Forum logs for 19 Mar 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
gribble Metropolitan (1990 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Metropolitan (1990) - IMDb: ; Whit Stillman's 'Metropolitan' 25 Years Later: How it Bec | Indiewire: [00:04]
asciilifeform l0l i think this is a record [00:05]
mircea_popescu what ? [00:05]
asciilifeform gribble delay [00:05]
mircea_popescu o ya [00:06]
asciilifeform ~25m [00:06]
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BingoBoingo ;;goxlag [00:07]
gribble Error: "goxlag" is not a valid command. [00:07]
asciilifeform l0l [00:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8187 @ 0.00042094 = 3.4462 BTC [+] [06:39]
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mircea_popescu !up zdm [09:15]
-assbot- You voiced zdm for 30 minutes. [09:15]
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deedbot- [Daniel P. Barron] Cantarita - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/cantarita/ [10:17]
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mircea_popescu btw, apropos of nothing in particular : Nonelementary Problems in an Elementary Exposition, A & I Yaglom. [10:39]
mircea_popescu it has a splendid statement of cauchy's binding of riemann zeta terms among other goodies. [10:40]
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asciilifeform holy fuck, 1st mircea_popescu b00k rec?! [10:41]
mircea_popescu never you mind! [10:41]
mircea_popescu but yes, fine, fine, should be on that biographical list danielpbarron was making. [10:42]
mircea_popescu was it him ? [10:42]
mircea_popescu bibliographical* [10:43]
asciilifeform was him [10:43]
asciilifeform and since when does that thing exist in engl?! [10:43]
mircea_popescu ikr ? [10:43]
mircea_popescu apparently jews will learn any language. [10:43]
asciilifeform speaking of jews, there is an english edition of the infamous 'jewish exam problems' compendium. [10:44]
mircea_popescu i hope it has the appropriate trigger warnings. [10:44]
asciilifeform it is actually same thing as the yaglom [10:45]
asciilifeform now i'm curious how many actually came from it to begin with. [10:46]
mircea_popescu speaking of trigger warnings, http://www.theguardian.com/education/2012/may/25/michael-gove-jewish-exam-question [10:48]
assbot Michael Gove criticises 'bizarre' Jewish exam question | Education | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1pSEiPI ) [10:48]
mircea_popescu apparently it's bizarre to ask! [10:48]
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mircea_popescu "To suggest that antisemitism can ever be explained, rather than condemned, is insensitive and, frankly, bizarre. AQA needs to explain how and why this question was included in an exam paper." [10:50]
mircea_popescu hurr. unintentional self-irony on the public budget! [10:50]
asciilifeform http://www.math.umt.edu/tmme/vol11no3/Egenhoff_10.pdf << jewishproblemz [10:53]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RsV65S ) [10:53]
asciilifeform ther are several dead tree collections. [10:53]
asciilifeform aka 'coffins' [10:54]
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phf asciilifeform: and since when does that thing exist in engl?! << http://www.amazon.com/dp/0486655369 has a bunch of nifty looking books in "customers who bought" [11:15]
assbot Challenging Mathematical Problems With Elementary Solutions, Vol. 1: A. M. Yaglom, I. M. Yaglom: 0800759655366: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1RsYEVG ) [11:15]
phf "the ussr olympiad problem book" [11:16]
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phf i'm waiting for western ashkenazim to start embracing persecution as a status symbol, kind of like how affirmative action devalued blacks in workforce, this is the opposite. was a bit of a thing in su, in some professions (anything related to mil for example) if you were known to be of jewish descent (you wouldn't be on paper, but "people talk") it was also kind of assumed that you were whicked smart to get in [11:22]
mircea_popescu it's not going to happen. [11:24]
mircea_popescu the sad truth of the 20th century history is that hitler did in fact succeed ; much more than the italian twerp succeeded in wiping the mafia - the nazis managed to actually end judaism. [11:25]
mircea_popescu the remnants, in both cases, are this ridoinculous us pretense, much in the way "indians" survived there. [11:25]
mircea_popescu a pt barnum version. [11:26]
phf "jewish lawyers" on tv [11:27]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the 'good partz' at any rate. [11:27]
mircea_popescu "we didn't end him - just decapitated". [11:27]
asciilifeform more or less. [11:28]
mircea_popescu in this case, more. [11:28]
mircea_popescu anyway. in the meantime the heat of battle forged a very different israel, which i suppose can lay claim to continuance. but it is in very few significant points continuing my notion of jewish. [11:31]
mircea_popescu then again the same can be said of imaginary postmodern nations such as "austria". really, austria ? ooookay. [11:31]
phf apropos, one thing that i couldn't quite grok moving to u.s., how the children of odessa expats (read isaac babel for example about jewish gangsters of odessa) turned into sniveling woody allen clones [11:32]
mircea_popescu you familiar with the whole "slav soul, fatalism, blabla" ? [11:32]
mircea_popescu the us has it also ; they're much more retarded about it is all. [11:33]
mircea_popescu place's too big, is the problem, and in both cases. [11:33]
asciilifeform babel is mega-lulzy and exists today in, afaik, every language, mega-recommended to all [11:33]
asciilifeform wtf means too big [11:33]
asciilifeform no such thing [11:33]
mircea_popescu from which we surmise you never had sex. [11:34]
davout !b 3 [11:34]
assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3Y6NGV8.txt ) [11:34]
asciilifeform l0l [11:34]
mircea_popescu aha. [11:34]
mircea_popescu no rub, no pleasure. is such thing as too big. [11:34]
phf zing [11:34]
asciilifeform i dont fuck countries.. [11:34]
asciilifeform (cuntries?) [11:35]
mircea_popescu ofcourseyoudo. [11:35]
mircea_popescu herein inclouded by reference, [11:35]
asciilifeform hm. [11:35]
mircea_popescu !s resistance of the medium [11:35]
assbot 8 results for 'resistance of the medium' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=resistance+of+the+medium [11:35]
asciilifeform possibly. [11:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform country is everyone's woman, eh. what else did you think it were, an abstraction ? [11:35]
mircea_popescu (for the curious re notion of jewish - for one thing it speaks fucking idis, and for the other see bashevis-singer an' let me be.) [11:38]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2016#1436450 << adlai awake? or is he still digesting that kg of lsd. [11:38]
assbot Logged on 19-03-2016 14:32:50; mircea_popescu: anyway. in the meantime the heat of battle forged a very different israel, which i suppose can lay claim to continuance. but it is in very few significant points continuing my notion of jewish. [11:38]
asciilifeform i once met the rarest animal on planet3 [11:39]
mircea_popescu really alf, lost fambly in saxon wastelands speaking plattdeutsch closer to jewish than hebrew speakers in africa. [11:39]
asciilifeform ~young~ chick who spoke with idish accent [11:39]
asciilifeform and yeah 'jew' means ashkenazim, the other kinds may as well be eskimos as far as i'm concerned [11:40]
mircea_popescu 3% in 1000 ad, 97% in 1930s. today's israel has a fake 5 or 10% or somesuch, made mostly of retirees and plastics. [11:43]
mircea_popescu pretty epic story, really. but the imposture is also evident. [11:43]
asciilifeform updated http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545 with link to ben_vulpes's excellent manual, which i entirely forgot about. [11:48]
assbot Loper OS » Vectored Signatures, or the Elements of a Possible V-Algebra. ... ( http://bit.ly/1pQWk4X ) [11:48]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.0004203 = 5.9472 BTC [-] {2} [13:29]
deedbot- [Trilema] Eulora : Auctions and Bilbulations - http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-auctions-and-bilbulations/ [13:41]
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mod6 Does anyone else see these error messages running the latest trb (minus shiva)? Looks to be in main.cpp:ProcessMessage around lines 1855:1913. It doesn't look to me to be related to the malleus patch, but I could be wrong there. Thoughts? Seen the same in your logs? Plz let us know. http://dpaste.com/21PJMY4.txt [14:17]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1pT50rx ) [14:17]
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mircea_popescu mod6 cat debug.log | grep "std::bad_alloc" yields nothing. [14:25]
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mod6 mircea_popescu: ok thanks for checking. [14:27]
mod6 fwiw, my node doesn't die, just keeps on running in the event of this exception. [14:28]
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thestringpuller mod6: looks like my node keeps stalling once it gets up to date? [15:14]
thestringpuller it's still pulling in transactions in the logs, but it's not receiving any blocks [15:14]
thestringpuller asciilifeform 's stuck node phenomenon I suppose [15:15]
hanbot so mod6 & anyone else interested in that shortlogs idea (http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1434765): i've been trying out two versions of shortening; one trimmed of off-topic and nontechnical commentary, the other with any relevant line/argument summarized. a possibly substantial problem i see with either of these is that the accompanying philosophical discourse, esp from mircea_popescu, is probably mandatory for comprehension, ev [15:22]
hanbot en if doing a quick lookup later [15:22]
hanbot and from my own experience anyway, if you cut out some portion of what the man said it WILL come back to bite you [15:23]
hanbot one could leave such things intact and merely trim actual offtopic...not sure if that'd actually be useful in the sense mod6 was looking for tho (also not sure it'd merit pay) [15:24]
mircea_popescu i'd hire myself to shorten myself ; but then again i already do. [15:25]
hanbot lol precisely. [15:25]
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mircea_popescu in other news, http://imgur.com/gallery/9901ndZ [15:28]
assbot I can't beleaf it, all for me! - GIF on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1nXI7By ) [15:28]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2016#1436488 << this is an OOM condition. [15:44]
assbot Logged on 19-03-2016 17:19:23; mod6: Does anyone else see these error messages running the latest trb (minus shiva)? Looks to be in main.cpp:ProcessMessage around lines 1855:1913. It doesn't look to me to be related to the malleus patch, but I could be wrong there. Thoughts? Seen the same in your logs? Plz let us know. http://dpaste.com/21PJMY4.txt [15:44]
asciilifeform nonfatal, because the thing was written by tards [15:44]
asciilifeform but a node that has experienced it cannot be assumed to be in a consistent state [15:44]
asciilifeform and oughta be restarted [15:44]
asciilifeform and in fact oom ought to be handled in the exception catcher as a fatal [15:45]
asciilifeform in related nyooz, i discovered that one of my test trb boxen has been wedged, without any meaningful log noise whatsoever, for ~2wks [15:45]
asciilifeform interestingly, it was among those NEVER exposed directly to the net, fed -connect directly from zoolag (on lan) [15:46]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2016#1436494 << the idiocy of single-threaded block verification. [15:47]
assbot Logged on 19-03-2016 18:16:17; thestringpuller: it's still pulling in transactions in the logs, but it's not receiving any blocks [15:47]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2016#1436490 << you won't see this unless oom [15:47]
assbot Logged on 19-03-2016 17:26:48; mircea_popescu: mod6 cat debug.log | grep "std::bad_alloc" yields nothing. [15:47]
asciilifeform guaranteed. [15:47]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2016#1436500 << shortening doesn't work. not if the material is any good to begin with, and author 'left out the parts people skip' [15:48]
assbot Logged on 19-03-2016 18:27:01; mircea_popescu: i'd hire myself to shorten myself ; but then again i already do. [15:48]
asciilifeform i still marvel at the idiocy of the existence of oom-without-oomkill [15:53]
asciilifeform 'sure it couldn't alloc but let's carry on' [15:53]
asciilifeform what kind of liquid shit does a designer need to have for brains, or an os that allows this ? [15:53]
asciilifeform i could even see a suspend-on-oom [15:54]
asciilifeform but 'pretend nothing happened' ?? [15:54]
asciilifeform mind-boggling. [15:54]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: do you have a solution for "stuck node" phenonemon? [16:09]
ben_vulpes thestringpuller: kill -9 [16:11]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2016#1436484 << neat! [16:12]
assbot Logged on 19-03-2016 14:50:34; asciilifeform: updated http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545 with link to ben_vulpes's excellent manual, which i entirely forgot about. [16:12]
* ben_vulpes runs to logs, sees an infinity percent increase in traffic [16:12]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: nope, the only genuine solution would be multithreaded trb [16:12]
thestringpuller fuck. i guess I'll just add watchdog and if logs don't have `ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED` in the last 60 minutes `kill -9 ; ./startrb.sh` [16:20]
thestringpuller if already nigga rigged, might as well duct tape the whole thing [16:21]
trinque thestringpuller: where are you hosting [16:31]
thestringpuller my house... [16:31]
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thestringpuller asciilifeform: said real nodes aren't hosted.......... [16:31]
thestringpuller they are run from closet in house [16:31]
trinque the reason I ask is that my "stuck node" problems vanished when I left AWS. [16:31]
thestringpuller ah. yea. I'm running on debian jessie a core 2 duo machine (older but not super old). but everytime thing gets "up to date" it stops asking for blocks [16:32]
thestringpuller i honestly don't know if I can run as true full node [16:32]
thestringpuller but then again I'm only connected to ascii's node right now to receive blocks [16:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00042074 = 1.2201 BTC [+] [16:47]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform> interestingly, it was among those NEVER exposed directly to the net, fed -connect directly from zoolag << that IS interesting. wut ?! [17:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform> 'sure it couldn't alloc but let's carry on' << maybe it didn't really need it ? [17:51]
mircea_popescu there's perfect reason for OS to allow it if code does. "couldn't load that picture - sorry", for instance. [17:51]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller> if already nigga rigged, might as well duct tape the whole thing << that's actually not even the worst solution. [17:52]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2016#1436542 << aha just sat there, hanging. [18:01]
assbot Logged on 19-03-2016 20:51:53; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> interestingly, it was among those NEVER exposed directly to the net, fed -connect directly from zoolag << that IS interesting. wut ?! [18:01]
mircea_popescu innerving. [18:01]
asciilifeform not oom, nothing at all. [18:02]
asciilifeform (box with 24G of ram, not even 1/4 full) [18:02]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2016#1436543 << there is no provision for anything of the kind in trb, beyond the barbaric expedient of a tx which throws exception during processing simply not being stored [18:02]
assbot Logged on 19-03-2016 20:52:51; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> 'sure it couldn't alloc but let's carry on' << maybe it didn't really need it ? [18:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i was being facetious, sorry for omitted quotes. [18:03]
mircea_popescu "maybe it didn't really need it" [18:04]
asciilifeform l0l [18:07]
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mircea_popescu and in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/5020de06eea1bc0543b5b4f0d8324ac0/tumblr_ntwpu9cgtb1tkka62o1_1280.jpg [18:42]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RWohPm ) [18:42]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00041975 = 11.6271 BTC [-] [20:39]
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mod6 hanbot: hmm, ok that makes some sense as far as the philosophical components. i wonder if simply an index with pointers to indexed topic wouldn't just be something worthwhile. i.e. "Discussion around MP's change requirements and keccak hash family => [LOG_URL_1] [LOG_URL_N] [...]" [21:08]
mod6 at minimum that could point a person in the right direction to find #b-a discussions in the log about said topic. [21:09]
mod6 thoughts on that? [21:09]
mod6 asciilifeform: about that error I saw, thanks for your insight. I looked the other system logs to see if that was the issue, but didn't see the OOMKILL like I have before. So I was thinking it wasn't related to that somehow. Anyway, good to know. [21:12]
mod6 *looked at [21:12]
mod6 And beyond that, as you were saying, it didn't get oomkill'd, just kept right along going. i think you're right, we should throw a fatal exception in the event of oom. [21:13]
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asciilifeform http://www.internetsociety.org/sites/default/files/04_2_2.pdf << almost ideal case study of WHAT NOT TO DO omfg111111 [21:28]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1T225Z1 ) [21:28]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: lol [21:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00041975 = 12.2987 BTC [-] [21:37]
BingoBoingo In "lovedog" news http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/a4-waist-challenge---new-trend-for-women-to-slim-down-to-thinner/ [21:40]
assbot A4 waist challenge - new trend for women to slim down to thinner than a sheet of paper ... ( http://bit.ly/1T23zTa ) [21:40]
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