Forum logs for 19 Oct 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1110 @ 0.00017994 = 0.1997 BTC [-] [00:03]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.0053 = 0.1855 BTC [-] [00:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 215 @ 0.00121669 = 0.2616 BTC [-] {2} [00:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.628 BTC [+] [00:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0025 = 0.25 BTC [+] [00:26]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00089085 = 0.8909 BTC [+] [00:37]
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mike_c mircea_popescu: you around? got a question about option assignment. [00:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 725 @ 0.0009 = 0.6525 BTC [+] [00:46]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.0054 = 0.189 BTC [+] [01:01]
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jurov mike_c just ask, there are more people with mpoe experience [01:14]
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jurov http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1oqdoo/vault_of_satoshi_new_north_american_exchange_is/ [01:24]
ozbot Vault of Satoshi: New `North` American Exchange is finally open Gold... Everywhere! : Bitcoin [01:24]
jurov "We've ditched the "Toronto Exchange" and totally went Global" [01:24]
jurov totally [01:24]
jurov first exchange with golden showers [01:26]
jurov inb4 mircea_popescu: mpex was first [01:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00089085 = 1.3363 BTC [-] [01:29]
mike_c jurov: ok. it says on the faq that options will be assigned proportionally based on how many contracts you have created. [01:29]
mike_c not how many you've created & sold. [01:29]
mike_c that feels.. open to manipulation. [01:30]
jurov *exercises* will be assigned [01:30]
MTBmanTT very : [01:30]
mike_c right [01:30]
mike_c so, jurov creates 10 contracts [01:30]
mike_c for ITM calls. [01:30]
mike_c then mike_c creates 10 contracts and immediately excercises. [01:31]
mike_c 5 assigned to you and 5 to me? free money? [01:31]
jurov no [01:31]
mike_c well i would hope not, but i'm not seeing it [01:31]
blastbob vault of satoshi.. verified and secured by godaddy.. [01:31]
jurov after you mkopt or split, you'll see in STAT an entry that you provided a collateral [01:32]
blastbob not touching that site [01:32]
jurov the record stays the same regardless what you do with the options [01:32]
jurov in the end of month, all exercises are put together and subtracted from all provided collateral [01:33]
jurov and rest returned.. and *this* is what get assigned to you [01:33]
mike_c right, that seems to be the problem. sorry if i'm being slow here. i'll provide better example: [01:34]
jurov so I pay for 10 exercises , you pay for 10 exercises and we both will get remaining part of our collaterals [01:34]
jurov no matter what trades happened between [01:35]
mike_c wait. these are american options, right? excercise any time? [01:36]
jurov yes, but books are made only in the end of month [01:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 75 @ 0.00699989 = 0.525 BTC [-] {2} [01:37]
mike_c ok.. let me pastebin an example here and hopefully you can tell me why i'm not getting free money. [01:37]
mike_c and thanks for the assistance. [01:37]
jurov well, it's kinda my business :) [01:38]
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jurov then mike_c creates 10 contracts and immediately excercises <<< you forget here that you have to put *more* than this into escrow [01:40]
jurov and in the month you will get assigned your part of *all* exercises, so no free money [01:41]
jurov *in the end of thwe month [01:41]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.625 BTC [-] [01:45]
mike_c ok.. so you are saying that excercising is no different from creating and immediately selling for just intrinsic value. [01:46]
jurov as opposed to what? [01:47]
mike_c creating 10 contracts + excercise = create 10 contracts and immediately sell to market bot which buys for intrinsic value only [01:48]
mike_c say yes and i think i'll understand. [01:48]
jurov yes it is the same, if anyone bought for this value. market bot usually buys for considerably less. [01:49]
mike_c ok. bit different than what i'm used to. so when you make the option, you are on the hook for the rest of the month, and there is no way to get out of that obligation [01:49]
mike_c i.e.: no way to get out of the trade [01:50]
jurov true [01:50]
mike_c got it. thanks again. [01:50]
mike_c even if it is your job :) [01:50]
* jurov at this point, pushes excellent services of coinbr.com [01:52]
jurov :) [01:52]
mike_c excellent, agreed. except you can't mkopt :) [01:52]
jurov i can, you just have to ask here or by email [01:54]
jurov after creation you can trade/exercise them online without problem [01:55]
mike_c yeah, but you are supposed to be the user-friendly mpex [01:55]
mike_c shouldn't i be able to do that on the site? [01:55]
mike_c er, to be clear, you ARE the user-friendly mpex. [01:56]
mike_c but not for MKOPT [01:56]
jurov yes, you should be able. but mpex interface scares me and there wasn't much demand, so it's not ready yet [01:57]
mike_c hehe [01:57]
mike_c i think that demand will follow user-friendly tools. [01:58]
kakobrekla once you solve a problem, a demand to find a solution to that problem can only go down [02:00]
mike_c i would say that the demand is already exhibited in volume at the other exchanges that are easier to use [02:01]
mike_c and that demand could be redirected to mpex (through coinbr) [02:01]
kakobrekla which exchanges is that exactly? [02:02]
mike_c havelock, bitfunder. but this is the part where you say they don't have any volume? [02:02]
mod6 whats scary about the interface? [02:04]
kakobrekla i think its the lack of css [02:05]
mike_c hey, you obviously agree. bitbet doesn't look like mpex for a reason. [02:05]
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mike_c b/c it's aimed at "consumers" [02:05]
jurov mod6 i mean the interface from programmer's view [02:05]
kakobrekla sarcasm doesnt translate well over irc [02:05]
kakobrekla mike_c not that far apart either :) [02:06]
Apocalyptic sarcasm doesnt translate well over irc // oh it des [02:08]
Apocalyptic *does [02:08]
mike_c i don't agree with you.. demand does not have to exist before the product. [02:08]
mike_c the product can create demand. [02:08]
mike_c or, rather, let's say that the demand is for gambling products for BTC. [02:09]
mike_c and an easy-to-use option market fits the bill. [02:09]
mod6 ah. i felt like it was pretty easy to interface with programatically [02:09]
jurov mod6 let me walk through how easy it is [02:09]
jurov 1. mpex happily accepts your order [02:10]
mike_c and done :) [02:10]
jurov 2. you call statjson, but no change [02:10]
jurov 3. next statjson, only balances change [02:10]
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jurov 4. either your order appears or trades or both [02:10]
jurov and some trades have tracking info of your order and some not [02:11]
mike_c no no, discrepencies are resolved in sub-second time! [02:11]
jurov so they have to me matched by time/price [02:11]
jurov all this happens in seconds (and when mpex had a problem, even minutes) span [02:12]
mod6 oh, hmm. [02:12]
jurov so it's very easy for multiple orders to be mixed [02:12]
mod6 i've never had that issue, but i'm not managing like 6900 peoples orders either. [02:12]
jurov you see [02:13]
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mod6 actually, i think we've discussed this before. i've just forgotten. [02:13]
kakobrekla do you do lot of manual fixing? [02:14]
jurov not since tracking was introduced [02:14]
kakobrekla cool [02:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 2120 @ 0.00045462 = 0.9638 BTC [-] {5} [02:15]
mike_c while we're on the topic.. shouldn't assbot report on excercises? [02:15]
mike_c seems like useful information for the public at large. [02:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62899998 BTC [+] [02:16]
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kakobrekla im almost positivley sureish it does unless sub 0.1 btc vol or something [02:16]
jurov orly? since when? [02:17]
mike_c google doesn't seem to think so [02:17]
mod6 i don't think it does report exercises, although it could be hard to tell... does the CBOE or others report that information? or does it just effect open interest? [02:17]
mike_c https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alog.bitcoin-assets.com+excercise [02:17]
kakobrekla since when what [02:17]
mike_c well, that would be the only way to infer open interest [02:18]
jurov since when assbot reports exercises [02:18]
jurov afaik it did for BTC-TC only [02:18]
jurov not mpex [02:18]
kakobrekla ah right [02:18]
kakobrekla you talking btc options [02:18]
mod6 i've personally never seen it report any exercises. [02:18]
jurov mod6 it reported them as trades with strange prices [02:19]
kakobrekla well talk to mp to post it [02:19]
mike_c post it.. in the recent trades? [02:19]
mike_c like, the rss feed? [02:19]
kakobrekla post it to me and ill chan it to assbot [02:19]
mod6 i suppose it could be that assbot doesn't report sub .1 btc though. so that could be part of it. [02:20]
kakobrekla mod6 #bitcoin-assets-trades does not have such filter [02:20]
mod6 ahh. im in there, but don't watch it nearly as close as I used to. [02:21]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00546558 = 0.5466 BTC [+] {4} [02:22]
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mike_c ok, here's where i contribute instead of nag: jurov, i believe the mpex market bot does price its orders very close to intrinsic value. [02:22]
mike_c http://mpex.co/?mpsic=O.USD.C140T [02:22]
ozbot O.USD.C140T last 200@0.14768654 [02:22]
mike_c ;;calc 1- (140/153.7) [02:23]
gribble 0.089134677944 [02:23]
mike_c buy price is almost exactly intrinsic value of the call [02:23]
Apocalyptic mike_c, so no premium ? [02:23]
mike_c i believe so [02:23]
Apocalyptic weird way to price options [02:23]
Apocalyptic unless you're close to expiration [02:24]
mike_c well, not if you're a buyer and don't want to lose money :) [02:25]
jurov hmmm... this means mpoe thinks it will be better off when they autoexercise [02:28]
jurov interesting [02:28]
mike_c keeps the algorithm simple for what to do with them after buying. [02:29]
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jurov afaik bot does nothing special with bought options... it just calculates its exposure, prices and if it looks okay, puts orders online [02:35]
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mike_c are you sure about that? because it seems like it would be easy for it to just have orders up at intrinsic value and just immediately excercise after buying them. [02:37]
jurov since the bot is part of exchange i don't see who would profit from that [02:39]
mike_c nobody profits from it anyway.. [02:39]
mike_c if i am holding an option, it does me no good to sell it to the bot at intrinsic value [02:40]
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mike_c i might as well just excercise [02:40]
jurov perhaps it's just there so that you can check what the value is [02:40]
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jurov goodnight all [02:44]
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assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C125T] 8 @ 0.24 = 1.92 BTC [-] [02:49]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C146T] 10 @ 0.13 = 1.3 BTC [-] [02:49]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00544499 = 0.1089 BTC [-] [03:02]
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bloctoc was that an mpex option I just saw? [03:12]
mike_c yup [03:12]
mike_c the market is heating up [03:12]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5246 @ 0.00088523 = 4.6439 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00544499 = 0.1307 BTC [-] [03:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00088641 = 5.2741 BTC [+] {2} [03:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 204 @ 0.00550175 = 1.1224 BTC [+] {4} [03:45]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.0056437 = 2.8219 BTC [+] {5} [03:48]
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assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P146T] 8 @ 0.01731119 = 0.1385 BTC [-] [03:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.635 BTC [+] [03:54]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.63714285 = 4.46 BTC [+] {2} [03:59]
jborkl https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=304250.240 [04:09]
jborkl Now that is ghetto rigging that guy has [04:10]
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mike_c i can't decide if that is awesome or horrible. [04:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5618 @ 0.000887 = 4.9832 BTC [+] {2} [04:16]
jborkl A little of both [04:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00088722 = 7.985 BTC [+] [04:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.36000003 = 0.72 BTC [-] [04:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3181 @ 0.00088722 = 2.8222 BTC [+] [04:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.00565 = 0.2995 BTC [+] [04:31]
_Neil ;;nethash [04:32]
gribble 2505998.85313 [04:32]
_Neil http://bitbet.us/bet/530/btc-network-hashrate-will-exceed-2500-th-s-before/ [04:33]
_Neil Done [04:33]
ozbot BitBet - BTC network hashrate will exceed 2500 TH/s before February [04:33]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btvSE6tVHzQ [04:34]
ozbot John Wayne on liberals - YouTube [04:34]
mircea_popescu mike_c shoot. [04:35]
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mircea_popescu lol @john romero reference. [04:43]
mircea_popescu didn't the guy bury ~20mn or so, in 1990 dollars ? [04:44]
Namworld Whatever. US' left, US' right, they're both making the same thing, more or less. One party country as far as I'm concerned. [04:45]
Namworld There's not much difference between democrats and republicans. [04:45]
mircea_popescu i.e.: no way to get out of the trade << you can get out of it synthetically. buy the option. [04:46]
mircea_popescu wait, there's options volume on teh golden showers now ? [04:48]
mircea_popescu how long have i been away ? [04:48]
Namworld Too long apparently [04:49]
mircea_popescu lol [04:50]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 17 @ 0.36000003 = 6.12 BTC [-] [04:50]
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mircea_popescu "UPDATE: 7:30PM (EST) -- We broke 100 up votes... the shower continues!! I am getting CARPAL TUNNEL... THANKS!!" [04:51]
mircea_popescu i hope someone somewhere is keeping track of all the reddirdation. [04:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.36000003 BTC [-] [04:51]
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jborkl_ Who gets a golden shower? [04:52]
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mike_c mircea_popescu: not sure if you saw. what do you think about posting option excercises to kako for assbot [04:58]
mircea_popescu the investors, generally. [04:59]
midnightmagic mike_c MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio [04:59]
mircea_popescu mike_c it's not customary to announce exercises. [04:59]
mircea_popescu jurov http://nosuchlabs.com << check it out, your factorisartion dream comes true. [05:00]
seaotter mmm [05:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.00544543 = 0.3049 BTC [-] {2} [05:04]
seaotter mircea_popescu: is that new or old, that url? [05:05]
seaotter Keys Processed: [05:05]
seaotter 5 [05:05]
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asciilifeform seaotter: ~5 min. old. [05:06]
mike_c you know, it is ok to have a and . we don't need to save 50 bytes over the wire anymore. [05:06]
seaotter asciilifeform: source? [05:06]
asciilifeform seaotter: source of what [05:07]
seaotter or that url [05:07]
asciilifeform seaotter: it's plain euclid, you can write the damn thing yourself [05:07]
asciilifeform gcd(Mn, prod(M(0)...M(n-1)) [05:08]
seaotter sry, i have high levle of etanol in bl00d [05:10]
seaotter at least [05:10]
asciilifeform seaotter: sobriety not require here. [05:10]
seaotter someone definitely plays on futureblock game [05:10]
seaotter with hashrate [05:10]
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seaotter what is best source for hash rate value? [05:11]
seaotter some live charts? [05:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.67957272 = 14.9506 BTC [+] {3} [05:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00088974 = 5.6054 BTC [+] [05:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.71417646 = 12.141 BTC [+] {4} [05:13]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2570 @ 0.002195 = 5.6412 BTC [-] {4} [05:19]
mircea_popescu seaotter try bitcoin.sipa.be [05:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2500 @ 0.00210928 = 5.2732 BTC [-] {11} [05:20]
seaotter zoom is missing :/ [05:20]
* seaotter votes for interactive graphs [05:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 69 @ 0.00565 = 0.3899 BTC [+] [05:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 711 @ 0.00576789 = 4.101 BTC [+] {7} [05:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7217 @ 0.00088836 = 6.4113 BTC [-] [05:22]
mike_c zoom is the scrollbar :) [05:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2500 @ 0.00199963 = 4.9991 BTC [-] {3} [05:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 358 @ 0.00612579 = 2.193 BTC [+] {7} [05:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.36000003 BTC [-] [05:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 161 @ 0.00642968 = 1.0352 BTC [+] {2} [05:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 361 @ 0.00644107 = 2.3252 BTC [+] {3} [05:41]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 11 @ 0.36000003 = 3.96 BTC [-] [05:50]
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Namworld lol 796 exchange is contacting me to add my stocks to their platform. [05:56]
assbot 123! [05:56]
Namworld 796 [05:56]
assbot 123! [05:56]
Namworld 146 [05:56]
Namworld ok, assbot reacts to 796 apparently [05:56]
assbot 123! [05:56]
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Namworld Or simple as [05:58]
Namworld Do re mi [05:58]
Namworld ABC, one, two, three, baby, you and me girl! [05:58]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-rsa-public-key-factorisation-webservice/ [06:16]
ozbot S.NSA - RSA public key factorisation webservice pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [06:16]
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mircea_popescu and since i dug this up, dropping it here for the ssl fanclub : http://arstechnica.com/business/2011/09/new-javascript-hacking-tool-can-intercept-paypal-other-secure-sessions/ [06:22]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 967 @ 0.00121322 = 1.1732 BTC [-] {3} [06:23]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 838 @ 0.00121857 = 1.0212 BTC [+] {3} [06:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.71899999 = 5.752 BTC [+] {2} [06:24]
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Vexual hey [15:45]
mircea_popescu ahoy. [15:46]
Vexual i was running out of m p sentences to summon you cap'n [15:46]
mircea_popescu lol [15:47]
Vexual theres always a healthy dose of vitamin truth in my foolishness [15:47]
Scrat oy vey [15:47]
Vexual yey [15:48]
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mircea_popescu "Thanks to Adrien Chen, the whole internet knew about Silk Road" [15:49]
mircea_popescu dude these media fuckwits need to get a grip. [15:49]
Vexual whats a chen? [15:50]
mircea_popescu nobody ever heard or ever gave a shit about all their little self-famous circlejerk [15:50]
mircea_popescu Vexual some gawker nobody. [15:50]
Vexual well whoever dpr was, he wouldna got so much money if people hadnt heard [15:50]
Vexual and thats why that guy got busted, coz the shit went bubblegum, and the real dpr didnt want the trouble [15:51]
mircea_popescu but people didn't hear from some schmuck the other media schmucks know [15:51]
mircea_popescu because people don't give a shit about gawker, and conde nast, and all the rest of it. [15:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8796 @ 0.00088986 = 7.8272 BTC [-] {2} [15:52]
Vexual i couldnt even tell you the url for gawker [15:52]
Vexual i couldnt find a broken gpg key to check your checker with [15:53]
mircea_popescu so check it with a not broker one [15:54]
Vexual eh [15:55]
mircea_popescu "No explanation is necessary for why our hero can hear a ringing telephone but not the movie's soundtrack, or why the space ship is menaced by the Negative Space Wedgie, but not by the opening credits drifting by outside the ship" [15:57]
mircea_popescu tvtropes might be the best website on the internets. [15:57]
Vexual im just thinking and i can't think of one website i need to see, what is this? [15:58]
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Vexual do i look everyday? [15:59]
mircea_popescu http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WesternAnimation/Animaniacs [15:59]
ozbot WesternAnimation/Animaniacs - Television Tropes & Idioms [15:59]
Vexual i see anime and skimask ads [15:59]
Vexual speaking of speilbeg, ive been attempting kubrik, and ive come to the conclusion that hes a bit crap [16:01]
Vexual good crap. comptetant [16:02]
Vexual id love to se what speilberg could do with 2 hours of film if he went weird [16:03]
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Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-Xm4V8ihos [16:10]
ozbot Family Dog - K9 Terror - YouTube [16:10]
KRS1 ;;sell 1000 [16:10]
gribble (sell [at|@] []) -- Logs a sell order for units of per unit, in units of . Use the optional field to put in any special notes. may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, low, or avg (1 more message) [16:10]
KRS1 ;;sell 1000 @ 185 [16:10]
gribble (sell [at|@] []) -- Logs a sell order for units of per unit, in units of . Use the optional field to put in any special notes. may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, low, or avg (1 more message) [16:10]
BigBitz ;;market sell 1000 [16:11]
gribble A market order to sell 1000 bitcoins right now would net 182283.1834 USD and would take the last price down to 181.0100 USD, resulting in an average price of 182.2832 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0004 seconds [16:11]
KRS1 ah thanks [16:11]
BigBitz np :) [16:11]
KRS1 just seeing what this sell order for 1000 btc or so will do [16:12]
KRS1 not much apparently [16:12]
BigBitz You're selling 1000BTC? [16:12]
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mircea_popescu da fuck 182 ?@ [16:13]
mircea_popescu $avg [16:13]
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mpexbot mircea_popescu: 166.30 [16:13]
Vexual got hit 197 AUD tonight [16:14]
mircea_popescu whoa how long have i been asleep [16:14]
Vexual *x [16:14]
KRS1 idk..its tuesday. [16:14]
KRS1 not me..i saw an order for that [16:14]
Vexual everyones buying bitcoin for xmas [16:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00088988 = 7.119 BTC [+] {2} [16:15]
KRS1 im gonna buy some for my landscaper [16:16]
Vexual is she hot? [16:16]
mircea_popescu so we see 500 this year is the idea here ? [16:16]
Vexual 300 feels limit before 14 [16:16]
Vexual after that, you divide 70billion by 21 million [16:17]
Namworld The idea is people go crazy upward, downward, sideway [16:18]
Namworld and prices move erratically and dramatically [16:18]
mircea_popescu Namworld i would say this lift is legit. [16:18]
mircea_popescu we are just that big. [16:18]
BigBitz I should sell my casascius coins, right ? [16:18]
mircea_popescu maybe next week or w/e [16:19]
Namworld Are you sarcastic or...? [16:19]
mircea_popescu Namworld nah, straight up. [16:19]
Vexual all the computers [16:20]
Namworld As much as I believe in Bitcoin's growth, I don't believe in overnight 10-30% changes [16:20]
Vexual remember email? [16:20]
Vexual can't i just email you? [16:20]
Vexual nope [16:20]
Vexual now, yes [16:20]
Vexual its an unstoppable internet protocol for money [16:21]
Vexual deal with it [16:21]
mircea_popescu Namworld well, allignment to secular implicit value will happen in spurts and bursts. [16:21]
mircea_popescu looking from the other way, some such sudden moves are legit, some aren't. [16:22]
mircea_popescu bitcoin has been accumulating major strengths over the past 6 months the price flatlined. an upmove isn't that big a deal really. [16:22]
Vexual this aint sghit [16:22]
mircea_popescu consider : difficulty up 1k%, clear proof delivered that sr didn't matter for bitcoin, and that usg doesn't matter for bitcoin... [16:23]
Namworld Well we'll have to see. I've seen quick, wavering up and downs like the market can't make up it's mind. [16:23]
mircea_popescu governments throwing in the haughty towel and getting in line to mine like anyone else... [16:23]
BigBitz This is sell offs in BTC on MTGox/Bitstamp. [16:23]
mircea_popescu we're sensibly closer to world domination today than in march. [16:23]
BigBitz People who don't want to give into the AML/KYC. [16:23]
BigBitz When this is done it will plummet again. [16:24]
Namworld Maybe. I can't really believe it yet. [16:24]
mircea_popescu Namworld imo it's wealth realingning. X value btc is held by a different set of owners than 2X value btc. [16:24]
Namworld Although such a rising price certainly can't hurt my finances. [16:24]
Vexual u better check your head nam, this iz interenet business [16:24]
mircea_popescu it just burns holes when kept in the wrong pockets [16:25]
Vexual gotta spend some for sure [16:25]
Vexual satoshi was very clever [16:25]
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Namworld Well off I go, goodbye. Will have to keep updated on price movements later. [16:25]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.85791665 = 5.1475 BTC [+] {2} [16:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00802799 = 0.4014 BTC [+] {4} [16:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00828999 = 0.3565 BTC [+] [16:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 57 @ 0.00828999 = 0.4725 BTC [+] [16:28]
Vexual there hasnt been a real new ip sonce <1990 [16:28]
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Vexual skype doent count [16:30]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 634 @ 0.00726854 = 4.6083 BTC [-] {8} [16:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.74200002 = 6.678 BTC [-] {4} [16:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 41 @ 0.73329414 = 30.0651 BTC [-] {4} [16:41]
Vexual friecats woth half a billion now? [16:42]
mircea_popescu nothing changed, btc went up about what am went down [16:43]
Vexual that cat is good at playing currencies [16:43]
Vexual e can sell 1000s privately [16:44]
Vexual no problemo [16:44]
Vexual cheap design, slaves, baldes, bitcoin [16:44]
Vexual he'll do it again [16:45]
pankkake bald slaves? [16:45]
Vexual typo [16:45]
Vexual blade [16:46]
Vexual his little noodle sluping kids will inherit the business and keep doing it [16:46]
Vexual im sure his best slaves get brazillians tho, we've got a global culture now [16:49]
Vexual i trust the market on am valuation, there is no other metric [16:50]
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Vexual except for whats in the bank [16:51]
Vexual + whatever 1 crazy chinese is worth [16:51]
pankkake ;;bc,stats [16:51]
gribble Current Blocks: 264662 | Current Difficulty: 2.677312494824211E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 266111 | Next Difficulty In: 1449 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 19 hours, 16 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 344240533.308 | Estimated Percent Change: 28.5769 [16:51]
pankkake wow, are we going to see more than 40% this time? [16:51]
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yeahyeah yes [16:52]
Vexual my 7770 his a block very week [16:52]
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Vexual but im goot at rain dances [16:55]
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Vexual hehe mobgod [16:57]
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MobGod sup Vexual [16:58]
Vexual what is up [16:58]
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MobGod nothing much you [16:59]
virtuals ;;ticker [16:59]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 189.00000, Best ask: 189.33287, Bid-ask spread: 0.33287, Last trade: 188.75001, 24 hour volume: 48040.76900124, 24 hour low: 162.03400, 24 hour high: 195.83267, 24 hour vwap: 177.23521 [16:59]
MobGod thought you need me lol [16:59]
MobGod guess you were laughing at the part and rejoin [16:59]
Vexual he he hgow quikly we forget [16:59]
MobGod refresh my memory please [16:59]
Vexual http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KkMItZfxr7w/SYdrLBtGRbI/AAAAAAAAAZk/PnnWogGY83o/s400/lake-arlington-gold-chain.jpg [16:59]
MobGod i've been AFK for a bit [16:59]
Vexual yes you sold all your coin for silver at 60 [17:00]
MobGod not all [17:00]
MobGod i still have plenty in my eyes [17:00]
MobGod Vexual i turned my silver into gold also i'm doing ok [17:02]
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MobGod proubly not where i could have been but i'm not hurting thats for sure [17:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11079 @ 0.00089284 = 9.8918 BTC [+] [17:02]
Vexual well if you want precious metal buy gold [17:04]
Vexual silver makes a nice butt plug [17:06]
MobGod lol i've been buying gold [17:06]
MobGod well what i can get my hands on [17:06]
mircea_popescu Vexual i recall the argument re silver about three months ago [17:06]
mircea_popescu goat got really frazzled we were lauighiong at his silver. [17:07]
Vexual i wasnt there mp [17:07]
Vexual goat got a butt plug? dont surprise me [17:07]
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Vexual if you want gold, go dig up papua new guinea [17:08]
MobGod haha [17:08]
Vexual but you can take excitable maidens and money and boom sticks and the cheif will still eat your head for dinner [17:08]
Vexual hes not savage tho, he just knows you're an idiot for thinking you can get a bulldozer in [17:10]
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mircea_popescu actually they want to dig up romania [17:12]
mircea_popescu there's ~2bn in gold under a mountain in the nw [17:12]
Vexual for gold? [17:12]
mircea_popescu plus w/e, 10-50bn in other rare metals. [17:12]
Vexual who owns it? [17:12]
Vexual some russian gangster [17:13]
Vexual ? [17:13]
mircea_popescu it ? nobody owns it. [17:14]
Vexual mineral rights, somwone must own it, romainia is quite civilized [17:14]
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Vexual like 5000 years civilized [17:16]
mircea_popescu which is why you have to get the state to approve your project. [17:16]
mircea_popescu which in this case takes a parliament vote [17:16]
mircea_popescu which has been sought for about 12 years by now [17:17]
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Vexual they don't think it's viable, or environmental concerns? [17:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00089284 = 6.5624 BTC [+] [17:18]
mircea_popescu people just don't want it. [17:19]
Vexual romania makes more bitcoin than gold [17:20]
Vexual cool [17:20]
Vexual is it a nice mountain? [17:21]
mircea_popescu well, here's the thing : the romans knew therte's gold there [17:22]
mircea_popescu probably the most extensive and best preserved roman gold exploitation in the world. [17:22]
Vexual no shit [17:22]
Vexual is fossiking allowed? [17:23]
mircea_popescu sure, you can go in [17:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.75000001 = 2.25 BTC [+] [17:24]
mircea_popescu romania is very lax, there's an ancient roman bath some other place which is still watered and you can just go swim [17:24]
Vexual minelab gpx 5000 [17:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.74675 = 4.4805 BTC [-] {2} [17:25]
Vexual maidens? [17:26]
Vexual are there any left in romania that havent been with mp? [17:27]
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pankkake http://archive.lewrockwell.com/north/north436.html on why silver isn't that great [17:33]
pankkake Vexual> silver makes a nice butt plug <- eh, many people are allergic to silver [17:34]
Vexual tarnishes the anus [17:34]
pankkake so gold (or of course titanium) is probably better [17:34]
mircea_popescu alergic o silver?! [17:35]
Vexual anal bead made of several pecious metals on a string is a lovely gift for tht special somene [17:36]
mircea_popescu this is weird tho, allergies are immune mediated inflamatory responses [17:36]
mircea_popescu they should be to proteins, what marker recognises silver ?! [17:36]
pankkake hmm actually it looks like it's not the silver that's causing the problem, but nickel [17:36]
Vexual allergies are for wuss [17:36]
pankkake so .999 silver butt plug should be ok :) [17:36]
mircea_popescu thats a toxic reaction not an allergy [17:36]
Vexual pankakke, fine silver anal expander eh? [17:36]
mircea_popescu copper oxide is also toxic, for that matter, which is why copper dildoes aren;'t a great idea [17:36]
Vexual especially in a thundrrstorm with ones cunt to the sky [17:37]
pankkake http://www.cracked.com/article_19488_14-luxury-sex-toys-extremely-rich-creepy.html [17:37]
ozbot 14 'Luxury' Sex Toys for the Extremely Rich and Creepy | Cracked.com [17:37]
pankkake > Silver Butt Plug, With Horse Tail [17:37]
pankkake it's not that expensive too [17:37]
pankkake I'd buy it, if I had a girl to put it into :/ [17:38]
Vexual dont ask cracked, ask me, i am competant at metalurgial jewelry with respect to sex toys [17:38]
Vexual you got no girl pankakke? [17:38]
pankkake no [17:38]
Vexual u allergic? [17:38]
pankkake haha [17:39]
Vexual get the diamond encrusted butt plug first, show it to some ladies [17:39]
Vexual you're sure to find a real gem [17:39]
pankkake eh. the rosebuds? [17:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.7509 = 7.509 BTC [+] {2} [17:41]
Vexual get a suit cut, strut paris, you be geeting your dick sucked before the sun comes up [17:41]
KRS1 Rosebud: http://blog.totallyannette.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/anal-prolapse.jpg [17:42]
pankkake :/ [17:42]
Vexual no [17:42]
KRS1 oh [17:43]
Vexual im not clicking that [17:43]
KRS1 Vexual: that song Pound Power is great. [17:43]
Vexual u love it [17:43]
KRS1 if you click that i'll love it [17:43]
Vexual just make sure those ssl certs are up to date fuckwit [17:44]
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pankkake when I registered my main domain (headfucking.net) I remember hesitating with prolapsis [17:49]
pankkake but it was taken [17:49]
mircea_popescu u allergic? << win [17:49]
mircea_popescu (there exist girls actually allergic to cum btw) [17:49]
Vexual and you wonder why you dont have a girl pankakke? [17:49]
Vexual not after me mp [17:50]
pankkake yeah, skin allergy to cum [17:50]
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pankkake they can still swallow [17:50]
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Vexual immersion therapy [17:50]
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Vexual thats stupid, id like to retract that [17:51]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00089326 = 5.2702 BTC [+] {2} [17:54]
mircea_popescu The invention of the Chop-O-Matic caused a problem that marked the entrance of Ron Popeil into television. It turned out that the Chop-O-Matic was so efficient at chopping vegetables, that it was impractical for salesmen to carry the vegetables they needed to chop. [17:57]
Vexual and so it goes [17:58]
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Vexual if they put the carrot in slowly [18:00]
Vexual less is more [18:03]
mircea_popescu http://5secondfilms.com/watch/it_slices_it_dices [18:04]
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Vexual that better not be an anal prolapse [18:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4977 @ 0.00088997 = 4.4294 BTC [-] {3} [18:04]
Vexual nope [18:05]
Vexual just a dead hooker [18:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00017994 = 0.8997 BTC [-] [18:05]
mircea_popescu she's not a hooker, she just wants to one day be an actress. [18:06]
mircea_popescu !b 8 [18:06]
assbot Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1422451/plain/) [18:06]
Vexual well shed be rich and alive if she was working with us mp [18:06]
Vexual prosterity? :) [18:07]
mircea_popescu so everyone, go buy some sugar while stocks last. [18:09]
mircea_popescu brazil just went out of the trade. [18:09]
Vexual what? [18:09]
mircea_popescu "A fire ravaged Copersucar's sugar terminal in Brazil on Friday, paralyzing operations of the world's biggest sugar trader and putting 10 million tonnes of export capacity offline for six months or more." [18:09]
Vexual port operations? [18:10]
mircea_popescu pity i don't stioll have the sugar futures lol [18:10]
Vexual have you seen those guys? they could load a freighter by hand just as fast [18:10]
mircea_popescu they'd have conceivably went up enough to stay flat in btc [18:10]
mircea_popescu well like 1/4mn tons of sugar also burned. [18:11]
mircea_popescu imagine the smells [18:11]
Vexual ongoing suger farms are the most expensive land parcels around here [18:11]
pankkake perhaps people will eat healthy now [18:11]
mircea_popescu sugar is healthy. [18:11]
mircea_popescu what's not healthy is too much sugar, or any amt of sugar substitutes. [18:11]
Vexual too much rhum isnt healthy [18:13]
Vexual unless you're made of not-wuss [18:14]
Vexual we make mango and bacardi daquaris here once a year, theres never enough lavatories [18:16]
Vexual its not the sugar that gets you [18:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 850 @ 0.00048247 = 0.4101 BTC [-] {4} [18:19]
Vexual drink a half of smirnoff and eat half a kilo of dried apricots for half an approximation of a northern australian mango festival [18:24]
Vexual it wont hurt you [18:26]
Vexual unless you have hyperosima [18:28]
Vexual pankakke, i have placed a personal ad for you in broken french [18:33]
pankkake :/ [18:33]
Vexual i made you sound pitiful [18:34]
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pankkake that won't work [18:34]
Vexual leggy models preffered [18:34]
pankkake ew [18:34]
Vexual larger cake fanciers? [18:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5370 @ 0.00088975 = 4.778 BTC [-] [18:35]
pankkake indeed. and shorter [18:35]
Vexual well ill have to send them styraight to you, i dont want to vet them [18:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15910 @ 0.0008873 = 14.1169 BTC [-] {4} [18:36]
Vexual wealthy pervert seeks sturdy smaller lady immediately [18:39]
Vexual i can't translate [18:39]
pankkake I'm not wealthy [18:39]
Vexual is there a word than means wealthyish? [18:40]
Vexual how about we say fantastic instead of wealthy? would that fit? [18:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.805 = 1.61 BTC [+] {2} [18:41]
pankkake I guess [18:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.8190069 = 1.638 BTC [+] [18:42]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00088396 = 3.4916 BTC [-] [18:59]
Vexual goodnight $100 btc [18:59]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [19:03]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 187.47398, Best ask: 187.99995, Bid-ask spread: 0.52597, Last trade: 187.10056, 24 hour volume: 45552.55595661, 24 hour low: 162.56145, 24 hour high: 195.83267, 24 hour vwap: 178.96398 [19:03]
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dexX7 mircea_popescu: you once said "the problem with ssl are the CAs".. so what's your take on issuing your own certificate? i'm aware that users would have to install them themselfs etc., but is there any downsite with ssl by itself? [19:09]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2013#353046 [19:10]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [19:10]
mircea_popescu there are numerous things that are wrong with the https implementation on multiple levels. [19:10]
mircea_popescu some could be solved with better implementation, which will never happen. some could not. [19:11]
dexX7 hm.. so what's the solution then? [19:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1967 @ 0.00088396 = 1.7387 BTC [-] [19:11]
mircea_popescu not using https for any sensitive material. if it's more than the login to some forum/blog/whatever of no consequence, it's no good. [19:12]
asciilifeform dexX7: the solution is to use crypto which isn't '90s key escrow wine in a new bottle. [19:12]
BigBitz What's wrong with HTTPS/TLS3 ? [19:14]
BigBitz or are you discussing the fact that the root CAs could be owned? [19:14]
mircea_popescu simply pointing out that the website login model is inadequate for any bitcoin anything. [19:15]
asciilifeform BigBitz: you still think it is a 'could' rather than an 'are' ? [19:15]
BigBitz asciilifeform that's a debate you could have forever and ever and ever :) [19:15]
BigBitz should/could/would/had/if/when/then replace it how you want. [19:15]
asciilifeform BigBitz: no. when some other fellow has a master key to your treasurebox, you're pwned by definition. whether he's bothered to paw through it yet, or not. [19:16]
BigBitz That's a foolish conception. [19:16]
BigBitz IF you thought that you'd never do anything in life, ever. [19:16]
mircea_popescu i am not having any debate. im simply pointing out the facts of the matter. [19:16]
mircea_popescu people inclined to debate with reality are welcome to their untimely demise. [19:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.78 = 2.34 BTC [-] [19:19]
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mircea_popescu ;;nethash [19:33]
gribble 2710671.83678 [19:33]
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pankkake "Sorry that you are leaving, I wish I could too, but I have a lot of responsibility to all the shareholder that are staying." kSLAUGHTER [19:45]
mircea_popescu so this is knc announcing it only has one shareholder ? [19:46]
pankkake knc? [19:49]
pankkake it's the notsoactivemining guy [19:49]
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mircea_popescu a sorry. got them mixed up [19:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.73133333 = 6.582 BTC [-] {5} [19:52]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08xQLGWTSag [19:54]
ozbot As Seen on TV - a tribute to doing it wrong - YouTube [19:54]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.36000002 = 0.72 BTC [-] [20:10]
virtuals ;;ticker [20:18]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 171.52762, Best ask: 175.00000, Bid-ask spread: 3.47238, Last trade: 175.00000, 24 hour volume: 53160.61716889, 24 hour low: 163.14133, 24 hour high: 195.83267, 24 hour vwap: 179.53753 [20:18]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 750 @ 0.00225 = 1.6875 BTC [-] [20:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.77 = 5.39 BTC [+] [20:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.0074 = 0.1332 BTC [-] [20:51]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8024 @ 0.00088647 = 7.113 BTC [+] [21:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 167 @ 0.00711778 = 1.1887 BTC [-] {5} [21:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.7025 = 5.62 BTC [-] {3} [21:18]
mircea_popescu and phuctor is over 250 keys loaded now. [21:30]
mircea_popescu thanks everyone >D [21:30]
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mod6 ;;bc,stats [21:49]
gribble Current Blocks: 264704 | Current Difficulty: 2.677312494824211E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 266111 | Next Difficulty In: 1407 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 8 hours, 47 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 347388307.954 | Estimated Percent Change: 29.75262 [21:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2076 @ 0.00088647 = 1.8403 BTC [+] [21:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 175 @ 0.001199 = 0.2098 BTC [-] [21:58]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 24 @ 0.0075 = 0.18 BTC [+] [22:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+] [22:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.77000001 = 1.54 BTC [+] [22:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+] {2} [22:08]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.79 = 1.58 BTC [+] [22:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 53 @ 0.36720402 = 19.4618 BTC [+] {3} [22:17]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 15 @ 0.0075 = 0.1125 BTC [+] [22:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2725 @ 0.00088992 = 2.425 BTC [+] [22:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7724 @ 0.00088922 = 6.8683 BTC [-] [22:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 26 @ 0.0075 = 0.195 BTC [+] [22:26]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 900 @ 0.00088494 = 0.7964 BTC [-] [22:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.0075 = 0.225 BTC [+] {2} [22:35]
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mircea_popescu http://www.playdeb.net/ << for the lulz. [22:38]
ozbot DNS points to prohibited IP | www.playdeb.net | CloudFlare [22:38]
mircea_popescu cloudflare says your ip is 216.201.78.13 ? [22:39]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 70 @ 0.0075 = 0.525 BTC [+] [22:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 77 @ 0.0075 = 0.5775 BTC [+] [22:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.009 = 0.225 BTC [+] [22:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 14 @ 0.009 = 0.126 BTC [+] [22:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6945 @ 0.00088488 = 6.1455 BTC [-] {2} [22:54]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.72 BTC [-] [22:56]
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jurov ;;bc,convert eur [23:24]
gribble 1 BTC = 179.00002 U.S. dollars = 130.857533 Euros [23:25]
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