Forum logs for 17 Oct 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu !up maximian [00:00]
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* asciilifeform on first reading, thinks that the draft patch breaks key generation [00:02]
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gabrielradio http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300433 << mircea_popescu comparing the two is pretty instructive for me, i think i got a better idea now [00:19]
assbot Logged on 16-10-2015 12:46:05; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gabrielradio http://trilema.com/2015/the-christian-europe-and-other-aberrant-notions/ [00:19]
mircea_popescu wim [00:19]
mircea_popescu win* [00:19]
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gabrielradio http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300635 << thinking about it, it should have been obvious from the article [00:21]
assbot Logged on 16-10-2015 18:23:53; mircea_popescu: gabrielradio it's "guide for half the oral sex". see, because two sexes ? [00:21]
mircea_popescu lotta gotchas like that. [00:23]
mircea_popescu but i guess the old adage stands, that there's no better way to understand a text than to try and translate it [00:23]
mircea_popescu but in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/fbfba8eb7cdef00530de28c8ac512902/tumblr_nqs6ozbRVs1tlluajo1_400.gif [00:24]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1XailHg ) [00:24]
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asciilifeform ^ now that's an interesting bit of stage magic. i suspect that the two instruments (strappado and spanish horse) cancel out [00:30]
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mircea_popescu if you measure correctly you can get her to where she's not totally murdering herself on that thing. not trivial. [00:33]
phf sort of the whole point [00:33]
mircea_popescu as opposed to the whore point. [00:35]
asciilifeform bucky fuller called this 'tensegrity' [00:42]
mircea_popescu aha. it's particularly difficult in humans, because as ben_vulpes observes, flesh. [00:45]
mircea_popescu also that's probably the worst presentation for it, seeing how the shoulder articulation actually unhinges. [00:45]
asciilifeform https://web.archive.org/web/20120811013032/http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-tol/2007-September/000871.html << valuables like this, one is lucky to unearth, while 10,000,001 copies of pediwikia litter the net... [00:50]
assbot bytecode interpreters for tiny computers ... ( http://bit.ly/1XajRJo ) [00:50]
ben_vulpes no closed form solution for the three body solution eh? [00:52]
ben_vulpes three body problem* [00:52]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i see nobody orbiting... [00:52]
ben_vulpes orbital subset is just a subset of the general stability problems [00:53]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: it ain't a '3body' unless you have 3 bodies free in motion [00:54]
ben_vulpes all bodies are in motion in some reference frame [00:54]
ben_vulpes fine it's not a three body problem its a stretchypainavoidantthing/gravity/pointything problem [00:55]
asciilifeform any other fundamental boojum, go and abuse, but this one - i felt on own skin. [00:56]
ben_vulpes what, the spanish horse? [00:57]
asciilifeform mno [00:57]
asciilifeform the 3-body problem. [00:57]
ben_vulpes :P [00:57]
ben_vulpes what do you mean 'felt on own skin'? [00:57]
asciilifeform it's in the logz. [00:58]
ben_vulpes !s three body problem [00:59]
assbot 5 results for 'three body problem' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=three+body+problem [00:59]
mircea_popescu ;;google "moving bodies in own gravitational field" visegrad [01:00]
gribble Mass, Momentum and Energy of Gravitational Field: ; Gravitational field - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; GRAVITATIONAL FIELDS - Catedu: [01:00]
mircea_popescu heh. lost to history. [01:00]
mircea_popescu ;;google first step to nobel prize in physics visegrad [01:01]
gribble FIRST STEP TO NOBEL PRIZE IN PHYSICS: ; First Step to Nobel Prize in Physics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; First Step to Nobel Prize in Physics - Foton: [01:01]
mircea_popescu oh ok, that is recorded. [01:01]
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ben_vulpes in other news, bloom county's back [01:05]
mircea_popescu whassat ? [01:06]
ben_vulpes us satire comic spanning the eighties [01:07]
mircea_popescu a [01:08]
ben_vulpes http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/bananaad.gif [01:08]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1XakJh2 ) [01:08]
ben_vulpes ahaha the banana [01:08]
mircea_popescu Second, one might ask why this is happening to boys more than girls. It's obvious to anyone who has ever seen a boy that they appear, as compared to a similarly aged girl, completely retarded. So it makes sense that affluent parents-- any parents-- who have the option, will redshirt their five year old boy and hope he gets another year of maturity under his belt so that-- and this is my point-- he can keep up with th [01:09]
mircea_popescu e girls. So the problem isn't simply that boys mature slower than girls, it is that they are required to perform the same exact skills at the same exact time. Any surprise boys hate school more, "ADHD" is more prevalent, etc? And there is more anxiety and thus pressure about the potential ineptitude of sons than daughters. [01:09]
mircea_popescu http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/10/the_graying_of_kindergarten_th.html [01:09]
assbot The Last Psychiatrist: The Graying Of Kindergarten: The Goal Is To Keep Them In Puberty, Part 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1XakP8p ) [01:09]
mircea_popescu the result of making education "more inclusive" ? society gets tuned out by the most important half of itself. [01:09]
mircea_popescu way to go. [01:09]
mircea_popescu somehow the obvious "if you've not managed to sell school to boys you failed" is not getting across. "girls will stick with it because that's what girls ARE" is not even possible to contemplate. [01:10]
mircea_popescu then people wanna know "what went wrong" [01:10]
ben_vulpes http://i58.tinypic.com/w7j0j7.jpg << still relevant [01:10]
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mircea_popescu i wonder how many people are willing to earnestly contemplate the sad truth that you HAVE TO tell small boys that they're better than small girls, and you HAVE TO construct everything to make them actually believe it. nobody wants to do this, everyone has to do this, because the alternative is, plainly speaking, death. [01:12]
asciilifeform which death [01:12]
mircea_popescu the death where everyone runs around like a headless chicken while the economy disappears "all by itself" and every war is lost (and scarcely even worth the name) [01:13]
mircea_popescu the death where mp is NOT EVEN IMPRESSED. and he's from fucking romanistan! [01:14]
asciilifeform .. but why is it necessary to 'tell them they're better' [01:15]
asciilifeform if this is a self-evident thing [01:15]
mircea_popescu to quote, for truth : [01:15]
mircea_popescu " It's obvious to anyone who has ever seen a boy that they appear, as compared to a similarly aged girl, completely retarded." [01:16]
mircea_popescu the problem is that boys are retarded while girls are useless. [01:16]
mircea_popescu retarded, that you can fix. [01:16]
asciilifeform to industry, quite the opposite of useless. biorobot. assemble ipnohe, all day, every day. [01:16]
mircea_popescu not for all of them, but you don't need to, and it doesn't work reliably either, but you don't need it to, either. [01:17]
asciilifeform precisely the kind of creature called for. [01:17]
mircea_popescu mno. [01:17]
asciilifeform see many boiz in cn factory floor ? [01:17]
mircea_popescu how many boyz in the successful satellite launch ? [01:18]
mircea_popescu who designed their winning rockets, and more importantly, who decided to even go that way ? [01:18]
ben_vulpes http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com/Bloom%20County.gif << lmk when the nyooz goes out haxxed, then perhaps there is enough windows [01:18]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: one korolev designs, 10,001 biorobots - assemble. [01:19]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes pretty good. [01:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is the meaning of useless. [01:19]
asciilifeform school is not for producing korolev (even if anyone knew how...) it produces biorobots. [01:19]
mircea_popescu not so. [01:20]
mircea_popescu school is for providing the background where korolev grows up. both he and the background are unaware of what they're doing there. [01:20]
mircea_popescu but that's what the WHOLE THING is for. [01:20]
mircea_popescu that one guy. the rest you can pour gasoline on. [01:20]
asciilifeform what's he to do alone? [01:21]
asciilifeform write into desk drawer? [01:21]
mircea_popescu we just said he's not alone. [01:21]
asciilifeform ah background. [01:22]
mircea_popescu aha. [01:22]
asciilifeform anyway, yes, in practice, this. but to the extent anyone designed the whole shebang, it was for biorobots. [01:23]
phf sort of like ender's game model, other boys are also there for him to sharpen his faculties [01:23]
asciilifeform (bismarckian public 'education', that is) [01:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform NO IT WASNT [01:23]
mircea_popescu that's the damned beauty of it. [01:23]
ben_vulpes http://www.rocketryforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=86955&d=1339727948 << one for stan [01:23]
mircea_popescu to the extent it EVER worked, it was specifically designed koan-style by koan-aware people for that one guy. [01:23]
mircea_popescu in both western and eastern tradition, at that! [01:23]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: l0lz [01:24]
ben_vulpes https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/f1/d7/64/f1d7640bec3aa3bbded2d46ac991457e.jpg << and one for mp [01:24]
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mircea_popescu yes murican "educational experts" never got wtf the thing is for or about. because whatever, paint copysts. [01:24]
mircea_popescu mens ranch lol [01:25]
mircea_popescu why not "dude ranch" [01:25]
ben_vulpes mens "kouch"! [01:25]
mircea_popescu oh oh [01:26]
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mircea_popescu anyway, back to the point : unless you actually spend the inordinate amount of effort and make-believe into getting boys appear (to themselves, and to others) actually worth the effort, they won't be. and from there on the whole shebang unravels. [01:29]
mircea_popescu it's rather instructive to compare the "what they were telling 5yo boys" sides of historical conflicts, with the "who won", check out that r! [01:29]
mircea_popescu and no, bismarckian public education is the original PRODUCTIVE scam. that's why the system even survived through centuries (and really, the same shit held up classical antiquity, just, different name) [01:32]
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mircea_popescu "lie to little boys about their value, which is absent ; lie to little girls about their inferiority, which is nonsense. come out ahead of "saner" people." [01:33]
mircea_popescu nutty, but the fit flavour of nut. [01:33]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: on a not-unrelated note, i learned that a few floors down from my office there is a ~pediatric shrink~. prolly prescribes dope, even. [01:35]
asciilifeform didja know there was such a thing. [01:35]
mircea_popescu in the states ? myeah. [01:36]
asciilifeform where else! [01:36]
mircea_popescu who did you think was prescribing all the ritalin, obgyns ? [01:38]
asciilifeform l0l [01:38]
asciilifeform for some reason i imagined that it were done by field medics in schools or the like. [01:39]
mircea_popescu yet another reason i don't feel inclined to procreate : i don't actually know of a group for whose sake i'd be willing to lie to eventual daughters. [01:39]
asciilifeform see april (c3!) thread, incidentally. [01:40]
ben_vulpes that's the sweetest thing i've ever seen from you, mircea_popescu [01:41]
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mircea_popescu ha. [01:53]
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gabrielradio mircea_popescu, i find your stance on procreating intriguing. i'm curious, would you be inclined to say have biological kids, but not raise them yourself? [01:58]
mircea_popescu notrly [01:58]
mircea_popescu i wouldn't raise them myself anyway, what do they have mothers for ? [01:59]
gabrielradio exactly my thoughts [01:59]
gabrielradio so i for one don't find that many drawbacks to parenthood [01:59]
gabrielradio probably because i am not one yet, who knows [02:00]
mircea_popescu how about "i don't feel like wasting any of the women i can stand enough to fuck on this fool's errand" ? [02:00]
gabrielradio any? not even one, for the sake of it? [02:02]
mircea_popescu the sake of what ? [02:03]
gabrielradio spreading the genes [02:03]
gabrielradio just curious. i'm on the other end of the spectrum, i would like to have as many kids as possible, and ideally be involved as little as possible, maybe in their education or such [02:04]
mircea_popescu what am i, like harlan ellison's noob that fell off the turnip truck ? so excited to be published i forget to pick up the check ? [02:04]
mircea_popescu so move to the bronx. [02:04]
gabrielradio lol [02:05]
mircea_popescu what ? [02:05]
gabrielradio i do see your point, yea [02:06]
mircea_popescu dawg, that's where they play that game. you wanna play that game, gotta go where they play it. [02:06]
gabrielradio i like to think i can mold the chicks into being cool with that wherever [02:07]
mircea_popescu how old are you ? [02:07]
gabrielradio 25 [02:07]
mircea_popescu mkay. [02:08]
gabrielradio i guess i'll translate http://trilema.com/2009/insarcinati-va/ next, maybe i'll get some insight i missed [02:08]
assbot Insarcinati-va! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lfq1Tb ) [02:08]
mircea_popescu trilema.com/in-sprijinul-eugeniei also lulzy. [02:09]
gabrielradio on the list it goes [02:12]
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punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1300961 << I like that mr kragen's blogs were mailing lists [05:37]
assbot Logged on 17-10-2015 03:50:12; asciilifeform: https://web.archive.org/web/20120811013032/http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-tol/2007-September/000871.html << valuables like this, one is lucky to unearth, while 10,000,001 copies of pediwikia litter the net... [05:37]
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gabrielradio http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1300901 << pete_dushenski go right ahead. next on the list are /2011/in-sprijinul-eugeniei/ , /2009/insarcinati-va/ and /2009/ce-ma-intereseaza-pe-mine-intr-un-proiect/ . if you have any one in particular you were looking at, shoot! [06:35]
assbot Logged on 17-10-2015 00:48:53; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300614 << hey nice ! i was looking at this one a few months back as a potential victim for my rom-eng secret sauce machine. i think i might just take this translation as a more than adequate starting point, clean it up, and post it :) [06:35]
gabrielradio !rate pete_dushenski 2 nails stuff on contravex.com [06:37]
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funkenstein_ i would like to have as many kids as possible, and ideally be involved as little as possible <-- perhaps you'd also like to have girlfriends, but never see or fuck them [10:05]
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HeySteve so he wants to be a sperm donor [10:37]
HeySteve http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1756750/ [10:37]
assbot Starbuck (2011) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1VXKpev ) [10:37]
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funkenstein_ ;;ticker [10:45]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 271.99, Best ask: 272.01, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 272.5, 24 hour volume: 36482.69093011, 24 hour low: 258.32, 24 hour high: 272.75, 24 hour vwap: None [10:45]
funkenstein_ i'd like to have a thousand bitcoins, but somebody else to hold and spend them for me [10:47]
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mircea_popescu funkenstein_> <-- perhaps you'd also like to have girlfriends, but never see or fuck them << you don't understand what the internets is for, or what the mobile revolution all about. [11:59]
mircea_popescu go back to florida, gramps. [11:59]
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shinohai ;;later tell funkenstein Yo fam, if you need holding and spending assistants when you hit 1000 BTC I'm your guy. [12:02]
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mircea_popescu deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1VQ7GGP [12:22]
deedbot- Bad URL or network outage. [12:22]
mircea_popescu heh [12:22]
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mircea_popescu deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1VQ7GGP.txt [12:22]
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mircea_popescu cazalla give a sig ^ [12:23]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell bingoboingo deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1VQ7GGP.txt [12:23]
gribble The operation succeeded. [12:23]
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mircea_popescu trinque hey, is there a url to download deedbot's db, i forget ? [12:23]
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mircea_popescu hm [12:27]
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mircea_popescu " you can support associative array lookups, appending to unbounded-size arrays, and the like, as fundamental machine operations." [13:00]
mircea_popescu o.O [13:00]
mircea_popescu check out the anti-c machine [13:00]
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asciilifeform if anyone knows of where (if anywhere) the ubld.it fella put his schematics and firmware, let me know. [13:24]
mircea_popescu http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/10/greys_anatomy_kill_me_now.html << in which we find ballas is not only amusingly sophomoric when it comes to finance&investment, but also animated by a rather hick sexual philosophy. down to the very typical "i'm not a raceyst but dem niggars!" formulation, even. [13:25]
assbot The Last Psychiatrist: This Week On Grey's Anatomy The Preposterous Happens ... ( http://bit.ly/1kdoMer ) [13:25]
mircea_popescu one day im going to understand how stupidity in very smart people works. [13:25]
asciilifeform https://github.com/ubldit << apparently not here. [13:25]
assbot ubldit (Ubld Electronics) · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1kdoRia ) [13:25]
pete_dushenski obligatory : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=14-10-2015#1299094 [13:26]
assbot Logged on 14-10-2015 23:45:19; mircea_popescu: tis a problem. [13:26]
pete_dushenski also : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1299092 [13:26]
assbot Logged on 14-10-2015 23:45:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1299071 << more like smart people do stupid shit all the time and often enough it happens that you're impressed with something someone does only to discover they "did it" by pure coincidence later on. [13:26]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1301140 << kogge had an entire encyclopaedic work on the subject, with dozens of examples from 1980s-90s >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-03-2015#1063060 [13:28]
assbot Logged on 17-10-2015 16:00:29; mircea_popescu: check out the anti-c machine [13:28]
assbot Logged on 21-03-2015 23:05:08; assbot: The Architecture of Symbolic Computers - Peter M. Kogge - Google Boeken ... ( http://bit.ly/1HiVST5 ) [13:28]
asciilifeform all of them - actual, physical machines, which were produced [13:28]
mircea_popescu pretty impressive. [13:29]
asciilifeform but of course 'golden toilet' as none would run msdos, be produced with the latest however-nanometre mosfets, etc, etc. [13:29]
mircea_popescu vaguely related : http://fashion-incubator.com/so-i-bought-a-sewing-factory/ [13:33]
assbot So I bought a sewing factory | Fashion-Incubator ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kghg7F ) [13:33]
mircea_popescu "So I bought a sewing factory makes a good title but the truther is that I bought a near perfectly sized industrial building and remodeled it to become a sewing factory." [13:33]
mircea_popescu vaguely interesting altogetgher, that blog. [13:34]
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trinque deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1VQ7GGP.txt [13:37]
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trinque wtf? [13:37]
asciilifeform and it lost cloak ? [13:38]
pete_dushenski "3. On October 16th, 2014 cazalla notified the board of his intention to take a vacation. " << it's 2015 [13:39]
asciilifeform eagle eye. [13:39]
pete_dushenski "Given today, October 17th, in the capital city of our beloved Republic." << why no year ? [13:39]
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trinque deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1VQ7GGP.txt [13:39]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LV4e6U ) [13:39]
trinque it's hanging somewhere. [13:39]
mircea_popescu cuz i've not yet come up with a year scheme [13:39]
asciilifeform but you did! trompi ! [13:40]
trinque I'll fiddle with this in private a bit and let ya know when it goes through. [13:40]
mircea_popescu cool trinque. also, the backup ? [13:40]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: sure you have, it's right there in the contract: 2014 is the only year that ever was. [13:40]
mircea_popescu yeah, well... [13:40]
trinque mircea_popescu: sure; easy cron job. I'll provide a URL for that [13:40]
mircea_popescu here's what i was thinking trinque : how much complexity would it add if the download was of the format [13:41]
mircea_popescu deedbot.com/backup/KEYFINGERPRINT [13:41]
trinque very little [13:41]
mircea_popescu and it delivered a blob consisting of all matter signed by that fingerprint, encrypted to that fingerprint [13:41]
trinque ah cool. yeah that can be done [13:41]
mircea_popescu seems to me the way to go. [13:42]
trinque sqlite backs it all, just queries and loops and a call out to gpg [13:42]
mircea_popescu nice design then. [13:42]
punkman yeah but you'd want that in whole bundle parts, so you can verify it [13:42]
mircea_popescu yes, you would. [13:42]
mircea_popescu no cutting anything [13:42]
mircea_popescu (this is turning more and more into the only legitimately useful implementation of "blockchyain technology" known to date) [13:43]
trinque punkman: how do you mean? bundles are currently multiple fingerprints [13:44]
trinque so if I then pulled by fingerprint and dumped them out, would not have anything a spend referred to [13:44]
trinque potentially it would but not as a rule [13:44]
mircea_popescu trinque pull out the whole bundle with a fingerprint in it, not just the deed [13:45]
asciilifeform 'Cybersecurity con artists are as bad by deluding their visitors and customers about how to protect themselves with encryption, Tor, anonymization, OTR, secret chats, deep web, blah, blah. All these con artists gin their own logs of trusting-users data, then either hand it over to authorities, sell it covertly, share with cohorts and standards orgs, write papers and give speeches soliciting customers, testify in Congress and c [13:45]
asciilifeform ourts, inform grand juries, cut plea bargains, brag about resisting NSLs, set up warrant canaries, share tips with donors and investors, yadda, yadda, do donate generously, but best, generate taxable income,tax write-offs, never-ending war, paranoia and FUD.' << from the obvious. lulzy. [13:45]
trinque mircea_popescu: that means your backup gets the other guy's stuff too, right? [13:45]
asciilifeform (guess the author) [13:45]
mircea_popescu trinque well, yes, some. if you shared a bundle. [13:45]
trinque "if I was a part of this bundle, my backup has the whole bundle" ? [13:45]
mircea_popescu see, it creates a procedural layer of memory [13:45]
trinque cool, just clarifying it [13:45]
mircea_popescu dja understand how this models out or should i go into it ? [13:46]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform unobvious. who ? [13:47]
trinque I understand why the unit to work with here is the verifiable one. is there something more to it? [13:47]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: john young (cryptome) [13:47]
trinque you would lose the time aspect without the whole bundles [13:47]
asciilifeform turns out, he ~is~ capable of making sense. on occasion. [13:47]
mircea_popescu trinque yes. imagine there's a millenium worth of deedbot, in the library of republixandria ; and imagine this is burned. now, we aim to reconstruct it. [13:47]
mircea_popescu some people who wrote deeds are dead. some are not. some LINES of deed writing exist ; some are dead. [13:48]
mircea_popescu what shall be remembered of the thousand year archive is exactly what should be remembered : that which touched something that still interests. [13:48]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aka mark'n'sweep gc [13:48]
trinque !b 4 [13:48]
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trinque makes perfect sense [13:49]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: one potential difficulty is that we have not yet invented death. (or rather, analogue death does not perfectly correspond to the necessary notion of electrical death - a man can die and his keys end up in the hands of just about any kind of idiot, after this he must be 'killed' again, manually, by some process not yet defined) [13:53]
deedbot- [cascadian hacker] links 2015-10-16 Fri - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/10/17_links-2015-10-16-fri.html [13:55]
asciilifeform also imho there ought to be some provision made for archaeology. defined, for this purpose, as the study of items from which no continuous-unbroken line of interested individuals exists. [13:56]
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pete_dushenski meatspace will executor can 'revoke key' ? [14:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha. [14:06]
mircea_popescu imo undefined death is the correct situation. [14:06]
mircea_popescu what do you know of death anyway ? [14:06]
mircea_popescu as to archeology : find a source. that is the only way archeology works. you must find someone who remembers the history. [14:09]
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mircea_popescu so i spent four dollars for eight ounces of jasmin green tea. [14:15]
mircea_popescu it turns out to be not only the best green tea i ever had, but so fucking great i'm actually drinking some. [14:15]
mircea_popescu ALUMINUM DOESN'T CHIP << yes it does ben_vulpes ; poorly formulated aluminium's major problem is chipping. that's why it wasn't used in airframe fabrication from the get-go. [14:16]
ben_vulpes dude from the pressure of my /wrist/? [14:17]
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punkman mircea_popescu: great flavour for home-made pastries too [14:17]
ben_vulpes yes, crack propagation under vibratory load is a thing, but shouldn't this shit be deforming instead of chipping? [14:18]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes ah, not defending it for a second. [14:18]
mircea_popescu well depends what you alloy it with and how well you do that. [14:18]
mircea_popescu punkman gonna have to try that [14:18]
ben_vulpes if your al is chipping under hand load i'm not really willing to accept that it's aluminum [14:18]
ben_vulpes "look at our super cheap new steel!" [14:19]
mircea_popescu trivially tested, got an ohmeter ? [14:19]
ben_vulpes "but i can see the coke bits floating in it. and it shatters when i hit it with a hammer." [14:19]
mircea_popescu lol [14:19]
ben_vulpes "in aggregate though, the chemistry's totally right!" [14:19]
mircea_popescu sounds about right [14:19]
mircea_popescu the only thing is that "aluminum" is not like steel, it's like iron. ie, an element. [14:20]
ben_vulpes is the ceramic-puffed "gold" in the "watch" gold? [14:21]
mircea_popescu duralumin, which is its first serious application, and what those large cow milk receptacles were made out of, in the 1920s pictures of farmers throwing milk away [14:21]
mircea_popescu is really al-cu [14:21]
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ben_vulpes short walk? or did the walk end in a shart? [14:21]
mircea_popescu "age hardening" is the magic property [14:21]
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mircea_popescu "all of their tools live in the Web, that bloated, miserable heap of accidentally co-executing text-as-sort-of-program." [14:24]
mircea_popescu ha! [14:24]
mircea_popescu "The Monte-Carlo approach to engineering, if you will, but with humans doing a really bad job of playing RNG." << how mp's view of VC world sounds, without any of the bile. [14:26]
ben_vulpes the "web tekmologys" assemblage is approaching the complexity of protein engineering, and the only thing that can be done is shake your problem space really hard until usable building blocks fall out. [14:27]
ben_vulpes rinse, repeat. [14:28]
mircea_popescu alternatively it can also be ignored altogether. [14:28]
ben_vulpes sure, just like the railways could. [14:28]
mircea_popescu there is a very fundamental difference between constructed complexity ("web technology", astrology, political science etc) and actual complexity (protein folding, moving bodies in grav fields, etc) [14:28]
mircea_popescu the difference is that if you ignore the former you get paid, and if you ignore the latter you get hit in the head. [14:29]
mircea_popescu "TYRANNY IS A PREREQUISITE FOR QUALITY, APPLE RETCONNERS." << holy shit this may even actually be defensible. [14:30]
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mircea_popescu But more importantly, forensic brain scans represent the worst kind of classism. They say, essentially, that because your brain looks very similar to other brains, then you belong in that class; and you take on their other qualities. They may be appropriate for scientific investigations-- as early clues directing further research, "hey, this is interesting, let's look over here from now on"-- but they have no place i [14:37]
mircea_popescu n the justice system. I'd argue any association studies have no place in court, especially when they are read backwards ("because he has this, he is this.") [14:37]
mircea_popescu quite exactly. it's not okay to say "this man is black, therefore he's guilty, because that's the nature of people that are black" [14:37]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, the argument is almost always presented as "the glucose consumption picture in this guy's brain looks like THESE splotches of blue/yellow/whatever, therefore he's so-and-so like these other guys whose pictures look similar". [14:38]
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mircea_popescu stupidity, not racism, is the problem of america. [14:38]
mircea_popescu trying to package and sell stupidity as racism is mostly a symptom of that same problem. [14:39]
mircea_popescu http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/11/do_we_want_neuroimaging_in_cou.html for ref [14:39]
assbot The Last Psychiatrist: Do We Want Neuroimaging In Court? ... ( http://bit.ly/1LgHjiZ ) [14:39]
mircea_popescu "Do you want to live in a world where the criminality of an act-- the culpability of a person-- is based essentially on the moral ADHD of a bunch of doctors with third hand understanding of MRI results? Strike that-- on a very select bunch of doctors who purport to speak for these other doctors, who claim to have the greatest grasp of the science, and who claim in complete and absolute seriousness to have the best un [14:41]
mircea_popescu derstanding of the ethical progressivism of society-- better than lawyers or engineers or teachers or priests or anyone else-- ethics which they admit are constantly evolving-- but have thankfully, magically, and conveniently reached their culmination with today. The end of history. 4000 years of ethics, useless; they got it all right with a grant from the NIH and a subscription to The New Yorker." [14:41]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296401 << see also. [14:41]
assbot Logged on 11-10-2015 20:06:41; asciilifeform: folks familiar with usg 'scientocracy' will laugh, but the fact is, the mind-reading box does not necessarily have to... work. to be put in use. [14:41]
mircea_popescu quite. [14:41]
mircea_popescu also, my nirvana inducing anal pole doesn't have to work [14:42]
mircea_popescu to be put into use. [14:42]
asciilifeform the point i was trying to make then, as now, is that mri - like fingerprints - is a confession-inducer and evidence-planter apparatus, let's say 'guiltwashing', rather than necessarily a fact-finder. [14:42]
mircea_popescu just like my anal nirvana pole. [14:43]
asciilifeform before fingerprints, it was 'trial by ordeal' [14:43]
asciilifeform same idea. [14:43]
mircea_popescu dude, before everything it was "mom leaves, and kiddie follows". [14:43]
mircea_popescu behaviour manifest in herbivores ffs. [14:44]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2014#883658 << and. [14:44]
assbot Logged on 19-10-2014 18:31:23; asciilifeform: chetty: the whole purpose of 'biometric' crap is to administratively fix the designated chump as the permanently-designated chump. [14:44]
asciilifeform how do the herbivores play into it ? [14:44]
mircea_popescu ansd you know, the universal supreme goat council (USG) had a secret conspiracy to import wolves into the forest, to keep the baby goat herding behaviour going [14:44]
mircea_popescu i read it on goat-and-me.com [14:45]
asciilifeform l0l [14:45]
mircea_popescu does the jump make sense or should i drop some pontoons ? [14:45]
asciilifeform it does. [14:45]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu's usual (and factual) inversion of the ru orthodox dictum 'the salvation of the drowning is work for the hands of the selfsame drowning' [14:45]
mircea_popescu or something [14:46]
asciilifeform becomes 'the perdition of the drowning is work of the hands of the selfsame drowning' [14:46]
asciilifeform or the like. [14:46]
mircea_popescu tbh i think the inverse is a stronger statement. [14:46]
mircea_popescu which is rare for negatives. [14:46]
mircea_popescu (the reason is that mine's really the affirmative - the dictum masquerades a negative as a pop-positive, is all) [14:47]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: even greats had to write horoscopes to justify telescopes [14:49]
mircea_popescu did not. [14:49]
mircea_popescu who's your idea, copernicus ? [14:49]
mircea_popescu "even lord tolstoy had to write shakespeare teardowns to justify the great russian novel!" [14:50]
ben_vulpes copernicus, yes. [14:50]
mircea_popescu what's the horoscope ? [14:51]
trinque damn
to hell
[14:51]
ben_vulpes but i am an orc, ignorant history and might be picking the wrong feller. [14:51]
trinque deedbot- fixed [14:51]
trinque I have put that doc back through. [14:51]
asciilifeform re: neuroimaging machines in court: their introduction will follow (is following...) the same 'frog-boiling' algo as that of 'dna evidence' - initially it is 'you wouldn't deny this innocent man his exoneration!1111' followed by 'must find the real killer' followed by 'sir you are under arrest, kindly put your thumb here and here and then lie down in this machine for your routine brainprint' [14:52]
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asciilifeform and mircea_popescu will not hesitate to remind the victim that it is his own fault for not having been born in afghan and fucked sufficiently many goats to innoculate him against herbivoricity [14:54]
ben_vulpes galileo perhaps? [14:54]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes but if ignorant why pick at all. do you also run in the dark ? [14:54]
ben_vulpes *misremembering* [14:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you are not promised at birth a "good" life. [14:54]
asciilifeform or even honourable death, aha. [14:55]
mircea_popescu you are promised at birth a life on your own terms, or to the breaking of your bones, whichever comes first. [14:55]
mircea_popescu this is a fair situation. [14:55]
ben_vulpes the higher level point is that normal schmucks like me must suck cock. [14:55]
ben_vulpes to even eat. [14:55]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: not even. implicit in this hypothesis is some kind of bargain - that there will be eating. [14:55]
mircea_popescu there's no promise of food. [14:56]
asciilifeform naturally not. [14:56]
mod6 wtf? sorry about this line: log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299790 I must have accidentially pasted it. :/ [14:56]
ben_vulpes necessary, but not sufficient. [14:56]
asciilifeform there is only the cage, and the cock. [14:56]
ben_vulpes mod6: i thought it was a sneaky release [14:57]
ben_vulpes "look guise, mine's using libressl" [14:57]
mod6 haha. just checked the log and was like "what in the heck?!" [14:57]
asciilifeform mod6: i assumed it was a stray paste, aha [14:57]
mod6 "when did i say /that/?!" [14:57]
mircea_popescu i assumed same. [14:57]
mod6 thanks guise :] [14:57]
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mod6 oh yeah, i see now, those three things are in a line of my ls output in one of my term windows. [14:58]
mod6 this weekend was going to take a long road trip.... my buddy pussed out in Des Moines so we stopped at a hole in the wall stripclub then proceeded to drive directly back. [15:00]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: you were probably thinking of kepler [15:00]
mircea_popescu pics on yoru blog ? [15:00]
asciilifeform (re: horoscopes) [15:00]
mircea_popescu kepler ?! [15:00]
mod6 long drive. girls were pretty hot tho. [15:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha. had a day job. [15:00]
mircea_popescu speaking of which, http://33.media.tumblr.com/46c8b6337ac501643319497e37497871/tumblr_nkcmlqypgA1tmnngto1_400.gif [15:00]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1kdGcaN ) [15:00]
asciilifeform http://www.nytimes.com/1999/03/09/science/400-year-old-horoscope-shows-kepler-s-sideline.html [15:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform guy was tycho brache's cock puppet, what. [15:01]
assbot 400-Year-Old Horoscope Shows Kepler's Sideline - NYTimes.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1kdGdeW ) [15:01]
mircea_popescu that ? [15:01]
mircea_popescu oh dude... am i going to hear cca 2500 that i had a sideline in "poetry writing" ? [15:01]
asciilifeform prolly. [15:01]
mod6 there was a tall blond with a nice rack-of-lamb that was just for you Mr. P. You would have liked her I think. :] [15:01]
mircea_popescu haha [15:02]
mircea_popescu didja tell her that ? [15:02]
mod6 naw. didn't say much to her. just let her dance on me. [15:03]
mod6 she was about.. 6'2", 6'3", maybe taller in 5 inch heels. [15:03]
mod6 nice rack, nice proportions. [15:03]
mod6 lol, I had to look up at her. [15:04]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: 'This working stiff is required to use all sorts of radioactive waste in the pursuit of his daily work. HTML, CSS, JS…functional programming languages that incomprehensibly compile from one AST to another in a vain attempt to keep my mind safe from the radiation of the underlying…' << could be worse. you could do all of this and also be poor. [15:04]
mircea_popescu pretty impressive. [15:04]
mod6 This other girl with the hula-hoops had me mezmorized. :D [15:04]
mod6 Shorter brunette girl. Yow! [15:05]
mircea_popescu for hall in the wall this sounds actually far above buenos aires' best and brightest. [15:05]
mircea_popescu i've yet to find a strip joint that's not really a kindergarten of the retarded. [15:05]
mod6 The reviews on google for this place was HORRIBLE, but we were like "fuck it". [15:05]
mod6 And for a hole-in-the-wall, it actually had 4 pretty hot strippers. [15:05]
asciilifeform mod6: phun phakt: google has reviews for, e.g.: nsa campus. federal prisons. 'a+++, would rot again!' etc. [15:06]
mircea_popescu so it was more like a hole in the mall ? [15:06]
mod6 So yeah, the reviews were pretty much bullshit -- at least for that night. [15:06]
mod6 Ahah. You know.. it was funny how this place was zoned... there was a Library with a childrens place across the street. few other bars. Post office. [15:07]
mircea_popescu maybe the managers were like "hey, b-a luminary and trb maintainer mod seeks is coming over, EVERYONE ON ATTENTION!!1. Joe, call your wife, I know we said we'd never put her on but man... THIS IS TMSR!" [15:07]
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mod6 In minneapolis they'd have never let them put that in the same neighborhood. So Iowa is a bit cooler? Still shocked by this. [15:07]
mod6 mp: lol [15:07]
mircea_popescu maybe the kid place has a pole ? [15:07]
mod6 lol, we didn't see one, just a lot of books that probably never get read. [15:08]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i certainly am not rich yet. [15:08]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform just because he's richer than you doesn't automatically make him not poor you know :D [15:08]
asciilifeform l0l mircea_popescu is expert on everything in creation, even gradations of shitpoverty ?! [15:09]
mircea_popescu im just arguing for the sake of argument! [15:09]
mircea_popescu i wonder how come they make sake argument and not say wine argument, or rum argument. [15:09]
mircea_popescu i'd try some rum argument. [15:09]
asciilifeform goes great with tobacco 'parliament' [15:10]
mircea_popescu aha [15:10]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: 'Moreover, have you watched their software and hardware quality degrade phenomenally over the past decade? I certainly have. All of the old laptops, selections from the eMac and iMac line are total design and fabrication winners—solid and reliable. My ENTIRELY RECENT "Macbook Pro" is rotting as I watch...' << eh, it was not 'solid until jobs died.' but rather reached a short-lived peak in 2010 or so. have you alr [15:11]
asciilifeform eady forgotten the abominable g4 tin cans!? [15:11]
asciilifeform http://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Apple-PowerBook-G4-12-inch_2.jpg << them. [15:12]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1kdHToA ) [15:12]
asciilifeform three hour or so disassembly [15:12]
asciilifeform and it will never look virginal. [15:12]
asciilifeform and did it rot! [15:12]
asciilifeform mine had nasty splinters in the plastic rim, right where the right hand wrist went. [15:13]
asciilifeform betcha these were carefully stress-tested to splinter. [15:13]
mircea_popescu you people and your laptops. [15:13]
mircea_popescu just... why! [15:13]
asciilifeform (how else to keep schmucks buying!) [15:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: because the mines of moria. [15:13]
mircea_popescu i own like 3 of the things, i used them for maybe five hours total the past year. [15:14]
asciilifeform easy, if all you use it for is to key in launch codes! [15:14]
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mircea_popescu hey, mines of moria you said ? [15:14]
asciilifeform aha [15:14]
asciilifeform the halls of dwarven toil. [15:14]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: useful for hauling around the office, showing stuff in meetings etc. [15:14]
asciilifeform that uranium won't mine itself, no. [15:14]
PeterL I still use my 2007 MacBook as my only puter [15:14]
ben_vulpes someday i'll offload all this onto staff. [15:15]
mircea_popescu it occurs to me i have in this selfsame year never showed anyone anything. [15:15]
mod6 ben_vulpes: yeah, i couldn't imagine trying to do the same with a tablet or something. but i like the desktops that I have at home for stuff too. [15:15]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: there was that eulora demo for which you had a whole computer set up. [15:15]
asciilifeform aha^ [15:15]
mod6 i just need to get a fantastic display array like asciilifeform [15:15]
mircea_popescu i'm playing it. but it's a desktop [15:15]
asciilifeform i recall, mircea_popescu's 'laptop', a skeleton with a handle! [15:15]
mircea_popescu i'm playing it as we speak, making congressional pulp. [15:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no srsly, it's a box right here. [15:16]
asciilifeform mod6: these days i scarcely get to sit in front of it for 2-3 hrs /wk [15:16]
mod6 i just pulled down the new version of eulora btw. about to try to build it... [15:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes, i recall the box. [15:16]
mircea_popescu o yeah mod6 more miners are sorely needed! [15:16]
mircea_popescu incidentally, you have any mollusc stashed away ? [15:17]
mod6 i gotta learn how to use Foxy's bot! [15:17]
mod6 i like manual mining though... in a way, it's just some time for me to do some clicking and thinking about other things. [15:17]
mircea_popescu it's ten minutes to set up and ten minutes of use to make itself indispensable. the chick can code, i don't remember a tool becoming THIS FUCKING NEEDED in recent times. [15:17]
mircea_popescu mod6 chetty stick mining is still mostly manual. [15:18]
mircea_popescu i did a bunch myself, like 100 or so sticks. [15:18]
mod6 wow yeah, think i read that. lol, I've used 2 of 'em. [15:18]
mircea_popescu we've come a long way, a lot richer now. [15:18]
mod6 it's how I found a whole 'nother patch of Elusive Snails. [15:18]
mircea_popescu o did you see the maps btw ? [15:19]
mod6 I saw there is some structures in the pictures, gotta check that out. [15:19]
mod6 I saw a mining map that seemed to be autogenerated by the bot?! Looked fantastic. [15:19]
mod6 If that's what you mean, yeah. [15:19]
mircea_popescu yup. exactly that. [15:19]
mircea_popescu you don't even have to boither with anything, keeps its own logs, they get awked and gnuplot. [15:19]
mod6 that is really sweet. [15:19]
mod6 Sure beats what I was doing. [15:20]
mod6 lol [15:20]
mircea_popescu certainly it is going the right direction. [15:20]
trinque mircea_popescu: http://deedbot.org/bundle-379334.txt [15:20]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1kdJ6wd ) [15:20]
mircea_popescu actual community maintained game client ius such a fucking all-obliterating win... [15:20]
mircea_popescu the only example i can think of would be "consumer designed laptop". you go in the shop with the definition files and they fedex you the item later that week [15:21]
mircea_popescu and "i want one like joe has" is a perfectly valid definition file. [15:21]
asciilifeform 'use desktops' is the ultimate 'let them eat cake'. [15:22]
asciilifeform [insert 'living is not for the poor! be thankful king leopold has not yet cut off your hands!' thread here] [15:24]
mod6 pre-september desktops for the win [15:25]
mircea_popescu kgk [15:25]
mircea_popescu it is ?! [15:25]
asciilifeform yes, it is. the example i am sitting on right now weights perhaps half a tonne, occupies most of a small room... [15:26]
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asciilifeform (if you add up all of the necessary bits) [15:26]
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asciilifeform it is also made largely of what may as well be unobtainium [15:28]
mircea_popescu yes well, the eulora box is maybe 30lbs, and it's made of common materials. [15:29]
mircea_popescu how the fuck did you get a laptop that supplants a half ton desktop ? [15:29]
asciilifeform nono [15:29]
asciilifeform desktop. [15:29]
asciilifeform and the laptop does not supplant it, no. [15:30]
asciilifeform functions largely as a remote terminal for it. [15:30]
ben_vulpes that's really what I want. [15:31]
ben_vulpes damn latency, though. [15:31]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: iirc mac no longer even ships with x11 ! [15:31]
* ben_vulpes raises an eyebrow [15:31]
asciilifeform but it never really worked correctly there to begin with [15:31]
ben_vulpes i wonder what i'm using in that case [15:31]
ben_vulpes sez 'X11' on the 'tin' [15:32]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: it can still be installed aftermarket [15:32]
* trinque wonders aloud what a half-ton desktop looks like [15:32]
trinque must be counting the desk and room! [15:32]
ben_vulpes a yeah well apple machines don't really come with anything [15:32]
asciilifeform trinque: most of the mass is the lead-acids [15:32]
asciilifeform no, not counting desk. [15:32]
ben_vulpes not even a package manager. [15:32]
trinque batteries? [15:32]
asciilifeform aha [15:32]
trinque cool [15:32]
asciilifeform what's the problem, we count those when weighing a laptop [15:32]
trinque fair point. [15:32]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: any suggestions on time series plotting from cl? [15:35]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: pipe to gnuplot ? [15:35]
asciilifeform or need something fancier [15:35]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: cl-graphviz also works [15:36]
asciilifeform (and cl-dot) [15:36]
ben_vulpes any point to using a cl wrapper/bridge to gnuplot or just pipe out? [15:37]
asciilifeform the wrapper is what you'd end up writing anyway [15:37]
asciilifeform if you feel like doing it as an exercise, do it. if not, use one of the published items. (unlike what is customary in the barbarian world, cl libraries generally... work) [15:38]
ben_vulpes ty! [15:41]
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deedbot- [Trilema] Narcissistic Personality Inventory - http://trilema.com/2015/narcissistic-personality-inventory/ [16:08]
cazalla mircea_popescu, can you revise a copy of the contract with correct date in historical recitals (2015, not 2014) [16:21]
mircea_popescu uh [16:23]
mircea_popescu oh damn. [16:23]
mircea_popescu yeah. listen, just sign the correct version. [16:23]
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cazalla deedbot- http://dpaste.com/2DH3BVM.txt [16:29]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [16:29]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1XbCa0Y ) [16:29]
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asciilifeform 'In the late 1970s we found that on a reasonably sunny day a batch of "windowed" EPROMs exposed to sunlight for a day on a sunny windowsill through glass with the EPROM horizontal would invariably erase reliably. We probably had some idea of how little time it took but it was no so long ago that such fine detail escapes me. Note that the erasing was with light passing through standard window glass (a reasonable UV filter), and [16:33]
asciilifeform the EPROMs were placed flat, so were being irradiated at an angle to the optimum angle. However, this was in New Zealand which has a higher UV level than most other countries. [If you expose unprotected skin to say 2 to 4 hours full sun here in midsummer you can expect extremely severe and painful burns with the possible need for medical treatmemnt.] One hour will often leave you sore and sorry the next day.' [16:33]
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phf ben_vulpes: for something like gnuplot i've discovered that learning all kinds of fancy ways you can output a string with #'format is a lot more useful skill then learning a specific library. short of writing an equivalent of gnuplot command ast you're going to run into impedence mismatch one way or another [17:22]
ben_vulpes thanks phf [17:26]
ben_vulpes i'm dinking around with clnuplot as we speak, already seeing the end of its utility for me. [17:27]
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phf i think canonical example of solving that sort of problems (i.e. generating command language from a higher level lisp solution) comes from cltl2 section on trig functions for complex values, where guy steele for whatever reason decided to include pretty graphs of function behaviors. he also included the program that he used to generate the graphs, by producing .ps from lisp [17:34]
phf http://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node129.html [17:34]
assbot 12.5.3. Branch Cuts, Principal Values, and Boundary Conditions in the Complex Plane ... ( http://bit.ly/1RODX8Z ) [17:34]
phf (the program is at the end and worth the study to grok the meaning of the word "hack" before perl corrupted it) [17:36]
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ben_vulpes ;;later tell funkenstein_ submission came through this time [18:25]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:25]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform that finding is not surprising is it ? [19:09]
mircea_popescu http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/11/the_cia_has_the_same_problem_m.html << if anyone was curious as to HOW blunders to the scale of "hussein has wmds" a decade ago or "assad used wmds" last year happen, and to the whys and wherefore bacalaureat-level educated folk such as obama, rice etc come up with ridiculous nonsense like "putin doesn't understand" or "nobody could have predicted", here is why. [19:18]
assbot The Last Psychiatrist: The CIA Has The Same Problem Medicine Does ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZMsTPa ) [19:18]
mircea_popescu yes the result is directly equivalent with "enemies control the decision process at all points and at all levels". but the cause is much more pedestrian : the innate MISTAKEN belief that "anyone can make a summary". [19:19]
mircea_popescu meanwhile at reality ranch, training a sex fied takes me six weeks, training a perfect soldier takes six months, and training a PASSIBLE intel summarizer takes six years. [19:20]
mircea_popescu but in other news, http://31.media.tumblr.com/16a00e455a901b84d37d76a6943715fc/tumblr_mkvmr00CjZ1s4dm6ao1_r1_500.gif [19:27]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1XbScI2 ) [19:27]
danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1301438 << i need someone with low building rank to use my small mushroom claims; good opportunity for n00bs to get some free experience [19:27]
assbot Logged on 17-10-2015 18:16:21; mod6: i just pulled down the new version of eulora btw. about to try to build it... [19:27]
mod6 i'm workin on it here. i forget my build rank... 70 somethin i think. [19:28]
mircea_popescu you fell way behind yo. [19:29]
mod6 oh im sure. [19:30]
mircea_popescu o btw jurov how's the shaped slag coming ? [19:30]
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mircea_popescu "She can't understand why the ideal isn't the same as the average. So she wants to create reasons why the average is the ideal. " <<< Elizabeth Cashdan, woman in science. [20:43]
mircea_popescu http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/12/is_an_hourglass_figure_the_ide.html [20:43]
assbot The Last Psychiatrist: Is An Hourglass Figure The Ideal? Only If You're Weak And Stupid ... ( http://bit.ly/1RORe1x ) [20:44]
mircea_popescu who the fuck permits these imbeciles to pretend like they're faculty i have no idea. [20:44]
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jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1301172 you never witnessed it yourself? [21:02]
assbot Logged on 17-10-2015 16:25:15; mircea_popescu: one day im going to understand how stupidity in very smart people works. [21:02]
mircea_popescu i also witnessed magnetism. [21:03]
jurov i'd expect you of all people to ruthlessly follow any stupidity to its root, if you found it in yourself [21:06]
mircea_popescu you know, the ancient "sophomore's disease", where young minds encountering the big book of medical semiology for the first time diagnose themselves with everything is not MERELY an amusing story. [21:15]
mircea_popescu it has a much deeper root. the problem with medical education is that your own body constitutes no clinical experience. [21:15]
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mircea_popescu that book is useful to people ~with independent clincal experience~, even if it is read first, before the experience is actually had (on the expecation that it will sturcture the comparatively more expensive process of actual clinical exposure, thus gettiong more bang per buck) [21:16]
mircea_popescu so in this sense, finding shit in yourself is about as valuable as growing tomatoes on your window sill. [21:16]
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mircea_popescu http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/12/what_happens_to_an_action_hero.html << whjahahahaha. [22:15]
assbot The Last Psychiatrist: What Happens To An Action Hero When We Grow Up? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kh47Lp ) [22:15]
mircea_popescu im not about to see the movie, for one thing i never gave much of a shit about eastwood and for the other he certainly went to shit in his later life (what is with this, pacino doing incredibly bad bullshit a la simone and de niro doing the worst infomercial "movies" conceivable ?) [22:16]
mircea_popescu but seriously, the libtards/hipsers actually need " People aren't seeing Eastwood play Walt; they are seeing The Man With No Name now aged 70 and living alone, still clinging to his horse, I mean gun, I mean car. That's the guy they want to see "grow," that's the guy they want to see admit he was wrong. " ? [22:16]
mircea_popescu lol. wussies. you lose. [22:16]
mircea_popescu "This generation, this, The Dumbest Generation Of Narcissists In The History Of The World, they hate heroes-- except dead ones, they're ok, and superheroes are ok too, people with magic or from other planets-- but human heroes are anathemas, they want to tear them down and show them to be regular mortals, flawed-- and the best is if they can catch them being hypocritical, nothing brings an impotent narcissist to orgasm [22:18]
mircea_popescu faster, even faster than cheating wife stories, than detecting hypocrisy in the elites." [22:18]
mircea_popescu aaaite. [22:18]
mircea_popescu "the end which is so obvious and predictable but at the same time the only one that would speak to this generation of narcissists: when we need a hero, heroes are obligated to rise up and serve, but please have the decency to die afterwards so we can go back to second guessing the ethics of your actions. " >> and when "we" need a monkey that knows how to push the levers one has the moral obligation to materialize, prov [22:21]
mircea_popescu ided of course he doesn't expect and in any case doesn't get any actual power over the derps through this. [22:21]
mircea_popescu it's really a nicely coalessced dementia, this post-cold war west. [22:21]
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mircea_popescu What happened? I think the generation raised on action movies felt betrayed. Those movies promised possibilities, promised that when you grow up, your powers will kick in. When you grow up, if bad guys take over a bank, you'll be able to use kung fu on them. It seemed not to have occurred to anyone to learn actual kung fu, or look up how banks are typically laid out, where the alarms are-- just in case. No, these [22:33]
mircea_popescu skills would be uploaded straight by God when needed, sudden and immediate, just as they came to JCVD in Bloodsport. Life is a movie and movies are only 90 minutes long. Not a whole lot of time for training. [22:33]
mircea_popescu Well, the possibilities never came true, so heroes can all go to hell. And God, too, while we're at it, he didn't deliver either. [22:33]
mircea_popescu We got a brief moment of the possibility of 1980s style black and white American might with George Bush after 9/11, when half the country went, "hell yeah, let's go kick some ass!" and the other half went, "wait a second, don't you guys know we suck?" That being the full extent of our national dialogue. You see the results. [22:33]
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mircea_popescu "The Economist, an excellent magazine which offers excellent analysis of complex political and economic questions, yet still manages to be on the wrong side of history every single time" [22:41]
mircea_popescu aha. [22:41]
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trinque mod6: sounds dangerous... here, kid, have this iPad and watch Kung Fu Panda. [23:09]
mod6 haha [23:09]
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asciilifeform http://worldsuperheroregistry.com << linked from mircea_popescu's link. yes, this exists... [23:41]
assbot New Page 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LWDJxJ ) [23:41]
deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] How to suck the cock – a guide for half the oral sex, translated. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/17/how-to-suck-the-cock-a-guide-for-half-the-oral-sex-translated/ [23:41]
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