Forum logs for 15 Oct 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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Ukto	Diablo-D3: did nefario give out asset lists ?	[00:01]
Diablo-D3	no	[00:01]
Ukto	man, what a tryhard	[00:02]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1217 @ 0.00040434 = 0.4921 BTC [-]	[00:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20257 @ 0.00040404 = 8.1846 BTC [-]	[00:08]
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thestringpuller	Nefario is fuckin up	[00:20]
thestringpuller	But then again he can never do business in the BTC community again so it's kinda fair	[00:20]
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Ukto	i think a few ppl prolly will	[00:29]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8043 @ 0.00040404 = 3.2497 BTC [-]	[00:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34357 @ 0.00040399 = 13.8799 BTC [-]	[00:34]
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BTC-Mining	Well, anyone seliing F.GIGA.ETF/S.BVPS?	[00:55]
thestringpuller	is giga on mpex now?	[00:57]
rdponticelli	There has always been an ETF	[00:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00040399 = 8.8878 BTC [-]	[01:00]
rdponticelli	Now, who knows, it may turn into the main site to exchange it, or it may be renderer useless...	[01:00]
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BTC-Mining	Indeed	[01:16]
BTC-Mining	I actually purchased 534150 GIGA.ETF already eh	[01:17]
smickles	rdponticelli: how would it be rendered usless?	[01:18]
rdponticelli	Well, if for any cause ownership of the underlying can't be acertained	[01:20]
rdponticelli	Like the useless codes glbse gave to goat...	[01:20]
smickles	rdponticelli: i wonder if giga would just recognize the etf shares tho	[01:21]
rdponticelli	That would be great	[01:22]
smickles	The Owner will never own less shares of the underlying than the total float of this asset implies.	[01:22]
smickles	mircea_popescu would've broken his own contract to have ever sold those shares	[01:22]
Diablo-D3	speaking of which	[01:24]
rdponticelli	Yeah, but even if mircea_popescu owns those shares, the proof of that ownership is on glbse's hands	[01:24]
Diablo-D3	how are those etfs even functioning now	[01:24]
smickles	and i believe giga's signed receipt of the btc for the shares is in the contract too, so it's conceivable that he would honor it w/o any info coming from glbse	[01:24]
smickles	Diablo-D3: in the way 've just explained it	[01:25]
smickles	they have a contract	[01:25]
rdponticelli	smickles: yeah, there's a signed receipt for 900 shares	[01:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4643 @ 0.00040399 = 1.8757 BTC [-]	[01:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11557 @ 0.0004035 = 4.6632 BTC [-]	[01:25]
rdponticelli	Anyway, the float growed later	[01:25]
smickles	hmm, that complicates things	[01:26]
rdponticelli	But on last dividend the exchange payed only 3 weeks	[01:26]
Diablo-D3	smickles: I dont understand then	[01:26]
rdponticelli	So it seems like they were receiving their dividends through glbse	[01:27]
rdponticelli	mircea said they were paying the rest if/when the issue was solved	[01:27]
smickles	Diablo-D3: it's possible for giga to honor this arrangement with mircea w/o glbse involvement, so the shares have value	[01:28]
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smickles	we'll se what actually happens tho	[01:28]
Diablo-D3	smickles: did mircea buy them directly from giga?	[01:28]
smickles	Diablo-D3: i dunno, but in this possibility, he could've bought them on glbse	[01:29]
Diablo-D3	heh	[01:29]
Diablo-D3	well, I cant do the same	[01:29]
Diablo-D3	I cant honor any of the dmc shares left out there until glbse hands over the data =/	[01:30]
smickles	yeah, those etf shares are unique to this kerfuflle	[01:30]
Diablo-D3	I wonder if I should just write off 800 btc and pretend it never existed	[01:31]
Diablo-D3	it would save a lot of trouble =/	[01:31]
rdponticelli	Maybe we just should pretend bitcoin itself never existed...	[01:33]
rdponticelli	No more trouble :)	[01:33]
smickles	and for that matter ...	[01:34]
rdponticelli	But no more fun :(	[01:34]
Diablo-D3	rdponticelli: honestly, Im thinking about it	[01:34]
smickles	huh, what were we talking about?	[01:34]
rdponticelli	Diablo-D3: you aren't quitting bitcoin, right?	[01:35]
Diablo-D3	rdponticelli: I dont know.	[01:35]
Diablo-D3	I cant say the effort I put into it has been worth it.	[01:35]
thestringpuller	Diablo-D3: write it off!	[01:35]
thestringpuller	Diablo-D3: that's what zynga did	[01:35]
smickles	why does every p2pool block show up in the blockchain.info 'strange transactions' page?	[01:36]
Diablo-D3	blockchain.info doesnt like gen tx spam	[01:37]
Diablo-D3	surprised other pools dont pop up in it too	[01:37]
kakobrekla	00:28.41 ( Diablo-D3 ) smickles: did mircea buy them directly from giga?	[01:38]
kakobrekla	yup	[01:38]
Diablo-D3	kakobrekla: thats why he can verify them, I guess	[01:38]
smickles	well, kakobrekla, by your word, then the etf should be in good shape	[01:38]
thestringpuller	so giga is on mpex now?	[01:38]
kakobrekla	he said he is getting paid directly	[01:38]
smickles	thestringpuller: not exactly,	[01:39]
rdponticelli	kakobrekla: but last dividends, he paid only for 3 weeks	[01:39]
smickles	there has for some time been something like a depositary receipt of gigaminin on mpex	[01:39]
rdponticelli	And said the rest would be paid out if/when the issues got solved	[01:40]
kakobrekla	maybe giga is holding everything back?	[01:40]
rdponticelli	I don't know... he was concerned about legal stuff too...	[01:40]
kakobrekla	well mps words are "i pay what giga pays [directly to me]"	[01:41]
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smickles	dam, now this is a ToS http://www.hashpower.com/?page=terms	[01:46]
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smickles	;;bc,diff	[01:47]
gribble	3054627.5269486	[01:47]
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rdponticelli	kakobrekla: those were mircea's words, on dividend day:	[01:50]
rdponticelli	[09:53:54] [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] [PAID] 1000000 @ 0.00003459 = 34.58804 BTC	[01:50]
rdponticelli	[09:55:38] that's three weeks that were actually paid. if/when giga manages to sort out the glbbq mess there'll be more.	[01:50]
kakobrekla	im guessing he is not doing a partial payment http://gigamining.com/	[01:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52300 @ 0.00040404 = 21.1313 BTC [+]	[01:51]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00040352 = 2.865 BTC [-]	[02:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00040476 = 7.569 BTC [+]	[02:18]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00040476 = 3.1571 BTC [+]	[02:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00040522 = 6.9698 BTC [+]	[02:43]
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smickles	;;seen usagi	[02:49]
gribble	usagi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: We own 2000 shares.. should be good if glbse comes up :/	[02:49]
smickles	;;getrating usagi	[02:59]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User Usagi, rated since Mon Jun 18 09:33:55 2012. Cumulative rating 43, from 28 total ratings. Received ratings: 27 positive, 1 negative. Sent ratings: 32 positive, 2 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Usagi	[02:59]
smickles	;;rated usagi	[03:00]
gribble	You rated user usagi on Mon Sep 17 19:56:21 2012, giving him a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: I have made a limited arangement with ~. we'll se how it goes.	[03:00]
smickles	;;rate usagi -1 I have made a limited arangement with ~. we'll se how it goes. ~ is now late in paying and will have defaulted on the contract by the end of tody if action is not taken.	[03:02]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user usagi has changed from 1 to -1.	[03:02]
smickles	well, really 'today' was over 3 min ago	[03:03]
smickles	but i'll give usagi until today is over in arizona time	[03:04]
Ukto	smickles: lol, you liked my ToS ? :P	[03:04]
BTC-Mining	What kind of arrangement?	[03:04]
smickles	Ukto: it's entertaining, at least :)	[03:05]
BTC-Mining	Usagi better reappear pretty soon.	[03:05]
smickles	BTC-Mining: a loan from s²cm to cpa	[03:05]
Ukto	smickles: I just wanted to be very clear about things up front. :P	[03:05]
BTC-Mining	eh... well with GLBSE having the funds, you know...	[03:05]
smickles	BTC-Mining: glbse paid back funds today	[03:06]
BTC-Mining	Not for everyone as far as I know	[03:06]
BTC-Mining	at least it's not fully completed	[03:06]
smickles	ah, well, also, usagi claimed to have the funds to pay on this contract even after glbse went down	[03:06]
smickles	and mad a payment too, iirc	[03:06]
BTC-Mining	oh	[03:07]
BTC-Mining	So... what is he doing, not showing up?	[03:07]
BTC-Mining	Who will I pay for all those BTC-Mining shares he held in BMF?	[03:07]
smickles	i sent off an email just a moment ago	[03:08]
smickles	today is the last day of a late payment date range	[03:08]
smickles	and I haven't seen/heardfrom usagi for about a week	[03:08]
BTC-Mining	...	[03:09]
smickles	BTC-Mining: want to see the contract? curious?	[03:09]
BTC-Mining	Nah, I'm sure it exists and the exact terms are not really of interest.	[03:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200 @ 0.00040522 = 0.081 BTC [+]	[03:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00040572 = 1.2983 BTC [+]	[03:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00040592 = 8.8085 BTC [+]	[03:10]
BTC-Mining	Well, I might have just earned a few thousands at the expense of BMF's investors -.-	[03:10]
Ukto	wonder when nef. will give out asset lists	[03:11]
Ukto	*if	[03:11]
smickles	BTC-Mining: if i have proof that usagi owes me btc, and you have btc owed to usagi... would you mind sending it on to me :)	[03:11]
BTC-Mining	I don't know how much shares he had. But I suppose if he signed it with his gpg key, I could indeed pay interests to you for his debt.	[03:12]
smickles	BTC-Mining: it's signed alright ;) well wait to see if he defaults in arizona time, instead of UTC tho, give a little wiggleroom	[03:14]
smickles	if anyone is curious, i've decided to post the contract on bitbin	[03:20]
smickles	http://bitbin.it/nPDQRLME	[03:20]
smickles	oh, usagi is about https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114820.msg1271570#msg1271570	[03:22]
smickles	that was about 7 hrs ago	[03:22]
Diablo-D3	I wonder how hes doing	[03:22]
thestringpuller	usagi is hurting bad	[03:23]
smickles	not good if he can't make an ~11 btc payment	[03:23]
thestringpuller	Nyan is pretty much fucked	[03:23]
Diablo-D3	so	[03:25]
smickles	so	[03:25]
Diablo-D3	I dont know =/	[03:26]
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BTC-Mining	"Lol just fuck off dude. You got nothing, and the best you can do is necroaccount and necrothread."	[03:30]
BTC-Mining	Wow... do I need to pick up Usagi's GLBSE account now or what?	[03:31]
thestringpuller	Usagi has lost his mind.	[03:31]
smickles	BTC-Mining: awesome, eh? as he was about 7 hours (if we're using utc time) away from defaulting on a contract	[03:31]
thestringpuller	smickles: is he late?	[03:32]
smickles	not only late, thestringpuller, but outside of the late payment clause	[03:32]
smickles	thestringpuller: http://bitbin.it/nPDQRLME	[03:32]
smickles	check blockchain.info for the payment dates	[03:33]
thestringpuller	okay	[03:33]
thestringpuller	smickles: daaaaamn	[03:34]
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thestringpuller	So he's in default?	[03:35]
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smickles	thestringpuller: depends on what timezone we're using	[03:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00040469 = 0.607 BTC [-]	[03:36]
smickles	if UTC, then yes	[03:36]
thestringpuller	i know usagi works in japan	[03:37]
thestringpuller	so maybe not utc?	[03:37]
thestringpuller	I feel a little bad for him. CPA was a pretty neat company.	[03:37]
smickles	if we go by jst, then he has about 8 hours to make an (approx.) 11 btc payment to hold off default, but remain late on todays payment	[03:39]
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thestringpuller	Dude the btc economy is tanking	[03:42]
thestringpuller	looking at mtgox live just makes me sad	[03:42]
Diablo-D3	http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/384355_4066797863173_618082375_n.jpg	[03:44]
BTC-Mining	what the heck are you talking about, thestringpuller?	[03:44]
smickles	Diablo-D3: :D	[03:44]
noagendamarket	lol	[03:44]
smickles	BTC-Mining: probably the declining volume over time	[03:45]
thestringpuller	yea	[03:45]
thestringpuller	declining volume over time	[03:45]
thestringpuller	lol	[03:45]
thestringpuller	I thought we were in the clear and it would stabilize at 12 USD	[03:45]
thestringpuller	but nope	[03:45]
thestringpuller	still on the rollercoaster	[03:45]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[03:45]
gribble	Best bid: 11.7122, Best ask: 11.75268, Bid-ask spread: 0.04048, Last trade: 11.79, 24 hour volume: 23280, 24 hour low: 11.496, 24 hour high: 12.03	[03:45]
noagendamarket	going back to 2 P	[03:45]
smickles	;;bc,24hprc	[03:45]
gribble	11.82	[03:45]
BTC-Mining	seems pretty minor	[03:45]
BTC-Mining	of a drop	[03:45]
BTC-Mining	just someone dropping a lot of BTC	[03:46]
smickles	wow, .1 usd off of the 24 hour weighted average?	[03:46]
thestringpuller	in comparison to pirate's default or the gawker bubble	[03:46]
noagendamarket	nefario is dumping :D	[03:46]
thestringpuller	XD	[03:46]
BTC-Mining	Nefario actually paid out =/	[03:47]
dub	no he didnt	[03:47]
smickles	lol, i mean, it's likely nefario has/had more btc than I do, but damn, i'm sure he's a small fish	[03:47]
BTC-Mining	I got paid my account in full	[03:48]
BTC-Mining	and there's many other people claiming to have been paid =/	[03:48]
smickles	1 of 3 of my accounts was paid	[03:48]
dub	nobody is claiming he restored the former value of their shares	[03:48]
BTC-Mining	yeah, I was strictly talking of balances	[03:48]
smickles	does any sane person expect that?	[03:48]
thestringpuller	he hasn't released information to the issuers yet...	[03:49]
thestringpuller	also why isn't the SEC going after MPEX?	[03:49]
noagendamarket	hes bl;ackmailing the BG partners over it	[03:49]
smickles	thestringpuller: mpex falls under the romainian version of the sec, if at all	[03:50]
noagendamarket	unless he basically gets everything thats left over after the payouts he wont release the asset details	[03:50]
BTC-Mining	the SEC has no freaking jurisdiction around the whole freaking globe	[03:50]
smickles	thestringpuller: those romainian lawyers see bitcoin as WOW gold	[03:50]
noagendamarket	ie extortion	[03:50]
dub	smickles: as long as these 'sane' people aren't also congratulating nefario on handling this in the best way possible	[03:51]
smickles	and the mpex securities as part of a computer game	[03:51]
smickles	dub: that sort of 'sane' person would be an asshat	[03:51]
BTC-Mining	Can people stop talking about the SEC like it was some global organisation?	[03:51]
BTC-Mining	It's US only	[03:52]
thestringpuller	Just like the CIA is US only :P	[03:52]
dub	theres basically no way to cut it that doesnt paint nefario is a moronic scammer	[03:52]
Diablo-D3	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rboByPlU4IM	[03:53]
BTC-Mining	Well, unless someone proves me he's been blackmailing, I can only know for sure that he's a poor decision maker.	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	o hallo.	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	whats	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	new ?	[03:53]
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mircea_popescu	EskimoBob explain this cool concept of assets-otc.	[03:54]
smickles	mircea_popescu: new: http://bitbin.it/nPDQRLME (but not exactly glbse)	[03:55]
thestringpuller	Diablo-D3: that's a funny video	[03:55]
pigeons	mircea_popescu: < noagendamarket> unless he [nefario] basically gets everything thats left over after the payouts he wont release the asset details	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	rdponticelli the float growed a little, but it wasn't ever much more than 1.2-1.3k or so.	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	and at the time glbse went bust it was ~1.08k iirc	[03:56]
pigeons	smickles: did CPA need to make payouts at some point? is that what the loan was for?	[03:56]
rdponticelli	mircea_popescu: yes, I know	[03:56]
smickles	pigeons: depending on the timezone you use, usagi/cpa is about to or has just recently defaulted	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla that buy was pre-glbse ipo, giga delivered shares on glbse, it's not a private agreement in any way.	[03:57]
rdponticelli	And is allowed by the contract, as long as you have the backinv	[03:57]
noagendamarket	Usagi borrowed coins to pump and dump BMA lol	[03:57]
smickles	pigeons: "3. Payments will be made each Sunday until six payments have been made.	[03:57]
smickles	"	[03:57]
pigeons	smickles: yeah i was wondering what cpa's purpose was for the original loan. did they use it to pay something they insured??	[03:57]
pigeons	its one thing for usagi to be a tool, its another that he got mad when people pointed it out	[03:58]
smickles	pigeons: oh, i think it may have been used to buy back shares of something or other	[03:58]
smickles	but that would be a speculative statement	[03:58]
pigeons	well good luck with recovery	[03:59]
kakobrekla	ah mircea_popescu, so you are glbse dependend... sorry then, i was sure you werent.	[03:59]
noagendamarket	usagi bouhgt back his own personal shares :P	[03:59]
pigeons	well usagi is concentrating on paying rent	[04:00]
pigeons	he borrowed against his salary	[04:01]
pigeons	s/he	[04:01]
thestringpuller	oh man	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	unless he basically gets everything thats left over after the payouts he wont release the asset details <<< and to think you've been an ass all over the forum @ the girl.	[04:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.0004035 = 12.8313 BTC [-]	[04:02]
noagendamarket	meh	[04:02]
smickles	pigeons: if he knew that he couldn't pay, then he should've at least contacted me to work something out	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	pigeons i was just reading that, didn't know they're leaking it out now.	[04:03]
dub	is gox fucked?	[04:03]
pigeons	smickles: absolutely. i'm not excusing shim	[04:03]
smickles	shim :)	[04:03]
thestringpuller	lol	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla inasmuch as the giga holdings, i was. guy wouldn't keep it private, what can i tell you.	[04:03]
noagendamarket	lol	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	not like i didn't suggest it.	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	why is gox fucked ?!	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[04:04]
gribble	Best bid: 11.57411, Best ask: 11.5999, Bid-ask spread: 0.02579, Last trade: 11.57411, 24 hour volume: 23229, 24 hour low: 11.496, 24 hour high: 12.03	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	meh.	[04:04]
dub	slow loads, ajax faggotry broken	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	that's periodic with them neh ?	[04:05]
smickles	oh jeez, i don't recall if i was long or short with my option position :o	[04:05]
dub	possibly the shitcocks operating my corp network	[04:05]
thestringpuller	FUCK	[04:05]
thestringpuller	gox is plummeting	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[04:06]
gribble	Best bid: 11.57411, Best ask: 11.5998, Bid-ask spread: 0.02569, Last trade: 11.57419, 24 hour volume: 23239, 24 hour low: 11.496, 24 hour high: 12.03	[04:06]
dub	FUCK SELL ALL THE COINS	[04:06]
pigeons	not that bad $11.50-6-	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	wtf lol.	[04:06]
BTC-Mining	I also complained about "the girl", not for believing that GLBSE was a scam (She's free to believe whatever she wants) but for supporting her claims with unfounded statements and speculations which were false and presented as established facts.	[04:06]
dub	thestringpuller: first week in bitcoin eh?	[04:06]
BTC-Mining	I'd think so...	[04:07]
thestringpuller	dub: no I just didn't think the damage done by GLBSE would reach this far	[04:07]
thestringpuller	I was thinking stability at around 11.98	[04:07]
noagendamarket	its gonna get worse	[04:07]
dub	thestringpuller: I'd suggest its not, this is a tiny movement	[04:07]
BTC-Mining	That's a very minor movement	[04:07]
pigeons	pretty meaningless	[04:07]
BTC-Mining	Check the 1 month chart on GLBSE	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining on one hand that's a gross exaggeration, on the other there's little similarity between you and the bitcoin.me fellow.	[04:08]
thestringpuller	BTC-Mining: who is "the girl" sounds like a spy	[04:08]
BTC-Mining	MPEx's PR person	[04:08]
pigeons	"the girl" is what mircea_popescu calls himself when we talk on skype	[04:08]
BTC-Mining	Conveniently known as MPOE-PR	[04:08]
noagendamarket	lol	[04:08]
thestringpuller	LOL	[04:08]
noagendamarket	s/he	[04:09]
Diablo-D3	https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=how+long+until+the+end+of+the+world	[04:09]
dub	the real question is, where is the uncropped avatar pic	[04:09]
Diablo-D3	AAAAAAAAAAAAARGH	[04:09]
smickles	another shim	[04:09]
noagendamarket	why are there so many traps in bitcoinland ?	[04:09]
noagendamarket	:P	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	pigeons we talk on skype !?	[04:09]
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dub	Diablo-D3: that'll e why nefario closed glbse..	[04:10]
noagendamarket	the MPOE avatar is cropped so you cant see its penis	[04:10]
dub	be*	[04:10]
noagendamarket	lol	[04:10]
dub	noagendamarket: exactly, NEEDS MOAR PENIX	[04:10]
pigeons	skype/adultfriendfinder/chatroulette/whatever	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	why are you all such fags	[04:10]
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dub	mircea_popescu: internet	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	o right.	[04:11]
noagendamarket	too much /b/	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	carry onwards.	[04:11]
BTC-Mining	BTC-Mining on one hand that's a gross exaggeration	[04:11]
thestringpuller	MPOE-PR is an illusion...	[04:12]
thestringpuller	hmm	[04:12]
BTC-Mining	What? She claimed among other things, for example, that Usagi was appointed by Nefario to manage a review panel deciding on what would or would not be allowed on GLBSE.	[04:12]
*	smickles is now known as jesica	[04:12]
pigeons	hey baby	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining that's afaik the only thing she said that you actually disputed, and you disputed it by your own testimony.	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	re-read your statement above, compare with "1 case where i personally don't agree with what she said". it doesn't wash.	[04:12]
jesica	what's up, hot stuff kisu kisu	[04:12]
pigeons	asl?	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	jesica = jcpham ?	[04:13]
BTC-Mining	yeah, but her posting history if full of such contested facts which she eventually admits she doesn't actually know if they're true or not.	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining links.	[04:13]
jesica	19/f/romanistan	[04:13]
pigeons	greatest country in the world	[04:13]
thestringpuller	murica?	[04:13]
Diablo-D3	https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=how%20long%20until%20the%20end%20of%20the%20world	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	is that where all the gypsies are ?	[04:13]
Diablo-D3	phew	[04:13]
pigeons	my sister is #1 prostiture in all of romanistan	[04:13]
jesica	She claimed among other things, for example, that Usagi was appointed by Nefario to manage a review panel deciding on what would or would not be allowed on GLBSE."" << i know that claim to be tru and have email logs of the pannel	[04:13]
BTC-Mining	arf, I don't want to browse her history again. But next time I see one, I'll report it to you if you want	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining lol actually, i think if i dig in the logs i can find usagi making the exact claim.	[04:14]
Diablo-D3	wait	[04:14]
Diablo-D3	did someone just claim they're 19 and female?	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	then again you can prolly find usagi making any claim you arbitrarily want to check for.	[04:14]
jesica	;)	[04:14]
Diablo-D3	damnit smickles	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	lol it was smix ?! omg.	[04:14]
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mircea_popescu	total troll, whodda thunk it. he looks so prim and proper...	[04:15]
thestringpuller	usagi sound controversial...	[04:15]
thestringpuller	sounds*	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	well he seemed ok for a while but then turned complete bonkerette.	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	which is like tourette except with stupidcrazy.	[04:15]
BTC-Mining	True, she based her fact on something Usagi claimed...	[04:15]
smickles	given enough time, the controversial rate of any bitcoiner goes to 1	[04:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 7800 @ 0.0032 = 24.96 BTC [-]	[04:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 67200 @ 0.00337 = 226.464 BTC [+]	[04:16]
BTC-Mining	but Usagi... is that really a source?	[04:16]
Diablo-D3	USAGI LIESSSS	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	well he'd have been a party you know ?	[04:16]
smickles	BTC-Mining: is this about that pannel existing?	[04:16]
Diablo-D3	actually, if usagi is supposed to be a japanese princess	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	fuck can keep track of it all, but it hardly amounts to what you're making out of it i think.	[04:16]
Diablo-D3	you'd think we could get a statement from a professional tentacle deamon on this	[04:17]
thestringpuller	LOL	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	ahaha Diablo-D3 wins interwebs	[04:17]
BTC-Mining	No, about Usagi managing said panel and panel having authority to determine if assets were to be listed or not.	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	but wait. as to the later part : what else was it a panel for ? masturbatory onanism ?	[04:17]
BTC-Mining	He never was appointed by Nefario or given any decisive power	[04:17]
dub	wait, you mean usagi isnt a samurai rabbit?	[04:17]
thestringpuller	XD	[04:17]
BTC-Mining	dub: NO, oh GOD, NO!	[04:17]
Diablo-D3	usagi said there was going to be a panel and the glbse board signed off on it	[04:17]
Diablo-D3	nefario and usagi both said a few lies about that	[04:18]
noagendamarket	no there wasnt :P	[04:18]
BTC-Mining	As far as I know, there never was such a thing. Usagi proposed it and Nefario was considering.	[04:18]
Diablo-D3	no, nefario actually was repeating what usagi said	[04:18]
Diablo-D3	and then suddenly denied it	[04:18]
BTC-Mining	Yeah, something like that	[04:18]
noagendamarket	Nefario says a lot of things that are out there	[04:18]
Diablo-D3	so Im not sure who was lying	[04:18]
BTC-Mining	On the other hand mircea_popescu	[04:19]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining the problem with nefario's statements is that he often contradicts what he pretended last time	[04:19]
noagendamarket	such as "your fake shares are real"	[04:19]
noagendamarket	LOL	[04:19]
mircea_popescu	i tend to recall this ridiculous Ven thing being a bluechip asset.	[04:19]
noagendamarket	yes it was	[04:19]
smickles	heh, BTC-Mining have you seen the founding post of that group?	[04:19]
Diablo-D3	noagendamarket: or "dmc will be shut down, diablo will go to bitcoin prison, and we'll get down to the truth"	[04:19]
Diablo-D3	and then he discovered the truth and didnt quite like it.	[04:19]
BTC-Mining	I also seem to have killed a scam accusation against MPEx	[04:19]
dub	did usagi get tagged in the end?	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	oh ?	[04:20]
BTC-Mining	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102333.msg1249202#msg1249202	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	o yea, that. good point actually.	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	i guess it wasn't immediately obvious to people that as long as they keep the deposit slip they can prove depositing	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	in truth, much of the beauty of gpg is lost on the avg internet user.	[04:21]
BTC-Mining	I must admit I don't really keep them =/	[04:21]
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noagendamarket	lol Jonathan ERyan owens doesnt even have a scammer tag and Nefario does	[04:21]
noagendamarket	After he stole 9000 bitcoins :D	[04:22]
mircea_popescu	neither does kludge, nor that tradehill guy	[04:22]
mircea_popescu	w/e his name is	[04:22]
mircea_popescu	mckenna	[04:22]
thestringpuller	whatever happened to tradehill	[04:22]
BTC-Mining	But yeah, if I wanted to keep them/have a proof, it's all there	[04:22]
smickles	http://bitbin.it/9d8MqgBV	[04:22]
smickles	.title	[04:22]
markac	smickles: GLBSE Asset Review Board - BitBin	[04:22]
noagendamarket	well JRO and the tradehilol guy are working together	[04:22]
mircea_popescu	noagendamarket yes, at real estate development. with money. that they...umm... had.	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	all along.	[04:23]
smickles	what i posted there are the exact words describing the glbse pannel usagi used	[04:23]
pigeons	yeah but no more scamming for them, now it's real estate ;)	[04:23]
BTC-Mining	Yeah, it ended up being a suggestion only panel, not decision making panel.	[04:23]
noagendamarket	LOL im waiting for them to hire bruce	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller well they claimed that dwolla stole their money and closed.	[04:23]
noagendamarket	wagner	[04:23]
BTC-Mining	And Nefario never actually gave Usagi management of the panel list	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	its still unclear how much money they made off with tho.	[04:23]
smickles	BTC-Mining: yeah, that was lol, wasn't it	[04:24]
thestringpuller	man den of thieves...	[04:24]
noagendamarket	Nefario wont take suggestions from hisown shareholders ffs	[04:24]
thestringpuller	people need to manage their businesses better	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	maybe tghey just hire ed, and bruce starts shittalking them.	[04:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54900 @ 0.00040367 = 22.1615 BTC [+]	[04:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10013 @ 0.00040592 = 4.0645 BTC [+]	[04:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46200 @ 0.00040612 = 18.7627 BTC [+]	[04:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10896 @ 0.00040617 = 4.4256 BTC [+]	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	besides, is bruce wagner even his real name ? iirc it was some famous guy in thr 50s	[04:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61400 @ 0.00040651 = 24.9597 BTC [+]	[04:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00040804 = 12.5268 BTC [+]	[04:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20548 @ 0.00040869 = 8.3978 BTC [+]	[04:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45298 @ 0.00040916 = 18.5341 BTC [+]	[04:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00041062 = 0.4927 BTC [+]	[04:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00041243 = 6.4339 BTC [+]	[04:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00041287 = 10.7759 BTC [+]	[04:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52600 @ 0.00041436 = 21.7953 BTC [+]	[04:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00041788 = 4.0743 BTC [+]	[04:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1414795 @ 0.00042 = 594.2139 BTC [+]	[04:25]
pigeons	go mpoe	[04:25]
smickles	the rocket is a go	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	people keep charging at my wall all day	[04:25]
smickles	well, with btc tanking, those shares look cheaper and cheaper	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	i guess so.	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	not sure what people are so excited about, i doubt this month will equal last.	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	then again, only halfway in.	[04:26]
noagendamarket	scammers have performed a 51% attack :P	[04:27]
smickles	orly?	[04:27]
noagendamarket	yeah they own the majority of bitcoins lol	[04:27]
mircea_popescu	well seriously, outside of the adam&mark bunch over at mtgox, who exactly is trustworthy atm	[04:28]
noagendamarket	everything is shady as	[04:28]
smickles	well, no one in this room, ofc	[04:28]
smickles	that pigeons, least of all	[04:29]
thestringpuller	lol scammers own 50% of the bitcoins	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	i guess the gold people, casascicusasciuscu, coingenuity and who else... that us gold coins thing still in business ?	[04:30]
smickles	dude,	[04:31]
smickles	.py 35.6743594023 / 30	[04:31]
markac	1.18914531341	[04:31]
thestringpuller	casascius makes some good stuff	[04:31]
BTC-Mining	yeah, who trust pigeons? They only tarnish monuments in cities and steal food. Not very trustable.	[04:31]
smickles	my bot has made 18% in about a week	[04:31]
noagendamarket	spendbitcoins is trustworthy	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	pigeons can be trusted to make a pretty decent meal...	[04:31]
dub	yeah.. aslo syphalis	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	and i guess the guy with the blockchain wallet.	[04:31]
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mircea_popescu	even theymos made a good impression in the end with his entire shares thing.	[04:32]
BTC-Mining	A bit? What kind of bot?	[04:32]
noagendamarket	satoshi left because eventually everyone will end up with a scammer tag lol	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	no actually, if you actually hanker down and count heads, the scammers aren't a majority. they just seem like it cause they get more press.	[04:32]
BTC-Mining	A bot?*	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	when's the last time anyone bothered with the good people.	[04:32]
smickles	BTC-Mining: all it's doing is taking the bitfloor liquidity rebate	[04:32]
thestringpuller	smickles is good people	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	ya but he's married.	[04:33]
thestringpuller	isn't nefario married?	[04:33]
noagendamarket	yes	[04:33]
thestringpuller	and has kids?	[04:33]
noagendamarket	yes	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	must suck if any of their schoolmates had glbse shares.	[04:33]
smickles	hey, i'm married and have a kid	[04:33]
thestringpuller	married people = trustworthy?	[04:34]
thestringpuller	need to get me a wife then	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	better get a husband.	[04:34]
smickles	lol	[04:34]
BTC-Mining	No, married people are less trustworthy and more at the same time. More because they can't afford prison... less because they can't afford prison...	[04:34]
smickles	changing times, eh	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	confucius say, two husbands more trustworthy than one.	[04:34]
smickles	i should've married that tree when i had the chance	[04:35]
noagendamarket	yeah they can use leverqage on married people	[04:35]
BTC-Mining	smickles: wow, a tree? You totally should have.	[04:35]
mircea_popescu	was it a beech ?	[04:35]
mircea_popescu	(o sorry, i mean birtch)	[04:35]
smickles	dammit mircea_popescu, stealing my thunder	[04:35]
mircea_popescu	lol me?!	[04:36]
thestringpuller	"The king asks Archimedes to determine if a present he's received is actually solid gold. Unsolved problem at the time. It tortures the great Greek mathematician for weeks - insomnia haunts him and he twists and turns in his bed for nights on end. Finally, his equally exhausted wife - she's forced to share a bed with this genius - convinces him to take a bath to relax. While he's entering the tub, Archimedes not	[04:36]
smickles	cliff hanger	[04:36]
noagendamarket	lol	[04:36]
thestringpuller	the moral is listen to your wife!	[04:36]
noagendamarket	sniper ?	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	archimedes wasn't even married, it was his slavegirl cooksucker.	[04:37]
noagendamarket	candlejack ?	[04:37]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu LOL	[04:37]
smickles	i thought you wern't supposed to mention that guy noagendamarket	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	but srsly, we don't know if he was ever married or had kids.	[04:38]
novusordo	cooksucker? she sucked at cooking?	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	it'd seem he was alone at the time of death tho	[04:38]
thestringpuller	that was a quote from the movie Pi	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	novusordo you're mispronouncing it :D	[04:38]
thestringpuller	btw	[04:38]
noagendamarket	Im 80% sure someone yhas purchased slaves for bitcoin	[04:38]
thestringpuller	That made me a little sad noagendamarket	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	then again 80% of statistics are only true 20% of the time.	[04:38]
BTC-Mining	[21:38] cooksucker? she sucked at cooking?	[04:38]
BTC-Mining	No, Archimedes was the cook...	[04:39]
noagendamarket	hahah cooksucker	[04:39]
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coingenuity	mircea_popescu: :)	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	o look, it lives!	[04:43]
coingenuity	heh	[04:44]
coingenuity	how goes it	[04:44]
coingenuity	go figure, i was distracted sending work emails :P	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	someone said the scammers managed a 51% attack so we were counting people	[04:44]
coingenuity	ah, lol	[04:44]
noagendamarket	using bitcoin is like wearing a miniskirt at 12am in a city...you might not get raped but it increases the odds	[04:45]
coingenuity	XD	[04:45]
dub	you might not ognna get raped	[04:46]
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mircea_popescu	one can't rape the willing.	[04:46]
dub	correct, and miniskirt == willing	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	no, miniskirt = able	[04:47]
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novusordo	well, unless she's wearing a locked chastity belt and left the key at home	[04:49]
noagendamarket	she still has a mouth	[04:50]
noagendamarket	:P	[04:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00040857 = 17.7319 BTC [-]	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	few are that brave.	[04:51]
noagendamarket	probably dont want to go near anything with teeth though :P	[04:51]
coingenuity	man, i should buy some more cymbals	[04:51]
dub	confusious say: broken jaw bites no cock	[04:51]
noagendamarket	wtf	[04:51]
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BTC-Mining	Alien says: I could bioengineer your human females with retractable teeth in the neither region so they can bit off rapists	[04:53]
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dub	they tried that in africa	[04:53]
coingenuity	whoa	[04:53]
coingenuity	wtf	[04:53]
coingenuity	meinl cymbals are cheap	[04:53]
*	coingenuity buys collection	[04:54]
BTC-Mining	Alien also says: I could even add an instinct to devour their partner for further nourishment of the offsprings	[04:54]
dub	spikey fleshlight thing that inserts in vagoo to 'discourage rape'	[04:54]
dub	in fact it 'guaranteed murder'	[04:54]
coingenuity	oh actually, not cheap at all	[04:54]
coingenuity	$610 for a ride cymbal	[04:54]
BTC-Mining	dub: oh, that...	[04:55]
coingenuity	*_x	[04:55]
BTC-Mining	yeah, seems nice	[04:55]
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mircea_popescu	dub i remember reading about that.	[04:56]
BTC-Mining	Gets the genitals entraped in a nice inward razorsharp teethed tunnel	[04:58]
noagendamarket	:O	[04:58]
BTC-Mining	Free permanent adornment when you pull out.	[04:58]
BTC-Mining	You might want to go to the hospital to get it removed, but it kind of shows everyone you forced yourself into a woman	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	in south africa that's actually a point of pride.	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	literally.	[05:00]
noagendamarket	its like waearing an earring ?	[05:00]
BTC-Mining	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-rape_device#Rape-aXe	[05:01]
BTC-Mining	Read about it... seems nice	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	.g rape culture south africa	[05:02]
markac	mircea_popescu: http://takimag.com/article/south_africas_rape_culture_hannes_wessels/print	[05:02]
dub	mircea_popescu: what raping people?	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	not people. women.	[05:02]
dub	oh, theres also the whole 'rape cures aids' thing	[05:02]
dub	if you rape enough virgins your aids is cured	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	sounds legit.	[05:03]
dub	works really well now that o/~ everyone has aids o/~	[05:03]
dub	goddamnit	[05:04]
dub	mrs dub is on holiday in tropical location, keeps sending me pictures to enjoy while slaving at my desk	[05:04]
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BTC-Mining	[22:02] oh, theres also the whole 'rape cures aids' thing	[05:05]
noagendamarket	aids cures rape ...eventually	[05:06]
BTC-Mining	You are mistaken my little friend. The myth is that if you rape enough virgins while you got AIDS, you'll be like everyone once again. Except everyone now has AIDS.	[05:07]
BTC-Mining	Just returns you to being like the majority, really.	[05:07]
dub	pretty sure its not	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	.g rape cures aids	[05:08]
markac	mircea_popescu: http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/babyrape.asp	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	i guess it has to be babies ?	[05:08]
noagendamarket	fucked up	[05:08]
dub	its been widely reported for years	[05:08]
dub	well decades	[05:09]
dub	of course not much of anything is reported in 'murrica	[05:09]
thestringpuller	that's really fucked up	[05:10]
dub	I think it was einstein that said 'what has africa ever given us, apart from aids'	[05:10]
noagendamarket	Obama ?	[05:11]
noagendamarket	kenya gave us Obama :P	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	also really fast runners	[05:11]
dub	aint he one o dem musilins	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	actually... this is now making sense. really fast runners...	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	people who can jump...	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	yah.	[05:12]
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noagendamarket	you would run too if people are trying to rape your baby	[05:13]
BTC-Mining	[22:10] I think it was einstein that said 'what has africa ever given us, apart from aids'	[05:13]
dub	thats just genetics, only the fast ones escape form slavers/police	[05:13]
BTC-Mining	Slaves. Once upon a time in some very cheerful bedtime stories, European cultures thought Africans were free-to-take laborers just idling there doing nothing waiting for masters.	[05:13]
BTC-Mining	Seems like it was the most stupid idea ever.	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining actually, it was locals selling them mostly.	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	the dutch just landed the ships and the local chieftains sprung up the goods.	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	much alike how things go today, actually, you'll be accosted by men with offers of fresh cunt multiple times a week.	[05:14]
BTC-Mining	Eh, true, they were kidnapping each others tribes too.	[05:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00041189 = 6.7962 BTC [+]	[05:16]
BTC-Mining	But were the slaves' children considered slaves too?	[05:16]
dub	yes	[05:16]
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dub	well usually	[05:16]
BTC-Mining	eh, well some still just went on expedition to take them.	[05:16]
dub	they are sometimes all that is left after you eat the adults	[05:16]
dub	oh wait, we're still talkign about africa	[05:17]
BTC-Mining	There's still tons of negative repercussions till this day.	[05:17]
smickles	lol, "bacon wrapped shit"	[05:17]
BTC-Mining	dub: -.-	[05:17]
BTC-Mining	smickles: -.-	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	i dunno how slaves in africa could have had children	[05:17]
smickles	BTC-Mining: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=115441.msg1254742#msg1254742	[05:17]
*	dub decends from tribe who owned (and ate) slaves	[05:17]
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noagendamarket	some of the convicts sent to Australia descended into cannibalism a few times	[05:19]
copumpkin	descended?	[05:19]
copumpkin	ascended more like	[05:19]
copumpkin	human is delicious	[05:19]
*	dub suspected copumpkin was a reptilian	[05:20]
noagendamarket	ewww bacon wrapped shit	[05:20]
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Azelphur	I always thought he was a cooperative pumpkin	[05:20]
novusordo	pumpkin is also delicious	[05:20]
*	novusordo eyes copumpkin	[05:20]
noagendamarket	*would be funny if copumpkin was a cop the whole time	[05:21]
BTC-Mining	smickles, I meant, your statement was very badly placed out of context	[05:21]
smickles	keep your eyes off my gourd	[05:21]
Azelphur	fedpumpkin	[05:21]
smickles	BTC-Mining: oh, i see it now	[05:21]
noagendamarket	you cant say he didnt tell you = entrapment cos it was in his name the whole time	[05:22]
noagendamarket	lol	[05:22]
copumpkin	noagendamarket: that's also bullshit :)	[05:22]
noagendamarket	jj	[05:22]
copumpkin	http://thecriminallawyer.tumblr.com/post/19810672629/12-i-was-entrapped :)	[05:22]
BTC-Mining	smickles: indeed	[05:23]
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thestringpuller	bitcoin funded spaceship	[05:35]
thestringpuller	yeaaa	[05:35]
thestringpuller	that would rule	[05:35]
dub	spacebits	[05:36]
smickles	;;ticker	[05:36]
gribble	Best bid: 11.552, Best ask: 11.65, Bid-ask spread: 0.09800, Last trade: 11.65091, 24 hour volume: 23792, 24 hour low: 11.496, 24 hour high: 12.03	[05:36]
smickles	;;bc,24hprc	[05:37]
gribble	11.81	[05:37]
smickles	wait	[05:38]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[05:38]
gribble	Best bid: 11.55001, Best ask: 11.6499, Bid-ask spread: 0.09989, Last trade: 11.55001, 24 hour volume: 23794, 24 hour low: 11.496, 24 hour high: 12.03	[05:38]
smickles	japan is /+/ 9 hours from utc	[05:39]
smickles	!!	[05:39]
thestringpuller	yea	[05:39]
thestringpuller	ot	[05:39]
smickles	it's been tomorrow for like 11.5 hour!	[05:39]
thestringpuller	international dateline	[05:39]
thestringpuller	it's monday there	[05:39]
thestringpuller	well almost tuesday...	[05:39]
dub	timezones, how do they work	[05:39]
smickles	usagi has totally defaulted	[05:39]
thestringpuller	poor usagi	[05:39]
smickles	"totally"	[05:39]
thestringpuller	I had faith in his companies	[05:39]
thestringpuller	guess he's gone the way of the scammers	[05:39]
dub	I had faith in it scamming	[05:40]
thestringpuller	either that or he's broke...	[05:40]
smickles	;;rate usagi -3 defaulted on this: http://bitbin.it/nPDQRLME	[05:40]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user usagi has changed from -1 to -3.	[05:40]
thestringpuller	oh man :(	[05:40]
thestringpuller	sorry you got jipped smickles	[05:40]
dub	smickles got GIPPT	[05:41]
smickles	thestringpuller: thanks for the sympathy	[05:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00041354 = 9.0565 BTC [+]	[05:41]
noagendamarket	smickles are you going to make a forum post about it ?	[05:41]
smickles	noagendamarket: i'm about to	[05:42]
noagendamarket	good	[05:42]
noagendamarket	I expect there will be a few tags coming soon :(	[05:42]
*	thestringpuller gets some popcorn	[05:42]
thestringpuller	this will be good	[05:42]
thestringpuller	better than reality tv	[05:43]
thestringpuller	it's reality	[05:43]
BTC-Mining	Guess I might end up paying Usagi's debt	[05:43]
smickles	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118507.0 there it is	[05:46]
dub	I should start a scam calling service	[05:48]
dub	I'm at 100% accuracy	[05:48]
thestringpuller	Do scams have to be malcious in intent (take the money and run) or can it just be inept business practices?	[05:48]
BTC-Mining	Good for you	[05:48]
thestringpuller	like for instance someone having all their money under a mattress and the house burns down...	[05:49]
BTC-Mining	I would say they would have to be malicious intent. Otherwise we'd call that mismanagement/ineptitude.	[05:49]
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BTC-Mining	Like for murder, it has to be a malicious intent. If it's accidental and you're at fault, it's not murder but manslaughter	[05:49]
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thestringpuller	BTC-Mining: why are you going to assume Usagi's debt?	[05:50]
BTC-Mining	Only if he doesn't claim his BTC-Mining shares	[05:50]
BTC-Mining	I would pay interest to smickles instead	[05:50]
BTC-Mining	Until this debt is paid off	[05:50]
thestringpuller	I see cause you'll retain those outstanding shares of Usagi?	[05:51]
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BTC-Mining	Indeed	[05:51]
noagendamarket	yep	[05:51]
thestringpuller	Are scammer tags reversable? or is it pretty much a done deal?	[05:51]
BTC-Mining	If he claims them at a later date, he'd have no more debt but less dividends owed.	[05:51]
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BTC-Mining	Reversable.	[05:51]
noagendamarket	thats if nefario ecver gets his ass into gear lol	[05:51]
smickles	thestringpuller: reversable	[05:51]
BTC-Mining	Just like negative ratings here	[05:52]
BTC-Mining	You should not be afraid to put them up temporarily until matter are resolved.	[05:52]
BTC-Mining	Sets red flags for others to see until matters are resolved	[05:52]
thestringpuller	Good way to keep newbies from walking into traps...	[05:52]
thestringpuller	Usagi is going to have a field day	[05:53]
smickles	< BTC-Mining> I would pay interest to smickles instead << that's honorable, thank you for even considering it :)	[05:53]
thestringpuller	this all started cause he had too much exposure to priate	[05:53]
thestringpuller	pirate*	[05:53]
noagendamarket	so did a lot of people :(	[05:54]
thestringpuller	well if your an insurance company you need to mitigate your risks appropriately	[05:54]
thestringpuller	otherwise if shit hits the fan the only thing you can do is merge with another insurance company	[05:55]
thestringpuller	his policy reserves were depleted during the default and never recovered	[05:55]
noagendamarket	the idea of a btc insurance company at this stage is retarded	[05:55]
smickles	thestringpuller: i think it was glbse going down that did 'em in	[05:55]
thestringpuller	that's what really did him in	[05:56]
thestringpuller	a btc insurance company is brilliant imho	[05:56]
noagendamarket	glbse was the final straw	[05:56]
thestringpuller	if it's run correctly	[05:56]
BTC-Mining	I was completly spared from piratey troubles for avoiding pirate altogether	[05:56]
noagendamarket	not with all the scammers it isnt	[05:56]
BTC-Mining	Except a bit of margin trading on the various bonds	[05:56]
thestringpuller	that's what underwriting is for	[05:56]
BTC-Mining	I like flipping things	[05:56]
thestringpuller	noagendamarket: if you have good underwriting you limit your exposure to scams	[05:56]
thestringpuller	also unlicensed insurance is kind of a big no no	[05:58]
noagendamarket	nothing in btc land is insurable imho	[05:58]
thestringpuller	noagendamarket: that's because there is no stable investments to put your policy surplus into to make a decent ROI	[05:59]
thestringpuller	everyone defaults left and right	[05:59]
noagendamarket	yah	[05:59]
thestringpuller	the only option i would see is liquidating the surplus and putting it into global markets	[06:00]
noagendamarket	the thing that killed glbse was pirate too :P	[06:00]
thestringpuller	The way I see CPA is that they were exposed to pirate, and they invested in pirate pt	[06:01]
thestringpuller	so when he defaulted, he had to pay out pirate policies, and he lost money on the investments	[06:01]
thestringpuller	so when pirate defaulted*	[06:01]
thestringpuller	maybe I'm oversimplifying...=	[06:02]
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noagendamarket	na that sounds right	[06:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35267 @ 0.00041354 = 14.5843 BTC [+]	[06:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00041636 = 3.8721 BTC [+]	[06:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8421 @ 0.00042 = 3.5368 BTC [+]	[06:07]
noagendamarket	scammers and the lack of non defaulting assets really kills the idea	[06:07]
thestringpuller	Patrick Harnett seems to never default...	[06:08]
noagendamarket	lool	[06:08]
thestringpuller	or maybe I just don't know him well enough	[06:08]
qwebirc556225	what's the reason behind recent fall in price	[06:10]
qwebirc556225	if there is any	[06:10]
qwebirc556225	?	[06:10]
noagendamarket	bitcoin sucks	[06:11]
noagendamarket	lol	[06:11]
smickles	qwebirc556225: it's the weekend dip	[06:11]
noagendamarket	run away as fast as possible in the other direction	[06:11]
smickles	that's microcash, right?	[06:11]
noagendamarket	ppcoin :P	[06:12]
dub	solidcash niccuh	[06:12]
smickles	oh right	[06:12]
Ukto	nah, all the govt employees incharge of buying up btc etc are off work for the weekend :P	[06:12]
noagendamarket	ppcoin = microcash 2	[06:12]
BTC-Mining	qwebirc556225: it's not really a big fall... pretty minor	[06:12]
dub	my peepeecoins are growing!	[06:12]
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noagendamarket	Ukto the cia doesnt work on te weekend ?	[06:12]
BTC-Mining	If you'd look at price history, you can see it varies a lot even over the last month	[06:12]
Ukto	noagendamarket: :P	[06:12]
BTC-Mining	It's not like traditional currency pairs like USD/EURO	[06:13]
Ukto	alot has happened over the last month :/	[06:13]
BTC-Mining	Price moves a lot on small transactions simply by low liquitity volumes.	[06:13]
Ukto	half~millions	[06:13]
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thestringpuller	september it went up to almost 13	[06:14]
thestringpuller	October has been a rough month so far	[06:14]
Ukto	as we get closer to halftime, it should go up more	[06:14]
thestringpuller	in theory it should	[06:14]
thestringpuller	but from what I recall in order for miners who have paid for equipment, they only need 4USD/BTC to cover electricity costs and remain profitable	[06:15]
dub	um, no	[06:15]
dub	for GPUs its quite a lot higher with avg power price	[06:16]
dub	FPGA will be lower than that	[06:16]
qwebirc556225	thx	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining how;d you end up paying usagi debt ?	[06:17]
thestringpuller	I'm assuming full FPGA setup	[06:17]
dub	what are you assuming power price to be?	[06:18]
BTC-Mining	arf, I'd pay dividends owed to him to smickles instead	[06:18]
Ukto	Over 9000!	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	qwebirc556225 we rarely know the reasons.	[06:19]
*	Ukto sighs and wonders why ppl just wont take him seriously anymore. :P	[06:19]
thestringpuller	dub: 0.10 USD/kwhr	[06:21]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: you never explained who "the girl" is	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	my pr for the forum	[06:21]
thestringpuller	ah your marketing peeps	[06:22]
thestringpuller	i see (said the blind man)	[06:22]
dub	thestringpuller: so assuming 10mh/w its break even is under a dollar	[06:23]
thestringpuller	yea	[06:23]
dub	10mh/w is a vaniall lx150	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	what diff are you counting on ?	[06:23]
dub	vanilla too, I think they commonly run at +25%	[06:23]
dub	mircea_popescu: current	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	i have bets for > 300 th.	[06:24]
thestringpuller	terahashes (shudder)	[06:25]
dub	id say we'll be well over 3000th in a year	[06:25]
dub	if asic lands	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	prolly.	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	so at 300th, taking that number out of an arsehat, $4 becomes $40	[06:26]
thestringpuller	heh	[06:28]
thestringpuller	Is it still illegal to live in antarctica?	[06:28]
noagendamarket	yes	[06:28]
noagendamarket	antarctica is a protected wildlife zone :P	[06:29]
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thestringpuller	noagendamarket: I see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System	[06:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9489 @ 0.00041666 = 3.9537 BTC [-]	[06:34]
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smickles	well, usagi has contacted me now	[06:35]
thestringpuller	what's the news smickles	[06:36]
smickles	it wants an alternative payment plan	[06:36]
noagendamarket	tentacle porn ?	[06:36]
smickles	noagendamarket: nope, netorare	[06:37]
thestringpuller	lol "it"	[06:37]
thestringpuller	genderless person	[06:37]
thestringpuller	androgynous*	[06:37]
dub	i'd like to go to antarctica at some stage	[06:38]
noagendamarket	bahaha	[06:38]
dub	my biddy has been there	[06:38]
dub	buddy*	[06:38]
thestringpuller	I wanted to incorporate a btc business in antarctica	[06:39]
thestringpuller	then if they wanted to put me in jail they'd have to find me	[06:39]
thestringpuller	I don't think the feds like the cold	[06:39]
dub	its quite cold there atm	[06:39]
dub	ozone hole sucking space in	[06:40]
thestringpuller	it's kinda sad the ozone depletion...	[06:41]
dub	its repairing itself apparently	[06:41]
noagendamarket	yeah they banned a lot of the chemicals that were causing it	[06:41]
dub	CFCs, I miss em	[06:42]
dub	no more styrofoam burger boxes	[06:43]
thestringpuller	I kinda think the glbse shutdown was a good thing...	[06:43]
thestringpuller	it's gonna weed out some of the bad stock	[06:43]
smickles	that's why those burger boxes went away?	[06:43]
noagendamarket	it will just lead to decentralized scamming	[06:43]
noagendamarket	smickles yes	[06:43]
thestringpuller	noagendamarket: why is everything a scam?	[06:44]
thestringpuller	i feel that the people on silk road are more trustworthy than most btc users	[06:44]
noagendamarket	because there is no way to enforce property rights	[06:44]
thestringpuller	the be like the mafia? if people don't pay break their knees?	[06:45]
thestringpuller	then*	[06:45]
thestringpuller	the mafia seems to get their loans back in full	[06:45]
noagendamarket	if you cant get justice using the legal system thats the alternative	[06:45]
thestringpuller	then beat people up	[06:45]
thestringpuller	"make them pay" wink wink	[06:45]
smickles	everything is a scam because none of the big thefts and scams have had any significant consequences yet	[06:46]
smickles	so more scammers come	[06:46]
noagendamarket	kinda hard when they live on the other side of the world	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller actually the mafia collecting records are worse than the govt's.	[06:46]
noagendamarket	unless your cousin is a mexican hitman near texas ;P	[06:47]
smickles	fucking texans	[06:47]
noagendamarket	mybitcoin was a canadian scam LOL	[06:47]
smickles	seriously, the should just secede already	[06:48]
smickles	*they	[06:48]
noagendamarket	scammers will destroy btc before the government gets a chance too	[06:48]
thestringpuller	I guess you have to be a skeptical consumer	[06:49]
thestringpuller	btc has made me a lot better with my money in general	[06:49]
noagendamarket	its why they send criminals into protest groups	[06:49]
thestringpuller	as long as SR exists btc will always have a place on the internet	[06:49]
noagendamarket	they wont arrest pirate they will; hire him LOL	[06:50]
thestringpuller	pirate is going to jail	[06:50]
noagendamarket	not likely :P	[06:50]
thestringpuller	remember the guy who made the liberty dollars?	[06:50]
noagendamarket	he didnt run a giant ponzi	[06:51]
thestringpuller	bad example	[06:51]
thestringpuller	remember charles ponzi?	[06:51]
noagendamarket	no Im not that old lol	[06:51]
thestringpuller	i think this could all be solved with a BTC repo service	[06:52]
dub	people just need to be more enterprising	[06:52]
thestringpuller	I like the post from the guy who made coinpal	[06:52]
dub	its retardedly cheap to have physical harm befall people in most places	[06:52]
thestringpuller	dub: so a bitcoin mafia?	[06:53]
dub	thats stupid	[06:53]
noagendamarket	african mercenaries ftw	[06:54]
thestringpuller	XD	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	speaking of bitcoin, government et all : http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/bribes-in-bitcoins/	[06:54]
dub	SFW? :)	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	a rare treat that, too.	[06:54]
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noagendamarket	an assassination market would be nice	[06:55]
noagendamarket	wheer you can bet when pirate will get his legs broken	[06:55]
noagendamarket	theres no incentive currently :P	[06:55]
smickles	jeez, no one like my texas joke?	[06:56]
*	dub not american	[06:56]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: "And yes, I’m saving some Bitcoins in a special wallet precisely to pay for the amusement of fucking interns in the oval office. The cigars are on the house." that made me laugh	[06:57]
thestringpuller	Can I join that party when it happens?	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	sure. save some bitcoins.	[06:57]
smickles	yeah, but really, you are :P 'merica rulz the world,, didn't you know the sec regulates securities worldwide	[06:58]
smickles	?	[06:58]
thestringpuller	I have a 25 btc casascius coin so I can redeem it	[06:58]
thestringpuller	when the time comes	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	:D	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	better buy some viagra then, who knows how many interns 25btc buys	[06:58]
thestringpuller	LOL	[06:59]
noagendamarket	lol. Imagine if you had liquid viagra and dumped it in the water supply	[06:59]
thestringpuller	it'll be like a post apocalyptic world without the nuclear holocaust	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	instasenegal ?	[06:59]
noagendamarket	good times	[06:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00041741 = 11.0196 BTC [+]	[07:00]
thestringpuller	mpex is blowin up	[07:00]
thestringpuller	I wonder how coinbr.com will do	[07:00]
thestringpuller	now that glbse is gone	[07:00]
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dub	wat is coinbr again?	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	jurovs mpex broker neh ?	[07:01]
thestringpuller	yea	[07:01]
thestringpuller	the 30 btc fee for mpex makes it a lot like NYSE	[07:01]
mircea_popescu	should be doing some decent biz i imagine	[07:01]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller that's the plan	[07:01]
thestringpuller	so mpex is a good place for brokerage	[07:01]
thestringpuller	which is good I think	[07:01]
mircea_popescu	so do i.	[07:02]
thestringpuller	i hated that glbse had sporradic trades from newbies	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	i hated that glbse was mostly a vehicle for pushing toxic assets to the naive.	[07:02]
thestringpuller	HAHAH yea	[07:02]
thestringpuller	I made jokes about that	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	way to cut the branch you're sitting on	[07:03]
thestringpuller	with my dad	[07:03]
thestringpuller	PPT "bonds" were just bad debt	[07:03]
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thestringpuller	if there was a way to "collect" like in the physical world it wouldn't have been as bad	[07:03]
thestringpuller	there is a market for trading bad debt	[07:03]
thestringpuller	but if you can't collect on it...	[07:04]
dub	you can..	[07:04]
thestringpuller	through BTC QE?	[07:04]
thestringpuller	:)	[07:04]
thestringpuller	wait for the BTC fed to buy up the bad debt?	[07:04]
noagendamarket	they probably wont do anything about scamming till a politician gets ripped off lol	[07:07]
smickles	man, i should've found a way to scam the funds form my mortgage into btc back in 2008	[07:08]
dub	if you want to conspiracy theorize it might be thier plan to let btc scam itself out of existence	[07:09]
smickles	timetravel	[07:10]
smickles	now that is waht bitcoin is for	[07:10]
thestringpuller	actually	[07:11]
thestringpuller	that's kinda brilliant	[07:11]
thestringpuller	dub: let the community destroy itself	[07:11]
thestringpuller	:(	[07:11]
thestringpuller	Didn't a US senator give the DEA a bunch of money to shutdown Silk Road	[07:11]
thestringpuller	and they still haven't?	[07:12]
dub	pretty sweet honeypot	[07:12]
smickles	how much money does it take to get to the center of an onion?	[07:12]
thestringpuller	berry punny	[07:12]
smickles	dub: they did change their .onion address	[07:12]
dub	USG has a long history of letting crime continue in their interests	[07:13]
smickles	and the drug trad is in the gov't interest	[07:13]
thestringpuller	LOL	[07:13]
thestringpuller	i love it	[07:13]
thestringpuller	smickles: did you really like my idea?	[07:13]
dub	there was an infographic floating around the other day, I think I pasted here	[07:14]
smickles	thestringpuller: the one you emaild to me? or this destructo community provacatauro	[07:14]
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dub	showing drug addiction rates over time (static) vs. War on Drugs spend (zomg)	[07:14]
thestringpuller	the i emailed you / we drunk talked about one night	[07:15]
smickles	thestringpuller: Yeah, i think that is a good idea if you can keep expenses low enough to attact business	[07:15]
thestringpuller	I think I can if I do it for businesses	[07:16]
smickles	btc -> cash in pocket in about one biz day w/o needing a bank account, i think it'll work	[07:16]
thestringpuller	that is if the check is as liquid as a moneygram/moneyorder	[07:16]
smickles	should be, it's certified	[07:17]
thestringpuller	i'm just worried about the shipping	[07:17]
smickles	most banks will let you cash that free of charge	[07:17]
smickles	although, now, i think they take a fingerprint to do it	[07:17]
thestringpuller	most do	[07:17]
thestringpuller	the fingerprint	[07:17]
thestringpuller	that is	[07:17]
midnightmagic	a.. fingerprint to cash a cheque?!	[07:19]
thestringpuller	sometimes	[07:19]
midnightmagic	that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. For a cashier's/certified cheque?!	[07:20]
thestringpuller	When you cash it lol	[07:20]
thestringpuller	My old bank did that	[07:21]
thestringpuller	took a thumb print	[07:21]
thestringpuller	and makes you put your fingerprint on the back of the check	[07:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00041755 = 5.1776 BTC [+]	[07:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00041666 = 8.1249 BTC [-]	[07:25]
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Diablo-D3	smickles: I think Im glad I didnt hire you in the end	[07:31]
Diablo-D3	smickles: you'd be trying to scammer thread me because glbse stole dmc's money :<	[07:31]
noagendamarket	there wasnt much left of dmc for glbse to take aft5er youy finished with it :P	[07:31]
smickles	Diablo-D3: usagi told me that he had the btc AFTER glbse went down	[07:32]
smickles	and then didn't contact me when he clearly knew he was going to default	[07:32]
smickles	for a full week	[07:32]
Diablo-D3	smickles: heh whadda fag =/	[07:33]
Diablo-D3	noagendamarket: no, what was left of dmc was what glbse didnt already steal	[07:33]
smickles	Diablo-D3: i would assume you would not do something like that. A little communication goes a long way	[07:34]
Diablo-D3	yeah, I'd at least warn you ahead of time that dmc suddenly became non-existant	[07:35]
smickles	you know, s2cm is actually still operating :/	[07:36]
thestringpuller	Can I invest in s2cm?	[07:37]
thestringpuller	if it's still operating	[07:37]
smickles	thestringpuller: heh, we're still operating, but we're going to dissolve when we get the shareholder info from glbse	[07:37]
smickles	part of our operation is collecting from usagi	[07:37]
smickles	thestringpuller: i bet there are people who have trustable claim to shares of s2cm who would sell them to you	[07:40]
smickles	Azelphur: ^	[07:40]
thestringpuller	hmm	[07:40]
Diablo-D3	smickles: so basically the entire bitstreet is closing up	[07:40]
thestringpuller	LOL	[07:40]
smickles	Diablo-D3: well, i dunno, we're disolving s2cm, but i'm launching an accounting company	[07:41]
Azelphur	I can sell ss shares, depending on what your offering	[07:41]
thestringpuller	Everyone is closing their doors cause no one trusts anyone	[07:41]
thestringpuller	I can offer Jazz music, the original american export.	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	dub the way i see it, the scams are actually a passive benefit	[07:41]
Azelphur	sorry that's not dubstep	[07:41]
Azelphur	:P	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	all the people who aren't scamming are gaining +rep with every scam.	[07:42]
thestringpuller	huh?	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	may seem expensive, but a great way to build a community FOR REAL.	[07:42]
thestringpuller	oh	[07:42]
thestringpuller	I see	[07:42]
Azelphur	lol	[07:42]
thestringpuller	I'm a little high not gonna lie	[07:42]
Azelphur	smickles: did you see the email that went out today btw	[07:42]
Azelphur	from glbse	[07:42]
smickles	Azelphur: the one where it said, you should've received you btc?	[07:43]
Azelphur	yep	[07:43]
smickles	yeah, s2cm didn't get one satoshi	[07:43]
Azelphur	Your GLBSE account has been processed for bitcoin. The next step will be to send you information about your assets, and to provide this information to issuers (if you agreed) allowing you to continue your relationship with your issuers.	[07:43]
Azelphur	:(	[07:43]
smickles	and we're owed over 200, iirc	[07:43]
Azelphur	satoshis?	[07:43]
smickles	yup	[07:43]
Azelphur	oh nose :(	[07:43]
Azelphur	that would be such a travesty to loose xD	[07:43]
smickles	indeed	[07:43]
smickles	it's a massive blow	[07:44]
Azelphur	the economy will never recover	[07:44]
Azelphur	we might as well pack up and go home now	[07:44]
Azelphur	xD	[07:44]
smickles	lol	[07:44]
smickles	but we're too big to fail	[07:44]
thestringpuller	XD	[07:44]
smickles	so it's ok	[07:44]
Azelphur	lol	[07:44]
thestringpuller	bail outs all around	[07:44]
Azelphur	I got my 10.1 btc out of glbse	[07:44]
Azelphur	now I'm waiting on clipse, bs&t and glbse (assets)	[07:44]
thestringpuller	i put 20 btc's into nyan.a	[07:44]
thestringpuller	I had .6 btc liquid in glbse	[07:45]
Azelphur	my bitcoin life is sad atm :(	[07:45]
Azelphur	money trapped in investments: ~1700 btc	[07:45]
Azelphur	money in wallet: 22.43	[07:45]
Azelphur	:<	[07:45]
smickles	ouch	[07:45]
Azelphur	indeed	[07:45]
Azelphur	spread your money out, surely it can't all go wrong at the same time!	[07:45]
Azelphur	#flawedlogic	[07:45]
dub	heh	[07:45]
dub	whats teh latest on clipse	[07:46]
dub	still 'end of october'?	[07:46]
Azelphur	dub: seems like he's en route for a scammer tag	[07:46]
Azelphur	dub: wasn't that end of september	[07:46]
Azelphur	he said end of september, then he said 12th oct, and now he signed in but hasn't updated anyone	[07:46]
dub	I've seen no comms lately, I though he said end october then brought it forward	[07:46]
smickles	Azelphur: go play some FTL, it'll help :)	[07:47]
Azelphur	oh nope, you are right, it is end of october	[07:47]
thestringpuller	smickles: what were the outstanding shares for september? (looking at S^2 fin reports)	[07:47]
Azelphur	although he says that in order to pay out in october he needs people to mine, and his pool has been down for nearly 24h now	[07:47]
Azelphur	smickles: haha :p	[07:47]
dub	well, SA is a REALLY cheap place to have someone whacked ;)	[07:47]
Azelphur	dub: tempting ;)	[07:48]
dub	like can of coke cheap	[07:48]
Azelphur	I know people who live in SA too	[07:48]
Azelphur	but nah	[07:48]
smickles	thestringpuller: all issued shares were outstanding, and the number should be in the notes of the report	[07:48]
dub	I know a contract killer in SA :)	[07:48]
noagendamarket	lol	[07:48]
Azelphur	sometimes I think it'd be cool if you could hire someone to steal a scammers car and sell it in order to pay back people who had been scammed, or something	[07:48]
Azelphur	that would be cool	[07:48]
noagendamarket	thatd be awesome	[07:49]
Azelphur	in my dreams sort of cool, not in reality	[07:49]
Azelphur	xD	[07:49]
thestringpuller	smickles: thanks	[07:49]
noagendamarket	pirate would need a lot of fucking cars :D	[07:49]
Azelphur	dub: it's really bad because in his thread early on he specifically says he don't invest in BS&T which is why I left so much in there, as another investment	[07:50]
dub	with pirate I'd steal his cimputers :)	[07:50]
Azelphur	and now he blames BS&T for not being able to pay people back	[07:50]
Azelphur	:@	[07:50]
dub	in fact I can't believe someone hasnt	[07:50]
Azelphur	haha	[07:50]
noagendamarket	thats grounds for an insta scammer tag	[07:50]
Azelphur	noagendamarket: that's what I said in the scammer thread.	[07:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.000419 = 6.2431 BTC [+]	[07:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00042 = 6.594 BTC [+]	[07:51]
thestringpuller	Azelphur: what is your asking price for 1 share of S^2?	[07:51]
noagendamarket	its no different to hashking or nckrazze	[07:51]
Azelphur	"No I dont put the mining funds directly in BTCST" ... and now "aside from the fact BTCST should have paid out by now"	[07:51]
Azelphur	xD	[07:51]
Azelphur	thestringpuller: they did that 1/100 split now, so many zeros xD	[07:52]
Azelphur	2.5 in "old money"	[07:52]
Azelphur	so I think that's 0.025/share	[07:52]
thestringpuller	old money?	[07:52]
thestringpuller	lol	[07:52]
Azelphur	they split the shares up by 100 I think	[07:52]
Azelphur	so people with 1 shares got 100 shares	[07:52]
Azelphur	so it could be traded easier	[07:53]
Azelphur	smickles: it was 100 split right?	[07:53]
smickles	yup	[07:53]
Azelphur	yea, then 0.025/share o/	[07:53]
smickles	and it was a good plan, util glbse folded	[07:53]
thestringpuller	the original value was 2.5 btcs?	[07:53]
Azelphur	indeed	[07:53]
noagendamarket	wasnt there 95 000 shares ?	[07:53]
noagendamarket	it was at .12 last time I saw it	[07:53]
smickles	91500, iirc	[07:53]
noagendamarket	or something :D	[07:53]
Azelphur	thestringpuller: it was originally 2.5, then they split the shares up to make it easier to trade, so if I bought 1 share at the beginning at 2.5, I would have had 100 shares worth 0.025 now	[07:53]
Azelphur	kinda thing.	[07:54]
thestringpuller	so there were 915 shares to begin with @ 2.5	[07:54]
thestringpuller	1/100 split	[07:54]
thestringpuller	that's fine	[07:54]
thestringpuller	lol	[07:54]
smickles	thestringpuller: what did you mean by 'original value'?	[07:54]
Azelphur	yep, that sounds right	[07:54]
Azelphur	the IPO value was 1.0 then they did a second issuing at 2.0	[07:54]
Azelphur	I sold a bunch of shares at 2.5 before the second issuing	[07:54]
smickles	s2 originally launched with 500 shares at 1	[07:54]
smickles	er	[07:54]
thestringpuller	smickles: i was assuming the ipo was 2.5	[07:54]
smickles	sorry	[07:54]
smickles	610 shares	[07:55]
smickles	610 at 1 btc each at launch	[07:55]
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thestringpuller	so each share increased in value...	[07:55]
smickles	then issued 305 @ 2 (the market average) later on	[07:55]
Azelphur	thestringpuller: my history with SS is basically, I bought a buttload at launch at 1.0, sold em all for between 1.8 and 2.5, then bought again at 2.0 in the second issuance	[07:55]
smickles	then did a 100 for 1 split some time later	[07:55]
thestringpuller	I'm just doing analysis with my friend	[07:55]
Azelphur	:)	[07:55]
thestringpuller	cause this seems like a good alternative to nyan.A	[07:55]
thestringpuller	I got buttfucked on Nyan.A	[07:56]
noagendamarket	yeah	[07:56]
thestringpuller	so i had to write it off	[07:56]
Azelphur	I imagine it's not too much of an alternative now, as soon as GLBSE puts out the info it's shutting down anyway	[07:56]
thestringpuller	:(	[07:56]
Azelphur	:( indeed	[07:56]
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thestringpuller	back to the drawing board then	[07:56]
smickles	thestringpuller: i'll be compiling the next reports tomorrow	[07:56]
noagendamarket	nefario still wants to get paid LOL	[07:56]
Azelphur	so A) GLBSE puts info out and then you get bought out and it's over	[07:56]
thestringpuller	I guess I better start looking into what I want on mpex	[07:57]
noagendamarket	goodluckwiththat	[07:57]
Azelphur	B) GLBSE doesn't put info out...and your screwed, forever.	[07:57]
Azelphur	xD	[07:57]
Azelphur	as much as I'd like to sell SS shares right now, gotta tell it like it is lol	[07:57]
thestringpuller	LOL	[07:57]
smickles	heh, mpex is either options, or hardly anything else, but better anything else than glbse had	[07:57]
noagendamarket	imagine if you burnt your workplace down and asked the boss for your wages still lol	[07:57]
smickles	(on the whole)	[07:58]
Azelphur	noagendamarket: xD	[07:58]
noagendamarket	"I spent all the petty cash and theres no receipts"	[07:58]
smickles	yeah, not that i know exactly what we're liquidating at, but buying SS @ 2.5 is probably a loss	[07:58]
Azelphur	smickles: aim high and negociate lower ;)	[07:59]
Azelphur	smickles: have you heard the zeekrewards and BS&T rumors?	[08:00]
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smickles	smickles: ofc	[08:02]
smickles	anything new there?	[08:02]
Azelphur	talking to yourself like a pro there :p	[08:02]
Azelphur	but nope, nothing new	[08:02]
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Azelphur	I lefe things behind all the time	[08:03]
smickles	f-ing mantis boarding parties	[08:07]
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smickles	howdy g	[08:07]
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smickles	nn a	[08:07]
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thestringpuller	call and put options	[08:10]
smickles	indeed	[08:10]
thestringpuller	ugh	[08:11]
thestringpuller	I might as well just make a business instead of trying to bu y one	[08:11]
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thestringpuller	heh "Bitcoin is in fact first and foremost a wonderful community of highly skilled, intelligent and open minded people which tearfully reminds one of the old days of the pre-September Internet." heh	[08:15]
smickles	the faq	[08:16]
thestringpuller	yea	[08:16]
noagendamarket	http://genius23.com/images/samples/BLACK-STONE-MONKEY.jpg this is bitcoin	[08:16]
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thestringpuller	Pre-september internet...	[08:16]
thestringpuller	man i like that line from the faq	[08:16]
smickles	thestringpuller: do you have an mpex account? they're expensive, although i thing coinbr.com setup a brokerage site for mpex	[08:16]
smickles	oh yeah, it's a good line	[08:17]
smickles	:)	[08:17]
smickles	s/thing/think/	[08:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31254 @ 0.00042 = 13.1267 BTC [+]	[08:17]
Diablo-D3	[12:41:08] Diablo-D3: well, i dunno, we're disolving s2cm, but i'm launching an accounting company	[08:17]
Diablo-D3	yeah, but to account what =/	[08:18]
smickles	Diablo-D3: i've got clients lined up :P	[08:18]
thestringpuller	smickles: not yet even though I could drop the cash on it I can't warrant the expenditure if I can't be sure I'll make the money back	[08:18]
Diablo-D3	smickles: but our tiny little backwoods wall street wannabe is dead	[08:19]
smickles	thestringpuller: well, to justify 30 btc, you'd probaby have to use margin and make a good call, eh?	[08:19]
thestringpuller	smickles: I'm not that good ;) I would have to have help for sure.	[08:19]
smickles	Diablo-D3: so?	[08:20]
Diablo-D3	[12:41:13] Everyone is closing their doors cause no one trusts anyone	[08:20]
Diablo-D3	thestringpuller: yes, thats my reason to shut dmc	[08:20]
thestringpuller	I'll be patient and wait for more companies to ipo on mpex before I invest in an account	[08:20]
Diablo-D3	every company Ive tried to invest in so dmc can get there faster has pretty much fucked us one way or another	[08:20]
thestringpuller	Don't shut down	[08:20]
thestringpuller	If you're good at mining I would invest in you :)	[08:20]
smickles	thestringpuller: coinbr is probably for you then	[08:21]
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Diablo-D3	mining is dead, really	[08:21]
thestringpuller	is it?	[08:21]
Diablo-D3	its no longer profitable	[08:21]
Diablo-D3	the irony is DMC's plan made that moot	[08:21]
Diablo-D3	we could have mined everyone else under the table	[08:21]
thestringpuller	Most hardware takes 32 weeks to pay off	[08:21]
thestringpuller	32~40 weeks	[08:21]
Diablo-D3	but everyone decided to just be a bunch of faggots, so fuck it	[08:22]
noagendamarket	its not like you can invest in mt gox or bitinstant :P	[08:22]
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Diablo-D3	not that Im going to, but if I ever start another company, Im only going to deal with professional VC firms	[08:22]
Diablo-D3	not a bunch of fucking aspies flailing their arms because they invested in something they didnt understand wouldnt pay out their original investment for 2+ years	[08:22]
smickles	lol, Diablo-D3 don't vc firms look for 15x their original investment in 1 year?	[08:23]
noagendamarket	yep :P	[08:23]
Diablo-D3	smickles: scammy ones? yes	[08:24]
noagendamarket	I can double my investment inn 2 years simply by buying a house and living in it lol	[08:24]
Diablo-D3	smickles: theres a few that are fucking retarded, but they're known	[08:24]
Diablo-D3	theres _no one_ in the bitcoin community who knows what they're doing	[08:25]
thestringpuller	smickles: yes that do, but they also think that if 15-20% of the companies they invested in give them that ROI it's a "good year"	[08:25]
thestringpuller	that = they	[08:25]
thestringpuller	Diablo-D3: smickles knows what he's doing	[08:26]
Diablo-D3	thestringpuller: smickles didnt want to invest in dmc	[08:26]
Diablo-D3	smickles also didnt have 200k btc.	[08:26]
noagendamarket	because he knew what he was doing he didnt invest in dmc	[08:26]
thestringpuller	you had 200k btc?	[08:26]
Diablo-D3	no one had 200k btc.	[08:26]
thestringpuller	LOL	[08:27]
Diablo-D3	noagendamarket: not at all, he didn't think the rest of the community could pony up the cash	[08:27]
Diablo-D3	he was right, in the end	[08:27]
thestringpuller	so what happened to DMC	[08:27]
noagendamarket	glbse :P	[08:27]
Diablo-D3	glbse.	[08:28]
thestringpuller	(I keep thinking DMC stands for the Delorean Motors Company)	[08:28]
thestringpuller	even though I know it stands for Diablo Mining Company	[08:28]
dub	Derp Mining Crapshoot	[08:28]
noagendamarket	DWMC Dude, wheres my company?	[08:28]
thestringpuller	http://piratetracker.info/ lol	[08:28]
dub	lol	[08:28]
thestringpuller	Diablo-D3: is your mining equipment paid for or is it for sell or...	[08:30]
noagendamarket	wtf	[08:30]
dub	ooh ooh	[08:30]
dub	Destroy My Capital	[08:30]
noagendamarket	the piratetracker address had 780 btc sent there lol	[08:30]
noagendamarket	1Fm8e4Zd5JVYZDDFkYzhrRjaGpZoCcngPT	[08:30]
dub	Delete My Coins	[08:30]
noagendamarket	http://blockexplorer.com/address/1Fm8e4Zd5JVYZDDFkYzhrRjaGpZoCcngPT	[08:30]
noagendamarket	bahahah	[08:30]
BTC-Mining	yeah, but last transactions dates from March 2012...	[08:31]
BTC-Mining	way before the website or pirate defaulted...	[08:31]
thestringpuller	lawyers like accountants are expensive	[08:31]
dub	Damage My Credibility	[08:32]
dub	^ worked for Diablo-D3	[08:32]
noagendamarket	Didnt Mine Coins :P	[08:33]
Diablo-D3	oh shuddup dub	[08:33]
dub	Downvote My Comments, no thats his hn	[08:33]
noagendamarket	unless it paid above 5% no one was interested in any assets	[08:34]
Diablo-D3	noagendamarket: yup	[08:35]
mircea_popescu	#flawedlogic << how much did you have in mpex ?	[08:39]
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mircea_popescu	noagendamarket actually,t his is false. mpoe.etf made about 1200% over ipo price	[08:42]
mircea_popescu	nobody bought it.	[08:42]
mircea_popescu	people were just mentally retarded on glbse.	[08:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5911 @ 0.00041666 = 2.4629 BTC [-]	[08:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15636 @ 0.00041602 = 6.5049 BTC [-]	[08:42]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: does the bitcoin community really remind you of the pre-September internet?	[08:47]
mircea_popescu	in parts.	[08:47]
mircea_popescu	certainly not the forums.	[08:47]
thestringpuller	some people are unfortunately retarded	[08:48]
Diablo-D3	forever september =/	[08:50]
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thestringpuller	Diablo-D3: Did you mine?	[09:05]
Diablo-D3	no, I paid other people to do that	[09:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40073 @ 0.00042 = 16.8307 BTC [+]	[09:09]
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Diablo-D3	going to bed, night all	[09:17]
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BTC-Mining	[22:22] http://thecriminallawyer.tumblr.com/post/19810672629/12-i-was-entrapped :)	[09:42]
BTC-Mining	That one is good too: http://thecriminallawyer.tumblr.com/post/29326904495/16-a-problems	[09:42]
mircea_popescu	i kinda like the cora chick.	[09:53]
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BTC-Mining	Eh, what a surprise	[09:54]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54800 @ 0.00042 = 23.016 BTC [+]	[10:00]
mircea_popescu	http://thecriminallawyer.tumblr.com/post/29326904495/16-a-problems	[10:03]
mircea_popescu	whoa WHAT THE FUCKING HELL	[10:03]
mircea_popescu	you can't have bird feathers ?	[10:04]
mircea_popescu	fuck that bullshit country.	[10:04]
BTC-Mining	There's TONS of silly laws in the US	[10:05]
mircea_popescu	fuck that shit.	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	the us is a rogue state.	[10:07]
mircea_popescu	americans should just be executed on sight.	[10:07]
BTC-Mining	...	[10:07]
BTC-Mining	But...	[10:08]
mircea_popescu	a. i am going to pluck any bird i feel like ; b. i am going to make soup out of any turtle i get my hands on.	[10:08]
BTC-Mining	They can be repaired!	[10:08]
mircea_popescu	anyone doesn't like it better bring fucking enough ammo.	[10:08]
mircea_popescu	who cares ?	[10:08]
mircea_popescu	this is like the fucking zerg.	[10:08]
BTC-Mining	But the zergling is all cuddly, grabbing you and nibbling at your internal organs.	[10:09]
BTC-Mining	Embrace the zergling...	[10:09]
mircea_popescu	no.	[10:10]
mircea_popescu	americans. executed. on sight.	[10:10]
mircea_popescu	it is now a crime to be american.	[10:10]
BTC-Mining	I think the crime here is politicians rushing through new laws for their public opinion.	[10:12]
mircea_popescu	i do not care.	[10:12]
mircea_popescu	fucking muppets ranting on about what the sec bla bla ?	[10:13]
mircea_popescu	fuck this shit.	[10:13]
BTC-Mining	Also, did you know that those muppets might be making some of the criminal laws? Not all laws are voted by the representatives.	[10:16]
BTC-Mining	Many regulations are made by expert in their fields but who have poor or no understanding of criminal law and it's intent.	[10:17]
BTC-Mining	The website summarize the issue nicely.	[10:17]
BTC-Mining	Although the problem of "broad/uncomprehensible laws" has been quite an issue globally, in many nations.	[10:18]
mircea_popescu	it does.	[10:18]
mircea_popescu	it also explains why the united states has no room and no place in civilised society.	[10:18]
mircea_popescu	im sorry (well not really), but it was just expelled.	[10:18]
mircea_popescu	can go hang out with gabon, sierra leone and the rest.	[10:18]
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BTC-Mining	Well, you seem to be overreacting to laws being too broad in the US by creating another broad law:	[10:30]
BTC-Mining	[03:10] it is now a crime to be american.	[10:30]
BTC-Mining	Are you sure you aren't part of the problem?	[10:30]
mircea_popescu	this isn't a law.	[10:30]
mircea_popescu	this is a matter of private policy.	[10:30]
mircea_popescu	(really, i was mostly making a point, rhetorically)	[10:31]
BTC-Mining	eh, and I wasn't really serious, just pointing out it was a rather harsh and excessive stance.	[10:31]
mircea_popescu	no it's not. it's perfectly commensurate with the offence.	[10:32]
BTC-Mining	Eh, "americans" are just born in the US, not a direct cause of everything that happens in the US	[10:32]
mircea_popescu	people that dare organise into such a state are hostes humani gener	[10:32]
mircea_popescu	universal public enemies.	[10:32]
mircea_popescu	listen, if you're part of some mob cause "you grew up into it" you still go to jail.	[10:33]
mircea_popescu	sword cuts both ways.	[10:33]
BTC-Mining	Well that would be something applied too broadly... Not everyone in the US agree with the US.	[10:34]
mircea_popescu	orly.	[10:34]
mircea_popescu	are they paying tax to the us ?	[10:34]
mircea_popescu	seems to me if you pay the mob boss you're in the mob, whether you claim disagreement or not.	[10:34]
BTC-Mining	Depends on the individual. Most people in every country pays taxes. Doesn't mean they all support 100% of the state.	[10:35]
mircea_popescu	yes, actually, it does, for this discussion.	[10:35]
BTC-Mining	I don't see how you could reasonably expect someone who object to any single law in a country to be able to move somewhere that has no rules they disagree with.	[10:36]
BTC-Mining	Unless everyone lived in their own one-man nation.	[10:36]
mircea_popescu	you don't have to move. you just send them your citizenship in the mail and be done with it.	[10:37]
mircea_popescu	being a us citizen is a crime in itself	[10:37]
BTC-Mining	Except that doesn't really work that way...	[10:37]
mircea_popescu	says who ?	[10:38]
BTC-Mining	Since when will any government anywhere accept to take citizenship back and accept you stop paying any taxes? Tough luck on getting that through.	[10:39]
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mircea_popescu	not the same.	[10:39]
mircea_popescu	you can renounce any citizenship, it's no big deal.	[10:40]
mircea_popescu	if you're not a citizen and are paying taxes i dun care, you're not liable.	[10:40]
mircea_popescu	i've paid taxes in maybe twenty jurisdictions so far, i don't see why anyone could claim i have anything to do with them.	[10:40]
BTC-Mining	How do you even renounce citizenship? You never agreed to that.	[10:40]
BTC-Mining	The state just decided by itself to consider you a citizen based on it's own set of rules, without your accord.	[10:41]
mircea_popescu	nah. you were born one. your citizenship really predates any law other than the consitution	[10:41]
mircea_popescu	peopel tend to forget the state is much ulterior in the process.	[10:42]
BTC-Mining	I try to completly make abstraction of the state/whatever is in place and consider each individual individually for their own actions and intent.	[10:42]
BTC-Mining	Regardless of their citizenship/government.	[10:43]
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BTC-Mining	If I see they support something I don't agree with, then I object.	[10:43]
mircea_popescu	but they are actively engaged in a criminal entreprise	[10:44]
mircea_popescu	(the us federal government)	[10:44]
mircea_popescu	this is over their head, uneffaceable.	[10:44]
mircea_popescu	us data : There were between 222-235 renunciants in 2008, between 731-743 in 2009, and about 1485 in 2010; In 2011, there were 1781 renunciants.	[10:45]
EskimoBob	can you 2 figure out how to "legalize" all the fake securities that are issued/promoted in the forum? At least you spend your energy on something useful :)	[10:45]
BTC-Mining	That's like me saying you doing business like dinning out in a mob's restaurant is being actively engaged in a criminal enterprise. You have dealings with it, it doesn't mean you know or support what they do. You simply pay them for a service. Same with citizens paying taxes.	[10:45]
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BTC-Mining	I consider it payment for services.	[10:46]
mircea_popescu	EskimoBob not really interested in forum bs "securities", but tell me more about the assets-otc lame mpex clone.	[10:46]
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mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining some may accept that argument. i do not.	[10:47]
BTC-Mining	Now the issue is, there will be laws you don't agree with in every country. And pretty much every country charges taxes one way or another.	[10:47]
EskimoBob	mircea_popescu: sorr, let me rephrase thet: "legalize" all the fake securities that are issued/promoted in the mpex	[10:47]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining im pretty happy with romanian laws so far.	[10:48]
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mircea_popescu	obviously not laws are perfect. what we're discussing here are laws that are criminal in themselves.	[10:48]
BTC-Mining	I'm pretty sure if even if they don't abound, we could at least find a few falling under that definition of yours in romanian laws.	[10:49]
mircea_popescu	please do.	[10:49]
mircea_popescu	i'm happy with one, actually.	[10:49]
EskimoBob	can a law be criminal? Probably not but i sure can be absurd and instead of protecting people it harms them. But still, can you call it criminal?	[10:49]
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BTC-Mining	I'm afraid I don't have the skills required to do such legal research.	[10:50]
BTC-Mining	In any case, I'm satisfied so far of canadian laws, although I'm pretty sure there's plenty I just don't know of.	[10:51]
mircea_popescu	EskimoBob sure. nazi germany laws were criminal, and they created liability for loyal subjects of the 3rd reich.	[10:51]
EskimoBob	mircea_popescu: no, they are criminal now, but not back then	[10:51]
mircea_popescu	well us laws are't criminal in the us.	[10:52]
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EskimoBob	and most are not even criminal now days	[10:52]
mircea_popescu	well most no. but most doesn't matter in this context.	[10:52]
mircea_popescu	some are an' it's good enough for me.	[10:52]
EskimoBob	my point is, your example was a hyperbole	[10:53]
EskimoBob	US laws have turned in to a pile of shit and same happens all over the world	[10:53]
EskimoBob	Law is not for protecting society any more.	[10:54]
mircea_popescu	nope, not the same, and not all over the world. this is just misguided jingoism.	[10:54]
mircea_popescu	the insanity is quite speciffic to the us, with some overlap in the 51st state (uk)	[10:54]
mircea_popescu	but yes my example was a hyperbole. problem is, it's a matching one	[10:55]
BTC-Mining	Well, yes, many country are FAR from being in such a mess as the US.	[10:55]
mircea_popescu	right.	[10:55]
BTC-Mining	It doesn't mean the US is unrecyclable or that I'd hold every american responsible for the current situation however.	[10:56]
mircea_popescu	the only way to get the lazy bums out of their bubble of confort and don't-give-a-shit	[10:58]
mircea_popescu	is to put a gun loaded in their face.	[10:58]
mircea_popescu	responsibility is something that kills you.	[10:58]
mircea_popescu	so. all americans. strictly liable. for being part in the us war on mankind.	[10:59]
mircea_popescu	to be executed on sight.	[10:59]
BTC-Mining	Well I'm speechless	[11:00]
mircea_popescu	hey, i'm kinda speechless too.	[11:01]
BTC-Mining	If I applied that logic for anyone who is a citizen of a government I held responsible for crimes, I'd have to execute everybody on Earth, including myself.	[11:02]
mircea_popescu	really ?	[11:02]
mircea_popescu	like, for instance, the icelandic people ?	[11:02]
mircea_popescu	or whatever, andorra.	[11:03]
BTC-Mining	Simply for the fact no single government can be reasonably assumed to be 100% corruption free and applying laws correctly 100% of the time.	[11:04]
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mircea_popescu	this is a strawman argument.	[11:04]
mircea_popescu	we're not putting the standard at either 100% corruption free or applying laws at all.	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	we are putting the standard at not making laws which are enmitous to mankind.	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	it doesn't even matter whether such laws are ever applied or were ever applied. the simple fact that htey exist is sufficient.	[11:06]
BTC-Mining	Corruption in governments is almost always for making laws that are not bad for mankind.	[11:06]
mircea_popescu	we're not discussing "bad for mankind". we are discussing, hostile to mankind.	[11:07]
BTC-Mining	What I meant by bad.	[11:08]
BTC-Mining	Harmful.	[11:08]
mircea_popescu	yes, but is a difference between harmful and hostile.	[11:09]
mircea_popescu	if i snipe at you while you sunbathe i am hostile, whether i hit you or not.	[11:09]
mircea_popescu	if i take the parking spot you wanted, it may be bad for you, but there's no hostility involved.	[11:10]
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BTC-Mining	the latter isn't really harmful, just vaguely inconvenient.	[11:11]
BTC-Mining	I'd class sniping someone as harmful.	[11:11]
mircea_popescu	well, if i don't hit you, no harm done.	[11:12]
mircea_popescu	harmful discusses effect. hostile discusses intent.	[11:12]
BTC-Mining	I suppose.	[11:12]
BTC-Mining	Seems more like it was an unagreement on definition of words.	[11:12]
BTC-Mining	Even so, would you claim your government has done absolutly zero hostile acts toward mankind for all the time you were a citizen?	[11:13]
mircea_popescu	you ever heard of romania starting a war ?	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	they tried to prevent the one in serbia...	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	bout all.	[11:14]
BTC-Mining	Aye, but I'm pretty sure at some point, it caused harm to its own citizen under one law or another. Although I guess that's not a receivable argument.	[11:15]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, this isnt a "oh im so much bettert than anyone else" thing	[11:15]
mircea_popescu	im just trying to point out the immensity of us insanity	[11:15]
BTC-Mining	I lack facts. But so do you against american citizens for merely being american citizen.	[11:16]
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BTC-Mining	Also, since you consider intent, I suppose you wouldn't be against minors or infants who have no choice or knowing intent of causing such hostile acts. As such, why held adults responsible for inaction when they themselve are completly clueless.	[11:17]
BTC-Mining	I'd consider their inaction as a poor choice, but would not consider them responsible.	[11:18]
BTC-Mining	Purely personal opinion however.	[11:18]
BTC-Mining	To each it's set of standards and ethics.	[11:18]
BTC-Mining	Eh, guess that's it for today, 4:30 am already	[11:34]
BTC-Mining	Goodbye.	[11:34]
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dub	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=115430.msg1273281#msg1273281	[12:45]
dub	payouts progressing well	[12:46]
asa1024	alol	[12:46]
asa1024	lol*	[12:46]
asa1024	sarcasm!	[12:46]
asa1024	I LIKE IT!	[12:46]
dub	you've got to wonder at the thought process	[12:47]
asa1024	I wonder everyday how I am able to get dressed in the morning.	[12:47]
asa1024	my next goal is to learn how to read and write! :D	[12:48]
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mircea_popescu	Got the same email, didn't receive any of the bitcoin that I had there, not one iota.	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	fun stuff.	[12:56]
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EskimoBob	angry usagi is back :) and trolling like never before. #_#	[13:08]
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dub	smickles: sounds suspiciously like the ellet idea	[23:04]
dub	smickles must be MNW	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	nowai ?!	[23:05]
smickles	ellet?	[23:06]
dub	e-wallet	[23:06]
jurov	so, coinbr now features imgur screenshot gallery.. with an exercise order that will make you dream	[23:08]
smickles	jurov: is there a 'stop-loss' feature?	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	imgur screenshot gallery ?! da fuck is that lol	[23:09]
jurov	not yet	[23:09]
jurov	by popular request... so that potential users can see it's not so scary as mpex	[23:11]
jurov	there was even idea that i do beautified order book	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	o o o lol	[23:11]
smickles	jeez	[23:12]
smickles	the blockchain taint tool indicates that usagi has hundreds of btc under his control	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	dun dun dun	[23:13]
thestringpuller	EskimoBob: you still around?	[23:13]
thestringpuller	jurov is there an api?	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	you want an api to talk to the thing which talks to my api ?	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	wtf!	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	people are set on breaking the internets	[23:16]
jurov	thestringpuller, https://github.com/jurov/MPExAgent	[23:16]
jurov	that needs mpex acct, tho. i don't see an coinbr api in near future.	[23:16]
jurov	high frequency trading with multiple users on one mpex acct is just not feasible atm.	[23:17]
smickles	why would you do high frequency trading w/o a 'maker rebate'?	[23:18]
thestringpuller	lol! i see	[23:18]
thestringpuller	i control things through bots mostly	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	there's a lot of problems to be accounted for. it's difficult to make a secure api in the first place. even if you do, making a chain of two be comparably fast to one alone is not trivial.	[23:20]
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smickles	i'm baffled	[23:23]
smickles	someone clearly violates a signed contract, and people accuse the violated party of scamming	[23:24]
*	riX2000_ is now known as riX2000	[23:24]
smickles	and it seems to happen so often	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	details ?!	[23:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00040845 = 7.3521 BTC [+]	[23:24]
smickles	mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118507	[23:25]
EskimoBob	thestringpuller: wzz up?	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	hm, contract says you have to use judge.me ?	[23:26]
smickles	mircea_popescu: that's arbitration tho, this is not a dispute resolution	[23:26]
smickles	there isn't even a dispute	[23:26]
smickles	usagi admits default	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	. Any controversy or claim	[23:27]
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smickles	how does that reach out to a scammer tag on bitcointalk?	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	well, let's see. usagi doesn't admit default, in what he posts there ?	[23:29]
smickles	he admitted it to me. but this is a side issue. agreeing to arbitration concerns the legal aspects of dispute resolution. not labels on a forum or private discussions	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	now, it's not a matter of YOU being a scammer, or the disclosure being improper or anything	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	but i can see how the forum people would go, well, come with a judge.me result first.	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	(forum people = those doling out the tags)	[23:31]
smickles	if they want the judge.me result for a scammertag, they are changing the way they do things	[23:31]
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mircea_popescu	why ?	[23:32]
smickles	because i recall them giving scammer tags to people who agreed to judge.me resolution w/o there even being a claim filed	[23:32]
thestringpuller	EskimoBob: lets take down Usagi rough shim up.	[23:33]
dub	shim it out	[23:34]
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mircea_popescu	smickles a, that's good then. link ?	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	(not me, them on the forum)	[23:35]
smickles	and the scammer tag is a warning mechanism, not a settlement process, this augustocroppo was assusing me of breaking the contract by calling for a scammer tag	[23:35]
pigeons	don't worry about forumrates	[23:35]
pigeons	*forumrats	[23:35]
smickles	mircea_popescu: oh, i'll look, but i don't feel confident i'll find it :\|	[23:36]
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thestringpuller	as mircea_popescu says, they are stuck in eternal september	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	smickles pigeons prolly has it, i vaguely recall that name under the idiot tag.	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	but as a general principle, it's hard to ask for any third party action on a contract with a dispute resolution clause that wasn't met.	[23:37]
smickles	funny thing is, there are a few people who owe usagi btc who are willing to pay this debt, usagi just has to agree	[23:37]
BTC-Mining	ah, at last	[23:38]
BTC-Mining	A vanity bitcoin address	[23:38]
smickles	that took a while	[23:38]
smickles	what did you get?	[23:38]
thestringpuller	i thought vanity addresses were easy to generate?	[23:38]
smickles	BTC-Mining either had bad luck, or low power	[23:39]
smickles	or wanted 12 characters or somehthing	[23:39]
BTC-Mining	I only have a 6950...	[23:39]
dub	depends on difficulty	[23:39]
BTC-Mining	Difficulty was between 800 - 900 billion	[23:40]
BTC-Mining	7 letter, case sensitive	[23:40]
BTC-Mining	1Namjies9JeJ4ugCzjkAj6dbaWrtjAFKCk	[23:40]
thestringpuller	amjies lol	[23:41]
BTC-Mining	I also wanted a number/capital letter following the letters	[23:41]
BTC-Mining	Namjies*	[23:41]
rdponticelli	You do deserve a scammer tag, smickles. How do you dare to expect a payback on a bitcoin loan? That's scamming!	[23:42]
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thestringpuller	it is scammibg	[23:42]
BTC-Mining	It had to start with that specific string and be followed by a number... pretty harsh.	[23:42]
BTC-Mining	I was only running at 11 megakey/s	[23:42]
BTC-Mining	rdponticelli, who was it who refused to repay loan because that was not "theft" since bitcoins aren't "real money"?	[23:44]
smickles	rdponticelli: IKR, and I discussed it in a non-binding fashion, outside of arbitration! How dare I?!	[23:44]
*	smickles is such a cocksucker he eats shit	[23:45]
pigeons	and you loaned the money to an unlicensed illegal insurance company that sold unregistered securities!	[23:46]
dub	to a magical samurai rabbit boy girl person no less	[23:46]
dub	tbh, scam accusations are retarded	[23:47]
pigeons	NO U!	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	dub depends. the girl's got theymos pretty talkative in short order.	[23:47]
dub	scam tags issued by a scammer are not useful	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	the process is more useful than the result i guess.	[23:47]
dub	nor is bitcointalk.org in ngeneral	[23:47]
smickles	dub: that's a good point	[23:48]
smickles	i should just stoppit with the forum already	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	smickles hire pr :D	[23:49]
smickles	heh, got a good recomendation?	[23:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6181 @ 0.00040703 = 2.5159 BTC [-]	[23:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3719 @ 0.00040613 = 1.5104 BTC [-]	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	notrly.	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	maybe reeses	[23:49]
smickles	lol	[23:50]
smickles	(lol before reeses, i dunno reeses)	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	you dunno reeses ?!	[23:50]
smickles	i've heard of reeses, but not interacted with reeses much	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	one of the few true girls on the interwebs. your loss.	[23:51]
rdponticelli	BTC-Mining: I don't know. I recall bulanula arguing that he can't return what was overpaid to him, because bitcoin transactions wasn't reversible	[23:51]
thestringpuller	the girl isnt a girl lol	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	o ?	[23:52]
thestringpuller	that was a question	[23:52]
thestringpuller	i am typing with my thumbs at work	[23:52]
pigeons	i'm typing with one hand too, everytime thestringpuller talks	[23:52]
thestringpuller	huh pigeons ?	[23:53]
thestringpuller	are you masturbating?	[23:53]
pigeons	hold on	[23:54]
pigeons	say something else	[23:54]
pigeons	say "I'm your sister"	[23:54]
copumpkin	I am your father	[23:55]
thestringpuller	i'm your sister as a teen	[23:55]
pigeons	oh copumpkin	[23:55]
dub	rdponticelli: bulanula was the first account I ignored, the final straw	[23:57]
dub	now im ruthless	[23:58]
*	mrdavis (~mrdavis@d118-75-117-26.try.wideopenwest.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:59]
dub	life is too short to even acknowledge people with so little worth	[23:59]

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