Forum logs for 17 Dec 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform tldr version: exponential speedup for cellular automata algos [00:00]
asciilifeform phys. d. 1984. 75-80 [00:00]
asciilifeform (bill gosper) [00:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9414 @ 0.00090012 = 8.4737 BTC [-] {2} [00:01]
asciilifeform basic idea is to 'compress' time and space simultaneously [00:01]
asciilifeform (sounds weird, but it wurks) [00:01]
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sundun_ hi [00:03]
ll open it in a vm [00:03]
ll or use pdf2jpg.com or similar [00:03]
kakobrekla NSA also does this for you [00:04]
pankkake multipage jpeg is called tar :) [00:07]
BingoBoingo Whatever is wrong with TeX for passing documents? [00:08]
asciilifeform doc in question is a scan [00:08]
asciilifeform from dead tree. [00:09]
kakobrekla ocr? [00:09]
asciilifeform with pictures. [00:09]
mircea_popescu we need a better format. [00:09]
kakobrekla dam pictures. [00:09]
kakobrekla i like png better. [00:09]
pankkake png scans are HUGE [00:10]
kakobrekla yes cause scans sucks [00:10]
pankkake unless you do black and white with high contrast filter [00:10]
kakobrekla mhm [00:10]
asciilifeform ok lazy kids http://loper-os.nfshost.com/pub/hl/hl.html [00:10]
mike_c ok.. i think i understand enough to design bitbet v2. [00:11]
pankkake when is the ipo? [00:11]
mike_c i'll ask havelock. probably tomorrow. [00:11]
mike_c basically you buy shares in the outcome (this is not tradesports). share price is based on the current proportion of bets. so buying one share costs 0.1, but buying two shares cost 0.22, etc. [00:12]
asciilifeform (should be http://www.loper-os.org/pub/hl/hl.html for permalink) [00:13]
mike_c price of shares will be driven to whatever probability is currently expected. [00:13]
mike_c so early bettors get better prices [00:13]
mike_c and when an event is basically decided, share prices go through the roof on that side [00:13]
asciilifeform is this predicated on identity costing >0 ? [00:13]
mike_c no [00:13]
asciilifeform because what's to stop 1000 socks for buying 1000 shares for 0.1 each [00:14]
mike_c can't be done. it's like an order book [00:14]
mike_c but the order book is filled with the algorithmically determined prices [00:14]
mike_c so everyone knows its fair [00:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00090097 = 9.0097 BTC [+] [00:14]
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asciilifeform so share 1 is sold for 0.1. share 2 is sold, to an apparently different buyer for, ? [00:15]
mike_c 0.11 [00:15]
mike_c bettor would basically put in a limit order [00:15]
asciilifeform ok [00:15]
Vexual then it starts sounding like something else [00:16]
mike_c but not, because it's not just an open market [00:16]
mike_c and there is no market-maker [00:16]
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mike_c except, there is always buy-liquidity from the opposing side [00:16]
mike_c it does, however, allow you to sell your shares if you want [00:17]
Vexual nat a bet [00:17]
mike_c huh? [00:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 754 @ 0.00241562 = 1.8214 BTC [-] {4} [00:17]
mike_c if there is sufficient interest from people i can work up a simulation. [00:19]
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mike_c the nice thing about is that you don't need a time weight. early bettors get better odds, and it will naturally get squeezed off when the market knows the event is decided. [00:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00090317 = 6.2319 BTC [+] [00:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.09304399 = 0.4652 BTC [+] {5} [00:21]
mircea_popescu so let's run through this. bet is gribble's coin toss comes out heads. [00:21]
mircea_popescu what now ? [00:21]
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Vexual do 3 in a row mircea [00:22]
mircea_popescu nah, one's enough for this [00:22]
mike_c well, i think parimutuel wagering on mathematical things is silly :) [00:22]
mircea_popescu that aside [00:22]
pankkake is gribble provably fair? [00:22]
mircea_popescu it dun matter what the bet is. [00:22]
mike_c let's say the democrats when the next US pres election [00:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.09975999 = 0.4988 BTC [+] {4} [00:22]
mircea_popescu so what do i do now ? [00:22]
mike_c BB seeds with 0.6, 0.4 [00:22]
mircea_popescu ok [00:22]
mircea_popescu i think irl bitbet seeds more like .3 .7 bu anyway [00:23]
mike_c now there will be a share price for each one (there are a variety of pricing functions) to buy a share in each outcome [00:23]
mike_c but that share price is an integral [00:23]
mircea_popescu wait, what ? [00:23]
mircea_popescu i got 10 btc on the dems right here. i send it to your site. what happens ? [00:23]
mike_c you get x shares of 'dems winning' [00:24]
mircea_popescu "x" ? [00:24]
mircea_popescu scam. [00:24]
mike_c no, it's all math [00:24]
mike_c no scam [00:24]
mircea_popescu all math is scam. so what's your x on my 10 btc ? [00:24]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 11113 @ 0.00009487 = 1.0543 BTC [+] {2} [00:24]
mike_c you will be able to see when you place your bet. it will say "1 share: 0.1 btc, 1 more share: 0.2 btc, 1 more share: 0.5 btc" [00:24]
mircea_popescu ... [00:25]
Duffer1 it sounds like you're trying to dumb it down for noobs by overcomplicating it [00:25]
Duffer1 it = weighting [00:25]
mircea_popescu so if i spend 10 btc i get a number of shares you can't specify. wjhat happens next ? [00:25]
mike_c it's basically an algorithmically generated order book for shares in 'dems win' [00:25]
mike_c i can specify, just can't do the integral off the top of my head. [00:26]
mircea_popescu algorithmically generated order books aren't used irl [00:26]
mircea_popescu guess why. [00:26]
mike_c um. [00:26]
mircea_popescu mike_c so guess dood. weren't you an engineer ? [00:26]
mike_c i give up. [00:26]
Vexual u can have an algo gen weighting curve tho, dont even need to update faq [00:26]
mircea_popescu that was quick ;/ [00:26]
mike_c in my mind it works. i may not be explaining correctly [00:26]
mircea_popescu just guess the value of the integral, it won't kill you .not like it's a binding contract or anything [00:27]
mircea_popescu just a little numerical analysis [00:27]
mike_c ok, lemme figure it. [00:27]
mircea_popescu now he goes all taylor on it i bet [00:27]
mircea_popescu (1st share 1 btc, 2nd share 1.3 btc etc ftr) [00:27]
mike_c if i guess the bridge will fall down when you drive over it. [00:28]
mircea_popescu so ? [00:28]
mircea_popescu we're trying to see how that'd go atm [00:28]
mike_c m = M1[e^(n
2) - 1] 		[00:29]
mike_c gimme a sec :) [00:29]
mircea_popescu e ? [00:29]
mircea_popescu why not pi. [00:29]
mike_c yes [00:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00239999 = 0.24 BTC [-] [00:29]
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sbp Bill Gosper's paper is also at https://www.lri.fr/~filliatr/m1/gol/gosper-84.pdf [00:32]
sbp some C code here, haven't tried it: http://dotat.at/prog/life/hashlife.c [00:32]
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mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=352830.0 << check out the paperwork that went into a [00:33]
ozbot Fudda'd by muddafudda [00:33]
mircea_popescu 5 ltc dispute [00:33]
mircea_popescu now we know it's the end of the world. [00:33]
mike_c ok ok [00:34]
mike_c wag: you would get about as many shares as 0.7 has (if 0.7 was on dems) [00:34]
mike_c so coming in and dropping 10btc on a bet with only 0.3 on the other side, not so great. [00:35]
mike_c just like bbv1 [00:35]
mircea_popescu bbv1 is neutral on thsi score. if someone buys the other side later it lifts you up [00:36]
mircea_popescu does your thing lift me up ? [00:36]
mike_c as would this. you are buying shares in dems. later, money comes in on reps, your intrinsic share value goes up [00:36]
mircea_popescu aite, so let's try it. since you're somehow decided it must be 0.1s for some reason, i put 0.5 on dems. what's that do ? [00:37]
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mike_c you get half as many as the 0.7 has [00:37]
mircea_popescu so i get 5, say. [00:37]
mike_c um, 3.5 to his 7, yes [00:38]
mircea_popescu ok. now, i come and put 0.7 on dems. what's this do ? [00:38]
mike_c you get like 1 share [00:38]
mircea_popescu aite. so dems side is now 3 (opresumably) + 3.5 + .95 shares [00:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 13 @ 0.07012307 = 0.9116 BTC [-] {5} [00:38]
mircea_popescu and .3 + .5 + .7 = 1.5 btc [00:39]
mircea_popescu right ? [00:39]
mike_c er, heres my math: shares: (7 + 3.5 + 1) = 11.5 shares (0.7 + 0.5 + 0.7) = 1.9 btc on dems [00:40]
mircea_popescu o o ok i see. i mixed the .3 and .7 aite [00:40]
mircea_popescu so now obama comes and dumps 10 btc on reps. cause he's hedging. [00:40]
mircea_popescu how many shares does this buy him ? [00:40]
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mike_c ~40 [00:44]
mike_c with BB having seeded 3 shares [00:44]
mircea_popescu aite. [00:44]
mircea_popescu now, the reps lose, obviously. [00:45]
mircea_popescu how do you split the 10.3 ? [00:45]
mike_c company decision. it can be done so that all the money is split, or only the losers money. [00:45]
mike_c er, so you said the losers [00:45]
mike_c 0.7 early -> 6.26 0.5 mid -> 3.13 0.7 late -> 0.9 [00:47]
mircea_popescu even if these could be within five minutes of each other ? [00:48]
mike_c yes. that's the beauty. [00:48]
mircea_popescu so any new bet is basically a landrush to buy the early shares ? [00:49]
mircea_popescu basically to extract value out of this scheme all you need to know is your avg volume [00:49]
mike_c not exactly. the bet should always, throughout its lifetime, float around its current probability [00:49]
mike_c and if you see an imbalance, you are incented to act quickly [00:49]
mircea_popescu but if i know that a certain bet will reach say 200 btc total wagered [00:50]
mike_c whereas right now an imbalance means nothing [00:50]
mircea_popescu then as long as the odds are 10:1 or less i am safe buying 10 btc each side, cheap shares [00:50]
mike_c first off, that is currently the situation with BB. betting early on a high volume bet is a guaranteed win. [00:50]
asciilifeform unrelated: crypto-auction! https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/KNkFS_34P_I/RQmpPTkP2tcJ [00:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14550 @ 0.00090244 = 13.1305 BTC [-] [00:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 40 @ 0.0248 = 0.992 BTC [-] [00:51]
mike_c but shares do not devalue with time in this scheme. [00:51]
mike_c that is, say the situation went differently. [00:51]
mike_c 0.7 on dems, then 10 on reps [00:51]
mike_c now i can buy profitable dem shares again [00:51]
mike_c and am incented to do so quickly, before someone else does [00:51]
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mike_c so the right time to bet is when i feel the odds are wrong, which isn't really the case right now [00:52]
mircea_popescu suppose i send 1 btc, ion the reps, and discover i didn't get 8 shares but .7 because someone put 10btc in 10 minutes before me. [00:52]
mircea_popescu i now go to the forum and open a scam thread, saying you put the 10 btc [00:53]
mircea_popescu what do you do ? [00:53]
mike_c you basically put in a limit order. "buy up to 10btc of shares at up to 0.2 each" [00:53]
mike_c nobody unhappy, because if that whale gets in before you, you just don't get filled [00:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21331 @ 0.00090148 = 19.2295 BTC [-] {2} [00:54]
mike_c and now you bet the other side. [00:54]
mircea_popescu ... [00:54]
mike_c it's right. i feel it. i'll build a simulation. [00:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00089511 = 0.8951 BTC [-] [00:55]
mike_c unless something seems way off to you. like the idea of putting in a limit order. [00:55]
mircea_popescu i just gave an example [00:56]
mircea_popescu what do you do in that case ? [00:56]
mike_c you have to refund I guess. I'm on bitbet, i say "i want 10btc of dems at up to 0.2 per share". You generate an address and in your DB mark it as a limit order at 0.2. if you can only fill 5btc of it you have to send the other 5 back.. [00:58]
mircea_popescu this will be a pain to run. [00:59]
mircea_popescu moving on : how do you sort within a block ? [00:59]
mircea_popescu say both me and kako send in block 275000. who goes in first ? [00:59]
mike_c yes.. well, JD creamed satoshi-dice because having an account has advantages :) [01:00]
mike_c lemme think on sorting. [01:00]
mike_c same block, sort by bet time? [01:00]
thestrin1puller mircea_popescu: when you retrieve depth stat and matches to json stat, no? So is it possibly to just take current top ask/bid depth value and translate it into market buy or market sell? [01:00]
thestrin1puller i'm sure this has been asked before so I apologize [01:00]
mircea_popescu well sure it is, bash/python/we you use [01:01]
mircea_popescu mike_c the time value is iffy [01:01]
mike_c i meant bet time on BitBet, but you reuse addresses, so you won't always have that. [01:01]
mircea_popescu (depending who mines the block the same exact tx can end up with diff timestamps) [01:01]
mircea_popescu like say pool x could mine me before kako, and pool y could mine kako before me [01:02]
mike_c ah, block time isn't dependable? [01:02]
mircea_popescu nope. [01:02]
mircea_popescu in the best case is "when we heard the tx" [01:02]
mircea_popescu or, what the node that told us the tx said [01:03]
mircea_popescu or, what the user making the tx said the time was [01:03]
mircea_popescu or we [01:03]
mircea_popescu the blockchain exists in the first place because time isnt reliable. [01:03]
mircea_popescu otherwise we'd just use timestamps [01:03]
mike_c this may not be possible without accounts.. which i guess makes it no good for BB. [01:04]
mircea_popescu how do you time accounts ? [01:05]
mike_c i mean like having balances on BB [01:05]
mircea_popescu even so ? [01:05]
mike_c ala JD [01:05]
mike_c then its the same as mpex [01:05]
mircea_popescu jd isn't a mega concurrency engine. ppl bet the house [01:05]
mircea_popescu that may be a little expensive to make. [01:05]
mike_c except the order of magnitude is lower [01:06]
thestrin1puller ;;ticker [01:06]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 740.0, Best ask: 743.28947, Bid-ask spread: 3.28947, Last trade: 740.0, 24 hour volume: 40151.84292354, 24 hour low: 714.11, 24 hour high: 928.0, 24 hour vwap: 800.48436 [01:06]
mike_c so it doesn't need to be mpex [01:06]
mircea_popescu honestly i dun see myself using it, sounds like a sort of bettrade w/e that thing was called, except with a perhaps very broken auto-mm tacked on [01:08]
mike_c the mm is just a help to see what you're getting. [01:08]
mike_c similar to the calculator on BB right now [01:09]
mircea_popescu if you're gonna do that may as well just make it the thing, let people trade shares. [01:09]
mircea_popescu or for that matter invest in zh's darling, i forget what it was called. [01:09]
thestrin1puller mircea_popescu: on "stat" call [01:09]
thestrin1puller do you get back every transaction you've ever made? [01:09]
mircea_popescu since last stat. [01:09]
mircea_popescu or an hour prior or something like that [01:09]
Bunnyh how about sorting bets in the same block by creation time of betting addresses? [01:09]
thestrin1puller oh wow [01:10]
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mircea_popescu Bunnyh he wants accts i thought [01:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8026 @ 0.00089501 = 7.1834 BTC [-] {2} [01:10]
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mike_c if it can be done without accts, all the better. just sorting incoming bets is the problem. [01:11]
mike_c and the fact that you would need to potentially return money. [01:11]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: so for the "average" mpex user they would need to call stat evert "blah" hours and keep a log of all of them to record every trade/transaction they've made on mpex no? [01:11]
mircea_popescu and the fact that you will need a very solid api or nobody will mm it. [01:11]
mircea_popescu bbet's interface is very simple by design, but your thing would be sort-of like the rpc call of all time [01:12]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller they can call it once a month [01:12]
thestringpuller but they would need a "stat.log" or something? [01:12]
mircea_popescu well w/e they wish to use [01:12]
jurov that [01:12]
mircea_popescu yes, if they want to store data they;ll need a filesystem or some other similar implement [01:12]
thestringpuller of course, but the user has to record, mpex doesn't have SoR [01:13]
jurov thas's why pympex logs by default [01:13]
thestringpuller yea, but I was seeing how the user could see more of their trades in a gui [01:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.045 = 1.08 BTC [-] [01:13]
thestringpuller like a large table [01:13]
mircea_popescu in principle a good client logs. [01:13]
thestringpuller and stat only shows recent, was seeing if the user would be the SoR [01:14]
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thestringpuller if so then user would load previous logs into new client [01:14]
thestringpuller then have all trade data for that account [01:14]
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mike_c if this were a simple problem we wouldn't be talking about it. simple designs are great, but limiting. [01:15]
mircea_popescu no argument. [01:16]
mircea_popescu still, we use http and tcp/ip [01:16]
mircea_popescu we don't use windows or macos [01:16]
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mike_c yeah, i just feel like we're talking about tcp KEEP_ALIVE and deciding it's too complicated :) even tcp is complicated. [01:17]
mike_c i'll think on it some more. and can maybe explain more clearly. [01:18]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2599 = 0.7797 BTC [+] {2} [01:22]
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mircea_popescu tcp ios kinda complicated... [01:27]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.0008963 = 11.383 BTC [+] [01:29]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 895 @ 0.00240374 = 2.1513 BTC [+] {3} [01:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.25414444 = 2.2873 BTC [-] {4} [01:34]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18059 @ 0.00089789 = 16.215 BTC [+] {2} [02:00]
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pankkake looks like bitcoin-central is goxed [02:07]
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turbo_ac100 hey mircea_popescu, do you want to make someone make a firefox search engine plugin for bitbet? Imagine asigning keyword bb and just 'bb bfl' would CREATE fun - or at least find it. [02:09]
mircea_popescu hehe not such a bad idea [02:10]
mircea_popescu looks like bitcoin-central is goxed << hi davout [02:10]
dub guys [02:10]
dub everyone chill the fuck out [02:10]
dub http://www.thestreet.com/story/12154966/1/five-ways-to-fix-bitcoin.html [02:11]
ozbot Five Ways to Fix Bitcoin - TheStreet [02:11]
turbo_ac100 should be half an hour of work max: mycroft project is your friend http://mycroftproject.com/search-engines.html [02:11]
mircea_popescu wow dub ty for saving the day [02:11]
dub this has to be satire right? [02:11]
mircea_popescu unintentional, but yes. [02:11]
pankkake "Select images for those bitcoin printings that convey respect and prestige globally, perhaps the portraits of American presidents" unintentional? [02:12]
davout pankkake: wat [02:12]
dub 5 wayz to fux buttcoin, make it into USD [02:12]
mircea_popescu since when does the set of us presidents convey respek or prestige ? [02:12]
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pankkake davout: oh it's back. it was showing 0€ no trades [02:12]
mircea_popescu dub that's thinking outsidda da box yo [02:12]
dub they are people that other people have or would liek to shoot at duh [02:12]
mircea_popescu dub thb they look kinda like the presidents of all failed european colonies. [02:13]
mircea_popescu new zealand, rhodesia, name your pick [02:13]
davout pankkake: that happens when the front has loaded, but it' still waiting for the api to answer [02:13]
davout pankkake: in other words when we're goxxed [02:13]
davout xD [02:13]
pankkake hehe [02:13]
mircea_popescu lawl [02:13]
pankkake so much volume, can't handle it! [02:13]
dub too popular [02:13]
davout fuck yes [02:13]
davout such volume [02:13]
dub such success [02:14]
pankkake that's what you get for using ruby [02:14]
mircea_popescu confucius say : he who fuck yes is yay. [02:14]
davout i use ruby [02:14]
mircea_popescu no, ruby uses you. [02:14]
davout in the berlusconi way [02:14]
mircea_popescu btw, who's berlusconi's latest gf ? [02:14]
mircea_popescu did he move off the twelve year old ? [02:15]
davout some random inmate i presume [02:15]
mircea_popescu wait he;'s in jale ? [02:15]
davout dunno [02:15]
mircea_popescu is an Italian politician, entrepreneur, media tycoon, frequent criminal defendant and convicted tax evader who served three times as Prime Minister of Italy [02:16]
mircea_popescu sounds like that place. [02:16]
mircea_popescu In November 2010, teenage Moroccan belly dancer and alleged prostitute Karima El Mahroug (better known as "Ruby Rubacuori") claimed to have been given $10,000 by Berlusconi at parties at his private villas. The girl told prosecutors in Milan that these events were like orgies where Berlusconi and 20 young women performed an African-style ritual known as the "bunga bunga" in the nude. [02:16]
mircea_popescu aha! [02:16]
kakobrekla such spread [02:17]
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turbo_ac100 "Select images for those bitcoin printings that convey respect and prestige globally, perhaps the portraits of American presidents." o_O [02:17]
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davout i always want to make yo mamma jokes when someone mentions a wide spread [02:17]
asciilifeform anyone remember the american politician with the 'wide stance' ? [02:18]
dub palin? [02:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00296998 = 0.1336 BTC [+] {4} [02:18]
asciilifeform http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig_scandal [02:18]
ozbot Larry Craig scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [02:18]
kakobrekla "yo mama has such spread its useful for such spread joke" [02:18]
kakobrekla liek dat? [02:19]
dub so humerus [02:19]
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davout kakobrekla: something like that [02:22]
dub woot passed 200 pages in my document that nobody will read! [02:25]
benkay what document, dub? [02:26]
kakobrekla dont read it or else he will have to start over [02:27]
dub PoC test for a metro ethernet [02:27]
dub so yes, lots of drawings [02:28]
benkay i love the documents nobody will ever read [02:29]
dub theres only like 25k words so far [02:29]
benkay that'd be one of the reasons i bailed on the semiconductor space [02:29]
mircea_popescu there's a girl somewhere in a basement, kinda mousty, kinda cute, with glases and b tits [02:34]
mircea_popescu READING ALL THESE [02:34]
benkay so these gpg contracts [02:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17029 @ 0.00089346 = 15.2147 BTC [-] {3} [02:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6371 @ 0.00089323 = 5.6908 BTC [-] {2} [02:36]
benkay specifically for MPOE/MPEx, wherein it's laid out that bond deposits must be greater than 100 BTC - what is our overlord's process for updating these contracts to reflect the reality of 50 BTC bond deposits, and how would our overlord advise future contract writers to behave when making similar modifications? [02:38]
mircea_popescu there;s 50 btc bond deposits ? [02:39]
BingoBoingo There is an Alphabet Soup Agency Agent right now reading all of Bitcointalk's posts and being pissed that the guy in the neighboring cubicle gets to instead just read the -assets log and follow any linked content. [02:39]
mircea_popescu there probably should be 10 btc bond deposits, seeing how the lot got downsized [02:39]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo word lol [02:39]
jurov O.o benkay you're writing guidelines for contract writers??? [02:41]
benkay well i'll be damned [02:41]
kakobrekla its an interesting topic [02:42]
benkay nah jurov i'm just wrong about stuff [02:42]
benkay but maybe one day i'll have written a few gpg contracts and can write guidelines for stuff [02:42]
kakobrekla i put the variable part of the contract in a seperate part [02:43]
jurov smickles wrote some [02:43]
kakobrekla i did put [02:43]
jurov i then snatched them [02:43]
jurov and mutilated beyond repair [02:43]
kakobrekla so you end up with 2 docs, one being disposable or whatever [02:43]
benkay o hey mind forwarding your snatch? [02:43]
benkay (el oh el forwarding a snatch) [02:43]
jurov you want to pay smickles too? [02:44]
benkay can't see why i would [02:44]
mircea_popescu having a variable part kinda defeats the immutable niceness of gpg [02:46]
mircea_popescu immutable niceness kinda defeats being alive [02:46]
mircea_popescu rock paper snatch. [02:47]
kakobrekla like deposit addy is defined in X where X is a time limited contract [02:47]
mircea_popescu that works yes [02:48]
mircea_popescu or like the x.eur settlement works [02:48]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00297397 = 0.2082 BTC [+] [03:05]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 52 @ 0.00291245 = 0.1514 BTC [-] {3} [03:06]
benkay !t m nsa [03:08]
assbot Things which are alike, in nature, grow to look alike, and the speaking stones have lain a long time lookin' at the sun. [03:08]
benkay !h [03:08]
assbot List of commands: [03:08]
assbot !ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t} [03:08]
assbot !last (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l} [03:08]
assbot !mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order) [03:08]
assbot !rules (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r} [03:08]
assbot !exchanges (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e} [03:08]
assbot !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com) [03:08]
assbot !bash (desc: bashes last lines to bash) {short: !b} [03:08]
assbot !quote (desc: quotes last lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q} [03:08]
benkay !t m snsa [03:08]
assbot Shit. You ain't even old enough to smoke. [03:08]
benkay !t mpex snsa [03:08]
assbot I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly. [03:08]
kakobrekla !t m s.nsa [03:09]
benkay !t mpex nsa [03:09]
assbot [MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00015 / 0.00015066 / 0.00016 (11671 shares, 1.76 BTC), 30D: 0.0001011 / 0.00010918 / 0.00016 (508879 shares, 55.56 BTC) [03:09]
assbot I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly. [03:09]
benkay thanks kakobrekla [03:09]
kakobrekla yw [03:09]
benkay !l m s.nsa [03:09]
assbot Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00016 BTC [+] [03:09]
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jurov !t m x.eur [03:11]
assbot The vision of Christ that thou dost see ... is my vision's greatest enemy. [03:11]
wao-ender :D [03:11]
jurov !depth m x.eur [03:11]
jurov $depth x.eur [03:12]
mpexbot jurov: X.EUR Bids: ['5000 @ 0.0016245', '2000 @ 0.0016129', '100 @ 0.00153846', '350 @ 0.00147'] [03:12]
mpexbot jurov: Asks: ['1000 @ 0.00209999', '1000 @ 0.00217391', '2000 @ 0.00227272'] [03:12]
benkay i see davout is now posting bids and asks ;) [03:12]
jurov if it's davout [03:12]
jurov in the beginning there was only 2000 bid/ask [03:13]
jurov the 1000/5000 ones are newere [03:13]
benkay well someone [03:13]
benkay davout i think is obligated to maintain a spread [03:13]
jurov that was helluva spread at first [03:14]
benkay hella spreaaaad [03:14]
mircea_popescu still kinda wide [03:14]
jurov ;;calc 1/0.00209999 [03:14]
gribble 476.192743775 [03:14]
jurov ;;calc 1/0.00162450 [03:14]
gribble 615.574022776 [03:14]
jurov ;;bc,convert eur [03:15]
gribble 1 BTC = 736.0 USD = 534.9984 eur [03:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04425 = 0.177 BTC [-] {2} [03:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 768 @ 0.00297079 = 2.2816 BTC [+] {4} [03:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 107 @ 0.0029708 = 0.3179 BTC [+] [03:17]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.0028505 = 0.1995 BTC [-] {3} [03:23]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8935 @ 0.00089979 = 8.0396 BTC [+] {2} [03:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2560007 = 0.768 BTC [+] {3} [03:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.25233366 = 2.271 BTC [-] {6} [03:54]
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benkay "the operators of bitcoin" oh my lols [04:02]
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jborkl Sup ladies [04:04]
benkay can't tell if derp or sarcasm [04:04]
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truffles hey girls [04:05]
mike_c it should be on coinion, but it's atcually derp. [04:05]
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mircea_popescu the operators of bitcoin, twisted instigators. [04:11]
jborkl Bitcoin is boring lately, I am going to start trolling to keep myself entertained [04:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00089431 = 14.5773 BTC [+] [04:20]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1636 @ 0.00089172 = 1.4589 BTC [-] [04:42]
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truffles dub the dick [04:50]
truffles lol [04:50]
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dub never [04:52]
truffles nim thinks so :p [04:52]
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pankkake my Bernankoin is going along well, finally. preview of the splash screen: http://i.imgur.com/3vshLef.png [05:15]
pankkake just need to tweak the Quantitative Easing function some more [05:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10337 @ 0.0008916 = 9.2165 BTC [-] [05:17]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.25 = 1.5 BTC [-] [05:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6226 @ 0.00089574 = 5.5769 BTC [+] {2} [05:27]
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mircea_popescu http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/16/the-nsa-claims-it-foiled-a-foreign-plot-to-destroy-the-u-s-economy/ [05:28]
ozbot The NSA Claims It Foiled a Foreign Plot to Destroy the U.S. Economy | TheBlaze.com [05:28]
mircea_popescu the bitcoin is foiled! [05:28]
Apocalyptic wtf [05:28]
truffles lmao [05:29]
truffles bitcoin is a terrorist organization [05:29]
mircea_popescu pls gib us more monyz, we are not useless. we thwarted a tethan plot to turn the sun pink! [05:29]
Apocalyptic heh [05:29]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.0249 = 0.498 BTC [+] [05:33]
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Ziggy9263 Let the lurking begin? [05:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 17 @ 0.0249 = 0.4233 BTC [+] [05:34]
ThickAsThieves mining is no longer profitable, stop teh hashzorz! [05:35]
Apocalyptic TAT, don't bother, you're not winning the bet :) [05:35]
ThickAsThieves :) [05:35]
Ziggy9263 .bait [05:35]
ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbrbz7hSy71qk6jw7o1_500.jpg [05:35]
ThickAsThieves an american can dream, can't he? [05:35]
Ziggy9263 .bait [05:36]
ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4qn0j7Prn1r9mvn7o1_500.jpg [05:36]
Ziggy9263 .bait [05:36]
ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9as1xK4Wn1rb3lryo1_500.jpg [05:36]
Ziggy9263 .sharkbait [05:36]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: At what point for you does sabotagine miners become profitable? [05:36]
Ziggy9263 .oohaha [05:36]
ThickAsThieves ziggy, yknow you can make out with ozbot in private too [05:37]
Ziggy9263 OH! [05:37]
ThickAsThieves i dont know what sabotage costs [05:37]
Ziggy9263 I just saw the 500 and assumed it was the same picture... [05:37]
asciilifeform nsa foils plot to destroy us economy! strateegic nyooke levels redmond, wa. please stay out of crater. [05:37]
Ziggy9263 It... Isn't... [05:37]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Well for a pair of shears and the location of the mains power into a mining farm... [05:38]
ThickAsThieves i assume attacking pools would be most disruptive [05:38]
Apocalyptic indeed [05:38]
ThickAsThieves i hear there's an internet main line in cyprus... [05:38]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Well I though you had a bet to win... [05:38]
fiat500 ohai ThickAsThieves [05:38]
BingoBoingo Does NeoBee even hash? [05:38]
ThickAsThieves sup [05:38]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: botnets are already switching from mining to pool ddos. [05:38]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Took them long enough [05:39]
ThickAsThieves neobee gon hash donuwurry nun [05:39]
asciilifeform it's been the case for a while. [05:39]
Apocalyptic asciilifeform, interesting [05:39]
asciilifeform the best sabotage is free. [05:39]
ThickAsThieves i guess i need more hacker friends [05:39]
Ziggy9263 ThickAsThieves: So do I. I need to hack more often, too. [05:41]
Ziggy9263 I only ever do it at school, lol. [05:41]
Ziggy9263 But really, once I have admin on the computer I'm on and free, unblocked internet, at school, then I'm all good, no need to hack more, lol. [05:42]
Ziggy9263 But if I were to ever make it downtown to the ISD's office... [05:42]
asciilifeform there's more to life than an uncensored net connection. [05:43]
Ziggy9263 I'd keep a livecd and a rat with me... [05:43]
Ziggy9263 asciilifeform: That's where the admin power comes in, but only for the local computer... Which is nice. [05:43]
Ziggy9263 Windows... [05:43]
Ziggy9263 I know the password of one of my teachers, and so I log in, open up the console, add my admin account, log out and back into the account, and then I'm all good... After that, I just proxy on over to my server and then watch youtube videos all class period. [05:44]
Ziggy9263 And go onto IRC. [05:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16067 @ 0.00089114 = 14.3179 BTC [-] {3} [05:45]
Ziggy9263 asciilifeform: I have a question for you... [05:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1633 @ 0.00089027 = 1.4538 BTC [-] [05:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MG] 1337 @ 0.00010339 = 0.1382 BTC [-] {2} [05:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.NSA] 1337 @ 0.00012 = 0.1604 BTC [-] [05:46]
asciilifeform prof at my uni, years ago, peeking at a kid's laptop: 'if you play net poker during my lecture, at least have the decency to win.' [05:46]
Apocalyptic heh [05:46]
mircea_popescu lol [05:46]
Ziggy9263 asciilifeform: Internic Network... Reminds me of Uplink... You ever played it? [05:46]
asciilifeform ? [05:47]
Ziggy9263 Never played it? [05:47]
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asciilifeform i've never 'played' times square, or the bering strait, or nato, either [05:48]
asciilifeform how do you 'play' internic? [05:48]
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Ziggy9263 asciilifeform: I asked if you'd played Uplink, sir. [05:49]
Ziggy9263 asciilifeform: The game by introversion software. [05:49]
asciilifeform nope. [05:49]
Ziggy9263 Okay then, nevermind... [05:49]
asciilifeform played 'core wars' though. [05:49]
asciilifeform recommended. [05:49]
Ziggy9263 Ahahaha! [05:49]
Ziggy9263 core wars... [05:50]
Ziggy9263 I played it a little, had to format my computer before I could really get into it, though. [05:50]
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Ziggy9263 Do you also lurk in #osdev? [05:50]
asciilifeform nope. [05:50]
Ziggy9263 Ok. Just wondering, because your name seemed familiar... [05:51]
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mircea_popescu i played nato. [05:51]
mircea_popescu it's kinda boring [05:51]
HaltingState Ziggy9263, i love uplink [05:53]
Ziggy9263 I love it, too. [05:54]
dub https://twitter.com/StephenAtHome/status/412769258771189761 [05:54]
ozbot Twitter / StephenAtHome: TONIGHT: "The NSA is spying ... [05:54]
Ziggy9263 I want to get a tablet just so I can play it on the tablet, lol. [05:54]
mod6 corewars++ [05:54]
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Ziggy9263 And corewars is cool, too. [05:55]
Ziggy9263 Any of you ever heard of PSDoom? [05:55]
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Ziggy9263 No? [05:58]
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truffles dub heard about that lol [06:03]
BingoBoingo Anyone here see that Scheier is getting pushed out of his "Security Futurist" job at BT? [06:03]
truffles and how there are so many narcs theyre running into each other lol [06:03]
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BingoBoingo Everyone is a narc when exposed to rectothermal threats [06:04]
asciilifeform 'hey torquemada! what do you say? - i just got back from the auto-da-fe!' [06:05]
truffles ;;ud rectothermal [06:05]
gribble Google found nothing. [06:05]
truffles ;;google rectothermal [06:06]
gribble Schneier on Security: Norbt: ; Loper OS » Practical Cryptoanalysis of Elliptic Curve DSA.: ; Amazon Vows To Fight Government Requests For Data - Slashdot: [06:06]
truffles wtf does that mean! [06:06]
asciilifeform looks like i might be responsible for throwing that into the english-speaking world. [06:06]
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bloctoc ;;ud rectum [06:07]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rectum | Rectum. Arsehole; anus; poop chute; where thy loafs become pinched. The place where excretement is expelled from the body in a glorius flexing of thy muscles ... [06:07]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: rectum [06:07]
truffles so its like a probe but with pcs ? [06:07]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: You did indeed [06:07]
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BingoBoingo truffles: It is a soldering iron in the pooper [06:08]
truffles what human would do that [06:08]
BingoBoingo truffles: A human who really wants another human's secrets [06:08]
truffles thats no longer a human to me [06:10]
truffles or at least not a sane one [06:10]
jborkl Well I guess it depends on if it is on or off [06:10]
asciilifeform what's the sane thing to do? ask the enemy nicely? [06:10]
BingoBoingo truffles: Maybe not a person. Human though merely implies species, not the worth of any particular member of the species. [06:11]
asciilifeform that's normally done first, in any case. [06:11]
asciilifeform '1st degree of the extraordinary question: shown the instruments.' [06:11]
truffles torture works on the weak sure [06:11]
truffles true believers i dunno [06:12]
truffles and most ppl wouldve already spilled [06:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.00089712 = 44.4972 BTC [+] {2} [06:12]
asciilifeform choice was whether to spill before or after the smell of sizzling arse fills the room. [06:12]
fiat500 BingoBoingo: BT? [06:13]
BingoBoingo fiat500: The telecom he work/s/ed for [06:14]
fiat500 he works for a british telecom? [06:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC [06:14]
BingoBoingo Seems like it [06:14]
fiat500 wtf [06:14]
fiat500 thats insane [06:14]
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BingoBoingo Well, it goes well with the he was a government collaborator theory... [06:15]
fiat500 the brits are so much worse about personal privacy than the US [06:15]
fiat500 eh, interesting conspiracy theory [06:15]
truffles what did he collaborate?? [06:15]
fiat500 where is this news? [06:15]
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BingoBoingo fiat500: This is just a tabloid source, but http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/12/nsa-surveillance-critic-bruce-schneier-to-leave-post-at-bt/ [06:17]
fiat500 ars is a tabloid now? [06:18]
BingoBoingo fiat500: it kind of has been for a while [06:18]
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fiat500 oh, he was acqui-hired [06:19]
fiat500 that makes more sense to me [06:19]
BingoBoingo And now he's Departe-fired [06:19]
fiat500 lol, nice play on words [06:20]
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truffles "BT has been fingered by The Guardian" hmm [06:20]
deego Did BT like it? [06:25]
truffles prob not [06:26]
deego Fingered by its own Guardian. That's some serious abuse. :( [06:26]
mircea_popescu hahahaha [06:28]
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mircea_popescu some fucktard is trying to sell me some amazon bitcoin bible [06:45]
mircea_popescu "over 200 pages the book describes easy to understand, but in depth all the [06:45]
mircea_popescu wide-ranging aspects of Bitcoins" [06:45]
mircea_popescu written by a bunch of tards i never heard of. [06:45]
mircea_popescu what is this world coming to [06:45]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I'd be more disturbed if they weren't selling it. [06:46]
mircea_popescu i guess niels bohr also got fliers in the mail about this new way to learn all there's tio know about neutrinos [06:47]
mircea_popescu written by our entreprising if dimwitted friends across the pond [06:47]
BingoBoingo Of course [06:47]
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ThickAsThieves lets IPO a book [06:50]
ThickAsThieves the history of bitcoin [06:50]
ThickAsThieves itll just be the IRC log [06:50]
ThickAsThieves this the ending for it. [06:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00089772 = 8.1693 BTC [+] [06:51]
ThickAsThieves fin. [06:51]
mircea_popescu you know mty logs of this chan are > 50mb [06:51]
BingoBoingo I dunno Paper gets expensive [06:51]
mircea_popescu that's roughly 10`000 pages. [06:51]
ThickAsThieves an e-book then! [06:51]
ThickAsThieves even scammier [06:52]
ThickAsThieves it's an epic history after all [06:52]
ThickAsThieves much drama and tragedy [06:52]
Bugpowder just thru chapter 3 [06:53]
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mircea_popescu tbh i think the "only 200 pages" is a selling point. [06:53]
ThickAsThieves maybe we need to hire a shakespeare to bibleize the storys [06:54]
mircea_popescu storeys [06:54]
ThickAsThieves sry storees [06:54]
ThickAsThieves parables n whatnot [06:54]
ThickAsThieves Mircea 5:12 [06:55]
mircea_popescu to invest or not, is it wiser in the purse to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous povertah [06:55]
ThickAsThieves hehe [06:55]
mircea_popescu or take arms against a sea of ipos and in scamtagging end them! [06:55]
fiat500 and lo, mircea said unto thee, insert coins to continue reading [06:55]
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ThickAsThieves http://www.bitcoinpulse.com/ [07:01]
ozbot Bitcoin Pulse - Monitoring the pulse of Bitcoin [07:01]
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deego assbot: nice a.. and nice name! [07:04]
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benkay asciilifeform: i attended a talk on a google product this evening (that strongly resembles javascript but isn't in some not so subtle ways) and when i asked the presenter about managing different versions of libs on one computer was told that such was just never considered as a use case. [07:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.24999779 = 1.25 BTC [+] {3} [07:42]
benkay how did we get here? [07:42]
benkay more importantly than loper os is a history of "why compute am broek: a histree" [07:42]
benkay anyways. i don't really understand these tools yet but i suspect something went horribly horribly wrong at some point before i was born. [07:43]
BingoBoingo benkay: Well, in asciilifeform's case a bit after he was born, but still after [07:44]
benkay BingoBoingo: do you know? can you recite the ballad of how computers got wholly fucked? [07:45]
fiat500 benkay: this wouldnt be an issue if "modern" programmers werent so fucking lazy and stopped breaking backward compatibility with every dot release [07:45]
fiat500 then we wouldnt need bullshit like rvm [07:46]
benkay there are lots of stupid people out there who are always going to make shitty code [07:47]
BingoBoingo fiat500: As a counter example backwards compatibility has crippled x86 for most of its histoy. [07:47]
fiat500 you say crippled, i say there are wonderful libs written 10 years ago i can still use today [07:47]
fiat500 not everyone can keep maintaing every piece of code they write [07:47]
BingoBoingo fiat500: I don't mean on that level. I mean in that eal and protected modes are still things in x86 [07:48]
asciilifeform and so are msdos-era oddities like 'unreal mode.' [07:49]
fiat500 how is that holding things back? just leave it [07:49]
asciilifeform it still wurks. used an intel 'xeon' in 'unreal mode' just last year. [07:50]
Apocalyptic hum [07:51]
Apocalyptic why was that mode used for in the first place ? [07:51]
asciilifeform 16 bit instrs with flat address space. [07:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56638 @ 0.00089937 = 50.9385 BTC [-] {2} [07:52]
asciilifeform segmented address spaces, book-length instruction sets, interrupt controllers with book-length specs, etc. are retarded. [07:53]
fiat500 anyway, theres probably more valid arguments against keeping legacy vm features than there are against maintaining sane APIs [07:53]
asciilifeform sorry, there just isn't another side to it [07:53]
fiat500 motherfucker, dont change the goddamn API, i dont want to rewrite my goddamn code every time you release a new version [07:53]
fiat500 [07:54]
fiat500 deprecate the old one and stop updating it, sure [07:54]
mircea_popescu fiat500 part of that is making very simple apis [07:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 5700 @ 0.001 = 5.7 BTC [07:55]
fiat500 mircea_popescu: some of these so-called 'modern' languages change basic core premises in the language sometimes [07:55]
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fiat500 "lel0loloz i'm changing how 'print' behaves" [07:55]
fiat500 &c [07:56]
gribble Error: "c" is not a valid command. [07:56]
fiat500 O_o [07:56]
asciilifeform not everything is built by retarded trendoids: [07:57]
asciilifeform here next to me sits a paperback book, on the instruction set used by the cpu in 'cardano' [07:57]
asciilifeform library sticker reads '1988'. [07:57]
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fiat500 btw, ffmpeg is especially bad at this [07:58]
fiat500 those guys can rot in hell :P [07:58]
Apocalyptic asciilifeform, out of curiosity what OS are you running for everyday use ? [07:59]
benkay what is the cpu, asciilifeform? [07:59]
asciilifeform for everyday use, ordinary linux [07:59]
asciilifeform 'gentoo' [07:59]
asciilifeform cpu in what [08:00]
Apocalyptic what do you think of arch ? [08:00]
asciilifeform never used it, can't comment. [08:00]
benkay cardano [08:00]
asciilifeform 'mips' [08:00]
fiat500 dat mips, lets you choose your endianness [08:01]
fiat500 how insane is that [08:01]
benkay sheeeeeeit. [08:01]
asciilifeform this is actually useful/ [08:02]
asciilifeform . [08:02]
fiat500 i use insane positively here [08:02]
asciilifeform it's a headache if you intend to use an operating system [08:02]
asciilifeform but otherwise great. [08:02]
asciilifeform at any rate you set the flag once in antifuse & forget about it. [08:03]
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* BingoBoingo wishes he would have bought all the DEC alpha equipment in 03-04 [08:20]
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BingoBoingo .bait [09:49]
ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdw48hNMSC1rlvc92o1_500.jpg [09:49]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: If only Carlsen could LISP? https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/412715259124674560 [10:12]
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mircea_popescu http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/4/1/9/1/4/9/webimg/700111825_o.jpg [20:56]
mircea_popescu make underwear for the purpose of showing the snatch, [20:56]
mircea_popescu airbrush the snatch out of the publicity photos [20:56]
mircea_popescu this has got to be purit-us. [20:56]
KRS- I think I'm seeing higher lows forming on the graphs..market price is going to climb again after this last round of selling. [20:58]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [20:59]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 746.10001, Best ask: 746.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.79999, Last trade: 747.995, 24 hour volume: 46510.92498132, 24 hour low: 678.8904, 24 hour high: 824.88888, 24 hour vwap: 737.03733 [20:59]
KRS- why blur the best part..damn. [20:59]
KRS- Looks delicious otherwise. [20:59]
Namworld Market price is always going to climb again after a round of selling or fall again after a round of buying. Be it in 1 minute, 1 day, 1 year or 200 years [21:00]
mircea_popescu now that's a point. [21:00]
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KRS- ya..i was hoping it wasn't going to be a lower low and i am happy about that. [21:00]
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dexX7 KRS-: my advise is to use the lows to buy more und relax, enjoy the journey and keep in mind that your goal right now should be to get as many coins as possible, not usd [21:06]
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KRS- chatter around the net is 'final warning' http://i.imgur.com/BHtpTfx.png [21:09]
dexX7 you'll the this damn picture again and again and again [21:10]
TomServo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw [21:11]
ozbot Europe - The Final Countdown - YouTube [21:11]
mircea_popescu im still betting the us goes first. [21:11]
KRS- you are expecting it then [21:12]
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dexX7 like the us starts "banning" btc? [21:13]
*stamit* is it something difficult to express? [21:13]
mircea_popescu dexX7 no, like the us forms soup kitchen queues first. [21:13]
*stamit* hope it's not some kind of esoteric religious practice [21:13]
stamit added to ignore list. [21:14]
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*stamit* you there? [21:14]
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dexX7 48 million americans already receive food stamps [21:14]
mircea_popescu queues tho. queues means there's not enough to go around. [21:14]
dexX7 that's more than half germany :S [21:14]
mircea_popescu well technically, it means that people are hungry enough to queue and got nothing better to do with their time than queue. [21:15]
mircea_popescu powerlessness and hopelessness. [21:15]
benkay ;;ticker [21:16]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 735.7145, Best ask: 736.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.28550, Last trade: 735.7145, 24 hour volume: 45932.13596275, 24 hour low: 678.8904, 24 hour high: 824.88888, 24 hour vwap: 736.32899 [21:16]
KRS- and since this is turning out to be a bubble everyone's net worth will only be a fraction of what it was if you all didn't sell off your bitcoin [21:16]
mike_c that image is photoshopped. the price curve wasn't that smooth. [21:16]
mircea_popescu the image is also racist. [21:17]
mike_c yeah, white & black? bullshit. [21:17]
dexX7 lol [21:17]
davout clear [21:17]
mircea_popescu esp because the black is used to represent the unknown. is the implicatiobn blacks can't write or don't have money ? [21:17]
mircea_popescu in case you're wondering, i've just written an article about painful underwear, and as a result read up some feminist blogs. that shit's such a self-parody... [21:18]
mircea_popescu just add water an' stir. froth guaranteed [21:18]
mike_c menthol? that is painful just to read. [21:20]
nubbins` i smoked menthols for years [21:21]
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nubbins` reading that made me crave one [21:21]
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kakobrekla menthol fags? arent those for kids? [21:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00089949 = 28.6038 BTC [-] {2} [21:23]
midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio [21:30]
mircea_popescu mike_c there's this temple balm made by teh chinese [21:30]
mircea_popescu the household name is "cunt fortifier". [21:30]
mike_c it probably sounds even better in chinese [21:30]
mircea_popescu http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00PeHQLFpnHGrS/Essential-Balm-Temple-of-Heaven.jpg [21:30]
mircea_popescu this thing [21:31]
mircea_popescu basically parafin oil imbibated with camphor and methol to the point it's rusty brown [21:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00090368 = 15.6337 BTC [+] {2} [21:31]
mike_c and people buy this.. [21:31]
mircea_popescu it's great. [21:31]
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nubbins` kakobrekla: not sure. they taste like nothing after a while anyway [21:40]
dub the brown is from ground cockroach and tigerpenis [21:40]
mircea_popescu lol doubt it, for what it costs. [21:42]
BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg4011380#msg4011380 [21:42]
ozbot Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock] [21:42]
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dub continuing to place trust in that shitbag after the shill bidding revelation was pretty smart in the first place butt [21:49]
mircea_popescu herp. [21:50]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla is vindicated. [21:50]
mircea_popescu bless his evil soul or w/e the expression was [21:51]
topace [14:43:43] anyone here running a bot on havelock [21:52]
topace [14:43:47] new rate limiting is now in effect [21:52]
topace [14:43:58] there was a few people not playing nice [21:52]
topace [14:43:59] so i had no choice [21:52]
topace [14:44:25] one bot was doing 3000 requests per 600 seconds (5 per second!) [21:52]
topace [14:44:33] the limit is now 600 per 600 seconds [21:52]
topace [14:44:48] aka 1 per second, over the past 10 minutes [21:52]
topace [14:45:02] * subject to chnage of course [21:52]
topace all responses also now contain an 'apirate' parameter, which, the entire time i was code, read as "api rate", but just as i finished, i looked back and went "yarrrrrrrrr a pirate!" [21:53]
kakobrekla i belive it was slanderous soul, as dully noted in the feedback shrani.si/f/z/L3/oFmb4zW/trust.png [21:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 560 @ 0.001 = 0.56 BTC [21:55]
mircea_popescu a that yeah. [21:55]
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kakobrekla dunno how he risked 500 btc with me though [21:55]
kakobrekla must be high or something [21:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04499999 = 0.27 BTC [+] {2} [21:56]
ThickAsThieves his comment on mine says "Left Illegitimate feedback. Please remove and I will do the same." [22:02]
ThickAsThieves so i left him a second negrating [22:02]
mircea_popescu lol [22:03]
mircea_popescu you can do multiple ? [22:03]
ThickAsThieves yeah [22:03]
kakobrekla meh, sheep will be sheep [22:03]
dub tbh if 16 and not high sometimes you're doing it wrong [22:05]
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BingoBoingo If only scammer tags were still a thing [22:15]
BingoBoingo http://bitbet.us/bet/314/bitcointalk-org-treasurer-to-be-scammer-tagged/ [22:15]
ozbot BitBet - Bitcointalk.org treasurer to be scammer tagged [22:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00090061 = 18.8227 BTC [-] {2} [22:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00090424 = 10.4892 BTC [+] [22:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 245 @ 0.00297655 = 0.7293 BTC [+] {8} [22:33]
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mircea_popescu sucks huh [22:37]
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BingoBoingo Eh, who know. Funny how Garr seems to have the allegiance of both Thermos and Goat though [22:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 30000 @ 0.001 = 30 BTC [22:40]
mircea_popescu there's not many scams goat hasn't shilled, starting with pirate. [22:40]
mircea_popescu there's however no legitimate business he ever pushed. [22:40]
mircea_popescu pretty decent predictor. [22:41]
jcpham rofl fact [22:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 10000 @ 0.001 = 10 BTC [22:41]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/621/any-altcoin-will-surpass-litecoin-in-market-capitalization/#c2105 lol [22:42]
ozbot BitBet - Any altcoin will surpass Litecoin in market capitalization [22:42]
jborkl I was looking through the forum donators list today [22:43]
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jborkl also a good predictor [22:44]
jborkl I looked to see what happened to our good buddy Ripple, it is now a donate your spare computing power to help the planet [22:45]
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mircea_popescu it is yeah. [22:46]
davout hah it's for real [22:46]
mircea_popescu for a while there mid 2012 the scammer mo was pretty much theswede's : make acct, donate, post 2k posts and buy some old accts. [22:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 65381 @ 0.001 = 65.381 BTC [22:49]
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BingoBoingo ;;asks 1000 [22:52]
gribble There are currently 12463.257 bitcoins offered at or under 1000.0 USD, worth 10980943.0123 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0790 seconds [22:52]
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BingoBoingo ;;asks 2500 [22:53]
gribble There are currently 35298.499 bitcoins offered at or under 2500.0 USD, worth 40994299.675 USD in total. | Data vintage: 71.9605 seconds [22:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 201 @ 0.003 = 0.603 BTC [+] {2} [22:53]
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BingoBoingo ;;asks 10000 [22:56]
gribble There are currently 36323.35 bitcoins offered at or under 10000.0 USD, worth 46115259.7283 USD in total. | Data vintage: 239.6925 seconds [22:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.003 = 0.114 BTC [+] [22:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.262 BTC [+] [22:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.0009048 = 11.9434 BTC [+] {2} [22:59]
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Namworld ;;bids 1 [23:07]
gribble There are currently 235083.49 bitcoins demanded at or over 1.0 USD, worth 30049576.4399 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0680 seconds [23:07]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.09951099 = 0.9951 BTC [+] {4} [23:42]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0466 = 0.2796 BTC [+] [23:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00090263 = 12.9527 BTC [-] [23:58]
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