Forum logs for 18 Nov 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu either that or the dc being crazy, or the server having been stolen, or who the fuck even knows. [00:02]
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BingoBoingo but i'm developing overexposure allergy to this "i don't understand anything so therefore here's my expert opinion on things" << I kinda handle it the same way one handles lower animals acting in ignorance of the futility of their efforts. Birds hitting windows, dogs barking at trains, rabbits fleeing pedestrians into traffic... [00:11]
mircea_popescu myeah/ [00:12]
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asciilifeform deedbot-: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/wunderwaffen.txt [00:33]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1YfM1Dq ) [00:33]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [00:33]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.loper-os.org/pub/wunderwaffen.txt [00:34]
gribble The operation succeeded. [00:34]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1YfM1Dq ) [00:34]
* mircea_popescu reads [00:36]
mircea_popescu jesus check out what this guy does. [00:37]
* ben_vulpes wonders if this is another of those b64-in-gpg-message-things [00:39]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: mno [00:39]
BingoBoingo http://www.foxsports.com/ufc/story/ufc-floyd-mayweather-ronda-rousey-help-her-with-boxing-jon-jones-daniel-cormier-111715 [00:39]
assbot Floyd Mayweather offers to help Ronda Rousey with her boxing | FOX Sports ... ( http://bit.ly/1QLoqrW ) [00:39]
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BingoBoingo From the "nailgun" files http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article45149373.html [01:06]
assbot Investigators: Why did fire victim’s car explode while he was washing it? | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1SXbFdf ) [01:06]
BingoBoingo "The new information that was disclosed Monday was that someone wrote a threatening message on the car that the victim, Howard Brown, was washing with a hose when the vehicle suddenly exploded and the gas tank caught on fire." [01:06]
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ben_vulpes what was mr brown engaged in that required a nailfun deployment? [01:13]
mircea_popescu ocean floor mining. [01:14]
asciilifeform l0l [01:14]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Living in Washington Park, its pretty ghetto. Like Mayor gets shot up at a stop sign ghetto. [01:16]
BingoBoingo brb, sleep [01:17]
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liquidassets Eat and drink with those that have great power, Sit with those, give them a plesant hour. You'll learn good from the good; those who are not, If you mix with them, spoil the sense you've got. [02:27]
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liquidassets ;;gettrust vexual [03:00]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user liquidassets to user vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=liquidassets&dest=vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=vexual | Rated since: never [03:00]
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adlai with great power, come great energy and fewer hours [05:18]
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deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The future for black organics. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/18/the-future-for-black-organics/ [05:30]
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ben_vulpes ;;later tell pete_dushenski clever turn with "black organics" [05:52]
gribble The operation succeeded. [05:52]
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punkman http://boingboing.net/2015/11/17/drm-in-welders.html [06:54]
assbot DRM in TIG welders / Boing Boing ... ( http://bit.ly/1l55fgy ) [06:54]
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punkman "The plan involved putting up posters on commuter trains in the capital, Jakarta, stating that HIV cannot be transmitted through mosquito bites, swimming, sneezing, saliva or sweat. But the printing company dropped the word “not” from the posters" [08:06]
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mircea_popescu punkman i really wish to understand how the fuck this "X can not happen" magic started for hiv, and why it continues. [09:57]
mircea_popescu how the fuck do you know it CAN'T ? for one thing, it CAN. for another thing, why the fuck is taxpayer paying for this. [09:57]
mircea_popescu a) you don't go around putting up posters saying obesity "can't" give you tuberculosis. [09:57]
mircea_popescu b) you don't go around putting up posters saying smoking can't make you stupid. [09:58]
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BingoBoingo http://new.spectator.co.uk/2014/04/why-id-rather-have-hiv-than-diabetes/ [10:10]
assbot As a doctor, I’d rather have HIV than diabetes » The Spectator ... ( http://bit.ly/1S3W9v7 ) [10:10]
mircea_popescu i dunno, someone's catamite must have got hiv early on or something, you'd think it's been kissed by the gods, this disease. [10:11]
mircea_popescu i mean seriously, advertisement campaigns PRO hiv ? where the fuck is the "stop eating like a pig, it'll kill you and it costs us money" stuff every good socialist country filled the train stations with ? [10:12]
BingoBoingo It's a fucking train wreck [10:12]
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BingoBoingo Also, these are the mayo Groupon actually hires https://i.sli.mg/m6n3dI.jpg [10:15]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1S3WC0D ) [10:15]
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BingoBoingo Anyways, the way HIV is lionized it probably won't be long before the US FDA approves it as a treatment for allergies [10:24]
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punkman mircea_popescu: punkman i really wish to understand how the fuck this "X can not happen" magic started for hiv, and why it continues. << starts in school when talking about STDs or disease transmission in general [10:27]
mircea_popescu nobody goes "you can't catch gonorhea from fucking 10k partners" [10:28]
mircea_popescu nobody goes "boys are pretty much immune to vd, it's the girls that get it" [10:28]
mircea_popescu what's so special about hiv ? [10:28]
davout you eventually die from it!!11 [10:29]
mircea_popescu nobody goes "fluoride, which we add to tap water, is a poison" [10:30]
mircea_popescu all sorts of actual untruths are pushed, all sorts of marginal if inconvenient truths are systematically ignored, what made this particular minor lie so popular with the "educators" ? [10:30]
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mircea_popescu http://boingboing.net/2015/11/14/copyfraud-anne-frank-foundati.html [10:41]
mircea_popescu heh [10:41]
assbot Copyfraud: Anne Frank Foundation claims father was "co-author," extends copyright by decades / Boing Boing ... ( http://bit.ly/1PNF6yg ) [10:41]
davout ;;isup qntra [10:45]
gribble qntra is up [10:45]
davout lies [10:45]
shinohai What did you expect? They're Jews ^^ [10:45]
* mircea_popescu is kinda curious whether/if someone is finally going to bite the bullet and make themselves useful by making an actual host. [10:46]
mircea_popescu incredible how THIS MUCH has been a bridge too far for what, years now. [10:46]
mircea_popescu guaranteed business, etc, what exactly is going on, raining money where you people live ? obamacare paychecks ? [10:46]
punkman guaranteed ddos too [10:49]
mircea_popescu yes. da fuck do you care, colocate the boxes and let them ddos until they fall over. [10:49]
mircea_popescu at which point buy new ones. [10:49]
asciilifeform waitasec, i thought mircea_popescu was building the 'useful host' thing [10:52]
jurov he wants only to resell and leverage [10:53]
shinohai I'll host it on my pog xD [10:53]
shinohai *pogoplug [10:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i can only hire people. [10:53]
punkman maybe a good time to make a list of what "useful host" should be [10:53]
mircea_popescu that's what i do. i'm a business man. i can't actually do anything. [10:53]
mircea_popescu punkman the list is a year old, you've seen all the discussions in the logs with jurov naphex and the coupla people before i forgot ? [10:54]
mircea_popescu just colocate some god damned boxes already. [10:54]
asciilifeform well yes, 'building' in the sense that stalin built [10:54]
mircea_popescu hey, i been tryin'. [10:55]
asciilifeform but the basic boojum is described in one of mircea_popescu's own articles: a datacenter is 'a fortress' [10:55]
mircea_popescu webtard forums are chock full of kids that "started their web host" and wanna sell stuff on a shoelace [10:55]
asciilifeform i.e. a geographic concentration suitable for enemy to pincer and destroy [10:55]
mircea_popescu wouldja forget the "basic bojum" approach ? [10:55]
mircea_popescu it's dumb, seriously. [10:55]
mircea_popescu there is no bojum, basic or otherwise. theyre's just work to fucking do! [10:56]
asciilifeform if the observation is mistaken, say how [10:56]
mircea_popescu in this : just god damned colo some boxes already. [10:56]
punkman asciilifeform: if destroyed, you buy new ones, as mentioned above [10:56]
asciilifeform i've thought about leasing a colo personally, simply out of frustration, but i live in pretty much the worst spot for it. [10:57]
mircea_popescu wh ythe fuck would you lease in the sticks. [10:59]
mircea_popescu there's datacenters from istanbul to peshawar, what the fuck already. [10:59]
asciilifeform i'd say 'cheap' but it isn't even cheap. [11:00]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326110 << if 'mosquito bites, swimming, sneezing, saliva or sweat' has any measurable ability to move the virus, southeast usa would look like pripyat. with wash,.d.c. and baltimore resembling the reactor zone. and known sufferers would be imprisoned in designated leprosoria. [11:00]
assbot Logged on 18-11-2015 12:53:43; mircea_popescu: punkman i really wish to understand how the fuck this "X can not happen" magic started for hiv, and why it continues. [11:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform do you see any ads about how leprosy "can't be contacted" ? [11:00]
asciilifeform not one. [11:00]
mircea_popescu then what are we discussing. [11:01]
mircea_popescu yes, i get it, it's marginal. [11:01]
jurov anyway, no hoster will solve your problems at this stage [11:01]
mircea_popescu you got about the same chances to get hiv from someone spitting in your eye as you got from gettign cancer fro msmoking [11:01]
mircea_popescu know what i mean ? [11:01]
asciilifeform well, my guess re: the propaganda is that it was meant to counter the moo notion that 'oh i'm doomed to get it anyway from mosquito, may as well share heroin syringe' [11:01]
mircea_popescu this is how this works now ? [11:02]
* asciilifeform does not know what happens in the head of the moo, can only conjecture [11:02]
mircea_popescu this is not the moo [11:02]
mircea_popescu this is billayers. [11:02]
asciilifeform the mupper herders ? [11:03]
asciilifeform *muppet [11:03]
mircea_popescu the "educator" class. [11:04]
mircea_popescu whatever you call them, aparatchik v2 [11:04]
jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326152 << when dc hears "bitcoin" they flee. i'd do it only if you agree to hide behind CDN or buy a trunk line [11:05]
assbot Logged on 18-11-2015 13:50:54; mircea_popescu: just colocate some god damned boxes already. [11:05]
asciilifeform 'Yasuomi Hirai, 28, allegedly hid in a drain under a Kobe, Japan sidewalk grate to peep up the skirts of women as they stepped over. "His hair got caught at the edge of the grate, which drew the attention of some pedestrians," a Hyogo prefectural police officer told AFP. Hirai has been arrested previously for the same offense. According to police, Hirai told them that he wants to be reincarnated as "part of pavement in the nex [11:05]
asciilifeform t life."' [11:05]
mircea_popescu jurov do you pay your rent in btc currently ? [11:06]
jurov no, i meant when they see it's used for bitcoin--related services [11:06]
jurov not even a rent [11:06]
mircea_popescu but i dun care what you meant. i care what i meant. and what i meant is, you don't live in the street because "if landlord hears btc he flees". [11:06]
mircea_popescu this is more important, not less important. you live in the street because "renter flees" before "there's no hosting because dc flees". [11:07]
mircea_popescu and if you disagree it's more important, here's a simple plan : go buy a knife, walk to the closest cop, and stick it in his gut. [11:07]
mircea_popescu you'll get rent free acommodation without any internet access for the rest of your life. [11:07]
jurov so, go do what you mean [11:08]
mircea_popescu pick either of these worldviews, they're both needed, and stick to it. what's not needed is the waffling exemplified by "basic bojum" [11:08]
mircea_popescu and no, i don't mean personally either of you. [11:08]
mircea_popescu but the point has to be made. [11:08]
mircea_popescu "if you need anything done gotta do it yourself", eh ? [11:09]
asciilifeform 'boojum' is not a devil to be worshipped, but an engineering problem, like, e.g., resistive loss in power line [11:09]
mircea_popescu to me it just reads "here's the justification", in this case. [11:10]
asciilifeform the answer is gossipd. or, in the short term, an 'octopus' topology with server(s) behind ciphered lines connected to a constellation of private exit proxies, similar to (iirc) what was used in mpex. [11:10]
mircea_popescu whereas no justification will keep our shit online, [11:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108950 @ 0.00051631 = 56.252 BTC [-] {4} [11:10]
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asciilifeform even the knife, i think, has a place in this. i.e. a dc where an actual wot member lives, with a rifle, would be an improvement over the present-day state of the art [11:11]
* shinohai would happily live in a dc with arms for the remainder of his existence .... [11:12]
mircea_popescu not unless you're actually willing to use the rifle. [11:12]
asciilifeform naturally [11:12]
asciilifeform it won't aim & fire itself. [11:12]
mircea_popescu a rifle token is anti-useful. [11:12]
asciilifeform aha. [11:12]
mircea_popescu and honestly, i am not terribly impressed with propaganda of the deed as a means to enact change. [11:12]
mircea_popescu seems to me keeping functional servers is superior. [11:13]
asciilifeform but how else do you keep weasels from ~quietly~ carting off the boxes? [11:13]
asciilifeform mine field ? [11:13]
mircea_popescu by having a bunch of them. [11:14]
asciilifeform hence the octopus. but without some physical discouragement, they will simply take the legs of the octopus one by one. [11:15]
mircea_popescu none of this is god damned rocket science already. it just needs someone to actually do it, instead of meditation. [11:15]
mircea_popescu shinohai where do you live ? [11:16]
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shinohai mircea_popescu: I live in Atlanta. [11:17]
mircea_popescu well, what do you do for a living ? [11:17]
shinohai I'm "retired" due to an influx of lawsuit cash. [11:18]
mircea_popescu o.O [11:18]
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mircea_popescu was this some personal injury thing, or was this where you're actually a nuisance lawyer ? [11:18]
shinohai Got injured in accident, made sorta decent payday [11:18]
mircea_popescu aha. [11:18]
mircea_popescu you ever owned a company before ? [11:19]
shinohai Unlike my fellow litigants, I hired someone to plan out my monies so I didn't have to go on dole. [11:19]
shinohai Never owned company. [11:19]
mircea_popescu so what do you do / did yo udo for a living ? [11:19]
mircea_popescu !gettrust shinohai [11:19]
assbot Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user shinohai: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=shinohai | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/shinohai/ [11:20]
shinohai Wrote safety SOPs for companies to keep them in osha compliance [11:20]
shinohai Someone didn't bother reading said SOP's [11:20]
mircea_popescu well, what did you go to school for ? [11:20]
shinohai Nothing, my parents thought college was a waste because Jesus was coming back or something. So, education by doing. [11:21]
mircea_popescu well, do you actually want to start a company ? [11:22]
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shinohai If it is a *bitcoin* company then mayhap yes [11:23]
mircea_popescu what's your idea of bitcoin company ? [11:24]
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shinohai Something that pays entirely in sovereign bitcoin. [11:26]
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mircea_popescu heh. you got some waiting to do then. [11:28]
shinohai ^.^ [11:28]
shinohai But basically qntra et all need a sane place to host their respective pages? I must research this "host" thing in lawgs. [11:31]
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mircea_popescu what you, or at any rate someone, has to do is research a sane jurisdiction, register a company, find some datacenters, enter into service agreements, research some providers, buy some hardware, have it delivered etc. [11:32]
kakobrekla but why hasnt someone done this yet? margins too thin, bitcoin too poorfags. [11:33]
mircea_popescu this is, like any "start-up my own business", a 12 to 16 hours a day sort of investment, no ifs or buts about it. [11:33]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla "basic bojum". like everything else. [11:33]
asciilifeform kakobrekla, mircea_popescu: right now it looks rather like a 'die for the motherland!' sorta investment. hence no takerz. [11:33]
kakobrekla hehe [11:33]
mircea_popescu anyway : unlike the average start-up my own business thing (which yes, 90% fail anyway) you have some major advantages, in that you're not coming up with an idea and hoping a market finds you, but on the contrary, the fgucking market is begging you alreadyt. [11:34]
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asciilifeform whatever happened to the old-fashioned 'bulletproof spam hosting' types ? [11:35]
mircea_popescu contrary to any justifications people use to explain to themselves why they aren't picking this very juicy, extremely low hanging fruit (which plenty might even be right in doing, but not usually for the reasons they give - it's more like, they suck at doing the slow, patient, dilligent sort of work that this, like all bureaucracy entails, etc) [11:35]
kakobrekla recent 'protonmail' ddos brought down whole datacenter, not a single box or a rack. [11:35]
mircea_popescu the fact remains it's by far juicier and lower hanging than anything they do. [11:36]
kakobrekla you need to fix internet first (check alfs drawer) then you can have cookies [11:37]
mircea_popescu noty. [11:37]
kakobrekla add to list. [11:37]
mircea_popescu this nonsense where "we have to x before we can y" is how ustardian women get to be 30+ and "waiting for a baby". [11:37]
mircea_popescu we can y. right now. [11:37]
kakobrekla go ahead. [11:37]
mircea_popescu the only reason we aren't is a) impotence ; b) no b. [11:37]
asciilifeform i mean i get it, mircea_popescu is stalin and не шагу назад and human wave attacks do have merit and occasionally do the job. but the kind of thing proposed here is inherently not a 'mass' product. [11:38]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla do you understand what psychic defenses work / what they are ? [11:38]
asciilifeform it would have to cost an order of magnitude more than conventional hoster [11:38]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform there is no human wave attack involved in all of this for the love of christ. [11:38]
asciilifeform so the client list would be: mircea_popescu [11:38]
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mircea_popescu it's just people being needed that do ~well~ things you don't like and don't understand (these two not necessarily unrelated). [11:39]
kakobrekla i am all ears [11:39]
asciilifeform hosting market is full of folks who didn't 'stupidly wait for x before y' and 'just did it.' but it seems like their offerings are not cutting it ? [11:41]
mircea_popescu i have yet to find one. [11:41]
asciilifeform wherever the old box was. [11:41]
asciilifeform and the one before it. [11:41]
mircea_popescu "hosting market" is full of what happens after you've run your magic propaganda on a market : insane kids, and americans. [11:41]
asciilifeform what i was asking is, what is to distinguish this new, magical and heroic hoster from the 1,000,001 existing ones? [11:41]
asciilifeform the mega-special love for the motherland ? [11:42]
mircea_popescu because you sit there and try and convince everyone that hey, "human wave" and "basic bojum" and whatever other avatars, because you personally need to explain to yourself why you aren't doing it. the thing is that it wouldn't be your job to do ANYWAY! this needs no fucking explaining already. [11:42]
mircea_popescu but it is irresponsible, bcause what's left after all that poison, is all the people for whom it'd be a great job and a great living not doing it. [11:42]
mircea_popescu and since the demand still exists, what fill it are marginal drug addicts/teenagers/random idiots, [11:43]
mircea_popescu ie, society's always-on sclerotic tissue. [11:43]
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asciilifeform i get it, 'stfu about the line of german pillboxes already, you're demoralizing the men' [11:43]
mircea_popescu mno. [11:43]
mircea_popescu stfu about how you need a robotic hand to turn on the tap to have a drink of water. [11:43]
mircea_popescu a) there's no "germs" and b) people have been drinking water before you were born. [11:44]
mircea_popescu and thank you very much for the credit, but if i'll actually ever need or want a "human wave", i'll fucking say that. in those words. [11:44]
mircea_popescu because i also know what words mean and that they exist, fancy that! [11:45]
asciilifeform if indeed this is a problem that merely needs 'will' to solve, and no technical improvements, i might simply be lacking the necessary lsd to grasp it. [11:45]
shinohai I have yet to try lsd, perhaps I should. >.. [11:45]
mircea_popescu dude seriously... are you currently living out of your car because basic bojum with landlords ? [11:45]
jurov landlords nor water have ddos potential. try harder, mircea_popescu [11:46]
mircea_popescu orly, they don't ? [11:46]
mircea_popescu !s slovenia floods [11:47]
assbot 0 results for 'slovenia floods' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=slovenia+floods [11:47]
mircea_popescu awww. gotta travel more. [11:47]
asciilifeform if my house got routinely 'ddosed' (e.g. the classic dump-gravel-in-his-road trick) again and again, may very well be reduced to living in a car. [11:47]
mircea_popescu !s argentina floods [11:47]
assbot 0 results for 'argentina floods' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=argentina+floods [11:47]
jurov floods can be fucking insured against [11:47]
mircea_popescu odd, i thought the icazu thing was mentioned. [11:47]
shinohai !s Guatemalan floods [11:47]
assbot 0 results for 'Guatemalan floods' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Guatemalan+floods [11:47]
mircea_popescu jurov business is business yo. everything can be fucking insured against. [11:47]
jurov mircea_popescu: age you going to insure me for ddos if rent a box? [11:47]
jurov *are [11:48]
mircea_popescu me ? [11:48]
asciilifeform afaik, offering a guarantee against ddosing is cost-prohibitive. and insuring against ddos is 'moral hazard' as one can ddos self without leaving evidence. [11:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform same is true of floods. [11:48]
jurov mircea_popescu: anyone. i just want to inllustrate your poor analogies [11:49]
asciilifeform aha which is why 'flood insurance' is the domain of usg [11:49]
mircea_popescu sooo... how are my analogies poor. [11:49]
jurov how can be ddos === flood if noone will insure the former? [11:49]
mircea_popescu ektbe [11:49]
mircea_popescu "no one will insure either" "everyone will insure both to the same degree". [11:49]
jurov "at all" is now just a difference of degree? [11:50]
asciilifeform afaik no one has ever artificially caused a flood to claim flood insurance [11:50]
asciilifeform nor is this a practical thing [11:50]
mircea_popescu we kinda need to stop this conversation based on what you imagine the world could be, it's unpleasant. [11:51]
jurov indeed it is unpleasant [11:51]
mircea_popescu no, to you it's unpleasant for the right reasons. to me it's unpleasant for the wrong reasons. [11:52]
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shinohai This guy caused a flood, for entirely different reasons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Scott_(criminal) [11:55]
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shinohai still! [11:55]
mircea_popescu shinohai you don't understand the magical power of "afaik" in defense of the holy "basic bojum". [11:56]
asciilifeform shinohai: 'i heard that ivan won a car in the lotto.' 'yes! but not ivan but piotr, not a car but an overcoat, not in lotto but at cards, and not won but lost' [11:58]
mircea_popescu what are you talking about! [11:59]
asciilifeform 'flood but not for insurance' [11:59]
mircea_popescu and you know this how ? [12:00]
mircea_popescu afaik ? [12:00]
asciilifeform i have nfi. [12:00]
mircea_popescu no meta-nsa active here ? [12:00]
mircea_popescu wouldn't you expect if i hired a tramp to flood my business for the insurance his story would be "he wanted to strand his wife so he could fish and have an affair" ? [12:01]
asciilifeform when i say 'afaik' i really mean it. open to being shown the counterexample. or at least proof-of-existence [12:01]
asciilifeform but yes, it is possible to cause a flood. but can this be compared with the ease of setting up a ddos, and untraceably ? [12:01]
mircea_popescu sometimes. some other times you mean you've just said something on the basis of self-perceived needs, not on the basis of reality. [12:01]
asciilifeform reality as seen through this 2cm hole in this here tank. [12:02]
mircea_popescu the quantification argument is really fucking stupid already. who the fuck cares if "ddos". [12:02]
mircea_popescu so the server gets backed up. ok. so ? [12:02]
asciilifeform so if no problem, buy a class B ip block, and have all 16 bits of it be trilema. [12:03]
mircea_popescu ... [12:03]
asciilifeform distributed among N conventional boxes. [12:03]
mircea_popescu which is what we're here trying to do. [12:03]
asciilifeform ddos is really an artifact of dns [12:03]
mircea_popescu thanks for finally giving it the permission to be ? i guess ? [12:04]
asciilifeform sorta what i meant by 'human wave' - which i've no problem with personally [12:04]
mircea_popescu sigh. [12:05]
mircea_popescu what "human wave" means is that those people are going to get killed. [12:05]
* asciilifeform signed up to be killed, still waiting, even this is slow nowadays [12:05]
mircea_popescu on examination i have no fucking idea what i've been spending my time on for the past coupla hours, [12:07]
mircea_popescu but let's suppose it must have been worthwhile. [12:07]
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jurov effectively using class B is very different thing from "just get me a box somewhere".. if mircea_popescu specifies the latter, then no wonder time is wasted [12:11]
mircea_popescu !s "just get me a box somewhere" [12:12]
assbot 0 results for '"just get me a box somewhere"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22just+get+me+a+box+somewhere%22 [12:12]
mircea_popescu !s "company" [12:12]
assbot 3417 results for '"company"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22company%22 [12:12]
jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326162 << this [12:13]
assbot Logged on 18-11-2015 13:52:49; mircea_popescu: in this : just god damned colo some boxes already. [12:13]
mircea_popescu and ? [12:14]
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thestringpuller a whole week of ddos [12:17]
thestringpuller how uncanny, and annoying [12:17]
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jurov and what? looks like you have very different idea than people who actually touched it [12:19]
jurov that's all [12:20]
mircea_popescu who are those people that "actually touched it" and what did they touch ? [12:21]
mircea_popescu i offer exactly 0 credit to this. [12:21]
mircea_popescu but anyway, got a meeting, so we're going to continue the insanity later. [12:22]
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kakobrekla https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpsT12dSbMw [12:42]
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pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: cheers :) [12:53]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2015#1325797 << enjoyable read [12:56]
assbot Logged on 17-11-2015 13:45:44; punkman: http://pseudoerasmus.com/2014/10/24/szabo-china/ [12:56]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2015#1325800 << even more splendid analysis thereof [12:56]
assbot Logged on 17-11-2015 13:57:52; mircea_popescu: anyway, the guy has a point, and szabo's theory is not merely just silly, it's a sympthom of a larger western pathology (he's basically looking for an excuse, ANY excuse, just as long as it doesn't come to *a better quality of people*, because he's nuts with this racism bullcrap like the rest of the anglos.) [12:56]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326110 << same party line with bed bugs, as it happens. [12:57]
assbot Logged on 18-11-2015 12:53:43; mircea_popescu: punkman i really wish to understand how the fuck this "X can not happen" magic started for hiv, and why it continues. [12:57]
pete_dushenski 'public health'-tards INSIST that these rather robust blood sucking insects CANNOT TRANSMIT DISEASE [12:58]
pete_dushenski because absence of evidence is evidence of absence in their small, small mental worlds [12:59]
thestringpuller oh pete_dushenski you so cray cray [12:59]
thestringpuller quoting the boondocks [12:59]
pete_dushenski oh. did i ? [12:59]
thestringpuller https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w5JqQLqqTc [12:59]
thestringpuller ^- see for yourself ;) [13:00]
pete_dushenski lol cartoonists read taleb (and ancients) eh [13:01]
pete_dushenski and/or are fans of rumsfeld [13:01]
thestringpuller and pulp fiction [13:02]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326126 << if rumours are to be believed, then the star of 'hot shots part deux', charlie sheen, is what's so special about hiv [13:03]
assbot Logged on 18-11-2015 13:25:18; mircea_popescu: what's so special about hiv ? [13:03]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller: i need to rewatch pulp fiction. i can barely recall it, it's been so long. [13:04]
thestringpuller pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtXF2j5JAds << the relevant part [13:05]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326140 << it hasn't rained much money this year, but nor has it been a decade+. so yea, making own dc is 'too hard' [13:06]
assbot Logged on 18-11-2015 13:43:20; mircea_popescu: guaranteed business, etc, what exactly is going on, raining money where you people live ? obamacare paychecks ? [13:06]
BingoBoingo afaik no one has ever artificially caused a flood to claim flood insurance << James Scott, but not for insurance... to strand wife [13:06]
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BingoBoingo wouldn't you expect if i hired a tramp to flood my business for the insurance his story would be "he wanted to strand his wife so he could fish and have an affair" ? << lol [13:07]
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pete_dushenski and who might you be ? [13:12]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326236 << therealbitcoin testers really do come in all shapes and sizes :) [13:16]
assbot Logged on 18-11-2015 14:16:45; shinohai: Wrote safety SOPs for companies to keep them in osha compliance [13:16]
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pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326256 << this situation is probably more confusing to the soi-dissant 'entreprenuer' than anything else imagineable. 'what, you don't want me to solve a problem that i think is a problem because reasons ? what, you don't want me to develop an app to disrupt industry x while simultaneously bending over backwards to comply with every last damn regulation designed to [13:25]
pete_dushenski ensure the continued survival and persistence of industry x in its present state ? IMPOSSIBRU' [13:25]
assbot Logged on 18-11-2015 14:30:33; mircea_popescu: anyway : unlike the average start-up my own business thing (which yes, 90% fail anyway) you have some major advantages, in that you're not coming up with an idea and hoping a market finds you, but on the contrary, the fgucking market is begging you alreadyt. [13:25]
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punkman in other nyooz http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/18/technology/microsoft-once-infested-with-security-flaws-does-an-about-face.html [13:30]
assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBxTgn ) [13:30]
davout s/dissant/disant/ btw [13:30]
punkman "Microsoft Sheds Reputation as an Easy Mark for Hackers" [13:30]
pete_dushenski davout: well aware. it's like oppinion, (`) instead of (,), and (s) instead of (z) : an affectation [13:31]
pete_dushenski "“My goal inside the company is to get rid of passwords,” said Bret Arsenault, Microsoft’s chief information security officer." [13:32]
pete_dushenski "“Microsoft sees itself as a good corporate citizen,” he said. “They don’t want to deliver products that thwart government.”" [13:32]
pete_dushenski g-g-g-gooooold [13:32]
pete_dushenski 'we are a tentacle of usg and our policy is to keep cattle inside the fenceposts. thank you for shopping with msft' [13:33]
davout guess the french language is getting slaughtered too by the -asset terrorists thenè [13:33]
davout ! [13:33]
pete_dushenski slaughterèd ! [13:33]
davout precisely [13:34]
pete_dushenski it's like a romanov-era aristocrat growing out his fingernails to show off that he didn't have to do manual labour : do it because you can [13:35]
pete_dushenski if you can, you must ! [13:36]
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pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG-Wt0dAm_U << o hey look what i stumbled across :P [13:38]
assbot Le Bitcoin Show - Premier Episode 001 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PNQUk1 ) [13:38]
pete_dushenski davout v. magicaltux [13:38]
davout o boy [13:39]
pete_dushenski if looks could kill, karpeles woulda dropped dead 4 years ago from that interview alone [13:40]
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shinohai ty pete_dushenski though at times meds cause retarded thoughts! [13:45]
pete_dushenski retired thoughts ! [13:45]
shinohai >.> [13:45]
pete_dushenski ;;ticker [13:47]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 334.46, Best ask: 334.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 334.5, 24 hour volume: 15004.56635689, 24 hour low: 327.91, 24 hour high: 338.99, 24 hour vwap: None [13:47]
pete_dushenski back to the ol' tight range, a hundred bucks higher than the last one, but a tight little range nonetheless [13:48]
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pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-11-2015#1325476 << 'Venmo, PayPal's (PYPL) peer-to-peer payment app, has grown quickly and attracted a lot of attention, but that has yet to translate into actual profit for PayPal.' [13:53]
assbot Logged on 16-11-2015 22:48:52; phf: venmo is "big" with college crowd, on account of having better "apps" support. if you're building anything for that crowd, you would carefully consider using venmo as an alternative to paypal [13:53]
pete_dushenski i guess venmo and paypal aren't so distinct after all. [13:54]
pete_dushenski 'Venmo's core peer-to-peer service doesn't cost its users anything, so the company doesn't make money from it.' [13:54]
pete_dushenski anyways, enough of that. [13:55]
shinohai Then what good is it ? [13:55]
shinohai :P [13:55]
pete_dushenski what good it is ? branding, i guess. [13:55]
shinohai I guess, but people are fickle with brands, no? [13:56]
pete_dushenski bbias [13:57]
punkman they bought it at some point [13:58]
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326379 << i think these are the same cats mircea_popescu saw in istanbul ! [14:29]
assbot Logged on 18-11-2015 15:38:50; kakobrekla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpsT12dSbMw [14:29]
ascii_field 'Microsoft’s chief executive, Satya Nadella, says he is listening. On Tuesday, he delivered a speech to government technology workers in Washington about the importance of security in the technology business and how Microsoft has evolved to confront security threats.' [14:37]
ascii_field ahahahahahahaha [14:37]
ascii_field l0l! [14:37]
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ascii_field i suppose usg really does believe in the deeply magical powers of pr juice [14:38]
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326389 << if mosquito could move the virus, i and everybody i know in meatspace would be long dead. [14:44]
assbot Logged on 18-11-2015 15:55:09; pete_dushenski: 'public health'-tards INSIST that these rather robust blood sucking insects CANNOT TRANSMIT DISEASE [14:44]
ascii_field what part of this is so complicated. [14:44]
pete_dushenski aha. not just hiv though. ANY AND ALL DISEASE. [14:44]
ascii_field some pathogens move in mosquito, others - not. [14:45]
pete_dushenski i was referring to bed bugs specifically [14:45]
pete_dushenski go, check 'current literature' [14:45]
pete_dushenski said 'literature' would have you believe that bed bugs cannot be vectors for any known pathogens [14:46]
ascii_field typhus [14:46]
ascii_field elementarily [14:46]
ascii_field 1700s 'state of the art'. [14:46]
pete_dushenski ;;google typhus bed bugs [14:47]
gribble STUDIES ON TYPHUS FEVER: III. STUDIES OF LICE AND ...: ; Bedbugs, fleas, lice, ticks and mites - World Health Organization: ; Myths and Facts about Bed Bugs - Modern Pest: [14:47]
pete_dushenski bed bugs 'possibly play a role as vectors of hepatitis b virus' [14:48]
pete_dushenski 'The rat flea is important as a vector of bubonic plague and flea-borne typhus.' [14:49]
* ascii_field won't be surprised to see a usg 'official truth' where 'bedbug is harmless and is a wonderful ethnic diversity gift !111111' [14:49]
pete_dushenski different creatures, the Cimex lectularius and Rickettsia typhi [14:51]
pete_dushenski ascii_field: this is 'nyc official truth' afaik [14:52]
ascii_field pete_dushenski: horse and rider [14:57]
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pete_dushenski or dog and tick [14:58]
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pete_dushenski "Georgetown University will rename two buildings on campus — Mulledy Hall and McSherry Hall — that are currently named after slaveowners, following protests and sit-ins from students demanding increased awareness about the institution’s racial legacy. Georgetown students argue that the university needs to acknowledge the ways the university was built on slavery and to foster more discussion on the universi [15:01]
pete_dushenski ty climate for students of color." [15:01]
pete_dushenski should rename buildings after university president, who couldn't POSSIBLY own slaves... because tuition ! [15:01]
ascii_field when do we get to rename washington.,dc ?? [15:01]
ascii_field slaveown3r!!!111111 [15:01]
pete_dushenski childpr0nist !11 [15:02]
pete_dushenski etc [15:02]
pete_dushenski just rename whole country : "monolithic federation of property graciously donated by indians" [15:03]
trinque the glorious cousinland of walmartia [15:05]
pete_dushenski "The Russian passenger jet that crashed over Sinai, Egypt, was brought down by a bomb estimated to contain 1 kilogram (2.2 pounds) of explosives, the head of the Russian Federal Security Service said Tuesday, and the Russian government is offering a $50 million reward for information about those who brought it down." [15:06]
ascii_field pete_dushenski: supposedly isis supposedly released supposed photo of the thing a few hrs ago. [15:06]
ascii_field with attached 'bwahahaha' [15:06]
pete_dushenski (bw)aha [15:06]
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pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/liveuamap/status/666653079824109569 << tu-95 back in action ? mebbe ! [15:08]
ascii_field pete_dushenski: they get flown near uk regularly [15:08]
ascii_field legendarily, world's loudest flying machine [15:08]
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pete_dushenski off to the races, aces ! [15:16]
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punkman http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3323196/Shooting-breaks-Paris-suburb-anti-terrorist-operation.html [15:18]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski as confusing to the wanna-be entrepreneur as it might be, it's apparently very threatening to the wanna-be "intellectual", or whatever we call this new (hardly, lol) species of human that aims to inhabit a world of ideas. [15:38]
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mircea_popescu ahahahahahahaha << dun laugh, your tax dollars at work. [15:41]
mircea_popescu if mosquito could move the virus, i and everybody i know in meatspace would be long dead. << this is a red herring. if cigarettes caused cancer the world would have ended in 1920. [15:41]
mircea_popescu "oh, wait, i didn't mean each individual one". mk. [15:41]
mircea_popescu ascii_field: this is 'nyc official truth' afaik << it has to be. chiefly because "diversity" has brought nyc back into the 1800s. the early 1800s. [15:42]
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punkman http://i.imgur.com/zOvNMLX.jpg [15:44]
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BingoBoingo legendarily, world's loudest flying machine << Solid candidate for when it is time for MPEx to list S.AIRLINE [16:04]
thestringpuller ^- i was hoping we'd see S.SPACESHIP first [16:05]
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ascii_field s.nuke [16:06]
BingoBoingo Well, how else is Tu-95 going to defend against missles than with nuke [16:07]
ascii_field l0l, defend [16:07]
BingoBoingo Of course defend, carry big enough nuke to obliterate anything within anti-plane missile range of Tu-95 [16:07]
BingoBoingo best defense is good offense [16:08]
BingoBoingo Coming soon to future USia where HGH is trialed in treating childhood obeastity http://galesvillefiredepartment.org/kc9eci/hamabout.jpg [16:08]
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326507 << oh ferfuxxsake, when do we start converting sprint wheat to winter wheat with the power of revolutionary zeal, unlike stinking intellectualz who prattle on about impossibility ..? [16:09]
assbot Logged on 18-11-2015 18:35:15; mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski as confusing to the wanna-be entrepreneur as it might be, it's apparently very threatening to the wanna-be "intellectual", or whatever we call this new (hardly, lol) species of human that aims to inhabit a world of ideas. [16:09]
ascii_field *spring wheat [16:09]
BingoBoingo ascii_field: USia already sells corn and soy as both wheats [16:10]
ascii_field mircea_popescu looked like he was about to have aneurism. please don't! i did not want to piss on his parade, but must point out that if $magichost folks do the same exact thing as the last 1,001 folks, they will get... same result [16:11]
ascii_field unless i got transported to some magical universe as i slept [16:11]
BingoBoingo ascii_field: How are you sure you aren't still asleep? [16:13]
mircea_popescu what "same thing" is that, and how do you know who did what and what caused who and what'll happen ? [16:13]
ascii_field classical colo box ? [16:13]
jurov i see it as mp wanting something like thepiratebay [16:13]
ascii_field thepiratebay is dead... [16:14]
jurov was not for a long time [16:14]
mircea_popescu no, it's not like mp wanting something like thepiratebay. it's like mp wanting something like actual people at actual work doing actual business. [16:14]
punkman still up and showing ads last time I checked [16:14]
ascii_field punkman: iirc it got usg-hijacked and now logs ip [16:14]
mircea_popescu and there is no "classical" colo box. nor do you personally know anyone who has done this. [16:14]
punkman ascii_field: why is log ip important, who doesn't log ip? [16:15]
mircea_popescu ironically, bitbet doesn't log ips. [16:15]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: i only know folks who rent from 1 to 42U in some cage, like ordinary plebes, in one particular dc [16:15]
mircea_popescu and what happened to them ? [16:15]
ascii_field well nobody gives a rat's arse, never saw how it stands up to ddos [16:16]
mircea_popescu so then what do you know ? [16:16]
ascii_field only that mircea_popescu's last 2 or so boxes, fell down ? [16:16]
mircea_popescu let's not confuse actual intellectuals discussing winter/summer wheat with weirdo kids sitting on ass discussing "the truth of everything" [16:16]
ascii_field (is all i know) [16:16]
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mircea_popescu yes. well, if you're curious to know what i know, as a result of you know, actual immediate interraction with the thing in question, [16:17]
* ascii_field will leave the subject alone, to qualified sorcerers, e.g., jurov [16:17]
jurov all i know such thing does not exist anymore. either you use cloudflare, or become cloudflare, or suffer. [16:18]
jurov this means i'm not qualified, either [16:18]
mircea_popescu it's that the market is very sharply divided : you have the actual professionals, part of an actually professional tradition. these are, without exception, white men living in the west. and consequently they suffer from the mental diseases incumbent on watching too much dead empire tv. [16:18]
mircea_popescu you also have the retarded kids, working outside of the west, but ALSO outside of the actual work ethic of the west. [16:18]
ascii_field ^^ yes ! ^^ [16:18]
mircea_popescu it is plain as day to me that there exists no natural occurence of "we'll just on our own power take this from there and this from here". [16:19]
mircea_popescu but whether it occurs natrually or not, IT MUST BE DONE [16:19]
mircea_popescu this is not some sort of minimally interesting / not such a big deal / whatever thing. [16:19]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: if you buy a boat and wanna start pulling own fiber across the sea, sign me up. [16:19]
mircea_popescu this is fundamental. if we, for whatever value of "we" you wish to choose, can not and do not transplant one on the other, we will have failed. [16:19]
mircea_popescu this is the whole story. [16:19]
* ascii_field recalls trying to convince mircea_popescu of precisely this but re: chip fab [16:20]
mircea_popescu and i will particularly not stand to this absolutely noxious attitude. [16:20]
mircea_popescu let me give you a pro tip : pretty much all women i currently own were involved in a relationship when we met. two thirds of them were involved in a relationship with a dude who "can't X until Y". [16:20]
mircea_popescu if you imagine this strategy works in any case, shape or form, you've just not lived long enough. [16:20]
mircea_popescu it ALWAYS fails. always. it has never yet worked, it has never yet failed. [16:21]
mircea_popescu i dunno how to put it more plainly, nor does it seem likely the effort's not wasted. [16:21]
thestringpuller invest in the present not the future? [16:21]
mircea_popescu it has never yet not* failed. [16:21]
BingoBoingo From the I can't even files https://archive.is/jJV8H [16:22]
assbot For rapist men : fatacceptance ... ( http://bit.ly/1H94Unj ) [16:22]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: consider writing article re: the thing that ought to be done by the courageous in re: hosters ? [16:22]
mircea_popescu it's in the fucking log. [16:22]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326162 << this ? [16:22]
assbot Logged on 18-11-2015 13:52:49; mircea_popescu: in this : just god damned colo some boxes already. [16:22]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326249 [16:22]
assbot Logged on 18-11-2015 14:28:48; mircea_popescu: what you, or at any rate someone, has to do is research a sane jurisdiction, register a company, find some datacenters, enter into service agreements, research some providers, buy some hardware, have it delivered etc. [16:22]
ascii_field iirc jurov did some variant of this ? [16:23]
jurov none [16:23]
jurov why do you think? [16:23]
mircea_popescu i don't recall the name of his company. [16:23]
mircea_popescu what was it ? [16:23]
jurov i just offered to rent hetzner box so far [16:23]
mircea_popescu tyvm. [16:23]
kakobrekla hetzner will nullroute when you reach x packets a second, doesnt even have to be ddos [16:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46068 @ 0.00050841 = 23.4214 BTC [-] {5} [16:25]
mircea_popescu besides the point anyway. datacenters in the us or its phriends are off the table anyway. you all may feel just fine about paying the usg, but i'm not. [16:25]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: and moscow ? [16:25]
mircea_popescu maybe. certainly worth a shot, see how dumb they are. [16:26]
kakobrekla but you are now paying phoenixnap, an american company. [16:26]
ascii_field i looked into a few in m [16:26]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla so i am. [16:26]
ascii_field quite appealing, at least on paper [16:26]
ascii_field and very attractive prices, iirc [16:26]
kakobrekla its seems you dont feel enoug not-fine. [16:27]
kakobrekla enough [16:27]
mircea_popescu hey, it was slated for replacement years ago [16:27]
mircea_popescu iuf you recall, like the first mpex listing was a fucking hoster [16:28]
kakobrekla vps hoster. [16:28]
mircea_popescu turned out it was run by random addict and it's contemptible friends [16:28]
mircea_popescu you gotta start somewhere! [16:28]
* ascii_field remembers this [16:28]
thestringpuller bitvps, what a sad sad story [16:28]
* ascii_field even tried to use it once [16:28]
mircea_popescu you gotta raise the kids yourself, because everyone's parents have been a coupla dog vomits and there's no adults inhabiting the world. [16:28]
mircea_popescu iot's what it is. [16:28]
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BingoBoingo turned out it was run by random addict and it's contemptible friends << Qntra was edited by two drunks. [16:33]
mircea_popescu it only becomes "two drunks" once there's nothing else left to say. [16:34]
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mircea_popescu when's that BingoBoingo ? [16:39]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Next Thursday so Thanksgiving. Next club meeting after that is the Friday. [16:40]
mircea_popescu aha [16:40]
BingoBoingo Given those really bad early DDoS attacks seems kinda like the upper limit for the duration of one of these things [16:41]
mircea_popescu yeah, well, so far an entire cluster is awol. [16:48]
mircea_popescu i'm unpersuaded it has anything to do with any ddos. [16:48]
lobbes i'm unpersuaded it has anything to do with any ddos << when I attempt to ping, I get the 'can't find host' message rather than just 100% packet loss [16:55]
lobbes not sure if that means anything one way or the other [16:55]
mircea_popescu lobbes "a whole cluster" means, the front server, the db server, the backup server, nameservers, the works. [16:56]
mircea_popescu if you try and ping by domain name it can't resolve ; if you try and ping by ip it can't route. [16:56]
BingoBoingo And the "hosts" missing too? [16:57]
mircea_popescu myeah. [16:58]
mircea_popescu well, just the owner. the chicks still around being all weirded out by the novel situation. [16:58]
BingoBoingo I guess someone put the "bulletproof" to the test. [16:59]
mircea_popescu who knows, maybe my recent "go burn down missouri state" article got some random dude imprisoned. [16:59]
BingoBoingo Nah, Missouri State is a completely different campus [16:59]
mircea_popescu whatever it waS. [17:00]
mircea_popescu anyway, for all i know dude went binge drinking sold the servers to pay strip club bill. [17:01]
mircea_popescu how the fuck do i know, not like is in the wot or anything. [17:01]
lobbes this should be a reminder for me to do another backup on own my server data [17:03]
lobbes "who the fuck knows" indeed [17:03]
* lobbes can't wait until #b-a hosting is a thing [17:03]
mircea_popescu myeah. [17:03]
mircea_popescu truth be told b-a needs a shitload more business kinda people. [17:04]
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BingoBoingo http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/u-s-judge-orders-settlement-talks-for-illinois-lottery-dispute/article_6a15b1be-4563-56ff-babf-19b658dd5ace.html [17:11]
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mircea_popescu from the top kek dept, https://archive.is/eW8Rv [18:14]
assbot PRQ - Colocation, Dedicated Servers, Web hosting, VPN Tunnels, Privacy services. ... ( http://bit.ly/1X8nqOz ) [18:15]
BingoBoingo lol [18:16]
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326562 >> eerily reminiscent of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-09-2015#1260831 [18:29]
assbot Logged on 18-11-2015 19:16:11; mircea_popescu: this is fundamental. if we, for whatever value of "we" you wish to choose, can not and do not transplant one on the other, we will have failed. [18:29]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 03:02:25; mircea_popescu: is that his brain has decided it will not live without the products of industry ; while his ass does not enjoy the delights of anal proximity ; while the two are insepoarable, respectively : his ass from his head, and industry from maggotry. [18:29]
ascii_field mircea_popescu wants the healthy and unusgified spirit of the orc but with 'human' work ethic [18:30]
ascii_field i would like to meet this Übermensch. [18:30]
mircea_popescu this is a spurious schematism. [18:30]
mircea_popescu i'm not entertaining it. [18:30]
ascii_field 'All dedicated servers come with a 938 SEK ( 2500 BTC) setup fee which must be paid in full...' << woah [18:33]
ascii_field these come with own reactor, or what [18:33]
ascii_field or just page last updated in 2010 [18:34]
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mircea_popescu in other news /me just paid a bill for 1.999921 btc. [18:45]
shinohai Such precision [18:49]
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shinohai http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/northwestgeorgianews.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/73/d73f8646-8b5e-11e5-b79b-8bceeffa3540/564820d753cc3.image.jpg?resize=760%2C503 [19:00]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTyuO1 ) [19:00]
shinohai ^ accurate [19:00]
wao_ :) [19:00]
thestringpuller lol northwest georgia [19:01]
wao_ mircea_popescu: hello! I heard you are searching for hoster? is it actuall? what are current bandwith to boxes? [19:01]
thestringpuller !gettrust wao [19:01]
assbot Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user wao: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 3 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=thestringpuller&to=wao | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/wao/ [19:01]
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mircea_popescu depends, but in general about 1mbps or thereabouts. [19:02]
mircea_popescu has been known to go over 10gbps, but it's never sustained. [19:02]
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wao_ 10G ddos, that isn't a lot, right? [19:04]
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mircea_popescu never actually observed all that significant ddos. at some point it was wp rpc calls even. [19:04]
mircea_popescu inept resellers much larger problem than any ddos. [19:05]
wao_ and what's total average monthly traffic in and out? [19:06]
mircea_popescu depends, but in general about 1mbps or thereabouts. [19:06]
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shinohai http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/11/after-raising-record-3-4m-on-kickstarter-uk-drone-startup-collapses/ <<< Yet another great fail. [19:09]
assbot After raising record $3.4M on Kickstarter, UK drone startup collapses | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1NEcyCU ) [19:09]
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wao_ mili-? if mega thats 10.8G daily, 324G/mo, that's not that lot, really [19:10]
wao_ mircea_popescu: and actuall hardware or datacenter cant handle that? who is in charge of that? [19:10]
mircea_popescu about 2-3 tb a mo, yes [19:10]
mircea_popescu nobody's in charge of everything, we're just sitting here talking talks and stuff. [19:11]
mircea_popescu anything* [19:11]
lobbes heh: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/18/ben-carsons-campaign-made-a-u-s-map-and-put-a-bunch-of-states-in-the-wrong-place/ [19:12]
assbot Ben Carson’s campaign made a U.S. map and put a bunch of states in the wrong place - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1NEcX8q ) [19:12]
wao_ and you are seeking for better hoster to handle that ddoses? that's info I've recieved [19:13]
mircea_popescu mno. im looking for someone who is in the wot, as a primary factor organising their existence, to start a proper hoster, at the colocation level. [19:14]
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jurov wao_ there were some strange incidents more worrying than ddos (unexplained shutdowns, simultaneous disk failures) [19:17]
wao_ well, I can help you host it here in Slovakia or Czech Republic, maybe Austria. I've been handling ddoses since my 17yo [19:17]
wao_ oh so hardware getting some errors? what's hw? [19:17]
jurov it's up to you [19:17]
jurov make an offer. for example asciilifeform needs best cpu for phuctor [19:18]
mircea_popescu that's nice, but i'm not looking for you to help me anything. if you figure this is what you want to do with your life, stick around, with the logs, build your rep, then go do it. [19:18]
wao_ jurov: what's cpu is running phuctor right now? [19:20]
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mircea_popescu as it is i have no idea even what your involvement is with hosting. do you own a hosting company ? what's its name ? [19:22]
jurov wao_: some xeon, that's not important [19:24]
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wao_ jurov: well, I can get E7-xxxx for $7000, but is it worth? [19:25]
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wao_ mircea_popescu: no, I don't own hosting company, where I'm going I don't need names :) [19:26]
mircea_popescu well, that's pretty much the end of this discussion then. [19:26]
wao_ yeah, I get it too [19:27]
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mircea_popescu jurov ftr, phuctor was memory bound iirc. [19:31]
phf they call him the elusive joe. -- nobody can catch him? -- nobody cares to [19:32]
mircea_popescu for further lulz : https://archive.is/E1kAZ << this is the disposable email provider i just used. [19:35]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HYm8DZ ) [19:35]
mircea_popescu it worked fine up until 5 minutes ago. hurr durr. [19:35]
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shinohai In unrelated to server news: https://i.imgur.com/lyA0pl4.jpg [19:47]
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kakobrekla who said nothing good comes out of kickstarter https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/charlielyne/make-the-censors-watch-paint-drying?ref=video [20:21]
assbot Make the Censors Watch 'Paint Drying' by Charlie Lyne — Kickstarter ... ( http://bit.ly/1SFqHmU ) [20:21]
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lobbes l0l [20:24]
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shinohai http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/syd/5321646890.html <<< can anyone tell me if these laptops are worth a shit, in their experience? [20:32]
assbot Super fast i3 laptop ... ( http://bit.ly/1SFsubV ) [20:32]
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asciilifeform shinohai: not worth 300 [20:42]
trinque shinohai: http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/syd/5318478866.html << here's a better processor for cheaper [20:43]
assbot Lenovo Thinkpad T510 *90-Day Warranty* Intel Core i5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1SFukcC ) [20:43]
asciilifeform shinohai: and the use of manufacturer's stock photos ought to make you wonder [20:43]
trinque lenovo has destroyed the thinkpad line, mind, but if comparing to a toshiba, probably better [20:43]
shinohai I haz registered firearm, not worried about fakes tryin to rob me. [20:45]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326703 << actually was ~memory i/o~ bound [20:47]
assbot Logged on 18-11-2015 22:28:15; mircea_popescu: jurov ftr, phuctor was memory bound iirc. [20:48]
asciilifeform which is a thing. [20:48]
shinohai but thank you asciilifeform , trinque [20:49]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla can you explain the good there ? [21:08]
kakobrekla trolling the established retardness [21:09]
kakobrekla how is this bad? [21:09]
mircea_popescu i just dun get it. [21:09]
kakobrekla no worries. [21:10]
* mircea_popescu is looking forward to the "help me pay my income tax with pennies!" kickstarter. [21:11]
mircea_popescu that'll so totally show it to the irs. not only they get paid, they get to pleasantly waste more time doing it! [21:11]
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kakobrekla not really as they prolly have a coin counting machines. [21:15]
kakobrekla -a [21:16]
mircea_popescu anyway. i hadn't any idea such a thing as "British Board of Film Certification" existed. amusingly, i still don't. nice reddit name or w/e it was, facebook trademark. [21:19]
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phf pete_dushenski, i haven't followed the whole scene since the time when i had to research the question for a project, but it was apparently acquired by paypal in 2013. hxxp://techcrunch.com/2013/09/26/paypal-acquires-payments-gateway-braintree-for-800m-in-cash/ [22:40]
mircea_popescu cash deal, too. someone's been smart. [22:41]
phf heh, guy spent paypal money to start http://osfund.co. two of the companies were trashed on that chem blog, ginkgo bioworks and emerald therapeutics. [22:45]
assbot OS FUND ... ( http://bit.ly/1MUacmW ) [22:45]
mircea_popescu come join me past the emerald river, in that lovely field where the only fate worse than failure [22:46]
mircea_popescu is success. [22:46]
phf "Human Longevity, Inc", "Planetary Resources" [22:47]
phf these bigend wannabees got trolled by w.gibson [22:48]
phf http://osfund.co/companies/ < this page [22:48]
assbot Companies | OS Fund ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ln6f4N ) [22:48]
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mircea_popescu http://woodcoin.xyz/woodcoin/2015-11-14/text << that was interesting. [23:49]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZSJUE ) [23:49]
asciilifeform 'Eulora open-source conveyance technology that utilizes Linear Synchronous Motors for article retrieval of up to 50 Kg.' << l0l!! [23:50]
kakobrekla and by interesting you mean brain melting [23:51]
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mircea_popescu yeah, i originally had suspension points before the interesting. [23:54]
mircea_popescu anyway fwiw i never saw that conveyance thingee, ever. [23:55]
mircea_popescu there's some rock band and whatnot. i guess there's just about 0 overlap between search results by now. [23:56]
mircea_popescu that's probably the most effectual anti-"seo" thing google came up with. leverage people's laziness, if it's easy for "expert" to claim success and for empoyer to "verify" it, everyone's happy. [23:56]
mircea_popescu "Power consumption: @full duty cycle : 45,000 Watts (all on). " wtf do they use 40kw for loads of 50kgs max ?! [23:58]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: prolly euro floating pt [23:59]
asciilifeform 50 w. [23:59]
mircea_popescu who the fuck specifies one value to the decal and the other to three decimal points ?! [23:59]
asciilifeform folks who failed 2nd grade ? [23:59]
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