Forum logs for 20 Aug 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00070291 = 7.8726 BTC [-] [00:08]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00070212 = 5.7925 BTC [-] {2} [01:22]
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TheNewDeal liking that comic fluffypony [01:32]
fluffypony :) [01:33]
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asciilifeform (linked earlier) << pure gold. these folks are in 'tilt mode.' [01:36]
assbot Whatever happened to Bitcoin? (Hint: nothing good) - [01:36]
TheNewDeal What happened to the NASDAQ? Answer: it's being propped up on stilts [01:40]
mircea_popescu heh. [01:41]
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mircea_popescu dats raycus [01:41]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.0007019 = 2.3865 BTC [-] {2} [01:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 50 @ 0.01255309 = 0.6277 BTC [-] {5} [01:42]
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mircea_popescu << wouldja look at that, weekly active user count over avg last week for the first time in like half a year. [01:46]
assbot #bitcoin-assets stats [01:46]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11505 @ 0.00070144 = 8.0701 BTC [-] [01:47]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla: so you can only miss the chance to sell 10k 3 times or something? << that was going the other way. [01:47]
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kakobrekla i kno. [01:47]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker. [01:48]
gribble Error: "ticker." is not a valid command. [01:48]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [01:48]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 487.96, Best ask: 488.41, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 488.4, 24 hour volume: 18059.81647100, 24 hour low: 453.01, 24 hour high: 493.98, 24 hour vwap: 479.000378688 [01:48]
mircea_popescu the problem being that going the other way is a) unduly expensive and b) shockingly ineffectual. [01:49]
mircea_popescu but i guess i was giving the bright financial minds on the other side of the tug rope undue credit for being absolutely intelligent so as to know. [01:49]
mircea_popescu or mebbe some knew but the group as a whole got desperate enough. [01:49]
mircea_popescu i won't know for a while yet, so ah well. [01:49]
TheNewDeal mircea_popescu: << wouldja look at that, weekly active user count over avg last week for the first time in like half a year. <<< usagi has been firing up all his old names? [01:51]
assbot #bitcoin-assets stats [01:51]
mircea_popescu lol doubt it. [01:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00070291 = 4.6744 BTC [+] [01:54]
TheNewDeal so what are you saying about buying 10k? you only have a few chances to do it before the price skyrockets up or what? [01:55]
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ThickAsThieves lol, either these guys are running out of ways to make the price move... or Musk is an OG [02:01]
assbot Tesla Motors Inc Accused Of "Organized Crime" [02:01]
fluffypony he's South African, of course he's an OG [02:02]
ThickAsThieves lets use "quotes" on words for no reason [02:02]
ThickAsThieves i guess they might be quoting a person [02:02]
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asciilifeform 'Lithium ion batteries blog up if they get wet or bumped.' [02:07]
* asciilifeform asks his batteries if they blog. [02:08]
diana_coman mircea_popescu got the skill level eulora prize too, here is proof and the address at the end, thank you [02:09]
assbot Making My Eulorian Cake and Eating It in Ossasepia [02:09]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23464 @ 0.00070128 = 16.4548 BTC [-] {2} [02:14]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16722 @ 0.00070309 = 11.7571 BTC [+] {2} [02:20]
fluffypony [02:24]
assbot Reddit, Twitch, and Imgur have created a research partnership called DERP | The Verge [02:24]
fluffypony mircea_popescu should sue [02:24]
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thestringpuller fluffypony: hahaha! of course he is OG. [02:49]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.28912058 = 0.8674 BTC [+] [02:51]
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mircea_popescu fluffypony lol [02:52]
mircea_popescu << now this is an interesting point. [02:54]
assbot Who Are We? Not Nationals | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski [02:54]
mircea_popescu do we have any reason to suspect bitcoin will bring about by and large more prosperous societies in the sense of people affording better friends ? [02:54]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: or say, go and fix RuBisCO, world's most inefficient enzyme << it's not its fault! hard fucking shit! [03:00]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller what's og ? [03:02]
thestringpuller original gangsta [03:02]
thestringpuller ::ud OG [03:02]
thestringpuller ;;ud og [03:03]
gribble | Famouse Tatooists Mr. Cartoon is a straight-up muthafuck'in OG! 2. O G. O G means original gangsta those tru gangstas from way back in the day that jacked ya ... [03:03]
mircea_popescu ouc [03:03]
mircea_popescu oic* [03:03]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell chetty now this has got to be in the game. [03:06]
gribble The operation succeeded. [03:06]
asciilifeform DERP << still waiting for some muppet to start a company selling bottled piss or the like, and labeled 'bitcoin' [03:06]
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mircea_popescu im kinda waiting for the twinks to get bored of being irrelevant, get upset and threaten to sue everyone else for using their invention. [03:08]
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mircea_popescu destroy land/wealth equivalency << this is gone , actually, which is why i rent. [03:11]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: to fully visualize the logical conclusion of that gedankenexperiment, picture if one could subsist entirely on the output of a 'desktop garden' under a fluorescent lamp. [03:13]
asciilifeform (see also this: [03:13]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log [03:13]
mircea_popescu inasmuch as you accept bitcoin as a desktop garden under a lcd backed monitor, one can, does. [03:13]
mircea_popescu you mean if everyone ? but everyone never could. [03:13]
asciilifeform well, everyone with the necessary apparatus. [03:14]
asciilifeform just like sailors on a nuke sub never need to surface for air - only for food/ammunition/parts [03:14]
asciilifeform (electrolytic cell, sea water) [03:15]
mircea_popescu speaking of which : the diesel sub is making a major comeback [03:15]
asciilifeform cost. [03:15]
mircea_popescu apparently much easier to make it silent, whereas the nuke ones can not [03:15]
asciilifeform silent on battery. [03:15]
mircea_popescu more importantly (and somewhat secretly) : they're one man subs. [03:16]
mircea_popescu robotics and computers are now advanced enough. [03:16]
asciilifeform and the 'two airplanes theorem' (what can two planes do, that one, regardless of how spiffy, cannot? be in two places.) [03:16]
mircea_popescu think about that solipsist heaven. a one man diesel attack sub. [03:16]
asciilifeform midget subs are 1930s state of the art. [03:16]
mircea_popescu but these are not so midget-y. [03:16]
asciilifeform and, who doesn't love the japanese 'Kaiten.' [03:16]
asciilifeform ;;google kaiten submarine [03:16]
gribble Kaiten - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Human torpedo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Kaiten-class | Nihon Kaigun - Imperial Japanese Navy Page: [03:16]
mircea_popescu they're actually pretty fully featured. [03:16]
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mircea_popescu so what if ben_vulpes has it his way and by say 2050 most people that are people actually live in one ? [03:17]
asciilifeform generally, you want two men (one sleeps) [03:17]
mircea_popescu the sub having replaced the car that replaced the knight's horse [03:17]
mircea_popescu making orlof a sort of low tech early pioneer in the right direction. [03:17]
asciilifeform the familiar 'water planet' scenario, yes. [03:18]
mircea_popescu leaving the landspace to be inhabited by the proles, toiling in the mines and sub factories under the carcinogenic sun [03:18]
asciilifeform we could be there already, but somehow it appears that most people don't like the sea very much. [03:18]
* asciilifeform can't imagine why [03:18]
mircea_popescu it's not that familiar to me, i'm a sf noob/ignoramus :D [03:18]
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asciilifeform 'Defined in these terms, when you move onto a floating pole somewhere in the ocean, the first effect on your freedom is a massive decline. You have sworn fealty to King Neptune. Neptune accepts your service, as he has accepted so many before you. His court is glorious, his riches are infinite, his territory is vast. But Neptune is a stern and capricious lord. To live at sea, you need not just love liberty. You n [03:21]
asciilifeform eed to love the sea. Spend a little time with Moitessier, Slocum, and the like; read this fine collection, and possibly this (pretty much all of Jonathan Raban's books are good); etc, etc. Yes, I'm aware that seasteading is not yachting. I'm aware that no one intends to take their floating poles around Cape Horn. But you are still at sea, and a subject of Neptune you remain.' [03:21]
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asciilifeform (mr mold on the 'seasteading' concept. [03:21]
assbot Page not found [03:21]
mircea_popescu !up tylander [03:21]
-assbot- You voiced tylander for 30 minutes. [03:21]
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mircea_popescu well, lettuce see. the submarine is submerged. it does not care about "weather" in either fluid sense. with the new fleshlights and tumblr pr0nz... i defy you to find a bunch of 20somethings whose current life would be differen if they were subbed. [03:22]
asciilifeform a non-nuke sub spends 90+% of time on the surface. [03:23]
asciilifeform (given current battery tech, this is unlikely to change) [03:23]
mircea_popescu this is a tech problem. [03:23]
asciilifeform the same kind of tech problem as the absence of pocket laser pistol. [03:24]
asciilifeform batteries. [03:24]
mircea_popescu tell you what : a current car spends 90% of time in the garage. fu that. [03:24]
mircea_popescu let there be electric recharge stations on the ocean floor. [03:24]
mircea_popescu if they can do it with the teslas it has impact. [03:24]
asciilifeform or, as with one proposed electromobile, battery swap couriers. [03:24]
mircea_popescu in any case : international waters are international waters [03:25]
mircea_popescu and im not sure who can afford to piss off a nation of submarineers, but it wouldn't be the us. [03:25]
mircea_popescu what with its super vulnerable carriers and errything. [03:25]
mircea_popescu so composed out of thermal electro plant, battery recharge stations and a fleet of subs... [03:25]
mircea_popescu geothermal* [03:26]
asciilifeform when the last u.s. boat hits the bottom, the scrapyards, or the chinese auction block - we'll find out whether the 'seastead' folks are serious. [03:26]
kuzetsa hmm? tumblr pronz and fleshlights? why not both -- [03:26]
kuzetsa oosp, I spelled rp0nz wrong [03:26]
kuzetsa oh for fucks sake [03:26]
mircea_popescu dude... srlsly ?! [03:26]
asciilifeform lol! [03:26]
mircea_popescu people fuck icecream-colored cartoon characters ? [03:26]
kuzetsa rule34 [03:27]
asciilifeform people would fuck their own severed heads if they could. [03:27]
kuzetsa ^ yes, they would [03:27]
mircea_popescu the cunts aren't even identical holy hell. [03:27]
asciilifeform probably being '3d printed' to order even as we speak. [03:28]
mircea_popescu so who's the deep purple one in the middle ? [03:28]
mircea_popescu only actual slut in the bunch. [03:28]
* asciilifeform had occasion to go to a local electronics store a few days ago, '3d printers' were displayed right next to ordinary ones. [03:28]
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nubbins` mp the floating one w/ the rainbow hair is probably the most represented in cosplay etc [03:30]
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kuzetsa mircea_popescu: the size of the folds of ones labia is not directly proportional to sexual activity, but only differs with natural variation from person to person... your logic is invalid for calling that slutty... or is this just your headcanon for that particular pony? in which case, I agree, she's awful [03:30]
mircea_popescu kuzetsa how much cunt have you seen so far ? [03:30]
mircea_popescu in square meters i mean. [03:30]
nubbins` lel [03:30]
thestringpuller nubbins`: we accept your offer [03:30]
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thestringpuller we'll sign da papers tomorrow! [03:31]
asciilifeform in square meters << must specify, folded or denatured. [03:31]
nubbins` thestringpuller: lovely [03:31]
mircea_popescu either way. [03:31]
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kuzetsa mircea_popescu: I've seen quite a lot, but even if that wasn't the case, the sex ed programs here don't promote fallacious negative images about people's sexuality because of genital shape [03:31]
mircea_popescu i couldn't begin to give less of a shit about what sex "ed" programs say there, wherever that is. [03:32]
mircea_popescu i've yet to see a psa "ed" effort that was accurate in details. [03:32]
nubbins` how about the marijuana supports terr.. oh, wait [03:32]
thestringpuller nubbins`: it's just one color. white on black. [03:32]
kuzetsa colleges have sex ed and related programs too, not just primary schools [03:32]
mircea_popescu yeah, made by the same people, with the same political aggenda, and with the same utter ignorance and disrespect for observable reality. [03:33]
nubbins` thestringpuller: easy peasy [03:33]
mircea_popescu something being asserted by a state sponsored "ed" program of any kind is more a predictor of the something being wrong than right. [03:33]
nubbins` once in sixth grade, our teacher made us draw cocks for homework [03:33]
nubbins` these were put on the classroom bulletin board for the next few weeks [03:34]
asciilifeform this applies just as easily to the nominally 'proper' education (average peon has very little use for, e.g. arithmetic) [03:34]
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mod6 nubbins`: no wai?! [03:35]
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mircea_popescu meanwhile at lulzranch : carnivores having well developed teeth is in no way a predictor of their preference in eating meat over say photosynthesis. [03:35]
mircea_popescu so said animal ed! [03:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00070326 = 3.3405 BTC [+] [03:35]
kuzetsa uhm [03:35]
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nubbins` mod6 nod [03:36]
nubbins` she was a strange woman [03:36]
mircea_popescu nubbins` no cunts tho ? [03:36]
nubbins` mircea_popescu, nope [03:36]
mod6 lol [03:36]
mircea_popescu now wtf sense does that make ? [03:36]
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nubbins` fwiw she used to grind her vulva on the corners of desks when helping students [03:36]
mircea_popescu see, a teacher like that'd have never survived in mp's school. [03:36]
mircea_popescu too easy to bully. [03:36]
mircea_popescu people'd have been sticking cunt drawings on her back for the rest of her life. [03:37]
nubbins` not sure if this was autoerotic or candida [03:37]
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asciilifeform nubbins`: teacher had no pockets? or, no hands ? [03:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00070349 = 22.9338 BTC [+] {2} [03:37]
kuzetsa asciilifeform: women's clothing tends not to have many pockets :( [03:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform teacher rubbing vulva on corners is no indication of an absence of hands, pockets or brain. [03:38]
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asciilifeform today she'd own one of those radio-controlled insertables. [03:38]
mircea_popescu kuzetsa indeed, and ironically i suspect it's exactly for this reason. [03:38]
kuzetsa eww [03:38]
mircea_popescu no, srsly. controlling masturbation in little girls was much more a priority in victorian england that in teh case of boys [03:39]
kuzetsa no, I know [03:39]
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kuzetsa that's why I said eww [03:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: a historical annoyance, for all forms of state, is that folks can, in general, grow food without asking it permission first. <<< this brings to mind the ridiculous "permit to assemble" device. [03:39]
mircea_popescu "yes you may gather together to overthrow the state, just as long as you get an approval form stamped by said state" [03:40]
decimation re: luxury submarines: << supposedly can stay submerged for at least a week going 2 knots [03:40]
assbot U.S. SUBMARINES [03:40]
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asciilifeform there's two basic types of 'permission' - one where you can, without permission, but might catch some lead; and one where you actually can't ('promise vs. protocol') [03:40]
mircea_popescu decimation i tell you, if the tesla experiment works out we're going to see subs. [03:40]
decimation note that if you want go at any reasonable speed you must be on the surface, as ascii said [03:41]
decimation undersea charging is interesting [03:41]
decimation batteries still suck though [03:41]
asciilifeform you can charge inductively under the sea, but parasitic currents are a drag [03:41]
mircea_popescu there's nothing to do submerged anyway. the only real reason to move is abvout the same as getting new ips, ie, avoid the enemy. [03:41]
mircea_popescu for this reason, 2 knots is fine. [03:41]
asciilifeform (sea water conducts) [03:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i imagine some sort of copulatory connection will be standard. [03:42]
asciilifeform might want to wait for 'SOSUS' to finish falling apart before setting sail on microsubs [03:42]
mircea_popescu why ? [03:42]
decimation heh yeah that's a good point ascii [03:42]
mircea_popescu it's not currently able to handle massed targets well. this is, and has been, long known documented weakness [03:43]
mircea_popescu handwaved as "well if there's too many subs to track then that says all we wanted to know anyway rite ?" [03:43]
asciilifeform interesting fact, i think we might have spoken of it before - usg claims extraterritorial jurisdiction over... all ships. [03:43]
mircea_popescu so does any pirate. what of it ? claim is one thing. [03:43]
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asciilifeform fix RuBisCO, from its current ~2% efficiency to something like 50+ - and now you needn't the massive resupply points that make fat targets. [03:44]
asciilifeform for the 1000 ships tactic, the vessels must be properly autonomous [03:45]
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decimation asciilifeform: usg opts to allow the russian navy to exist in international waters: [03:45]
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mircea_popescu a war is won by a) making fat targets that b) the enemy tries to take out but c) fails. [03:45]
decimation said Lt. Col. Tom Crosson, a Pentagon spokesman. ?We respect the freedom of all nations, as reflected in international law, to operate military vessels beyond the territorial seas of other nations.? [03:45]
asciilifeform decimation: or recall the chinese sub that test-fired ballistic rockets off the california coast recently. [03:45]
asciilifeform ^ beautiful example of u.s. media hush campaign. vanished entirely from nearly everywhere within days of first mention. [03:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform im sure it's in the sub ed in colleges everywhere. [03:46]
mircea_popescu or maybe not. [03:46]
decimation re: usg rotting surveillance: [03:47]
assbot Air Force Space Surveillance System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [03:47]
decimation Due to resource constraints caused by sequestration, Air Force Space Command officials have directed the 21st Space Wing to prepare to discontinue operations at the Air Force Space Surveillance System by Oct. 1 [03:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: eventual goal, for the state, is an endgame where you can't grow your own potato in secret any more than you can produce your own 14nm cpu. << eventual endgame, for the utopian socialist/nazist state, as for any utopian/figment of imagination, is human relevancy. [03:47]
mircea_popescu this is an unattainable goal for fundamental reasons. [03:48]
decimation the "space fence", transmitter blasted nearly 1 megawatt skyward to 'ping' off satellites [03:48]
mircea_popescu yet lucifer still doth try to fly. [03:48]
* asciilifeform wonders when ocean fiber reamplifiers will begin to include a few kg of trotyl with motion fuse, for meddlesome buggers [03:48]
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decimation re: gov't control: witness the usg attempting to "control" "guns" [03:49]
asciilifeform unattainable goal << their modus operandi is to cripple people in any available way, to inject 'relevancy.' no reason to think this won't continue with better tech. [03:49]
decimation "if we can't bring everyone up to your level then we will tear you down" [03:50]
mircea_popescu of course it will continue. it will continue not to work lol. [03:50]
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mircea_popescu obviously a car without an engine will continue to be a car without an engine for as long as hills and people willing to push can be found. [03:51]
asciilifeform decimation: ground-based gizmo obsoleted by orbital spybots [03:51]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: the folks pushing the 'urban' ('totalitarian', etc, pick favourite term) << these seriously aren't equivalent. [03:52]
asciilifeform (how many of the latter still work - a different question) [03:52]
decimation asciilifeform: i.e. [03:52]
assbot Space Based Space Surveillance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [03:52]
mircea_popescu the hayseeds imagine the urban despisement of their simpletonism is the same as the utopian hatred of their self sufficiency. [03:52]
mircea_popescu this is untrue, it only looks similar because they're too far away. [03:52]
asciilifeform are these entirely separable? [03:52]
mircea_popescu i would say so, yes. [03:52]
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mircea_popescu (as to the other point, the orbital spybots are a crapshot. earth based antenna is obv the right approach to the problem) [03:53]
asciilifeform if we actually get the tech for rural non-simpletonism (keep own pigs -and- bake own 14nm cores) - we'll learn [03:53]
decimation it seems to me that the self sufficiency is more threatening to the omni-state [03:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: why did the rulers of ussr, china, etc. push so aggressively for mechanized agriculture? to free the plow-pullers from their toil so they can watch opera? << for efficiency. [03:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it is impossible to have rural nonsimpletonism also for fundamental reasons. [03:54]
asciilifeform 'efficiency' - 'takes function arguments.' efficiency at what, for whom. [03:54]
mircea_popescu you ever seen l'uomo delle stelle ? [03:54]
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asciilifeform nope [03:55]
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mircea_popescu you absolutely muyst see this film. the italian renaissance is important particularly because they peddle such exceptionaly clear, deep reaching intuitions. [03:55]
decimation most of the actual farmers I have met in the us are people - they can machine, weld, assemble own parts from scrap [03:55]
mircea_popescu now allow me to quote from my own recensy : [03:55]
decimation but they are a minority even in rural areas [03:55]
asciilifeform decimation: they can machine, weld, assemble own parts from scrap << sure. but can they build so much as a kalash round with own hands, to the required tolerances? [03:56]
decimation I would go with yes, many of them load their own ammo [03:57]
asciilifeform reload. [03:57]
decimation certainly peasants in pakistan can perform that feat [03:57]
asciilifeform decimation: nope. [03:57]
mircea_popescu meh i can't find where i said it. anyway, in that film, which is predicated on the notion that an urbanite goes in the rural other world (he's a fraudulent film talent scout, cinecita was a big deal in post war italy). [03:57]
asciilifeform they merely have access to seemingly-inexhaustible old war spoils [03:57]
mircea_popescu he is incredibly popular with the worms, for the obvious reason : a shot at their idea of a better life. [03:57]
mircea_popescu one of the worms in question is a shepherd. he says, 1950ish : "con le stelle se puo parlare". [03:58]
mircea_popescu fuckwit discovering the ancient sources of greek philosophy by hand on his own, two milenina late. [03:58]
mircea_popescu this is the reason you broadly cabn't have intelligent rural people : too contemplative, by the nature of what rural means. [03:59]
* asciilifeform always supposed that it was because they cannot have proper 'division of labour' [03:59]
mircea_popescu nah. [03:59]
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mircea_popescu it's because they don't get the incentive or the opportunity to use a large swath of the brain. [04:00]
mircea_popescu think, the rural noob in town has been the lol of the town's margins anywhere anytime, pick a society. coincidence ? [04:00]
mircea_popescu i think not. [04:00]
mircea_popescu to put it in the terms of the anonimity as urban/rural dispute article : the rural guy can run software without ever needing a garbage collector, because no program ever covers memory. [04:01]
mircea_popescu now this may be just fine and dandy "for some applications", but it's not a computer. [04:01]
decimation places like silicon valley were started by rural folk from the midwest, founded fairchild & invented modern transistors and IC's [04:01]
mircea_popescu decimation mind, i'm not arguing the people themselves are broken. [04:01]
asciilifeform '…like a refugee from very rural Pakistan who gets relocated to Oslo, Norway, and still thinks that he could make better food if he were only allowed to light a fire in his living room instead of using that complex electric stove. (This is a real news item. Every now and then, landlords discover indoor fireplaces and occasionally the “newbies” to civilization burn down the building.)' (herr naggum) [04:01]
mircea_popescu but the environment is unconducive. [04:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform probably related problem, tho those are usually hunters. [04:02]
decimation well, there's no doubt that they had to come to the city to meet the son of IBM founder to get money to start the operation [04:02]
mircea_popescu decimation not just money. [04:02]
asciilifeform decimation: philo farnsworth invented the raster scan while plowing a field. there's always a weirdo exception. [04:02]
mircea_popescu people who have to come to b-a to start a successful operation don't need just the money, or even the money at all. [04:02]
decimation most of them worked in big east coast corporations for several years first, true [04:03]
mircea_popescu and again, the idea that there's something wrong with the people involved is patent nonsense. kids come from the vilage to town and do better than kids born in town all the time. [04:04]
mircea_popescu but the environment doth not allow specific things. [04:04]
* asciilifeform 'east cost corporations' << had the distinct impression that most of the people here never had to walk the u.s. большая зона [04:04]
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mircea_popescu is this the chinese thing ? [04:06]
mircea_popescu o nm [04:07]
decimation "In the summer of 1940, at the age of 12, he built a boy-sized aircraft with his brother, which they used to fly from the roof of the Grinnell College stables. " [04:07]
assbot Robert Noyce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [04:07]
decimation obviously if Mr. Noyce had stayed in Iowa he would have been an advanced farmer, not the founder of modern semiconductor business [04:08]
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asciilifeform in modern usa, noyce would rot in own juices in a psychiatric ward. [04:08]
decimation quite possibly yes [04:08]
asciilifeform (or derp on 'reddit') [04:08]
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mircea_popescu shockley is perhaps the best example of totally nutso master running his harem straight into a wall. [04:09]
mircea_popescu prolly a good case study [04:09]
asciilifeform howard hughes (around same time) [04:09]
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asciilifeform not an uncommon pattern [04:10]
decimation fortunately they had the sense to follow noyce into the middle of nowhere and start a new business [04:10]
mircea_popescu at least hughes was not a boring stolid "social improvement" type. [04:10]
mircea_popescu from experience girls will forget flamboyant failure much easier than boring drudgery. [04:10]
asciilifeform shockley did, if i recall, hit upon the idea of building a sperm bank to.. hand out own sperm [04:10]
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mircea_popescu wasn't he the guy who overengineered a diode while neglecting transistors to the point nobody could afford it ? [04:12]
decimation yeah he basically said "forget about the transistor, really complicated diodes are the future" [04:13]
asciilifeform 'Shockley was the only one to publicly acknowledge his donation to the sperm bank.' (pediwikia) [04:13]
decimation that was pretty much when noyce et. al. bailed [04:13]
asciilifeform diode logic is a complete logic, incidentally. [04:13]
decimation [04:13]
assbot Shockley diode - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [04:13]
asciilifeform (so it isn't entirely clear that he was wrong) [04:14]
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decimation no, but apparently after he got his Nobel prize he became an insufferable ass [04:14]
mircea_popescu decimation this is a particular sort of methodological error strategists of the "too clean" variety make. the error is to imagine that what's in question is whether the new thing is promising (positive) rather than broken (negative). fact is any new thing that isn't broken will probably outperform any current thing simply because business is about growth. [04:14]
asciilifeform like many successful/creative types, he had a 'red dwarf phase' of life [04:15]
mircea_popescu and by too clean i mean the sort that doesn't bareback random whores because "who knows what may happen" [04:15]
asciilifeform !s simulated annealing [04:16]
assbot 5 results for 'simulated annealing' : [04:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform was this where i was disagreeing with locklin's similar idiocy ? [04:17]
asciilifeform possibly [04:17]
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asciilifeform ^ old discussion of why china failed to technoclobber europe [04:18]
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mircea_popescu ah yes. [04:18]
asciilifeform (too 'cold' in the simulated annealing sense. i.e., not psychotic enough.) [04:19]
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decimation the problem is that with something like computing, it's "somewhat broken" [04:19]
mircea_popescu where is the locklin one. basically his thesis was that "printed guns will never work because the barrel isn't sexy" [04:19]
asciilifeform hans eysenck's 'psychoticism' [04:19]
decimation the broken-ness becomes a negative externality that is distributed randomly [04:19]
mircea_popescu decimation well if there weren't problems... [04:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ah i see what you mean. i took it literally :D [04:20]
asciilifeform as i recall, locklin's observation was that 'printed' gun is a technowankerous curio, vastly inferior to an aggregation of discarded plumbing parts and a rusty nail [04:21]
mircea_popescu which it is. and yet... the discussion isn't whether it looks promising (in the terms of today) [04:21]
mircea_popescu somewhat vaguely related : the nbc producers that decided to greenlight seinfeld, the largest grossing production in the history of nbc and the thing that even made sitcoms a thing [04:22]
asciilifeform speaking of which, time for today's 'sovietism.' not one english-speaking fellow i've met seemed to know, that you can machine arbitrarily hard metals with no cutting elements (no noise, no wear, no need for massive ballscrews or slides, etc.) [04:22]
asciilifeform electrolytically. [04:22]
mircea_popescu are on the record stating something like "well these two idiots came in, one a complete nobody , the other a dork, but we figured... whatever, it's just a script, we've not spent that much money on it" [04:22]
asciilifeform this was perfected in ussr, and the only vendor of electrolytic mills (which could trivially 'etch' small - or large - arms of whatever kind, on a desktop) is still russian. [04:23]
asciilifeform it was a response to the nato embargo on selling 6-axis milling machines to the sovblok. [04:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform is it expensive to do ? [04:23]
asciilifeform expensive but only in electrical current. [04:23]
asciilifeform in materials, pauper-cheap. [04:23]
mircea_popescu hehe. "build a nuclear plant you're done" [04:23]
asciilifeform no need for exotic cutters or quality slides [04:23]
asciilifeform and the hardness of the material being cut doesn't matter at all - so long as it conducts. [04:24]
decimation you can achieve good tolerances too [04:24]
asciilifeform also scales down. (but no one, afaik, has scaled it.) [04:24]
mircea_popescu can you make a tungsten carbide shooter ? [04:24]
asciilifeform if you're fine with waiting a year for the, e.g., pistol, draw 1 amp instead of 1000. [04:25]
asciilifeform tungsten carbide is brittle. but - yes, trivially. [04:25]
decimation I wish 'maker' derps would build machining devices rather than plastic molders [04:25]
asciilifeform decimation: they do. [04:25]
mircea_popescu decimation consumer society loves plastic. it'd shove it in its collective vagina if it could. [04:25]
asciilifeform is diametric awake? [04:26]
asciilifeform he owns a cnc mill, the size of a tv set. [04:26]
asciilifeform (but he's a thinking man; no idea what 'maker derps' do) [04:26]
decimation yeah I guess cnc mill counts for that [04:26]
mircea_popescu you know one of you two needs to get a real name thing going. it's so fucking difficult for me to keep diametric and decimation apart in my head. [04:26]
decimation or cnc lathe [04:26]
* asciilifeform is satisfied with conventional lathe. but milling is another matter [04:27]
decimation heh perhaps I should pick an orthogonal basis [04:27]
asciilifeform point of the above unfinished tale is, most of the difficulty of machining as a field revolves around the unwanted sequelae of having to cut metal with metal. [04:27]
asciilifeform (or with a 'knife' in the general sense) [04:28]
decimation you mean dealing with broken bits, shavings, heat etc? [04:28]
asciilifeform and annealing. [04:28]
asciilifeform it is more or less impossible to anneal (and, opposite, harden) all but the smallest objects in 'jungle conditions' [04:28]
mircea_popescu the friction heat'd be the problem [04:28]
asciilifeform 'work hardening', yes [04:28]
asciilifeform you cut, and the metal in that place is now hardenes. [04:28]
asciilifeform *hardened [04:28]
asciilifeform have to take the piece out of the machine, anneal (soften) it, re-mount, re-align... [04:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually one should be able to anneal in jungle conditions. put gun on rock, put lens on gun around 7am. by early morning next... [04:29]
asciilifeform need even heat and specific 'curve.' [04:29]
mircea_popescu but the sun heat is even. [04:30]
decimation what about plasma cutter? wouldn't that heat while cutting? [04:30]
asciilifeform yes, you can build an oven 'archimedes'-style [04:30]
mircea_popescu something like that yea. [04:30]
asciilifeform plasma cutter is generally a 2d affair. [04:30]
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mircea_popescu decimation you familiar with adiabatic as a concept ? [04:31]
mircea_popescu "too fast for meaningful heat exchange" [04:31]
decimation yeah that makes sense, too little mass in contact [04:31]
asciilifeform outside of the russian world, electrolytic machining only caught on in 2d - this is how circuit boards are made. (photographic etching) [04:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform iirc plasma cutting is 2d for a very similar reason : too damned expensive. [04:32]
mircea_popescu there is some 3d ablative tech sort-of similar, but mostly limited to medicinal use [04:32]
decimation well water-jet cutting is up there too [04:33]
asciilifeform heat deforms. [04:33]
asciilifeform this is a bitch if you actually care about 3d geometry [04:33]
midnightmagic where's rapatan when you need him [04:34]
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TheNewDeal water-jet ... that's what I do! [04:35]
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mircea_popescu TheNewDeal srsly ? [04:39]
decimation waterjet is pretty cool, but it has its own "sequelae", not fit for pauper-tech [04:39]
TheNewDeal yah. I just set em up [04:39]
TheNewDeal they cut out granite, marble, and man-made stone for the most part. I've heard some people cut steel with em [04:39]
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TheNewDeal counter-tops that is [04:40]
asciilifeform [04:40]
assbot ('chemistry and life') 1990, vol. 1, pp. 83 - Imgur [04:40]
asciilifeform ^ posted for your pleasure [04:40]
asciilifeform for those who don't know russian, the photo should suffice. [04:40]
asciilifeform how to drill a hole without a drill. [04:40]
TheNewDeal they're CNC machines though, so you can do some cool in-lay stuff with em though I did that with a guy in chicago [04:41]
assbot imgur: the simple image sharer [04:41]
asciilifeform reprint of a 1973 article in same. [04:41]
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asciilifeform gears are routinely cut with waterjet, or plasma torch, or electric arc (not to be confused with electrolytic) machine. [04:42]
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asciilifeform but none of these are pauperizable. [04:42]
asciilifeform and they all require skill. [04:42]
decimation asciilifeform: why do all of these machines continue to use "g-code"? [04:42]
asciilifeform article suggests a useful 'household' application for the demo - poke a hole in a hardened steel knife where the handle fell off, to bolt on new handle. [04:43]
asciilifeform try this with an ordinary drill! (without annealing to destroy knife's temper) [04:43]
asciilifeform decimation: g-code << it's just simple coordinate motions, with some commands to specify tool changes, splines, etc. what would you have them use? [04:44]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal pretty cool. [04:44]
TheNewDeal pauperizable? a monkey could run this machine [04:44]
asciilifeform but could a monkey purchase it. [04:44]
mircea_popescu !up Bitcoin1011 [04:44]
-assbot- You voiced Bitcoin1011 for 30 minutes. [04:44]
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TheNewDeal a monkey with a cool 250k [04:44]
asciilifeform lol [04:44]
TheNewDeal thats funny money, not bitcoin [04:44]
TheNewDeal decimation - yes g-code is used [04:45]
decimation asciilifeform: something turing-complete? [04:45]
TheNewDeal we draw all the programs out with software called alphacam , our company adds on a toolbar that automatically generates the g-code, then you literally just upload it to the machine and hit go [04:45]
mircea_popescu i always was kinda fascinated by gem inlay/cutting. [04:45]
mircea_popescu maybe when i retire i make myself a lab. [04:46]
Bitcoin1011 Hi guys and girls, I'm looking for an android app developer with Bitcoin protocol experience, can anyone direct me? [04:46]
asciilifeform turing-complete << this brings up another interesting observation - none of today's machine tools give the computer any feedback, beyond slide end-stop sensors [04:46]
asciilifeform (even those are often absent from small machines) [04:46]
asciilifeform the computer has no idea what, if anything, was actually cut - and hwo [04:46]
asciilifeform *how [04:46]
mircea_popescu Bitcoin1011 maybe RagnarDanneskjol when he wakes up. [04:46]
asciilifeform an electrolytic mill could, conceivably, know how much metal was actually removed at time 't' [04:46]
mircea_popescu but for that matter, so am i, the kids with the apps haven't yet discovered bitcoin pays better. [04:47]
asciilifeform (current flow sensor, and, if clever, modulated current, exploit 'skin effect') [04:47]
decimation asciilifeform: that's an interesting point [04:47]
Bitcoin1011 thank you [04:47]
asciilifeform i bring up electrolytic machining to explore a point - that tech meant for 'jungle conditions' is a very different field from what is presently dealt with by 'sane' engineers. [04:47]
Bitcoin1011 Is he involved in other mobile apps in the space for my reference? [04:47]
decimation for conductive metals you could measure resistance of liquid [04:48]
asciilifeform the '3d printer' folks are still, by and large, thinking like 'normal' engineers. [04:48]
asciilifeform e.g., their only public suggestion thus far for metalwork is laser sintering - cribbed straight from ordinary industry [04:49]
TheNewDeal believing they can accomplish everything with one shitty machine? [04:49]
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asciilifeform sintering is only used in 'real life', generally, when there is no other choice (ceramics, and metals that really don't behave well in a mill like tungsten) [04:50]
decimation to me the obvious use for plastic turd is to make molds for metal pouring [04:50]
decimation I think titanium falls in that category sometimes too [04:51]
asciilifeform Ti is pyrophoric but machineable if you must. [04:51]
decimation but the process of melting and pouring most metals in jungle conditions is not very reliable [04:52]
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asciilifeform chairman mao's backyard furnaces, yes. [04:52]
asciilifeform 'homo redditicus' will not be casting, machining, water-jetting, or lasering cannon. [04:52]
asciilifeform but he might etch them. [04:52]
asciilifeform (now that we helpfully pointed out how.) [04:53]
decimation re: laser sintering: it seems to me that it is likely that you are going to leave "air bubbles" in the resulting metal, since you are melting piecemeal [04:54]
asciilifeform not merely likely, but certain. [04:54]
asciilifeform but the crystal structure disruption is the bigger deal there. [04:54]
decimation you are making "metal stew" instead of smooth puree [04:55]
asciilifeform correct. [04:55]
decimation "To achieve high density and low oxygen titanium powder is typically sintered in high vacuum." [04:56]
assbot Making Titanium Cheaper: Hydrogen Sintering [04:56]
decimation thus negating the low cost benefit [04:56]
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TheNewDeal what the hell do you all mean jungle conditions? [04:56]
asciilifeform TheNewDeal: resources available to an average person of modest means and lukewarm enthusiasm [04:57]
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TheNewDeal ahhh [04:57]
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TheNewDeal I could get you a waterjet... but it may just be a super-soaker with a paint job [04:57]
decimation even if you had a free high-quality waterjet, one would have program, get water+abrasive, monitor cut closely, maintain jet machine [04:58]
decimation none of which are going to be cheap or simple [04:58]
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decimation << not the most articulate, but mildly interesting [05:00]
assbot Tech Visionary George Gilder: "Bitcoin is the Libertarian Solution to the Money Enigma." - [05:00]
decimation it's obvious that there's a segment of silicon valley circus that sees bitcoin as a way to exit from usg [05:02]
TheNewDeal I just don't get why they think it's all about some party [05:02]
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TheNewDeal It's not libertarian - anybody can use it [05:03]
decimation TheNewDeal: libertarians are going to claim whatever success they think they are aligned with, for facebook likes. [05:05]
TheNewDeal ^laughs [05:05]
asciilifeform [05:06]
assbot ('chemistry and life') 1990, vol. 1, pp. 83 - Imgur [05:06]
asciilifeform ^ now with english translation! [05:06]
decimation my uncle was a research chemist (retired) at a large chemical firm in rural us. he was always complaining about the low quality of "chemists" who graduate from us schools [05:08]
asciilifeform decimation: aside from the unremarkable decay across the board of all things u.s., there is a specific phenomenon at work on chemists. in most u.s. schools, they do not actually teach chemistry. instead, they carry out an eleborate 'hazing ritual' for would-be med school applicants. [05:08]
asciilifeform the students are asked to simply memorize the book of, e.g, organic reactions. [05:09]
asciilifeform with little-to-none attention to principles [05:09]
* asciilifeform did a 'second tour of duty' in undergrad ochem, as adult. and saw this alive. [05:10]
decimation this is because of the relative high status of a doctor compared to a chemist actually working in a big chemical corporation [05:10]
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asciilifeform decimation: they could have, in principle, decreed two sets of chemistry courses, one for med-muppetry, one for would-be chemists. but this did not happen. [05:10]
asciilifeform * 'second tour of duty' in undergrad --- ochem << missing punctuation matters [05:11]
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decimation it is interesting how the us status hierarchy (bureaucrats on top, producers of things on bottom) has all kinds of distorting effects -- all of which is funded by the distortion of bezzle money [05:12]
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asciilifeform when and where did 'producers' inhabit anywhere but the 'bottom' ? [05:13]
asciilifeform big chemical corporation: [05:14]
asciilifeform ;;google "call in the lab nigger" [05:14]
gribble Nigger (dog) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Urban Dictionary: lab: ; Urban Dictionary: bitch ass nigga: [05:14]
asciilifeform fail [05:15]
asciilifeform [05:15]
assbot chem, Contracting Chemist - legal issues [05:15]
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decimation good point. [05:15]
assbot How the Other Half Works: an Adventure in the Low Status of Software Engineers | Michael O. Church [05:15]
decimation managing stuff is always going to be lower status than managing humans, for obvious reasons [05:17]
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asciilifeform decimation: trivially true by mere definition. [05:18]
decimation nevertheless, as mircea_popescu points out, business is about growth, and growth is about knowing how to manage stuff [05:19]
asciilifeform required reading: [05:20]
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decimation lol. apparently some monkeys recognize the usefulness of the code monkey [05:32]
TheNewDeal Quote from Tech Visionary George Glider "satoshi's worth a million bucks!" [05:32]
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asciilifeform decimation: usefulness - and malleability. [05:32]
TheNewDeal actually he may have said billion [05:33]
asciilifeform (summary of paper: monkey is taught to solve a puzzle which unlocks a dispenser of tasty food. is placed in a cage of 'uneducated' monkeys. is then reliably beaten into dispensing the food for the 'bosses.') [05:34]
decimation this is roughly the deal most "managers of stuff" find themselves in: we will pretend you are a normal human as long as you give us stuff [05:35]
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asciilifeform incidentally, for anyone who actually wants to try electrochemical machining, here is how NOT to do it: [05:44]
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assbot Electrochemical Machining - RepRapWiki [05:44]
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asciilifeform these unfortunates, who, one can surmise, don't know russian, neglected the detail that one must pump the electrolyte. [05:44]
asciilifeform the moving 'cutter' must be a nozzle where only a small area of liquid contacts the place to be cut. [05:44]
asciilifeform on account of your electrolyte being, by definition, conductive - you can pump it electrohydrodynamically. [05:45]
asciilifeform the funny thing is - they appear to understand exactly why the naive approach results in a putrid mess instead of the desired cut. [05:46]
asciilifeform but never made the obvious conclusion. [05:46]
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TheNewDeal surprised by everyone's knowledge or machining/etc in here. [05:53]
TheNewDeal I have only read the first few lines, but what's this one on ? [05:57]
assbot The Most Serene Republic, and its laws. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [05:57]
decimation TheNewDeal: you mean the Shakespeare play? [06:01]
TheNewDeal it's just a trilema article written like shakespeare, no? [06:01]
decimation no I'm pretty sure it's a direct quote from the merchant of venice [06:02]
asciilifeform [06:04]
assbot ECM for the thick - Imgur [06:04]
asciilifeform ^ for the thick [06:04]
asciilifeform if clever, emplace a magnetic field of the appropriate geometry around the fluid intake/return channels, so it is propelled entirely electrically. if even more clever, emplace a system in the reservoir to re-separate the metal from the electrolyte. [06:05]
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decimation asciilifeform: to be clear, you want to restrict the contact area of the "working liquid" to keep from ruining the whole sample, right? [06:06]
asciilifeform corret. [06:07]
asciilifeform c [06:07]
asciilifeform alternatively, use a clever electrolyte that is only an electrolyte where illuminated by a laser. [06:08]
decimation so I was going to ask about photo-etching [06:08]
asciilifeform photo-etching is century-old SOP. [06:08]
asciilifeform but strictly 2d. [06:08]
TheNewDeal sop? [06:09]
asciilifeform standard op. proc. [06:09]
TheNewDeal that's what I was thinking... [06:09]
asciilifeform every circuit board you own was created that way. [06:10]
TheNewDeal I've worked in manufacturing envirorments for a few years now, was quite familiar with that acronym but didn't think you were using it for some reason [06:10]
asciilifeform (unless you're a weirdo with a cnc mill and a very fine bit) [06:10]
decimation well, and silicon die too, more or less [06:12]
asciilifeform aye. [06:12]
decimation it is odd that the process you are proposing is very similar to existing precision volume manufacturing yet has no "buy-in" from industry [06:13]
asciilifeform because it has piss-poor ROI in ordinary industry (unless you're the ussr) [06:14]
asciilifeform but for desktop machining - perfect. so long as you aren't in a hurry. [06:14]
asciilifeform prominently missing from the napkin sketch is a number of necessaries (means for cooling the electrolyte, scrubbing metal out of it, positioning of the head, etc) [06:15]
asciilifeform but should be clear to the alert reader that such things cannot be overlooked. [06:16]
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asciilifeform you must also vent (or burn) the H and the O [06:17]
asciilifeform don't do it in your living room. [06:17]
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asciilifeform 'this has been a production of Orcish Science for the Human Experimentalist (TM). Hope you enjoyed the show.' [06:18]
decimation lol [06:18]
asciilifeform 'check out our other installments, such as Balanced Trinary Computing and Electrically Induced REM Sleep.' [06:19]
asciilifeform 'all source code in REFAL, available on magnetized wire.' [06:20]
decimation REFAL? [06:20]
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asciilifeform !s refal [06:20]
assbot 2 results for 'refal' : [06:20]
asciilifeform think 'lisp-like forth' or 'forth-like lisp' but that doesn't really cover it. [06:21]
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decimation heh. when I was young I taught myself programming with "user RPN" on HP calculator [06:22]
decimation "user RPL" that is [06:23]
decimation which in retrospect is basically lisp I guess [06:23]
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* asciilifeform was sometimes allowed to borrow one of these: [06:23]
decimation heh was that an hp knockoff? [06:24]
asciilifeform not exactly [06:24]
asciilifeform it was its own animal. [06:24]
asciilifeform even had microcode bugs that were 'useful' [06:24]
decimation original hp48 looked like it was styled in east germany: I loved the clicky "tic-tac" keyboard [06:25]
asciilifeform when you borked it, it would display this: [06:25]
asciilifeform [06:25]
assbot Lurkmore [06:25]
asciilifeform and we always wondered what an 'EGGOG' was. [06:25]
decimation lol [06:26]
TheNewDeal something really bad obviously [06:26]
TheNewDeal similar to eggnog [06:26]
decimation asciilifeform: have you studied Greek, since Cyril gave you the same typography? [06:27]
asciilifeform not other than superficially. [06:28]
asciilifeform for some reason folks who lived in latinate script all their life are obsessed with typography [06:30]
asciilifeform as if it were ever the 'hard part' [06:30]
decimation heh yeah it's pretty easy to memorize another alphabet, it's much harder to remember grammar & vocabulary [06:30]
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asciilifeform poor englishfolk don't even have character encoding in-jokes - e.g. [06:40]
assbot Lurkmore [06:40]
asciilifeform (bad encoding settings often result in hilariously-pronounceable garbage, some of which entered circulation as euphemism and otherwise) [06:40]
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decimation «оепейкчвх акъ йндхпнбйс!» [06:46]
decimation unfortunately the encoding jokes don't translate on google [06:47]
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kakobrekla satisfying log. keep up the good work. [06:53]
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decimation lol I didn't realize that there was a controversy about how to spell "Ukraine" in CyrillicВ/на [06:59]
assbot / Lurkmore [06:59]
* asciilifeform prefers viktor pelevin's уркаина - 'urkaine', which metamorphosizes over 1000 years (in one of his tales) to 'urkland' and then 'orcland.' [07:00]
decimation lol [07:01]
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asciilifeform << re: orcs. [07:18]
assbot Pigsty. - Imgur [07:18]
decimation this lurkomore is a hilarious combination of wikipedia, pravda, and 4chan [07:20]
asciilifeform more like 'encyclopaedia dramatica' but more entertaining. [07:20]
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mircea_popescu ahh that was nice. [07:26]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell Bitcoin1011: Is he involved in other mobile apps in the space for my reference? << no, he's the resident talent scout. [07:28]
gribble The operation succeeded. [07:28]
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mircea_popescu decimation: to me the obvious use for plastic turd is to make molds for metal pouring << metal pouring is a very iffy proposition tho. [07:28]
mircea_popescu assbot: Tech Visionary George Gilder: "Bitcoin is the Libertarian Solution to the Money Enigma." - << what is this, "i've caught up to 2011 let me tell you what i have now discovered" ? [07:30]
decimation yeah professionals are constantly monitoring temperature, chemical tests, adding various trace elements [07:30]
mircea_popescu it's starting to amze me, the natural cargo-cult-ish inclination of most english space dwellers. it's a sort of, 1. learn french ; 2. read some fragments of rousseau at local library, by themselves ; 3. start blog to impart your discovery that you call "the social deal" to the world. [07:31]
decimation mircea_popescu: indeed, these folks are slow on the uptake, but it is amusing to see reflections on the edge of 'real media' [07:31]
mircea_popescu instead of the more normal 1. learn french ; 2. read some fragments of rousseau at local library ; 3. proceed to read the 200 years' worth of discussion on rousseau [07:31]
mircea_popescu the rough equivalent would be, peasant goes to plow field, finds roman coin trove, mounts them in his nose, goes about town like he's invented african tribalism. [07:32]
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mircea_popescu TheNewDeal: I just don't get why they think it's all about some party << because if it's about something in their system then that validates the system in question. [07:33]
mircea_popescu "look how right we are, and how relevant to the future and general affairs as a going concern : even this bitcoin thing is about something we discuss." [07:33]
mircea_popescu for this same reason a newtonian physics professor would rather entertain phlogiston than string theory. [07:34]
decimation you have to understand, the "Libertarian party" in the US is a perennial loser, they are desperate to attach to anything that smells of success. [07:35]
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mircea_popescu moreover, the actual loser in the us, ie, the actual us, is desperate to attach the current representation of their eventual doom to something that's a perennial loser. [07:35]
mircea_popescu which is why i was talking about "in ron paul terms" yest. [07:35]
mircea_popescu makes one feel better about onesefl if can at least claim bitcoin is like you know, "that thing that's bee going on forever at the outskirts". [07:36]
mircea_popescu "the geese are not roused by the germans, but by the crows outside the gate". [07:36]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: << quoted for the battery. now that EXACT battery, so exact that a vague outline thereof is the most that's needed and the most a person of taste and discrimination would ever draw, for fear of being you know, boringingly fastidious, is a 4.5 volt 3 cell mangan oxide battery that was the most important element of my childhood. [07:38]
assbot ('chemistry and life') 1990, vol. 1, pp. 83 - Imgur [07:38]
mircea_popescu everything important depended on it [07:38]
mircea_popescu [07:38]
mircea_popescu best gift ever, too. [07:38]
mircea_popescu you could taste how full it was, also. [07:38]
mircea_popescu just strong enough to rig it to girl's bits productively, all sorts of surprising uses. [07:39]
mircea_popescu << bottom shot. paper casing. [07:39]
decimation one rarely encounters such batteries in the us [07:39]
mircea_popescu this was more of a 60s 70s and somewhat 80s thing. [07:40]
mircea_popescu the 9 volt cell things took over eventually. [07:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: with little-to-none attention to principles << the reason would be that chemistry is not a science. physics is the science. if the kids wanted the principles they'd go for physics. if they didn't that means they don't wish to understand the thing, but merely you know... be engineers :D [07:41]
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decimation most "Libertarians" are pretty much leftists with a slight preference for more "personal freedom" (the kind without personal responsibility) [07:44]
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mircea_popescu the problem with letting people self identify instead of having third parties identify them is that people will mis-selfidentify. [07:45]
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mircea_popescu part of why the wot is so fucking useful. "you're not a ceo until mp says you're a ceo" has, along with its excellent oppressive potential, some incredible value in practice. [07:45]
mircea_popescu " you will need to swap the electrolyte a few times, and clean the cavity (at least with a nail) from the products of electrolysis." from the imgur in question. this is not strictly true : in some cases the electrolyte products are protective, in some cases however they are not. depends a lot what we're drilling. (this is roughly why rust is a problem for iron but not aluminum say.) [07:47]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal: it's just a trilema article written like shakespeare, no? << it's the merchant of venice ye lout! :D [07:49]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: but for desktop machining - perfect. so long as you aren't in a hurry. << well no, see, electricity is still sold by the watt. whether you're in a hurry or not, you still need same wattage, so still are beholden to the same (rather high) cost. so i suppose "so long as you're making something small enough for your fun doing it to be worth the 0.001 cent to 1/4 dollar price transition" [07:52]
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decimation asciilifeform: << cheap GPS module that has variable pulse output up to 20 MHz, good for lab signal source [07:54]
assbot Ublox Neo 7M GPS GNSS Module Built in Data Memory Replace Neo 6M | eBay [07:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: and we always wondered what an 'EGGOG' was. << ahaha that's so cute. [07:55]
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mircea_popescu in this spirit : my old z80 clone had an english "codeword" instruction set printed out right on the kbd, as was fashionable at the time. [07:56]
mircea_popescu the word merge was there, which in romanian means "it works" (technically, "it goes") and is often a colloquialism "-merge ? -merge, merge" roughly works to "how goes it ? " "okay I guess". [07:56]
mircea_popescu so yeah, i used to include 10. Merge Merge instructions in basic programs. [07:57]
decimation I always wondered about non-English-speaking folk who had to learn "Englishisms" to program computers when I was younger [07:58]
decimation I guess the default situation is that if you can program a computer, you can learn english too [07:58]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: satisfying log. keep up the good work. << i guess we're all labrats in kako's little lab experiment. [07:58]
mircea_popescu AND HES EXPLOITING US [07:58]
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mircea_popescu decimation it's a curse hiding a blessing : in learning english as the pronounceable pigdin of computer symbols, one learns to disrespect the social conventions the language carries otherwise. [07:59]
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mircea_popescu pretty much the only correct way to learn english, if you ask me. [07:59]
decimation sounds legit [07:59]
mircea_popescu then one readily progresses, about the age of 16 or so, to realise that necessarily the same is true of their own naitve language [08:00]
mircea_popescu at which point sudden immunity to say salesmen develops. [08:00]
mircea_popescu "just because you say goto 10 don't expect me to care, nitwit" [08:00]
mircea_popescu suddenly the coder kid discovers he can be a much better lawyer than most judges specifically because he can read a cleaner version of the text than people who learned it on the "linguistics" path. [08:01]
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ThickAsThieves ;;ticker [08:01]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 472.0, Best ask: 473.39, Bid-ask spread: 1.39000, Last trade: 473.39, 24 hour volume: 17210.88179869, 24 hour low: 471.6, 24 hour high: 493.98, 24 hour vwap: 482.928376209 [08:01]
ThickAsThieves sorry guys [08:01]
mircea_popescu maybe not as clean ultimately but certainly cleaner per unit effort. [08:01]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves how goes ? [08:01]
ThickAsThieves awesome [08:01]
ThickAsThieves been shorting the shit outta btc [08:01]
mircea_popescu lol. making out like a bandit ? [08:02]
ThickAsThieves embarrasingly [08:02]
mircea_popescu good for you. [08:02]
mircea_popescu don't get caught outdoors now. [08:02]
ThickAsThieves inded [08:02]
decimation Mr. Yarvin experienced something similiar w.r.t. American culture: "For example, the first thing I remember from my first year in Maryland was something called a "pep rally." For those of you who did not attend an American public high school, a "pep rally" is basically a straight ripoff of what Albert Speer did at Nuremberg, except that (a) [08:02]
ThickAsThieves indeed [08:02]
decimation it is indoors, (b) there is not quite as much fire, and (c) there is less saluting, more screaming, and about the same amount of chanting." [08:02]
assbot Unqualified Reservations: How I stopped believing in democracy [08:02]
mircea_popescu btw asciilifeform here's one for you : [08:03]
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assbot Prikoke (fabula animata) - YouTube [08:03]
mircea_popescu planeta moldova being pretty much the only claim to cultural fame/intellectual achievement of the imaginary country of "moldavia". [08:04]
mircea_popescu the interesting thing with those people however is that they speak and old, and for this reason arguably more powerful version of romanian (still with the very romanian "all other languages are just romanian badly pronounced") and they're all fluent in russian. especially the huy-russian part of russian. [08:04]
mircea_popescu the result being a scary fucking combo of psychotic expressivity (they also drink a lot, ukrainian style). [08:05]
mircea_popescu decimation and less tits. the few (like,4 or so) actual participants at the things i ever talk too, all 4 mostly went there for the braless wonders in attendance. it was apparently THE place to meet chicks. [08:06]
mircea_popescu and speaking of which, [08:07]
decimation yeah American high school is weird that way, pretty much a mechanism for ascii's monkeys to identify the "useful" monkeys and begin the beatings [08:08]
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decimation Mr. Yarvin goes on: "If you are an American raising kids abroad and you want to reintroduce them to your country, I highly recommend this sort of shock-and-awe approach. Having to deal with an American high school was not pleasant, but it gave me a certain respect for America: it exists. Once you go to college, you are no longer in the real America. You are in a fortified outpost of future America, which has been planted in the real [08:09]
decimation America to enlighten and assimilate it." [08:09]
decimation That seems pretty much true in my experience [08:09]
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mircea_popescu you know it's bizarre, because it didn't work that way in romania of yore. we had a pretty sweet tacit agreement where the slower girls could copy for exams. generally there was a boy-genius in charge for any subject (chemistry was HARD and a chick did it, but otherwise was boys) and the guy in charge usually prepared a "for the class" version of the test (something that gave good marks but was a) comprehensible for th [08:10]
mircea_popescu e common man - or woman - so they'd not be embarassed if teacher asked followups and b) was credibly something they could come up with while still correct above a C lvl) [08:10]
mircea_popescu this resulted in a very docile and obedient population. they, for instance, always took notes. we never did. [08:10]
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decimation generally in the us none of the kids in "regular class" give a shit about grades, learning, etc, which creates a different social dynamic [08:11]
mircea_popescu at the time in question, you literally could not go on a date if you sucked in school. [08:12]
decimation because no one was going to beat them if they failed basic pre-algebra [08:12]
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ben_vulpes i learned at an early age the correlation between grades and what one learned [08:12]
mircea_popescu i mean you could be cool other ways, but an inability to ace something meant you, in so many words, sucked. [08:12]
mircea_popescu this attitude was principally what distinguished the privileged hs from the prole "vocational" w/e. [08:12]
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mircea_popescu so i guess in a sense the observed difference readily reduces to "well, the us is a true popular democracy : they have no privileged highschool, everyone goes to the prole vocational crapolade" [08:13]
ben_vulpes "no privileged highschool" [08:14]
ben_vulpes bahahahaha [08:14]
decimation yeah, if you had brains generally better schools made provision for you to escape to the 'nerd class' [08:14]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes mind, privilege is a very specific thing. [08:14]
decimation but the context is set by prole thinking [08:14]
mircea_popescu it is when everyone else is taught to get out of your way because you are better than them. [08:14]
ben_vulpes i am indeed coming in on the tail of this one - to what specifically do you refer? [08:14]
ben_vulpes that's why i sniped the best public school girls throughout hs [08:15]
mircea_popescu ah but outside of personal experience, i'm discussiong a system. [08:15]
mircea_popescu obviously some kids will do fine in any conceivable arrangement. [08:15]
ben_vulpes storytime! [08:15]
mircea_popescu this is, in so many words, the whole hope of humanity. [08:15]
ben_vulpes actually i'll not interrupt. [08:15]
mircea_popescu im done :) [08:15]
mircea_popescu well not done with the logs and pinging ascii, but with this skein [08:16]
ben_vulpes well in that case [08:16]
ben_vulpes i attended a particular hs (OES, for the lurkers), and rode the bus home instead of driving as I got more reading time out of the experience. [08:17]
ben_vulpes OES being in deep southwest and my home being in the near SE (bezzlar-ployees having to live near the mega fabs and my father not being one, we lived in the cool part of town:, i had much time to use for reading. [08:17]
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mircea_popescu tits, meanwhile. for the... lurkers. [08:18]
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cazalla ATO released their bitcoin guidance today [08:18]
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ben_vulpes at some point during sophomore year i realized that my bus passed a local public hs, so i stopped in at the starbucks outside of campus, timing my arrival to be some days thirty minutes before class got out and some days thirty minutes after class got out (i had no rationale at the time, but it was a good call) [08:19]
ben_vulpes this made me many "friends" outside of school, and for a kid going to a school whose entire HS complement numberd 190, this mattered. [08:20]
mircea_popescu hs got campuses nao ? splurge. [08:20]
ben_vulpes i did [08:20]
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ben_vulpes mpoe still trading in the sevens [08:20]
decimation mircea_popescu: "traditional" US high school has massive facility mostly serving school athletics [08:21]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes almost looks like it may reach 6! [08:21]
mircea_popescu but anyway, so what's the punchline ? [08:21]
ben_vulpes so i'm retarded right? [08:22]
mircea_popescu THAT's the punchline ? [08:22]
ben_vulpes this implies to me that mpoe holders are dumping to move their coins to usd like typical momentum traders [08:22]
ben_vulpes winklevoss etf comes online, btc legs down to 380 briefly, mpoe trades at what - six again? [08:23]
mircea_popescu nfi. [08:23]
decimation ben_vulpes: that's when you hit the buy button right? [08:23]
ThickAsThieves building bubbles ain't easy! [08:24]
ben_vulpes whither the mpex smarts? or is everything wackily correlated and when btc rockets to 800 come march o'clock does doge briefly cross 50 satoshi again? [08:24]
ben_vulpes so what if ben_vulpes has it his way and by say 2050 most people that are people actually live in one ? << uh pardon? [08:24]
mircea_popescu submarines. [08:24]
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ben_vulpes just because it makes sense to mine high-density rare earths from the seafloor doesn't mean any significant number of meatwads are going to be living subsurface. [08:25]
mircea_popescu and in this you are wrong. [08:25]
mircea_popescu why do you think california even exists ? [08:25]
ben_vulpes plate tectonics? [08:25]
ThickAsThieves i'd live subsurface, if it were cooler [08:26]
decimation the thing that sucks about submarines is that when you are on the surface they are unstable [08:26]
ben_vulpes decimation: aren't they most stable subsurface though? [08:26]
decimation so you get a terrible ride unless you can be underwater for a long time [08:26]
decimation right underwater the ride is great, but you need energy source that doesn't depend on breathing air [08:26]
ben_vulpes well, lettuce see. the submarine is submerged. it does not care about "weather" in either fluid sense. with the new fleshlights and tumblr pr0nz... i defy you to find a bunch of 20somethings whose current life would be differen if they were subbed. < ah [08:27]
mircea_popescu decimation let's put it this way : long before 2050 it will be feasible to build a submersible that never surfaces, can host one redditard and weighs under 1k tons. [08:27]
mircea_popescu that's a cost of about 100k in scrap metal. ie, affordable. [08:27]
mircea_popescu the tech exists today, integrally. [08:27]
decimation yeah such a thing is probably near the realm of possibility, I agree [08:28]
mircea_popescu you don't need "air", you need oxygen. oxygen is in water, and not expensive to get out. [08:28]
mircea_popescu burning the resulting hydrogen in your own atmosphere a) purifies the air and b) makes water. [08:28]
mircea_popescu drinkable water i mean. [08:28]
decimation you need an energy source to break the water bonds [08:29]
mircea_popescu energy is not actually expensive, both nuclear and geothermal generators can conveniently live submerged. [08:29]
mircea_popescu and fully automated at that. [08:29]
mircea_popescu in this sense, global warming would be a boon for humanity, if it weren't a wholly concocted piece of nonsense. [08:30]
ben_vulpes what is this chive thing [08:30]
decimation as ascii's quote of Mr. Yarvin points out, one would then make themselves a slave to Neptune, who isn't a forgiving master [08:30]
mircea_popescu ppl trying to be cool. [08:30]
mircea_popescu decimation zephyr is better ? [08:31]
decimation good point. or worse, those who worship statues of themselves [08:31]
mircea_popescu living makes one live, this much is agreed. merely pleading to ignorance isn't much contribution (and his tendency to plead to nonsense is why i dislike curtis) [08:31]
mircea_popescu specifically : just because you're used to zephyr's inconveniences to the point you don't notice them anymore [08:31]
mircea_popescu whereas the neptune inconveniences appear uncommon and thus remarkable, [08:31]
mircea_popescu doesn't say anything useful. to fish water is as unremarkable as air to you. [08:31]
mircea_popescu but there's no underwater tornadoes. [08:32]
decimation nor do hurricanes, earthquakes, etc make much difference to the fish [08:32]
mircea_popescu no living thing underwater was ever pierced by a tootphick turned into a pike by "unseasonable" winds. [08:32]
mircea_popescu there's no ocean hail. [08:32]
mircea_popescu no thing can kill you by fallling on your head under water. [08:32]
mircea_popescu i nearly got done in in romania by a 5 sq inch, 100 gram piece of tile that fell a foot in front of me, from ten or so floors up. [08:33]
decimation one thing I would certainly grant: it would be far easier for humanity to escape to the ocean floor than to the harshness of space [08:33]
mircea_popescu unforgiving master indeed. [08:33]
mircea_popescu exactly. [08:33]
mircea_popescu now grant one more thing : there's going to be no space until long after the ocean floor is alma mater. [08:33]
decimation agreed. [08:34]
mircea_popescu so there we go. [08:34]
mircea_popescu curtis yarvin a footnote of meaninglessness in a larger discussion, as every fucking time. [08:34]
decimation yeah, he has a tendency to "drive-by" interesting points without actually making a point [08:35]
mircea_popescu that much doesn't even annoy me, my problem is that he without exception ends up pleading to ignorance, to numbers, to baculum, to some fallacy. [08:35]
ben_vulpes how about the marijuana supports terr.. oh, wait` << from a conversation with a client earlier today: "pot makes you stupid! if my son keeps smoking, i'm going to cut him off." [08:35]
mircea_popescu it's like reading curtis bouvard, guy read alot but never had any sort of help to become a systematic thinker. [08:36]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i can see that. [08:36]
ben_vulpes kid's probably just retarded to begin with. [08:36]
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mircea_popescu holy shit! Musi-Puxi! [08:37]
mircea_popescu dude this is too good. [08:37]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you could taste how full it was << YES that battery. [08:37]
musi-puxi o hai stan. [08:37]
asciilifeform 'плоская батарейка' (flat batt) [08:37]
asciilifeform saw it open, 3 1.5v cells. [08:38]
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asciilifeform electricity is still sold by the watt << most humans don't have 1000 amp feeds, hence 'no hurry' observation. [08:38]
mircea_popescu now i can say mp stands for musi puxi and nobody will fucking know just how great it is. [08:39]
asciilifeform 'priced by the watt' is only approximately true in this sense. [08:39]
asciilifeform cheap GPS module that has variable pulse output << no accuracy to speak of for short intervals (signal distortion of atmosphere, etc) [08:39]
mircea_popescu aEYaOPEDEK ahahah [08:40]
decimation asciilifeform: I think they make a version with TCXO, doubt cheap chinese version has [08:40]
mircea_popescu you yourself nahryuer [08:41]
decimation yeah "neo 7-N" is the version with TCXO [08:42]
asciilifeform us is a true popular democracy : they have no privileged highschool << nope [08:42]
* asciilifeform went to one [08:42]
asciilifeform (admit by exam. plenty of these here.) [08:42]
decimation asciilifeform: generally only in the big cities though [08:43]
decimation at least for "public" school [08:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well then all is well with the world. [08:43]
mircea_popescu no true popular democracy exists [08:44]
mircea_popescu as predicted by... welll, everyone always. [08:44]
mircea_popescu << moldavian highschool. [08:45]
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decimation asciilifeform: the datasheet artfully declines to provide any spec for timing accuracy - long or short term [08:45]
asciilifeform decimation: no need for data sheet here. there's a reason people build atomic clocks (plural) instead of having just one built and listening to it via radio. [08:46]
decimation yeah, but if you are going to build a module purporting to provide timing it would be nice to provide typical allan variance at various intervals, etc [08:47]
asciilifeform 'Вопрос читал?' << 'have you read the question?' =~ 'бНОПНЯ ВХРЮК?' << bnopnya grunted in? [08:47]
mircea_popescu decimation: mircea_popescu: minor nitpick - I don't think USG employees get dental actually << generally no, but afaik nsa folk do. [08:47]
asciilifeform dental << at any good 'rupture farms' like mine, they have dental [08:48]
mircea_popescu so there. [08:48]
asciilifeform ;;google rupture farms [08:48]
gribble RuptureFarms 1029 - Oddworld Wiki - Wikia: ; Abe's Oddysee - This Is Rupture Farms (Intro FMV) - YouTube: ; Oddworld Abe's Oddysee Rupture Farms Intro PS1 - YouTube: [08:48]
mircea_popescu As the protests in Ferguson, Missouri over police fatally shooting 19-year-old Mike Brown have raged through the past several nights, more than a few people have noticed how relatively quiet Facebook news feeds have been on the matter. While #Ferguson is a trending hashtag, Zeynep Tufekci pointed out at Medium that news about the violence was, as best, slow to percolate through her own feed, despite people posting libe [08:49]
mircea_popescu rally about it. [08:49]
cazalla ;;seen kyrio [08:49]
gribble I have not seen kyrio. [08:49]
mircea_popescu now let's wonder why exactly is the usg dept of facebook able to spend 20bn on some random purchase of a valueless firm [08:49]
cazalla anyone know kyrio (left me -10) because of something to do with danielpbarron [08:49]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust kyrio [08:50]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask kyrio! Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user kyrio: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Feb 3 23:38:33 2014 [08:50]
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mircea_popescu Scammed my buddy...**BUYER/SELLER BEWARE** [08:50]
mircea_popescu apparently some scammor. [08:50]
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* asciilifeform as 9 y.o. boy, tried in vain to buy a flat battery in usa, 'what is this pisshole' [08:53]
mircea_popescu ;;rate kyrio -3 does not understand how the wot works or what it's for. [08:54]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of -3 for user kyrio has been recorded. [08:54]
mircea_popescu should more or less fix the problem. [08:54]
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RagnarDanneskjol speaking of - mp - Thanks for the referral; what more could a guy ask? think I'm gonna be a dork like pete & throw that up on my website. [08:54]
RagnarDanneskjol I actually have a history with those guys and would be derelict in my b-a duties if I didn't raise a cautionary flag… THey hired one of my best devs to adapt a python arb model… Payment commitments to said dev got a little squirrely. Also, I volunteered my own time to fix their website, redid all the html, css, wrote most of their content and they kind of blew it off without even a [08:54]
RagnarDanneskjol thank you. [08:54]
mircea_popescu you got a website ? [08:54]
RagnarDanneskjol oh yea [08:54]
mircea_popescu and which guys are these. [08:54]
RagnarDanneskjol the ones who asked about dev support earlier today [08:55]
RagnarDanneskjol They reestablished contact today once they put Ragnar & me together, want to retain me again, sent a job order. So, I am withholding final judgement pending a come-to-jesus conversation we're scheduled to have tomorrow so I can get to the bottom of what transpired. [08:55]
asciilifeform why rust is a problem for iron but not aluminum say << rust is actually electrochemical phenonemon. so not a problem for this experiment (after - is different question) [08:55]
mircea_popescu [08:55]
assbot Communist Russia Party Dance SWAGGA! (DARUDE - SANDSTORM) - YouTube [08:55]
mircea_popescu now you do it. [08:55]
mircea_popescu (or make gf do it :D) [08:55]
RagnarDanneskjol ha [08:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah i realised as i was typing that the connection is actually not as close as i'd have liked. [08:56]
mircea_popescu then i wondered how to fix, and then i realised that well... no way really, best wait to be taken to task for my business insider treatment of science. [08:56]
mircea_popescu << this is the reason we like ukraina btw. [08:56]
assbot Ukraine Got Talent - The world's best pole dancer - Anastasia Sokolova - YouTube [08:56]
RagnarDanneskjol wow [08:57]
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asciilifeform submarine rough ride << float a tethered photovoltaic array. problem solved. [08:58]
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mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol and you should see twelve year olds. [08:59]
mircea_popescu no butt, no heavy thigs, can walk on that thing. [08:59]
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asciilifeform his tendency to plead to nonsense is why i dislike curtis << 'wannabee' polymaths are doomed to 'plead nonsense' [09:00]
RagnarDanneskjol I am blind mostly, so [09:00]
asciilifeform no living thing underwater was ever pierced by a tootphick << ever see a fish explode? [09:01]
mircea_popescu (something liek ) [09:01]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform only if brought up. [09:01]
asciilifeform aye [09:01]
asciilifeform the equivalent of us falling down. [09:01]
mircea_popescu notrly. [09:02]
mircea_popescu there's no magical gravity of water surface., [09:02]
asciilifeform no - but there's buoyancy. [09:03]
mircea_popescu not to the degree. [09:03]
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mircea_popescu no fish got ever splatted by distance sqaured. [09:03]
asciilifeform right. [09:03]
mircea_popescu << that's a particularly juicy one decimation [09:05]
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mircea_popescu think of it. could not find decent rng to make keys [09:05]
mircea_popescu for months, this. [09:05]
mircea_popescu i mean, i kept mpex online for a few days more than the consensus'd have expectd or called reasonable on occasion. [09:05]
mircea_popescu there's some difference here. [09:06]
asciilifeform could not find decent rng to make keys << different story here. [09:06]
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mircea_popescu hm ? [09:06]
asciilifeform it is generally known that in nsa-lande, only nsa is permitted to generate keys [09:06]
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asciilifeform they are flown, by courier, to the field. [09:06]
asciilifeform in briefcases. [09:06]
asciilifeform with signatures, forms in triplicate. [09:06]
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mircea_popescu TheNewDeal: because? << specify what are you trying to accomplish. impossible to explain what's wrong with any given methodology to resolve an undefined problem. [09:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes. [09:07]
asciilifeform this was the inspiration for my 'country of which nothing is known but the name' piece. [09:07]
mircea_popescu this is sane. [09:07]
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mircea_popescu but this was not the problem. [09:07]
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asciilifeform clearly they had a small problem assembling the priests, finding a suitable goat (or virgin - or both) to sacrifice on schedule, etc. [09:08]
mircea_popescu *: asciilifeform is still waiting for the first leak from the u.s. dept. of wherever-the-stoolie-reports-from-btc-exchanges go. << there was recently a dump of everyone-on-coinbase, for instance. [09:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the problem wasn't they couldn [09:09]
mircea_popescu t find a briefcase, or paper for forms, or a currier or gas for the plane. [09:09]
mircea_popescu the problem was they couldn't ok the keys. [09:09]
asciilifeform why the briefcase didn't parachute down on time, is not told in the tale [09:10]
* asciilifeform wasn't there [09:10]
mircea_popescu master in charge of saying "this key is ok to be used in production" refused to say so. [09:10]
asciilifeform or was on a bender [09:10]
mircea_popescu bureaucrats looked at cost to fix problem vs try and get rid of him, miscalculated. tried the latter. [09:10]
mircea_popescu the effort failed. [09:10]
mircea_popescu this pissed master off. [09:10]
mircea_popescu cue successive list of idiotic, bureaucratic "attempts" to "in good faith" "make progress towards fixing going forward" [09:11]
mircea_popescu cue string of obscenities. [09:11]
mircea_popescu etc. [09:11]
mircea_popescu once one actually promotes cold callers and phone marketeers to govt positions, there are bound to be problems. [09:11]
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asciilifeform he expects no impact to the satellite’s planned design life of 14 years.... he says. “We put enough fuel onboard to pretty much fire those thrusters continuously. << 'folks who won't do arithmetic are doomed to talk nonsense' (j. mccarthy) [09:12]
mircea_popescu lol [09:12]
asciilifeform who, precisely, he expects to fool ? [09:12]
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mircea_popescu well... people who don't do arithmetic ? [09:14]
asciilifeform student exercise: assume xenon, etc. fuel for ion engine, stored at 300 atm. say, 1g/sec expenditure. calculate size of tank that holds 14 yrs. worth of thrust. [09:14]
mircea_popescu ;;google xenon atomic mass [09:15]
gribble Chemical - Xenon (Xe): ; Xenon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; #54 - Xenon - Xe: [09:15]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 3600 * 24 * 365 * 14 / 1000 / 54 / 300 [09:15]
gribble 27.2533333333 [09:16]
mircea_popescu 27 1/4 cubic meters ? [09:16]
asciilifeform now, what was the volume of the machine. [09:16]
RagnarDanneskjol isnt the thrust energy needed to calculate this? [09:16]
mircea_popescu well definitely no satelite the size of the washington monument was ever put in space. [09:16]
asciilifeform qed. [09:16]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol no cause he gave me 1g/s [09:16]
RagnarDanneskjol oh duh [09:17]
asciilifeform ^ a piddling minimum [09:17]
asciilifeform afaik the world record holder was the american 'keyhole' series of machine - size of a bus. [09:17]
mircea_popescu for shits and giggles : [09:18]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 57.38 * 6 * 3.13 [09:18]
gribble 1077.5964 [09:18]
mircea_popescu that's a german uboat. so like... a satellite about halfway between a bycicle and a nazi uboat. [09:19]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform was this put in orbit with the use of the russian's rockets or arianne ? [09:20]
asciilifeform titan [09:21]
mircea_popescu the 3b did what, 3tons ? [09:22]
asciilifeform ~20 [09:23]
asciilifeform (if i recall) [09:23]
mircea_popescu well if the satellite was nothing but a pressurized xenon container, it may have somehow squeezed in. [09:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 3b - 3 tons (pediwikia) - aha. [09:24]
mircea_popescu maybe general whatshisname speaks the truth [09:24]
asciilifeform 4 - 20 tons. [09:24]
mircea_popescu wait. i see here leo 20 tons. [09:25]
mircea_popescu you're not about to tell me someone put a 27 cubic meter thing in low earth orbit ? [09:25]
mircea_popescu what is it, a parade float ? [09:25]
asciilifeform 'keyhole' is more famous as 'hubble telescope' (that one got turned upside-down.) [09:26]
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mircea_popescu what was hubble, like 11tons ? [09:26]
asciilifeform approx. [09:27]
asciilifeform (as per public specs) [09:27]
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mircea_popescu Vexual: roundup resistant ganja? i think someones trolling << think more, roundup resistant coke. [09:28]
mircea_popescu the whole of the production control stragety in columbia is to helispray [09:28]
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mircea_popescu if that goes away, the current usg-friendly columbia govt goes away. [09:28]
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asciilifeform so they'll spray 'agent orange' - or napalm [09:29]
mircea_popescu yeah. right., [09:29]
mircea_popescu because if you give iraquis a ton of m16s they're not going to raid your embassy with them [09:29]
mircea_popescu so you have to evacuate the whole shebang like crazed rabbits, and do a shit job of cleanup in the process [09:30]
mircea_popescu so people all over the intel community can laugh at you for yet another week, for yet another reason. [09:30]
mircea_popescu totally great idea, give columbia napalm. [09:30]
asciilifeform 'give' as in drop. [09:30]
mircea_popescu what, from the 27 cubic meter satellitarian tanks ? [09:31]
asciilifeform lol [09:31]
mircea_popescu shit's heavy mate. [09:31]
asciilifeform presumably from aeroplane [09:31]
mircea_popescu flown from where, the faulklands ? [09:31]
mircea_popescu cuba ? [09:32]
asciilifeform florida? [09:32]
mircea_popescu oh, canaveral ? [09:32]
mircea_popescu SATELLITE NAPALM! [09:32]
asciilifeform muppet platoon knows from where - not me [09:33]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol: be moar vigilant with teh monies << the problem with that article, as with all "studies" of its ilk, is that it makes the (generally reasonable, now not) herbi mistake, as detailed here : [09:34]
asciilifeform point of the 'roundup' thread being, if genetical engineering were presently 'a thing', there's be cocainatious mildew growing in your neighbour's bathtub, and colombia would be exporting llama stockings [09:34]
assbot No argument pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [09:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not that kind, the useful kind. merely the current kind, ie, the resistant thing. [09:35]
asciilifeform righto [09:35]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform imagine if you could genetically engineer human females [09:36]
mircea_popescu not necessarily so they're slut, [09:36]
mircea_popescu but so they're infertile and past the age of 16 or so, their breast tissue secretes copious lsd. [09:36]
mircea_popescu now that's a woman for a lifetime. [09:36]
asciilifeform we're aaalmost there. [09:36]
mircea_popescu have her breastfeed the dog, watch it meow. [09:36]
mircea_popescu Duffer1: my stomach isn't a basketball anymore << poor duff. [09:37]
asciilifeform soviet scientist declares, 'we've invented a shit-to-food converter.' 'does it work?' 'sorta. spreading on bread: worlks!!11! eating - not quite yet.' [09:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 7 @ 0.08145503 = 0.5702 BTC [+] {2} [09:38]
mircea_popescu Duffer1: it was quite painful, and i refused pain meds until the ct scan results came back and the dr said "your appendix is all messed up, we're transfering you to a different hospital, ambulance is en route, take pain meds now" << there is this legendary romanian surgeon who supposedly sutured his own appendix. this may be apocryphal, in any sense i wouldn't try to undergo surgery w/o painkillers, tis nonsense. [09:39]
* asciilifeform tried to dig out the paper re: psychoactives spotted in bartholin's gland secretions, fails to turn up - perhaps too sleepy [09:39]
asciilifeform leonid ivanovich rogozov. [09:40]
mircea_popescu not surprising. [09:40]
mircea_popescu cuntjuice can drive one wild. [09:40]
asciilifeform rogozov << autoappendectomy, not cuntjuice [09:41]
asciilifeform no idea if a fellow from Ro ever pulled a rogozov - but hard to say why not [09:41]
mircea_popescu now im starting to suspect it may just be a case of romanians stealing a good story. [09:42]
asciilifeform lol [09:42]
mircea_popescu as the period sort-of matches. [09:42]
mircea_popescu so... yeah. [09:42]
mircea_popescu Antibiotics were administered directly into the peritoneal cavity << holy shit fucking soviets. [09:43]
asciilifeform 'twas this or fellete his makarov, i imagine. [09:44]
mircea_popescu actually peritonitis resolves naturally in about 5ish percent of cases. [09:44]
asciilifeform auto-appendektomy - like seppuku but double the work. [09:45]
mircea_popescu well no. seppuku aims to open the large liver vein. apendectomy, oppositely, to not open it. [09:45]
asciilifeform in historic overviews of seppuku, the thing that always caught my eye was the slow progression from honest full-out gut deposition to the late-meiji (and 20th c. - see herr mishima) token slice followed by 'kaishaku' beheading stroke. [09:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: (linked earlier) << pure gold. these folks are in 'tilt mode.' <<< let the permanent record reflect why "Julian Close has been a business writer since the first day of the twenty-first century, having written for PRA International and the United Nations Department of Peacekeeping." won't be able to support his fambly la [09:47]
mircea_popescu ter this decade. [09:47]
assbot Whatever happened to Bitcoin? (Hint: nothing good) - [09:47]
* asciilifeform hopes to live to see a spammer physically starve to death [09:48]
* asciilifeform goes off to bed to dream of this dream [09:49]
mircea_popescu speaking of spammer : "You can see closing trades for all Julian's long and short positions and track his long term performance via twitter: @JulianClose_MIC ." [09:49]
mircea_popescu now try check out that acct. 100 followers, pixelated user pic... [09:49]
mircea_popescu we're supposed to not know what astroturf means or something. [09:49]
mircea_popescu << stuff like this, incidentally, is subtly indicative of the usg failure. inasmuch as grand national-socialist schemes such as the gs are collapsing and being replaced, it's quite clear that in its quest to arrive at that "nobody can grow as much as a potato without asking for permission", the national-socialist government is moving away rat [09:51]
mircea_popescu her than towards the target. [09:51]
assbot Replacing The General Schedule: Some Facts : [09:51]
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mircea_popescu but anyway, check out the lone GS-15 under age 24 in 2013. [09:53]
mircea_popescu there were 3 gs-14 under 24 in 1998. fifteen years later, two left, the third was promoted. [09:53]
mircea_popescu make a guess : is the third the best or the worst of the group of 3 ? [09:53]
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[]bot Bet created: "BTC >= $2,000 before March" [09:59]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker [10:01]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 468.39, Best ask: 474.85, Bid-ask spread: 6.46000, Last trade: 474.87, 24 hour volume: 15994.19071420, 24 hour low: 466.0, 24 hour high: 493.98, 24 hour vwap: 482.673562406 [10:01]
BingoBoingo %t [10:01]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 221 Last Price: 170 24h-Vol: 10k High: 170 Low: 170 VWAP: 169 [10:01]
mircea_popescu wow sticky price huh. [10:02]
mircea_popescu %d [10:02]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 197414.53 in 1880 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -89.49 [10:02]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you never got around to getting that larger rig involved did you [10:02]
mircea_popescu %[ [10:02]
mircea_popescu %p [10:02]
atcbot [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.31 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1466.02 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.82 TH/s [10:02]
mircea_popescu here's a funny blast from the past : [10:04]
mircea_popescu Aug 11 23:50:49 Current Blocks: 193432 | Current Difficulty: 2036671.0886933 | Next Difficulty At Block: 193535 | Next Difficulty In: 103 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 15 hours, 40 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2183270.15599682 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.197974583 [10:04]
mircea_popescu bitcoin difficulty august 2012 was... about hte same as atc difficulty august 2014. [10:04]
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BingoBoingo lol I was thinking about that when I first rented a rig for ATC, that ~2 or 3 years ago there were times where all of Bitcoin's nethash was less than the rented rig's [10:08]
BingoBoingo Back in the days when terrahash was a network "goal" and Petahashes were crazy [10:09]
mircea_popescu mhm. [10:10]
mircea_popescu i ... remember these days. [10:10]
BingoBoingo I remember reading about Bitcoin those days, thinking one of these day's I'll grab a couple graphics cards. I wasn't thinking enough back then. [10:11]
mircea_popescu im possibly one of the very few people not regretting not having started mining "earlier" [10:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00070262 = 15.809 BTC [-] {3} [10:14]
BingoBoingo Oh I don't regret my lack of "mining," I regret thinking food as so valuable and not buying in grotesque quantity. [10:16]
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mircea_popescu lol [10:26]
[]bot Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "BTC >= $2,000 before March" Odds: 1(Y):99(N) by coin, 1(Y):99(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,989. [10:27]
penguirker New blog post: [10:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 45 @ 0.022 = 0.99 BTC [10:29]
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cazalla took a moment [10:30]
cazalla oh, tits [10:31]
RagnarDanneskjol ( . Y . ) :D [10:31]
BigBitz Tits are good. [10:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.00069971 = 23.3353 BTC [-] {3} [10:33]
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mircea_popescu lol [10:46]
assbot Making My Eulorian Cake and Eating It in Ossasepia [10:46]
mircea_popescu pankkake mebbe add that to the list ? [10:46]
mircea_popescu not sure what the policy is there, "blogs by assets ppl" ? or "blogs about btc" ? [10:46]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo pls to send 1500 atc to 1FUneWXoi6eqC2p1F2rDrEsrApawPa9wCx ty. [10:47]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal: was this the first popular block explorer ? << popular no, but the first yes. [10:49]
assbot Home - Bitcoin Block Explorer [10:49]
BingoBoingo %tslb [10:50]
atcbot 45 minutes and 37 seconds [10:50]
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mircea_popescu !up ryguy_` [10:54]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: On its way [10:55]
mircea_popescu ty. [10:55]
ryguy_` tyty [10:55]
mircea_popescu yw. so who're you ? [10:56]
diana_coman thanks mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo [10:56]
BingoBoingo You're welcome diana_coman [10:56]
diana_coman the posts are just for fun, lol [10:56]
mircea_popescu l [10:56]
mircea_popescu o right, and bitcoin is for serious. [10:56]
ryguy_` man of leisure turned wageslave to build a saas for businesses [10:56]
diana_coman ahahaha, true [10:56]
diana_coman for serious fun :p [10:57]
mircea_popescu only seriously funny once someone loses an eye. [10:57]
ryguy_` sneak a look at bitcoin stuffs when im taking a break [10:57]
mircea_popescu ryguy_` now that's a transition. [10:57]
ryguy_` what do you guys think of this [10:57]
assbot Liberum Consilium: a system design for moderated deliberation [pdf] | Hacker News [10:57]
mircea_popescu so you love saas so much, platonically, that you;ll abandon your hyperion-freedom to become a mere mortal for its sake ? [10:57]
ryguy_` its like an identity, reputation, proposal (legislation, etc) system [10:58]
mircea_popescu can it be not a pdf ? [10:58]
ryguy_` yaaaaaa i know [10:58]
mircea_popescu also, can it quote stuff like the wot, bitcoin assets and so on ? [10:58]
ryguy_` you got some command line tools to deal with pdfs ? [10:58]
mircea_popescu i deal with pdfs exactly like i deal with the tim swansons of the world. "who asked you anything and what gives you the impression you have something to answer with." [10:58]
ryguy_` yeah i stumbled into it like 4 years ago still trying to shepard it to passive income land [10:59]
ryguy_` needless to say i was unaware of btc, just getting my head back on my shoulders concering 2008 crash and what it really meant, etc [10:59]
ryguy_` plus the powers that cant maintain their quo are making things real obvious right now [10:59]
mircea_popescu helpful isn';t it. [11:00]
ryguy_` anyway, yeah i'd rather be in a south american city screwing with btc but i got commitments like whats his face from the shining [11:00]
mircea_popescu the irony of the situation is that with enemies like these, btc really doesn't need any friends. [11:00]
ryguy_` are you talking about me or the link i pasted [11:00]
ryguy_` or a third [11:01]
mircea_popescu neither. " the powers that cant maintain their quo" [11:01]
ryguy_` ahhhhh yeah haha [11:01]
ryguy_` i love how some of the garbage intel agencies have the squid over the globe imagery [11:01]
mircea_popescu amusingly, i think this was discussed. [11:01]
ryguy_` so i wanted to make a blog called painful squid and highlight all the retarded shit they've been doing [11:01]
mircea_popescu !s octopus [11:01]
assbot 26 results for 'octopus' : [11:01]
ryguy_` like [11:01]
mircea_popescu not a bad idea. especially if you can get some wistleblown material. [11:02]
ryguy_` germany resending their request for the gold from the fed [11:02]
mircea_popescu like, a "terrible company" clone for usg, especially the intel stuff... [11:02]
ryguy_` its kind of a hyped up, superficial situation [11:02]
ryguy_` but it definitely falls in line with the saving of face thats being attempted [11:02]
mircea_popescu TSA, Terrible Spy Agency blog. [11:02]
mircea_popescu let people vent and rage about how much their employer suck [11:02]
mircea_popescu how clueless management i [11:02]
mircea_popescu how they don't do anything useful and so on [11:02]
ryguy_` yeah i'd love to get quality info [11:02]
ryguy_` put it up on a tor service or whatnot [11:03]
mircea_popescu just use a htmlform pgp drop and a published key. [11:03]
ryguy_` string together some openbsd boxes or grsec boxes and give it a go from afar in a 3rd world country [11:03]
ryguy_` i dont trust the circlejerk psyops and stuff going on now though [11:03]
ryguy_` spys spying on spys spying on spys [11:03]
mircea_popescu anyone can send you w/e the shit they feel like. afaik that's how cryptome work [11:04]
mircea_popescu s [11:04]
ryguy_` cryptome says wikileaks was a intel agency job and assange is in the embassy collecting leaks on behalf of god knows who [11:04]
mircea_popescu i think they just randomly publish anything. [11:04]
ryguy_` rather let this thing fall to pieces and get in afterwards on the infowar stuff [11:04]
ryguy_` yeah [11:04]
ryguy_` well just in general, you got these other news papers with their leak drop boxes. im sure plenty of them are run by handled individuals. feel sorry for the unsavvy leaker at the moment [11:05]
ryguy_` and snowden too, what a mindfuck. is it just a cia hit on the nsa for the budget ? who knows, who cares [11:05]
ryguy_` btc is more productive than leaks because idont have what it takes to not get doxxed [11:06]
ryguy_` for me [11:06]
mircea_popescu works. [11:06]
ryguy_` i do want a seat on your exchange, though [11:07]
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mircea_popescu well the good news is that they're still available. [11:07]
ryguy_` but im writing 'all work and no play makes ryguy_` a dull boy' over and over so when im done with that i need to get my gpg keys in wot and all that [11:07]
ryguy_` i thought it was infinite seats [11:07]
mircea_popescu indeed. [11:08]
ryguy_` nice man [11:08]
ryguy_` math always saves me [11:08]
ryguy_` cant wait until the slaves (sheep)i want a transparent ledger equities market [11:09]
ryguy_` instead of the sigma 6 circus we got now [11:09]
mircea_popescu nobody ever wanted that except for bona fide merchants [11:10]
mircea_popescu the same types that push for 0% taxation. [11:10]
mircea_popescu in fact, a good quality nyse is less likely than no tax. [11:10]
ryguy_` oh yeah [11:10]
ryguy_` you are preaching to the choir [11:11]
mircea_popescu it's what i do best! [11:12]
ryguy_` im over the system and how it works and stuck on trying to help decently smart people understand whats going on [11:12]
ryguy_` i always give them an out with [11:12]
ryguy_` "the FED might have been the best option we had at the time" [11:12]
ryguy_` knowing that isnt true [11:12]
mircea_popescu well in the sense stalin was the best option at the time, and hitler too. [11:14]
BingoBoingo Well, the Fed was the best weapon for defeating the soviet union while turning into a worse soviet union [11:14]
ryguy_` yeah [11:14]
ryguy_` im over the geopolitics too [11:14]
penguirker New blog post: [11:14]
penguirker New blog post: [11:14]
ryguy_` zebig brezenski ruined it for me [11:14]
ryguy_` as a kid i thought being a 'statesman' was a respectable thing [11:15]
ryguy_` now a days im thinking [11:15]
ryguy_` this asshole is running things with the kagans [11:15]
ryguy_` its fun watching putin deflect like bruce lee with a hand behind his back [11:15]
mircea_popescu well stateman is a respectable thing. not very many ones good at it left in teh west. [11:16]
ryguy_` what kins of things do you guys see blockchain based equities/securities exchanges competing with eachother on in the future [11:17]
ryguy_` network effect, standard nyse/nasdaq type shit thats going on now [11:18]
ryguy_` (minus the fraud) [11:18]
ryguy_` i think any good statesman would be sitting this current round (or incarnation) out [11:18]
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mircea_popescu prolly so. [11:18]
ryguy_` i dont know much about the technicalities by way of how your service connects with btc but [11:19]
ryguy_` do you think high frequency trading or polling type strategies would or will be prominent ? [11:20]
ryguy_` i just wanna invest and execute trades for clients and ease everyoneeeee into a btc based stock market like warren benjamin graham [11:21]
ryguy_` its hard to discern what is or is not related to the fraud, or a byproduct of the fraud going on now a days. Im open to the argument that hft creates liquidity but how much liquidity does a market need, ya know [11:22]
BingoBoingo ;;google high speed trading mpex [11:23]
gribble BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC) - Bitcoin Forum: ; Some basic discussion of Bitcoin macroeconomy pe Trilema - Un ...: ; The EVE online noob guide. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [11:23]
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ryguy_` oh wow thanks [11:25]
ryguy_` ok so yah im _quite_ familiar with bitcoin and things that take place on the blockchain [11:25]
ryguy_` and how that would definitely not allow any hft stuff to go down [11:25]
ryguy_` anyway. bigtime respectable thing you guys got going on here. especially the trash talking which is just brilliant. and settling with the SEC, wth. i cant even really find any reading on that SEC issue though [11:28]
mircea_popescu ryguy_`> do you think high frequency trading or polling type strategies would or will be prominent ? < in a word, no. [11:28]
mircea_popescu ryguy_` short version : guy retired his mpex issue. sec desperately wanted to purchase some relevance, so they tied some blown glbse/twitter offering he had with the mpex offering, and pretended like they scored some sort of victory. [11:29]
mircea_popescu this is so transparently ridiculous half the bureaucracy is laughing at them, leaving aside wall street and the people not actually involved in the us nuthouse. [11:29]
mircea_popescu but hey, working for the govt means you gotta eat the shit you gotta eat. [11:30]
ryguy_` i worked at a firm and we had to keep all the records incase the SEC guys showed up [11:30]
ryguy_` so this dude just gave back some kind of equity shares in mpex or a listed company like a retired couple gives back a condo timeshare [11:31]
ryguy_` he conducted some other transaction and SEC claimed those shares were apart of that other transaction ? [11:31]
mircea_popescu mkay, it's like so. guy made a "feedzebirds" thing, which he listed on glbse, which simply imploded. [11:32]
ryguy_` yeah [11:32]
mircea_popescu guy listed sd on mpex. about a year later, he claimed someone bought it and so it was delisted. mpex shareholders received a negotiated, fair compensation and it was the end of the matter. [11:32]
mircea_popescu the sec got a 20k settlement for the former, and is pretending it got a settlement for the pair. [11:33]
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mircea_popescu this is fine, inasmuch as it has no ill effect and increases the general supply of lulz, [11:33]
mircea_popescu which in the end is what backs bitcoin. [11:33]
ryguy_` haha [11:33]
mircea_popescu point in case. [11:34]
ryguy_` hay, man [11:34]
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ryguy_` i cant wait for title insurance companies to go busto [11:38]
ryguy_` and the govt to eat shit - gonna be great [11:38]
ryguy_` wish i had your skillset, man. or wish i put the effort in like you did, my dad and his grandfather we're both follower backoffice managers for wallstreet comapnies and growing up i thought financial markets were the most boring shit in the world until 2008 & bitcoin [11:39]
mircea_popescu nothing is boring if done well. [11:41]
ryguy_` yeah ive been coming around to that more and more at the ripe age of 30 [11:42]
ryguy_` 18-26 was all deprogramming myself from what i'd been taught, if i knew i was deprogramming it or not [11:42]
ryguy_` thank god for the internet - i dont think i'd ever have come around to realize 'fiat = war machine' among all the other things without it or a patient individual to walk me though it [11:46]
ryguy_` without the internet, that is. i've been awake for far too long to make sense. [11:47]
mircea_popescu well, no game without a good pvp component is ultimately woth playing [11:47]
mircea_popescu everything worth doing is a war machine. [11:47]
ryguy_` yeah shit is definitely a dualistic world [11:47]
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ryguy_` doesnt take long to realize that information really is $$$$ in this day in age from a number of angles [11:49]
ryguy_` and not in some faux big data bullshit kind of way [11:50]
ryguy_` what a wimper [11:53]
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mircea_popescu why so mean [12:38]
kdomanski I would be funny if you could do that [12:38]
kdomanski *uit [12:38]
kdomanski *it [12:38]
kdomanski damn beer [12:39]
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assbot Wellington Bomber - DocuWiki [12:40]
punkman pretty impressive [12:41]
RagnarDanneskjol wow 23 hrs [12:41]
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assbot Shameless couple have sex on crowded beach in Magaluf | The Sun |News [13:00]
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punkman mircea_popescu: heh noobs, should have gone to deeper water [13:09]
mircea_popescu i suspek a noob is you. they're too deep as it is, seawater is corrosive and in any case a girl goop solvent. [13:09]
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punkman mircea_popescu: definitely not somethin to do for 40 minutes [13:13]
mircea_popescu ikr? [13:13]
mircea_popescu actually thinking about this... i suspek the sun may be not telling the truth as it is [13:14]
punkman but a quickie while trying to keep afloat, that's pretty fun [13:14]
mircea_popescu helps if she has decent buoys. [13:14]
cazalla sand in vagina? [13:16]
mircea_popescu yeah i don't get this entire do it at the beach thing. [13:17]
mircea_popescu i get the do it in public thing, and do it in public to girls you just met thing, [13:17]
punkman what's wrong with the beach? [13:17]
mircea_popescu but gimme a fucking ottoman for her to faceplant on, a cushion, something. [13:17]
mircea_popescu punkman sand. salty water. too hot. [13:17]
mircea_popescu ever saw snails fuck on the hot asphalt under the sun ? [13:18]
cazalla i did it at the beach with my first gf and it was nothing like the movies [13:19]
punkman hah [13:19]
mircea_popescu cazalla i did it with a bunch of pron chicks. [13:19]
mircea_popescu it... also was nothing like the movies they made. [13:19]
mircea_popescu i do not credit the theory this has to be because of me. it must be something else. [13:19]
punkman well last time I found some nice flat rocks under shade, worked out pretty good, with the nice sea breeze and all [13:20]
mircea_popescu was she on her back or on her knees ? [13:21]
punkman there's even more options! [13:22]
punkman next time I'm bringing a foam mattress [13:22]
mircea_popescu my point being that in the former case her ventral hip bone will rub her skin raw [13:22]
mircea_popescu whereas in the latter, knees. [13:23]
cazalla rocks sound even worse tbh [13:24]
punkman better than sand [13:24]
mircea_popescu s/ventral/dorsal but anyway [13:24]
punkman [13:25]
cazalla slip, gash your hands open on oyster shells or something [13:25]
mircea_popescu nice beach/natural port tho [13:25]
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cazalla pankkake, is that you? [13:27]
cazalla sorry, punkman [13:27]
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cazalla because that guy looks like he has some a cup titties [13:28]
mircea_popescu comments appreciation day : possibly the most re-read comment section on trilema. [13:28]
assbot A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [13:28]
mircea_popescu re-read by me i mean. i think it's like the 6th or so time [13:28]
punkman cazalla: lol, I see it now [13:30]
punkman no that's just another dude [13:30]
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punkman btw first time I saw so many cameras at a nudist beach. always thought it a bit of a faux pas [13:39]
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RagnarDanneskjol think it varies per region [13:41]
mircea_popescu twenty years ago it was an outrage. [13:41]
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mircea_popescu today, nude people generally expect to be filmed and get depressed if apparently nobody cares. [13:41]
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RagnarDanneskjol does anyone know the appx current size of ATC's blockchain (in GBs)? I know i could just look @ the blockcount & calculate, can't too late for maths [13:45]
punkman RagnarDanneskjol: there's like 3 transactions total, shouldn't be too big [13:46]
Apocalyptic RagnarDanneskjol, I have 55 MB [13:46]
RagnarDanneskjol I could have sworn I saw more than that, but wow ok [13:46]
RagnarDanneskjol nice, thank [13:46]
mircea_popescu what gbs ? like 50 mb yteah [13:47]
pankkake I have 49M, though my data is a few days late [13:47]
Apocalyptic I may have included the wallet size too [13:47]
mircea_popescu lol [13:47]
mircea_popescu "i may have also included some vacation pics&tits" [13:47]
Apocalyptic heh [13:47]
pankkake bernankoin is 683M. take that [13:48]
mircea_popescu yeah but you got all that 3d printing equipment. [13:49]
RagnarDanneskjol pankkake I'm working on another blockexplorer for it, will send you email detailing shortly [13:50]
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pankkake why me? [13:50]
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RagnarDanneskjol cause you are the only other one on the git, figured you're the guy [13:50]
pankkake for updating the web page you should contact ThickAsThieves [13:51]
nubbins` ben_vulpes: how about the marijuana supports terr.. oh, wait` << from a conversation with a client earlier today: "pot makes you stupid! if my son keeps smoking, i'm going to cut him off." <<< ahh my sides [13:51]
nubbins` "i'm going to cut him off" [13:51]
nubbins` "it's the recreational drug use that's making him stupid, not hanging off daddy's golden teat" [13:51]
mircea_popescu why me? << that's what she said. [13:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33922 @ 0.00069703 = 23.6447 BTC [-] {3} [13:52]
RagnarDanneskjol ha - pankkake - I don't really care about the webpage, thought you were developing for it - or is it just Thieves? [13:53]
pankkake I changed a few values to make it like the coingen settings [13:53]
mircea_popescu nobody is really developing for atc. pankkake helped with a bunch of stuff as i think the first guy with a clue to get involved. [13:53]
RagnarDanneskjol okee [13:53]
pankkake however, as true altcoin developer, I had no idea what I was doing [13:54]
RagnarDanneskjol ha [13:54]
punkman %d [13:54]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 198881.78 in 1878 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -89.41 [13:54]
punkman looks like it'll be months before diff change [13:54]
RagnarDanneskjol maybe I'm missing something, how are there no txs - thought it was being used for WoL [13:55]
mircea_popescu 1880 at 10:02 1878 at 13:54 a dozen or so a day, like five m0onths :D [13:55]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol there are a few, just not so many, so it's a common joke. [13:55]
Apocalyptic maybe I'm missing something, how are there no txs // there are plenty [13:55]
RagnarDanneskjol ok thought so [13:56]
punkman RagnarDanneskjol: WoL board moves on each block, not much betting to be done right now [13:56]
RagnarDanneskjol i see [13:56]
mircea_popescu it actually found 12 blocks in the past ~16 hours, so like 100 days at the current rate. [13:57]
mircea_popescu %p [13:58]
atcbot [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.06 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1459.91 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.07 TH/s [13:58]
mircea_popescu hm. whtf is happening thar tho. [13:58]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo hey, did X-Rob's rig die or something ? [13:58]
BingoBoingo It must be down [13:59]
mircea_popescu ding ding X-Rob! IMA DOCK YA! [13:59]
BingoBoingo << chart [14:00]
assbot _-=* CoinMiner Pool *=-_ [14:00]
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RagnarDanneskjol I could be wrong, but something tells me that is a pool issue [14:03]
RagnarDanneskjol is ATC the only coin they have active? all other coin pages are non-existent [14:04]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol something as in what ? [14:05]
RagnarDanneskjol lots of experience fukin with pools [14:05]
RagnarDanneskjol and all the other coins pages are not live [14:06]
RagnarDanneskjol [14:07]
assbot [Pool] _-=* CoinMiner Pool *=-_ 42 [14:07]
BingoBoingo Well it seems to be reporting 60 GH/s in other hash on the pool [14:07]
RagnarDanneskjol I get no datqa received for tht page [14:08]
BingoBoingo ? [14:08]
RagnarDanneskjol browser says "No data received" [14:09]
mircea_popescu odd. [14:10]
BingoBoingo I see a page that when you scroll down a bit has this chart [14:12]
assbot imgur: the simple image sharer [14:12]
RagnarDanneskjol google coinminer pool - first hit after the forum links straight to ATC pool - all the other coin tabs on top of that page lead me to dead links -I'm almost certain thats the only coin being mined there - unless I'm missing something [14:13]
RagnarDanneskjol right I see that too [14:13]
RagnarDanneskjol all other coin pools are not there I believe [14:14]
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RagnarDanneskjol ahh - found something other than ATC - [14:16]
assbot p2pool [14:16]
pankkake I've had issues with that pool [14:16]
RagnarDanneskjol p2pools always seem to have issues - what was yours? [14:18]
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pankkake I was mining but it was rejecting my submissions, or maybe just not registering them. I forgot [14:19]
RagnarDanneskjol slow/inconsistent shares are to be expected unless you have 100% uptime [14:19]
pankkake yeah, I know [14:20]
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BingoBoingo It was picked because it seemed to suck least for the purpose here, and getting paid in the coinbase tx makes it easy to verify payments [14:22]
RagnarDanneskjol I know more than a few highly competent pool hosts if this one proves unreliable [14:22]
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RagnarDanneskjol I could almost do it myself, but not quite [14:23]
BingoBoingo Well, it's worked so far which is a timeline which stretches back to... this past weekend [14:23]
RagnarDanneskjol OH [14:23]
BingoBoingo I mean the pool is much older than that [14:24]
RagnarDanneskjol I see [14:24]
BingoBoingo It's just since ATC stalled out it was the only pool that was responsive to our rented hash [14:24]
RagnarDanneskjol gotcha - I'll work on that [14:25]
BingoBoingo And the p2pool type paying with the coinbase tx is very desirable, if it were replaced or needed to be replaced, that is a thing I'd like to see [14:25]
RagnarDanneskjol sure [14:25]
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BingoBoingo For now though it seems the simplest explanation is prolly the rig's down [14:32]
BingoBoingo Byt X-Rob explained there's some stuff this pool does that isn't optimal... so a replacement wouldn't be horrible down the line [14:32]
BingoBoingo X-rob would have to explain what the not-quite optimal stuff is [14:32]
RagnarDanneskjol I'd almost bet $ its the pool, but are they not one in the same provider? [14:33]
RagnarDanneskjol i could point some hardwarev there myself to test later today [14:34]
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mircea_popescu I know more than a few highly competent pool hosts if this one proves unreliable << so hook something up [14:38]
nubbins` ahahahaha, [14:38]
assbot Ice Bucket Challenge Gone Wrong - Imgur [14:38]
nubbins` amazing how few people understand physics and gravity [14:38]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [14:38]
nubbins` "maybe if i push this heavy object off a rail, it'll upend itself for some reason" [14:39]
mircea_popescu nubbins` that first fucktard... jesus god she's bleeding from the tits [14:39]
mircea_popescu quick, a badaid, a pastie ,s omething [14:39]
mircea_popescu god forbid the internet sees anon nipple or something, someone may care [14:39]
mircea_popescu she'll be turned down for employment and dental insurance. [14:39]
mircea_popescu her children will catch the gout. [14:39]
nubbins` heh [14:39]
nubbins` the best is the third one [14:39]
nubbins` where the guy drops a 50lb weight on his daughter's heads [14:40]
RagnarDanneskjol I already suggested a few a while back when this discussion first took place. I will gather my list and get it all ready later today [14:40]
mircea_popescu cnat even find someone to dump water on her head, figures someone gives a shit about her tits. [14:40]
nubbins` ahhh i can't breathe [14:40]
mircea_popescu omfg [14:40]
RagnarDanneskjol is first that comes to mind [14:41]
assbot LiveChains UK [14:41]
cazalla fire challenge is better imo [14:42]
mircea_popescu assfucking challenge is best. [14:43]
nubbins` [14:43]
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BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: From ther faq [14:43]
BingoBoingo What are Tilera and Arbor [14:43]
BingoBoingo Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit. Repellendus, nobis, dignissimos, voluptatibus veritatis aliquid magni labore tempora fugit rerum eaque deserunt odio voluptatum recusandae assumenda beatae veniam maxime eveniet iste!Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit. Suscipit repellendus velit rem libero dicta sint rerum id quasi! Fugit, dolorum eligendi alias veniam praesentium at rerum aut sapiente [14:43]
BingoBoingo in cumque. [14:43]
chetty cnat even find someone to dump water on her head, figures someone gives a shit about her tits.//problem is of course that they do, at least next time she wants a job or smthn [14:44]
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mircea_popescu in trhat case the problem is them. but srsly... [14:44]
mircea_popescu if my job were to screen all applicants for possible interwebs exposure... [14:44]
mircea_popescu i can't tell these people apart. unless she starts writing her gpg fingerprint on her boobs nobody can tell her from eve. [14:45]
chetty well yeah its their problem but still not gonna get that job ... [14:45]
mircea_popescu could you say if this animated gif is this irl girl or not ? [14:45]
chetty I am sure there are people that can, the data collection monster knows all (well almost) [14:46]
mircea_popescu << someone explain this ? [14:46]
mircea_popescu chetty not out of 200x200 px srsly. [14:46]
RagnarDanneskjol BoingoBoingo - they just switched to a new template for their page and clearly are off their game. I and several others have hired them in the past (going back over a year ago) and they deliver pools as described... I think they have p2pool also, but dont see listed [14:47]
nubbins` mircea_popescu that's actually not water, but a super-slippery fluid with almost zero friction coefficient [14:47]
nubbins` the other two girls have gecko feet [14:48]
nubbins` or they're wearing crocs [14:48]
mircea_popescu or they're you know, the sort of brainstem limited derps that'd be on facebook. [14:48]
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RagnarDanneskjol BoingoBoingo - Im gonna call them right now to figure out their status (phone #s on the page) [14:50]
BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: Oh, cool [14:53]
RagnarDanneskjol talkin - they picked right up [14:55]
RagnarDanneskjol wow [14:55]
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RagnarDanneskjol Ok - I spoke to Mark with his charming british acent -they are a little backlogged, but can deliver pools in 36-48 hours, also offer cloud mining contracts. These guys are fukin pro.. Imma follow up with email to you guys w/ details. Worth giving them a call just to hear what they're up to. [15:03]
RagnarDanneskjol they can do p2pool or whatever you need [15:04]
BingoBoingo Interesting [15:04]
RagnarDanneskjol they came highly recommended from the LA bitcoin regulars - heard of them a year ago and used them myself for a small test pool a ways back [15:05]
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RagnarDanneskjol once pools are setup, the backend control panel stuff is super simple to manage yourself [15:07]
BingoBoingo %p [15:08]
atcbot [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.06 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1356.06 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.68 TH/s [15:08]
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mircea_popescu not so bad, which one of you is it ? [15:13]
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HeySteve hi [15:16]
BingoBoingo Hi [15:16]
novusordo [15:17]
assbot Bitcoin Expands as Stock Price Falls (Update) [15:17]
HeySteve mircea_popescu the slogan points to [15:17]
HeySteve novusordo from that link "Coinbase is an international digital wallet" - not truly int'l as nations sanctioned by USG are excluded [15:21]
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punkman "As Bitcoin expands across the world and their stock price falls to historic lows on Wall Street, crypto-currency remains one that is open to everyone." [15:33]
punkman lol [15:33]
nubbins` mp, nice graphic [15:36]
nubbins` are you sure that's not an egg being fertilized? ;D [15:36]
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mircea_popescu HeySteve universal is much better than "international" [15:44]
mircea_popescu as afaik no nation has yet been recognised by the blockchain, and so... [15:44]
mircea_popescu nubbins` well as sure as you can ever be when eggs fertilisation comes into play. [15:45]
mircea_popescu novusordo hey there. [15:45]
nubbins` !up aspho [15:45]
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-assbot- You voiced bertani_ for 30 minutes. [15:46]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33710 @ 0.00069723 = 23.5036 BTC [+] {2} [15:48]
aspho Oh, thanks nubbins. [15:49]
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nubbins` np [16:01]
The20YearIRCloud hi [16:02]
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aspho Been reading the logs for the last long time, before coming here. Learning the variety speak. [16:08]
mircea_popescu hows that coming along ? [16:09]
aspho Pretty good, still a lot of archives to cover. [16:10]
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aspho Thanks nubbins but gotta run, back later tonight. [16:18]
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nubbins` hahah [16:20]
nubbins` lel @ usagi [16:20]
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nubbins` ;;gettrust assbot usagi [16:20]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask usagi!~tsukino22@unaffiliated/tsukino. Trust relationship from user assbot to user usagi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -5 via 7 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012 [16:20]
kakobrekla !up usagi [16:21]
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usagi thanks. I wanted to ask aspho a question heh, but thanks [16:22]
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usagi So, anyone into Django Reinhardt"? [16:28]
usagi Some of his work with Beryl Davis is my favorite [16:30]
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nubbins` if only he'd worked with bernard purdy ;( [16:33]
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usagi What genre would you call that? sounds a little funky [16:35]
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nubbins` usagi, i think they call it "math rock" [16:36]
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nubbins` i bought the rights to their first album yesterday :0 [16:37]
nubbins` these are really early recordings, from before they even had a bass player [16:37]
nubbins` [16:37]
usagi the rights? so your into music then [16:38]
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novusordo mircea_popescu hiya [16:40]
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usagi Most of the music I like is so old the copyright has expired [16:42]
mircea_popescu copyright covers performance you ninny. unless you're listening to an amphora capture of original greek choruses, it's covered alright. [16:43]
usagi I would imagine thats why he bought the rights [16:44]
usagi So for example he could then play the music in a venue that didn't purchase cover song licensing [16:44]
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nubbins` actually, i bought the rights so i could re-release the album [16:44]
usagi You must really like these guys hehe [16:45]
* nubbins` nods [16:45]
nubbins` amazing album from a band that's on the top-five list of every music lover in the city [16:47]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [16:47]
nubbins` and they broke up two weeks after they released it, so there were only ~25 copies ever bought [16:47]
mircea_popescu and yet you look nothing like john cussack [16:48]
nubbins` haha [16:49]
nubbins` above the collar, sure [16:49]
usagi I plan to get into music a lot more once I retire [16:49]
nubbins` why wait? and also, i thought we were all retired? [16:49]
usagi My job is exhausting. [16:49]
mircea_popescu yeah who let the unretired in! [16:49]
nubbins` ^ [16:50]
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mircea_popescu this is the internet house of old people AND GIT OFF MA LAWNS [16:50]
nubbins` your job is exhausting, so you can't listen to music to unwind? :/ [16:50]
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nubbins` !up aspho [16:50]
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usagi I mean playing music. I am split between the piano and the guitar [16:50]
nubbins` ah [16:50]
usagi I really, really like both instruments. I'll probably end up with piano [16:51]
mircea_popescu nubbins` reminds me of the woman that claimed she can'tr fuck because migraine [16:51]
mircea_popescu as if that's not the exact and only cure. [16:51]
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nubbins` dude, you ever masturbate with a headache? once you cum it's SO MUCH WORSE [16:51]
mircea_popescu not for guys [16:51]
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mircea_popescu real men don't get headaches. [16:51]
mircea_popescu no head to ache. [16:51]
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mircea_popescu (also i dont recall the last time i jacked off) [16:52]
nubbins` !up usagi [16:52]
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nubbins` ;o [16:52]
nubbins` fun fact, magic mushrooms are an effective treatment for cluster migraines [16:53]
mircea_popescu people ridicule the every sperm is sacred doods, and i can see it [16:53]
mircea_popescu but i tell you... seems such a waste. [16:53]
nubbins` ah, man and his symbols [16:54]
mircea_popescu more like nude practicality. i cant keep up with the girls anyway, why make it worse. [16:55]
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* nubbins` claps softly [16:57]
chetty you havent lived till you have had Coital cephalalgia [16:58]
nubbins` hah [16:59]
mircea_popescu that, a glass eye and a spastic colon ? [16:59]
nubbins` i thought we all had spastic colons? [17:00]
chetty is a rare type of severe headache that occurs at the base of the skull before orgasm during sexual activity [17:00]
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nubbins` hmm, i have a jar of almond butter that's been recalled due to salmonella risk [17:12]
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mod6 oh cool, is back [17:17]
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pete_dushenski ;;bc,stats [17:35]
gribble Current Blocks: 316642 | Current Difficulty: 2.38446700388033E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 318527 | Next Difficulty In: 1885 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 0 hours, 9 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 26952826341.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.03501 [17:35]
pete_dushenski ;;ticker [17:37]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 499.92, Best ask: 501.98, Bid-ask spread: 2.06000, Last trade: 501.99, 24 hour volume: 15603.05805411, 24 hour low: 466.0, 24 hour high: 502.95, 24 hour vwap: 484.781556984 [17:37]
pete_dushenski o hey 500 [17:37]
BingoBoingo I'm a bit behind, is 500 rising or crashing? [17:37]
HeySteve rising, about $30 in 8 hours [17:38]
pete_dushenski [17:39]
assbot Important read on randomness and Kolmogorov complexity: This is why entropy matters: [17:39]
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HeySteve [17:49]
assbot Deckbound -- digital collectible trading card games built on top of the Bitcoin blockchain [17:49]
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: and by too clean i mean the sort that doesn't bareback random whores because "who knows what may happen" << this point has me reflecting. am i scanning the world of business ideas for puuurfect? when non-broken will suffice? well fuck. [17:55]
pete_dushenski decimation: heh perhaps I should pick an orthogonal basis << there's always the ol' first_last! [17:57]
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pete_dushenski asciilifeform: 'homo redditicus' << lulz. let's make this term canonical [18:01]
pankkake what's wrong with redditard? [18:02]
pankkake great description btw [18:03]
assbot Urban Dictionary: redditard [18:03]
pete_dushenski really, nothing [18:03]
pankkake "One must always be aware that their fodder for arguments consists of internet memes and attempts at being witty" same goes for twitter, not that you could do anything else there [18:03]
pete_dushenski less scientific, less gay jokey [18:03]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: the students are asked to simply memorize the book of, e.g, organic reactions. << myeah. tis perfect med skool prep [18:04]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: more 'weedout' than prep [18:08]
pete_dushenski well 'prep' in the sense that if you can't memorize the bible in latin, med school will rape you [18:09]
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asciilifeform pete_dushenski: the interesting part of that thread was that, afaik, there isn't anywhere you can go in usa to study 'proper' chemistry [18:11]
asciilifeform (other than a library) [18:11]
pete_dushenski right. a concept which stretches across much of university [18:12]
nubbins` <- CS degree, wrote exactly two working programs as part of my CS curriculum [18:12]
pete_dushenski mistaking them for learning institutions is how you end up 29 yo and single [18:12]
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pete_dushenski and on tinder [18:12]
nubbins` is that the app that lets you anonymously tell women you want to cum on their tits? [18:13]
asciilifeform nubbins`: we had actual program-writing (os, compiler, busloads of data structure crud, etc.) [18:13]
nubbins` asciilifeform jealous :/ [18:13]
asciilifeform nah 'tinder' should be an app where you sign up to burn on the stake. [18:13]
nubbins` hey, this printer stopped mid-page with an out-of-ink warning. i fixed the problem, and it's picking up where it left off. [18:13]
nubbins` have never seen this in action before :0 [18:14]
pete_dushenski nubbins`: tinder is grindr for straight pplz [18:15]
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nubbins` is grindr that app that lets you anonymously tell men you want to cum on their tits? [18:15]
pete_dushenski sorta "hi please to hook up with me based on glamour shots from when i was 5 years younger" [18:15]
pankkake tinder isn't anonymous, it requires facebook [18:16]
pete_dushenski nubbins`: lol yup [18:16]
pankkake and a smartphone [18:16]
pete_dushenski now there's a market: anonymous smartphone apps! [18:17]
mike_c ;;later tell RagnarDanneskjol are you working on an ATC block explorer? [18:17]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 117 @ 0.00600099 = 0.7021 BTC [+] [18:18]
pete_dushenski decimation: 'pep rally' << been to a few of these myself. because morale! at least our school had the bestest cheerleaders in the city [18:20]
asciilifeform (unrelated) [18:21]
assbot Video Oddities Ep 77 - Chad VanGaalen's Molten Light - YouTube [18:21]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell mircea_popescu more on the fasting [18:22]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:22]
assbot Who Are We? Not Nationals | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski [18:22]
pete_dushenski 17 comments: a record is me [18:22]
pankkake (didn't read) [18:24]
assbot An Interesting Paper on Calorie Restriction [18:24]
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pete_dushenski pankkake: we're trying to tease apart the research on calorie restriction and that on fasting, but still interesting [18:25]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: at the time in question, you literally could not go on a date if you sucked in school. << sounds like some kind of miracle land compared to the anti-intellectual "i are sportsstar" culture here [18:26]
nubbins` asciilifeform, i'm a huge chad vangaalen fan [18:30]
nubbins` why's the audio so shit on this version? [18:31]
nubbins` [18:32]
assbot Chad VanGaalen - Molten Light (OFFICIAL VIDEO) - YouTube [18:32]
assbot usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5 [18:33]
asciilifeform !up usagi [18:33]
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usagi For me, one of the most interesting features of a water fast is that your body will cut down on it's extraneous muscle mass as well as body fat. I will have to try it one of these days [18:33]
usagi When I read that it gave me a number of ideas [18:33]
nubbins` "extraneous muscle mass" [18:34]
usagi I mean it sounds obvious, but actually, the way in which the body goes about reducing it's muscle mass is something which is fascinating to me [18:34]
asciilifeform kurt godel was a master of 'caloric restriction' [18:34]
nubbins` asciilifeform [18:35]
assbot Shave My Pussy - Chad VanGaalen - YouTube [18:35]
usagi Well nubbins when I say that I mean certain things about opposing muscle tension [18:36]
usagi It's some random sports medicine stuff I am studying [18:36]
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nubbins` oh, no way? cool [18:40]
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usagi Yea it has to do with your body overcompensating for keeping it's balance (for example) by adding extra muscle mass to groups of muscles in reciprocal inhibition, mass you don't need and which interferes with your motion [18:41]
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usagi My theory is if you perform certain kinds of exercises your body will cut out the extraneous muscle mass inhibiting your motion and you will be able to move/respond quicker using less energy. Useful for sports [18:42]
usagi I also imagine the restriction would also allow you to increase or reduce the ratio of fast twitch fibres, because theoretically the body wouldn't toss out muscle mass which is being frequently used [18:43]
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thestringpuller usagi uh, it has more to do with flexibility of ligiments [18:52]
thestringpuller nubbins`: we acceot [18:53]
* nubbins` scrolls backwards to quote [18:53]
thestringpuller accept your offer. can we discuss terms today? [18:53]
nubbins` sure, i'm back and forth here for the next hour or so [18:53]
thestringpuller lemme see if i can get the designer on the line [18:54]
nubbins` how many did ya want, 6 or 12? [18:54]
nubbins` or ___? [18:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 46 @ 0.0127 = 0.5842 BTC [-] [19:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 13.25936164 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1153 satoshi per share [19:00]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 28.45581781 BTC to 14`329 shares, 198589 satoshi per share [19:04]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.51099305 BTC to 14`329 shares, 10545 satoshi per share [19:05]
thestringpuller nubbins`: desogner is walking to class. so in about 30 minutes he will be here [19:08]
nubbins` no sweat [19:08]
nubbins` not really much to go over. graphics in vector format, preferably .AI with spot colors [19:08]
nubbins` 300dpi+ psd files grudgingly accepted [19:08]
thestringpuller LOL [19:09]
BingoBoingo [19:11]
assbot Mya Aaten-White, Ferguson Shooting Victim, Says Police Have Not Interviewed Her | Riverfront Times [19:11]
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TomServo hey hey hey, shit in StL is too serious - we need to focus on beheaded journalists now. [19:14]
nubbins` ^ [19:15]
BingoBoingo "We want to find out who and what agency took possession of the bullet," he said. "We want to identify who was responsible for firing the weapon that ended up with a bullet being lodged in the front of Mya's head." [19:15]
BingoBoingo When we spoke with him several hours later, the story just got weirder. [19:15]
BingoBoingo "I've talked to both the St. Louis County Police Department and Ferguson...they have no file number, no report," he said. "They don't have anything." [19:15]
nubbins` yeah, don't you dummies realize a white guy was killed the other day? [19:15]
nubbins` BingoBoingo: the hospital would have taken note of who took the bullet, no? [19:16]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Might be time to break out the aluminum foil [19:16]
BingoBoingo Makes pretty wallpaper [19:16]
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pete_dushenski [19:32]
assbot noPhone. A technology-free alternative to constant hand-to-phone contact. [19:32]
pete_dushenski "With a thin, light and completely wireless design, the noPhone acts as a surrogate to any smart mobile device, enabling you to always have a rectangle of smooth, cold plastic to clutch without forgoing any potential engagement with your direct environment. Never again experience the unsettling feeling of flesh on flesh when closing your hand. " [19:33]
pete_dushenski lulz [19:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 555 @ 0.00119996 = 0.666 BTC [+] [19:33]
nubbins` Q: for those of us with metal-and-glass phones, is there an alternative to the classic noPhone? plastic is yucky. [19:34]
pete_dushenski that's a premium upgrade [19:34]
nubbins` ah [19:35]
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pete_dushenski as bugs bunny used to say "that's all folks!" [19:36]
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thestringpuller !up petepolack [19:43]
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thestringpuller nubbins`: you still there? [19:43]
thestringpuller petepolack is the designer [19:43]
nubbins` hi [19:53]
thestringpuller one second he is getting in WoT [19:53]
thestringpuller ;) [19:53]
thestringpuller one of us one of us [19:53]
nubbins` heh [19:55]
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thestringpuller kay he needs to get to class [19:55]
thestringpuller he will log in when he gets there [19:55]
thestringpuller be back in 10 [19:56]
nubbins` i'm outta time, maybe we can reconnect tomorrow [19:56]
nubbins` unless he has specific questions for me, there's not a lot to discuss anyway [19:56]
thestringpuller okay can we email you gpg encrypted AI file and then go from there? [19:58]
thestringpuller then you can send us gpg signed invoice in BTC? [19:58]
thestringpuller We want 6 shirts [19:58]
thestringpuller 1 color [19:58]
thestringpuller black [19:58]
thestringpuller and white ink [19:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.29841998 = 2.9842 BTC [+] {2} [19:59]
nubbins` sure [19:59]
thestringpuller kay we'll talk to you tomorrow then and get everything paid for [19:59]
nubbins` gotta admit you've piqued my curiosity as to why you'd gpg encrypt graphics [19:59]
thestringpuller I'll pay entirety up front [19:59]
thestringpuller *shrug* paranoia [19:59]
nubbins` i'm not printing hatespeech on a shirt for you ;p [19:59]
thestringpuller oh no [19:59]
nubbins` heh [19:59]
thestringpuller i guess we just don't want the image to "leak" [20:00]
thestringpuller ? [20:00]
thestringpuller only you should be recipient [20:00]
nubbins` pm'd you email address for graphics [20:00]
thestringpuller "intended recipient" blah blah [20:00]
thestringpuller kay [20:00]
nubbins` grab my key from the wot [20:00]
thestringpuller yea! [20:00]
thestringpuller cool well talk to you tomorrow then [20:00]
nubbins` k, peace [20:00]
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nubbins` [20:08]
nubbins` STOP RESISTING ARREST [20:08]
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X-Rob mircea_popescu: The pool died, it switched to my backup pool, and then didn't switch back automatically when the pool got better. [20:09]
mike_c ;;calc 3056 * 0.0001 [20:09]
gribble 0.3056 [20:09]
X-Rob Have fixed it, hopefully it won't do it again. Sorry. [20:09]
mike_c my computer is retarded. 3056 / 10000 = 0.3056, but 3056 * 0.0001 = 0.30560000000004 [20:10]
thestringpuller petepolack: okay now we register [20:10]
thestringpuller ;;eregister [20:10]
gribble (eregister ) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key with . is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase (1 more message) [20:10]
thestringpuller soo ;;eregister petepolack YOURKEYID [20:11]
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petepolack (eregister petepolack D4ECFBB385737831) [20:11]
petepolack :( [20:11]
fluffypony petepolack: /msg gribble ;;eregister petepolack D4ECFBB385737831 [20:12]
thestringpuller Everyone is so helpful [20:12]
thestringpuller thanks fluffypony ! [20:12]
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petepolack alright thanks, got it [20:12]
BingoBoingo X-Rob: Well, we're looking into maybe getting a new p2pool set up for this coin given how shit this one seems to be, so news on that might be incoming. [20:13]
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X-Rob BingoBoingo: how about I set up a pool? [20:15]
BingoBoingo X-Rob: Uh, sure. [20:15]
X-Rob BingoBoingo: I'll do it this weekend. [20:16]
BingoBoingo X-Rob: Can you do the p2pool type thing that gets people paid in the coinbase? [20:16]
thestringpuller X-Rob: sell me coins!!!! [20:16]
thestringpuller lol [20:16]
thestringpuller jkjk [20:16]
petepolack thestringpuller: it worked [20:16]
petepolack damn [20:16]
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kakobrekla wasnt it /msg kakobrekla [20:18]
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kakobrekla pretty sure it was. [20:19]
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punkman mike_c: my computer is retarded. 3056 / 10000 = 0.3056, but 3056 * 0.0001 = 0.30560000000004 << javascript? [20:33]
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mike_c python [20:33]
punkman I did my bitbet app without decimals, didn't notice a problem [20:38]
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ben_vulpes holy logs [20:44]
ben_vulpes i'm 1100 lines behind [20:45]
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mike_c jurov: yeah, I use decimal's pretty liberally. this calculation wasn't coin related. [20:49]
punkman oh I see now, it worked because I didn't use my (satoshi / 100000000.0) results in further calculations [20:50]
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mike_c i also use a curiously large number of extraneous apostrophes. [21:01]
mike_c anyhoo. i get floating point stupidness. just mildly surprised the division & multiplication are different. [21:01]
mike_c i thought it had more to do with the result than the inputs. [21:02]
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kakobrekla just intify errything [21:09]
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mircea_popescu oh cool, is back << last week or so [21:13]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski> well fuck. << there is no such thing as a perfect wife, horse or business idea. [21:14]
mircea_popescu wives horses and business ideas are what you make of them. [21:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 65 @ 0.0107 = 0.6955 BTC [+] [21:16]
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mircea_popescu !up Wexel [21:20]
-assbot- You voiced Wexel for 30 minutes. [21:20]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: (other than a library) << "there isn't where t og oin the usa for aspirin other than pharmacy". o woe ? [21:25]
mircea_popescu nubbins`: is that the app that lets you anonymously tell women you want to cum on their tits? <<< you know, this is very popular with a large section of the female population, but the woman that wants dribbling by random people she doesn't know is quite rare. [21:27]
mircea_popescu it's more like part of cuddling, in the female mind. [21:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21453 @ 0.00069092 = 14.8223 BTC [-] [21:28]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski: decimation: 'pep rally' << been to a few of these myself. because morale! at least our school had the bestest cheerleaders in the city << because they were... immoral ? [21:29]
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mircea_popescu nubbins`: "extraneous muscle mass" << penis. [21:30]
BingoBoingo lol [21:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i see your Shave My Pussy and i raise you a Narcotic. [21:31]
mircea_popescu [21:31]
assbot Liquido - Narcotic (HD) - YouTube [21:31]
mircea_popescu << o look at that. us police shoots civillian in the street, goes to hospital, steals bullet, disappears it. [21:35]
assbot Mya Aaten-White, Ferguson Shooting Victim, Says Police Have Not Interviewed Her | Riverfront Times [21:35]
mircea_popescu this is so romanian revolution it bleeds. [21:36]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That's what I'm thinking, well the police stealing their bullet back. I dunno if pale America is ready to take Obama out back yet. [21:37]
mircea_popescu what's obama to do with this ? [21:37]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, wasn't that the end of the Romanian revolution? [21:37]
mircea_popescu nubbins`: BingoBoingo: the hospital would have taken note of who took the bullet, no? << well if they didn't, either the police comissioner hangs or they got themselves a police state. [21:37]
mircea_popescu either way. [21:37]
mircea_popescu guy'd better pray they did take note. [21:38]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yes. difference being that they never shot gorbachev. [21:38]
mircea_popescu so you know, missouri governor ? [21:38]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski: that's a premium upgrade << cut glass. 10 bux in any mirror shop. [21:40]
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*hanbot* is it nice out? [21:42]
thestringpuller penguirker: [21:43]
thestringpuller penguirker: [21:43]
thestringpuller lol [21:43]
thestringpuller oops [21:43]
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mircea_popescu !up petenineteen [21:47]
Panadol_ pankkake penguirker Perlboy petenineteen Petrodriller pharesim phf` phish pi07r Pilate pizzaman1337 Poffertje praeconium princessnell PsychoticBoy Pucilowski_ punkman [21:47]
-assbot- You voiced petenineteen for 30 minutes. [21:47]
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mircea_popescu petenineteen seriously ? [21:47]
BingoBoingo That sounds like a cam girl screen name, except pete [21:48]
mircea_popescu speaking of which, a food chain here is called mustachios. [21:48]
BingoBoingo lol [21:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3215 @ 0.00119007 = 3.8261 BTC [+] {3} [21:49]
thestringpuller okay petenineteen [21:49]
thestringpuller ;;eregister [21:49]
gribble (eregister ) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key with . is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase (1 more message) [21:49]
thestringpuller petenineteen: -^ [21:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 563 @ 0.00119996 = 0.6756 BTC [+] {2} [21:50]
mike_c eregister something_other_than_petenineteen [21:50]
mircea_popescu petetwelveandwhatisthis ? [21:51]
thestringpuller is petenineteen taken? [21:51]
thestringpuller lol [21:51]
thestringpuller ;;gettrust petenineteen [21:51]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user petenineteen: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [21:51]
mike_c what's the record for most trolling before the guy even opens his mouth? [21:51]
mircea_popescu his mom ? [21:51]
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assbot Umlala - My Pdf Files (Official Video) - YouTube [21:53]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Looks like this is going through October [21:54]
assbot McCulloch: Grand jury to get evidence in Ferguson case through mid-October : News [21:54]
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mircea_popescu dignork ok, i didn't want to do this but you asked for it. prepare to be glassed. [21:56]
mircea_popescu [21:56]
assbot Hot Girl tania and me Pwning Noobs on The Tell-Lie-Vision (ATHENE #22) - YouTube [21:56]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33963 @ 0.00068791 = 23.3635 BTC [-] {2} [22:05]
thestringpuller damn mpoe below IPO v3 listing? [22:07]
thestringpuller wow [22:07]
thestringpuller BUY BUY BUY [22:07]
mike_c fiat -> btc -> mpoe = two profits? [22:10]
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BingoBoingo lol, but whose bank are you going to break on the way there? [22:11]
mircea_popescu the two profits of internets. [22:11]
mircea_popescu but yea srsly, in the space of six months i went from >1bn to like what, 200mn ? [22:12]
mircea_popescu am i like the biggest loser of the summer or what! [22:12]
dignork mircea_popescu: the guy is playing a wrong game [22:12]
assbot Russian Roulette in Wedding gone Wrong - Roulette Russa a Matrimonio - YouTube [22:12]
mircea_popescu dignork srsly. he's such a total dork you could not believe. [22:12]
mircea_popescu the chick however, she comes from money, ran for the danish pirate party iirc, got a seat. [22:12]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.29879999 = 0.5976 BTC [+] [22:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: where t og oin the usa for aspirin other than pharmacy". o woe << (practical) chemistry is an experimental science. very 'seat of the pants', like metalwork or any other work with hands. [22:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes, you can study under the cover of darkness, in a cellar, with black-market materials. but it used to be, you could also study at a university. [22:19]
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dignork Sad story happened to my friend recently. He lost ~1btc to Chrome toolbar, which replaced deposit btc address on coinbase withdrawal form. Can somebody suggest coinbase to implement gpg-signed orders? [22:21]
thestringpuller $depth mpoe [22:21]
empyex thestringpuller: Want a bash? Or use a valid MPSIC! [22:21]
thestringpuller $depth s.mpoe [22:21]
empyex thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Bids: 33287 @ 0.00068725 12200 @ 0.00068618 350 @ 0.00063000 25000 @ 0.00060000 [22:21]
empyex thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Asks: 26998 @ 0.00068872 10271 @ 0.00069092 23339 @ 0.00069415 40110 @ 0.00069671 [22:21]
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danielpbarron << "Bitcoin is the walk-man, Black coin is the iPad" [22:23]
assbot BLACKCOIN - The Music Video - YouTube [22:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33487 @ 0.00068724 = 23.0136 BTC [-] {2} [22:29]
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BingoBoingo !up aspho [22:33]
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BingoBoingo !up shovel_boss [22:33]
punkman dignork, that sucks. maybe if he makes a fuss coinbase will refund that withdrawal [22:33]
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BingoBoingo Hello assbot shovel_boss [22:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00068618 = 8.3714 BTC [-] [22:35]
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TomServo [22:39]
assbot UPDATE 3-U.S. fines Berkshire over stock deal, Buffett admits mistake| Reuters [22:39]
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TomServo gave Berkshire a reputation as a lender of last resort when financial markets come under strain << Hadn't heard that line before. [22:40]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1500 @ 0.00119997 = 1.8 BTC [+] [22:42]
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dignork punkman: afaik, no, coinbase received order to send to address X, instead of Y, they had now way of detecting it, because it's just http request altered on the client side [23:00]
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mod6 ;;ticker [23:12]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 521.98, Best ask: 522.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.01000, Last trade: 521.96, 24 hour volume: 17498.21146377, 24 hour low: 466.0, 24 hour high: 527.01, 24 hour vwap: 494.872496909 [23:12]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1919 @ 0.00065107 = 1.2494 BTC [-] [23:22]
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BingoBoingo [23:25]
assbot I Am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [23:25]
ben_vulpes ;;ticker [23:26]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 519.49, Best ask: 519.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 519.49, 24 hour volume: 17774.39850899, 24 hour low: 466.0, 24 hour high: 527.01, 24 hour vwap: 495.727614364 [23:26]
ben_vulpes that floppy btc trampoline [23:26]
ben_vulpes 420 min after the etf? [23:26]
pankkake ;;ticker --market bcent --currency eur [23:27]
gribble Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 395.0, Best ask: 400.0, Bid-ask spread: 5.00000, Last trade: 400.0, 24 hour volume: 101.36987742, 24 hour low: 360.0, 24 hour high: 400.0, 24 hour vwap: 373.07105659 [23:27]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [23:28]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 521.0, vol: 17792.87498487 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 510.7, vol: 8252.58738 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 516.02, vol: 28283.81807457 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 546.99, vol: 36.78969469 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 512.568453, vol: 37552.61050000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 530.0, vol: 28.98932003 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 530.52, vol: 101.36987742 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [23:28]
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BingoBoingo !up napedia [23:31]
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BingoBoingo !up peterl [23:31]
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peterl fluffypony here? [23:32]
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peterl on the topic of Chem in college: At MSU we had three levels of O-chem (which I helped teach), one for nurses, one for premed+scientists, and one for chemists [23:33]
BingoBoingo [23:33]
assbot Plummer v. State - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [23:33]
thestringpuller BingoBoingo: so what's it like in MO [23:33]
asciilifeform peterl: this used to be common, i'm told. but eliminated at most large public unis, afaik, for cost-cutting. [23:33]
thestringpuller lootin nearby? [23:33]
thestringpuller loot all da stores [23:34]
* thestringpuller does not condone or endorse looting and rioting. [23:34]
peterl yeah, I guess they need the money to pay the football coaches now [23:34]
BingoBoingo thestringpuller: last night was a quiet night. After Tonight might be... who knows [23:34]
assbot Mya Aaten-White, Ferguson Shooting Victim, Says Police Have Not Interviewed Her | Riverfront Times [23:35]
ben_vulpes copyright covers performance you ninny. unless you're listening to an amphora capture of original greek choruses, it's covered alright. << oh, bitcoin recognizes copyright but not patents? [23:36]
thestringpuller wow that [23:36]
thestringpuller is so fucked [23:36]
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thestringpuller when can sovereign entities use force if the police are militarized? [23:36]
thestringpuller isn't this how revolutions start? [23:37]
thestringpuller why can't* [23:37]
thestringpuller wow tired [23:37]
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BingoBoingo Hello mpmcsweeney [23:39]
kakobrekla have a tit [23:39]
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BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Well...prolly when people start getting naked [23:40]
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