Forum logs for 18 Aug 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

phf	what was that bad russian scifi dood, who did sort of like a hodgepodge of cyberpunk literature	[00:00]
asciilifeform	him.	[00:00]
asciilifeform	http://pelevin.nov.ru << that one	[00:01]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1flVjvU )	[00:01]
wilbns	mats: agreed, that is the challenge - what exactly is happening in the status quo. food shortages, never before seen droughts, threat of a credit bubble collapsing, the middle easten on the verge and russia/china moving further away in their relations w/ europe and the us each new day. what is next.	[00:01]
trinque	asciilifeform \| trinque: which is a catgurl or the like. << LOL	[00:01]
mats	dollar collapse is whats next	[00:01]
mats	the rest of the world failing around you is the early warning system	[00:01]
phf	asciilifeform: this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labyrinth_of_Reflections	[00:01]
assbot	Labyrinth of Reflections - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1flVneU )	[00:01]
BingoBoingo	Welcome to the Terror Dome, er... Terra Foam	[00:01]
asciilifeform	phf: entirely other fella, but familiar theme, aha	[00:02]
wilbns	mats: maybe. there was an interesting quote you just made me think of - "a recession is when your neighbor loses his or her job. a depression is when you lose yours"	[00:03]
asciilifeform	^ orlov's 'you will not be told when collapse has happened, only when it has happened to ~you~'	[00:03]
wilbns	ah that's a good quote, so true	[00:04]
asciilifeform	the rest of the world failing around you is the early warning system << distinguish the natural (drought) from the usg-engineered (just about everything else) failures.	[00:04]
asciilifeform	to the engineers, those aren't failures.	[00:04]
asciilifeform	they are - successes.	[00:05]
phf	asciilifeform: have you read his чапаев и пустота?	[00:05]
asciilifeform	phf: aha!	[00:05]
asciilifeform	there is, iirc, even an english transl somewhere!	[00:05]
BingoBoingo	Last week I read a lot of "California beat the drought" stories based on more people in Compton working at McDonalds	[00:05]
asciilifeform	mats: usg, like wheat (the latter as described in mircea_popescu's essay 'when you become wheat') thrives in a half-destroyed world	[00:06]
mats	welp, i like a game of 'catch the falling knife' as well as anybody	[00:06]
asciilifeform	like post-ww2	[00:06]
BingoBoingo	"But California GDP GREW!!!"	[00:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00070376 = 13.7937 BTC [-] {3}	[00:06]
BingoBoingo	As the state burns	[00:06]
phf	asciilifeform: yeah, gave the english version to my girl to read	[00:06]
mats	i am still unprepared to flee to .cn	[00:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15453 @ 0.00070799 = 10.9406 BTC [+]	[00:07]
BingoBoingo	mats: usg, like wheat (the latter as described in mircea_popescu's essay 'when you become wheat') thrives in a half-destroyed world << Corn loves raw manure, but wheat demand you first light the manure and then till it into the field	[00:07]
asciilifeform	phf: girl digested it ?!!!	[00:07]
phf	first thing she asked what's up with russians and schwarzenegger	[00:07]
wilbns	it does seem the dollar is someone in store for a beating, perhaps that is what will stop interest rates from rising or enable more QE to continue	[00:07]
wilbns	somewhat*	[00:07]
wilbns	sheesh i don't know what's up w/ my spelling.	[00:08]
BingoBoingo	i am still unprepared to flee to .cn << We all have to contemplate destinations other than what we though were Door #1	[00:08]
BingoBoingo	sheesh i don't know what's up w/ my spelling. << I'm drunk. It seriously affects everyone's spelling.	[00:08]
mats	folks the world over are buying USD as their own currencies get devalued by USG mismanagement	[00:08]
wilbns	haha	[00:08]
mats	this is what is presumably stopping interest rates from going up	[00:08]
BingoBoingo	ofc mats	[00:09]
asciilifeform	mats: been there, done that, traded a shoebox full of toiletpaper money (printed on usg-donated presses during collapse!) for $1 usd.	[00:09]
asciilifeform	(as a boy)	[00:09]
mats	i hope my dollars will still be good for renminbi exchange when the time comes	[00:09]
phf	asciilifeform: she enjoyed it, and picked up on some subtleties, in any case more then i expected, but i think it was good enough for first reading	[00:10]
asciilifeform	mats: they're good... now	[00:10]
asciilifeform	mats: buying ticket yet ?	[00:10]
mats	or, you know, the buttcoins, but i dunno whether we'll ever win the war at this rate	[00:10]
BingoBoingo	or, you know, the buttcoins, but i dunno whether we'll ever win the war at this rate << War was won.	[00:11]
mats	asciilifeform: nope, its at least five years in the distance	[00:11]
asciilifeform	why wait?	[00:11]
asciilifeform	if you're cn-compatible, buy ticket, sail.	[00:11]
asciilifeform	if not - won't be in 5 years, or 55	[00:11]
mats	for all practical purposes i am illiterate and have almost no meatwot there	[00:11]
mats	still need to eat	[00:11]
asciilifeform	mats is originally from cn ?	[00:12]
BingoBoingo	Given 2015 so far Hearnia must have planned to actually release XTCoin the first weekend of September. He ended up jumping the gun because USG pinoy spamzors. We won.	[00:12]
phf	i gave her "kniga oborotnya" and she concluded that the book was dull and poorly paced, which is something i agree with, probably my least favorite p book	[00:12]
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mats	originally from hk	[00:12]
asciilifeform	phf: ditto, also least favourite	[00:12]
asciilifeform	mats: then at least you have the mega-superpower that folks can't tell immediately by face that you couldn't possibly have meatwot	[00:13]
wilbns	it seems fiat currencies will continue to exist for many generations to come, perhaps actual paper form will deminish, but an electronic register or display of some number of dollars for whoever the viewer is, will carry with it some semblance of wealth	[00:13]
asciilifeform	wilbns: see thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2014#499423	[00:13]
assbot	Logged on 13-02-2014 01:31:58; asciilifeform: ifetimes some tin-pot pseudo-nationalist leader will print up ugly slips of paper with pictures of dead people, Masonic symbols and big numbers, and attempt to charge people for using them as a medium of exchange in all transactions, and your great-grandchildren need to know, from an early age, that it is a scam. It is an official scvam, backed up by the threat of violence, but it is s	[00:13]
BingoBoingo	Hearn lost so bad "unidentified" turrorist bombed expat Thailand today. Presumably to try to get Goat and scare people with insulfation faith in USG out of defecting.	[00:13]
BingoBoingo	Oh, that was an odd autocorrect	[00:14]
mats	asciilifeform: things haven't degenerated enough in us for me to consider returning	[00:14]
mats	can't do computing work if i can't even read the damned terminals	[00:15]
BingoBoingo	mats: What if your USG designated FEMA number puts your camp in southwest Missouri?	[00:15]
wilbns	these new derivative markets that are forming out of distributed / shared ledger technology could perhaps be the new stage for some form of electronic economy that will exist on a trillion/quadrillion level. the average person may only perceive that kind of scale at the end of the year, when milk costs $10	[00:15]
mats	BingoBoingo: plz break me out, there is a bitcoin reward in it for you	[00:15]
BingoBoingo	mats: First I'll have to know you are in. Second I will have to not be in Chicago fema camp (because FEMA must take us to the places we hate most)	[00:16]
phf	mats: i have a former colleague from a financial firm, who moved to hk recently, he's chinese, but i take it his mandarin is poor and cantonese non-existent. he's working for an english speaking company there and slowly getting his language up to speed. his reasoning for the move was "this boat is leaking"	[00:17]
mats	phf: i have the same plan, but presumably further behind in my career than him	[00:17]
BingoBoingo	mats: What though is stopping you from moving to Aztalan?	[00:17]
mats	BingoBoingo: a state park?	[00:17]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: if i had to guess, it's the desire to earn living with terminal rather than kalash	[00:18]
BingoBoingo	;;ud aztalan	[00:18]
gribble	Google found nothing.	[00:18]
BingoBoingo	;;google aztalan	[00:18]
gribble	Aztalan State Park Home - i94.biz: ; Aztalan State Park - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Aztalan State Park - Wisconsin DNR:	[00:18]
asciilifeform	mno	[00:18]
wilbns	asciilifeform: ah yes, thanks for the link - imagining one day in fact how silly it will be to hold up a $100 bill, or to go to an ATM. perhaps only those in "emerging markets" or "third world countries" will use such types of antiquated technologies and means of exchange.	[00:18]
asciilifeform	aztlan.	[00:18]
asciilifeform	~aztlan~	[00:18]
BingoBoingo	;;google los zeta	[00:18]
gribble	Los Zetas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; How 34 commandos created Mexico's most brutal drug cartel ...: ; 13 things to know about Los Zetas, the ruthless Mexican drug cartel ...:	[00:18]
wilbns	(note sarcasm regarding ATMs and emerging markets)	[00:19]
BingoBoingo	mno << /me been drunk for a while	[00:19]
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asciilifeform	http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html << lulzy	[00:19]
assbot	What is Aztlan, Raza, and MEChA ... ( http://bit.ly/1Npkhbv )	[00:19]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: ah yes, thanks for the link - imagining one day in fact how silly it will be to hold up a $100 bill, or to go to an ATM. perhaps only those in "emerging markets" or "third world countries" will use such types of antiquated technologies and means of exchange. << I personally plan on eventually only every trading in an out of Bitcoin with year's worth of whatever the local bottlecaps happen to be	[00:20]
asciilifeform	;;ud aztlan	[00:20]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Aztlan \| The area (as distinguished above) of Aztlan has been under the rule of invaders; ruthless, war-like, greedy imperial powers, since the Spanish first colonized it.	[00:20]
mats	why would zetas trust a chinese american citizen	[00:20]
phf	mats: he was a junior at the company, so not much of a career. i think the objective is to work for a company that has offices at multiple locations. when i worked for another bank that will remain nameless, the opportunity was always implied from the beginning. in fact a lot of places like that love people with no local attachments, because means easy and cheap relocation.	[00:20]
mats	if for my computing skills... not good enough at pwning arbitrary systems to be useful (yet)	[00:20]
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BingoBoingo	mats: Right shade?	[00:20]
mats	if to carry rifle, plenty of mexicans for that task already	[00:21]
BingoBoingo	Not really	[00:21]
wilbns	BingoBoingo: that would be a nice outcome from where we are now, being able to move in and out so easily. hopefully by that point there will also be less volatility to the downside in relation to the bottlecaps.	[00:21]
mats	phf: welp, my eyeballs are peeled for opportunities, am actually looking for interesting work atm	[00:22]
phf	mats: where are you located?	[00:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00071589 = 11.8838 BTC [+]	[00:22]
mats	boston	[00:22]
BingoBoingo	wilbns: As far as you need be concerned though I have less than a proper transaction fee in BTC.	[00:23]
*	BingoBoingo also looking for fiat paying work, but only in positions where the only economic consequence of my employment would be occupying an already fungible position	[00:24]
asciilifeform	mats: this probably won't shock you, but it is possible to know how to do 10,001 useful and rare things, and still starve.	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	it is actually common.	[00:24]
asciilifeform	aha.	[00:24]
asciilifeform	sop, even.	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	clueless people haver a lot more sense than to starve.	[00:24]
wilbns	BingoBoingo: roger that	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	(in proper terms : clueless people don't have what to delude themselves with)	[00:25]
asciilifeform	sure they do	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241711 << that shit's so retarded i hope they do it.	[00:27]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 02:40:26; mats: A+	[00:27]
[\]	someone say bacon?	[00:27]
asciilifeform	and also fish!	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241726 << the word is dlh!	[00:27]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 02:53:19; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241705 << recall 'gametool' and 'gamewizard' ?	[00:27]
mats	imsaguy returns	[00:28]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: was it also a spiffy tsr that could be invoked at any time and would look for ~changed bytes~ in ram ?	[00:28]
[\]	I've b een around, "censoring" people.	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	no, dirty little helper was a lengthy collection of various tidbits.	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	walkthroughs, cheatcodes, etc.	[00:29]
asciilifeform	ah!	[00:29]
asciilifeform	like 'ovdocs'	[00:29]
asciilifeform	^ epic, still worth reading today for the lulz	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[00:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15995 @ 0.0007173 = 11.4732 BTC [+]	[00:30]
phf	asciilifeform: i didn't get my hands on one of those until early 2000s, hence had to write my own. i vaguely recall a collection of tsr on a hacker tools cd that i bought in a metro perehod :), but at the time i somehow didn't pay enough attention to them	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241775 << the point here being (perhaps unfamiliar to some readers) that wheat is not a sort of plant that survives, except in particular situations : say post volcanic eruption, when everything's been burned down. then the weed makes a quick colonisation, because of its disproportionate seeds.	[00:31]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 03:04:29; asciilifeform: mats: usg, like wheat (the latter as described in mircea_popescu's essay 'when you become wheat') thrives in a half-destroyed world	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	but then in a few years it's drownerd out by more sanely balanced plants.	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	it should be noted that the civilisation that chose to feed itself on wheat, a plant famous for and a plant whose only strategy is, to overinvest in its progeniture	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	ended up overinvesting in its progeniture.	[00:32]
asciilifeform	was gonna say.	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	pure coincidence, but lulzy.	[00:32]
asciilifeform	max k-strategy	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[00:32]
BingoBoingo	Ukrs!!!	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	mno.	[00:32]
BingoBoingo	Kansas!!!	[00:32]
asciilifeform	l-kansas.	[00:32]
phf	asciilifeform: mine worked by doing a core dump on key press, and then you had to do a binary diff on a set of those. i kind of realized that i could put a diff/search algo into the tsr, but that was beyond my algorithm construction abilities at the time	[00:33]
*	asciilifeform always insisted that either kansas ought to be pronounced 'kensaw', or 'arkansas' ought to be r-kansas.	[00:33]
BingoBoingo	d-kansas is refered to as Arkansas in the common tongue, grows rice	[00:33]
asciilifeform	hence kansas is l-kansas.	[00:33]
wilbns	yes, riceland, stuttgart	[00:33]
asciilifeform	d- also worx	[00:33]
BingoBoingo	When alternatives always default to levo and dexo as options over trans and cis for the lulz	[00:34]
wilbns	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riceland_Foods	[00:34]
assbot	Riceland Foods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1NplLm4 )	[00:34]
BingoBoingo	But dex-Kensaw civilized. Levo-Kensaw barbarians General Quatrill was more than right to burn	[00:35]
BingoBoingo	*Quantrill	[00:35]
*	BingoBoingo never got more twitter mentions than when trolling after Mizzou beat Kansas in Baseketballs	[00:36]
BingoBoingo	Land that flat, covered in carbohydrates was made to host a great fire for the glory of Kismet	[00:37]
*	BingoBoingo offer that yes, Kismet is supposed to be the white handmaiden of Satan keeping true Africa down, but Whitey is violent to no one else like his is to his fellow white man	[00:40]
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BingoBoingo	;;later tell shinohai weren't you going to submit a qntra???	[00:45]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[00:45]
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BingoBoingo	;;later tell Belxjander Pls fix your connection for the love of fuck	[00:49]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[00:49]
wilbns	it is also challenging the fear of god society and some religious institutions instill in people in the area. originally from arkansas and lived there 22 years, experienced first-hand. was sent to religious camp in branson 7 years in a row. bizarre at times. btw, no offense to anyone in here's religious beliefs, none of my business. just putting forth an	[00:51]
wilbns	observation and personal experience.	[00:51]
BingoBoingo	wilbns: Thing is... While there are a lot of goups in that area which engage in such extreme sectarianism... Some on the girls are hot and the region is vulnerable to conquest by actual people.	[00:53]
BingoBoingo	Also no XT blocks mined yet...	[00:54]
wilbns	hah facepalm	[00:54]
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BingoBoingo	wilbns: The big thing is such sectarians are more competitive with other similar factions than they are with any outsider groups.	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	wilbns i think if anyone in here's religious beliefs managed to survive in here for this long they'll be fine.	[00:56]
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wilbns	BingoBoingo, yes, noticed that too - until someone from another religion flies a plane into a building.	[01:02]
wilbns	mircea_popescu: ok	[01:02]
BingoBoingo	wilbns: Like Joe Stack?	[01:04]
BingoBoingo	Joe Stack seems under appreciated in Dex-Kensaw	[01:04]
BingoBoingo	Given local political rhetoric	[01:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18660 @ 0.00072755 = 13.5761 BTC [+]	[01:06]
BingoBoingo	bried survey of dex-kensaw also suggests many local with farms due to the substantial median size of holding possess "air tractor" which could be loaded with kerosene instead of monsanto for Joe Stack++	[01:07]
BingoBoingo	*brief	[01:08]
BingoBoingo	But perhaps General Quantrill should have burned Little Rock as he did Lawrence Levo-Kensaw	[01:08]
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BingoBoingo	Bread Tripe!	[01:10]
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mircea_popescu	hey, which anglo nut made a 50 copy edition of his crappy poetry and jacked off on the lot ? was it burroughs ?	[01:38]
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scoopbot_revived	Fierro, or - Argentina, that very comic country. http://trilema.com/2015/fierro-or-argentina-that-very-comic-country/	[02:09]
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ag3nt_zer0	nothing quite like curling up with a nice bowl of fresh buttery popcorn, a blankey, and I Am Cait Ep. 3... should be a community event though, like a trip to the traveling wagon freak show - alas, my fellow americans seemed to have lost their ability to be astonished along with their sense of humor... I happily gaze at the four horsethingys (or is it taped?) baphomet myself...	[02:15]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241811 << somethinglikethat	[02:52]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 03:10:43; BingoBoingo: Given 2015 so far Hearnia must have planned to actually release XTCoin the first weekend of September. He ended up jumping the gun because USG pinoy spamzors. We won.	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241810 << in the sense you're originally from ru, i gather.	[02:53]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 03:10:37; asciilifeform: mats is originally from cn ?	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241816 << vice-versa, actually. the online fiat is dead, but its value as irl tokens remains. dollars are useful exactly like monopoly money and casino chips are useful,	[02:54]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 03:11:33; wilbns: it seems fiat currencies will continue to exist for many generations to come, perhaps actual paper form will deminish, but an electronic register or display of some number of dollars for whoever the viewer is, will carry with it some semblance of wealth	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	and it's how they'll remain in use.	[02:54]
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mircea_popescu	speaking of btc bidniss, http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xhCRGRaPpVY/S7YyJDsOdhI/AAAAAAAABkE/f49XNMLuUno/s1600/milporongas+1+en+b.jpg	[03:45]
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cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1241089 good luck	[04:31]
assbot	Logged on 17-08-2015 20:50:22; BingoBoingo: In other news one interview for one job today seemed to go meh, the other job's interview seemed to go well. Hoping I can get that regular fiat income to start standing up srs noedz	[04:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00069854 = 10.3035 BTC [-]	[04:31]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00072009 = 2.8444 BTC [+] {2}	[04:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15709 @ 0.00071166 = 11.1795 BTC [-]	[05:07]
punkman	http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2015/08/watch-colorblind-man-see-color-for-the-first-time-with-enchroma-glasses	[05:16]
assbot	Watch: Colorblind Man Sees Colors of a Sunset for the First Time \| Complex UK ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2ByVM )	[05:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.0007278 = 16.5211 BTC [+] {2}	[05:21]
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punkman	http://www.mercurynews.com/california/ci_28654978/california-plans-taking-farms-massive-water-tunnels	[05:24]
assbot	Records: California plans taking land for huge water tunnels - San Jose Mercury News ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2CbyK )	[05:24]
punkman	"Under the plan, landowners would have 30 days to consider and negotiate a one-time state offer, while officials simultaneously prepare to take the land by forced sale if owners declined to sell. "Negotiations to continue in parallel with eminent domain proceedings," the plan notes."	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	no really alternative to that.	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	"you can either sell it at prevailing market values, or we'll take it at prevailing market values".	[05:28]
punkman	and nobody will use all those spiffy guns they like to polish and fondle	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	you know, opposing eminent domain for stuff like this is a little nutty.	[05:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00073619 = 32.466 BTC [+] {4}	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	what, train's gonna go around old man joe's property forever more because 180 years ago there lived a curmudgeon ?	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	i mean, it's one thing when they were simply stealing property to give to others who they figured "would pay more tax". that's fungible. but this isn't - train gotta go straight.	[05:30]
cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1241289 <<< numbers going up doesn't mean too much, it's like kids who run away from home in the afternoon but are back by dinner time	[05:31]
assbot	Logged on 17-08-2015 21:59:27; wyrdmantis: http://xtnodes.com/ <--- a fucking war starting over?	[05:31]
punkman	this is not a train though	[05:31]
chetty	well knowing cali they are probably picking routes thru the best crop land, and offering a penny an acre	[05:31]
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punkman	"Say what you will about the internet in 2015 but at least it helped everyone realize that everything we think and feel is wrong and dumb" https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/633500936208449536	[05:32]
chetty	or, haha, the routes go thru the 'red' areas on the map	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	punkman water pipe ? how not ?	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	"everyone" is never realising that.	[05:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20726 @ 0.00073753 = 15.286 BTC [+]	[05:35]
punkman	so just let them destroy productive farms and dry out the delta, so they can water some piece of desert down south?	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	chetty actually there have been "unjust enrichment" suits against states/townships on stuff like that.	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	punkman that's an entirely different argument tho. i have nfi what they're doing / dun care so much, but anyway. the fiat consensus is and has been, for the past ~800 years, that you can't oppose land ownership to road development.	[05:38]
cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1241426 <<< maybe this is discussed later on in the logs, but i read this on cointelegraph, not virtual mining news - http://cointelegraph.com/news/115136/nick-szabo-block-size-increase-a-huge-security-risk	[05:43]
assbot	Logged on 17-08-2015 23:41:30; pete_dushenski: 'virtual mining' blog. same kids who pitted me against roger ver a week or two back.	[05:43]
assbot	Nick Szabo: Block Size Increase a ‘Huge Security Risk’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1IZi43v )	[05:43]
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punkman	mircea_popescu: around here they can and do oppose, but everything is lilliputian-scale compared to California	[05:48]
punkman	http://www.china.org.cn/business/2015-08/18/content_36336463.htm	[05:52]
punkman	"According to business registration information, Ruihai's two largest shareholders are Li Liang and Shu Zheng, who hold 55 percent and 45 percent of the company's shares respectively. But as of Sunday, Li remained missing, while Shu told the media that he was only a grassroots public servant, and he lent his identity card to a friend when Ruihai was registered."	[05:52]
assbot	Mystery surrounds Tianjin blasts warehouse - China.org.cn ... ( http://bit.ly/1IZj6MJ )	[05:52]
punkman	identity loan - my sides	[05:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00073262 = 14.2861 BTC [-]	[05:54]
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shinohai	hanbot: liked the build notes writeup. Almost made me want to install it on Ubuntu.	[06:00]
shinohai	almost.	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	lol shu got scammed.	[06:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36786 @ 0.00073755 = 27.1315 BTC [+] {3}	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	ahaha that pete pic!	[06:03]
punkman	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMd32H5UwAA2eQK.jpg	[06:08]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1IZkOOa )	[06:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00072871 = 22.7358 BTC [-] {4}	[06:13]
shinohai	Respite from my fear of dying?	[06:15]
shinohai	Wow.	[06:15]
shinohai	*terror of dying	[06:15]
punkman	you'll get invited to the best parties!	[06:16]
shinohai	Pffft ... #bitcoin-assets is the best party	[06:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29203 @ 0.00073862 = 21.5699 BTC [+] {6}	[06:22]
cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241741 <<< fuck i hate that guy, has no shame at all	[06:29]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 02:56:26; BingoBoingo: https://slimgur.com/images/2015/08/17/5bb6d7f9bba424cc18b5a09006bd0367.png	[06:29]
shinohai	#worldelephantday	[06:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00072302 = 3.3259 BTC [-]	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	andy w lol	[06:34]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16120 @ 0.00071743 = 11.565 BTC [-] {3}	[06:50]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00070722 = 9.5475 BTC [-] {3}	[07:25]
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shinohai	http://thenextweb.com/opinion/2015/08/17/one-brave-woman-so-many-cowardly-racists/	[07:57]
assbot	Meet the woman taking on Reddit's racists ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2NSFJ )	[07:57]
shinohai	^ next she should go take on 4chan racists	[07:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00069854 = 7.8586 BTC [-]	[08:00]
jurov	and then on #b-a chauvinists :DDDD	[08:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00069766 = 10.3951 BTC [-] {3}	[08:21]
mircea_popescu	"because it sounds like something he might have said."	[08:24]
mircea_popescu	no, it doesn't. it sounds about as much like voltaire as any other bit of usian drivel.	[08:24]
mircea_popescu	maybe they should petition voltaire's sponsors too. until he becomes the "hip", "cool" figure they want him to be or something.	[08:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28250 @ 0.00069598 = 19.6614 BTC [-] {4}	[08:26]
mircea_popescu	da fuck is wrong with these schmucks, anyway. "herpitty-derp, i wish to push a widely unpopular, nutty agenda. obviously the best way to do this is to ask people interested in selling more to side with me. because logically if those racist white supremacists actually boycott walmart until it puts the lot of us in a concentration camp, walmart totally won't. because hurr."	[08:28]
punkman	"if the spend amount has a lot of trailing zeros, eg, 2.34000000 BTC, then have change outputs that also have the same amount of trailing zeros. Otherwise, it's obvious which one is the spend." << anyone can explain this?	[08:28]
mircea_popescu	yeah. "don't spend integer btc"	[08:28]
mircea_popescu	(which is why shithead services like coinbase don't even implement the whole 8 digits. their 2010ish understanding of "de-anonymization technicues."	[08:29]
jurov	punkman where is that from? some idiotic service that reinvented numbers processing again?	[08:29]
punkman	jurov, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6569	[08:30]
assbot	Improve change amount privacy · Issue #6569 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTEajS )	[08:30]
jurov	oh i think i get it	[08:31]
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punkman	isn't it all in integer satoshis?	[08:31]
punkman	I dun get it	[08:31]
mircea_popescu	dude. if you have a 8.5465466 input and you spend 2.34 out of it, your outputs will look like 2.34000000 anbd 6.116574567	[08:31]
mircea_popescu	making itobvious which is the change.	[08:31]
jurov	if you send payment rounded to N places, the change should be also rounded to N places (and rest to fees, presumably)	[08:31]
mircea_popescu	^	[08:32]
punkman	https://i.imgur.com/7YyVT7J.jpg	[08:37]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HTECPb )	[08:37]
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kakobrekla	eh	[08:38]
punkman	http://chrisbalay.com/Jokes/graphics/orabanms.gif	[08:38]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HTEK13 )	[08:38]
kakobrekla	its not like you cant split that full int further down yourself.	[08:38]
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punkman	nope	[08:38]
kakobrekla	hammer is retarded only if you hit yourself on the head. must use nails.	[08:39]
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punkman	hammer can't be retarded	[08:40]
punkman	there is this of course http://blog.codinghorror.com/content/images/uploads/2012/06/6a0120a85dcdae970b017742d249d5970d-800wi.jpg	[08:40]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HTF0x7 )	[08:40]
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kakobrekla	there you go	[08:42]
punkman	;;later tell BingoBoingo https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/46/73/fd/4673fdf9d7821422efbec22771a25c68.jpg	[08:42]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[08:42]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HTFaVe )	[08:42]
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kakobrekla	anyway, a tool can be retarded, its the very definition of it ; "you are a such a tool". see?	[08:43]
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chetty	isn't a tool something that is used? So its the user that would be retarded, no?	[08:44]
jurov	i think it was meant that way, "someone is using you".. which is something else than "you're retard"	[08:46]
jurov	but hey this is internet, we need no fkn nuances :)	[08:46]
kakobrekla	chetty no matter WHO uses windows ...	[08:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16204 @ 0.00069383 = 11.2428 BTC [-]	[08:47]
jurov	you know it's not true	[08:48]
kakobrekla	hm?	[08:48]
jurov	many ppl using windows are not retards, just completely unaware there's a better way to use a computer	[08:48]
kakobrekla	not at all what im saying but anyway	[08:49]
kakobrekla	if ascii logs on to win machine, win machine still sucks!	[08:49]
jurov	and what were you saying?	[08:49]
kakobrekla	that.	[08:49]
chetty	haha, I suppose there are tools with no redeeming value	[08:50]
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shinohai	https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/08/18/8chan-back-after-google-banned-entire-domain-for-child-abuse-imagery/	[08:55]
assbot	8chan back after Google ban of domain for child abuse imagery \| Naked Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTG6sE )	[08:55]
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funkenstein_	fight the symptoms, not the disease	[09:04]
funkenstein_	a lot of old cars overheat, they should make a law against temperature sensors which display in the dashboard	[09:05]
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funkenstein_	kill the messenger. new technology, same broken psychology	[09:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00071463 = 31.0149 BTC [+] {3}	[09:14]
funkenstein_	"As -The Virginian- established the cowboy in our literary culture, so did Hernandez' -Martin Fierro- become the archetype of the gaucho, the independent man of the pampas.	[09:17]
funkenstein_	Fiercely individual, distrustful of the corruption of the cities and the law, following his own code of honor, he is in the great tradition of the romantic figure"	[09:18]
funkenstein_	Time to finally crack this thing open :)	[09:18]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00073639 = 29.3083 BTC [+] {3}	[09:55]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44050 @ 0.00074025 = 32.608 BTC [+] {4}	[10:03]
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shinohai	http://redd.it/3hde8z	[10:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00071912 = 21.4298 BTC [-]	[10:22]
punkman	shinohai: lol'd at the televangelists asking for donations to buy a jet	[10:26]
shinohai	xD	[10:28]
punkman	or that guy saying donate $1000 and god will wipe out your credit card debt	[10:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00074045 = 9.5518 BTC [+]	[10:29]
shinohai	This drama: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3201418/Jilted-woman-gets-revenge-cheating-boyfriend-setting-crotch-fire-s-sleeping.html	[10:34]
assbot	Jilted woman gets revenge on cheating boyfriend by setting his crotch on fire \| Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1hKrFC8 )	[10:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11301 @ 0.00071855 = 8.1203 BTC [-] {3}	[10:34]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00071502 = 13.5139 BTC [-]	[10:48]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26950 @ 0.00073296 = 19.7533 BTC [+]	[11:15]
BingoBoingo	https://www.nsa.gov/ia/programs/suiteb_cryptography/index.shtml	[11:18]
assbot	NSA Suite B Cryptography - NSA/CSS ... ( http://bit.ly/1DW1D90 )	[11:18]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: to the logz! >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1239085	[11:21]
assbot	Logged on 15-08-2015 21:29:04; shinohai: https://www.nsa.gov/ia/programs/suiteb_cryptography/index.shtml	[11:21]
BingoBoingo	Ah, apologies	[11:21]
shinohai	>.>	[11:22]
shinohai	BingoBoingo: are those bsd instructions of yours still valid ?	[11:23]
BingoBoingo	which ones	[11:23]
BingoBoingo	They aren't complete, because I accidentalied a lot of it	[11:23]
asciilifeform	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hfwa3/how_to_send_email_as_satoshivistomailcom << lulzy	[11:23]
assbot	How to send email as satoshi@vistomail.com : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiObPh )	[11:23]
asciilifeform	(spoiler: doesn't work)	[11:24]
asciilifeform	http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/coinwallet-plans-bitcoin-dust-attack-september-create-30-day-transaction-backlog-1515981 << also lulzy	[11:24]
assbot	CoinWallet says Bitcoin stress test in September will create 30-day backlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiOfhZ )	[11:24]
asciilifeform	'"We feel that our tests might prove to be the catalyst that propels the core devs and miners to implement the required hard fork that is desperately needed," Coinwallet told BitBeat.'	[11:26]
punkman	"The previous CoinWallet test only achieved about 15% of its output because its servers crashed."	[11:28]
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punkman	https://coinwallet.co/en/currencies	[11:30]
assbot	Coinwallet.co - Supported Currencies & Fees ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhtS1G )	[11:30]
punkman	they take 0.5% fee per tx, lel	[11:31]
funkenstein_	So if I hit you, and you don't fall down, that means you aren't very tough.	[11:32]
asciilifeform	nah but you 'get points for trying' if you break your fists. somehow. in the bizarre usg twerp view of the world.	[11:33]
funkenstein_	lol	[11:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00073296 = 3.9946 BTC [+]	[11:33]
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BingoBoingo	peer dump http://dpaste.com/1JDV6EF.txt	[11:39]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Lhvith )	[11:39]
BingoBoingo	Not connected to a single XT node at the moment	[11:40]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00073615 = 7.0302 BTC [+] {2}	[11:44]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2015/08/no-xtcoin-support-committed-to-the-blockchain-yet/#comment-42937	[11:45]
assbot	No XTCoin Support Committed to the Blockchain Yet \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiR5n1 )	[11:45]
Naphex	https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=Amazon.com,%20Inc.	[11:52]
assbot	Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhwQmU )	[11:52]
Naphex	BingoBoingo: amazon seems to be supporting it hard lol	[11:52]
BingoBoingo	Naphex: You know the pseudonode thing runs well in an AWS micro	[11:52]
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Naphex	BingoBoingo: hehe as if it isn't obvious enough ~240 nodes same time deployment since 17 aug	[11:54]
BingoBoingo	Of course	[11:54]
Naphex	400ms latency	[11:55]
Naphex	what a joke	[11:55]
BingoBoingo	Serioulsy I can't even	[11:56]
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BingoBoingo	Might as well start running pseudo nodes over a Nigerian satellite connection	[11:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166821 @ 0.00069397 = 115.7688 BTC [-] {7}	[11:59]
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Naphex	well i guess it's time to ip block all XT nodes	[12:10]
Naphex	take that hearn, ha! ;]	[12:11]
BingoBoingo	Or the ones on the AWS ip space	[12:11]
Naphex	BingoBoingo: that's pretty much all of them https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=70010	[12:12]
assbot	Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiUSkp )	[12:12]
BingoBoingo	Seems rather simple then	[12:13]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241990 << twas not discussed because i at least was not aware of this.	[12:36]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 08:41:32; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1241426 <<< maybe this is discussed later on in the logs, but i read this on cointelegraph, not virtual mining news - http://cointelegraph.com/news/115136/nick-szabo-block-size-increase-a-huge-security-risk	[12:36]
pete_dushenski	'virtual mining news' doesn't look like anything other than a scam, and it turns out it is !	[12:37]
pete_dushenski	well then, tip o' the cap to joseph young, the real author	[12:37]
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pete_dushenski	though why the piece of shit cointelegraph wordpress implementation never sent me a pingback, while 'virtual mining' did, is another story	[12:39]
pete_dushenski	yet also the reason for the confusion.	[12:39]
pete_dushenski	oh internet, will i ever understand you ?	[12:40]
pete_dushenski	speaking of which...	[12:40]
pete_dushenski	http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/18/asking-your-friend-to-bang-your-prospective-wife-and-other-silly-ideas/	[12:40]
assbot	Asking your friend to bang your prospective wife, and other silly ideas. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1EAh2GW )	[12:40]
pete_dushenski	;;later tell williamdunne ^ this was posted last night, and scoopbot_revived didn't see it.	[12:40]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242003 << someone was quick on their feet. i had this up as a header for maaaybe a few days. really more like a day or two.	[12:43]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 09:01:50; mircea_popescu: ahaha that pete pic!	[12:43]
pete_dushenski	cazalla: but good work on finding that original article !	[12:43]
pete_dushenski	now i know where the banana troll is from.	[12:44]
pete_dushenski	http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-26731 << said banana	[12:44]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241734 << yeah, employed by people like me to do various tasks in the world of Eulora, because that's what has a future; not "social media"	[12:44]
assbot	How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1EAhvc8 )	[12:44]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 02:55:17; wilbns: mats: people will be employed to execute roles in cyberspace. telecommuting and working from home is the first step.	[12:44]
pete_dushenski	lol i kinda like imagining danielpbarron with an army of click slaves.	[12:45]
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pete_dushenski	mush heathens MUSH	[12:45]
thestringpuller	danielpbarron: you ever read "Ready Player 1"? Eulora will probably be that.	[12:45]
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pete_dushenski	"Gavin has done more for bitcoin in a few years than you could do in a life time. 2003 128mb in my phone, 2006 1Gb on my phone. 2010 32gb on my phone, 2015, 64 gb on my phone. And your telling me raising the block size limit from 1 to 20 mb is an issue?"	[12:48]
pete_dushenski	usgavin is a flash memory developer now !	[12:48]
pete_dushenski	^from comments on ~original~ cointelegraph pete v. ver article	[12:49]
chetty	isnt bigger always better? /kidding	[12:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14794 @ 0.00069859 = 10.3349 BTC [-] {3}	[12:49]
pete_dushenski	chetty: domains, my dear, only in certain domains	[12:50]
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punkman	http://mainframesproject.tumblr.com/	[13:04]
assbot	Internet Mainframes Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1NhhulK )	[13:04]
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lobbes	;;later tell asciilifeform regarding lobbesbot; I am going to try 'upgrading' my bot to a more recent fork. According to #supybot, there was a rewrite of the RSS plugin that should address that issue of ratcheting back	[13:10]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[13:10]
punkman	http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/4683	[13:10]
assbot	In Realtime: Saving 25,000 Manuals « ASCII by Jason Scott ... ( http://bit.ly/1EAoSjX )	[13:10]
punkman	lobbes, are you using limnoria?	[13:10]
lobbes	nope, still using supybot ;/	[13:11]
lobbes	going to try and move to limnoria, maybe tonight	[13:11]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64250 @ 0.00069231 = 44.4809 BTC [-] {3}	[13:16]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00074045 = 11.1808 BTC [+]	[13:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30797 @ 0.00074045 = 22.8036 BTC [+]	[13:29]
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pete_dushenski	!up ascii_field	[13:39]
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pete_dushenski	let's try out this orderbook dealio	[13:40]
pete_dushenski	;;sell 1 Apple Cinema Display 30" at "450 / {bitstamplast}" BTC. Aluminum (A1083) M9179LL/A, 2560x1600, dual-link DVI, dual-firewire, dual-usb ports, power supply, power cable, mint condition. Buyer pays shipping from Canada.	[13:40]
gribble	Error: 'Cinema' is not a valid price input.	[13:40]
pete_dushenski	mk.	[13:41]
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pete_dushenski	https://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworder.php?id=22434	[13:45]
assbot	#bitcoin-otc order id 22434 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JfghEn )	[13:45]
pete_dushenski	'tevye' now at 343,600	[13:46]
pete_dushenski	"if you call the library's IOServiceOpen function with an invalid owningTask parameter, a kernel-level IOUserClient will be passed a NULL pointer for the calling task. This pointer makes its way through more of the OS and is used to locate a variable in memory where a bit is set. By controlling the page of memory at address zero, an attacker can direct where these bits are set, and thus manipulate the kernel's m	[13:50]
pete_dushenski	emory, and eventually seize control of execution with full kernel-level privileges." << affecting mac osx 10.9 and 10.10	[13:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00073255 = 8.3511 BTC [-]	[13:52]
mats	http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/18/us/politics/courts-free-speech-expansion-has-far-reaching-consequences.html	[13:55]
assbot	Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0YODY )	[13:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16608 @ 0.00074045 = 12.2974 BTC [+] {2}	[13:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8261 @ 0.00074188 = 6.1287 BTC [+]	[14:07]
pete_dushenski	http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2015/aug/14/china-deserted-amusement-parks-stefano-cerio << china in the "off season"	[14:07]
assbot	China's deserted amusement parks – in pictures \| Art and design \| The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1E10361 )	[14:07]
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punkman	http://www.economist.com/news/china/21661053-new-study-suggests-air-pollution-even-worse-thought-mapping-invisible-scourge	[14:26]
assbot	Explicit cookie consent \| The Economist ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0KUjV )	[14:26]
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punkman	loltitle	[14:26]
btcdrak	30day backlog "stress test" on the way http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/coinwallet-plans-bitcoin-dust-attack-september-create-30-day-transaction-backlog-1515981	[14:26]
assbot	CoinWallet says Bitcoin stress test in September will create 30-day backlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiOfhZ )	[14:26]
pete_dushenski	btcdrak: tis in the logs	[14:27]
pete_dushenski	punkman: lulz. also : perri-air !	[14:27]
punkman	assbot should reply "ooooooold" when that happens	[14:27]
pete_dushenski	!s perri-air	[14:27]
assbot	2 results for 'perri-air' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=perri-air	[14:27]
punkman	pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyrFWbGiGOc	[14:28]
assbot	"Share The Air" Presentation - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0LspT )	[14:28]
pete_dushenski	jesus christ on a cross that girl is, what, 15 going on 5	[14:29]
kakobrekla	stress network meh, thanks for derping in the history of everything forever and no way they heard of testnet.	[14:30]
pete_dushenski	"like, like, negative energy, like, like, scribble doodle, like, like, air."	[14:30]
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pete_dushenski	testnut.	[14:31]
punkman	girl's an actress, she was pretty good if you ask me	[14:31]
pete_dushenski	pretty good at what ?	[14:32]
punkman	at the acting	[14:32]
pete_dushenski	girl's a comedian !	[14:32]
kakobrekla	anyway, from 'coinwallet's behavior we can conclude that tx fees are waaaaay to low on 'main'net.	[14:34]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[14:34]
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ascii_field	kakobrekla: no shit!	[14:34]
pete_dushenski	how many users at coinwallet ? 100 ?	[14:35]
ascii_field	then again, ~threatening~ to spam is... free	[14:35]
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trinque	bwahaha I just went on a tirade in #gentoo-hardened about "30-day backlog"	[14:36]
kakobrekla	really it prolly should be more expensive than _ANY_ other way of paying.	[14:36]
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ascii_field	kakobrekla: idk, dropping bullion from a nuke bomber with fighter escort, flying through five usg vassal states, probably ought to cost more	[14:37]
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chetty	kakobrekla: idk, dropping bullion from a nuke bomber with fighter escort, flying through five usg vassal states, probably ought to cost more// isnt that the same thing?	[14:38]
trinque	I thought it was a nuclear blimp	[14:39]
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ascii_field	dirigible, damnit	[14:40]
trinque	haha my mistake	[14:40]
punkman	https://scalingbitcoin.org/montreal2015/	[14:43]
assbot	Scaling Bitcoin Workshop ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0P5Mw )	[14:43]
pete_dushenski	!s robert tilton	[14:46]
assbot	0 results for 'robert tilton' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=robert+tilton	[14:46]
pete_dushenski	robert tilton really is doing "god's work". dude scammed john oliver out of $319 over a period of 7 months.	[14:47]
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pete_dushenski	of course, this was just oliver doing "research" but still lulzy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y1xJAVZxXg	[14:48]
assbot	Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Televangelists (HBO) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0QiU9 )	[14:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00073172 = 8.3782 BTC [-]	[14:51]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20839 @ 0.00073172 = 15.2483 BTC [-]	[15:12]
punkman	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CUnwl3QnjA	[15:14]
assbot	Chinese Man Live feat. Tumi - Get Up (Live Content) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0XK1x )	[15:14]
punkman	get up, get out, you lazy lout // get into your working clothes // up to your knees in oil and grease // and a grindstone to your nose	[15:14]
punkman	(and the original http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/folk-song-lyrics/Lazy_Lout.htm )	[15:15]
assbot	Folk & Traditional Song Lyrics - Lazy Lout ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0Y1S5 )	[15:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47460 @ 0.00073188 = 34.735 BTC [+] {3}	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	in the spirit of punkmans', http://33.media.tumblr.com/88a6aa4de7e4fdb7df6b8679ec5768de/tumblr_nbwyl50pxz1tas0xfo1_400.gif	[15:18]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1J0YTWR )	[15:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00073278 = 10.7719 BTC [+]	[15:22]
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mircea_popescu	lmao all the fucktarded jokes. "who makes the byline of a crypto book start with the workd unlocking?" "o'reilly executives"	[15:27]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[15:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3394 @ 0.00072396 = 2.4571 BTC [-]	[15:27]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: recently, for lulz, i collected warez scans of every published book i could find with 'bitcoin' in the title	[15:28]
ascii_field	the least retarded was the one by wiley financial press	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	aha!	[15:28]
ascii_field	(it was still pretty heavy on the retardation, but not an outright maculature)	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	i heard the same thing.	[15:28]
ascii_field	contained, for instance, a mostly-accurate description of blockchain mechanics	[15:28]
ascii_field	(but equally long bloviations re: crackpot altcoins)	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242062 << you are such a tool means that you don't act of your own retardation. this is the worst insult known to usian.	[15:29]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 11:41:25; kakobrekla: anyway, a tool can be retarded, its the very definition of it ; "you are a such a tool". see?	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	better, you see, eat soap wrapped in my own country's flag than cheese in a plain white rapper.	[15:29]
ascii_field	p4tr10t!!	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242070 << yeah, and many people derping around "pua" conferences aren't retarded, just unaware there's better ways to relate to women.	[15:30]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 11:47:11; jurov: many ppl using windows are not retards, just completely unaware there's a better way to use a computer	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	this'd be the definition of retarded neh ?	[15:30]
mike_c	"However, it will make it prohibitively expensive," << a quarter of a penny is prohibitively expensive?	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	well... the government of the us is paying them to derp on reddit. why is the government of bitcoin not paying them to use bitcoin ?	[15:32]
ascii_field	mike_c: for 'beoble', and for sp4mz0rz who want to take shits of infinite tonnage into our collective mouths for free - yes.	[15:32]
punkman	mike_c, well if you only have 2 pennies	[15:32]
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mircea_popescu	clearly bitcoin government is bad and they should hold a vote.	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	there's all this money here. let's democratic it.	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	"oh but mp, the money got here specifically because undemocratic"	[15:32]
mike_c	punkman: hehe, yeah. I will cry for their inability to push their dust around.	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	"yeah... like everywhere else ? the us got rich by being a republic, not by being a democracy. the soviets got rich under tyranny and then the demobureau fucked it up"	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	anyway, to the expensive topic : it is an inconvenient but nevertheless incontrovertible fact that the price point for bitcoin tx is VASTLY above the pricepoint for "visa tx" or "bank tx".	[15:34]
mike_c	"The fact that the XT fork hasn't occurred yet is ridiculous," CoinWallet said. << I do so love the tears of rage and frustration.	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	the reason is that bitcoin tx offers some specific services neither visa nor wire offer.	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	so, no, the price of steak is not going to be considered by comparison to "price of food" defined as "mcshitty menu".	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	because steak isn't that. and so... $5k a transaction is no big deal. if you don't care to have your shit verified by the entire world, go send a wire, at $500 or w/e it will be by then	[15:35]
ascii_field	500%	[15:35]
ascii_field	(laugh, but cost for smallish wires to, e.g., ru from usa, is typically 100%)	[15:36]
punkman	I'll just send you the priv keys, "you move it"	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	nah, see, it'll still be dust, 0.001 btc or w/e.	[15:36]
jurov	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242269 ofc, since we are innately biologically driven towards computers, like we are to women	[15:36]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 18:29:04; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242070 << yeah, and many people derping around "pua" conferences aren't retarded, just unaware there's better ways to relate to women.	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	most of the regularization of the tx price of bitcoin will be done by usd being forced to devaluate in comparison	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	not by straight and nominal price increase.	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	jurov yes, we are.	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	male curiosity is exactly equal to male sex drive.	[15:37]
punkman	well I'd certainly not pay 0.5btc to move 2btc	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	which is why so many dudes on computers.	[15:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00072369 = 13.0626 BTC [-] {3}	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	punkman there are good (and mathematical provable) reasons for which tx fees will never in average exceed ~0.001	[15:38]
btcdrak	mircea_popescu do you know the guys at quedex.net?	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	!s quedex	[15:38]
assbot	7 results for 'quedex' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=quedex	[15:38]
jurov	and why all people we hold in high esteem, know how to use women right.. right?	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	iirc some guy here was doing some pro bono work for the,	[15:38]
btcdrak	I'm on a google hangout with them right now, just checking.	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	jurov "use" is not really the word there, and plenty of people we did or do hold in high esteem don't know how to use computers, or got a war wound.	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	you can't argue anecdote to statistics.	[15:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00071741 = 6.098 BTC [-]	[15:39]
jurov	and statistics are? all people with iq > 120 use lisp?	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	"this guy looks like his next door neighbour rather than his father ergo inheritance is wrong"	[15:40]
jurov	and live in happy marriage or polyamory or whatever?	[15:40]
ascii_field	some people use pointed stick and live in an igloo.	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	no. the statistics are that young males spend more time with computers than with women.	[15:40]
ascii_field	with walrus.	[15:40]
jurov	and how from tit all follows that windows users ===== derps?	[15:41]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: computers are less annoying than most women these men would say.	[15:41]
kakobrekla	how do you know the sex of my machine?	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla sex dun matter. the entire thing was "male curiosity is the same thing that makes the male sex drive".	[15:41]
*	danielpbarron gives his computers girl names	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	jurov i don't go there, im just speaking to the rthing i spoke to ok ?	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	this "not retarded just unaware" is nonsense. that they're unaware is the proof of their retardation.	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	now, maybe they are aware and use windows for impenetrable reasons, to which i don't got much to say.	[15:43]
ascii_field	big fat difference 'being aware' makes.	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	does.	[15:43]
ascii_field	how?	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	lemme show you. suppose you go by a diner in wash, and inside see the most beautiful girl ever	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	like, conceivable. you wipe away tears of mental contradiction because you didn't think this could exist.	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	so, on an impulse, uncharacteristically, you go in. and walk up to her	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	and say hi!	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	anmd she looks at you and totally loses it.	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	she like jumps all over you and is like "omg you know how long i've been waitinfg for you my love!?!?!?!"	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	so you kiss at which point a dude opens the door, pulls out a shotgun and blows your brains away.	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	the last thing you hear is "fucking shit, excuse me, miss. i thought he was someone else."	[15:45]
ascii_field	ah finally back to real world!	[15:45]
trinque	lol	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	and this is not nearly as contrived as it may seem. the one wish that will come up if you actually are a necromancer and can speak with the dead	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	(like yours truly)	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	in all the cases of murdered wise men, is "i wish they had first bothered to know who the fuck i was".	[15:47]
ascii_field	the canonical: 'one day, a bullet hit stierlitz in the head. "a hollow-point, must be!", thought stierlitz, scatter-brained'	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	lol	[15:47]
trinque	danielpbarron: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/firefly/images/5/5a/Vera_weapon_Jayne_OMR.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070214225453	[15:49]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1EAFb0g )	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	that looks just like an angry mike_c	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	don't shoot mikey, we're not disparaging windows. just the users. k ?	[15:49]
mike_c	hehehe	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	"AND THIS IS FOR THE PAPERCLIP!!!1"	[15:50]
trinque	hahahha	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242093 << for the record, "revenge" "cxheated" etc is bullshit. female monkeys genitally injure beta males. usually by biting.	[15:53]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 13:32:33; shinohai: This drama: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3201418/Jilted-woman-gets-revenge-cheating-boyfriend-setting-crotch-fire-s-sleeping.html	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	same thing.	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	it's not revenge and it's not cheating, it's "you're too shitty to reproduce". a sensor they do have in their brain, and which is being so deeply downregulated to live in teh civilised world, it starts firing randomly.	[15:54]
ascii_field	!b 4	[15:54]
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mircea_popescu	notably, no female monkey that's been raped, even if regularly and consistently, ever attacks the rapist.	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless, she WILL disable dribbly betas that make half-assed attempts which they manage to fend off.	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242106 << prolly a great thing to fix huh.	[15:56]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 14:22:09; BingoBoingo: They aren't complete, because I accidentalied a lot of it	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	i suppose you could turn this into a "you're not supposed to be a man, i picked you because you're shit, to make you my live toy. if you contradict this i'll fucking kill you" which could then be summarized as "jilted" and "revenge". but if THAT is what the authors are thinking when using those words, they're worse than the KKK over there.	[15:57]
trinque	you know, a former girlfriend I said goodbye to this weekend told me that the problem with being with me was that she lost the desire to seek other sexual partners when fucking me (this apparently being psychologically important to her for some reason related to shopping)	[15:58]
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mircea_popescu	an' should really be ashamed of themselves.	[15:58]
trinque	I just shook my head, said "jesush christ you're broken" and laughed	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	trinque dun judge womenz by what they say to you at times like that.	[15:58]
trinque	hmm, maybe so	[15:58]
trinque	could've just been what you say to him when leaving	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	i mean if she said that she couldn't possibly have been unfaithful yes ?	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	this is how twu wuv sounds, right ?	[15:59]
trinque	yeah not once, though broke it off with me because she thought this quaint? or who knows what	[15:59]
trinque	this was from years ago	[15:59]
trinque	my reaction was "if this is your natural reaction to me, what the fuck's wrong with it?"	[16:00]
shinohai	I also read a story of Yazidi women who have formed a paramilitary force to kill their rapists (ISIS)	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	which is why /me recommends structured relations. takes all this dubious derpage out of the thing.	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	theres a reason when people go dancing they agree aforehand on WHAT dance will they dance	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	rather than you know, find themselves there and try to guess as they go alon	[16:00]
trinque	right, were I to just take charge and say "well you belong to me then, and that's that" she'd react with all the socialist bullshit in her head	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	shinohai right, and this exists not as a tool to keep in line the beta boys of isis, but as a means for isis to lose its fucking leadership.	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	trinque so ?	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	always give the other the chance to actually play his hand, yes ?	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	you thinking what they'd do is not good enough.	[16:02]
trinque	tbh it is in listening to you describe relationships that I've realized I have several lovers I have not tended to at all	[16:03]
trinque	that is, to be very honest.	[16:03]
trinque	but anyhow, I'm leaving this state and she's voting for hillary or something	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	lol so what if she is.	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	lemme ask you this. if you were the well bearded patriarch of a most devouted harem	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	and i mean... girls who'd lovingly, readily lick your asshole if you don't feel like using toilet paper, devoted.	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	would you tell them who to vote for ?	[16:04]
shinohai	vote for me :D	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	fnargl, you know ? big deal.	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	one of the most useful conceptual tools at your disposal. "am i doing this because i'm not sure i'm the king-emperor, or because it's what the king-emperor does ?"	[16:05]
trinque	no, never been my style to try to control those things	[16:05]
trinque	you're right	[16:05]
punkman	why would you let them vote?	[16:05]
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mircea_popescu	that question divides the abstract world in two. not even that one or the other of the two kinds is better. merely the distinction is useful in and of itself.	[16:05]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[16:06]
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ascii_field	let's also ask which mcdonalds item they will be ordered to eat?	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	punkman i don't care either way, they can vote if they want to, what.	[16:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00071112 = 24.7825 BTC [-] {3}	[16:06]
trinque	now, "read this book"	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field whay ?	[16:06]
trinque	yeah I've said things like that, and not asked whether	[16:06]
trinque	and this has usually had a wonderful result	[16:06]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: re: 'who to vote'	[16:06]
trinque	girl in question went from being a retail something to a project manager at a software company	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field if you enforce looks and a fuckable muscle tone, they drop the mcd on their own.	[16:07]
ascii_field	mega-unsurprise	[16:07]
ascii_field	was answering the 'who would you order them to vote for'	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	trinque see ? that's your spv. "you're my thing, and if you shut up and suck it you may one day be smart enough to do all the things you don't like toi think about now because you're unsure"	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	ah ah ha	[16:07]
phf	trinque: in my experience you want to bring that socialist stuff to the surface asap, and then nip it in the bud, or end the whole thing if failed. eventually the unexplored is going to be what creates strife	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	i can undersign.	[16:08]
trinque	yeah, of course this was a goodbye, so I have made an assessment of whether the tumor's extractable	[16:09]
trinque	it's sort of a diseased version of something normal, I observe	[16:09]
punkman	mircea_popescu: they drop the mcd on their own. << yeah that's what I was shooting for, why would a good slavegirl want to vote in derplections?	[16:09]
trinque	she saw herself developing into a woman due to my books and fucking, and couldn't deal with that	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	godel sez : you never know, punkman.	[16:09]
trinque	neotony, it's a thing, I've learned :p	[16:09]
trinque	*neoteny	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	trinque dun hurt telling these things out plain, in general.	[16:10]
trinque	sure, told her all of that	[16:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00072074 = 14.1625 BTC [+]	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	but i did order mcdonalds icecream cones be purchased and sampled, because wtf already, when i came here first i was shocked at how good the icecream was. then i found a place which shocked me again, at how good their icecreeam was over argentine icecream. and recentyly found a second, which YET AGAIN	[16:11]
shinohai	dun hurt to always marry a girl at the top of her blowjob game, either.	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	shinohai ie a 50yo retired whore ?	[16:11]
trinque	lol	[16:12]
shinohai	I liek Milfs	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	but if she's a milf she has kids, which makes her cocksucking dedication questionable at best.	[16:12]
shinohai	truth	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	"nah man, she does this trick where she grabls her knees and spits in her own snatch afterwards, i've never seen anything like it."	[16:13]
trinque	the kind of woman you can curl up with a book in	[16:15]
shinohai	https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/633714822580994048 <<	[16:15]
*	trinque has begun to not care, open to reasons why he should	[16:16]
trinque	how's this not just any other altcoin?	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2015/the-news-in-brief-hearn-is-a-shitstain-mp-is-right-fuck-reddit-love-satoshi/#comment-115061 << kinda nonplussed this didn't deliver yet.	[16:16]
assbot	The news, in brief : "Hearn is a shitstain, MP is right, fuck reddit. Love, Satoshi" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eyf7mo )	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	cmon, shitstains. can we get it in writing ? hm ?	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	lawl.	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242113 << lmao.	[16:17]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 14:27:14; punkman: "The previous CoinWallet test only achieved about 15% of its output because its servers crashed."	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	"we're gonna be important!111"	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	i guess they did get something from the early mpoe-pr adversative marketing techniques. so in that sense less dumb than most forum derps.	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242118http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242118 << quite exactly. "o hai, wer didn't accomplish anything and our servers crashed in the process. WE CAN JUGGLE!!1"	[16:19]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 14:31:36; asciilifeform: nah but you 'get points for trying' if you break your fists. somehow. in the bizarre usg twerp view of the world.	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242129 << the dream of cheapskate "influencers", yoiu know ? they're gonna spin up 5k amazon instances for $500, and count it as a "majority" becauyse totally, votes from a buried pogo and an aws instance with a 100 hour lifespan are EQUAL.	[16:20]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 14:50:30; Naphex: BingoBoingo: amazon seems to be supporting it hard lol	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	why is astroturfing so fundamental to usg political thought is beyond me.	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	why they expect it to work however...	[16:20]
ascii_field	'cause vox populi, vox dei !!111!!11 (tm) (r)	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	orly ?	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	and populi = aws instance ?	[16:21]
ascii_field	it ~always~ was	[16:21]
ascii_field	even before electric lamp.	[16:21]
ascii_field	'i speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues!1'	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242140 << thios, really. there's absolutely no reason to allow aws anywhere.	[16:21]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 15:09:37; BingoBoingo: Or the ones on the AWS ip space	[16:21]
*	mircea_popescu is kinda tooi lazy to dig up that article with the oglaf cartoon re the electoral debater.	[16:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41700 @ 0.00072074 = 30.0549 BTC [+]	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242153 << i take it pete read http://trilema.com/2011/in-sprijinul-eugeniei/ ? somehow ?	[16:23]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 15:38:50; pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/18/asking-your-friend-to-bang-your-prospective-wife-and-other-silly-ideas/	[16:23]
assbot	In sprijinul eugeniei on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hL4KXw )	[16:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28650 @ 0.00070141 = 20.0954 BTC [-] {3}	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242168 << it is, lol. check out the idiot. 3 years, up 64x. 4 more years, up 32x. 5 more years, up 2x.	[16:25]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 15:46:27; pete_dushenski: "Gavin has done more for bitcoin in a few years than you could do in a life time. 2003 128mb in my phone, 2006 1Gb on my phone. 2010 32gb on my phone, 2015, 64 gb on my phone. And your telling me raising the block size limit from 1 to 20 mb is an issue?"	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	and this is somehow an argument in his stupid head ?	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	a more pointed example of how the entire thing just ground to a halt could not be devised if one tried. and yet the derp figures this bolsters his case. because he went to a school in the united states.	[16:26]
fluffypony	BUT HIS PHONE HAS A BIGGER SD CARD	[16:27]
fluffypony	SO THEREFORE	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	yea. and in 2020 a phone that has 32 gb card will cost 100x what the phone with the 64 gb card cost in 2015.	[16:27]
ascii_field	100,000.	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	nah. they're not actually useful and were made in bulk, so.	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242217 << they don't want to test, thjey know it doesn't work already. they want to derp. and, for a while yet, they can, so let 'em enjoe.	[16:33]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 17:28:32; kakobrekla: stress network meh, thanks for derping in the history of everything forever and no way they heard of testnet.	[16:33]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242230 << dude gets it.	[16:37]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 17:35:12; kakobrekla: really it prolly should be more expensive than _ANY_ other way of paying.	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	"if you have any option besides paying in bitcoin, USE THAT. wtf is wrong with you anyway."	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242241 << bwahaha thanks for adding the references. this is going to become VERY useful in the future.	[16:38]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 17:45:45; pete_dushenski: robert tilton really is doing "god's work". dude scammed john oliver out of $319 over a period of 7 months.	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	certainly before the 2020.	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	and for the record, that guardian article is a horrible hack job. it looks like someone took a camera and went to a coupla yard sales. wtf guardian, seriously ? you ever seen new jersey ?	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	atlantic city ?	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	where do you live!	[16:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00071182 = 12.9551 BTC [+]	[16:55]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[16:57]
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ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242469 << not built to last.	[16:57]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 19:29:50; mircea_popescu: nah. they're not actually useful and were made in bulk, so.	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	that's what drives the price : as the stored stuff gets delivered	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	not for a moment was i proposing user-owned shit to make it. but there's boxes.	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	ytou know, like the pogos. exactly.	[16:58]
ascii_field	i won't be surprised if we learn that usg has purchased and burned the bulk of those.	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	with what money ?	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	nah, the water left in the pipe is left in the pipe.	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	the pipe's chinese mostly.	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	some euro/arab shipping corps.	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	the us dun count for shit in this story.	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	jus' dreamin' its dreams of "intellectual property" and whatnot	[17:01]
ascii_field	with a few $k srsly	[17:02]
ascii_field	is all it'd take.	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	hardly.	[17:03]
ascii_field	what was that warehouse total, $8k ?	[17:03]
ascii_field	danielpbarron ?	[17:03]
thestringpuller	http://trilema.com/2015/the-news-in-brief-hearn-is-a-shitstain-mp-is-right-fuck-reddit-love-satoshi/#comment-115061 << It's a shit blizzard mircea_popescu	[17:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00071182 = 3.7015 BTC [+]	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field here's the model i propose to you : current debit is 1mn units/day, say, call this t0. "world ends" event, t1. prices spike 40-50% and social support wanes. demand drops 80%. this is t2. production stops, and the pipeline gets diverted to storage, this is t3.	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	the good now moves from pipeline to sotrage pricing, and as a result it will slowly dwindle as price goes exponential and demand collapses.	[17:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9341 @ 0.0007116 = 6.6471 BTC [-]	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	so, sales of 100 units/day, at 100x what they cost a day, some point at t5.	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	that 1% total sale volume is the last sustainable place for it, after price increases past 100x demand collapses entirely and the good either becomes monetized or disappears outright, in the hands of collectors.	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	this is the star line of goods. just like normal stars.	[17:07]
ascii_field	pogo?!!!	[17:13]
ascii_field	as it is, a used car's worth of benjie buys the lot.	[17:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00071282 = 21.6697 BTC [+]	[17:14]
jurov	pogo is useless without hard drive, either (and no, we don't have antifuse rom)	[17:17]
ascii_field	jurov: no (yet) shortage of those	[17:19]
jurov	you remember that flood? and it was only one factory	[17:19]
ascii_field	aha	[17:19]
ascii_field	iirc it made spindle drives only	[17:19]
ascii_field	but yes, one burned/flooded factory can double price of $component	[17:20]
ascii_field	(certain items are still scarce on account of fukushima)	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	pogo isn't the same thing as "cellphone"	[17:20]
ascii_field	but all of this is re: generic technocollapse	[17:20]
ascii_field	i was speaking of a specific strategic good	[17:20]
ascii_field	that is useful pretty much only to us	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	jurov nah it was like 3, and in any case the weather stayed bad and 90% of production was in the same area.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	but yes : goods there moved from pipeline to storage like... halfway. 1/3 of a way really	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	price doubled. (price doubled specifically bnecause it wasn't all the way, incidentally)	[17:21]
ascii_field	the other thing is that price doesn't double when those directly hit can 'borrow' using shitflation - e.g., switch to chinese electrolytic capacitors instead of fukkupied jp parts	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	yeah but i don't see how the smartphone made out of shit and sticks will cut it	[17:22]
ascii_field	ask samsung	[17:22]
ascii_field	they ship'em now.	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	(incidentally -0 this is how the russians ruined their at some point fledging industrial reputation	[17:22]
ascii_field	aha.	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	the soviets tried the inflatatron, but by making shitstick cellphgone. it blew in their face)	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	it's almost never a bad idea, that.	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	shit.	[17:23]
ascii_field	however it works if 'that's how world works' and the consumer frog is boiled 1) reasonably slowly 2) in unison	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	it's never a GOOD idea, that.	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	no, it does not work. it merely appears to have worked	[17:23]
ascii_field	'cell phone lasts a year, dontcha know'	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	next thing you know, you hang.	[17:23]
ascii_field	wake me up when the makers of 2007-present autos hang	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	you and your sleep cycles.	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	!s wake me up when	[17:24]
assbot	49 results for 'wake me up when' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wake+me+up+when	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	!s ad libitum	[17:24]
assbot	38 results for 'ad libitum' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ad+libitum	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	see ? you're 11 sleeps ahead. quit bitchin'.	[17:24]
*	ascii_field is to sleep as the archetypical sex starved 14 y.o. is to sex	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	"to ensure world happiness, you buy some people girlfriends and some people's girlfriends"	[17:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00069186 = 12.7302 BTC [-]	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	oh mpoe how you toe with my heart	[17:25]
ascii_field	pretty much 90% of my 'rich' fantasy consists of being able to actually do my hardwired 26-hour circadian instead of pretending, badly, to do the standard 24	[17:25]
danielpbarron	ascii_field> danielpbarron ? << wasn't it like 20k?	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	im doing it lol.	[17:25]
jurov	so the consensus is.. i should start stocking on hdds/ssds?	[17:26]
ascii_field	jurov: can't hurt	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	the consensus is, it makes more sense to hoard NRFB smartphones than gold.	[17:26]
ascii_field	unless they have peculiarly short shelf lives	[17:26]
ascii_field	(not impossible, and i can't rule it out)	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	but then again gold is a very low bar. almost anything makes more sense to hoard.	[17:26]
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asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[17:27]
*	assbot gives voice to ascii_field	[17:27]
jurov	lol incidentally.. my newfound love for n900's	[17:27]
trinque	not dumbphone enough for me	[17:28]
trinque	what I really want is like a radio-passive beeper	[17:28]
ascii_field	trinque: those are still sold	[17:28]
jurov	web browser can be handy	[17:28]
trinque	ascii_field: I may just not know how a beeper works	[17:28]
danielpbarron	ascii_field> 'cell phone lasts a year, dontcha know' << i've had my iPhone 5 for 3 years now, if i'm not mistaken	[17:28]
ascii_field	danielpbarron: wait till the os update is mandatory	[17:29]
ascii_field	then - straight to dumpster	[17:29]
danielpbarron	i've been updating all the way	[17:29]
ascii_field	but i was making an abstract point	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	very abstract indeed.	[17:29]
ascii_field	that scarcely anyone keeps these for longer than 2-3 yrs	[17:29]
ascii_field	just like around 2007 it became ~sop~ for cars to last 5 yr instead of 15	[17:30]
trinque	ascii_field: now that I'm reading about it, is the passive in one-way pagers actually passive in the sense I care about?	[17:30]
danielpbarron	most useful feature of my iPhone is mod6's MPEx twitter bot announcing trades in real time to me wherever I go	[17:30]
trinque	not so much as a peep back to tower?	[17:30]
ascii_field	trinque: passive in the sense of not transmitting	[17:30]
ascii_field	at least not by design	[17:30]
trinque	hm	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	im pretty sure they still heartbeat	[17:30]
ascii_field	no	[17:30]
ascii_field	at least not classic pagers	[17:30]
ascii_field	that ran on 'aaa' cell for 2 weeks	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	is it an abstract point ?	[17:31]
trinque	surely this, being sane, must be on the way out	[17:31]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: no, it was (and to a limited extent, still is) an actual product where i live	[17:31]
ascii_field	small box that only receives (somewhere in the 400 MHz band), with character display	[17:31]
ascii_field	;;google pocsag	[17:31]
gribble	POCSAG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; POCSAG - Signal Identification Wiki: ; RTL-SDR Tutorial: POCSAG Pager Decoding - rtl-sdr.com:	[17:31]
ascii_field	^ him	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	aha	[17:32]
ascii_field	signal from the station is very strong, can be received, typically, even in a lift, or an underground station	[17:32]
ascii_field	which made 'beeper' popular even as mobile phone appeared	[17:32]
ascii_field	surgeons, i'm told, still carry classic 'beeper.'	[17:32]
ascii_field	'beepers' with provisions for answering were introduced but were obsoleted by 'smartPnohe'	[17:33]
jurov	lizardhitler must be able to page you at any time!!!1	[17:33]
ascii_field	how else.	[17:33]
trinque	hm. now I want a pocsag usb device	[17:35]
ascii_field	easy	[17:35]
ascii_field	http://www.rtl-sdr.com/rtl-sdr-tutorial-pocsag-pager-decoding	[17:36]
assbot	RTL-SDR Tutorial: POCSAG Pager Decoding - rtl-sdr.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jp3o0K )	[17:36]
ascii_field	$15.	[17:36]
trinque	fun!	[17:36]
ascii_field	though bad link	[17:36]
ascii_field	asks you to use a shitblowz proggy	[17:36]
ascii_field	there is a proper one somewhere	[17:36]
mats	danielpbarron: wait what? 'MPEx1' hasn't tweeted since 2013	[17:37]
ascii_field	https://github.com/EliasOenal/multimon-ng	[17:37]
assbot	EliasOenal/multimon-ng · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jp3zsV )	[17:37]
trinque	general notion being that I might do some driving around with the laptop soon, see the states while it's easy, and I'd like to rely on passive tech (beeper, gps, etc) more as an exercise than because of any operational need	[17:37]
danielpbarron	mats, https://twitter.com/BitOTTer	[17:38]
ascii_field	trinque: it still lives & dies by the official transmitters	[17:38]
assbot	BitOTTerBot (@BitOTTer) \| Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jp3BB4 )	[17:38]
ascii_field	nothing 'decentralized' about it	[17:38]
trinque	ascii_field: sure, of course	[17:38]
ascii_field	but do wake me up when somebody starts transmitting a therealbitcoin blockchain i can pick up with my rtlsdr !!	[17:39]
trinque	indeed	[17:39]
ascii_field	and when i can throw a transaction into a wireless parasite mesh	[17:39]
ascii_field	^ mircea_popescu ?	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	hm?	[17:40]
punkman	you can send tx with satphone	[17:40]
ascii_field	application for hypothetical device	[17:40]
ascii_field	punkman: satellite ~= fighter jet	[17:40]
ascii_field	not to be relied on for the future.	[17:40]
ascii_field	certainly not unless one serves usg	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	you mean cn.	[17:41]
ascii_field	or.	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	not even or.	[17:41]
ascii_field	cn, ru	[17:41]
punkman	and how does wireless mesh reach china?	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	myeah.,	[17:41]
ascii_field	punkman: what do i need china for	[17:41]
punkman	well US transactions need to leave the continent no?	[17:41]
ascii_field	sure	[17:41]
ascii_field	shortwave.	[17:41]
ascii_field	hell, moon bounce.	[17:42]
ascii_field	troposcatter.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	are we doingthis again ?	[17:42]
ascii_field	^ ANOTHER reason tx ~has~ to be expensive, and blocks - light.	[17:42]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: which this	[17:42]
punkman	http://kryptoradio.koodilehto.fi/	[17:42]
assbot	Kryptoradio by Koodilehto ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2iOTf )	[17:43]
ascii_field	punkman: in logs, yes	[17:43]
ascii_field	punkman: uses derpatroic bitcoind though	[17:43]
ascii_field	and therefore not of interest.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field "providing punctual technical solutions for poorly understood future situations".	[17:43]
mats	danielpbarron: ok cool	[17:43]
ascii_field	nah just doing a mircea_popescuine 'i like to think'	[17:43]
ascii_field	as with yesterday's block fattening thread.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	so what';s the premise ? i guess i missed it.	[17:44]
*	mircea_popescu loathes to think without premise.	[17:44]
ascii_field	premise is that in certain zimbabwes, net access is dodgy	[17:44]
ascii_field	one effective answer is 'don't go there' - reasonable	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	see, that's the difference. i don't think we ca do a "like to think" if the premise is not an "all" or "every"	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	actually, i would propose that's the difference between think and wank in the space in question.	[17:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14734 @ 0.00070467 = 10.3826 BTC [+]	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	think is "all". wank is "some". "certain" is iffy and should be resolved to either.	[17:46]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu designs a parachute, and reasons using 'all' and 'every' ?	[17:46]
ascii_field	is to deploy on every flight ?	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	yes. when you design "a parachute" you design it for "every".	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	if you do not you got a very bad result.	[17:46]
ascii_field	for every pull of the cord.	[17:46]
ascii_field	but not for every flight.	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	so then you say this, and your "Certain" has become an "every"	[17:46]
ascii_field	fine. when i pull this 'cord', we get a bitcoin node in a place where usg does not wish for there to be honest nodes.	[17:47]
ascii_field	that there's your 'every.'	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	"a" is still not every but certain :)	[17:47]
*	mircea_popescu gapes in amazement at the incredibly powerful tool he came up with over dinner conversation.	[17:48]
ascii_field	'a' == every territory presently occupied by the bugmen	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	so any ?	[17:48]
ascii_field	aha.	[17:48]
jurov	ascii_field: if it can filter internet such, then it can do radio, too	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	this problem is easily resolved : there can not be an "any" node.	[17:48]
ascii_field	jurov: bugmen rely on radio too much, in modern times, for proper sov-style jamming	[17:49]
jurov	they rely on 'net, too, back since desert storm	[17:51]
ascii_field	own net.	[17:51]
jurov	that does not exist	[17:51]
ascii_field	sure does.	[17:51]
*	ascii_field saw it, alive.	[17:52]
ascii_field	they still have separate cabling and all.	[17:52]
ascii_field	granted, not as extensive as once before, in the old days	[17:52]
ascii_field	commercial links for most (but not all) long haul	[17:52]
phf	trinque: i have a gsm modem on home base, that saves sms to text file and generates wave files of left messages. when i travel i just periodically download that stuff, when i get internet connection. you could probably harden it in various ways to minimize your location being traced, as an exercise	[17:52]
kakobrekla	you download wave files ?!	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	why not make them bitmaps	[17:53]
ascii_field	incidentally, and not unrelated, payphones of the traditional kind where almost entirely abolished where i live	[17:53]
ascii_field	over past 5 or so years	[17:54]
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ascii_field	they were a loophole in the tracking grid and had to die, yes	[17:54]
phf	obviously, they get lame'd	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	here too.	[17:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00070467 = 9.8654 BTC [+]	[17:55]
kakobrekla	bbbut you are starting off with text which is best, especially to download on the road	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	phf why not download the text ?!	[17:55]
phf	~voicemail~ messages	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	you said sms lol	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck even listens to voicemail. i never have.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	if someone is dumb enough to talk to a machine they should CONTINUE.	[17:56]
trinque	hahaha	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	well ?	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	i'm not talking to machine talkers.	[17:57]
trinque	voicemail's terrible; I use email and IRC	[17:57]
trinque	and if something doesn't do either of those things, it gets taped into one of them, or abandoned	[17:57]
ascii_field	here in the stone age lands, it is generally expected of a 'serious person' to be reachable by voice phone	[17:57]
trinque	phf: what's this modem? is the sms aspect special, or do I just need to learn those horrible looking codes?	[17:57]
ascii_field	(unless you're hitler and have a secretary)	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	i bet you he gets the bulk of it from womenz that don't know enough contemporaneous culture to just send nudies.	[17:57]
trinque	lol	[17:57]
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asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[17:58]
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ascii_field	trinque: nobody cancelled hayes modem codes!!	[17:58]
trinque	I should autoresponder "tits or gtfo"	[17:58]
ascii_field	trinque: how else is the thing to let your machine know that it got a call, msg, or whatnot	[17:58]
phf	trinque: i parse gsm by hand, because. but there's a handful of linux packages that'll do it for you	[17:58]
ascii_field	or to dial it	[17:58]
trinque	I mean, arbitrarily any way	[17:58]
trinque	and someone chose that	[17:58]
trinque	for example I know of a guy that built some radio doodad that farts out s-expressions	[17:59]
phf	version 1 of that was written for razr, because first phone i had with a usb connector	[17:59]
ascii_field	btw, best gsm modem i presently know of for this application is just about everything made by 'huawei'	[18:00]
phf	^	[18:00]
ascii_field	their usb dongles, at least the ones i tested, can even make/receive voice calls	[18:00]
ascii_field	without analogue wiring	[18:00]
ascii_field	this is almost UNKNOWN on any other vendor	[18:01]
ascii_field	(to date i have not been able to source any but huawei which does this)	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	so for my own curiosity (inspired mostly by our bitcoin experiments here) i had it tested. there's no modern browser thatr doesn't leak memory.	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	and we're talking kbps sort of leaks.	[18:03]
ascii_field	no shit	[18:03]
ascii_field	mega-unsurprise	[18:03]
ascii_field	who doesn't believe this - get thee to valgrind, and see for yourself.	[18:04]
trinque	the DOM is far to intermingled to ever deallocate certain things	[18:05]
trinque	god have I spent time in this hell	[18:05]
trinque	*too	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	yeah well...	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	shit dun work.	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	i wonder what;d happen if someone made a racist browser.	[18:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14666 @ 0.0007103 = 10.4173 BTC [+]	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	ie one that supported none of the crud.	[18:07]
punkman	lynx?	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	to begin with : did not allow https.	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	nah, graphical.	[18:07]
trinque	sounds like some kinda CLIM thing with a socket	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	^	[18:07]
trinque	that'd rule	[18:07]
phf	trinque: there's "closure"	[18:08]
trinque	phf: this is hypertext atop lisp in clim?	[18:08]
trinque	because hypertext isn't wrong, the browser is	[18:08]
punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-08-2015#1233154 << you might find a racist here	[18:08]
assbot	Logged on 10-08-2015 05:58:00; punkman: http://browsers.evolt.org/	[18:08]
*	ascii_field believes that hypertext, at least as presently implemented 'in-band', ~is~ wrong	[18:09]
phf	trinque: closure is a browser, which spawned a bunch of projects, one of them is closure-html, an html parser	[18:09]
trinque	yeah nah, I'm talking burn it all to the ground	[18:09]
ascii_field	^	[18:09]
trinque	represent hypertext as s-exp, write in CLIM	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	should be able to render webm for fuxxase	[18:09]
trinque	I'm sure you could do media really nicely in clim	[18:09]
trinque	and it would know things you could do to the media!	[18:09]
trinque	independent of the site author!	[18:09]
*	trinque stops himself before he dares dream	[18:10]
phf	https://common-lisp.net/project/closure/ for the curious	[18:10]
assbot	Closure Web Browser ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBpttR )	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	anyway : i am itching to declare extant browsers obsolete and force through a replacement.	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	i need this more than i need a bigger blocks hardfork	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	much easier task, too.	[18:10]
ascii_field	replacement for exactly what ?	[18:11]
ascii_field	'lynx' still works	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	for the gfx browser.	[18:11]
phf	btw lynx has a pretty nasty track record of remote exploitable bus	[18:11]
phf	*bugs	[18:11]
ascii_field	phf: like just about all c proggies	[18:11]
phf	it's probably better then nothing, but without a foundation style audit, it's a liability	[18:12]
ascii_field	phf: the whole shit-orchestra, all the way down to the turtles and elephants, is a mega-liability	[18:12]
trinque	ascii_field believes that hypertext, at least as presently implemented 'in-band', ~is~ wrong << unless I misunderstand you, we agree	[18:13]
trinque	I am saying hypertext as the concept that there are relationships in written word that can be traversed is right	[18:13]
trinque	the browser, emphatically not	[18:13]
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ascii_field	the essential thing is to use nothing whatsoever created by the folks who have so thoroughly disqualified themselves.	[18:15]
BingoBoingo	nah, graphical. << surf ???	[18:15]
trinque	just another webkit wrapper	[18:15]
trinque	I wrote one of those me-self	[18:16]
phf	trinque: that's the gsm package i was thinking of http://wammu.eu/docs/manual/smsd/	[18:17]
assbot	SMS Daemon — Gammu 1.36.5 documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuntgW )	[18:17]
BingoBoingo	What about Dillo, uses own engine	[18:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14952 @ 0.00070875 = 10.5972 BTC [-]	[18:20]
trinque	still big wad o' c/c++	[18:20]
trinque	and the problem's so simple!	[18:20]
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ascii_field	http://mpetroff.net/2015/05/amazon-dash-button-teardown << very lulzy. contains princely mircocontroller, multiple MB of eeprom, and... a microphone.	[18:21]
assbot	Amazon Dash Button Teardown \| Matthew Petroff ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBr3f6 )	[18:21]
BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242106 << prolly a great thing to fix huh. << In practice largely supplanted by the patch on therealbitcoin list	[18:22]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 14:22:09; BingoBoingo: They aren't complete, because I accidentalied a lot of it	[18:22]
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BingoBoingo	!up ascii_field	[18:28]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3638 @ 0.00070875 = 2.5784 BTC [-]	[18:33]
phf	oh, i missed the confusion part. the setup saves text files of sms messages and ~separately~ a folder of voicemail messages in mono mp3	[18:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00070875 = 8.2924 BTC [-]	[18:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30489 @ 0.00071648 = 21.8448 BTC [+] {5}	[18:46]
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trinque	!rated relaxedman	[18:52]
assbot	relaxedman is not registered in WoT.	[18:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.00070467 = 22.5142 BTC [-]	[18:53]
trinque	!up relaxedman	[18:53]
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trinque	!h	[18:53]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot	[18:53]
trinque	relaxedman: ^	[18:53]
relaxedman	on it already	[18:53]
trinque	!seen liquidassets	[18:58]
trinque	;;seen liquidassets	[18:58]
gribble	liquidassets was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, 4 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: property only entered into it when I tried looking up meaning to funciary commodity. Yes, the "do you want it?" seems to be the question. Thanks MP always a pleasure	[18:58]
trinque	;;seen WolfGoethe	[18:58]
gribble	WolfGoethe was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 10 weeks, 3 days, 18 hours, 20 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: some fool locking up my coins with bogus trades. what fool wants to deposit cash to the bank... at midnight???	[18:58]
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trinque	!unrate WolfGoethe	[18:59]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b5ebb2c77036eaa7	[18:59]
BingoBoingo	!up ascii_field	[18:59]
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trinque	!v assbot:trinque.unrate.WolfGoethe:aebf4e3a51678a9538932c577f3d025744b6d9d15447342b9cbcc4b197eae9ab	[18:59]
assbot	Successfully unrated WolfGoethe	[18:59]
trinque	;;seen hasimir	[18:59]
gribble	hasimir was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, 30 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: yeah, that was it (well, that and ZNC)	[18:59]
kakobrekla	myea, i unrated liek 100 people the other day (in both wots)	[19:00]
kakobrekla	anyone who i havent spoken to in a year for sure.	[19:00]
shinohai	http://lta.newsbtc.com/2015/08/18/la-comunidad-de-bitcoin-se-niega-a-aceptar-bitcoin-xt/ <<< ROFL	[19:00]
trinque	yeah, doing some review	[19:00]
assbot	La Comunidad de Bitcoin se Niega a Aceptar Bitcoin XT - NewsBtc ... ( http://bit.ly/1HUwj5H )	[19:01]
shinohai	^ qntra got a mention ^^	[19:01]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00070467 = 2.9596 BTC [-]	[19:07]
shinohai	!up Varia_Varietatis	[19:10]
*	assbot gives voice to Varia_Varietatis	[19:10]
trinque	I thought Varia_Varietatis was sentenced to 6mos of log-reading for losing his second key	[19:10]
*	trinque twists moustache twistily	[19:10]
Varia_Varietatis	trinque: true, making a new key right now but think I might need a new nickserv account?	[19:12]
trinque	what I'm saying is, nobody in L1 will rate you at the present time such that you can self-voice (or at least, would be wrong to do so) because you made a severe error in maintaining your keys	[19:13]
kakobrekla	the third of fourth?	[19:13]
trinque	an error which you will understand if you actually do the work and read logs	[19:14]
Varia_Varietatis	working on it.	[19:15]
Varia_Varietatis	kakobrekla: anyway I can keep this name? never used the key on the bot.	[19:16]
kakobrekla	well, try to register, see what it says	[19:16]
Varia_Varietatis	hold on, gotta reread how to do all of that out of the log.	[19:19]
shinohai	Varia_Varietatis = n6 ?	[19:20]
Varia_Varietatis	yes	[19:20]
shinohai	or nx	[19:20]
shinohai	Are you still a virgin?	[19:21]
Varia_Varietatis	yes	[19:21]
shinohai	I still can't help you.	[19:21]
trinque	and how old?	[19:21]
Varia_Varietatis	26	[19:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.000732 = 7.5762 BTC [+]	[19:21]
[\]	do you live on an island by yourself?	[19:21]
Varia_Varietatis	no, but I was a recluse for about 12 years.	[19:22]
Varia_Varietatis	Tell you all about it, after I work out my key / name sitaution brb	[19:22]
*	assbot removes voice from relaxedman	[19:23]
danielpbarron	!gettrust Varia_Varietatis	[19:23]
assbot	Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user Varia_Varietatis: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=danielpbarron&to=Varia_Varietatis \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Varia_Varietatis/	[19:23]
danielpbarron	you did use the key with the bot	[19:23]
trinque	Varia_Varietatis: you're setting yourself up to be rated negatively, here	[19:24]
trinque	you would be best served reading, not trying to register for the umpteenth time	[19:24]
Varia_Varietatis	Yea, I put a key in then lost the pass phrase. trinque true learning gpg still..	[19:25]
trinque	well yes, you are	[19:26]
trinque	but I don't hand you a gun first off when teaching you how to shoot	[19:26]
*	trinque bbl	[19:26]
danielpbarron	Varia_Varietatis, write down pass phrase before you type it in, try out key before you register it	[19:26]
jurov	you obviously need to improve your attention span, logs are useful tool	[19:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00071385 = 25.0204 BTC [-] {4}	[19:27]
trinque	danielpbarron: I wouldn't give the guy one-off answers like that	[19:27]
Varia_Varietatis	working on testing my key now but gpg quit asking for my passphrase think i'm doing something wrong	[19:27]
trinque	gotta READ	[19:27]
jurov	and if there's mental disability in play oughta figure it out first	[19:27]
trinque	there is no substitute	[19:27]
trinque	and this point must be enforced by L1, imo.	[19:28]
danielpbarron	Varia_Varietatis, and to answer your other question, yes you will need a new nickname and nickserv registration	[19:28]
Varia_Varietatis	Going to do that now.	[19:28]
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jurov	BRB HOLD ON, MUST RUN TO GPG	[19:29]
danielpbarron	i should edit the first_steps wiki page to put the log reading part at the top of the list	[19:30]
thestringpuller	!up ascii_field	[19:30]
*	assbot gives voice to ascii_field	[19:30]
shinohai	But really, every time he comes: https://transfer.sh/ABh3C/autism-meter.gif	[19:30]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1TSbeoA )	[19:30]
jurov	i found it more like bipolar than aspie (not to say it can't be both)	[19:32]
BingoBoingo	shinohai: You should have linked the original English version apparently outsourced to Odesk http://www.newsbtc.com/2015/08/18/negative-publicity-keeps-miners-away-from-bitcoin-xt/	[19:32]
assbot	Negative Publicity Keeps Miners Away from Bitcoin XT - NEWSBTC ... ( http://bit.ly/1Li9DRC )	[19:32]
shinohai	I saw the Spanish one first BingoBoingo xD	[19:33]
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kakobrekla	i dont think miners are 'boycotting' at all ftr.	[19:34]
danielpbarron	;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com	[19:35]
gribble	log.bitcoin-assets.com is up	[19:35]
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kakobrekla	problem?	[19:36]
danielpbarron	won't load for me, and now the wiki won't either	[19:37]
jurov	loads fine	[19:37]
*	Keefe_ is now known as Keefe	[19:37]
kakobrekla	prolly danielpbanned	[19:37]
kakobrekla	pm me your ip i can check	[19:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.000732 = 16.836 BTC [+]	[19:41]
kakobrekla	all taken care of.	[19:43]
kakobrekla	i have a rather trigger happy ban hammer	[19:44]
kakobrekla	a warconfig.	[19:44]
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BingoBoingo	Better than configwar	[20:01]
danielpbarron	the blank dvds i picked up today are the wrong kind.. why is + vs - still a thing!?	[20:03]
danielpbarron	is it to get me to walk into the store a 2nd time 50% of the time?	[20:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.000732 = 8.967 BTC [+]	[20:04]
danielpbarron	meanwhile i'm trying to remember how I last got a gentoo-live thing on a flash drive	[20:05]
BingoBoingo	Did you install to the drive?	[20:17]
danielpbarron	no, there's supposed to be a way to copy the contents of the .iso to the flash drive	[20:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37150 @ 0.00070467 = 26.1785 BTC [-] {2}	[20:20]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: Well you have to make sure it is copying over as the right filesystem then. I forget what it's called that has an actual disk filesystem layered over the CD iso, but probably that is missing	[20:27]
danielpbarron	gotta mount the iso and copy the stuff inside into a specially created disk image file	[20:29]
trinque	danielpbarron: use my thing!	[20:32]
trinque	!s deedbot.org/genbootstrap	[20:32]
assbot	0 results for 'deedbot.org/genbootstrap' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=deedbot.org%2Fgenbootstrap	[20:32]
trinque	fucker	[20:32]
trinque	!s genbootstrap	[20:32]
assbot	2 results for 'genbootstrap' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=genbootstrap	[20:32]
trinque	wat...	[20:32]
trinque	danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1239184	[20:33]
assbot	Logged on 15-08-2015 22:32:03; trinque: shinohai: http://deedbot.org/genbootstrap.sh.sig	[20:33]
BingoBoingo	!s genitalstrap	[20:33]
assbot	0 results for 'genitalstrap' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=genitalstrap	[20:33]
trinque	relevant logs thereafter	[20:33]
shinohai	I tried, builds lovely filesystem, doesn't write it to .img	[20:33]
trinque	er... yeah it does	[20:34]
trinque	or how did you have the filesystem	[20:34]
trinque	it mounts a loop device at "build"	[20:34]
shinohai	yup it mounted device fine	[20:34]
danielpbarron	doesn't that create the final thing? i'm trying to create the flash installer	[20:34]
trinque	there's no "installer" for gentoo that I'm aware of	[20:34]
trinque	the livecd is just another gentoo system	[20:34]
danielpbarron	that's what i mean	[20:34]
danielpbarron	livecd on flash drive	[20:35]
trinque	yar, this will do that	[20:35]
trinque	you need to change two things	[20:35]
trinque	blank out the value for IMAGE and set BLKDEV to the device in /dev for your drive	[20:35]
trinque	being careful of course that you have the right one...	[20:35]
trinque	danielpbarron: the script is written to be read and edited to personal fit	[20:37]
danielpbarron	gah, better off doing that straight to a hard drive i think	[20:39]
trinque	either way.	[20:39]
trinque	it uses genkernel, so it has the livecd's hardware detection	[20:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51749 @ 0.00070217 = 36.3366 BTC [-] {3}	[20:40]
trinque	VariaVarietatis: why do you need voice to read logs?	[20:41]
shinohai	kek	[20:42]
BingoBoingo	^	[20:42]
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trinque	danielpbarron: lemme know how your experience goes; and shinohai I thought you had bad ram or something	[20:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24678 @ 0.00072565 = 17.9076 BTC [+] {3}	[20:43]
Adlai	congratulations alphabetmike and threeletteragencygavin, you've self-excommunicated me to the second foundation	[20:44]
Adlai	so where do i begin with this bitcoin thing?	[20:44]
Adlai	(or do i need to make a third foundation with ben_vulpes and trinque and phf and all the other lispers)	[20:45]
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trinque	I only know of one legitimate bitcoin foundation	[20:48]
trinque	(ey satoshi, get in the WoT!)	[20:49]
thestringpuller	Adlai: interesting...there is no lisp client that I can find.	[20:49]
*	Adlai wrote his own secp256k1 group operations, isn't all the rest supposed to write itself?	[20:49]
trinque	Adlai: did you make a shithub?	[20:50]
trinque	I hear that site writes your code for you	[20:50]
Adlai	sorta?	[20:50]
Adlai	disclaimer: most of this code was written by some pseudonymous tardstalk mathemagician... https://github.com/adlai/bip0032sbcl	[20:51]
assbot	adlai/bip0032sbcl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jpu9lX )	[20:51]
*	Adlai only [re]wrote secp256k1.lisp	[20:51]
trinque	neat	[20:51]
trinque	"base autism" << bwahaha wut	[20:54]
Adlai	aha. what does the test test?	[20:54]
Adlai	cf https://github.com/adlai/bip0032sbcl/blob/master/secp256k1.lisp#L65	[20:55]
assbot	bip0032sbcl/secp256k1.lisp at master · adlai/bip0032sbcl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JgiGPk )	[20:55]
kakobrekla	;;ticker	[20:55]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 204.25, Best ask: 175.84656934, Bid-ask spread: -28.40343, Last trade: 187.25, 24 hour volume: 50551.56244909, 24 hour low: 225.03, 24 hour high: 258.5, 24 hour vwap: None	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	!up olol	[20:55]
-assbot-	You voiced olol for 30 minutes.	[20:55]
*	assbot gives voice to olol	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	!up fkhan	[20:55]
-assbot-	You voiced fkhan for 30 minutes.	[20:55]
*	assbot gives voice to fkhan	[20:55]
Adlai	!t m s.mpoe	[20:56]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00069186 / 0.00072023 / 0.00076057 (2019005 shares, 1,454.16 BTC), 7D: 0.00057936 / 0.0006804 / 0.0007991 (12557623 shares, 8,544.23 BTC), 30D: 0.00049661 / 0.00057265 / 0.0007991 (83883070 shares, 48,036.33 BTC)	[20:56]
kakobrekla	175 on bfx	[20:56]
Adlai	so close to breaking 80ksat :(	[20:56]
*	BingoBoingo thinks BIP 14 user agent string when paired with therealbitcoin have serious potential for lulz	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	so where do i begin with this bitcoin thing? << get stator/rotor going, is a start.	[20:56]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: it's in the pipeline	[20:56]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: atm tabled from lack of anyone asking for it	[20:57]
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Adlai	mircea_popescu: thank you, i have found this signal but there's so much noise. working my way through it, trolling a little on the side because trinque apparently skipped number theory class	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	bid-ask spread NEGATIVE ?	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck lol	[20:58]
asciilifeform	in other nyooz, 72 connections on dulap	[20:58]
asciilifeform	need moar nodez!	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	bitfinexoinica!	[20:58]
trinque	Adlai: I'm over here reading your code, you cunt.	[20:58]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Cool. It's one of those little pieces which seems to be holding up things like the getpeerinfo call. One of the things keeping my on my personal 0.7 fork. I find myself adjusting my user agent probably a couple times a week now for the chuckles	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[20:59]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 204.25, Best ask: 193.59607986, Bid-ask spread: -10.65392, Last trade: 180.17251972, 24 hour volume: 72150.16277429, 24 hour low: 162.0, 24 hour high: 258.5, 24 hour vwap: None	[20:59]
*	Adlai gets that warm fuzzy feeling, like how you hit your elbow when somebody thinks of you, but geekier	[20:59]
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trinque	and I skipped all the classes, so you'll have to try harder than that.	[20:59]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker from some exchange that's not shit	[20:59]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 223.71, vol: 15951.47102033 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 230.0, vol: 8456.85296 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 180.74439559, vol: 72150.16277429 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 244.99, vol: 46.91052349 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 231.160764, vol: 19158.45630000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 199.34967, vol: 682.84999191 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 231.7403, vol: 128.65959276 \| Volume-weighted last (1 more message)	[20:59]
gribble	(ticker [--bid\|--ask\|--last\|--high\|--low\|--avg\|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market \|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)	[20:59]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[20:59]
gribble	average: 198.673495278	[20:59]
Adlai	trinque: sure but you probably got paper at the end	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	so bitfinex finally does the thing it was supposed to to and "cause panic" ?	[21:00]
Adlai	thus all the classes you skipped don't count and your deadbeat dropout status is revoked	[21:00]
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mircea_popescu	pity all the gunpowder's wet bois.	[21:00]
asciilifeform	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hhiun/block_number_370434_first_block_with_a_version << ??	[21:00]
assbot	Block number 370434. First block with a version greater than 3 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpvtoU )	[21:00]
BingoBoingo	Fuck, why couldn't potential fiat revenue stream actualize last month.	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform didn't bingo run >9k version for a whiole ?	[21:00]
trinque	Adlai: no, I skipped all the classes.	[21:00]
Adlai	asciilifeform: doesn't slush lets any shmuck with a spondongle specify version numbers?	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	Adlai right. redditards, "FIRST APPLE TREE!111 FOUND IT IN MY GARDEN!"	[21:01]
Adlai	BingoBoingo: so you could realize losses for FY2015	[21:01]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Client version not block version	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	o	[21:01]
BingoBoingo	Adlai: So I could add to the horde	[21:01]
Adlai	what horde, i thought they were all lost in a tragic mining accident	[21:01]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I'd have to mine to do block version.	[21:01]
BingoBoingo	Adlai: Who knows anymore	[21:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38950 @ 0.00073054 = 28.4545 BTC [+] {4}	[21:02]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: first 'i-suck-hearn-cock' block mined	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the bitfinex + kraken thing is pretty memorable lol.	[21:02]
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mircea_popescu	exactly what that guy told satoshi the plan's gonna be, back on the original list in 2009. "they'll invent fake btc, trade it and it will "go down".	[21:02]
BingoBoingo	!up EPiSKiNG-	[21:02]
*	assbot gives voice to EPiSKiNG-	[21:03]
asciilifeform	invent fake btc, trade - same algo as with metals	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	all the derps "buying" "cheap" bitcoin on the scams in question (bitfinex, kraken) remember : it's not yours until you send it to your offsite wallet.	[21:03]
Adlai	"fake btc" -_-	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	Adlai like mtgox btc./	[21:03]
Adlai	fake btc (unlike the real thing) exists solely in the mind of its bagholders	[21:03]
asciilifeform	entirely possible that sell flood of entirely genuine btc	[21:03]
Adlai	mtgox were semifake, you could trade them about	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform nah.	[21:04]
asciilifeform	n00bs collective pant pissing	[21:04]
asciilifeform	'hearn finally killed'	[21:04]
Adlai	actually yah, and it'd be the best thing to ever happen to btc	[21:04]
asciilifeform	*killed us	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	lol right.	[21:04]
Adlai	(second to satoshi spending directly to mpex)	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	how would that be great ? that'd be miserable.	[21:04]
Adlai	((without creating an account))	[21:04]
asciilifeform	https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000000174419fa2ba5003e123dbd97c6982aff1863f016b04789d	[21:05]
assbot	Bitcoin Block #370434 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jpwg9a )	[21:05]
Adlai	!rate asciilifeform -42 still uses blockchain.info	[21:05]
assbot	Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.	[21:05]
asciilifeform	Adlai: what do you use ?	[21:05]
Adlai	webbtc.com (or blocktrail.com for unconfirmed)	[21:05]
Adlai	or better yet, a fucking node	[21:06]
trinque	Adlai seems to be using the Erdos method re: mathematics	[21:06]
asciilifeform	Adlai: your node puts txes in a graphical viewer thing ?	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	yeah since the tools alf dropped nodes are actually much more usable for ths	[21:06]
asciilifeform	~could~ be usable	[21:06]
asciilifeform	if someone wrote a tool	[21:06]
asciilifeform	that ACTUALLY DOES WHAT bci does	[21:06]
BingoBoingo	!b 4	[21:06]
assbot	Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2EP77FW.txt )	[21:06]
asciilifeform	and not 'aha yes equivalent'	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	just dumping the block	[21:07]
BingoBoingo	bci still runs version 7-ish	[21:07]
Adlai	asciilifeform: please elaborate on exactly which "graphical viewer thing" bci does that no other explorer does	[21:07]
Adlai	BingoBoingo: false, they run version j-ish	[21:07]
trinque	stamp just popped back up to 234	[21:07]
BingoBoingo	sure?	[21:07]
asciilifeform	Adlai: for one thing, not being slow as fuck	[21:07]
asciilifeform	(like both of the items you linked)	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	trinque i for one am very curious how bitfinex is going to settle all the buyers.	[21:07]
BingoBoingo	Anyways Adlai I thought you were J-ish	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	kraken not so much, nobody uses the scammy pos	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	but somehow a buncha derps failed to read the memo re bitfinex.	[21:08]
asciilifeform	Adlai: for another thing, ACTUALLY SHOWING THE FUCKING VERSION	[21:08]
Adlai	asciilifeform: tradeblock.com/blockchain	[21:08]
asciilifeform	Adlai: 'webbtc.com' does NOT	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the version is in the block as spit out, what gfx do you need ?	[21:08]
Adlai	webbtc.com uses ruby, it sucks, i know, i like them because they run scripts on demand	[21:08]
asciilifeform	Adlai: where is the version !!	[21:08]
Adlai	tx? block? node?	[21:08]
asciilifeform	Adlai: blokc.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	block we're discussing	[21:09]
asciilifeform	and i don't even see a list of blocks	[21:09]
asciilifeform	srsly this is ~loathesome~ habit of open source folks, linking to a gimp when i need to take a photoshit	[21:09]
asciilifeform	it is NOT THE SAME !!1111	[21:09]
asciilifeform	don't lie and say 'same'.	[21:09]
trinque	but how are we to in-group signal?	[21:09]
asciilifeform	signal with farts.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	wait wut ?!	[21:09]
Adlai	wow, webbtc really is slow right now	[21:10]
asciilifeform	and yes, bci is a loathesome usg-operated item, sure.	[21:10]
asciilifeform	but it won't die on account of anyone pretending that xyz five-minutes-of-perl piece of shit is 'equal'	[21:10]
*	Adlai has yet to find an explorer, other than local-node-and-neurons, that provides http://webbtc.com/script/3617d2d6991ee2684eee12fca16fe041cde7eaceab527b855c014dbdae7a7731:0	[21:11]
assbot	Bitcoin BlockBrowser - Debug Script Execution ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jgkd7Y )	[21:11]
*	asciilifeform reveals, to no one's great surprise, that he is voicing years of frustration with the entire 'open src' world in this thread, not merely bci-replacements.	[21:11]
BingoBoingo	signal with farts. << If I understand Edgerouter and Pogo are "farts" that signal ingroup. GIMP is a shit that doesn't work by spz to signal ingroup?	[21:11]
asciilifeform	Adlai: except i didn't ~need~ that	[21:11]
asciilifeform	Adlai: i needed ~clickable block viewer that shows version~	[21:11]
Adlai	well fuck me i'm here to give you what you don't need	[21:11]
*	Adlai goes work on his http://www.dorodango.com/create.html	[21:13]
assbot	dorodango \| create ... ( http://bit.ly/1JgklV1 )	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	a) dude wtf, gimp is the worst example for this, srsly ; b) your own block dump thing actually works for the purpose you discussed, chillax already ; c) there are all sorts of block explorers, yes. it'd be nice if one day someone makes the blockdump one we discussed but that's about it.	[21:13]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it is actually the best example. of a proggy which naive folks suggest 'will do all the same things'	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	that's not the suggestion. what's said is that gimp is like lisp : if what you want to do can't be done in gimp iot's because you're either stupid or stupid.	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	ie, want to do something that shouldn't be done, or can't figure out how to find someone's pre-made lisp script	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	(yes, gimp trivially works on lisp)	[21:14]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: go and tell this to a pro artist who has a 14-bit pressure and gyroscopic sensor 'wacom' drawing tablet that pays his rent.	[21:15]
asciilifeform	that does not work with gimp.	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	it's current;ly the only practical application i (or ANYONE ELSE, given that eulora challenge) have for lisp	[21:15]
asciilifeform	it or the 1,001 affine transform items it needs	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	"artist" using "drawing tablet" is retarded by definition.	[21:15]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i have yet to meet an actual pro or semi pro who draws with mice	[21:16]
asciilifeform	or still draws with ink and scanner	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	it is roughly the equivalent of a "really professional chess player" who plays chess in the dark and moving the pieces with his asshole.	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	isn't he elite!!1	[21:16]
asciilifeform	mno	[21:16]
asciilifeform	that'd be the OTHERS	[21:16]
asciilifeform	without tablet.	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	mice ? wtf.	[21:16]
asciilifeform	moving pieces with arse.	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	you draw with the fucking pencil.	[21:16]
asciilifeform	go vectorize that.	[21:17]
asciilifeform	or what, vector does not exist, aha ?	[21:17]
asciilifeform	all graphics are no larger than sheet of paper ?	[21:17]
asciilifeform	or metre-tall pixels are ok on billboard	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	so wait. "wacom doesn't work" is an objection to gimp,	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	but "vector is hard" is an argument pro ps ?	[21:17]
asciilifeform	it is for the man who doesn't program device drivers.	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	how about backwards!	[21:17]
asciilifeform	and you can't vectorize a pencil	[21:17]
asciilifeform	not via machine anyway	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	fact that wacom doesn't work with software means you can go fuck it, and fact that vectors are hard means you're still better off with gimp	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	at least you can SCRIPT IT	[21:18]
asciilifeform	the man who can program in scheme, can script it.	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	the man who can't hires one.	[21:18]
asciilifeform	and the artsy fella ?	[21:18]
asciilifeform	hires, l0l	[21:18]
asciilifeform	on artist's wages ?	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	so your artist IS retarded after all.	[21:18]
asciilifeform	of course.	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	not only he spent his money on something thar doesn't work	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	but it was his last money, too.	[21:18]
asciilifeform	i can already picture the conversation:	[21:19]
asciilifeform	cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'	[21:20]
asciilifeform	before anyone laughs, this approach has much to recommend it	[21:21]
asciilifeform	and in fact is sop in 'open source' world	[21:21]
asciilifeform	when dealing with civilians.	[21:21]
trinque	too late, laughed.	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	get the fuck outta here omfg!	[21:21]
asciilifeform	dollars to doughnuts everybody here has applied precisely this formula, and in fact no other is known.	[21:21]
BingoBoingo	!b 8	[21:22]
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mircea_popescu	i call bullshit. brb while i prove it.	[21:22]
trinque	I mean to be fair, what the man's saying is that gimp has a scripting layer	[21:22]
trinque	makes total sense	[21:22]
trinque	jack your wacom into that or what?	[21:22]
asciilifeform	it does!	[21:22]
asciilifeform	lovely scripting layer, too	[21:22]
asciilifeform	and for all i know, somebody ported wacom to it in last 7 or what years since i last cared	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	so basically you admit you got nothing.	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	good, saves me from fishing out that file setting up a challenge.	[21:23]
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asciilifeform	can find other hardware that is pro sop and not supported by any reasonable open package	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	YOU CAN FIND A FUYCKING BROOM	[21:23]
asciilifeform	e.g., laboratory robotics	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	hardware that doesn't work doesn't work	[21:23]
asciilifeform	no open anything.	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	this is not to be excused in software.	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	wtf bs is this!	[21:24]
asciilifeform	hardware without which job isn't done - must work. even if operator has to fellate obama.	[21:24]
asciilifeform	which - he will.	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	no.	[21:24]
asciilifeform	or changes jobs	[21:24]
asciilifeform	(as i did)	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	no bad piece of hardware is required by anyone but idiots.	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	period and full fucking stop, there isn't even what to discuss here.	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	all that can be done is repeating nonsense reddit style.	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	"oh noes, how about cabbie". pshhhh	[21:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i'll bite. find me a mass spectrometer with fully open specs	[21:24]
asciilifeform	or for that matter, GPU!	[21:24]
asciilifeform	eulora.	[21:24]
Adlai	penny for an emacs client?	[21:25]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-07-2015#1216134	[21:25]
assbot	Logged on 29-07-2015 04:41:23; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dun think it currently is possible to have an open source graphical anything.	[21:25]
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mircea_popescu	this is still not a "ps is good" thing.	[21:25]
asciilifeform	and yes, ~we~ know why this is so. but civilian does not, and blames 'crappy open crap'	[21:25]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not good thing. but it is a jail	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	completely ungermane spurious argument is orthogonal!	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	da fuck do i care what jwz blames.	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	"oh i really just want my computer to just work hurr"	[21:26]
asciilifeform	pointing out that this is not one of those jails which disappears if you stop believing in it	[21:26]
asciilifeform	and yes, they do.	[21:26]
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mircea_popescu	has nothing to do with belief.	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	ps turns out, without excewption, in all cases, inferior work, BECAUSE IT SUCKS. it. irretrievably, it ruins work.	[21:26]
asciilifeform	they want their spectrometer/chromatograph/triaxial robot/etc/... to work.	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	and has, for 10-15 years now.	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	claiming otherwise because you got your sexual advances turned down by a mass spectrometer is nuts.	[21:27]
trinque	relatedly, I have a 1 for relaxedman when he comes back. I yelled at him to read his way through snags with gentoo, and he did!	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	neither jwz nor mass spectrometers nor anything else has any bearing here.	[21:27]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it sure does suck. like most of the turdalicious offerings. but it is a mistake to suppose that folks use it on account of not having been woken up to the existing alternative	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	not in THIS case	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	which is why i said it's the worst example you could have come up with	[21:27]
trinque	did not bitch "oh but it didn't work out of the box"	[21:27]
*	asciilifeform may be missing something here	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	in the ps-gimp case, the only reason is strictly user being an imbecile.	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	yeah, you're missing the something where gimp is pretty much the only foss success in the actual marketplace.	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	ie, it saves man-hours. many. many many man hours.	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	that and fucking blender.	[21:28]
asciilifeform	blender, incidentally, was ransomed.	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[21:28]
asciilifeform	possibly the greatest antisuccess, from that pov.	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	being run by a bunch of incredibly idiotic idiots, yes. but still.	[21:29]
asciilifeform	in that it began life as an ordinary commercial package, written by folks who worked for a living	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	the software itself is os, and it does work.	[21:29]
asciilifeform	is today, yes.	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	this is what we're discussing	[21:29]
asciilifeform	was ransomed, for, iirc, 800K usd.	[21:29]
*	asciilifeform does not use blender with any regularity and cannot comment further	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	i don'trecall, but maybe cvut a digit. anyway, hgow is this related ?	[21:29]
asciilifeform	related in the sense that it is not 'ethnically open source'	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	...	[21:30]
asciilifeform	was born under conditions that are not available in the 'open source' world.	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	and you're not ethnically a programmer.	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	wtf nonsense is this.	[21:30]
asciilifeform	in precisely that sense	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	there isn't a nation called "Programmer".	[21:31]
asciilifeform	there almost is, and it is the one pictured in sebastian brandt's 'ship of fools'	[21:31]
asciilifeform	(mega-b00k, recommended to all)	[21:31]
BingoBoingo	relatedly, I have a 1 for relaxedman when he comes back. I yelled at him to read his way through snags with gentoo, and he did! << Promised the same for OpenBSD, but...	[21:31]
trinque	can't speak to that, but the guy got himself booted, through X and a DE, so I can dig that.	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	anyway. yes usg can be rejected just by rejecting it. no, there aren't places where this actually hurts one. yes if one perceives to be hurt it's because one did something stupid in the past he'll have to undo. no this isn't anyone else's problem and no this calls for no sympathy.	[21:32]
asciilifeform	this is entirely true	[21:32]
asciilifeform	but the 'stupid move' can be - the choice of profession.	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	only if the "profession" is saomethiong like "pop star",	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	ie, not a profession.	[21:33]
asciilifeform	or vector artist.	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	mno.	[21:33]
asciilifeform	or spectrometer user.	[21:33]
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mircea_popescu	neither.	[21:33]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: be so kind as to describe what the mass spec user ought to be doing	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	and don't start with "gimme free stuff in very ellaborate detail of compelx usage".	[21:33]
asciilifeform	to escape from shitblows	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	buy spectrometer, 2nd hand. reverse it or pay for it be reversed. run it on sane computer.	[21:34]
asciilifeform	let's work this gedankenexample?	[21:34]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: and pay to have sane computer produced ?	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	useful life of the tool is 30 years +, so. you get to "break it in" for a few months first.	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	a "sane-indistinct" computer can be had for the task as defined, out of shelf parts.	[21:35]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu perhaps did not think that usg could be any moar retarded than it looks already, but here is a mega-secret: a great many (most?) u.s. laboratories have personnel empowered to purchase materiel (e.g., spectrometer) but not ever hire anyone.	[21:35]
asciilifeform	hence no reverser.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	i do nopt care about the problems of tribes in africa.	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	why do you ?	[21:36]
asciilifeform	except when one appears by accident (as my old job)	[21:36]
asciilifeform	because i live there.	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	move.	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	africa is not something that can be fixed. it's what the word "africa" means.	[21:36]
asciilifeform	[insert link to 1,001 pertinent threads here]	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	"broken beyond repair" in african.	[21:36]
asciilifeform	^^	[21:36]
asciilifeform	!b 4	[21:36]
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*	asciilifeform or at least anything involving mass spectrometers, rather than knife sharpeners	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	i imagine poor alf mother was in it for a 3 week labour	[21:38]
asciilifeform	l0l	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	until they could convince the infant that indeed he is "needed" outside.	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	because that's the criteria nao.	[21:38]
asciilifeform	'every sperm is wanted! every sperm is good. every sperm is needed! in your neighbourhood!' (tm) (r) (montypython)	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i can appreciate the part where usg is there to give money to "compensate" the retarded kids that didn't reverse their spectrometer and so ended up with X loss tjhrough any of thbe multiple avenues. and i can appreciate how this makes lazy people manifest thjeir lazy.	[21:40]
asciilifeform	well yes, this is the pons asinorum of why microshit is even a thing	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	but this is not your concern!	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	you don't do the right things TO be paid. you do them BECAUSE they're the right things.	[21:41]
asciilifeform	when it was my concern, i sat and reversed.	[21:41]
asciilifeform	and yes, Right Thing.	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	yes the world should work correctly. but whether it does or does not is not your fucking problem.	[21:41]
asciilifeform	precisely that.	[21:41]
asciilifeform	but it ~is~ my problem when the sword is over my personal neck.	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	because why, you'll die anyway.	[21:42]
asciilifeform	'die another day' (tm)	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	if you die you sleep ad libitum, alfie.	[21:42]
asciilifeform	mm	[21:42]
trinque	!b 3	[21:42]
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trinque	aw, missed	[21:42]
asciilifeform	;;later tell BingoBoingo if you write a patch for the verson string thing, i'll read it!	[21:43]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[21:43]
Adlai	sleep ad libitum, but perchance - dream	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	"and through reversing, end them ?"	[21:44]
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Adlai	indeed, bitcoin is only worth anything because it's maximally irreversible	[21:46]
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mircea_popescu	o.O	[21:48]
trinque	did nobody get my erdos meth joke?	[21:48]
trinque	sad day	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	i did not!	[21:48]
trinque	haha	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	Adlai seems to be using the Erdos method re: mathematics < ?	[21:48]
asciilifeform	trinque: as far as is publicly known, erdos took dextroamphetamine rather than meth	[21:48]
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asciilifeform	!up Bingo_VACAY	[21:49]
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trinque	mircea_popescu: haha that was the one	[21:49]
trinque	asciilifeform: ah, my mistake	[21:49]
Bingo_VACAY	Knocked offline weather	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	you'll have to explain it to me.	[21:49]
asciilifeform	trinque: to be fair, i was not there, heard secondhand	[21:49]
Bingo_VACAY	I need moar batteries	[21:49]
trinque	mircea_popescu: fella just seemed excited	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	don't quit the dayjob eh.	[21:50]
Adlai	deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/29GT0N5.txt	[21:50]
deedbot-	accepted: 1	[21:50]
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danielpbarron	trinque, your script references a .tar.bz2 file that no longer exists, and it assumes I already have the gpg public key that signed the digest file	[21:52]
Adlai	trinque: if "erdos method" means hopped up on speed couchsurfing through the wot, i'd be honored but a little overplaying my character	[21:52]
trinque	yar, in the subsequent logs there's mention that it needs to be changed to the latest stage3	[21:52]
trinque	Adlai: twas just an idle joke sir	[21:52]
Adlai	but someday!	[21:52]
*	trinque also enjoys the latest deed	[21:53]
Adlai	all this requires is that a sufficient percentage of the wot settle in harm-reducing jurisdictia	[21:53]
trinque	this being which?	[21:53]
Adlai	which this being which what?	[21:53]
trinque	whaaha	[21:53]
Bingo_VACAY	Someday I won't irc on 3g because Thor decided to be a USG bitch	[21:53]
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Adlai	get some sleep trinque, your antecedents are out of contrel	[21:54]
trinque	danielpbarron: yours + 2 is my response, might've gotten overlooked	[21:56]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i'm kinda curious on what planet it is sop to have the mass spectrometer reversed and enlinuxed. because i'd like to move to that planet. instead of here, where, as of five minutes ago, my mailbox was NOT deluged with offers of vast riches (or even paid rent) for reversing laboratory instruments.	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	no meatwot eh ? :)	[22:03]
asciilifeform	on the planet where i live, owners of such items suck usg cock, WITHOUT EXCEPTION	[22:03]
asciilifeform	i dun think this particular wot exists.	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	meta nsa no more ?	[22:04]
asciilifeform	or at least it creates no evidence of its existence	[22:04]
asciilifeform	meta nsa makes own spectrometer.	[22:04]
asciilifeform	out of pure thought.	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	i c	[22:04]
asciilifeform	or, more realistic, when really needs an 'open' instrument, hires away the designer	[22:05]
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mircea_popescu	one "really needs" an open instrument like one really needs a trustworthy wife.	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	all the time without exception.	[22:07]
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*	Adlai thinks asciilifeform's attitude is only correct in the pre-scarcity world	[22:09]
Adlai	someday all the designers will be dead, and all the instruments rusted	[22:09]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: with instruments, it is more of 'do you want the crack whore who fucks 10,001 sailors monthly or the standard whore who fucks 101 engineers'	[22:09]
asciilifeform	Adlai: i already live in the world where designers are (largely) dead and the instruments are getting only more rusted	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	yet magically no one's trying to do anything. somehow.	[22:10]
*	asciilifeform has been known to.	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	incidentally asciilifeform often times i look around at this retarded place and i feel i live in the future us.	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	it's very instructive.	[22:11]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: y'know, future us, past us, all the same from the dirigible, no ?	[22:11]
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mircea_popescu	the precious little they do right, they do by thoughtlessly following tradition.	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	everything else ... it's beyond words.	[22:11]
asciilifeform	as with any pesthole	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	nah, i'd love a future us atm.	[22:11]
asciilifeform	iirc uncle al described it as 'running on fumes'	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	quite exactly.	[22:11]
asciilifeform	and yet, my phone did not ring today, with argentinian master of spectrometer who wants linuxification	[22:12]
asciilifeform	nor is the firm where i work deluged with argentinian inquiries re: samples of virii	[22:13]
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mircea_popescu	i would be much surprised if there's an argentinian who even knows what to do wit hone.	[22:13]
asciilifeform	so no r&d.	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	except, of course, for the obvious : TAKE FACEBOOK PICTUREWS NEXT TO IT!	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	no r&d ? no secondary education.	[22:13]
asciilifeform	thing is, this largely describes the u.s.	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[22:13]
asciilifeform	but in the entire thing there is, dissolved, the equivalent of maybe 2 or 3 soviet 'postbox' r&d towns	[22:14]
asciilifeform	i kinda assumed this is also true in ar.	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	maybe there. not here.	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	here "r&d" is xapo.	[22:14]
*	asciilifeform retches	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	the peak of it, at any rate.	[22:14]
*	asciilifeform recalling the story with peron and the jet plane	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	absent another ww they can sit neutral around, they're so fucked zimbabwe looks promising.	[22:15]
asciilifeform	;;google kurt tank	[22:15]
gribble	Kurt Tank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Focke-Wulf Ta 152 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Kurt Tank \| biography - German aircraft designer and test pilot ...:	[22:15]
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asciilifeform	http://bitcoinist.net/bitcoin-price-crashes-amid-perceived-network-disagreement-block-size << lulzy filipinotronics	[22:18]
assbot	Bitcoin Price Crashes amid Perceived Network Disagreement over Block Size - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1E47U2k )	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	it's all they got to show for a lot of expenditure.	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	let teh poor ppls enjoy.	[22:19]
*	mircea_popescu still can't wait to see how the bitfinex settlement's gonna work	[22:20]
BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243257 << I may give it a go. Would likely need polishing. Thankfully not that big a gap between first BIP 14 strings and therealBitcoin	[22:20]
assbot	Logged on 19-08-2015 00:41:43; asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo if you write a patch for the verson string thing, i'll read it!	[22:20]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: remember to use vdiff.sh	[22:21]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I never had the original diff learned so it should be interesting	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	exciting	[22:22]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: takes two args, directories a and b, and shits out diff to stdout	[22:22]
BingoBoingo	http://bitcoinist.net/bitcoin-price-crashes-amid-perceived-network-disagreement-block-size << lulzy filipinotronics <<<< Written by: Caleb Chen << used to run the CCN shithole. I'm not convince these are separate concerns	[22:29]
assbot	Bitcoin Price Crashes amid Perceived Network Disagreement over Block Size - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1E47U2k )	[22:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55464 @ 0.0007179 = 39.8176 BTC [-]	[22:29]
BingoBoingo	Related filipenis https://voat.co/v/bitcoin/comments/427198	[22:30]
assbot	Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1E49b9K )	[22:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37678 @ 0.0007179 = 27.049 BTC [-]	[22:31]
BingoBoingo	I'm just amazed how much of 2011 and 2012 the Filipenis is bringing back	[22:36]
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BingoBoingo	"GeneralLee" is sync'd on home connection again after weather event	[22:45]
BingoBoingo	!up Vexual	[22:48]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107361 @ 0.00073155 = 78.5399 BTC [+] {3}	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo basically, their bitfinex broom fired. the once it gets to fire.	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck will still use it after this... god knows they were making up most of the volume anyway.	[23:02]
BingoBoingo	Maybe it is a Mosin, they could have a whole nother 4 to fire	[23:02]
BingoBoingo	2nd or 3rd though prolly get that persistent Gox disconnect	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	i dunno who actually possessed of the least bitcoin interest would still use it after this.	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	but that aside, there still is the issue of settlement on the fake btc they sold < 200.	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	who's gonna pay, gavin ?	[23:03]
BingoBoingo	i dunno who actually possessed of the least bitcoin interest would still use it after this. << AMeriPhillipenis	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	right.	[23:05]
BingoBoingo	but that aside, there still is the issue of settlement on the fake btc they sold < 200. << Like Gox they hope noone ever withdraws	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	for all i care the dept of hernia can keep on doing this 300k donation programme to people who've took an obvious shot at 10:1 leverage untill they fall over.	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	they'd get better roi by buying adwords or something, but hey.	[23:05]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00073505 = 25.7268 BTC [+] {3}	[23:13]
BingoBoingo	Well, reddit didn't do it	[23:15]
scoopbot_revived	Coinwallet Plans Spam While the Spamming is Cheap http://qntra.net/2015/08/coinwallet-plans-spam-while-the-spamming-is-cheap/	[23:15]
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mircea_popescu	lol speaking of bitfines, anyone rememeber "picostocks/100th" anymore ?	[23:21]
BingoBoingo	Of course.	[23:21]
BingoBoingo	One of the early places I spotted Hanbot eating souls	[23:21]
BingoBoingo	"Five Year Old Foot Longs" >> http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/08/18/former_subway_spokesman_jared_fogle_reportedly_will_plead_guilty_to_child.html	[23:22]
assbot	Former Subway spokesman Jared Fogle reportedly will plead guilty to child porn charges. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NDYcE8 )	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[23:25]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 235.66, Best ask: 235.95, Bid-ask spread: 0.29000, Last trade: 235.72, 24 hour volume: 124974.00784124, 24 hour low: 162.0, 24 hour high: 258.18, 24 hour vwap: None	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[23:25]
BingoBoingo	Also, apparently how Qntra climbed from 250,000 to 50,000th place in US traffic while visits slowed http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2015/08/18/new_york_times_daily_mail_bbc_buzzfeed_why_did_web_traffic_for_world_s_biggest.html	[23:26]
assbot	New York Times, Daily Mail, BBC, BuzzFeed: Why did web traffic for world's biggest publishers drop in April? ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4e2b2 )	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	it's an alrogithm	[23:27]
BingoBoingo	Of course	[23:28]
mats	it falls	[23:29]
thestringpuller	;;nethash	[23:29]
gribble	371977103.291	[23:29]
BingoBoingo	Still a relative increase of 200,000 places on a traffic decling, not bad. Glad fartbook was ignored	[23:29]
mats	im even moar poor than b4	[23:29]
BingoBoingo	I am always both poorer and richer than I have ever been before	[23:31]
*	trinque is eagerly waiting at the sidelines	[23:33]
trinque	FALL MOAR	[23:33]
BingoBoingo	trinque: No, stay up and fall once I have fiat	[23:33]
danielpbarron	i got the iso to boot from a flash drive using something called unetbootin	[23:39]
thestringpuller	the netbooter?	[23:40]
thestringpuller	doesn' tthat thing make a bootstick of any linux?	[23:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80500 @ 0.00070304 = 56.5947 BTC [-] {4}	[23:41]
danielpbarron	ya	[23:43]
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*	asciilifeform would like to know - but does not expect mircea_popescu to say - why mircea_popescu believes the 'cheap' coinz are fictional, rather than panic-sold by the usual folks	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	crossed wire.	[23:50]
asciilifeform	c0sm1c rayz!	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	no. you understand what this means ?	[23:50]
BingoBoingo	Not the first time	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	normally the price goes 10 / 11	[23:50]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: apparently not?	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	when the price goes 10 / 7 it is because the people selling the fake btc do no wish to run their meagre offering into the bids of 10	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	so they fix the "exchange" to not serve bids anymore.	[23:51]
asciilifeform	but serve some, for show ?	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	so as to get the fraudulent price signal out	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	so that maybe others panic.	[23:52]
asciilifeform	shake loose what is not bolted down well, sure.	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	and i expect a sec investigation into bitfinex post haste.	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	unless the sec particularly wants me to run an investigation into IT.,	[23:52]
asciilifeform	10 / 7 is sufficient evidence for this hypothesis? and bitfinex alone originates this gambit ?	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	with the caveat that i run my investigations with people hanging by butcher hooks.	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it is, yes.	[23:53]
scoopbot_revived	So the broomstick fired. http://trilema.com/2015/so-the-broomstick-fired/	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	that never happens naturally. you gotta do it, much like "bullet shaped hole in head" is proof someone was shot.	[23:53]
asciilifeform	stimulatingly goxian	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	it's not "a tumor"	[23:53]
asciilifeform	waitasec	[23:54]
asciilifeform	Bid-ask spread: -28.40343 >> isn't that convertible to an arse-mouth system ?	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	doh.	[23:54]
asciilifeform	what prevents this ?	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	see ?	[23:54]
asciilifeform	anyone connect the hose yet?	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	yes. they got shook to the tune of 5-10mn for their sins.	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	and i don't expect them to pay, either.	[23:55]
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*	asciilifeform brain melts	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	;;google this is what desperation looks like.	[23:56]
gribble	People Are Desperate To See What Jennifer Aniston's Wedding ...: ; Marriage equality opponents show what desperation looks like: ; Now we know what desperation looks like (1 more message)	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	derp. google, learn to serve trilema.	[23:56]
asciilifeform	why would anybody ~do~ that	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	running out of options.	[23:56]
asciilifeform	is this basically a usg equivalent of letting the screwdriver slip and the plutonium hemispheres fall ?	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	yes, provided the population is cockroaches. they expect no negative effects past you know, being more braindamaged than before.w	[23:57]
*	asciilifeform has hard time picturing anyone but a 'bitfinex' insider walking away with those (partially imaginary) arse-mouth-extracted coinz	[23:59]

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