciilifeform	but the main thing is, i'm now inclined to agree with mircea_popescu : pressing 'to head X' is ill-specified.	[17:07]
asciilifeform	gotta nail down the workingset used.	[17:07]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410879 << this is urgently needed	[17:09]
assbot	Logged on 20-02-2016 19:39:11; jurov: about a monh ago one dude offered to do the web submission form... was not heard since :(	[17:09]
asciilifeform	i have maybe a dozen things i ought to sign	[17:09]
asciilifeform	but i simply cannot stomach turdatron any more.	[17:09]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: in my admittedly meagre understanding of v, the working set is determined by the .wot set, no ? and isn't this about http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-02-2016#1404304 ?	[17:09]
assbot	Logged on 13-02-2016 02:06:58; mircea_popescu: trust people, not code.	[17:09]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: you still have to specify the patch set	[17:10]
asciilifeform	it has to come from somewhere.	[17:10]
asciilifeform	and right now the situation is ridiculous.	[17:11]
phf	i have an untested uploader, takes a vpatch and a seal, lets through only a valid vpatch/seal combination. i don't think this exhaustively covers what we need though, and is also written for cmucl/araneida which is not giving me best of reliability.. http://btcbase.org/upload	[17:11]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1L1rIqB )	[17:11]
asciilifeform	where do i put a patch so that everybody ~immediately~ sees it ?	[17:11]
phf	^-	[17:11]
asciilifeform	that arm looks familiar...	[17:12]
phf	oh shit, scratch that, i just checked the code it's not actually saving it anywhere :)	[17:15]
asciilifeform	lol	[17:16]
asciilifeform	ideally patch hopper oughta deedbot also.	[17:16]
asciilifeform	and work in channel.	[17:16]
phf	much wip	[17:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61100 @ 0.00056711 = 34.6504 BTC [-] {3}	[17:18]
asciilifeform	?	[17:18]
ben_vulpes	pressing to a head should simply recurse to the root of that head	[17:19]
ben_vulpes	i have always said this.	[17:19]
ben_vulpes	one thing and one thing only.	[17:19]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: breaks parallel leaves	[17:19]
asciilifeform	ergo useless.	[17:19]
jurov	asciilifeform: i know! but haven't i asked like thousand time what is deedbot going to do with attachments?	[17:19]
ben_vulpes	explain the use of parallel leaves?	[17:19]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: do you want the motherfuckng db lock fix omitted from your build?!	[17:20]
asciilifeform	think for a minute.	[17:20]
ben_vulpes	ah shit that has no descendents?	[17:20]
asciilifeform	while looking at the graph	[17:20]
asciilifeform	jurov: nfi	[17:21]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: ok ok	[17:22]
asciilifeform	but this must be made to work.	[17:22]
ben_vulpes	press an explicit set of leaves?	[17:22]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: that would work	[17:22]
ben_vulpes	ugh mod6 does this thing actually kill my terminal session when it dies?	[17:23]
asciilifeform	i intended this originally	[17:23]
phf	have a list of patches that are to be pressed made manually?	[17:23]
*	phf ducks	[17:23]
asciilifeform	phf: you don't need vtron for this, go use bare hands	[17:24]
phf	therein lies the joke	[17:24]
BingoBoingo	!b 2	[17:24]
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asciilifeform	hey if you recall, this was actually goodenuff for me	[17:25]
asciilifeform	i wrote v because mircea_popescu and hanbot cried	[17:25]
ben_vulpes	mod6: didja run off?	[17:26]
asciilifeform	and threatened to take up cvs or whatnot savagery	[17:27]
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ben_vulpes	savagery lol	[17:27]
ben_vulpes	french toast is what shall be delivered, bbl	[17:27]
ben_vulpes	mod6: script does not work for me, complains about mismatched hashes	[17:27]
ben_vulpes	also murdered my terminal session	[17:27]
phf	mod6: is there a genesis for your v vpatch chain?	[17:28]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23585 @ 0.00057355 = 13.5272 BTC [+]	[17:32]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[17:33]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 441.0, vol: 10280.57093863 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 436.85, vol: 9604.34192 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 443.5, vol: 42088.37363383 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 440.0, vol: 3.10639532 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 449.785266, vol: 60682.98270000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 440.38, vol: 1025.55959755 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 440.855667, vol: 92.03321959 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[17:33]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[17:33]
gribble	445.829871266	[17:33]
BingoBoingo	^ Spread is suspicously tight. Where did the China premium go?	[17:33]
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ben_vulpes	mod6: i am still getting this with build-bitcoin-v99995.sh: gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!	[17:44]
ben_vulpes	previous hash mismatches appear to be something wacky with this gentoo vm on my macbook	[17:45]
*	ben_vulpes throws up hands in disgust	[17:45]
ben_vulpes	going to have fun running that the fuck down.	[17:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54769 @ 0.00056887 = 31.1564 BTC [-]	[17:49]
phf	favorite gpgme error, "err-no-error"	[17:53]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes: do you have buildroot dood's dsa sig in your gpg keyring ?	[18:02]
pete_dushenski	*dsa key	[18:02]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-01-2016#1390869	[18:03]
assbot	Logged on 31-01-2016 07:13:38; assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 05:43:08; phf: gpg: key 59C36319: public key "Peter Korsgaard " imported	[18:03]
ben_vulpes	pete_dushenski: i'd expect an entirely different error should that have been the case	[18:12]
ben_vulpes	and yes i have it in my keychain	[18:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19472 @ 0.00056897 = 11.079 BTC [+] {2}	[18:13]
ben_vulpes	that's right, that part of the build scripts runs with the user gpg keychain	[18:14]
ben_vulpes	STATE	[18:14]
ben_vulpes	AUGH	[18:14]
pete_dushenski	lol	[18:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.0005686 = 25.9282 BTC [-] {2}	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410806 << computer assisted dating, also.	[18:24]
assbot	Logged on 20-02-2016 17:56:45; punkman: has anyone done a computer-assisted human player go tournament?	[18:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92700 @ 0.00056646 = 52.5108 BTC [-] {3}	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410834 << starbux barrista probably takes one week on on the workplace.	[18:26]
assbot	Logged on 20-02-2016 19:04:49; ben_vulpes: "what it takes 6 months to train a barista from nothing, and 6 months to make a useful process tech!"	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	what "train"	[18:26]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: no i did not go into each idiocy in depth	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410869 << stop trying to resist the lure of the b-a commissariat!	[18:29]
assbot	Logged on 20-02-2016 19:22:54; phf: yeah, i agree actually	[18:29]
mod6	ok did a build on my gentoo with 'build-bitcoind-V99995.sh' and looks fine: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4889056 Feb 20 21:24 bitcoind	[18:32]
mod6	ben_vulpes, shinohai, jurov	[18:33]
mod6	let's get some pastes and see what's goin on here.	[18:33]
ben_vulpes	just dumb shit mod6	[18:33]
mod6	<+phf> mod6: is there a genesis for your v vpatch chain? << not until i finally get this thing working.	[18:33]
mod6	ben_vulpes: are you saying that it doesn't work? or that it was just that you didn't have whatever rando guys' key in your keyring?	[18:34]
ben_vulpes	no, just that i keep seeing that error.	[18:34]
ben_vulpes	and that i suspect gpg means to convey that it is not actually checking the sig.	[18:34]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: http://45.media.tumblr.com/d94a622dacfd972d5214c5bc590c8d46/tumblr_nnwbfyaOd41tpspkgo1_500.gif	[18:34]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/20M9dbF )	[18:35]
jurov	mod6: http://dpaste.com/3W7EQM4	[18:35]
assbot	dpaste: 3W7EQM4: V99995 ... ( http://bit.ly/20M9dZd )	[18:35]
mod6	ben_vulpes: ok. lemme check on mine.	[18:35]
mod6	ugh. im so tired of this fucking shit.	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes aha ?	[18:35]
ben_vulpes	mod6: i don't think the file hashing mismatch is worth digging into	[18:36]
ben_vulpes	i suspect it has to do with mounting a filesystem into a vm	[18:37]
mod6	mine doesn't do that at all.	[18:37]
ben_vulpes	blows up on the .gitignore which iirc is an empty file	[18:37]
mod6	i have not seen that in the MONTH of testing that i've been doing.	[18:37]
ben_vulpes	mod6: well you're not trying to mount a fs from a mac into a gentoo vm i don't think	[18:37]
mod6	shinohai: you saw something similar too right?	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	mod6 love computers yet ? :D	[18:37]
mod6	i hate computers. yes.	[18:37]
mod6	kill them all.	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	:)))	[18:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99316 @ 0.00057126 = 56.7353 BTC [+] {2}	[18:38]
deedbot-	[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] How to be a pimp – a simple yet understandable and still exhaustive guide, translated. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/20/how-to-be-a-pimp-a-simple-yet-understandable-and-still-exhaustive-guide-translated/	[18:38]
mod6	these godddam fucking cocksuckers are going to give ole mod6 a heart attack.	[18:38]
pete_dushenski	;;later tell gabrielradio my turn on your turn is live. thanks for the assist :)	[18:39]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[18:39]
jurov	let's come play eulora instead and watch few bitcents of stuff go poof !	[18:39]
mod6	<+jurov> mod6: trying under gentoo, v.pl complains "/.wot directory does not exist." << create your .wot in the same dir that you place the build script, create a log of your findings, and see what happens plz.	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	jurov noob just turned 1 adze + 30 threads into 40k.	[18:39]
mod6	<+asciilifeform> but the main thing is, i'm now inclined to agree with mircea_popescu : pressing 'to head X' is ill-specified. << ok but how should this work	[18:40]
ben_vulpes	mod6: see the rest of the thread. provide an explicit list of leaves to press.	[18:40]
jurov	mod6 did "cp -rp ~/.wot ." , same result	[18:41]
mod6	i can't do this.	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	uh	[18:41]
mod6	this is too much work for one guy.	[18:41]
jurov	it insists on having .wot in /	[18:41]
mod6	we need someone to maintain a V that makes sense.	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	mod6 take it easy for a second, will you ? nopanic!	[18:41]
pete_dushenski	mod6: breathe !	[18:41]
mod6	jurov: the changes to V look for .wot and .seals in the pwd.	[18:41]
jurov	mircea_popescu: why are you telling me that?	[18:42]
mod6	is your pwd / ?	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	i thought maybe you wanted to know where your cents went!	[18:42]
jurov	mod6 see the paste - no it is not.	[18:42]
*	mod6 looks	[18:42]
mod6	why in the world do I work on shit for a month, post betas all the way, and then we hit these issues now?	[18:42]
pete_dushenski	mod6: fwiw i'm endlessly appreciative of the work you've done thus far. you make noobing trb possible :)	[18:43]
mod6	jurov:	[18:43]
mod6	ok, so first, get rid of this crud	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	mod6 it's seriously how it happens. same thing with eulora and everything else.	[18:43]
mod6	"LC_ALL=C LANG=C"	[18:43]
mod6	then place .wot in "/data/juro/btc/V99995"	[18:44]
mod6	if it is, then there might be some sort of issue. i'll have to dig in to that. can you try maybe just clearing everything and trying again?	[18:44]
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shinohai	mod6 the .gitignore comes from not removing the old directory	[18:45]
mod6	what old dir?	[18:45]
mod6	please start clean on this.	[18:45]
jurov	mod6 i have somalian locales, but with or without them it's the same result	[18:45]
mod6	new build dir, the whole 9	[18:45]
jurov	cleaned up eveything, there is now only .wot and build-bitcoind-V99995.sh, same result	[18:45]
shinohai	if you have a rotor dir and try to run script it fails.	[18:46]
mod6	yup	[18:46]
mod6	ok clean.	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410922 << would we do me the favour and quote me when we agree with me like this as i have nfi what this is. also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410930 <<< what stupid shit is this! specify THE PATCH SET ? fu! you mean specify the wot and the genesis ?	[18:46]
assbot	Logged on 20-02-2016 20:03:57; asciilifeform: but the main thing is, i'm now inclined to agree with mircea_popescu : pressing 'to head X' is ill-specified.	[18:46]
assbot	Logged on 20-02-2016 20:07:06; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you still have to specify the patch set	[18:46]
ben_vulpes	mod6: testing cycle in #b-a is slow as sin	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	i ain't specifying no list of patches wtf.	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes really ? i thought it was pretty fast for an actual test cycle ?	[18:47]
mod6	ben_vulpes: yah, and when you're testing in production, this can't be a thing.	[18:47]
mod6	this is the worst of all worlds.	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410927 << if you send them to me ima mail them o.O	[18:47]
assbot	Logged on 20-02-2016 20:06:20; asciilifeform: but i simply cannot stomach turdatron any more.	[18:47]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: only if "actual test cycles" only means "#b-a test cycles"	[18:48]
ben_vulpes	and yes, things are getting faster.	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	mod6 im telling you , dunno if you read that log or not : you need a separate testing genesis.	[18:48]
mod6	until we finally get a test branch and so on and so forth, this stuff has to be ~perfect~ or we've got zip	[18:48]
BingoBoingo	Oh, the urls that lead spam nowadays http://dpaste.com/0NXTYK4.txt	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	the pointer in that convo is currently at http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-02-2016#1408041 but do read the prev.	[18:48]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/20MaK1D )	[18:48]
assbot	Logged on 17-02-2016 05:22:12; mircea_popescu: punkman well, let's see what the others say. i faintly dislike the idea on morale grounds, but it's not the end of the world	[18:48]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: not a list of patches a list of leaves	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes no fucking list of anything. genesis item and wot.	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	wtf!	[18:49]
ben_vulpes	"i want everything necessary for malleus and db locks"	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	i never said that.	[18:49]
ben_vulpes	did i say that you did?!	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	who are you quoting then ? or what is that ?	[18:49]
phf	asciilifeform said that	[18:50]
ben_vulpes	what one might say to a V implementation.	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	one who is broken in the head may say that.	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	the only sane thing to say to V is "i want the bitcoin as these gentlement think it is best "	[18:50]
ben_vulpes	then press to a release patch, fin.	[18:50]
ben_vulpes	what you and i need from V diverge.	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	does what i and you need from a hammer also diverge ?	[18:51]
ben_vulpes	unless you expect it to be only and ever a release tool and not a tool for people actually working on the thing to use in their workflow.	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	it seems somewhat improbable that you'll be using your penis for both making children and doing your plumbing.	[18:52]
ben_vulpes	you - want to sink nails. i want to pull them out occasionally.	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	but in this i may be wrong.	[18:52]
ben_vulpes	perhaps i am laboring under the misapprehension that v should be useful for something other than putting software on mircea_popescu's box	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	should bitcoin also be useful for something more other than ~dependably~ keeping track of moneyz ?	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	perhaps... to help african children ? or other groups dear to our hearts ?	[18:53]
ben_vulpes	i want to press specified patch sets without doing so by hand.	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	good! fine!	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	and you want emacs to i dunno what ! who's keepin ya!	[18:54]
ben_vulpes	you will get a release patch and you will press to it. there is your hammer.	[18:54]
ben_vulpes	there is the "bitcoin as these gentlemen"	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	i don't like you enough to prefer you over the exactly equivalent windows release process just because your name is ben vulpes not bill gates.	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	the idea is to have diverse coder process, and a lot of fuckign toi land trouble on tghe coders, for maximal output quality.	[18:55]
mod6	jurov: this is what i'm seeing on my gentoo fwiw: http://dpaste.com/37164CX.txt	[18:55]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1SIg6LM )	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	the idea is exctly NOT to have coder comfort and sanity at the expense of "this is the user's script"	[18:55]
mod6	im not sure why yours is saying that.	[18:55]
jurov	mod6 `pwd` returns nothing on my machine /o	[18:55]
mod6	then your machine is hosed.	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	jurov that's a new one ?!	[18:56]
ben_vulpes	how is this "user's script" not precisely the windows release?	[18:56]
mod6	ok, i haven't eaten in like nearly 2 days. so im gonn walk away and get a bite.	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes that's what i said.	[18:56]
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*	mircea_popescu realises that the enthusiastic approval was merely intellectual, and code monkey habits will die fucking hard in the best intended of people. o brother, what we have before us.	[18:57]
ben_vulpes	try like i'm five, the windows comparison is shorting me out	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes i've been sitting here trying to get this in saner terms.	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	let's use this angle : do you understand what i mean in that ancient article about how coherence in the wot is the worst attack on the wot ?	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	which is why things such as "official best policy for X" never even got to the discussion phase, as i've always torpedoed it ?	[19:01]
ben_vulpes	from 'how the wot is attacked'?	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[19:01]
ben_vulpes	so bear with me: how is 'v' not groupthink incarnate?	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	your v apparently is. hence my windoes comment.	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	but V itself is not, at all.	[19:03]
*	ben_vulpes is hit by a particularly unpleasant revelatory wave	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	hence it's not as much what we "want" from our tools per se. merely what we expect them to be	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	ie, it's easy to pick on alf about his enamourement with the mental-usg, mostly because he's so "naively" open and upfront about it.	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	but the insanity is found in all heads.	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	and subtle - which is to say just subtle enough to avoid detection by the head it sits in.	[19:05]
ben_vulpes	i should simply expect misery from you every time i bring up the topic of how a v might work then?	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	in any case - v, as any new coin, has to get diversely seeded so it may survive, which is the scary step before us right now.	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	mno, ideally we'll discuss this to the point we are happily getting it	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	but understand that in any perspective, there's something fundamentally broken with telling V "press me this list of nodes". conceivably it may be useful as a graph-debugging tool, but it is not a v-ism.	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	it is in fact the llvm-ing of the v.	[19:08]
*	ben_vulpes fully adrift now, without even a sun to tell east from west	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	;/	[19:09]
ben_vulpes	the turning of a compiler which should simply ingest code and shit elfs into a developer-centric tool?	[19:10]
ben_vulpes	'code monkey' excuse me	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	mno. the enveloping of a tool which by its functioning and nature guarantees a free world into a sufficient wall so as to be safely operated by the opposite.	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	i understand that the pressure to say "oh it's the weekend can turn xcode off" EVERY SINGLE FUCKING WEEK is well driven psychologically.	[19:12]
ben_vulpes	i am not well versed enough in the history of gcc and llvm to understand this.	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	do understand that it is simply not acceptable in new things.	[19:12]
BingoBoingo	More "history rhymes" https://archive.is/5ya5Q	[19:13]
assbot	And as for actual WordPress pingbacks .... you should probably switch 'em off • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1SIiemI )	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes well i dunno how to better approach this. how about you construct syllogisms and we see where it takes us ?	[19:13]
mod6	alright gentlemen.	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo note how they STILL WON'T FIX THE MOTHERFUCKING HOLE. instead, how about to destroy more of the interconnected nature of the web ? "automattic got usg's back - turn off other people and only talk to disqus!!1"	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	asswipes.	[19:17]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Yup	[19:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101610 @ 0.00056522 = 57.432 BTC [-] {2}	[19:17]
mod6	I'm gonna eat something, probably overly hangry here.	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	really mod6 no reason to get worked up.	[19:18]
mod6	if you encounter any issues, let's do what jurov did and dpaste 'em, we'll get through this one step at a time tonight.	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	you're doing very well in everyone's estimation, your deadline is self imposed, not the end of the world.	[19:18]
mod6	thanks mircea_popescu. I'm doing my best -- I need to get us in a non-disjointed situation, hence the self-imposed deadline here.	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	yeah but simmer down atlas. we want you to live longer than the road there.	[19:19]
mod6	Ok. Will do, Sir.	[19:20]
mod6	Thanks for everyone taking the time, I know it's not pain-free with some of this stuff yet.	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410932 << ridiculous is not a reason to go back to the fucking insane asylum!	[19:21]
assbot	Logged on 20-02-2016 20:07:44; asciilifeform: and right now the situation is ridiculous.	[19:21]
ben_vulpes	thanks mod6, no need to kill yourself driving at 90mph	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	actually ben_vulpes it occurs to me, maybe the following description of final state is helpful :	[19:23]
ben_vulpes	i'm still trying to cook up a syllogism over here	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	moe finds bitcoin in 2056, long after the republic prevailed, through his gf at the time. he steals her script, copies her .wot directory and now has a node!	[19:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68650 @ 0.00056839 = 39.02 BTC [+]	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	he decides he wants to add three lines of code to bitcoin. what HE does, in republican world, is write those lines of code, sign them, add his own sig in the wot and voila.	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	the girl, upon visiting, notices this, likes the functionality, and either a) signs herself or b) imports his sig in her wot.	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	depends how good the fucking was. a) is more discrete.	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	people in the senate floor of the most serene republic notice the silly things the kids are doing in bed these days and lo! ben_vulpes signs it, which makes that snipped suddenly go into a bunch of servers.	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	or maybe phf rebases it into a change of his and signs that.	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	CONTRARY to this sane process, in the empire alt-universe, may it piss in its own eyes,	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	guy tries to find the "source of power" by doing inane wikipedia-level shit, then tries to make friends with the people and put his fucking code in, to FORCE it upon the fucking userbase.	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	now : list of nodes necessarily maintains some sort of portion of alt-universe.	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	and i really don't want any of it to survive.	[19:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00056839 = 8.9521 BTC [+]	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	the important parts here being that v does away with the concept of developer control over code ; and with the concept of code ownership ; and instead introduces the concept of signature-driven responsibility.	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	and you may NEVER say to any user "your program is not working correctly because you've not given tyhe developer enough control over it". this is anathema, and the source of the "llvm-ization" comment.	[19:29]
ben_vulpes	strictly a release tool for the free world, then.	[19:34]
ben_vulpes	old habits do die hard.	[19:34]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41850 @ 0.00057355 = 24.0031 BTC [+]	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	it hastabe. there's nothing wroing with you running anything you wish, to help in any manner you choose, and even distribute it on its own v line	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	but it can't be what it is today, "please update your autoupdater now!"	[19:36]
ben_vulpes	heh	[19:37]
ben_vulpes	i think that i understand the windows comment now	[19:37]
ben_vulpes	;;later tell mod6 b-b-...5.sh works fine on something approaching a sane computer	[19:39]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[19:39]
jurov	mod6 i have rebuilt my perl, now it fails to verify against 59C36319	[19:43]
jurov	which is Peter Korsgaard uclibc pubkey	[19:44]
jurov	when i imported it into my gpg keyring and reran, it goes	[19:45]
ben_vulpes	jurov: yes, this script uses the user keyring	[19:45]
ben_vulpes	how this came to be i do not know	[19:46]
phf	"i, ordained computron mircea lifeform, in the year of our republic 1932, having devoted three months to the verification of checksums, with my heart pure and my press clean, sit down to transcribe vee patch ascii_limits_hack, signed by the illustrious asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes and all saints."	[19:48]
jurov	!b 1	[19:50]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	point taken, but it is unavoidable.	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	laugh if you will, laugh if you must, do what must be done and not an iota less.	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	the zombie world entirely exists out of that iota less.	[19:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117576 @ 0.00057027 = 67.0501 BTC [-] {3}	[19:57]
BingoBoingo	HARD FORK SEGWIT https://archive.is/KMCyW	[20:00]
assbot	Bitcoin Roundtable Consensus — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1ReMx1c )	[20:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52222 @ 0.00056455 = 29.4819 BTC [-]	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	alrighty then, for the n-th fucking time, this blabla.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	Kevin Pan, Anatoly Legkodymov, Larry Salibra, Leonhard Weese, Cory Fields, Johnson Lau, Matt Corallo, Peter Todd, Kang Xie,	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	Phil Potter, Valery Vavilov, Alex Petrov, Jihan Wu, Micree Zhan, James Hilliard, Yoshi Goto, Alex Shultz, Bobby Lee, Samson Mow, Robin Yao, Obi Nwosu, Mark Lamb, Wang Chun, Marco Streng, Marco Krohn, Wu Gang, Adam Back, Jack Liao, Jack Liu and Guy Corem are to be negrated on sight.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	nobody is to use AntPool, A-XBT, Bitfinex, BitFury, Bitmain, BIT-X Exchange, Blockcloud, BTCC, Coinfloor, F2Pool, HaoBTC, Ledger, LIGHTNINGASIC & BitExchange, OKCoin or Spondoolies-Tech for any purpose under any circumstances, or ever hire anyone who ever worked there.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	and with that... see you on judgement day, derps.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	buncha posturing fucktards.	[20:06]
BingoBoingo	EMBARGO! which spelled backwards is O GRAB ME	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	no idea who the fuck uses any of that crap anyway, but w/e.	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	i will get around to bricking antpool/f2pool out of business before i'm done with this life, though.	[20:08]
*	BingoBoingo can't wait for halving	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	are any of those schmucks in the wot even ?	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?search=adam+back&fingerprint=on&op=index << random example. not a single proper key in sight. fucktard.	[20:13]
assbot	Search results for 'back adam' ... ( http://bit.ly/1ReNIxR )	[20:13]
BingoBoingo	I dunno.	[20:13]
BingoBoingo	Caught one https://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=BlueMatt&sign=ANY&type=RECV	[20:15]
assbot	Rating Details for User 'BlueMatt' ... ( http://bit.ly/1ReNM0g )	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	!rated bluematt	[20:15]
assbot	You rated user bluematt on 06-May-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: one of the very few dudes in -dev actually doing something useful..	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	!rate bluematt -1 historically respectable bitcoin tester, recently joined forces with known scammers a la Luke-Jr and assorted nobodies in a doomed if lulzy effort to break bitcoin.	[20:16]
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mircea_popescu	!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.bluematt.-1:e5351e13fcfcf737a1944692afd5b18ff3da8f9f5ab758e6dc9ab246f4ecbbe1	[20:16]
assbot	Successfully updated the rating for bluematt from 1 to -1 with note: historically respectable bitcoin tester, recently joined forces with known scammers a la Luke-Jr and assorted nobodies in a doomed if lulzy effort to break bitcoin.	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	!rated petertodd	[20:16]
assbot	You rated user petertodd on 01-May-2013, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: the gift cert expert..	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	!rate petertodd -1 random schmuck with bizarre pretensions.	[20:17]
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mircea_popescu	!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.petertodd.-1:6215861df810e25c971f9be4c49a19e89ca1076647faa992dc03014663b0e207	[20:17]
assbot	Successfully updated the rating for petertodd from 2 to -1 with note: random schmuck with bizarre pretensions.	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	!rated pgp	[20:20]
assbot	You have not rated pgp.	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	!rate pgp -1 random schmuck with bizarre pretensions.	[20:20]
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mircea_popescu	!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.pgp.-1:03a52b052a85fd5c2db64a8c3c246194af63db19e1c77048045f7077602e6f15	[20:20]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of -1 for pgp with note: random schmuck with bizarre pretensions.	[20:20]
BingoBoingo	!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.bluematt.-1:f55911525410a89ff1abb6645bfa7c0129b365c610a03b0f1df6b5f406605ce3	[20:21]
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BingoBoingo	!v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.petertodd.-1:b32d91457d6e7248c0ec9c9637bc394334bf33bbcdd0db0c776e16937f70f509	[20:22]
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mircea_popescu	"Bobby Lee (n. San Diego, California, 17 de septiembre de 1972), es un actor y comediante estadounidense". mkay.	[20:23]
jurov	mod6 it did compiled!	[20:28]
BingoBoingo	Luke-Jr: "Because the cost of increasing the limit is lower than the benefits of peace/not constant fighting and showing that Bitcoin can in fact do a hardfork." https://archive.is/u1Dv9	[20:29]
assbot	Final Version - Bitcoin Roundtable Consensus : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ReORVX )	[20:29]
mats	lol	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	obviously. what's bum with a reputation of bfl shilling/fraud got to lose ? costs 0 for him.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	at least chinese twerps pay for a meal.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	~same as "what does it cost wesley snipes to advertise gasoline saving magnets. already convicted felon anyway."	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	the costs go to the idiots BUYING. it'd better not cost the "actor, cantante y comediante estadounidense" jack shit, that's the fucking point of advertising to consumers.	[20:31]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411204 << this is what i said all along	[20:32]
assbot	Logged on 20-02-2016 22:33:29; mircea_popescu: but it can't be what it is today, "please update your autoupdater now!"	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	ok!	[20:33]
asciilifeform	NO to ANY networking code in v!	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	as long as it works fine without, i see no problem with it being there, but either way.	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	eventually you'll have gossipd and will want gossipd-based networking	[20:34]
asciilifeform	and when i said 'patch set' it means that - like it or not - you gotta get them somewhere.	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	for now curl - after victory, gossipd!	[20:34]
asciilifeform	for now local disk	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	or that.	[20:35]
asciilifeform	the central repository thing is ultra-broken	[20:35]
ben_vulpes	ahaha phil went derp?	[20:35]
BingoBoingo	Who's phil?	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes i suppose he just ended up in the wrong "have a catered lunch on us" line.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that's a point.	[20:36]
asciilifeform	to the point where i cannot even release a patch because wtf, against ~what~ do i patch	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	against what you have.	[20:36]
asciilifeform	did this, and mod6 had to redo it all	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	of course. this is intentional and by design.	[20:37]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411199 << this is dwim.	[20:37]
assbot	Logged on 20-02-2016 22:26:08; mircea_popescu: and you may NEVER say to any user "your program is not working correctly because you've not given tyhe developer enough control over it". this is anathema, and the source of the "llvm-ization" comment.	[20:37]
asciilifeform	sorry.	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	huh ?	[20:37]
asciilifeform	we know that mircea_popescu likes beating, but you will not make a horse fly by extra-strong beating	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	be specific!	[20:38]
ben_vulpes	wow and world trade financial group is no longer even a thing	[20:39]
ben_vulpes	https://web.archive.org/web/20120831151958/http://wtfg.com/about-us	[20:39]
asciilifeform	nothing is gained by rewriting same crud 1001 times.	[20:39]
assbot	World Trade Financial Group \| About Us ... ( http://bit.ly/1SIrAPr )	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ...	[20:40]
asciilifeform	and there is not nor cannot be a guarantee that you can go from names to build automagically	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	"nothing is gained by rewriting same crud 1001 times." relates to " this is dwim." how ? other than "this stuff bothers me immensely"	[20:40]
asciilifeform	the patch set must physically come from somewhere.	[20:40]
asciilifeform	say - where !	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes wait, were you at c1 and i forget ?!	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not specified where.	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	none of your business personally where either.	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	if i find it in a fucking bottle in the east river, my problem.	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	discussing code provenance is like discussing bitcoin taint.	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	is it signed or isn't it ?	[20:42]
asciilifeform	patches depend on previous patches.	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	only in some worlds.	[20:42]
phf	ben_vulpes: i went derp, or that's some other phil?	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	in other worlds - different bitcoin entirely runs, or same runs under different name or w/e.	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	phf no afaik that's the phil potter in question.	[20:43]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: nobody stops mircea_popescu from living in a private universe.	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	all universes must be private in this sense.	[20:43]
phf	ah, word. the juxtaposition of ascii's comment about central repo..	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	the delusion of "shared" universe is quintessential to the problem of "poetteringization"	[20:43]
asciilifeform	on the other hand, a bunch of folks here are trying to trb	[20:43]
ben_vulpes	"Phil Potter Chief Strategy Officer Bitfinex"	[20:44]
asciilifeform	and can't entirely move to separate planets	[20:44]
ben_vulpes	dag	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	i dun get what you mean asciilifeform	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	can you be specific ?	[20:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 207300 @ 0.00057355 = 118.8969 BTC [+]	[20:44]
ben_vulpes	phf: no, pgp.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes if you recall the mjr guy or what's his name was here trying to mealy mouthedly take the temperature re bitfinex last time they did a scam cycle.	[20:45]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411288	[20:45]
assbot	Logged on 20-02-2016 23:33:14; asciilifeform: to the point where i cannot even release a patch because wtf, against ~what~ do i patch	[20:45]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: lol no i do not	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	you don't "release" a patch.	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	fucking sign whatever you want to run, if people like it they'll run it and if not whatevs.	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	this whole "we are developers herp" thing is prb not trb.	[20:45]
ben_vulpes	but aha i do recall that mjr and pgp were in the same room a few times	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	and i would very much like it be the case that some folks here actually want to specifically trbn	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	rather than "let's try prb with better people, it'll work this time"	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	it didn't work for prb, it didn't work for anything, including scbl and xml/html.	[20:46]
asciilifeform	its a people difference though	[20:46]
asciilifeform	not machine	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	o brother.	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	good people in specific circumstances produce usg no matter what they individually may choose.	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	take them out of that swamp already.	[20:46]
asciilifeform	i see no evidence for this.	[20:46]
asciilifeform	their ~children~ usg, yes	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	sigh.	[20:47]
*	asciilifeform brb	[20:47]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Khmer Rouge Leader Pleas Social Justice In Court - http://qntra.net/2016/02/khmer-rouge-leader-pleas-social-justice-in-court/	[21:07]
*	pete_dushenski immediately thought of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-01-2016#1378005 only to realise that he was racialistically lumping all the s.e. asian 20th century massacres together	[21:10]
assbot	Logged on 20-01-2016 01:24:01; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ever see film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2375605 ?	[21:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81400 @ 0.00057322 = 46.6601 BTC [-]	[21:10]
pete_dushenski	for shame.	[21:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71550 @ 0.00056821 = 40.6554 BTC [-] {2}	[21:11]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Gotta keep them straight. What if you must leave America's hat for the malarial side of the ocean?	[21:12]
pete_dushenski	america's hat's pretty enormous. there's always another corner of desolate tundra with satellite internet to set up camp in.	[21:13]
BingoBoingo	I guess you just have to stay one step ahead of the sandminers?	[21:14]
pete_dushenski	sandniggers too.	[21:15]
*	mod6 reads	[21:21]
mod6	b-b-...5.sh works fine on something approaching a sane computer << ok cool!	[21:21]
mod6	<+jurov> mod6 it did compiled! << wonderful!	[21:21]
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ben_vulpes	that sweet song of "clean socks for you! clean shirts for you!"	[21:35]
mod6	nice	[21:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00056275 = 29.1505 BTC [-] {3}	[21:38]
phf	asciilifeform: around?	[21:39]
asciilifeform	aha	[21:39]
asciilifeform	just in.	[21:39]
phf	i can't figure out which patches are actually shiva patches. there's "(EXPERIMENTAL) Introducing: Shiva." and then sometime after there's "Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge."	[21:40]
phf	i take it the combination of the two is what one uses to press shiva?	[21:40]
asciilifeform	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000201.html << this and this only.	[21:41]
assbot	[BTC-dev] Tinyscheme Genesis, Cleanup, and Fixes, CORRECTED; -and- Shiva Pedigree Bridge. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SfJl8P )	[21:41]
asciilifeform	please throw out the old crud.	[21:41]
asciilifeform	afaik we don't presently have a vtron that is capable of digesting everything incl. the old crud.	[21:41]
asciilifeform	the pedigree bridge isn't for pressing either.	[21:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32841 @ 0.0005596 = 18.3778 BTC [-]	[21:42]
asciilifeform	it exists to ~demonstrate~ that shiva-tinyscheme was created from the tinyscheme-genesis	[21:42]
asciilifeform	you can in fact do this, by pressing the latter, and then the former	[21:42]
asciilifeform	but this is unfortunately not a vtronic operation, because we have idiot diff and not a turing-complete vtron.	[21:42]
phf	but none of these patches contain code that actually touches the bitcoin source	[21:44]
asciilifeform	only shiva-part-2	[21:44]
asciilifeform	which necessarily does	[21:44]
asciilifeform	the split was deliberate	[21:44]
phf	ooh, so shiva part 2 is the btc tree thing, where's the tinyscheme genesis is where you get the tinyscheme dependency?	[21:45]
asciilifeform	in same link.	[21:45]
asciilifeform	or rather, that link ~is~ tinyscheme-genesis	[21:45]
phf	right	[21:45]
asciilifeform	the bridge, if applied, will turn the tinyscheme into the contents of the shiva subdir in shiva-part-1	[21:46]
asciilifeform	(you will have to rename the dir manually, because DIFF IS RETARDED)	[21:46]
asciilifeform	and MUST DIE	[21:46]
asciilifeform	currenly shiva is http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000198.html ~~AND~~ http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000202.html .	[21:47]
assbot	[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Introducing: Shiva. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SN6qPP )	[21:47]
assbot	[BTC-dev] Shiva bug fix. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pq7ven )	[21:47]
asciilifeform	^^ the only things you need to actually build it ^^	[21:47]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411228 << sooo we have the long-awaited miner usgization ?	[21:50]
assbot	Logged on 20-02-2016 23:02:29; mircea_popescu: nobody is to use AntPool, A-XBT, Bitfinex, BitFury, Bitmain, BIT-X Exchange, Blockcloud, BTCC, Coinfloor, F2Pool, HaoBTC, Ledger, LIGHTNINGASIC & BitExchange, OKCoin or Spondoolies-Tech for any purpose under any circumstances, or ever hire anyone who ever worked there.	[21:50]
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mircea_popescu	whatever this is.	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	odds are it's like last time "they lied about me agreeing", etc.	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	but whatevs it may be.	[21:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33883 @ 0.0005596 = 18.9609 BTC [-]	[21:54]
asciilifeform	so i reread the mega-thread,	[21:56]
asciilifeform	and tentatively conclude that mircea_popescu wants everybody to have own vtree	[21:58]
deedbot-	[Trilema] Valmont - http://trilema.com/2016/valmont/	[21:58]
asciilifeform	and hand-backport whenever these are to converge.	[21:58]
asciilifeform	which is sorta like what we did before v.	[21:58]
asciilifeform	now, this makes life very easy for mircea_popescu, or so he thinks, because he can go 'i want a mod6 tree'	[21:59]
asciilifeform	except - 1) he still have to get the actual contents of that thing somewhere	[21:59]
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asciilifeform	2) what if he wants, e.g., a mod6+ben_vulpes tree.	[21:59]
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asciilifeform	but i see what he wants in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411191 say.	[22:00]
assbot	Logged on 20-02-2016 22:22:12; mircea_popescu: people in the senate floor of the most serene republic notice the silly things the kids are doing in bed these days and lo! ben_vulpes signs it, which makes that snipped suddenly go into a bunch of servers.	[22:00]
asciilifeform	for there to not be any such thing as could resemble an 'update throne'	[22:00]
asciilifeform	that a derp could one day sit down on.	[22:01]
asciilifeform	but i say that the proposed method of achieving this, is rather primitive and by no means reliable.	[22:01]
asciilifeform	it is quite the same as 'we will abolish indoor spaces! no palaces, so there can be no thrones'	[22:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100650 @ 0.0005663 = 56.9981 BTC [+] {2}	[22:09]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411126 << does mircea_popescu fully understand that there is NO MACHINE MERGING in v ?	[22:10]
assbot	Logged on 20-02-2016 21:52:20; mircea_popescu: the idea is to have diverse coder process, and a lot of fuckign toi land trouble on tghe coders, for maximal output quality.	[22:10]
asciilifeform	that is, if we end up in the position where every developer has own tree, and mircea_popescu is not content to go, e.g., 'gimme what mod6 has' - then ~mircea_popescu~ will have to 'toil and trouble' and hand-merge ?	[22:11]
asciilifeform	the machine - will not do it !	[22:11]
asciilifeform	and yes, this is mega-decentralized and entirely unlike what gavin does and etc. etc.	[22:11]
asciilifeform	why not we also hang upside-down while doing it.	[22:11]
asciilifeform	will be even more ungavin.	[22:11]
BingoBoingo	http://trilema.com/2016/valmont/#comment-116588	[22:20]
assbot	Valmont on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QRuXhe )	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yeah.	[22:23]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this is a defensible perspective but it leaves me wondering wtf you were doing when founded a trb foundation ! a throne omg!!1111111	[22:23]
BingoBoingo	so, Inversion tables join "edgerouter lite" on TMSR shopping list?	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	a throne what ?	[22:24]
asciilifeform	see thread	[22:24]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: ??	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	i am but i dun follow.	[22:24]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: For hanging upside down	[22:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it's a centralized thing! that an idiot one day could get to the wheel of !	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	the foundation ?	[22:24]
asciilifeform	aha	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	it's just a convenience. it's not a fucking usg tendril.	[22:24]
asciilifeform	vs every man with own manually-curated tree	[22:24]
asciilifeform	aha, convenience.	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	right.	[22:25]
asciilifeform	but ~what~ does it make convenient ?	[22:25]
asciilifeform	as i understand, it is a thing that mircea_popescu considers sinful ?	[22:25]
asciilifeform	that is, folks agreeing to work on a same tree	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	principally atm, that mod6 is running like a mad dog trying to keep on top of everyone's patches.	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	i don't see folks agreeing to anything. i see mod6 putting in a lot of blood.	[22:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 462 @ 0.00254173 = 1.1743 BTC [+] {2}	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	this is as it should be, incidentally, tho the original design was for there to be 2 people who then add more.	[22:26]
asciilifeform	iirc he was mainly bleeding to get his vtron up to par ?	[22:26]
asciilifeform	(which is a mighty spiffy thing!)	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	well, without getting into the nitty details.	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	but the point remains : having a trb foundation on the solid foundation of a v environment IS a convenience.	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	having a centralising pos a la vessenes faux foundation on top of the broken process non-v, is a disaster.	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	a disaster ot which naggum's lifeless body doth attest.	[22:27]
asciilifeform	i don't see prb or the xml circus as 'good people, good intentions, bad tool'	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	bad ~environment~.	[22:28]
asciilifeform	i see it as imbeciles setting out to do evil things and succeeding.	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	this is your privilege, as a believer in animism.	[22:28]
asciilifeform	and the few intelligent, honest folk, along for the ride	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless, reality contains no divine manifestation.	[22:28]
asciilifeform	because there was no other ride.	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	the fact remains that in all attempts of building things atop non-v environments (specifically : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1411198 ) result in the same thing.	[22:29]
assbot	Logged on 20-02-2016 22:25:16; mircea_popescu: the important parts here being that v does away with the concept of developer control over code ; and with the concept of code ownership ; and instead introduces the concept of signature-driven responsibility.	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	you choose to view this as a sign of the omnipotence of usg.	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	it is not, but merely the necessary result of trying to keep milk in reed baskets.	[22:30]
asciilifeform	actually it is the omnipotence of regression-to-the-mean	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	whatever you call the deity today.	[22:30]
asciilifeform	this one has demonstrable teeth.	[22:30]
asciilifeform	witness nick-2 vs peter-1	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	they all have demonstrable teeth.	[22:30]
asciilifeform	or the hapsburgs, etc.	[22:30]
asciilifeform	lulzy how this is the exact inverse of the lisp machine thread !	[22:31]
asciilifeform	holy shit.	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	:)	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	the face of alf when he becomes privy to the evil matroshka mp, whereby he only argues things one way for the ease of arguing other things later.	[22:31]
asciilifeform	quite.	[22:32]
asciilifeform	https://cryptome.org/2016/02/usg-apple-edny-026-027.pdf >>> http://dpaste.com/3ACY3QB.txt << moar lulz	[22:33]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QRw54h )	[22:33]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QRw54n )	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform> 2) what if he wants, e.g., a mod6+ben_vulpes tree. << in general it's to be expected you'd see a lot of replication of code.	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	much like dna works, actually.	[22:37]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu doesn't seem to give the least damn about sweat, so long as it is not off his own back. 'who cares how many zeks it takes to build belomor canal' ?	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	trust that it is the right approach.	[22:40]
asciilifeform	whereas he ought to understand that he is squandering a ~finite~ resource.	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	if you wish to care about sweat you'll end up with the maggots on the meat.	[22:40]
asciilifeform	we have ddt for this.	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	similarly moscow university teacher does not care about candle burn.	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	"who cares how many nights student has to stay up until x clicks in his head"	[22:40]
asciilifeform	this is different.	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	if it is you'll have to show it.	[22:41]
asciilifeform	this is making the student peel potatoes 18 hr. a day.	[22:41]
asciilifeform	the work that goes into 'regrinding' is idiot waste.	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	but in any case, what i expect in practice is - a lot of cross signing, of people who know each other ; and a ready spot for corporate investment. "make me a mod6+alf patch" is a job.	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform> the work that goes into 'regrinding' is idiot waste. << it is NOT waste. not anymore than the work that goes into brushing teeth is idiot waste.	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	"why should i talk to the woman ebfore fucking her!!11"	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	reading the fucking code is not time wasted, keeping you from time you could have "better" spend writing more code.	[22:42]
asciilifeform	one of these things is not like the other.	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	ACTUAL thousand eyes, mandated, by design.	[22:42]
BingoBoingo	Where the good lord split, not even Blockstream has internal consensus on HKGOXMTG https://archive.is/9PdE7	[22:43]
assbot	maaku7 comments on We have CONSENSUS! In April we get SW, 3 months later, core HF code ready ... ( http://bit.ly/1QRwNP5 )	[22:44]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: say we do things precisely as you described. and tomorrow i publish a patch. now everyone who wants to test it, cannot apply it at all unless he is willing to use my tree wholesale. instead he has to MANUALLY merge it in, line by line. and then i end up back-and-forth-ing over his typos for the next month, instead of doing ANYTHING else	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	READ IT	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	he has to READ IT	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	it is not YOUR fucking patch.	[22:45]
asciilifeform	and then write it.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	the very concept of "my" patch has to go.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	anf if "doing ANYTHING else" stands for "write more code", best outcome possible.	[22:46]
asciilifeform	i am reminded of the german fella who proclaimed 'the tank will be 200 tonnes and fuck you'	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	but the notion that code can be owned is so idiotic as not to be able to stand. it's fucking code!	[22:47]
asciilifeform	built 'maus', which not one bridge in europe could hold.	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	which was not terribly relevant : it could ford in places nobody knew there was a ford before.	[22:47]
asciilifeform	well sure. but did not get far.	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	mostly because russian mud.	[22:48]
asciilifeform	did it even make it that far east ?	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	iirc the soviets captured the prototype facility	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	iirc was also a locomotive type engine lol	[22:49]
asciilifeform	anyone recall 'landkreuzer' ?	[22:49]
asciilifeform	would have been, a what, 1500 tonne !	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	was thgat the tank-submarine ?	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	the thing with emplaced coastal artillery battery ?	[22:55]
asciilifeform	the one with the naval cannon	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	aha	[22:55]
asciilifeform	my point was that mircea_popescu is asking 'the tank must be 1,000 tonnes! because fuckyou' but from where comes the engine ?	[22:57]
asciilifeform	the fuel ?	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	are you proposing that "software must progress" ?	[22:57]
asciilifeform	not exactly	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	but ?	[22:57]
asciilifeform	well, take, for instance, 'shiva'	[22:57]
asciilifeform	does mircea_popescu want it to be finished, and replace the idiot rpc ?	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	i see no problem with SOME software must progress. it does not follow that all must, or all should. bitcoin provably shouldn't.	[22:57]
asciilifeform	or waste of time ?	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	i do want it to be finished.	[22:58]
asciilifeform	in bitcoin 'progress' just means something very different.	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	if it's finished before i die or after, i don't care. so long as it's finished right	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	and ONLY then.	[22:58]
asciilifeform	it means to cut out the scar tissue and replace with prosthesis.	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	i do not want it finished otherwise, at all.	[22:58]
asciilifeform	i don't see the manual monk-copying as being automagically a thing of correctness-making.	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	and in other interludes, http://36.media.tumblr.com/3b4fae10722803dac39d2d562407d9a0/tumblr_mkh2jfIHgw1r6qz9zo1_1280.jpg	[22:59]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QRxVlF )	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you don't, do you ?	[22:59]
asciilifeform	(or, conversely, its absence, a ticket to prb damnation)	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	how do you suppose webstack became a thing ?	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	if not "relief from the antiquated chains of monk copying"	[23:00]
asciilifeform	from inferior people.	[23:00]
BingoBoingo	;;google object 279	[23:00]
gribble	Object 279 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Object 279 - YouTube: ; Object 279 Soviet Havy Tank [HD]-2014 - YouTube:	[23:00]
asciilifeform	who, yes, had an easier time getting and staying in.	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	your trust in people is misplaced.	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	look no further than yourself : are you a bad person for living in dc ?	[23:01]
asciilifeform	machine is not a pill against retardation.	[23:01]
asciilifeform	and yes, i am.	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	people will do what they see around them.	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	i don't actually believe so.	[23:01]
asciilifeform	i burn in this hell because too weak to escape it, and ergo it is the correct place.	[23:01]
asciilifeform	it is made up of all such who are.	[23:01]
asciilifeform	and nobody else.	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	machine is not a pill against retardation. nevertheless, system is a method for limiting expression of retardation.	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	which is why the same proteins make dog and dog vomit.	[23:02]
asciilifeform	overall i agree with this, and personally i have introduced many tortures, as the folks reading have felt on own skins.	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	there isn't "better" carbon to make man or beast.	[23:02]
asciilifeform	but machine can also be fooled, in the long run, by 'exam takers.'	[23:02]
shinohai	;;later tell mod6 Done: f400ba5417274972a8a0da799d916983987156f949955d2bb9c6a4f146be2b31 bitcoind	[23:02]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform this is why the v is so important. does away with any exam.	[23:03]
asciilifeform	the manual merging thing is quite exam.	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	do tell ?	[23:03]
asciilifeform	it is gruntwork and the ability to do it does not correlate with anything higher.	[23:04]
asciilifeform	peeling potatoes.	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	this is a fantasm. that you'd like it be true, i believe you. that it is, i do not believe you.	[23:04]
asciilifeform	likewise, it is very easy to 'cheat' by applying fuzzy-diff.	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	what you get when you take toil out of painting is warhol. he is not an artist	[23:04]
asciilifeform	and then recrunching the hashes.	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	he is an american.	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	what you get when you take toil out of psychologi is lacan. he is not a psychiatrist,	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	he is an american.	[23:05]
asciilifeform	no, it is what you get when you take out the talent, and leave ~only~ the toil.	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	plox - the world has had enough americans. forever.	[23:05]
asciilifeform	the talentless wretch who is very good at sweat, and paints, paints - this is warhol.	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	i dun think you're familiar with the fellow ?	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	quite opposite of historical item.	[23:05]
asciilifeform	lightly familiar	[23:05]
asciilifeform	to the extent my stomach permitted.	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	your stomach misled you, methinks.	[23:06]
asciilifeform	but perhaps i was thinking of pollack	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	a different fellow.	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	no, warhol is a talentless dali. just as lazy.	[23:06]
asciilifeform	ick	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	to this day the only way to become a carpenter is to carpent. the only way to become a whoremonger is to fuck.	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	you can't be a clinician without treating people, which yes, peeliong potatoes.	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	the deep secret here being that the potatoes are objectionable FOR BEING POTATOES, whereas their absence is objectionable universally.	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	or, as tlp very well put it, "	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	hmmm where's that article about boring family life, and hating the boring structure but nevertheless benefitting from it	[23:08]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu's soliders painted quite a lot of grass fields green, and snowmen - white, didn't they.	[23:08]
asciilifeform	back in the day.	[23:09]
asciilifeform	*soldiers	[23:09]
asciilifeform	structure!1111	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	But why do we need "the balance?" What does it replace, what went missing? The very thing Holden Caufield hated: "phoniness", protocol and ritual for seemingly no purpose. Politeness is fine, but why do I have to make small talk? Why do I have to pretend to care about the weather? Why, after a decade of marriage, should dinner be a regular review of the somewhat boring goings-ons of "the day"? Because that formal	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	ity is freeing, it allows self-conscious physical bodies to get used to standing next to each other without having to be acting, this includes husbands and wives. When dinner is a controlled process with "manners" and expected topics of shared conversation and start and end times, as boring as it may get, it is boring, not you. Women are especially sensitive to this absence of convention, this is one reason for the p	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	opularity of Downton Abbey, not to mention alcohol and iphones at dinner. It is against this background of "phony" convention that teens can productively "rebel" and find their own individuality against a status quo; fighting against an emotionally illogical, arbitrary, unpredictable structure results in learning the opposite lesson, "whatever gets me through the day..." Without this structure to social activities, w	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	hen the "natural" conversation stops being interesting-- and it will, even if most of you weren't bad at it-- it would be a judgment about your relationship, about you. And you'll beg St. Jobs to blink a path to safety because otherwise you have to sit there with no existential support.	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	Texting and social media's slowness gives them their power for this purpose. You read a text, and it lingers, it keeps your attention because it's all there is; and then you respond with a piece of your real self, and wait for a response... what's happening is time travel-- while you are on pause, the rest of not-your life goes faster. It is far more efficient at killing time than a phone call.	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so they did. and women beaten for cutting cabbage wrongly. and on it goes.	[23:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.0005686 = 3.4116 BTC [+]	[23:09]
asciilifeform	the cabbage makes sense though !	[23:09]
asciilifeform	correctly cut cabbage is USEFUL	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	everything makes sense, my dear alf, as long as the cane doesn't cut into one's own buttocks.	[23:10]
asciilifeform	even then it makes sense.	[23:10]
asciilifeform	if the cane is because forgot to put the firing pin in the kalash on reassembly	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	well now that we understand the positions in theory, a negotiation for functional practice may begin.	[23:10]
asciilifeform	and not because missed a spot of green pain when painting motherfucking grass.	[23:10]
asciilifeform	*paint	[23:10]
*	asciilifeform ~knows~ that the pin does not normally come out! does not need correction on subj	[23:12]
asciilifeform	rhetorical example. imagine we were american grunts. their pin - comes out.	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	aha ?	[23:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45100 @ 0.00056939 = 25.6795 BTC [+]	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	(and for the record i will point out that tlp is anglotard enough to miss most of the substance. there's perfecty good reason everyone painted the same god damned vase with two apples next to it, and this has little do to with "you're not boring son ok" and a lot of fucking things to do with ... damn, where's that thread about ther ancient battlefield ?	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	the one where new people see the same ravines and tend to build the same bridge long dead people saw and built ?	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	there's a depth acquired from "boring" narrowness of subject.	[23:19]
asciilifeform	i don't recall this	[23:19]
asciilifeform	(but would like to!)	[23:19]
asciilifeform	was it the intellectual-curiosity thread..?	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	yeah, you even commented on it at some point	[23:19]
asciilifeform	the one with the planar groups	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	damn we're not even a decade in can't find shit in the logs ;/	[23:20]
asciilifeform	l0lz	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile in further "ceos agree to consensus" news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/78e51e7943aeb41817550b062441658a/tumblr_mw86rci4tK1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg	[23:20]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Kzk5be )	[23:20]
asciilifeform	interesting!	[23:21]
asciilifeform	only one looks visibly displeased	[23:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42470 @ 0.0005686 = 24.1484 BTC [-]	[23:21]
asciilifeform	the one on the left hand side : 'snore, noose'	[23:21]
asciilifeform	the one on right hand: 'is this ALL THE NOOSE you could SPARE!?!!'	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	lol	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	and the one in the middle is all like "Shit, i really got the worst boobjob in the world"	[23:23]
asciilifeform	aha!	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	well i can't fucking find it.	[23:25]
phf	went to have dinner, come back, mother of logs	[23:25]
jurov	the v theory is fine, but in practice i'm afrain it will drive everyone attempting it insane	[23:25]
jurov	like mod6	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	insanity would be an improvement for you people.	[23:25]
jurov	improvement toward what?	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	i rest my case.	[23:27]
asciilifeform	related >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-11-2015#1319115	[23:28]
assbot	Logged on 07-11-2015 02:32:19; asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfpq5dKnYJs << interesting sport - fake hanging	[23:28]
mod6	i don't think V is driving me insane. at least, I hope not. i think re-grinding is a pain, but i don't see a way around this.	[23:31]
mod6	shinohai: cool! thanks!	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	i will be off to do things with slutty girls now, bbl.	[23:32]
mod6	enjoy!	[23:32]
shinohai	>.>	[23:32]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410987 << me too. and i get a weird error when trying to get his key >> http://danielpbarron.com/59C36319.txt	[23:33]
hanbot	mod6 ftr i'm not at all set up for proper testing atm, much as i wish i could offer something. will heads up when i'm able.	[23:33]
assbot	Logged on 20-02-2016 20:41:35; ben_vulpes: mod6: i am still getting this with build-bitcoin-v99995.sh: gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!	[23:33]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OmNnV8 )	[23:33]
mod6	hanbot: no worries,. thanks!	[23:34]
phf	i split patches into patchsets http://btcbase.org/patches, http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=experimental (and http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=deprecated for historical) to minimize confusion. there's a little menu that lets you select	[23:34]
assbot	404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1OmNtfi )	[23:34]
assbot	trb ... ( http://bit.ly/1OmNtfo )	[23:34]
assbot	trb ... ( http://bit.ly/1OmNtfq )	[23:34]
mod6	danielpbarron: did you put this key 0xAB07D806D2CE741FB886EE50B025BA8B59C36319 in your gpg keyring?	[23:35]
mod6	along with the other 3?	[23:35]
danielpbarron	when i try to get it, it gives the error linked above	[23:35]
asciilifeform	phf: why is shiva 'deprecated' ?	[23:36]
mod6	how are you trying to 'get it' ?	[23:36]
asciilifeform	oh nm	[23:36]
mod6	oh	[23:36]
mod6	didnt see the paste /me looks	[23:36]
asciilifeform	phf: very spiffy	[23:36]
danielpbarron	i get the same error when i do the same thing with the long key id you just showed	[23:36]
phf	asciilifeform: should be better called "disabled", but really makes no difference	[23:36]
phf	also release ought to be stable	[23:37]
danielpbarron	regardless, the script ended with a bitcoind in rotor/TEST2/bitcoin/src/	[23:37]
mod6	danielpbarron: try `gpg --recv-key0xAB07D806D2CE741FB886EE50B025BA8B59C36319`	[23:37]
mod6	ok, well it should pull that key.	[23:37]
mod6	that command should ^^^	[23:37]
mod6	goddamn lag	[23:38]
danielpbarron	yeah same error	[23:38]
mod6	i dunno then.	[23:38]
phf	so without the two broken patches experimental almost presses cleanly. something wrong with polar's patches..	[23:38]
mod6	gab the key from the fhe keyserver andimport manually?	[23:38]
*	asciilifeform bbl	[23:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00056654 = 8.6397 BTC [-]	[23:39]
mod6	and ALL: do not run this script 2x, ever. if something goes wrong, just please, start again fresh dir blow everything away except your .wot dir & contents and script.	[23:39]
danielpbarron	well i got a bitcoind out of it, and when i run it against my already mostly complete .bitcoin directory i got black holed; trying again now with -connect=173.73.235.152	[23:39]
phf	i'm going to try and keep main patches view the same as what mod6 is releasing	[23:39]
mod6	blackholed?	[23:39]
mod6	o.O	[23:39]
danielpbarron	can't get a new block, just bastards and transactions that appear to be invalid	[23:40]
danielpbarron	but that's not necessarily the fault of your thing; i had a power outage take this machine down without properly shutting down	[23:40]
*	yangwao (~wao@v6.syx.sk) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:41]
mod6	ah. ok	[23:41]
mod6	well,let us know how it goes. thanks for building.	[23:42]
danielpbarron	gonna try a few more times to get it to continue building on the blocks i already had, and failing that I'll try it with an empty .bitcoin directory	[23:43]
mod6	alright, cool	[23:44]
danielpbarron	oh also, in getinfo I get this >> "errors" : "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade."	[23:47]
mod6	o.O	[23:48]
mod6	something is wrong. i dont know what.	[23:49]
*	NewLiberty has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)	[23:51]

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