Forum logs for 18 Jan 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

BingoBoingo	and what is this "continue reading" thing ? << It's always been a thing. Keeps front page from reaching maxint length. Use started in early qntra when routinely dumping 10+ kiloword silk road document text into articles	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	ok but i mean, instead of article ?	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong/status/688398372521168896 << this guy is the christina applegate of married-with-vcoinks.	[00:04]
BingoBoingo	iirc BingoBoingo once had something of the sort << I imagine ben_vulpes mac has color display greater than 9"	[00:04]
BingoBoingo	ok but i mean, instead of article ? Ah. missed that it snuck in there. Need to check the front page more.	[00:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7069 @ 0.00052698 = 3.7252 BTC [+]	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	in other news nobody cares about, https://twitter.com/alazyreader/status/683066459849895936	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	i think i'm ironically much more famous among the idiot us-democrat crowd than among the idiot us-republican crowd.	[00:22]
BingoBoingo	Probably this year	[00:23]
BingoBoingo	In 2012 prolly reversed	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	i don't think either side knew enough of the world back then	[00:23]
BingoBoingo	Well, smaller sample size	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	http://jezebel.com/i-will-eat-chipotle-until-it-fucking-kills-me-1753170975 << in even other news nobody cares about, the one thing mayo gendered retards aka web-feminists are dedicated to is eating dirt until they pop.	[00:24]
assbot	I Will Eat Chipotle Until It Fucking Kills Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa0wrx )	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	" I refuse to be deterred by conventional safety. I will eat Chipotle until it fucking kills me.	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	The first time I went to Chipotle was around 2004, when the then-novelty of a burrito chain opened within two minutes walking distance from my high school."	[00:25]
BingoBoingo	This really is how the US will fall. The few will be unable to keep with with the many who can not wipe their ass.	[00:28]
punkman	http://motherboard.vice.com/read/we-talked-to-a-witch-who-casts-viruses-out-of-computers-with-magic	[00:28]
assbot	We Talked to a Witch Who Casts Viruses Out of Computers With Magic \| Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa0JuS )	[00:28]
BingoBoingo	It will be impossible for all of these planets to get their asses wiped.	[00:28]
BingoBoingo	Anal fistulas will become the leading cause of mortality in the United States.	[00:32]
*	mircea_popescu is doing his part by extracting young hottie nurses from the system.	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	(who the fuck knew - nurses are like the one profession with the largest bdsm bent, it's HUGE.)	[00:39]
BingoBoingo	seriously	[00:39]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[00:41]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 381.02, vol: 7047.73459568 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 382.999, vol: 6058.14456 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 382.7, vol: 15400.56479562 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 0.29341837 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 386.4358, vol: 61172.33880000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 384.97, vol: 135.48794721 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 392.074910889, vol: 52.17730934 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[00:42]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[00:42]
gribble	385.140188659	[00:42]
*	BingoBoingo appreciates the timing of this latest broomstick to happen with a US banking holiday on Monday	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	the us banks seem to be getting more holidays than argentina	[00:46]
BingoBoingo	Martin Luther King day	[00:46]
BingoBoingo	But yes, they get lots of planned holidays	[00:47]
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gernika	;ud broomstick	[01:03]
gernika	dammit assbot	[01:03]
gernika	;;ud broomstick	[01:05]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Broom+Stick \| broomstick. v. Lie your female partner on her back, grab your nutsack and put it in her vagina while grabbing your penis with both hands, one over the other (in ...	[01:05]
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mircea_popescu	"how do you spell illiterate ?" "look it up in the dictionary." "how am i going to look it up if i don't know how to spell it ?!"	[01:48]
BingoBoingo	http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/01/17/someone-just-accused-me-of-plotting-an-assassination-attempt/	[01:53]
assbot	Lying Liar Connie St. Louis Just Accused Me Of Calling For An Assassination! - Breitbart ... ( http://bit.ly/1SqYrrA )	[01:53]
BingoBoingo	Some people just can't go all the way	[01:53]
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ben_vulpes	lol breitbart	[02:27]
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BingoBoingo	!up soypirate	[02:31]
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punkman	"the official exchange rate is 6.3 bolivars to the dollar. n the streets, a money changer will be happy to buy your dollars for 700 bolivars a piece." nice ratio	[02:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00052313 = 5.6498 BTC [-] {3}	[03:01]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00052314 = 3.7928 BTC [+]	[04:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00052094 = 5.5741 BTC [-] {2}	[05:13]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00052257 = 4.2067 BTC [+] {2}	[06:42]
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jurov	;;bc,stats	[07:52]
gribble	Current Blocks: 393859 \| Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 \| Next Difficulty In: 1276 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 3 hours, 5 minutes, and 1 second \| Next Difficulty Estimate: None \| Estimated Percent Change: None	[07:52]
jurov	;;hashrate	[07:52]
gribble	Error: "hashrate" is not a valid command.	[07:52]
jurov	https://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate shows exahash already	[07:53]
assbot	Bitcoin Hash Rate ... ( http://bit.ly/239PjLL )	[07:53]
jurov	;;nethash	[07:53]
gribble	861582177.733	[07:53]
jurov	https://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate hahaha	[08:02]
assbot	Bitcoin Hash Rate ... ( http://bit.ly/239PjLL )	[08:02]
jurov	https://ejj.io/abusing-your-browser-favicon/ < i wanted to paste this	[08:02]
assbot	Crashing Your Browser ... ( http://bit.ly/239PLcZ )	[08:02]
jurov	(the site won't crash it but describes a simpel way how)	[08:03]
jurov	"It's really amazing that Chrome and Safari don't have a sanity check for the size of a favicon. When I load the root of this website on safari, the favicon automatically gets fetched...fetched..."	[08:04]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[08:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00052257 = 3.7102 BTC [+]	[08:20]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.90000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b76	[09:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8702 @ 0.00051779 = 4.5058 BTC [-] {4}	[09:16]
shinohai	;;later tell BingoBoingo I emailed f2pool, asked for their key and an invite to #b-a. May the fates be with you.	[09:16]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[09:16]
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mircea_popescu	hhhola!	[10:01]
shinohai	>.>	[10:02]
mircea_popescu	jurov lots of holes with the favicon thing.	[10:13]
mircea_popescu	there's a simple privacy breaking thing where a site feeding you a bunch of favicons can figure out where you've been by looking at which you load.	[10:14]
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mircea_popescu	that very weird moment when woman you fucked long ago berates your okcupid profile for impersonating you.	[10:54]
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mircea_popescu	since i'm doing the documentation for an ample piece, here's random unrelated lulz : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2013#16124	[11:08]
assbot	Logged on 05-05-2013 09:52:31; mircea_popescu: perhaps gavin, but only on the condition that he keeps quiet a lot on most issues.	[11:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6846 @ 0.00050936 = 3.4871 BTC [-] {2}	[11:16]
thestringpuller	LOL Chaang-Noi	[11:17]
thestringpuller	;;seen Chaang-Noi	[11:17]
gribble	Chaang-Noi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 48 weeks, 6 days, 8 hours, 16 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: might have to sue em	[11:17]
thestringpuller	1 scammer dies, 5 scammers are born.	[11:17]
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jurov	https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/programming/ReadingSensitiveFilesLessons now i'm curious what gpg does here	[11:56]
assbot	Chris's Wiki :: blog/programming/ReadingSensitiveFilesLessons ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0aP0h )	[11:56]
jurov	or gossipd will	[12:00]
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mod6	Attention TRB Testers: If you want to help test, please take the time to build trb via trinque's makefiles here; http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000190.html (Should be basically getting & verifing the tar ball; plus setting up a ~/.wot dir with keys for V to use) -- then a `make` in the directory. Please report your findings. Thanks.	[12:16]
assbot	[BTC-dev] Experimental makefiles for bitcoind ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0cMtv )	[12:16]
shinohai	I'm gonna give those a go today on the server, it's idle since I got latest patched.	[12:20]
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jurov	oh when i see it: trinque and everyone, pls send detached signatures as .sig	[12:26]
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trinque	jurov: k	[12:27]
jurov	ml currently passes all attachments regardless when there is valid clearsigned text but it may not always the case	[12:27]
mod6	<+jurov> oh when i see it: trinque and everyone, pls send detached signatures as .sig << for V to work properly the sigfiles (seals) need to be named the same as the vpatch filename with a .sig on the end. is that what you're saying?	[12:29]
jurov	not it is not related to v	[12:30]
jurov	it is how ml prosesses attachments	[12:30]
jurov	*processes	[12:30]
mod6	i.e.: asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation.vpatch && asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig	[12:30]
mod6	that's how they need to be	[12:30]
jurov	why the second .asciilifeform ?	[12:30]
jurov	one is .anything , the other one .anything.sig	[12:31]
mod6	so i was wrong above, not just .sig, but .vpatch..sig	[12:31]
jurov	or V requires author's name in the suffix?	[12:31]
mod6	take a look at these: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/seals/	[12:31]
jurov	oh my, who designed this?	[12:31]
assbot	Index of /v/seals ... ( http://bit.ly/1V1TpQn )	[12:31]
mod6	that's how they need to be.	[12:31]
mod6	alf	[12:32]
mod6	which, i think is fine because then i can sign that patch and call it: asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation.vpatch.mod6.sig	[12:32]
mod6	and then v can differentiate them easily	[12:32]
mod6	!up ascii_butugychag	[12:35]
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jurov	so imma have a regex like ([^_]+)_.?.vpatch.(.?).sig to find out something to feed to v?	[12:35]
ascii_butugychag	jurov, mod6: i designed the naming convention this way deliberately	[12:35]
ascii_butugychag	the first name (not used by v for anything) is the ~author~	[12:35]
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ascii_butugychag	the second - used by the sig checker - is WHO SIGNED	[12:35]
jurov	but it requires PARSING	[12:36]
ascii_butugychag	these, ideally, will NOT always be the same, i keep trying to encourage folks to read and sign MY patches (and that of others)	[12:36]
ascii_butugychag	jurov: theoretically you can avoid using the name prior to .sig, but then you have to check ALL seals agains ALL patches ALWAYS and this is O(N^2)	[12:36]
ascii_butugychag	so go ahead, don't parse, but then enjoy waiting	[12:37]
ascii_butugychag	during every single op.	[12:37]
jurov	is it too late to use some better delimiter to extract the parts?	[12:37]
ascii_butugychag	like what ?	[12:37]
jurov	:	[12:37]
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ascii_butugychag	what os are you on that is happy with : in paths ? vms ?	[12:37]
ascii_butugychag	what the hell is wrong with . ?	[12:38]
jurov	authorname:patchname:signername.vpatch.sig	[12:38]
jurov	then use dot after authorname, too	[12:38]
ascii_butugychag	but... why??	[12:38]
jurov	it is relevant for ml	[12:38]
ascii_butugychag	why not FIX THE ML	[12:38]
ascii_butugychag	instead of breaking v.	[12:38]
jurov	also, what if someone has a nick with _ ?	[12:39]
jurov	like mircea_popescu	[12:39]
ascii_butugychag	that makes no difference	[12:39]
mircea_popescu	huh ?	[12:39]
ascii_butugychag	the author name is for human eyes only	[12:39]
ascii_butugychag	only the signer-name is machine-parsed	[12:39]
jurov	yes? how do i extract author and patchname?	[12:40]
ascii_butugychag	why do you need to ?	[12:40]
ascii_butugychag	recall how mircea_popescu argued that it makes no sense to mechanically distinguish between author and signers?	[12:40]
jurov	you say noone will ever need to?	[12:40]
ascii_butugychag	the correct way to do this is for the first seal to be deedbotted to produce the attribution of the author.	[12:41]
ascii_butugychag	rather than magicks in the filenamez.	[12:41]
ascii_butugychag	protocol vs promise (tm) (r)	[12:41]
mircea_popescu	if i want to represent alf's signature as "asciilifeform", "ascii_butugychag" or more or just a subset, it should be up to me.	[12:41]
jurov	and how does ml match signarute to vpatch?	[12:42]
mircea_popescu	same fingerprint no ?	[12:42]
ascii_butugychag	using the .name.sig convention	[12:42]
ascii_butugychag	as now.	[12:42]
mircea_popescu	uh	[12:42]
jurov	someonse sends 3 patches with 3 sigs, I either have to get the match with gnarly regext above	[12:42]
mircea_popescu	didn't you just contradict yourself ?	[12:42]
ascii_butugychag	and realize that we can set all the filenames to 'fuckyou' and v will still work	[12:42]
jurov	or try to match each vs. each	[12:42]
ascii_butugychag	correctly	[12:42]
ascii_butugychag	just, slowly	[12:42]
ascii_butugychag	O(N^2)	[12:42]
jurov	why v can't require strict naming?	[12:42]
ascii_butugychag	why must it ?	[12:43]
ascii_butugychag	why tie to filesystem oddities that may go away when we get a sane os ?	[12:43]
jurov	to not need O(N^2) sig verificaiton	[12:43]
jurov	how will sane os solve this?	[12:43]
ascii_butugychag	jurov: it doesn't need even now. what is your problem with patchname.signer.sig ?	[12:43]
ascii_butugychag	i could even see the argument that 'signer' oughta be a gpg fp	[12:44]
jurov	because i need to match it to patchname.vpatch	[12:44]
ascii_butugychag	it matches trivially!	[12:44]
jurov	no it maps to patchname.vpatch..sig	[12:45]
ascii_butugychag	patchname in 'patchname.vpatch' must equal patchname in patchname.signer.sig	[12:45]
ascii_butugychag	jurov: holy shit, why ??	[12:45]
jurov	how?	[12:45]
ascii_butugychag	v - works.	[12:46]
ascii_butugychag	mine works, mod6's works, possibly ben_vulpes's also works.	[12:46]
jurov	v works because it has prearranged files, wot keys	[12:46]
ascii_butugychag	and now jurov has something that does not ? so fix ~it~ plox ?	[12:46]
ascii_butugychag	prearranged, aha. what's wrong with that ?	[12:46]
jurov	i just have some random bunch of name.vpatvh and somethingother.sig someone sends by email	[12:47]
ascii_butugychag	if you want the filenames to be garbage, you will have O(N^2) evaluation.	[12:47]
ascii_butugychag	there is no way around this.	[12:47]
ascii_butugychag	and i don't see why permit garbage.	[12:47]
jurov	i want filename.vpatch that i can just take and slap .sig in the end of it to find a signature	[12:47]
ascii_butugychag	very bad	[12:48]
ascii_butugychag	because it will end up trying to overwrite every OTHER sig	[12:48]
jurov	but this is Not Possible, now I have to parse the patchname out, and use that to look for sigs	[12:48]
ascii_butugychag	more than one person signs a patch	[12:48]
ascii_butugychag	i wrote v the way i did so that ALL patches and ALL seals can coexist on my disk and it be HUMAN-obvious which belong to whom and what.	[12:49]
jurov	ok, why can't the .vpatch and author fields swap?	[12:49]
ascii_butugychag	give example of the result ?	[12:50]
ascii_butugychag	let's start with 'asciilifeform_tx-orphanage_amputation.vpatch.mod6.sig'	[12:50]
jurov	bitcoin-asciilifeform.1.mod6.vpatch.sig	[12:50]
ascii_butugychag	what will this be under new convention ?	[12:50]
jurov	also, what the 1 left over after splitting by '.' does there?	[12:50]
jurov	it would be 'asciilifeform_tx-orphanage_amputation.mod6.vpatch.sig'	[12:51]
ascii_butugychag	how does this help anything ?	[12:51]
ascii_butugychag	that .mod6. does not belong in the vpatch name	[12:51]
ascii_butugychag	it relates ONLY to the seal	[12:51]
jurov	so?	[12:52]
ascii_butugychag	so i don't see what the point is of this change	[12:52]
ascii_butugychag	it breaks everybody's 'v'	[12:52]
ascii_butugychag	to what end ?	[12:52]
jurov	instead of .vpatch..sig you have *.vpatch.sig filenames which are a bit easier to work with	[12:52]
ascii_butugychag	HOW?	[12:52]
ascii_butugychag	the .asciilifeform.sig IMMEDIATELY tells you that asciilifeform signed the thing before the .	[12:53]
ascii_butugychag	what the fuck is the point of garbling it ?	[12:53]
ascii_butugychag	easier for WHAT ?	[12:53]
jurov	eh nm	[12:54]
PeterL	should have patch.vpatch and patch.vpatch.SIGNER1.sig and patch.vpatch.SIGNER2.sig ?	[12:54]
ascii_butugychag	PeterL: this is the EXISTING convention, yes	[12:54]
ascii_butugychag	which happens to be sane.	[12:54]
PeterL	ok, makes sense to me, why change it?	[12:54]
ascii_butugychag	PeterL: idk, but jurov had some reason, which i still don't fully grasp	[12:54]
jurov	nevermind, i said, i did not though to be som paramount	[12:55]
jurov	only the question what is the '1' in bitcoin-asciilifeform.1.mod6.vpatch.sig doing there	[12:57]
ascii_butugychag	actually in that case i've no idea, iirc mod6 put it there	[12:57]
mod6	a long time ago. we had a different convention.	[12:57]
mod6	and now its written in stone.	[12:57]
ascii_butugychag	the fortunate thing is that it is NOT	[12:57]
ascii_butugychag	v will run if you rename the patch to 'fuckyou' and the sig to 'fuckapig'	[12:58]
ascii_butugychag	(or rather, a slightly improved 'v' will run, existing one requires patch name to remain same)	[12:58]
ascii_butugychag	but then you get O(N^2), yes.	[12:59]
jurov	so if there is a RFC someday you're against specifying filename convention?	[12:59]
ascii_butugychag	yes.	[12:59]
ascii_butugychag	let me say why.	[13:00]
ascii_butugychag	the O(N^2) instrinsic runtime of unknown-patch-bag+unknown-sig-bag is something i realized from the start	[13:00]
ascii_butugychag	and i don't see it as a serious boojum	[13:00]
ascii_butugychag	because i don't believe that any project has any business cancerously growing patches until this turns into a serious boojum.	[13:00]
ascii_butugychag	after a certain point, there oughta be a new genesis.	[13:00]
mod6	any way the real sig name is currently "bitcoin-asciilifeform.1.vpatch.mod6.sig" not <+jurov> only the question what is the '1' in bitcoin-asciilifeform.1.mod6.vpatch.sig doing there	[13:01]
ascii_butugychag	nothing lives forever.	[13:01]
ascii_butugychag	the other thing i oughta mention is that imho a core principle of v-ism is that it is impermissible for trust to be implicitly delegated.	[13:01]
ascii_butugychag	this means that at no point do ~i~ get to do less verification ~because of something the mirror host does~ - e.g., verify mailed in patches	[13:02]
ascii_butugychag	i have to do THE SAME amount of verification work.	[13:02]
ascii_butugychag	or we're using shithub, not v.	[13:02]
ascii_butugychag	this means that if jurov's box has to verify my patch against every known sig every single time it presses to post to www, SO SHOULD MINE	[13:02]
ascii_butugychag	does this make sense ?	[13:03]
ascii_butugychag	no implicit delegations.	[13:03]
ascii_butugychag	in EXACTLY same way as my trb node does THE SAME amount of number crunching whether it hears a block from gavin's node or from mircea_popescu's.	[13:03]
jurov	what??? i said nothing bout delegations	[13:04]
ascii_butugychag	jurov: this is separate, mostly	[13:04]
ascii_butugychag	but you also gotta consider what your box will do if it gets an inappropriately (for whatever reason) named patch.	[13:04]
ascii_butugychag	what i say is that REGARDLESS of the names, if THE CRYPTO is valid, it is a VALID patch/seal tuple.	[13:05]
ascii_butugychag	for all time.	[13:05]
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jurov	it will publish and otherwise ignore it, I will tell everyone to add it to their v repository by hand.	[13:06]
jurov	(if anyone asks)	[13:06]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2554 @ 0.00050896 = 1.2999 BTC [-]	[13:07]
jurov	i don't see ml as any authoritative source, nor it can't be	[13:08]
jurov	that does not mean it can't be tidy	[13:08]
mod6	so what are we trying to achieve here?	[13:08]
mod6	its a good start to just not mangle the filenames -- thats all set now right?	[13:08]
mod6	!up ascii_butugychag	[13:09]
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jurov	mod6 if it can validate a signature (by name, NOT by scanning all files), it will add to its v mirror	[13:10]
jurov	that's all	[13:10]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://www.cabinaselquetzal.com/fotos/P1070211.JPG	[13:10]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PBsZkl )	[13:10]
mod6	jurov: oh ok, you were gonna have the ML dump the vpatch & seal out to a second mirror?	[13:11]
ascii_butugychag	incidentally	[13:11]
ascii_butugychag	since folks are contemplating 'ideal v'	[13:11]
jurov	what does "seal out" mean?	[13:11]
ascii_butugychag	has anyone a position on whether patches oughta be broken into atoms ?	[13:11]
ascii_butugychag	that is, individual 'patchons' ?	[13:11]
mircea_popescu	jurov dump (the vpatch & seal) out to	[13:11]
jurov	oh that, yes	[13:12]
ascii_butugychag	(the objects where ---whatever, HASH +++whatever, HASH)	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	we'll end up with bitcoin-lispassets.	[13:12]
mod6	ascii_butugychag: you mean, atoms in the sense of vpatches only for individual source files touched?	[13:12]
ascii_butugychag	well if you think about it, the way we have it now is actually more complicated	[13:12]
ascii_butugychag	in that things that have no business being glued together, ARE	[13:12]
ascii_butugychag	from sheer historical accident	[13:12]
ascii_butugychag	mod6: correct	[13:13]
mod6	we could do it that way, it /may/ make things easier in the sense of V -- we've been doing it the way we are to keep the patch count low iirc.	[13:13]
ascii_butugychag	mod6: correct. and to save wear on our trigger fingers	[13:13]
ascii_butugychag	but it may lead us to tears later.	[13:13]
jurov	and why?	[13:13]
ascii_butugychag	i will leave the 'why' as an exercise. largely because this is not a pressing issue.	[13:14]
jurov	i see it as going back to RCS , no idea otherwise	[13:14]
ascii_butugychag	rcs ?	[13:15]
jurov	iirc it tracked changes per one file only	[13:16]
mod6	https://www.gnu.org/software/rcs/	[13:16]
assbot	RCS - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBtuuC )	[13:16]
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ascii_butugychag	btw i hope everybody understands that life with 'v' is always going to resemble dark age blood sports like cvs, etc. far more than modern greased poles (e.g., 'git')	[13:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00052044 = 3.0186 BTC [+] {2}	[13:17]
mircea_popescu	should i break down and try to rfc this ?	[13:17]
ascii_butugychag	because it is not built for comfort. just as t-34 tank was not.	[13:17]
ascii_butugychag	or how kalash buttstock is not built to be a dildo.	[13:17]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: sounds splendid	[13:18]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375228 << what's your idea of that certain point ? 1k ? 10k ? 1mn ?	[13:18]
assbot	Logged on 18-01-2016 15:59:27; ascii_butugychag: after a certain point, there oughta be a new genesis.	[13:18]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: 'when epoch ends'	[13:19]
ascii_butugychag	it isn't a numeric thing	[13:19]
mircea_popescu	seems on some very rudimentary testing and evaluation that the compile would still take longer than the gathering of patches with ~1mn ish of them around	[13:19]
ascii_butugychag	and it parallelizes.	[13:19]
mircea_popescu	but this is not a matter to be handwaved.	[13:19]
jurov	i did not say anything about comfort, either. how do you propose bundling the patch spanning several files where hunks don't make sense individually?	[13:20]
mircea_popescu	for the following reason : v adoption will induce a major shift in how software is treated,	[13:20]
mircea_popescu	and your guess depends on how people software as a much lower node on that tree.	[13:20]
mircea_popescu	people will NOT WANT to genesis an old and famous tree.	[13:20]
ascii_butugychag	why not ?	[13:21]
punkman	ascii_butugychag: that is, individual 'patchons' ? << darcs does some of that automatically	[13:21]
mircea_popescu	for the same reason louis xvth pretended he comes from the fucking sun	[13:21]
ascii_butugychag	one would think that an old and famous tree woudl end up perma-pressed at some point	[13:21]
mircea_popescu	by whom ?	[13:21]
ascii_butugychag	just like every kid who wants to doodle in the margins of newton's principia starts with ~the same~ edition thereof	[13:21]
mircea_popescu	need i remind you the lulz of x.org recently lost ?	[13:21]
ascii_butugychag	rather than a randomly selected one of 100 newton-era drafts	[13:22]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: wai wut??	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	you can't get those people in a room together to sign a new genesis.	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag x lost its only asset because people couldn't agree to sit down and extend it.	[13:22]
ascii_butugychag	l0l!!	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	don't laugh, it's a necessary consequence.	[13:22]
deedbot-	[Trilema] USG in BTC, a history of constant failure - http://trilema.com/2016/usg-in-btc-a-history-of-constant-failure/	[13:22]
ascii_butugychag	of what? lead in the water ?	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	consider this scenario : bitcoin in 2020. mod6 has meanwhile gone hunting seals on the artic circle. you live in a remote mining colony up on the fucking moon.	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	how the fuck do we "re-genesis" the bitcoin ?	[13:23]
ascii_butugychag	that's the job of whoever thinks it needs another million patches, no?	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	this is not reason.	[13:24]
mircea_popescu	the only saving grace i see here is that it doesn't HAVE to be n^2	[13:24]
mircea_popescu	it can also be n, if you just use the right fucking names.	[13:24]
ascii_butugychag	as i wrote it, aha.	[13:24]
mircea_popescu	but let us be considerate to the progeny.	[13:24]
ascii_butugychag	i very clearly spelled this out, when first published it.	[13:24]
mircea_popescu	i think we've seen enough of the pitfals of disconsidering progeny in satoshi's work.	[13:25]
mod6	amen	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	"The basic formatting conventions for RFCs were established in the 1970s by the original RFC Editor, Jon Postel."	[13:30]
mircea_popescu	da fuck. am i going to call it a rfc ? if not, why not, if yes am i going to follow the "guidelines" ? which ? the most recent ? who the fuck is "Internet Architecture Board (IAB)" that i should care, nevber heard of 'em. the original ? seriously, postel ?	[13:31]
mircea_popescu	fucking shit before you do anything you gotta dry some land first.	[13:31]
mircea_popescu	o look at that, importing cmos.	[13:32]
mircea_popescu	"The RFC Editor generally follows these accepted rules as defined by the Chicago Manual of Style (CMOS) [CMOS], with a few important exceptions to avoid ambiguity in complex technical prose and to handle mixtures of text and computer languages, or to preserve historical formatting rules." << kids, this is how not to code.	[13:33]
mircea_popescu	bah.	[13:34]
PeterL	we need our own RFC format?	[13:34]
mircea_popescu	tel lyou what, i'ma make it a v instead, fuck this stupid shit.	[13:35]
ascii_butugychag	this is kinda why i stopped	[13:35]
mircea_popescu	i'm not importing rfc.	[13:35]
ascii_butugychag	i tried, on the train, and nearly barfed.	[13:35]
mircea_popescu	https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?difftype=--hwdiff&url2=rfc7322 << would you look at this retarded crap	[13:35]
assbot	wdiff draft-iab-styleguide rfc7322.txt ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZHmvLy )	[13:35]
mircea_popescu	the work that went into all this stupidity.	[13:35]
mircea_popescu	how did that quote go	[13:35]
ascii_butugychag	(though i recently bought a strange widget that puts electric current through your wrist and keeps you from barfing, nfi how, but wurks, so we can see again!)	[13:35]
mircea_popescu	"This devastating outcome for stakeholders indicates what can happen when much brainpower and energy are applied to a faulty premise."	[13:36]
ascii_butugychag	^ whole history of kompoyoooting as-a-field, aha.	[13:36]
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jurov	!up ascii_butugychag	[13:40]
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ascii_butugychag	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375311 << so i read this, and one thing continues to perplex me,	[13:40]
assbot	Logged on 18-01-2016 16:21:29; deedbot-: [Trilema] USG in BTC, a history of constant failure - http://trilema.com/2016/usg-in-btc-a-history-of-constant-failure/	[13:40]
ascii_butugychag	why does usg keep returning to idiot humint claptrap (e.g., 'consensus-building' etc) when it could leverage its only real strength, money and captive engineers ?	[13:41]
ascii_butugychag	build yottahash plant, etc.	[13:41]
mircea_popescu	that it has no money and no engineers.	[13:41]
mircea_popescu	why does it keep losing in the east when it could have "leveraged" it's "best army in the world" bahamas has in rthe books ?	[13:42]
ascii_butugychag	it has plenty of each, but they are not on 'gs' civil service ladder.	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	for that matter, why didn't soviet russia mobilize all those book-only assets ?	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	why didn't 1910 china mobilize the infinity army it had and beat the english ?	[13:42]
ascii_butugychag	because they wanted american pants.	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	you recall the story of the palace fire when that castrato ascended ?	[13:43]
ascii_butugychag	there is not a meta-america whose pants these engineers want to put on.	[13:43]
ascii_butugychag	that is sorta the whole of it.	[13:43]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: pu yi ? aha	[13:43]
mircea_popescu	not even close. it's just what you want to believe so as not to wake screaming from your sleep.	[13:43]
ascii_butugychag	hey i already wake up screaming	[13:43]
ascii_butugychag	so i would readily believe it if i had any reason to think it true	[13:43]
ascii_butugychag	what, i'll scream twice ?	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	anyway, what i'm going to do here is : write a trilema article titled The V Manual Genesis or something, which will discuss but also contain a genesis for something called v-manual	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	is that a good name for it ? kinda confusing as fuck	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	i guess in time the convention that x-manual holds the manual will resolve this.	[13:44]
ascii_butugychag	i called my draft simply 'v-genesis'	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	that's already taken	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000151.html	[13:44]
assbot	[BTC-dev] V-genesis signed, with comment ... ( http://bit.ly/1I0DysO )	[13:44]
ascii_butugychag	ah hm then manual wurks	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	and the idea being, that one can read whatever fucking manual he wants, signed by whatever subset of sigs he likes.	[13:45]
ascii_butugychag	incidentally	[13:45]
ascii_butugychag	i see no reason why mailing lists ought not be vtronic	[13:45]
mircea_popescu	but ima put it first as an article so we don't end up needing a ton of small fixes signed	[13:45]
ascii_butugychag	the ultimate historic annals.	[13:45]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag this is going towards "animated programs", where instead of looking at a program as a[n ultimately] bitmap you instead look at it as a gif, with layers coming on top of each other.	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	makes your "fits on page" thing much more of an issue. "all programs must fit within so and so viewport"	[13:46]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: machine only runs a flattened (pressed) item anyway	[13:46]
ascii_butugychag	that is the part that 'oughta fit'	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	anyway, a large part of trying to make a manual is that fuck me, we barely even understand what we're doing.	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag yes, but reading code is reading code.	[13:46]
ascii_butugychag	reading history - is an art	[13:47]
ascii_butugychag	at any rate, the large part of what i see as needing a manual, is the ~why~ of v	[13:48]
ascii_butugychag	rather than the 'how', which is bound up in a particular implementation and probably best learned from ~reading its src~	[13:48]
mircea_popescu	myah.	[13:48]
punkman	uppercase verbs for #b-a RFC: MUST, MUST NOT, FUCK YOU	[13:49]
ascii_butugychag	and said document, at least in my attempt, was to describe some of the cockroaches that have been running around in human mind for millenia, that it tries to chlorophos.	[13:49]
*	mircea_popescu is pacing around the room, will bbl with something.	[13:50]
shinohai	;;later tell mod6 re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375090 <<< works flawlessly on Deb/Ubuntu had to `export PERL_MM_OPT=` again tho.	[13:52]
assbot	Logged on 18-01-2016 15:15:10; mod6: Attention TRB Testers: If you want to help test, please take the time to build trb via trinque's makefiles here; http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000190.html (Should be basically getting & verifing the tar ball; plus setting up a ~/.wot dir with keys for V to use) -- then a `make` in the directory. Please report your findings. Thanks.	[13:52]
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BingoBoingo	;;nethash	[14:42]
gribble	897064840.267	[14:42]
mod6	thanks shinohai!	[14:43]
shinohai	!Up ascii_butugychag	[14:44]
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shinohai	np	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag mk, i've got it, and it is scandalous.	[14:47]
mod6	:]	[14:48]
BingoBoingo	Oh what made what where nao https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/41jzly/usg_in_btc_a_history_of_constant_failure/	[14:48]
assbot	USG in BTC, a history of constant failure : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBCpw5 )	[14:48]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[14:51]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 386.11, vol: 7807.32328620 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 386.311, vol: 8222.6742 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 387.36, vol: 21758.83407143 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 2.753 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 388.968, vol: 51982.29760000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 387.434, vol: 276.91714162 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 389.35325, vol: 80.28751916 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[14:51]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[14:51]
gribble	388.084894489	[14:51]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: wai wut	[14:54]
BingoBoingo	Falkvinge gone USG, Comoonity Oranizing https://archive.is/fvhaZ	[14:54]
assbot	Some advice for everybody at this point in time : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/23aqbED )	[14:54]
BingoBoingo	*Orapizing	[14:55]
BingoBoingo	;;google orap	[14:55]
gribble	Orap (Pimozide) Drug Information: Description, User Reviews, Drug ...: ; Orap oral : Uses, Side Effects, Interactions, Pictures, Warnings ...: ; PIMOZIDE - ORAL (Orap) side effects, medical uses, and drug ...:	[14:55]
PeterL	http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/efd76f86-eb59-4a51-8307-723937c233c2/?raw=true << node up and running, lots of thanks to mod6 !	[14:55]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/23aqeAt )	[14:55]
ascii_butugychag	congrats PeterL !	[14:55]
PeterL	surprisingly hard, but that's mostly my fault	[14:56]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: my original attempt at v manifesto was largely about how... it is a weapon.	[14:58]
ascii_butugychag	against the people called 'adhesivists' in the 'shall be delivered' tale	[14:58]
shinohai	gg PeterL	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	bear with me, it's done, need just write it out. one hour.	[14:59]
ascii_butugychag	(that is, vermin who base their entire lives on strategic deception and multilevel chumpatronics)	[14:59]
ascii_butugychag	hm ok	[14:59]
punkman	lol Falkvinge, "If there's no profit to be made in using bitcoin as a drop-in replacement for credit card payments, bitcoin will not be deployed at scale. Deployment and outcompeting legacy systems depend entirely on merchant financial gains from rollout."	[15:08]
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BingoBoingo	punkman: Falkvinge comes from a very peculair form of socialism I like to refer to Consumermunism	[15:15]
BingoBoingo	!up ascii_butugychag	[15:15]
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ascii_butugychag	BingoBoingo: l0lwut ?	[15:17]
BingoBoingo	ascii_butugychag: You know the sort of socialism that's primarily focused around what Walmart and the Record labels are doing	[15:18]
ascii_butugychag	actually no ?	[15:18]
BingoBoingo	You ever seen the anti-Walmart union protests or at least heard about them?	[15:19]
ascii_butugychag	for some reason i thought those folks were forbidden to unionize	[15:19]
BingoBoingo	They are, but the remaining unions protest against walmart because of it.	[15:19]
BingoBoingo	And there's a big long history with that.	[15:20]
BingoBoingo	I wrap that and the "piracy because poor" together with some other idiocies into the Consumermunism label.	[15:20]
ascii_butugychag	what's 'piracy because poor' ?	[15:21]
ascii_butugychag	is it mechanically distinguishable from 'piracy because fuckyou and it's my computer and fuckyou again' ?	[15:21]
BingoBoingo	ascii_butugychag: The crowd whose taste in music sucks so they pirate that and lament getting caught. Different from piracy because Fuck You in that pircy because Fuck you gets moral agency.	[15:22]
BingoBoingo	piracy because poor is shoplifting	[15:22]
BingoBoingo	piracy because Fuck You is an actual cause	[15:22]
BingoBoingo	Mens Rae or the inability to have it is a driving force in Consumermunism	[15:23]
ascii_butugychag	BingoBoingo: you are thinking of... purpose, rather than cause	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	ok here we go : http://trilema.com/2016/the-v-manual-genesis/	[15:23]
assbot	The V Manual Genesis on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NgC7ZS )	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	please shoot me.	[15:23]
BingoBoingo	ascii_butugychag: Maybe Havent had my coffee yet	[15:23]
ascii_butugychag	i would argue that an illiterate kid who sees nothing wrong with copying bits is every bit as sane in this regard as RMS	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	mod6 you wanna write the [implementation] part and i bitch at you ? seems a better approach than the reverse.	[15:23]
BingoBoingo	loller "Hi Mike. ... If I was a handler for an organization that wanted to insert an asset into the bitcoin community, someone like you would be the ideal candidate. Someone that young people, new to the community, naturally respect and will listen to. Strange how you've spent so much time cultivating your standing with people like that, while your reputation plummeted among the people that understood the network (and had far more	[15:26]
BingoBoingo	skin in the game than you did, because if I remember correctly you never foresaw the spectacular growth of the bitcoin network, never thought it would work, and therefore did not really have that many coins yourself)."	[15:26]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: notbad	[15:26]
BingoBoingo	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10924626	[15:27]
assbot	Hi Mike. I met you at San Jose conference in 2013. I remember very clearly- you ... \| Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0u3D8 )	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag i'm creaming my pants at the notion that footnote 2 is actually provable, mathematically.	[15:27]
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ascii_butugychag	BingoBoingo: that comment will likely hit /dev/null shortly..	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	it can't, because https://archive.is/rra5Q	[15:28]
assbot	Hi Mike. I met you at San Jose conference in 2013. I remember very clearly- you ... \| Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1S0ucGy )	[15:28]
ascii_butugychag	l0l	[15:28]
BingoBoingo	https://archive.is/4VPIz	[15:29]
assbot	No. It took a sharp fall in the BTC price. This narrative that Gavin and I were... \| Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NgCDHi )	[15:29]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: what would such a proof look like, do you suppose ?	[15:29]
ascii_butugychag	something godel-flavoured ?	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	quite so.	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	one just has to correctly make the statement of their incorectness in a proper formed T.	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	which is a huge pile of work, sadly.	[15:30]
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ascii_butugychag	and the result is virtually guaranteed to be indigestible.	[15:30]
*	mircea_popescu for the first time in lyf regrets he's not been paying much attention to the whole pile of proofola.	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	(properly formed above mostly means "minimal")	[15:31]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: there is unlikely to be anything you ~really want~ at the bottom of that pile.	[15:31]
BingoBoingo	So I go to check my rss feed and get a link to https://archive.is/u0mZU	[15:31]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NgCOSZ )	[15:31]
BingoBoingo	*reader, rss reader	[15:31]
ascii_butugychag	but not entirely unrelatedly, acl2 is a pretty spiffy thing	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	thinking atm something along the lines of "enough set theory to be able to define an algebra"	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag perhaps not.	[15:32]
ascii_butugychag	my first and probably last encounter with a mechanical proofatron that isn't immediately barfalicious in any way	[15:32]
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mircea_popescu	i dunno how i'd use it.	[15:32]
ascii_butugychag	i intend to use it to demonstrate that, e.g., all 'p' programs terminate.	[15:33]
ascii_butugychag	modest goal is key.	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	heh. ok.	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	0x01 talks about fucking identity.	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	there's a gap here.	[15:34]
ascii_butugychag	http://proofpad.org << for crapple users	[15:34]
assbot	Proof Pad: Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1NgD3NK )	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	"all p programs correctly evaluate whether they terminate"	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	> user: darwins_pitbull created: 3 hours ago karma: 8	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	>I have a long history of having a keenly skeptical eye, I have solid critical thinking skills, and I bat away wacky theories all day long. I have NEVER, in any forum, posted any comment of any type in regards to bitcoin, this is my first one- I believe in speaking humbly, thinking deeply and acting bravely.	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	wtf is this bs lol.	[15:36]
ascii_butugychag	gotta define what means 'correctly evaluate'	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag that's the bitch, innit.	[15:36]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: it will have to invoke... rings, fields, yes	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[15:36]
ascii_butugychag	incidentally, i'm on a bit of a group theory kick	[15:36]
ascii_butugychag	on account of that schmuck at shmoocon who was peddling a group-theoretical crypto algo, quasi-proprietary and patentalicious, that was more or less stolen verbatim from maslennikov's book...	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	bwhaahah	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	did you point out ?	[15:37]
ascii_butugychag	nah but some other ru kid stood up and said 'your algo was broken no fewer than 3 times, do i invest now or wait for 4th' or approx. this	[15:38]
ascii_butugychag	and everybody l0led in their pants	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	lol	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	shoulda bought the kid drinks.	[15:38]
ascii_butugychag	prolly	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	you gotta have moar sex with strangers alfie!	[15:39]
BingoBoingo	!b 5	[15:39]
assbot	Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2JKW9GD.txt )	[15:39]
deedbot-	[Trilema] The V Manual Genesis - http://trilema.com/2016/the-v-manual-genesis/	[15:40]
ascii_butugychag	i will note that the few actual women attending were creatures straight out of mircea_popescu's okc articles	[15:40]
ascii_butugychag	apparently! they are not kept in some specially designated zoo	[15:40]
BingoBoingo	Gotta fix that	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	nicely done PeterL	[15:41]
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mircea_popescu	heh	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	"When such an enormous amount of crucial data (on the need to raise the blocksize limit) is ignored, that is done at the peril of the project." dude what is with all the derps ffs.	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	what crucial data ? who who either holds any significant bitcoin, or runs any significant ~bitcoin~ business said ever anything about increasing block size ?	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	it hasn't happened yet! there's a pile of data about how people UNINVOLVED in bitcoin in ANY capacity want to "improve" it, preferabvly in such a manner that their continued uninvolvement is less to their own detriment.	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	big fucking whoop.	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	here's an idea : there's an enormous amount of crucial data coming from all arab speakers that muricans should sit on a fucking pike from now on. because satan and such reasons.	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	what's the progress on this deeply uncontroversial technical solution ? hm ?	[15:58]
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BingoBoingo	Seriously. I don't get the drive to adopt solutions pushed by ventures who broke doing things like http://qntra.net/2014/12/bitcoin-bowl-recap-nc-state-wins-34-27/	[15:59]
assbot	Bitcoin Bowl Recap: NC State Wins (34-27) \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1PbIaGw )	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	is random redditard even the same guy ?	[15:59]
BingoBoingo	No idea	[15:59]
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BingoBoingo	Likely though considering it harmonizes with his twatter's noise	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	https://falkvinge.net/contact/ << derp "has experience" in stuff, no pgp sig.	[16:01]
assbot	Contact - Falkvinge on Infopolicy ... ( http://bit.ly/1PbIncU )	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	psssh.	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	ah here it is.	[16:01]
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mircea_popescu	!rate 8FF6B4382C3FE0C9700C7FD3DD2C5E65A090A6CE -1 less opining more reading.	[16:02]
assbot	8FF6B4382C3FE0C9700C7FD3DD2C5E65A090A6CE is not registered in WoT.	[16:02]
punkman	might be nice if assbot let us rate arbitrary gpg keys	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	nah, enough to have the sort of crud in the logs, no need to put it in active db	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	should any tim swanson want to show up later, it's rather trivial to !s anyway	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375237 << yes this makes sense, yes it's there fundamentally.	[16:05]
assbot	Logged on 18-01-2016 16:01:42; ascii_butugychag: no implicit delegations.	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375252 << technically the ml is a soft fork on v chain ? :D	[16:07]
assbot	Logged on 18-01-2016 16:08:48; jurov: mod6 if it can validate a signature (by name, NOT by scanning all files), it will add to its v mirror	[16:07]
mod6	<+mircea_popescu> mod6 you wanna write the [implementation] part and i bitch at you ? seems a better approach than the reverse. << haha, ok. i probably wont get a start on this until later tonight tho. hope that's alright.	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	no rush.	[16:08]
BingoBoingo	... << technically the ml is a soft fork on v chain ? :D << I think of it as more a concordance for the v chain	[16:11]
BingoBoingo	No reason to adapt PowerDerp language when there's already words for handling canon and accompanying accessories	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	:p	[16:13]
BingoBoingo	later tell danielpbarron Given your proclivities... perhaps you can do a draft manifesto for using language to describe relations between v-ified software and the things that surround it.	[16:13]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell danielpbarron Given your proclivities... perhaps you can do a draft manifesto for using language to describe relations between v-ified software and the things that surround it.	[16:14]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[16:14]
danielpbarron	do what now?	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	#b-a can always be trusted to ferrer out crushingly impossible tasks for people more or less alligned with their interests.	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	i am starting to think it's part of the appeal.	[16:16]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: If v is used to handle a canon, what sort of language accompanies things that surround a canon	[16:16]
BingoBoingo	!up ascii_butugychag	[16:16]
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ascii_butugychag	ty BingoBoingo. and i'm a little surprised that nobody (not even pete_dushenski) mentioned talmud yet	[16:16]
ascii_butugychag	which was really the original stone age vtron.	[16:17]
BingoBoingo	ascii_butugychag: Going talmud instead of western church doesn't shit on luke	[16:17]
BingoBoingo	Or eastern church	[16:17]
BingoBoingo	Or whatevs	[16:17]
ascii_butugychag	i assume that everybody here has at least seen a page of talmud ?	[16:17]
ascii_butugychag	just the visuals	[16:17]
danielpbarron	i don't get it; you want me to write a bible or something?	[16:18]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: A guide to bilical/religious terms useful for understanding software	[16:18]
BingoBoingo	ascii_butugychag: Never seen talmud in the flesh but pulled my chumash off shelf jsut now to make sure still here	[16:19]
danielpbarron	what like "so and so patch begag such and such patch" ?	[16:20]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: But consider v or a piece of v software like Bitcoind as a bible analogue. What language describes things that go around a bible.	[16:20]
danielpbarron	begat even	[16:20]
danielpbarron	greek hebrew aramaic?	[16:20]
BingoBoingo	Like mailing list as concordance to v chain	[16:20]
BingoBoingo	what are logs	[16:21]
danielpbarron	i don't dig concordance	[16:21]
danielpbarron	i'm kinda a scripture-onlyist	[16:21]
BingoBoingo	Useful for finding and digging, even if not itself dug	[16:21]
BingoBoingo	Scripture only is useful for the already attuned, but for people seeking attunement, accessory texts offer introduction guidance, and hopefully attunement with the canon.	[16:23]
ascii_butugychag	BingoBoingo: danielpbarron's thing got perma-pressed and regenesised !!	[16:23]
ascii_butugychag	as in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375228	[16:23]
assbot	Logged on 18-01-2016 15:59:27; ascii_butugychag: after a certain point, there oughta be a new genesis.	[16:23]
BingoBoingo	ascii_butugychag: lol	[16:23]
danielpbarron	i would say that people seeking attunement should read the source and not the notes scribbled in the margins	[16:24]
BingoBoingo	aha	[16:24]
danielpbarron	the closest thing to notes that i recommend are those atruechurch articles and his writing is mostly just comparing what false teachers say to what the Bible says, complete with many references	[16:25]
BingoBoingo	Mebbe this really is more of a jew project for pete_dushenski or another member of the tribe	[16:25]
BingoBoingo	the closest thing to notes that i recommend are those atruechurch articles and his writing is mostly just comparing what false teachers say to what the Bible says, complete with many references << AHA, but what is this?	[16:25]
ascii_butugychag	the 'talmudic' view (of which my summary is by no means an expert one) is that the margin notes are like a map of a mine field	[16:26]
ascii_butugychag	yes, the only CONCLUSIVE guide to the mine field is... the ~blam~	[16:26]
ascii_butugychag	but you would ideally like to have another, 'unauthoritative' guide.	[16:27]
ascii_butugychag	before you walk in.	[16:27]
ascii_butugychag	and yes, the ultimate city fire code is your own, screaming, flaming half-corpse	[16:28]
ascii_butugychag	but most people... etc, etc.	[16:28]
BingoBoingo	but you would ideally like to have another, 'unauthoritative' guide. << Model repeated mostly successfully with other texts. i.e. relationship between the Big Book and 12&12	[16:29]
ascii_butugychag	wai wut	[16:30]
ascii_butugychag	i have no idea what these are	[16:30]
danielpbarron	if you want to talk about V like you would talk about the Bible, you need hooks to point to (like chapter verse). so in V terms is this signed patch and line number or something?	[16:30]
ascii_butugychag	danielpbarron: this is a mega-point, and my original was to have a wwwtronic thing where you could point to an individual place in timespace	[16:31]
ascii_butugychag	(line l of file f of pressing p)	[16:31]
ascii_butugychag	we still do not, afaik, have this	[16:31]
BingoBoingo	i have no idea what these are << Texts from my new cult teaching me sobriety.	[16:31]
ascii_butugychag	but it is not difficult to understand what it must look like	[16:31]
ascii_butugychag	BingoBoingo: for some reason i thought it was built on generic evangelical something-or-other	[16:31]
ascii_butugychag	at least on paper	[16:31]
danielpbarron	yes, and when you say l:f:p and I look it up, me must be looking at exactly the same code	[16:32]
ascii_butugychag	danielpbarron: aha!	[16:32]
ascii_butugychag	this is not negotiable.	[16:32]
jurov	just use three word codes. that would be defo talmudic	[16:32]
danielpbarron	heh that means V could grow to the size of planet earth	[16:32]
ascii_butugychag	l0l	[16:32]
BingoBoingo	ascii_butugychag: It's build on a generic thing forked and genericized from evangelical group refugees. Influenced heavily by William James. WHo would have though studying "Classic American Philosophy" would have been useful for understanding anything.	[16:33]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375260 << i do not want this	[16:34]
assbot	Logged on 18-01-2016 16:10:17; ascii_butugychag: has anyone a position on whether patches oughta be broken into atoms ?	[16:34]
ben_vulpes	(also 'dark age blood sports' lol)	[16:35]
BingoBoingo	"Classic American Philosophy" consists of Peirce who was cotemporaneous with James and did some interesting logic stuff. James who wrote the best American rebuttal to Hegel. Dewey who ruined everyhting with socialism.	[16:35]
ben_vulpes	http://www.investmentnews.com/article/20160113/FREE/301179999/socially-conscious-investing-gets-a-boost-from-the-dol-fiduciary-rule << gotta love how the department of labor is somehow involved in fiduciary rule-setting	[16:36]
assbot	Socially-conscious investing gets a boost from the DOL fiduciary rule ... ( http://bit.ly/1RPFWgU )	[16:36]
BingoBoingo	Then there's the black American philosophers who were largely discarded by socialists and comoonity organizers.	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	^	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	ironically enough, nobody is such an enemy of black achievement as the political party using color as a lever on the public treasury.	[16:38]
BingoBoingo	Seriously lots of great stuff from Black American philosphers until About 1890	[16:39]
BingoBoingo	America's chance of having a philosophical tradition though died between 1910 and 1920 when James died, Dewey was lionized, and everyone treated James as fringe religious thinker and not rebuttal of the Hegelian.	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	dewey of all people.	[16:40]
BingoBoingo	Not Melvil the library Dewey, John the Original Obama Dewey	[16:41]
BingoBoingo	Also distinct from the Dewey defeated by Truman	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	yes yes.	[16:42]
PeterL	Was that the original "called the election too early", or was there one before taht?	[16:42]
BingoBoingo	me has recently started rereading school he drank and pissed out of brain with fresh eye to discarding the retarded stuff.	[16:42]
BingoBoingo	Peter_L yes, in Union Station	[16:42]
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PeterL	yes, and when you say l:f:p and I look it up, me must be looking at exactly the same code << shouldn't chapter/verse be pressing:file:line ?	[16:45]
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PeterL	but bible sufferes from not having v, so who knows who added which parts	[16:46]
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mod6	!up ascii_butugychag	[16:46]
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danielpbarron	PeterL, God said He'd preserve His word and I believe Him	[16:48]
jurov	PeterL: never late to v-ify	[16:48]
PeterL	did he pgp sign that statement?	[16:48]
danielpbarron	what good is a pgp from God? He can phuctor all keys	[16:49]
PeterL	lol	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0AEEMJB.txt	[16:50]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1RPH2Jn )	[16:50]
deedbot-	accepted: 1	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	#b-a, where history's written.	[16:50]
BingoBoingo	For people who have time, William James on Hegel http://www.uky.edu/~eushe2/Pajares/jnitrous.html	[16:51]
ben_vulpes	what is this patch to disable asics?	[16:52]
ben_vulpes	ahaha and mircea_popescu is finally dating missives with block heights	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	:)	[16:53]
ben_vulpes	imho, should really read "block height 6666666"	[16:53]
ben_vulpes	but your screeds, your dating notation boss	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	waiot wut	[16:54]
ben_vulpes	s/Bitcoin blockchain/Bitcoin blockheight/	[16:55]
ben_vulpes	or even just block	[16:55]
ben_vulpes	semantics	[16:55]
ben_vulpes	disregard	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	i suppose blockheight with no almohadilla is a better notation	[16:57]
BingoBoingo	Getting high never changes: "My conclusion is that the togetherness of things in a common world, the law of sharing, of which I have said so much, may, when perceived, engender a very powerful emotion; that Hegel was so unusually susceptible to this emotion throughout his life that its gratification became his supreme end, and made him tolerably unscrupulous as to means he employed; that indifferentism is the true outcome of every	[16:58]
BingoBoingo	view of the world which make infinity and continuity to be its sessence, and that pessimistic or optimistic attitudes pertain to the mere accidental subjectivity of the moment; finally, that the identification of contradictories, so far from being the self-developing process which Hegel supposes, is really a self-consuming process, passing from the less to the more abstract, and terminating either in a laugh at the ultimate nothi	[16:58]
BingoBoingo	ngness, or in a mood of vertiginous amazement at a meaningless infinity."	[16:58]
mod6	January the 18th 2014	[16:58]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker	[16:58]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 387.0, Best ask: 387.2, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 387.24, 24 hour volume: 21043.0427483, 24 hour low: 375.01, 24 hour high: 390.0, 24 hour vwap: None	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	fun fact : # comes from a quick scribble of lb, which comes from libra pondo	[16:58]
mod6	mircea_popescu: see prev. comment	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	hm ?	[17:00]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: oblig: http://www.lawrencesupino.com/letter.html	[17:01]
assbot	The Art of Lawrence Supino-Zaporozhian Cossacks of Ukraine Writing a Mocking Letter in Reply to the Sultan of Turkey ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBQ4Dn )	[17:01]
ascii_butugychag	or hm, that's some lamer's copy	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	heh	[17:02]
ascii_butugychag	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Repin_Cossacks.jpg	[17:02]
assbot	File:Repin Cossacks.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBQ9qF )	[17:02]
ascii_butugychag	^ the original	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	!s cossacks	[17:02]
assbot	6 results for 'cossacks' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cossacks	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	there they be.	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	jurov you know what they mean by textuality, intertextuality and all that jazz ?	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	(not in the sense that the post-structuralist blabla is even indicative, nor that the original structuralist view dispositive. but even in a much more restrained, conservative view, the concept carries water.)	[17:06]
mod6	<+mircea_popescu> hm ? <+mircea_popescu> deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0AEEMJB.txt <+mod6> January the 18th 2014	[17:08]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1RPH2Jn )	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	(indicative and dispositive are used here, ftr, as classical legal concepts. something's indicative if it contains or procures a means to evaluate the truth of a claim. something's dispositive if it is the means to resolve a claim.)	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha i signed it as 2014 ?	[17:09]
mod6	:D	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	lol i guess this shows just how unreliable the non-blockchgain timestamp is	[17:09]
mod6	time doesn't matter anyway, only the block height matters	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	either that or i had the thing lying around on my hdd for two years to the day now	[17:09]
mod6	haha, ya	[17:09]
ascii_butugychag	lucky mircea_popescu isn't a sapper !	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	if i were a sapper i'd have long ago moved on to relaxing by the maker's pool.	[17:11]
jurov	mircea_popescu: no	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	jurov well if you're bored you can read up on literary theory. if not, your question can't really be answered.	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	the saussure - derrirda debate prolly a good starting point.	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	for your sins you'll have to brush almost as much crud off all that stuff as anyone trying to use linux today.	[17:13]
*	mircea_popescu just realised we're actually in danger of falling into a unified theory of everything with all this, and nobody'll even understand it.	[17:16]
jurov	"true cuz God said so"	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	hm ?	[17:16]
jurov	it will end up like ^	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	nah it'll end up like "true because there in principle can't exist a system in which you could formulate a contradiction".	[17:17]
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BingoBoingo	deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3NC67M7.txt	[17:17]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PBRJcg )	[17:17]
deedbot-	accepted: 1	[17:17]
BingoBoingo	!up ascii_butugychag	[17:17]
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mircea_popescu	people love to view the field of expression as unfinite. then again, they loved to see the west the same way.	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo fuck you, hegel would totally kick your boy's butt.	[17:18]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Perhaps historical hegel would. Hegel as used by derps that spz popular socialist conception of hegel can eat a dick.	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	oh that. no contest.	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	poor guy would have an aneurism.	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	most likely go ask for an audience with hitler to complain.	[17:19]
BingoBoingo	For all practical purposes actual historical Hegel is irrelevant to discussions of popular hegelianism	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	"was a great man"	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	"fought the devils"	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	there's a delicious mockery of this, century+old. sadly, in romanian,	[17:20]
BingoBoingo	aha	[17:21]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: In the United States "Hegelianism" was for time a derpy populist movement among the class that would birth Clitler. These are the people who would latch on to John Dewey.	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	aha	[17:23]
BingoBoingo	deeding was a response to https://archive.is/70Zz9	[17:23]
assbot	2016 Could Be Bitcoin's Year If We Help It - Bitcoin News ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRsjL0 )	[17:23]
BingoBoingo	Hegelianism though refers to a specific Anglophone phenomenon unrelated to actual Hegel	[17:23]
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*	BingoBoingo might have to fire up the not-Qntra blogotron this week to go over this	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	fancy that one!	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i'd read.	[17:26]
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ascii_butugychag	in other nyooz, HOLY SHIT is 'flycheck' (the supposed replacement, pushed everywhere one meets shithub types, for 'flymake') a piece of shit !!	[17:28]
BingoBoingo	It's a clear candidate for not Qntra as writing it would be for my personal development rather than reporting of Bitcoin news. Because deep intellectual failings presented by other outlets is not news in itself	[17:29]
ascii_butugychag	emacs 24 on mac BREAKS flymake	[17:29]
ascii_butugychag	which is THE standard compile-and-markup-your-window-with-errors-and-warnings widget for emacs	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375566 << "read the code" huh.	[17:29]
assbot	Logged on 18-01-2016 19:22:47; danielpbarron: i would say that people seeking attunement should read the source and not the notes scribbled in the margins	[17:30]
ascii_butugychag	flymake was very simple, it just ran your makefile, which was required to have a check-syntax line in it (see, e.g., my block extractor program for example)	[17:30]
ascii_butugychag	as such it did not care what cpu you built for, etc	[17:30]
ascii_butugychag	cray, nintendo, etc	[17:30]
ascii_butugychag	so long as you had gnumake	[17:30]
ascii_butugychag	whereas 'flycheck' IGNORES makefiles	[17:30]
BingoBoingo	First notable change in the wake of Silbert/Selkis Coindesk takeover: "currently only two nascent bitcoin platforms worth watching in 2016: Coinbase and 21 Inc" https://archive.is/MWlK3	[17:30]
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assbot	5 Big Questions for Bitcoin in 2016 - CoinDesk ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBSTVf )	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	!up drnet	[17:30]
BingoBoingo	!up drnet	[17:30]
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ascii_butugychag	and so you have to set custom environment variables to set include paths, or gcc flags, etc	[17:31]
ascii_butugychag	and SATAN HELP YOU if you have clang on your machine	[17:31]
ascii_butugychag	it will INSIST on using it.	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i recall the "currently only bitcoinica and blabla" expert opinions of years past. anyone old enough to remember shtylman, the genius-boy-expert with a funny hat of 2013 ?	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	the one that was going to save us through his boyish good looks and vctron smarts ?	[17:31]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I think that was maye 2012	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	was it ?	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	perhaps it was huh.	[17:32]
BingoBoingo	yeah, 2013 I would have seen it	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	epic interview, i think the last one too, on the tv show of that guy with the camera in demo mode	[17:32]
ascii_butugychag	https://github.com/flycheck/flycheck/blob/master/flycheck.el#L5768 << example of what i meant	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	bruce fagwith or what was his name.	[17:32]
ascii_butugychag	i am only speaking of this here because it turns out to be a PERFECT example of poetteringization	[17:32]
ascii_butugychag	encountered by surprise in something i rely on every day	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag and i only don't say anything because i'm rahter unsurprised.	[17:33]
ascii_butugychag	so lo and behold i find, https://github.com/flycheck/flycheck/issues/207	[17:33]
assbot	Allow arbitrary commandline arguments for the clang checker · Issue #207 · flycheck/flycheck · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBT96p )	[17:33]
ascii_butugychag	'@sethfowler I won't allow arbitrary command lines for syntax checkers. ... Tell me, which concrete flags you need, and I'll add corresponding options.'	[17:33]
ascii_butugychag	(author)	[17:33]
ascii_butugychag	and i go to the site, and guess what i see,	[17:33]
ascii_butugychag	http://www.flycheck.org/conduct.html	[17:33]
assbot	Flycheck Code of Conduct — Flycheck ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBTbv9 )	[17:34]
ascii_butugychag	bubonic derplague in full bloom !!	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag guy seems willing to accomodate tho	[17:34]
BingoBoingo	ascii_butugychag: Interested in doing a rant for Qntra on the "code of conduct" phenomenon and poetteringization?	[17:34]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: aha, he will put in my individual custom include paths, sure thing	[17:35]
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mircea_popescu	seems there's a -std= added for instance	[17:35]
ascii_butugychag	THIS IS TO BE READ FROM THE MOTHERFUCKING MAKEFILE	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	and they end up adding -include ?	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	yeah well.	[17:35]
ascii_butugychag	i develop for 5 different cpus.	[17:35]
BingoBoingo	!b 6	[17:35]
assbot	Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1MC33E6.txt )	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	Adapted from the Rust Code of Conduct.	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	Copyright (c) 2015 Sebastian Wiesner and Flycheck contributors	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	Copyright (c) 2014 The Rust Project Developers	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	what's rust again ?	[17:36]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: you know this fella?	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[17:36]
BingoBoingo	Rust is Mozilla's "systems programming" language	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	"And if someone takes issue with something you said or did, resist the urge to be defensive. Just stop doing what it was they complained about and apologize. Even if you feel you were misinterpreted or unfairly accused, chances are good there was something you could have communicated better — remember that it’s your responsibility to make your fellow Flycheck people comfortable."	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	ahahahaha holy shit.	[17:36]
ascii_butugychag	what i want to know is how this became a standard	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	flycheck is hereby banned from anywhere	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	don't fucking include it, i will negrate you.	[17:36]
ascii_butugychag	and emacs was allowed to decay to the point where the tool that ACTUALLY FUCKING WORKS AND IS 100 LINES AND NEVER EVER BREAKS is now broken	[17:37]
ascii_butugychag	i spent all day trying to get this piece of not-even-qualified-to-be-shit to run	[17:37]
ascii_butugychag	then realized that it is ~intrinsically~ unusable for any serious project	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	foofoos an feefees are the responsibility of the foofoo-feefeer and his alone what the fuck already.	[17:38]
ascii_butugychag	then realized that the motherfucker prolly gets away with this because.. makefiles are 'out of fashion' !	[17:38]
ascii_butugychag	one is, i suspect, supposed to use some proprietary build system, such as crapple's	[17:38]
ascii_butugychag	unless you're a terrorist.	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	i wish to know what other definition for immaturity can be had, than a subjective expectations of others to accommodate your feelings.	[17:39]
ascii_butugychag	https://github.com/flycheck/flycheck/blob/master/flycheck.el#L5807 << BEHOLD, all of the things that are supposed to be gcc flags, ENUMERATED	[17:39]
assbot	flycheck/flycheck.el at master · flycheck/flycheck · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdoW0R )	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	if you feel hurt in any way to any degree by anything you read - the problem is you. fix yourself.	[17:39]
ascii_butugychag	imagine if your car came with a list of all possible streets it can make left turns into	[17:39]
ascii_butugychag	and if your street is not on this list, shuddup and die.	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag i fully expect this is where us car production is headed.	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	"you don't buy a car - you merely acquire the right to transport yourself according to the tos etc".	[17:40]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: aha. this is only not yet achieved for purely technical reasons.	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	gotta give itinerary at dealership	[17:40]
ascii_butugychag	;;later tell ben_vulpes any idea why 'flymake' on mac never finds makefiles ?	[17:40]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:40]
ascii_butugychag	oh and i suppose for completeness of this thread i oughta mention one other thing	[17:41]
ascii_butugychag	check out http://www.flycheck.org/manual/latest/Installation.html#Installation	[17:41]
assbot	Flycheck: Installation ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jdpbt4 )	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	o look, script finally terminated. now here's 6gb worth of okcupid profiles including as best as i can discern all females to sift through.	[17:41]
ascii_butugychag	it wants to load from the net !!	[17:41]
ascii_butugychag	with fashionable ! dependencies !	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:41]
ascii_butugychag	such as:	[17:42]
ascii_butugychag	https://github.com/magnars/dash.el	[17:42]
assbot	magnars/dash.el: A modern list library for ... - GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBU1rJ )	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	:D	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	MODERN!	[17:42]
ascii_butugychag	'A modern list library for Emacs'	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	schmucks.	[17:42]
ascii_butugychag	https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/let-alist.html	[17:42]
ascii_butugychag	and, lastly, https://github.com/NicolasPetton/seq.el	[17:43]
assbot	NicolasPetton/seq.el - Emacs Lisp - GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBU3A1 )	[17:43]
ascii_butugychag	and these all, at least if you use the recommended installer (no other instructions are provided), loaded from the net straight	[17:43]
ascii_butugychag	without anything like pgp sigs, etc	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375582 << not for any fundamental reason tho	[17:43]
assbot	Logged on 18-01-2016 19:29:51; ascii_butugychag: (line l of file f of pressing p)	[17:43]
ascii_butugychag	i was going to write an actual blog post about the flycheck thing	[17:44]
ascii_butugychag	but could not do it	[17:44]
ascii_butugychag	just made me ill.	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375591 << i lollered.	[17:45]
assbot	Logged on 18-01-2016 19:30:58; jurov: just use three word codes. that would be defo talmudic	[17:45]
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mircea_popescu	can they be capitalized so we're as cool as NSA and early LISP ? MECHANICGIRAFFESORBET	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	TERTIARYMINTGLASS	[17:46]
ascii_butugychag	iirc somebody wrote a very spiffy generator for these.	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	SQUIRRELPREPUCEDELUGE	[17:47]
ascii_butugychag	urgh	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	shut up and swim like a man!	[17:47]
*	ascii_butugychag swims.	[17:47]
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mircea_popescu	lol he drowned.	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	!up ascii_butugychag	[17:47]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_butugychag for 30 minutes.	[17:47]
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ascii_butugychag	been swimming in precisely it, all day, even...	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	you know the "break's over, head down" joke ?	[17:48]
jurov	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375677 << and how is this different from "undecidable statement"?	[17:48]
assbot	Logged on 18-01-2016 20:15:48; mircea_popescu: nah it'll end up like "true because there in principle can't exist a system in which you could formulate a contradiction".	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	jurov an undecidable statement is one for which it is not known if an invalidating case exists.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	if it is known an invalidating case can't exist this implies truth.	[17:49]
jurov	no	[17:49]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: everybody knows it i think	[17:49]
ascii_butugychag	with the programmer in hell.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	aha	[17:49]
jurov	undecidable statement is proven to not have discoverable answer	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	jurov this is still not the same.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375595 << i think it's bad also. not merely the sports thing, but, it offends the will of the author.	[17:52]
assbot	Logged on 18-01-2016 19:32:56; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375260 << i do not want this	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	if he wanted to make two patches, he would have. if you wish to invalidate his call, make the two fucking patches and sign them. goes right back to the "implicit trust" machinery thing.	[17:53]
ascii_butugychag	i'm persuaded.	[17:55]
jurov	mircea_popescu: still, then it would be the first successful ever of non-axiomatic proof of nonexistence	[17:55]
ascii_butugychag	sorta why i didn't cut'em up to begin with	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	jurov yes.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	i did say it's scandalous. this is no small part of why.	[17:56]
ben_vulpes	ascii_butugychag: it's haskell, who knows or cares	[18:00]
ben_vulpes	it's your gulagbox, who knows or cares	[18:00]
ascii_butugychag	ben_vulpes: holy shit wat??!	[18:00]
ben_vulpes	flycheck?	[18:00]
ascii_butugychag	ben_vulpes: i was asking about ~flymake~	[18:00]
ben_vulpes	oh	[18:00]
ascii_butugychag	y'know, the thing that people actually use	[18:00]
ascii_butugychag	and is built into emacs	[18:00]
ben_vulpes	ah	[18:00]
ascii_butugychag	not the heathen 'alternative'	[18:00]
ben_vulpes	no idear	[18:00]
adlai	AdrianG aegis- ahmed_ Alopex alpalp alphonse23_ amiller Anduck Apocalyptic artifexd ascii_butugychag asciilifeform assbot Azelphur	[18:00]
ascii_butugychag	how the fuq do you even program	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag if you ask it, flymake also built into emacs 25.	[18:01]
ascii_butugychag	it is	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	right.	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	uh i mean flycheck	[18:01]
ascii_butugychag	but it appears to be broken on crapple os 10.10 and above.	[18:01]
ascii_butugychag	mno	[18:01]
ascii_butugychag	flycheck is built into nothing.	[18:01]
ascii_butugychag	rms did not accept it into emacs tree.	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Flycheck ?	[18:01]
assbot	EmacsWiki: Flycheck ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdrHQ1 )	[18:01]
ascii_butugychag	victim^H^H^H^H^user has to install.	[18:01]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: http://www.flycheck.org	[18:02]
assbot	Syntax checking for GNU Emacs — Flycheck ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdrKLJ )	[18:02]
ascii_butugychag	perpetrator's site.	[18:02]
ben_vulpes	lol mircea_popescu is using a box with ready access to emacs 25?!	[18:02]
ascii_butugychag	~flymake~ comes with emacs.	[18:03]
ben_vulpes	uh i mean flycheck	[18:03]
ascii_butugychag	flycheck does not come with emacs and probably will not until rms dies.	[18:04]
ascii_butugychag	(at which point it will likely be renamed poetteringmacs and ~will~ ship with flycheck.)	[18:04]
ben_vulpes	i'm not arguing that	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	"Since this library is in Emacs 25, contributors must have signed the Emacs Copyright assignment." << had remanence from seq-el.	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	a sequella so to speak	[18:05]
ascii_butugychag	MODERN lists !	[18:06]
ascii_butugychag	sequences !	[18:06]
ascii_butugychag	fuckwits	[18:06]
ascii_butugychag	when do we get MODERN!!1111111 arithmetic!?	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	from DoL soon enough.	[18:06]
ben_vulpes	department of lolz	[18:07]
ascii_butugychag	wanna know the funny part ?	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	department of lolz and your increased 50g pbj rations.	[18:07]
ben_vulpes	sure	[18:07]
ascii_butugychag	i ASKED FOR this machine.	[18:07]
ascii_butugychag	because the alternative, the only alternative, was... well, the last machine	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	alf should star in a modern married with children, "i work on computers for a living"	[18:08]
ascii_butugychag	where it took me months to sort-of set things up, and wrangle gentoo, and still ended up with not-quite-working video etc	[18:08]
ascii_butugychag	and no suspend mode	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	"and it's not as bad as you think"	[18:08]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: unfortunately i don't get the reference	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	there's this sitcom about a guy with an idle wife.	[18:09]
ben_vulpes	ascii_butugychag: this is what you get for trying to do s33r1ous wurk! on a portable	[18:09]
ascii_butugychag	ben_vulpes: there is no escape from portable.	[18:10]
ascii_butugychag	none.	[18:10]
ben_vulpes	dirigible!	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	really strong friend ?	[18:10]
ben_vulpes	and i suppose broomstick.	[18:10]
ascii_butugychag	only broomstick.	[18:10]
ascii_butugychag	or nagant, i suppose.	[18:10]
ben_vulpes	no but why must you have the computing device with you?	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	my bitchez can benchpress me! get some to carry your desktop!!1	[18:10]
ascii_butugychag	ben_vulpes: to ever get to work remotely ?	[18:10]
ben_vulpes	is this for the /chance/ to do so or the /promise/ to do so?	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag can't you just mount a proper computer somehwere and...uhh... ssh into it ? or i guess telnet lol.	[18:11]
ben_vulpes	if chance, it's a poor gamble. if it's a promise, why can't they buy a box for your haus?	[18:11]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: doesn't work so great with multiple gigantic displays	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag yes, it does. let me do some math for you.	[18:11]
ascii_butugychag	ben_vulpes: korporate kulture	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	one hour of employee time, admitting you get paid $100, costs your employer ~250 or so.	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	the choice between whipping up ten desktops in fixed positions and having you spend a week dicking around with shittops should be obvious,	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	to the accountants if no one else.	[18:12]
ben_vulpes	ascii_butugychag: did not answer the question.	[18:12]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375384 << top kek	[18:13]
assbot	Logged on 18-01-2016 16:47:45; punkman: uppercase verbs for #b-a RFC: MUST, MUST NOT, FUCK YOU	[18:13]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: here on my planet, none of this has anything to do with people getting things actually done	[18:13]
ascii_butugychag	and everything to do with ceremony	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	your planet sucks.	[18:13]
ascii_butugychag	nyooz at 11!11111	[18:14]
ascii_butugychag	every slave gets ONE plough^H^H^H^H^Hcomputer.	[18:15]
ben_vulpes	i do not understand this hair shirt buying into of corporate culture	[18:16]
ascii_butugychag	ben_vulpes: what is the alternative ?	[18:16]
ascii_butugychag	shoot yourself in the head every morning until you wake up as a mircea_popescu ?	[18:17]
ben_vulpes	not doing dumb shit!	[18:17]
ben_vulpes	actually talking to managers	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	"doc, it hurts if i do this!"	[18:17]
ben_vulpes	dude programmers in america are the most spoiled group in terms of bennies and tolerance of absurd work behavior and yet you insist that you must conf0rm!	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	^	[18:17]
ascii_butugychag	ben_vulpes: i'm not a programmer.	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	not even whores.	[18:18]
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ben_vulpes	what pray tell are you in your bosses eyes	[18:18]
BingoBoingo	!up ascii_butugychag	[18:18]
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ben_vulpes	not your real true self	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	this is where we find out alf has been working as party organizer all these years.	[18:18]
mod6	<+ben_vulpes> dude programmers in america are the most spoiled group in terms of bennies and tolerance of absurd work behavior and yet you insist that you must conf0rm! << for sure.	[18:18]
ascii_butugychag	ben_vulpes: no, i meant literally, i work as something somewhat else	[18:19]
ben_vulpes	i am asking what precisely that is in your bosses eyes	[18:19]
ben_vulpes	because if you put it to writing it is going to read as "programmer"	[18:19]
mod6	"unprogrammer"	[18:19]
ascii_butugychag	ben_vulpes: boss thinks i'm a... mathematician	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	he works for something that requires computers but is not a computerist thing! alf is that fabulous creature from ro folklore, "half man riding half a limp rabbit"	[18:20]
ascii_butugychag	tax declaration reads 'sr research engineer' (what this means, nobody knows)	[18:20]
trinque	and "fuck you I wont work on this shit" passes for a guy moving rectangles around in a web browser.	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	only gets one half at a time of all things. depending on context, the one or the other half.	[18:20]
trinque	and he gets 700 bucks to put his ass on too	[18:20]
ascii_butugychag	and now i'm perplexed	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	https://archive.is/x8JjF#selection-175.451-175.501 << sauce. afaik this is actually original	[18:21]
assbot	Aleodor împărat - Wikisource ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnBEFq )	[18:21]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: the funny part is that technically it does not require computer. i am free to attempt the project with a pencil.	[18:22]
ascii_butugychag	and just might, soon enough, at this rate.	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	a sitting pencil or a writing pencil ?	[18:22]
ascii_butugychag	a breaking in frustration pencil.	[18:22]
BingoBoingo	trinque: Is http://deedbot.org/ behind or are deeds not being blockchained?	[18:22]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1UxGNEF )	[18:22]
trinque	it is indeed behind	[18:22]
trinque	bout 10 blox	[18:22]
mod6	deedbot running trb?	[18:22]
trinque	not yet; I have one syncing that is at roughly 350k	[18:23]
mod6	tits man	[18:23]
BingoBoingo	!s deedbot:	[18:25]
assbot	: http://s.b-a.link/?q=deedbot%3A	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	uh	[18:26]
BingoBoingo	!s deedbot	[18:26]
assbot	2575 results for 'deedbot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=deedbot	[18:26]
BingoBoingo	apparently doesn't like colon	[18:26]
trinque	he's got a dash, deedbot-	[18:26]
BingoBoingo	ah	[18:26]
trinque	though I have snagged "deedbot" too; new version will join under that before long	[18:27]
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ben_vulpes	guy really insists on his particular brand of suffering	[18:41]
ben_vulpes	wb to the states, mthreat :D	[18:41]
ascii_butugychag	ben_vulpes: i think he always connected from a bounce box in usa	[18:41]
ascii_butugychag	(no idea why, ask him)	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag he couldn't afford a laptop.	[18:46]
ascii_butugychag	wai wasn't mthreat a political prisoner in usa ?	[18:46]
ascii_butugychag	why would he come back	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	huh ?	[18:47]
ascii_butugychag	possibly i have names mixed up, nm	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	i was just poking fun at your "must have laptop to remotely" thing	[18:48]
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BingoBoingo	!up ascii_butugychag	[18:50]
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mircea_popescu	in other lulz, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/identity-crisis-is-me.png	[18:52]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1P1f36Z )	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	all that's left is for me to hope that one day i might be as cool as myself.	[18:52]
shinohai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375976 <<< >.<	[18:53]
assbot	Logged on 18-01-2016 21:51:14; mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/identity-crisis-is-me.png	[18:53]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: recall the thread (i am having trouble digging it up) where i explained why just about nobody in usaschwitz gets to be 100% remote ?	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	aha	[18:54]
ascii_butugychag	(it is, really, to keep people from 'infidelity', collecting multiple salaries)	[18:54]
ascii_butugychag	also to keep'em from taking their bezzle and turning it into turkeys in paraguay	[18:55]
ascii_butugychag	we did this thread. where is it?!	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	doesn't matter, ima keep pushing!	[18:55]
ascii_butugychag	incidentally, your local mains power company will also shit bricks if you have serious inductive loads in your house (shifts phase, interferes with their metering)	[18:56]
ascii_butugychag	sort of similar phenomenon	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	they couldn't care less / have nfi what anything is.	[18:57]
ascii_butugychag	try it.	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	i have.	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	i suppose i should take a pic of the meters for your amusement. they look like they were exported from the su, cca 1930.	[18:58]
ascii_butugychag	at any rate it will look INDISTINGUISHABLE from a bypassed meter and in most countries this leads to 'problemz'	[18:58]
ascii_butugychag	but i can't speak for mircea_popescu's orcs, aha.	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	yes, but in argentina public notary feels not one bit threatened by bypassing vat.	[18:58]
ascii_butugychag	i suspect it's a 'quod licet jovi..' situation	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	moreover, i paid 200 peso (~15 bucks) for 375 KWh burned.	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	this is less than half what it costs even in romania (major exporter)	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	at that price i doubt it's worth their time to even find out.	[19:00]
ascii_butugychag	anyway it was example.	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	yeah, just, happened to be the lulzy.	[19:00]
ascii_butugychag	and holy shit does emacs debugger suck balls.	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	shoulda gone with nano.	[19:04]
mod6	yeah, i used to be basically 100% remote. and it was awesome.	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	way of the future, imo.	[19:04]
mod6	totally. there is absolutely no reason for me to be sitting where i am right now.	[19:05]
mod6	these fuckin lollipops are bouncing up and down on exercise balls.	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	wait. wait what ?!	[19:06]
mod6	how do they expect men in three-piece suits to entertain the idea of bouncing on a fucking ball all day long.	[19:06]
mod6	instead of chairs they give you the option of sitting on a ball. i thought these balls were just for bending girls over on.	[19:06]
BingoBoingo	trinque: Are you sure deedbot- is only ~10 blocks behind? I'm not seeing any of today's deeds on the www	[19:07]
mod6	but apparently not. people sit on these things, and they bounce all day while they "work".	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	also why the fuck do people keep spelling impostor with an e. no latin where they live ?	[19:07]
BingoBoingo	^ yes	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	mod6 oh! i thought you had a buncha lolis at your office doing ball yoga stuff.	[19:07]
mod6	yeah, these guys are lollies	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:08]
mod6	imagine a room full of early 20something guys on balls, and then ole mod6 in a suit with a look of disdain.	[19:08]
mod6	someday... shit is gonna be different.	[19:09]
trinque	BingoBoingo: I'm working on it; it was about 10 behind a while ago, getting worse	[19:09]
BingoBoingo	AH	[19:09]
trinque	I'm having it connect= to dulap to see if that helps the limp	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	this is pretty lol.	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	;;bc,stats	[19:12]
gribble	Current Blocks: 393926 \| Current Difficulty: 1.1335429980147113E11 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 395135 \| Next Difficulty In: 1209 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 20 hours, 51 minutes, and 49 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: None \| Estimated Percent Change: None	[19:12]
BingoBoingo	;;nethash	[19:12]
gribble	881949490.199	[19:12]
ascii_butugychag	the ball thing is supposed to keep you constantly writhing	[19:15]
ascii_butugychag	as in the old english torture of 'the room of little ease'	[19:15]
ascii_butugychag	we have something like that here, a few blokes sitting on what looks like upturned trash cans	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	isn't it supposed to be good for your back or something ?	[19:16]
ascii_butugychag	there's one in my office, using it as a footrest sometimes	[19:16]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: somethinglikethat	[19:16]
BingoBoingo	It's good for developing back and core strength, but probably not so good to be used full time as chair substitute.	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[19:16]
jurov	i have one too, good to occassionally exchange for chair. can't imagine whole day	[19:17]
jurov	lying on it with head hanging down causes exceptional relaxation useful for certain purposes	[19:18]
ascii_butugychag	soooo it turns out that "locate-dominating-file" is broken under emacs24 + recent crapple	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	girls love it for workout/yoga stuff	[19:18]
ascii_butugychag	am i LITERALLY THE ONLY ONE who noticed ??/	[19:19]
*	BingoBoingo has actually be considering getting one	[19:20]
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jurov	i am currently trying emacs with evilmode and it goes in on my nerves, these layers upon layers	[19:22]
jurov	!up ascii_butugychag	[19:22]
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shinohai	mod6 I need an ominous name for my node	[19:22]
jurov	ominous.b-a.link	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	scareaoshi ?	[19:23]
ascii_butugychag	kolyma.	[19:25]
BingoBoingo	shinohai: What interests do you have outside Bitcoin	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	Коще́й.b-a.link	[19:25]
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shinohai	Reading. I still like old-fashioned books so I spend a lot of time in Library.	[19:26]
ascii_butugychag	l0l so easy to tell that mircea_popescu cut'n'pasted from pediwik	[19:27]
ascii_butugychag	see in ru we don't take shits on top of letterz.	[19:27]
BingoBoingo	shinohai: Most dreaded thing in library is MARC and assorted cataloguing nonsense	[19:27]
shinohai	I still like Newspapers too, so you can read NY Times without the paywall and adware nonsense.	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	ascii_butugychag i dun keep a non-sane kbd around so the only way to get stuff like the gullemets or kyrilix or such is to google.	[19:30]
ascii_butugychag	mircea_popescu: i have never in my entire life touched a non-latin kbd	[19:32]
ascii_butugychag	(with possible exception of one odd jp kbd i have lying around)	[19:33]
ascii_butugychag	i use translit entry.	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	whassat ?	[19:33]
ascii_butugychag	http://translit.net << example	[19:33]
assbot	Транслит по-русски ... ( http://bit.ly/1nfZSwI )	[19:33]
ascii_butugychag	(needs js)	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	lolkthx.	[19:33]
ascii_butugychag	for those on lynx etc: it is a phonetic thing	[19:33]
ascii_butugychag	with a couple of exceptions, letters entirely missing, like ь	[19:34]
ascii_butugychag	these get mapped onto keys like q and [] etc	[19:34]
ascii_butugychag	in other nyoooz,	[19:36]
ascii_butugychag	'flymake' (not flycheck!!11) ~will~ work if you use the copy that came with emacs 24.	[19:36]
ascii_butugychag	rather than a decade-old .el.	[19:36]
ascii_butugychag	for the possibly 3 other people on the planet who give half a fuck ^^^^	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	let's hope they're mostly womenz.	[19:44]
ascii_butugychag	well 1 i know is	[19:45]
ascii_butugychag	(i keep it as a pet)	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	good cuz otherwise what if it was a recessiv e gene!	[19:48]
ascii_butugychag	l0l	[19:49]
ascii_butugychag	sorta lulzy, how if i didn't have a decade-old turd sitting in ~/emacs/site-lisp, i would never have gone off the reservation and learned about the flycheck crud	[19:51]
ascii_butugychag	would have happily carried on not knowing about systemd also, if had not..... etc	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	aha	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	"but my son and my daughter	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	came out of the water	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	said papa, you've promised you'd play...	[19:53]
ascii_butugychag	where was this	[19:53]
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mircea_popescu	and the night comes on	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	it's very cold...	[19:54]
BingoBoingo	!up ascii_butugychag	[19:54]
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*	BingoBoingo waits for trinque and deedbot- to catch up so I can publish the news of the day	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB6qE1W5fUM	[19:54]
assbot	Leonard Cohen - Night Comes On (live 1985) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ng3LBB )	[19:54]
ascii_butugychag	ah.	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	amusingly the best american poetry is by a canadian dude.	[19:57]
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pete_dushenski	so after dying overnight (logs if anyone cares: http://dpaste.com/2NNQG6Y.txt), tevye was treated to his first proper blackholing today (logs if anyone cares: http://dpaste.com/0ENVMK9.txt). a steady 20-40 blocks behind for the past 7 hours or so until i finally said fuck it and re-started. he's now happily chomping away and should be back up to full height shortly.	[20:25]
assbot	Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBZLSE )	[20:25]
assbot	Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBZM8W )	[20:25]
pete_dushenski	looked like bucephalus was stuck at one point earlier as well. and zoolag is consistently trailing too. (at least according to bitnodes)	[20:26]
pete_dushenski	tough day on the ol' relay network.	[20:26]
trinque	BingoBoingo: I shall ping ya.	[20:30]
pete_dushenski	relevant : http://trilema.com/2015/the-actual-state-of-the-bitcoin-network/	[20:32]
assbot	The actual state of the Bitcoin network on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OC0KC7 )	[20:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62100 @ 0.00053099 = 32.9745 BTC [+] {2}	[20:33]
pete_dushenski	OMFGTGWKU << could anyone else not parse this ?	[20:33]
BingoBoingo	trinque: ty	[20:37]
*	BingoBoingo will have to change mentions of "today" to "yesterday"	[20:37]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375896 << damn. can they deadlift 1.x bodyweight too ?	[20:39]
assbot	Logged on 18-01-2016 21:09:20; mircea_popescu: my bitchez can benchpress me! get some to carry your desktop!!1	[20:39]
*	pete_dushenski 's pb deadlift updated from 1.4x to 1.7x bw	[20:40]
pete_dushenski	because pantagruel. (what else ?)	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	so i just butchered the world's most idiotic computer case	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	you can not begin to comprehend this without pictures. the fucking power vent was actually UNDER the case.	[20:44]
pete_dushenski	lol who came up with that ? hp ?	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	kenji ro somesuch	[20:46]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: cheers on the latest two articles. just when i was starting to think that the death of trilema credits had made you lazy... bam !	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	heh	[20:47]
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pete_dushenski	too many logs, too little time. off to fiat bank. bbl.	[20:59]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139600 @ 0.00051905 = 72.4594 BTC [-] {2}	[21:14]
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mod6	the high was 0 today. damn heater broke in veehicle	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	heh the weather here's outright balmy.	[21:25]
*	mod6 goes to club a seal	[21:27]
BingoBoingo	Winterstorm advisory beginning noon tomorrow here	[21:28]
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shinohai	So long quiet, peaceful #b-a	[21:28]
deedbot-	[Trilema] The world's most contortedly idiotic computer case, in pictures. - http://trilema.com/2016/the-worlds-most-contortedly-idiotic-computer-case-in-pictures/	[21:40]
BingoBoingo	https://archive.is/sMCEx << Forbes saying a lot of nothing	[21:45]
assbot	Something Rotten In The State Of Bitcoin - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1U8irNq )	[21:45]
mod6	haha, the PS is on the bottom	[21:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86700 @ 0.00052215 = 45.2704 BTC [+]	[21:45]
mod6	"hearn said this, hearn said that, hearn said bitcoin is dead..." snore. no one cares, go back to sleep.	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	"Hearn’s concerns for Bitcoin’s prospects are both technical and political." and they can be summarized thusly "things that don't inflate can't exist because they'd make my masters look bad"	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	kinda fucking late for that shit, innit.	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	http://intellyx.com/ << for lulz. "Bring Jason Bloomberg into your organization to speak to large audiences or small. He'll help you navigate the turbulent waters of digital transformation."	[21:48]
assbot	Intellyx ... ( http://bit.ly/23baqxo )	[21:48]
BingoBoingo	lol	[21:48]
BingoBoingo	But yes, the Bloomberg fuck is the joke	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	dude looks like an ex-pick up artist or something	[21:48]
BingoBoingo	Prolly is	[21:48]
BingoBoingo	Or ex fatminist	[21:49]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all --currency deedbot-	[21:53]
gribble	Error: 'deedbot-' is not a valid currency code.	[21:53]
mod6	My build of trinque's makefiles worked (again) -- have tested two seperate gentoo machines.	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	i'm having a few more machines brought up this week.	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	with the latest patches and all.	[21:56]
mod6	shinohai: <<< works flawlessly on Deb/Ubuntu had to `export PERL_MM_OPT=` again tho. << i didn't see this issue. will see if run into it on Deb/Ubuntu when I get to it.	[21:57]
mod6	mircea_popescu: nice.	[21:57]
shinohai	I'm loving the new patches	[21:57]
mod6	whats awesome to me, is that all of this tooling is finally starting to really come together.	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	yup. it's likle you know, when you get a classic car in bad shape	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	and you toil with it for a long fucking time for nothing,	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	until one day itr actually starts purring	[21:58]
mod6	indeed, Sir. our very own Max Wedge Hemi project.	[21:58]
mod6	anyway, yeah, good stuff.	[22:00]
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trinque	BingoBoingo: chain's caught up; deed shall be farted shortly	[22:03]
trinque	I'll link ya.	[22:03]
trinque	mod6 │ My build of trinque's makefiles worked (again) -- have tested two seperate gentoo machines. << sweet.	[22:05]
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mod6	it really is sweet man. thanks a ton for working on that.	[22:07]
trinque	my pleasure	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	!s alana massey	[22:10]
assbot	1 results for 'alana massey' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=alana+massey	[22:10]
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*	asciilifeform finally home. and apparently the vomitron really worx, i was able to group theory on the train even	[22:14]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i think that box wanted a 5 inch rail adapter for 2.5 hdd	[22:14]
asciilifeform	they don't have those in un-minimo-respoto-babwe ?	[22:15]
asciilifeform	*respeto	[22:15]
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danielpbarron	re: alana massey >> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXnCUPtWQAAFZMu.jpg:large << "ass"ets :D	[22:19]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PCjykO )	[22:19]
danielpbarron	context makes the picture even better; that's apparently her new year's eve gettup	[22:19]
BingoBoingo	trinque: ty	[22:20]
asciilifeform	loads of spurious blocks incoming...	[22:24]
asciilifeform	pretty much all of the nodes under a torrential shitflood.	[22:34]
asciilifeform	ye olde blackhole also back	[22:35]
trinque	I can't relay a txn at the moment either.	[22:35]
trinque	ah, soon as I said it, finally propagated	[22:36]
asciilifeform	need moar boxen	[22:36]
asciilifeform	the current situation is pretty much 'fish in a barrel' for usgtronics	[22:36]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform fuck that.	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	adaptors now ?!	[22:46]
asciilifeform	and i bet somebody still makes 5 in. hdd	[22:46]
asciilifeform	anybody remember 'quantum bigfoot' ?	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron not bad for her age.	[22:47]
asciilifeform	but here's a seekrit: that case is prolly for folks using ssd. which are often attached with ordinary stickytape, to whatever surface	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	fuck that.	[22:47]
asciilifeform	they weigh what, 50 gram, and don't vibrate	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	you keep to the fucking standard. buncha inept farmhands.	[22:47]
asciilifeform	in all srs i have no idea where that came from	[22:47]
asciilifeform	and why.	[22:47]
asciilifeform	what prevented the ps from being in the normal human place ?	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	why. cuz we had to pretend like every inept colony is populated by like humans and shit.	[22:48]
asciilifeform	who even makes a pc case locally	[22:48]
asciilifeform	i don't think i have ever seen one that was not chinese to the hilt	[22:48]
asciilifeform	with the possible exception of my pa-risc and sgi boxen	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	these schmucks.	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	there's no fucking way the azns would have made this thing.	[22:49]
asciilifeform	(the cases of which were solid steel, with tempest mesh - copper, gilded fingers! on all contact interfaces, pure golden toilet)	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	they're not stupidly creative enough.	[22:49]
asciilifeform	i'm surprised your vendor did not also roll his own ps, out of an old soviet shaver or something	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	i did not investigate the matter closely. it's not even impossible.	[22:50]
asciilifeform	(... have you ~looked~ inside the ps!)	[22:50]
asciilifeform	at any rate i will buy a pc made in argentina some time after i buy a ru car.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	ru cars weren't that bad.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	and note that i only bought the case	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	i don't buy fucking "pcs".	[22:51]
asciilifeform	that fella who used zaporozhets chassis and toyota engine also 'only bought case'	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:52]
*	mircea_popescu kinda liked the old volgas.	[22:52]
asciilifeform	(can you even 'buy pc' any more ?)	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	mostly because crashed one as a 9yo and... nothing happened.	[22:52]
asciilifeform	l0l	[22:52]
asciilifeform	i'm pretty sure i have the last steel pc chassis here (not counting rackmounts, i do not like them in residential quarters because of the fans)	[22:53]
asciilifeform	will prolly keep using it until dead	[22:54]
asciilifeform	(until ~i'm~ dead, that is. chassis cannot die)	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	this was made of the worst zamac.	[22:55]
asciilifeform	ick	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	im not even sure what it is, zinc and cowshit most likely.	[22:55]
trinque	BingoBoingo: http://deedbot.org/bundle-393948.txt	[22:55]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JdZRDe )	[22:55]
BingoBoingo	trinque: spotted em already	[22:55]
trinque	cool.	[22:55]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Recent Bitcoin Direction - http://qntra.net/2016/01/recent-bitcoin-direction/	[22:55]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: take it to the shooting field and shoot it.	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	anyway, do you know whether the gaz was actually copied off the checker ?	[22:55]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: originally, ford	[22:57]
ben_vulpes	hohoho i just discovered that starbucks will cash out gift cards	[23:01]
ben_vulpes	evening all	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	you're like... two weeks from "bitcoin business".	[23:02]
asciilifeform	and three weeks from cellmate shrem	[23:02]
ben_vulpes	hey man someone sent me a gift card for some inscrutable reason	[23:02]
ben_vulpes	babe at the counter offered to cash the remaining two dollars out, triggering all sorts of my exclamations	[23:02]
ben_vulpes	ultimately, "no no, now i want to drink whatever's being sold as pinot gris here"	[23:03]
asciilifeform	is starbux Officially licensed as 'money transmitter' ?!!!11111	[23:03]
ben_vulpes	"but yeah give me those two bucks"	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	"In other words, although the flood of ontologic emotion was Hegelian through and through, the ground for it was nothing but the world-old principle that things are the same only so far and not farther that they are the same, or partake of a common nature"	[23:03]
ben_vulpes	straight to tip jar	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	right, right, you gotta be stupid to follow stupid and if you aren't stupid naturally lsd might help you.	[23:03]
BingoBoingo	^	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	starbux sells pinot grigio via whyte foxen ?!	[23:04]
BingoBoingo	Hence the peculiar title of the rebuttle	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	rebuttal	[23:04]
ben_vulpes	rebuttle's way mo bettle	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	it is pretty cufken cute.	[23:05]
*	asciilifeform cannot think of 'buttle' without thinking of the film 'brazil'	[23:05]
BingoBoingo	^	[23:05]
ben_vulpes	starbucks is searching for profit the only way it can be had in america, by going upmarket	[23:05]
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ben_vulpes	even brought me stale pumpkin seeds!	[23:05]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA9B6-s6r7Y	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	don't you need license to sell alcohol / tit to the general public no mo ?	[23:05]
assbot	Brazil Interrogation Scene - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Je11yn )	[23:05]
ben_vulpes	ahaha	[23:06]
ben_vulpes	wohohoho	[23:06]
ben_vulpes	hyuuuuuuuuu	[23:06]
ben_vulpes	gosh mircea_popescu you just don't understand how the world works do you	[23:06]
ben_vulpes	sell alcohol with no booze?	[23:06]
ben_vulpes	er license	[23:07]
ben_vulpes	and exhibit tits without booze?	[23:07]
ben_vulpes	i suppose /some/ of the bdsm clubs do that, simply to keep the olcc out of their hair	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	somebody clearly had some fun.	[23:07]
ben_vulpes	dood you gotta look into the nightmare that is the olcc	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	olcc ?!	[23:07]
ben_vulpes	mhm	[23:07]
ben_vulpes	"oregon liquor control commission"	[23:07]
ben_vulpes	(hey, it's a bank holiday. half the staph even bothered to show up, and those left as soon as they fixed the fucked up builds they shipped on friday, leaving me and $bzprtnr alone with the tequila and org chart)	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo for the record, i'd have said some rather stronger words than wj.	[23:09]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: they now control marijuana in this derpy little province too	[23:09]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: He wasn't in the position to smash all of the cockroaches surrounding himself	[23:10]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376256 << so i discovered that the lift this morning only goes to nth floor and no higher ($firm is on n+1th)	[23:12]
assbot	Logged on 19-01-2016 02:06:58; ben_vulpes: (hey, it's a bank holiday. half the staph even bothered to show up, and those left as soon as they fixed the fucked up builds they shipped on friday, leaving me and $bzprtnr alone with the tequila and org chart)	[23:12]
asciilifeform	had to talk the guard into opening it	[23:12]
asciilifeform	because... holiday	[23:12]
ben_vulpes	and because you can't stairs?	[23:14]
asciilifeform	'open it.' 'sir, this is a SEEEK0000R3 building!111' 'i work here.' 'you need a key!111' 'i can call the boss, want to make a new friend ?' ~grunt turns magic key in the lift~	[23:14]
asciilifeform	stairs locked.	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	is that even legal ?!	[23:14]
asciilifeform	(they only ever open from the inside)	[23:14]
asciilifeform	it is legal with the magic lock that only opens from inside.	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[23:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120050 @ 0.00052582 = 63.1247 BTC [+] {3}	[23:15]
asciilifeform	tower is mostly lawyers iirc.	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	everything's mostly lawyers.	[23:16]
asciilifeform	has the flavour of faux luxury that tends to go with it, too	[23:16]
ben_vulpes	thirty-second inch veneers	[23:16]
asciilifeform	(gilded doorknobs, etc)	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	lol alf has seen true luxury down by casa rosada, ain't buing into wash dc lawyer buildings!	[23:17]
asciilifeform	lulzies	[23:17]
*	trinque worked in a building with key cards everywhere once	[23:17]
trinque	seems entirely psychological	[23:17]
asciilifeform	trinque: this is one	[23:17]
asciilifeform	card AND pw	[23:17]
trinque	could wedge the magnetic doors open	[23:17]
*	ben_vulpes not engaging in wannabe red team wankery, this wine is over and am out	[23:17]
*	mircea_popescu used to force the derps working in the few ro ones to come the fuck out to meet him, as he wasn't going into that shit.	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	really put a damp on the spread for many years.	[23:17]
asciilifeform	interestingly the last few towers i slaved in had a peculiar tradition, male toilet would have a normal door, female - locked	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	i almost always use the girls room.	[23:18]
mod6	how people use public bathrooms: http://i.imgur.com/ePp83j9.jpg	[23:19]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ZxCOVG )	[23:19]
asciilifeform	mod6: i think he works here !	[23:19]
asciilifeform	and everywhere !	[23:19]
mod6	haha	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	hahah what!	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	speaking of which, http://45.media.tumblr.com/11df00c900b9ef6acb5c1cffcde51c2e/tumblr_nzqwfyL3rJ1u9uov7o1_400.gif	[23:20]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ZxCW7O )	[23:20]
asciilifeform	relates somehow ?	[23:21]
mod6	nb	[23:21]
*	asciilifeform was expecting worse	[23:21]
mod6	same	[23:21]
*	referredbyqntra (4931cfe8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.49.207.232) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	!up referredbyqntra	[23:23]
-assbot-	You voiced referredbyqntra for 30 minutes.	[23:23]
*	assbot gives voice to referredbyqntra	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	ok you buncha heretics. A : http://45.media.tumblr.com/ba3119f7a99000a0d0d0660f0de315a3/tumblr_nr4qqlinuP1uvik0co1_400.gif B : http://49.media.tumblr.com/c7046a6346bca40065837e467e72cdc4/tumblr_nr4qqlinuP1uvik0co2_400.gif	[23:23]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Je2RiZ )	[23:23]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Je2Rzf )	[23:23]
asciilifeform	l0l!!	[23:24]
*	X16a (~X16a@64-118-119-225-rt-broadband-00.broadband.oakhurst.sti.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	!up X16a	[23:24]
-assbot-	You voiced X16a for 30 minutes.	[23:24]
*	assbot gives voice to X16a	[23:24]
X16a	hi	[23:25]
mod6	haha. mmm, pissy-hotdogs & beans.	[23:25]
trinque	poor guy makes a nice meal, and she pisses all over it. I don't blame him.	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	ello X16a	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	trinque odds are her sister made it.	[23:26]
trinque	maybe that's her place set to the right	[23:27]
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*	assbot removes voice from referredbyqntra	[23:53]
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*	assbot removes voice from X16a	[23:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86500 @ 0.00053409 = 46.1988 BTC [+] {4}	[23:57]

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