Forum logs for 17 Feb 2013

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 100 @ 0.00067 = 0.067 BTC [+]	[00:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5557 @ 0.00066216 = 3.6796 BTC [+]	[00:07]
wao	http://bitcoinmagazine.com/mega-sidesteps-us-state-censorship-with-bitcoin/	[00:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.000657 = 6.8328 BTC [-]	[00:13]
dub	what the fuck	[00:14]
dub	dude is beyond retarded	[00:15]
dub	They accused Megaupload owner Kim Dotcom of a number of criminal indictments and begun a legal case.	[00:16]
dub	ENGLISH motherfucker	[00:16]
pigeons	is anyone's name on that article?	[00:17]
pigeons	"Bitcoin is more than drugs, sex and criminal gangsters. "	[00:18]
dub	its amir	[00:18]
dub	(of course)	[00:18]
pigeons	are you fucking kidding me?	[00:18]
dub	the official drooling mouthbreather of bitcoin pr	[00:18]
pigeons	no shit	[00:18]
pigeons	i've not heard of bitvoucher	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	amir is now writing for bitcoinrag ?	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	this is strangely fitting.	[00:21]
pigeons	http://unsystem.net/static/ppl/taaki.jpg	[00:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.0066063 = 0.9909 BTC [-]	[00:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 29 @ 0.00654141 = 0.1897 BTC [-]	[00:22]
dub	you can actually see the stupid in his face in that shot	[00:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4142 @ 0.000657 = 2.7213 BTC [-]	[00:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00065642 = 0.9846 BTC [-]	[00:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9558 @ 0.00065621 = 6.2721 BTC [-]	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	i like the door.	[00:23]
pigeons	ok bitvoucher just sells the megaupload codes, https://zipbit.co/ takes their bitcoin	[00:23]
dub	mircea_popescu: iirc him and the interscamgo set were in with vlad from teh start?	[00:25]
BitHub	can i buy any mega shares? :P	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	i don't think the minions (taaki, vlad, whatgever) are in with anyone particularly.	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	they just do what told.	[00:25]
dub	meh, I tuned out after they published teh first cover	[00:26]
pigeons	Currently, only New Zealand and Bermuda merchants can use zipbit's services	[00:26]
dub	thats like, 18 people?	[00:26]
BitHub	no Australians?	[00:26]
BitHub	wtf?	[00:27]
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pigeons	mircea_popescu: kimdotcom has his own rota http://www.fscl.org.nz/	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	lol except his is stupid and fat.	[00:31]
dub	that is KDCs?	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	so basically zipbit's patrick harnett's secret grinch project	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	dub ya	[00:31]
pigeons	clickt "list of participants and its 403 forbidden	[00:32]
dub	citation needed	[00:32]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11335 @ 0.00066216 = 7.5056 BTC [+]	[00:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2965 @ 0.00067449 = 1.9999 BTC [+]	[00:34]
pigeons	Trevor Slater, General Manager	[00:34]
pigeons	, ceo	[00:34]
pigeons	Susan Taylor	[00:34]
pigeons	sorry, i'll take a break	[00:35]
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pigeons	fuck it is patrick	[00:36]
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pigeons	Trendon did say he was "working for Bitcoin" too	[00:37]
dub	those people worked for the govt banking disputes resolution scheme, unlikely to be mega shills	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	pretty soon the scammers allied with the idiots will dominate everything	[00:37]
pigeons	no they are his rota	[00:37]
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dub	where is the link?	[00:38]
pigeons	Bruce Wagner, Human Resources	[00:38]
pigeons	Jonathan Ryan Owens, Marketing	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	this has got to be a joke	[00:39]
dub	whats jokey about it?	[00:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00065785 = 3.5524 BTC [-]	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	cause bruce is better at marketing	[00:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00065621 = 1.3124 BTC [-]	[00:40]
pigeons	but he gets to hire the interns this way	[00:40]
Namworld	xD	[00:41]
dub	fscl just looks like an advisory service for ombudsman cases	[00:41]
dub	financial ambulance chasers	[00:42]
pigeons	rota	[00:43]
dub	well no	[00:43]
dub	its nothing like that at all from first glance	[00:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5335 @ 0.00067449 = 3.5984 BTC [+]	[00:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00068034 = 2.9397 BTC [+]	[00:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00068035 = 1.2246 BTC [+]	[00:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2925 @ 0.00068254 = 1.9964 BTC [+]	[00:44]
pigeons	FSCL is an independent not-for-profit External Dispute Resolution (EDR) scheme	[00:44]
dub	they take your case to the DRS and clip the ticket	[00:44]
dub	http://www.fscl.org.nz/faq.php scope is the same as the actual service	[00:45]
dub	er http://www.cab.org.nz/vat/money/bit/Pages/TheBankingOmbudsman.aspx	[00:45]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.331 = 0.662 BTC [-]	[00:47]
pigeons	truffles: no, this is where you make a complaint against patrick harnett, he recuses himself and his friends say he should nake some token gesture and be cleared	[00:47]
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pigeons	borrowed tons of money at super-high rates, had his own "credit rating agency" that said all these stoners were "no risk", ran a passthrogh to ponzi@40,	[00:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 5000 @ 0.00067 = 3.35 BTC [+]	[00:52]
pigeons	made an agreement with mircea_popescu to invest someof his money in his lending business that would not be in pirate, flat out lied and everyone in that security that mp ran an etf that held some, they all lost	[00:52]
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pigeons	right he was in MPCDO or whatever?	[00:53]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 7 @ 0.00626 = 0.0438 BTC [+]	[01:15]
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pigeons	https://sites.google.com/a/bitcoin2012.com/homepage/_/rsrc/1332304086483/config/logo-medium.png	[01:23]
pigeons	do you like that one, or this one https://sites.google.com/a/bitcoin2012.com/homepage/_/rsrc/1343922718967/config/ad_bdt.jpg	[01:25]
Anduck	both suck	[01:25]
Anduck	soz	[01:26]
Anduck	1st one sucks less	[01:26]
pigeons	oh, your more of a https://sites.google.com/a/bitcoin2012.com/homepage/_/rsrc/1332293239618/config/intersango.png guy?	[01:26]
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mircea_popescu	lmao what is this, the logo cemetery ?	[01:29]
pigeons	https://s-media-cache-ec1.pinimg.com/550x/8f/fe/7c/8ffe7ca82beb62232e47f511294c8f8e.jpg	[01:30]
pigeons	i have these in hi-res if you want them for printing high quality posters	[01:31]
pigeons	https://s-media-cache-ec5.pinimg.com/550x/32/b8/3f/32b83feb0ae476de8bcea0c82126d014.jpg	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	a.... a gir ?!	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	photochop am i rite ?	[01:32]
pigeons	https://s-media-cache-ec9.pinimg.com/550x/31/49/e0/3149e02cc3eff69ea2731d8fd0fcc1d8.jpg	[01:34]
pigeons	i'll stop, but i like to share	[01:35]
pigeons	https://s-media-cache-ec4.pinimg.com/550x/97/a8/42/97a84201ac7873ff91a3dcfaf069055a.jpg	[01:35]
wao	like someone is selfposting	[01:35]
wao	:p	[01:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065921 = 2.8484 BTC [-]	[01:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6579 @ 0.00065906 = 4.336 BTC [-]	[01:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2671 @ 0.00065906 = 1.7603 BTC [-]	[01:59]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 31448 @ 0.00067 = 21.0702 BTC [+]	[01:59]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.00069 BTC [+]	[01:59]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1000 @ 0.0007 = 0.7 BTC [+]	[02:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 10 @ 0.00078 = 0.0078 BTC [+]	[02:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 3 @ 0.00079 = 0.0024 BTC [+]	[02:00]
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zanz	anyone got any info on how to actually make money using mpex.co?	[02:03]
zanz	like any info on or around the subject	[02:03]
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asciilifeform	zanz: I made 0.4 BTC (or 1.4 BTC, depending on how you count) using MPEX	[02:04]
pigeons	zanz, you buy stuff low and sell high, or you buy and hold and receive monthly dividends, or you buy and sell puts and calls on the price of bitcoin	[02:05]
asciilifeform	zanz: details here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108	[02:05]
zanz	ah yes, my days of the eve stock exchange have come back to me. how big is it atm? cheers for the good responses by the way	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	zanz ideally you buy low and sell high	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	if you catch bugpowder online sometime you could probably bug him for tips, i think he's one of the more successful traders	[02:06]
zanz	cheers bud. see reddit is now accepting bitcoins...	[02:08]
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pigeons	how's your learn japanese site usagi?	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	silvery.	[02:11]
thestringpuller	stop being poops	[02:12]
thestringpuller	will someone buy me food for btc	[02:12]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00999 BTC [+]	[02:12]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: buy me food lol	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	you know i've never used a credit card online ?	[02:14]
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pigeons	no	[02:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 300 @ 0.0063 = 1.89 BTC [+]	[02:19]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[02:19]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 27.38000, Best ask: 27.39978, Bid-ask spread: 0.01978, Last trade: 27.14000, 24 hour volume: 18524.25762086, 24 hour low: 26.80750, 24 hour high: 27.49989, 24 hour vwap: 27.16598	[02:19]
thestringpuller	;;seen smickles	[02:19]
gribble	smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 22 hours, 9 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: pong	[02:19]
thestringpuller	:(	[02:20]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 8 @ 0.00079 = 0.0063 BTC [+]	[02:20]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: have you heard from smickles outside the channel (email/anything else) I'm slightly worried.	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[02:20]
thestringpuller	should I be worried?	[02:20]
thestringpuller	that the assassins have been dispatched?	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	afaik his wife was due sometime this spring	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	maybe he had an early surprise.	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	did you try emailing him ?	[02:21]
thestringpuller	Not as of yet. I don't need anything, I was just hoping he was okay.	[02:22]
pigeons	his blog was reset	[02:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00065792 = 12.336 BTC [-]	[02:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2842 @ 0.00065621 = 1.8649 BTC [-]	[02:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 358 @ 0.00065554 = 0.2347 BTC [-]	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	what was his blog again ?	[02:23]
thestringpuller	something mostofmany	[02:23]
pigeons	http://blog.smickles.com/bitcoin/btc-is-scammed-about-as-much-as-usd/	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	o yea	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	hm	[02:24]
pigeons	not him http://sm.ickl.es/	[02:25]
thestringpuller	did he take the money and run? I would hate to insinuate as much.	[02:25]
pigeons	he's not been around for about 2 weeks, that's not unprecedented for him	[02:26]
pigeons	oh my i dont know about money and communication	[02:26]
pigeons	if he is your broker and didnt say anything and gone for 2 weeks thats different	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	so email him	[02:27]
pigeons	right assuming he's not answered your emails	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	i dunno that he's had that much money to run with anyway	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	he certainly had hundreds of my btcs at various past points (none atm)	[02:29]
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thestringpuller	nah unofficial broker	[02:30]
thestringpuller	I just hope the assassins weren't dispatched	[02:31]
thestringpuller	and the feds got to him or something	[02:31]
thestringpuller	since we're american and we can be killed at any time :P	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	dude get out	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	life's not quite as cinematic as all that	[02:32]
thestringpuller	Hahahaha	[02:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00065681 = 5.1888 BTC [+]	[02:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00065806 = 8.9167 BTC [+]	[02:43]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 372 @ 0.00637 = 2.3696 BTC [+]	[02:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1509 @ 0.00654141 = 9.871 BTC [-]	[02:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17142 @ 0.00065554 = 11.2373 BTC [-]	[02:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14676 @ 0.00065526 = 9.6166 BTC [-]	[02:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00065806 = 1.9742 BTC [+]	[03:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2674 @ 0.00065526 = 1.7522 BTC [-]	[03:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10757 @ 0.0006552 = 7.048 BTC [-]	[03:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00065493 = 5.7634 BTC [-]	[03:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5353 @ 0.00065485 = 3.5054 BTC [-]	[03:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00065476 = 10.6071 BTC [-]	[03:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00065465 = 8.936 BTC [-]	[03:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00065447 = 1.9634 BTC [-]	[03:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1109 @ 0.00065445 = 0.7258 BTC [-]	[03:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00065261 = 9.9523 BTC [-]	[03:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.0006519 = 1.9557 BTC [-]	[03:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10208 @ 0.00065072 = 6.6425 BTC [-]	[03:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2853 @ 0.00064875 = 1.8509 BTC [-]	[03:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00064838 = 2.1397 BTC [-]	[03:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1246 @ 0.0006466 = 0.8057 BTC [-]	[03:08]
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pigeons	https://www.bitmit.net/en/item/16917-secret-autowin-satoshidice-address-shhh-only-posting-this-once	[03:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.00639 = 0.0192 BTC [+]	[03:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 47 @ 0.00639 = 0.3003 BTC [+]	[03:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 700 @ 0.0063 = 4.41 BTC [+]	[03:15]
dub	listen very carefully I shall post this only once	[03:32]
dub	zee train was bummed	[03:32]
Diablo-D3	http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/02/16/mega-update-dotcoms-service-now-accepts-bitcoin-will-expand-into-email-chat-voice-video-and-mobile/	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	dude what service, seriously.	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	nobody cares.	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	siome fat fuck nobody cares about trying to hang on so the spotlight.	[03:48]
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thestringpuller	who ever makes the grubhub of bitcoin will be very rich	[04:04]
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thestringpuller	!ticker m S.MPOE	[04:05]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0006466 / 0.00066815 / 0.00068894 (1489738 shares, 995.38 BTC), 7D: 0.0006153 / 0.00064431 / 0.00068894 (13311812 shares, 8,577.03 BTC), 30D: 0.00059445 / 0.00066235 / 0.0007 (74869311 shares, 49,589.96 BTC)	[04:05]
thestringpuller	;;bc,diff	[04:05]
gribble	3275464.5865656	[04:05]
thestringpuller	;;bc,next	[04:06]
gribble	Error: "bc,next" is not a valid command.	[04:06]
thestringpuller	;;bc,nb	[04:06]
gribble	Error: "bc,nb" is not a valid command.	[04:06]
thestringpuller	;;bc,nextblock	[04:06]
gribble	Error: "bc,nextblock" is not a valid command.	[04:06]
thestringpuller	:(	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	about 3.6	[04:07]
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DeadWeasel	what exchanges to buy/sell btc do you use?	[04:42]
DeadWeasel	first, fuck coinbase, second, what exchanges do you use?	[04:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4171 @ 0.0006466 = 2.697 BTC [-]	[04:43]
DeadWeasel	i only want to hold, but I want my accounts set up for the future	[04:43]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1904 @ 0.0063 = 11.9952 BTC [+]	[04:46]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00671476 = 1.343 BTC [+]	[04:54]
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Chaang-Noi	2000 asic miners shares for sale now before i list them on the forum pm me if interested.	[04:55]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064581 = 2.7905 BTC [-]	[04:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5077 @ 0.0006458 = 3.2787 BTC [-]	[04:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3767 @ 0.00064571 = 2.4324 BTC [-]	[04:57]
Chaang-Noi	who wants to be an escrow for 800 plus btc? :)	[05:01]
kakobrekla	fee?	[05:01]
Chaang-Noi	haha, what is the going rate?	[05:01]
kakobrekla	dunno	[05:02]
Chaang-Noi	also do you have a forum account?	[05:02]
kakobrekla	ya	[05:02]
kakobrekla	what does a forum account have to do with this	[05:02]
Chaang-Noi	ill be having an auction on the forum	[05:02]
Chaang-Noi	so the noobs will have to trust you	[05:02]
kakobrekla	what are you selling?	[05:03]
Chaang-Noi	2000 asic miner shares	[05:04]
Chaang-Noi	i expect to bring in 800 plus btc	[05:04]
Chaang-Noi	no one wants to buy in bulk so far	[05:04]
kakobrekla	how are they being dlivered?	[05:04]
kakobrekla	delivered?	[05:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064624 = 2.7924 BTC [+]	[05:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12056 @ 0.00064649 = 7.7941 BTC [+]	[05:05]
Chaang-Noi	when friedcat hands then out, i send to their account and then i get the btc from escrow	[05:05]
Chaang-Noi	i assume that is what the others are doing	[05:06]
kakobrekla	how is he handing out?	[05:06]
kakobrekla	there must be a good way to verify delivery	[05:06]
Chaang-Noi	he is going to list it	[05:06]
Chaang-Noi	honestly i dont know, but this is how the others are doing it	[05:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 912 @ 0.00064649 = 0.5896 BTC [+]	[05:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.00065806 = 0.2632 BTC [+]	[05:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11479 @ 0.00065829 = 7.5565 BTC [+]	[05:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13009 @ 0.00065933 = 8.5772 BTC [+]	[05:07]
Chaang-Noi	if nothing else ill just tell friedcat who bought what, i asked him about my saelling it and he okayed it	[05:07]
kakobrekla	are those bonds going to be publicly traded?	[05:08]
Chaang-Noi	yes, soon	[05:08]
kakobrekla	on an exchange	[05:08]
kakobrekla	which one?	[05:08]
Chaang-Noi	i dont know lol	[05:08]
kakobrekla	jeez.	[05:08]
Chaang-Noi	why you want to buy them? :)	[05:08]
kakobrekla	dunno if.	[05:09]
kakobrekla	but if you want me to do escrow i have to know how its going down	[05:09]
Chaang-Noi	yeah, there are some things that have not been answered by friedcat	[05:09]
Chaang-Noi	he is working on the asics and well no one really seems to care	[05:09]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2361 @ 0.00064582 = 1.5248 BTC [-]	[05:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 424 @ 0.00064571 = 0.2738 BTC [-]	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	so apparently someone's blasting btc-e off da internets.	[05:24]
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Chaang-Noi	yeah mp it has been going on for a few days	[05:26]
Chaang-Noi	i only have 20 btc left with them now	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	the novacoin drama ?	[05:26]
Chaang-Noi	i hope so	[05:27]
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Chaang-Noi	i like btc-e	[05:27]
Chaang-Noi	i trust them not to work with dea/fbi cia	[05:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065927 = 2.8487 BTC [+]	[05:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6341 @ 0.00065933 = 4.1808 BTC [+]	[05:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5587 @ 0.0006633 = 3.7059 BTC [+]	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	why, just cause they're russians or w.e ?	[05:35]
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Chaang-Noi	yeah russian cyber criminals	[05:42]
Chaang-Noi	they use btc-e to launder their money...	[05:42]
Chaang-Noi	also the best use of alt coins ever...	[05:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064587 = 2.7908 BTC [-]	[05:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6402 @ 0.00064571 = 4.1338 BTC [-]	[05:53]
Chaang-Noi	oh this fucking forum	[06:04]
Chaang-Noi	its not like they dont have piles of btc to pay for shit that works	[06:04]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 607 @ 0.00064571 = 0.3919 BTC [-]	[06:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064553 = 2.7893 BTC [-]	[06:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00064552 = 10.877 BTC [-]	[06:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1186 @ 0.000643 = 0.7626 BTC [-]	[06:09]
Chaang-Noi	lol i highly doubt it	[06:10]
Chaang-Noi	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144574.0 oh lol type in the title	[06:12]
Chaang-Noi	typo	[06:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065073 = 2.8118 BTC [+]	[06:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00065103 = 9.8631 BTC [+]	[06:16]
B0g4r7	Isn't there like a 2700 btc bounty for new forum software?	[06:22]
broomkorn	thats one expensive forum	[06:23]
B0g4r7	http://wedge.org/pub/off/7386/bitcointalk-org-$11k-bounty-for-new-forum-software/	[06:25]
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Chaang-Noi	yeah it is stupid how high it is	[06:29]
Chaang-Noi	maybe theymos will kill it and run off with the money	[06:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17723 @ 0.00066085 = 11.7122 BTC [+]	[06:30]
Chaang-Noi	forum is more or less dead now	[06:30]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2148 @ 0.00066085 = 1.4195 BTC [+]	[06:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34 @ 0.00066085 = 0.0225 BTC [+]	[06:47]
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DeadWeasel	what charting software is good?	[06:58]
broomkorn	i like multicharts	[06:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064333 = 2.7798 BTC [-]	[07:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1579 @ 0.00064332 = 1.0158 BTC [-]	[07:00]
DeadWeasel	thx broom, i'll look it up.	[07:00]
OneFixt	anyone selling xrp?	[07:04]
knotwork	check offers in #ripple-market	[07:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9392 @ 0.00064332 = 6.0421 BTC [-]	[07:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 384 @ 0.000643 = 0.2469 BTC [-]	[07:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9474 @ 0.00064268 = 6.0888 BTC [-]	[07:08]
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Chaang-Noi	xrp? is that ripple?	[07:16]
Chaang-Noi	i guess so	[07:16]
jcpham	Yes chaaaaaaang	[07:16]
jcpham	You can't have any	[07:17]
jcpham	Don't bother asking	[07:17]
jcpham	Becuase it's mysterious	[07:21]
jcpham	Xrp = ripple for sure though	[07:21]
OneFixt	yup, it's ripple	[07:22]
OneFixt	it's very mysterious, and i'd like to buy it	[07:22]
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Chaang-Noi	im not interested and wont be until they explain how things work:/	[07:24]
Chaang-Noi	also, i do not like debt and well.. it seems all they trade in is debt.	[07:24]
Chaang-Noi	selling gold and or silver shipped from the usa, will take btc or ltc, escrow is fine.	[07:32]
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Chaang-Noi	of gold or of malt liquir?	[07:33]
Chaang-Noi	:) i was just being an ass :)	[07:33]
Chaang-Noi	most of the time im a cock.	[07:33]
Chaang-Noi	im not sure if i will sell in the future but feel free to ask. im sure my price will be better than anyone else.	[07:34]
Chaang-Noi	esp better than coinibul	[07:34]
Chaang-Noi	1.4 btc per oz?	[07:35]
Chaang-Noi	damn i was going to sell at spot.	[07:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5966 @ 0.00064705 = 3.8603 BTC [+]	[07:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2999 @ 0.00064739 = 1.9415 BTC [+]	[07:36]
Chaang-Noi	i was going to sell 1 oz englhard bars 1 oz each, they have serial numbers on them	[07:36]
Chaang-Noi	if shipping to china then yeah	[07:36]
Chaang-Noi	gold i have a 1 oz swiss bar	[07:36]
Chaang-Noi	i also have 1/10 1/4 and 1/2 krugerands but not at spot	[07:37]
Chaang-Noi	i need beer mone	[07:37]
Chaang-Noi	money*	[07:37]
Chaang-Noi	plus maybe an MBA....	[07:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2797 @ 0.00064268 = 1.7976 BTC [-]	[07:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.0006425 = 8.3846 BTC [-]	[07:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6153 @ 0.00064237 = 3.9525 BTC [-]	[07:38]
Chaang-Noi	one thing that might hurt me is if the btc price correct down to $20 before i can get beer/education	[07:38]
Chaang-Noi	my gold/silver is more or less my fiat savings	[07:38]
Chaang-Noi	my low risk savings...	[07:38]
jcpham	I'm a plain ol boring working stiff	[07:39]
jcpham	I have money rolling in all the time	[07:39]
Chaang-Noi	no one seems to want to higher me for some odd reason	[07:39]
jcpham	I live check to check and i piss on everything	[07:40]
jcpham	Woohoo	[07:40]
Chaang-Noi	checks? what are they again? :)	[07:40]
jcpham	Chaang-Noi you should definitely donate to my save the children fund	[07:40]
jcpham	My children are poor are really would enjoy heat	[07:41]
jcpham	It's nearly freezing outside...	[07:41]
Chaang-Noi	lol, i has my own children, and i do donate to kids here in thailand	[07:41]
jcpham	Isee	[07:41]
Chaang-Noi	about 5 miles from here there is an orphange for kids with aids,	[07:41]
jcpham	You are a cold hearted bastard	[07:41]
jcpham	I steal power from the local orphanage	[07:42]
jcpham	For nvidia gpu miners	[07:42]
Chaang-Noi	lol, did a big christmas thing for the last two years, two years ago took donations from the forum in the form of btc. sadly i converted that to fiat for them. btc was like $3 back then	[07:42]
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Chaang-Noi	i have no idea about that sort of stuff sorry	[07:49]
Chaang-Noi	my wife is more into that kinda stuff than i...	[07:49]
Chaang-Noi	and she is not at all into that sorta stuff :)	[07:49]
Chaang-Noi	og man, this forum is so fail	[07:50]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1322 @ 0.00064739 = 0.8558 BTC [+]	[08:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3411 @ 0.0006474 = 2.2083 BTC [+]	[08:15]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064706 = 2.7959 BTC [-]	[08:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15427 @ 0.0006474 = 9.9874 BTC [+]	[08:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7311 @ 0.00064908 = 4.7454 BTC [+]	[08:34]
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mircea_popescu	sooo... bitcoin just got mentioned on coast to coast am	[08:52]
mircea_popescu	courtesy of marta mcculler >D	[08:52]
Chaang-Noi	cool	[09:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00064718 = 3.9154 BTC [-]	[09:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21389 @ 0.00064908 = 13.8832 BTC [+]	[09:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00065406 = 11.2498 BTC [+]	[09:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00065691 = 3.2517 BTC [+]	[09:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 411 @ 0.00066206 = 0.2721 BTC [+]	[09:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 100 @ 0.00068 = 0.068 BTC [-]	[09:19]
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Namworld	mircea_popescu	[09:20]
Namworld	just to say that BitVPS shares still appear on STATS, somehow. I guess that was not removed yet.	[09:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 647 @ 0.00064237 = 0.4156 BTC [-]	[09:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064231 = 2.7754 BTC [-]	[09:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6732 @ 0.0006423 = 4.324 BTC [-]	[09:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 6040 @ 0.0063 = 38.052 BTC [+]	[09:27]
Namworld	I'll need more S.DICE soon at this rate...	[09:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 4 @ 0.00999 = 0.04 BTC [+]	[09:32]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 563 @ 0.01 = 5.63 BTC [+]	[09:34]
Namworld	Someone's been buying a lot of my stuff it seems.	[09:41]
Namworld	and bitcointalk seems like it's perpetually having problems loading this past week.	[09:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 6000 @ 0.0064 = 38.4 BTC [+]	[09:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3000 @ 0.00649 = 19.47 BTC [+]	[09:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00687 BTC [+]	[09:42]
Namworld	At last some GSDPT movement	[09:44]
ThickAsThieves	that puts sdice pretty evenly priced on all exchanges now	[09:45]
ThickAsThieves	other than havelock	[09:46]
Namworld	yeah	[09:46]
Namworld	indeed	[09:46]
ThickAsThieves	Do you know if Deprived hangs out in here?	[09:51]
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Namworld	I think he is around here sometimes indeed	[09:55]
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ThickAsThieves	thanks	[09:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065058 = 2.8112 BTC [+]	[10:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13229 @ 0.00065091 = 8.6109 BTC [+]	[10:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4271 @ 0.00065091 = 2.78 BTC [+]	[10:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3842 @ 0.00065199 = 2.5049 BTC [+]	[10:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3939 @ 0.00065446 = 2.5779 BTC [+]	[10:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6048 @ 0.00065886 = 3.9848 BTC [+]	[10:19]
jurov	!ticker btctc bitvps	[10:23]
assbot	[BTCT:BITVPS] 1D: 0.00449 / 0.0045 / 0.00449 (510 shares, 2.3 BTC), 7D: 0.00449 / 0.0 / 0.0045 (610 shares, 2.7 BTC), 30D: 0.00449 / 0.0 / 0.0045 (610 shares, 2.7 BTC)	[10:23]
jurov	wow	[10:23]
Namworld	yeah, I'm surprised too	[10:27]
Namworld	A bit out of whack, especially since we're not turning a profit at all, at least right now.	[10:28]
Namworld	We should soon have another owned server. That should slash ~600 USD a month in rent fees.	[10:28]
Namworld	But with BTC rising much faster than our USD profits...	[10:29]
Namworld	Our price are adjusted based on rate after all. More USD/BTC, less BTC we get.	[10:29]
Schadenfreude	What is bitvps exactly?	[10:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064584 = 2.7907 BTC [-]	[10:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9679 @ 0.00064555 = 6.2483 BTC [-]	[10:36]
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Namworld	It's BitVPS	[10:41]
Namworld	the most reknown server provider in Bitcoins	[10:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064568 = 2.79 BTC [+]	[10:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7921 @ 0.00064555 = 5.1134 BTC [-]	[10:42]
Namworld	We're hosting slush's pool and clarkmoody.com among other notorious bitcoin websites.	[10:42]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.331 = 0.662 BTC [-]	[11:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.33 = 0.99 BTC [-]	[11:03]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.33 BTC [-]	[11:03]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00064368 = 6.0506 BTC [-]	[11:06]
Namworld	Sounds good. Thanks.	[11:07]
*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[16:32]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: http://mpex.co \|\| https://coinbr.com \|\| https://www.havelockinvestments.com \|\| https://btct.co \|\| https://bitfunder.com \|\| https://icbit.se \|\| https://cryptostocks.com \|\| https://therocktrading.com \|\| http://picostocks.com \|\| list bot commands: !help \|\| Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades \|\| biased msg: http://bit4x.com	[16:32]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Thu Feb 14 01:53:47 2013	[16:32]
Namworld_afk	Ah, well it's late. I'm out.	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	nn	[16:33]
pigeons	ah i cant argue mircea_popescu against Namworld_afk in the btct.co order matching issue	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	eh ?	[16:33]
pigeons	why doesn't mpex allow asset issuers and the exchange to present a deliberately false picture of asset demand by allowing a user to bid up to his total balance for eash mpsic?	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136104976652.jpg pic related.	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	pigeons because mpex is built to be fast. when a new order comes in the trade engine does not have the time to check if its book is covered.	[16:35]
pigeons	instead of requiring full collateral to back each order	[16:35]
pigeons	oh so its only for speed?	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	no, it's not only for speed	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	but speed is a sufficient consideration :D	[16:36]
pigeons	are the non-speed issues sufficient consideration?	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	i am not at liberty to comment on that issue.	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	of course they are. the only reason irl books contain unpaid orders is because they are still binding, but irl has credit.	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	and people don't get to put things in the book that aren't credit-worthy and leverage-able over their eyes.	[16:39]
ThickAsThieves	would you say btctc/ltcglobal should remove the false bidding power? Or that it's no biggie?	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	it's also a race condition waiting to happen, which they'll discover just as soon as rthey're forced to implement multimachine systems	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	which is quite possibly "never", so why shouldn't they have their fun ?	[16:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 2 @ 0.71 = 1.42 BTC [-]	[16:41]
pigeons	in the case of orders backed by credit, those are acutally backed by credit, unbacked orders don't contribute less to distortion just because margin exist	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	yes, the confusion here is between "i feel i could afford a car" and "i can actually afford a car".	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	the latter can be the case even if you have no more than 3 dollars in your pocket.	[16:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.0006567 = 2.6268 BTC [+]	[16:44]
pigeons	i think intentionally profiting from a distored picture of demand and liquidity is unethical	[16:45]
Ukto	just sat back down	[16:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 6 @ 0.00068 = 0.0041 BTC [-]	[16:46]
Ukto	i have already stated my opinion on it, not going to rehash it	[16:46]
pigeons	i used to think that they should do what they like, even though you are right, but now i think all these little innacuracies add up and we shoulod draw the line sooner	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	pigeons that may be. it is also a self-limiting disease so.	[16:47]
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mircea_popescu	all orders flushed.	[16:50]
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mircea_popescu	and i just sent a 1338 byte tx. sooo close!	[16:52]
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Bugpowder	Sold a kid with braces 20BTC yesterday	[16:54]
kakobrekla	lol	[16:54]
Bugpowder	he was like... I can't buy into the stock market yet	[16:54]
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Bugpowder	so I'll trade BTC	[16:54]
kakobrekla	how old?	[16:54]
Bugpowder	I bought me first coins a month and a half ago and I'm up $10 / coin	[16:54]
Bugpowder	prob 16-18	[16:54]
Bugpowder	he could drive	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	now do it with a girl.	[16:55]
Bugpowder	lol	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	:D	[16:55]
Bugpowder	coinbase I think is really making the US retail market explode	[16:55]
Chaang-Noi	kids are smart	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	coast to coast am got a question from a marti in romania yest	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	which made them mention bitcoin on teh airs.	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	they were like "o, i hear it's big in europe"	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	about 10 minutes after going "o, yurpeans are a lot more sensible about money and stuff"	[16:56]
Chaang-Noi	cool	[16:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2335 @ 0.0006567 = 1.5334 BTC [+]	[16:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22865 @ 0.0006583 = 15.052 BTC [+]	[16:57]
Bugpowder	lol	[16:58]
Bugpowder	is george noore still doing that?	[16:58]
Bugpowder	who is current host	[16:58]
Bugpowder	they must have loved the meteor	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	nah some guy wells	[16:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065506 = 2.8305 BTC [-]	[17:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19843 @ 0.00065492 = 12.9956 BTC [-]	[17:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 336 @ 0.0006525 = 0.2192 BTC [-]	[17:00]
Bugpowder	Art bell was da best	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	i never followed it	[17:01]
kakobrekla	;;ticker	[17:01]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 26.43004, Best ask: 26.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06996, Last trade: 26.42003, 24 hour volume: 37853.90052231, 24 hour low: 26.08801, 24 hour high: 27.40000, 24 hour vwap: 26.82858	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	pigeons do you happen to have somewhere nearby the famous "with blood sweat and tears" email from our friend tom ?	[17:05]
pigeons	no	[17:05]
pigeons	tom williams neither	[17:06]
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pigeons	i listended to coast to coast years ago but when it was people calling in saying" oh my god i looked at my clock and it was 2:22, there are no coincidences" i had to give it up	[17:07]
pigeons	"like a few weeks later, i thought about it and looked at a different clock and it was 3:33	[17:07]
pigeons	what does it mea???	[17:08]
pigeons	mean	[17:08]
pigeons	thye regularly had whole shows where everyone would call in and tell about how that happens when they look at the clock too	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/whats-a-sperglord/ there we go.	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	pigeons supposedly there's ~4-5 mn listeners that got hit	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	prolly 1-5% of them had heard of bitcoin prevbiously	[17:10]
Bicknellski	Now this is a chat where it is at...	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	prolly 90% of them would fit like toes in a silk stocking on bitcointalk	[17:10]
kakobrekla	;;ticker	[17:10]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 26.45000, Best ask: 26.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 26.45000, 24 hour volume: 38095.04921954, 24 hour low: 26.08801, 24 hour high: 27.40000, 24 hour vwap: 26.82461	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	or at least those are my figures.	[17:10]
Bicknellski	This article is available for a fee. So sad...	[17:11]
Bicknellski	;)	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	o ? your name is new, how did you run out of credits ?	[17:12]
Bicknellski	never had any... that is how new I be	[17:12]
Bicknellski	thanks for the concern...	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	you get like 5 each week	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	possibly you're on a shared ip or something but hot damn.	[17:12]
Bicknellski	right over my head mircea_popescu	[17:13]
Bicknellski	have to slow it down for this nub	[17:13]
Bicknellski	5 each week where and how	[17:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1410 @ 0.0006583 = 0.9282 BTC [+]	[17:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065885 = 2.8469 BTC [+]	[17:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2819 @ 0.00065886 = 1.8573 BTC [+]	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	trilema identifies users by ip. you not having credits means someone read 5+ articles this week from yoru very ip	[17:13]
Bicknellski	must be me.	[17:14]
Bicknellski	I read a few	[17:14]
Bicknellski	doubt anyone else in Indonesia reading your stuff at the moment.	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	ah ok.	[17:15]
Bugpowder	lol	[17:15]
Bicknellski	Nice feature	[17:15]
Bicknellski	hooked me already with your written work	[17:15]
Bicknellski	l)	[17:15]
Bugpowder	silghtly annoying that I can't have 2 ips linked to my credits though.	[17:16]
Bugpowder	gotta reestablish credentials when I take laptop to work	[17:16]
Bugpowder	and back	[17:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 5 @ 0.99 = 4.95 BTC [-]	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder if you get a pw you can have as many as you want	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	you can load the respective cookie in 500 systems.	[17:17]
pigeons	how many credits does EskimoBob have?	[17:18]
Bugpowder	ok I will try that	[17:18]
Bicknellski	Guessing I am going to have to do a lot of homework to make it worth my while to use MPEx... not really for the novice is it?	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	Bicknellski well look at it this way : are you interested in bitcoin to learn/widen horizons or to feed yourself ?	[17:18]
Bicknellski	Definitely... Im a Montessori teacher so we are by nature trained be just that widening horizons and feed our selves to fit in the environment we create for our students	[17:20]
Bicknellski	love to learn new stuff especially from people who have the right vision and clarity.	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	cool. so then : yes you'll have to do a ton of reading.	[17:20]
Bicknellski	love your perspective on things	[17:20]
Bugpowder	mpex is awesome	[17:21]
Bugpowder	it does have a learning curve	[17:21]
Bicknellski	figured as much blech	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder nu-uh! read the forums!	[17:21]
Bicknellski	nothing great is easy	[17:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2404 @ 0.00065886 = 1.5839 BTC [+]	[17:21]
Bicknellski	which link above to the forums.	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	hm	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	;;google site:bitcointalk.org mpex sucks	[17:23]
gribble	So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right?: ; [MPEx] CDO roll call for bond issuers: ; Print Page - MPEx Accounts Spring Scrub, 2013:	[17:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 14.1 BTC [+]	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	eh um. i give.	[17:23]
Bicknellski	Merci	[17:23]
pigeons	;;google mpex is teh sux	[17:23]
gribble	Strobist: What China Doesn't Understand: ; Mogliamante pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; The greatest smartphone app… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...:	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	how the hell does my review of mogliamante come into that	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	you know sometimes i suspect google algo is broken.	[17:24]
Bicknellski	if i was cool I'd set my name to Bicknellski away getting eduficated.	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	o, is Bicknellski your irl pw:rn ?	[17:25]
Chaang-Noi	anyone here like beer?	[17:25]
Bicknellski	yea what you said... whoosh right over the nubs head... ya IPA please	[17:25]
Bicknellski	or a blue	[17:25]
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mircea_popescu	http://cheezburger.com/4669066240	[17:26]
Bugpowder	Stone IPA	[17:26]
Bugpowder	or Ruination	[17:26]
Bugpowder	Weihenstephaner Korbinian	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	pw:rn aka powerword:real name. it uses some tabletop game reference to slightly chuckle at how concerned people are with "their real name"	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	which is quite magical thinking at its core	[17:27]
ThickAsThieves	i love Ruination	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	what is ruination ?	[17:27]
ThickAsThieves	very hoppy IPA	[17:27]
ThickAsThieves	from Stone	[17:27]
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mircea_popescu	oh teh beerz	[17:28]
Bicknellski	Or... Maudite	[17:30]
Bicknellski	got one of those at the back of the cooler	[17:30]
Bugpowder	yeah dats good	[17:30]
Bugpowder	best I have had is Russian River Supplication though	[17:30]
Bicknellski	Or Canadian (Indian Pale Ale)	[17:30]
Bugpowder	to spendy though	[17:30]
Bicknellski	cant remember who brews it	[17:30]
Bicknellski	Molson?	[17:30]
Bugpowder	$13 / bottle	[17:30]
Bicknellski	or Labatts	[17:30]
ThickAsThieves	Pliny the Elder is a great IPA as well	[17:31]
Bugpowder	I want to try it	[17:31]
Bugpowder	don't have distro in DC	[17:31]
ThickAsThieves	found it online once	[17:31]
ThickAsThieves	haven't looked lately	[17:31]
Bicknellski	Ok so Microbrew check	[17:31]
Bicknellski	Intelligent conversation check	[17:31]
Bicknellski	... people that lead you around by the nose till you can communicate effectively and not be stupid... check	[17:32]
Bicknellski	be back in 6 months ish when the initiation is over lol	[17:32]
Bugpowder	the initiation is buying into a bubble and losing half your coins	[17:33]
Bugpowder	OR	[17:33]
Bugpowder	buying GLBSE stocks	[17:33]
Bugpowder	maybe no initiation for you though	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	im sure he'll find something to buy into and lose all his coins	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	!ticker m s.bbet	[17:34]
assbot	[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.00165 / 0.00193191 / 0.001965 (18002 shares, 34.78 BTC), 7D: 0.001599 / 0.00188869 / 0.001965 (25302 shares, 47.79 BTC), 30D: 0.0003 / 0.00129541 / 0.001965 (139210 shares, 180.33 BTC)	[17:34]
Bugpowder	good choice	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	ok wtf happened here. 200 ? what, srsly ?	[17:34]
Bugpowder	:-P	[17:34]
Bugpowder	seeriously	[17:35]
Bugpowder	I dumped at 30000	[17:35]
Bugpowder	OOOOPS	[17:35]
Bicknellski	ya I get that...	[17:35]
Bugpowder	The nice thing is	[17:35]
Bugpowder	sometimes the initiation is you double your coins	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	haha this is also true.	[17:36]
Bicknellski	Unfortunately I dont like gambling so I am hopeful not to buy into something and lose the few coins I can afford to lose	[17:36]
Bugpowder	then you get overconfident	[17:36]
Bicknellski	not a very addictive personality.	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	truth of the matter is, mpex is liquid to the tune of 1-200k btc a month, but volatile to the tune of 1-500% a month too	[17:36]
Bugpowder	and buy puts	[17:36]
Bicknellski	and with age not so worried about proving anything.	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder just like in the real market amirite ?	[17:37]
Chaang-Noi	if had to pick only one, the one you could not pick you could not have for the rest of your life.. options are beer or btc, what do you pick?	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	btc.	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	i think i drunk a liter of beer in my entire life	[17:37]
wao	dont do it again!	[17:37]
Bugpowder	yep	[17:37]
Bugpowder	just more volitile	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	way	[17:37]
Bicknellski	beer I can pass up these days drank my fill when I was younger	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	with experience im realising this is the main warning actual people need re mpex.	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	i don't think anyone natively realises just how god damned volatile it is, even if they be otherwise sane and educated/experienced traders whatnot	[17:38]
davos	well if they're otherwise sane, educated, and experienced they'd probably realize that pretty quickly	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	then again that's what Bugpowder was saying... it takes a slap in the face	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	"fuck you bitch, i can remain insane longer than you can remain solvent"	[17:39]
davos	indeed	[17:39]
davos	but that's how most learning is done anyway	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	i guess that's true	[17:40]
Bicknellski	so fear is a good friend to have.	[17:41]
Bicknellski	nice to know	[17:41]
davos	"if you're not afraid you're not paying attention" or something like that.	[17:41]
Bicknellski	If you think your business plan has to be kept secret because otherwise others will steal it you are probably too stupid to be in business (not just BTC, but in general).	[17:43]
Bicknellski	LOL comedy.	[17:43]
Bicknellski	Ya flown planes before it is a lot like that...	[17:43]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.02094 BTC [-]	[17:54]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 30 @ 0.00986 = 0.2958 BTC [-]	[18:01]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 43 @ 0.00986 = 0.424 BTC [-]	[18:01]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.35 = 0.7 BTC [+]	[18:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.01 = 0.02 BTC [+]	[18:03]
Diablo-D3	Namworld_afk: you there?	[18:04]
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Diablo-D3	nevermind, I looked it up myself	[18:04]
kakobrekla	;;ticker	[18:06]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 26.34001, Best ask: 26.40300, Bid-ask spread: 0.06299, Last trade: 26.30116, 24 hour volume: 40871.65631664, 24 hour low: 26.06000, 24 hour high: 27.40000, 24 hour vwap: 26.78838	[18:06]
Diablo-D3	;;ticker btcmc	[18:06]
gribble	(ticker [--bid\|--ask\|--last\|--high\|--low\|--avg] [--currency XXX]) -- Return pretty-printed mtgox ticker. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure that the three letter code you enter is a valid currency (1 more message)	[18:06]
Diablo-D3	er	[18:06]
Diablo-D3	!ticker btcmc	[18:06]
assbot	The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.	[18:06]
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Diablo-D3	wait, btcmc never relisted anywhere did iyt	[18:10]
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Diablo-D3	;;ticker --last	[18:13]
gribble	26.26140	[18:13]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01653 BTC [-]	[18:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01652 BTC [-]	[18:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 50 @ 0.0165 = 0.825 BTC [-]	[18:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00657819 = 6.5782 BTC [-]	[18:16]
Ukto	hey Namworld_afk what are the chances of getting a financial update for bvps? I was actually kind of expecting it with the btct listing :/	[18:16]
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kakobrekla	;;ticker	[18:22]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 25.50000, Best ask: 25.70000, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 25.70000, 24 hour volume: 47618.69244929, 24 hour low: 25.50000, 24 hour high: 27.40000, 24 hour vwap: 26.65796	[18:22]
kakobrekla	;;ticker	[18:25]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 25.00194, Best ask: 25.70000, Bid-ask spread: 0.69806, Last trade: 25.00194, 24 hour volume: 52259.12969220, 24 hour low: 25.00000, 24 hour high: 27.40000, 24 hour vwap: 26.52656	[18:25]
DeadWeasel	;;ticker	[18:26]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 25.00000, Best ask: 25.75000, Bid-ask spread: 0.75000, Last trade: 25.00000, 24 hour volume: 52347.58935410, 24 hour low: 25.00000, 24 hour high: 27.40000, 24 hour vwap: 26.52406	[18:26]
DeadWeasel	crikey, nosedive	[18:26]
DeadWeasel	i hope m t w gets a boost from media attention.	[18:26]
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wao	;;ticker	[18:29]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 25.00000, Best ask: 25.20000, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 25.00000, 24 hour volume: 52704.76362301, 24 hour low: 25.00000, 24 hour high: 27.40000, 24 hour vwap: 26.51089	[18:29]
wao	going down	[18:29]
kakobrekla	;;goxlag	[18:30]
gribble	237.206307 seconds	[18:30]
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Diablo-D3	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77469.msg1534415#msg1534415	[18:32]
Chaang-Noi	wow	[18:32]
Chaang-Noi	wow at gox lag	[18:33]
Ukto	wonder if hte api lags also	[18:34]
Ukto	when the site does	[18:35]
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Ukto	the*	[18:35]
Diablo-D3	Ukto, Chaang-Noi, DeadWeasel, mircea_popescu, Namworld_afk, EskimoBob: ^	[18:36]
Chaang-Noi	?	[18:38]
Chaang-Noi	im going to bed, night all	[18:39]
Bicknellski	Nite	[18:39]
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Diablo-D3	So, basically, in the end, I can pay back what was originally paid out, give or take.	[18:40]
Bicknellski	Diablo-D3: So lucky then... will you ever do this again?	[18:41]
Diablo-D3	I think so.	[18:41]
Diablo-D3	I still think the original plan works.	[18:41]
Bicknellski	Id like to learn more ... got read 40 pages in that thread	[18:42]
Bicknellski	lol	[18:43]
kakobrekla	;;ticker	[18:43]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 25.92338, Best ask: 25.92440, Bid-ask spread: 0.00102, Last trade: 25.92338, 24 hour volume: 54018.28756317, 24 hour low: 25.00000, 24 hour high: 27.40000, 24 hour vwap: 26.49505	[18:43]
Bicknellski	So the plan for maine?	[18:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065274 = 2.8205 BTC [-]	[18:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7792 @ 0.00065253 = 5.0845 BTC [-]	[18:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 487 @ 0.0006525 = 0.3178 BTC [-]	[18:44]
Bicknellski	where would you get the asics?	[18:45]
Diablo-D3	the asics are going to be dropped from the dmc 2.0 plan	[18:45]
Bicknellski	really	[18:45]
Bicknellski	huh?	[18:45]
Bicknellski	but doesnt asicminer? have a viable option?	[18:46]
Diablo-D3	maybe.	[18:46]
Diablo-D3	see, the plan was three fold	[18:46]
Bicknellski	I would think it is the best route no?	[18:46]
Bicknellski	considering electricity	[18:46]
Diablo-D3	1) break even or even exceed power usage generating our own power	[18:46]
Diablo-D3	2) focus on customers that want to do high density computing, renting racks for $20-30k/mo	[18:47]
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Diablo-D3	3) use 2-3 racks for ASICs, out of 2-3 dozen.	[18:47]
Bicknellski	So why the US?	[18:48]
Diablo-D3	because most customers need to have their computers racked in the US	[18:48]
Bicknellski	just easier for you to get everything cheap I guess	[18:48]
Bicknellski	power, building etc	[18:48]
Diablo-D3	maine is also very close to the ny/boston/toronto information corridor	[18:48]
Diablo-D3	which is where most of the world's internet traffic goes through	[18:49]
Bicknellski	ya makes sense	[18:49]
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Bicknellski	so huge part is the rental	[18:49]
Diablo-D3	yes	[18:49]
Bicknellski	that offsets everything	[18:49]
davos	new england is also good because of the higher $/kWh	[18:49]
Diablo-D3	davos: yes, but thats two fold	[18:49]
davos	if you're producing your own power	[18:50]
Diablo-D3	without the generating electricity part, that'd be the biggest problem	[18:50]
Diablo-D3	HOWEVER	[18:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2029 @ 0.00065886 = 1.3368 BTC [+]	[18:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066024 = 2.8529 BTC [+]	[18:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00066025 = 8.022 BTC [+]	[18:50]
Diablo-D3	large industrial customers pay much less	[18:50]
Bicknellski	Ya...	[18:50]
Diablo-D3	I mean much much less	[18:50]
Bicknellski	volume	[18:50]
Diablo-D3	they pay what industrial customers pay across the nation, instead of high maine prices	[18:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.35 = 0.7 BTC [+]	[18:51]
davos	national grid pricing - which is what you'd be getting paid for surplus e2	[18:51]
Bicknellski	not looked into other countries for something similar?	[18:51]
Diablo-D3	its quirk of maine pricing, they only gouge residential and commercial	[18:51]
Bicknellski	or say secondary roll out?	[18:51]
Diablo-D3	Bicknellski: maybe secondary roll outs	[18:51]
Diablo-D3	but not the original	[18:51]
Bicknellski	maybe china or india	[18:51]
davos	for international you'd probably want to move upchain rather than down - do EU and get the tax benes and such for the power	[18:52]
Bicknellski	closer to chips in China	[18:52]
Bicknellski	lol build your own asics	[18:52]
Bicknellski	lol	[18:52]
davos	meh. for chips you airfreight anyway - time isn't THAT big of a deal	[18:53]
Bicknellski	so says BFL	[18:54]
Bicknellski	lol	[18:54]
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Bicknellski	It be interesting to have something akin to your idea scaled down in Indonesia	[18:55]
Bicknellski	lots of unused manufacturing properties in Jakarta	[18:55]
Diablo-D3	yeah, Im not interested in areas of hte world that constantly suffer from national or social disasters	[18:55]
davos	i'd probably go with something more like denmark - if you can get a permit for a 30m tower @ 35 KW in the $350k range pre-benes; then get decent network rates on surplus e2	[18:55]
Diablo-D3	no flooding, no tornadoes, no hurricanes	[18:56]
davos	not to mention a shitty grid	[18:56]
Diablo-D3	and no earthquakes	[18:56]
Bicknellski	Ya for your model	[18:56]
Bicknellski	... if your rent server racks	[18:56]
Diablo-D3	like, all those DCs in washington dc, north virginia, and NYC? fuck that shit	[18:56]
Bicknellski	but that must be a hard sell	[18:56]
Diablo-D3	Bicknellski: btw, its with power included and unlimited power	[18:57]
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Diablo-D3	a lot of racks down at around $5k have shitty cooling and like 1 or 2 15a circuits	[18:57]
Diablo-D3	even if you could fill the rack, it'd overheat badly	[18:57]
Bicknellski	solar cheaper here or more cost effective...	[18:57]
Bicknellski	considering on the equator	[18:57]
Diablo-D3	maine isnt magically shitty at solar	[18:57]
Bicknellski	but youd need oil cooled	[18:57]
Bicknellski	I think	[18:57]
Diablo-D3	sun shines diagonally across the US	[18:58]
Diablo-D3	the line goes from arizona to maine	[18:58]
Bicknellski	ya we got 90 most of the time here	[18:58]
Bicknellski	roasting	[18:58]
Diablo-D3	if you look at solar panel graphs, you can see the line dragging sun hours across the north to south lines	[18:59]
Bicknellski	so basically your miners are the hook for btc investment	[19:00]
Diablo-D3	Bicknellski: well, that was the point	[19:00]
Diablo-D3	I owuldnt need to convert USD to BTC	[19:00]
Diablo-D3	the asics would have generated everything I needed	[19:00]
Bicknellski	I wouldnt think people look twice at rack operation	[19:00]
Diablo-D3	thus lowering costs	[19:00]
Bicknellski	ya... it is a good biz model	[19:00]
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Bicknellski	maybe you should look into that for packaging that for businesses who already have data centers	[19:01]
Diablo-D3	they're already doomed	[19:01]
Diablo-D3	most datacenters simply cannot handle high density computing	[19:01]
Bicknellski	I imagine a few miners would racked in be good to offset costs?	[19:01]
Diablo-D3	they'd have to tear EVERYTHING out to reconfigure it like I wanted	[19:02]
Bicknellski	that wont fly for them	[19:02]
Diablo-D3	it'd be cheaper just to build a new DC from scratch using an existing warehouse-type building	[19:02]
Diablo-D3	which is what DMC's plan was	[19:02]
Bicknellski	target companies moving downsizing or upgrading	[19:02]
Diablo-D3	most companies dont have DCs	[19:02]
Diablo-D3	if they do, its really just a rack in a room	[19:02]
Bicknellski	they outsource	[19:03]
Diablo-D3	they rent space	[19:03]
Diablo-D3	the datacenter market is ALWAYS full	[19:03]
Bicknellski	ya been in a few state of the art ones	[19:03]
Bicknellski	in Singapore	[19:03]
Diablo-D3	you know what I find ironic?	[19:03]
Diablo-D3	google did a tour of theirs	[19:03]
Diablo-D3	its shit	[19:03]
Bicknellski	lol	[19:03]
Diablo-D3	they could double their effective rack space if they did it my way	[19:03]
Diablo-D3	and save a lot on costs as well	[19:03]
Bicknellski	so you do design then	[19:04]
Diablo-D3	yes and no	[19:04]
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Diablo-D3	I'd still need to hire a company or three to actually do the work	[19:04]
Bicknellski	what is your background? engineering?	[19:04]
Diablo-D3	what Im good at is running numbers.	[19:04]
markedathome\|wth	Diablo-D3: certified audited accounts available?	[19:05]
Bicknellski	so will you relist on mpex?	[19:07]
Bicknellski	I mean is that an option?	[19:07]
Diablo-D3	markedathome\|wth: I think Im going to have to hire a lawyer and accountant too. I'm not sure what that is, sadlyyyyyyyyyyy	[19:08]
Bicknellski	be very interested to see what you have planned for this IPO	[19:08]
Diablo-D3	vnc is sticking key events again	[19:08]
Diablo-D3	Bicknellski: its going to be corporate bonds.	[19:08]
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Diablo-D3	Bicknellski: no more shares	[19:08]
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Bicknellski	more efficient	[19:08]
Diablo-D3	more legal	[19:09]
Diablo-D3	nefario lied about his exchange and the legality of the shares glbse listed companies were issuing	[19:09]
Bicknellski	ya	[19:09]
Diablo-D3	which is why I have to buy all of these shares back before I can start on dmc 2.0	[19:10]
Bicknellski	so we lenders get a fixed interest and money back for our bonds	[19:10]
Diablo-D3	yup	[19:10]
Bicknellski	ya good on ya...	[19:10]
Bicknellski	that shows stones	[19:10]
Bicknellski	... fuck Id be pissed	[19:10]
Bicknellski	flip the chess board pissed	[19:11]
Diablo-D3	something like the equiv of 5% annually over 10 years on zero coupon OID bonds	[19:11]
Bicknellski	denominations?	[19:11]
Bicknellski	have any idea?	[19:11]
Diablo-D3	might be 1k btc each	[19:12]
Diablo-D3	Im also upping the IPO amount from $1m USD to $10m USD	[19:13]
Bicknellski	ya lawyer time	[19:13]
Bicknellski	lol	[19:13]
Bicknellski	3000 USD	[19:14]
Bicknellski	or less	[19:14]
davos	It sorta feels to me as though you'd be better off with a USD listing than a btc listing.	[19:14]
Bicknellski	ya	[19:15]
Diablo-D3	davos: I think Im going to accept USD as well	[19:15]
Bicknellski	seems pretty hard to get that much btc	[19:15]
Diablo-D3	but the minimum investment is going to be much higher	[19:15]
davos	well that's not really my thought	[19:15]
Diablo-D3	Bicknellski: well, we're at $26	[19:15]
davos	my thought is you'd be trapping yourself into a 5% APY payout nominally denominated in btc	[19:15]
Bicknellski	ya wicked fluctuations	[19:15]
Diablo-D3	;;calc 10000000 / 26	[19:16]
gribble	384615.384615	[19:16]
Diablo-D3	thats only 385k BTC	[19:16]
Diablo-D3	thats actually less than last time	[19:16]
Diablo-D3	;;calc 1000000 / 5	[19:16]
gribble	200000	[19:16]
Diablo-D3	or maybe not	[19:16]
Diablo-D3	davos: yes, and what stops me from just buying 1.60x or whatever btc early into the 10 year period	[19:17]
Diablo-D3	it could go up to $1000	[19:19]
Diablo-D3	and it wouldnt matter	[19:19]
davos	if you anticipate a long-term (10yr) general rise in the btcusd, then its not so much a problem of being unable to pay... its more an issue of profitability. If you think btc have a higher usd cost per unit in 10 years than it does now then it would make sense to have your liabilities denominated in usd	[19:19]
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Bugpowder	ASICMINER just hit 3TH	[19:20]
davos	wd	[19:21]
Bugpowder	already found 52 blocks	[19:22]
Bicknellski	wow	[19:23]
Bicknellski	they have what? 12th?	[19:23]
Bicknellski	total?	[19:23]
Bicknellski	coming?	[19:23]
Bicknellski	or more	[19:23]
davos	it's what they get for being first	[19:23]
davos	more interesting I think is that they've pushed the time to block down under 8 minutes	[19:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065742 = 2.8407 BTC [-]	[19:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16013 @ 0.00065708 = 10.5218 BTC [-]	[19:26]
Bugpowder	new diff today	[19:32]
jurov	;;bc,diffchange	[19:32]
gribble	Estimated percent change in difficulty this period \| 11.2711072217 % based on data since last change \| 30.4664306956 % based on data for last three days	[19:32]
jurov	how does one get absolute value?	[19:32]
jurov	;;calc [bc,diff]*1.11	[19:32]
gribble	3635765.69109	[19:32]
jurov	;;calc [bc,diff]*1.3	[19:33]
gribble	4258103.96254	[19:33]
jurov	real diff will be closer to the "based on data since last change", i guess?	[19:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065273 = 2.8204 BTC [-]	[19:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065252 = 2.8195 BTC [-]	[19:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11390 @ 0.0006525 = 7.432 BTC [-]	[19:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2618 @ 0.00064653 = 1.6926 BTC [-]	[19:35]
Bugpowder	yea	[19:35]
Bugpowder	Price of BTC needs to stay high till I complete a local sale in 3 hours.	[19:36]
Bugpowder	:-P	[19:36]
Bugpowder	then crash	[19:36]
jurov	lol... use vwap instead	[19:37]
Bugpowder	I am	[19:37]
Bugpowder	its still getting pounded	[19:37]
kakobrekla	that bracelet kido again :)	[19:38]
kakobrekla	?	[19:38]
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Bugpowder	nah	[19:38]
Bugpowder	braces (on the teeth)	[19:38]
Bugpowder	someone new	[19:39]
kakobrekla	ah	[19:39]
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jurov	CoinBr.iDiff-E will close in 4 days, not much volume, but quite interesting. The price converged at 3.8mil satoshi.	[19:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2722 @ 0.00065539 = 1.784 BTC [+]	[19:41]
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jurov	and 10 shares sold at 0.035 .... only one who'll have a profit going long	[19:43]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00654498 = 1.9635 BTC [-]	[19:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064664 = 2.7941 BTC [-]	[19:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7249 @ 0.00064653 = 4.6867 BTC [-]	[19:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00064506 = 3.2253 BTC [-]	[19:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15552 @ 0.00064496 = 10.0304 BTC [-]	[19:45]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 54 @ 0.00068 = 0.0367 BTC [-]	[19:45]
jurov	thinking what would be reasonable collateral for next iDiff-E April... somewhere 25-35 million?	[19:45]
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thestringpuller	;;seen smickles	[20:07]
gribble	smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 15 hours, 57 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: pong	[20:07]
thestringpuller	boo	[20:08]
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Bugpowder	This dump is getting exciting!	[20:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P230T] 4 @ 0.02 = 0.08 BTC [-]	[20:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P250T] 22 @ 0.0559673 = 1.2313 BTC [-]	[20:15]
Diablo-D3	[12:19:43] if you anticipate a long-term (10yr) general rise in the btcusd, then its not so much a problem of being unable to pay... its more an issue of profitability. If you think btc have a higher usd cost per unit in 10 years than it does now then it would make sense to have your liabilities denominated in usd	[20:16]
Diablo-D3	I dont anticipate it	[20:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P250T] 978 @ 0.0559673 = 54.736 BTC [-]	[20:16]
davos	ah	[20:16]
Diablo-D3	davos: however, if I already have the btc, I dont need to atually worry	[20:16]
Diablo-D3	*actually	[20:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064503 = 2.7872 BTC [+]	[20:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4990 @ 0.00064497 = 3.2184 BTC [-]	[20:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7480 @ 0.00064496 = 4.8243 BTC [-]	[20:17]
Diablo-D3	if I get 400k btc, and before 10 years is up have 400k btc	[20:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4309 @ 0.00064408 = 2.7753 BTC [-]	[20:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P260T] 1000 @ 0.07610454 = 76.1045 BTC [-]	[20:17]
Diablo-D3	it doesnt matter when I acquired the 400k btc	[20:17]
Diablo-D3	at $20, $5, or $1000	[20:17]
Diablo-D3	as long as its paid	[20:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8241 @ 0.00064408 = 5.3079 BTC [-]	[20:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4409 @ 0.00064388 = 2.8389 BTC [-]	[20:20]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00064531 = 4.5172 BTC [+]	[20:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00064531 = 3.0975 BTC [+]	[20:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 20 @ 0.01 = 0.2 BTC [+]	[20:54]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065573 = 2.8334 BTC [+]	[21:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16966 @ 0.00065574 = 11.1253 BTC [+]	[21:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00065905 = 9.7869 BTC [+]	[21:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00066025 = 2.575 BTC [+]	[21:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17929 @ 0.00066046 = 11.8414 BTC [+]	[21:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9338 @ 0.00066093 = 6.1718 BTC [+]	[21:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1446 @ 0.00066206 = 0.9573 BTC [+]	[21:16]
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thepok	!bc,stats	[21:21]
thestringpuller	;;bc,stats	[21:22]
gribble	Current Blocks: 221725 \| Current Difficulty: 3275464.586565617 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 221759 \| Next Difficulty In: 34 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 4 hours, 24 minutes, and 38 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 3654798.13107 \| Estimated Percent Change: 11.58106	[21:23]
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thestringpuller	why iz no one doing IDIFF futures	[21:23]
thestringpuller	!ticker m X.IDIFF.MAR	[21:23]
assbot	[MPEX:X.IDIFF.MAR] 1D: 0.07595 / 0.07595 / 0.07595 (8 shares, 0.61 BTC), 7D: 0.0429 / 0.04628974 / 0.07595 (78 shares, 3.61 BTC), 30D: 0.0429 / 0.06540414 / 0.089 (338 shares, 22.11 BTC)	[21:23]
ThickAsThieves	whats up with satoshidice.com	[21:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 6802 @ 0.00613002 = 41.6964 BTC [-]	[21:24]
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thestringpuller	EskimoBob: you should be trading futures	[21:25]
thestringpuller	you could become a rich man	[21:25]
Bugpowder	Plenty of asks on X.IDIFF.MAR	[21:25]
thestringpuller	not enough bids	[21:26]
Bugpowder	I guess nobody expects Avalon actually shipped	[21:26]
thestringpuller	;;bc,stats	[21:26]
gribble	Current Blocks: 221725 \| Current Difficulty: 3275464.586565617 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 221759 \| Next Difficulty In: 34 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 4 hours, 13 minutes, and 40 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 3654798.13107 \| Estimated Percent Change: 11.58106	[21:26]
Bugpowder	and BFL will in time	[21:26]
thestringpuller	the difficult is gonna go up but probably not high enough for a .075btc contract	[21:26]
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ThickAsThieves	my bet is not	[21:27]
thestringpuller	check the charts...	[21:27]
Bugpowder	thats all asicminer	[21:27]
Bugpowder	3TH	[21:27]
Bugpowder	is asicminer coming on	[21:27]
thestringpuller	they also shipped 1 to garzik	[21:27]
thestringpuller	:D	[21:27]
ThickAsThieves	but i still think BFL will start to ship this month	[21:27]
thestringpuller	stupid canadians.	[21:28]
davos	I'm a fan of elk	[21:28]
thestringpuller	Bugpowder: how high do you think the difficulty will go up?	[21:29]
Bugpowder	By MAR?	[21:29]
Diablo-D3	[02:24:01] Diablo-D3: before you fly to the moon and have 400K BTC, fix that fkn DMC of yours ;)	[21:29]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: you missed the earlier url	[21:29]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: and if you didnt realize, the 400k IS for DMC 2.0	[21:30]
Bugpowder	7.0e6	[21:30]
Diablo-D3	2.0	[21:30]
thestringpuller	Diablo-D3 is relisted? lol	[21:31]
Diablo-D3	thestringpuller: Ive been for quite some time	[21:31]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: same business model, minus the mining.	[21:31]
kakobrekla	the M in DMC now stands for "minus-mining"	[21:32]
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thestringpuller	Bugpowder: future trading intrigues meeeee	[21:32]
Diablo-D3	kakobrekla: Im changing the name to the name I had selected for the vps reselling side business of dmc that never took off	[21:33]
thestringpuller	who ever got those .0429 is making out with a steal if more ASICs come online	[21:33]
thestringpuller	That book is garbage.	[21:33]
thestringpuller	It's part of the startup bubble.	[21:33]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: if you dont remember the business model, it was going to be a datacenter catering to high density computing customers	[21:33]
thestringpuller	Diablo-D3: figure out how to make it green first.	[21:34]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: under the original $1m IPO, it was going to be 2-3 dozen racks, rented out for $15-25k/mo, electricity included	[21:34]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: and the majority of electricity provided by company owned assets	[21:34]
Diablo-D3	thestringpuller: I already did long ago	[21:34]
thestringpuller	EskimoBob: I own that book. That's how I know it's garbage. It has a few very good points in it, however the canvas is retarded as a whole.	[21:34]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: ... my racks? Im confused.	[21:35]
Diablo-D3	btw, Ill agree with thestringpuller, that book is shit	[21:35]
Diablo-D3	Ive actually seen it mentioned by silicon valley VCers as being utter shit	[21:35]
thestringpuller	A business only needs 2 things, a hustle, and revenue.	[21:35]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: Im assuming you dont understand what a datacenter is.	[21:36]
Diablo-D3	thestringpuller: one thing: mvp.	[21:36]
thestringpuller	you can make money before the mvp	[21:36]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: you're not asking me to describe my business, you're asking me to describe how datacenters work.	[21:36]
thestringpuller	Namworld_afk: we emailed you	[21:36]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: if you want that, wait for a forum post.	[21:36]
Diablo-D3	you're a tool, and yes, I blame you.	[21:37]
Diablo-D3	you dont need a BOOK for that.	[21:38]
thestringpuller	"I went to school for it I know what I'm talking about"	[21:38]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: Ill repeat what I said in here when you wernt	[21:38]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: maine is near the information corridor between DC, nyc, boston, and toronto, where most of the world's internet traffic goes through	[21:39]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: most DCs along this corridor are at capacity and have not accepted customers for quite some time	[21:39]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: the DC market, as a whole, needs more DCs.	[21:39]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: doing it in maine is cheaper, more viable, and more disaster resistant	[21:40]
Diablo-D3	why would they go with me? because they dont really have a choice.	[21:40]
Diablo-D3	why?	[21:43]
Diablo-D3	it doesnt do anything	[21:43]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: Im not going to do it right now	[21:45]
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Diablo-D3	nope	[21:46]
Diablo-D3	ask me when DMC 1.0 has been closed for good.	[21:46]
dub	windmills	[21:46]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: like I said at the beginning, its the same plan without the mining.	[21:47]
Diablo-D3	you're mixing up "mvp" vs "everything else"	[21:48]
Diablo-D3	I only care about the mvp	[21:48]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: Im going to assume, btw, you just like to troll	[21:48]
Diablo-D3	I already gave you a url earlier that you should have read already	[21:49]
Diablo-D3	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77469.msg1534415#msg1534415	[21:51]
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dub	gah 1016 mails deleted and im only back to 5pm last friday	[21:52]
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thestringpuller	lol bitfunder	[22:02]
thestringpuller	Ukto the programmer	[22:02]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: I dont think you actually read it.	[22:04]
Diablo-D3	dub: also, wtf did you do	[22:04]
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Diablo-D3	"Given about 1691 to 1966 BTC were paid into DMC and about 1015 BTC have been paid back plus 90 BTC in dividends, between 586 and 861 BTC are still owed." "DMC has approximately between 507 and 1212 BTC in assets."	[22:05]
dub	Diablo-D3: wat?	[22:06]
Diablo-D3	dub: 1016 mails deleted, still more to go	[22:06]
dub	yeah shit is retarded	[22:07]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: so where did I lose the value? if anything, we're around breaking even.	[22:07]
Diablo-D3	dub: where did they all come from?	[22:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00065161 = 2.8156 BTC [-]	[22:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00065155 = 4.8866 BTC [-]	[22:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23981 @ 0.00064864 = 15.555 BTC [-]	[22:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52598 @ 0.00064388 = 33.8668 BTC [-]	[22:09]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: you're just bitching about YOUR case.	[22:09]
dub	Diablo-D3: mostly machine generated, every time an LSP flaps for eg	[22:09]
Diablo-D3	dub: on gmail? use gmail label sorting rules	[22:10]
dub	lookout	[22:10]
Diablo-D3	not on gmail? use procmail.	[22:10]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: how many shares do you have?	[22:11]
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dub	Diablo-D3: its probably hard to understand never having had a job but some things are outside ones control	[22:11]
Diablo-D3	dub: er? Im just talking about managing your email here, dude	[22:11]
dub	Diablo-D3: also, lookout is a shining beacon of sanity after lotus notes	[22:11]
Diablo-D3	dub: oh, lookout is some business thing? never heard of it	[22:12]
dub	outlook	[22:13]
Diablo-D3	oh!	[22:13]
Diablo-D3	_that thing_	[22:13]
Diablo-D3	fuck microsoft	[22:13]
dub	dude try notes	[22:13]
Diablo-D3	Ive heard horror stories of notes	[22:13]
dub	you will pine for outlook (SWIDT!)	[22:13]
Diablo-D3	btw, you CAN feed imap to procmail	[22:13]
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dub	mutt is the one true MUA anyway	[22:14]
Diablo-D3	I agree, but gmail really isnt that bad	[22:14]
Diablo-D3	I used to use mutt + procmail + fetchmail back when I had a pop3 email box	[22:15]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 9 @ 0.0099 = 0.0891 BTC [+]	[22:16]
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Diablo-D3	I believe in it a shitload more than you do, thats for sure	[22:20]
Diablo-D3	Ive been buying it back.	[22:21]
Diablo-D3	I already paid back 1015 BTC.	[22:21]
thestringpuller	That's your fault EskimoBob	[22:22]
thestringpuller	stop investing in stupid things	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	lol someone's address is 1JEW	[22:22]
thestringpuller	yup	[22:22]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: oh man, I want that address	[22:23]
DeadWeasel	http://blog.coinbase.com/ nice blog post, but I'm still 100BTC in limbo, "pending" transaction not included in teh blockchain. paralyzed bitcoins for 3 days now.	[22:23]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: do you even have it for sale on the exchange?	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	DeadWeasel so leave them a comment	[22:24]
OgNasty	Anyone have any suggestions for things they'd like to see different about NastyFans.org?	[22:24]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: THEN PUT IT FOR SALE ON THE EXCHANGE FOR THAT PRICE.	[22:24]
DeadWeasel	I've left them a few mircea_popescu	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	nm, their blog doesn't allow comments	[22:25]
DeadWeasel	they know. if you read that post you realize they didn't have the coins to cover deposits	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	how very chickenshitty.	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	but they did over 1bn!!!1 there's grapsh!!!	[22:25]
DeadWeasel	support emails, and reddit posts, bitcointalk posts	[22:25]
DeadWeasel	haha	[22:25]
DeadWeasel	they sold the same coins 3 time is what they did	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	people continue to believe that coders are enough.	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	sorta like thinking all moon landing needs is some riveters and welders.	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbcctWbC8Q0 hitler finds out he's really a 13yo faggoty kid.	[22:27]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: I cant buy shares if they're not for sale.	[22:28]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: yes. then put them on the exchange for that price.	[22:29]
Diablo-D3	you're being difficult intentionally.	[22:29]
Diablo-D3	yes, 12x over the current ask.	[22:30]
Diablo-D3	or whatever is appropriate	[22:30]
Diablo-D3	the buy back program will eventually reach that point	[22:30]
Diablo-D3	nope.	[22:31]
Diablo-D3	the only people who get to cut in line are those who want the least for their shares.	[22:31]
jurov	puts popcorn in microwave	[22:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.35 BTC [+]	[22:32]
assbot	[BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 2 @ 0.089 = 0.178 BTC [+]	[22:33]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.38 BTC [+]	[22:35]
gribble	Error: "bc," is not a valid command.	[22:35]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.02091 BTC [+]	[22:35]
gribble	1 BTC = 26.79001 U.S. dollars = 20.0254223 Euros	[22:36]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.02092 BTC [+]	[22:36]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: you do realize DMC was making a profit before nefario fucked it all up, right?	[22:36]
OgNasty	Nefario just exposed the scams.	[22:38]
Diablo-D3	OgNasty: yeah, his own	[22:38]
OgNasty	He didn't stop anyone from doing business.	[22:38]
OgNasty	Had you been invested in legitimate offerings, nothing bad would have happened.	[22:38]
OgNasty	the asset issuers that had outrageous terms or just disappeared, preventing you from getting back your BTC were scams that have been exposed. Nothing more.	[22:39]
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Diablo-D3	OgNasty: remember, I only invested in glbse assets that nefario claimed to have vetted	[22:39]
Diablo-D3	OgNasty: nefario then backpeddled and said he never claimed any such thing	[22:39]
OgNasty	vetting doesn't mean foolproof	[22:39]
OgNasty	who cares if they were vetted or not	[22:40]
Diablo-D3	no it doesnt, but apparently trusting the exchange over isnt foolproof either	[22:40]
OgNasty	scammers can get vetted, obviously.	[22:40]
Diablo-D3	anyhow, dmc 2.0 has a new rule	[22:40]
Diablo-D3	no investing in BTC companies. period.	[22:40]
ThickAsThieves	Diablo, these dudes be trolling	[22:40]
Diablo-D3	ThickAsThieves: yes they are, and the only way to fight trolls is with facts	[22:40]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.0065 = 0.0325 BTC [+]	[22:40]
ThickAsThieves	that's also how you feed them	[22:41]
midnightmagic	Diablo-D3: Which also unfortunately doubles as a kind of food.	[22:41]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[22:41]
OgNasty	I'm not trolling. I'm just fascinated why someone who ran a fund into the ground wants to start a new one. You're losing people's money claiming to be good at investments and you're obviously terrible.	[22:41]
OgNasty	That's messed up dude. Find another niche.	[22:41]
davos	the only way to fight trolls is to punch oneself in the face	[22:41]
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Diablo-D3	OgNasty: except I never ran it into the ground	[22:42]
Diablo-D3	OgNasty: if all things go accordingly during the shutdown, we break even	[22:42]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+]	[22:42]
OgNasty	if if was a spliff your investors would all be high	[22:42]
Diablo-D3	OgNasty: its EskimoBob trying to glue together numbers that dont belong together that is claiming this	[22:42]
OgNasty	but it aint. this is real life. don't play with people's money and pretend to know what you're doing if you don't.	[22:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 300 @ 0.00654498 = 1.9635 BTC [+]	[22:43]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: that number implies everyone paid at 1.	[22:43]
Diablo-D3	everyone didnt.	[22:43]
OgNasty	I didn't invest a penny with you, because it was obvious what you and usagi and goat were all up to...	[22:43]
Diablo-D3	OgNasty: except usagi nor goat was part of dmc	[22:43]
Diablo-D3	and I still dont know what usagi and goat were up to	[22:43]
OgNasty	I just wonder how much longer the community will let people get away with passing off investments that are nothing more than someone funding their silk road habits.	[22:43]
Diablo-D3	OgNasty: aaand now you've shifted into trolling	[22:44]
Diablo-D3	just being an ass.	[22:44]
Diablo-D3	midnightmagic, ThickAsThieves: btw, you missed my earlier update: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77469.msg1534415#msg1534415	[22:45]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 5 @ 0.00068 = 0.0034 BTC [-]	[22:45]
OgNasty	It just pisses me off that investment money that could be going to people making a real difference and providing the community with things is ending up in the hands of those who do nothing but leech the community.	[22:45]
ThickAsThieves	i saw that one, but this was all a bit before my time	[22:45]
Diablo-D3	OgNasty: yes, that pisses me off too	[22:45]
Diablo-D3	OgNasty: if the DMC IPO would have completed, BTC would be $1000 by now	[22:45]
OgNasty	if	[22:46]
ThickAsThieves	i see at as, in the past some shit went down, but Diablo wants to keep his name respectable so he's doing what he can to make things right	[22:46]
ThickAsThieves	sounds fine to me	[22:46]
OgNasty	everytime you use the word if, just hit the delete button and rethink your argument.	[22:46]
midnightmagic	OgNasty: It amuses me when people call the bitcoin users a "community".	[22:46]
Diablo-D3	nefarios actions made me realize that what he was doing was illegal, he was giving out illegal advice	[22:46]
ThickAsThieves	if that makes people lose trust in Diablo in new ventures, just shut up and dont buy in	[22:46]
OgNasty	midnightmagic: I refer to bitcointalk as the community.	[22:47]
OgNasty	That is where they peddle their "investments"	[22:47]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: he claimed he had a legally registered exchange in the UK.	[22:47]
Diablo-D3	he didnt.	[22:47]
ThickAsThieves	the bitcoin assets and otc are certainly a community	[22:47]
midnightmagic	OgNasty: Gah, even worse. :)	[22:47]
dub	in that case all the community needs is a bunch of bullets	[22:47]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 9 @ 0.00068 = 0.0061 BTC [-]	[22:47]
Diablo-D3	infact, its very hard to get an exchange going AND the amount of paperwork to get a company to go public is immense	[22:47]
Diablo-D3	something nefario also lied about	[22:48]
dub	EskimoBob: no he wasnt? he was raising a million btc to start building a mining farm	[22:48]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: yes, but I didnt lose 98% of the _money_	[22:48]
dub	if you thought that was a sane investment thats your problem	[22:48]
OgNasty	whoever controlled the money lost it...	[22:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00654498 = 2.618 BTC [+]	[22:48]
OgNasty	it appears that was you	[22:48]
OgNasty	that's how you know you shouldn't handle other people's money	[22:48]
Diablo-D3	OgNasty: before continuing, read this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77469.msg1534415#msg1534415	[22:48]
DeadWeasel	it's the people that shouldn't send it to him.	[22:49]
DeadWeasel	if he gets rich off their ignorance, fuck it.	[22:49]
DeadWeasel	expecting people to be honest in business is dumb.	[22:49]
Diablo-D3	DeadWeasel: hey now, I never made a dime off this.	[22:49]
Diablo-D3	I think I really was the only honest one here.	[22:50]
OgNasty	D3: I understand what happened. You made terrible investments. I'm not saying you should burn. I'm saying you should stop taking other people's money because it's been proven you're terrible at it.	[22:50]
DeadWeasel	probably, i realize you are paying back, i'm just trying to direct these people's anger	[22:50]
DeadWeasel	so misplaced.	[22:50]
Diablo-D3	OgNasty: except the only outright failure of an investment is BTC-MINING.	[22:50]
OgNasty	same goes to usagi, goat, giga, and everyone else who completely crashed their holdings when GLBSE went down and still clings to that defense.	[22:50]
Diablo-D3	er, why are you putting giga in there?	[22:51]
Diablo-D3	he actually owns a farm	[22:51]
DeadWeasel	i have a farm, on hay day	[22:51]
DeadWeasel	i just got pigs.	[22:51]
DeadWeasel	doopy doo.	[22:51]
OgNasty	giga took people's money and won't give it back unless you jump through hoops. he's using glbse going down to take people's money	[22:51]
OgNasty	giga never owned the hardware behind the bonds he sold.	[22:51]
Diablo-D3	OgNasty: yes, you have to now comply with US Federal law	[22:51]
DeadWeasel	not yet. i can't find enough wood planks to upgrade my silo	[22:51]
OgNasty	he sold perpetual bonds that are now expiring...	[22:52]
Diablo-D3	OgNasty: giga got trapped the way I did.	[22:52]
OgNasty	trapped behind an easy excuse.	[22:52]
OgNasty	that is all	[22:52]
Diablo-D3	at least Im ignoring it and buying back the shares	[22:52]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: nice try, failtroll	[22:52]
Diablo-D3	OgNasty: what Im trying to say is, giga did something ELSE wrong	[22:53]
Diablo-D3	OgNasty: goat and usagi sold shares into assets that didnt exist and may have never existed	[22:53]
OgNasty	yes, as did giga	[22:53]
Diablo-D3	giga had assets of his own and was also selling upgrades into the asset	[22:53]
OgNasty	giga never owned enough hashing power to back gigamining	[22:53]
Diablo-D3	Im not sure if he did or not	[22:54]
OgNasty	fact	[22:54]
OgNasty	that is why I'm not saying D3 is a scammer	[22:54]
OgNasty	D3 didn't do anything scammy.	[22:54]
OgNasty	He just apparently is TERRIBLE with money.	[22:54]
DeadWeasel	haha, wackadoos. the lot of us.	[22:54]
Diablo-D3	OgNasty: its not that Im terrible iwth it, its that I believed people in bitcoin wanted to leave all the scammy wall street shit behind	[22:55]
OgNasty	SO STOP GIVING HIM YOUR MONEY and it's problem solved. By continuing to take investment D3, you are being dishonest about your abilities to the community at the very least.	[22:55]
mjr_	omg gosh	[22:55]
mjr_	that was quite a big moce	[22:55]
mjr_	move	[22:55]
OgNasty	believing obvious scams and investing in them = terrible with money	[22:55]
OgNasty	hello?	[22:55]
Diablo-D3	OgNasty: I never invested in any of these obvious scams	[22:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066187 = 2.8599 BTC [+]	[22:56]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 9 @ 0.02092 = 0.1883 BTC [+]	[22:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066192 = 2.8602 BTC [+]	[22:56]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 250 @ 0.02092 = 5.23 BTC [+]	[22:56]
OgNasty	didn't you say you owned usagi funds?	[22:56]
Diablo-D3	not a dime of DMC money went to bfl or bitcoinica	[22:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7158 @ 0.00066206 = 4.739 BTC [+]	[22:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7158 @ 0.00066206 = 4.739 BTC [+]	[22:56]
Diablo-D3	OgNasty: nope	[22:56]
Diablo-D3	never invested in usagi either	[22:56]
Diablo-D3	infact usagi supposidly owned a lot of dmc shares	[22:56]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: I already answered that in full	[22:56]
Diablo-D3	you just dont like the answer because you have to wait longer than everyone else.	[22:56]
OgNasty	where is it? is a simple question.	[22:57]
OgNasty	it deserves a simple answer	[22:57]
OgNasty	"I lost it with bad investments." would be a simple answer	[22:57]
Diablo-D3	OgNasty: did you read the forum post I told you to read?	[22:57]
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OgNasty	simple answer is what I'm looking for	[22:57]
OgNasty	I don't even care to be honest.	[22:57]
OgNasty	I just am fascinated by the whole concept of failed asset issuers continuing to operate freely without being constantly flamed for it.	[22:58]
Diablo-D3	OgNasty: between 1691 and 1966 BTC went in, 1015 BTC of shares have been bought back, 90 BTC of dividends have been paid, we still hold between 507 and 1212 in assets	[22:58]
Diablo-D3	OgNasty: its all detailed in that forum post	[22:58]
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OgNasty	so then why are you closing?	[22:59]
OgNasty	if you have all the funds, what went horribly wrong?	[22:59]
Diablo-D3	Im not, I want to buy the shares back because they're not legal.	[22:59]
Diablo-D3	what went horribly wrong is nefario lied about legality of public shares	[22:59]
OgNasty	so then sell your assets and put up a huge bid wall	[22:59]
Diablo-D3	OgNasty: basically I am	[22:59]
Diablo-D3	OgNasty: asicminer and btcmc cant be sold yet	[22:59]
Diablo-D3	and btc-mining, the third and last asset, is the only asset of ours that went south	[23:00]
OgNasty	I was only talking smack because I thought you were continuing to take investments.	[23:00]
Diablo-D3	no, Im not	[23:00]
Diablo-D3	I cant take investments until the shares have been bought back.	[23:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.00068 = 0.0014 BTC [-]	[23:00]
OgNasty	So you want to buy them all back to resell them?	[23:01]
Diablo-D3	no.	[23:01]
Diablo-D3	Im going to issue zero coupon OID corporate bonds issued by a legally registered corporation in the US.	[23:01]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: yes, a lot of people's shares are waiting.	[23:02]
Diablo-D3	EskimoBob: if this could have been done overnight, I would have already.	[23:02]
OgNasty	shoulda bought https://nastyfans.org seats instead :P	[23:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00064422 = 2.7837 BTC [-]	[23:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11543 @ 0.00064388 = 7.4323 BTC [-]	[23:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1645 @ 0.00064368 = 1.0589 BTC [-]	[23:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3153 @ 0.00064344 = 2.0288 BTC [-]	[23:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 788 @ 0.00064262 = 0.5064 BTC [-]	[23:03]
Diablo-D3	OgNasty: btw, worst case DMC owes 861 and only has 507 in assets, best case DMC owes 586 and has 1212 in assets.	[23:04]
Diablo-D3	OgNasty: I imagine its going to be about even when it finally comes down to it	[23:05]
OgNasty	Breaktime over... back to work I go.	[23:06]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4185 @ 0.00066206 = 2.7707 BTC [+]	[23:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1599 @ 0.00066273 = 1.0597 BTC [+]	[23:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3046 @ 0.00066274 = 2.0187 BTC [+]	[23:13]
gribble	1 BTC = 27.02421 U.S. dollars = 20.2004859 Euros	[23:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4254 @ 0.00066274 = 2.8193 BTC [+]	[23:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066297 = 2.8647 BTC [+]	[23:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18975 @ 0.00066298 = 12.58 BTC [+]	[23:18]
jurov	<3 s.mpoe these days... selling at 66, buying at 64	[23:20]
*	leotreasure has quit (Quit: leotreasure)	[23:24]
mjr_	i know	[23:37]
mjr_	it is crazy	[23:37]
mjr_	crossed quotes sitting there for like 15 minutes	[23:37]
*	saulimus has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)	[23:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00066276 = 3.3138 BTC [-]	[23:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00066277 = 2.8638 BTC [+]	[23:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006629 = 2.8644 BTC [+]	[23:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23033 @ 0.00066298 = 15.2704 BTC [+]	[23:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00066325 = 12.8007 BTC [+]	[23:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00066449 = 7.2429 BTC [+]	[23:45]
*	Jackmaninov has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[23:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6364 @ 0.00066508 = 4.2326 BTC [+]	[23:46]
jurov	just noticed the wall at 0.0007 is now only 4885088 high? since when?	[23:49]
dub	09-02-13-06:23 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1811173 @ 0.0007 = 1267.8211 BTC [+]	[23:55]
dub	?	[23:55]
jurov	well.. missed it	[23:55]
*	jurov dreams the wall will sublimate unnoticed and his order to sell at 0.01 will suddenly get hit :D	[23:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11836 @ 0.00066356 = 7.8539 BTC [-]	[23:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00066683 = 15.6705 BTC [+]	[23:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00066733 = 4.8715 BTC [+]	[23:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00066852 = 12.0334 BTC [+]	[23:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00066869 = 7.1215 BTC [+]	[23:59]

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