Forum logs for 19 Jan 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32464 @ 0.00084567 = 27.4538 BTC [-] [00:13]
benkay http://homakov.blogspot.com/2014/01/account-hijacking-on-mtgox.html?# [00:13]
ozbot Egor Homakov: Account hijacking on MtGox [00:13]
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nubbins` i reported a gaping CSRF vuln on havelock last year [00:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00084533 = 5.4946 BTC [-] [00:19]
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benkay did it get fixed? [00:27]
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nubbins` yeah, i submitted a fix and they applied it almost immediately [00:27]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 175 @ 0.005 = 0.875 BTC [00:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00084537 = 5.3258 BTC [+] [00:46]
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nubbins` any osx users here? [01:01]
mircea_popescu website "accounts". [01:02]
nubbins` ^ a square peg, if small enough, will fit into a round hole [01:03]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00084533 = 10.3976 BTC [-] [01:13]
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mircea_popescu meanwhile back at the bar, http://noescapepublicnudity.tumblr.com/image/57247915606 [01:14]
Duffer1 i'm not a fan of the V [01:15]
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pankkake ok, that one is nice [01:20]
pankkake nude in public isn't fun when it's on a deserted street at 6 am [01:21]
mircea_popescu what's the v ? [01:22]
mircea_popescu o her hairdo. yeah i guess it's kinda silly [01:22]
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mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/71cda16a2f5d0c117c30ee36d832f203/tumblr_mpl1doQpvd1sqenddo1_500.jpg [01:40]
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nubbins` heh [01:46]
nubbins` might as well be a stack of $100 bills [01:46]
mircea_popescu lol [01:47]
mircea_popescu .d [01:47]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.04999997 = 0.9 BTC [+] {2} [02:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.05 = 0.4 BTC [-] {3} [02:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00084533 = 10.3976 BTC [-] [02:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 267 @ 0.00040014 = 0.1068 BTC [-] {5} [02:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00084537 = 2.4938 BTC [+] [02:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00040013 = 0.12 BTC [-] {3} [02:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6227 @ 0.00084533 = 5.2639 BTC [-] [03:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 259 @ 0.00321385 = 0.8324 BTC [+] {10} [03:08]
KRS1 .bait [03:10]
ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/2eac9ffaf2b3b08b475c16a28ccd6622/tumblr_mpmhwsgkUq1rdn1f7o1_500.png [03:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00337736 = 0.1013 BTC [+] {3} [03:10]
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KRS1 unf unF unF uNF [03:10]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 75 @ 0.00339919 = 0.2549 BTC [+] {3} [03:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4707 @ 0.000092 = 0.433 BTC [+] [03:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 25000 @ 0.0000943 = 2.3575 BTC [+] {5} [03:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00084537 = 5.199 BTC [+] [03:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 567 @ 0.00369034 = 2.0924 BTC [+] {15} [03:19]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.04684184 = 4.6842 BTC [-] {11} [03:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 234 @ 0.00399987 = 0.936 BTC [+] {6} [03:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 25110 @ 0.00009584 = 2.4065 BTC [+] {5} [03:49]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.554 BTC [+] [04:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00534999 = 0.535 BTC [+] [04:17]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00084537 = 7.1011 BTC [+] [04:37]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 63 @ 0.0045 = 0.2835 BTC [+] [04:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.55001428 = 3.8501 BTC [-] {3} [04:42]
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KRS1 .bait [05:10]
ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/26ca4062920a054824054fa97dcbc311/tumblr_mp8xl36UMB1rlo3vko1_500.jpg [05:10]
KRS1 .bait [05:10]
ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/77058617f35c8599359f67a6877a961a/tumblr_mlrtb0RxvC1rqqzgio1_500.jpg [05:10]
KRS1 .bait [05:11]
ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/2341e8e92f654ce66bcd213625c939a7/tumblr_mjiapjVPSv1rl5021o1_500.jpg [05:11]
KRS1 .bait [05:11]
ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/60f02f8ae53803f4cd5bae4dd52c62bb/tumblr_mguhal3yHC1s1mcw0o1_1280.jpg [05:11]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00534999 = 0.214 BTC [+] [05:49]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9352 @ 0.00084533 = 7.9055 BTC [-] [05:52]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.0008457 = 6.8502 BTC [+] {2} [05:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.05 = 0.4 BTC [-] {2} [06:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00084571 = 8.1188 BTC [+] [06:11]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.555 BTC [+] [06:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00084571 = 10.9942 BTC [+] [06:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4847 @ 0.000097 = 0.4702 BTC [-] [06:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 35 @ 0.004 = 0.14 BTC [-] {3} [06:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 111 @ 0.00395198 = 0.4387 BTC [-] {3} [06:45]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 712 @ 0.00391404 = 2.7868 BTC [-] {3} [06:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00084533 = 2.2824 BTC [-] [06:48]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.000098 = 0.49 BTC [+] {2} [06:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00395 = 0.1185 BTC [+] {3} [07:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [7C] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC [-] [07:08]
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lippoper master [07:11]
lippoper .bait [07:11]
ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxjv54XLIw1qd33kzo1_500.jpg [07:11]
lippoper lol [07:11]
lippoper .bait [07:11]
ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1yo25FHs31qhs5wyo1_1280.jpg [07:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00395 = 0.1185 BTC [+] {3} [07:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00084571 = 5.328 BTC [+] [07:12]
lippoper .bait what? [07:12]
ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzhlokSI8r1qzhnmco1_500.jpg [07:12]
lippoper wow [07:12]
lippoper such bait [07:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00395 = 0.1185 BTC [+] {3} [07:15]
pankkake artsy bait [07:16]
pankkake .bait [07:16]
ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m28dw85scM1qducgxo1_1280.jpg [07:16]
pankkake she looks dead [07:16]
pankkake .bait [07:16]
ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1oossxxoV1qgbw1ro1_1280.jpg [07:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00395 = 0.1975 BTC [+] [07:17]
lippoper that .bait was not good [07:17]
lippoper .bait how better [07:17]
ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2dvgs9kCK1qfvrczo1_500.jpg [07:17]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 40 @ 0.005 = 0.2 BTC [07:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04799999 = 0.24 BTC [+] [07:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.048 = 0.768 BTC [+] [07:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.048 = 0.288 BTC [+] [07:41]
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Neil .d [07:55]
ozbot 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 976 blocks | Estimated Change: 18.5370% in 5d 12h 7m 55s [07:55]
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lippoper .bait [08:00]
ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/8102059c4b3812f6106011fceff6e8a0/tumblr_mrdeyhX1rr1revbiho1_1280.jpg [08:00]
lippoper .bait [08:02]
ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/652d10514ea3c99bd4dba13393af9d16/tumblr_mrh7efelwL1racc9so1_500.jpg [08:02]
KRS1 .bait [08:04]
ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/32b5805831e7f10d0706dff9263ae58c/tumblr_mqqczaWOqW1qbmigqo1_1280.jpg [08:04]
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KRS1 .bait [08:04]
ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/ec076e5063d22613324f9e380defb21f/tumblr_mqzi4c0eaS1r961bco1_1280.jpg [08:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.048 = 0.576 BTC [+] [08:05]
* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [13:24]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading [13:24]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Nov 27 22:34:53 2013 [13:24]
mircea_popescu http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pastafarian-minister-christopher-schaeffer-is-sworn-into-new-york-town-council-9044607.html [13:28]
ozbot Pastafarian minister Christopher Schaeffer is sworn into New York Town Council - Americas - World - [13:28]
mircea_popescu guy came to be sworn in with a calender on his head. [13:28]
mircea_popescu best part ? it all happened @Pomfret, which our serbian friends will love :D [13:29]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00085037 = 8.6738 BTC [+] [13:48]
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mircea_popescu what are you, retarded ? [14:02]
KRS1 much iq [14:12]
bitcoin-assests get an account in http://bit.ly/1jbUJ3x [14:17]
bitcoin-assests Yet 15 referrals at http://bit.ly/1koQ8MZ [14:18]
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bitcoin-assests Last but not least : http://bit.ly/19Xl1Uh [14:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 52 @ 0.00435 = 0.2262 BTC [+] [14:26]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17695 @ 0.00084422 = 14.9385 BTC [-] [14:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1941 @ 0.00084564 = 1.6414 BTC [+] [15:04]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55057301 BTC [-] [15:13]
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twizt so much affiliate spam [15:40]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/most-wrong-and-absolutely-wrongest/ [15:43]
ozbot Most wrong and absolutely wrongest pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [15:43]
mircea_popescu twizt they're kinda funny, in their warrior forum retardation. there was some dork coupla days earlier with his wave nonsense, [15:44]
mircea_popescu it's sort of like a petting zoo for the mentally challenged. [15:44]
twizt wheres a mod [15:45]
twizt much ban needed [15:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55057 BTC [-] [15:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00084588 = 4.4832 BTC [+] {2} [15:54]
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mircea_popescu hardly worth the hassle. [15:56]
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mircea_popescu "These guys worked for 10 years without pay. They have the right to have their work recognized with a diploma, which is nothing much these days." [17:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ever heard of the bogdanov twins ? [17:41]
asciilifeform nope [17:42]
asciilifeform or, wait... [17:42]
mircea_popescu the two guys that figured out the planck era. [17:43]
asciilifeform aha the french [17:44]
asciilifeform why remembered? [17:44]
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mircea_popescu "All these were ideas that could possibly make sense. It showed some originality and some familiarity with the jargon. That's all I ask." [17:44]
mircea_popescu because i was having a dispute with some lambsy over hierarchy, truth and all that. [17:45]
asciilifeform make lambsy stuff his fingers in a mains socket. he'll learn hierarchy, truth... [17:45]
asciilifeform ... and power. [17:46]
mircea_popescu i don't want her to lose a nail. [17:46]
mircea_popescu anyway, how often does an onslaught against humanities constructed around the sokal hoaks end up blindised by a "o yeah ?! what about the bogdanov twins then [17:48]
mircea_popescu !!!" [17:48]
pankkake bogdanov twins are pretty much "tv scientists" [17:49]
asciilifeform https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!msg/sci.physics/KOBNOKq9FvI/ZjV8jeT9-AkJ [17:49]
ozbot Google Groups [17:49]
mircea_popescu o wait, you had them on tv huh [17:49]
pankkake got their phd because everyone was tired of them, and schemed to have it delivered by a prestigious school, though they had nothing to do with that school [17:49]
mircea_popescu i wonder what % of people are in their situation by now. [17:50]
asciilifeform "Igor and Grishka Bogdanov are long-time TV stars on [17:50]
asciilifeform french TV, with an act between science-fiction and scientific [17:50]
asciilifeform popularisation. I am a bit surprised that a faculty failed to [17:50]
asciilifeform *know* them as experts in mystifications." [17:50]
mircea_popescu afaik it wasn't deliberately constructed [17:51]
mircea_popescu no / [17:51]
mircea_popescu ? [17:51]
pankkake well, you end up having most diplomas wether you're good or not; most diplomas mean nothing. I certainly wouldn't hire anyone who has my diplomas and nothing else to show [17:52]
pankkake deliberately constructed? [17:52]
asciilifeform i'm all for a little 'lustration' of physics as a field: [17:52]
asciilifeform exam: [17:52]
asciilifeform lock candidate in a well-stocked lab, circa 1920. [17:53]
asciilifeform he must, say, construct a (working) triode valve. [17:53]
asciilifeform if he fails, he goes to Kolyma instead of physics. [17:53]
mircea_popescu pankkake yes, like sokal's. [17:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform problem with this is the chinese would produce numerous triode valve procuders. [17:54]
asciilifeform sorta like an adult version of the 'MIT battery' test. [17:54]
nubbins` http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/01/casascius-back [17:54]
ozbot Bitcoin Mint Reopens After Nastygram From Feds | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com [17:54]
mircea_popescu you can probably train a well chosen monkey to make one [17:54]
mircea_popescu o hey. [17:54]
asciilifeform (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIhk9eKOLzQ) [17:54]
nubbins` "But how do you know that the privkey inside matches the public key part? And how do you know the privkey wasn't copied by someone before being sold to you? This thing is far less secure than a downloaded paper wallet!" [17:54]
nubbins` so much comment fail [17:54]
pankkake it's not really comparable. sokal wanted to prove a point, they just were bad and wanted a phd [17:54]
nubbins` i don't have a third hand to do a triple-facepalm, so i'm using the table [17:54]
mircea_popescu pankkake yeah. [17:54]
asciilifeform you can train a monkey, yes. but the problem is to be unexpected and picked from a hat, like a soviet oral exam [17:55]
asciilifeform one fellow gets to make a triode, another, to measure speed of light to 1%, another... [17:55]
mircea_popescu so caldwell moving to "m,ake your own coin" model / [17:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i wish to see this boat of yours. [17:55]
pankkake I remember when on my programming exams some studends were protesting because the things they had to solve were "new problems" [17:56]
mircea_popescu lol [17:56]
nubbins` mp, not sure why he didn't do this in the first place. [17:56]
mircea_popescu i recall from my days in highschool that teh womenz mostly wanted to do again and again the same stuff as likely to show up on the bacalaureat thingee. [17:56]
asciilifeform you could improve virtually any field, not only physics, with Extreme Muppet Removal Algorithm (TM) [17:56]
nubbins` "you send me x+y coins, i keep y coins, mail you shiny metal, then send x coins to your shiny metal" [17:56]
pankkake it was first year though, second year was much more sane [17:56]
pankkake but that clearly was the result of the high school mentality [17:57]
nubbins` plenty of forum rage, "how am i supposed to know the coins are funded! who do i trust!" etc [17:57]
mircea_popescu the way they packaged it at the time was that womenz get scared in unfamiliar situations and therefore must "have practice [17:57]
nubbins` "things are different, my thinker doesn't work anymore" [17:57]
mircea_popescu nubbins` course you could make your own holosticks and fdill the coins yourself. [17:57]
asciilifeform this hologram business, why does anyone swallow it [17:58]
nubbins` these new ones will still come with holos [17:58]
mircea_popescu shuit up. it shines. [17:58]
asciilifeform coping holo is 1980s tech [17:58]
asciilifeform *copy [17:58]
mircea_popescu i once put a shiny thing on my cock and it got bigger. [17:58]
nubbins` that was a mirror ;p [17:58]
mircea_popescu haters [17:58]
nubbins` "shit, i've got two bellheads now!" [17:59]
nubbins` asciilifeform: and yet the only fakes i've seen have been brutally obvious [17:59]
mircea_popescu did the holo say GUC ? [17:59]
pankkake finding the way to make cocks bigger is the sure way to becoming a billionnaire [17:59]
nubbins` it didn't even use the same font [17:59]
mircea_popescu or did you end up with the CCI end [18:00]
nubbins` HEH [18:00]
nubbins` http://casascius.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/counterfeit.jpg [18:00]
mircea_popescu much low quality. such shitty. [18:00]
mircea_popescu why no cam ? [18:00]
nubbins` compare to: http://imgur.com/1rJZWvV [18:01]
pankkake oh, it's not an original because there is no original written on it. i get it! [18:01]
nubbins` haha [18:02]
nubbins` "this hologram is not fake" [18:02]
mircea_popescu nubbins` there's a tshirt idea for you : [18:02]
asciilifeform that last one - 'casascius' vs. 'casacius' [18:02]
asciilifeform (middle vs. sides) [18:02]
mircea_popescu "this is the original tshirt. everyone else is just wearing copies." [18:02]
nubbins` ooh [18:02]
mircea_popescu yw. [18:03]
nubbins` would probably fetch a higher price than my idea for bespoke public key shirts, too [18:03]
asciilifeform i've never even seen these before, and this part was obvious [18:03]
nubbins` asciilifeform, that's the infamous "hologram error" that noobs believe makes the coins more valuable [18:03]
nubbins` in fact, 1btc holo error coins are maybe one of the more common sorts. [18:03]
asciilifeform beautiful. [18:03]
mircea_popescu apparently caldwell couscous'd his own cascasname [18:03]
nubbins` a truly rare gem is a 2011 1btc WITHOUT a hologram error. [18:04]
asciilifeform i still don't get the appeal, maybe i'm just thick [18:04]
nubbins` the appeal for me is that i'm into coin collecting anyway [18:04]
mircea_popescu kinda like being the only guy at the swinger's party with a chick with total hysterectomy. [18:04]
asciilifeform if i want coldwallets in ampoules, i'll seal them myself [18:04]
mircea_popescu it's RARE. [18:04]
nubbins` it's like if you found a sexy woman whose pussy was coded in ASM or something. [18:04]
mircea_popescu unrelatedly : did anyone know that obamacare specifies it's illegal to provide better health plans for top executives than you provide for rank and file clerks ? [18:05]
asciilifeform 'rare' is when you make 10 of something and they're the only such things on the planet [18:05]
nubbins` even us canadians don't take it that far. [18:05]
nubbins` that's ostensibly very egalitarian, got my doubts it'll work that way in practice [18:06]
mircea_popescu fuck practice. how dares it pretend to work that way in theory. [18:06]
nubbins` heh! [18:06]
mircea_popescu who would pay taxes in a fuckuntry where they actually believe random clerk has the same right to survive as a ceo. [18:06]
nubbins` regardless of premiums paid? [18:06]
nubbins` like, the ceo can't even pay extra for a better plan? [18:07]
mircea_popescu well apparently the notion that if i pay someone 1mn a year i can afford to pay for better health care than if he barely pulls his weight at 10k a year is a mystery nao. [18:07]
asciilifeform nubbins`: ceo buys a plane ticket and then whatever he likes. [18:07]
mircea_popescu basically, "let's make everything equal, in the sense that everything should suck" [18:08]
asciilifeform the whole thing is a 'conspicuous benevolence' circus, not actual politics. [18:08]
mircea_popescu "imagine, all the money we'll save" [18:08]
nubbins` well, short people can only raise a bar so high, y'know [18:08]
jurov we have put together an idea - etch the keys to the metal [18:08]
mircea_popescu jurov what's that help ? [18:08]
nubbins` there was a discussion about etched keys and medical imaging equipment [18:08]
jurov cover the privkey with another piece of metal, solder together [18:08]
nubbins` and whether the resolution is great enough [18:08]
asciilifeform the 'btc coin' is about as interesting as those cars they had in the 1890s, the ones with... reins. [18:08]
jurov and apply the stamp to the solder [18:08]
jurov no flimsy holos [18:09]
nubbins` hm. [18:09]
mircea_popescu i doubt this is in any way stronger. [18:09]
nubbins` so like a picture charm? [18:09]
nubbins` but soldered together? [18:09]
jurov yes, like with wax. you'll have to recreate the stamp if you tamper with it [18:10]
nubbins` seems trivial [18:10]
jurov imho harder than to peel off holo sticker [18:10]
nubbins` why not just press wax against the seal to dupe it? [18:10]
nubbins` lel 80yo woman with teddy bear hat walked up the road [18:10]
nubbins` oh sorry, it's a wolf head [18:11]
jurov yes, ofc seal can be duped, but it takes some time [18:11]
mircea_popescu some time /! [18:11]
jurov it's harder than to figure out how to dissolve holo sticker glue, that's all [18:12]
nubbins` common solvents ;p [18:12]
asciilifeform try liquid CO2. [18:12]
nubbins` freeze it off! [18:12]
nubbins` i'm itching to try a few things, but i don't want to ruin a bunch of coins [18:13]
asciilifeform https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/File:Physbitcoinkey.jpg [18:13]
asciilifeform this, i take it, is the scheme? [18:13]
nubbins` yeah [18:13]
asciilifeform what's on the other side? [18:13]
nubbins` the pubkey [18:14]
asciilifeform yes, but is there a holo? [18:14]
nubbins` wait the other side of what? [18:14]
asciilifeform or just metal [18:14]
asciilifeform the coin [18:14]
nubbins` just metal [18:14]
asciilifeform then you have your answer. [18:14]
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nubbins` http://imgur.com/TOxg3pc [18:15]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [18:15]
nubbins` do i? :( [18:15]
asciilifeform slice metal coin with appropriate tool (excimer laser?), read key, fuse metal again. [18:15]
asciilifeform or drill with same, then borescope. [18:15]
asciilifeform hologram is untouched. [18:15]
nubbins` holo untouched, metal butchered [18:16]
nubbins` you're telling me you can half a coin along its height and reattach it? [18:16]
asciilifeform metal can be replicated with 19th c. tech. [18:16]
nubbins` hm [18:16]
asciilifeform http://site.spyville.com/spy-coins/spy-coin-quarter.jpg [18:16]
nubbins` heh. [18:16]
nubbins` would be tough to not roast the private key [18:17]
nubbins` it's just paper [18:17]
asciilifeform ever boil water in a paper cup? [18:17]
asciilifeform try it [18:17]
nubbins` that's a bit different, paper can survive comfortably at 100C [18:18]
nubbins` it cannot survive comfortably at the melt point of brass [18:18]
asciilifeform it doesn't even singe [18:18]
asciilifeform and laser doesn't melt, it sublimates. [18:18]
asciilifeform (unless you're a complete noob) [18:18]
asciilifeform re: drilling: [18:18]
asciilifeform http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/uploaded/Omnivorous/20120304_moneta.jpg [18:18]
nubbins` true [18:18]
nubbins` regardless, there'd still be enormous heat transfer to the paper, no? [18:19]
asciilifeform so you remove the heat on the other side. [18:19]
nubbins` uh huh. right. sorry, no coffee yet today [18:19]
asciilifeform peltier element stack. keep the paper at a comfortable 20C. [18:19]
nubbins` i was looking at peltier fans the other day, actually [18:20]
nubbins` my folks have a propane fireplace, but the fan obv doesn't circulate the heat when the power goes [18:20]
asciilifeform consumer cpu peltier isn't the answer here, you want a fat stack like the kind used in PCR machines. [18:20]
nubbins` well, when these unfunded coins start hitting the market, i bet there's going to be some experimenting going on [18:21]
asciilifeform re: fireplace: nobody cancelled thermodynamics. your main problem will be to find a cold object for the other end of the peltier. [18:21]
nubbins` the air in the room :D [18:21]
nubbins` i've seen ones that will run off the temp differential between the top of the stove and the ambient air [18:22]
asciilifeform that's pretty easy. your tea kettle does much the same. [18:23]
nubbins` http://www.leevalley.com/en/gifts/page.aspx?c=&p=50246&cat=4,104,55967 [18:23]
ozbot Ecofan® - Lee Valley Tools [18:23]
nubbins` lee valley is a wondrous place for tinkerers and fiddlers [18:23]
nubbins` wait, is this even the same goddamn tech? [18:24]
nubbins` yeah [18:24]
nubbins` wait, no. similar. [18:24]
nubbins` anyway, i think the main reason nobody's tried slicing and dicing casascius coins until now is because the premiums were always so goddamn high [18:26]
nubbins` and nobody wanted to potentially flush a couple btc down the drain experimenting [18:26]
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asciilifeform no need to use an actual coin to experiment [18:27]
asciilifeform brass with paper glued to it should suffice for a proof of concept. [18:27]
nubbins` hm, nod [18:28]
nubbins` i think the holo itself would shrivel long before the paper browns, but point remains the same. as long as you can keep the reverse (or is it obverse?) at room-ish temperature [18:28]
nubbins` a casascius spy coin, imagine [18:29]
asciilifeform other idea [18:30]
asciilifeform private key is presumably printed after hologram is made [18:30]
nubbins` yes. [18:30]
asciilifeform STM (microscope) the holo side. [18:30]
asciilifeform watch for bumps. [18:30]
asciilifeform ink has mass! [18:30]
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asciilifeform poor man's STM can be made with a pair of piezo speakers ($1-5 each) [18:31]
nubbins` i've got stacks of piezos [18:31]
asciilifeform think 'record player' but with a very sharp needle and on an x-y plane instead of spiral. [18:32]
nubbins` with a needle and a piezo, srsly? [18:32]
asciilifeform http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/ScanningTunnelingMicroscope_schematic.png [18:33]
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nubbins` huh. yeah, apparently <$1k in parts [18:34]
asciilifeform one kid did an $50 demo (a decade or two ago?) [18:35]
nubbins` ! [18:35]
nubbins` i'm imagining repurposing a 3d printer [18:37]
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nubbins` precise x,y,z control [18:37]
asciilifeform nope. you need oscillating analogue signal for the kind of distances involved [18:37]
asciilifeform 3d printer gives you 0.1mm/step at best [18:38]
nubbins` PWM? [18:38]
asciilifeform stepper motor is geared so 1 step = x mm. of belt travel [18:38]
nubbins` aha [18:38]
nubbins` .1mm might be okay, y'know [18:38]
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nubbins` once you get a handle on the font, even a fairly low-res image would narrow things down to a reasonable set of possibilities [18:41]
asciilifeform once you establish a way to pick up ink/no-ink on the holo side, the jig is up. [18:41]
asciilifeform you might even be able to use the piezo needle for x-y and a sensitive capacitance meter for the 'ink' signal. [18:42]
asciilifeform holo is aluminum, coin is brass, ink+paper -> dielectric [18:43]
asciilifeform treat the system as a grid of very small capacitors... [18:43]
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nubbins` i'm about 70% of the way towards just giving you a coin to play with ;p [18:44]
lippoper .bait [18:44]
ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me0t3uS36r1qk2vvro1_1280.jpg [18:44]
asciilifeform why count on others, do it yerself [18:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.54334699 = 10.8669 BTC [-] {5} [18:44]
asciilifeform btw, what's the thing printed on the top? 1st characters of key? [18:44]
asciilifeform if so, this means you can check your answer without popping the coin's cherry. [18:45]
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nubbins` yes, correct [18:46]
nubbins` not quite firstbits, but you can check the code against a published list [18:46]
asciilifeform well then. [18:46]
nubbins` hence the derpiness of "how will we know the coins are funded?" regarding forthcoming self-funded coins [18:47]
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nubbins` just clicking through related articles on wired [18:50]
nubbins` http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/category/thats-not-how-you-use-it/ [18:50]
ozbot That's Not How You Use It | Gadget Lab | Wired.com [18:50]
nubbins` lel [18:50]
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nubbins` there's an article on how to properly wear a bike helmet [18:50]
nubbins` and another explaining the dangers of tightly wrapping your macbook's power cord around the brick [18:50]
nubbins` up next: 10 reasons why it's a bad idea to masturbate with a reciprocating saw [18:51]
asciilifeform http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2011/11/Snapshot-2011-11-14-16-35-171.jpg [18:55]
asciilifeform china tests orbital laser cutter. [18:55]
nubbins` that's quite the tangram [18:56]
asciilifeform (as good a guess as any) [18:56]
nubbins` http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/02/lockwhip-bike-tool-demoed-by-rider-with-a-deathwish/ [18:56]
ozbot LockWhip Bike Tool Demoed by Rider with a Deathwish | Gadget Lab | Wired.com [18:56]
nubbins` ^ pretty lelly video as well as article [18:56]
nubbins` "As you can see, the chap doing the demonstration is a qualified fixed-gear rider: With no brakes, he terrorizes pedestrians by running a red light at top speed and careers into London’s Picadilly Circus. He also has the obligatory skinny pants with Kryptonite Evo-Mini D-lock in the back pocket. Rest assured: this guy is a professional." [18:56]
asciilifeform looks a little like: http://www.milsurpstuff.com/prodimages/PJTW1.jpg [18:57]
asciilifeform ('m16' barrel wrench. single-piece combo tools are nothing new.) [18:58]
nubbins` i like how they chose an asshole rider who blows red lights to demo their product [18:58]
nubbins` near the end of the video, he misses a bus by about two coats of paint [18:59]
nubbins` switching gears for a second, looks like this gem will sell: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/331103983219?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 [18:59]
nubbins` ooh, pun actually not intended. [18:59]
asciilifeform wonder if just us having this conversation shaved a few pennies of the market value of these things [19:01]
asciilifeform crack one, crack them all... [19:01]
nubbins` there's a high level of irrationality present in the subset of people who are into these coins [19:03]
asciilifeform can't imagine it would survive a public reading of the key through the holo. [19:03]
nubbins` at decfon last year, they managed to remove a holo while leaving only slight traces of tampering [19:03]
nubbins` everyone then rushed to get their coins graded and slabbed, as if the cat wasn't already out of the bag [19:04]
asciilifeform 'slight' is not quite as spiffy as 'none.' [19:04]
nubbins` not nearly as spiffy, no [19:04]
nubbins` i still haven't seen a legit, undetectable unfunding. [19:04]
asciilifeform 'best way to predict the future is to invent it.' [19:04]
nubbins` nod [19:04]
nubbins` casascius started offering pgp custody chains [19:05]
nubbins` i took him up on it and have been offering to extend the chain to buyers. only one has taken me up on it so far. [19:05]
nubbins` to be fair, once the coin changes hands twice, a chain of custody is essentially useless [19:06]
asciilifeform well, chain of custody could help you avoid coins touched by people with dirty minds, like you and i. [19:07]
asciilifeform (though if i actually gave a damn about exploiting casascius, last thing i'd do is tell people about it.) [19:07]
nubbins` the devil you know, etc [19:07]
nubbins` one of the interesting things about casascius coins is that nobody seems to know how to price them [19:08]
nubbins` there are a handful of fools who insist on pricing via "2x/4x face value" and other nonsense [19:09]
nubbins` as if the face value of a coin has any bearing on its numismatic value [19:09]
nubbins` then there are the fools who believe their coins are impossibly valuable -- plenty of 25btc rounds with asking prices of 40+btc [19:10]
nubbins` as if somebody's going to pay a $13,000 premium for a round minted last year [19:10]
nubbins` i spoke to a guy who TURNED DOWN an offer of 30btc for his 10btc round. [19:11]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/ron-maimon-lubos-motl-and-other-internet-things-i-hear-of-today-for-the-very-first-time/ [19:12]
mircea_popescu i'm doing internet muppets today. [19:12]
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nubbins` heh [19:15]
nubbins` mircea_popescu, ever read "the coming insurrection"? [19:15]
mircea_popescu i don't think so. [19:15]
nubbins` written by "the invisible committee", aka the Tarnac Nine [19:16]
nubbins` seems like the sort of thing you might enjoy reviewing, if not reading [19:16]
asciilifeform speaking of truly bizarre, for anyone who missed it earlier: [19:17]
asciilifeform http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/2711/1/The%20answer%20lies%20in%20the%20sewers(lsero).pdf [19:17]
asciilifeform "the answer lies in the sewers." [19:17]
nubbins` http://zinelibrary.info/files/pdf_Insurrection.pdf [19:18]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-I6XTVZXww other bizarre [19:18]
ozbot ASTOUNDING: 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + ... = -1/12 - YouTube [19:18]
mircea_popescu nubbins` aite. [19:18]
nubbins` pdf, i know [19:18]
nubbins` it's not readily available in plain text [19:18]
asciilifeform neither is 'sewers', but definitely worth reading. [19:19]
nubbins` i first read this around the time "occupy" was floundering about. had a chuckle at one point where they decry the General Assembly as essentially the worst idea ever [19:19]
nubbins` meanwhile, 5k hippies in downtown NY... [19:20]
mircea_popescu nubbins` i guess i'll convert it [19:20]
nubbins` asciilifeform, i'm gonna bookmark this [19:20]
nubbins` mircea_popescu, i downloaded the printable version and read it as hard copy [19:21]
nubbins` easy print-stack-fold format [19:21]
nubbins` incomprehensibly, the printable version is english-only [19:22]
nubbins` ... [19:22]
nubbins` actually, sorry. [19:22]
nubbins` http://tarnac9.wordpress.com/texts/the-coming-insurrection/ [19:22]
ozbot The Coming Insurrection | Support the Tarnac 10 [19:22]
nubbins` i think that's actually the complete text [19:22]
nubbins` "Another reflex is to call a general assembly at the slightest sign of movement, and vote. This is a mistake. The business of voting and deciding a winner, is enough to turn the assembly into a nightmare, into a theater where all the various little pretenders to power confront each other. Here we suffer from the bad example of bourgeois parliaments. An assembly is not a place for decisions but for [19:23]
nubbins` palaver, for free speech exercised without a goal." [19:23]
nubbins` that's rich [19:23]
mircea_popescu lol [19:24]
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nubbins` k, gotta jet. peace [19:26]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` why am i reading a french text in english ?! [19:27]
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benkay` the only fartup in which i'm taking equity right now is Bitcoin. [20:50]
KRS1 did you guys se this [20:50]
KRS1 https://ripple.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5509 [20:50]
ozbot Ripple Discussion • View topic - Peercover Simple Stocks [20:50]
benkay` https://ripple.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5509#p36398 [20:52]
ozbot Ripple Discussion • View topic - Peercover Simple Stocks [20:52]
benkay` "So if I own a business I can sell shares on ripple using your service? I will need to look into this..." [20:52]
KRS1 looks like it [20:53]
benkay` if this person actually "owned" an actual "business" they wouldn't be "looking into" selling shares on some derpy ripple thing [20:53]
KRS1 actually it specifically says you can buy/sell tickers tied to the ripple protocol with this platform [20:53]
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KRS1 hard to figure out what the hell anymore..such scam everywhere you look it seems [20:59]
benkay` if it's not actually a bitcoin it's a scam [20:59]
benkay` most of the time it's a scam of the innocent 'i want to derp a thing related to buttcorns so i'll poop some features and call it bitcoin 2.0' type [21:00]
KRS1 so consider this..peercover is insurance but they also will now have an exchange for trading..doesn't this complicate their liquidity requirements [21:00]
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kakobrekla kyle_torpey ENJOY YOUR MEAL, eveyone, kyle_torpey is having lunch!!!11 [21:01]
pankkake bitcoin businesses seem to raise money when they don't need it, end up with a shitload of coins, and simply don't have any incentive to work [21:01]
pankkake whereas they could do most of the work before raising funds [21:02]
benkay` KRS1: where can i read more about peercover being insurance? their website has *nothing*. [21:02]
KRS1 sec [21:02]
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mircea_popescu KRS1 how is this new/noteworthy/whatever ? [21:03]
mircea_popescu and who's kyle [21:04]
benkay` also i ams in need of htmling and cssing does anyone in here have a recommendation? [21:04]
mircea_popescu and oter questions [21:04]
KRS1 wow peercover site sux [21:05]
mircea_popescu benkay` alberto ? [21:05]
benkay` alberto? [21:06]
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pankkake benkay`: what do you mean exactly, htmling and cssing? [21:06]
mircea_popescu yes, alberto amandi. an expert. [21:06]
jurov safety-compliant round corners? [21:06]
mircea_popescu read like "an hero" [21:06]
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KRS1 I found more information about peercover here http://ripplefederation.org/news/peercover-launches-distributed-insurance-platform-built-on-ripple [21:07]
pankkake I only do manly CSS. sharp corners, no shadows [21:07]
benkay` pankkake: mvp landing pages, 2014-compliant design choices [21:07]
mircea_popescu "only do mainly" is not english [21:07]
benkay` styling of web application stuff and of course hacking on legacy crap [21:08]
mircea_popescu KRS1 do you see any indication this is anything more or other than a purely nominalist rebranding of their old crap that was already beaten to shit in the marketplace ? [21:08]
pankkake mircea_popescu: manly not mainly [21:08]
mircea_popescu whoa i cnat raed. [21:08]
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KRS1 mircea_popescu my vote is no [21:10]
KRS1 i tossed it out to the chan to see if anyone had an opinion [21:10]
KRS1 mircea_popescu: it wasn't peercover exactly I was trying to get at here, it was their trading platform [21:13]
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mircea_popescu the idea they're still pushing usagiesque nonsense... [21:15]
mircea_popescu crowd insurance. heh. [21:15]
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KRS1 thats a nightmare waiting to happen imo [21:22]
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KRS1 love this analogy: xrp, like worldcoin turned our lady bitcoin into a cheap whore [21:23]
mircea_popescu initially they thought they can buy their way into relevancy, and intelligent actors bleed them dry. [21:23]
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KRS1 haa nice [21:23]
mircea_popescu now they don't dare try for phase two of that, and so they're stuck waiting. it will probably be indefinite. [21:23]
KRS1 they're hitting up angel investment in the meantime [21:23]
asciilifeform the funny part is that these folks would be richer, work less, and spend slightly less time in jail if... they wrote virii. [21:24]
asciilifeform and would be serving a useful 'ecological purpose' [21:24]
asciilifeform (put people off winblows) [21:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform they'd be even richer, work more at shit they like working at and so on and so forth if they just gave up their delusions of self importance and agency and just found some better people to submit to. [21:25]
mircea_popescu in short, people rarely make the best decisions for themselves [21:25]
mircea_popescu it's out of that wastage that communities emerge in the first place. [21:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i specifically brought up crapware as a field where a modestly clever fellow could work without answering to anyone. [21:25]
mircea_popescu yeah, but their problem kinda is that they should be answering to someone. i can sorta see the loneliness in their actions. [21:26]
asciilifeform i'm not certain why you so readily conclude that they aren't happy 'wolf men' [21:27]
asciilifeform (in the medieval sense of 'rogue') [21:27]
mircea_popescu well... either because i'm naive or because i've seen happy wolf men and they don't look like it [21:27]
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mircea_popescu a knave is not a rogue. [21:27]
mircea_popescu a knave is just a boy without a father. [21:28]
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KRS1 asciilifeform the problem with crapware is capitalizing on it, thats where the road ends for most..writing virii is the easy part [21:33]
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KRS1 lol @ And everyone must know, bitcoin will never be accepted by banks. NEVER. And because of this the price of bitcoin will rise like the price of cocaine in 1960. [21:34]
asciilifeform KRS1: crap artists (whom i hunt for a living, different story) never seem to have any problem renting out space on their crapnets. [21:35]
kakobrekla i wanna hear the different story [21:35]
mircea_popescu is it the phenomenology of cool driving it ? like he guy with the ferrari at burning man never having trouble "renting" the bitch ride ? [21:36]
mircea_popescu or is it actually economical ? [21:36]
asciilifeform maybe once i leave that work behind. i promise it isn't an interesting story though. [21:36]
asciilifeform most of what i see is profoundly disappointing in the intellectual sense. [21:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: remember your essay on spam? [21:37]
mircea_popescu i do. [21:37]
asciilifeform about how most spammers are cargo cultists [21:37]
asciilifeform who heard, of someone long ago and far away, turning a profit... [21:37]
pankkake it's very much like bitcoin mining [21:38]
pankkake profit is in selling the stuff [21:38]
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pankkake I don't think it used to be as separate as it is now [21:38]
asciilifeform as a boy, i read about an 18th c. book, 'Triple Power over the Forces of Hell' [21:38]
asciilifeform that promised the reader that he could learn to summon devils [21:38]
mircea_popescu hfkajs@hotmail.com [21:38]
mircea_popescu 91.207.6.174 Submitted on 2014/01/16 at 4:46 d.m. [21:38]
mircea_popescu {Entrepreneurs|Business owners|Internet marketers|Business people|Enterprisers} {and large|and enormous|and huge} {firms|companies|businesses|organizations|corporations} {should|ought to|must|need to|really should} {both|each|the two|both equally|equally} {take advantage of the|make use of the|use the|benefit from the|leverage the} {resources|sources|assets|solutions|information} {offered to|provided to|agreed to|wante [21:38]
mircea_popescu d to|told her i would} {U|Oughout|Ough|You|United}. {S|H|T|S i9000|Nasiums}. {クロエ 財布 新作 2013|シーバイクロエ バッグ 新作 2013|クロエ アウトレット|クロエ バッグ 人気|シーバイクロエ 財布 新作 2013} [21:38]
asciilifeform who would help him find treasures [21:38]
asciilifeform the book changed hands many, many times [21:38]
asciilifeform each time, for a much greater price [21:39]
asciilifeform i think back to this every time i read about the btc mining 'industry.' [21:39]
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mircea_popescu at least in the 1800s it was a book [21:40]
mircea_popescu now it's a box [21:40]
mircea_popescu anyway, the quote above is from my own blog. cargo cultist got a spam script, understands some parts of how it works. ends up sending the unprocessed spinlist. [21:41]
asciilifeform worst part is that in this latter case, the devil occasionally appears and shits out a little gold, just enough to temp the sinner into being stupider [21:41]
mircea_popescu imo that's the good part, but hey. [21:42]
asciilifeform i do agree, it's far more interesting with fully-functioning devils. [21:42]
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asciilifeform getting back to the crapware: most instances you're dealing with a case of 'work 12 hrs. a day to make minim. wage while you sleep.' [21:47]
mircea_popescu i like that expression. [21:48]
asciilifeform most of the career spammers / crapware artists are based in parts of the world where the resulting pennies buy you something approaching a civilized life. [21:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'm pretty sure i lifted that phrase straight from your essays [21:48]
mircea_popescu i came to it studying the warrior forum (*) years ago, when i noticed the unifying factor in all their textual emissions was a desire to "make money while you sleep". [21:48]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: as someone who works 'with' these people, i think i have a bit of a psycho-crackpot angle on their driving philosophy [21:49]
mircea_popescu * it's a large, affiliate forum. people who eke out a harsh existence at the edges of economy, internet and legality. the guys who buy 50k clicks on site y to send to site x. [21:49]
asciilifeform they want to eat without submitting. [21:49]
mircea_popescu that part is fine. [21:50]
asciilifeform some of them, if they could be fishermen on some forgotten shore, would probably take it up. [21:50]
mircea_popescu i suspect the baby is thrown with a bathwater somewhere at some point somehow tho [21:50]
mircea_popescu because at the bottom line there's no baby. [21:50]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the most successful ones i've 'met' so far live in your home town. [21:51]
jurov ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:984a516497b5bbf7875262e65772f2c2155a07cc3d0a46a878f36fae [21:51]
gribble You are now authenticated for user jurov with key 677ABD62D0AEE7D7 [21:51]
mircea_popescu ha. [21:51]
asciilifeform (obligatory note about the traditional 'good spies' vs. 'famous spies') [21:52]
nubbins` re: french vs english, i have no idea. TANJ. [21:52]
nubbins` apparently french people don't want to print things, nor read web pages [21:52]
mircea_popescu ;;google here's a story from our town, of the prettiest girl around. [21:52]
gribble JOHNNY CASH LYRICS - Ballad Of A Teenage Queen - A-Z Lyrics: ; Rodney Crowell - Ballad of a Teenage Queen (with lyrics) - YouTube: ; Our Town - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [21:52]
mircea_popescu there we go. [21:52]
nubbins` although a simpler explanation is that anglos find The Coming Insurrection much more interesting than francos. [21:53]
mircea_popescu nubbins` which is kind of my point. [21:53]
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asciilifeform crapware is a very valuable psychological gauge of mankind [21:53]
mircea_popescu in french is just a banal term paper on the works of otherwise commonplace academics. [21:53]
asciilifeform in the sense that it spans the entire spectrum from 'idiot, how does he remember to breathe' to 'brilliant, jewel of the ages' [21:53]
nubbins` i think there's less of an "allure of the unknown" on these sorts of topic in french society [21:53]
mircea_popescu in the intellectually-desititute english language, it's an incendiary tract glenn beck gets all excited about. [21:54]
nubbins` for obvious reasons [21:54]
mircea_popescu here's the thing : the french actually still think. [21:54]
nubbins` they still think and they still kick up a stink once in a while [21:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i agree, and i propose to you it's because it is a free market. [21:54]
nubbins` by and large, the anglo world was long ago cowed into inaction [21:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: correct. and what's yet funnier, it showcases the 'marx' point about 'alienated labour' [21:54]
nubbins` and texts like that are essentially an edgy fantasy novel [21:54]
mircea_popescu that's a reading on it, but i doubt there's depth there. [21:55]
asciilifeform in that the true craftsmen stand to profit directly from their craftsmanship, while the idiots are doing it 'as a job' [21:55]
nubbins` speaking of craftsmen, installing some nice new countertops and cabinets in the studio. [21:56]
asciilifeform curiously, the uptake of btc among crap artists has, so far, been minimal. they are very 'tradition-bound.' [21:56]
asciilifeform the few exceptions tend to get hyped up in the media organs [21:56]
nubbins` http://imgur.com/bjLuDv9 [21:56]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [21:56]
nubbins` will be nice to finally have a place to lay things [21:57]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i suspect the premise that criminals are driven by a desire to acquire wealth is flawed here. crap artists aren't REALLY running a business. [21:57]
mircea_popescu they're trying to entertain themselves. [21:57]
nubbins` ooh, ^ [21:57]
asciilifeform the good ones are clearly motivated by the pleasure of the craft [21:57]
mircea_popescu and the bad ones by boredom [21:57]
asciilifeform e.g. bulgarian 'dark avenger' and his intellectual descendents [21:57]
mircea_popescu in the end... kind of the same thing n'est pas. [21:57]
asciilifeform the bad ones seem to be motivated by... need. [21:58]
asciilifeform in the sense of a street beggar [21:58]
mircea_popescu i wouldn't believe anything poor people say that has "need" in it. [21:58]
nubbins` need mixed with lack of ambition, perhaps [21:58]
mircea_popescu i've yet not heard a case that wasn't a lie. [21:58]
asciilifeform in that very special sense of 'need' [21:58]
mircea_popescu yawell. [21:58]
asciilifeform 'ineedadrink, gimmme' [21:58]
nubbins` "I NEEDS A PACK OF SMOKES" [21:59]
nubbins` (verb conjugation is a very fluid thing here) [21:59]
asciilifeform in June, the fellow who wrote a popular trojan, 'Caberp', was pwned, and his whole disk posted for public amusement [22:03]
mircea_popescu what os ? [22:03]
asciilifeform if i recall, he was making about 1k usd / mo. [22:03]
asciilifeform winblows what else [22:04]
mircea_popescu so wait. [22:04]
asciilifeform it was the most valuable 'psychiatric' find in the field, because the disk was full of correspondence with customers and half-finished work [22:04]
nubbins` 1k/mo? [22:04]
mircea_popescu guy on windows pulling in 1k/mo is the nikki minj of viruses ? [22:04]
nubbins` that's like [22:04]
nubbins` below the poverty line [22:04]
asciilifeform remember: 'famous spy' [22:05]
mircea_popescu this is almost as much lol as the first time i got actual data as to what entertainers actually earn. [22:05]
asciilifeform 'most famous spy' != 'best spy' [22:05]
mircea_popescu dude they be rappaz. dey come take yo woman an' ride. [22:05]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: let me guess, not enough to sustain their lavish lifestyles? ;p [22:05]
mircea_popescu i read all about it [22:05]
mircea_popescu nubbins` what lavish lifestyles. [22:06]
asciilifeform there are mining nets 1mil+ strong. [22:06]
nubbins` you know, like renting out sports cars for video shoots. [22:06]
nubbins` or buying everyone's drinks at "the club" [22:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the fact that there are commecrial fleets worth >1bn does not necessarily mean any one ceo is living in better conditions than your average gulag campmaster. [22:06]
mircea_popescu you ever seen a star buy everyone drinks ?! [22:06]
nubbins` no D: [22:06]
pankkake http://www.osnews.com/story/27519/_OpenBSD_will_shut_down_if_we_do_not_have_the_funding_ (they accept btc donations) [22:06]
ozbot "OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding" [22:06]
mircea_popescu yay. [22:07]
nubbins` was surprised to learn de Raadt was canadian [22:07]
pankkake oh? I forgot [22:07]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: why yay ? [22:07]
nubbins` maybe the only calgarian who doesn't work in the service, oil, or cattle industries [22:07]
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nubbins` dated a girl years ago whose grandfather was an oil guy. he couldn't even keep track of all the places he owned land. [22:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it was my sort-of clever retort to nubbins [22:08]
pankkake openbsd = grumpy paranoid old guys so I thought it would fit in here [22:09]
mircea_popescu not my fault people spam the chan with stuff one could even claim is relevant. [22:09]
nubbins` the fault is mine on that point [22:09]
KableKiB kakobrekla kanzure Keefe KingCoin kleinessteak knotwork KRS1 Kushedout [22:09]
mircea_popescu pankkake how much do they need anyway ? [22:09]
asciilifeform ~20k, says [22:09]
nubbins` ^ [22:09]
asciilifeform (usd) [22:10]
nubbins` less than 24btc! [22:10]
jurov they should make openssh issue spammy donation pledges every now and then. problem solved [22:10]
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pankkake maybe people don't know that funds openssh [22:11]
pankkake and other nice things [22:11]
mircea_popescu donate via bitpay. heh. [22:11]
mircea_popescu well, does anyone know any of the devs ? [22:11]
punkman don't they need most of the money to keep testing builds on a bunch of old hardware? [22:11]
pankkake converted to filthy CAD [22:11]
nubbins` the new polymer bills can be washed ;p [22:11]
pankkake basically to fund theo's "datacenter" [22:12]
asciilifeform 'openbsd, running on dead squirrel in shoebox since 19xx...' [22:12]
pankkake http://www.openbsd.org/images/rack2009.jpg close [22:13]
asciilifeform (obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBLr4wbiR6E) [22:13]
punkman seems like a lot for just electricity, what the fuck does he have stashed in there [22:13]
pankkake old hw is power hungry [22:13]
asciilifeform looks like a microvax in there (mid-right) [22:14]
nubbins` probably using incandescent bulbs too, the bastards [22:14]
mircea_popescu i use incandescents. [22:14]
nubbins` well, CFLs are full of mercury and don't work in dimmers [22:15]
asciilifeform their ventilation probably eats more kW/hr. than these machines. [22:15]
nubbins` too bad they'll soon be -- no joke -- ILLEGAL here [22:15]
nubbins` you occasionally see people at the hardware store with a shopping cart full of incandescent bulbs [22:16]
asciilifeform nubbins`: there are persistent rumours of people buying crates of classical lights to speculate in, when the black market comes. [22:16]
nubbins` well, the issue i have is that my home requires heating nine months out of the goddamn year. [22:16]
mircea_popescu check me out in #openbsd lol [22:16]
mircea_popescu so far we're at **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 19 22:13:01 2014 [22:17]
mircea_popescu Jan 19 22:13:01 * Now talking on #openbsd [22:17]
mircea_popescu Jan 19 22:14:04 soo, who has the authority to make a deal so I can cover the 20k shortfall ? [22:17]
mircea_popescu Jan 19 22:16:24 mircea_popescu: you need to contact Theo [22:17]
mircea_popescu Jan 19 22:16:32 how would i go about that ? [22:17]
nubbins` now, if i'm running electric heat in my home 9 months out of 12 [22:18]
nubbins` i should be allowed to use the most inefficient bulbs possible [22:18]
nubbins` doubly so if i've got an oil furnace. [22:19]
pankkake environmentalists don't understand that [22:19]
pankkake they probably want to ban inefficient heaters [22:19]
asciilifeform what, one might wonder, is an inefficient electric heater? [22:19]
pankkake exactly [22:19]
asciilifeform one that radiates too much in RF? [22:20]
nubbins` i wonder do they understand that domestically-produced incandescents shipped in corrugated cardboard makes more sense than chinese CFLs in plastic clamshells shipped across an ocean? [22:20]
nubbins` asciilifeform: a light bulb is an inefficient electric heater ;) [22:20]
kakobrekla its efficient heater [22:20]
asciilifeform the CFL thing is cynical bastards knowing exactly what they're doing, rather than mere ineptitude. [22:20]
kakobrekla inefficient light source. [22:20]
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kakobrekla im going led. [22:21]
nubbins` nah man, it wastes what, 10% energy producing light? [22:21]
nubbins` maybe the worst heater [22:21]
pankkake usually regulations like that come with requirements that allow only one manufacturer [22:21]
pankkake so it might not be chinese, it will be worse; overpriced crap [22:21]
kakobrekla its efficient heater compared to inefiicient light source [22:22]
nubbins` well i tell you, i busted three CFLs in my bedroom before realizing that they're not meant for dimmers. [22:22]
kakobrekla lol [22:22]
nubbins` almost started tearing out the wiring, decided to check the box [22:22]
nubbins` "...oh" [22:22]
pankkake some LEDs are good, but you have to hunt… [22:22]
kakobrekla mhm [22:23]
nubbins` i'll probably start moving to LED when the current bulbs start going [22:23]
asciilifeform i still have yet to see an led lamp that will evenly light a room without being the size of a small tv set. [22:23]
nubbins` well that's the other problem, the type of light [22:24]
nubbins` generally i find CFLs to be mercilessly cold [22:24]
nubbins` much too blue [22:24]
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asciilifeform white led is based on the same principle as the classic fluorescent tube ('phosphour', but with IR led instead of gas plasma for the excitation) [22:25]
asciilifeform so in principle you can get any colour you like [22:25]
asciilifeform just need the right rare earths [22:25]
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mircea_popescu curious if anyting comes of this. [22:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform> the CFL thing is cynical bastards knowing exactly what they're doing, rather than mere ineptitude. << verily. [22:26]
mircea_popescu "currently coal burning means x mercury released in atmosphere per hour. we take that x and split it : 40% goes to atmosphere, 60% goes to your own house. but we're only gonna talk ofg the 40%" [22:26]
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asciilifeform the luminosity/watt claims (transparently bogus, visit an electronics store) and the lifespan claims (chinese driver electronics in the lamp base)... [22:27]
pankkake I've had a lot of incandescents burn in less than 6 months. but it might have been the container's fault, too much heat [22:28]
mircea_popescu incidentally, the idea with led lighting is to go for spots i think [22:28]
asciilifeform on the other end of the spectrum... http://www.centennialbulb.org/ [22:28]
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asciilifeform ('underclocked' edison bulb) [22:28]
pankkake spots are great - I have really good lightning after proper orienting [22:29]
pankkake yeah, but underclocking is cheating [22:29]
asciilifeform anyone remember the bulbs they used to have in street lamps? the size of a man's head? [22:29]
asciilifeform betcha those would last decades at 100W [22:29]
asciilifeform the claims of 'bulb conspiracy' are not physically accurate, though [22:30]
asciilifeform as late as 40 yrs. ago, there was no way to economically regulate the current flowing through the filament [22:30]
asciilifeform except using the filament's own resistance [22:30]
asciilifeform (or that of other bulbs in series) [22:31]
asciilifeform but now you can use PWM, silicon rectifier. [22:31]
asciilifeform as in the dimmers commonly sold. (hence why they often buzz slightly.) [22:31]
mircea_popescu stil lin use here. [22:33]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the mega-incandescents? [22:33]
mircea_popescu yeah. [22:34]
mircea_popescu some haven't burned out/been broken in the more rural parts [22:34]
asciilifeform wonder if they're the same soviet caliber i saw! [22:34]
mircea_popescu so never got replaced [22:34]
asciilifeform 500W i think [22:34]
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asciilifeform funnily: in wash.dc, the late-19th c. light poles near the Capitol and Smithsonian (museaums) are sized for those mega-bulbs [22:35]
mircea_popescu sounds aobut right [22:35]
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asciilifeform but have piddling little CFLs in them for some years [22:35]
mircea_popescu (timisoara is teh first town in teh world to use electric lighting btw) [22:35]
asciilifeform many with the jagged wrecks instead of full CFLs - vandals [22:35]
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asciilifeform comically small for the fixtures [22:36]
asciilifeform 'hot dog in hallway' [22:36]
jurov wait when they put LEDs in [22:36]
asciilifeform no LEDs here, afaik [22:37]
jurov well, over there in austria/germany they use linear fluorescents for streetlights [22:37]
jurov such 1930s feel [22:37]
asciilifeform they have those here too, at fuel stations [22:38]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00084584 = 14.4639 BTC [-] [22:40]
nubbins` mostly sodium on the poles here [22:41]
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mircea_popescu ;;tslb [22:50]
gribble Time since last block: 27 minutes and 42 seconds [22:50]
mircea_popescu there's 3-4 blocks within ten minutes, then half hour off, then again [22:51]
mircea_popescu da fuck is this bs. [22:51]
asciilifeform new transformer at ft. meade, but fuse isn't to spec. blows every day. [22:53]
asciilifeform or: the mexicans left a lunch box in the cooling tower. so, jams. [22:53]
mircea_popescu i stil lcan't get over that quora byline [22:55]
mircea_popescu "the best source for knowledge", seriously ?! [22:55]
asciilifeform at least it isn't 'Google Knol' [22:56]
mircea_popescu just how ragingly uncultivated does one to be to be these days [22:57]
asciilifeform (ami the only one who automatically thought 'grassy knoll') [22:57]
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mircea_popescu hehe no [22:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00084584 = 7.6126 BTC [-] [22:57]
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mircea_popescu and again 3 blocks past 10 minutes [22:59]
mircea_popescu there's something very fucking weird at work here. [22:59]
pankkake yeah, statistics are weird [23:00]
mircea_popescu meanwhile, cheerleader auditions [23:00]
mircea_popescu http://noescapepublicnudity.tumblr.com/image/54594998334 [23:00]
ozbot Castle von Dorkenstein: No Escape Public Nudity: Photo [23:00]
pankkake tattoos are probably not allowed for cheearleaders [23:02]
mircea_popescu why so square ?! [23:03]
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nubbins` i think the shits came from that google knol over there [23:13]
nubbins` pankkake, then there would be no cheerleaders [23:14]
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mircea_popescu he's never seen a tramp stamp :D [23:27]
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punkman http://voices.yahoo.com/bitcoin-20-explained-colored-coins-vs-mastercoin-vs-12475857.html [23:40]
ozbot Bitcoin 2.0 Explained: Colored Coins Vs Mastercoin Vs Open Transactions Vs Protoshares - Yahoo Voice [23:40]
punkman "Perhaps you will even be able to trade a protoshares-backed currency on top of Mastercoin for BitMastercoins one day." [23:41]
pankkake so many CEOs [23:41]
kakobrekla inception was shit. [23:41]
punkman Open Transactions seems to do some useful things, but they want to become a startup now [23:44]
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Duffer1 startup of what? [23:47]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00294 = 0.197 BTC [+] [23:56]
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