Forum logs for 19 Dec 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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gribble	Current Blocks: 389126 \| Current Difficulty: 9.34486707963238E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 391103 \| Next Difficulty In: 1977 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 15 hours, 6 minutes, and 21 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: None \| Estimated Percent Change: None	[00:14]
*	trinque looks forward to the day he can fiddle around with the concept of hypertext on a gossipd	[00:27]
trinque	fuck this "oh the server is down" therefore I cannot access this information that was previously published by someone in my WoT	[00:27]
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mircea_popescu	enjoy the web. designed by idiots.	[01:02]
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BingoBoingo	What asciilifeform apparently misses in his corner of Murica https://i.sli.mg/gUPtot.jpg	[01:18]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NCEsjd )	[01:18]
BingoBoingo	scooty puff in the wild	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	so i ended up the happy owner of the best ice tray i have ever seen in my life. it's exceptionally well made plastic. for one thing, it's properly flexible. for the other, it's actually hygroscopic. for yet another, the separators are actually TALL enough you get proper cubes made. it is a wonder of perfection which literally fills my life with joy.	[01:35]
*	mircea_popescu can't remember the last time he has encountered a perfect product, but it wasn't this decade.	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	but the true wtf of it all ? it's chinese.	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	this is what "made in the usa" used to mean, 50 years ago.	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	no longer.	[01:35]
BingoBoingo	More keep popping up https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99	[01:45]
assbot	Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeJp6j )	[01:45]
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liquidassets	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1346625<	[03:27]
assbot	Logged on 18-12-2015 16:53:58; Birdman: These are interesting times to be alive, that is for sure. And i have a bezzle bag so if i do somehow keep my imediate freedoms through the crash of fiat and rise of sound money my mouth will be fed.	[03:27]
liquidassets	nvm let's think it through	[03:30]
liquidassets	I'm calling smart money has a significant % in cash	[03:31]
punkman	it's a Eulora item	[03:32]
liquidassets	I want to play..	[03:32]
BingoBoingo	http://it.slashdot.org/story/15/12/19/0048223/phantom-squad-hacking-group-claims-credit-for-three-hour-xbox-live-outage	[03:33]
assbot	Phantom Squad Hacking Group Claims Credit For Three-Hour Xbox Live Outage - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NuD5Fo )	[03:33]
punkman	"AND WE SHALL BE REMEMBERED BY OUR 3 HOUR DDOS"	[03:33]
liquidassets	20-30% maybe on $1million in assets	[03:33]
liquidassets	50% real estate, 20-30% bezzle	[03:34]
punkman	best to skip the real estate if you onlyt have a million	[03:35]
liquidassets	"crash of fiat" means what?	[03:35]
liquidassets	1million equity punkman	[03:35]
liquidassets	Crash of fiat, if you have an undergraduate in economics circa 2009, means hyperinflation	[03:36]
punkman	crawsh of fiat means zimbabwe	[03:36]
liquidassets	This is what they teach	[03:37]
liquidassets	however, we are not in the weimar republic <<(not checking spelling or source)	[03:37]
liquidassets	digital money, debt, and the war on cash aka 'the grunch of giants' has changed the game	[03:38]
liquidassets	The rules of money 'change' every 40-50 years	[03:38]
liquidassets	For about the last 20, the more debt you have, the better you're doing	[03:39]
liquidassets	rich people use debt to acquire assets	[03:39]
punkman	I quite like not being in debt	[03:40]
liquidassets	assets are defined strictly as something that puts money in your pocket every month	[03:40]
liquidassets	most people don't like debt punkman	[03:40]
liquidassets	but the rules of money are such that you will be forced out of position....until bitcoin	[03:40]
liquidassets	most people, and mexicans I work with, will buy a house with the little money they have, stack 9-12 members of extended families, and work their asses off to pay off a 30 year mortgage in less than 5	[03:42]
liquidassets	most people just want to be comfortable and not have to worry so much	[03:42]
liquidassets	My problem with the story of contemporary hyperinflation has always been my inability to find the mechanism	[03:45]
liquidassets	I mean, it would seem that 'they' got really really good and keeping inflation down, or hiding it in other ways	[03:45]
liquidassets	It's like 20s 20s 20s 20s everywhere a 20. Ok Maybe a 50....Oh well hold on, I can't really break 100	[03:46]
punkman	well yes, as long as the megatons money you print doesn't really circulate	[03:47]
liquidassets	right, as long as it's 'sanitized' to pull from MP	[03:47]
liquidassets	I'm not sure I made a point out of all of this	[03:48]
liquidassets	and its probably been said before, there's no real insight to it, but it's been swiming in my noodle for quite some time	[03:49]
punkman	your name is liquid assets and you want 50% in real estate?	[03:50]
liquidassets	I'm in real estate, so it's a little more liquid for me ;)	[03:50]
liquidassets	And anyway, it could be for other people. Give me a few million to work with and I'm going to put that shit to work	[03:52]
liquidassets	but seriously don't give me money, I"m not even close lawyer wise yet	[03:53]
liquidassets	not one decent lawyer I can rightfully put in my wot	[03:53]
liquidassets	In other news,, I haven't jerked off for 3 days, MP you got anything for me?	[03:57]
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BingoBoingo	liquidassets: https://i.imgur.com/av37kTT.jpg	[04:57]
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liquidassets	God what the hell is she?	[04:58]
punkman	is that a good wrist wrap?	[04:59]
liquidassets	all taped and talcked up	[05:00]
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liquidassets	kung foo grip	[05:02]
BingoBoingo	Can't rape her if she won't let you	[05:03]
liquidassets	I'd much rather her rape me	[05:04]
liquidassets	How tall you think she is? 5'10"?	[05:05]
BingoBoingo	No idea, watch she ends up being 4'9"	[05:05]
liquidassets	Her arms tho	[05:06]
BingoBoingo	Oh, she's 5'2" https://archive.is/WZNVW	[05:08]
assbot	Aly Raisman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1MmP8k0 )	[05:08]
liquidassets	really? wow very nice	[05:09]
liquidassets	I was hoping for more rape potential	[05:11]
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gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 463.69, vol: 8384.11943000 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 457.927, vol: 6082.05011 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 463.67, vol: 15744.1351917 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 450.0, vol: 11.44615614 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 474.636852, vol: 79431.05470000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 458.98001, vol: 90.79318023 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 458.5874, vol: 111.22856735 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[05:57]
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BingoBoingo	http://wspa.com/2015/07/29/mom-arrested-after-child-unresponsive-in-feces-covered-home/	[06:09]
assbot	Child Found Unresponsive in Feces Covered Home in Gray Court ... ( http://bit.ly/1MmTyHV )	[06:09]
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BingoBoingo	Correction, no country for old men after all: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/st-louis-man-who-shot-teen-charged-with-gun-crime/article_b9f3c5d9-75a7-54f5-ae96-5350d4acc58c.html	[06:13]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QzFbro )	[06:13]
punkman	http://static.squarespace.com/static/50231c92c4aa4cf8be9c49ee/t/50617509e4b0095aa0d4fcfc/1348564240025/4-1.jpg	[06:21]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MmUprV )	[06:21]
punkman	"Roberta Mancino is an Italian skydiver, BASE jumper, wingsuit flyer and international model. She has participated in more than 7,000 skydives and won several awards and world records. She has gone on four skydives while completely naked, and on five occasions her parachute did not open in mid-jump."	[06:23]
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BingoBoingo	Most upvoted thing I have seen on Reddit evar https://archive.is/d9m2n	[06:42]
assbot	[Theory] Jar Jar Binks was a trained Force user, knowing Sith collaborator, and will play a central role in The Force Awakens : reddit.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1QzHXgi )	[06:42]
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wywialm	hi, do you know anything about cjdns https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns/blob/master/doc/Whitepaper.md	[09:21]
assbot	cjdns/Whitepaper.md at master · cjdelisle/cjdns · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PcH1v3 )	[09:21]
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mircea_popescu	liquidassets> I want to play.. << so wgat;s keepin you ?	[09:33]
punkman	wywialm: I looked at it recently, the code is not horrible, but I've yet to fully grasp the overall design of the thing	[09:34]
mircea_popescu	punkman> I quite like not being in debt << as usual, retail is for suckers. consumer debt's just about the dumbest proposition i ever heard. nevertheless, nrl isn't that bad.	[09:35]
punkman	nrl?	[09:35]
mircea_popescu	(this isn't, as the retail bankers got the retail suckers to think, a case of "you can't takle anything other than my house".	[09:35]
mircea_popescu	more practically, most business ventures are financed by a convertible note.	[09:35]
mircea_popescu	this is the quintessential non recourse debt : x (company) owes to y, and all y can do if it's not happy with the repayment schedule is take some equity stake in x.	[09:36]
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wywialm	punkman, if you find out more, please let me know	[09:38]
PeterL	"30. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you’ll go."	[09:39]
mircea_popescu	lol wikipedia "Thus, non-recourse debt is typically limited to 50% or 60% loan-to-value ratios,"	[09:39]
mircea_popescu	"we're a large collection of people who understand nothing of anything and here's what we think the world is". such an unique value proposition.	[09:39]
mircea_popescu	!s cjdns	[09:39]
assbot	17 results for 'cjdns' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cjdns	[09:39]
mircea_popescu	wywialm ^	[09:39]
wywialm	ah, yes, thanks	[09:40]
PeterL	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-12-2015#1345012 << I had those in one of my appartments in Lansing, they are nice because efficient and quiet, but not compatible with central air so the newer places don't have them	[09:40]
assbot	Logged on 16-12-2015 22:49:14; pete_dushenski: ascii_field: http://p-fst1.pixstatic.com/506a33a6d9127e30fc001273._w.540_s.fit_.jpg << what i had in mind as 'covered' radiator	[09:40]
PeterL	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347041 << what do you mean it is hygroscopic?	[09:43]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 04:32:25; mircea_popescu: so i ended up the happy owner of the best ice tray i have ever seen in my life. it's exceptionally well made plastic. for one thing, it's properly flexible. for the other, it's actually hygroscopic. for yet another, the separators are actually TALL enough you get proper cubes made. it is a wonder of perfection which literally fills my life with joy.	[09:43]
mircea_popescu	fun fact : if your debtor disposes of a retail (ie, faux) non-recourse loan and you live in the us/other such shitholes, the government WILL WANT TO TAX the ammount lost. because you made a theoretical gain.	[09:43]
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mircea_popescu	suppose you buy a house, take a 100k loan from the bank on the understanding that if you don't pay they can have the house and that's it. suppose the market goes to shit, and you walk. suppose the bank takes your house and sells it for 60k.	[09:44]
mircea_popescu	irs is gonna claim you "realised 40k income"	[09:44]
PeterL	^ I short-sold a house a few years ago, was lucky enough to fall in the time frame USgov was doing a special "excluding mortgage losses from taxes" stint	[09:45]
PeterL	otherwise would have owed taxes on 50k "income"	[09:45]
punkman	lol	[09:45]
mircea_popescu	aha	[09:45]
PeterL	stupid real estate market crash mutter mutter bleh	[09:47]
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mircea_popescu	mno. stupid government.	[09:48]
PeterL	well, yeah, stupid real estate bubble caused by stupid government	[09:48]
mircea_popescu	that's the problem with that shit, it's so fucking sticky. or if you prefer less scatological terms, so well managed. it's an outrage, they know it's an outrage, but they also know people are lazy and how do you protect your outrage ?	[09:48]
mircea_popescu	you "suspend" it, arbitrarily, whenever it looks like it's enough to cause a riot, maybe.	[09:49]
mircea_popescu	that way, you can have it at all other times.	[09:49]
mircea_popescu	because hey, people are basically water - as long as you put the work in to make dykes while it rains, you can have an artificial lake np.	[09:49]
PeterL	i'm confused by your analogy, how does watery people relate to the current topic?	[09:50]
mircea_popescu	water is dumb. it has a very simple action cycle : does movement result in lower center of gravity ? if yes go if not stay.	[09:51]
mircea_popescu	same shit with ustard : does burning down the govt result in immediate payoff ? no ? well... what's on tv ?	[09:51]
mircea_popescu	all you gotta to is arbitrarily (which, in the theoretical paradigm you claim to operate under would be - illegally!) suspend whatever laws whenever things get to a boiling point	[09:52]
PeterL	most just go straight to the tv, "I'll think about burning stuff after I watch my shows and surf facebook for a while"	[09:52]
mircea_popescu	well so that's the analogy. from a management pov all you care about is the water level.	[09:52]
PeterL	http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/2015/12/glycerol-free-strategy-sweetens-biodiesel-synthesis << interesting development	[10:14]
assbot	Glycerol-free strategy sweetens biodiesel synthesis \| Chemistry World ... ( http://bit.ly/1NuZrXl )	[10:14]
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PeterL	good morning pete	[10:25]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347041 << we must have the same ice cube tray because i go ga-ga for its elegant design every time i use it. been meaning to do a blog post on it aamof	[10:26]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 04:32:25; mircea_popescu: so i ended up the happy owner of the best ice tray i have ever seen in my life. it's exceptionally well made plastic. for one thing, it's properly flexible. for the other, it's actually hygroscopic. for yet another, the separators are actually TALL enough you get proper cubes made. it is a wonder of perfection which literally fills my life with joy.	[10:26]
pete_dushenski	mornin PeterL	[10:26]
PeterL	I don't understand how the plastic is hygroscopic?	[10:27]
PeterL	mircea_popescu: did you mean hydrophobic?	[10:28]
pete_dushenski	"The government in the Netherlands has clarified that it is legal for driving instructors to offer lessons in return for sex, as long as the students are over the age of 18. However, it is illegal to offer sex in return for lessons." << hahaha so man may proposition fillie but not vice versa eh. man i like those dutch.	[10:44]
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pete_dushenski	50 !	[10:46]
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mircea_popescu	peterl yeah i did.	[14:11]
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liquidassets	Pete, you're like a hero to me, please don't make me call you a punk again.	[14:14]
asciilifeform	!s gettrust liquidassets	[14:14]
assbot	7 results for 'gettrust liquidassets' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gettrust+liquidassets	[14:14]
asciilifeform	!gettrust liquidassets	[14:14]
assbot	Trust relationship from user asciilifeform to user liquidassets: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=asciilifeform&to=liquidassets \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/liquidassets/	[14:14]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347131 << it's sorta like a mildly braindamaged gossipd	[14:15]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 12:18:53; wywialm: hi, do you know anything about cjdns https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns/blob/master/doc/Whitepaper.md	[14:15]
asciilifeform	barfaliciously complicated protocol and uses ecc crypto	[14:15]
asciilifeform	i.e. quite like a gossipd designed at ft meade for chumpatronic purposes	[14:16]
asciilifeform	'Cjdns addresses are the first 16 bytes (128 bits) of the double SHA-512 of the public key.'	[14:18]
asciilifeform	http://www.fc00.org << map of cjdns net. imho the fact that it is possible to draw this map is a serious flaw.	[14:21]
assbot	fc00::/8 – Mapping Hyperboria ... ( http://bit.ly/1OCF6gF )	[14:21]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347154 << folks in usaschwitz have been driven into penury by... winning a car in a lotto. (taxable!!11)	[14:22]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 12:41:39; mircea_popescu: irs is gonna claim you "realised 40k income"	[14:22]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347163 << 'white' house-buyin' sort of folk don't riot. period.	[14:24]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 12:46:18; mircea_popescu: you "suspend" it, arbitrarily, whenever it looks like it's enough to cause a riot, maybe.	[14:24]
asciilifeform	usg can do pretty much whatever it wants, to them.	[14:24]
asciilifeform	(and to everybody else, but to them, ~cheaply~)	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	everyone else my foot.	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	leaving aside the putins and chinese bureaucrats of this world... so far is having a lot of trouble doing anything worth the mention to a large mass of towelheads.	[14:25]
asciilifeform	the towelheads are usg contractors in good standing.	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	mno.	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	i dunno why you keep repeating this fantasy lol. not like it's going to get rejected 500 times and then accepted on the 501st pass ?	[14:26]
mircea_popescu	it IS getting tedious, but it isn't getting any closer to acceptance.	[14:26]
asciilifeform	because as far as i can see from my periscope, the towelheads are as necessary for usg as air ?	[14:26]
mircea_popescu	these two aren't even related, notwithstanding they're not in any sense true.	[14:27]
asciilifeform	;;later tell mod6 does yours (or anybody else's) 'v' verify the hashes ?	[14:27]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347180 << this is also how 'decriminalization' for dope works	[14:28]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 13:42:01; pete_dushenski: "The government in the Netherlands has clarified that it is legal for driving instructors to offer lessons in return for sex, as long as the students are over the age of 18. However, it is illegal to offer sex in return for lessons." << hahaha so man may proposition fillie but not vice versa eh. man i like those dutch.	[14:28]
asciilifeform	buy? walk. sell? jail	[14:29]
ben_vulpes	!up renart	[14:29]
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liquidassets	come up to the surface alf	[14:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83750 @ 0.00049933 = 41.8189 BTC [+]	[14:30]
liquidassets	towlheads are a thing in and of itself	[14:30]
renart	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2015#1346885 << despite how much you want cheap fuel for your bombast engine, this was never the case.	[14:30]
assbot	Logged on 18-12-2015 22:13:12; pete_dushenski: i thought ben_vulpes was all 'auto-auto-mobiles are the footoor because bayes'	[14:30]
liquidassets	provocation seems to be a going strategy abroad and homeland for awhile now	[14:31]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347209 << 4th reich now owns moar europe than 3rd did	[14:32]
renart	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347303 << some guy who showed up, got into some faux drama with some friend of dpb's, is now working furiously towards some end or other	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	assbot ? tell me what these people are on about ?	[14:33]
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mircea_popescu	i am lost without assbot!	[14:33]
renart	the maximum number of operational systems continues to decrease	[14:34]
asciilifeform	is renart ben_vulpes's 'ascii_field' or wat	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	so he sez.	[14:34]
liquidassets	renart trilema.com/causes-and-purposes	[14:34]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 14:23:47; pete_dushenski: https://archive.is/VdFt3 << or the impotence of the economist's paywall.	[14:35]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 17:11:48; asciilifeform: !s gettrust liquidassets	[14:35]
liquidassets	I think their 'friendship' is tenuous but whatevs	[14:35]
trinque	assbutt awakens!	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you seriously are quoting the fucking economist ?	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	here's the headline from pravda : the us was buried in 1975.	[14:36]
asciilifeform	hey i only looked at the map	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	hurr durr.	[14:36]
*	asciilifeform could not actually bring himself to read the thing, only saw 'map of nato'	[14:36]
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renart	yes, liquidassets, that is the reference i'm making!	[14:37]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: funnily, pravda was almost correct. dead around '75. but not buried...	[14:37]
renart	good job	[14:37]
liquidassets	to what end is your reference?	[14:37]
asciilifeform	zombie-rampages to this very day	[14:37]
*	mircea_popescu looking forward to the nato response ot the wave of 50mn turkish refugees once that thing blows up.	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	such great.	[14:37]
renart	"he's working towards a purpose, guys!"	[14:37]
renart	it's a joke, y'see.	[14:37]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: will there be bashi-bazouks? beheading contests? headless footraces ?	[14:37]
renart	in the variety speak.	[14:37]
trinque	then he says "to what end"	[14:37]
*	trinque roars with laughter	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	renart trinque translate the joke to an old man ? i'm like... not following.	[14:38]
asciilifeform	and can anybody recall where i got the notion that ottomans had headless races? (two prisoners run past swordsmen, heads chopped, hot iron 'thumb tacks' inserted in stumps, bodies keep running)	[14:38]
liquidassets	it's a joke;; Chill https://medium.com/matter/against-chill-930dfb60a577#.ouuz03k73	[14:39]
assbot	Against Chill — Matter — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1OCGxvi )	[14:39]
*	trinque chuckles at liquidassets linking causes-and-purposes and then saying "to what end"	[14:39]
renart	mircea_popescu: aw man then it won't be funny	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	", I had no idea that I’d end the day going from casually dating six men to formally and intentionally dating zero."	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	uh... k. i have no idea.	[14:39]
liquidassets	To what end is HIS reference? no parse?	[14:39]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347239 << as per the old jewish saying, 'much better to be rich and healthy than poor and infirm'	[14:40]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 16:17:15; PeterL: Now I would want to get a house with a large down-payment, pay it off quickly, then not have to worry about a monthly rent payment	[14:40]
liquidassets	Couple punks in here	[14:40]
renart	so i say that he's working towards purposes and not from causes...	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	who ?	[14:41]
liquidassets	yea who?	[14:41]
renart	liquidassets,	[14:41]
liquidassets	um no	[14:41]
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mircea_popescu	i had no idea he was working. seemd just gabbing away to me.	[14:42]
liquidassets	Exactly we should all just Chill	[14:42]
renart	well there we differ in opinion	[14:42]
asciilifeform	!rate liquidassets -1 low snr	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	you don't understand how the internet works foxperson. minutia is all it's got.	[14:42]
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liquidassets	Is that some sort of censure?	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	liquidassets he has a point, incidentally. it's not a social club per se. it's a social club for powerful rich people that do things.	[14:42]
asciilifeform	!v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.liquidassets.-1:3f81c87907aee015472edeb796422e71b5edbcae1183b0f781dc346441fe0fe7	[14:43]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of -1 for liquidassets with note: low snr	[14:43]
liquidassets	so basically shut up?	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	unless you're doing something, yeah.	[14:43]
liquidassets	go back to lurk?	[14:43]
liquidassets	;;search site:trilema.com #bitcoin-assets rules	[14:44]
renart	it's bitcoin-rpg, try it and see!	[14:44]
gribble	(search ) -- Searches for in the current configuration variables.	[14:44]
liquidassets	Whatevrr Boss	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347232 <<< meanwhile derpass argentines live in a lala-land where "departamentos" ie, 500 sqft condos "are worth" 100k+. dollars, not pesos.	[14:47]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 16:02:21; PeterL: liquidassets: I owed about 110k on the mortgage, house sold for about 35k. So I guess it was more like 75k "income" that was "forgiven" by USG for taxes.	[14:47]
adlai	liquidassets: good noise cancellation doesn't boost white noise once human speech cuts off	[14:47]
mircea_popescu	then i tell them about how if i wanted to buy real estate i'd buy a ranch in montana for the same money, they go all incredulous. because yeah they do nothing but watch us exports on the tube all day, but they don't have either the unlazy intensity to try and get complete data or the mental acuity to understand how that's done.	[14:48]
liquidassets	don't get it adlai sorry	[14:49]
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liquidassets	renarts a bitch	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347236 << the advantages of renting are mutually incompatible with the disadvantages of having kids. so...	[14:50]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 16:09:46; PeterL: There are advantages to renting, like moving is alot easier.	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	if i was going to raise a litter i'd definitely buy. now it's true that if i did i'd buy in kandahar, and i would never even consider it with a single woman, but i guess these'd be details. fact remains if you're going to kids you're much better off with ownership.	[14:51]
renart	and why is that, mircea_popescu?	[14:52]
mircea_popescu	why is what.	[14:52]
renart	why is the fact that owning is so much better with kids?	[14:52]
mircea_popescu	not what was said. "the advantages of renting are mutually incompatible with the disadvantages of having kids."	[14:53]
renart	aha	[14:53]
*	renart coffee	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	kids are the exact bane of flexibility. this needs no discussion, does it ?	[14:53]
renart	none, no.	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	"i got this here aileron, just like the f1 ferrarris use. on my ford truck. because sometimes five ton ford trucks take off the road under their own speed."	[14:54]
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Jezzz	joesmoe JPT Jrum julmae jurov justanotheruser	[15:05]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347414 << in kandahar the house is actually yours because your 'deed' consists of 14 sons each with kalash.	[15:12]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 17:49:00; mircea_popescu: if i was going to raise a litter i'd definitely buy. now it's true that if i did i'd buy in kandahar, and i would never even consider it with a single woman, but i guess these'd be details. fact remains if you're going to kids you're much better off with ownership.	[15:12]
asciilifeform	in usa - not so much.	[15:12]
asciilifeform	(where a kid is just a 100-400k liability on your books, sorta like getting run over by a bus and not quite dying)	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[15:14]
liquidassets	!rate asciilifeform 5 All signal needs amplitude	[15:15]
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mircea_popescu	in fairness, if you're going to raise kids correctly in the states, the govt pays for most of it.	[15:15]
asciilifeform	gotta paint yerself black 1st	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	the results are about what you'd expect out of a process designed, managed and paid for by a government, but hey.	[15:16]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform obviously you'd only consider black women for marriage. what can you do.	[15:16]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: marriage?! if you marry'em they qualify for 0 dole	[15:16]
asciilifeform	this is basic.	[15:16]
asciilifeform	see also the brooklyn hassids who successfully adopted this racket	[15:17]
asciilifeform	(they don't register their marriages with usg, qualify as 'single mother' cases)	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	"marriage". it's a flexible institution. seems the correct implementation of ghetto-marriage (as opposed to the middle class white same sex marriage thing they do - yes it's always two women) is where you keep 2-5 bitchez and professionally are either a thief or a drug dealer.	[15:17]
asciilifeform	aha this	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	thief being the more skilled version.	[15:17]
asciilifeform	in that sense yes.	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	should get a coupla dozen urchins during a decade to pick from.	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	and if you can't pick a coupla decent ones from a coupla dozen, your women picking skills suck.	[15:19]
asciilifeform	pick from for what ?	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	same exact thing we're doing here.	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	to teach them how to steal and how to pick bitchez, i guess.	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	but really, to have a little ghetto-ba with.	[15:19]
asciilifeform	afaik these folks have very loose ties with their offspring	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	(the word in that v-speak is "keep it real")	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	not that clear-cut.	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	for one thing, men are supposed to have loose ties with their offspring in the first place.	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347241 << the thing scammers never tell the scamee is that investing is a professional activity. no fucking exceptions.	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	none.	[15:22]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 16:19:23; PeterL: would have worked if housing prices hadn't dropped 75% where I lived	[15:22]
asciilifeform	other thing re: 'buy vs rent' - i learned that u.s. folk typically 'buy' for two reasons - 1) massive tax subsidy for mortgageism; 2) - interestingly - the extreme scarcity of rental ~house~ as a thing	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347257 << why not having "your bitchez" working harder than you ? easier to get women to work for you than to get money to work for you.	[15:24]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 16:30:11; PeterL: my 'goal' is not just to be debt free, but to have my money working harder than me	[15:24]
asciilifeform	(i suppose i oughta include a '3' - being cattle - but i was describing thinking people, which is who i associate with)	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the rental situation is pretty much idiotic anywhere outside europe.	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	which is weird, because the transportation situation idem	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	and the utilities situation, idem x2.	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	kinda weird how it works.	[15:25]
asciilifeform	density thing?	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	history, density, [up until recently] cultural variety, take your pick.	[15:26]
asciilifeform	the parts of usa habitable on, e.g., engineer's, wage, are rather low-density vs eu	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	but from experience, what passes for 'normal' furnishings (all new appliances, genuine leather upholstery, etc) in ro is "luxury" if even awailable in massachussetts.	[15:27]
asciilifeform	furniture-included is considered an oddity here	[15:28]
asciilifeform	and much more so for a free-standing house	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	the notion you'd rent bare walls is so bizarre. is this a 10 year leasing agreement or something ?	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	why am i taking possession of industrial machinery by the month.	[15:28]
asciilifeform	(it is not unheard-of in 'student' communal flats, those typically come with furniture, as a dorm room does)	[15:28]
ben_vulpes	victory of the rentiers.	[15:29]
asciilifeform	i can only speak for self, but i don't WANT to use some landlord's cheapo pressboard standard soviet furniture	[15:29]
asciilifeform	for anything	[15:30]
asciilifeform	if my pad had come with any, i'd have to find a place to safely stow it, or swallow the cost of dumping it	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	well, if you're poor why wouldn't you ?	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	and if you aren't poor why are you renting in the poor section ?	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	to be next to all the famished bitchez ? mkay, then you'll live with the ikeas.	[15:30]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: see naggum's 4-ring binders.	[15:31]
asciilifeform	folks buy/rent 'the army you have, not the army you wish you had'	[15:31]
*	mircea_popescu is a firm believer in "scream at the market until it alligns. and if it doesn't, burn it down."	[15:31]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu doesn't even use markets, he has oil well in his living room	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	i suppose THAT is what the occasional derp means by sociopath.	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform baby oil ?	[15:32]
asciilifeform	how would i know, l0l	[15:32]
asciilifeform	perhaps extracted from baby	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	ahh my pun!	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	protip : baby oil is what makes the bitches slick.	[15:33]
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asciilifeform	kakobrekla et al: bucephalus is down and will be until i can get to the cabinet and see wtf	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	loller.	[15:46]
asciilifeform	it went silent after a scheduled reboot.	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	17:32:44 renart: the maximum number of operational systems continues to decrease	[15:48]
*	asciilifeform wonders what will be next after we get reasonably gnomeproof machinery	[15:49]
*	asciilifeform suspects that gnomes will have to resort to reducing the number of operational... people	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	yeah. to be established, on which side.	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	god damned it. /me says to woman, "just set the soup on a low fire, i'll serve myself", promptly forgets about the entire thing. soup boils patiently for 40 minutes.	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	i tell ye.... comfort is the enemy of competence.	[15:57]
asciilifeform	http://dpaste.com/3ZF8RVK << from the dept of l0lz	[15:57]
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asciilifeform	hm	[16:03]
asciilifeform	dont tell me these were all 1 box1!111	[16:04]
asciilifeform	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=940941.0 << what was this ?	[16:09]
assbot	A summary of the logs ... ( http://bit.ly/1NDH8wX )	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform apparently some guy trying to inform the tardstalk ?	[16:12]
asciilifeform	evidently	[16:12]
asciilifeform	looks like he put in some good sweat. briefly.	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	that could be the story of the united states.	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	"hey... these guys put in some good sweat! briefly...."	[16:13]
asciilifeform	story of every living thing.	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	"But Chill is not the opposite of uptight. It is the opposite of demanding accountability. Chill is a sinister refashioning of “Calm down!” from an enraging and highly gendered command into an admirable attitude. Chill suggests that young love is best expressed as competitive ambivalence. Chill demands that you see a Read receipt followed by a “Hey, was asleep” text three hours later and not proceed to throw yo	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	ur phone into the nearest volcano. Chill asks you to be like, “LOL, what volcano?” Chill presides over the funeral of reasonable expectations. Chill takes and never gives. Chill is pathologically unfeeling but not even interesting enough to kill anyone. Chill is a garbage virtue that will destroy the species. Fuck Chill."	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	ahaha check out chick angry at like things and stuff.	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	DENAMDINK ACUNTABILITITS!!!	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	that's where she's got the idea for accountability. obama's doin' aite, i guess. it's the schmuck sort-of dating her that needs more of the gel.	[16:14]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu has clearly never been a peon	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	" I don’t think that it is so much to ask that I be considered a thing — at least some kind of thing — if I am engaging in emotional or sexual intimacy with someone."	[16:15]
asciilifeform	'accountability' for obamitler sounds rather like accountability for a thunderstorm	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	it's funny how this shit works - all teh victorious 4-th shitwave feminism somehow left actual females on the ground with a thicker implement with more barbs on it up their ass.	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	"I routinely happen upon men who are perplexed when I eventually declare that I want to know where we stand. Indecision is not a noble virtue."	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	"here's where we stand : until and unless you burn down the entire politico-juridistical establishment of the entire faux-free world, i ain't signing any paper with you."	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	seems entirely reasonable, after a fashion.	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	My feelings, and the feelings of many people I know, are more hurt by the prolonged waiting for a concrete answer while we sit quietly with our feigned Chill. It is as if I’ve broken some unwritten law when I ask what they are looking for and am dissatisfied with the answer “I don’t really like to put labels on things.” But putting labels on things are how people find the exit during a fire and make sure they	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	’re adding vanilla extract to the cake instead of arsenic.	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	o look at that, NOW the labels on things are a good thing ?	[16:18]
asciilifeform	y'know, if men were bees, ready to sting and die for the motherland any time, we would not be in any of the shit.	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	fuck me... who came up with this entire "labels on things" bullshit ? and what did you think it was going to do ?	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	you can't fight power. you can think you do. and then fail and wonder where you went wrong.	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	here's where you went wrong : power is power. you're you. figure it out already.	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform bees are technically social media journalists. vestigially female, overweight, buzzing around for the buzz.	[16:19]
asciilifeform	aha but bee has no problem with 'go shoot a cop'	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	does, actually.	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	has no problem with "go shoot an alien". which...	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	the "go shoot a cop" strategy would be where bee activates her ovaries, other bees kill her offspring, she kills [one of] those other bees.	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	this is pointedly not happening. because they're bees.	[16:20]
asciilifeform	ah in that sense yea	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	anyway, lulzy read for me. "what do you mean coming up with this complex theoretico-fantastico-nonsensical echaufadage did EXACTLY NOTHING ?!?!?!?!? but i thought thoughts alter reality! we rose the awareness to lilac levels!"	[16:22]
asciilifeform	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fg0jw/could_a_cartel_of_pool_operators_collude_to/ctoavfi << from deep in the l0lminez	[16:22]
assbot	luke-jr comments on Could a cartel of pool operators collude to 51%-attack the blockchain and/or change the protocol? ... ( http://bit.ly/1NDI98l )	[16:22]
*	asciilifeform somehow missed this	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	"I can even get it up to 2 or 3 block confirmation before the real network overtakes it with a longer chain. This is a risk accepted as a tradeoff by SPV clients, but not acceptable for full node clients which are expected to be secure on their own."	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	derp ? how is "secure on its own" work when you're not actually looking at confirms ? nonsense alreadyt.	[16:24]
asciilifeform	interesting fella. very persistent in his multi-year braindamage; what moves him? usg kidnapped his dog? mining pool ?	[16:25]
asciilifeform	incidentally, the latter habitually connects via ~my~ trb nodez	[16:25]
asciilifeform	so does he practice what he preaches ?	[16:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126100 @ 0.0005005 = 63.1131 BTC [+] {3}	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	he has an excess of will and a shortage of intelligence.	[16:26]
asciilifeform	shouldn't he be off shooting a sheriff somewhere, then ?	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	the fate of such folk, especially when unparented, is fundamentally speaking the	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	what was that group of idiots that died of hunger/ate each other in nevada ?	[16:27]
asciilifeform	can't recall such	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	donner party.	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform nice paste, for it includes the fee schedule huh.,	[16:31]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347340 << 4th has the advantage of time.	[16:35]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 17:32:44; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347209 << 4th reich now owns moar europe than 3rd did	[16:35]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347302 << classic.	[16:36]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 17:11:24; liquidassets: Pete, you're like a hero to me, please don't make me call you a punk again.	[16:36]
pete_dushenski	ima contravexbash this	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	"We exposed ourselves to a huge single point of failure called Facebook. I’ve ranted for years about how bad an idea it is for startups to be mobile-carrier dependent. In retrospect, there is no difference between Verizon Wireless and Facebook in this context."	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[16:41]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347332 << not quite the same. for weed, sellers just have to be 'licensed' ; whereas with drivers ed, sounds like dutch are putting the teacher in control and letting him separate the lemma from the palea so that he's not forced to bang mayo-gendered just because girl can't pay any other way	[16:41]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 17:26:13; asciilifeform: buy? walk. sell? jail	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	anyone wanna bet that this schmuck is using gmail ?	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	"oh... there's no difference between that velociraptor that ate my arm, and that other velociraptor that ate my arm. wanna come play with my velociraptor ? no ? what do you mean no!"	[16:42]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: complicated. i have a human (non-gmail) mailbox that can't use mircea_popescu's algorithm (has to be able to receive from strangers) and it costs me perhaps 20min/day of manual spam filtration	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	"We could have and should have used the proceeds of the convertible note to get out from under Facebook’s thumb rather to invest further in the Facebook Platform."	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform right.	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	nobody said the life on the farm ain't easier, prikoke.	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	i was under the impression something else's discussed there.	[16:43]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'Тяжело в деревне без нагана. И с наганом - тоже тяжело.' (tm) (r)	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[16:44]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347347 << ben_v_on_a_rocket would be better. not a fan of 'renart' fwiw.	[16:44]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 17:32:44; asciilifeform: is renart ben_vulpes's 'ascii_field' or wat	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	nagana huh ?	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	"my nagant nagana's better than your koichi katana!"	[16:45]
asciilifeform	l0l	[16:45]
asciilifeform	in same vein, 'Лучше старенький ТТ, чем дзюдо и карате.'	[16:46]
asciilifeform	socket no message in first 60 seconds, 0 1 ahahahahahaha	[16:47]
asciilifeform	this is getting old	[16:47]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347371 << don't recall this from barber's 'the sultans', so that's out.	[16:47]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 17:35:45; asciilifeform: and can anybody recall where i got the notion that ottomans had headless races? (two prisoners run past swordsmen, heads chopped, hot iron 'thumb tacks' inserted in stumps, bodies keep running)	[16:47]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: certainly not from there	[16:48]
pete_dushenski	the level of graphicness of that depiction makes me think it wasn't even in engligh	[16:48]
pete_dushenski	english*	[16:48]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347412 << to the extent that the disadvantage of having kids is inflexibility and increased desire for a fixed locality, and that the advantage of renting is the ability to bounce from place to place with relatively low friction, then yes. but the other advantages of renting, namely financial (repair costs, downside of housing market, unproductive use of large amou	[16:53]
pete_dushenski	nt of capital), are retained regardless of the presence or absence of children	[16:53]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 17:47:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347236 << the advantages of renting are mutually incompatible with the disadvantages of having kids. so...	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski most rentals specify no pets.	[16:54]
pete_dushenski	there's also nothing stopping tenants and landlords to signing 5-year leases	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	you ain't getting the landlord to do your repairs.	[16:54]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if you're in an above-board deal, law in all 50 states demands: landlord - pays for repair.	[16:54]
asciilifeform	getting it to actually happen - another matter	[16:55]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: most rental apartments specify no pets because it's a whole building policy	[16:55]
asciilifeform	also most small-time (vs mega-tower) landlords will accept pet if you pay a bond	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not so simple as all that, not really. what, you leave water running each week, landlord fixes ?	[16:55]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-12-2015#1338673 << washing machine counts as 'repair', no ?	[16:56]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 23:34:54; mircea_popescu: and if you want actual numbers, i just got a coupla girlies an apt. the sale value would have been i guess 160-170k or so. the monthly rent is 750. the first month, the washing machine went, and the owner replaced it. the next month, ac went (brother was that an incredible pos job wow), owner replaced it. so far owner's been making 0 from his property.	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski most of your "repairs" expenses when you have kids are sadly not of this kind.	[16:56]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: landlord per se is not even always involved: everything is b/w tenant and insurance co.	[16:56]
pete_dushenski	sadly indeed.	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform insurance co does not give you new matressess because kid pissed it ; nor new shoes because dog chewed them.	[16:57]
*	pete_dushenski not looking forward to 'other repairs'	[16:57]
asciilifeform	these are not repairs in the sane sense	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	you don;'t have children.	[16:57]
asciilifeform	have nothing to do with the leased property	[16:57]
asciilifeform	american flats don't come with mattresses omfg	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	point remains.	[16:57]
pete_dushenski	and new mattresses and shoes will be required regardless of rent or own	[16:57]
pete_dushenski	american flats don't come with mattresses omfg << even if they did, no one would use them.	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform dude, seriously, the only time i rented in that part of the world, place came with complete everything. boxsprings.	[16:58]
asciilifeform	that is called a hotel where i live	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	maybe i should dig out / give you comp details or something ?!	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	loft apt hotel ? rented by the year ?!	[16:58]
asciilifeform	over here it is called 'extended stay hotel' and is much as mircea_popescu describes.	[16:58]
pete_dushenski	mattress industry is everywhere present because it has huge margins and everyone wants a better night's sleep, which also means foregoing someone else's bed bugs	[16:59]
asciilifeform	used by business travellers	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	twas a rental.	[16:59]
asciilifeform	but in all seriousness, i've seen ads for rentals-cum-furniture	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski now you're thinking airbnb	[17:00]
asciilifeform	incidentally, a find:	[17:07]
asciilifeform	a trb node in the 'blackhole' state is also extremely slow to respond to local api reqs	[17:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15334 @ 0.00050194 = 7.6967 BTC [+] {2}	[17:07]
ben_vulpes	a trb node doing much of anything at all is pretty slow to respond to local api requests.	[17:09]
asciilifeform	mno.	[17:09]
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ben_vulpes	other than listening for new blocks in steady state in my experience.	[17:09]
asciilifeform	when processing tx, it responds	[17:10]
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asciilifeform	because these do not take massive nonpreemptible block of time.	[17:10]
asciilifeform	this is a consequence of the idiot cooperative-multitask model used.	[17:10]
asciilifeform	(where sockets are walked in order and serviced one at a time)	[17:10]
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ben_vulpes	thanks, critical_section!	[17:11]
asciilifeform	so at this point i'm pretty certain where 'black hole' comes from.	[17:11]
asciilifeform	(also recall that the block verification dead-time happens ~at both ends~ of a connection)	[17:11]
ben_vulpes	and critical_block and friends.	[17:11]
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asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: aha	[17:12]
ben_vulpes	oh yes?	[17:12]
asciilifeform	think about it	[17:12]
asciilifeform	you connect to x, and at that time x swallows a block	[17:12]
asciilifeform	you hang.	[17:12]
ben_vulpes	well i'm yes? ing about the black hole.	[17:12]
ben_vulpes	oh this is an explanation for said?	[17:12]
asciilifeform	aha	[17:12]
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asciilifeform	and while you're hanging, everybody who was connected ~to you~ has a hanging socket	[17:13]
ben_vulpes	just to be sure i'm on the same page, this 'hang' eventually ends when the node completely processes the block?	[17:13]
asciilifeform	or when 'socket closed'	[17:14]
asciilifeform	(timeout)	[17:14]
ben_vulpes	mhm.	[17:14]
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ben_vulpes	well that's horrendous.	[17:14]
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TomServo	I'm unable to get a matching sha256sum on 0.5.4-TEST2 [x86-64] [Latest] at thebitcoin.foundation - could anyone confirm?	[17:28]
TomServo	I do get a match on 0.5.3 and 0.5.3.1, perhaps I'm doing something wrong?	[17:28]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Will decline to confirm	[17:35]
BingoBoingo	classmate in college held "fundraiser" in college after game show tricked her into taking pink and green SUV instead of money	[17:36]
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BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347314	[18:06]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 17:19:18; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347154 << folks in usaschwitz have been driven into penury by... winning a car in a lotto. (taxable!!11)	[18:06]
BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347622 << "High end" furnished apartements advertising themselve as such exist. Frenquently offered as "executive" option by "big tower" apartment renters.	[18:17]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 19:56:10; asciilifeform: over here it is called 'extended stay hotel' and is much as mircea_popescu describes.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	and while you're hanging, everybody who was connected ~to you~ has a hanging socket << yeah it propagates holes.	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	hola TomServo	[18:24]
TomServo	ahoy mircea_popescu	[18:28]
BingoBoingo	I'm surprised no one on the Luke-Jr derpity herp herp reddit thread pointed out you are supposed to wait for 6 confirmations	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	they don't want that part of bitcoin anymore. it's "blockchain technologies" now as far as reddit is concered, with spv mining, 0tx fees and hopefully increasing block subsidies in the future.	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	in other news, "Tutorspree didn’t scale because we were single channel dependent and that channel shifted on us radically and suddenly. SEO was baked into our model from the start, and it became increasingly important to the business as we grew and evolved. In our early days, and during Y Combinator, we didn’t have money to spend on acquisition. SEO was free so we focused on it and got good at it.	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	That worked brilliantly for us. We acquired users for practically nothing by using the content and site structure generated as a byproduct of our tutor acquisition. However, that success was also a trap. It convinced us that there had to be another channel that would perform for us at the level of SEO.	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	In our first year, that conviction drove our experiments with a series of other channels: PPC, partnerships, deals, guerilla type tactics, targeted mailings, craigslist posting tools, etc. Each experiment produced results inferior to those from SEO. The acquisition costs through those channels were significantly higher than what was allowable based on our revenue per customers. We also found that potential customers co	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	ming through PPC were converted at a lower rate than those originating through SEO. Even as we sharpened our targeting, experimented with messaging, and sought advice and consulting from more experienced parties, we found that paid channels just weren’t good enough to merit real focus."	[18:29]
jurov	mod6 asciilifeform: the turd http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000186.html	[18:29]
assbot	[BTC-dev] Taming the mempool ... ( http://bit.ly/1NvyaEi )	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	but hey... "online advertising is an industree. because google "makes revenue" from it, which is to say some people recycle bezzle funds through there and everyone outside actually believes someone somewhere paid 5bn for ppc.	[18:30]
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shinohai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347672 <<< will try when I arrive home.	[18:35]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 21:26:52; jurov: mod6 asciilifeform: the turd http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000186.html	[18:35]
jurov	shinohai: first read it. there are atrocities like CBlockIndex[400000] buried there.	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	400000 should be enough for everyone.	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	"From the comfort of the backyard cabin we moved to big city San Francisco and faced the totally hopeless situation of finding a place to live. We survived the first two weeks by renting office space at Tradeshift and sleeping on their couches at night. Not sure if they ever found that out. Finally we managed to get a 9 m2/97 sqft room through our Y-Combinator network. Rent $1,250. Dang! But since we had free office sp	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	ace from our friends at OneLogin, our burnrate wasn’t yet gone through the roof. But close.."	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	ajhahahaha WHAT!	[18:38]
asciilifeform	jurov: pretty interesting, i'll say more after i actually read the thing	[18:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39900 @ 0.00050205 = 20.0318 BTC [+] {2}	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	http://fridriksson.tumblr.com/post/86584610871/a-startup-postmortem-with-a-happy-ending-in << perhaps a lulzy read for the forensic psychiatrist. what motivates some kids to live in a coffin for which they pay monthly the lifetime value of an average human being, while at the same time go all "We did the show and tell dance at Techcrunch Disrupt and DEMO. Networked at GigaOm RoadMap Con and YC Startup School. Got tons	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	of advice. Met people with amazing experience. We felt we were in the nexus of entrepreneurship and innovation. And we probably were. [...] It was like our feet never touched the ground." and no, i don't think it would be http://38.media.tumblr.com/74c80afbbf82765c41d7beec32221d2f/tumblr_inline_n60qz3Ti3Q1r0ojkh.jpg as everyone in that pic is distinctly uncomfortable with the bunny suit they gotta wear to cater to my	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	expectations of life and the world.	[18:42]
assbot	A startup postmortem with a happy ending? ..in... \| By the Beard of Zeus! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nvz17S )	[18:42]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[18:42]
jurov	while i was on it, 3 days vanished in blur	[18:42]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Nvz17U )	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	somehow this gargle thing works do. it does something. it drives the kids loco.	[18:42]
jurov	(note i'm not employed. these were full days. and still far from result)	[18:43]
jurov	it was scary	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	there's a reason nobody really touched the spaghetti monster in five years jurov and this'd be that reason.	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	sad state of affairs.	[18:44]
ben_vulpes	i've been there too, jurov	[18:44]
asciilifeform	jurov: i've been bashing my head against the thing pretty actively, on and off, for >1yr now. so you're doing pretty well.	[18:44]
ben_vulpes	i've almost forgotten how painful it is. i can tell because i'm itching to muntz further.	[18:45]
asciilifeform	'The next idea was,that heap is sprinkled with permanently allocated blocks data causing inability for malloc to release the memory back to the OS. I went to try and allocate these separately... and boy does that rabbit hole go deep...' << ty jurov, i was actually in the middle of doing this, and now i don't have to, l0l !!	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	98.x% of my contribution as far as fucking up my own tech dept goes to date has been variations of "STOP WITH THE DAMNED CODE" and such.	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	i am firmly convinced that you can lose an entire team of engineers in there, permanently.	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	gotta very carefully do raids and incursisions with a clear retreat plan.	[18:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00050212 = 11.0969 BTC [+] {3}	[18:47]
*	asciilifeform is plagued by the suspicion that we are trying to remove a 20kg metastatic tumour using.. acupuncture	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	this is not a sprint. it's not even a marathon. the most important thing, by a large margin, is plox don't kill yourselves fighting with it. if anyone goes "i'll tend to my ulcer once i sorted out THIS thing", that someone's going to be remembered as naggum 2.	[18:47]
asciilifeform	3.	[18:48]
jurov	heh	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	so work hygienically. diligence is good, hygiene is non-negotiable.	[18:48]
jurov	well. the nastiest smell i felt was from std::map, so i suggest to approach that one next.	[18:48]
asciilifeform	'The noise at 42 hour mark is zapmempool call, which shows it's still not really working.' << waitasec am i missing something ?	[18:49]
shinohai	Also asciilifeform ty for Programmable Version Strings patch	[18:49]
asciilifeform	i though the whole thing was about how jurov found a way to actually deallocate tx	[18:49]
jurov	they are deallocated. but malloc won't give it back to teh system	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	that didn't really work.	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[18:49]
ben_vulpes	this is a pile of work jurov, wd	[18:49]
asciilifeform	quite possibly the only way to actually make this go is a garbage collector ~with object relocation~	[18:50]
asciilifeform	which is a mega-backbreaker	[18:50]
asciilifeform	(if you can't relocate, YOU CAN'T DEFRAG)	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	it won't work.	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	partly because c++. what's an object ?	[18:50]
asciilifeform	i was about to describe the only possible way to make it work.	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	ah don't mind me, proceed.	[18:51]
asciilifeform	naturally, you can't actually move a cpp obj because of pointer spaghetti.	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	for starters. and because compiler will fuck you.	[18:51]
asciilifeform	but what you ~can~ do is 1) pick a tx which must move 2) declare it dead temporarily, copy to a cache 3) introduce it as if it were a new incoming tx.	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	won't deallocate anything.	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	will allocate more stuff.	[18:51]
asciilifeform	deallocates ~that region~	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	does it now ?	[18:52]
asciilifeform	then you do the next arithmetically-adjacent tx, ad infinitum, until you have N contiguous bts free	[18:52]
jurov	asciilifeform: std::map is biggest problem that the actual tx+its script	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	^	[18:52]
jurov	it rebalances a tree often, creating yet bigger mess	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	and odds are std::map is not even correctly implemented, and we don't even know exactly where.	[18:52]
asciilifeform	the correct solution to this is more or less equivalent to writing a filesystem.	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	it's more.	[18:55]
asciilifeform	approx. the same. result will look quite like, e.g., reiserfs.	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	but you surely recall the original discussions of "bitcoin-as-filesystem" as a precursor to bitcoin-os	[18:55]
jurov	i'm completely fine with 70% - filled hashtable	[18:55]
jurov	even a filesystem won't get much better	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	jurov honestly i think the original design intent was that.	[18:56]
asciilifeform	the other side of this medal is that tx is simply too cheap today.	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	apparently it didn't pan out.	[18:56]
jurov	http://dpaste.com/3HMD8F1 << igprof pointing to teh map	[18:56]
assbot	dpaste: 3HMD8F1: igprof MEM_LIVE ... ( http://bit.ly/1NvzU0l )	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform this is an infelicity of puberty. we can't do anything about that yet.	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	bitchslapping the redditards "we need free shit because that's what we're worth" is one thing. actually making txn cost what they cost is a whole other can of whipass.	[18:57]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: what we ~can~ do is to proclaim that nodes having finite tx capacity will order by value-per-bt and order connection priority likewise by avg. value/bt of incoming tx, and so on recursively.	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	std::vector >::operator=(std::vector > const&) [55]	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	heh mk	[18:57]
jurov	^ and that vector thing in the third place was the bignum idiocy	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform this is the original plan neh ?	[18:58]
asciilifeform	aha	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	it's good enough, imo.	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	ie, a perfectly solid solution to the problem of tx price.	[18:58]
asciilifeform	it is also a perfectly good simulation of a planet without reddit	[18:58]
asciilifeform	the only flaw is that, on the naked net as we now have it, usg can inject poor tx in between any two nodes	[18:59]
asciilifeform	and move a perfectly legit node into pederasty vis a vis another node	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	in a thoroughly tangential tangent : CRYPTO_malloc is likely as porous as thin gauze.	[19:00]
jurov	mircea_popescu: it's aliased to malloc	[19:00]
jurov	but that version did not have openssl compiled with debug	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	wasn't it a "special" thing with memory protection ?	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	ah ok.	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	i meant the openssl thing	[19:01]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: you might be confusing with gpg	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	mno.	[19:01]
asciilifeform	which indeed has such a thing	[19:01]
asciilifeform	(allocates from unpageable mem)	[19:01]
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jurov	however, there is some special context management for temporary operations on bignums	[19:01]
jurov	not looked closer yet	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	;;google CRYPTO_malloc() in libcrypto	[19:02]
gribble	Ignoring whining about OpenSSL in Valgrind - rachelbythebay: ; openssl / valgrind - Stack Overflow: ; #299 (Second memory leak) – libssh2:	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	heh. how do you tell google to look inside source of code packages ?	[19:02]
asciilifeform	iirc 'google code' is defunct now	[19:02]
asciilifeform	was abolished because cattle didn't need it for anything	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	anyway. the thing leaks like a sieve.	[19:03]
jurov	http://osxr.org/openssl/ident?_i=CRYPTO_malloc&_remember=1 i found this	[19:04]
assbot	openssl-1.0.1h identifier search: CRYPTO_malloc ... ( http://bit.ly/1NvApYg )	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	ah here we go i think http://osxr.org/openssl/source/crypto/crypto.h#0368	[19:04]
assbot	openssl-1.0.1h/crypto/crypto.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1NvAqLK )	[19:04]
jurov	it does some dance, but in the end calls malloc every time	[19:05]
*	asciilifeform is still curious how the mega-contradiction between 'fix bitcoin' and 'hands off your father's vintage pistols' is to be resolved.	[19:05]
jurov	from here http://osxr.org/openssl/source/crypto/mem.c#0077	[19:05]
assbot	openssl-1.0.1h/crypto/mem.c ... ( http://bit.ly/1NvAv21 )	[19:05]
asciilifeform	openssl stinks, plain and simple.	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform slowly. just like the contradiction between "don't hurt the woman" and "she bleeds" is resolved in practice3.	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	jurov introducing various crashes along the way and a whole pile of complex strange.	[19:06]
asciilifeform	what, approximately, would it take for mircea_popescu to plug in a replacement for openssl in a live battlefield btctron of his own ?	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	but yes it would, in typical manner of the shitgnomerism that it is, exist solely as a leech-wrapper on something else.	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	it wouldn' do any work, just... you know, supervize.	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform a wot sig.	[19:07]
ben_vulpes	BingoBoingo: how's your libressl node faring?	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	what would it take for you to plug your only penis in the folds of a new hussy ?	[19:07]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: Still on mainnet	[19:07]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: for an accurate analogy, it has to be on a planet where dentata exist	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	they do.	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	;;google m-ai facut din om neom, cind ma pis ma tin de pom.	[19:08]
gribble	Mihai Margineanu raluca - YouTube: ; Versurile preferate dintr-o melodie - Page 4 - Diverse - Comunitatea ...:	[19:08]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: 'libressl' suffers from exactly the same diseases as the other one	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	dja have a ru equiv ?	[19:08]
*	jurov notes down reminder to always scan pubic area for wot signatures	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:10]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: LibreSSL node also runs with ~1GB of ram utilized at startup after last BDB locks patch because OpenBSD malloc something or other	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	just making the point that he's got a single appendage, still sticks it into strange.	[19:10]
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asciilifeform	libressl is an atrocity in no important way distinguishable from the original.	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	well, at least it's a [mostly] different one.	[19:11]
asciilifeform	its whole purpose, as far as i can tell, is to take up mental space.	[19:11]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: Also still on OpenBSD 5.7 don't know if 5.8's introduced new weird	[19:11]
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punkman	!s polarssl	[19:14]
assbot	7 results for 'polarssl' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=polarssl	[19:14]
ben_vulpes	more software, more problems.	[19:14]
asciilifeform	polarssl - also a turd	[19:15]
asciilifeform	IF I CAN'T READ IT IN AN EVENING it is a turd	[19:15]
punkman	well you gotta write it then	[19:15]
asciilifeform	IT DOES NOT TAKE 50MB OF SRC to do ecc crypto	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	the only strange thing is this guy HASNT already joined the mujahedeen	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	you know alf, they're the only people that agree everything sucks.	[19:15]
*	asciilifeform idly wonders what a caliphate-approved programming system might look like	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	excel ?	[19:16]
punkman	what was that other one hmm	[19:16]
*	asciilifeform for some reason pictures a variation on 'intercal'	[19:16]
punkman	!s micro ecc	[19:16]
assbot	14 results for 'micro ecc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=micro+ecc	[19:17]
asciilifeform	!s nanoecc	[19:17]
assbot	0 results for 'nanoecc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nanoecc	[19:17]
shinohai	!rate liquidassets 1 welcome to #b-a	[19:17]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/5a57b534b1e4c6ff	[19:17]
asciilifeform	hm	[19:17]
asciilifeform	punkman: there was one, at one point i even cleaned it up a bit and posted to trb ml. BUT i was never actually able to get it to work	[19:17]
asciilifeform	nor put in the very real effort needed to properly grasp what the author thought he was doing.	[19:17]
punkman	did it compile?	[19:18]
asciilifeform	it did.	[19:18]
asciilifeform	which is all i can say for it.	[19:18]
asciilifeform	(segfaults immediately)	[19:18]
punkman	there's an ada crypto library that does EC	[19:18]
asciilifeform	phun phakt: a conforming ada implementation has ~internal bignum~ BUT won't let you use it for anything constructive.	[19:18]
asciilifeform	(the compiler demands it to have limitless tables, etc)	[19:19]
PeterL	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347457 << there is a large group of people (mortgage originators, real-estate agents, etc) trying to convince people how amazing a mortgage is	[19:19]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[19:19]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 18:20:05; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347241 << the thing scammers never tell the scamee is that investing is a professional activity. no fucking exceptions.	[19:19]
shinohai	!v assbot:shinohai.rate.liquidassets.1:e2a5762104da4eb5a2db892b8fe1861592c10b3006f61f49213e83b8d43b2a38	[19:19]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for liquidassets with note: welcome to #b-a	[19:19]
asciilifeform	PeterL: there is also a large group of people trying to convince anybody who will listen how great afterlife is	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	mortgage has actually a very respectable history of unhinging idiots from their own money.	[19:19]
punkman	been reading more Ada at odd intervals, keeps getting weirder	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	it was, historically, the principal instrument used by the burgeoisie to lynch the aristocracy	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	the beauty of it is that it does more indirectly than directly.	[19:20]
asciilifeform	ahaha mortgaged castles etc	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	yup. but why ?	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	gotta keep up with the jones.	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	EXACTLY the same mechanism. nobody is about to ask his dearly beloved wife	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	"listen you dumb cunt, who the fuck told you must deserve a roof over your head, can't just wash stuff by hand in the river ?"	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	similarly, the 9th earl of dumbass couldn't readily say "so what if the marquis of idiot has six horses pulling his cart ?"	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	once it starts liquidating privilege, it can't practically be stopped. network effects.	[19:22]
asciilifeform	except at the end you simply get a new aristocracy	[19:22]
asciilifeform	that is on the receiving end of the extractor pipe	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	nope. that's the problem. at the end you just get the burgeois desert.	[19:23]
PeterL	liberates the stupid from their money, lets the smart take over?	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	anyway, jp had same problem - excised it. for as long as kept it out... survived.	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	PeterL more often than not, a different flavour of stupid.	[19:23]
punkman	asciilifeform: there's also https://github.com/bitcoin/secp256k1 :trollface:	[19:25]
assbot	bitcoin/secp256k1 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1O03FHT )	[19:25]
asciilifeform	l0l	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	now look : you can't dismiss that thing just because it exists.	[19:25]
punkman	it's even in C without the ++	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	it has good reasons to exist, which are exactly what we're discussing here.	[19:25]
*	mircea_popescu wants serious review of the secp256k1 thing.	[19:26]
asciilifeform	i'd like to know how the rangerz achieved the mandatory goal of making it an unreadable megalith	[19:26]
punkman	they are putting it in next version iirc	[19:26]
asciilifeform	was there a commissar standing, 'add moar codez'	[19:26]
*	asciilifeform dredged through it a while ago, but will not sign anything	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	wouldja keep an open mind ?	[19:27]
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asciilifeform	sure	[19:27]
asciilifeform	but if we're gonna terraform existing item, i'd much prefer the nano ecc thing.	[19:28]
asciilifeform	which is READABLY light.	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	sure. jus' sayin'.	[19:28]
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mircea_popescu	Intended to be portable to any system with a C89 compiler and uint64_t support. << a large part of why it'd be large.	[19:30]
asciilifeform	i must disagree	[19:31]
asciilifeform	'portable' on my planet means PORTABLE and not a gaggle of #ifdef's	[19:31]
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asciilifeform	each of the latter individually enclosing a totally nonportable turd	[19:31]
PeterL	I thought c was supposed to be portable, why would you have to bloat code to make it go on different systems?	[19:31]
asciilifeform	PeterL: you don't	[19:31]
asciilifeform	but idiots will tell you that shit is the new food	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	your planet also doesn't support java and whatnot.	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	jesus github is fucking unusable.	[19:33]
asciilifeform	https://github.com/bitcoin/secp256k1/blob/master/src/secp256k1.c#L314 << lulzy	[19:33]
assbot	secp256k1/secp256k1.c at master · bitcoin/secp256k1 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1O04r7L )	[19:33]
asciilifeform	can anybody tell me WHY ?	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	why would you want to have this stupid website and not any sort of x-referencing, line counting, nothing ?	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	"here's a list of filenames"	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	"fuck your mother"	[19:33]
asciilifeform	btw that is the ONLY supported nonce gen fuct ~despite~ a carefully crafted appearance to the contrary	[19:33]
punkman	it does have line counts	[19:33]
asciilifeform	^	[19:33]
punkman	and even comments per line	[19:33]
asciilifeform	needs graphical wwwtron yes	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	why does it know to make "default_illegal_callback_fn" in "static void default_illegal_callback_fn(const char* str, void* data) {" lioght blue	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	BUT DOES NOT KNOW TO MAKE IT CLICKABLE	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	how is this supposed to work ?	[19:34]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ah that case. github doesn't parse languages	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	why does it have to parse languages ?	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	tokenize motherfucker.	[19:34]
asciilifeform	because (as we learned in the callgraph escapade) this is hard.	[19:34]
asciilifeform	go, tokenize cpp.	[19:34]
asciilifeform	i'll wait.	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	"here's a list of all oither lines where this string appears"	[19:34]
asciilifeform	aha but gotta tokenize	[19:34]
punkman	asciilifeform: can anybody tell me WHY ? << well it says it right there, because rfc6979	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform at least fucking function names.	[19:35]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: even THIS is hard	[19:35]
asciilifeform	see the callgraph thread!	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	fuck this shit.	[19:35]
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mircea_popescu	and sure, graph would be nice, but just a damned list ? really ?	[19:36]
asciilifeform	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=285142.0 << lulzy	[19:36]
assbot	Deterministic Usage of DSA and ECDSA Digital Signature Algorithms (RFC 6979) ... ( http://bit.ly/1O04Jvo )	[19:36]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: EXACTLY as hard as the graph	[19:36]
asciilifeform	because in cpp a 'function' is a complicated notion	[19:36]
*	mircea_popescu has a wordcount with references thing for trilema.	[19:36]
asciilifeform	aha because we can agree on what a word is	[19:37]
asciilifeform	this thing with 1 or moar spaces on each side.	[19:37]
punkman	we had a few threads about deterministic k etc	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform an ast is generated SOMEHOW.	[19:37]
ben_vulpes	because github is a thing sillyconvalley bizwrapper around a versoncontrolatroncumhoster for people who don't actually want to or know how to use computers	[19:37]
asciilifeform	punkman: i am still hard pressed to see how it is anything other than a disastrously bad idea	[19:37]
ben_vulpes	"you want jumptodef? lolneckbeard"	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes it's for managers, basically.	[19:38]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: aha. you can go and read the gcc (or even clang) front end and see how.	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	coding-as-social-media.	[19:38]
ben_vulpes	precisely.	[19:38]
ben_vulpes	"show the non-technicals what the nerds are doing! with color!"	[19:38]
ben_vulpes	for only ten dollars per user per month	[19:39]
*	ben_vulpes does not even look at that bill any more, $ragetax simply not worthwhile	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	hence the massive "coding streak" and other "productivity' measures, as if coding is a sort of stationary bicycle and who knows, "maybe you wanna know" aka "your boss does"	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	but no fucking usable code anything.	[19:39]
ben_vulpes	write moar l1nez!	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	maybe i want to sort this list of packages by TOTAL COUNT OF REFERENCES. how about that!	[19:39]
asciilifeform	http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/36142 << i am unable to grasp how the claims could possibly be true	[19:39]
assbot	signature - Problems with deterministic ECDSA based on RFC6979 in Bitcoin - Bitcoin Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1O052X4 )	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	i wish to pick which pissing app to use by how many times the alternatives call std::anything.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	let the code fucking compete already.	[19:40]
asciilifeform	'Also note that one of the key benefits of using this construction is that you need not worry about a weakness in your PRNG being exploited in the signing process. For example, signing different pieces of data with the same k value instantly leaks your private key. A similar attack can also be exploited if the PRNG is weak enough to determine the relationship between different k values used when signing the same piece of data.	[19:40]
asciilifeform	Since the k is deterministically generated from the data you are signing (and the private key), these concerns about the PRNG are no longer as relevant, as you will always produce the same signature for the same piece of data. This also makes writing ECDSA unit tests easier.'	[19:40]
ben_vulpes	as if ctags were so hard to use.	[19:40]
asciilifeform	deterministic --> moar breakable !111 omfg	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the idea is that it's not random, so you don't get two data points, so you can't use the particular leak thing	[19:41]
ben_vulpes	remind me to tell y'all about the ios build toolchain plugin that makes curl calls ON COMPILE	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes what ?!	[19:41]
asciilifeform	you get the leak in a straightforward way if k is REUSED	[19:41]
asciilifeform	but you ALSO get same if the same mathematical relationship can be derived from deterministic k.	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform right.	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	but "nobody could determine this" because "we seed with text. AND KEY!!!!1"	[19:42]
asciilifeform	which is ~exactly~ what we get in that rfc.	[19:42]
asciilifeform	this is quite like the 'rng whitening'.	[19:42]
asciilifeform	'only usg knows how to open this box therefore nobody'	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	see, NOW we got a good reason not to like it.	[19:42]
asciilifeform	i had this reason ~2y ago l0l	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless!	[19:43]
*	asciilifeform digs futilely for thread	[19:43]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: yes you see it needs the debug symbols transmitted to some leprous SaaS thing for in-the-field device debugging	[19:43]
ben_vulpes	symbols which it CAN ONLY GET ON COMPILE apparently.	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	huh ?	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	you mean linking yes ?	[19:43]
ben_vulpes	include this 'pod' in your ios build, get HTTP calls on project compile.	[19:44]
ben_vulpes	there isn't much of a separation of concerns in the ios toolchain.	[19:44]
ben_vulpes	there is a big user-friendly button: "run this on my ipnohe or in the simulat0r"	[19:44]
asciilifeform	cannot compile on airplane?	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:44]
ben_vulpes	can always rip pod out temporarily, asciilifeform	[19:45]
*	asciilifeform does not recall any such atrocity when he did ipnohe	[19:45]
ben_vulpes	'pod's	[19:45]
ben_vulpes	ugh	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	should make for better compiles.	[19:45]
ben_vulpes	it had yet to be shitted up by the rubros.	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	proper hell punishment would be to have to debug this shit.	[19:45]
ben_vulpes	yes! it got worse!	[19:45]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: do you test on an actual physical ipnohe ?	[19:47]
ben_vulpes	of course	[19:47]
asciilifeform	(iirc this is nontrivial)	[19:47]
ben_vulpes	6 american regular, 6 small, 5, 5s, the whole gamut.	[19:47]
asciilifeform	quite the zoo.	[19:47]
ben_vulpes	recent bug: "colors are weird on 5s"	[19:47]
ben_vulpes	yes well, life in pursuit of 'kwalidee'	[19:48]
asciilifeform	anyway ipnohe devs think they have a terrible time, but try being a '90s game dev for consoles	[19:49]
asciilifeform	(my brother did this, still has some of the very peculiar hardware)	[19:50]
asciilifeform	docs were hastily-written and inaccurate, vendor support - spotty, compilers - buggy, architectures - quite 'turkish' and requiring serious asm massage just for acceptable performance.	[19:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00050214 = 14.311 BTC [+] {2}	[19:52]
asciilifeform	BUT nothing 'curl'ed during compile, no.	[19:53]
punkman	asciilifeform: but did they need to have two dozen TVs for testing?	[19:53]
asciilifeform	sure did.	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	well a coupla, at any rate.	[19:56]
asciilifeform	the up-side of slow and finicky comps was that there was a lower limit to the dev iq and a hard upper limit to code bloat.	[19:56]
asciilifeform	but this is elementarily obvious.	[19:56]
BingoBoingo	they are putting it in next version iirc << Signing tx with since 0.10 iirc	[19:57]
punkman	"I actually have two implementations of example malicious signers: One produces non-deterministic signatures and leaks a 256 bit private key, to the holder of a specific public key and no one else, in ~33 signatures with very high probability (failure rate of 1 in 1000 for 33 signatures, around 1 in a million for 34). The other produces a seemingly RFC 6979 like deterministic signatures and	[19:58]
punkman	with a single signature leaks the current private key, and with 16 signatures leaks an additional 256 bit secret (e.g. a master private key, with a failure rate of around 1:1000 for 16 signatures, ~1:1e6 for 17 signatures)." interesting	[19:58]
asciilifeform	http://www.retrogames.co.uk/040022/Sega/Sega-Dreamcast-Development-Console << example of item used then	[19:58]
assbot	Sega Dreamcast Development Console from Retrogames ... ( http://bit.ly/1NDZkXl )	[19:58]
*	asciilifeform rather surprised anybody still has one of these for sale	[19:58]
asciilifeform	punkman: precisely what i was speaking of, except that i conjecture that ANY deterministic signing process is kleptographic	[19:58]
asciilifeform	whether you and i can demonstrate how, or not.	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	this is not a conjecture, but a self-evident axiom	[19:59]
asciilifeform	for exactly same reason as prng !	[19:59]
asciilifeform	(and 'rng with whitening' which IS a prng)	[19:59]
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punkman	https://github.com/warner/python-ecdsa/tree/master/ecdsa python ecdsa implementation, used by Electrum, might be good for reading	[20:10]
assbot	python-ecdsa/ecdsa at master · warner/python-ecdsa · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0vu4N )	[20:10]
BingoBoingo	But electrum ecsda only has to sign transaction, not verify the BritneyChain	[20:12]
punkman	BingoBoingo: perhaps a good project for students, dump all the blocks from a therealbitcoin node, verify sigs with python-ecdsa or other	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	definitely.	[20:21]
punkman	https://github.com/ionux/phactor heh, pure php secp256k1	[20:22]
assbot	ionux/phactor · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0wOo5 )	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	probably for mtgox interoperation ?	[20:23]
punkman	bitpay	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	"My presentation was ok. The mandatory Q&A afterwards was horrible. The only two people in the room that we hadn’t gotten prior support from were skeptical to say the least. As I left the room I was shattered. And as my contact at Accelerace didn’t call me later on that day I knew where it was going. My chairman didn’t either. Not a good sign. I left messages and they didn’t return my calls. In the afternoon I	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	had a speaking engagement in the other end of the country, pitching to a huge room full of potential customers. It was an absurd experience. I was crumbling on the inside but had to pose confidently. " << why the fuck ? just... why ? nobody ever asks this. "i had to lie". really ? why did you have to lie ?	[20:24]
punkman	this might be the shortest one I've seen, no 256k1 though https://github.com/esxgx/easy-ecc/blob/master/ecc.c	[20:24]
assbot	easy-ecc/ecc.c at master · esxgx/easy-ecc · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0x46K )	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	"after dropping them off I sat in the rental car staring at air. Crying. Feelings of fear, anger, self-righteousness and uncertainty overwhelmed me." << he has all the patience to consider all the inept minutia of his gender-confused identity. he has not the slightest fucking shred of interest or self-awareness to go "hey, waitasecond, why do i gotta lie again ?"	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	why does ecc.c include string.h or should't i be asking these sorts of questions ?	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	"c thinks arrays are strings, mp" "oh i see, makes sense"	[20:26]
mod6	<+asciilifeform> ;;later tell mod6 does yours (or anybody else's) 'v' verify the hashes ? << mine uses the vpatch hashes to build the dep map	[20:29]
mod6	so no, it does not verify them.	[20:29]
mod6	at least mine doesn't.	[20:30]
mod6	did yours do that?	[20:30]
mod6	if it does, I may have overlooked that somehow.	[20:30]
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punkman	https://github.com/jonasnick/ecdsaPredictableNonce attack against libsec256k1 about a year ago	[20:32]
assbot	jonasnick/ecdsaPredictableNonce · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NE2eeN )	[20:32]
BingoBoingo	Thermos: "No, it basically already has consensus from dev/expert community because it solves so many problems in one go and is pretty simple to understand if you know how Bitcoin works. There are no reasonable objections to SegWit AFAIK." https://archive.is/Q60SC#selection-2433.0-2433.227	[20:33]
assbot	Segregated Witness, Part 1: How a Clever Hack Could Significantly Increase Bitcoin's Potential : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1NE2hHm )	[20:33]
BingoBoingo	And Aaron encouraged the Hebrew people to make a new God of gold rather than Bitcoin while Moses was on Mount Sinai verifying the Godchain https://archive.is/ukHT5	[20:33]
assbot	Segregated Witness, Part 1: How a Clever Hack Could Significantly Increase Bitcoin's Potential \| Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1NE2iLm )	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo "reasonable" eh ?	[20:36]
BingoBoingo	Fucking Thermos	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	funny how that goes, right ?	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	there were no "reasonable" objections to pirate, either.	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	or to marquardt's little glbse insider-trading scam back in the day.	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	or to so many things.	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	thanks the gods above for "reasonable", especially if it can be made to mean "the wolves agree"?	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	!rated theymos	[20:39]
assbot	You rated user theymos on 15-Nov-2014, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: defrauded the tardstalk community by throwing ~half a million dollars worth of BTC at some obscure service provider for kickbacks. a lenghty history of fraudulent behaviour, http://trilema.com/2012/scammer-tag-nefario-theymos-others-known-and-unknown/.	[20:39]
kakobrekla	no, it doesnt go lower than -10	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	speaking of which... we're not expecting a sec investigation, right ? because got better things to do, right ?	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	asswipes.	[20:39]
punkman	why not!	[20:39]
punkman	assbot should go to -11	[20:40]
kakobrekla	l0l	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	eh 10's good enough	[20:40]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, birdy on my shoulder whispers that what's meant by "reasonable" certainly is "reasoned". yes, there are no reasoned objections, chiefly because fuck you, that's why.	[20:42]
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mircea_popescu	i've had it with this age of bullshit-reason where you gotta explain things to idiots with a first-paragraph-of-many-wikipedia-articles education as if everything can, or indeed should, be put in those terms.	[20:43]
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punkman	I think we've listed various reasoned objections here	[20:43]
BingoBoingo	punkman: But we aren't doing it on Feddit	[20:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62300 @ 0.00050221 = 31.2877 BTC [+] {3}	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	im not aware anyone undertook the effort to write an equivalent of january's "here's the list of gavin xt idiocies and their rebuttals", 10k words over 3 articles sorta thing.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	certainly the muppets can not be expected to figure things out, so...	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	ever since they came up with the idiotic notion of a vulgate, you're stuck playing the calvin. fuck that.	[20:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00049823 = 11.4593 BTC [-] {2}	[20:45]
mod6	<+jurov> mod6 asciilifeform: the turd http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000186.html << thx for posting this! will review tonight.	[20:49]
assbot	[BTC-dev] Taming the mempool ... ( http://bit.ly/1NvyaEi )	[20:49]
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punkman	the basic idea of segwit is not bad, should have been there from the start, without the "softfork" complexity, no ANYONECANPAY-looking crap, without making another merkle tree, without blocksize discounts and enlargements, without planning to use it as a vehicle for future "painless" shitgnovation	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	so....	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	point remains : as far as bitcoin is concerned, the thing is as irrelevant as the messages blockchain.info keeps "tagging" transactions with. the people who have no business in bitcoin but for whatever emotional/psychogenic reasons are misrepresented or misrepresenting themselves as involved WILL necessarily find a way out. there's just no way to stay attached if you;'re not attached.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	as far as the faux users were concerned, this was stated as obvious in 2012.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	as far as the faux developers are concerned, it's rather obvious that even people with just a little ego will nevertheless necesitate the psychological maneuver of working themselves out of it through "projects" rather than just stopping.	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	yes, a sane power ranger would have quit back in 2013, when mpoe-pr published that post on tardstalk.	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	but they're kids, with the life experience, intellectual/emotional maturity and general bandwidth of the average pubescent afghan. so... takes a little longer.	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	anyway, to round off that luke-jr inanity from before : you can't "fork off" the real bitcoin. yeah, you can maybe make it appear (to yourself) that you have a coupla confirms. it costs you more than you have anyway, and nobody looks at hte shit you look at, so it's mostly an exercise in masturbation. expensive, but ultimately pointless.	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless, YOU being forked off the real bitcoin can happen quite easily, and is incurable. so you think "you sent bitcoin" ? i don't see it.	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	fuck you, go talk to whoever you wanna talk to about it. unless it shows up in MY chain, it never happened.	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	but hey, they're fiat-based leeches and think in terms of "can i sell this bitcoin"	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	little conception of how the actual bitcoin people see things.	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	trb transactions will necessarily, always and everywhere be translatable to whatever shit-flavour-of-the-day "everyone" is using because "no reasonable objections".	[21:03]
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assbot	Dutch driving instructors can take sex as payment in 'Ride for Ride' law \| Metro News ... ( http://bit.ly/1mtRid2 )	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	the chances of the reverse being possible decrease with every "everyone" and every "reasonable" and every "users came to expect" and so on.	[21:03]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1348022 << there is no other way to do it! what i was asking was whether anybody's 'v' actually verifies that patching in the given sequence actually yields files having specified hashes.	[21:12]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 23:26:49; mod6: <+asciilifeform> ;;later tell mod6 does yours (or anybody else's) 'v' verify the hashes ? << mine uses the vpatch hashes to build the dep map	[21:12]
BingoBoingo	https://archive.is/bNEhU	[21:12]
assbot	[EBOOK] How to scam people at Bitcointalk ... ( http://bit.ly/1NE55Ez )	[21:12]
asciilifeform	because mine, as everybody knows i think, did not.	[21:12]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1348027 << this cost a good number of chumps their coin, aha	[21:14]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 23:29:25; punkman: https://github.com/jonasnick/ecdsaPredictableNonce attack against libsec256k1 about a year ago	[21:14]
asciilifeform	but somehow it Never Happened !11111 (tm)	[21:14]
asciilifeform	(as far as peter w is concerned, apparently)	[21:14]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1348050 << you know what's great? rat poison STILL WORKS even if you don't explain to the rats exactly ~how~ !	[21:15]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 23:40:46; mircea_popescu: i've had it with this age of bullshit-reason where you gotta explain things to idiots with a first-paragraph-of-many-wikipedia-articles education as if everything can, or indeed should, be put in those terms.	[21:15]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1348061 << what, precisely, is 'not bad' about it? it's 100% braindamage by weight and by volume	[21:16]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 23:49:50; punkman: the basic idea of segwit is not bad, should have been there from the start, without the "softfork" complexity, no ANYONECANPAY-looking crap, without making another merkle tree, without blocksize discounts and enlargements, without planning to use it as a vehicle for future "painless" shitgnovation	[21:16]
mod6	asciilifeform: ok, so add the ability to check the hash of the output file (post press) against 'b' in the vpatch?	[21:17]
asciilifeform	mod6: ideally a vtron would follow along as the patches are applied and actually verify the hashes, yes	[21:18]
asciilifeform	what we have now, takes the vpatch's word for it.	[21:18]
mod6	right	[21:18]
asciilifeform	incidentally, gentlemen, please welcome (back) dulap! 46.166.165.30:8333 (nosuchlabs.com), a trb node running bleedingedge-asciilifeform+rotor(musl)	[21:20]
asciilifeform	(rotor, if anyone forgets, is a static build from a locally-built gcc toolchain)	[21:20]
asciilifeform	with the frozen deps	[21:20]
asciilifeform	and kudos to mircea_popescu for providing a very spiffy box, on which phuctor will also very soon return	[21:21]
asciilifeform	this is a press of the programmable-versionstring patch and down.	[21:22]
asciilifeform	zoolag is also running same, as of last night.	[21:22]
BingoBoingo	Oh, dulap is the one I've been connected to for a while nao	[21:22]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: aha but now it is synced	[21:22]
asciilifeform	(an unsynced trb node is not good for much! because it rejects most tx)	[21:23]
asciilifeform	thinkaboutit	[21:23]
BingoBoingo	yeah	[21:23]
BingoBoingo	Mine still rejects most tx because fee under 0.001	[21:23]
asciilifeform	not even speaking of these.	[21:23]
BingoBoingo	Yeah, the orphanage kill was a great thing	[21:24]
BingoBoingo	So is "/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/ (99999)" the recommended version string for 0.5 branch until diddling because so few	[21:25]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: my patches do not represent the official papal view of therealbitcoinfoundation	[21:26]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: if the latest patch is ratified by the latter, then yes	[21:26]
asciilifeform	otherwise it simply happens to be the version string used by my nodez.	[21:26]
BingoBoingo	Alright.	[21:26]
asciilifeform	and incidentally BingoBoingo, should he make use of this patch, can easily set another	[21:27]
asciilifeform	without recompiling.	[21:27]
BingoBoingo	Of course. Played with that already.	[21:27]
BingoBoingo	Wonderful pranktential	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1348050 << you know what's great? rat poison STILL WORKS even if you don't explain to the rats exactly ~how~ ! <<< precisely. moreover, every new generation of rats agrees that it doesn't work. which somehow does not have any deleterious effects on the rat poison itself.	[21:28]
assbot	Logged on 19-12-2015 23:40:46; mircea_popescu: i've had it with this age of bullshit-reason where you gotta explain things to idiots with a first-paragraph-of-many-wikipedia-articles education as if everything can, or indeed should, be put in those terms.	[21:28]
asciilifeform	aha, exactly this	[21:28]
BingoBoingo	In other news "/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/ (99999)" is tied for 38th place by nodecount per 21.co's thing	[21:29]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: part of the motivation for my experiment is to see how long it will be before they start 'accidentally' censoring it	[21:30]
asciilifeform	but this is only mildly interesting and i will probably forget to watch very soon.	[21:30]
BingoBoingo	Yeah, but in the plus side only takes 10 more to make it into the top 30	[21:31]
asciilifeform	and yet if we had 10,001 of these it would make for some mild lulz	[21:31]
asciilifeform	watch'em piss pants	[21:31]
BingoBoingo	If shennanigans could always "go stealth" and pile on as 10th place /Satoshi:0.8.6/ (97 nodez)	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	costs significantly less than what's in the foundation coffers to line up 10k amazon instances and let it rip.	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	nobody gives enough of a shit, but anyway. "army in being".	[21:32]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: yeah but questionable gain	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	anyone in the foundation leadership familiar with the military strategy concept ? ben_vulpes mod6 ?	[21:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115300 @ 0.00049822 = 57.4448 BTC [-] {2}	[21:33]
*	asciilifeform is familiar but not in trbfoundation	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	i suppose should prolly call it fleet in being for historical reasons, but anywya.	[21:34]
asciilifeform	fleet aha	[21:34]
asciilifeform	at any rate, whoever wants to do this, knows how, it is not a mega-pr0j3ct	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	amusingly, it's a converse/correlate concept to the overton window.	[21:34]
asciilifeform	aws storage is, iirc, costly. this was one of the motivations for the enemy 'spv' crud etc	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	links nicely to anchoring stuff such as "the freedom to threaten" (see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-01-2015#998185 ) and so on.	[21:35]
assbot	Logged on 30-01-2015 05:51:36; mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you don't have to store anything to get the version string out.	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	in fact it's better if ytou don't store anything.	[21:36]
asciilifeform	that'd there be pseudonode.	[21:36]
asciilifeform	which exists.	[21:36]
asciilifeform	everybody knows where to get it.	[21:36]
asciilifeform	(it's a 50kb c proggy)	[21:36]
asciilifeform	https://github.com/basil00/PseudoNode	[21:36]
assbot	basil00/PseudoNode · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NE6Wt4 )	[21:36]
asciilifeform	!s pseudonode	[21:36]
assbot	14 results for 'pseudonode' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pseudonode	[21:36]
asciilifeform	imho rather than a useful thing, it is actually a molasses-attack vector on the btc net	[21:37]
asciilifeform	and the possibility of it existing is a bug	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	"The first great step was taken long ago," said Mr. Monk,–"taken by men who were looked upon as revolutionary demagogues, almost as traitors, because they took it. But it is a great thing to take any step that leads us onwards."	[21:38]
asciilifeform	but it'd be a not-altogether-terrible way to kill the rangers' net	[21:38]
asciilifeform	after the gossified one is up	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	wouldn't kill anything. just make the "electoral process" a direct equivalent of the time man-of-the-year competition,.	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	its mere presence already accomplished most of that, anyway.	[21:39]
asciilifeform	kill in the sense of severing from the actual living meat	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	no democracy ever again.	[21:39]
asciilifeform	sorta the equivalent of the syrian flood	[21:39]
asciilifeform	!s empooren	[21:39]
assbot	0 results for 'empooren' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=empooren	[21:39]
asciilifeform	hm.	[21:39]
BingoBoingo	"This is not true, compatibility with old nodes is funny preserved." << loller from minez	[21:40]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-11-2015#1324872	[21:40]
assbot	Logged on 15-11-2015 16:37:59; mircea_popescu: and em-poor-en.	[21:40]
asciilifeform	at any rate, if mircea_popescu or anybody else wants to run 10,001 pseudonodes, he knows how	[21:42]
asciilifeform	(and i would argue that any kind of node whatsoever on aws or similar, is equivalent to a pseudonode instance)	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	at least from our pov, yes.	[21:42]
asciilifeform	one problem with this scheme is that they'd all live in aws ip space	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	"Oportunidad Startups - Potenciate en una StartUp de Latam"	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	dear god...	[21:43]
asciilifeform	and thus do not really shitbury the dem00000cracy of redditors on cable modems	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	Company: inBloom	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	It is a shame that the progress of important innovation has been stalled because of generalized public concerns about data misuse.	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	We stepped up to the occasion and supported our partners with passion, but we have realized that this concept is still new, and building public acceptance for the solution will require more time and resources than anyone could have anticipated.	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	the article is gone. they had ONE HUNDRED MILLION	[21:44]
asciilifeform	the CORRECT place for pseudonode is...	[21:44]
asciilifeform	on pwned routers.	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	from gates & the happy lizzard club.	[21:44]
asciilifeform	l0lwut	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	http://techcrunch.com/2013/02/05/with-100m-from-the-gates-foundation-others-inbloom-wants-to-transform-education-by-unleashing-its-data/ << not every airbnb succeeds.	[21:45]
assbot	With $100M From The Gates Foundation & Others, inBloom Wants To Transform Education By Unleashing Its Data \| TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1O0fm1u )	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	The company also wants to help educators locate standards-aligned instructional resources from multiple providers, matching them to students’ individual needs. “We want to create more choice for schools and educators,” Streichenberger says, but not in a way that is overwhelming or makes their lives more confusing. “But in a way that allows startups and companies to create different versions of learning analytic	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	s, for example, with teachers being able to choose the one that’s best for their needs.”	[21:45]
asciilifeform	seems content-free	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	it is.	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	100mn.	[21:47]
asciilifeform	prolly all went back to lizard coffer without so much as stopping for a drink.	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	doh.	[21:47]
asciilifeform	aha like mains current	[21:47]
asciilifeform	when even was the last time anybody gave somebody 100mn ~turkey dollars~	[21:48]
asciilifeform	ah i recall	[21:48]
asciilifeform	when the idiot ukrs sent their gold reserve to usg	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	they didn't have that much did they.	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	besides, looting isn't giving.	[21:49]
asciilifeform	iirc - almost	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	if you're happy with ammo dollars (kinda dubious), pretty much every warlord in the middle east got himself as much this decade.	[21:50]
asciilifeform	ru ammo is cheap.	[21:50]
asciilifeform	so cheap, that you will find it cheap ~in k0ns0000m3r retail in usa~	[21:50]
asciilifeform	(so cheap that usa actually bought, through shills, when distributing in afghan in '80s !!111 and still.)	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	in other news, i'm getting used to the ~$30 contractor bills around here. 4 hour's labour, with tools and consumables. reasonable.	[21:52]
asciilifeform	it is also 'grungy' and ill-burning and american shooting aficionados scoff at the iron shells	[21:52]
asciilifeform	but they buy it, yes	[21:52]
asciilifeform	while scoffing.	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	copper shells are a fundamentally bad idea.	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	i know why they went for it, but really. fucking dumb.	[21:53]
asciilifeform	brass	[21:53]
asciilifeform	but yes, largely cu	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	no better. copper is scarce and has better uses.	[21:53]
asciilifeform	brass is malleable and recycles easily	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	excusable originally, because hey, 1800 machining sucked.	[21:53]
asciilifeform	also forms good seal in chamber	[21:53]
asciilifeform	which was nontrivial to achieve for steel shell	[21:53]
asciilifeform	(requires VERY fine tolerances)	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	im kinda wondering why no plastic shells yet.	[21:54]
asciilifeform	there are !	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	a ? okthen	[21:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83025 @ 0.00050263 = 41.7309 BTC [+] {5}	[21:54]
asciilifeform	i saw nylon luger rounds (shell AND bullet) sold.	[21:54]
asciilifeform	http://reviews.cabelas.com/8815/218143/herters-select-grade-tnj-handgun-ammunition-reviews/reviews.htm << nylon shell, traditional bullet	[21:55]
assbot	Cabela's - Herter's® Select-Grade TNJ Handgun Ammunition customer reviews - product reviews - read top consumer ratings ... ( http://bit.ly/1NE86oh )	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	$15 per 50 /.40 S+W	[21:55]
asciilifeform	pulled out at random	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	not badf	[21:55]
asciilifeform	or hm, this link isn't it	[21:55]
asciilifeform	these are merely nylon-JACKETED lead bullets	[21:55]
asciilifeform	in metallic shells	[21:55]
asciilifeform	(looks like aluminum)	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	prolly is.	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	should be interesting once the plastic guns with plastic bullets start showing up at airports.	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	METAL DETECTOR!!11	[21:57]
asciilifeform	by various accounts, these are long ago sop	[21:57]
asciilifeform	a circa-1970s su specimen is known to exist	[21:57]
asciilifeform	ceramic bullet.	[21:57]
asciilifeform	iirc the main difficulty was the firing pin, it really does not want to be made of ceramic	[21:59]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348201 << moar plumbers ?	[22:00]
assbot	Logged on 20-12-2015 00:49:28; mircea_popescu: in other news, i'm getting used to the ~$30 contractor bills around here. 4 hour's labour, with tools and consumables. reasonable.	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	hey, if you're going to build yourself a proper torture fortress you'll need all sorts of herraderia work done.	[22:00]
deedbot-	[Ossasepia] Foxy’s Dismal Scribblings on Euloran Exploration Data or Truly Horrible Numbers - http://www.dianacoman.com/2015/12/20/foxys-dismal-scribblings-on-euloran-exploration-data-or-truly-horrible-numbers/	[22:00]
asciilifeform	i happen to know that in a four-story, four-block office bldg full of secretutes, a plumber is necessary more or less 1+/day	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	this girl's a born optimist is she	[22:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8195 @ 0.00049822 = 4.0829 BTC [-] {2}	[22:01]
mod6	<+mircea_popescu> anyone in the foundation leadership familiar with the military strategy concept ? ben_vulpes mod6 ? << not in a very formal sense.	[22:03]
mod6	<+mircea_popescu> i suppose should prolly call it fleet in being for historical reasons, but anywya. << gotcha	[22:06]
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diana_coman	mircea_popescu> this girl's a born optimist is she <- I even gave optimistic conclusions ! at each point!! lolz	[22:11]
mod6	asciilifeform et. al. V question: Should I verify the hashes after all patches are vpressed, or after each pressed vpatch in the topological order?	[22:16]
mod6	s/vpressed/pressed/	[22:17]
mod6	if we wait until the end, we'll save some cycles -- and mathematically the hashes wouldn't come out right if somehow the files were diddled inbetween. but I can see some merit in checking after each patch is pressed.	[22:19]
mod6	i suppose i can just 'die' if one doesn't verify after each vpatch pressed. maybe that makes better sense.	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	if you check "at the end" now you have state.	[22:23]
punkman	"Possible optimistic conclusion: the new definition of “improved” is going from 34% to 21% success rate. Long (and painfully) live improvements!" lol	[22:28]
BingoBoingo	;;isup btcalpha.com	[22:29]
gribble	btcalpha.com is up	[22:29]
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mircea_popescu	ahahaha look at that, btcalpha is down	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	nope, loaded eventually. you see it BingoBoingo ?	[22:29]
BingoBoingo	Yeah, twas just impatience on my part	[22:30]
mod6	<+mircea_popescu> if you check "at the end" now you have state. << do we want this?	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	mod6 we pointedly don't wqant this.	[22:30]
mod6	ok, got it.	[22:31]
mod6	will check after each and die if not valid.	[22:31]
BingoBoingo	tardmode http://www.washingtonpost.com/cars/elon-musk-wants-california-to-forgive-volkswagen-for-dieselgate-but-theres-a-very-big-catch/2015/12/18/86d47caa-a5b4-11e5-8318-bd8caed8c588_story.html	[22:35]
assbot	Elon Musk Wants California To Forgive Volkswagen For Dieselgate (But There's A Very Big Catch) - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1ODlRU6 )	[22:35]
BingoBoingo	"In contrast to the punishments and recalls being considered, this proposal would be a real win for California emissions, a big win for California jobs, and a historic action to help derail climate change. The bottleneck to the greater availability of zero emissions vehicles is the availability of batteries. There is an urgent need to build more battery factories to increase battery supply, and this proposal would ensure that larg	[22:36]
BingoBoingo	e battery plant and related investments, with their ensuing local jobs, would be made in the U.S. by VW."	[22:36]
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mircea_popescu	lol musk wanna-be truman or wut ?	[22:41]
BingoBoingo	I don't even know anymore.	[22:44]
BingoBoingo	http://notyourgoodfatty.com/fatandflawless-cant-see-the-lifespan-of-the-obese-is-etched-in-stone/	[22:51]
assbot	@Fatandflawless can't see the lifespan of the obese is etched in stone! - NotYourGoodFatty.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ODmYTF )	[22:51]
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BingoBoingo	https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/735019	[22:55]
assbot	My roommate is making my life a living Hell. Update 1. \| fatpeoplehate ... ( http://bit.ly/1ODnfGk )	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	"What I learned from my failed startup after 2 years, 300 users and zero revenue"	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	he probably learned that mpex design is bad and etc.	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	fuck those stupid start-ups that have revenue and etc.	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	"Two years ago, on December 2011, I was generating ideas for a business that would help team managers to not suck so much at managing their teams. I came up with this idea because I had some pretty terrible managers in my life. At the same time I worked for about 5 years with leadership development and had some pretty great teams and team experiences. Exactly January 1st 2012 I registered the domain teamometer.com."	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	totally legit.	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	"Validating the MVP	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	I was reading The Lean Startup at that time, which is a great book, but not completely fool proof (here is a fool who got it wrong). I started well: in December I created a very basic idea and rough screens of my team management web tool. In January I built a very basic 2 page website with a video explaining what Teamometer.com did and a “try it free” button, which then lead to a page for inputting the email addres	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	s to capture leads (since I had no product, that was just a test to see if there was demand). Then I bought a few dollars in Adwords to drive traffic to it."	[22:59]
BingoBoingo	Chicoms took our jobs, nao they are taking our scooty puffs http://notyourgoodfatty.com/too-fat-to-fuck-chinas-fattest-couple-gets-weight-loss-surgery-so-they-can-have-a-baby/	[23:00]
assbot	Too Fat to Fuck! China's Fattest Couple gets weight-loss surgery so they can have a baby. - NotYourGoodFatty.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ODnAsx )	[23:00]
BingoBoingo	"Weighing in at nearly 900 lbs China’s heaviest couple has decided to undergo weight-loss surgery so they can have kids. Lin Yue and Deng Yang have been married since 2010 yet they haven’t been able to consummate their marriage because of their massive fupas. "	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	http://www.sergioschuler.com/startup-lessons-learned-from-my-failed-startup/ << this is prolly the dumbest kid of the crop so far.	[23:01]
assbot	Startup lessons learned from my failed startup - Sergio Schuler ... ( http://bit.ly/1ODnH7p )	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo ustards can't even get obesity right ?	[23:01]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Not when the Chicoms can get to 450 a piece	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	aha	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	from what i hear past 300 or so a valid strategy becomes to just ejaculate and wait for the flies.	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	treemode, so to speak.	[23:02]
BingoBoingo	lol	[23:03]
BingoBoingo	Wait	[23:03]
BingoBoingo	HOLY SHIT TREES ARE OBESE	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	:)	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	and it doesn't affect their health, either.	[23:05]
BingoBoingo	We need to start recording the blockchain on paper, stat.	[23:05]
BingoBoingo	Fucking trees with their rootspreading	[23:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48931 @ 0.00049763 = 24.3495 BTC [-] {2}	[23:09]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348260 << this is necessary (apparently i have to explain it) because WE DON'T HAVE a known-good 'patch' util	[23:20]
assbot	Logged on 20-12-2015 01:28:30; mod6: will check after each and die if not valid.	[23:20]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348295 << was reading log backwards and thought this was about drainpipes (an actual problem where i live)	[23:23]
assbot	Logged on 20-12-2015 02:03:02; BingoBoingo: Fucking trees with their rootspreading	[23:23]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: It is. Copper sulfate helps with that. Still fat fuck trees are so hungry they'll happily turn the shit pipe into a buffet. Behaviorally the things are hamplanets.	[23:24]
asciilifeform	root follows water	[23:25]
asciilifeform	it is the prehistoric clay pipes which are the problem	[23:25]
BingoBoingo	And follow faster when it finds easy shit.	[23:25]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348246 << and waitsec how on earth would you even try to verify hashes ~after all the patches are pressed~	[23:28]
assbot	Logged on 20-12-2015 01:13:56; mod6: asciilifeform et. al. V question: Should I verify the hashes after all patches are vpressed, or after each pressed vpatch in the topological order?	[23:28]
asciilifeform	the only choices are to verify nothing (what we have now), verify only last one (why???) and verify after each (the screamingly correct way)	[23:29]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348269 << folks who associate with the profoundly, frothingly mentally ill, tend to have some issue also	[23:30]
assbot	Logged on 20-12-2015 01:52:53; BingoBoingo: https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/735019	[23:30]
asciilifeform	(otherwise, why??)	[23:30]
BingoBoingo	Because you can't take reddit out of the redditors in exile?	[23:31]
BingoBoingo	They keep making the same mistakes	[23:31]
asciilifeform	the being-broke thing also 'helps'	[23:32]
BingoBoingo	Sure, still meat trees occasionally do stuff like https://archive.is/HzbNk	[23:33]
assbot	Tri-fat: Running with a FUPA \| Marilia Brocchetto ... ( http://bit.ly/1m0tNs1 )	[23:33]
BingoBoingo	"Solution : Running with suspenders! No FUPA issues. I'll take a picture next time to illustrate better. It's amazing what a $5 pair of suspenders from Ace hardware will do to keep a FUPA in check. "	[23:33]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[23:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9273 @ 0.00049712 = 4.6098 BTC [-] {2}	[23:46]
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