Forum logs for 16 Jan 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00049671 = 4.9919 BTC [-] {4}	[00:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3383 @ 0.00050078 = 1.6941 BTC [+] {2}	[00:10]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00050563 = 6.826 BTC [+] {2}	[00:13]
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pete_dushenski	tevye update : synced, 16 connex, 825 mb memory, 333 mb vswap in use.	[00:20]
mod6	^5	[00:20]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371845 << obligatory >> http://www.contravex.com/2014/04/20/the-brokenness-of-maidsafe/	[00:21]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 00:26:39; shinohai: MaidSafe: http://i.imgur.com/zzTxIsF.jpg?1	[00:21]
assbot	The Brokenness of MaidSafe \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1RrkRW7 )	[00:21]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371864 << go joe's datacentre !	[00:22]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 01:00:35; BingoBoingo: https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99 << 6!	[00:22]
pete_dushenski	mod6: not 6 ?	[00:23]
mod6	haha	[00:23]
mod6	^6 it is then	[00:23]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371072 << isn't this an absurdly long sync time ?	[00:24]
assbot	Logged on 15-01-2016 12:12:28; mircea_popescu: my 3 week old node is at 332425	[00:24]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371071 << and this too !!1	[00:24]
assbot	Logged on 15-01-2016 12:11:09; shinohai: 3 months? Running for first time with -verifyall	[00:24]
pete_dushenski	mebbe i'm missing something here	[00:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00050583 = 1.2646 BTC [+] {3}	[00:26]
mod6	iirc, to fully sync a node /before/ -verifyall or orphanage burner were even a thing, took me ~8-10 days on a medium sized AWS server. now its a bit longer with those two in play.	[00:26]
pete_dushenski	nuts. i didn't think my vm was anything special, but it was less than a week to fully sync up 99997k	[00:30]
pete_dushenski	in other nyooz, "Apple Inc said it will soon start charging for iTunes Radio, its music-streaming service that competes with Pandora Media Inc."	[00:30]
pete_dushenski	so apple can buy russia (tm) (r) but still has to nickel and dime the poor users of its shrinking sandboxes	[00:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39250 @ 0.000496 = 19.468 BTC [-] {5}	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	... was it one of the numerous scurrying vermin theo allows himself to be surrounded by? << hard to tell. derpy oversight ? who knows.	[00:41]
*	BingoBoingo has yet to see drama overflow into openbsd-misc so dunno where it is happening	[00:43]
BingoBoingo	For archaeologists http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/outrageous-roaming-fees	[00:44]
assbot	outrageous roaming fees ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQ8Nyo )	[00:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13493 @ 0.00050262 = 6.7819 BTC [+] {2}	[00:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00050657 = 2.9888 BTC [+] {2}	[00:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2406 @ 0.00050658 = 1.2188 BTC [+]	[01:10]
BingoBoingo	Quantrill is at block 134118 beginning to feel some CPU constraints	[01:16]
pete_dushenski	why not take it off 8333 until synced ?	[01:16]
BingoBoingo	Because what other ports should it have open?	[01:16]
*	pete_dushenski not the right guy to answer this	[01:17]
BingoBoingo	Anyways provided Joe's people provided accurate accounting for the wares they are leasing processor in box is "Opteron 170" so not the newest bos in the world	[01:17]
pete_dushenski	"Only a passing mention of the post-Google salary he was drawing from United States Government security agency linked venture capital firm Andreessen1 Horowitz was offered by Popper." << reads funny. maybe missing a hyphen, or a comma, or needs a new ordering or something.	[01:19]
pete_dushenski	"Blockchain handling databased changed to LevelDB" << database	[01:19]
pete_dushenski	"itz was offered by Popper. The focus of Popper's piece is" << also, switch of tenses in same paragraph	[01:20]
BingoBoingo	fxd	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	yeah that spaghetti needs untangling.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	you and your yurpean prosody bb, what do you think, you're italian now ?	[01:25]
BingoBoingo	I honestly have no idea	[01:25]
pete_dushenski	bbias. have to move car underground. it's going to be -33c overnight...	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	popper nearly forgot to mention that his employer these days is USG agency AH or something.	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	and incidentally : by now you've got a tell of prime order in this wordiness business. i see you can't get something out in less than eight complements i know you're not altogether happy with it. the thing is - consider cutting it out altogether if that's the case.	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	not like there's such a shortage of bitchslapping you're stuck using the whole chicken, feathers and all.	[01:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14093 @ 0.00050658 = 7.1392 BTC [+]	[01:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00050775 = 5.8137 BTC [+] {3}	[01:36]
mod6	<+BingoBoingo> Because what other ports should it have open? << you should only open incoming port 8333 when you want people to connect to your node to sync ~from you~	[01:36]
mod6	<+pete_dushenski> bbias. have to move car underground. it's going to be -33c overnight... << -27.4 F, yep, that'll chill ya out. makes for pretty hard & fast ice tho. so there's the upside there.	[01:38]
mod6	who's up to speed on DER?	[01:46]
mod6	I've made a patch to remove high-S, added in patch, recompiled, restarted bitcoind and then sent a tx. here's what I'm looking at from a dumpblock of that tx:	[01:47]
mod6	http://dpaste.com/3EXKA4D.txt	[01:47]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1UWl9Wk )	[01:47]
mod6	I think I've got those R & S values picked out correctly, right? Anyone have any thoughts on this?	[01:48]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2635 @ 0.00050446 = 1.3293 BTC [-] {2}	[01:51]
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pete_dushenski	mod6: these kinds of temps do indeed make for excellent ice. and though it's a bit brisk for du patinage, the ice on whyte festival is on this weekend just down the street from my place (https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=ice%20on%20whyte), for which it's -30c for every second year and +5c on the alternates. i'll bundle up and take it this way. it's sorta sad to watch the ice sculptures melting.	[01:59]
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deedbot-	[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] In which Pete has way too much fun at Law School, Part III. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/15/in-which-pete-has-way-too-much-fun-at-law-school-part-iii/	[02:05]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00050724 = 4.5652 BTC [+] {3}	[02:21]
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BingoBoingo	!up linton_s_dawson	[02:49]
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BingoBoingo	it happens	[02:49]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371076 << i just remembered that 'international' made pretty much exactly this house-towing, sidewalk-shredding, lamppost-buckling "pick-up" from 2004 - 2008. called the 'cxt' and priced right at $100k. though it weighed 7 tonnes (15k lbs), it had a 7.6l diesel engine with 220hp and 540 lb. ft. of torque and was capable of hauling or towing up to 6 tonness	[02:53]
assbot	Logged on 15-01-2016 12:16:33; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1370904 << in truth, engine miniaturization has proceeded to the point where this product would be marketable : a 4x4 "true" SUV with a pick-up truck option that has a 2-3 liter gasoline engine with a gpl add-on (so you can run it either on full gasoline, or do gasoline starting and run on gas) that autoswitches from powering the drive tr	[02:53]
pete_dushenski	http://image.trucktrend.com/f/features/news/2013/1310_2005_international_cxt_historical_flashbacks/55048118/2005-International-CXT-front-view-in-motion.jpg	[02:54]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JQjcKy )	[02:54]
pete_dushenski	it was discontinued due to poor sales.	[02:54]
pete_dushenski	though a few of them are still to be found on the streets around here. though a lamborghini is a more common sighting.	[02:55]
BingoBoingo	They really should reintroduce it this year	[02:57]
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BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[02:57]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 371.22, vol: 35524.57929436 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 373.063, vol: 24358.00231 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 372.51, vol: 121576.55024584 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 375.0, vol: 17.97919529 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 375.981487, vol: 92646.55420000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 373.32, vol: 609.38427365 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 381.909088, vol: 308.93380557 \| Volume-weighted last (1 more message)	[02:58]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[02:58]
gribble	average: 373.574225317	[02:58]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker	[02:58]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 372.5, Best ask: 372.51, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 372.51, 24 hour volume: 121554.83699054, 24 hour low: 357.02, 24 hour high: 417.9, 24 hour vwap: None	[02:58]
copypaste	pete_dushenski: i've changed my opinion about you because you drive a very nice car. keep up the good work	[02:58]
pete_dushenski	lolk	[02:59]
pete_dushenski	i wonder what kids would think of me if i drove a 'cxt' ?	[02:59]
pete_dushenski	probably "that asshole hates the environment. what a pig !"	[03:00]
copypaste	i'd think you were a farmer	[03:00]
copypaste	or some other american rural dweller	[03:00]
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pete_dushenski	that's actually reasonably fair, even if the only guy i ever knew who owned a 'cxt' was an industrial pipe-fitter or plumber or something of the sort	[03:01]
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pete_dushenski	husband of a former colleague	[03:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00050439 = 4.363 BTC [-] {4}	[03:11]
pete_dushenski	speaking of 'international', just found the BingoBoingo-special : http://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/652995075/overview/	[03:12]
assbot	1977 International RALLY,	[03:12]
BingoBoingo	That's actually not a bad price	[03:13]
pete_dushenski	;;calc 26768/372	[03:14]
gribble	71.9569892473	[03:14]
BingoBoingo	Of course it's a bad price in BTC	[03:15]
pete_dushenski	;)	[03:15]
BingoBoingo	But it's not a bad price in say Ohio McMansions	[03:15]
pete_dushenski	heh	[03:15]
pete_dushenski	too bad ohio mcmansions aren't on the blockchain then	[03:15]
pete_dushenski	(yes, wall streeters reading this, ~the~ blockchain, not "a")	[03:16]
BingoBoingo	Well you gotta blame the20year for that problem	[03:16]
pete_dushenski	obligatory : http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/19/there-is-no-bitcoin-2-0/	[03:17]
assbot	There Is No "Bitcoin 2.0" \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQlhWR )	[03:17]
pete_dushenski	wow, almost two years ago eh	[03:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00050166 = 3.01 BTC [-] {2}	[03:17]
pete_dushenski	;;seen The20yearirc	[03:17]
gribble	I have not seen The20yearirc.	[03:17]
pete_dushenski	what was it..	[03:17]
pete_dushenski	;;seen the20yearirclous	[03:18]
gribble	I have not seen the20yearirclous.	[03:18]
pete_dushenski	fuck	[03:18]
pete_dushenski	;;seen The20YearIRCloud	[03:18]
gribble	The20YearIRCloud was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 24 weeks, 1 day, 17 hours, 29 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: Why/where?	[03:18]
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pete_dushenski	for the n00bs, The20YearIRCloud was (is?) the operator of https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=RENT	[03:20]
assbot	Havelock Investments ... ( http://bit.ly/1lgPWRB )	[03:20]
BingoBoingo	Could not get his tenants to take pictures with posters for dope money	[03:21]
pete_dushenski	he could've taken the pics himself, collected the donations too	[03:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00050567 = 7.9643 BTC [+]	[03:43]
BingoBoingo	In other news Qntra comment to post differential is now back up to 304	[03:48]
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BingoBoingo	!up kingking190	[03:48]
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kingking190	Hey guys ^_^	[03:49]
BingoBoingo	o hai	[03:49]
kingking190	How is bitcoin doing tonight ?	[03:49]
BingoBoingo	Wonderful	[03:49]
kingking190	so what are you guys up to ?	[03:50]
pete_dushenski	playing house. you wanna be the fireman or the doctor ?	[03:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3658 @ 0.00050727 = 1.8556 BTC [+]	[03:51]
kingking190	whats the price now ?	[03:51]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[03:51]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 366.72, vol: 35499.20733251 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 365.821, vol: 24741.42222 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 368.3, vol: 122413.87469575 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 375.0, vol: 17.97919529 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 373.387818, vol: 94005.37010000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 367.16001, vol: 610.30129482 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 381.909088, vol: 307.3416549 \| Volume-weighted last (1 more message)	[03:51]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[03:51]
gribble	average: 369.612942207	[03:51]
kingking190	thanks	[03:51]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all --currency rmb	[03:51]
gribble	BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2452.62, vol: 94010.96910000 \| Volume-weighted last average: 2452.62	[03:51]
kingking190	rmb ?	[03:52]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all --currency gbp	[03:52]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 257.217408, vol: 35499.29556780 \| BTC-E BTCGBP last: 257.7645, vol: 24771.86207 \| CampBX BTCGBP last: 263.025, vol: 17.97919529 \| BTCChina BTCGBP last: 261.962244, vol: 94006.93770000 \| Kraken BTCGBP last: 260.0, vol: 44.73258408 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCGBP last: 267.882346, vol: 307.3416549 \| Volume-weighted last average: 260.211990616	[03:52]
BingoBoingo	kingking190: Chicom funny money	[03:52]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all --currency eur	[03:52]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 336.062208, vol: 35499.15579493 \| BTC-E BTCEUR last: 341.1693, vol: 520.84706 \| CampBX BTCEUR last: 343.65, vol: 17.97919529 \| BTCChina BTCEUR last: 342.198688, vol: 94011.45260000 \| Kraken BTCEUR last: 338.64001, vol: 23064.895381 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR last: 346.21, vol: 307.6416549 \| Volume-weighted last average: 340.248534409	[03:53]
punkman	bon dia	[03:54]
pete_dushenski	hola senor	[03:54]
punkman	nice price eh	[03:56]
pete_dushenski	higher than it was last year at this time :)	[03:58]
kingking190	;;ticker -- market all	[04:06]
gribble	(ticker [--bid\|--ask\|--last\|--high\|--low\|--avg\|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market \|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)	[04:06]
punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371961 << speaking of which, are transactions without strict-DER encoding still getting through?	[04:07]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 04:44:54; mod6: who's up to speed on DER?	[04:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8224 @ 0.00050726 = 4.1717 BTC [-]	[04:08]
kingking190	;;ticker --market all	[04:08]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 366.87, vol: 35390.33590136 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 367.296, vol: 24740.45312 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 369.45, vol: 123089.05550487 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 375.0, vol: 17.97919529 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 372.2212, vol: 94584.78930000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 368.3101, vol: 609.35545635 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 381.887264, vol: 295.46809622 \| Volume-weighted last (1 more message)	[04:08]
pete_dushenski	!gettrust kingking190	[04:09]
assbot	kingking190 is not registered in WoT.	[04:09]
pete_dushenski	get in the wot, wouldja	[04:09]
BingoBoingo	punkman: No, incapable of getting mined into a block that won't be orphaned	[04:09]
punkman	for mod6 https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5713/files	[04:10]
assbot	Implement BIP66 by sipa · Pull Request #5713 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UWwJRu )	[04:10]
kingking190	who me ?	[04:12]
BingoBoingo	yes you	[04:13]
pete_dushenski	couldn't be ! then who ? number two !	[04:14]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371193 << i actually got it and i'm not even a soviet refugee	[04:14]
assbot	Logged on 15-01-2016 15:28:39; ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371101 << l0lz!! am i the only one who gets this ref	[04:14]
kingking190	How do i get Wot ?	[04:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00050725 = 4.4638 BTC [-]	[04:16]
BingoBoingo	!help	[04:16]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot	[04:16]
BingoBoingo	that	[04:16]
kingking190	yes sir	[04:16]
pete_dushenski	kingking190: http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/23/please-to-pgp-guide-for-linux-os-x-windows/	[04:17]
assbot	Please To PGP (Guide for Linux, OS X, Windows) \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvuPYi )	[04:17]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22431 @ 0.00050082 = 11.2339 BTC [-] {5}	[04:22]
BingoBoingo	!up kingking190	[04:24]
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kingking190	hmmm says as a windows user i can't get wot ? >_>	[04:26]
BingoBoingo	Mebbe fix the windows user part?	[04:27]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371450 <-- ? --> http://dailyheadlines.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Screen-Shot-2015-07-10-at-11.30.24-PM.png	[04:27]
assbot	Logged on 15-01-2016 18:09:07; *: trinque tries to find that picture of guy with american flag planted in his ass, can't	[04:27]
BingoBoingo	Got a crappy old laptop you can try linux on kingking190	[04:27]
kingking190	lol i have linux on my server :P	[04:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14255 @ 0.00049895 = 7.1125 BTC [-]	[04:28]
pete_dushenski	or mebbe more like http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/b/batista/17.jpg	[04:28]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1UWyy0H )	[04:28]
BingoBoingo	A server's a pretty shitty place to keep personal private key material	[04:28]
pete_dushenski	bout the same as windows, really	[04:29]
kingking190	>_< i don't keep anything personal on there mate.............	[04:29]
kingking190	same with windows.......	[04:29]
pete_dushenski	you have any bitcoin ?	[04:29]
kingking190	>_> yes and its safe from you.	[04:29]
kingking190	:P	[04:29]
pete_dushenski	lemme guess, trezor ?	[04:30]
kingking190	and why would i go telling everone where it is? >_>	[04:30]
punkman	http://blog.cryptsy.com/post/137323646202/announcement mega-lol	[04:31]
assbot	Cryptsy Blog — Announcement ... ( http://bit.ly/2364INd )	[04:31]
kingking190	like yes yell to the world where my safe is lol	[04:31]
BingoBoingo	kingking190: Well you're actually supposed to do that the the decoy safe you keep full of FOOF	[04:32]
BingoBoingo	!s FOOF	[04:32]
assbot	5 results for 'FOOF' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=FOOF	[04:32]
kingking190	well in that case yes its on this computer.......	[04:33]
punkman	"At one time we had a open communication with Secret Service Agent Shaun Bridges on an unrelated matter, but I think we all know what happened with him – so he was no longer somebody we could report this to. Recently I attempted to contact the Miami FBI office to report this, but they instead directed me to report it on the I3C website. I’ve not heard anything from them."	[04:33]
kingking190	btw the back doors are open for everyone lol :P	[04:33]
BingoBoingo	kingking190: If your computer was full of FOOF I doubt it would be on, much less on irc.	[04:34]
kingking190	lol so when do you guys think of buy more bitcoin ?	[04:34]
BingoBoingo	Might as well if you can	[04:34]
punkman	erryday	[04:34]
pete_dushenski	punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-01-2016#1370753	[04:35]
assbot	Logged on 15-01-2016 04:19:52; pete_dushenski: blame irc for all the world's problems !!	[04:35]
BingoBoingo	kingking190: Us poorfags though who can not afford FOOF are stuck with thermite	[04:35]
kingking190	YAY thermite !!!	[04:37]
kingking190	I have a mac but too lazy to go down to the car and get it.	[04:38]
kingking190	its -20f here :(	[04:39]
pete_dushenski	brisk, baby	[04:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00049295 = 3.6232 BTC [-] {2}	[04:39]
BingoBoingo	-20f is too warm a temperature for storing FOOF	[04:40]
BingoBoingo	far too warm	[04:40]
kingking190	seems dead in here	[04:40]
kingking190	lol	[04:41]
BingoBoingo	key line generators are asleep	[04:41]
kingking190	;;ticker --market all	[04:41]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 360.0, vol: 35286.08020648 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 359.123, vol: 25400.10303 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 360.5, vol: 126585.24866502 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 375.0, vol: 17.97919529 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 364.598585, vol: 97736.48050000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 364.144, vol: 630.52793496 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 365.562912, vol: 296.11653737 \| Volume-weighted last (1 more message)	[04:41]
kingking190	yay drop more !!!!	[04:41]
punkman	kingking190: you should probably get an old laptop and airgap it, then you can safely generate both GPG and Bitcoin keys on it	[04:43]
kingking190	ya i should	[04:43]
kingking190	just too lazy right now	[04:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10673 @ 0.00049894 = 5.3252 BTC [+] {2}	[04:45]
BingoBoingo	Also consider getting a FOOF system for the Patek Phillipe of fail deadly area denial	[04:45]
kingking190	hmmm ?	[04:46]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371581 << growing up, mine as well. they're actually native to these parts, if rare. their 'snowshoe' paws always fascinated me.	[04:46]
assbot	Logged on 15-01-2016 19:04:36; ascii_butugychag: lynx happens to be my favourite felid	[04:46]
kingking190	How do i WoT on here ?	[04:47]
BingoBoingo	kingking190: Here's a primer on FOOF http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2010/02/23/things_i_wont_work_with_dioxygen_difluoride	[04:47]
assbot	Things I Won’t Work With: Dioxygen Difluoride \| In the Pipeline ... ( http://bit.ly/2365F88 )	[04:47]
pete_dushenski	kingking190: less talking more reading.	[04:48]
kingking190	lol	[04:48]
BingoBoingo	How do i WoT on here ? << You basically read up for a few months, demonstrate you aren't an irredeemable lout and less talking more doing. It works if you work it.	[04:48]
punkman	https://libreboot.org/docs/hcl/c201.html interesting	[04:48]
assbot	ASUS Chromebook C201 ... ( http://bit.ly/2365GZY )	[04:48]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371626 << it's more like, "i have such a winning personality that beautiful people can't help but hang around me. maybe you'll be ~yet another~ such lucky person."	[04:50]
assbot	Logged on 15-01-2016 19:26:39; mircea_popescu: and they never say "i'm the ugly one" either. or you know, "the short boring looking one". it's always "i'm the one in the right	[04:50]
kingking190	!register 57E72CD7F935682FB8E5254B0C5455BF89B9D200	[04:51]
assbot	Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 57E72CD7F935682FB8E5254B0C5455BF89B9D200. This may take a few moments.	[04:51]
assbot	No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu.	[04:51]
pete_dushenski	it's an over-estimation of "internal" beauty.	[04:51]
pete_dushenski	kingking190: if you just made the key, make sure you've sent it to the keyservers, then wait a few for it to propagate	[04:51]
pete_dushenski	otherwise, good form so far.	[04:51]
kingking190	i had waited like 5 mins lol guess i can wait some more.	[04:53]
kingking190	!register 57E72CD7F935682FB8E5254B0C5455BF89B9D200	[04:53]
assbot	Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 57E72CD7F935682FB8E5254B0C5455BF89B9D200. This may take a few moments.	[04:53]
assbot	No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu.	[04:53]
pete_dushenski	try sending to keyserver again. if you already have, just hang tight. there's no rush.	[04:54]
*	assbot removes voice from kingking190	[04:55]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371750 << gavin et al. could've at least tried something more descriptive like "bitcoin double" or "bitcoin plus" or "bitcoin extra" or "bitcoin supersize" etc etc.	[04:57]
assbot	Logged on 15-01-2016 21:33:36; mircea_popescu: all that hard work trying to select a marginally defensible epithet and coming up with "classic"...	[04:57]
pete_dushenski	!up kingking190	[04:57]
*	assbot gives voice to kingking190	[04:57]
kingking190	hmmm ok	[04:57]
kingking190	says i been registerd	[04:57]
pete_dushenski	!rate kingking190 1 let's give this a shot	[04:58]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a5114aaf160eb22d	[04:58]
kingking190	there we go :D	[04:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00049589 = 5.9011 BTC [-] {4}	[04:59]
pete_dushenski	!v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.kingking190.1:a71e096874e6f4e4c229b49495aa87900f4636c339a49a3e27b8e180085359e1	[04:59]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for kingking190 with note: let's give this a shot	[04:59]
kingking190	thank you much	[04:59]
pete_dushenski	now you can /msg assbot !up then decrypt the otp then !v it	[04:59]
pete_dushenski	np	[04:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00049295 = 4.0422 BTC [-]	[05:00]
kingking190	now that part i am lost at ....	[05:00]
pete_dushenski	type `/msg assbot !up`	[05:01]
kingking190	i did...	[05:01]
BingoBoingo	!down kingking190 lurk moar until you aren't lost	[05:01]
kingking190	sent me back a link	[05:01]
*	assbot removes voice from kingking190	[05:01]
pete_dushenski	then follow the link that assbot gives you	[05:01]
pete_dushenski	k. then go to the link and copy and paste it into a new txt document	[05:01]
*	assbot gives voice to midnightmagic	[05:01]
BingoBoingo	Oh midnightmagic I thought you were done with this channel?	[05:02]
pete_dushenski	kingking190: then in your command line tool, type `gpg --decrypt filename.txt`	[05:02]
pete_dushenski	you'll enter your passphrase and it'll spit out the decrypted message	[05:03]
pete_dushenski	copy that, go back to irc and tell assbot `!v decryptedfilename.txt`	[05:03]
pete_dushenski	"The Bitcoin experiment is six years old." << hey fred wilson, it's 7 yo. can you count ?	[05:05]
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pete_dushenski	kingking190: aha. wd.	[05:06]
kingking190	thanks pete for the help	[05:06]
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pete_dushenski	all good :)	[05:07]
kingking190	!down BingoBoingo no help	[05:07]
pete_dushenski	kingking190: so are you a trader ? or what do you do ? you american ?	[05:07]
kingking190	american	[05:08]
kingking190	i trader for fun	[05:08]
kingking190	I am a trader for fun not tooo big..	[05:08]
kingking190	just 18 hours with out sleep.	[05:08]
pete_dushenski	aha. day job ?	[05:09]
kingking190	you know computer hacker j/k i repair computers / ETC	[05:09]
pete_dushenski	cool	[05:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4272 @ 0.00049295 = 2.1059 BTC [-] {2}	[05:11]
kingking190	i like the job. only had it for about 60 days	[05:11]
pete_dushenski	https://youtu.be/mgw6y3cH7tA << omg burkaworx ! (tm)	[05:12]
kingking190	but the boss is nice. Plus the hours are good.	[05:12]
assbot	10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman in Hijab - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4EK5A )	[05:12]
pete_dushenski	kingking190: what'd you do before ?	[05:12]
kingking190	>_< construction	[05:12]
pete_dushenski	yeah that's slowing down eh	[05:13]
kingking190	i hated it	[05:13]
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kingking190	when i met my wife she told me. " you got one year to find a job you like or back to construction with you"	[05:13]
pete_dushenski	a woman in charge (but accommodating)	[05:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00049295 = 4.2147 BTC [-]	[05:15]
kingking190	eh its fine i love her ^_^	[05:15]
kingking190	been with her for 3 years now.	[05:16]
pete_dushenski	if you don't mind me asking, how old are you ?	[05:16]
pete_dushenski	(to give "3 years" context)	[05:16]
kingking190	i been sick for the last week it sucks	[05:16]
kingking190	26 now	[05:16]
pete_dushenski	ah well then 3 years is pretty decent :)	[05:17]
pete_dushenski	!up frogman_	[05:17]
ben_vulpes	o gawd pete_dushenski the cxt	[05:17]
*	assbot gives voice to frogman_	[05:17]
kingking190	been married for two years now.	[05:17]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes: lol!	[05:17]
pete_dushenski	ima have a cxt parked next to my zonda.	[05:18]
midnightmagic	BingoBoingo: me? no, never. you guys are differently-informed than anyone else. I would miss important things if I weren't in here lurking.	[05:18]
BingoBoingo	ah	[05:18]
pete_dushenski	kingking190: cool beans. well over half the dudes in here are married / in long-term relationships so you're in good company.	[05:18]
BingoBoingo	I thought the whole sedition thing scared you off, or did the Bundy success inflate your balls at least a little bit more?	[05:19]
pete_dushenski	http://morningsteel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/penis-pump-history.jpg << inflated	[05:19]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4FszU )	[05:19]
kingking190	pete_dushenski, i love being married never got to wonder what i am doing this weekend lol	[05:19]
kingking190	pete_dushenski, plus always have a girl in the bed can't whine about that ^_^	[05:20]
pete_dushenski	1 > 0	[05:20]
kingking190	;ticker --market all	[05:21]
BingoBoingo	kingking190: What if wife breaks contract and turns into an Obeast Hamplanet?	[05:21]
kingking190	;;ticker --market all	[05:22]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 360.19, vol: 34416.70759602 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 358.85, vol: 26425.32616 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 362.85, vol: 126477.16867845 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 375.0, vol: 17.97919529 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 365.775864, vol: 99766.80990000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 367.07, vol: 604.11409206 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 354.651021109, vol: 351.92414883 \| Volume-weighted last (1 more message)	[05:22]
BingoBoingo	kingking190: mebbe don't spam the ticker so much? Especially if you aren't going to ;;more to get the average?	[05:22]
midnightmagic	BingoBoingo: Hrm. No, and that occupation has a terrible name. I'm Canadian. The gun culture up here is mostly ex-americans and preppers and they bury themselves where nobody can find them.	[05:22]
kingking190	BingoBoingo, ^_^ i make her RUN!!!! RUN!!!!	[05:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00049409 = 13.6616 BTC [+] {4}	[05:23]
midnightmagic	Unless you're in Alberta! Then it's all "shit the Metis might have another uprising, argh"	[05:23]
kingking190	BingoBoingo, do you whine about everything ? or just some stuff ?	[05:24]
pete_dushenski	kingking190: that's no way for a n00b to talk, kid.	[05:24]
BingoBoingo	kingking190: I've only been sober for jsut under 3 months now. I'm still getting used to this whole deal that goes with not being a blackout drunk. Serious lifestyle changes involved.	[05:25]
kingking190	BingoBoingo, oh i'm sorry wish you the best of luck. stay sober! ( goes and grabs a beer)	[05:26]
BingoBoingo	Also discoveries made. Like coffee does a much better job promoting wakefulness when it isn't just used as a delivery vehicle for Irish cream.	[05:26]
kingking190	pete_dushenski, i am who i am kinda hard not to be.	[05:26]
pete_dushenski	if only that were true...	[05:26]
kingking190	pete_dushenski, i alway say whats on my mind ( why my wife hits me soo much LOL!!!! )	[05:27]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Were you around for the early shittalking between n00b BingoBoingo and n00b ben_vulpes in an episode that seriously confused mircea_popescu sometime around August 2013?	[05:27]
pete_dushenski	kingking190: y'know, given your unsolicited professions of love for your wife earlier, that she hits you isn't the least bit surprising.	[05:28]
pete_dushenski	;/	[05:28]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: This came around the time Eve online was on its decline as a #b-a fad	[05:28]
kingking190	pete_dushenski, ^_^ she calls them love taps hahahahahaha	[05:28]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: just ever so slightly before my time. mighta read it during my 'yeshiva' but don't recall the specifics atm.	[05:28]
frogman_	hi everyone	[05:29]
BingoBoingo	hai	[05:29]
kingking190	hello	[05:29]
frogman_	thanks pete_dushenski	[05:29]
kingking190	pete_dushenski: i am not sure the book bag was a love tap LOL >_> it was full at that time T_T	[05:30]
pete_dushenski	np frogman_. who might you be ?	[05:30]
frogman_	im a new comer to bitcoin	[05:30]
kingking190	The worlds best hacker RUN RUN RUN !!!	[05:30]
frogman_	my friend told me to check this out	[05:31]
frogman_	so im here	[05:31]
kingking190	Well welcome to Bitcoin.	[05:31]
BingoBoingo	Welcome. Keep coming back. It works when you work it.	[05:31]
frogman_	thanks	[05:31]
kingking190	pete_dushenski: so what are you doing tonight ?	[05:33]
frogman_	So im trying to buy my first bitcoin	[05:33]
kingking190	coinbase was where i got my first one... well wait i mined my first one. but the first one i got with real money lol	[05:34]
kingking190	i like coinbase setup so far.	[05:34]
frogman_	wow thats cool	[05:34]
pete_dushenski	kingking190: reading finance news/logs and blogging a bit earlier, flipping through tumblr pr0n atm. pretty standard evening.	[05:35]
kingking190	pete_dushenski: get a wife/ girl friend to help you with the pr0n.	[05:35]
frogman_	id like to buy on bitcoin otc	[05:36]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: How's pantagruel been?	[05:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8312 @ 0.00049295 = 4.0974 BTC [-] {2}	[05:36]
pete_dushenski	the kinda girl you marry and the kinda girl that does this https://45.media.tumblr.com/a5c6fa2e5d71aba12c394bd025276e7c/tumblr_nwow33geQK1uj17vto1_400.gif are hiiiiighly unlikely to be one and the same	[05:36]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1P5AS7m )	[05:36]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: quite well :)	[05:37]
kingking190	well then i guess my wife is rally good ^_^	[05:38]
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BingoBoingo	!up cazalla	[05:38]
*	assbot gives voice to cazalla	[05:38]
pete_dushenski	caz !	[05:39]
cazalla	down down, prices are down!	[05:39]
cazalla	evening	[05:39]
BingoBoingo	Have a CoinacolaclassicwithLime	[05:39]
kingking190	prices are going up up up up !!!	[05:40]
frogman_	so all of you are writing on qntra regularly :)	[05:42]
kingking190	i like to trader LTC and XMR	[05:42]
kingking190	TRade *	[05:42]
kingking190	>_< soooooo sleeply	[05:42]
BingoBoingo	A lot of people have given it a swing, but some write more regularly than others.	[05:42]
cazalla	kingking190, nah prices are definitely down, picking up all these cheaps coins will give you a hearnia!	[05:44]
BingoBoingo	Do moar squats!!!	[05:44]
pete_dushenski	deadlifts too	[05:44]
frogman_	yes specially you BingoBoingo!	[05:44]
kingking190	i will just go play with my wife some more.	[05:45]
*	pete_dushenski tried deadlifting for the first time this month. did 1.4x body weight.	[05:45]
cazalla	BingoBoingo, been doing em, already added 50kg to my squat since november (90kg then, 140kg yesterday)	[05:46]
*	BingoBoingo does not yet trust back enough to try deadlifts.	[05:46]
BingoBoingo	sweet cazalla	[05:46]
cazalla	not in the squat rack though, this sliding one where u stand in it like a space man	[05:46]
*	assbot removes voice from frogman_	[05:47]
cazalla	like this, but more vertical and less black dudes http://i.imgur.com/6szKPkT.png	[05:48]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4I40C )	[05:48]
BingoBoingo	Smith machine	[05:48]
BingoBoingo	Muh Triggerz	[05:48]
pete_dushenski	l0l!	[05:49]
cazalla	yeah sorta doesn't count eh, not hitting dem stabilisers, but using the machines to avoid injury, i always end up with some nagging injury from free weights	[05:49]
cazalla	still, butts to the floor, none of that half squat shit	[05:49]
cazalla	so, all this drama over hearnia, when i thought he said he left already?	[05:50]
kingking190	hmmmm	[05:51]
kingking190	nothing to say about this lol	[05:52]
cazalla	kingking190, hearnia or weight lifting?	[05:52]
kingking190	cazalla : nothing on that stuff	[05:53]
cazalla	both? oh ok	[05:53]
cazalla	maybe you should lift so your wife doesn't think you have low t or something	[05:53]
kingking190	LOL i pick up my wife just about every night and take her to bed.	[05:54]
cazalla	does she fall asleep in front of the tv?	[05:54]
kingking190	>_< no she plays video games untill she falls asleep :P	[05:55]
cazalla	a gamer girl? fuck, i hate them (no offense)	[05:55]
kingking190	LOL why is that ?	[05:55]
cazalla	well, you know the likes of kaceytron?	[05:56]
kingking190	who ?	[05:56]
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cazalla	kingking190, she's a cam whore masquerading as a gamer girl, problem is, porn is easily accessible, so i don't really need to see all these cam whores on sites like twitch.tv	[05:57]
cazalla	great tits though	[05:57]
kingking190	lol i play games not watch people play them lol	[05:57]
cazalla	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEhyGrK4fiE	[05:57]
assbot	Who is Kaceytron - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4J1pF )	[05:57]
kingking190	anyways why would i watch a gamer girl play when i have one to grab right here ?	[05:58]
cazalla	because i have a missus and i know that grows boring after the x month	[05:58]
cazalla	watching games is OK, depends on the game	[05:58]
punkman	Twitch really missed out on a solid revenue stream when they banned topless gurlz	[05:59]
kingking190	meh i love my wife so i can't get board	[05:59]
BingoBoingo	But does time love your wife?	[05:59]
cazalla	the whole girls play games thing though is really just women playing games aka advertising apps on their iphone	[06:00]
kingking190	BingoBoingo, yes :P	[06:00]
BingoBoingo	kingking190: 3 decades from nao?	[06:00]
kingking190	BigBitz, she will look lovely to me	[06:02]
cazalla	kingking190, yellow fever huh?	[06:02]
kingking190	cazalla, hey she the love of my life.	[06:03]
cazalla	kingking190, you must have rocks in your head to be using btcjam (where i saw the avatar of you and the wife)	[06:03]
cazalla	well, that's a nice thing	[06:03]
BingoBoingo	lol still using btcjam?	[06:03]
cazalla	https://btcjam.com/users/39517	[06:04]
assbot	kingking190 - BTCJam ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4JuIx )	[06:04]
kingking190	i have no loan out	[06:04]
kingking190	one*	[06:04]
BingoBoingo	There are seriously some lessons much better learned 3 or 4 years ago	[06:04]
kingking190	looking my user name up ?	[06:05]
kingking190	you going to find everthing	[06:05]
kingking190	used that user name for anything since i was 10	[06:06]
cazalla	you married yao ming? https://scontent.fadl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/v/t1.0-9/998763_621316914553436_1093532295_n.jpg?oh=1f7bf66c129e34576e83ac3354fa593f&oe=573FA991	[06:06]
kingking190	^_^	[06:06]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4JIzd )	[06:06]
kingking190	^_^ yes	[06:06]
cazalla	soz, i am only playing :) god knows my missus does not look near as good as she did when we first mete	[06:06]
kingking190	she still looks the same as she did when i first met her ^_^	[06:07]
kingking190	well better	[06:07]
cazalla	bonus points to you then	[06:07]
kingking190	anyways why are you giving me so much shit about this anyways ?	[06:07]
cazalla	tbh, this is how much australians talk to each other in conversation	[06:08]
cazalla	most*	[06:08]
BingoBoingo	kingking190: Here you have to be sensitive to actual cultural diversity	[06:08]
*	assbot removes voice from cazalla	[06:09]
BingoBoingo	!up cazalla	[06:09]
*	assbot gives voice to cazalla	[06:09]
kingking190	ahh its fine just poking a bit fun back :(	[06:10]
kingking190	don't get too mad	[06:10]
cazalla	kingking190, ya not worried ya kids will end up supreme gentlemen?	[06:10]
kingking190	why would i be worried ?	[06:11]
cazalla	you know, the elliot rodger type when white meets yellow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3lBPMiZakY	[06:11]
assbot	Elliot Rodger Smokes Weed Everyday - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4Kn3A )	[06:11]
kingking190	LOL	[06:12]
kingking190	i am not worried	[06:12]
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punkman	you must have rocks in your head to be using btcjam << lending money on btcjam is stupid, taking their money, eh, why not	[06:13]
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BingoBoingo	!up op_null2_	[06:14]
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cazalla	punkman, if he's borrowing, i'd bet he's lending too	[06:14]
cazalla	otherwise his account would've been shitcanned for scamming already	[06:15]
kingking190	i did for a bit but not anymore	[06:15]
op_null2_	Wonder when the community will learn that threatening hard forks crashes the price and leads nowhere ?	[06:16]
kingking190	i made good money on there.	[06:17]
kingking190	Theres a trick to getting loans out and make good money on them.	[06:18]
BingoBoingo	op_null2_: This one seems less liek a legit crash and more like a broomstick firing http://trilema.com/2015/so-the-broomstick-fired/	[06:18]
punkman	op_null2_: the "community" can't rub two bitcents together so what do they care about price	[06:18]
assbot	So the broomstick fired. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3duik )	[06:18]
kingking190	but they don't let us do that anymore .	[06:20]
kingking190	you could pull out like 5 btc on a 5% loan for 30 days	[06:21]
punkman	kingking190: and what if the guy runs with your 100btc	[06:22]
kingking190	punkman, not talking about lending. talking about pulling a loan out >_<	[06:23]
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cazalla	kingking190, i hear asian women make good wives, is that true?	[06:23]
cazalla	in that they are more subservient, treat you like a real man without actually having to be one	[06:23]
kingking190	cazalla, depens what you want? if you want a girl who treats you good yes but if you mess with them there not like USA girls where they walk out....	[06:24]
kingking190	they will do much worse	[06:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10586 @ 0.00049839 = 5.276 BTC [+] {2}	[06:25]
kingking190	plus there not like USA girls where ( oh you lost all your money pour thing she leaves you.)	[06:25]
kingking190	hell we both slept on the floor for 6 months	[06:27]
kingking190	and ate romen noodles for 2 months	[06:27]
cazalla	birthdays was the worst days?	[06:28]
kingking190	what do you mean ?	[06:28]
punkman	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/15/switzerland-joins-denmark-in-seizing-assets-from-refugees-to-cover-costs	[06:30]
assbot	Switzerland seizing assets from refugees to cover costs \| World news \| The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4LTmq )	[06:30]
cazalla	ya know, that you and ya missus went from negative to positive, and it's all good!	[06:30]
cazalla	what assets to refos have?	[06:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10997 @ 0.00049922 = 5.4899 BTC [+] {3}	[06:30]
punkman	"If you have property worth more than 1,000 Swiss francs when you arrive at a reception centre you are required to give up these financial assets in return for a receipt." "refugees who win the right to stay and work in Switzerland also have to surrender 10% of their pay for up to 10 years until they repay 15,000 Swiss francs in costs."	[06:30]
cazalla	from that article it would seem the refos have more savings than the locals	[06:31]
punkman	cazalla: not all the refugees are dirt poor	[06:31]
cazalla	times like this i'm glad to be down under.. good fucking luck swimming that distance to get here	[06:31]
kingking190	i wish XMR would go up	[06:32]
kingking190	i sitting on about 1k	[06:33]
cazalla	what's that? moronero?	[06:34]
kingking190	yes	[06:34]
BingoBoingo	punkman: ty for link	[06:34]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell fluffypony one of your fans is visiting	[06:35]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[06:35]
kingking190	i am really hoping LTC jumps	[06:35]
punkman	0.001 xmr/btc eh, I bought/sold some around 0.005, glad I didn't stick with it	[06:36]
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kingking190	lol	[06:36]
kingking190	i made some really good money on XMR	[06:37]
kingking190	made about 5.7 btc alone on that one	[06:37]
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cazalla	why are you relegated to hope then kingking190 ?	[06:37]
BingoBoingo	!up kingking190	[06:37]
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BingoBoingo	!up op_null2	[06:38]
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op_null2	Thanks.	[06:38]
kingking190	hmm what do you mean cazalla ?	[06:38]
op_null2	What ever happened to mircea_popescu 's bet that Ethereum wouldn't launch?	[06:38]
op_null2	or would be vaporware	[06:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00049301 = 3.1553 BTC [-] {3}	[06:38]
op_null2	did he pay out?	[06:38]
cazalla	op_null2, none of you cunts put your money where your mouth is, at least until after the fact like now	[06:39]
op_null2	so nobody took him up on the bet?	[06:39]
cazalla	kingking190, hoping litecoin goes up doesn't seem like a sound strategy that's all i'm saying	[06:39]
BingoBoingo	op_null2: One person took it and never returned with a private key to claim it	[06:39]
punkman	there were some bitbet bets too	[06:39]
BingoBoingo	op_null2: Multiple morals from that story	[06:39]
op_null2	interesting. I thought it was a joke. seemed like he was giving himself bad odds	[06:39]
cazalla	why didn't you bet then op_null2 ?	[06:40]
op_null2	lack of trust, i suppose. "if its too good to be true..."	[06:40]
kingking190	cazalla, i have done the math and everything. but i just hope i am not wrong by some dumb luck	[06:41]
op_null2	He should port bitbet.us to Ethereum -- Groupgnosis and Augur will proabbly be more popular when launched	[06:41]
cazalla	no-one is gonna use that op_null2	[06:42]
kingking190	cazalla, plus the market could turn bad really fast one big market goes offline than Bang market drops ( well i will buy more but) still like shit!	[06:42]
op_null2	He could have done the same thing with MPEX -- could have been a huge altcoin trading site and made 1000's BTC in fees. he was an early mover.... I guess he alrady had too much BTC and didnt care about making more lol	[06:42]
cazalla	kingking190, i tried that trading game in early 2013, didn't work out for me, much better approach has been to buy and just hold bitcoin	[06:42]
cazalla	all these things mircea_popescu could've done, how about what you could've done op_null2 ? nothing at all eh?	[06:43]
kingking190	ok well wifey says it bed time!	[06:43]
kingking190	^_^	[06:43]
kingking190	you know what thet means YAY!!!!!!	[06:43]
op_null2	cazalla: $9 million in Augur from thousands of users. They'll use it.	[06:43]
op_null2	cazalla: I do lots of things. Like consulting for people when they're making bad decisions	[06:44]
cazalla	didn't augur scam the early investers anyway? changed it from investor to donations or something later on	[06:44]
cazalla	kingking190, have fun	[06:44]
op_null2	cazalla: no, its all accounted for	[06:44]
cazalla	yeah, i bet it is	[06:44]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Fiat Market Slide, fiat/Bitcoin Interfaces Follow In Friday Trading - http://qntra.net/2016/01/fiat-market-slide-fiatbitcoin-interfaces-follow-in-friday-trading/	[06:46]
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punkman	"The crowd is smart. Use its expertise to beat the experts with... Stunningly Accurate Predictions" topkek	[06:47]
punkman	(augur's tagline)	[06:47]
fluffypony	lol BingoBoingo	[06:47]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: How is Africa in Bitcoin doing?	[06:49]
BingoBoingo	Or is it Bitdong in Africacoin	[06:49]
fluffypony	we only trade in cattle here	[06:50]
fluffypony	BitCattle	[06:50]
BingoBoingo	ic	[06:51]
BingoBoingo	Any urgent corrections I should make to latest qntra post before trying to sleep?	[06:51]
punkman	"Augur hedged a significant portion of its holdings (13,500 BTC). Via itBit, Augur sold at an average of US$227 per BTC with $10/coin borrowing cost, netting the Project $217 per BTC." geniuses	[06:52]
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op_null2	better than holding it and it drops in half -- like ethereum did	[06:54]
op_null2	converting 50% to fiat is smart	[06:54]
cazalla	i guess it's smart when it's not your own money	[06:56]
punkman	they could have paid themselves in btc, wanted dollars instead	[06:57]
cazalla	sounds like pokeman cards to me, augur investors handed over their money for some ultra rare pokemans	[06:58]
cazalla	augur 2.0 must be in the works i'd imagine	[06:59]
punkman	https://sale.augur.net/ hah, their money went to multisig adress controlled by their foundation, BitGo and Buterin	[07:01]
assbot	Augur - Fund the Future ... ( http://bit.ly/1VjwC75 )	[07:02]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6002 @ 0.00049845 = 2.9917 BTC [+] {2}	[07:06]
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punkman	"sold all but 1,000 BTC and 100,000 ETH via over the counter (OTC) trades" "opened up a brokerage account to secure a portion of our funds in relatively secure, short term US Treasury bonds, to earn some return above bank rate interest"	[07:09]
punkman	"Augur has also contributed $20,000 to an R&D project to transition the Ethereum network from a proof of work (POW) to a proof of stake (POS) system so it can operate at higher speeds, handle more transactions and thereby become more competitive"	[07:11]
punkman	yeah 2nd crowdsale can't be far off	[07:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36972 @ 0.00050692 = 18.7418 BTC [+] {4}	[07:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12478 @ 0.00050772 = 6.3353 BTC [+]	[07:14]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00050772 = 3.554 BTC [+]	[07:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15329 @ 0.00050591 = 7.7551 BTC [-] {2}	[08:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16706 @ 0.0005059 = 8.4516 BTC [-]	[08:14]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00049199 = 6.4451 BTC [-] {4}	[08:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12916 @ 0.00050674 = 6.5451 BTC [+] {2}	[08:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.0005102 = 6.1734 BTC [+] {2}	[08:31]
cazalla	;;later tell mircea_popescu sorry to read about chetty :	[08:31]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[08:31]
cazalla	night all	[08:31]
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copypaste	POS is the perfect name for what it is. Piece of shit.	[08:44]
copypaste	It doesn't get more honest than that.	[08:44]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00050789 = 3.1235 BTC [-]	[08:55]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00050311 = 2.6413 BTC [+]	[09:50]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.0005095 = 7.184 BTC [+] {2}	[10:00]
PeterL	goodmorning	[10:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00051023 = 2.5256 BTC [+]	[10:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10295 @ 0.0005102 = 5.2525 BTC [-] {2}	[10:34]
thestringpuller	good morning	[10:43]
thestringpuller	someone just compared Hearnia to Batman/Bruce Wayne. As a batman true believer, I was hihgly insulted.	[10:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12158 @ 0.00050211 = 6.1047 BTC [-] {4}	[10:50]
PeterL	I don't get it, how could anybody compare them?	[10:52]
thestringpuller	lemme find link	[10:54]
thestringpuller	https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/416llc/mike_hearn_is_batman_xpost_rbitcoin_rbitcoinxt/ << trigger warning	[10:55]
shinohai	No other Bitcoin subreddit makes my head hurt more than r/btc lately	[10:56]
PeterL	Hearnia is an idiot, and whoever this apologist is, they are an even bigger idiot	[10:57]
PeterL	I have never seen anything worthwhile on reddit, seems like a place for idiots to gather and waste time/energy	[10:58]
shinohai	I don't even have account anymore, I just have it in my .rss feed	[10:58]
mircea_popescu	shinohai i looked through that thing yest, went "hmm, reddit went very weird ?" then realised that it's not r/bitcoin, nor r/buttcoin nor r/bitcoinxt but YET ANOTHER subreddit.	[11:03]
mircea_popescu	apparently the crazies can't really thrive together, need to splinter into smaller cjs.	[11:03]
shinohai	I forgot to check if anyone reserved r/bitcoinclassic yet	[11:04]
mircea_popescu	lol	[11:04]
shinohai	yup, set to private. Gotta keep it locked while we make moar vaporware.	[11:04]
mircea_popescu	it's gonna run out of names, end up like the neoprotestant "churches" in the us. "the true universal international church" and blabla.	[11:04]
mircea_popescu	very american this process, "we forked xtianity" "oh yeah ? what did you add ?" "the name!" "do you know the faith ?" "wut ?"	[11:05]
shinohai	^ Exactly like that	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	there's at least nine thousand "denim-inations" the sum total of whose intellectual production adds up to half a tract of an obscure irish preacher from 1840.	[11:06]
thestringpuller	drunk on whiskey in church and all!	[11:07]
mircea_popescu	(the irish weren't exactly regarded as clever or scholarly in english at the time ; the english in turn didn't make much court at rome)	[11:07]
PeterL	how about we just study the Gospel of Thomas and be nice to people?	[11:07]
mircea_popescu	but what are you gonna call it!	[11:08]
PeterL	why do we need to call it anything?	[11:08]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: well the toomims are calling your bluff, but Gavin in his recent article realizes the uphill struggle and just knows that "hey it's probably not going to work out but worth a shot", sometimes I wonder about that d00d. Eats glue but rather conscious of the actual situation.	[11:09]
thestringpuller	"calling your bluff" as if it could be called that tho.	[11:09]
thestringpuller	(for lack of better phrasing atm)	[11:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5278 @ 0.00050049 = 2.6416 BTC [-] {2}	[11:10]
mircea_popescu	well the difference between the two is that one has an extra peritoneal hole	[11:10]
mircea_popescu	PeterL ianaeasnps, but i think technically the name'd be wesleyanism	[11:11]
PeterL	"ianaeasnps" - i am not an expert at such namining protestant sects?	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	not an expert in anglo saxon neo protestant sects	[11:14]
PeterL	aha, I was close	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	it's a category in patristics, sorta like you know, the weird corner of the library. the TRULY weird corner.	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	most people resolve the problem by declaring that there's no paters past ~500ish ad and that's that.	[11:15]
PeterL	I guess you could also say that nobodies don't get to name themselves	[11:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2842 @ 0.0005005 = 1.4224 BTC [+]	[11:17]
mircea_popescu	it's complicated. for the true believer (not everyone who reads the books gives a shit, you realise, though many do) faith is a major factor, as measured in two things : uniques (on the theory that hey, god wouldn't allow the flock to scatter) and miracles (on the theory that nature is a whore, and whoever she picks is king).	[11:17]
mircea_popescu	but these are particularly confounded since the introduction of the printing press and the legal profession.	[11:18]
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thestringpuller	OMG. "The network is broken because it takes longer for payments to get confirmed. Who would wait 60 minutes or 14 hours for a payment?!?" Holy fuck-wits, people eat this shit up? Why are these people so stupid? :(	[11:21]
mircea_popescu	(the idea that "everyone plays monopoly - lawyers are the people who read the inside of the cover of the box" is very much modern. take for instance Maurice Evans' well written response to temptation : http://trilema.com/2014/understanding-argentinas-coming-default-for-real-this-time/#selection-131.1-135.146 )	[11:21]
assbot	Understanding Argentina’s Coming Default, For Real This Time on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SodZML )	[11:21]
mircea_popescu	omfg this log!	[11:26]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371963 << looks good to me ?	[11:28]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 04:46:01; mod6: http://dpaste.com/3EXKA4D.txt	[11:28]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371972 << ah so it was tried already, didn't catch on. alrighty then!	[11:30]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 05:52:12; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371076 << i just remembered that 'international' made pretty much exactly this house-towing, sidewalk-shredding, lamppost-buckling "pick-up" from 2004 - 2008. called the 'cxt' and priced right at $100k. though it weighed 7 tonnes (15k lbs), it had a 7.6l diesel engine with 220hp and 540 lb. ft. of torque and was capable of hauling or tow	[11:30]
mircea_popescu	dude what a badass looking truck. how the fuck could the ammo churning, tailgate partying, truck racing subculture not buy this through the roof is well beyond me. but then again... i'll take the newton defense.	[11:32]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371985 << the other consideration is that europe is chock full of bad copies of the classical masters. and they all suck, except the few that don't. such as for instance rubens, who learned to paint by doing a poor job of copying at first. or michelangelo, or anyone else. because yes, everyone that ever was a master painter learned his craft by trying humbly to copy and f	[11:35]
mircea_popescu	ailing miserably at producing art through this process.	[11:35]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 05:57:11; copypaste: pete_dushenski: i've changed my opinion about you because you drive a very nice car. keep up the good work	[11:35]
mircea_popescu	compared to this, the ineffectual, ineffective and brief anglo tradition of "originality" is both forced and sad.	[11:35]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372018 << wasn't that "topace" or something ?	[11:39]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 06:18:23; pete_dushenski: for the n00bs, The20YearIRCloud was (is?) the operator of https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=RENT	[11:39]
mircea_popescu	o nm.	[11:39]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372043 << yeah, yeah, funny-haha. or in chinese, "我們將埋葬你們！"	[11:41]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 06:50:35; BingoBoingo: kingking190: Chicom funny money	[11:41]
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mircea_popescu	"OMG I just died laughing at this profile, stupidly hilarious! I'm so dead I'm writing this from the grave motherfucker. It's like Family Guy meets Frasier, BRAVO!"	[11:49]
mircea_popescu	which were these, the derp who was supposedly married to patricia heaton and who's the other one ?	[11:50]
thestringpuller	you've never seen family guy?	[11:51]
mircea_popescu	i think so	[11:51]
mircea_popescu	can't remember anything past the chick tho	[11:51]
thestringpuller	it's just a rehash of the simpsons at this point just with more juvenile humor.	[11:52]
mircea_popescu	uh	[11:52]
mircea_popescu	wait, this is a cartoon ?	[11:53]
mircea_popescu	oh fuck i was thinking of "everyone loves raymond"	[11:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37143 @ 0.0005005 = 18.5901 BTC [+]	[11:53]
thestringpuller	you've seen fraiser though (i assume)	[11:56]
mircea_popescu	nope	[11:58]
mircea_popescu	premiering on September 16, 1993 << heh, too late.	[11:58]
mircea_popescu	The series was created as a spin-off of Cheers << ahahahaha omfg.	[11:58]
mircea_popescu	cheers had A SPINOFF ?!	[11:58]
thestringpuller	yea. lol "cheers but for smart people" is how i remember it being marketed	[11:58]
thestringpuller	instead of a bar we hang out in coffee shops!	[11:59]
mircea_popescu	well... the few sitcoms i knew came out in a brief one-two year interval around 1990.	[12:02]
mircea_popescu	1987-1989, something like that.	[12:02]
mircea_popescu	"Secret Service Agent Shaun Bridges on an unrelated matter, but I think we all know what happened with him" yeah, it... happened. it happened ~with~.	[12:06]
mircea_popescu	herp phenomenology i swear.	[12:06]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372146 << i guess it must be. or else it could be the ballas-diagnosed "challenge you to like me" sorta psychotic behaviour.	[12:08]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 07:49:28; pete_dushenski: it's an over-estimation of "internal" beauty.	[12:08]
mircea_popescu	where was that article...	[12:08]
mircea_popescu	https://archive.is/hm7JE#selection-473.0-483.98	[12:10]
assbot	The Last Psychiatrist: Don't Settle For The Man You Want ... ( http://bit.ly/1SUhDNQ )	[12:11]
mircea_popescu	i always thought that for someone who barely fucked, he had an extremely keen understanding of female fringe psychology.	[12:12]
thestringpuller	how does fucking correlate to knowledge of female psychology if you don't mind?	[12:14]
mircea_popescu	through the institution of talking.	[12:16]
thestringpuller	can't you do that by just cuddling?	[12:16]
mircea_popescu	recall that thread about how language is the explanation of the extremely slutty behaviour of humans as opposed to all other mammals ?	[12:16]
mircea_popescu	well, you, in the sense of you know, single case, can, sure. but statistically speaking, correlations appear.	[12:17]
thestringpuller	;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/2SB3SQA.txt	[12:18]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[12:18]
thestringpuller	having trouble finding thread on slutty behavior	[12:19]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6839 @ 0.0005102 = 3.4893 BTC [+] {2}	[12:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13761 @ 0.00051022 = 7.0211 BTC [+] {2}	[12:29]
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mircea_popescu	lemme see here	[12:41]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246517	[12:42]
assbot	Logged on 21-08-2015 01:13:38; trinque: must've been some serious run-away dick selection in human history	[12:42]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372220 << lmao guy makes one innocent comment, never lives to hear the end of it.	[12:50]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 08:17:23; BingoBoingo: I thought the whole sedition thing scared you off, or did the Bundy success inflate your balls at least a little bit more?	[12:50]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372269 << well that was fun.	[12:57]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 08:34:19; frogman_: id like to buy on bitcoin otc	[12:57]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372272 << is that so ?	[12:57]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 08:35:07; pete_dushenski: the kinda girl you marry and the kinda girl that does this https://45.media.tumblr.com/a5c6fa2e5d71aba12c394bd025276e7c/tumblr_nwow33geQK1uj17vto1_400.gif are hiiiiighly unlikely to be one and the same	[12:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.0005066 = 5.2686 BTC [-] {3}	[12:57]
thestringpuller	thanks for the thread link MP makes a lot of sense.	[12:58]
mircea_popescu	he probably did a lot of talk therapy with nutty adolescent chicks or something.	[13:00]
thestringpuller	so been reading about mises and rothbard and anarcho-capitalism. i think the "majority revolting" isn't revolting about an issue, but subconsciously rejecting the anarcho-capitalist nature of bitcoin.	[13:02]
thestringpuller	people being told "they aren't equal" seems to strike a chord that brings up crazy emotion.	[13:02]
thestringpuller	so you get people saying "blah blah conflict of interest" when in actuality I don't think conflict of interest can actually exist in bitcoin since it's all private sovereign entities voluntarily participating.	[13:03]
mircea_popescu	eh, generally "the majority" just wants nothing to exist.	[13:04]
mircea_popescu	easier that way.	[13:04]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372292 << i can lift any of the girls, and am happy with that. lbs, who needs 'em!	[13:05]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 08:44:15; *: pete_dushenski tried deadlifting for the first time this month. did 1.4x body weight.	[13:05]
mircea_popescu	;;nethash	[13:06]
gribble	754524848.626	[13:06]
mircea_popescu	https://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/ << dis bet....	[13:09]
assbot	BitBet - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash :: 105.5 B (96%) on Yes, 3.93 B (4%) on No \| closing in 8 months 3 weeks \| weight: 85`002 (100`000 to 20`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8UoUs )	[13:09]
mircea_popescu	if it doesn't climb 1/3 in 9 months some people will make incredible bank	[13:09]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372320 << you know the progression of great tits in gamer teams ?	[13:11]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 08:55:54; cazalla: great tits though	[13:11]
mircea_popescu	(starts off as cleric, healing everyone, progresses to girl under the table, sucking off everyone)	[13:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33105 @ 0.00051023 = 16.8912 BTC [+]	[13:13]
copypaste	mircea_popescu: all that has to happen is a fire in chinese mining farm ;)	[13:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9251 @ 0.00049786 = 4.6057 BTC [-] {3}	[13:14]
mircea_popescu	well, maybe not that. but the problem is purely economic : a quarter exahash is expensive as all fuck	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	and, contrary to the sugarcoated version of reality "devs" like to present, it doesn't buy the owner all that much.	[13:16]
mircea_popescu	in fact it buys them pretty much squat.	[13:16]
mircea_popescu	course, it's impolitic to say this publicly, because hey, "we", ie the ploughing flies, absolutely LOVE to prop themselves on others' work, and so every derp pouring code into a black hole he calls github feels his own personal fortune increased for some reason every time a miner puts a rig online.	[13:17]
mircea_popescu	in fact, we are at a crossroads - miner manufacturers have figured out at some point last year that cartelization is actually more productive in fiat terms for them than supplying the open market. by now they have the unmitigated cheek to publicly attempt to influence politics. imagine the outrage back in the day if BFL had dared to say what bitfury dares today.	[13:19]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372327 << pretty dumb idea yeah.	[13:21]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 08:57:43; punkman: Twitch really missed out on a solid revenue stream when they banned topless gurlz	[13:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36710 @ 0.00049644 = 18.2243 BTC [-]	[13:23]
copypaste	twitch isn't in the business of making money	[13:23]
copypaste	that's why	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	even so. the notion that girls should be dressed online is at best bizarre.	[13:24]
mircea_popescu	what, it snows in your internet ?	[13:24]
copypaste	indeed	[13:24]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372374 << "the community" of bitcoin-hating derps on social media ?	[13:26]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 09:15:18; op_null2_: Wonder when the community will learn that threatening hard forks crashes the price and leads nowhere ?	[13:26]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372394 <<< ahahaha swiss bankers and their fetish for other people's teeth.	[13:27]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 09:28:24; punkman: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/15/switzerland-joins-denmark-in-seizing-assets-from-refugees-to-cover-costs	[13:27]
adlai	when will freedom-hating derps learn that crashing properly leads to "sell, crash, ???, profit"?	[13:28]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372399 <<< bwahaha this is epic shit.	[13:28]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 09:29:15; punkman: "If you have property worth more than 1,000 Swiss francs when you arrive at a reception centre you are required to give up these financial assets in return for a receipt." "refugees who win the right to stay and work in Switzerland also have to surrender 10% of their pay for up to 10 years until they repay 15,000 Swiss francs in costs."	[13:28]
mircea_popescu	the swiss pimpvernment!!	[13:28]
mircea_popescu	so if i get a busload of nude ukrainian chicks in shitzerland and keep them chained to a basement wall "until they repay" bla bla, i'm basically being a confederate, just like all the rest of 'em. right ?	[13:29]
copypaste	so long as you have a permit	[13:32]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372432 << https://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/	[13:32]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 09:38:46; op_null2: lack of trust, i suppose. "if its too good to be true..."	[13:32]
assbot	BitBet - The ETH scam won't see 2016 :: 73.96 B (34%) on Yes, 142.49 B (66%) on No \| closed 1 month 2 weeks ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1iDIjEg )	[13:32]
mircea_popescu	https://bitbet.us/bet/530/btc-network-hashrate-will-exceed-2500-th-s-before/ << remember two years ago ? :D	[13:33]
assbot	BitBet - BTC network hashrate will exceed 2500 TH/s before February :: 0.31 B (82%) on Yes, 0.07 B (18%) on No \| closed 2 years 3 months ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8Y5JQ )	[13:33]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372434 <<< yeah, right. how about you port your sexing to birds and goats.	[13:34]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 09:39:47; op_null2: He should port bitbet.us to Ethereum -- Groupgnosis and Augur will proabbly be more popular when launched	[13:34]
copypaste	Jesus will be very popular when he comes back too	[13:35]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372437 << dude go back to cryptsy/glbse/whatever the fuck.	[13:35]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 09:41:02; op_null2: He could have done the same thing with MPEX -- could have been a huge altcoin trading site and made 1000's BTC in fees. he was an early mover.... I guess he alrady had too much BTC and didnt care about making more lol	[13:35]
mircea_popescu	fucking derps already. "ima advise my father on how to fuck because totally, my pimples are my shiedl"	[13:35]
mircea_popescu	"not like it's my job to conform my stupid head to the deeds of the greater men i perceive. i shall advise them instead!"	[13:35]
mircea_popescu	is this shithead even in the wot ?	[13:36]
thestringpuller	!gettrust !op_null2	[13:36]
assbot	!op_null2 is not registered in WoT.	[13:36]
mircea_popescu	!rate op_null2 -1 go and inherit your father's kingdom already, there's no further reason to stick around down here.	[13:36]
assbot	op_null2 is not registered in WoT.	[13:36]
mircea_popescu	mkay.	[13:36]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372444 lord have mercy.	[13:37]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 09:42:29; op_null2: cazalla: I do lots of things. Like consulting for people when they're making bad decisions	[13:37]
thestringpuller	Everyone wants to be Marcus Lemonis without the portfolio to back it.	[13:37]
thestringpuller	that's actually a good idea for television. when btc businesses start failing and coming to MP for help, film it, and profit.	[13:38]
copypaste	hard to film an IRC log in a manner that would be entertaining to the average TV watcher	[13:39]
copypaste	perhaps it would work with many dramatizations	[13:40]
thestringpuller	you can dramatize it somehow.	[13:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00049472 = 4.9967 BTC [-] {5}	[13:41]
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thestringpuller	mod6: does bitcoin node stop when internet connection goes out?	[13:50]
thestringpuller	i pulled the plug on router and the node just stopped.	[13:50]
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copypaste	depends what you mean by `stopped'	[13:51]
copypaste	did it exit?	[13:51]
thestringpuller	yea it exited when the connect failed	[13:54]
thestringpuller	was expecting it to reconnect.	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	op_null2_ (5f8fc663@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.143.198.99) aka http://www.evilbs.com/otc/?~nulll123@&@static.7.11.9.176.clients.your-server.de aka Dave Leimbrock	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	fu, derp.	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	go advise whoever the shit's too thick to read the logs, whydontcha.	[13:55]
copypaste	thestringpuller: yeah that does seem odd to me, likely a bug. if it was running as a daemon, it shouldn't exit due to an unstable network, at least one would assume	[13:55]
copypaste	i can't recall if i've ever experienced that with the node i run, but i don't think i have as i run it on a quite unstable network	[13:56]
thestringpuller	i was running it with & (backgrond mode)	[13:56]
copypaste	i use http://thebitcoin.foundation/test-builds/v0.5.4/amd64/bitcoin-v0_5_4-TEST2.tar.gz btw.	[13:57]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1LWHUHv )	[13:57]
thestringpuller	yea me too 99997k	[13:57]
thestringpuller	Just wanna get the thing synched and run the version patch and banhammer	[13:57]
jurov	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371272 practice has shown the porsche cayenne (ie. not even a pickup truck) has no problem to tear off and haul away an ATM.	[13:59]
assbot	Logged on 15-01-2016 16:19:27; mircea_popescu: so 300k car. what happens if i attach that 300k car to a street pole and go ful lthrothle in the ist ?	[13:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3470 @ 0.00051022 = 1.7705 BTC [+] {2}	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust s3gfault	[14:00]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user s3gfault: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=s3gfault \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=s3gfault \| Rated since: never	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	;;eauth mircea_popescu	[14:00]
gribble	Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:5ff2755a151d288a9c52727e4d0ce3f0a0646d8d7a23f484fb359c07	[14:01]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	;;rate s3gfault -1 go and inherit your father's kingdom already, there's no further reason to stick around down here.	[14:01]
gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	mmm.	[14:02]
copypaste	What do we all think of https://i.imgur.com/dkbrjPx.gif ?	[14:03]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1n93NeF )	[14:03]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372481 << thanks.	[14:03]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 11:30:16; cazalla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu sorry to read about chetty :	[14:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8142 @ 0.00051023 = 4.1543 BTC [+]	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	copypaste we think that voting is a proved-to-work mechanism, in bitcoin.	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	for anyone that doesn't wish to remember that the march fork was healed over mp saying noncontroversial and wishes to see what happens once mp doesn't say that... proceeding on a "vote" is the smartest move possible.	[14:05]
mircea_popescu	after all the point of life on earth is to find out things.	[14:05]
copypaste	:)	[14:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15471 @ 0.0005046 = 7.8067 BTC [-] {2}	[14:09]
mircea_popescu	the very notion, you know, "we support a code bundle that's not written yet".	[14:09]
mircea_popescu	im sure if you ask these fuckwits they "support" windows.	[14:09]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck does that even mean ?	[14:09]
copypaste	well, now that you put it that way, next to nothing.	[14:10]
mircea_popescu	but hey, for a generation of worthless retards that's in love with a woman they've never met and will live or die depending on whether santa/thegovernment/isis paradrops them food & other supplies as needed... it makes perfect sense.	[14:10]
mircea_popescu	i'm in favour of the imperial house of jormania. hurr durr.	[14:11]
copypaste	i support la serenissima	[14:11]
mircea_popescu	(Ioan Petru Culianu reference, for the curious)	[14:12]
kakobrekla	https://twitter.com/ThePracticalDev/status/687672086152753152	[14:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00050474 = 6.8645 BTC [+] {3}	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	20 is a middling amount of test number.	[14:17]
mircea_popescu	"For all the ways the manufactured crisis around the ClassicCoin hard fork push is made to seem more polished than the XTCoin manufactured crisis, the results of the effort somehow seem still more underwhelming." << word. ten times the effort, a tenth of the result.	[14:18]
mircea_popescu	apparently mining difficulty is not the only thing that went up over the years. submination difficulty also follows.	[14:19]
mats	http://violetblue.tumblr.com/post/44107008572/what-happened-with-my-security-bsides-talk lol	[14:21]
assbot	What happened with my Security BSides talk \| VIOLET BLUE ... ( http://bit.ly/1n95AAe )	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	but i gotta say that's a splendeed piece BingoBoingo	[14:21]
mats	tl;dr presenter with nothing to do re: security, presents at BSides	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	show to be rebranded as "OhMySides", to move on F! tv ?	[14:22]
mats	“Well, there’s been a complaint about your talk.” He continued, “It’s from someone who is a rape survivor and they said they will be triggered by your talk if there’s any rape in it.”	[14:22]
mats	so 'triggered' is a thing now	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	you know, this may actually make a pretty decent show.	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	tie a buncha "rape survivors" etc in a chair and trigger the shit out of them.	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	sort-of like those rollercoaster ride pictures	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	trigger-porn.tumblr.com	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	seems a legitimate enough fetish. "honey... i can only get it up to the sweet music of bitchez gettin' triggered"	[14:25]
mats	if you produce i'll watch it	[14:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00050402 = 4.7882 BTC [-] {2}	[14:27]
mircea_popescu	maybe if twitch produces it. the name seems well fit.	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	"It had been decided months ago that I would give a talk at Security BSides San Francisco. The subject of my talk was up in the air until just before the conference started"	[14:29]
jurov	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372664 lol sexy saffron to rescue!	[14:29]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 16:38:38; thestringpuller: you can dramatize it somehow.	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	see ? same principle.	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	how the fuck this isn't the end of that whole bsides thing is anyone's guess. it's certainly their plain and open intellectual surrender.	[14:30]
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mircea_popescu	"and the organizers were okay with that, but to not inconvenience or surprise the organizers, I decided to present the same talk I had given at Security BSides Las Vegas in 2012."	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	fancy that logic.	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	"Each BSides is a community-driven framework for building events for and by information security community members."	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	no, it ain't.	[14:32]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00051047 = 4.7474 BTC [+] {4}	[14:43]
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mod6	<+thestringpuller> yea it exited when the connect failed << would someone like to test this & log their results so we can put this one to bed? basically should be able to start up bitcoind, run a `ps ax`, `netstat -an` and an `ifconfig`, then a `./bitcoind stop`, then the `ps ax`, `netstat -an` and `ifconfig` again to see whats happening - perhaps even a tail of the last 100 lines of the debug log...	[15:02]
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mod6	so, start up bitcoin, to disconnect your internet connection just do a `ifconfig down`, then see	[15:03]
mod6	to bring the interface back up `ifconfig up`	[15:03]
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phf	apropos, which version is display on lxr? i noticed that it still has GetMyExternalIP logic, with dyndns etc.	[15:08]
ben_vulpes	http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0030 << phf, you can specify patches for lxr thusly	[15:10]
assbot	Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1kYPR4M )	[15:10]
phf	aah, thanks	[15:11]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: for the gentoo novice, what are the major de-poetteringizing flags to be aware of and set?	[15:11]
ben_vulpes	!up noobsRus	[15:14]
*	assbot gives voice to noobsRus	[15:14]
ben_vulpes	"because the city decided that on-street auto parking directly in front of the stores was more important than all-ages bike access to the future of those districts." << heh, andersen with the subtle shiv	[15:15]
noobsRus	hi all, been following along in b-a logs for a few months now. first would like to say thanks to all for bringing some clarity to the bigblocksforking nonsense that started last year	[15:16]
ben_vulpes	welcome noobsRus, no thanks necessary	[15:17]
mod6	<+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371963 << looks good to me ? << hey, thanks for taking a look!	[15:17]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 04:46:01; mod6: http://dpaste.com/3EXKA4D.txt	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	!up noobsRus	[15:17]
-assbot-	You voiced noobsRus for another 30 minutes.	[15:17]
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ben_vulpes	regardless of what the merchants want, tight on-street parking is both the prime indicator that and a core driver for a neighborhood being worth going to and living in. merchant complaints entirely aside (what do they know, they've forgotten the import of "foot traffic" and "location location location"), sacrificing car parking for bike access is the utter best way to get more people trafficing past your dumb shop.	[15:18]
noobsRus	i appreciate the work you do maintaining a narrative grounded in reality. with the latest hearn stunt i felt i should perhaps explore ways i might assist	[15:18]
ben_vulpes	who are you though	[15:18]
ben_vulpes	!gettrust noobsRus	[15:18]
assbot	noobsRus is not registered in WoT.	[15:18]
ben_vulpes	lotta new faces this past week.	[15:19]
mod6	<+punkman> for mod6 https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5713/files << the one that i've been looking at is this one: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.9.3/src/key.cpp#L202-L227	[15:19]
assbot	Implement BIP66 by sipa · Pull Request #5713 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UWwJRu )	[15:19]
assbot	bitcoin/key.cpp at v0.9.3 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PxUUSi )	[15:19]
mod6	i basically dropped that code into the Sign() { } function in key.h and am just looking at that atm...	[15:20]
phf	ben_vulpes: portland seems to have pretty low car concentration (compared dc area or even philly), i'm surprised that this is anything but an abstract "bikes vs. cars" bickering	[15:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3203 @ 0.00050402 = 1.6144 BTC [-] {2}	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	http://www.secureworks.com/cyber-threat-intelligence/threats/bgp-hijacking-for-cryptocurrency-profit/ << somewhat old but i dun recall it being in the log.	[15:21]
assbot	BGP Hijacking for Cryptocurrency Profit \| Dell SecureWorks ... ( http://bit.ly/1PxV5No )	[15:21]
mod6	looks like BIP 66 diffs reflect a bunch of der sig checking	[15:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3397 @ 0.00050255 = 1.7072 BTC [-] {2}	[15:22]
noobsRus	a nobody with meager holdings who understands (i think) the gravity of the situation. i would very much like for bitcoin to remain as is (decentralized, incorruptible) and the recently amplified USG-SV social engineering has been somewhat disconcerting	[15:23]
noobsRus	yes, i will look into the WoT too, once i figure out how to pgp correctly	[15:23]
noobsRus	or is it gpg	[15:23]
noobsRus	see, noob	[15:23]
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mircea_popescu	oh i see.	[15:24]
noobsRus	anyways... i have one question at the moment that perhaps someone can answer	[15:25]
ben_vulpes	phf: it's not "low car concentration" it's high people concentration. the concentration of cars in an area is nigh-meaningless given that a car takes up > 8 m^2 of space for typically one user, and this imposes a hard upper bound on a) the number of cars in a space and b) the number of people you can cram into a space.	[15:25]
noobsRus	is there any value in maintaining a true narrative across reddit/twitter/hackernews/etc.?	[15:25]
copypaste	gpg is an implementation of pgp. they are not interchangeable.	[15:25]
ben_vulpes	noobsRus: nobody gices a fuck about r/t/hn	[15:25]
copypaste	those sites have no value, so there is no value in doing anything with them.	[15:25]
noobsRus	that's a relief then	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	noobsRus there's no unified value function. if you figure it's worth your time, by all means.	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	few people here do, but then again that's not necessarily dispositive.	[15:27]
jurov	community-driven framework for collecting quotes (aka bash) updated.	[15:27]
ben_vulpes	phf: there aren't really "car people" in town. the closest thing is the various merchant groups owners all live in the suburbs and operate a variant of the quiznos/arbys/starbucks franchise, and so want 'moar parking!', because that's all they understand.	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	did you approve any quotes still up in the air jurov ?	[15:27]
jurov	i did not see any quotes in the air	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes well in fairness, you don't tend to take the lady to arby's for your aniversary, so their +ev move is to push you out of town.	[15:28]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: ofc	[15:28]
ben_vulpes	nevertheless this is my town, and more parking is not what i want.	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	damned hipsters and their gentrifying ways...	[15:29]
copypaste	quiznos? what a terrible franchise	[15:29]
copypaste	definitely the worst in murrika	[15:29]
noobsRus	thanks, fair enough. i've seen the efforts of brg44 and others in redditland and feel guilty being the indirect beneficiary of their work (via meager holdings) without contributing myself	[15:30]
ben_vulpes	parking is for megacorps who can afford to waste the space in that way. generally supermarkets which are dying anyways.	[15:30]
copypaste	"brg44" is not in my WoT.	[15:30]
ben_vulpes	but no, reseller of pink plastic chinese crap, you do not get more parking just for the asking.	[15:30]
noobsRus	it's clear that on those channels the battle is uphill, every week it seems like SV/USG/whoever rolled out another 50 sockpuppets to shill/brigade/confuse	[15:30]
ben_vulpes	noobsRus: NOBODY CARES	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	noobsRus once went to the dojo and asked the master "hey, i'm new, and i was considering practicing karate, because i've seen others doing it and i feel bad about not contributing to the welfare of this discipline".	[15:31]
copypaste	noobsRus: please shut up, no one cares about your internet wars on reddit or whatever	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	that's nice, but really	[15:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00051072 = 5.1583 BTC [+] {2}	[15:31]
copypaste	nothing done there matters	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes you realise that i've never in my adult life gone anywhere on a bike, nor would i ever go anywhere if i had to go by bike ?	[15:32]
ben_vulpes	this particular thread is old yes	[15:33]
ben_vulpes	your oddball habits don't really bear on cascadian city planning problems.	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	of course...i suppose if it comes to it i could just ride.	[15:34]
ben_vulpes	no dirigible parking anyways.	[15:34]
ben_vulpes	call a car, it's what i do	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	i would guess stables and all that takes just about as much space as parking does.	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	no i meant a horse.	[15:34]
ben_vulpes	i don't fucking /park/ them, that's for damn sure.	[15:34]
ben_vulpes	sure, nobody'd blink.	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	what if everyone in cascadia had to ride wherever they were going. you know, just like a century ago around there	[15:34]
noobsRus	copypaste ben_vulpes happy to hear that (that no one cares). was hoping to confirm this. will continue to enjoy the show then. won't waste anymore of your time now	[15:35]
ben_vulpes	it's going to end up that way, mircea_popescu.	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	possibru.	[15:35]
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mircea_popescu	grass still grows, whether on top of oil or bare rock.	[15:35]
ben_vulpes	no more megabuxx for interstate	[15:35]
copypaste	noobsRus: required reading https://archive.is/http://trilema.com/2015/heres-who-doesnt-belong-in-bitcoin-you/	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	sure. roads have throughout the history of states been the largest expense.	[15:35]
assbot	http://trilema.com/2015/heres-who-doesnt-belong-in-bitcoin-you/: Here's who doesn't belong in Bitcoin : you. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PxVXSi )	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	horse still needs roads.	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	copypaste dude whay the haet!	[15:36]
copypaste	oh, he left already. goodbye.	[15:36]
ben_vulpes	no more megabuxx for fixing all the damage cars do to the entirely serviceable tarmac designed originally for bikes	[15:36]
*	ben_vulpes would be entirely happy with horses and trams	[15:36]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372530 << the Bible is all about God causing His people to scatter; Christ wondered aloud if any would still believe when He returns	[15:36]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 14:16:09; mircea_popescu: it's complicated. for the true believer (not everyone who reads the books gives a shit, you realise, though many do) faith is a major factor, as measured in two things : uniques (on the theory that hey, god wouldn't allow the flock to scatter) and miracles (on the theory that nature is a whore, and whoever she picks is king).	[15:36]
ben_vulpes	heck, that's how the city was set up pre-interstate	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[15:37]
copypaste	mircea_popescu: i started to understand things better when confronted with the truth rudely, not nicely in a sugar coated way	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	i guess there's that.	[15:37]
copypaste	some derp derping about how the opinions of reddit matter and how we should sway opinion this way or that	[15:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12845 @ 0.00050255 = 6.4553 BTC [-] {2}	[15:37]
copypaste	is so far out of tune with reality, there's no way to -nicely- talk him into sense	[15:37]
ben_vulpes	after all the noise in the logs from last night i certainly have no more patience for it.	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	lol take it easier mah dear activists, there's need of educators also, as that femininemagic chick pointed out :D	[15:38]
ben_vulpes	just because i'm not complaining about the moronic voicings in real time doesn't mean i'm not getting annoyed reading the logs elsewhere.	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	earlier was pretty brutal lol.	[15:38]
ben_vulpes	ive nfi what bb and pete were thinking	[15:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00050255 = 7.5383 BTC [-]	[15:39]
ben_vulpes	unrelatedly, is it more difficult to malleate to low-s from high-s?	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	nope	[15:40]
adlai	copypaste: fwiw, last time somebody said reddit nonsense to me i just told them "sounds like you've been spending too much time on reddit." and it turned out dude had enough sense to agree	[15:40]
ben_vulpes	so then why are we engaged in this exercise at all? some future derp will just flip out over the bit being flipped in the opposite direction.	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	because we live in the world rather than in the crystalline tower of pure thought that by rights should have been our inheritance ?	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	somethinglikethat anyway	[15:41]
*	adlai is not in favor of moronic voicings, villages have room for many idiots but courts need precious few jesters	[15:41]
thestringpuller	adlai: i've been saying the same thing to redditors, and they usually flip their shit.	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	"What I’m doing with my life Currently working at Starbucks, but hopefully moving on to bigger and better things soon."	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	in case you were wondering what that is - probably reddit.	[15:42]
copypaste	OKCupid i figure	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	the "bigger and better" part i meant.	[15:42]
ben_vulpes	https://gcaptain.com/2016/01/14/u-s-navys-new-fast-transport-ships-cant-stand-buffeting-from-high-seas/ << heh	[15:42]
assbot	U.S. Navy’s New Fast Transport Ships Can’t Stand Buffeting From High Seas - gCaptain ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRcGDr )	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	won't the humiliations ever cease!	[15:43]
BingoBoingo	... << yeah, yeah, funny-haha. or in chinese, "我們將埋葬你們！" << Just because it wins doesn't mean it can't still earn a chuckle.	[15:43]
thestringpuller	mod6: one second	[15:43]
adlai	thestringpuller: this was said outside of reddit, to somebody who mods a large sub; he already respected my opinion on matters btc, and i respect his on matters of his expertise, so it went over alright	[15:43]
thestringpuller	adlai: same. but most of these people are pure-socialists, "the everyone is equal" sorta deal.	[15:44]
adlai	all this talk of reddit made me check see whether it still existed... now i'm overrun with PM spam about some crappy method of hedging against btc failure	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	something to do with eth ?	[15:45]
thestringpuller	ethereum scammers herp derp	[15:45]
thestringpuller	hmm	[15:45]
copypaste	yes, i got that too adlai	[15:45]
copypaste	"bitcoin is doomed to fail due to block size. luckily vitalik buterin is totally cool and stuff so buy eth now" or something of that nature.	[15:46]
*	adlai notes that this alt does pass the "original codebase, distinct bugs from btc" qualification... but is not qualified to compare it to other hedges (ping fluffypony ?)	[15:47]
*	fluffypony has been pinged	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	lol	[15:47]
adlai	at least monero doesn't have the implementation plurality braindamage	[15:47]
fluffypony	adlai: I've also been receiving those Ethereum spam messages	[15:47]
fluffypony	frikkin annoying	[15:47]
jurov	!s monero fork	[15:48]
assbot	4 results for 'monero fork' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=monero+fork	[15:48]
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jurov	not quite a implementation plurality	[15:48]
jurov	*an	[15:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00051073 = 6.8438 BTC [+]	[15:48]
adlai	fluffypony: let's say btc fails and monero by some accident becomes The Blockchain. do you think the biannual hardfork policy would remain?	[15:49]
fluffypony	adlai: we'll probably move to annual later on, but yes	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	sure. the first year, two	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	the next year, four.	[15:49]
copypaste	what happens if you just do nothing? you lost all your moneroj?	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	and so on	[15:49]
fluffypony	copypaste: how would that work	[15:49]
copypaste	i don't know, i'm asking you	[15:49]
fluffypony	that's physically impossible	[15:50]
fluffypony	or improbable	[15:50]
adlai	fluffypony: might want to discuss this amongst yourselves... being promoted to capital B status might be grounds for its cancellation	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	more properly put : what happens if someone actually takes monero seriously, and decides to disallow your future forks.	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	people keep loving this idea where they can "change" things. unless money follows you can't change jack.	[15:50]
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mircea_popescu	!up ascii_shmoocon	[15:51]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_shmoocon for 30 minutes.	[15:51]
*	assbot gives voice to ascii_shmoocon	[15:51]
*	adlai does think there's tangible value in a blockchain that's ready to be capitalized, even if Bitcoin never actually does fail	[15:51]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: they're welcome to want whatever they'd like, and we're welcome to disregard their "feelings"	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[15:51]
adlai	"hard fork whenever we feel like it, forever" = unready for capital-B-ization	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	and so if somehow monero became the one, it would simply be the one.	[15:51]
mats	i had a chance to scoop a shmoocon ticket	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	because there can only be one.	[15:51]
phf	ascii_shmoocon: oh god damn, i missed it again.	[15:51]
*	fluffypony tries to find the Highlander theme song	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	dun dun dun.	[15:51]
ascii_shmoocon	lulzy cryptocrackpottery talk	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	anyway. forks are utterly not at the disposition of any mortal. and there's no lesser mortal than a dev.	[15:52]
ascii_shmoocon	'algebraic eraser'	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	so in the end, what any dev group thinks on the timing of forks is of interest to pretty much their biographers.	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	ascii_shmoocon any hot chicks ?	[15:53]
adlai	ascii_shmoocon: hey now, you yourself said http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-12-2015#1357489	[15:53]
ascii_shmoocon	$firm bought me a ticket, so i pinched nose & went	[15:53]
assbot	Logged on 31-12-2015 19:02:48; ascii_rear: adlai: this thread is good sober adlai	[15:53]
fluffypony	let's be fair, though, the chances of Monero ever becoming the largest cryptocurrency is about the same as the chances of mircea_popescu secretly being a woman all along	[15:53]
ascii_shmoocon	mircea_popescu: 2 'trans' for every biochik	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony yeah but this is the spawning ground of long tail events. the chances of the us ever mattering were about the same as argentina's.	[15:54]
adlai	given that you're limited by the chances of Bitcoin failing... "that's not saying much"	[15:54]
phf	anyone got kicked out for dongle jokes yet?or we past that point?	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	ascii_shmoocon you gotta be kidding me ?!	[15:54]
ascii_shmoocon	holy shit everything mircea ever said was true	[15:54]
mats	lol	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	who knew the geeks were going to take their "go to the prom with their friend dressed as a woman" to its logical conclusion.	[15:55]
ascii_shmoocon	I've never seen so many lamerz in one place	[15:55]
fluffypony	http://geekologie.com/2016/01/only-five-filipino-man-sets-new-record-f.php	[15:55]
assbot	Only Five?!: Filipino Man Sets New Record For Most Candles Extinguished With Farts \| Geekologie ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRdvw5 )	[15:55]
copypaste	fluffypony: http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/	[15:55]
assbot	The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsGWG5 )	[15:55]
copypaste	as mircea told you, there can only be one	[15:55]
mats	hard charger, this guy	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	isn't he.	[15:56]
ascii_shmoocon	and usg recruiting tables, dozens	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	any hot chicks there ?	[15:56]
ascii_shmoocon	few	[15:56]
fluffypony	copypaste: b) applies to Monero, and has applied to Monero for the past 20 months, so there's that	[15:56]
ascii_shmoocon	and maybe 1 in 30 attendees ever menstruated	[15:56]
mats	lol	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	in fairness fluffypony always drove it as a research interest.	[15:57]
mats	the numbers become more dramatic with each retelling	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	ascii_shmoocon mention of menstruation triggers me.	[15:57]
fluffypony	#TRIGGERWARNING	[15:57]
fluffypony	:-P	[15:57]
ascii_shmoocon	folks are drrrinkin' whisky	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	i suppose i should confess i read "nigger tagging" and did a doubletake	[15:58]
thestringpuller	fluffypony: is too african to be racist.	[15:58]
phf	ben_vulpes: what i meant is that in a city like new york or sf where everything's covered in cars at saturation, fighting over areas in front of shops seems like a meaningful endeavor, but portland?	[15:58]
fluffypony	thestringpuller: exactly, only white Europeans are racist	[15:59]
thestringpuller	http://shmoocon.org/speakers/#titansattack << lol you can hack big data now?	[16:02]
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mod6	pwnd	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	phf cars drive the first case of power laws observed in day to day life. people manage to generate traffic in 1k inhabitant townlets.	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	because obviously everyone must at the same time.	[16:03]
mod6	when i drive, i sound like i have tourettes im sure.	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	lol	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	you shyould see these derps. half of the half that even bothers to signal, signals wrongly.	[16:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7357 @ 0.00050978 = 3.7505 BTC [-]	[16:07]
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jurov	roflmao "women are waking up with yawn, men with erection. this can't be coincidence!"	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	haha	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	un-fun fact : too much oral sex is actualy damaging to the penis.	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	(saliva is a digestive juice. you can end up with a pretty miserably upset skin.)	[16:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00051122 = 1.1247 BTC [+] {2}	[16:30]
ben_vulpes	phf: and in those cities the cars park for 4+ hours and the trucks doing actual work double park next to them	[16:32]
ben_vulpes	cars are an insane deployment of capital and parking an insane deployment of re	[16:33]
thestringpuller	;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/15BH3ES.txt	[16:34]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	cars are fine, just, a society where income disparity is less than 100x makes a mess of them.	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	make the average derp earn 10 cents an hour, make a car 5k and all is well.	[16:34]
jurov	cars won't be made at all	[16:38]
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mircea_popescu	you think ?	[16:39]
jurov	yes i do	[16:40]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00051135 = 1.2272 BTC [+] {2}	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	whyssat ?	[16:41]
jurov	how would a tiny group of people cover the costs for mining and roads with smooth surface necessary?	[16:43]
punkman	small car-factory is not that expensive, it's not cpu fab	[16:43]
jurov	it would struck them as deeply uneconomical and they'd just revert to horses	[16:43]
jurov	punkman: because raw materials are mass mined and manufactured	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	what's size got to do with anything ?	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	the original buyers of cars weren't the 150mn derps, but the 15k people with means.	[16:44]
jurov	would they want to split the fixed costs?	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	this pretense whereby "everyone is equal" covers the very abrupt distribution curve where 99% owns jack shit and 1% has no fucking idea what to do with the world. needs to be flattened out.	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	and that flattening begins with "fuck you, salaries between 20k and 100k. how about from 120 to 12k a year instead"	[16:46]
jurov	no political bickering will change the fact that engineering has huge fixed costs that are best split to as many chumps as possible	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	not so.	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	headcount only matters in socialism.	[16:47]
jurov	you could have had a computer in fucking victorian britain. no one wanted to pay the fixed cost for the 1st item.	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	stop making the chumps have money they can't earn, problem goes awaqy	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	bullshit.	[16:47]
jurov	why babbage machine was not doen then?	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	in victorian britain people were more than willing to pay the fixed costs for parties in excess of the sustenance needed by one lancastershire neighbourhood.	[16:48]
jurov	irrelevent	[16:48]
jurov	*irrelevant	[16:48]
jurov	so they wanted to party, not pay for technology. and this changed how?	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	so they'd pay for ice scuplutrs enogh to buy the same weight in poor mill girls,	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	but they won't pay it for a car because... reasons.	[16:49]
jurov	the 15k people with means will pay for a computer or a car only if they foresee a possibility to recoup it from the chumps later	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	heck, maybe they won't. in which case they prolly have a good reason.	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	hah this is exactly not how it works.	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	i dunno why you think the world is chump-backed. it ain't. usg is, sure, but whatevs.	[16:51]
jurov	i am just explaining it to you, ooks like we miss each other	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	yeh.	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	no explicitly shared priors. what do we agree on ?	[16:52]
jurov	you think that fixed engineering costs for new technology does not exist or what?	[16:52]
jurov	moreover if it exists, you expound that 15k of people with means are interested to pay it themselves?	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	why not ?	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	or moreover : what do you think is structurally differfent between 15k and 15mn ?	[16:53]
shinohai	https://twitter.com/hashbreaker/status/683653768358019072 "I like tor for all mah regular web browsing"	[16:53]
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mircea_popescu	the only difference i can see (that with selected 15k you can actually communicate, whereas the 15mn you can only herd, which is why copywriting instead of literature, pr instead of logic etc) argues against your position.	[16:54]
jurov	structural difference is that it's marginally easier to mine and smelt quality steel for 15mn than 15k.	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	not relevantly so. newton's laboratory had fixed costs, just like alf's laboratory does. guess who pays those fixed costs ?	[16:54]
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mircea_popescu	let's not voice him :D	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	!up ascii_shmoocon	[16:56]
jurov	you do. and you don't want to sell 15m cardanos, instead of 15k?	[16:56]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_shmoocon for 30 minutes.	[16:56]
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mircea_popescu	that'll be 15k alfie!	[16:56]
ascii_shmoocon	l0lwut	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	jurov uh hardly, i don';t. he does. like newton did.	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	and i don't give a shit how many cardanos get sold. what interests me is for them to be good.	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	guess whether the 15k or the 15mn model promotes this view.	[16:57]
ascii_shmoocon	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372997 << if not for 100 years of chump, we'd have to make it all from horse	[16:58]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 19:49:41; mircea_popescu: i dunno why you think the world is chump-backed. it ain't. usg is, sure, but whatevs.	[16:58]
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mircea_popescu	like hell.	[16:58]
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ascii_shmoocon	semiconductor is inherently mass	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	the only thing the FIFTY years of chump did was take a shit on everything else.	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	some fields somewhat survived a decade or so after world chumpification.	[16:59]
ascii_shmoocon	wish it weren't so	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	nothing "inherent" exists in this world.	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	and note that you're basing your mind on an idiotic "1 person = 1 computer" view.	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	nonsense. between selling 8mn crapples to 15mn cows and selling 1.5mn actual computers to 15k actual people, the latter prevails.	[17:00]
jurov	eh mircea_popescu, go grow si monocrystals and wash the wafers in hf yourself	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	note that the average cpu/capita value of the world in general is sub .5, whereas in your house is over 10	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	jurov no, the shitheads now on reddit, soon to make 10 cents an hour will do it.	[17:00]
jurov	hahaha you think shitheads are capable of following strict technological process?	[17:01]
jurov	in cleanroom with hf?	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	have some faith in humanity.	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	but yes, the chinese gurlz prove they can, and do just fine. and so do the mill girls of 19th century, for that matter.	[17:02]
jurov	ascii_shmoocon: looky now who is throwing rivers of meat on the problem	[17:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00051145 = 3.6569 BTC [+] {2}	[17:02]
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jurov	1. it ain't ferite core weaving 2. the gals doing that were paid very well	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	so good for them, pay them well.	[17:03]
phf	i thought cpus were mostly built in u.s. and japan? hence the whole fukushima supply line disruption	[17:03]
ben_vulpes	those were hdds	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, random "washing silicone" reference for no discernible reason.	[17:05]
ben_vulpes	aaand that was actually indonesia, so i'm probably thinking about the wrong thing.	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	as if that's what decides things or w/e.	[17:05]
jurov	yes. mircea decides that washing silicon or eulora art ought to be done for $.1 per hour and universe obliges	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	how DID you think price formation works ?	[17:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17181 @ 0.00051094 = 8.7785 BTC [-]	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	"oh, i got better opportunities elsewhere" "working on fixing tyhat" "i'd rather sit on reddit than work for a fair rate NO MATTER WHAT" "i guess we put a reddit lcd on your tombstone then".	[17:08]
jurov	i see, all my previous notions of price formation are now worthless anyway	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	for my curiosity, how much do you figure that chick was worth ?	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	the one valuing her ugly ass at $5`000.00	[17:09]
jurov	you know how much chinese, or even north korean chix already get, it's more than 0.1/hr	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	a) not looking like that. b) we can't really discuss absolute numbers seriously. there's no basis. i was just illustrating proportions.	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	when a butt-ugly wench that should be thankful if she ever gets laid for free imagines herself above what kim kardashian / the very peak of her profession actually make, it's indisputable the self-valuation ran amok.	[17:12]
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mircea_popescu	!up ascii_shmoocon	[17:12]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_shmoocon for 30 minutes.	[17:12]
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jurov	okay back to the proportion. why don't you pay to build the atomic dirigible, for the 15k with means?	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	the 15k don't currently exist.	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	review the discussion of buffett's fraudulent pretenses as to "the low tax".	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	currently the wealth curve is very zipf-skewed, which is a serious problem.	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	it must be flattened, is what i said before.	[17:13]
ascii_shmoocon	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373047 << as it is, just ~my~ tax blood supports 3-4 of'em	[17:14]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 20:06:27; mircea_popescu: "oh, i got better opportunities elsewhere" "working on fixing tyhat" "i'd rather sit on reddit than work for a fair rate NO MATTER WHAT" "i guess we put a reddit lcd on your tombstone then".	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	and the path to flattening it is ruining the "wealthy" and trampling the "people".	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	the two go hand in hand. selling obama's daughters at public auction where gaddafi's palace used to stand is just half the story.	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	humiliating all the "world saving" derps is into proper uranium mines is the other half.	[17:15]
jurov	but then the end situation is not 15k with means but one ruler and subjects	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	not in the slightest.	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	instead of today's arrangement where you can fit the nominal owners of the world in a fucking room, whereas every fucktard worth ~0 out there derps about how "black lives matter" as if obviously his did,	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	you get something closer to a linear distribution.	[17:16]
ascii_shmoocon	and there is already a lizard caste, may even number 15k...	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	where you can get 1% of the world's wealth in a room, but if you want 10% you need a small city. etc	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	ascii_shmoocon no, because none of them can actually do anything.	[17:17]
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mircea_popescu	they're ~= to the french "nobles" at versailles. circus act.	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	replace the courtiers with march lords ftw.	[17:18]
ascii_shmoocon	what, exactly, can't they do ?	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	wire ten dollars to isis.	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	arrest a judge.	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	say "nigger".	[17:18]
jurov	and how do you propose to have 15k independently wealthy? dependency is better strategy	[17:18]
ascii_shmoocon	ted turner could	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	jurov dependency is a miserable strategy.	[17:18]
jurov	says owner of most of our bitcoins	[17:19]
ascii_shmoocon	l0lz	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	how teh f do you depend on me ?!	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	for one thing, i've been spending so much effort trying to prevent exactly that sort of thing it's nigh on taxing friendship.	[17:19]
jurov	i have stash locked in S.NSA	[17:19]
jurov	for example	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	how's that make me the owner ?!	[17:19]
jurov	can i haz it tomorrow?	[17:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2867 @ 0.00051094 = 1.4649 BTC [-]	[17:20]
jurov	there are not enough bids	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	for one thing i'm a fucking minority partner in that venture!	[17:20]
jurov	who has the coins then?	[17:20]
jurov	the private keys?	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	in that sense i suppose.	[17:21]
jurov	hence, dependency	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	i dun see it, honestly, but hey.	[17:21]
ascii_shmoocon	fact is, decentralization is a fantasy	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	psshhhh	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	next you're going to say love is a fantasy, and so is liberty, and then ima say knowledge is a fantasy and you'll what, agree ?	[17:22]
ascii_shmoocon	every single one of us is on a cpu made in 1 of 3 places.	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	this "made" bs. every woman i eve rfucked was made by a woman i wouldn't have fucked.	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	what of it ? i still own them.	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	and use them happily.	[17:22]
ascii_shmoocon	not how cpu works, woman rules do not apply.	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	phhh.	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	!s cunt perl	[17:23]
assbot	3 results for 'cunt perl' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cunt+perl	[17:23]
ascii_shmoocon	another legendarily terrible example	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	the degree computing "science" degraded, a woman's a much better model for a computer than any sort of nonsense that sterile homosexual turing came up with !!11	[17:24]
ascii_shmoocon	didja ever read yossi kreinin's piece 'computers you can't program ' ?	[17:25]
ascii_shmoocon	related.	[17:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17373 @ 0.00051426 = 8.9342 BTC [+] {6}	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	perhaps not.	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	jurov there's whatever, 50k at 10 under par and 200k more at 50%. how much did you sell or what exactly are you discussing here ? where's your sell bids at ?	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	;;google yosefk.com "computers you can't program"	[17:27]
gribble	Do you really want to be making this much money when you're 50?: ; The "high-level CPU" challenge - Yossi Kreinin: ; Why programming isn't for everyone - Yossi Kreinin:	[17:27]
ascii_shmoocon	also wtf, you can't have a planet with 15 much less 15k mp's	[17:27]
jurov	100000 @ 0.00011000	[17:27]
jurov	and 200`000 @ 0.00029000 but i don't expect that one to be hit any soon	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	jurov yes well, generallty the way investing works is that you can either fix the margin or the timescale.	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	this has nothing to do with me.	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	ascii_shmoocon i do not see why not.	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	other than, of course, "easier to be lazy and there's welfare anyway".	[17:28]
jurov	how do i fix the timescale? by abducting ascii_shmoocon to north korea?	[17:28]
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mircea_popescu	!up christophe	[17:28]
-assbot-	You voiced christophe for 30 minutes.	[17:28]
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ascii_shmoocon	nature doesn't make'em often and they tend to kill one another..	[17:29]
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mircea_popescu	jurov if you want now, the offer is -11%. if you want +10%, you'll have to wait and see.	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	ascii_shmoocon da fuck, i only killed idiots to date.	[17:29]
ascii_shmoocon	that's 'cause nature doesn't make often	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	but hey, if you have some way to speed up alfie i'm all ears :D	[17:30]
jurov	i can sell 100k or 200k shares at 0.000089? where?	[17:30]
ascii_shmoocon	lol ditto	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	i see 50`000 0.00008888 ?	[17:30]
ascii_shmoocon	actually it is very easy but expensive sadly	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	ascii_shmoocon i'm pretty firmly dedicated to having spectacular sex with any and all mps. why kill each other ?!	[17:31]
ascii_shmoocon	i meant speedup	[17:31]
*	BingoBoingo wasted too much of my life reading a piece by Simon Edhouse of David Thorne fame. Copholarchaeologist can find it themselves	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	i gather'd.	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo lol was it all plaintive ?	[17:32]
BingoBoingo	You can find it yourself.	[17:32]
BingoBoingo	I just want to mention it exists.	[17:33]
ascii_shmoocon	and holyfuq are these talks snorefest	[17:33]
BingoBoingo	I'm already trying to unlearn it as best as I can without relapsing	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	anyway, to get back to things : 1. a thriving middle class means very strictly, ruined-usg-everything as well as scandalously oppressed orcs. this is what it means, this is what'll happen because middle class is not negotiable.	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	2. decentralized world, and powers of varying magnitudes coexisting productively is an ~ecological~ problem. of exactly the nature of "don't shit in the soup bowl".	[17:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5456 @ 0.00051094 = 2.7877 BTC [-]	[17:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.NSA] 51000 @ 0.00008888 = 4.5329 BTC [-] {2}	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	inept whining to the degree that "people might, and how do we know they won't" and etc are not germane. that's why there's the wot and fore that matter when's the last time you ate soup with a turd in it ?	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	and maybe there's a 3.	[17:36]
ascii_shmoocon	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373053 << i've yet to meet anybody who was ready to be revalued 'as worth'	[17:37]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 20:10:40; mircea_popescu: when a butt-ugly wench that should be thankful if she ever gets laid for free imagines herself above what kim kardashian / the very peak of her profession actually make, it's indisputable the self-valuation ran amok.	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	and i've yet to meet anyone in an airplane crash who was ready to fly.	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[17:38]
jurov	how is my relationship with s.nsa "coexisting productively" ? i can either negrate alf, or cause price to plummet yet further	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	plane's going down.	[17:38]
ascii_shmoocon	in fact there is a reason this is a recurrent motif in afterlife myths!!	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	jurov why is either of these not productive ?	[17:38]
jurov	and the coins aren't going to be used prioductively anytime soon	[17:38]
jurov	what is the product?	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	well as described in monthly letters, all sorts of things	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	admittedly yet vague and far from very usable.	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	and im not sure what is a more productive use of bitcoin than holding on to it, but ymmv.	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	from experience, few beat that strategy yet.	[17:40]
ascii_shmoocon	i often wish that we had not taken in the coinS	[17:41]
jurov	is "holding coins" in the s.nsa contract?	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	eh, trade'll slowly unwind.	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	jurov well company sells shares, until it puts them to some use it holds on to them. what else can you do ?	[17:41]
ascii_shmoocon	(the pot is almost uselessly small)	[17:41]
jurov	so, i'm dependent on it in any practical way	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	in the sense that it doesn't buy a si fab or what ?	[17:42]
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mircea_popescu	jurov dependency and investment are orthogonal concerns.	[17:42]
adlai	!up ascii_shmoocon	[17:42]
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mircea_popescu	sez so right in the merchant of venice!	[17:42]
ascii_shmoocon	not only no si fab	[17:43]
ascii_shmoocon	but would not even feed me for a whole year, if it came to it	[17:43]
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ascii_shmoocon	not even half	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	why would it feed you ?!	[17:44]
ascii_shmoocon	if there were 1000x moar of it, you would still barf at the idea?	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	yes ?	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	who eats off capital for crying out loud.	[17:45]
ascii_shmoocon	everyone but me?	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	nuts.	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	do you eat your car ? your horse ?	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	capital you save with your life.	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	you eat off its product.	[17:46]
ascii_shmoocon	time is also capital	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	there's no merchants left in thsi world are there. whole fucking raft of culture and its knowledges, gone from the world.	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	it is not capital until you add it to capital!	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	by buying shares or capital goods or whatever.	[17:47]
ascii_shmoocon	as it is, snsa is somethng i do on the train to and from 8h of garbage	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	and from the looks of it investors are starting to have had enough, eh.	[17:47]
phf	"raise capital to pay developers"	[17:48]
ascii_shmoocon	possibly i'll have to reach into sofa cushion and give the coinz back	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	ascii_shmoocon what coins ?	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	speaking of which, is phuctor back online ? it'd have been a very convenient answer for me to give a few lines above.	[17:49]
ascii_shmoocon	what we spent- ~15? to date	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	i dun think you understand how accounting works lol.	[17:50]
ascii_shmoocon	mno, blew last weekend on the tx crapola	[17:50]
ascii_shmoocon	no phuctor yet	[17:50]
jurov	well the situaiton is that "person who will handle the operational, research and technical aspects of the venture" does it in his own time and own money anyway and whole s.nsa is scarcely needed	[17:50]
jurov	or am i wrong?	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	you are wrong in the part where you presume to decide whether what other people do is needed or not.	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	you're also wrong in imagining that anyone does anything other than in their own time.	[17:51]
jurov	lol i comment, not decide	[17:51]
ascii_shmoocon	jurov if you need it, you can buy me as well as anybody	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	you'll notice that while it took a very long time, s.nsa did not spend a lot of money.	[17:52]
ascii_shmoocon	but i don't expect anybody to	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	you're more than welcome to prefer a different time/money ratio, and even start a competitor.	[17:52]
jurov	except you would not accept any money cuz you don't want to pay taxes etc.	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	heck, i'd even list it, i dun see the problem.	[17:52]
jurov	what is the ratio?	[17:52]
ascii_shmoocon	the investors spoke at ipo	[17:52]
jurov	atm?	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	so far, ~15 btc and ~2 years.	[17:52]
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mircea_popescu	there's a lengthy list of various fiat-based stuff that tried the "low time, high money" approach. they all failed and had to be rolled up in ever-larger failed ventures, usg style.	[17:53]
jurov	oh, i am already doing it as foundation treasurer it has much better ratio :D	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	so i don't terribly favouring the "quickly! spend!" approach. but that's just me.	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	what's the hurry anywaqy, the republic has infinite times.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	jurov did the foundation ever spend anything, i forget.	[17:54]
ascii_shmoocon	but yes, it could easily happen 10x faster, and i'd be lying if i said that I didn't know how...	[17:54]
ascii_shmoocon	that's all	[17:54]
ascii_shmoocon	bbl	[17:54]
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jurov	how much $$$ you need monthly?	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	ascii_shmoocon you'd also be lying if you didn't say you specifically hate it.	[17:55]
BingoBoingo	It seems that the answer to the S.NSA problems is getting alf food stamps and section 8 housing.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	jurov lettuce not be naive. the alternatives here aren't the alternatives we perceive we would prefer. it's either he's a free man and does it as such, or else he's a peon like al schwatz describes in that very well written piece.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	i dun happen to want to run yet another of those ventures, myself. but others do, and i'm sure if you're one of them you can go open an office in sf, hire head hunters and proceed apace.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	and if alf specifically won't show up in the employment line, an exactly fungible equivalent surely will.	[17:56]
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BingoBoingo	Methoxsalen might help with section 8	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo except he doesn't seem to want them ; and besides, what confidence does a bum inspire to be a chief engineer ?	[17:58]
*	adlai wonders whether the problem is "investors have come to expect", reminiscent of: "if this is not what you have come to expect, please adjust your expectations"	[17:59]
BingoBoingo	Aha, this really gets to the meat of the problem. Impatience with fiat not dying fast enough for any of us to buy Nevada on a whim yet.	[17:59]
ben_vulpes	foundation spend << not to date	[17:59]
jurov	mircea_popescu: i am actually trying to hire someone, but for that need to shift part of s.nsa stash	[17:59]
phf	i find the framing odd, i thought purpose of s.nsa capital was to assist ascii in his b-a aligned, but essentially personal endeavor, which might potentially have a return. somehow it turned into "pay ascii by the hour". if ascii doesn't want to work on cardano, it's not a b-a way to coerce him, but if the project still exists, is being worked on, then money will be spent when there's something to spend it on, and there will be a	[17:59]
phf	return, if there's value in s.nsa output	[17:59]
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mircea_popescu	jurov seems the trade'll unwind. in fairness, you can't at the same time try to snipe bids you like, and be upset you don't see as many as you decided you need.	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	put your offer in the book, if it is of this nature of a firm offer, and wait and see.	[18:00]
ascii_shmoocon	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373230 << I wouldn't refuse a nostring 6fig bag	[18:01]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 20:56:29; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo except he doesn't seem to want them ; and besides, what confidence does a bum inspire to be a chief engineer ?	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	ascii_shmoocon you gotta at some point stop acting and trying to think like a child.	[18:01]
ascii_shmoocon	but we're talking fantasy	[18:01]
ascii_shmoocon	?	[18:01]
BingoBoingo	ascii_shmoocon: Maybe next october?	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	what "6 fig bag", what nonsense is this!	[18:01]
BingoBoingo	figs are delicious	[18:02]
BingoBoingo	6 figs is six delicious	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:02]
ben_vulpes	this margin/time/spend way of looking at things is very illuminating	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	phf well yeah, in principle i agree.	[18:02]
*	BingoBoingo honestly would consider taking on extra projects if fig bags started appearing	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	then again you know, the forum exists for people to voice their voice.	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes ;)	[18:03]
jurov	sigh there it is.	[18:03]
ben_vulpes	and eating of capital	[18:03]
ascii_shmoocon	what I'm helpfully reminding folks of is that i am not an actual '15k' person like mp	[18:04]
ascii_shmoocon	but a slave.	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	well dig yourself out already.	[18:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2015 @ 0.00051094 = 1.0295 BTC [-] {2}	[18:04]
jurov	ascii_shmoocon i did offer you to become a contractor to my company, paid by $$$, you recoiled in horror	[18:05]
jurov	"t4x3s!!!"	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	o when was this ?	[18:05]
ben_vulpes	"web techmologies!"	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	that one i recall lol.	[18:05]
ascii_shmoocon	because I can't live on chickenshit??	[18:05]
ascii_shmoocon	and have no intention of trying	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes incidentally did that other guy work out, what's his name	[18:06]
ben_vulpes	no way	[18:06]
ben_vulpes	not his problem though	[18:07]
ben_vulpes	one of not crossing bezzle and bitcoin streams.	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	markets be very disparate huh.	[18:07]
ben_vulpes	somewhat.	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	anyway, alf's position is particularly unfortunate i guess, on one hand not one of "mps' 15k", on the other not one of the 15mn, is there no spot in the sun for an alf!	[18:08]
ben_vulpes	but also the startup short requires tending to the egos of those being shorted.	[18:08]
ascii_shmoocon	no spot but here, watching a bloke give a talk on thermite, wearing a firesuit	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	no thermite present ?	[18:09]
ascii_shmoocon	shortly	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	maybe he's with isis.	[18:09]
ascii_shmoocon	you can watch the stream	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	i'd rather watch okcupid sluts camho. and no, i'm not watching that either.	[18:10]
ascii_shmoocon	I'm sitting next to the cam, lol	[18:10]
ascii_shmoocon	but no, none of it is worth watching by mp	[18:10]
jurov	sigh, can't find the original offer, maybe it was not employment but i do remember offering fiat service to alf	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	http://yosefk.com/blog/do-you-really-want-to-be-making-this-much-money-when-youre-50.html << somewhat bizarre take on things.	[18:13]
assbot	Do you really want to be making this much money when you're 50? ... ( http://bit.ly/1QdQBAk )	[18:13]
ascii_shmoocon	i can guarantee it wasn't enough..	[18:13]
jurov	!b 3	[18:14]
assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3BJYN6J.txt )	[18:14]
deedbot-	[Qntra] CoinBase Blames DDoS For Irregular Exchange Behavior - http://qntra.net/2016/01/coinbase-blames-ddos-for-irregular-exchange-behavior/	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	really this fiction of paying money rather than equity is nonsense of the first order.	[18:15]
ascii_shmoocon	lol thermite in 1u !	[18:15]
BingoBoingo	lol, wake me up when off the shelf solutions to replace the thermite role with FOOF emerge	[18:16]
ben_vulpes	ddos?	[18:16]
ben_vulpes	ffs.	[18:16]
jurov	to me it would make sense to pay full month or two to kick the project off	[18:16]
*	ben_vulpes never understood the 'broomstick' line	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	jurov to kick what project off ? the "looking for yet another job" project ?	[18:17]
ascii_shmoocon	aha lol	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	ascii_shmoocon in his defense, he's not a manager.	[18:17]
jurov	ok, maybe it's stupid idea	[18:18]
ascii_shmoocon	i'm sold in year spans, preferably multiple.	[18:18]
jurov	and i'm no mircea_popescu to get execution on my projects for $0.1/hr :(	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	anyway. my in-between-the-lines reading of the situation was that alf found, unexpectedly, that he had been doing dope for a long time, and while is working to get himself off the stuff, nevertheless due to the lenthy time spent on sudden solutions aren't practicable. so he's working on it.	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	course by now he's taken longer than conceivable for this purpose, but then again... his lyf.	[18:20]
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BingoBoingo	The dope is merely a symptom of deeper pathology	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	perhaps.	[18:25]
BingoBoingo	At least that's what the old timers say	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	be that as it may, i'm going to take the girls out to eat, and so we can continue later !	[18:25]
BingoBoingo	;;nethash	[18:27]
gribble	764613631.731	[18:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4271 @ 0.00051481 = 2.1988 BTC [+]	[18:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4469 @ 0.00051332 = 2.294 BTC [-]	[18:30]
mod6	<+mircea_popescu> jurov did the foundation ever spend anything, i forget. <+ben_vulpes> foundation spend << not to date << technically we have made one expenditure, paying jurov his yearly fee.	[18:34]
ben_vulpes	o tru	[18:35]
jurov	i'm not taking anything for last year, consider it as my tax payment	[18:41]
mod6	Thank you for your services and contribution, Sir.	[18:41]
jurov	You're welcome, Sir.	[18:42]
mod6	*contributions! even.	[18:42]
ben_vulpes	i'd really rather the books show the expected expenses, jurov.	[18:42]
jurov	there are expected expenses?	[18:42]
ben_vulpes	even if you don't move the coins around, would you show your charge and account for its not moving in donations?	[18:42]
jurov	yes, np	[18:42]
mod6	oh, fair point Mr. Vulpes.	[18:43]
mod6	in other news, this is annoying:	[18:44]
mod6	emerge sys-devel/gdb	[18:44]
mod6	... bunch of can not find ur thing ...	[18:44]
mod6	>>> Failed to emerge sys-devel/gdb-7.7.1	[18:44]
ben_vulpes	logz plz	[18:44]
ben_vulpes	(and ty, jurov)	[18:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00051542 = 3.7626 BTC [+] {2}	[18:45]
mod6	maybe this is the problem: * Last emerge --sync was 188d 1h 7m 43s ago.	[18:46]
mod6	http://dpaste.com/0AG649P.txt	[18:46]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Wihsf2 )	[18:46]
mod6	running a `emerge --sync` now.	[18:47]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Desperate Ether Huffers Turn To Spam - http://qntra.net/2016/01/desperate-ether-huffers-turn-to-spam/	[18:47]
mod6	get your rags ready	[18:48]
BingoBoingo	lol, ty thestringpuller for keeping Qntra moving on a weekend.	[18:48]
mod6	hey cool, its building gdb now :}	[18:49]
mod6	;;later tell pete_dushenski pretty neat ice scuptures. i'd like to see an ice sculpture of a guy with a sharpie in pooper.	[18:51]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[18:51]
mod6	to get the level of detail required for that, it'd probably need to be 50' high. all the better. :D	[18:51]
punkman	ben_vulpes: aaand that was actually indonesia, so i'm probably thinking about the wrong thing. << it was actually floods in Thailand.	[18:52]
mod6	checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: in `/var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gdb-7.10.1/work/gdb-7.10.1':	[18:52]
mod6	configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs.	[18:52]
mod6	wtf	[18:52]
shinohai	;;later tell BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/9aUNNcz.png	[18:55]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[18:55]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JRs5DB )	[18:55]
BingoBoingo	shinohai: Bees on strike	[18:56]
mod6	my eyes	[18:59]
shinohai	!rate thestringpuller 1 Great Qntra submissions of late	[18:59]
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shinohai	!v assbot:shinohai.rate.thestringpuller.1:6027de42db3a1f9df93b8c0f6080e300c2d469e6923d1ec6cb5746c297a13df4	[19:00]
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BingoBoingo	No wonder Ver's news site is going off they rails. They've got self declared Hegelians https://archive.is/70Zz9	[19:01]
assbot	2016 Could Be Bitcoin's Year If We Help It - Bitcoin News ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRsjL0 )	[19:01]
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mod6	does anyone know how to fix this in gentoo? http://dpaste.com/0XVYZE6.txt ?	[19:04]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JRsqpT )	[19:04]
fluffypony	nobody knows	[19:04]
fluffypony	nobody	[19:04]
fluffypony	you're on your own	[19:04]
fluffypony	godspeed, and good luck	[19:04]
mod6	hahah	[19:04]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell jamieredman Perhaps before you try going beyond Faith you first try putting the rest of everything together. You do realized that at one point Hegelian societies dedicated to spreading socialism were quite trendy?	[19:06]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[19:06]
guruvan	mod6: cannot run C compiled programs? sounds like maybe you've not got a correct toolchain? how're you building ?	[19:07]
guruvan	just happen to be building a buncha gentoo docker images today	[19:09]
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punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372769 << notbad	[19:09]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 18:20:12; mircea_popescu: http://www.secureworks.com/cyber-threat-intelligence/threats/bgp-hijacking-for-cryptocurrency-profit/ << somewhat old but i dun recall it being in the log.	[19:09]
mod6	guruvan: hey thanks, yeah i think after looking at the config.log output it's because of this:	[19:11]
mod6	CC='/mnt/btc-dev/rotor/toolchain/usr/bin/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc'	[19:11]
guruvan	oh - have you rebuilt everything with that?	[19:12]
mod6	or.. related to that. i /know/ the compiler itself works, because i just recompiled bitcoind lastnight on here. but i dunno, seems like buildroot somehow hijacked the systems gcc and how is rendered defunct?	[19:12]
mod6	# gcc-config -l [1] x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-4.8.4 *	[19:12]
guruvan	is that gcc rebuilt with itself?	[19:13]
ben_vulpes	punkman: a right	[19:15]
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guruvan	oic - I didn't notice the musl libc - I've not built one of those yet - but - did you write a whole profile for it?	[19:16]
mod6	guruvan: yeah, i guess that buildroot must hvae used 4.8.4 to build the 4.9.x with musl that buildroot uses.	[19:16]
mod6	here's my config.log output for fluffypony and everyone who cares: http://dpaste.com/0KZP715.txt	[19:16]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JRsW7u )	[19:16]
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mod6	i think it's ok. i'll probably just shut down this instance, detach the volume, fire up my old deb instance and debug on that.	[19:18]
mod6	the main issue is here, that i mainly just use this instance for build tests & full-sync tests. but the debugging i wanna do now, requires a fully syncd chain.	[19:18]
mod6	no worries.	[19:18]
guruvan	the configure there completely fails	[19:18]
mod6	yeah.	[19:19]
mod6	couldn't even make an a.out	[19:19]
jurov	guruvan: pls post the configg.log as it says	[19:19]
guruvan	jurov: ?	[19:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00051297 = 4.3602 BTC [-] {4}	[19:20]
jurov	oh it was mod6 he already did	[19:20]
mod6	:D	[19:20]
guruvan	mod6: not sure what you're testing - I just put together a docker image with the v0.5.3 code on thebitcoin.foundation site	[19:20]
mod6	i wanna send a bunch of more txs to the foundations addy and debug while im doing that.	[19:21]
jurov	x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc: error: unrecognized command line option '-V' << this	[19:21]
mod6	guruvan: really? cool!	[19:21]
mod6	jurov: ya, saw that. the system is confused about which compiler to use i think.	[19:22]
guruvan	https://hub.docker.com/r/mazaclub/btc-therealbitcoin-base/builds/ << latest should work - is running on my dev aws node	[19:22]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1UXTl41 )	[19:22]
guruvan	those images are superbig dev images - all source and everything still onboard	[19:23]
guruvan	https://github.com/mazaclub/docker-coin-daemons/tree/btc-therealbtc << source for the image	[19:23]
assbot	mazaclub/docker-coin-daemons at btc-therealbtc - GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UXTqEX )	[19:23]
shinohai	guruvan: sweet image	[19:23]
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mod6	heeey this is really neat 'RUN echo "Building Daemon" ... && wget /v0.5.3...tar.gz ...'	[19:24]
guruvan	I'll have some smaller gentoo based ones out ( ~100MB or so) this week	[19:24]
BingoBoingo	guruvan: To sync past August you'll need the latest BDB patch	[19:24]
mod6	so eventually we could even have this with like V too right? or just let trinque's makefiles do the heavy lifting with V there i guess too.	[19:24]
guruvan	mod6: yah - I don't know anything about V - but I'll figur ethat out and get this in there	[19:25]
guruvan	I'm not a big git fan	[19:25]
mod6	no worries atm. but yeah, awesome work. thanks for doing that	[19:25]
guruvan	you bet - I'll put out some more once I have the V figured out - that's just some thing that works - uses older big phusion ubuntu image underneath	[19:26]
guruvan	BingoBoingo: can you point me to a patch - I'll make the change	[19:26]
shinohai	I finally got V to work for me just hours ago.	[19:26]
mod6	^6	[19:27]
shinohai	3 day battle for latest patches xD	[19:27]
BingoBoingo	guruvan: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000139.html I believe it is in the latest Test 2 bundle	[19:27]
assbot	[BTC-dev] (CORRECTED) Bullet in the Forehead for the BDB Locks Idiocy ... ( http://bit.ly/1JWNo0i )	[19:27]
guruvan	point to primer on V ?	[19:27]
BingoBoingo	guruvan: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-November/000181.html	[19:28]
assbot	[BTC-dev] mod6's V [in perl] version 99997 K with Cucumber Tests & Testing Guide Included ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRtpXi )	[19:28]
mod6	thx BingoBoingo	[19:28]
BingoBoingo	yw mod6	[19:28]
mod6	ya, there is a quick-start guide, and a full run down of functionallity provided. might be worth a read through before you dig in.	[19:28]
mod6	on my list of things to work on is also a high-level document for V -- sort of an RFC. that'd probably be better to start with, but sadly doesn't exist yet.	[19:29]
guruvan	is V something y'all threw together?	[19:30]
mod6	yeah.	[19:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00051561 = 12.8903 BTC [+] {5}	[19:30]
guruvan	I've never heard of this at all	[19:30]
guruvan	I'll get it figured out and get this all in there then	[19:31]
mod6	that would be the bees knees.	[19:31]
BingoBoingo	guruvan: asciilifeform delivered the first implementation and mod6 took over maintenance.	[19:31]
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mod6	the idea of V is a versioning system based upon patches that include SHA512 hashes of the file before and after the given patch is applied -- and checks the given signatures of the wot entities who have signed off on the patch.	[19:32]
mod6	well, to BingoBoingo's point... Alf provided the first implementation and POC, i just took it a few steps further in mine.	[19:33]
mod6	And ben_vulpes wrote one in CL	[19:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00051717 = 2.7927 BTC [+] {3}	[19:33]
mod6	there's a guy actually writing a js one too lol	[19:33]
guruvan	I like it with wot sigs - very interesting	[19:33]
ben_vulpes	> js << lolwutwho	[19:33]
mod6	punindented	[19:34]
mod6	!up punindented	[19:34]
*	assbot gives voice to punindented	[19:34]
mod6	feel free to elaborate on this if you wish, punindented. he brought it up to me, i said, "hey, go nuts!"	[19:34]
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shinohai	I'm sticking with perl V	[19:35]
mod6	i gotta get that new version published. but im thinking that before I do so, i wanna have a few other things done too.	[19:36]
mod6	it's coming.	[19:36]
guruvan	lol perl	[19:36]
BingoBoingo	Worth a few chuckles https://archive.is/IR3q7	[19:37]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372300 << i've actually been laughing all day at the thought of BingoBoingo being triggered by exercise equipment :D	[19:37]
assbot	HARDFORK: Fix mining centralisation by luke-jr · Pull Request #6 · bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRtOca )	[19:37]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 08:47:10; BingoBoingo: Muh Triggerz	[19:37]
pete_dushenski	"Luke is not a troll. He does think outside the box." << ya mkay	[19:38]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: But if Hamplanets can claim the same	[19:38]
pete_dushenski	but you're not a hammie !	[19:38]
pete_dushenski	maybe that's what makes it funny. i dunno.	[19:38]
BingoBoingo	Smith machines have a long history of controversy	[19:38]
mod6	<+guruvan> lol perl << im not so great with python, which alfs initial version was written in -- but the one thing that stuck out there for us to use was Graph::Easy	[19:39]
mod6	this way we could generate the topoligical graphs of vpatches like this:	[19:39]
BingoBoingo	python is alf's favorite perl	[19:39]
mod6	http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html	[19:39]
assbot	VPATCH_GRAPH ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdVBAp )	[19:39]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: i could see it	[19:40]
pete_dushenski	"Bitcoin Classic will not release anything but the 2MB hardfork patch until we have hard forked. We are focused on the hard fork." << what kind of sense is this supposed to make ? (via 'toomin' not 'j')	[19:42]
ben_vulpes	who cares	[19:42]
mod6	^	[19:42]
pete_dushenski	finefine	[19:42]
ben_vulpes	seriously, vagrants publishing pamphlets in the far flung outskirts	[19:43]
ben_vulpes	of the suburbs of soi-disant cities in provinces nobody visits anyways	[19:43]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372538 << "the only thing new in the world is the history you don't know yet" (tm) (r)	[19:44]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 14:29:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371972 << ah so it was tried already, didn't catch on. alrighty then!	[19:44]
guruvan	I'm not too bad with python but zomg - perl is just....well. I can't believe a new version came out that for sure	[19:44]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372540 << cxt is supah-bad-ass. problem is... it's $100k. there's no el cheapo entry-level spec for 1/3 price as in F-150, etc.	[19:45]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 14:31:01; mircea_popescu: dude what a badass looking truck. how the fuck could the ammo churning, tailgate partying, truck racing subculture not buy this through the roof is well beyond me. but then again... i'll take the newton defense.	[19:45]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes: it's like reading the tabloids, lulz fodder, bat boy, etc.	[19:45]
pete_dushenski	call it entomology, call it popcorn entertainment, it's what it is	[19:46]
ben_vulpes	makes for low snr is what is does	[19:47]
ben_vulpes	it*	[19:48]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372541 << /me remembers fondly a local "rubens to picasso" exhibit years and years ago, mostly for the t-shirt that i bought, which raised a few curious eyebrows with the less cultured kids who'd never heard of either painter	[19:48]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 14:33:59; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371985 << the other consideration is that europe is chock full of bad copies of the classical masters. and they all suck, except the few that don't. such as for instance rubens, who learned to paint by doing a poor job of copying at first. or michelangelo, or anyone else. because yes, everyone that ever was a master painter learned his c	[19:48]
mod6	guruvan: oh you mean a new version of perl? i see that 5.22 is going to come out.	[19:49]
mod6	but separately, the current version of v.pl is v99997, and i have a v99996 ready to go, just wanna accomplish a few other tasks first before i send it to the ML.	[19:49]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: can you explain the rubens == mercedes connection ? not sure i quite got that point	[19:49]
guruvan	something like this - yes	[19:49]
mod6	i never thought perl 5 was bad, just v6.	[19:50]
mod6	well, theres a bunch of things that are bad.. like a lot of the cpan modules aren't maintained any more, etc. but if one stays away from the libs... shrug	[19:51]
guruvan	I always found it needlessly difficult - from the point of view of someone keeping volumes of code running - perl's a haddle	[19:51]
ben_vulpes	hey pete_dushenski you may be entertained to hear that my openbsd adventures have led me to download 10.6 and dd it onto a usb	[19:51]
mod6	guruvan: yah, maybe someone will create a nice implementation in something more sane and maintain it.	[19:52]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372594 << i never said never. only that there are a lot of married women and far fewer who go for the ball gag. though i grant that "oh they all go for the ball gag" is possible, if an practically untestable hypothesis.	[19:52]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 15:56:11; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372272 << is that so ?	[19:52]
ben_vulpes	because rEFInd does not work on the ancient mbp and the ready ways to get rEFIt onto the damned thing is to...install it from os x first.	[19:52]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes: neato	[19:52]
mod6	ben_vulpes's version in CL looks neat, but i can't even figure out how to run it since im a lisptard.	[19:52]
ben_vulpes	mod6: eh it probably doesn't work anyways	[19:52]
ben_vulpes	last i checked did not produce trees that matched yours	[19:52]
ben_vulpes	i have to redo its press algo to recurse up the parents chain	[19:53]
mod6	it doesn't have to be the ~exact~ tree mind you, just has to have the correct precedence levels	[19:53]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes: does crapple still sell 10.6 anywhere ?	[19:53]
ben_vulpes	mod6: press of a given head should result in the exact same tree under all V's, as i understand it	[19:53]
ben_vulpes	what do you mean "precedence levels"	[19:53]
ben_vulpes	pete_dushenski: lolno	[19:53]
ben_vulpes	someone might figure out that nothing's gotten any better since then	[19:54]
ben_vulpes	heh relatedly i coerced my ipnohe into gothmode last night	[19:54]
ben_vulpes	monochrome + color inversion	[19:54]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372610 << now you sound like stan from the 21/comcast thread ;/ "hashing is hard and we'll never see xx% difficulty resets again. who would want go to the bother ?!"	[19:55]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 16:08:10; mircea_popescu: if it doesn't climb 1/3 in 9 months some people will make incredible bank	[19:55]
ben_vulpes	the effect is rather beautiful.	[19:55]
pete_dushenski	thread : http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/15/21-inc-and-comcast-sitting-in-a-tree-d-e-r-p-i-n-g/	[19:55]
assbot	21 Inc. and Comcast sitting in a tree, d-e-r-p-i-n-g. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1UXWuAN )	[19:55]
mod6	<+ben_vulpes> mod6: press of a given head should result in the exact same tree under all V's, as i understand it << mine was ever so slightly varient from alfs	[19:55]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes: where'd you get a copy of 10.6 ?	[19:55]
mod6	we discussed it in here, a bit of varience is fine.	[19:56]
ben_vulpes	pete_dushenski: "we'll give you a zillion dollars provided you spend it all designing and producing our next generation of home routers"?	[19:56]
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mod6	<+ben_vulpes> what do you mean "precedence levels" << as long as this is met. meaning that certain things come before other things.	[19:56]
ben_vulpes	pete_dushenski: weev's tracker	[19:56]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes: "and then you'll deploy all of said home routers to ~all~ customers within 6 months"	[19:57]
pete_dushenski	aha	[19:57]
BingoBoingo	makes for low snr is what is does << The classic lulz are worth watching just because the trigger might get pulled leading to the other triggers getting pulled. Peace in Our Time (TM)(R)	[19:57]
ben_vulpes	mod6: im still a bit unclear as to what "precedence levels" refers	[19:57]
mod6	for instance, in the flow ordering it doesn't really matter which comes first: maxint_locks_corrected or add_verifyall as long as they both come after their respective antecedents.	[19:57]
ben_vulpes	yes this i get	[19:57]
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ben_vulpes	i think i understand what you're driving at	[19:59]
jurov	lol do i see right? luke wants to adopt monero approach?	[19:59]
BingoBoingo	for instance, in the flow ordering it doesn't really matter which comes first: maxint_locks_corrected or add_verifyall as long as they both come after their respective antecedents. << This threw me for a loop the first time.	[19:59]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372921 << this needs to be bashed.	[20:00]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 18:53:17; ascii_shmoocon: holy shit everything mircea ever said was true	[20:00]
BingoBoingo	jurov: Luke seems to be mocking that ClassicCoin wants to take the Monero approach and add reddit voting or some shit	[20:00]
mod6	you know, one thing that I did to ensure that my pressing of the tree was happening correctly was to press out a tree, then do a full `find . -xtype f -print0 \| xargs -0 sha512sum > manifest` to see what the final hash of the source file was, then compare it to what we had before -- what we were patching by hand.	[20:00]
ben_vulpes	huh	[20:00]
mod6	basically checking the mechanics to ensure that the resulting output was the same. this gave me confidence that my toposort was functioning as it should.	[20:01]
mod6	actually...	[20:02]
mod6	i think i can say that i have automated tests now that even check this.	[20:02]
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mod6	in the package that includes the cucumber tests, you'll find a scenario with tags '@27' and '@pressFlag' called "User executes V with the press flag" -- it then will press out a tree, then do exactly what I saying above ^	[20:05]
mod6	which to guruvan's delight, is also written in perl	[20:05]
*	mod6 runs	[20:05]
guruvan	as long as it's not js	[20:06]
mod6	in that v_steps.pl file, you'll see the sha256 hashes are kept in a here-doc so they can be repeatedly tested.	[20:06]
jurov	pete_dushenski: done	[20:06]
ben_vulpes	no node	[20:07]
ben_vulpes	please no node	[20:07]
ben_vulpes	punindented: please no js	[20:07]
mod6	my 0.00000002 was: hey, whatever floats your boat.	[20:08]
jurov	let's skip straight to cobol	[20:08]
BingoBoingo	^	[20:08]
ben_vulpes	did we do the hundred and forty line node version of kill -9 yet?	[20:08]
ben_vulpes	https://github.com/robotlolita/fuck-you/blob/master/index.js	[20:08]
BingoBoingo	cobol, the language of bzns	[20:08]
assbot	fuck-you/index.js at master · robotlolita/fuck-you · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1QdZN7M )	[20:08]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372972 << in this world (http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372966), driving a car would be more akin to flying on a plane in the 1920s. eg. http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2699/4411312464_e0e3489c45_o.jpg http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3728/11356192895_6961403e9f_b.jpg http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2636/4131214531_e8206d265d_b.jpg	[20:08]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 19:41:29; jurov: how would a tiny group of people cover the costs for mining and roads with smooth surface necessary?	[20:08]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QdZNEA )	[20:08]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QdZNEC )	[20:08]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QdZNEE )	[20:08]
ben_vulpes	which...https://github.com/robotlolita/fuck-you/blob/master/index.js#L79	[20:08]
mod6	i mean, we might never give a 'js' implementation the /blessing/ but if someone wants to work on that for themselves or whatever, cool with me.	[20:09]
pete_dushenski	^berlin airport completed in 1927, when commercial air travel was far from accessible. and still, infrastructure was built ! whaddyaknow !	[20:09]
mod6	that being said, i have TONS of work to do if anyone wants to do something different thats directly useful.	[20:09]
ben_vulpes	i do not buy this "they're all turing complete, so what's the aggro?" line.	[20:09]
jurov	pete_dushenski: that calls for ugly all-terrain steam (cuz no uniquitous gasoline) contraption	[20:09]
jurov	*ubiquitous	[20:09]
ben_vulpes	far better to be useful helping mod6 than to waste time like me on deadlang impls that don't even work	[20:10]
pete_dushenski	jurov: gasoline isn't ubiquitous enough ?	[20:10]
jurov	pete_dushenski: in the hypothetical 15k world	[20:10]
pete_dushenski	and all-terrain ? sure. ugly ? THE CXT IS BEAUTIFUL	[20:10]
pete_dushenski	jurov: in 15k world, gasoline still has other uses	[20:11]
pete_dushenski	the gasoline infrastructure that exists also has no reason to go anywhere as long as there's a market to support it	[20:11]
jurov	yes, it does. but it does not come out of tap every 20km	[20:11]
pete_dushenski	doesn't need to	[20:11]
pete_dushenski	oil products have a proven track record of transporting quite efficiently	[20:12]
pete_dushenski	storage is also quite manageable	[20:12]
pete_dushenski	and cost-effective	[20:12]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372994 << this is readily disproven by the markets for tourbillons, cessnas, and ferraris. none of which "need" the mass market. so even if these manufacturers might sell some swag to the plebes and make a dime doing it, they arguably innovated more before they reduced themselves to part-time sheep herding..	[20:15]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 19:49:05; jurov: the 15k people with means will pay for a computer or a car only if they foresee a possibility to recoup it from the chumps later	[20:15]
BingoBoingo	car works fine on moderately shittier road if built body on frame like truck.	[20:16]
ben_vulpes	this is actually my greatest lament about the corvette	[20:16]
pete_dushenski	totally	[20:16]
ben_vulpes	'twas built for glass-smooth late seventies roads.	[20:17]
pete_dushenski	i'll let you in on a sports car industry secret : they all are	[20:17]
ben_vulpes	i can hear the damn thing depreciating just driving around town.	[20:17]
ben_vulpes	lovely highway driver, though.	[20:18]
jurov	tourbillons, cessnas, and ferraris vastly benefit from mass production infrastructure	[20:18]
pete_dushenski	the nissans, the mazdas, the porsches, the lambos... all need perfect roads. this is exactly why all these "sports car" firms are ~tripping~ over themselves to makes SUVs (aston martin, bentley, lambo, etc. etc. vomit etc.)	[20:18]
pete_dushenski	jurov: in what way ?	[20:18]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes: sports cars generally suck in town at the best of times. fine for pulling up to restaurant and looking sharp, but everything else sucks until you're on the wide open road	[20:19]
jurov	pete_dushenski: established production lines for all the materials, metal alloys, glass, rubber, plastic composites	[20:20]
jurov	and electronics	[20:21]
pete_dushenski	this improves reliability, yes.	[20:21]
pete_dushenski	but these firms can't share too too many components with others (lessers) or else their customers will be ticked off	[20:22]
pete_dushenski	you better have a unique turn signal stalk in your 599 gtb. or else.	[20:22]
jurov	but i was talking about materials (and machinery)	[20:22]
ben_vulpes	http://news.mit.edu/2016/nanophotonic-incandescent-light-bulbs-0111 << luminous efficiency is a reprehensible scam	[20:23]
assbot	A nanophotonic comeback for incandescent bulbs? \| MIT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qe0VrP )	[20:23]
jurov	imagine in addition of unique components, having to orchestrate dedicated supplies of material	[20:23]
pete_dushenski	jurov: hm still not sure i see it. a lot of the high-end firms are having custom materials made too.	[20:23]
pete_dushenski	jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-01-2016#1371265	[20:23]
assbot	Logged on 15-01-2016 16:17:36; pete_dushenski: pagani even has proprietary titanium-reinforced carbon fibre. very nifty.	[20:23]
jurov	well, and how does it dosprove my point?	[20:24]
pete_dushenski	^not off the shelf, not shared with anyone.	[20:24]
jurov	i did not say ALL materials	[20:24]
pete_dushenski	"all the materials" <<	[20:24]
jurov	sigh. okay let burn me on sigle word	[20:25]
pete_dushenski	that's all it takes ;)	[20:25]
jurov	they do use majority of stuff off the shelf from reliable suppliers, and these suppliers rely on stable overall volume in mass market	[20:25]
pete_dushenski	and without those mass-market suppliers, they'd still use suppliers, just ones that catered to a smaller market	[20:26]
punkman	/me wonders how much a small steel mill costs	[20:26]
jurov	well, say titanium mine used for specialized stuff runs out and new one has to be developed. who pays for this?	[20:26]
pete_dushenski	jurov: i don't deny that there might be engineering solutions transferred within there larger firms, but it tends to be a trickle down from the high-performance customers to the low, not the other way around	[20:27]
ben_vulpes	hard to make a small steel mill. the things tend to be huge and dominate the area or go out of business.	[20:27]
pete_dushenski	jurov: titanium company pays for this	[20:27]
pete_dushenski	and if they can't, supplier finds a new one.	[20:27]
jurov	but they have small volume	[20:27]
jurov	it will lead to disruption in any case	[20:28]
ben_vulpes	even $robofab i worked for one time had their castings done by a casting company.	[20:28]
pete_dushenski	so that titanium company goes bust	[20:28]
pete_dushenski	new one takes its place, maybe this takes time, maybe not	[20:28]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes: hard to make a small steel mill ? yes. impossible ? no.	[20:28]
jurov	well, i don't see the "trickle down" as optional	[20:28]
jurov	you can't have custom "special" "high performance" whole supply line from mine up to the product	[20:29]
pete_dushenski	that's the whole point. some things might be "easier" with mass market consumers in the picture, but there are costs to this ease. arguably, excessive costs. and costs that would readily be borne if the mass market went byebye	[20:29]
pete_dushenski	jurov: sure you can. of course you can.	[20:30]
pete_dushenski	you think the king henry v's crown benefitted from mass market ruby mining ?	[20:31]
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jurov	"of course you can" - at this point i sent mircea_popescu to grow si monocrystals and use hf	[20:31]
punkman	http://www.nytimes.com/1981/09/23/business/the-rise-of-mini-steel-mills.html	[20:31]
assbot	THE RISE OF MINI-STEEL MILLS - NYTimes.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qe1IZR )	[20:31]
pete_dushenski	jurov: aha. well, manufacturers still made computers before everyone had a desktop in their home, and so too can they once "everyone" has nothing more than phablets.	[20:33]
pete_dushenski	punkman: nice find.	[20:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3570 @ 0.00051815 = 1.8498 BTC [+]	[20:33]
pete_dushenski	golden oldie.	[20:33]
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pete_dushenski	in other nyooz, http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Y2z3R_xAyz4/Vpm37QlC7EI/AAAAAAAAkNY/ZdErfw38yvs/s640/ra7MzGf.jpg	[20:33]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Wivjln )	[20:33]
pete_dushenski	^Myasishchev VM-T Atlant NATO Code: Bison	[20:34]
ben_vulpes	steel mill doesn't make sense to operate unless operated continually, no small-batch fabber is going to do so.	[20:35]
ben_vulpes	plus costs of molds, does it cast? forge? roll?	[20:35]
jurov	pete_dushenski: why would a person pay for such an one-of-a-few computer?	[20:36]
pete_dushenski	because it's useful ? because it's unique ? because fuck you (not you, but "you") ?	[20:37]
punkman	"In 2007, Nucor recycled nearly 10 million cars in its production processes, the equivalent of one SUV every four seconds."	[20:37]
jurov	and would be the computer even feasible when only anough vacuum tubes/xsistors will be developed only for top 15k to have radio receiver?	[20:37]
ben_vulpes	so they're a glorified waste-processing plant.	[20:38]
pete_dushenski	jurov: they were when computers filled the basements of university buildings, and there were only dozens or hundreds then. so again, why not ?	[20:39]
jurov	because there were mass produced relays/tubes/transistors available	[20:39]
ben_vulpes	> t bars	[20:39]
ben_vulpes	mk.	[20:39]
ben_vulpes	literal bottom feeders.	[20:39]
jurov	for example babbage did not have the elements and had to develop precision machinery himself, what contributed to his failure	[20:41]
pete_dushenski	jurov: so it's the gasoline thing again.	[20:41]
jurov	for the gasoline the difference in availability does not cause big problem. but as the tech stack up, the effect multiplies	[20:42]
punkman	sounds like http://www.econlib.org/library/Essays/rdPncl1.html	[20:42]
assbot	Read, I, Pencil \| Library of Economics and Liberty ... ( http://bit.ly/1WiwdP2 )	[20:42]
punkman	also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014808 and yes I'd rather live in 10billion than 10million world	[20:44]
assbot	Logged on 10-02-2015 11:47:29; punkman: re: 10m people, what kind of world can you run on that considering current complexity?	[20:44]
pete_dushenski	punkman: classic	[20:45]
jurov	shrug i can understand, the world is overcrowded, it's tempting to dream of putting stupid people "to their place". whether that comes to pass, i doubt.	[20:47]
pete_dushenski	jurov: i can see it. and while i agree there would be trade-offs (less reliability, more difficulty find parts perhaps), i think that the benefits would more than compensate and that product designers would adapt themselves accordingly (eg. making repairs possible without specialised equipment and using more readily available parts)	[20:47]
pete_dushenski	with the amount of fiat sloshing around, it's hard to imagine this niche-or-nothing/15k-only approach coming to dominate industries and manufacturing sectors any time soon, but the thermodynamics do point to this as a far more (whisper it) sustainable solution	[20:49]
jurov	funny that communism actually achieved this.	[20:49]
jurov	you could fix "skoda 120" at home with a pit and basic tools	[20:50]
BingoBoingo	related http://www.theonion.com/article/area-dog-will-never-live-up-to-dog-on-purina-bag-1755	[20:50]
pete_dushenski	nothing lasts forever. not even communism.	[20:50]
assbot	Area Dog Will Never Live Up To Dog On Purina Bag - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qe3gD7 )	[20:50]
jurov	so not at all hard to imagine.	[20:50]
jurov	what is hard to imagine, how to achieve this together with profit as a motive	[20:50]
pete_dushenski	aha. that's where the "the future isn't hyper-capitalism, it's feudalism" thread comes in.	[20:51]
jurov	and my reply was that dependence is best strategy	[20:52]
jurov	so not really feudalism, but one schelling point	[20:52]
jurov	one ruler	[20:52]
pete_dushenski	within feudalism, of course profit is still ~a~ motive, but it's not the only (not can it really ever be)	[20:52]
pete_dushenski	jurov: seems impractical for one ruler to manage that much complexity	[20:53]
jurov	feudalism in the past was decentralised only because of distances and communication problems	[20:53]
jurov	pete_dushenski: of course he will delegate	[20:53]
jurov	but then it's hierarchy	[20:53]
pete_dushenski	aha. dunbar number	[20:53]
jurov	people always try to overstep dunbar number	[20:54]
jurov	what's to stop them?	[20:54]
pete_dushenski	biology, time.	[20:55]
pete_dushenski	still, while communication has obviously flattened the world, and geography matters not on the internet, distance still matters for supplies, food, equipment, etc	[20:55]
pete_dushenski	so having geographic divisions still makes sense, even across cultural lines if people can't be persuaded to get along via market forces	[20:56]
jurov	pls explain that to every russian ruler in past 200 years	[20:56]
pete_dushenski	which part ?	[20:56]
jurov	"distance still matters for supplies, food, equipment, etc"	[20:57]
jurov	by your theory vladivostok should be self governed, or by japan	[20:57]
jurov	nope. what can expand, it does. beyond supplies, food, equipment,.. etc limits	[20:58]
pete_dushenski	i honestly have no idea how much autonomy vladivostok has.	[20:58]
jurov	and these limits went way bigger recently	[20:58]
pete_dushenski	cancers expands ad infinitum too. until the host dies and the worms move in.	[20:59]
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jurov	so?	[21:00]
pete_dushenski	so a snapshot in time tells us nothing	[21:01]
jurov	to go back to original issue, how can multiple centers of power exist in bitcoin?	[21:01]
pete_dushenski	;;ticker	[21:01]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 388.4, Best ask: 388.42, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 388.4, 24 hour volume: 74062.16019306, 24 hour low: 352.5, 24 hour high: 392.5, 24 hour vwap: None	[21:01]
pete_dushenski	^broomsticky	[21:01]
pete_dushenski	jurov: i guess i don't see that all the world's power ~has~ to be "in" bitcoin.	[21:02]
pete_dushenski	so while bitcoin might be more politically centralised, there's a whole lot else out there in the wild	[21:03]
pete_dushenski	how many "bitcoin devs teams" are there ? a dozen ?	[21:03]
jurov	you call them "centers of power"? fo srs	[21:04]
pete_dushenski	relatively speaking, sure. within the minds of the many, many "people" who bestow it upon them. the scrillion branches of xtianity are no different in this regard. and they all have some measure of power.	[21:05]
pete_dushenski	this minor power might not move mountains or build space rockets, but it can provide health care, "education," "a sense of community" etc	[21:06]
jurov	when did you start considering headcount as a measure?	[21:07]
pete_dushenski	it's always been a measure, just depends on what for.	[21:07]
pete_dushenski	isis measures in headcounts (on stakes)	[21:08]
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jurov	so, if bitcoin becomes world's reserve currency but people will still "bestow" upon usd	[21:10]
jurov	where is the power center?	[21:10]
jurov	i'm lost in this, you foresee feudal society, then what people bestow, dunno	[21:11]
jurov	gotta sleep, bye	[21:11]
pete_dushenski	i think the issue here might be with the conception that power is binary and that its centres must contain all or none. it isn't. there are gradations. so even if bitcoin is very, very valuable, it won't be sufficient to constitute the entirety of the world. you can't eat bits.	[21:12]
pete_dushenski	jurov: cheers	[21:12]
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jurov	irc you and mircea_popescu expect power to hang or stake certain people.. that's pretty close to "all" end	[21:14]
jurov	*iirc	[21:14]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373142 << i'm sure alfie will loooove ^^^ ;/	[21:14]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 20:31:38; ascii_shmoocon: and holyfuq are these talks snorefest	[21:14]
punkman	jurov, don't you wish a stake for certain people?	[21:15]
BingoBoingo	!up bad-dragon	[21:15]
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jurov	not really	[21:15]
pete_dushenski	jurov: nah, outside of the "civilised world", killing your enemies is pretty common.	[21:15]
pete_dushenski	it's actually the minority of the world that thinks you can "talk it through" and "share fee-fees"	[21:16]
pete_dushenski	and the minority of history, for that matter	[21:16]
jurov	if civilised world ends and proves it was only an illusion, then perhaps i reconsider	[21:17]
BingoBoingo	https://i.imgur.com/2Y8ZQTk.jpg	[21:17]
pete_dushenski	i'm content with that conclusion. now go get some sleep !	[21:17]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Qe6net )	[21:17]
punkman	well you can put them in a jail cell if you prefer, but I ain't paying for it	[21:18]
pete_dushenski	there are fighters and there are lovers. jurov's the latter.	[21:19]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373173 << you ever get past 40% finished on the re-write ?	[21:21]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 20:41:15; mircea_popescu: sez so right in the merchant of venice!	[21:21]
punkman	http://www.startupbizhub.com/starting-steel-mini-mill.htm check out the 488 comments	[21:25]
assbot	Starting Steel Mini Mill ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpdVIR )	[21:25]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373344 << haha omg that'd be epic. i bet "sharpie" would even donate a 10' long pen just for the occasion. tell them "it's for art" and you're golden.	[21:30]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 21:50:08; mod6: to get the level of detail required for that, it'd probably need to be 50' high. all the better. :D	[21:30]
punkman	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQl0RhEPBJw	[21:32]
assbot	Dead Kennedys - Buzzbomb from Pasadena - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OpeGBD )	[21:32]
punkman	http://i.imgur.com/Y2aaSdX.png unicodez	[21:39]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OpfaYx )	[21:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00052045 = 1.0149 BTC [+]	[21:41]
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pete_dushenski	punkman: heh	[22:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00052218 = 1.3577 BTC [+]	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373342 >> bwahahaha	[22:13]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 21:49:24; mod6: ;;later tell pete_dushenski pretty neat ice scuptures. i'd like to see an ice sculpture of a guy with a sharpie in pooper.	[22:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00052218 = 1.9843 BTC [+]	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373410 << totally look into v. it's great.	[22:19]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 22:23:44; guruvan: mod6: yah - I don't know anything about V - but I'll figur ethat out and get this in there	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	"@transcats Memory-hard PoW hasn't been invented yet, so we can't implement that.	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	This is literally no harder to get consensus for than a hardforked block size increase. This is probably easier, in fact, since it impacts fewer people negatively."	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	actually i wouldn't go to war over keccak.	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	letting bitfury & friends eat 100mn in unrecoupable engineering costs would provide exactly the correct lesson as to what it's a good idea to say and when it's a good idea to shut the fuck up and toe the line.	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	"jcliff commented Jan 16, 2016	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	NACK. This renders hundreds of millions of dollars worth of equipment useless. It will leave a bad taste in the miners' mouth. I also think this is an unnecessary fix to a problem that won't exist in the long term. ASIC mining hardware will sooner or later hit fundamental physical limits and become commoditized. Decentralization of mining will naturally follow."	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	who is this imbecile again ?	[22:23]
BingoBoingo	I've been asking myself that a lot lately	[22:25]
BingoBoingo	All of the nobodies	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373499 >> yes it should.	[22:28]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 22:52:05; ben_vulpes: mod6: press of a given head should result in the exact same tree under all V's, as i understand it	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	provided, of course, same sigils.	[22:28]
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mircea_popescu	!up epscy	[22:33]
-assbot-	You voiced epscy for 30 minutes.	[22:33]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373568 << it does, just, between monaco and paris, not between fucking mobile and las vegas.	[22:35]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 23:10:05; jurov: yes, it does. but it does not come out of tap every 20km	[22:35]
BingoBoingo	Also the blue pogoplug is the worthless one for our cause, right?	[22:37]
BingoBoingo	Was just at walmart and saw a few for $10 a pop.	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373594 << dude you're on this whole "before i was around people never fucked" angle.	[22:37]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 23:21:55; jurov: imagine in addition of unique components, having to orchestrate dedicated supplies of material	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	fucking roman empire got dates across the sea in time to start a war. wtf already,	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373604 << no. the mass market drives them to shittify their offerings.	[22:38]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 23:23:54; jurov: they do use majority of stuff off the shelf from reliable suppliers, and these suppliers rely on stable overall volume in mass market	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	they're as unreliable as they fucking get.	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373606 << ironically enough stell mill has strange anti-economies of scale. romania had one of the largest in the world, at galati. it was bought by arcelor and downsized. they also bought and downsized the krivoy rog ones.	[22:39]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 23:24:50; punkman: /me wonders how much a small steel mill costs	[22:39]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373607 << it's the same money, but in fewer hands. think of it this way : currently, there's 10`000 "family units" in town X making "the decision" to buy cable. as a result... there's two shitty companies and a de facto monopoly. transform those families into slaves and servants. they no longer get their own house, but live in the house oftheir masters, at their disposals	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	. now there's 200 masters, and 12 cable companies, and no fucking monopoly.	[22:40]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 23:25:19; jurov: well, say titanium mine used for specialized stuff runs out and new one has to be developed. who pays for this?	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	because the 200 are stronger than the 12 ; whereas the 10k are weaker than fucking cox cable.	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	and yes this means that julie slaveface doesn't get to elect who's gonna take her maidenhood. fuck her.	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	and yes this means some inept derp doesn't get to sit around and "save the world" with "his foundation". fuck gates, too.	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	but the ONLY difference is that instead of cox writing 10k 50 dollar bills for cable each month, a coupla hundred people sign off on cable bills worth 10k dollars each once a year. and the internet is twice as good.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	so you got a 4x improvement in qualityt of life for the slaves&servants in question out of the very simple measure of halving the costs and doubling the quality ; and at the expense that julie nobody doesn't get to pretend on reddit and gates doesn't get to pretend in washpo anymore.	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	these are light costs to bear.	[22:43]
BingoBoingo	but the ONLY difference is that instead of cox writing 10k 50 dollar bills for cable each month, a coupla hundred people sign off on cable bills worth 10k dollars each once a year. and the internet is twice as good. << Kinda why US municipalities with good internet have a maximum size.	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	and note that there wasn't any sort of run amok "medical profession", or "legal profession", or anything else back then. doctor fucking paid house calls.	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	except if you were poor and unconnected, but in that case - YOU BELONG IN THE SEWER.	[22:47]
BingoBoingo	If there aren't jsut a handful of families in town with the relative wallets to tell the cable co FU, can't have get fiber	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	otherwise, doctor came to your fucking house. like they still did when i was a child, and ironicallyt - for the exact same reason.	[22:47]
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mircea_popescu	ro soviet socialism was very much a medieval arrangement.	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	jsut different nobility.	[22:47]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373651 << size per se is irrelevant. the point is that the 10bn can't have franchise.	[22:48]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 23:43:17; punkman: also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014808 and yes I'd rather live in 10billion than 10million world	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	for as long as they make as much difference as rats, they can also multiply as rats.	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	who knows, maybe they manage to spawn a hot chick.	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373655 << the thing here is that the age of unreliability is today, not 1700. as alf pointed out at some point - you couldn't sell ANY of your consumer junk you buy today to people living then. not your shitty shoes, not your shitty anything.	[22:50]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 23:45:44; pete_dushenski: jurov: i can see it. and while i agree there would be trade-offs (less reliability, more difficulty find parts perhaps), i think that the benefits would more than compensate and that product designers would adapt themselves accordingly (eg. making repairs possible without specialised equipment and using more readily available parts)	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	heck, even in 1950 stuff was a lot more reliable than the shit that passes today.	[22:50]
BingoBoingo	Occassionally 2016 stuff is better than 2006 stuff.	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[22:51]
BingoBoingo	Example: mass market walmart brand clock radio purchased today. Beats the hell out of finicky big name 2006 clock radio. Beautiful AM reception only 22 inches from UPS transformer	[22:52]
BingoBoingo	But neither would be capable of crushing as many skulls as 1950's equivalent	[22:53]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373670 << this is deeply untrue. for instance : feudalism in germany was decentralized ; in france centralized. same exact fucking country.	[22:54]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 23:51:43; jurov: feudalism in the past was decentralised only because of distances and communication problems	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	ideology matters a lot more than these things. the germans wanted to be free and the french wanted to party.	[22:54]
mod6	<+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373499 >> yes it should. << yup. the topological flow might be ever so slightly different when listed, but the resulting pressed tree must be exactly the same.	[22:54]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 22:52:05; ben_vulpes: mod6: press of a given head should result in the exact same tree under all V's, as i understand it	[22:54]
mod6	mathematically even.	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373690 << i dun see the impediment.	[22:55]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 00:00:02; jurov: to go back to original issue, how can multiple centers of power exist in bitcoin?	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373709 << wait, wut ?	[22:56]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 00:12:50; jurov: irc you and mircea_popescu expect power to hang or stake certain people.. that's pretty close to "all" end	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373725 << a little.	[22:57]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 00:19:47; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373173 << you ever get past 40% finished on the re-write ?	[22:57]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373631 << possibly tank for 'buran' shuttle	[23:06]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 23:32:21; pete_dushenski: in other nyooz, http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Y2z3R_xAyz4/Vpm37QlC7EI/AAAAAAAAkNY/ZdErfw38yvs/s640/ra7MzGf.jpg	[23:06]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373494 << i've actually thought about writing, for lulz, a vtron in... gnumake	[23:08]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 22:50:57; ben_vulpes: mod6: eh it probably doesn't work anyways	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	insectworld.	[23:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2414 @ 0.00052045 = 1.2564 BTC [-] {2}	[23:08]
asciilifeform	and my original (unpublished) attempt was in ... awk & sed	[23:09]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373499 << very direly, importantly, yes	[23:09]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 22:52:05; ben_vulpes: mod6: press of a given head should result in the exact same tree under all V's, as i understand it	[23:09]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373505 << l0lwut	[23:09]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 22:53:27; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372610 << now you sound like stan from the 21/comcast thread ;/ "hashing is hard and we'll never see xx% difficulty resets again. who would want go to the bother ?!"	[23:09]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373510 << this, if true, is a serious condition and you ought post how/what	[23:10]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 22:54:13; mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: press of a given head should result in the exact same tree under all V's, as i understand it << mine was ever so slightly varient from alfs	[23:10]
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asciilifeform	if 2 vtrons give variant output on same input, ~someone~ has catastrophically-broken system	[23:10]
asciilifeform	possibly both.	[23:10]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373514 << i have a box right here	[23:11]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 22:54:45; *: pete_dushenski assumes osx 10.6 discs would be hard to come by	[23:11]
asciilifeform	it's yours for the cost of postage.	[23:11]
asciilifeform	original box, too	[23:11]
mod6	<+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373510 << this, if true, is a serious condition and you ought post how/what << sure we can talk about this. we've actually discussed it a few times at least.	[23:11]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 22:54:13; mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: press of a given head should result in the exact same tree under all V's, as i understand it << mine was ever so slightly varient from alfs	[23:11]
asciilifeform	did we? i forget	[23:12]
asciilifeform	was it the lexical order thing?	[23:12]
mod6	from those discussions, I'm under the impression that the ordering of the flow doesn't exactly have to be the exact same, as long as the pressing is the exact same.	[23:12]
asciilifeform	aha the hashes either match, or they do not	[23:12]
asciilifeform	(in the latter case, the whole thing melts down)	[23:12]
mod6	right.	[23:12]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373550 << mno, they were cardboard and in many cases cost less than the cars of the time	[23:13]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 23:06:50; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372972 << in this world (http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372966), driving a car would be more akin to flying on a plane in the 1920s. eg. http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2699/4411312464_e0e3489c45_o.jpg http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3728/11356192895_6961403e9f_b.jpg http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2636/4131214531_e8206d265d_b	[23:13]
mod6	i'm not really talkinga bout the pressing. as i was saying to ben, i checked all of my pressings by final output hash & have automated tests that check & ensure this outcome is correct.	[23:13]
asciilifeform	this was, of course, ~before~ the usgization of flight	[23:13]
asciilifeform	today one is not permitted to fly so much as a mile without filling out forms in triplicate	[23:14]
asciilifeform	or at least the radio equivalent	[23:14]
mod6	the new, yet unreleased v99996 will check the resultant hashes of the files touched by a vpatch -- to add another layer to this.	[23:14]
asciilifeform	and $100k of schooling and licensing, etc	[23:14]
asciilifeform	mod6: very spiffy, looking forward to this	[23:14]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373549 << snobol, the language of snobs !!11 (tm) (r) (my brother's aphorisms)	[23:14]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 23:06:42; BingoBoingo: cobol, the language of bzns	[23:14]
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BingoBoingo	bzns is to bsns as azn is to Nisshin Maru	[23:15]
guruvan	mod6: bitcoin docker image is up - just testing now - patch wasn't working for me, so it's manually applied	[23:15]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373557 << disingenuous comparison, airplane needs no infrastructure other than 2 runways (and, if seaplane or heli, not them either)	[23:15]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 23:07:49; pete_dushenski: ^berlin airport completed in 1927, when commercial air travel was far from accessible. and still, infrastructure was built ! whaddyaknow !	[23:15]
mod6	yup, me too -- code is done, pretty much tested thus far. but the changes to having .wot in the pwd instead of ~/ by default; i want to ensure that it works ok with trinque' makefiles before i publish.	[23:15]
mod6	<+guruvan> mod6: bitcoin docker image is up - just testing now - patch wasn't working for me, so it's manually applied << ah, you had it build from V?	[23:16]
guruvan	no - I'm not there yet - I'm just sitting down to figure out how to use V	[23:16]
mod6	ahh. ok, gotcha.	[23:17]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373573 << this is lunacy. each of those machines exists because there IS a mass market for machine tools, the requisite raw materials, the skill set of the readily available assemblers, and in fact a large number of the parts per se	[23:17]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 23:14:09; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372994 << this is readily disproven by the markets for tourbillons, cessnas, and ferraris. none of which "need" the mass market. so even if these manufacturers might sell some swag to the plebes and make a dime doing it, they arguably innovated more before they reduced themselves to part-time sheep herding..	[23:17]
asciilifeform	there was no ferrari in 1850.	[23:17]
guruvan	any prereqs i need to know - just latest perl?	[23:17]
asciilifeform	nor could have been.	[23:17]
mod6	yeah perl 5, and that should be it. if you want it to be able to utilize the graphing utility, you need to install Graph::Easy, but that is not a requirement or prereq to it running.	[23:17]
mod6	some pro-tips:	[23:18]
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mod6	1]: with version 99997 create (by hand) a ~/.wot directory and populate it with keys named as their irc-nick and .asc, like: mod6.asc or asciilifeform.asc	[23:18]
mod6	well, that's pretty much it. the 'init' command should take care of the rest.	[23:19]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373590 << the led in that turn signal is same as in a toyota.	[23:19]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 23:21:10; pete_dushenski: you better have a unique turn signal stalk in your 599 gtb. or else.	[23:19]
mod6	when you get there, if you hit any snags, just let me know.	[23:19]
asciilifeform	as is the cpu in engine comp.	[23:19]
guruvan	I will - thanks mod6	[23:19]
mod6	thank /you/!	[23:19]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373617 << it is ~possible~ to nanofabricate pentium atom by atom, by hand. will you ever have one ? no. will sultan of brunei have one? also no - he could buy MAXINT whores instead	[23:20]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 23:27:13; pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: hard to make a small steel mill ? yes. impossible ? no.	[23:20]
asciilifeform	and will.	[23:20]
guruvan	no trouble - I'm gonna play a little with V tonight	[23:20]
asciilifeform	not even queen victoria was willing to pay for what a ~completed~ difference engine cost.	[23:21]
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asciilifeform	and it was much more of a realistic proposition than hand-made vlsi.	[23:21]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373619 << aha. not even in motherfucking ussr. where 'zil' made not only limo for brezhnev, no expense spared, but... trucks	[23:22]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 23:28:07; jurov: you can't have custom "special" "high performance" whole supply line from mine up to the product	[23:22]
asciilifeform	BECAUSE INDUSTRY	[23:22]
asciilifeform	srsly.	[23:22]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373639 << jurov gets it.	[23:23]
assbot	Logged on 16-01-2016 23:36:07; jurov: and would be the computer even feasible when only anough vacuum tubes/xsistors will be developed only for top 15k to have radio receiver?	[23:23]
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mircea_popescu	jurov "gets it" in that he flatters your favourite worldview, is all.	[23:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i'd much like to be proven wrong... go, bring back symbolics co.	[23:24]
asciilifeform	the ultimate 'computer for k00l d00dz'	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	a) you don';t get to say what's the criteria for you being proven wrong	[23:25]
asciilifeform	were 15k even built?	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	b) symbolics was a nefarious piece of shit i'd burn with my own hands if it was still aroundm.	[23:25]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: and the other computer vendors at the time were angels ?	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	this makes no difference.	[23:25]
asciilifeform	but it is true, it was widely hated, even when small	[23:26]
asciilifeform	see for instance rms	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	hated also makes no difference.	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	it was outright evil. more so than microsoft.	[23:26]
asciilifeform	quite arguably so	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	that it fucking died a sad death almost excuses the fact microsoft didn't.	[23:26]
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*	asciilifeform would like to read a mircea_popescu mega-piece on the death of smbx one day	[23:26]
asciilifeform	right now best we have was 'symbolics, the failure of heterogeneous engineering' (by some chick?)	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	because if the personification of justice sits there and says "only had one bullet, and ms were idiots - so i killed the dangerous morons", i can't protest.	[23:27]
asciilifeform	btw i'm not even sure it makes sense to compare the two - smbx was in an industry almost unrelated as, e.g., j. d. rockefeller's	[23:27]
asciilifeform	(they did not make personal comp, nor ever threaten to)	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	pfff.	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	they invented the apple store.	[23:28]
asciilifeform	wai wut ?!	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	the whole thing that company was - a giant apple store.	[23:29]
asciilifeform	wat?!	[23:29]
asciilifeform	how?	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	closed surce bs.	[23:29]
asciilifeform	mno	[23:29]
asciilifeform	whole motherfucking thing SHIPPED WITH SOURCE	[23:30]
asciilifeform	what on earth are you on about.	[23:30]
*	mircea_popescu goes back to the notes.	[23:30]
asciilifeform	i actually have the smbx source right here.	[23:30]
asciilifeform	on a legit, pressed cd	[23:30]
asciilifeform	circa early '90s.	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	"The largest criticisms of Symbolics in the article are that Symbolics believed AI would take off and that Symbolics mistakenly pushed its view that proprietary hardware was the way to go for AI."	[23:30]
BingoBoingo	But seriously. The blue pogos were the worthless ones right, or do I gotta go back to Walmart tonight?	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo iirc we wanted the red ones.	[23:31]
BingoBoingo	k	[23:31]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: they, along with lmi, texas instruments, racal norsk, and possibly a few others, sold dedicated lisp cpu. which made engineering sense at the time	[23:31]
asciilifeform	and actually still does	[23:31]
asciilifeform	if cat-picture-watchers were not the dominant market segment	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	yaya.	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	and the appstore makes "engineering sense"	[23:31]
asciilifeform	nothing to do with any of it	[23:32]
asciilifeform	go review the lit.	[23:32]
asciilifeform	smbx corp also did not burn rome or invade stalingrad.	[23:32]
asciilifeform	the true pioneers of 'apple store' model were... ibm	[23:32]
asciilifeform	who did not sell (yes) their machines, but ~rented~ time on EACH CPU to the 'owner', along with the soft	[23:33]
asciilifeform	from 1960s on.	[23:33]
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mircea_popescu	i fail to see how symbolics was any better.	[23:33]
asciilifeform	thing came with N cpu, X mb of ram, etc. and you would RENT them by the hour.	[23:33]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: well, for one thing, you could actually BUY the machine	[23:33]
asciilifeform	it was just a costly piece of industrial equipment, no trickery involved	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	right.	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	and if i wanted to upgrade it i had to buy from them, right ?	[23:34]
asciilifeform	and came with the soft, the source, and with the important detail that you could point at ANYTHING running and get its source IN REAL TIME	[23:34]
asciilifeform	and modify that bit	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	i dunno why you think this is an exculpatory bit.	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	it's the very damnable part.	[23:35]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if you wanted to upgrade a pdp you had to buy from dec, etc	[23:35]
asciilifeform	standardization of components at that time had touched only disks	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	yes but all those idiots never stood a chance	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	these guys - did.	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	which is what makes them the absolute worst scum.	[23:35]
asciilifeform	(smbx boxen used fujitsu 'eagle' drive like every other mini of the period)	[23:35]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: wai wut	[23:35]
asciilifeform	!s heroes hang while traitors triumph	[23:35]
assbot	0 results for 'heroes hang while traitors triumph' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=heroes+hang+while+traitors+triumph	[23:35]
asciilifeform	and mircea_popescu thought ~i~ was the sinner in re: ^	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	mno. these are no sort of heroes.	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	they're cockroaches. mice are extinct, because large.	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	cockroaches survive because just low profile enough.	[23:36]
asciilifeform	that is what survived, yes	[23:36]
asciilifeform	cockroaches.	[23:36]
asciilifeform	the idiot 1980s minis.	[23:36]
asciilifeform	*micros	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	that this particular brand of "just low profile enough" actually died for once is nothing short of miraculous.	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	god fucking help us with a symbolics entrenched in success.	[23:37]
asciilifeform	how would it meaningfully differ from your 'computers for the 15k, mud for the 15m' scenario ?	[23:37]
asciilifeform	just because smbx was an american firm and thereby satanic ?	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	you missed the number 12. go re-read that dicussion.	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	i want a single, competent it corp like i want an elk horn up my ass.	[23:38]
asciilifeform	there were not even 12 makers of rich folk cars in 1890.	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	yes, actually, there were. you don't recall their names, but there were.	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	and the important part here is exactly that.	[23:38]
asciilifeform	so why died ?	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	who, symbolix ? nothing short of good fortune.	[23:39]
asciilifeform	no, no, the cars	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	there's no reason they should have, statistically. that they did is a miracle.	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	oh. because taxes.	[23:39]
asciilifeform	tax was scarcely a thing at the time/place ?	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	the way most of the early industry was rolled up, was that the "chosen" schelling point got tax breaks.	[23:41]
asciilifeform	ah now this i recall.	[23:41]
asciilifeform	as in rail.	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	worked pretty much universally from the mid 1800s on	[23:41]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373783 << aha, we had this in '80 su	[23:42]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 01:45:44; mircea_popescu: otherwise, doctor came to your fucking house. like they still did when i was a child, and ironicallyt - for the exact same reason.	[23:42]
asciilifeform	it blew my mind that 'civilized' usa does not	[23:42]
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mircea_popescu	"streamlining" and bla bla, "corporatization" etc.	[23:43]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373790 << phun phakt: i bought a new (fiddybuck) pair of shoes a week before blasting off to conf3 in b-a. these shoes began to show visible 'asking for porridge' the week i came back. mostly in tatters now.	[23:43]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 01:48:28; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373655 << the thing here is that the age of unreliability is today, not 1700. as alf pointed out at some point - you couldn't sell ANY of your consumer junk you buy today to people living then. not your shitty shoes, not your shitty anything.	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	also known as "fuck everything up, nobody'll figure it out anyway"	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i was referencing that "i can throw them out for you" thing	[23:44]
asciilifeform	incidentally, one interesting fact perhaps unknown outside of usaschwitz is that one assumption baked into these 'shoes' is that owner DOES NOT WALK	[23:44]
asciilifeform	he drives. even to coffee across the street.	[23:44]
asciilifeform	like my colleagues	[23:44]
asciilifeform	(and the set before them)	[23:44]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: aha, it	[23:45]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373792 << helped that plastic (esp. of the fine-detailed injection mold variety) was not yet a thing	[23:45]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 01:48:39; mircea_popescu: heck, even in 1950 stuff was a lot more reliable than the shit that passes today.	[23:45]
asciilifeform	it absolutely ANNIHILATED longevity. witness, e.g., plastic bicycle derailleurs	[23:45]
asciilifeform	(caps the life of the machine at about 2y)	[23:46]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373744 << hey, false.	[23:52]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 01:19:36; mircea_popescu: "@transcats Memory-hard PoW hasn't been invented yet, so we can't implement that.	[23:52]
asciilifeform	!s lifecoin	[23:52]
assbot	6 results for 'lifecoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lifecoin	[23:52]
asciilifeform	for all the good it does.	[23:52]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373716 << actually, living in a perplexing (to non-orcs) symbiotic vendetta balance with enemies is the common thing.	[23:53]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 00:14:21; pete_dushenski: jurov: nah, outside of the "civilised world", killing your enemies is pretty common.	[23:53]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373746 << did anybody ever suggest keccak ?!!! did i sleep through this?!	[23:55]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 01:20:08; mircea_popescu: actually i wouldn't go to war over keccak.	[23:55]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Luke suggested it to the ClassicCoin forkers	[23:55]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373759 << aaaaactually you can solder the sata plug on !	[23:55]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 01:35:25; BingoBoingo: Also the blue pogoplug is the worthless one for our cause, right?	[23:55]
asciilifeform	it has the holes.	[23:55]
asciilifeform	if you have the patience.	[23:56]
BingoBoingo	I don't have the patience for those savings	[23:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00052045 = 2.9926 BTC [-] {2}	[23:56]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373771 << how many gas companies were there in 1820 london ?	[23:59]
assbot	Logged on 17-01-2016 01:39:08; mircea_popescu: . now there's 200 masters, and 12 cable companies, and no fucking monopoly.	[23:59]

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