Forum logs for 17 Jan 2013

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu in the unwarranted hope i'll settle. which i won't, so that's moot. [00:00]
Bugpowder nyRednek, fiat porfolio performance doesn't look like this, ever. http://i.imgur.com/idoM0.png [00:00]
mircea_popescu jesus. [00:00]
mircea_popescu you know what ? that looks like a ponzi. [00:01]
nyRednek mircea_popescu, well, what i just saw described is securities fraud...one wouldn't need to find a serpentine lawyer to deal with such [00:01]
mircea_popescu nyRednek i don't think you're at all qualified to discuss the topic. [00:01]
Bugpowder read the contract dude [00:01]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder i imagine he can't now, seeing how he wasn't there at the time and prolly doesn't have a copy. [00:01]
Namworld I have a copy [00:02]
Namworld It says almost nothing [00:02]
mircea_popescu someone shoul;d put a copy on pastebin or /we [00:02]
Bugpowder I probably lost more on F.GIGA.ETF then everyone else put together [00:02]
Luke-Jr Bugpowder: just because it's in a contract doesn't make it legal [00:02]
smickles http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/sbvps-delisting-notice/#footnote_3_45492 << woah, what? [00:02]
nyRednek Buglouse, ponzi scheme? [00:02]
mircea_popescu it's funny, cause actually mpoe/mpex largest loss was the ~4k btc in august [00:03]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 577 @ 0.00525471 = 3.032 BTC [+] [00:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.0052977 = 1.3244 BTC [+] [00:03]
mircea_popescu smickles what's the q ? [00:03]
Bugpowder nyRednek, just my personal BTC performance chart [00:03]
Bugpowder mostly due to stock price appreciation [00:03]
nyRednek Buglouse, again, looks like a ponzi started paying [00:04]
Bugpowder missed a few opportunites [00:04]
mircea_popescu poor Buglouse. [00:04]
nyRednek Bugpowder, i mean [00:04]
Bugpowder not ponzi, just supply and demand imbalance [00:04]
Bugpowder which we are seeing RIGHT NOW with S.DICE [00:04]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder no, seriously, it looks totally like a ponzi [00:04]
Bugpowder http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=S.DICE [00:04]
nyRednek mircea_popescu, that's what it looked like to me [00:04]
Bugpowder It is unsustainable for sure [00:05]
mircea_popescu i think the problem with btc finance is that people have a crazy time curve. [00:05]
mircea_popescu nobody wanted to buy at 32 cause o, 10mn stocks. [00:05]
Luke-Jr guess it'll take Erik's arrest to crash S.DICE :/ [00:05]
mircea_popescu then that sold out, little by little, now they pay 50 ?! 60 ? [00:05]
Bugpowder yeah [00:05]
Bugpowder that is the risk [00:05]
mircea_popescu nyRednek it looks the same to me too. it's what it looks like. [00:05]
mircea_popescu Luke-Jr pestering erik atm is the single most damaging thing that can happen to bitcoin. [00:06]
Luke-Jr Bugpowder: it's more of an inevitable certainty than a risk, really [00:06]
Bugpowder passthru's are removing stock from the market [00:06]
Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: no, Erik is damaging to bitcoin [00:06]
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mircea_popescu Luke-Jr i don't mean the imaginary bitcoin you jack off to. [00:06]
mircea_popescu i mean the actual, useful thing. [00:06]
Bugpowder Luke-Jr I wouldn't say inevitable. but definitely possible [00:06]
Luke-Jr Bugpowder: he's in New York. running an online gambling site. openly. as he writes anti-government rants. [00:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00569016 = 1.707 BTC [+] [00:07]
Luke-Jr Bugpowder: how is that NOT inevitable? [00:07]
mircea_popescu thought he was in nh [00:07]
Bugpowder WOW [00:07]
nyRednek Luke-Jr, oh, he's going to prison [00:07]
nyRednek Luke-Jr, not a question of if, but when [00:07]
Bugpowder its bitcoin [00:07]
mircea_popescu what's with you people and prison. [00:07]
smickles really? satoshidice isn't a 'merican company? [00:07]
mircea_popescu there's this penitentiary obsession in the us or what [00:07]
Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: I'm pretty sure you're the minority anarchist nutcase. [00:07]
smickles why would the operator go to prison? [00:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00569016 = 5.6902 BTC [+] [00:07]
Bugpowder linden dollars are convertible [00:07]
Luke-Jr smickles: NY is America… [00:08]
nyRednek smickles, promoting gambling is a federal offense [00:08]
mircea_popescu Luke-Jr that certainty is easy to reach if you stick to people who agree with you. [00:08]
Luke-Jr Bugpowder: which is why Linden Labs had to remove all random from Second Life [00:08]
nyRednek smickles, doesn't matter where the company is based [00:08]
smickles Luke-Jr: but satoshidice is registered in ireland or something like that [00:08]
Luke-Jr smickles: I doubt anyone cares. [00:08]
nyRednek smickles, doesn't matter if the online gambling is legal in jurisdiction that it is based in [00:08]
Bugpowder I love how the price keeps going up during this discussion [00:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00569016 = 2.8451 BTC [+] [00:08]
Bugpowder !ticker m s.dice [00:09]
nyRednek smickles, if an american promotes online gambling in any way, it is a federal offense [00:09]
assbot [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00454703 / 0.00477482 / 0.00569016 (1080790 shares, 5,160.58 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.0047035 / 0.00569016 (2770063 shares, 13,029.00 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.0037207 / 0.00569016 (11858048 shares, 44,120.28 BTC) [00:09]
mircea_popescu nyRednek do you really think anyone cares what the us thinks about anything ? [00:09]
nyRednek mircea_popescu, well, american residents should [00:09]
smickles nyRednek: can you point me to that law pleas :) [00:09]
Luke-Jr nyRednek: srsly? [00:09]
Bugpowder nyRednek, federal or state? [00:09]
nyRednek Bugpowder, federal [00:09]
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mircea_popescu Bugpowder he's confused. there's the using banking for gambling federal thing. [00:09]
Bugpowder The NY dude that got arrested recently was state [00:09]
Luke-Jr nyRednek: so like, if I tell people about other not-DDoSing-Bitcoin gambling sites to use instead of SD, I'm in trouble? :o [00:09]
nyRednek Luke-Jr, maybe [00:10]
mircea_popescu Luke-Jr not rly. but you won't go anywhere. the model works like this because it's sound like this. [00:10]
mircea_popescu this is what bitcoin exists to do. [00:10]
mircea_popescu you coder people, instead of arguing with your implicit boss, should just stfu and go to work [00:10]
nyRednek a guy was arrested recently who just sold software to gambling sites [00:10]
mircea_popescu to make what needs to be done be done. [00:10]
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mircea_popescu nyRednek that was the most embarrasing botched conspiracy to pervert the course of justice ever [00:10]
mircea_popescu it wouldn't surprise me if the das involved end up in jail. [00:11]
Bugpowder law I believe [00:11]
nyRednek mircea_popescu, it doesn't work that way here [00:11]
smickles no link or code # for the law? [00:11]
Bugpowder NY though [00:11]
mircea_popescu nyRednek how would you know how it works there ? [00:11]
Bugpowder inden_Lab_Official:Policy_Regarding_Wagering_in_Second_Life [00:11]
Bugpowder that was state [00:11]
Bugpowder http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Policy_Regarding_Wagering_in_Second_Life [00:11]
Bugpowder yeah [00:11]
Bugpowder oops [00:11]
nyRednek mircea_popescu, i've been on the receiving end of ill-executed criminal justice efforts [00:12]
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Luke-Jr Bugpowder: FBI basically forced that FWIW [00:12]
mircea_popescu eyah, well, that may not give you the best perspective i guess. [00:12]
nyRednek mircea_popescu, and beat it [00:12]
smickles also, arrested/shut down != illegal [00:12]
mircea_popescu not particularly hard a thing to do, but certainly exhilirating in any case. [00:12]
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nyRednek mircea_popescu, any attorney who acts "in good faith" is covered under sovereign immunity [00:13]
mircea_popescu if he acts in good faith [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00065568 = 9.114 BTC [-] [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00065423 = 3.402 BTC [-] [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 83 @ 0.00569017 = 0.4723 BTC [+] [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00569016 = 1.138 BTC [-] [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00539589 = 2.6979 BTC [-] [00:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 217 @ 0.00539588 = 1.1709 BTC [-] [00:13]
Bugpowder DUMP [00:13]
nyRednek "in good faith" is hard to disprove [00:13]
mircea_popescu threatening a honest citizen with unwarranted prosecution if he refuses to break the law will be a tough sell as good faith. [00:14]
mircea_popescu and good faith is not always presumed. [00:14]
nyRednek mircea_popescu, and is generally established by affidavit [00:14]
mircea_popescu anyway. that arrest is possibly the worst setback for gambling prosecution in the past year or two. [00:14]
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mircea_popescu wait. [00:15]
mircea_popescu it sold DOWN from 65 ? [00:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1650 @ 0.00546657 = 9.0198 BTC [+] [00:15]
mircea_popescu motherfucker wow. [00:15]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder update in the ponzi graph ? lol [00:15]
Bugpowder naw it got fucked up [00:16]
Bugpowder I cornered the market this morning [00:16]
Bugpowder then fatfingered it all away [00:16]
Bugpowder not all [00:16]
nyRednek yeah, dumping s.dice through my proxy, as well...give it an hour and it'll be a little lower [00:16]
Bugpowder but a lot [00:16]
smickles nyRednek: did you mean 31 USC section 5361ish? [00:17]
nyRednek smickles, sounds right [00:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.005807 = 2.9035 BTC [+] [00:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3100 @ 0.0058077 = 18.0039 BTC [+] [00:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6400 @ 0.00598999 = 38.3359 BTC [+] [00:17]
Bugpowder o-) [00:17]
mircea_popescu http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=S.DICE [00:17]
mircea_popescu that looks epic, srsly. [00:17]
smickles nyRednek: i'm looking thru it again, but that doesn't make it illegal to promote gambling [00:18]
Bugpowder so does this [00:18]
Bugpowder http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.DICE [00:18]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder remember that 18 dump ? [00:18]
Bugpowder yah [00:18]
mircea_popescu man... [00:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00065423 = 7.033 BTC [-] [00:19]
smickles nyRednek: it makes it illeagal to accept money for online gambling, it seems [00:19]
Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: j/w, but why do you care about what contracts say at all? [00:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00064989 = 3.217 BTC [-] [00:20]
smickles and is the only federal online gambling law i've yet read [00:20]
mircea_popescu Luke-Jr http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/gpg-contracts/ [00:20]
mircea_popescu it's an entire philosophy [00:20]
nyRednek smickles, current prosecution is going after software vendors who code software used by online gambling sites [00:20]
Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: tl;dr [00:20]
mircea_popescu well if you tl;dr you won't know. [00:20]
smickles nyRednek: not under that law, i'm sure [00:20]
Luke-Jr I'm not curious enough to read that long thing [00:21]
Luke-Jr which seems to be focussed on more than just the question [00:21]
mircea_popescu no biggy [00:21]
smickles can you help me find the law that those people are breaking? [00:21]
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nyRednek smickles, i'll look, it might actually be in the new york code [00:21]
mircea_popescu smickles his generalisation is unwarranted. one particular da's dirty got blown in the open is all. [00:21]
nyRednek cause it's being prosecuted here in NY [00:21]
Bugpowder_ yes [00:21]
Bugpowder_ that is what i said [00:21]
Bugpowder_ 5 minutes ago [00:21]
smickles nyRednek: wait, NY is shutting down an AZ company? [00:22]
smickles wtf? [00:22]
smickles why don't they just keep doing business [00:22]
Bugpowder_ !ticker m s.dice [00:22]
assbot [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00454703 / 0.00478731 / 0.00598999 (1087457 shares, 5,206.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00470862 / 0.00598999 (2782713 shares, 13,102.74 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00372295 / 0.00598999 (11870698 shares, 44,194.02 BTC) [00:22]
smickles it'd have to be a federal law [00:22]
mircea_popescu smickles i presume cause nobody wants to do business with them anymore because nobody's sure if they have or haven't backdoored [00:22]
dub since when has law been a basis for the justice system anyway? [00:22]
smickles mircea_popescu: the article i just skimmed said that the ny judge 'shut them down' [00:23]
smickles 'legally' [00:23]
mircea_popescu um ? [00:23]
dub next you'll tell me there are constitutional rights or something euqlly crazy [00:23]
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mircea_popescu dub yes, you have the right to free rectal examinations with any airline ticked bought. [00:23]
mircea_popescu think of the children. [00:23]
dub oh they were [00:23]
mircea_popescu has anyone noticed the big move today, ie germany taking its gold back from ny ? [00:24]
nyRednek smickles, i was assuming it was a federal law, as well, due to the interstate nature of the order [00:24]
dub gold, pff, call me when they take the palladium [00:24]
mircea_popescu why ? [00:25]
dub cheap pirate joke [00:25]
nyRednek well, gold is worth more than platinum atm, so...yeah [00:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11510 @ 0.00066014 = 7.5982 BTC [+] [00:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11474 @ 0.00066181 = 7.5936 BTC [+] [00:26]
dub palladium is the new hotness with the hookers and blow set [00:26]
mircea_popescu "I've survived entirely on bitcoin for a whole year. " [00:26]
mircea_popescu dude this is getting old. [00:26]
mircea_popescu bitcoin scammer runs off with w/e [00:26]
mircea_popescu then three, six months later is back [00:27]
smickles nyRednek: http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2012/12/StuartIndictment_BillofParticulars.pdf [00:27]
mircea_popescu "o, sorry, i has no marketable skills other than selling you ppl's bitcoinz. pls to take me back" [00:27]
mircea_popescu what the fuck is this shit! [00:27]
dub its MNW [00:27]
dub enough said [00:27]
mircea_popescu lambert was here recently too [00:27]
mircea_popescu sorta smarmy on the forum, giving opinions [00:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11934 @ 0.00066181 = 7.898 BTC [+] [00:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1533 @ 0.00066182 = 1.0146 BTC [+] [00:28]
mircea_popescu in six months muppets a la eskimoblob will be all pleased to interact and exchange opinions and pats on the back [00:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 933 @ 0.00066525 = 0.6207 BTC [+] [00:28]
mircea_popescu ridiculous. [00:28]
dub PH has been posting around under ppt-pr [00:28]
mircea_popescu right. [00:28]
mircea_popescu it's like... pfff. [00:28]
smickles nyRednek: so it's ny pen. law 225.10 [00:29]
smickles not federal law [00:29]
mircea_popescu That brings me to the final point. I initially intended to teach the community a lesson about trust, I did not expect anyone to really take the bets and thus I did not expect to keep any profits. As the bets grew though, I was tempted with greed and I fell into a trap. [00:29]
nyRednek smickles, right...looks like that's the search warrant [00:29]
mircea_popescu fucking ridiculous narrative. from 1910 onwards, the same soup of the puritan-contrite criminal [00:29]
mircea_popescu "o, i fell into a trap" [00:29]
mircea_popescu he fell into his mother. [00:30]
Bugpowder_ he should probably be arrested under ny pen. law 225.10 [00:30]
JWU_42 had to down rate rg [00:30]
JWU_42 after seeing the delisting announcement [00:31]
mircea_popescu that's a point [00:31]
MadSweeney makomk malaimo markedathome maximian midnightmagic MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mod6 [00:31]
mircea_popescu ;;eauth mircea_popescu [00:31]
gribble Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452 [00:31]
jcpham ;;unrate rg [00:31]
gribble Successfully removed your rating for rg. [00:31]
smickles mircea_popescu: did rg actually release his keys? [00:31]
mircea_popescu ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:f3a98fc18f7f44dfc4e108c87e1cfd5aa354d8f1497ec4c17d11c7e2 [00:31]
gribble You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452 [00:31]
mircea_popescu smickles from what i heard. [00:31]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.43 = 1.29 BTC [-] [00:31]
mircea_popescu ;;rate rg -1 from what I understand person no longer has sole control of private key. [00:32]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user rg has changed from 3 to -1. [00:32]
smickles mircea_popescu: he'd have to have, for arji and them to pay divs, right? [00:32]
mircea_popescu smickles logically, yes. [00:32]
smickles ;;rate rg -10 gave away his private keys [00:32]
gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the rating system. [00:32]
mircea_popescu smickles mind that the system dioes not actually verify ownership [00:32]
mircea_popescu it's not hard proof in that sense. [00:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 9761 @ 0.00130005 = 12.6898 BTC [-] [00:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 739 @ 0.0002 = 0.1478 BTC [-] [00:33]
Bugpowder_ YAY1 [00:34]
mircea_popescu what, you were buying ? [00:34]
Bugpowder_ was waiting to see if the .0002 would get hit [00:34]
Bugpowder_ f no [00:34]
Bugpowder_ just like to see the last gasp of a dying creature [00:34]
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mircea_popescu !ticker m s.bvps [00:34]
assbot [MPEX:S.BVPS] 1D: 0.0002 / 0.00122262 / 0.00130005 (10500 shares, 12.84 BTC), 7D: 0.0002 / 0.00131668 / 0.00635541 (10696 shares, 14.08 BTC), 30D: 0.0002 / 0.00243135 / 0.00635541 (23929 shares, 58.18 BTC) [00:34]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 1 @ 0.0433 BTC [+] [00:34]
mod6 ;;unrate rg [00:35]
gribble Successfully removed your rating for rg. [00:35]
smickles arij: how were ya'll able to pay s.bvps dividends? [00:35]
arij For December? [00:36]
smickles well, at all. I mean how were you able to run the command on mpex? [00:36]
smickles it's something that just recently poped on my interest meter [00:36]
mircea_popescu ny has some funny class e felonies. "Promoting a suicide attempt". "Stalking in the second degree". "Abortion in the second degree". "Female genital mutilation". "Substitution of children". "Computer trespass". "Welfare fraud in the fourth degree". [00:37]
mircea_popescu etc [00:37]
dub substitution of children? [00:37]
mircea_popescu Rent gouging, Unlawfully concealing a will, Unlawful possession of personal identification information in the second degree [00:37]
arij Nam was taking care of that, I've never personally used mpex [00:37]
mircea_popescu Rewarding official misconduct in the second degree. like what, voting ? [00:37]
Namworld smickles: rg gave his gpg keys [00:38]
mircea_popescu http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/e_felonies.htm list really kicks ass. [00:38]
dub theres some bylaw in our capital that hotels must provide horse tethering facilities [00:38]
smickles Namworld: ah, that's too bad [00:38]
mircea_popescu Unlawfully dealing with fireworks [00:38]
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jcpham that means he has no interest in WoT [00:38]
smickles ;;eauth [00:38]
gribble (eauth ) -- Initiate authentication for user . You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes. [00:38]
smickles ;;eauth smickles [00:38]
gribble Request successful for user smickles, hostmask smickles!~smickles@mostofmany.com. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/EA62D7CEB2450C3F [00:38]
Namworld He's gone gone [00:38]
mircea_popescu jcpham pretty crazy, isn't it. [00:38]
mod6 what keys [00:38]
jcpham yes [00:38]
smickles ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:8926d9daa6911895a4b7dfc67516b590f01432eae6b601b77780a3c8 [00:39]
gribble You are now authenticated for user smickles with key EA62D7CEB2450C3F [00:39]
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mod6 err, sorry. what keys were given out? i've been ill so im just trying to catch up [00:39]
jcpham the private key to his gpg identity [00:39]
mod6 wat [00:39]
smickles ;;rate rg -10 gave away his private key [00:39]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user rg has changed from 2 to -10. [00:39]
nyRednek ;;getrating rg [00:39]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User rg, rated since Sun Jun 5 10:39:49 2011. Cumulative rating 321, from 159 total ratings. Received ratings: 156 positive, 3 negative. Sent ratings: 148 positive, 17 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=rg [00:39]
mircea_popescu nyRednek he was well known for a long time. [00:40]
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nyRednek mircea_popescu, so it seems [00:40]
nyRednek so which security is he running? [00:40]
arij He can easily verify his identity and get a new gpg key [00:40]
smickles Namworld, arij i'd like you know that I don't fault you guys for using the keys tho [00:40]
mircea_popescu was, s.bvps [00:40]
arij No need to neg rate :/ [00:41]
jcpham i unrate drama cases [00:41]
jcpham sad news though about thgpg key [00:41]
jcpham he was in -otc the other day [00:42]
jcpham grubles too [00:42]
mircea_popescu i guess people just don't realise that's the absolute limit of what you can't do. [00:42]
mod6 yeah i saw that [00:42]
jcpham i bought some silver from grubles [00:42]
jcpham after i made him auth [00:43]
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mod6 ;;rate rg -5 Gave away private key to WoT account. And this: http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/sbvps-delisting-notice [00:43]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of -5 for user rg has been recorded. [00:43]
mod6 That's the first neg rating i've given out. I'd like to hear from rg about all of this though. [00:44]
dub I doubt he gives a shit [00:44]
smickles the whole idea of using gpg with the wot revolved around contracts, if he gave his personal signing ability to someone else, i can't be sure that any contract I sign with that key has ever been "real" [00:44]
jcpham right [00:44]
mod6 totally [00:44]
jcpham big no-no [00:45]
mircea_popescu yeah, keeping private keys private is capital. [00:45]
mod6 without that, we're lost [00:45]
Namworld He gave it strictly on account he had to leave BitVPS to someone else. [00:45]
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mircea_popescu Namworld i understand there's no ill will. [00:45]
jcpham no one is blaming you guys [00:45]
jcpham rg should've known better or known the ramications [00:45]
arij D: [00:45]
jcpham should the WoT discover this [00:46]
smickles mircea_popescu: couldn't the account priviges have been transferred? [00:46]
mircea_popescu jcpham or at least asked. [00:46]
smickles (to another key) [00:46]
mod6 did he just hand it over so you could access his mpex account with the remaining shares? [00:46]
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mircea_popescu smickles no. that's the entire idea of mpex. that you can't just pass things around. [00:46]
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Namworld mod6, pretty much [00:46]
mircea_popescu you make a company, it's yours. shareholders can't kick you out. you can't "sell" your interest. [00:46]
mircea_popescu company may be acquired, sure, but as a corp merger or somesuch. [00:46]
mod6 ahh. he should have just used PUSH and he could have avoided a lot of issues [00:47]
Namworld What about dividends? [00:47]
mircea_popescu mod6 basically he decided he'll do something that couldn't be done contractually [00:47]
mircea_popescu and just charged ahead with it. [00:47]
mod6 :( [00:47]
mircea_popescu which is possibly the only part i'd complain about it. not like im not fucking here all the rtime [00:47]
mircea_popescu or i charge a bitcoin per line to advise or anything. [00:47]
mod6 yeah, everything that happened wasn't really allowed by the contract [00:47]
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MadSweeney makomk malaimo markedathome maximian midnightmagic MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mod6 [00:48]
mircea_popescu so just how fucking hard it is to go /query mircea_popescu hey dude here's what i want to do, does it work how should i do it [00:48]
mod6 right. everytime i have a question or something, you're there pretty quick to help [00:48]
mod6 i don't know what the problem was there [00:48]
mircea_popescu i imagine a large part of the problem was that bvps suddenly seemed very small, in btc terms [00:49]
mircea_popescu and so not really a priority or anything [00:49]
smickles nyRednek: in order for that software dev to be convicted, the code he wrote would have to be 'bookmaking' (in the gambling sense ) software [00:50]
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smickles or [00:51]
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smickles apparently, reciving gambled money is promoting gambling in the first degree [00:51]
Bugpowder_ he made a tool that allows others to run a site [00:52]
smickles i wonder if that means that any shareholder of S.DICE is breaking this law [00:52]
Bugpowder_ DA can charge [00:52]
Bugpowder_ can he convict? [00:52]
Bugpowder_ most people don't want to take the risk [00:52]
Bugpowder_ of a fight [00:52]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder_ which is how the system works, over there. [00:52]
smickles also, did you notice that not talking to the cops can get you convicted of murder? [00:53]
smickles well, it's up to the supreme court anyway [00:53]
mircea_popescu o they picked it ?! [00:53]
nyRednek smickles, one or the other, i'm not following the case as closely as i should, tbh [00:53]
smickles boils down to a cop saying "hey, your not under arrest, but is it possible that those shotgunshells at the murder scene are yours?" [00:54]
smickles you don't answer, your're a murder [00:54]
smickles *er [00:54]
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mircea_popescu lol [00:54]
mircea_popescu wtf bs is that ? [00:54]
nyRednek Bugpowder_, new york jurors don't have as much reasonable doubt as one should, tbh [00:54]
smickles the bs is they say it's not covered by the 5th b/c he wasn't under arrest YET [00:54]
mircea_popescu AHAHAHA [00:55]
mircea_popescu anyone actually takes that seriously ? [00:55]
nyRednek smickles, sounds about right [00:55]
dub this is why we don't live in 'murica [00:55]
mircea_popescu i guess that's why they like a lot of them "low information voters" around. [00:55]
nyRednek smickles, also, in indiana, cops don't have to knock and announce before executing a search warrant [00:55]
smickles now i'm spooked by the last time I was pulled over, and didn't say a wort to the cop [00:55]
dub lol what did you do? [00:56]
smickles nyRednek: in missouri they come in and shoot your pomeranian [00:56]
mircea_popescu he was transporting a 720lb torpedo [00:56]
nyRednek smickles, the best vague answer, "i don't know what you're talking about, officer" [00:56]
mircea_popescu atop his converted dodge [00:56]
smickles dub: I was driving [00:56]
dub smickles: yeah what did you do during the interaction [00:56]
dub you just handed over ID and pretended to be mute? [00:57]
smickles dub: politely smiled and let him talk [00:57]
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mircea_popescu i wonder what sort of misdemeanor it is if you just jack off while the cop tries to talk to you [00:57]
nyRednek mircea_popescu, that's disorderly conduct [00:57]
jcpham public indecency i suppose [00:57]
dub mircea_popescu: rape no doubt [00:57]
mircea_popescu nyRednek i would have imagined not speaking english is disorderly conduct [00:57]
smickles dub: he claimed that I had a tail light out, it wasn't true, so he gave me an 'unwritten warning' [00:58]
mircea_popescu (or spanish) [00:58]
jcpham definitely rape if semen touches the cop [00:58]
mircea_popescu jcpham what if clothes but no cop ? [00:58]
nyRednek well, in NYC, it's disorderly conduct...it's assaulting an officer if semen touches [00:58]
mircea_popescu improper textile soiling in the 3rd degree ? [00:58]
jcpham clothes might count [00:58]
dub mircea_popescu: unlicensed sperm odnation [00:58]
nyRednek same as spitting on a cop...assault [00:58]
dub donation* [00:58]
jcpham maybe the clothes is just sexual assault [00:58]
jcpham i think ejaculating on an officer might be felony territory [00:59]
smickles WTF is this zamboni game on google?!? [00:59]
mircea_popescu i would guess it'd depend if they enjoyed it [00:59]
jcpham ha [00:59]
nyRednek felonious assault of an officer [00:59]
nyRednek same as screaming, "i'm gonna fuck you up, piggy" [01:00]
mircea_popescu the lonious assault of an officer if you play that shit too loud [01:00]
dub smickles: I asked my canukistani friend if it signified anything, apparently not [01:00]
mircea_popescu threatening is assault now ? [01:00]
nyRednek mircea_popescu, threatening has always been assault [01:01]
dub yeah [01:01]
nyRednek mircea_popescu, when you strike, it's battery [01:01]
mircea_popescu apprehension yeah [01:01]
smickles it has to be an earnest threat to be assult tho [01:01]
mircea_popescu right you are. [01:01]
smickles otherwise, it's bullying [01:02]
jcpham like if i threaten to kill you i need to own a weapon first? [01:02]
jcpham or the threat of death is enough [01:02]
smickles which is usually illegal now too (bullying) [01:02]
jcpham :-) [01:02]
nyRednek jcpham, threat of death is enough for assault, terroristic threatening [01:02]
nyRednek smickles, that was a stupid law that apportioned activity that was already covered by the penal code [01:02]
jcpham but what if i have down's syndrome and i'm not actually a threat [01:03]
mircea_popescu think of the children! [01:03]
smickles jcpham: well, as I understand it, you can threaten to kill all you want if its a joke, but proving it's a joke can be tricky in some situations [01:03]
nyRednek redundant sections of the penal code should be excised [01:03]
jcpham i've never made a death threat that i know of [01:04]
smickles nyRednek: you suffer from the is/ought distinction [01:04]
smickles jcpham: you threatent to pay me once, i've got it in writing [01:04]
nyRednek redundant sections of law in general need to be excised, at all levels [01:04]
smickles iirc, you made good on the threat too :P [01:04]
jcpham payment threats [01:04]
mircea_popescu nyRednek ideally, the law should fit in fifty pages. [01:04]
mircea_popescu that's how i'd have it. you want to make a new law ? gotta wipe old one first, make space. [01:05]
mircea_popescu you get 64kb. [01:05]
nyRednek mircea_popescu, maybe not fifty pages, but less than a full library of volumes [01:05]
mircea_popescu fifty pages [01:05]
jcpham all lwas ought to fit in 640k of RAM [01:05]
mircea_popescu so that highschoolers can be required to know the whole law by heard [01:05]
mircea_popescu or else not graduate. [01:05]
smickles mircea_popescu: then law will grow at a rate = to compression tech [01:05]
mircea_popescu compression is finite. [01:05]
mircea_popescu and also not allowed. [01:05]
nyRednek hell, definitions don't fit in 50 pages [01:06]
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mircea_popescu 64kb of [azAz09.-] [01:06]
mircea_popescu nyRednek tough. [01:06]
smickles noone yet congratulated me on my creation of another person :| [01:07]
mircea_popescu o ? [01:07]
mircea_popescu congrats! [01:07]
mircea_popescu cigar or no cigar ? [01:07]
nyRednek hell, the 1783 treaty of paris didn't fit in 50 pages [01:08]
mircea_popescu nyRednek tough. [01:08]
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smickles mircea_popescu: http://starpas.azcc.gov/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/names-detail.p?name-id=L18030781&type=L.L.C. [01:08]
nyRednek smickles, i've done it a few times, you have my sympathies [01:08]
mircea_popescu if ignorance of the law is no defence then the law fits in 64kb [01:08]
mircea_popescu smickles a hehe that kind. well grats nonetheless [01:08]
smickles :D [01:08]
smickles the next real person should be coming around may [01:09]
mircea_popescu let people add to the 64kb through private contract if they want to. [01:09]
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smickles and a cigar would be in order if all goes well [01:09]
nyRednek oh, contract law is an entirely new matter [01:09]
nyRednek as is common law [01:09]
nyRednek and case law [01:09]
nyRednek case law being precedent set by court rulings as to the proper interpretation of law [01:10]
smickles i don't like that idea [01:10]
nyRednek smickles, which idea? [01:11]
nyRednek many of our legal conventions are handed down by precedent [01:11]
smickles that the first interpretation should necessarily affect any following [01:11]
nyRednek unless you live under napoleonic code, which throws legal precedent out the window [01:12]
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smickles mircea_popescu: that's romania, right? [01:12]
smickles vampires and such [01:12]
nyRednek smickles, but, in reality, the english system follows the construct of legal precedent [01:12]
nyRednek smickles, otherwise, we'd have no interpreted right to privacy [01:13]
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mircea_popescu most of europe, including romania yes. [01:13]
mircea_popescu but there's still a version of precedent used, just... differently. [01:13]
jcpham smickles you got your license on my birthday [01:15]
jcpham you don't have to thank me though [01:15]
nyRednek iirc, doe v bolton, 1973 [01:15]
smickles jcpham: It will foever be known as jcpham day in the company by-laws [01:16]
jcpham hahaha [01:16]
smickles also, there's no business license yet, the company had to be formed before it could see one of those [01:17]
smickles there's a federal tax id tho [01:17]
smickles s/see/seek/ [01:17]
jcpham cool beans [01:17]
mod6 nice smickles! [01:19]
mod6 (on the LLC) [01:19]
nyRednek sorry, it was row v wade, 1973 [01:19]
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mircea_popescu heh you mean that wasn't just bait ? [01:21]
smickles mod6: thanks :) [01:21]
smickles nyRednek: that's privacy extending from property rights tho, isn't it? [01:22]
nyRednek smickles, i believe, so [01:22]
nyRednek smickles, the 14th amendment was referenced, so maybe not [01:23]
nyRednek the 14th amendment deals mainly with citizenship [01:24]
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smickles "nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" [01:25]
smickles it specifically says property tho [01:25]
mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/3zWPK.jpg [01:25]
mircea_popescu this is rich [01:25]
smickles mircea_popescu: the department of homland security suggests that you uninstall and not use java [01:26]
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mircea_popescu why thanks very much to the dept of who the fuck asked them [01:26]
smickles nyRednek: so my view of it from that perspective is that you only have privacy in so much as the state isn't allowed to do things why render your ownership of property meaningless [01:27]
mircea_popescu are they coming up with those booklets on spouse selection already ? [01:27]
jcpham oh wait i can select another spouse [01:27]
jcpham or an additional spouse [01:27]
jcpham do i get to share than revenue stream also? [01:27]
nyRednek smickles, also, katz v united states, 1967 [01:28]
nyRednek regarding unwarranted wiretapping [01:28]
nyRednek referencing 4th and 5th amendments [01:28]
mircea_popescu jcpham surely [01:29]
nyRednek smickles, also, right to privacy preventing illegal search/seizure, and self-incrimination [01:29]
nyRednek smickles, i'm thinking it's more the liberty thing...the state is depriving you of liberty by snooping on you(privacy is a safeguard of free speech) [01:31]
nyRednek the security issues regarding java have been many, so i tend to agree with OHS on this one [01:33]
mircea_popescu nyRednek the point is the homeland security thing has no business discussing this, or pretty much any other matter. [01:35]
mircea_popescu their job is pretty much getting tsa dismantled already and then going away in the sunset. [01:35]
nyRednek mircea_popescu, OSA is a large and wide-reaching organization...this is very much their business [01:37]
nyRednek OHS, rather [01:37]
nyRednek too many three letter names [01:37]
mircea_popescu right, it works in practice as a sort of soviet commisariat of the people's soviets bla bla [01:38]
nyRednek tsa is just one of their subordinate agencies [01:38]
mircea_popescu but it's mandate legally is exactly that : to dismantle the tsa and go away. [01:38]
nyRednek the fbi is another of their subordinate agencies [01:38]
nyRednek so is ice [01:38]
nyRednek its mandate is much more than dismantle tsa [01:38]
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mircea_popescu really sad to watch (from a safe distance, blesfully) what's happening to that country. [01:39]
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nyRednek here's the sad thing to watch...the US is the world's largest economy...if it falls, how well do you think the EU or the PRC will do in the ashes? [01:39]
nyRednek i mean the ashes of what used to be the US's GDP [01:40]
mircea_popescu it's neither the world's largest economy [01:40]
mircea_popescu nor actually providing anything of value [01:40]
mircea_popescu the world won't notice. [01:40]
mircea_popescu the delusions to the contrary are actually part of the "sad". [01:40]
nyRednek the US has the world's largest GDP, and nations such as PRC depend on consumption by US [01:41]
dub does dhs know that java is patched? [01:41]
mircea_popescu this is nonsense [01:41]
mircea_popescu no producer "depends" on consumption by anyone. [01:41]
dub or is it a case of sun fucked up one too many times and are written off [01:41]
mircea_popescu dub they just wish to opine. [01:41]
thestringpuller sun is dead [01:41]
nyRednek mircea_popescu, actually, producers need consumers to buy products [01:41]
mircea_popescu and isn't dhs the dept of welfare i mean human services ? [01:41]
dub oracle w/e [01:41]
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nyRednek mircea_popescu, it's backwards to think otherwise [01:42]
mircea_popescu nyRednek that's nonsense. producers need noone [01:42]
mircea_popescu consumers need producers. [01:42]
iz dub: it's not really patched [01:42]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: comsumes women thus he needs mothers [01:42]
iz so far they have released 2 different "patches" that "fix" the same vuln, but not really [01:42]
mircea_popescu iz 3rds a charm [01:42]
iz haha [01:42]
nyRednek mircea_popescu, let's put it this way, kodak failed because...? [01:43]
mircea_popescu because it wasn't producing anything. [01:43]
nyRednek mircea_popescu, they produced a lot of film and cameras... [01:43]
nyRednek mircea_popescu, that's not true [01:43]
mircea_popescu no. they produced a lot of useless junk. [01:43]
mircea_popescu course it's true. [01:43]
iz also, if you consider the EU as it's own entity, it's got greater GDP than USA, right? [01:43]
jcpham kodak is a much more interesting beast [01:43]
mircea_popescu if you make a huge company "producing" "art" you will fail too [01:43]
nyRednek iz, not yet, it doesn't [01:43]
iz nyRednek: look at the numbers for 2011 [01:44]
mircea_popescu iz if you discount imaginary/funny money [01:44]
mircea_popescu the us is about on par with pakistan atm. [01:44]
mircea_popescu per capita income in the 100-1000 range. [01:44]
nyRednek iz, well, as of 2010 it wasn't, let me check [01:44]
mircea_popescu and for that matter, i too can write 10000000000000000 dollah on pieces of paper and trade it back and forth with the girls [01:44]
iz nyRednek: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal) [01:44]
mircea_popescu that won't make my harem the world's largest economy [01:44]
iz here's a listing per capita (for all ranges) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita [01:46]
nyRednek iz, by 2.6 quadrillion, yep, the EU has surpassed the US [01:46]
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nyRednek iz, you're right...well, the SECOND largest world economy [01:46]
iz whoops, i meant this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita [01:46]
mircea_popescu soon to be the tenth. [01:46]
iz mircea_popescu: great, maybe finally we won't be too big to fail [01:47]
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iz and we can pull an iceland [01:47]
nyRednek guys, let me know when mircea_popescu stops talking out of its ass so i can unignore [01:47]
mircea_popescu i'd be willing to take bets that by 2015 the us economy will actually be smaller than germany's economy. [01:47]
mircea_popescu sadly there's no actual way to measure. [01:47]
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iz mircea_popescu: yeah, cuz the germans use metric and the us doesn't :b [01:48]
mircea_popescu key element :D [01:48]
mircea_popescu but i am kinda amused at the newb krugerite coming here and giving me advice about mpex and then getting offended when i don't happen to share his ignorance of economy. [01:48]
mircea_popescu this incidentally is exactly why i wouldn't buy the whole us for five bitcoins right now : pretty much made up entirely of this sort of stupid. [01:49]
mircea_popescu sure, there's exception. too much molasses around them to have a chance. [01:49]
thestringpuller cynical much? [01:50]
mircea_popescu kinda, yeah. [01:50]
nyRednek sorry, 2.6 trillion [01:50]
nyRednek iz, as far as it goes, though, one of the top four players fall, the whole world suffers... [01:50]
dub literally pocket change [01:51]
kakobrekla the more the world goes to shit, the better for bitcoin [01:51]
nyRednek so the us dollar and the euro are pretty critical to gobal economic health [01:51]
iz yeah, i'd tend to agree [01:51]
nyRednek global [01:51]
nyRednek!*@* added to ignore list. [01:51]
iz that's why iceland was able to do what they did.. just ignore all the debt, right? [01:51]
iz because they weren't in the top 3-4, they can do that and everyone else just absorbs the costs [01:52]
mircea_popescu iz i guess mostly cause they were small. [01:52]
iz exactly [01:52]
mircea_popescu and people didn;t want to argue with them for the obvious reason of publicity. [01:52]
mircea_popescu ie, others may see they actually have a point. [01:52]
iz i hate it when ppl try to argue with me that the US should have just followed iceland's lead and let all the banks fail instead of bailing them out [01:52]
mircea_popescu why ? [01:52]
mircea_popescu i happen to think the same thing. [01:52]
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mircea_popescu course, this in retrospect. [01:52]
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mircea_popescu i can see why they tried, at the time, and why they couldn't stop, after they tried. [01:53]
thestringpuller too big to fail [01:53]
iz really? well, it seems to me like that's something that only countries w/ small economies can do [01:53]
mircea_popescu so it's not really a "should have". more like a, that'd have been retrospectively the correct path [01:53]
mircea_popescu iz why ? [01:53]
iz because someone has to foot the bill [01:53]
iz and it ends up being all the other contries that participate in the world economy, right? [01:53]
mircea_popescu it's just ego. no us politician can actually man up and say "listen, we fucked up. we were wriong. [01:54]
mircea_popescu welfare does not work, what we were trying to build doesn't work [01:54]
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mircea_popescu you are all lazy bums and thieves, [01:54]
iz if the biggest country tries to do this, they rest of they can't absorb that much loss that quickly [01:54]
mircea_popescu and if given a chance you will steal and idle rather than do somethinguseful [01:54]
mircea_popescu and in any case you're too stupid by now to do anything useful anyway" [01:54]
mircea_popescu and that's that. [01:54]
mircea_popescu salaries go back to the economically warranted 5-600 usd a year [01:55]
jcpham http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/preventing-gun-violence [01:55]
jcpham conspiracy [01:55]
mircea_popescu people learn to live off rice and beans [01:55]
mircea_popescu rents go back towhat they are in the 3rd world and so on. [01:55]
jcpham no way the gubment can code this well this fast [01:55]
jcpham conspiracy [01:55]
iz mircea_popescu: i think it would affect the world economy too much [01:55]
jcpham that page is fucking sick though [01:55]
iz iceland could get away w/ it b/c they were small [01:55]
mircea_popescu iz : there is no "too much". it is what it is. [01:55]
dub protip: the "world eceomony" has like 10 years left anyway [01:55]
mircea_popescu take the pill and pay the dues. [01:55]
iz i don't understand why you say there isn't a "too much" [01:56]
mircea_popescu because there isn't. [01:56]
dub after that its back to eating each other [01:56]
mircea_popescu there is literally no limit to human suffering and hardship. none. [01:56]
mircea_popescu so, let it go back to where it has to go, rather than try and pretend for a coupl;a more years [01:56]
iz if a country wants to say "we fucked up, but we aren't going to pay our debts.. everyone else just absorb those costs and we're going to start over.. like country bankruptcy [01:56]
mircea_popescu that's not the deal. [01:57]
mircea_popescu it's we fucked up, we own nothing now [01:57]
mircea_popescu maybe we'll just all become indentured servants [01:57]
mircea_popescu or just starve [01:57]
dub MIT forcast it in the '70s and we have been tracking perfectly [01:57]
iz is that what iceland did too? [01:57]
mircea_popescu we'll see how generous you are [01:57]
iz i thought they just said we don't owe anything [01:57]
iz sorry for investing all your money in our banks [01:57]
iz but you guys all lost out too [01:57]
iz and we're starting over now [01:57]
mircea_popescu the two aren't distinct really. [01:57]
iz we all lost, but it happens.. restart now [01:57]
iz is my understanding incorrect re: iceland? [01:58]
mircea_popescu i don't think so. [01:58]
* iz nods [01:58]
mircea_popescu as far as i understand, the iceland thing was simply : banks are a private issue, the state does not back banks. figure it out. [01:58]
iz cool [01:58]
iz yeah [01:59]
iz that's what i thought also [01:59]
mircea_popescu ok. that doesn't translate to what you said [01:59]
iz so yeah.. i think they can only get away with that because they were so small relative to the rest of the world economy [01:59]
mircea_popescu they can get away with it because the gap between their real gdp and their nominal gdp was small [01:59]
mircea_popescu in the us the difference is more like 9x% [01:59]
iz if one of the largest world economies tried to do what iceland did, i think it would cause worldwide economical harm [01:59]
mircea_popescu no. [01:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16596 @ 0.00066525 = 11.0405 BTC [+] [02:00]
mircea_popescu it would just force a much more unpalatable "taking down a notch" [02:00]
iz hmm.. okay, i think i'm understanding what you're saying [02:00]
mircea_popescu here's the thing : [02:00]
mircea_popescu the average american citizen uses up about 20k worth of resources a year. [02:00]
mircea_popescu he produces something like 500 to 1k. [02:00]
mircea_popescu that's a 90ish % loss. [02:01]
mircea_popescu if you stop pretending like what they're doing is useful, [02:01]
dub is that like maff and fings [02:01]
mircea_popescu you're forced to adjust their income to the real level. [02:01]
dub this is bitcoin [02:01]
mircea_popescu making us average salari about 400 bucks ? a year that is. [02:01]
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dub nyRednek: chinese factory workers are used to losing all their miney overnight though [02:01]
dub money* [02:02]
mircea_popescu now, the average american trying to live on 400 bucks a year would be a funny sight indeed. [02:02]
mircea_popescu but the world economy couldn't care less. [02:02]
dub nyRednek: good [02:02]
dub drastic reduction in the number of americans would go a long way to solving the problem [02:03]
iz but how would the us maintain their obesity record? [02:03]
mircea_popescu i don't see how. donner party patent method maybe ? [02:03]
dub you're only delaying it as of now [02:03]
mircea_popescu now, understandably the political decision was made that this wouldn't be acceptable. but this is a purely internal affair of the us. i can sorta see why they thought this too : [02:03]
mircea_popescu if they keep it going for just a little longer the top people can finish getting out [02:03]
dub nyRednek: the problem with your economy not actually being one [02:03]
iz haha [02:04]
dub nyRednek: sorry I thought that was the subject [02:04]
mircea_popescu but otherwise, it's the same as any imploding rogue state. [02:04]
iz hunting w/ automatic assult rifles [02:04]
dub nyRednek: no, not actually being an economy [02:04]
iz real answer though, as a hunter you realize there's not enough animals to sustain the population [02:05]
dub its a sick joke/debt ponzi [02:05]
iz maybe hunting the most dangerous game for soylent green [02:05]
dub iz nailed it [02:05]
iz nyRednek: can't hunt the animals that aren't there because they've already been over hunted [02:06]
dub nyRednek also nailed the actual problem [02:06]
iz yeah, the real problem with food is water and ancient aquifirs [02:06]
iz that's true [02:07]
mircea_popescu CoinURL ceases its operation [02:07]
dub whats coinurl? [02:07]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136900.0 [02:08]
iz ah yes... the prized nosegopher [02:08]
iz good eating [02:08]
kakobrekla >> Unluckily, as you could guess, hosting company decided to terminate my account as it is not just worth for them anymore. [02:08]
kakobrekla LOLWTF [02:08]
kakobrekla no, i could not guess THAT [02:09]
dub mircea_popescu: lol 'derp' [02:09]
kakobrekla commentig coinurl [02:09]
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dub turns out bitcoiners don't spend money (because mom doesn't give them enough) [02:09]
kakobrekla i dunno what the deal was but it ready just wrong [02:10]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/coinurl-a-bitcoin-advertising-service/ for the lulz. [02:10]
kakobrekla i have a friend with a whole bladecenter intalled for some tiny change cause hosting co made a lousy contract [02:12]
mircea_popescu "There are many options. Delisting and telling everyone to just fuck off is exactly what can be expected form a narcissistic fucktard like Mircea Popescu. [02:12]
mircea_popescu Why not halt the trading for start and provide a way to work this out between investors and those thieving scumbags at BitVPS." [02:12]
mircea_popescu this guy is kinda stupid is he ?! [02:12]
dub dude [02:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00066525 = 11.5754 BTC [+] [02:14]
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jurov lol, bitvps kicked coinurl [02:21]
kakobrekla what [02:21]
kakobrekla lol r u srs [02:21]
kakobrekla you just dont do that. [02:22]
mircea_popescu jurov srsly ?! [02:22]
jurov yes, they were in the same datacenter as me, same balckout [02:22]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 8750 @ 0.0047 = 41.125 BTC [+] [02:22]
thestringpuller oh no bad bvps press [02:22]
kakobrekla meh srsly you get a top notch root server for 50euros a month [02:23]
jurov sorry i mixed it up [02:23]
jurov https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131922.msg1414370#msg1414370 [02:23]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller there is btc press ? [02:23]
jurov it was operationfabulous , another ad network [02:23]
jurov yes, something called trilema [02:25]
mircea_popescu what ? [02:25]
jurov you know that thing with porn syndication [02:26]
jurov that's the bitcoin press :P [02:27]
mircea_popescu i heard that name somehow before! [02:27]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 613 @ 0.0047 = 2.8811 BTC [+] [02:30]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [02:33]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.64351, Best ask: 14.69999, Bid-ask spread: 0.05648, Last trade: 14.69999, 24 hour volume: 45851.62111428, 24 hour low: 14.21001, 24 hour high: 14.75000, 24 hour vwap: 14.52390 [02:33]
mircea_popescu o wow. 15 ? [02:33]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.43 = 3.01 BTC [-] [02:34]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/83/s-dice-down-to-0-003xx-per-share-feb-11/ [02:34]
mircea_popescu this one looks sweet [02:34]
mircea_popescu hmm, anyone here with a btctc account ? [02:46]
jcpham ;;asks 25 [02:50]
gribble There are currently 49313.389 bitcoins offered at or under 25.0 USD, worth 878896.357055 USD in total. [02:50]
dub time for a crash [02:52]
jcpham not a lot of volume to 25 [02:52]
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mircea_popescu ;;bids 10 [02:52]
gribble There are currently 97005.469 bitcoins demanded at or over 10.0 USD, worth 1252122.45239 USD in total. [02:52]
jcpham i doubt it'll happen but that's interesting [02:53]
mircea_popescu i think a runup much more likely. [02:53]
jcpham oh yeah for sure [02:53]
jcpham i expected more when i picked an arbitrarily high number [02:53]
mircea_popescu ya seems incredibly sparse. [02:53]
jcpham http://blog.dwolla.com/person-to-person-for-banks-in-a-line-of-code/ [02:58]
jcpham i like dwolla at first, now meh [02:58]
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assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.43 = 0.86 BTC [-] [03:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9293 @ 0.00065893 = 6.1234 BTC [-] [03:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6183 @ 0.00065305 = 4.0378 BTC [-] [03:09]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 25 @ 0.0064 = 0.16 BTC [+] [03:11]
mircea_popescu sorta like linode. [03:12]
mircea_popescu so nobody has a btctc account ? [03:12]
mircea_popescu omfg are these people insane ? curl unencrypted ? [03:13]
mircea_popescu suppose i eavesdrop it and repeat. [03:13]
kakobrekla its a post over https [03:14]
kakobrekla not ideal [03:14]
kakobrekla but not plaintxt [03:14]
mircea_popescu well no, not plaintext but omfg [03:15]
jcpham cutting edge [03:19]
mircea_popescu i suppose they periodicly audit make sure no ex-linode employe is running a promiscuous sniffer anywhere on their network. [03:20]
mircea_popescu anyway. anyone here want to pick up that coinurl thing and run it sanely ? [03:22]
thestringpuller jcpham: that looks just like simplepay or what was doing with the https curl command [03:23]
thestringpuller *waves hand* [03:23]
thestringpuller i will buy it for 1 bitcoin [03:23]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 420 @ 0.01 = 4.2 BTC [+] [03:24]
mircea_popescu "Our case [03:24]
mircea_popescu study used a cognitive walkthrough analysis together [03:24]
mircea_popescu with a laboratory user test to evaluate whether PGP 5.0 [03:24]
mircea_popescu can be successfully used by cryptography novices to [03:24]
mircea_popescu achieve effective electronic mail security. The analysis [03:24]
mircea_popescu found a number of user interface design flaws that may [03:24]
mircea_popescu contribute to security failures, and the user test [03:24]
mircea_popescu demonstrated that when our test participants were given [03:24]
mircea_popescu 90 minutes in which to sign and encrypt a message [03:24]
mircea_popescu using PGP 5.0, the majority of them were unable to do [03:24]
mircea_popescu so successfully. " [03:24]
kakobrekla lol [03:24]
mircea_popescu my results are strangely better than that. [03:24]
mircea_popescu i guess self selected scope ? [03:24]
kakobrekla where is this from [03:24]
mircea_popescu a study im reading [03:25]
mircea_popescu Alma Whitten / Carnegie Mellon University. Why Johnny Can’t Encrypt:A Usability Evaluation of PGP 5.0 [03:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 851 @ 0.00538507 = 4.5827 BTC [-] [03:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00539131 = 5.3913 BTC [+] [03:28]
thestringpuller jcpham: Dwolla's code isn't this bad http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5026802 [03:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14717 @ 0.00065305 = 9.6109 BTC [-] [03:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4383 @ 0.00065302 = 2.8622 BTC [-] [03:39]
mircea_popescu "You guys are fantastic. You documentation is clear. The fact that you all live on the IRC channels makes obtaining information and help super simple." [03:39]
mircea_popescu im going to go troll balanced payments irc channel nao [03:40]
mircea_popescu anyone with me ? [03:40]
mircea_popescu its #balanced ftr [03:41]
thestringpuller is having an irc channel the hip thing to do? [03:41]
mircea_popescu certainly. [03:42]
kakobrekla well, we have one. [03:42]
thestringpuller i thought it was about having a usenet group [03:42]
thestringpuller i thought that was the cool thing these days [03:42]
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thestringpuller LOL [03:48]
thestringpuller 20:47 < ajsharp> i can't tell if you're trolling or not [03:48]
mircea_popescu i wasn't even ;/ [03:49]
thestringpuller look at that guys: https://github.com/balanced/balanced-api/issues/204 they have someeone who wanted to add bitcoin [03:50]
thestringpuller Each of Balanced.s customers is a potential Bitcoin merchant. Zaarly is using Balanced to provide payments handling for its peer-to-peer task market. Instead of Zaarly having to build its own, it can used Balanced.s API. With Bitcoin there is a little different flow. You can.t pull funds from a Bitcoin user. Bitcoin is push only. But Balanced also handles the payout component. And that is a push transaction. Bal [03:52]
thestringpuller But Balanced shows what is needed by the marketplace . a path that a Bitcoin variant could follow. Balanced is offered in the U.S. only. A bitcoin-variant could operate globally. [03:52]
mircea_popescu so basically... "we don't know, and don't wanna talk about it" [03:53]
mircea_popescu a well. [03:53]
thestringpuller the github issue has some answers [03:54]
mircea_popescu im reading it nao [03:54]
mircea_popescu there's absolutel;y nothing there. [03:57]
mircea_popescu i'm sorry, but on the balance of this assesment balancedpayments is worth ~0, inflation adjusted. [03:57]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: simple.com [03:59]
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dub u gais are famous https://www.balancedpayments.com/help [04:13]
mircea_popescu look at me ma, i'm on an obscure start-up site! it won't go anywhere! [04:14]
dub good arb op there eh? [04:21]
dub [21:19] Jan17 02:18:34 mtgox x194 3,924.8646 @ 14.83496831 USD [04:22]
dub [21:19] Jan17 02:18:34 mtgox x229 3,999.9658 @ 14.42321997 AUD [04:22]
mircea_popescu what's bitcoinrt ? [04:22]
thestringpuller ;;later tell Bugpowder looks like people are putting basic point spread bets on bitbet now [04:22]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:22]
dub gox ticker [04:22]
dub websocket pipe whatever [04:23]
mircea_popescu i guess, if anyone is ready to close aud-usd circuit [04:23]
dub ;;ticker [04:25]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.78900, Best ask: 14.84339, Bid-ask spread: 0.05439, Last trade: 14.78900, 24 hour volume: 48112.84457123, 24 hour low: 14.21001, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.57203 [04:25]
thestringpuller http://blockbet.net - here come the pseudo-clones [04:27]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.00574528 = 1.4363 BTC [+] [04:34]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller there have been like... i think a dozen since the ipo [04:44]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [04:46]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.90001, Best ask: 14.91999, Bid-ask spread: 0.01998, Last trade: 14.91999, 24 hour volume: 48305.04798786, 24 hour low: 14.21001, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.57849 [04:46]
mircea_popescu definitely 15 tonight. [04:46]
mircea_popescu ;;asks 15 [04:47]
gribble There are currently 7912.5205 bitcoins offered at or under 15.0 USD, worth 118573.407675 USD in total. [04:47]
thestringpuller ;;bids 14.90 [04:47]
gribble There are currently 0 bitcoins demanded at or over 14.9 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. [04:47]
thestringpuller ;;bids 14.80 [04:48]
gribble There are currently 180.31955 bitcoins demanded at or over 14.8 USD, worth 2674.22552159 USD in total. [04:48]
thestringpuller ;;bids 14.85 [04:48]
gribble There are currently 23.426751 bitcoins demanded at or over 14.85 USD, worth 349.058673438 USD in total. [04:48]
kakobrekla weekly forecast bet can be resolved early :) [04:49]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/140/bitcoin-will-hit-15-before-february-1st/ ? [04:53]
mircea_popescu still not 15 [04:53]
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kakobrekla no, ziz one http://bitbet.us/bet/129/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-stay-below-14-86-and/ [04:53]
kakobrekla enky lost hehe [04:54]
mircea_popescu yee [04:55]
error4733 any clue for the SD jump ? [04:58]
kakobrekla bbet ran out of shares so they went for second best [04:59]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [05:01]
mircea_popescu error4733 supply and demand i imagine. [05:01]
mircea_popescu seems in bitcoin demand is a sharply increasing inverse of supply. [05:01]
mircea_popescu in retrospect maybe not surprising, given the nature of the btc game. [05:02]
kakobrekla inverse supply you mean all the scams or the block reward drop? [05:04]
kakobrekla ;) [05:04]
mircea_popescu i mean the wider the supply, the lower the demand [05:05]
mircea_popescu but once supply dwindles demand explodes. [05:05]
kakobrekla isnt this same case as producers and consumers [05:05]
mircea_popescu sorta like childrend and toys. when nobody is playing nobody else wants to play. as toys become unavailable the desire to play increases [05:05]
kakobrekla :D [05:05]
mircea_popescu i guess it's like producers and consumers in a strange market [05:06]
error4733 same for my wife [05:06]
mircea_popescu lol she in demand when you want her and idle otherwise ? [05:06]
error4733 she's not involved [05:07]
error4733 :D [05:07]
mircea_popescu :p [05:07]
kakobrekla yeah fuckin hoarding non-toy-sharing kids [05:07]
error4733 if SD up to 0.006 and btc hit 15$ i almost double my invest in 2 weeks [05:08]
error4733 insane [05:08]
kakobrekla dun worry is a ponzee [05:08]
mircea_popescu error4733 someone was publishing his portofolio graph earlier and it looked quite exponential [05:08]
kakobrekla also [05:09]
kakobrekla pirate paid [05:09]
kakobrekla yesterday! [05:09]
mircea_popescu whom ? [05:09]
kakobrekla aww cmon, recognize the meme [05:09]
kakobrekla :p [05:09]
mircea_popescu lol deadpan [05:09]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [05:09]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.91002, Best ask: 14.92000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00998, Last trade: 14.91002, 24 hour volume: 47727.52297059, 24 hour low: 14.21001, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.58642 [05:09]
Diablo-D3 heh, we're reaching 15 [05:10]
mircea_popescu 50 cents off the vwap, that's pretty strong action. [05:12]
Diablo-D3 yeah [05:12]
Diablo-D3 the market needs to pause for awhile to keep us at this level [05:12]
Diablo-D3 I dont want to see another $30 spike and crash [05:12]
Diablo-D3 thats not useful for the longterm viability of bitcoins [05:12]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1000 @ 0.31226848 = 312.2685 BTC [+] [05:13]
error4733 not the same input for this raise [05:13]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1000 @ 0.24364587 = 243.6459 BTC [+] [05:13]
Diablo-D3 error4733: but it can be [05:13]
Diablo-D3 the $30 spike was panic buying [05:13]
Diablo-D3 theres no reason that cant be repeated [05:13]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 im not so sure it matters by now. [05:13]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: well, I'd like to see us at $100 perm [05:14]
mircea_popescu i think 2013 will prolly do that. [05:14]
Diablo-D3 well, what Im saying is, we need a firm foundation to continue building on [05:15]
error4733 well i have a bet wit ha friend, BTC double this year [05:15]
error4733 28$ before 1 JAN 2104 [05:15]
mircea_popescu prolly pretty safe bet. [05:15]
Diablo-D3 error4733: high or year end? [05:15]
Diablo-D3 because we'll likely see a $28 high [05:15]
Diablo-D3 but a 50/50 chance of $28 or higher becoming the new norm [05:16]
error4733 no 28 or more stable price [05:16]
error4733 more than 1 week [05:16]
error4733 95% risk is the user [05:17]
error4733 mircea_popescu : u think $100 can be possible until the end of the year ? [05:20]
mircea_popescu i think it fairly likely. [05:21]
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Diablo-D3 nyRednek: we tried that [05:21]
Diablo-D3 it didnt go well [05:21]
error4733 so the usage will increase for 500% with the same supply ? [05:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1845 @ 0.00066525 = 1.2274 BTC [+] [05:21]
mircea_popescu error4733 once people will come to terms with the failure of "asic projects" [05:22]
mircea_popescu they will cover buying bitcoin [05:22]
Diablo-D3 you're in #bitcoin-assets and dont know we've already had publicly owned companies? [05:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4698 @ 0.00066544 = 3.1262 BTC [+] [05:22]
mircea_popescu (which is what they should have done in the first place) [05:22]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: except both avalon and asicminer should be done soon [05:22]
error4733 *popcorn* [05:22]
mircea_popescu conspicuously absent from that list, bfl Diablo-D3 :p [05:22]
Diablo-D3 Im surprised basic was a failure [05:22]
Diablo-D3 was it a scam or did they just fail? [05:22]
mircea_popescu i'm not surprised [05:23]
error4733 this ASIC epic fail [05:23]
mircea_popescu i don't think it was started as a scam. just, no skills. [05:23]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: so just fail [05:23]
Diablo-D3 that sfine [05:23]
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error4733 maybe BFL but all the others as well ? [05:23]
Diablo-D3 companies can fail [05:23]
Diablo-D3 its the outright scams I think we need to deal with [05:23]
Diablo-D3 like bfl [05:23]
error4733 how many dev in the world work on this tech [05:24]
mircea_popescu i don't think anyone actually has the resources to do asics. people like to dream, and then they sometimes get confused. [05:24]
mircea_popescu error4733 maybe half a dozen on the core and a few hundred on peripherals ? [05:24]
Diablo-D3 error4733: on what tech? chip design in general? [05:24]
error4733 look good on paper [05:24]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: doing asics is easy [05:24]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: it just costs money [05:24]
Diablo-D3 remember, neither asicminer nor avalon made their sha256 cores [05:25]
Diablo-D3 they used existing ones and spammed it on the chip [05:25]
mircea_popescu yeah. [05:25]
mircea_popescu that's the way to go, at their level. [05:25]
mircea_popescu still, it has its problems. [05:25]
Diablo-D3 it works mostly [05:25]
smickles nyRednek: mpbor isn't really a bond tho [05:25]
Diablo-D3 they just had to have the output cascade designed right [05:25]
mircea_popescu depends what luck you have with resonance. [05:25]
Diablo-D3 which really isnt that hard [05:25]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: yes, those fucking design tools are blaaaaaargh [05:25]
mircea_popescu right. the problem with the "spam a core on chip" approach is that design cost is minimal [05:26]
mircea_popescu prototype cost is huge [05:26]
Diablo-D3 yeah [05:26]
Diablo-D3 and what we're looking at IS the prototype [05:26]
mircea_popescu meanwhile i've been asking questions, i know of a case where they did 54 prototypes [05:26]
mircea_popescu before they got a set that was resonance free [05:26]
mircea_popescu then they re-ran it [05:26]
mircea_popescu AND IT DIDNT WORK [05:26]
Diablo-D3 yeah, shit like that happens [05:26]
error4733 :D [05:26]
Diablo-D3 asicminer already said their chips passed functionality tests [05:27]
smickles ;;ticker [05:27]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.81200, Best ask: 14.89900, Bid-ask spread: 0.08700, Last trade: 14.89959, 24 hour volume: 47066.51104494, 24 hour low: 14.21404, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.59850 [05:27]
Diablo-D3 so hopefully at least one of the 4 wins [05:27]
mircea_popescu at any rate, from a purely macro perspective, [05:27]
error4733 cant wait haha, this is huuuge [05:27]
mircea_popescu as either cost of asic or losses from asic become monetized btc will have to go up [05:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6002 @ 0.00066544 = 3.994 BTC [+] [05:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9354 @ 0.00066568 = 6.2268 BTC [+] [05:28]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: exactly [05:28]
Diablo-D3 no matter what, the work was done [05:28]
Diablo-D3 look at the silicon valley for example [05:28]
Diablo-D3 one of the biggest startup communities in the world [05:28]
Diablo-D3 if not THE biggest [05:28]
mircea_popescu i think "the milk was spilleD" is more apt a comparison but anyway :p [05:28]
Diablo-D3 they fail more than not [05:29]
Diablo-D3 but it produces an amazingly thriving economy [05:29]
mircea_popescu there's no problem with failure per se. [05:29]
Diablo-D3 even when the companies fail, it produces more economic output than went in [05:29]
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mircea_popescu the thing is we need to move away from cablepair and lambert type of failures to more economically tolerable types of failure [05:29]
Diablo-D3 yeah [05:30]
Diablo-D3 failure to mvp instead of outright scam or just wishful thinking [05:30]
Diablo-D3 basic is more than wishful thinking but below mvp [05:30]
Diablo-D3 imo anyways [05:30]
mircea_popescu to our advantage the silicon valley world is slowly moving towards a pure circus act. [05:31]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/lets-have-fun-with-paul-graham/#comment-91400 [05:31]
mircea_popescu look at that. [05:31]
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Garr255_Lappy Check it out! Own a part of a 3d printer! CREATE on [BTC-TC] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136953.0 [05:32]
Diablo-D3 nyRednek: I tried getting a company to take off [05:32]
Diablo-D3 my first attempt was a failure because the stock exchange owner backstabbed everyone [05:32]
Diablo-D3 nyRednek: so Im in the middle of cleaning that up and going for another attempt [05:33]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: before I click, is that pro pg or anti pg? [05:34]
mircea_popescu anti. [05:34]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: pg isnt the big bad though [05:34]
mircea_popescu tho it's a moot point, it just documents their most recent blunder [05:35]
Diablo-D3 although I wish people would quit worshipping him [05:35]
mircea_popescu i don't think he's the big bad either. [05:35]
Diablo-D3 the problem with the silicon valley atm is the mvp achievements [05:35]
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mircea_popescu the showmanship is the problem. [05:35]
Diablo-D3 whoever produces the smallest lightest easiest mvp wins [05:35]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: exactly [05:35]
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mircea_popescu in their constant quest for "insight" about companies they kept going into sidechannels [05:35]
Diablo-D3 nyRednek: minimum viable product [05:35]
mircea_popescu by now all they're doing is comparing which "team" has the weirdest approach to stand-up [05:35]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: basically yes [05:36]
mircea_popescu ya well it's stupid. [05:36]
Diablo-D3 they're starting to feedback into themselves weirdly [05:36]
Diablo-D3 like, whowever has the most unique weirdest circus act wins [05:36]
mircea_popescu i don't pick girls by the criterion "largest tit most exposed" [05:36]
Diablo-D3 its like a competition of The Aristocrats [05:36]
mircea_popescu if i did, i'd have an excuse. unlike them. [05:36]
mircea_popescu yeah. [05:36]
Diablo-D3 nyRednek: nope [05:38]
Diablo-D3 profit ISNT the number one goal [05:38]
Diablo-D3 long term value is [05:38]
mircea_popescu jesus you've been studying ? [05:38]
Diablo-D3 nyRednek: not always [05:39]
Diablo-D3 there are companies that hold massive assets that have pretty shitty cash flow [05:39]
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Diablo-D3 they're not horrible companies, just maybe mediocre corporate leadership [05:40]
Bugpowder nyRednek Be careful, if you hang out here much longer you will end up owning some bitcoin securities [05:40]
Diablo-D3 the cash flow is positive, dont get me wrong, its just not that far from zero [05:40]
Diablo-D3 constant cashflow is better than large profits [05:40]
smickles hmm [05:40]
Bugpowder mmm the new pympex is great [05:41]
Bugpowder the interface I deserve [05:41]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: btw, what do you mean studying? [05:41]
Bugpowder lol [05:41]
Bugpowder elance is f'ing amazing [05:42]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 you know, books. [05:42]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder o ? [05:42]
Bugpowder I can hire an awesome pakistani programmer [05:43]
Bugpowder for $20/hr [05:43]
Bugpowder to do my bidding [05:43]
mircea_popescu cool huh. [05:43]
mircea_popescu better than webcams, imo. [05:43]
Bugpowder and you get screen caps every 10 minutes [05:43]
Bugpowder yeah I could pay less but this is a bit tricky job [05:43]
mircea_popescu incidentally, read the code [05:43]
mircea_popescu better discover keyloggers early than late. [05:43]
Bugpowder ha [05:43]
Bugpowder CSV isn't hiding much [05:44]
Bugpowder I just need data collected [05:44]
mircea_popescu a [05:44]
Bugpowder from things that require mouseover ajax calls [05:44]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: its not like securities are a new thing for me [05:44]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: Ive been laughing at wall street since I was a kid [05:44]
Diablo-D3 it never made sense to me because it all looked like a giant ponzi [05:45]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: and over the past, oh, 5 years or so, Ive learned why it never made sense, it really is just a giant scam [05:45]
mircea_popescu well, it's a good point nonetheless. [05:45]
mircea_popescu it has been kinda scammy since about 2nd bush term. [05:46]
Diablo-D3 its been kinda scammy since the 70s [05:46]
Diablo-D3 before I was born [05:46]
Diablo-D3 and various long term shit has been going on since before ww2 [05:46]
mircea_popescu i kinda liked it in the 90s. [05:46]
Diablo-D3 before the dotcom bust? [05:46]
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mircea_popescu nah, late 90s [05:46]
Diablo-D3 during the recovery? [05:46]
mircea_popescu during the bust. [05:47]
Diablo-D3 ahh [05:47]
Diablo-D3 there was lots of money to be made from that [05:47]
mircea_popescu for some reason it's easier for me to pick companies that will fail than ones that will succeed. [05:47]
Diablo-D3 I know people who made money during the bubble, and then lost it when it popped; made it and kept it; and then made it DURING the pop [05:48]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: weird [05:48]
mircea_popescu possibly because i'm an asshole. [05:48]
Diablo-D3 I have trouble picking companies that will fail [05:48]
mircea_popescu that's ok, you don't need to pick em, you make em :D [05:48]
Diablo-D3 I think my selection criteria of safe bets is too conservative [05:48]
Diablo-D3 hurrrrr [05:48]
mircea_popescu mwahaha' [05:48]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: like I said, I had lots of community help on that one [05:48]
Bugpowder bust started with MSTR [05:48]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: everyone got to walk away with a sore asshole after the GLBSE bust [05:49]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder to this day i didn't understand what microstrategy was making. [05:49]
Bugpowder business intelligence [05:50]
Bugpowder they are still around [05:50]
Diablo-D3 what the fuck does that even mean [05:50]
Bugpowder pretty big [05:50]
Bugpowder Like using algorithms to optimize internal shit [05:50]
Diablo-D3 thats insane [05:51]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder no, srsly ? using algorithms to optimize internal shit ? [05:51]
Bugpowder insane? [05:51]
Diablo-D3 as a programmer and as someone who views both the law and business as domain specific languages, thats insane [05:51]
Bugpowder He lost 15 billion in the bust [05:51]
Bugpowder Sailor [05:51]
Bugpowder saylor [05:51]
Diablo-D3 yeah, when you lose 15 billion, the money didnt even really exist [05:52]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: back me up about the insanity part [05:52]
mircea_popescu when you have 15bn you don't have that money. [05:53]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 i dunno either way. i still don't really comprehend what they did. [05:53]
mircea_popescu it's somewhere between "dressing up mathlab for idiots" and "conversations with aliens and spirits of the departed" [05:53]
Diablo-D3 yes, but both of those ARE valid business models [05:53]
mircea_popescu well the aliens part at least. [05:54]
mircea_popescu VerizOrion [05:54]
Bugpowder still doing ok i guess [05:54]
Bugpowder http://fortunebrainstormtech.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/michael_saylor_yacht_friends.jpg [05:54]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder seems kinda crowded :D [05:54]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.421 BTC [-] [05:55]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.42 = 0.84 BTC [-] [05:55]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 20 @ 0.411 = 8.22 BTC [-] [05:55]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.411 = 0.822 BTC [-] [05:55]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.4459 BTC [+] [05:56]
mircea_popescu so... nobody with a btctc account ? [05:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00066568 = 5.5917 BTC [+] [05:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00066568 = 14.645 BTC [+] [06:01]
Bugpowder Anyone else notice that there has be some semi-whale like action on s.dice tonight? [06:03]
Bugpowder http://satoshidice.com/lookup.php?tx=&limit=100&min_bet=10&status=ALL [06:03]
Bugpowder couple 100s, a 250 [06:03]
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mircea_popescu semi-whale lol [06:07]
mircea_popescu what, only 100k bet or something ? [06:07]
Bugpowder nah [06:08]
Bugpowder nothing that big [06:08]
error4733 good, SD run under EV for one week [06:09]
Bugpowder yeah, SDICE up 1300 in the last 100 bets over 10 [06:09]
error4733 wait [06:10]
error4733 where do u see that [06:10]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1000 @ 0.24450216 = 244.5022 BTC [+] [06:10]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1000 @ 0.31321887 = 313.2189 BTC [+] [06:11]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [06:11]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.85109, Best ask: 14.89897, Bid-ask spread: 0.04788, Last trade: 14.89897, 24 hour volume: 45268.43294958, 24 hour low: 14.35600, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.62078 [06:11]
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mircea_popescu !ticker m c11ot [06:11]
assbot I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who. [06:11]
mircea_popescu !ticker m c110t [06:11]
assbot Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'? [06:11]
mircea_popescu !ticker m o.btcusd.c110t [06:11]
assbot [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.C110T] 1D: 0.31226848 / 0.31274367 / 0.31321887 (2000 shares, 625.49 BTC), 7D: 0.21996239 / 0.28818392 / 0.31321887 (2720 shares, 783.86 BTC), 30D: 0.16843117 / 0.25993706 / 0.31321887 (10665 shares, 2,772.23 BTC) [06:11]
Bugpowder Please let this bill pass [06:12]
Bugpowder http://lofgren.house.gov/images/stories/pdf/draft%20lofgren%20bill%20to%20exclude%20terms%20of%20service%20violations%20from%20cfaa%20%20wre%20fraud%20011513.pdf [06:12]
Bugpowder error4733 on my google doc importer [06:12]
Bugpowder Try this line [06:12]
Bugpowder =ImportHtml("http://satoshidice.com/lookup.php?tx=&limit=1000&min_bet=10&status=ALL","table",0) [06:12]
Bugpowder in the first cell of a google spreadsheet [06:13]
Bugpowder then you can build your own analysis around it [06:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9646 @ 0.00066568 = 6.4211 BTC [+] [06:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00066642 = 5.1314 BTC [+] [06:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 254 @ 0.0006698 = 0.1701 BTC [+] [06:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4206 @ 0.00066482 = 2.7962 BTC [-] [06:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3594 @ 0.00065882 = 2.3678 BTC [-] [06:14]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder who sponsored that ? [06:15]
Bugpowder http://lofgren.house.gov [06:16]
Bugpowder "Aaron's law" [06:16]
mircea_popescu pretty good. [06:16]
Bugpowder Let the scraping commence! [06:16]
Bugpowder Repping silicon valley [06:16]
error4733 @bug : ok and ? some manip to do ? [06:17]
Bugpowder dude [06:17]
mircea_popescu http://lofgren.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=771:rep-zoe-lofgren-asks-reddit-users-to-crowdsource-legislative-proposals-on-domain-name-seizures&catid=22:112th-news&Itemid=161 [06:17]
mircea_popescu also [06:17]
Bugpowder you can work a spreadsheet [06:17]
mircea_popescu anyway, that's all for me. catch you all laters! [06:17]
Bugpowder me 2 [06:17]
Bugpowder later [06:17]
Bugpowder the upstreak continues! [06:17]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [12:23]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.85001, Best ask: 14.87999, Bid-ask spread: 0.02998, Last trade: 14.88000, 24 hour volume: 43785.59666564, 24 hour low: 14.42508, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.66609 [12:23]
Diablo-D3 awaaaaaaaaAAaaaaAAAaaaAAaaAAAAAAAaaAAAAAAaaaAAaaAAaAAAy we gooooo [12:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.005879 = 2.3516 BTC [+] [12:28]
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mircea_popescu jcpham smickles check it out : i'm getting sued! 1st rota case http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/case-i-wences-vs-mpex-breach-of-fiduciary-duty/ [13:03]
Diablo-D3 lolwat [13:03]
mircea_popescu yeah [13:17]
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mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsj-37UrxeM [13:57]
mircea_popescu welcome to the 90s all over again [13:57]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1811 @ 0.00066217 = 1.1992 BTC [+] [14:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00066194 = 5.5272 BTC [-] [14:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7139 @ 0.00065987 = 4.7108 BTC [-] [14:11]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18208 @ 0.00065987 = 12.0149 BTC [-] [14:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5392 @ 0.00065943 = 3.5556 BTC [-] [14:23]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8858 @ 0.00065943 = 5.8412 BTC [-] [14:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12042 @ 0.0006592 = 7.9381 BTC [-] [14:54]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [14:59]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.85117, Best ask: 14.91196, Bid-ask spread: 0.06079, Last trade: 14.91196, 24 hour volume: 46332.20423688, 24 hour low: 14.45000, 24 hour high: 14.92000, 24 hour vwap: 14.70084 [14:59]
mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/V1gyt.jpg [15:02]
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mircea_popescu http://siliconangle.com/blog/2013/01/15/bitcoinstore-plans-to-take-on-the-world-of-online-electronics-retail-with-btc/ [15:09]
mircea_popescu seems this one is happening. [15:09]
mircea_popescu cool. [15:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.0006592 = 9.6573 BTC [-] [15:13]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00579708 = 2.8985 BTC [-] [15:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 176 @ 0.00573305 = 1.009 BTC [-] [15:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9278 @ 0.00066312 = 6.1524 BTC [+] [15:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00066541 = 14.0734 BTC [+] [15:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20509 @ 0.00066974 = 13.7357 BTC [+] [15:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13868 @ 0.00067027 = 9.2953 BTC [+] [15:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00067029 = 11.5625 BTC [+] [15:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.0006714 = 3.8606 BTC [+] [15:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00067238 = 13.7502 BTC [+] [15:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75000 @ 0.0006725 = 50.4375 BTC [+] [15:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8674 @ 0.00067289 = 5.8366 BTC [+] [15:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18071 @ 0.00067375 = 12.1753 BTC [+] [15:27]
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Bugpowder !ticker m s.dice [15:39]
assbot [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00473687 / 0.00503935 / 0.00598999 (145350 shares, 732.47 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00471101 / 0.00598999 (2616031 shares, 12,324.15 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00372409 / 0.00598999 (11740066 shares, 43,721.16 BTC) [15:39]
Bugpowder Whales have returned [15:39]
Bugpowder http://satoshidice.com/lookup.php?tx=&limit=1000&min_bet=10&status=ALL [15:39]
mircea_popescu WIN 1000.67350000 [15:41]
mircea_popescu on less thn 16k [15:41]
mircea_popescu 800.03870000 less than 8 wow [15:41]
Bugpowder In other news [15:42]
Bugpowder US jobless aid applications fall to 5-year low [15:42]
Bugpowder SP500 is gonna blow thru the 5 year high today [15:43]
mircea_popescu that's pretty bad news innit. [15:43]
Bugpowder no, unemployment [15:43]
Bugpowder apps down to 5 year low [15:44]
Bugpowder 335k [15:44]
mircea_popescu yes but that just means chronical unemployment is becoming unamangeable [15:44]
mircea_popescu these aren't people who found jobs. [15:44]
Bugpowder heh [15:44]
Bugpowder well [15:44]
Bugpowder There is roll off issues [15:44]
mircea_popescu there is something else ? [15:45]
Bugpowder hiring [15:45]
mircea_popescu i have my doubts about that. [15:45]
mircea_popescu other than govt and high skilled tech jobs there's no hiring. [15:45]
mircea_popescu govt is a pointless expense and high skilled techs have no business playing the employee anwyay [15:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 201 @ 0.00150005 = 0.3015 BTC [-] [15:46]
Bugpowder The C140Ts are the ugly duckling of the MPOE [15:47]
Bugpowder y u no buy? [15:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.0006647 = 4.7194 BTC [-] [15:52]
mircea_popescu kinda weird how that works [15:54]
mircea_popescu peak volume at 11/12 [15:54]
Bugpowder yeah [15:54]
Bugpowder like [15:54]
mircea_popescu you'd expect it to be centered atm [15:54]
mircea_popescu not 2 under [15:54]
Bugpowder arent the strike price options the highes leverage usually? [15:54]
mircea_popescu yeah [15:55]
Bugpowder I dunno how the spread effects that [15:55]
Bugpowder affect [15:55]
mircea_popescu i wonder if i have a pricing issue [15:55]
Bugpowder more likely people are non-rational [15:55]
Bugpowder buyers [15:55]
mircea_popescu then again... maybe person isn't into leverage [15:55]
mircea_popescu but some sort of particular hedging ? [15:55]
Bugpowder heyo! [15:57]
Bugpowder ;;ticker [15:57]
mircea_popescu attention ladies making millions in btc : http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/135842974497.jpg [15:57]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.95895, Best ask: 14.96000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00105, Last trade: 14.95895, 24 hour volume: 45073.86760974, 24 hour low: 14.45000, 24 hour high: 14.97000, 24 hour vwap: 14.72695 [15:57]
mircea_popescu always wear panties when helicoptering. [15:57]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00565991 = 5.6599 BTC [-] [16:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2274 @ 0.00565992 = 12.8707 BTC [+] [16:02]
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pigeons i don't know what's going on with this dice price [16:11]
pigeons !ticker m S.MPOE [16:11]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00064635 / 0.00066278 / 0.00067375 (780682 shares, 517.43 BTC), 7D: 0.00062769 / 0.00065893 / 0.00067375 (6816444 shares, 4,491.59 BTC), 30D: 0.00058738 / 0.00063911 / 0.00067375 (39841651 shares, 25,463.37 BTC) [16:11]
Bugpowder supply and demand dude [16:12]
Bugpowder also whale betting has resumed [16:12]
pigeons ok i don't know is going on with the demand for this dice [16:12]
mircea_popescu welcome to the clu [16:12]
mircea_popescu b [16:12]
Bugpowder What if the world economy had 1 company that made money [16:12]
Bugpowder big money [16:12]
mircea_popescu o btw pigeons , 1st rota case. [16:13]
pigeons oh? [16:15]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/case-i-wences-vs-mpex-breach-of-fiduciary-duty/ [16:17]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.0006647 = 9.3058 BTC [-] [16:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00067375 = 7.0407 BTC [+] [16:17]
pigeons OK then. [16:21]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: did you mess up a deposit? [16:27]
mircea_popescu the op ddi. [16:30]
pigeons https://bitcoincaptcha.com/ [16:33]
mircea_popescu is it "pay some satoshi here to display page" ? [16:34]
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pigeons yes [16:39]
pigeons dusplays a qr code for that [16:40]
kakobrekla btw [16:40]
kakobrekla anyone uses these codes oftenly? [16:40]
pigeons also released a WP plugin so download this content via bitcoincapcha [16:40]
pigeons no [16:40]
kakobrekla seems like a dead tech mostly [16:40]
pigeons one day someone will think of a use haha [16:40]
kakobrekla :D [16:40]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla you mean qr codes ? [16:41]
kakobrekla xs [16:41]
kakobrekla ya [16:41]
mircea_popescu yeah. [16:41]
mircea_popescu i know there's people who use them to pass mpex stuff from cold to hot machine [16:41]
kakobrekla we are excluding thoese two people from the study [16:42]
mircea_popescu like a dozen you hater you [16:42]
kakobrekla :D:D [16:42]
mircea_popescu and i also plan to trampstamp my hos with qr codes [16:42]
mircea_popescu so i can more effectually keep track [16:42]
kakobrekla lol [16:42]
kakobrekla they are valid until pussy smells [16:43]
mircea_popescu ;/ [16:43]
mircea_popescu ruined my appetite. [16:43]
kakobrekla aw sorry [16:43]
pizzaman1337 kakobrekla: how's your EA going? [16:44]
kakobrekla pizzaman1337 i code and i code and i code [16:44]
pizzaman1337 kakobrekla: do you profit and profit and profit too? [16:44]
kakobrekla :D [16:44]
kakobrekla yeah [16:44]
kakobrekla well [16:44]
kakobrekla i have some interesting stuff that im testing now [16:44]
kakobrekla wasnt souch a good month so far [16:45]
kakobrekla a bunch of bad entry points [16:45]
kakobrekla i fix. [16:46]
kakobrekla ;) [16:46]
pizzaman1337 cool [16:46]
kakobrekla im trying to use critticall now [16:46]
pizzaman1337 I'll be back to bit4x in a month or two probably, busy at the moment with other stuff [16:46]
pigeons here, plug bitcoin into this http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2013/01/ill_pay_you_to.php [16:46]
kakobrekla http://critticall.com/ [16:46]
pizzaman1337 interesting [16:47]
kakobrekla accually i know the person who made it :) [16:47]
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mircea_popescu Amazon Kindles today already track bookmark usage patterns which they relay back to Amazon on via its wireless Whispernet. [16:49]
mircea_popescu fuck that shit [16:49]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: erm? its just cloud sync [16:49]
mircea_popescu dude reading is private [16:49]
mircea_popescu i don't want some idiots counting my page turns. [16:50]
Diablo-D3 then... dont use kindles? [16:50]
mircea_popescu i don't. [16:50]
* Diablo-D3 facepalms [16:50]
Diablo-D3 dude [16:50]
Diablo-D3 I can pick up a kindle [16:50]
Diablo-D3 read [16:50]
Diablo-D3 turn it off [16:50]
Diablo-D3 then load up it on a different device [16:50]
Diablo-D3 and continue reading where I left off [16:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00067374 = 2.0212 BTC [-] [16:50]
mircea_popescu so ? [16:50]
Diablo-D3 thats what syncing is. [16:50]
Diablo-D3 its where multiple devices share the same state [16:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7679 @ 0.00067375 = 5.1737 BTC [+] [16:51]
mircea_popescu then we're talking of diff things. [16:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19089 @ 0.00067389 = 12.8639 BTC [+] [16:51]
Diablo-D3 EskimoBob: amazon has yet to enforce it on anyone [16:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00067439 = 6.0021 BTC [+] [16:52]
Diablo-D3 they cant seem to make a working DRM [16:52]
Diablo-D3 I dont think they want to [16:52]
Diablo-D3 its not hard [16:52]
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pigeons i think the funny thing is one of the first books amazon literally took back after publisher isses even after folks had paid for it was "1984" [16:54]
mircea_popescu lol [16:55]
mircea_popescu also bullshit. what the fuck "take back" [16:55]
mircea_popescu this crap needs to die. apple, amazon, the whole shebang. [16:56]
mircea_popescu electronic devices where the buyer isn't the root user should be illegal. [16:56]
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mircea_popescu making them illegal will pretty much be mpex's largest lobby effort in the future, im pretty sure. [16:57]
pigeons funnier that that is i've literally often encountered people who actually think apple is like a humanitarian organization [16:57]
mircea_popescu ya, sure, in the sense the dutch slave transporters were humanitarians [16:57]
pigeons oh shit mpex gonna get political, sell sell [16:57]
mircea_popescu i never heard of a company that size which managed to avoid getting political. [16:57]
pigeons bfl is bigger and they ain't political [16:58]
Diablo-D3 [09:54:49] i think the funny thing is one of the first books amazon literally took back after publisher isses even after folks had paid for it was "1984" [16:58]
Diablo-D3 they also said thats not happening again [16:58]
mircea_popescu pigeons give them a little lol [16:58]
Diablo-D3 they amended the licensing agreement with all the publishers that if they have to do that: too fucking bad [16:59]
pigeons praise bezos [16:59]
Diablo-D3 the reason 1984 was recalled was because the publisher apparently didnt have the rights to publish it as an ebook [16:59]
Diablo-D3 and amazon ended up replacing it anyhow [16:59]
mircea_popescu no! rabble! RABBLE! [16:59]
pigeons still funny [16:59]
Diablo-D3 the problem was people lost any bookmarks and notes on the title [16:59]
Diablo-D3 due to how amazon stores data in the kindle software [17:00]
Diablo-D3 I mean, at least Amazon fixed it and put it place that it cant happen again [17:00]
pigeons thanks amazon-pr [17:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00067615 = 5.9839 BTC [+] [17:01]
Diablo-D3 pigeons: is it still pr if they actually fix it? [17:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100 @ 0.00067827 = 0.0678 BTC [+] [17:02]
pigeons yes [17:02]
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mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 quoth mpoe-pr : "pr is being right. packaging is secondary." [17:03]
pigeons or i'll kick you in the GoMaD_s [17:03]
mircea_popescu i guess she'd have been taken out and shot if she worked for anyone else [17:03]
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pigeons Korbman: keep buying those S.DICE [17:05]
Korbman I'd love to. Anybody want to give me money? [17:05]
pigeons apparantly [17:06]
pigeons pigeon pass through only 4%, pm [17:06]
kakobrekla ill pass you through PPT (no association with pirate) for 4.20% only [17:07]
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Korbman what's with all the .net, .split quits? [17:09]
Korbman I'm not familiar with that one [17:09]
pigeons it's the way the IRC protocol/network works [17:09]
mircea_popescu clients connect to servers. servers sometimes lose connections to each other [17:09]
mircea_popescu clients on either side of this split see clients on the other side as netsplit. [17:10]
pigeons that server and the users connected aren't reachable termporarily [17:10]
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pigeons so terryww you manually joined a different server? Korbman was asking about netsplits [17:10]
terryww pigeons, what? [17:11]
SomeoneWeird they probably just reconnected [17:11]
mircea_popescu pigeons you can pick the server if you want to, just bypass the dns [17:11]
SomeoneWeird (the servers) [17:11]
Korbman Got it [17:11]
Korbman Googling helped as well of course [17:11]
pigeons yeah, i was demoing for Korbman how most will rejoin when the server sees the other servers, but terry was different [17:12]
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Korbman yup, topace is back [17:12]
Korbman I imagine the other two will pop back soon as well [17:12]
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mircea_popescu what happened here was that their server died, and this was reported first to the irc network and then to the clients linked to it. [17:13]
mircea_popescu they just saw their connection die and reloaded, ending up back on [17:13]
Korbman indeed [17:13]
mircea_popescu someone that understands mining care to comment on [17:14]
mircea_popescu "Unless I misunderstand something, having 1gb blocks would pose significant problems for pretty much all miners, and would not be necessarily trivial to handle on asics designed with 1mb/block assumptions in mind." [17:14]
mircea_popescu ? [17:14]
kakobrekla would need to check what comes out the GBH or whatever is called protocol [17:17]
Guest14444 im back yes? [17:22]
Schadenfreude GBH? I only know GHB, it's an easy entry synthesis, kinda babby's first home-made drug [17:22]
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topace_ grr [17:22]
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kakobrekla a sry [17:23]
topace_ what was that a netsplit? [17:23]
kakobrekla its GBT [17:23]
kakobrekla https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Getblocktemplate [17:23]
mircea_popescu getblocktemplate [17:23]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131035.0 [17:24]
kakobrekla the problem is downloading this this [17:24]
kakobrekla nothing else really [17:24]
mircea_popescu that's a good comparison i thought. bw is an important limiting factor for miners. [17:24]
kakobrekla this this = this shit [17:24]
mircea_popescu yeah [17:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.5 = 1.5 BTC [+] [17:35]
topace_ with stratum bandwidth isnt an issue [17:36]
topace_ i have 25GH running and it uses less than a 28.8 modem [17:37]
Diablo-D3 heh, I should add stratum to diablominer [17:37]
Diablo-D3 but meh =/ [17:37]
mircea_popescu topace_ on 1mb capped blocks. [17:40]
mircea_popescu if they were 1gb that'd be more than a t1 ? [17:40]
assbot [BTCTC] [GOLD] 1 @ 1.1893 BTC [-] [17:41]
Korbman T1 is slow as shit, so probably [17:41]
Diablo-D3 T1 is 1.544mbps [17:41]
Diablo-D3 my DSL is approximately two those. [17:41]
Korbman Indeed [17:42]
Diablo-D3 you know, when I was a kid [17:42]
Diablo-D3 I wanted a T1 [17:42]
Diablo-D3 because all we had was dialup, and we didnt even have 56k yet [17:42]
Diablo-D3 I started with 2400, then had 14.4, then had 33.6, then 56k for awhile [17:43]
mircea_popescu topace_ now multiply that 1.5 mbps with 100 because 2.5th won't be too rare by the time blocks are 1gb [17:43]
Diablo-D3 and then I had 768k dsl and now 3mbps [17:43]
Diablo-D3 and soon as fairpoint gets done raping verizon's dead corpse, Ill get 15 [17:44]
Korbman when I was a kid I was happy to have 28.8 ..then we moved up to 56 and damn it was "fast" [17:44]
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Diablo-D3 man, 56k was lol [17:44]
Diablo-D3 2 days to download an episode of anime [17:44]
Diablo-D3 and it wasnt even good quality [17:44]
Korbman and then I went straight from that to 1mbps cable and shit my pants [17:44]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 10 @ 0.1435 = 1.435 BTC [-] [17:45]
Korbman now I'm on 25mbps and I think it's too slow sometimes :P [17:45]
* mircea_popescu strokes his 128mbps [17:45]
Korbman Google Fiber please! [17:45]
Korbman haha [17:45]
Diablo-D3 well, all I want is netflix in hd [17:46]
mircea_popescu you should all move to romania [17:46]
mircea_popescu best internet outside of azn. [17:46]
jcpham i wikipedia stalked your country i think [17:47]
mircea_popescu o? [17:47]
jcpham now i forget everything i learned [17:47]
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mircea_popescu lol [17:50]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: i stole some code from work to help with the endeavor [17:50]
thestringpuller down with the banks! [17:51]
thestringpuller !ticker S.MPOE [17:51]
assbot Provide exchange and ticker. [17:51]
thestringpuller !ticker m S.MPOE [17:51]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00064635 / 0.0006636 / 0.00067827 (852750 shares, 565.89 BTC), 7D: 0.00062769 / 0.00065914 / 0.00067827 (6872362 shares, 4,529.89 BTC), 30D: 0.00058998 / 0.00063929 / 0.00067827 (39819121 shares, 25,456.12 BTC) [17:51]
thestringpuller !ticker m O.BTCUSD.C140T [17:52]
assbot [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.C140T] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.10808014 / 0.12130616 / 0.14775821 (15 shares, 1.82 BTC), 30D: 0.01359389 / 0.02685208 / 0.19999999 (1051 shares, 28.22 BTC) [17:52]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [17:52]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.87203, Best ask: 14.98901, Bid-ask spread: 0.11698, Last trade: 14.87001, 24 hour volume: 47086.67851179, 24 hour low: 14.45900, 24 hour high: 14.99002, 24 hour vwap: 14.76172 [17:52]
mircea_popescu shit did it touch 15 ? [17:52]
mircea_popescu wow 14.99 [17:52]
thestringpuller about to [17:52]
thestringpuller :) [17:53]
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topace_ no, the difficulty for stratum will just go up [17:53]
topace_ right now each block i submit to the pool is worth 16 shares [17:53]
topace_ with 2.5TH, each block i submit will be worth like, 64 shares [17:54]
topace_ or whatever [17:54]
topace_ it'll still try to submit x blocks every x minutes [17:54]
mircea_popescu hm [17:55]
mircea_popescu i dunno, you actually have to somehow get the data you're hashing [17:55]
kakobrekla i got rid of all my gear except for single moded ztex runing 260mhash, ill just put it on solo and check in 10 years [17:55]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 90 @ 0.1435 = 12.915 BTC [-] [17:56]
kakobrekla like playin a lottery i guess [17:56]
topace_ yea but the hash string is a short piece of text [17:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00587899 = 2.9395 BTC [+] [17:57]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.509 = 2.545 BTC [+] [18:00]
Korbman So the reality is, even at a TH/s bandwidth shouldn't be an issue? [18:01]
topace_ right [18:02]
topace_ thats what stratum solves [18:02]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla> i got rid of all my gear except for single moded ztex runing 260mhash, ill just put it on solo and check in 10 years << tbh, if i mined i'd solo too. [18:03]
Korbman that's what I presumed, but I wasn't sure the exact amount of data consumed per, say, 1GH/s [18:03]
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Korbman bandwidth* consumed [18:05]
mircea_popescu Korbman there are two factors here : hash speed and average block size. [18:05]
mircea_popescu the ideea is that both will go up by degrees of magnitude (like, one or two every year) [18:05]
Korbman Right [18:05]
Korbman makes sense [18:05]
mircea_popescu and the question is, are there asumptions baked in (or even burned into silicon) [18:05]
mircea_popescu that this may conflict with [18:05]
mircea_popescu i have no clue about mining, but i've managed projects before and i'm inclined to suspect that probably there are. [18:06]
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jcpham i'm going to keep mining as long as the orphanage is paying my power bill [18:08]
pigeons mircea_popescu: the other, non bfl asic manufacturers have mentioned that their devices are agnostic to bitcoin mining, only for sha-256 hashing and i think even agnosting to the 2x256 thing and all that detail stuff being handled in host controller software [18:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.51 = 2.55 BTC [+] [18:12]
pigeons but if big blocks like that, bfl has to rewrite their tablet software! [18:15]
pigeons anyway, see, if they were a scam, why even write that in the first place! [18:15]
pigeons who is this Shavers guy BFL hired for marketing? [18:16]
Korbman lol [18:16]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 50 @ 0.515 = 25.75 BTC [+] [18:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.52 = 4.16 BTC [+] [18:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.5275 = 2.6375 BTC [+] [18:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.52999999 = 5.3 BTC [+] [18:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+] [18:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 30 @ 0.55 = 16.5 BTC [+] [18:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.58 = 4.64 BTC [+] [18:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.58 = 5.22 BTC [+] [18:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00067826 = 1.3565 BTC [-] [18:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00067827 = 3.0861 BTC [+] [18:22]
Korbman damn...glad to see I'm still holding my shares of SDICE bought at .37 :P [18:23]
Korbman 57% gain in 2 weeks [18:23]
topace_ :) [18:23]
topace_ !ticker h sdice [18:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK:SDICE] 1D: 0.48000000 / 0.52973776 / 0.58000000 (143 shares, 75.75249990 BTC), 7D: 0.47500000 / 0.49032197 / 0.58000000 (719 shares, 352.54149990 BTC), 30D: 0.37000000 / 0.45605941 / 0.62000000 (3678 shares, 1677.38649988 BTC) [18:25]
topace_ we'll see what happens on next dividend [18:26]
topace_ i think a lot of people foolishly think that the crazy up luck month of december will continue [18:26]
Korbman yup [18:27]
jurov got announcements from amir/genjix: [18:29]
jurov I know how to format Sunday. Some of you will also know how to format [18:29]
jurov Sunday night events. I think we should definitely do it that way. [18:29]
jurov It's cold outside so we'll do it inside instead. [18:29]
jurov like,wtf? [18:29]
Korbman ;;ticker [18:31]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.90004, Best ask: 15.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09996, Last trade: 14.90004, 24 hour volume: 48207.48847395, 24 hour low: 14.45900, 24 hour high: 15.00000, 24 hour vwap: 14.77713 [18:31]
Korbman yay $15 [18:31]
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jcpham We have good news we have had a new shipment come in yesterday and were able to ship it to you. [18:41]
jcpham YAY [18:41]
jcpham fifteen [18:44]
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mircea_popescu it hit ? [18:49]
jcpham over [18:49]
mircea_popescu pigeons aha [18:49]
jcpham 15.15 the kids are bidding [18:49]
mircea_popescu i think a lot of people foolishly think that the crazy up luck month of december will continue << actually december wasn't much off ev was it ? [18:50]
mircea_popescu jurov what's it mean to format sunday ? [18:50]
jcpham +Jan17 16:49:36 bitstamp 10.0000 @ 15.01 USD [18:51]
jcpham +Jan17 18:49:30 cbx 5.5012 @ 14.31 USD [18:51]
jcpham +Jan17 16:49:53 mtgox 0.2500 @ 15.15029 USD [18:51]
jcpham +Jan17 16:49:58 bitme 5.2000 @ 15.29 USD [18:51]
jcpham +Jan17 18:49:53 cbx 0.1366 @ 14.31 USD [18:51]
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jcpham +Jan17 16:50:22 btcn 1.0000 @ 91.98 CNY [18:51]
jcpham +Jan17 16:50:22 mtgox x23 24.6047 @ 15.16041205 USD [18:51]
jcpham sorry for spam [18:51]
jurov mircea, dunno, perhaps some anarchist thing [18:51]
mircea_popescu lol [18:51]
jcpham it's every exchange too not just gox [18:51]
jcpham that's fun to see [18:51]
mircea_popescu well in other news i made myself chocolate [18:52]
jcpham haha [18:52]
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smickles damn mircea_popescu, who do you think will be chosen as judges [18:58]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C140T] 110 @ 0.1385 = 15.235 BTC [-] [18:59]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C140T] 510 @ 0.1409839 = 71.9018 BTC [+] [18:59]
mircea_popescu smickles well i have no idea, seeing how neither party gave any input. random pick [18:59]
jcpham judges for what [19:00]
jcpham rota has to work? [19:00]
smickles yup [19:00]
mircea_popescu jcpham i hilited you like yest lol [19:00]
jcpham booo....free money [19:00]
jcpham i was at home yesterday [19:01]
jcpham that client is the suck [19:01]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/case-i-wences-vs-mpex-breach-of-fiduciary-duty/ [19:01]
jcpham so which entity? k [19:01]
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smickles so who is EF0641A7? [19:02]
jcpham yes where can ireadup on the particulars [19:03]
smickles (the signer of the claim) [19:03]
jcpham also it looks like this dispute is against mpex et al. [19:03]
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smickles maybe i shouldn't start discussing details in case i'm chosen as a judge [19:05]
jcpham i think you are correct. no cross- talk [19:05]
jcpham but i would like any and al details to the particulars [19:05]
jcpham "for [19:06]
jcpham the sum of 130.04256216 mistakenly sent 130.00 BTC instead." [19:06]
jcpham is all i have deciphered thus far [19:06]
mircea_popescu well, dude sent round value [19:07]
mircea_popescu you can see it in the blockchain [19:07]
mircea_popescu now wants to claim it. [19:07]
jcpham so it's a ssimple as someone not follwing the rules [19:08]
jcpham i assume mpex to be automated [19:08]
mircea_popescu why do you assume that ?! [19:08]
jurov did he at least send the additional 0.04256216? [19:08]
jcpham if it was mine it would be automated [19:09]
jurov i would, and then i'd argue it was nowhere sait it must be sent at once :P [19:09]
smickles jcpham: deposits arn't automated [19:09]
mircea_popescu jurov that's a different transaction [19:09]
mircea_popescu happens to also be 130 btc [19:09]
smickles *fully [19:09]
mircea_popescu and yes it's said it has to be sent at once lol [19:10]
smickles well, I can't wait to see the argments presented [19:10]
jcpham iirc the mpex faq had some such statement about incorrect amounts [19:10]
smickles and I wonder if i'll be chosen as a judge or not [19:10]
jurov lol, there's a nice public note on blockchain.info.. did not knew this is possible [19:10]
jcpham very interesting [19:10]
mircea_popescu jurov whassat ? [19:10]
jurov go to http://blockchain.info/address/1Fx3N5iFPDQxUKhhmDJqCMmi3U8Y7gSncx [19:11]
jurov scroll down [19:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 25 @ 0.00594222 = 0.1486 BTC [+] [19:11]
jurov or grep "Public Note:" [19:11]
mircea_popescu da fuck !? [19:12]
jcpham mmmmhmmm [19:12]
mircea_popescu is that the result of him signing the message ? [19:12]
smickles i think it's stuff you can put in the tx [19:12]
jcpham i am actually unsure [19:12]
mircea_popescu me too. [19:12]
jurov no you can't put stuff like this into tx [19:13]
smickles use bitcoind help sendtoaddress [19:13]
mircea_popescu this will be an interesting case i think [19:13]
jurov he mush have associated it some other way [19:13]
mircea_popescu jurov iirc you can put it via blockchain [19:13]
mircea_popescu they add a little tag and keep a db [19:13]
jcpham i'm thinking blockchain wallet [19:13]
mircea_popescu tho i wouldn't sear to this [19:13]
smickles 1there are coinbase fields for [comment] and [comment-to] [19:13]
jcpham if it was in the tranasaction then the transaction isn't amistake [19:14]
jcpham so that idea negates the claim [19:14]
mircea_popescu that's a point... [19:14]
smickles https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40264.msg1158100#msg1158100 [19:15]
smickles re blockchain notes [19:16]
jcpham If bitcointalk wasn't such a toxic waste dump I'd suggest someone curate this information ina thread [19:17]
jcpham i'm fine i have my own notes [19:17]
mircea_popescu jcpham do it on my forum [19:17]
jcpham and where is that [19:18]
smickles and they use OP_DROP to put the message in [19:18]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/btcf/ [19:18]
smickles oh lol, i forgot about that [19:18]
mircea_popescu smickles so basically, it's not a signature or anything ? [19:18]
mircea_popescu smickles i forgot about it too lol. [19:18]
smickles mircea_popescu: if it's in the tx, it is signed by the sender [19:19]
smickles it's one of the 'scripts' [19:19]
mircea_popescu problem is, the addies that signed are not the addies that sent the 130 [19:19]
mircea_popescu so this isn't actually proof is it [19:19]
smickles what are you saying it's not proof of? it looks like a message they put up when decided to sue mpex [19:20]
jcpham i assume the message was added after the fact and blochain.info allows something special [19:21]
mircea_popescu smickles it's not proof that the same person actually sent the 130 [19:21]
jcpham it appears that way from the information i am reading [19:21]
mircea_popescu understand, anyone watching mpex addy can claim any rounded sums [19:21]
mircea_popescu as far as i know. [19:21]
jcpham so now there is the issue of ownership [19:22]
jcpham how does one prove ownership [19:22]
mircea_popescu either sign with the addy or show the deposit slip issued by mpex. [19:22]
jcpham we know who or where the current owner is, but can the previous owner prove ownership [19:22]
mircea_popescu i would guess [19:22]
mircea_popescu or anything else the judges come up with [19:23]
mircea_popescu that's why they're there [19:23]
smickles i don't think the message could be added after the fact, it's in the tx afaik, however, the tx with the message was made on this past 17th, and isn't the 130 btc in question [19:24]
smickles so what are you guys on about? [19:25]
JWU_42 15.30 [19:25]
JWU_42 on Gox [19:25]
JWU_42 =) [19:25]
smickles no wai [19:25]
topace_ heh this is gonna crash hard [19:25]
smickles ;;ticker [19:25]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.29900, Best ask: 15.29980, Bid-ask spread: 0.00080, Last trade: 15.29900, 24 hour volume: 51318.02221687, 24 hour low: 14.45900, 24 hour high: 15.29990, 24 hour vwap: 14.82395 [19:25]
jcpham it's derping crazy [19:26]
jcpham the price, that ios [19:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 548 @ 0.00594222 = 3.2563 BTC [+] [19:26]
smickles people freaking out about the state of the world and going to bitcoin would be interesting [19:27]
smickles jcpham: did you see what i declared as my company's themesong? [19:27]
jcpham i never listened to it [19:27]
smickles ah well, i suppose it's not really important [19:28]
mircea_popescu whoa [19:28]
jcpham i saw the link but got busy [19:28]
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JWU_42 15.32 [19:31]
jurov smickles. the message was certainly NOT in the tx. it looks like was just slapped on some other unrelated tx using blockchain.info [19:31]
JWU_42 heh [19:31]
jcpham the plaintiff will need to prove ownership. i don't see where that has been performed yet. [19:33]
jcpham maybe i've missed something [19:33]
smickles jurov: that's what i'm saying, the message is on an unrelated tx [19:33]
jcpham from the same address for a token amount [19:33]
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smickles http://polimedia.us/btcf/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17 [19:33]
smickles canada's next [19:33]
jcpham however this doesn't prove an identity or ownership [19:33]
jurov OK, being "in" and "on" is quite a difference :) [19:33]
Tritonio hae you people seen the amazingrando scam accusation? How big was his mining op? [19:35]
smickles jurov: well, i wasn't making the distinction there, maybe out of my own ignorrance, but i saw a statement by piuk that those blockchian messags are in txns via OP_DROP [19:35]
assbot [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.8001 BTC [-] [19:35]
assbot [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.8 BTC [-] [19:35]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/case-i-wences-vs-mpex-breach-of-fiduciary-duty/ [19:38]
mircea_popescu pigeons ^^ you're on. [19:38]
smickles oh my, progress [19:39]
jurov on polimedia.us/btcf is registration disabled or i'm blind? [19:41]
mircea_popescu jurov lemme check [19:43]
mircea_popescu umm i guess it is [19:44]
mircea_popescu Tritonio it was relatively large [19:47]
jurov in just got idea... saw some people advertising their forum, can't remember [19:47]
mircea_popescu i did not see the accusation tho. link ? [19:47]
jurov i'd like to have some support topic for coinbr [19:47]
jurov where i could be admin ... i don't want btctalk [19:47]
mircea_popescu jurov forum was more a joke thing. it was never open registration, so it wouldn't make too good a support venue [19:48]
jurov and don't want to install/maintain more stuff on the vps just for that [19:48]
jurov mircea yes, but there were some other ppl that looked serious :) [19:48]
mircea_popescu o ty :D [19:49]
jurov looks it was this one: http://www.bitcoinforum.com [19:50]
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smickles jurov: yeah, you could only get membership on that forum if you had significant -otc trust with mircea, or even better L2 trust to mircea [19:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 82 @ 0.00594222 = 0.4873 BTC [+] [19:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 918 @ 0.00595019 = 5.4623 BTC [+] [19:55]
smickles or something like that [19:55]
jurov ;;gettrust mircea_popescu [19:56]
gribble Trust relationship from user jurov to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 4, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=jurov&dest=mircea_popescu [19:56]
jurov or it was meant the otther way around? [19:56]
jurov ;;gettrust mircea_popescu jurov [19:56]
gribble Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user jurov: Level 1: 3, Level 2: 6 via 5 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=mircea_popescu&dest=jurov [19:56]
mircea_popescu im sure he'd have made it, but! [19:56]
mircea_popescu i kinda forgot all about it lol. soon after glbse imploded and etc [19:56]
Tatsuya who runs bitbet? [19:56]
Tritonio mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136803.0 [19:57]
mircea_popescu Tatsuya me and kakobrekla [19:57]
mircea_popescu o, yeah... pretty dubious stuff. [19:57]
Tatsuya nice - any plans/chance you guys might post / give access to bet databases for running statistical analyses? [19:58]
mircea_popescu Tatsuya post, as in free/public ? no. [19:59]
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Tatsuya That's what I meant, but yeah ok [20:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00067576 = 16.8264 BTC [-] [20:00]
smickles couldn't you construct that yourself? [20:00]
Tatsuya One thing that would be nice for the site, though, would be to see not just the BTC ratio, but also the user ratio [20:00]
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smickles they're more like waves that have particle-like properties tho [20:01]
smickles er, i mean to say, you can't really say that a givin bet was done by a specific user [20:02]
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thestringpuller smickles you around for a bit? [20:03]
smickles thestringpuller: I can be [20:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11546 @ 0.00067576 = 7.8023 BTC [-] [20:08]
jcpham http://blockchain.info/address/1B5h9sf6xNLYGa3NBk48hwYbxyNZ22PRJk [20:09]
jcpham ^ check it out [20:09]
mircea_popescu Tatsuya what's the user ratio ? [20:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 608 @ 0.00067576 = 0.4109 BTC [-] [20:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8092 @ 0.00067575 = 5.4682 BTC [-] [20:13]
Korbman why the hell is blockchain.info showing up in spanish to me now... [20:16]
Korbman lol it was english this morning [20:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 482 @ 0.00595019 = 2.868 BTC [+] [20:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 950 @ 0.00598578 = 5.6865 BTC [+] [20:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 318 @ 0.00598999 = 1.9048 BTC [+] [20:17]
Tatsuya mircea_popescu, yup - that! better to gauge the riskyness of the best looking @ sample size - I know you list the individual bets, but tallying is a pain [20:17]
mircea_popescu Tatsuya i'm sorry ?! [20:18]
Tatsuya oh sorry [20:18]
Tatsuya on top of the BTC no/yes in red/blue, also show # of users no/yes in red/blue [20:19]
Tatsuya for each of the bet posts [20:19]
assbot [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.7801 BTC [-] [20:19]
assbot [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.78 BTC [-] [20:19]
kakobrekla i think that would be too crowded, perhaps we could place that info someplace else [20:20]
Tatsuya sure - just some way that's easier than counting the bets by hand [20:20]
kakobrekla k [20:20]
kakobrekla will be added soonish [20:20]
mircea_popescu oh yeah [20:21]
mircea_popescu it's aproblem cramming all that info in there [20:21]
smickles heh, add an "all the stats on this bet that you could ever want" link [20:22]
mircea_popescu lol [20:22]
Tatsuya It's just for when - let's say you have a bet that's 100 BTC vs 100 BTC. It could be that just one person but in a 100 BTC 'no' bet and 1000 people put in 0.1 BTC bets. which would be an entirely different betting situation than 100 people betting 0.5 BTC 'yes' and 100 people betting 0.5 BTC 'no' [20:23]
Tatsuya *put [20:23]
smickles mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: don't for get the unicorn to leprechaun ratio [20:23]
mircea_popescu yeah. course you can sorta gauge that from the betlist [20:23]
smickles i say you can't, unique btc addys are easy to come by [20:24]
Tatsuya oh good point [20:24]
smickles low enough effort that you can't discount the possibility of a troll [20:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 125 @ 0.00598999 = 0.7487 BTC [+] [20:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5785 @ 0.00067575 = 3.9092 BTC [-] [20:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6615 @ 0.00067519 = 4.4664 BTC [-] [20:25]
Tatsuya there could still be statistical ways of detecting the probability of a troll vs not a troll [20:25]
Tatsuya I just want to get Bayesian all up on this data [20:25]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8694 @ 0.00067827 = 5.8969 BTC [+] [20:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3106 @ 0.00067874 = 2.1082 BTC [+] [20:34]
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dub so I never synced past "blocks" : 191463, [20:37]
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dub been on that block for days [20:38]
mircea_popescu are you enjoying it ? [20:38]
dub wonder how many people just give up on bitcoin because of this [20:39]
dub I'd guess maybe >50% [20:40]
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mircea_popescu dub i imagine 80% [20:40]
Bugpowder OK that is about enough bitcoin price raise for this month thank you very much [20:40]
mircea_popescu lol was waiting for you to log [20:40]
Bugpowder well the C140Ts finally sold [20:41]
Bugpowder big surprise [20:41]
assbot [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.76 BTC [-] [20:41]
assbot [BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.41 = 0.82 BTC [-] [20:42]
mircea_popescu Bitcoin Will Hit $15 Before February 1st [20:42]
mircea_popescu Bitcoin Will Hit $15 Before March 1st [20:42]
mircea_popescu etc. [20:42]
Bugpowder the ask sheet is just EMPTY [20:43]
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mircea_popescu ;;asks 20 [20:45]
gribble There are currently 26018.869 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 462205.640168 USD in total. [20:45]
mircea_popescu ;;asks 15 [20:45]
mircea_popescu umm nm [20:45]
Bugpowder ;;asks 19 [20:45]
gribble There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 15.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. [20:45]
gribble There are currently 19450.404 bitcoins offered at or under 19.0 USD, worth 331657.94613 USD in total. [20:45]
Bugpowder ;;asks 16.9 [20:46]
gribble There are currently 8987.8874 bitcoins offered at or under 16.9 USD, worth 145203.270584 USD in total. [20:46]
jurov !ticker m s.mpoe [20:46]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00064635 / 0.00066602 / 0.00067874 (838877 shares, 558.72 BTC), 7D: 0.00062769 / 0.00065943 / 0.00067874 (6900079 shares, 4,550.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00059238 / 0.00063945 / 0.00067874 (39816563 shares, 25,460.78 BTC) [20:46]
jurov !ticker m s.dice [20:47]
assbot [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.0048577 / 0.00529282 / 0.00598999 (83611 shares, 442.54 BTC), 7D: 0.00449034 / 0.00471824 / 0.00598999 (2501791 shares, 11,804.07 BTC), 30D: 0.0014 / 0.00372541 / 0.00598999 (11744538 shares, 43,753.22 BTC) [20:47]
Bugpowder ;;ticker [20:48]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.47100, Best ask: 15.58111, Bid-ask spread: 0.11011, Last trade: 15.47101, 24 hour volume: 55890.61316392, 24 hour low: 14.46811, 24 hour high: 15.58900, 24 hour vwap: 14.91688 [20:48]
jurov upward to 16! [20:48]
mircea_popescu quite remarkable that stocks don't selloff [20:48]
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mircea_popescu all the theoreticians of btc as commodity will have a serious problem explaining this so far pretty consistent behaviour [20:49]
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dub ;;bids 12 [20:50]
gribble There are currently 73086.439 bitcoins demanded at or over 12.0 USD, worth 1001985.33423 USD in total. [20:50]
dub ^saturday [20:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C160T] 1000 @ 0.07214377 = 72.1438 BTC [+] [20:51]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 75 @ 0.00598999 = 0.4492 BTC [+] [20:58]
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mircea_popescu btw, Bugpowder, can you ping rassah ? [21:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00598999 = 1.198 BTC [+] [21:02]
Bugpowder i'll send him an FB msge [21:03]
mircea_popescu danke [21:03]
assbot [BTCTC] [CREATE] 10 @ 0.04 = 0.4 BTC [21:04]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [21:05]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.61901, Best ask: 15.68000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06099, Last trade: 15.61901, 24 hour volume: 56166.81154533, 24 hour low: 14.47027, 24 hour high: 15.68000, 24 hour vwap: 14.93915 [21:05]
mircea_popescu look at that go. [21:05]
pigeons shit [21:07]
Bugpowder how high does the parabola go [21:07]
Bugpowder Yeah I am short a fair number of calls [21:07]
Bugpowder uh oh [21:07]
mircea_popescu dude looking at the day graph [21:08]
Bugpowder TO 30! [21:08]
mircea_popescu that can literally go to 50 [21:08]
mircea_popescu slow buildup on low volume, no spike no anything [21:08]
Bugpowder yeah [21:08]
Bugpowder by next Friday anything is possible [21:08]
mircea_popescu there's literally no ceiling visible. [21:08]
pigeons $100 by christmas [21:08]
pigeons ;) [21:08]
pigeons this rvm stuff reminds me of the same retardedness as windows SxS [21:09]
mircea_popescu i guess im the first bitcoin person to be worth > 10mn. [21:09]
Bugpowder It could be be a painful month for MPORB or a great one. [21:09]
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assbot [BTCTC] [CREATE] 124 @ 0.04 = 4.96 BTC [21:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00598999 = 1.198 BTC [+] [21:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1524 @ 0.00593682 = 9.0477 BTC [-] [21:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1126 @ 0.00581826 = 6.5514 BTC [-] [21:20]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [21:21]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.36587, Best ask: 15.36588, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 15.36588, 24 hour volume: 58349.69576818, 24 hour low: 14.50622, 24 hour high: 15.68000, 24 hour vwap: 14.96194 [21:21]
mircea_popescu aha! [21:21]
mircea_popescu well,. this is too much excitement for me. anyone care rto recomend a movie ? [21:25]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00576441 = 0.5764 BTC [-] [21:26]
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dub CREATE? [21:27]
dub is that you EskimoBob? [21:28]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6658 @ 0.00067874 = 4.5191 BTC [+] [21:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00067882 = 2.4438 BTC [+] [21:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00067928 = 7.6419 BTC [+] [21:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17892 @ 0.00067983 = 12.1635 BTC [+] [21:28]
dub sounds retarded enough to be EskimoBob [21:28]
pigeons CREATE is matthew from "red star mining", quite an interesting fellow, with some idea to sell 3d printing services of some kind and not really make any money from it [21:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 100 @ 0.00598999 = 0.599 BTC [+] [21:29]
dub yes, 'interesting' is one word [21:30]
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pigeons nicer than schizophrenic [21:30]
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dub or dumber than a box of hammers [21:30]
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mircea_popescu can i print a tank yet? [21:31]
dub would you download a tank? [21:31]
pigeons yes a toy tank [21:31]
mircea_popescu if i could download a tank i wouldn't download boobs... [21:31]
dub yeah, take boobs by force with your new tank [21:31]
pigeons no you cannot download a nitrous tank mp [21:31]
* mircea_popescu snorts like an idiot at the badonkadonk reference [21:32]
dub 'Romainian village raped at tank-point' [21:32]
mircea_popescu lmao [21:32]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.58 = 2.9 BTC [+] [21:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 17 @ 0.58 = 9.86 BTC [+] [21:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.5875 = 1.175 BTC [+] [21:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4441 @ 0.00067983 = 3.0191 BTC [+] [21:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16406 @ 0.00067998 = 11.1558 BTC [+] [21:47]
markedathome hiya peeps. [21:48]
markedathome i thought create was garr255 (cognitive)? [21:48]
Bugpowder yea [21:52]
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markedathome it is -> started by Garr255 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136953.0 [21:56]
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jcpham it is snowing here [22:00]
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Ukto you can haz it [22:05]
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jcpham we never get snow [22:05]
Ukto yeah we had light snow over night liek 2 nights in a row [22:06]
jcpham i opened my window to watch it [22:06]
Ukto just enough to whiten things [22:06]
kakobrekla unbelivalbe what kind of garbage asset people come up with [22:06]
Ukto kakobrekla: which one now? [22:06]
kakobrekla marked link [22:06]
Ukto oh [22:06]
Ukto lol [22:06]
Ukto its more of a crowdfunding [22:07]
Ukto than an asset [22:07]
Ukto would work better in my new stuff thats comming up [22:07]
assbot [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 50 @ 0.5 = 25 BTC [22:11]
Bugpowder here come the asks [22:16]
jurov it's done: http://www.bitcoinforum.com/coinbr-com/ [22:18]
jurov they were helpful and quick, i have own board with admin rights [22:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00067519 = 1.2829 BTC [-] [22:21]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.33 = 4.95 BTC [+] [22:23]
thestringpuller Ukto [22:24]
thestringpuller you got some splainin to do [22:24]
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assbot [BTCTC] [CREATE] 1 @ 0.04 BTC [22:30]
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jurov no idea why [22:46]
jurov 14 guests viewing this board? lol [22:47]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00067519 = 17.2173 BTC [-] [22:55]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.33 = 4.95 BTC [+] [23:09]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18772 @ 0.00067519 = 12.6747 BTC [-] [23:10]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 12 @ 0.421 = 5.052 BTC [-] [23:10]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.421 = 0.842 BTC [-] [23:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.00598999 = 0.2995 BTC [+] [23:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00067519 = 7.3596 BTC [-] [23:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11113 @ 0.00067519 = 7.5034 BTC [-] [23:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4737 @ 0.00066769 = 3.1628 BTC [-] [23:21]
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mircea_popescu jurov cool [23:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.00598998 = 0.2995 BTC [-] [23:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.00598998 = 0.2995 BTC [-] [23:29]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [23:30]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.50001, Best ask: 15.54987, Bid-ask spread: 0.04986, Last trade: 15.50001, 24 hour volume: 67571.97026330, 24 hour low: 14.60030, 24 hour high: 15.68000, 24 hour vwap: 15.06797 [23:30]
dub i don't grok CREATE at all [23:37]
dub seems to just be a free printer for Garr [23:37]
mircea_popescu dub let's face it, pretending like we're doing finance is cool. [23:37]
dub well it is finance, like getting 'finance' from an appliance store, right? only not having to pay it back [23:38]
mircea_popescu yes and also all the chicks dig rich finance types. [23:39]
mircea_popescu course if he 3d printed lottery tickets [23:39]
mircea_popescu that'd be a true consolidated GLBSE legacy. [23:39]
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dub he could print a free DIY lobotomy tool for anyone that invests [23:40]
mircea_popescu they wouldn't know how to use it [23:41]
mircea_popescu and "invests"... well... kids wanna have fun on the interwebs. why not ? [23:42]
Namworld He should have made a bond like BTC-BOND [23:42]
dub its shaped like a pencil, you hold it up to an eye and slam your face into the desk [23:42]
mircea_popescu Namworld were you invested with amazingrando btw ? [23:42]
Namworld Yeah [23:43]
mircea_popescu are you screwed ? [23:43]
Namworld He owes me 770 BTC [23:43]
gigavps :O [23:43]
mircea_popescu meh. [23:43]
Namworld 2369 BTC total [23:43]
Namworld for BTC-MINING [23:44]
gigavps still no response? [23:44]
mircea_popescu 2.4k of which 800 due ? or 2.4k capital of which 800 writeoff ? [23:44]
Namworld 2.4k out of which I own 770 personally. [23:44]
gigavps ouch [23:44]
mircea_popescu so he owes 2369 btc to btc-mining of which 770 are your share ? [23:45]
Namworld He's more than late. He hasn't been answering my PMs ever since he said he stopped GPU mining and said he'd be back when BFL would ship because he spent everything on that. [23:45]
Namworld mircea: correct [23:45]
mircea_popescu nasty. [23:45]
gigavps Namworld he's still mining [23:45]
Namworld ... [23:45]
Namworld yeah, he's at your facility [23:45]
Namworld right? [23:45]
Namworld shared place? [23:45]
gigavps http://bitminter.com/livestats/big [23:45]
gigavps i'm have 14 machines in WA [23:46]
pigeons rota! [23:46]
mircea_popescu lol srsly. [23:46]
Namworld Yeah. If you have his contact info, I wouldn't mind. [23:46]
mircea_popescu so the guy with the 130 btc sent it off blockchain wallet ;/ [23:46]
mircea_popescu if there a way for a user to prove he owns a blockchain address ? [23:46]
jcpham mircea_popescu in the original terms/faq/whatever for mpex, didn't you have some wordage saying something about incorrect amount being sent to you would be kept [23:47]
jcpham or has that changed now with rota [23:47]
Namworld mircea: you can sign message with your blockchain.info addresses. [23:47]
jcpham i seem to recall wordage somehwere along those lines [23:47]
mircea_popescu jcpham it was always the case, but i mostly hold it as a reserve to protect against rampant idiocy. [23:47]
Namworld So should be fine. [23:47]
jcpham ic [23:47]
mircea_popescu otherwise, people should have equitable remedy if they're reasonable i think [23:47]
mircea_popescu Namworld o you can ? how ? [23:47]
dub ;;getrating amazingrando [23:48]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User amazingrando, rated since Sun Jan 8 01:29:35 2012. Cumulative rating 46, from 15 total ratings. Received ratings: 15 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 11 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=amazingrando [23:48]
mircea_popescu this guy is kinda noobish, i think detailed explanation would help him a lot. [23:48]
Namworld There should be an option somewhere. [23:48]
mircea_popescu (and i never used blockchain myself) [23:48]
Namworld Some people claimed with a blockchain address signing a message. [23:48]
mircea_popescu know who ? [23:48]
Namworld No, I was told how but I don't remember [23:48]
dub [16:46] if there a way for a user to prove he owns a blockchain address ? [23:48]
Namworld Should be in one of the dropdown menu when logged in. [23:48]
jcpham i'd also like to know [23:49]
dub ask roger? [23:49]
mircea_popescu lol dub [23:49]
mircea_popescu you're possibly the best troll here you know that ? [23:49]
jcpham the most prolific investor in bitcoin [23:49]
jcpham that's the verbatim [23:49]
gigavps bitcoin jesus [23:50]
mircea_popescu ya well, the dude fucked up. to be fair pretty much anyone in bitcoin has serious self image issues, so. [23:50]
pigeons i'm roger ver, respect my authorital! [23:50]
pigeons but i want to write country songs, all the ones i threw away for being too obvious are now #1 hits [23:51]
pigeons like beer with jesus [23:52]
jcpham jesus and ipads [23:52]
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pigeons yer lovin made me as sick as a dog, so i'm sickin my dog on you [23:53]
jurov if not else, at least i know now what "fiduciary" means :P [23:54]
mircea_popescu lol [23:54]
mircea_popescu comes from fides, in latin. trust. [23:54]
mircea_popescu http://www.csun.edu/~hcfll004/fides.html [23:55]
mircea_popescu a good explanation. [23:55]
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mircea_popescu "Alright, the contract has been revised, and I'm ready to list the shares. There's a BTC-TC database error preventing me from viewing the issuing account's portfolio, so as soon as Burnside fixes that the shares will be listed." [23:59]
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