Forum logs for 17 Jan 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform one for a year, then fifty ?	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	"Likewise, there were only two gasworks in London in 1814, and by 1822, there were seven and by 1829, there were 200 companies."	[00:03]
asciilifeform	i'd like to find out how they handled digging, rights-of-way, and whether they shared what today folks call 'last mile'	[00:04]
asciilifeform	(prolly will have to hit the library at some point...)	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	for which purpose a library awaits.	[00:04]
asciilifeform	aha!	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373716 << actually, living in a perplexing (to non-orcs) symbiotic vendetta balance with enemies is the common thing. << no because jurov knows shit about the noncivilised world having taken wives out of their ranks and such.	[00:05]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 00:14:21; pete_dushenski: jurov: nah, outside of the "civilised world", killing your enemies is pretty common.	[00:05]
asciilifeform	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_manufactured_gas#/media/File:Drawing_the_retorts_at_the_Great_Gas_Establishment_Brick_Lane.png << spiffy pic	[00:06]
assbot	History of manufactured gas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1SVqFdg )	[00:06]
raedah	met someone yesterday who's family migrated from the Montana mountains back in the day because the neighboring families had a habbit of solving disputes by killing eachothers children.	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	could we start with a "who are you" thing ?	[00:12]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373279 << incidentally THERE WAS NO THERMITE!!111 at the motherfucking talk. suit was 'symbolic!11'. i shit thee not.	[00:22]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 21:07:47; mircea_popescu: no thermite present ?	[00:22]
asciilifeform	only films.	[00:22]
asciilifeform	but aside from this, it was ok, fella determined, through laborious trial & error, a recipe for a very reasonable ~thermate~ which cremated usb stick to ashes with 7g of powder.	[00:23]
asciilifeform	and a novel crucible design for this purpose.	[00:23]
asciilifeform	(man-portable)	[00:24]
BingoBoingo	Interesting. Would throw in for that kickstarter if scaled up to 3.5" drive	[00:24]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: like any ~really good~ tech, it needs no kickstarter	[00:24]
asciilifeform	it just needs you and a local construction equipment shop.	[00:25]
BingoBoingo	Of course	[00:25]
BingoBoingo	Hence the irony	[00:25]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373287 << i'd quite enjoy learning what part of that piece mircea_popescu disagreed with	[00:27]
raedah	hello. here i am known as raedah. ive been a dev for joinmarket for the past few months. i like sexual relations with women, resisting invalid authority, educating ignorance, and being in nature.	[00:27]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 21:11:59; mircea_popescu: http://yosefk.com/blog/do-you-really-want-to-be-making-this-much-money-when-youre-50.html << somewhat bizarre take on things.	[00:27]
asciilifeform	raedah: where in nature ?	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the part where he's saying exactly " The power is traded for the fetish of power. That's not capitalism, it is madness, and apparently Davos and Randi think women especially will heart it." except he sounds like he means it.	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	so wait, i shouldn't fucking own things because "they canb bestolen" and instead be a good slave and own my two arms ?	[00:29]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373346 << if you have a box with gcc5, just format the hdd and start over, sanely	[00:29]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 21:50:51; mod6: checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: in `/var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gdb-7.10.1/work/gdb-7.10.1':	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	imbecile with rotating lights.	[00:29]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not ~you~, but ~normal person~	[00:29]
asciilifeform	without dirigible.	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	bullshit.	[00:29]
asciilifeform	i fully expect to be robbed of everything	[00:29]
raedah	asciilifeform, backpacking in US northwest forests is nice. refreshing, lots of streams for water, beautiful changing landscapes to show you different facets of what is possible.	[00:29]
asciilifeform	and to not be able to do a lick to stop it	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	did you just ignorantly substitute an ought for an is or was it actually deliberate ?	[00:31]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372769 >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2014#855658	[00:31]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 18:20:12; mircea_popescu: http://www.secureworks.com/cyber-threat-intelligence/threats/bgp-hijacking-for-cryptocurrency-profit/ << somewhat old but i dun recall it being in the log.	[00:31]
assbot	Logged on 02-10-2014 20:53:10; assbot: BGP Hijacking for Cryptocurrency Profit \| Dell SecureWorks	[00:31]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: wai wut	[00:32]
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mircea_popescu	he is saying that you OUGHT NOT own capital.	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	this is a substantially different statement from your "i expect it won't work".	[00:32]
asciilifeform	he is saying, or so i read, 'if you are a typical small person you are defenseless and will be raped, so have a very small cunt with spikes'	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	not for one second.	[00:32]
asciilifeform	then i must be thick.	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	he is saying what orlov is saying, and what yarvin is saying, and what generally the castrated son of a stupid anglo whore is always fucking saying	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	and im geting well sick of hearing it.	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	whether you personally will or will not be able to defend your capital has no bearing on whether you OUGHT to accumulate capital.	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	zero. nada. zilch.	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	the pretense to the contrary is what fucking created, and what fucking maintains, the miserable situation under which you belabour.	[00:34]
asciilifeform	but is the choice between 'accumulate capital' and 'smoke dope' ? or is it about ~what kind~ of capital	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	or, perhaps more accurately, what feeds the swam in which you wallow.	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	there is NO KINDS OF CAPITAL!!1	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	"is the choice between being a priss or getting laid, or is the choice between what ~kind~ of getting laid ? maybe i'm getting laid with jesus!"	[00:35]
asciilifeform	gonna tell me that a sawmill is the same as knowing-how-to-remove-appendix ?	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	yeah, im sure you're alt-getting laid and christian rock rules.	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	"knowing how to" fill the fucking paperwork and ask for permission.	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	get the fuck outta here.	[00:36]
asciilifeform	but actually kreinin is getting one thing catastrophically wrong, it is entirely possible to get dekulakized ~out of one's profession~	[00:36]
asciilifeform	e.g., both of my parents were.	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	doh.	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	but see... he has the capital of knowing how to... uhhh... oh i know, misrepresent his vices as virtues!	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	such capitool.	[00:37]
asciilifeform	so with this dawning on me, i can't defend the rest of the piece, it sorta blows in pieces in the wind.	[00:37]
asciilifeform	sorta like that skinless chick	[00:38]
asciilifeform	from the cartoon mircea_popescu linked earlier this week	[00:38]
asciilifeform	the one in the skinning machine	[00:38]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373434 << while this is a correct description, i would also like to add that a ~correct~ vtron is also defined as being SPECIFICALLY NOT THIS : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2016#1370325	[00:43]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 22:31:04; mod6: the idea of V is a versioning system based upon patches that include SHA512 hashes of the file before and after the given patch is applied -- and checks the given signatures of the wot entities who have signed off on the patch.	[00:43]
assbot	Logged on 14-01-2016 21:23:18; ascii_butugychag: https://mikegerwitz.com/papers/git-horror-story	[00:43]
asciilifeform	if i can't read it in (max) half hour and say WHAT EACH MOTHERFUCKING LINE DOES it is not a correct implementation !!	[00:44]
asciilifeform	and if i include ALL DEPENDENCIES it should take no more than a day to read.	[00:44]
asciilifeform	(which, of course, would mean that a correct vtron does not presently exist...)	[00:45]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373654 << anybody ever read kornbluth's short story 'marching morons' ?	[00:47]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 23:45:41; jurov: shrug i can understand, the world is overcrowded, it's tempting to dream of putting stupid people "to their place". whether that comes to pass, i doubt.	[00:47]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373684 << iirc putin is giving out phreeeee land there (encumbered with must-build-house and no-sale-for-xx-years conditions, but still)	[00:49]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 23:56:52; pete_dushenski: i honestly have no idea how much autonomy vladivostok has.	[00:49]
BingoBoingo	!s keccak	[00:51]
assbot	3 results for 'keccak' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=keccak	[00:51]
BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-01-2016#1373746	[00:51]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 01:20:08; mircea_popescu: actually i wouldn't go to war over keccak.	[00:51]
BingoBoingo	From mines: https://archive.is/CkspO "On the one hand he has done some good work with BitcoinJ, Lighthouse etc. Certainly his choice of bloom filter has had a net negative effect on the privacy of SPV users"	[00:54]
assbot	The Mike Hearn Show: Season Finale (and Bitcoin Classic: Series Premiere) : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1SVuq2t )	[00:54]
thestringpuller	Isn't BitcoinJ the thing that lame android client used? That thing was buggy as hell and like 15 different distros of android caused the wallet to leak keys.	[00:56]
BingoBoingo	yeah	[00:57]
BingoBoingo	Created by Hearnia	[00:57]
thestringpuller	Hearnia's site is gettin ddosed it looks like.	[00:57]
thestringpuller	Can't even get to home page	[00:57]
thestringpuller	either that or he took it down as part of ragequit	[00:58]
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BingoBoingo	!up jixei	[01:01]
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BingoBoingo	Hello jixei what bring you around these parts?	[01:01]
jixei	Searching for intelligent life. My immediately surrounding company has been disappointing.	[01:02]
ben_vulpes	more new faces?	[01:04]
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ben_vulpes	one of those interesting $50 now or $2500 in three week problems i can solve due to hilariously checkered background	[01:05]
BingoBoingo	jixei: I see, care to give us a little bit of your history?	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	!up jixei	[01:09]
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mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes i thought you were at orifice, at first.	[01:09]
jixei	Not to be rude, but I think I'm just going to lurk. Thank you for your inspiration.	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	lurking's always the higher road.	[01:10]
jixei	I thought being prepared at any moment to stand up for what you believe in was the higher road. But the impasses have been many.	[01:13]
BingoBoingo	jixei: Rude is often welcome here. But lurking is fine too.	[01:13]
mod6	<+asciilifeform> if i can't read it in (max) half hour and say WHAT EACH MOTHERFUCKING LINE DOES it is not a correct implementation !! << any ideas on a correct implementation?	[01:15]
mod6	or suggested lang?	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	jixei well no, that's the narrower road.	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	many roads!	[01:16]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2067 @#64; 0.0005235 = 1.0821 BTC [+]	[01:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @#64; 0.00052391 = 3.9031 BTC [+] {2}	[01:26]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all --currency rmb	[01:28]
gribble	BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2547.2, vol: 98294.14320000 \| Volume-weighted last average: 2547.2	[01:28]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[01:28]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 382.54, vol: 23634.15493557 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 382.851, vol: 21044.74759 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 385.58, vol: 55879.97188189 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 6.30632189 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 387.879163, vol: 98285.26020000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 385.06, vol: 496.21416148 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 401.692543989, vol: 185.97494102 \| Volume-weighted last (1 more message)	[01:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2008 @#64; 0.00052493 = 1.0541 BTC [+] {3}	[01:31]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[01:32]
gribble	average: 386.077839035	[01:32]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @#64; 0.00052605 = 2.3672 BTC [+] {4}	[01:39]
BingoBoingo	!up jixei	[01:40]
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pete_dushenski	this peanut butter chocolate cheesecake is a bit disappointing. icing is too sweet and it's not "cheezy" enough. more like an ultra-rich, ultra-dense, slightly creamier cake than you'd otherwise expect. the most impressive thing about this cake was the sheer mass. the box must've been 20 lbs for a 10"er.	[01:45]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373766 << unreliable and then tbtf. no fucking components supplier should be that goddam big	[01:46]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 01:37:01; mircea_popescu: they're as unreliable as they fucking get.	[01:46]
pete_dushenski	and yet, here we are.	[01:47]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373776 << sounds perfectly reasonable.	[01:47]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 01:42:12; mircea_popescu: so you got a 4x improvement in qualityt of life for the slaves&servants in question out of the very simple measure of halving the costs and doubling the quality ; and at the expense that julie nobody doesn't get to pretend on reddit and gates doesn't get to pretend in washpo anymore.	[01:47]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373790 << that's a point. i'm not actually sure wtf i was thinking	[01:48]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 01:48:28; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373655 << the thing here is that the age of unreliability is today, not 1700. as alf pointed out at some point - you couldn't sell ANY of your consumer junk you buy today to people living then. not your shitty shoes, not your shitty anything.	[01:48]
pete_dushenski	!s nothing works	[01:48]
assbot	60 results for 'nothing works' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nothing+works	[01:48]
danielpbarron	yes	[01:49]
danielpbarron	yes	[01:49]
danielpbarron	whoops, macro gone awry there heh	[01:50]
BingoBoingo	https://i.sli.mg/wuPNsW.png	[01:51]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JRPbtN )	[01:51]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373819 <---> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1131044	[01:51]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 02:08:18; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373505 << l0lwut	[01:51]
assbot	Logged on 13-05-2015 22:13:18; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: and what other player will catch up with this, do you suppose, and how ?	[01:51]
pete_dushenski	perhaps i read too much into that question, but the idea that one would need to specifically name future miners and their means and methods seemed (and seems) a bit silly to me. they, whoever they are, will find a way, because how not ?	[01:54]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373825 << aha. so do i. one of the few pieces of useful relic software i have kicking about.	[01:54]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 02:09:32; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373514 << i have a box right here	[01:54]
mod6	asciilifeform: hey, for a long time now I've been searching for the fix you provided to vdiff for debian/ubuntu; for some reason it barfs saying that there is an unmatched quote or something.	[01:55]
mod6	thanks in advance	[01:55]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373837 << i guess i'm thinking more into the 30s then, and along the lines of the Sikorsky S-42, eg. http://cruiselinehistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/PanAm_S40B_Sikorsky.jpeg	[01:56]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 02:11:52; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373550 << mno, they were cardboard and in many cases cost less than the cars of the time	[01:56]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JRPnt9 )	[01:56]
pete_dushenski	these were evidently a first-class mode of transport, substantially more expensive to own and operate than a car, and not, to my eye, made of cardboard (though planes a decade earlier were, by and large)	[01:57]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373841 << indeed. and we're imagining a world where cars ~at present~ function as airplanes ~once did~, merely to demonstrate the existence and advantages of specific types of economic organisation.	[02:01]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 02:12:24; asciilifeform: today one is not permitted to fly so much as a mile without filling out forms in triplicate	[02:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @#64; 0.00052633 = 1.3421 BTC [+]	[02:01]
pete_dushenski	no one's claiming that flying and driving and living and breathing under usg don't blow dead bears.	[02:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @#64; 0.00052837 = 1.3209 BTC [+] {2}	[02:02]
BingoBoingo	Speaking of Ferrari from the mines: "For once, Christian Bale exits a body-changing role because it’d be too hard on his health/body http://bit.ly/1J7BKWA "	[02:03]
assbot	Christian Bale Exits Michael Mann’s ‘Enzo Ferrari,’ Balks At Weight Gain \| Deadline ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRPEMJ )	[02:03]
ben_vulpes	> plum role	[02:04]
BingoBoingo	https://i.sli.mg/mlH8jj.jpg	[02:04]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JRPIfo )	[02:04]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373850 << ha. the only disingenuous comparison is between your experience with cars and roads and what's actually required for '15k' world. so 15k people drive international cxt's across the broken remnants of the americas. what of it ? YOU DON'T NEED INTERSTATES. wanna travel farther ? fly. or move.	[02:04]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 02:14:04; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373557 << disingenuous comparison, airplane needs no infrastructure other than 2 runways (and, if seaplane or heli, not them either)	[02:04]
pete_dushenski	https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2Lin1PyZ4jU/hqdefault.jpg << what part of this picture is begging for "infrastructure" ?	[02:06]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JRPRiX )	[02:06]
BingoBoingo	Not International cxt. International harvester scout.	[02:06]
pete_dushenski	^or that	[02:06]
BingoBoingo	harvester scout for surfaces more hostile than the roads they were	[02:07]
ben_vulpes	!rate punindented -1 unwelcome here	[02:09]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/c146a772e789a4bb	[02:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2984 @#64; 0.00052865 = 1.5775 BTC [+] {2}	[02:09]
ben_vulpes	!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.punindented.-1:fdd8264a25a95bfb8946055ada53326a3a54a99c6cf8594b6f5effcaae04d145	[02:10]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of -1 for punindented with note: unwelcome here	[02:10]
ben_vulpes	punindented: you may continue this conversation here	[02:10]
ben_vulpes	!up punindented	[02:10]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373858 << high-end coach then. no difference. and neither ferrari building nor coach building requires or required "the skills" of "the people". such nonsense.	[02:11]
ben_vulpes	so that's one of the four new faces	[02:11]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 02:15:31; asciilifeform: there was no ferrari in 1850.	[02:11]
ben_vulpes	how quickly do the rest of you feel like burning your identities?	[02:12]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373865 << also garbage. ferrari "needs" led lights like it needs a hybrid engine. wtf.	[02:12]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 02:17:49; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373590 << the led in that turn signal is same as in a toyota.	[02:12]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: RE: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-11-2015#1325573 << Employer matches 401k up to ~6% of annual income pre-tax. The 401k program allows you to tke a 401k loan and pay yourself back. Best case scenario you pay the fiat back over X period (as long as you don't leave the job), or somehow there is some huge collapse and you just never pay it back.	[02:12]
thestringpuller	Worst case scenario*	[02:12]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: So what was so irritating it had to happen in a pm conversation?	[02:12]
ben_vulpes	BingoBoingo: 'twas so banal as to be entirely unremarkable	[02:14]
ben_vulpes	should punindented come back, it must be on his knees.	[02:14]
BingoBoingo	I see	[02:15]
ben_vulpes	i don't extend the robert viragh s of the world nearly so much rope as i did before	[02:15]
ben_vulpes	once i was a child, i extended them as much rope as i thought they'd need to hang themselves	[02:15]
ben_vulpes	but now i am a man and i hang fools by my own hand	[02:16]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373868 << cars were better pre-cpu for a reason you've already pointed out in the (lost) logs, viz. constant firmware crashes and general electrical gremlins living in cars of the last two decades. no cpu in the car anymore ? good riddance. maybe then i'd actually buy a newer model.	[02:16]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 02:18:02; asciilifeform: as is the cpu in engine comp.	[02:16]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: He linked me a dpaste. Solid decision.	[02:16]
ben_vulpes	where'd it cut off?	[02:19]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373871 << except the sultan of brunei (as everyone knows?) has a thing for cars, not computers, and so has had dozens if not hundreds of custom-built automobiles, many of which he never drove and later left to rot in the sun, but that's his prerogative. but no, it didn't all go to glitzy whores.	[02:23]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 02:19:08; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373617 << it is ~possible~ to nanofabricate pentium atom by atom, by hand. will you ever have one ? no. will sultan of brunei have one? also no - he could buy MAXINT whores instead	[02:23]
ben_vulpes	pete_dushenski: they /are/ barbarians.	[02:23]
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ben_vulpes	adherence to the modernist forms notwithstanding.	[02:23]
ben_vulpes	buy cars and not computers. have no representation in the wot.	[02:23]
pete_dushenski	i'm tempted to call that more 'traditionalist'	[02:23]
pete_dushenski	which would've worked fine in any of the last 20 centuries, unfortunately just not this one	[02:23]
pete_dushenski	even then, it'll work to a perfectly adequate extent. i'm not sure anyone will be worse off for brunei's adherence to last century's mores.	[02:23]
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punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373744 isn't scrypt memory-hard?	[11:25]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 01:19:36; mircea_popescu: "@#64;transcats Memory-hard PoW hasn't been invented yet, so we can't implement that.	[11:25]
mircea_popescu	technically. there isn't really a good solution to the problem in my estimation either.	[11:26]
mircea_popescu	i'm not particularly convinced this would solve anything, also.	[11:26]
punkman	memory-hard or not, if you change the PoW you obsolete existing hardware. Problem is TSMC will still have more hardware than you, whatever you decide to use next.	[11:30]
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adlai	fwiw bramc (of bittorrent fame) is working on space-hard PoW which he hasn't yet decided whether to nameclash with PoC (concept vs capacity) or PoS (shit vs space)	[11:49]
adlai	https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-wizards/search/?q=proof+of+storage	[11:50]
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mircea_popescu	;;ud TSMC	[11:56]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TSMC \| ... Serbian · Spanish · Swedish · Thai · Turkish · Ukrainian · Vietnamese · Help translate! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. There aren't any definitions for TSMC yet. Can you define it?	[11:56]
mircea_popescu	remind me, what was this ?	[11:57]
punkman	Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company Limited	[12:06]
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mircea_popescu	ah.	[12:18]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless, stranding the miners is an important reserve power.	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	schmucks better ponder it well before they go running their mouth about "supporting" this or that.	[12:19]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: so Luke-Jr isn't all bad?	[12:53]
mircea_popescu	nobody is ALL bad.	[12:53]
thestringpuller	i never took you for an optimist	[12:54]
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thestringpuller	punkman: direct access to chips (wholesale and PCB fab) cheapens mining by 400%	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	you still shmooing ?	[12:56]
thestringpuller	or at least the initial investment	[12:56]
ascii_shmoocon	reporting live from snorefest!!!1111	[12:56]
thestringpuller	did you got the big data hacking panel?	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	ascii_shmoocon you know the b,tmsr~ emissary makes a report that sounds a lot like the nsa emissary's.	[12:57]
mircea_popescu	"these people'd be a lot more interested if they tried cooking naked."	[12:57]
ascii_shmoocon	aha it was surprisingly nonlame. turns out that opencv is a piece-of-shitte, you can evolve bitmaps that crash it.	[12:58]
ascii_shmoocon	dragonfly.	[12:58]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[12:58]
ascii_shmoocon	lol i think every third bloke in the chairs is nsa emissary	[12:59]
ascii_shmoocon	poor bastards	[12:59]
ascii_shmoocon	and just now there was 'state malware' talk given by a... political 'scientist'	[13:00]
ascii_shmoocon	managed to say absolutely nothing.	[13:01]
mircea_popescu	you're enjoying yourself aren't you.	[13:01]
ascii_shmoocon	the crackpot group theory cipher thing yesterday was lulzy	[13:02]
thestringpuller	ascii_shmoocon: LOL so you can spoof facial recognition based on OpenCV. (Begins to wonder how much facial spookware in airports is based on OpenCV stack).	[13:03]
ascii_shmoocon	and i now have what is quite likely a lifetime supply of keychain	[13:03]
ascii_shmoocon	thestringpull: not spoof - crash	[13:03]
thestringpuller	HAHA! That's even better.	[13:04]
ascii_shmoocon	next up, some woman re: mesh nets	[13:05]
mircea_popescu	as in stockings ?	[13:05]
ascii_shmoocon	the other sort	[13:06]
mircea_popescu	for hair ?!	[13:06]
mircea_popescu	i thought those went out of fashion.	[13:06]
ascii_shmoocon	nm, 'software defined networks ', buzzword hell	[13:07]
thestringpuller	Peter Todd on why soft forks are awesome! >> https://petertodd.org/2016/soft-forks-are-safer-than-hard-forks	[13:07]
thestringpuller	"An interesting non-technical objection is that because nodes and miners who haven’t adopted the soft fork end up in the main chain anyway, this is a case of a majority undemocratically forcing a minority to adopt new policies. Of course, it’s your choice to use a protocol with this feature! Satoshi could have just as easily written Bitcoin to treat unknown block versions as invalid, but choose not too." << Uh huh.	[13:08]
mircea_popescu	"fucking a ten dollar hooker in the cunt is safer than fucking her in the ass".	[13:08]
thestringpuller	Seems like that PoW-change nuke is a good nuke to have.	[13:08]
ascii_shmoocon	who has it though??	[13:09]
ascii_shmoocon	say mp or other decides to nuke. makes own alt? opens fiat exchanges???	[13:10]
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ascii_shmoocon	am i thick?	[13:10]
thestringpuller	nuclear war always has fallout. the flexing of muscles is sometimes enough to get enemy to see reason.	[13:13]
ascii_shmoocon	that's not the issue, but the ~how??~	[13:14]
thestringpuller	i thought ideally it would only fork the miners off the network. thus in ideal world "nothing really changes"	[13:15]
thestringpuller	except for fact all water is irradiated at that point.	[13:15]
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ascii_shmoocon	the other thing is that alt with novel pov is a giftwrapped offering to the fella with the largest stash of ready fpga fabric. which is...	[13:16]
ascii_shmoocon	ft meade	[13:16]
ascii_shmoocon	in other nyoooz, somebody is already... snoring	[13:17]
mircea_popescu	ascii_shmoocon> say mp or other decides to nuke. makes own alt? opens fiat exchanges??? << "we da people"	[13:19]
ascii_shmoocon	I'm genuinely curious, how this'd work	[13:20]
mircea_popescu	so's everyone in the "we wanna capture bitcoin" camp.,	[13:20]
ascii_shmoocon	ftr I despise miners	[13:20]
ascii_shmoocon	their existence is a bug.	[13:21]
ascii_shmoocon	esp. pools.	[13:21]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[13:21]
thestringpuller	ascii_shmoocon: this wouldn't have been a problem if friedcat hadn't spit in MPEx's face.	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	yes it would have been. whatever the fuck happens, problems are permanent part of phenomenology.	[13:23]
ascii_shmoocon	which this	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	ascii_shmoocon that broasca despises racul. si o stiuca.	[13:23]
ascii_shmoocon	that ain't going anywhere anytime	[13:24]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[13:24]
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thestringpuller	a lot of the problem seems to be due to blatant cartelization	[13:26]
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thestringpuller	and the cartel is run as a shady Triad-wannabe type of operation. Insane markups on retail, shitty products, extremely late delivery.	[13:27]
thestringpuller	!up ascii_shmoocon	[13:27]
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thestringpuller	only those in the cartel are "somewhat profitable".	[13:27]
ascii_shmoocon	i said from day 1, it makes no sense to ~sell- miners.	[13:27]
mircea_popescu	depends to whom,.	[13:28]
mircea_popescu	it makes no sense to sell anything useful to the horde of reddidiots.	[13:28]
ascii_shmoocon	certainly not ones that work.	[13:28]
thestringpuller	ascii_shmoocon: i think the problem stretches to issue with building F-15 on own. re: thread on USG cartel of fabrication.	[13:28]
ascii_shmoocon	duds, to avaricious idiots? yes	[13:28]
thestringpuller	instead of USG this time, it's d00ds who weren't good enough to be in the triads.	[13:29]
thestringpuller	ascii_shmoocon: and this is why KNC miner has huge classaction suit outstanding.	[13:29]
ascii_shmoocon	fat lotta good it will do	[13:30]
thestringpuller	none at all, but does serve as proof of the existence of said matter.	[13:30]
ascii_shmoocon	also making jets is trivial compared to ic fab.	[13:32]
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ascii_shmoocon	aaaand mining does not forgive 2nd-best 'z80 is enough for soviet motherland'-ism.	[13:34]
thestringpuller	so lets annex taiwan?	[13:34]
ascii_shmoocon	for so long as somebody can cream you in production chain, he owns you	[13:35]
mircea_popescu	you drastically overvalue the liberty and importance of miners.	[13:35]
ascii_shmoocon	didja invent a means of dispensing with miners? I'm all ears	[13:36]
ascii_shmoocon	i can think of exactly one: an 'mp-hawala', where mo transacts with the other 17 or so olympians, indeed requires no minerz...	[13:45]
ascii_shmoocon	*mp transacts	[13:45]
mircea_popescu	eh it's all there, no invention needed.	[13:46]
jurov	imo if mining can't be avoided, ideal mining algorithm would be one that changes often, unpredictably and substantially	[13:46]
ascii_shmoocon	and I admit that I wondered since showing up, for what does he need btc, can hawala all day	[13:47]
mircea_popescu	jurov think about it : IF that were the case, then alf's fears about "whoever owns the production owns you" would be grounded.	[13:47]
jurov	if what were the case?	[13:48]
mircea_popescu	ascii_shmoocon you know it's a common wonderment on the part of the okcupid sluts, too, "why would one such of you need for okcupid". what need.	[13:49]
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mircea_popescu	jurov what you just described, my punishment algorithm implemented to mining	[13:49]
ascii_shmoocon	also random difficulty has a strong chance of putting you on pluto with no return ticket	[13:49]
jurov	yes, depends on mathematic discovery of class of functions that fulfills criteria, obv can't just decide workfunction willy nilly	[13:51]
ascii_shmoocon	no it is inherently 'fried ice'	[13:51]
ascii_shmoocon	'varies but not enough to perma-hose diff'	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	haha wait, wait, there's a "class of functions" in the sky that'll come and deliver you ?	[13:52]
ascii_shmoocon	and that. go, invent...	[13:53]
mircea_popescu	there's this ancient romanian rhyme, "caligula imperator si-a facut calul senator. petru groza, mai sinistru, si-a facut boul ministru". i can't help but think of it when would-be pygmalions are not content to merely cut themselves a fucktoy/mate out of stone	[13:54]
mircea_popescu	they go for the whole nine years, they're gonna make a clay divinity!	[13:54]
jurov	well, at least i can name the problem to ask perelman "want to generate infinite count asymetric functions, and they will each have distinct algorithm"	[13:54]
jurov	*count of	[13:54]
mircea_popescu	why waste the asking.	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	ask him to absolve you of von neumann sin.	[13:55]
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jurov	yeaaa...and symbolics sin and ...	[13:55]
jurov	babbage and turing and...	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	i meant something specific.	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	!s "living, of course, in a state of sin"	[13:57]
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mircea_popescu	heh. WHAT USE ARE YOU, O LOGS!	[13:57]
ascii_shmoocon	perelman does not absolve. only - damns.	[13:57]
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mircea_popescu	lol.	[13:57]
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thestringpuller	asc	[13:57]
ascii_shmoocon	!s state of sin	[13:57]
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jurov	von neumann or not, we're still bound to turing-like machines that need to be fed algorithms. and maybe the algorithms can be mutated enough.	[13:58]
jurov	and maybe not	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	we also only hold hammers, and maybe the hits can be modulated enough! shall we try or shall we not.	[13:58]
thestringpuller	ascii_shmoocon: is it still problem is "sane" person owns production?	[13:58]
ascii_shmoocon	you know this reminds me of amateur crypto	[13:58]
ascii_shmoocon	'hey, this Algorithm confyoozd -me-, it is good...'	[13:59]
jurov	kek	[13:59]
thestringpuller	ascii_shmoocon: cause right now it seems production is held by incompetent cartel, which is why I said it'd be less of problem if friedcat hadn't spit in MPEx's face.	[14:00]
jurov	for me the mining problem stems from clinging to precious few cryptohash functions, which are all amateur (not proven) anyway	[14:01]
jurov	i want infinite count of proven assymetric functions!!!!	[14:01]
ascii_shmoocon	pray to satan against -competent- one	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller true incompetence has a major advantage - it disperses.	[14:01]
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mircea_popescu	ascii_shmoocon oh, ~here~ you see the danger do you ? :D	[14:02]
thestringpuller	jurov: all crypto functions will inevitably become obsolete no? thus at some point it will necesarily change.	[14:02]
mircea_popescu	jurov that's not necessarily a bad thing to want, on its own.	[14:02]
thestringpuller	ascii_shmoocon: competent one does not have === anti-christ	[14:02]
mircea_popescu	very valid place to invest a life in quite respectable research.	[14:02]
ascii_shmoocon	sorta what i do	[14:03]
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DerpUnion	are there any plans on attking any xchgs/processors who switch to classic	[14:07]
DerpUnion	and by attking, i dun mean ddos, i mean wiping them clean off their bitcoins	[14:07]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374174 << the part where they're all siliconed.	[14:13]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 05:04:54; pete_dushenski: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2Lin1PyZ4jU/hqdefault.jpg << what part of this picture is begging for "infrastructure" ?	[14:13]
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mircea_popescu	"Well BitcoinClassic -- that, according to the Core devs, is a hostile fork -- already has the support of 70% of the miners.	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	The price did drop a little, but almost certainly because of Mike's pessimistic statements, not because of that "attack". So the first line of defense failed: it looks like the miners will not be "punished" financially for lifting the size limit -- quite the opposite."	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	lmao.	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	yeah, TOTALLY that's what happened.	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	did this guy ever do anything other than drive around looking for overturned garbage bins to sit in front of and selfie himself while explaining his theories about how moonrays cause littering and how the owls are to blame for moonrays ?	[14:20]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374262 <<< the link to "we just read some words mp said" being lost to "everyone", of course.	[14:27]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 07:15:57; BingoBoingo: A lol re:Classicstroturfing https://twitter.com/AaronvanW/status/688510968050102272 "Email from F2Pool (24% of hash power): "We did not say we 'support' Bitcoin Classic. We used the word 'welcome' to be exact." (More to come)"	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	just more things that never occurred.	[14:28]
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danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374268 << done	[14:32]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 07:19:37; BingoBoingo: danielpbarron do either you or shinohai care to invite DiscusFish's macbook-air to channel?	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374299 << there's nothing wrong with that, let them have it, and enjoy its fruits. there's a reason the correct stance is to cater to the comfort of the priviledged and [not incidentally, but deliberatelty and by design] step on the faces of the worthless. but nobody's reequired to accept this as some sort of gospel - let them walk the desert of eating rocks and shitting	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	prunes until their gullet's deeply satisfied.	[14:35]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 11:08:22; thestringpuller: Bitcoin Classic doesn't even beat around the bush about it being socialist: "Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort."	[14:35]
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mircea_popescu	nevertheless, in their case it's empty blathering. the words they say are the result of what they think would work best as a thing to say, not anything deeper than that. they'd say they believe in cinderella fucking papa bear while riding on a golden broomstick if that's what the focus groups preferred ot hear.	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3657 << this is a nice and fine article, except at the part where the dude pretends like his betters - that is to say, rich people, white people, powerful people, me - are "an unknown quantity" and somehow an old policeman / janitor's relative is different. fuck that. you MAY have your little niceties, for jsut as long as you clearly understand that your role here is strictly t	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	o protect MY old uncle and cuff the fucking street scum. that's how you may also, and to a lesser degree, take care of yours. that and that only.	[14:44]
assbot	JL: ‘On The War Path’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q6LFep )	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	but once you start with "Democratic" and bla bla - guess what. your crazy old uncle is first to be burned at the stake. because you are the servant, and that's how it goes.	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	"cross the imaginary, retrospectively hallucinated '''line'''" bs is worth about as much as the piss it carries.	[14:45]
thestringpuller	;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/0219CV4.txt	[14:48]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[14:48]
shinohai	;;blocks	[15:03]
gribble	393721	[15:03]
shinohai	< 1k to go o/	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	trinque o look de bot is gone ?	[15:03]
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ascii_rear	sooo the talk re: power grid in usa using unciphered rf for control was mildly amusing	[15:12]
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ascii_rear	but on the whole, mega-snorecon	[15:12]
-assbot-	You voiced wangchun for 30 minutes.	[15:12]
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mircea_popescu	ascii_rear isn't that straight out of the tinfoilhat annals ?	[15:12]
ascii_rear	c---, unrecommend	[15:13]
BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374268 << To get a gpg key registered, and hopefully an interview. Dunno how it would go over because all of his writing I've seen in English seems a bit combative.	[15:13]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 07:19:37; BingoBoingo: danielpbarron do either you or shinohai care to invite DiscusFish's macbook-air to channel?	[15:13]
ascii_rear	it is 30 yr sop	[15:13]
ascii_rear	ancient modemz, electromechanical switch, etc	[15:14]
ascii_rear	mega-unsurpise.	[15:14]
ascii_rear	unsurprise	[15:14]
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ascii_rear	but... but.. i got a.. can opener.	[15:18]
trinque	mircea_popescu: thanks. his escape from AWS is in the works.	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	ascii_rear wait wut ?	[15:18]
shinohai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374510 <<< btctalk message sent, awaiting reply.	[15:18]
trinque	I've also rewritten the IRC bot portion, and the new thing knows how to reclaim nick, and generally speaking doesn't suck.	[15:18]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 18:11:36; BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374268 << To get a gpg key registered, and hopefully an interview. Dunno how it would go over because all of his writing I've seen in English seems a bit combative.	[15:18]
trinque	just gotta get the services rewritten	[15:18]
ascii_rear	the company, however, i'd pass on	[15:18]
ascii_rear	mircea_popescu: keychain	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	lol. k.	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	trinque cool beans.	[15:19]
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jurov	lol i read alf got a car opener	[15:27]
jurov	which would be shocking given his strict-whitehat proclivities	[15:28]
BingoBoingo	shinohai: Actually if you just want to interview and so a qntra piece that would be swell	[15:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @#64; 0.00052731 = 1.5556 BTC [-]	[15:28]
BingoBoingo	or you too danielpbarron	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	for the record fooplot.com actually spits out svg's! pretty cool.	[15:30]
BingoBoingo	WHo ever he responds to	[15:30]
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BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374493 << In Lafondtology 'betters' are a known quantity as well. They attack down so avoid or appease.	[15:35]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 17:43:00; mircea_popescu: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3657 << this is a nice and fine article, except at the part where the dude pretends like his betters - that is to say, rich people, white people, powerful people, me - are "an unknown quantity" and somehow an old policeman / janitor's relative is different. fuck that. you MAY have your little niceties, for jsut as long as you clearly understan	[15:35]
shinohai	BingoBoingo: if he writes back sure	[15:36]
shinohai	wait	[15:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @#64; 0.00052573 = 3.0755 BTC [-] {4}	[15:37]
shinohai	"Please send your questions to admin at f2pool dot com. Thanks." macbook-air	[15:37]
BingoBoingo	shinohai: Cool. It looks like you have a lead for that F2pool interview you're going to submit to Qntra.	[15:40]
shinohai	> . <	[15:40]
danielpbarron	heh, I got no reply	[15:40]
shinohai	They seem to be going Classic no?	[15:41]
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BingoBoingo	shinohai: No, they 'welcomed' classic which is being classtroturfed into support	[15:43]
BingoBoingo	!up wangchun	[15:43]
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BingoBoingo	IN other news Selkis is going over to Coindesk since Silbert owns them both.	[15:50]
jurov	no idea about either derp	[15:52]
jurov	should i know them?	[15:52]
BingoBoingo	Not really.	[15:52]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Bitstamp Bans Russia - http://qntra.net/2016/01/bitstamp-bans-russia/	[16:00]
BingoBoingo	Doomed by politeness https://archive.is/ORTGQ	[16:01]
assbot	Bitcoin Classic - Code of conduct ... ( http://bit.ly/1RZ6MBl )	[16:01]
BingoBoingo	Offensive comments related to ... body size << It's because Gavin's bulking isn't it?	[16:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2706 @#64; 0.00052369 = 1.4171 BTC [+] {2}	[16:10]
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mod6	just needed to build gdb inside of the rotor, that i think was my problemo.	[16:14]
mod6	was able to build v7.10	[16:14]
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BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all --currency rmb	[16:18]
gribble	BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2571.21, vol: 79290.02680000 \| Volume-weighted last average: 2571.21	[16:18]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[16:19]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 386.28, vol: 13408.56292557 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 386.443, vol: 9315.19385 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 387.64, vol: 34099.66123462 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 370.0, vol: 6.40632189 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 391.732353, vol: 79280.31390000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 388.3002, vol: 284.25406211 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 386.8158, vol: 79.12573361 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[16:19]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[16:21]
gribble	389.802079088	[16:21]
jurov	mod6 why gdb? systemwide gdb works fine	[16:23]
punkman	does trb relay txs with op_return outputs?	[16:28]
jurov	no	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374493 << In Lafondtology 'betters' are a known quantity as well. They attack down so avoid or appease. << oh, lafond himself gets the thing pretty close. it is a class thing. the problem is the speaker, who, like a bunch of his brethren, ended up in this weirdo alt-reality where THEY are the upper class.	[16:39]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 17:43:00; mircea_popescu: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3657 << this is a nice and fine article, except at the part where the dude pretends like his betters - that is to say, rich people, white people, powerful people, me - are "an unknown quantity" and somehow an old policeman / janitor's relative is different. fuck that. you MAY have your little niceties, for jsut as long as you clearly understan	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	you know there;'s a bloodletting coming by the time the fucking footpad imagines himself the baron outright.	[16:40]
BingoBoingo	lol	[16:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @#64; 0.00053068 = 1.592 BTC [+] {4}	[16:42]
*	BingoBoingo thought Lafond made it clear he exists on bottom. Only spared fatal predation so far because prickly.	[16:43]
BingoBoingo	Same reason porcupine is decidedly NOT king of the forest	[16:44]
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BingoBoingo	https://archive.is/vuQ9G << lulzy	[16:47]
assbot	In an almost totally un-talked about change to the protocol bitcoin now has the innovative feature of just totally throwing away transactions. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZEZBnO )	[16:47]
jurov	would be hilarious if they reused my hack	[16:48]
BingoBoingo	for srs	[16:48]
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BingoBoingo	!Up wang	[16:52]
BingoBoingo	!up wangchun	[16:52]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo yeh. he was quoting some policeman dude tho	[16:54]
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mircea_popescu	lol bitcoin core's implementing teh b-a mempool limit stuff ? ha-ha.	[16:55]
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mircea_popescu	!up mynameisv	[16:57]
-assbot-	You voiced mynameisv for 30 minutes.	[16:57]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @#64; 0.0005307 = 1.3268 BTC [+]	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	here she is asciilifeform : https://www.okcupid.com/profile/myrathe	[17:01]
assbot	myrathe / 38 / Shih-k’eng-tzu, Taiwan \| OkCupid ... ( http://bit.ly/1Zu8kUv )	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	first step to our own tsmc!	[17:01]
thestringpuller	"What I'm doing with my life...Working in electronics company.."	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	very polite, submissive girl too.	[17:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6294 @#64; 0.00053089 = 3.3414 BTC [+] {3}	[17:07]
ben_vulpes	mornin	[17:10]
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mircea_popescu	hola	[17:12]
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mod6	<+jurov> mod6 why gdb? systemwide gdb works fine << my gentoo didn't have gdb built via portage, so when I went to build that, it blew up (re: yesterday).	[17:55]
mod6	instead, just pulled the source and built inside the rotor so it would be built with the gcc/musl that comes with buildroot	[17:56]
mod6	that way i can actually debug my bitcoind with musl symbols etc.	[17:56]
shinohai	I bought a bottle of muscadine wine to pop open the minute mine finally syncs	[17:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @#64; 0.00053151 = 1.1693 BTC [-] {2}	[17:59]
*	BingoBoingo amazed that with his new lifestyle he can get a can of decent coffee that last a week and has the same cost as a cheap 5th of vodka	[18:00]
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pete_dushenski	wouldja look at that... mpex sinks 'bitcoinclassic' and mpoe bust through 53. what a coincidence :P	[18:01]
BingoBoingo	power rangering on https://archive.is/t78mR	[18:05]
assbot	bitcoin/release-notes.md at 0.12 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1RZmLiN )	[18:05]
ben_vulpes	very causation	[18:07]
mats	totes	[18:07]
BingoBoingo	lol, they are also bumping protocol version bit: "Support for the NODE_BLOOM service bit, as described in BIP 111, has been added to the P2P protocol code.	[18:08]
BingoBoingo	BIP 111 defines a service bit to allow peers to advertise that they support bloom filters (such as used by SPV clients) explicitly. It also bumps the protocol version to allow peers to identify old nodes which allow bloom filtering of the connection despite lacking the new service bit.	[18:08]
BingoBoingo	In this version, it is only enforced for peers that send protocol versions >=70011 . For the next major version it is planned that this restriction will be removed. It is recommended to update SPV clients to check for the NODE_BLOOM service bit for nodes that report versions newer than 70011." end powerspam	[18:08]
ben_vulpes	;;later tell asciilifeform i'm suffering from a failure of imagination--care to link me to the thread where you explain how a cc would work without miners?	[18:08]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[18:08]
ben_vulpes	hawala, then?	[18:11]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @#64; 0.00053152 = 1.9135 BTC [+]	[18:13]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374417	[18:14]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 16:44:07; ascii_shmoocon: i can think of exactly one: an 'mp-hawala', where mo transacts with the other 17 or so olympians, indeed requires no minerz...	[18:14]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: it works by ben_vulpes, sultan of brunei, and king of saud, sending each other pgpgrams with signed chits of how many tonnes of plutonium each owes the other.	[18:15]
BingoBoingo	My how things have changed from 2014. TMSR has a fallback plan nao: Become Olympus!	[18:15]
asciilifeform	and if this doesn't look like 'cryptocurrency', don't complain, it is THE logical 'car for the k00l d00dz and not the 15m maggots'	[18:15]
phf	this is where it's all going, pgpgrams over gossip of v-ified ledgers	[18:16]
mod6	neat	[18:17]
pete_dushenski	https://github.com/bitcoin-solutions/multibit/issues/23 << itsa davout from 2012 !	[18:17]
assbot	Mandatory tx fee · Issue #23 · bitcoin-solutions/multibit · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Zug2xY )	[18:17]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: i've been wondering, you ever set foot in a factory of whatever type ?	[18:17]
asciilifeform	even as tourist	[18:18]
pete_dushenski	boeing comes to mind	[18:18]
pete_dushenski	yes	[18:18]
asciilifeform	aha! good. do you recall the tooling ?	[18:18]
asciilifeform	the materials ?	[18:18]
pete_dushenski	sure...	[18:19]
asciilifeform	what do you suppose a tungsten carbide endmill would cost if created by hand in quantity of three ?	[18:19]
phf	(what the hell happened to linux ecosystem? 5-th tutorial on "openvpn on linux" is basically "make sure you have file a, file b and file c. now click open in open-gnome-vpn-assistant..")	[18:19]
asciilifeform	phf: you know very well what happened	[18:20]
phf	:(	[18:20]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: i suppose they'd be more expensive, perhaps even too expensive to cost-effectively use.	[18:20]
asciilifeform	'perhaps' l0l	[18:20]
pete_dushenski	you speak as if it's a certainty, or at least as if it were a certainty, that it'd matter.	[18:22]
pete_dushenski	have you no faith in human ingenuity ?	[18:22]
asciilifeform	to even contemplate the notion that it doesn't matter, or to suggest that it is anything short of certain, betrays a deep ignorance of the actual making-things business as it stands for the last 200 yr.	[18:22]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: myes, i can see this	[18:24]
asciilifeform	i would like to watch pete_dushenski make a piston for his mercedes without carbide tooling	[18:24]
asciilifeform	or to drive same mercedes on ru mud road	[18:24]
ben_vulpes	aha carbides	[18:24]
asciilifeform	(where german tanks sank into the earth)	[18:24]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: if faced with ru roads, i'd drive g-wagon, as ru'ians do.	[18:24]
pete_dushenski	i live in paved arctic, so drive s-class	[18:24]
ben_vulpes	anyways an entirely viable future is one wherein the various lords with computing gear remaining in the closet operate their own bitcoind variants as local banks, holding chits for the peasants and reconciling over shortwave gpggram	[18:25]
ben_vulpes	ofc one could also do entirely away with the 'cc' part.	[18:25]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: but that's perfectly pedestrian 'mad max' remnants-of-the-old, rather than ab initio 'for the 15k!1111'	[18:25]
ben_vulpes	gotta kill the megastates first though.	[18:25]
BingoBoingo	Moar on NODE_BLOOM service bit https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0111.mediawiki	[18:25]
assbot	bips/bip-0111.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZugOLr )	[18:25]
ben_vulpes	yeah well who knows how the trajectory actually draws through the possibility space	[18:26]
BingoBoingo	"In initial implementations, old nodes which are not yet aware of NODE_BLOOM and use a protocol version < 70011 may still send filter messages to a node without NODE_BLOOM. This feature may be removed after there are sufficient NODE_BLOOM nodes available and SPV clients have upgraded, allowing node operators to fully close the bloom-related DoS vectors."	[18:26]
asciilifeform	we can say a few meaningful things about where it WON'T go	[18:26]
asciilifeform	because those are the lands of magical pixies	[18:26]
asciilifeform	like the one where semiconductors are made out of horse shit in medieval castles	[18:26]
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oglafbot	http://oglaf.com/weathercock/	[18:27]
assbot	"Weathercock" ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZugUmk )	[18:27]
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asciilifeform	or where handmade mercedes drives 100 miles WITHOUT needing new piston rings	[18:27]
asciilifeform	and without shaking the oh-precious princess therein, to death	[18:27]
*	ben_vulpes once attempted to fab a piston	[18:27]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: aha! and it ran ? for how long ?	[18:28]
ben_vulpes	didn't! at all!	[18:28]
ben_vulpes	like everything else i do.	[18:28]
pete_dushenski	lol	[18:28]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: didja lap it ?	[18:28]
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*	ben_vulpes regards the vast pile of oddities that sorta-worked	[18:28]
ben_vulpes	actually the waste oil furnace was pretty good	[18:28]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: what was it, stirling engine ?	[18:29]
ben_vulpes	piston or furnace?	[18:29]
asciilifeform	either	[18:30]
ben_vulpes	piston was for lulzy undergraduate water cooled lfr engine design with reciprocating pistons to pressurize fuel lines	[18:30]
ben_vulpes	learned that turbo machinery is clearly the correct solution	[18:30]
ben_vulpes	furnace was for heating warehouse where i was working	[18:30]
asciilifeform	and why waste oil	[18:31]
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asciilifeform	neighbours had it ?	[18:31]
ben_vulpes	there was a chinese restaurant giving it away up the street!	[18:31]
asciilifeform	neato	[18:31]
asciilifeform	must've smelled delicious	[18:31]
*	ben_vulpes maggot, proud to find free energy around	[18:31]
ben_vulpes	'twas outside	[18:31]
ben_vulpes	horrendously noisy	[18:31]
ben_vulpes	BUT SO AWESOME	[18:31]
ben_vulpes	pumped water through the furnace, up to our shop, and through an old car radiator with a fan behind it.	[18:32]
ben_vulpes	did not work as well as the radiant attachments atop the propane tank	[18:32]
ben_vulpes	also blew crap all over the shop while i was finishing tables and whatnot, so eventually decommissioned.	[18:32]
asciilifeform	but slower co poisoning than with tank ?	[18:32]
ben_vulpes	co poisoning not really an issue, it's a slow flow over some steel mesh, more or less everything burns off on the mesh going to co2	[18:33]
ben_vulpes	plus very tall ceilings	[18:33]
asciilifeform	i have what is supposed to be a spiffy propane heater in the workshop, it is not endurable for more than half hour or so	[18:33]
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BingoBoingo	kinda lulzy discussion re: NODE_BLOOM bit https://archive.is/Jb1jN	[18:33]
assbot	Add NODE_BLOOM service bit and bump protocol version by TheBlueMatt · Pull Request #6579 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZuhGj2 )	[18:33]
asciilifeform	and nonsense, it does not all burn off.	[18:33]
ben_vulpes	which one? and why unendurable?	[18:33]
asciilifeform	gasenwagen.	[18:33]
ben_vulpes	well, "most" relative to volume of shop.	[18:34]
asciilifeform	'Mr. Heater' F232000.	[18:34]
ben_vulpes	oh jeez	[18:34]
ben_vulpes	is that /plastic/?	[18:34]
asciilifeform	the handle was thermoplastic iirc (as on frying pan)	[18:35]
ben_vulpes	you want the eye of sauron: mr heater mh15t	[18:35]
asciilifeform	on wooden floor ?!	[18:35]
asciilifeform	also same problem	[18:35]
asciilifeform	unvented combustion sucks.	[18:35]
asciilifeform	no way around it.	[18:35]
ben_vulpes	"science doesn't suck -- it blows!"	[18:36]
asciilifeform	unless you burn motherfuckin hydrogen	[18:36]
ben_vulpes	yeah well get a bigger shop	[18:36]
ben_vulpes	only time i ever came close to death by co2 was operating the concrete cutter in someone's basement	[18:36]
ben_vulpes	that was a fun day	[18:36]
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asciilifeform	by co2 ?!!	[18:36]
ben_vulpes	c0*	[18:36]
BingoBoingo	Really the solution is electric heat	[18:36]
ben_vulpes	co co	[18:36]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: tried electric heat. blows out the breakers, the place is powered via extension cord	[18:37]
ben_vulpes	BingoBoingo: electric is the worst	[18:37]
ben_vulpes	takes mega current	[18:37]
asciilifeform	i entirely would if could.	[18:37]
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ben_vulpes	oh lol	[18:37]
punkman	wood stove that vents outside mebbe	[18:37]
ben_vulpes	anyways, doesn't get hot enough to do the radiant trick, you end up heating the whole place instead of the place where you are.	[18:37]
asciilifeform	punkman: on wooden floor?!!	[18:37]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: what is with you and unsanitary working conditions	[18:38]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: money ?	[18:38]
BingoBoingo	alf lives in hovel in jungle	[18:38]
asciilifeform	elementarily ?	[18:38]
BingoBoingo	been discussed before	[18:38]
asciilifeform	the key thing is that the one non-negotiable thing i use, is VERY expensive	[18:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @#64; 0.00053152 = 3.7738 BTC [+]	[18:39]
asciilifeform	anywhere in the world	[18:39]
asciilifeform	:	[18:39]
asciilifeform	vermin-free area	[18:39]
ben_vulpes	sleep?	[18:39]
punkman	asciilifeform: why not on wooden floor	[18:39]
asciilifeform	as in, no extraneous bodies within ~50 metre in any direction	[18:39]
asciilifeform	wooden floor, in this context, is actually a great deal	[18:40]
asciilifeform	it beats, say, bare permafrost	[18:40]
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asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: sleep is actually far too expensive for me to afford	[18:41]
asciilifeform	because the no-vermin thing comes FIRST	[18:41]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374583 << what am i looking at, mircea_popescu ?	[18:43]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 19:59:45; mircea_popescu: here she is asciilifeform : https://www.okcupid.com/profile/myrathe	[18:43]
phf	warehouses are expensive in dc area. it's some sort of idiot bubble, because you can rent warehouse space by acres in baltimore and whereabouts, only an hour away	[18:43]
asciilifeform	phf: not cheap there either	[18:43]
asciilifeform	at least not in human-sized pieces	[18:43]
asciilifeform	10,000 sq. ft. for a dollar/mo. each? sure. 1000 ? go away. etc	[18:44]
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asciilifeform	and anything you leave there is liable to be carted away or smashed.	[18:44]
asciilifeform	(unless you also station a platoon of orc-hunters therein)	[18:44]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374593 << mega-recommended approach. guaranteed to work unless something is SERIOUSLY broken with the WHOLE rotor.	[18:45]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 20:54:44; mod6: instead, just pulled the source and built inside the rotor so it would be built with the gcc/musl that comes with buildroot	[18:45]
ben_vulpes	did i hear that someone managed to get rotor to clobber their whole homedir?	[18:46]
asciilifeform	the whole reason i did rotor was to thermonuke whatever dependencies there were on the crud on various people's boxes	[18:46]
BingoBoingo	lol	[18:46]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: if you try hard, and violate instructions sufficiently liberally, you can probably rm -rf your ENTIRE HOUSE	[18:46]
asciilifeform	and street.	[18:46]
BingoBoingo	!b 5	[18:46]
ben_vulpes	"FOOF"	[18:46]
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asciilifeform	;;later tell punindented what was the point of your http://dpaste.com/0CRQ2PJ ?	[18:48]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[18:48]
assbot	dpaste: 0CRQ2PJ: by punindented ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZujrwG )	[18:48]
asciilifeform	who the everliving fuck uses mawk, and for what ??	[18:48]
phf	fwiw, i've ran it on large data before and it was constant faster then bsd awk that comes with os x	[18:50]
ben_vulpes	> i adopted it in 2009	[18:51]
ben_vulpes	guy writes javascript, uses mawk...	[18:51]
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BingoBoingo	Anyone with a better idea of how the network works want to look into the NODE_BLOOM business and see if the implementation is yet another effort to isolate our noadz	[19:06]
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BingoBoingo	In other news/goalposts power rangers appear to be targeting a complete OpenSSL excision by 0.13	[19:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @#64; 0.00052927 = 2.5405 BTC [-] {3}	[19:17]
mod6	asciilifeform: punindented was trying to help out a bit -- he hit that weird bug with vdiff on ubuntu or debian or something, when then reminded me that I lost your fix for that. I've searched through logs many times, can't seem to find it. I did actually ask yesterday too:	[19:22]
mod6	<+mod6> asciilifeform: hey, for a long time now I've been searching for the fix you provided to vdiff for debian/ubuntu; for some reason it barfs saying that there is an unmatched quote or something.	[19:22]
mod6	so if you have yours somewhere it'd be awesome to get that and place it somewhere so I don't lose it again.	[19:22]
mod6	<+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: if you try hard, and violate instructions sufficiently liberally, you can probably rm -rf your ENTIRE HOUSE << yes someone did do this.	[19:23]
mod6	and blew away their pgp keys too.	[19:23]
mod6	so make sure you have your keys backed up!	[19:23]
mod6	and don't nuke your entire world.	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	!up raedah	[19:28]
-assbot-	You voiced raedah for 30 minutes.	[19:28]
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raedah	buona sera	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	hola.	[19:32]
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mod6	bitte	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	lol check it out it's manners day over at old b-a.	[19:38]
ben_vulpes	rude	[19:38]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374605 << this is actually a good move, and the logical reaction to ascii's ban.	[19:44]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374614 << hater!	[20:03]
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mircea_popescu	o look no moar assbot.	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	i suppose we should get 15mn assbots.	[20:03]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374627 << same thing that happens to "fridge ecosystem" once the engineer dies.	[20:04]
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mircea_popescu	it... intelligently.	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	phf:	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	(what the hell happened to linux ecosystem? 5-th tutorial on "openvpn on linux" is basically "make sure you have file a, file b and file c. now click open in open-gnome-vpn-assistant..")	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	phf ^	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	i gotta assbot by hand over here and i suck at it!	[20:05]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374627 << same thing that happens to "fridge ecosystem" once the engineer dies.	[20:10]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 21:18:20; phf: (what the hell happened to linux ecosystem? 5-th tutorial on "openvpn on linux" is basically "make sure you have file a, file b and file c. now click open in open-gnome-vpn-assistant..")	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	ah wellcome back!	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374634 << you've created yourself a convenient strawman and are having sex with it.	[20:11]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 21:21:26; asciilifeform: to even contemplate the notion that it doesn't matter, or to suggest that it is anything short of certain, betrays a deep ignorance of the actual making-things business as it stands for the last 200 yr.	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	again : the volume of production and the relationships between people are unrelated.	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	you have no reason to suspect FEWER boeings would be produced, or in use, if only one person in ten was a citizen, and the rest nine slaves.	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	there's nothing but fartware and wishful thinking backing this notion that "every idiot getting 10 dollars to spend is the best possible world", pangloss.	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	for all you know the world where every derp and his ten dollars causes britney spears is the world where quality musical instruments do not exist.	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	for all you know the world of manufacturing was lots and lots more powerful back when trhey were supplying bach's needs than sepultura's.	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374632 << it's what they call "a psychological necessity".	[20:14]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 21:20:50; pete_dushenski: you speak as if it's a certainty, or at least as if it were a certainty, that it'd matter.	[20:14]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374700 << why the fuck would you even do unvented combustion.	[20:24]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 21:34:20; asciilifeform: unvented combustion sucks.	[20:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @#64; 0.00052727 = 1.0282 BTC [-] {2}	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374718 << i hate radiative heating. my skin feels like i'm sunbathing, and i also hate sunbathing.	[20:26]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 21:36:22; ben_vulpes: anyways, doesn't get hot enough to do the radiant trick, you end up heating the whole place instead of the place where you are.	[20:26]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374796 << because wooden shed with no provisions for proper stove.	[20:26]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 23:22:46; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374700 << why the fuck would you even do unvented combustion.	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform oh tell me more about how sane people don't get carbide this or that, please.	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	clearly this shit's working so well.	[20:26]
asciilifeform	hey i have a full set of carbide cutters and lathe in there, l0l	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	i never lived in a fucking hovel where the heating wasn't vented, either outside the wall or in specially made vents ffs.	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	but then again i guess i never lived in civilisation.	[20:27]
asciilifeform	it's a shed	[20:27]
asciilifeform	wasn't meant for life	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	...	[20:27]
asciilifeform	was built for keeping shovels, etc.	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	so what do you do there then. die first.	[20:27]
asciilifeform	i drill/mill/lathe things etc. there.	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	anyway, so if it's a wooden shed, cut a hole, add a pipe and some insulation, done.	[20:28]
asciilifeform	did this eventually, for the laser.	[20:28]
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asciilifeform	but admittedly the subject is of very little interest to people who aren't me.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374742 << this is pretty insane, i had something like high 30's for ~700 euro total.	[20:30]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 21:42:28; asciilifeform: 10,000 sq. ft. for a dollar/mo. each? sure. 1000 ? go away. etc	[20:30]
asciilifeform	take me to your planet.	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	37k i think it was.	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i did! you wouldn't even fuck the eager gypsy girls!	[20:30]
asciilifeform	it was mouthwateringly glorious, aha.	[20:30]
asciilifeform	remember how i wanted to buy the dump ?	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	now granted, it was just a concrete slab with corrugated sheet walls and roof.	[20:30]
asciilifeform	the one with the broken bottles	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	but apparently this is standard these days.	[20:31]
asciilifeform	corrugated steel walls is a palace to me.	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	ironically, the locals were kinda jealous of the guy, because it comes out that doing a 40 x 100 metre concrete slab and surrounding it in basically an elaborate, roofed fence costs less than building an actual house, and brought in rent slightly more.	[20:32]
asciilifeform	oh l0l! was this the thing by the graveyard ?!	[20:32]
asciilifeform	with the blue roof ?	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	aha	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	middle of nowhere, but hey, it had natl road access right by the door.	[20:33]
asciilifeform	i drooled over it on 'google earth'	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	anyway. back in the day "warehouse" meant brick wall, etc.	[20:34]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374790 << ok 1 in 10 - is sane. the thing that melted my brain was the contention that five barons could have handmade silicon etc.	[20:34]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 23:10:18; mircea_popescu: you have no reason to suspect FEWER boeings would be produced, or in use, if only one person in ten was a citizen, and the rest nine slaves.	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	look at my most recent article, the curve is there and intuitively obvious what's meant.	[20:35]
asciilifeform	aha, just did	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	hm... it never made it to the chan this, did it ?	[20:35]
asciilifeform	in light of it it makes sense.	[20:35]
asciilifeform	http://trilema.com/2016/this-is-how-you-fail-and-why-and-wherefore << it	[20:36]
assbot	This is how you fail ; and why ; and wherefore. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/238XvvM )	[20:36]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374767 << i do not recall this.	[20:39]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 22:20:36; mod6: <+mod6> asciilifeform: hey, for a long time now I've been searching for the fix you provided to vdiff for debian/ubuntu; for some reason it barfs saying that there is an unmatched quote or something.	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374742 << sharing one makes eminently little sense. you can't rent except by the gate.	[20:39]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 21:42:28; asciilifeform: 10,000 sq. ft. for a dollar/mo. each? sure. 1000 ? go away. etc	[20:39]
asciilifeform	mod6: was it the the LC_ALL=C thing?	[20:39]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: aha. though it is not unheard-of to subdivide a warehouse	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	not among unknowns.	[20:40]
mod6	asciilifeform: no i don't think so.	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	heck, i guess in practice every insanity's heard of, including to subdivide a woman unawares.	[20:40]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i once knew two fellas who unknowingly shared a toothbrush for most of a year.	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374762 << nah. and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374764 << this is sensible and a welcome idea, in general. tho i still dunno how much the proposed replacement's worth.	[20:41]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 22:05:27; BingoBoingo: Anyone with a better idea of how the network works want to look into the NODE_BLOOM business and see if the implementation is yet another effort to isolate our noadz	[20:41]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 22:12:09; BingoBoingo: In other news/goalposts power rangers appear to be targeting a complete OpenSSL excision by 0.13	[20:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @#64; 0.00052404 = 2.7774 BTC [-] {2}	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform confucius say, better share toothbrush than buttplug.	[20:42]
asciilifeform	i went over the crud	[20:42]
asciilifeform	it very much is moar of the same.	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	so did a few other people.	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	would you swear to anything ?	[20:42]
mod6	here's what it is asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/3QGYPPK.txt	[20:43]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Ozu8cr )	[20:43]
asciilifeform	my tentative conclusion is that the phoundation folk are making things explicit	[20:43]
asciilifeform	(in re: the corralling of the cattle)	[20:43]
mod6	i should also point out this: http://dpaste.com/01R3NFN.txt	[20:44]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OzubVF )	[20:44]
asciilifeform	mod6: i have no idea what is happening here	[20:44]
asciilifeform	but it suggests that your sed is broken	[20:44]
asciilifeform	awk, rather	[20:44]
punkman	I think I had that error, just changed around the quoting of the vdiff command	[20:45]
mod6	yeah, this seems to be the case on ubuntu & deb (iirc), only works on gentoo for me. you fixed this once iirc. but i've since lost the changes :/	[20:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @#64; 0.00052999 = 2.7559 BTC [+] {3}	[20:47]
punkman	mod6, here's my version: diff -uNr $1 $2 \| awk 'm = /^(---\|+++)/{s="sha512sum "" $2 "" 2>/dev/null " \| getline x; if (s) { split(x, a, " "); o = a[1]; } else {o = "false";} print $1 " " $2 " " o} !m { print $0 }'	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo "Bitstamp has emailed users stating it has banned access from all IP addresses originating from the Russian Federation access to the Bitcoin exchange."	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	and what is this "continue reading" thing ?	[20:47]
asciilifeform	'Starting with Tor version 0.2.7.1 it is possible, through Tor's control socket API, to create and destroy 'ephemeral' hidden services programmatically. Bitcoin Core has been updated to make use of this. This means that if Tor is running (and proper authorization is available), Bitcoin Core automatically creates a hidden service to listen on, without manual configuration. Bitcoin Core will also use Tor automatically to connect	[20:48]
asciilifeform	to other .onion nodes if the control socket can be successfully opened. This will positively affect the number of available .onion nodes and their usage. This new feature is enabled by default if Bitcoin Core is listening, and a connection to Tor can be made.' << l0l!!	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[20:49]
asciilifeform	'Previously, every wallet transaction stored a Merkle branch to prove its presence in blocks. This wasn't being used for more than an expensive sanity check. Since 0.12, these are no longer stored.'	[20:49]
guruvan	mod6: that image I made last night isn't working - there's a fork at block 168000 that it's not liking	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	isn't that the bdb issue ?	[20:49]
asciilifeform	guruvan: what was this ?	[20:50]
guruvan	can I just build as per instrux here http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin and	[20:50]
punkman	guruvan: possibly because of openssl version	[20:50]
assbot	the_real_bitcoin [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/238YcVW )	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	gah, is half our documentation unmaintained / out of date by now ?	[20:50]
asciilifeform	holy shit, year-old instructions ?!!1	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	jesus.	[20:50]
guruvan	asciilifeform: working on a trb docker image - looks like was 168000 p2sh ?	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	listen, ben_vulpes mod6 you gotta have a process to prevent this situation. no documentation is bad. wrong or obsolete documentation is way way worse.	[20:50]
asciilifeform	but iirc even therealbitcoin.org doesn't mention 'v'	[20:50]
guruvan	I'm not using that - I'm building straight from a tarball	[20:50]
asciilifeform	or the modern v-tronic build	[20:51]
guruvan	mircea_popescu: docker image Dockerfile helps document buld process -that part of why I do these	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	lotta people suddenly got interested, caught us with the pants down in a very wrong spot to have pants down.	[20:51]
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mircea_popescu	guruvan did you make sense of v so far ?	[20:51]
guruvan	sorta - I think I have everything in the current mirror set all figured out - haven't tried to build anything outta that yet	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	aite.	[20:52]
asciilifeform	#5677 9aa9099 libevent-based http server << let's add mega-dependency crud !1111	[20:52]
guruvan	I got V working, synced and all, just not tried to do a build with it yet	[20:52]
guruvan	more or less tried all the pertinent commands - made sure it seemed set up right	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	alright.	[20:54]
asciilifeform	#6650 4fac576 Obfuscate chainstate << wut.	[20:54]
guruvan	seriously asciilifeform what's up there	[20:54]
guruvan	I was wondering about this when I saw this in the logs today (on classic?)	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform> holy shit, year-old instructions ?!!1 << the link he gave references a log line by me from just before xmas.	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	so a month old.	[20:55]
asciilifeform	hm	[20:55]
asciilifeform	i saw a .sh, assumed pre-v	[20:55]
*	mircea_popescu dials down panic two notches.	[20:56]
asciilifeform	#6351 2a1090d CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY (BIP65) IsSuperMajority() soft-fork << lulz	[20:56]
asciilifeform	#6954 e54ebbf Switch to libsecp256k1-based ECDSA validation << as mentioned earlier by BingoBoingo ?	[20:57]
asciilifeform	#6508 61457c2 Switch to a constant-space Merkle root/branch algorithm. << anybody have the time/energy to look? i don't...	[20:57]
guruvan	there some more docs on the rotor script? this looks like the mojo I'm looking for for the simple docker "whip up a node for testing" builds	[20:57]
asciilifeform	#6210 0e4f2a0 build: disable optional use of gmp in internal secp256k1 build << what's it use instead of gmp ?!!??	[20:58]
asciilifeform	own crackpot bignum ?	[20:58]
asciilifeform	#6619 4862708 depends: bump miniupnpc and ccache << apparently upnp is still in the mix	[20:58]
guruvan	why this is even in the code in the first place is a mystery	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	standard explanation, "it has some pores dept x needs"	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	most of the time it's junk anyway, but hey, bureaucracy prevails!	[21:01]
guruvan	LOL :) some pores compay ABC needs ;)	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	no, more like SHITFACE or DERPSTORM or whatever the fuck.	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	COUNTRYBUMPKIN	[21:02]
*	ben_vulpes is doing the same thing he's been doing for the past three weekends, building a sane development environment on actual metal	[21:02]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: where was it before? emulated in your brain ?	[21:02]
ben_vulpes	'twas not sane.	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform before it was mass produced because five barons couldn't possibly etc.	[21:03]
ben_vulpes	myriad layers of virtualization.	[21:03]
asciilifeform	well you said 'actual metal', so i wondered about the meaning	[21:03]
asciilifeform	aha	[21:03]
ben_vulpes	have built in docker, cloud, etc	[21:03]
asciilifeform	is this the openbsd-on-old-mac thing ?	[21:03]
ben_vulpes	with a mouse, on a house	[21:03]
ben_vulpes	chapter something in the story, yes asciilifeform	[21:04]
ben_vulpes	should have listened to you, but must piss on each and every fence myself.	[21:04]
asciilifeform	iirc BingoBoingo once had something of the sort	[21:04]
asciilifeform	or was it netbsd	[21:04]
ben_vulpes	boost ate shit, tri segfaulted	[21:04]
ben_vulpes	video drivers etc	[21:04]
asciilifeform	!s from:BingoBoingo mac bsd	[21:04]
assbot	2 results for 'from:BingoBoingo mac bsd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3ABingoBoingo+mac+bsd	[21:04]
ben_vulpes	today it's gentoo quest.	[21:05]
ben_vulpes	againstillnowwithgusto	[21:05]
asciilifeform	neato	[21:05]
asciilifeform	oddest beast i ever had gentoo on was a hp pa-risc.	[21:05]
asciilifeform	wasn't 'officially support', no.	[21:06]
ben_vulpes	"why gentoo?" asked $bzprtner, "is that the best linux thing around for working on mega-c projects?" "no, it's simply the least-worst and has a snowflake's chance of working"	[21:06]
ben_vulpes	2 things drove this toolchain rebuild: exwm and tri-on-the-metal.	[21:06]
asciilifeform	https://jreypo.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/d330_view.jpg << one quite like this	[21:06]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/238Z64T )	[21:06]
ben_vulpes	nifty device, asciilifeform	[21:06]
*	ben_vulpes downloading stage three for the...second? third? time today	[21:07]
asciilifeform	55 kg.	[21:07]
asciilifeform	without disks or power supply, iirc.	[21:07]
guruvan	lol - gentoo "a snowflake's chance of working" << probably not much more, but at least you know why it's broken	[21:13]
guruvan	that's on today's agenda is to see why my glibc fails out of the latest portage :P	[21:15]
ben_vulpes	guruvan: what better route forward then? ubuntu 14.04?	[21:20]
guruvan	poh - no - I'm going forward with all my own gentoos :) zomg ubuntu 14.04	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	ah finally found that fucking article!	[21:21]
guruvan	I do use some in some docker images for various purposes, but my heaviest use images are all gentoo based	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	"Marti McCuller, a legally blind Web site developer, was frustrated by her difficulty in navigating through search engines. �My text‑to‑speech software let me read the various search sites,� she said, �but they often put so many links on a page it became hard to use.�	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	That is because the blind, even with text‑reading software, cannot glance at a page. There is no way for them to get a quick visual overview of a site�s contents and make mental notes about where it would be worthwhile clicking and exploring later. Rather, the blind must laboriously click from line to line, determining by a process of elimination where they want to go.	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	As a solution, Ms. McCuller created her own search engine, an amalgam of other search sites that does not force the user to move slowly around the site and wade through advertisements to find the right place to enter a query. Search words are entered at the top of the page, and appropriate links are displayed above all other material as well. Users do not need to tab through extraneous material."	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	https://archive.is/dwSkS#selection-241.0-259.119 << anyone remember how infoseek / altavista etc looked back in the day ?	[21:21]
assbot	The Blind Lead the Sighted: ... ( http://bit.ly/238ZRLa )	[21:21]
guruvan	heh I definitely remember altavista	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	the only practical way to know google didn't fucking invent the un-shat-upon screen is to personally know the devs that had done it before. i suspect this is true of most "genius ideas".	[21:24]
guruvan	once those ideas have sufficient network effect yet	[21:24]
guruvan	yes	[21:24]
punkman	did chetty read c++ via text-to-speech?	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	depends who wrote it / on what system, etc.	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	mostly no.	[21:25]
ben_vulpes	there are excellent reasons for the 80-col law.	[21:26]
punkman	my sympathies to friends, family and eulorean tribes	[21:31]
punkman	did she ever keep a blog, memoirs?	[21:31]
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mircea_popescu	she kept a blog years ago but didn't write much in it. she did write asylum with me, so there's that.	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	not aware that there'd by any memoirs. she was kinda young for that sort of thing.	[21:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @#64; 0.00052172 = 2.8434 BTC [-] {5}	[21:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2020 @#64; 0.00053008 = 1.0708 BTC [+]	[21:49]
shinohai	!s http://shapeshit.io/	[21:51]
assbot	ShapeShift \| The fastest way to swap cryptocurrencies. No account required. ... ( http://bit.ly/2391DMp )	[21:51]
assbot	0 results for 'http://shapeshit.io/' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fshapeshit.io%2F	[21:51]
shinohai	LOL	[21:51]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @#64; 0.00052107 = 2.6575 BTC [-] {4}	[22:07]
ben_vulpes	shapeshit?	[22:09]
shinohai	Someone set up a phishing site LOL via: https://redd.it/41e094	[22:10]
assbot	SCAM WARNING ShapeSHIT.io fake website : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/2392Jrj )	[22:10]
mod6	<+guruvan> mod6: that image I made last night isn't working - there's a fork at block 168000 that it's not liking << yeah this is the original v0.5.3 right?	[22:21]
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mod6	mircea_popescu: hey thanks for putting up your steps in the wiki	[22:37]
mod6	or, whomever did that.	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	i didn't do it. mebbe danielpbarron ? or hanbot ? or pete	[22:45]
mod6	i appreciate it.	[22:52]
danielpbarron	t'was me	[22:56]
danielpbarron	instructions worked for me and i wanted a way to reference them	[22:56]
mod6	o7	[22:56]
phf	ben_vulpes: so i'm running slackware with homebrew for linux. base system comes with most things you need to run linux userspace, and if i want something extra i just build it with brew. old dog new tricks	[22:59]
phf	none of that "rebuilding stage 3 with -O30 -mi868a" bullshit :>	[22:59]
danielpbarron	"blocks" : 346223, btw	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	50k to go	[23:09]
mats	http://time.com/4183442/china-taiwan-tsai-ing-wen-first-female-president	[23:11]
assbot	Taiwan: Tsai Ing-wen Elected as First Female President ... ( http://bit.ly/208MXue )	[23:11]
asciilifeform	https://twitter.com/krislc/status/687943177005838336 << related.	[23:14]
BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374605 << this is actually a good move, and the logical reaction to ascii's ban. << It is, but prolly ought to make sure power ranger nodes don't drop our connecion if we're expecteded to pass some flag while running protocol version 99999	[23:51]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 21:06:37; BingoBoingo: In this version, it is only enforced for peers that send protocol versions >=70011 . For the next major version it is planned that this restriction will be removed. It is recommended to update SPV clients to check for the NODE_BLOOM service bit for nodes that report versions newer than 70011." end powerspam	[23:51]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo "Bitstamp has emailed users stating it has banned access from all IP addresses originating from the Russian Federation access to the Bitcoin exchange." << SHould be fixed	[23:59]

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