Forum logs for 15 Mar 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00079827 = 11.7745 BTC [-] [00:06]
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thestringpuller anyone have a mirror for BTCMSG? [00:29]
thestringpuller or is that dead? [00:29]
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ThickAsThieves can you have both a gpg and bitcoin registration in the same WoT listing? [00:49]
ThickAsThieves I see the hint of instructions on how to change it, but not clear on whether it just replaces it [00:49]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60602 BTC [-] [00:52]
ThickAsThieves lol WSJ has been making many typos lately "Weibo, Twitter’s China, Files for IPO in the U.S." [00:55]
ThickAsThieves " 4 [00:59]
ThickAsThieves inShare [00:59]
ThickAsThieves Today, the US government gave up a major portion of its control over the day-to-day functions of the internet, as the US Department of Commerce announced it was giving up its oversight role over ICANN" [00:59]
ThickAsThieves bled dry and left for the rats [00:59]
ThickAsThieves http://reason.com/blog/2014/03/12/watch-rep-jared-polis-subject-cash-to-th [01:00]
ozbot Watch Rep. Jared Polis Subject Cash to the Bitcoin-Regulation Test - Hit & Run : Reason.com [01:00]
ThickAsThieves hosted by Kennedy from MTV, lol [01:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.04525202 = 0.6335 BTC [-] {7} [01:06]
dub dealing with support people at a chinese supplier named Judith, Englebert and Romeo [01:06]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 43 @ 0.07186395 = 3.0901 BTC [-] {6} [01:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 26 @ 0.11950724 = 3.1072 BTC [-] [01:20]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00349397 = 0.1992 BTC [+] {2} [01:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 184 @ 0.00356026 = 0.6551 BTC [+] {4} [01:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.07398797 = 0.222 BTC [+] [01:32]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.0036381 = 0.1164 BTC [+] [01:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 204 @ 0.0036797 = 0.7507 BTC [+] {4} [01:36]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24085 @ 0.00079933 = 19.2519 BTC [+] {2} [01:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9965 @ 0.00079708 = 7.9429 BTC [-] [01:41]
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cads I just don't want to have to write a feature detector that needs to know about the global geometry at play... maybe I can train a feature detector that just detects the silhouette fingerprint of localized choppiness and other print failures. [02:08]
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moiety fucks sake, it's busy in here tonight! [02:46]
moiety http://i.imgur.com/wdHNYsd.jpg new business on fb [02:46]
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lnovy hehe.. when you switch a drug amphetamine test strip with pregnacy strip and the girl is clean, he will test pregnant :) And she can even show this before soon-to-be husband:) There a great bussiness in Poland with these... [02:50]
lnovy s/he/she/ [02:50]
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bitcoinpete ;;later tell mircea_popescu: I should check out the film, I've only seen the mainstage production :) I'm not sure how very strange my naiveté is. I'm less naive than I was 2 months ago, prior to the commencement of my IRC yeshiva, but hardly deserving of expectation. Either way, and as always, thx for reading and the feedback.You're like having a younger Taleb as a personal tutor... [03:49]
gribble The operation succeeded. [03:49]
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midnightmagic ooOOooo film recommendation? I love those, which one, bitcoinpete? [03:55]
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bitcoinpete http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_King_and_I_(1956_film) [03:58]
ozbot The King and I (1956 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [03:58]
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bitcoinpete http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgVPnWmUqd4 [04:04]
ozbot Yul Brynner and Deborah Kerr perform "Shall We Dance" - YouTube [04:04]
bitcoinpete What a scene. Brynner, such a pleasure to behold, has the most unbelievable poise and strength of movement. Not a single muscle fibre out of sorts. [04:07]
TomServo https://blog.ageispolis.net/foxacid-at-hope9/ [04:19]
ozbot Suspected NSA FOXACID server advertised at HOPE 9 | Wireless Fantasy [04:19]
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MisterE morning [04:22]
MisterE http://www.ibtimes.com/gazprom-chairman-sold-his-entire-company-stake-february-day-shares-fell-13-percent-report-1561525 [04:22]
ozbot Gazprom Chairman Sold His Entire Company Stake In February, A Day Before Shares Fell 13 Percent: Rep [04:22]
chetty bitcoinpete: cool just about my favorite movie/actor [04:28]
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moiety I haven't seen the film but ive seen a stage production of the king and i [04:31]
moiety lnovy:that's crazy about the test strips! [04:31]
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lnovy moiety: the drug test shows 2 lines when clean, 3 lines when under drugs... pregnancy show 1 for clean, 2 for pregnancy :) [04:39]
moiety mental! [04:39]
bitcoinpete chetty: I can see why. [04:40]
MisterE it's funny how you call the opposite or pregnant "clean" :p [04:40]
lnovy this is actually not very known in Poland and pregnant girls are buying tests by tens and selling those already pissed :) [04:40]
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MisterE wow [04:40]
lnovy =) [04:40]
MisterE pre-pissed tests [04:40]
lnovy yes :) [04:40]
MisterE do the Japs know about this? [04:41]
bitcoinpete Well, I'm out for tonight. Date night and all. Cheers fellas. [04:41]
MisterE they will be all over that [04:41]
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lnovy http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/04/showbiz/craigslist-pregnancy-kit-sale-trend/ [04:41]
ozbot Women selling positive pregnancy tests on Craigslist - CNN.com [04:41]
MisterE fucking pete with the blog and dates and life.... [04:41]
MisterE have fun man [04:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.05025 = 0.402 BTC [-] {2} [04:41]
moiety why sell a positive one? not like you can back it up 9 months later [04:42]
Duffer1 they're popular near military bases [04:42]
lnovy false positive my darling, but we are already married :) [04:42]
lnovy make me another :) [04:42]
moiety OMG [04:42]
moiety thats fucked up [04:42]
lnovy life is a bitch [04:42]
Duffer1 get your claws in a man, he gets deployed, get knocked up [04:42]
moiety D>I>V>O>R>C>E> you lying cunt! [04:43]
lnovy or they are used to get money for "abortion" [04:43]
joecool hm i remember some months back a guy pissed on one for the hell of it and it came back positive, turns out had testicular cancer [04:43]
moiety wtf [04:43]
Duffer1 ya well divorce in america = 1/2 [04:43]
DiabloD3 yeah I dont know why more men dont use prenups [04:43]
Duffer1 so she wins no matter what unless the guy is actively aware of the scam and dumps her lyin ass before marriage [04:43]
moiety joecool: i thought they tested for oestrogen levels [04:43]
joecool moiety: apparently having cancer can cause them to flag positive [04:44]
moiety prenup? just dont bag a lying bitch [04:44]
DiabloD3 all bitches are lying [04:44]
Duffer1 their target is 18 year old hillbillies who don't know any better, and have nothin better to do than join the army [04:44]
moiety fuuuuuuuuuuuu [04:44]
moiety wow [04:44]
moiety christ the more i hear, thelss i like people [04:45]
moiety the less* [04:45]
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Duffer1 oh here's the fun part, in the US if you've cared for the child, then find out later it's not yours, family court will still likely find you liable for child support [04:54]
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moiety did you see the sperm donor that is getting done for child support? [05:01]
Duffer1 i haven't but i'm not surprised [05:01]
moiety couple lesbians ordered him on craiglist (<<< lol) but they didn't follow proper procedure and home inseminated. therefore states says he's the daddy [05:02]
moiety state* [05:02]
moiety must pay support. kid is like 4 now i think too [05:02]
Duffer1 ouch [05:02]
moiety most expensive wank he has ever had i'll bet [05:03]
Duffer1 hehe [05:04]
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* [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp [05:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=507529.0 :p [05:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0059 = 0.118 BTC [-] [05:29]
mircea_popescu andspeaking of which, copumpkin check this guy out https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=ul25uaqbfplpcom0n928ij4sa3&topic=507529.msg5681654#msg5681654 [05:29]
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moiety is it later tell or tell later for gribbling to someone that isn't here btw? [05:42]
Duffer1 ;;later tell moiety test [05:43]
gribble The operation succeeded. [05:43]
moiety ty Duffer1! [05:43]
Duffer1 ^.^ [05:43]
mircea_popescu yeah it is [05:43]
moiety ;;later tell benkay http://getpopcornti.me/ shut down already [05:43]
gribble The operation succeeded. [05:43]
moiety ty! [05:44]
mircea_popescu what was that ? [05:48]
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copumpkin mircea_popescu: weird [05:50]
mircea_popescu wild ? you did not know that ? [05:51]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you can have both [05:53]
mircea_popescu cads sonar was made for that application. [05:54]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell bitcoinpete you've seen the mainstage production of tom green's freddie got fingered ?! that existed ?! [05:56]
gribble The operation succeeded. [05:56]
moiety it was a link that benkay posted a few days ago, saying bout time. streaming movies from torrents mircea_popescu just heard just now it went down already [05:57]
mircea_popescu http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/10695204/Paranoia-leads-Vladimir-Putin-to-the-point-of-no-return.html [05:58]
ozbot Paranoia leads Vladimir Putin to the point of no return - Telegraph [05:58]
moiety baha i need to read this [05:58]
mircea_popescu this is perhaps the best i've read on the topic, for any value of best equal "entertaining due to the propaganda dial being turned to such 11, the insanity of the whole process becomes obvious even to the casual observer resulting in an unintentional self-parody quality" [05:59]
moiety "Tragically, he really thought he could be the West’s friend, failing to see that his own repressive policies made that impossible." errr since fucking when? [06:03]
moiety i don't think Putin seems to care about making pals. Our DC calls him to tell him to calm down every 5 minutes [06:04]
ThickAsThieves ;;eauth ThickAsThieves [06:06]
gribble Error: You have not registered a GPG key. Try using bcauth instead, or register a GPG key first. [06:06]
mircea_popescu it's epic, ima write it up. [06:07]
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ThickAsThieves i'm having trouble sorting out how to add my gpg key to otc [06:11]
ThickAsThieves i uploaded it to MIT [06:11]
ThickAsThieves and then i did a ;;changekey [06:12]
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joecool mircea_popescu: april already? [06:12]
ThickAsThieves but when i try to everify it says no request [06:12]
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ThickAsThieves outstanding [06:12]
mircea_popescu joecool sorry ? [06:12]
joecool mircea_popescu: that article you linked [06:12]
joecool is it april already? [06:12]
mircea_popescu o as in 1st ? hehe. maybe in some timezones. [06:13]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i think there's a special command like addkey or somesuch [06:13]
mircea_popescu you'll gotta read the docs [06:13]
joecool mircea_popescu: !gpg changekey i think [06:13]
joecool er ThickAsThieves [06:13]
joecool when in doubt ping nanotube [06:13]
ThickAsThieves i did it! [06:14]
joecool !ident ThickAsThieves [06:14]
ThickAsThieves ;;eauth ThickAsThieves [06:14]
gribble Request successful for user ThickAsThieves, hostmask ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@c-98-231-58-41.hsd1.fl.comcast.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/B28732FE807495EC [06:14]
joecool ;;ident ThickAsThieves [06:14]
gribble Nick 'ThickAsThieves', with hostmask 'ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@c-98-231-58-41.hsd1.fl.comcast.net', is identified as user 'ThickAsThieves', with GPG key id B28732FE807495EC, key fingerprint D649FD3B664A6BCF801D727EB28732FE807495EC, and bitcoin address 1NfXM69erAWPDdNrZ2k2UkuV7HDPc6Ebwk [06:14]
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ThickAsThieves ;;eauth ThickAsThieves [06:15]
gribble Request successful for user ThickAsThieves, hostmask ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/B28732FE807495EC [06:15]
mircea_popescu seems you got both. [06:15]
mircea_popescu aha wd. [06:15]
jborkl_ http://bcoinnews.com/2014/03/14/questions-about-bitcoin/ [06:15]
jborkl_ I have not proofed this yet, but if you guys would not mind reading it and telling me if you think it sounds like I have down syndrome [06:16]
ThickAsThieves now i need to look up what an encrypted OTP is and what i need it for [06:16]
Duffer1 it's the message you need to sign for ;;everify [06:17]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves open terminal, go "gpg" paste it there [06:18]
ThickAsThieves got it [06:18]
ThickAsThieves ;;eauth ThickAsThieves [06:18]
gribble Request successful for user ThickAsThieves, hostmask ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/B28732FE807495EC [06:18]
ThickAsThieves not really sure what i did [06:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0059 = 0.236 BTC [-] [06:19]
ThickAsThieves but i followed instructions and it worked [06:19]
joecool jborkl_: no glaring things wrong with the writing. a couple quotes missing and maybe some comma weirdness [06:19]
ThickAsThieves felt like i verified twice [06:19]
ThickAsThieves is the last part just to make sure it works both ways? [06:19]
ThickAsThieves I assume I do not save the OTP [06:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60522201 BTC [-] [06:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0059 = 0.59 BTC [-] [06:20]
joecool ThickAsThieves: you can pipe it from curl to gpg [06:20]
jborkl_ joecool, thank you. I will make sure to look at that [06:20]
joecool jborkl_: what region are you from? [06:20]
jborkl_ Texas [06:20]
Duffer1 paste the OTP mesage into where you sign messages, copy the result, then come back and type ;;everify signedmessageresulthere [06:21]
ThickAsThieves i did [06:21]
ThickAsThieves it worked [06:21]
Duffer1 it's proof you can sign [06:21]
joecool jborkl_: i figured US but writing is a little different than northeast [06:21]
ThickAsThieves ;;gettrust ThickAsThieves [06:21]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user ThickAsThieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=ThickAsThieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ThickAsThieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013 [06:21]
jborkl_ Well, I am left handed also. So I am naturally kinda strange anyway [06:22]
joecool i'm ambidextrous, even worse [06:22]
jborkl_ heh [06:22]
joecool ;;gettrust ThickAsThieves [06:23]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves. Trust relationship from user joecool to user ThickAsThieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joecool&dest=ThickAsThieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ThickAsThieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013 [06:23]
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ThickAsThieves jborkl_ I haz edits for you [06:27]
jborkl_ ok excellent [06:27]
ThickAsThieves pm's as i read [06:28]
jborkl_ ok, Thank you for the input. I do appreciate it [06:29]
joecool no problem [06:30]
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asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu if the pc can deterministically find that a [hardware btc wallet | gpg apparatus | trng | etc] is plugged in, owner is fucked. [07:03]
gribble Error: "hardware" is not a valid command. [07:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.03542448 = 0.1417 BTC [+] [07:03]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu if the pc can deterministically find that a hardware btc wallet | gpg apparatus | trng | etc is plugged in, owner is fucked. [07:03]
gribble The operation succeeded. [07:03]
joecool asciilifeform: solution is easy to that [07:04]
asciilifeform yes, yes it is [07:04]
asciilifeform but tell the 'trezor' etc. folks that. [07:04]
joecool asciilifeform: put a button on it and/or limit number of pin attempts [07:04]
joecool asciilifeform: i need to play with the yubikey neo implementation of bip32 [07:04]
asciilifeform !??? [07:04]
asciilifeform joecool: this is a grave misconception. if pc can 'if XXX then hardware wallet is present' even once, you're fucked. [07:05]
joecool asciilifeform: maybe i'm misunderstanding you. my system can tell if my openpgp smartcard is present [07:06]
asciilifeform yes, and hence the smartcard is garbage. [07:06]
joecool an attacker *could* attempt 3 times to use it with a pin [07:06]
joecool before it locks itself out forever [07:07]
joecool so it's a non-issue [07:07]
asciilifeform doesn't matter - you unlock the card, and it signs whatever kernel wants it to sign. [07:07]
joecool asciilifeform: except it needs a pin every time to do it, and it needs to be physically present [07:07]
asciilifeform attacker pwns the pc, you personally unlock the card, thinking you will do operation X, in actuality: Y. [07:07]
joecool asciilifeform: that's assuming quite a bit [07:08]
joecool same could be said about software wallet without factoring in hardware [07:09]
asciilifeform sure. [07:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00080371 = 8.7604 BTC [+] [07:10]
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asciilifeform the whole point in taking the trouble to design a hardware gizmo [07:13]
asciilifeform is to assume a future encounter with a pwned host machine [07:13]
asciilifeform if you have an amulet of invincibility and the gods have informed you that you will never encounter a pwned pc, you need no exotic hardware. [07:14]
asciilifeform can use standard btc client, gpg, etc. [07:14]
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asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu the correct way to do 'hardware wallet is' -- well, why piss out out here. 'obvious to alert reader.' [07:28]
gribble The operation succeeded. [07:28]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-the-telegraph/ [07:32]
ozbot Let’s do the telegraph pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [07:32]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell jborkl_ perhaps the oil painting example is weak, seeing how the artist would probably benefit from being physically present for the wedding. [07:35]
gribble The operation succeeded. [07:35]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell jborkl_ the point about "over regulate people" is vague, in that nobody, from obama to ayn rand, believe their activity is "over regulatory". indeed, all over regulators in history carefully consider the point of over regulation (in their own reference frame) and decide they're being reasonable. [07:37]
gribble The operation succeeded. [07:37]
mircea_popescu and for that matter it'd be a lot saner if you stuck around for few hours after asking for input on an article in so i don't have to make gribble work overtime [07:37]
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chetty http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_MALAYSIA_PLANE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-03-14-23-57-32 [07:38]
ozbot News from The Associated Press [07:38]
mircea_popescu anyway, the statement of that point im happy with is in http://trilema.com/2013/stage-n-bitcoin-exists/ [07:38]
mircea_popescu specifically, "As far as experience shows, people don’t tend to support states that either stupidly or unwittingly include rules among their enemies. You can’t win a war against math, or against drugs, or against “social injustice”, or “kulaks”. Soon after the Soviet government moved its focus from entities to rules, it lost the support of the people. Soon after the other-Soviet government moved its focus f [07:39]
mircea_popescu rom entities to rules, it also lost the support of the people. There weren’t that many people burning American flags in 1860, you know ? Why do you think not ? You can support a government killing Indians, or bison. You can’t support a government fighting chemical compounds." [07:39]
mircea_popescu this'd be a better distinction than simply over/under, because it's a difference in kind not degree. [07:39]
mircea_popescu ymmv. [07:39]
chetty If that plane went on for hours why werent the people on board using cell phones? [07:43]
asciilifeform chetty: not much cell service in the sea. [07:43]
mircea_popescu you need a tower reasonably close [07:43]
chetty they were over land there of a while [07:45]
mircea_popescu then again... chinese people. someone probably told them not to use cell phones [07:46]
mircea_popescu and so they didn't. period. [07:46]
asciilifeform also helps to remember that cell jammer fits in a belt buckle if necessary. [07:47]
asciilifeform or, if you like exciting life, in the plane's own instrumentation. [07:47]
chetty good point asciilifeform [07:47]
mircea_popescu did they ever get fitted with that in the end ? [07:47]
asciilifeform you know, the same one that gets a magic packet and steers the flying coffin 1000km into the sea and then down. [07:47]
moiety my sides mircea_popescu !!!!!! [07:49]
mircea_popescu moiety what did you do ? [07:49]
joecool asciilifeform: cell jammers are also much more effective as they move away from towers [07:49]
moiety feeeh-lings [07:49]
moiety read your article [07:49]
mircea_popescu o o hehe [07:50]
asciilifeform the most effective cell jammer doesn't simply piss out white noise, but emulates a functioning tower - one which happens to route calls into '/dev/null' [07:50]
asciilifeform you can't buy this one from 'alibaba' but there it is. [07:51]
joecool asciilifeform: there are a lot of standards to cover with a fake tower [07:51]
asciilifeform power needed is miniscule [07:51]
mircea_popescu yeah srsly, prolly white noise most effectual [07:51]
asciilifeform joecool: this is a commercial product [07:51]
asciilifeform ;;google imsi catcher [07:51]
gribble IMSI-catcher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The body-worn “IMSI catcher” for all your covert phone snooping ...: ; Septier IMSI Catcher: [07:51]
mircea_popescu haha cell mitm ? [07:51]
asciilifeform 'catcher' is normally pictured as a wiretapping tool [07:52]
asciilifeform but is perfectly adequate for this other purpose. [07:52]
asciilifeform all known cell systems use 'toy' crypto [07:52]
asciilifeform and certainly no serious authentication of 'this is a genuine tower' [07:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0516 = 0.1548 BTC [-] [07:52]
mircea_popescu this is engineering these days. [07:52]
joecool gsm mitm is fairly easy with 2G technologies, the hardware isn't very expensive and the software is opensource [07:52]
asciilifeform this is cell engineering from day 1. [07:53]
mircea_popescu the whole banking system was well fucked, what with its odd notions of a cheque [07:53]
mircea_popescu so knowing that, let's build another whole industry on rotten basics [07:53]
asciilifeform the mandatory use of toy crypto in consumer telephony was blatant and entirely conspicuous. [07:53]
mircea_popescu i have no idea who exactly would wish to live in a world where a company making a product asks any government what it thinks on the topic. [07:56]
asciilifeform i've suggested before that it is a mistake to see u.s. tech firms (certainly after ww2) as meaningfully separate from usg. [07:57]
asciilifeform the cliche 'privatize profits, public pays losses' is overused, but applies. [07:57]
mircea_popescu it's by now a mistake to see anything in the us command economy as meaningfully separate from anything else. [07:58]
mircea_popescu they've plainly confessed to it what with the "too big to fail" doctrine, [07:58]
asciilifeform they've been linked in this way since the war. [07:58]
mircea_popescu which is strctly command economy under another name [07:58]
asciilifeform in the case of at&t and certain others, arguably earlier. [07:58]
mircea_popescu i guess so. [07:58]
asciilifeform microshit, for instance, is quite easily 'Department of Software' [07:59]
mircea_popescu hey, even sacred monsters a la buffett are reduced to teary eyed confessions of belief in the party, even at the zenith of their career/intellectual lucidity [07:59]
joecool asciilifeform: i'd argue longer actually than WW2 [07:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.03652008 = 0.1096 BTC [+] [07:59]
asciilifeform 'play ball' or 'have problems.' [07:59]
mircea_popescu someone did this as power moved from lenin to stalin but i don't recall who the fuck [07:59]
mircea_popescu they wheeled in some ancient revolutionary bolshevik to praise the party. [08:00]
joecool asciilifeform: i mean the communication framework was setup in the early 30's [08:00]
asciilifeform voroshilov ? [08:00]
mircea_popescu joecool i guess there's a good point here, in the sense that the infrastructure is really old, phreakin did exist, what is one to do [08:00]
mircea_popescu but let me point out that digital comms is a whole new industry. [08:01]
mircea_popescu none of the old infrastructure was usable, not really, towers is one thing copper is another and so on [08:01]
joecool mircea_popescu: unless you count telegraph as digital [08:01]
mircea_popescu my original comments refer strictly to this, while old landline is what it is, nobody forced cellphones to suck [08:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes that's him. [08:02]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.05333313 = 0.64 BTC [+] {4} [08:29]
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mircea_popescu soo, the missing plane is placed between kazakhstan and turkmenistan now ? [08:32]
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mircea_popescu the false flag conpiracy theory is getting better and better hah [08:33]
bitcoinpete Most of the false flagging seems to be in oz right now, the no-longer-black-haired-bernie is back with penis-nosed motor racing [08:34]
bitcoinpete who here is from oz again? benkay? [08:35]
mircea_popescu cazalla [08:35]
bitcoinpete right [08:35]
bitcoinpete ;;later tell MisterE haha it's a balancing act [08:36]
gribble The operation succeeded. [08:36]
cazalla and a lovely saturday evening it is here [08:36]
bitcoinpete looks soggy in melbourne, guessing you're elsewhere [08:37]
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cazalla it's stormy but that's how i like it [08:41]
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mircea_popescu http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-S3iw8xgb964/Udcz4b_ly9I/AAAAAAAAYrw/dJWKscaa8r8/s1600/1111No-MoreAK-47sSaysSpyMasterAnnaChapman-Aa-468x547.jpg [08:43]
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cazalla i guess lovely was the wrong word, it's more cozy with the storm coming over [08:46]
cazalla bitcoinpete: you're from canada, right? a brother in the commonwealth [08:47]
bitcoinpete 100% [08:47]
bitcoinpete Was in London last week too at the seat of the empire [08:48]
bitcoinpete it's overlord central [08:49]
bitcoinpete here, we're finally in the plusses and enjoying spring [08:49]
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bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: I helped write the adaptation. Someone had to. [08:50]
mircea_popescu the what ? [08:50]
bitcoinpete the adaptation of freddie got fingered, the mainstage production? [08:51]
mircea_popescu haha where was this ? [08:52]
bitcoinpete haha I'm still trying to figure out where you pulled the tom green bit from in the first place. I thought we were on the King & I. Or is Tom the Canadian King, and I Anna? [08:55]
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mircea_popescu the two seem unrelated ? [08:57]
mircea_popescu you mixing two articles together ? [08:57]
bitcoinpete 03:56:21 mircea_popescu:;;later tell bitcoinpete you've seen the mainstage production of tom green's freddie got fingered ?! that existed ?! >> What was this in reference to? [09:00]
mircea_popescu Mar 15 03:49:38 ;;later tell mircea_popescu: I should check out the film, I've only seen the mainstage production :) [09:00]
bitcoinpete which was a response to: 17:37:20mircea_popescu:;;later tell bitcoinpete yul killed in that king of siam role :D [09:01]
mircea_popescu o o okay. [09:01]
bitcoinpete I hadn't heard anyone mention tom green in years, probably longer than a king of siam reference lol [09:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07356668 = 0.4414 BTC [-] {2} [09:02]
bitcoinpete And Lewey Hamilton is on pole at the first F1 race of the season [09:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07297007 = 1.0946 BTC [-] {4} [09:03]
bitcoinpete Didn't know Ricciardo is Australian... He's 2nd on the grid. [09:04]
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bitcoinpete http://themisescircle.org/blog/2014/03/14/the-coming-demise-of-the-altcoins/ [09:05]
ozbot The Coming Demise of the Altcoins (And What You Can Do to Hasten It) [09:05]
mircea_popescu why would one want to hasten it. [09:05]
mircea_popescu these purists. [09:06]
bitcoinpete "Altcoins are not viable because they cannot reproduce that which gives Bitcoin an overwhelming competitive edge: its market cap." Neglects that pre-mined recently that was actually useful developmentally for Bitcoin. Name escapes me... [09:08]
bitcoinpete "It is unethical to create an altcoin with the purpose of making money off of it for this reason. They should not be taken seriously." [09:08]
chetty trees make many blossoms, few fruits [09:10]
mircea_popescu hey, i had it without reading it. purist argument from dumbland. [09:13]
mircea_popescu i suppose ceramic armor plates on tanks don't shoot, either, and so it's immoral to spend military funds on armor plating research and deployment [09:14]
mircea_popescu themisescircle said so [09:14]
bitcoinpete i like that analogy [09:19]
bitcoinpete anyhoo. just stopped in briefly before bed. cheers [09:20]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00080431 = 9.33 BTC [+] [09:26]
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mircea_popescu ;;estimate [09:36]
gribble Next difficulty estimate | 4536337702.16 based on data since last change | 4543209321.87 based on data for last three days [09:36]
mircea_popescu DiabloD3: yeah I dont know why more men dont use prenups << because most men are deadbeats anyway. [09:38]
mircea_popescu or in george's gf's words, "Ha.Ha.Ha. ha...You don't have any money. I make more money than you do. ha. ha. ha. Yeah.. give me the papers I'll sign 'em.( she leaves) a pre-nup..." [09:38]
kakobrekla :) [09:39]
kakobrekla nvm [09:39]
kakobrekla was suppose to go in the other box. [09:39]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3780 @ 0.00080431 = 3.0403 BTC [+] [10:13]
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kakobrekla http://twitter.com/BtcDanny/status/444687265483460609 [10:50]
ozbot Twitter / BtcDanny: Cyprus #2 on google trends ... [10:50]
kakobrekla ok lol [10:50]
kakobrekla slovenia has 2 mio ppl. [10:50]
kakobrekla another day or two and we will fuck up the states. [10:50]
mircea_popescu where do you bury them all. [11:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00080438 = 19.6671 BTC [+] {2} [11:12]
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mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1w8tib/neo_bee_zipzap_danny_brewster_serious_concerns/ [11:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 32 @ 0.01502577 = 0.4808 BTC [-] {4} [11:15]
mircea_popescu so to this day if i google "neobee" i get 1st a havelock link and 2nd a webmail account for neobee.net, then reddit and btctalk pages. [11:15]
mircea_popescu meanwhile a 23yo fuckwith stated that "The public facing websites are being tied into the advertising campaign which starts on 1st Feb. If you have concerns about me then so be it, if you would also like me to spend my time delivering updates then just say, however I do look forward to proving posts like these wrong." [11:16]
mircea_popescu we're not on the 1st of february, nor are we on the first of march, nor are we living in the alternative world where craig woods is a businesswoman or danny webster a ceo. [11:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00014509 = 0.2902 BTC [-] {5} [11:18]
mircea_popescu kinda sums up nicely the earlier http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2014#560018 [11:18]
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mircea_popescu also would be nice to get a read as to whether danny webster is an uneducated welder from Leicestershire who tends to get involved in street fights. his subnormal mug certainly supports that theory. [11:20]
mircea_popescu http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Leicestershire-man-coma-hospital-Cyprus-holiday/story-19428449-detail/story.html [11:20]
ozbot Danny Brewster, 22, of Whitwick, fighting for life in coma after accident in Cyprus | Leicest [11:20]
kakobrekla oh wow [11:21]
kakobrekla quick recovery :) [11:21]
mircea_popescu yeah. [11:23]
mircea_popescu funny how people who can't afford personal travel arrangements in june are suddenly ceos in september. [11:23]
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kakobrekla http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.2600 [11:31]
ozbot Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock] [11:31]
kakobrekla last page,.. even the retards are starting to get it, amazing. [11:32]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [11:32]
Duffer1 .d [11:38]
ozbot 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1656 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.3701% in 10d 12h 45m 45s [11:38]
mircea_popescu time for new retards ? [11:39]
Duffer1 spring is upon us, the new field of retards will need another month at least to grow [11:39]
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Duffer1 ;seen pankakke [11:45]
Duffer1 ;;seen pankakke [11:45]
gribble I have not seen pankakke. [11:45]
mircea_popescu "To understand the change, we need to look at some major factors that affect levels of corporate profitability generally. Businesses in industries with both substantial over-capacity and a “commodity” product (undifferentiated in any customer-important way by factors such as performance, appearance, service support, etc.) are prime candidates for profit troubles. These may be escaped, true, if prices or costs are [11:46]
mircea_popescu administered in some manner and thereby insulated at least partially from normal market forces. This administration can be carried out (a) legally through government intervention (until recently, this category included pricing for truckers and deposit costs for financial institutions), (b) illegally through collusion, or (c) “extra-legally” through OPEC-style foreign cartelization (with tag-along benefits for dom [11:46]
mircea_popescu estic non-cartel operators). [11:46]
mircea_popescu If, however, costs and prices are determined by full-bore competition, there is more than ample capacity, and the buyer cares little about whose product or distribution services he uses, industry economics are almost certain to be unexciting. They may well be disastrous." [11:46]
mircea_popescu buffet on the topic of "god forbid the free market works" [11:46]
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Duffer1 "I’m not sure what the implication is here, perhaps that he should be receiving his information from Wikileaks, like the rest of us ? " [12:00]
Duffer1 deserves an 'oh snap' [12:01]
mircea_popescu ohsnap.jpg [12:06]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://25.media.tumblr.com/7bfcdda0062963b9fd89c2f05d95dea9/tumblr_mtmbhf6lwn1rztzruo1_1280.jpg [12:12]
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Duffer1 did TaT not vet the NEO principles? [12:32]
Duffer1 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=516460.0 [12:32]
ozbot Calling out the premier scam on Havelock at the moment [12:32]
Apocalyptic .d [12:34]
ozbot 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1652 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.2775% in 10d 12h 8m 41s [12:34]
mircea_popescu i have no idea. [12:35]
ThickAsThieves lol cmon now [12:44]
ThickAsThieves yknow the whole coma Danny B was already covered here [12:45]
ThickAsThieves they dont even look alike [12:45]
Duffer1 i haven't kept up with the gossip [12:45]
Duffer1 how's neo doin btw? [12:45]
mircea_popescu i've not followed it either. how do they look ? [12:46]
ThickAsThieves it's 9mo-old gossip that lasted a few hours due to having the same name [12:46]
mircea_popescu http://cy.linkedin.com/pub/danny-brewster/75/95/552 < so is that him ? [12:47]
ozbot Danny Brewster - Cyprus | LinkedIn [12:47]
ThickAsThieves i have no idea if he made that [12:48]
ThickAsThieves neo has already committed to professionally prepared quarterly financial reports, so assuming they follow-through, the IPO funds *should* be accounted for [12:48]
mircea_popescu ok, so where did he go to school ? [12:48]
ThickAsThieves i do not recall [12:49]
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ThickAsThieves he's not hard to reach [12:49]
mircea_popescu well guy can answer in his own time, what's the big deal. [12:49]
ThickAsThieves if you have questions [12:49]
ThickAsThieves what's the big deal indeed [12:49]
mircea_popescu i don't talk privately to nobodies, in general. so he can answer and that's all. [12:49]
ThickAsThieves the whole post sound slike something out of a tabloid [12:49]
LordPutin that coma incident is wow [12:50]
ThickAsThieves yknow neobee isn't the name of the company [12:50]
ThickAsThieves just the stock [12:50]
ThickAsThieves even so,adding a space fixes your problem [12:51]
ThickAsThieves http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=neo+bee [12:51]
ozbot Let me google that for you [12:51]
mircea_popescu https://www.google.com/search?q=danny+brewster+cyprus&complete=0#complete=0&q=danny+brewster+lmh+holdings that doesn't look much better either. [12:51]
ThickAsThieves anywho, you are right, he can defend himself, i'm just pointing out that the accusations are a bit off the wall [12:52]
mircea_popescu gives the man the space to shine. [12:54]
mircea_popescu http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/neo-bee.com < kinda curious how much that weeklong blip cost in fiat terms [12:55]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16315 @ 0.00080221 = 13.0881 BTC [-] {2} [13:00]
wao-ender lul http://www.sexandrome.it/crisi-il-sesso-si-paga-in-bitcoin/ [13:04]
mircea_popescu LA TESTIMONIANZA. Me lo conferma Pascal, gigolò romano. “Sono stato contattato da un’imprenditrice svizzera – dice in esclusiva a “Sex and Rome”-. Durante la cena, tra una chiacchiera e l’altra, in attesa di passare dal vino al letto, scopro che anche lei, come me, ha investito nei bitcoin e sfruttato la bolla di marzo” [13:06]
mircea_popescu lol. [13:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.07 = 1.26 BTC [-] [13:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07000001 = 0.35 BTC [+] [13:28]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19414 @ 0.0008054 = 15.636 BTC [+] {2} [13:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10385 @ 0.00080208 = 8.3296 BTC [-] {2} [13:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1265 @ 0.00080098 = 1.0132 BTC [-] [13:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06799889 = 0.136 BTC [+] [13:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.07 = 1.96 BTC [-] [13:46]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [14:52]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 632.5, Best ask: 632.59, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 632.6, 24 hour volume: 5626.22586279, 24 hour low: 625.29, 24 hour high: 644.0, 24 hour vwap: 632.126883265 [14:52]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker --eur [14:52]
gribble (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message) [14:52]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker --curreency eur [14:53]
gribble (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message) [14:53]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker --currency eur [14:53]
gribble Bitstamp BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 454.70425, Best ask: 454.768951, Bid-ask spread: 0.06470, Last trade: 454.77614, 24 hour volume: 5626.14529822, 24 hour low: 449.520981, 24 hour high: 462.9716, 24 hour vwap: 454.436016379 [14:53]
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Apocalyptic I wonder what rates does gribble use for USD/EUR [14:57]
mircea_popescu these were bitstamp [14:59]
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mircea_popescu ;;tslb [15:15]
mircea_popescu "A Rational Discussion Medium Focusing on Cryptocurrency, Cryptography and Privacy Claim your bitcointalk.org username on Cryptanalys.is to redeem your free karma today!" [15:16]
mircea_popescu moiety is that you ? [15:16]
gribble Time since last block: 3 minutes and 24 seconds [15:17]
mircea_popescu heh mkay. [15:18]
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peterl a new bitcoin forum? [15:20]
mircea_popescu seems like it [15:21]
Apocalyptic I heard goat is building one too [15:23]
Apocalyptic tired of driving his lambo it seems [15:23]
davout Apocalyptic: prolly http://www.ecb.europa.eu/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml [15:23]
peterl meh, doesn't impress at first glance [15:23]
davout or so i'd hope [15:23]
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mircea_popescu http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/02/meet-littleredbunny-the-queen-of-cam-girls.html#url=/articles/2014/03/02/meet-littleredbunny-the-queen-of-cam-girls.html [15:36]
ozbot Meet LittleRedBunny, the Queen of Cam Girls - The Daily Beast [15:36]
mircea_popescu teh press at its best [15:36]
mircea_popescu "She says that on a typical night on cam she can lose up to five pounds from all the work." [15:37]
mircea_popescu fatties have no excuse now. [15:38]
LordPutin will mpoer be fired over her blunder re: neo? [15:42]
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assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00210539 = 0.9474 BTC [+] [15:55]
peterl what blunder is that? [15:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00368799 = 0.1033 BTC [+] [16:01]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-] [16:06]
mircea_popescu considering she didn't get fired over her blunder re: pirate, back in 2012, in spite of all the gigavps & co lobbying... [16:08]
mircea_popescu seems unlikely. [16:08]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00080551 = 4.8331 BTC [+] [16:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.60315 = 3.6189 BTC [-] {3} [16:20]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-] [16:23]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/712/bitcoin-difficulty-over-5-6b-before-april/ [16:25]
ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty over 5.6B before April [16:25]
mircea_popescu if this thing ends up yes... [16:25]
mircea_popescu .d [16:25]
ozbot 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1624 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.5522% in 10d 7h 25m 37s [16:25]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 5.6 / 4.25 [16:25]
gribble 1.31764705882 [16:25]
mircea_popescu not even that impossible. [16:25]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 4.25 * 1.3 ** 3 [16:27]
gribble 9.33725 [16:27]
FabianB $depth X.IDIFF.MAR [16:27]
mpexbot FabianB: X.IDIFF.MAR Bids: ['200 @ 0.00290837'] [16:27]
mircea_popescu meanwhile http://bitbet.us/bet/740/may-i-suggest-9b-difficulty/ actually has better odds [16:27]
mpexbot FabianB: Asks: ['50 @ 0.0039', '10 @ 0.00395132', '20 @ 0.00396235', '50 @ 0.00398101', '200 @ 0.0040107'] [16:27]
asciilifeform http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_14/US-drone-intercepted-in-Crimean-airspace-Russias-state-corporation-2994 [16:27]
ozbot US drone intercepted in Crimean airspace - Russia's state corporation - News - World - The Voice of [16:27]
asciilifeform and naturally, [16:28]
asciilifeform http://www.ibtimes.com/pentagon-russian-reports-us-drone-intercepted-over-crimea-are-false-1561578 [16:28]
ozbot Pentagon: Russian Reports Of US Drone Intercepted Over Crimea Are False [16:28]
mircea_popescu haha [16:28]
mircea_popescu ah 1970s, i missed you so. welcome back. [16:28]
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mircea_popescu FabianB do you see a way to convert x.idiff prices into bitbet diff bet odds ? [16:29]
asciilifeform if the little flying trabant weren't so pathetic, it would be towed through red square on parade. [16:30]
asciilifeform perhaps it will appear there anyway. [16:30]
mircea_popescu "today on Victories of Socialism : we have caught the other boys' model airplane!!1" [16:31]
FabianB not really, but it reminded me there's x.idiff.mar settlement soon [16:32]
asciilifeform it's considerably funnier if you remember what makes this particular circus trick possible. [16:32]
mircea_popescu FabianB this'd be an interesting project i guess, it's not directly obvious to me how the to prices'd relate [16:33]
asciilifeform (american flying machines were originally supposed to use the 'pro' version of 'gps', with crypto authentication. but someone, apparently, absconded with the $, and most of them left the factory with 'consumer' receiver.) [16:34]
chetty Missing airliner may have flown on for 7 hours - it gets longer with each new headline [16:34]
mircea_popescu chetty maybe it's still flying. [16:35]
FabianB problem with idiff is that if you don't know when MKFUT was called you don't know how far it's backed [16:35]
mircea_popescu i guess that introduces an extra leg of risk there huh. [16:37]
mircea_popescu but still, i'd eventually expect mining to settle down and 2.9x increases over a period to be rare. [16:38]
FabianB yeah, far in the future, but now, if mkfut was called on jan 1st, it's only backed till around 29, it would need 45, currently there are asks for 39 which are not bought (probably) coz of the risk they were created early [16:39]
mircea_popescu possibly. [16:40]
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mircea_popescu ;;calc 1.08**13 [16:41]
gribble 2.71962372616 [16:41]
mircea_popescu yeah, basically if period increases settle around 8% then it'll be all covered. [16:41]
FabianB my guess is they appeared 4 weeks ago and also made at that time, so probably the ones i bought are profitable :) [16:41]
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chetty http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/03/06/executive-order-blocking-property-certain-persons-contributing-situation [16:48]
ozbot Executive Order -- Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine | T [16:48]
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mircea_popescu hahaha [16:49]
nubbins` a national emergency!! [16:49]
mircea_popescu so the us is nao a rogue state. [16:50]
asciilifeform only now? [16:50]
chetty yeah been that way [16:50]
chetty I think talking to Ukrainians now warrants confiscation of property [16:51]
mircea_popescu cool, hopefully the russians also freeze a buncha us citizen's assets, and fiat truely collapses in a pre-hansa state of disarray [16:51]
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chetty National emergency lets him declare martial law and all that fun stuff [16:54]
asciilifeform chetty: actually the 'state of emergency' is quite old [16:55]
asciilifeform afaik, continuously renewed by every u.s. president since carter. [16:55]
jakov some countries have been in a "state of emergency" for a decade or so [16:55]
chetty true but the powers he is claiming this time are pretty extreme - of course he wont really do any of that .... right [16:58]
mircea_popescu now i gotta read this thing [16:59]
mircea_popescu FabianB the last exercise closed at 908350862, so if made after dec they'd be covered to ~263421 per neh ? [17:05]
mircea_popescu I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, find that the actions and policies of persons -- including persons who have asserted governmental authority in the Crimean region without the authorization of the Government of Ukraine -- that undermine democratic processes and institutions in Ukraine; threaten its peace, security, stability, sovereignty, and territorial integrity; and contribute to the misapp [17:06]
mircea_popescu ropriation of its assets, constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States, and I hereby declare a national emergency to deal with that threat. [17:06]
mircea_popescu pretty fucking epic. [17:06]
mircea_popescu "(v) to be owned or controlled by, or to have acted or purported to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order. " [17:07]
asciilifeform incidentally, this is how boddy fischer became a fugitive from the u.s. [17:07]
mircea_popescu that includes lawyers ? [17:07]
asciilifeform *bobby fischer [17:07]
asciilifeform if anyone remembers [17:07]
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mircea_popescu "(b) The prohibitions in subsection (a) of this section apply except to the extent provided by statutes, or in regulations, orders, directives, or licenses that may be issued pursuant to this order, and notwithstanding any contract entered into or any license or permit granted prior to the effective date of this order. " [17:08]
asciilifeform afaik it was because of a similar proclamation by clinton [17:08]
mircea_popescu "we won't keep our word as to what we have promised in the past [17:08]
mircea_popescu and we don't intend to keep our word given here as to not keeping our word either" [17:08]
mircea_popescu total liar's instrument this shti. [17:08]
chetty typical [17:08]
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mircea_popescu " I hereby determine that the making of donations of the type of articles specified in section 203(b)(2) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(2)) by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to section 1 of this order would seriously impair my ability to deal with the national emergency declared in this order, and I hereby prohibit such donations as provided by section 1 [17:09]
mircea_popescu of this order. " [17:09]
mircea_popescu check it, the us president thinks has the authority to forbide donations ?! [17:09]
asciilifeform the funny part is that none of this shit is new [17:10]
asciilifeform whole thing probably was an ms-word template left over from '90s [17:10]
mircea_popescu "For those persons whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order who might have a constitutional presence in the United States, I find that because of the ability to transfer funds or other assets instantaneously, prior notice to such persons of measures to be taken pursuant to this order would render those measures ineffectual. I therefore determine that for these measures to be effective [17:10]
mircea_popescu in addressing the national emergency declared in this order, there need be no prior notice of a listing or determination made pursuant to section 1 of this order. " [17:10]
mircea_popescu "This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person. " [17:11]
mircea_popescu very lulzy. [17:11]
mircea_popescu so basically... the us has no law, fuggedaboutit. [17:11]
mircea_popescu from now on the correct response to anyone asking if some bitcoin corp is "licensed" or "incorporated" or legally operating within the us is simply pointing out that there exists no such thing as a united states jurisdiction, robber baron claims notwithstanding. [17:12]
asciilifeform u.s. has been ruled by decree, openly, since fdr. [17:12]
asciilifeform to whom is this a secret? [17:12]
mircea_popescu to anyone who doesn't much give a shit about the us, i would guess. [17:13]
chetty Some days it is more 'in your face' than others [17:16]
mircea_popescu funny what juju that clown thinks he has, seriously. [17:17]
mircea_popescu no moar mental hospitals in the us ? [17:17]
asciilifeform no worries, i suspect they'll reopen soon. [17:17]
asciilifeform betcha my bed is already reserved. [17:18]
asciilifeform 'вялотекущая шизофрения' [17:18]
mircea_popescu im at a loss as to what exact tumbleweeds need to be rolling around in one's skull for the notion to form that any one of those paragraphs is something he can come up with. [17:18]
asciilifeform or something in that spirit. [17:19]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2011/психушка/ liek ? [17:19]
asciilifeform exactly that [17:20]
mircea_popescu that's okay, your schizophrenia isn't sluggish at all :D [17:20]
asciilifeform haha [17:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: for the notion to form that any one of those paragraphs is something he can << past presidents have signed nearly identical proclamations, and they were enforced. [17:21]
mircea_popescu you know, if some fuckwit comes out and declares he can shit cake, [17:21]
mircea_popescu whether he subsequently shits cake or not, the proposition is still laughable. [17:21]
asciilifeform nah, the way it works is, he 'shits cake', and everybody eats at gunpoint. [17:22]
mircea_popescu this ain't empiricism over here. [17:22]
asciilifeform and woe be unto any who won't delight in the chocolate flavour. [17:22]
mircea_popescu because why ? [17:23]
asciilifeform well, most of the folks at the table never smelled actual cake [17:24]
asciilifeform to them, cake is this special confection that emerges from the fuhrer's arse. [17:24]
mircea_popescu such brave new world. [17:24]
asciilifeform old, old world. nobody switched off the 20th c. [17:25]
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chetty Let it be written, let it be done. (goes back a long time) [17:28]
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peterl This whole thing makes me angry to be an American, unfortunately the current government would respond violently to threats of secession [17:31]
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FabianB mircea_popescu: (regarding idfiff) yes, but my guess is they weren't created directly after last excercise, probably in february, but who knows [17:33]
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ThickAsThieves interesting, if not obvious, stat I heard: 85% of new businesses in the US are started by immigrants or their children [17:34]
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mircea_popescu FabianB makes no diff tho, it's not prorated by days [17:35]
mircea_popescu it's just by periods, 2.9^intervals. [17:36]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves afaik it was 50% [17:36]
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FabianB uh, then i got that wrong [17:37]
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ThickAsThieves well i got this info from Shark Tank sooo [17:39]
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mircea_popescu by the way - today's the absolute last day to get in the april conference, [17:40]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/ [17:40]
ozbot The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [17:40]
mircea_popescu mjr didja ever sort it out ? [17:40]
ThickAsThieves i talked to him like yesterday and he said he was gonna try, not sure if he realized how close the deadline was or not [17:40]
mircea_popescu if i recall he got well plastered clubbing last time, mebbe the lady objects. [17:41]
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ThickAsThieves for some reason i doubt he has a "going concern" [17:41]
mircea_popescu anywya, mike_c is the winner of the little unofficial competition "who gets the lowest btc invite" [17:42]
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ThickAsThieves "i would like to know how long (aprox) takes one day in your country?" [17:47]
ThickAsThieves lol [17:47]
mircea_popescu wait wut ? [17:48]
ThickAsThieves from https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=1178.msg131702#msg131702 [17:48]
ThickAsThieves basically idiot/genius asking where is div is from Garr [17:49]
ThickAsThieves his* [17:49]
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mircea_popescu so many forums [17:55]
mircea_popescu "Was trusted" around here in the past. You lost trust months ago and it will take months if not longer to get it back. [17:56]
mircea_popescu sums it up just about [17:56]
ThickAsThieves "HP TippingPoint's Pwn2Own competition netted researchers $850,000 as all the major browsers – Chrome, Safari, Internet Explorer and Firefox – fell to attacks within the 30-minute timeframe for each, along with Flash. Only Java held up to the time-limited attacks, although researchers attempting to crack Oracle's code did come up with some interesting techniques that just took too [17:58]
ThickAsThieves long." [17:58]
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mircea_popescu http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/bdaybhumor_8246.jpg [17:59]
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mircea_popescu opera conspicuously absent [17:59]
mircea_popescu http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2014/03/seven-dead-as-job-seekers-stampede-at-nigerian-stadium/ [18:01]
ThickAsThieves maybe they just dont want to advertise them? [18:01]
ozbot Seven dead as job seekers stampede at Nigerian stadium | Capital News [18:01]
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ThickAsThieves http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/03/karzai-says-us-troops-can-leave-afghanistan-2014315133323437829.html [18:20]
ozbot Karzai says US troops can leave Afghanistan - Middle East - Al Jazeera English [18:20]
ThickAsThieves "gtfo bro" [18:20]
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tim-tams ;;seen bingoboingo [18:23]
gribble bingoboingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 19 hours, 4 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: tim-tams: Unstyled html lists and tables are the new marble columns and granite steps [18:23]
mircea_popescu "All 10 presidential candidates for the April 5 election have said they would sign the security agreement if elected. But Karzai does not want his legacy to include a commitment to extending a foreign military presence." [18:28]
mircea_popescu pretty good. [18:28]
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moiety mircea_popescu: mew! sorry i passed out and forgot to put this off. had to sleep off potential hangover before babysitting a giveaway today to preserve calmness. Nope, that's not me... is that >thing< supposed to be a forum?! [18:36]
mircea_popescu i have no idea. [18:36]
moiety looks like a list of timestamped shit to me [18:36]
mircea_popescu you... passed out ? what, drinking ? [18:36]
moiety maybe >.> [18:37]
mircea_popescu lolk [18:37]
moiety i don't drink often so i get a bit affected >.> [18:37]
mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/cb252fa2b1e06da237e1ef787de2a6ab/tumblr_mhg9xqYO0a1s27xouo1_1280.jpg << male or female ? [18:37]
moiety MALE [18:37]
moiety it is right? [18:38]
kakobrekla its a trap, its female [18:38]
moiety wtf [18:39]
moiety poor girl, i would chuckmyself under a train [18:39]
ThickAsThieves probly a dancer of some sort [18:39]
mircea_popescu looks more like a shaved doberman tbh [18:39]
moiety LOLOL [18:40]
moiety i shouldn't eat while i'm reading this lol i almost choke quite frequently [18:40]
mircea_popescu don't pass out. [18:40]
mircea_popescu http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-brU4OUkRPb4/UbIc01JalPI/AAAAAAAAGKU/Fd9k8lq9Qio/s1600/doberman-ears.jpg [18:41]
moiety lol it was silly o'clock in the morning when i did [18:41]
mircea_popescu "hello we have no idea what r u doing" [18:41]
moiety LOL whyyyy? [18:41]
moiety i don't either! [18:41]
mircea_popescu they're getting ready to play [18:42]
mircea_popescu DOBERBALL [18:42]
moiety you should see the beach matches! [18:42]
moiety btw re the education thing... you see they are thinking on fiddling with medical education? [18:43]
moiety i.e. how long it takes to become a doctor [18:43]
moiety i.e. shortening it from 14 years [18:43]
mircea_popescu need more cheaper doctors. [18:44]
moiety i.e. doctors with less debt but also less knowledge [18:44]
Mats_cd03 .bait [18:44]
ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9kkrwGWDw1rwcfi5o1_500.jpg [18:44]
moiety we had a locum from spain that almost killed everyone because they were trying to savemoney [18:44]
Mats_cd03 .bait [18:44]
ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_manzo2x3Gq1r9e3eqo1_1280.jpg [18:44]
moiety he didnt have a clue whathe was doing [18:44]
moiety whats up with the firstone's face? is that a dude too? [18:45]
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Mats_cd03 kinda unisex features but not really androgynous [18:48]
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moiety totally! i think its a makeup mask [18:51]
moiety gif of the day! http://i.imgur.com/cXfmOJ8.gif [18:51]
mircea_popescu o hey just what i needed [18:57]
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moiety sorry i thought it was pretty cool [18:59]
mircea_popescu no it is. i'm teaching a slavegirl basic trig [19:00]
mircea_popescu and i don't think she really groked the circle thing [19:00]
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moiety is there much trig in slavery? [19:03]
mircea_popescu slaves gotta know errything [19:05]
moiety i fancied setting up a digital geisha type affair [19:05]
mircea_popescu inasmuch as the flesh trade goes, nothing beats the flesh itself. [19:05]
mircea_popescu but anyway, bbl, gotta attend to... things. [19:05]
moiety pet the dog! see you have a ood day :) [19:06]
moiety good* [19:06]
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wao-ender v0v #conspiracy http://pastebin.com/d97LkvF7 [19:08]
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wao-ender v0v, they are IN http://mfa.gov.ua/en/press-center/news/19559-zajava-mzs-ukrajini-u-zvjazku-z-visadkoju-15-bereznya-desantu-zbrojnih-sil-rf-v-khersonsykij-oblasti [19:30]
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