Forum logs for 15 Jul 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

asciilifeform	decimation: this is doubly lulzy because amex is the 'pay to play' cc issuer	[00:00]
*	decimation has costco amex, will drop when replaced next year	[00:00]
decimation	asciilifeform: yeah it is lulzy. I've heard from some small time merchants that amex dropped their transaction fees below visa/mc	[00:00]
asciilifeform	ag3nt_zer0: hard to argue that ~coins that never move~ are 'e-wallets behind one address'	[00:00]
decimation	they know a huge chunk of their business comes from rich folks with costco amex cards	[00:01]
decimation	asciilifeform: also somewhat little known about costco amex: you can walk in with your annual refund check and they will pay you in cash	[00:02]
ag3nt_zer0	asciilifeform: could be wrong but I thought he was addressing the tx volume with that statement	[00:02]
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asciilifeform	ag3nt_zer0: the 'atomic bomb' is - now, as when i wrote the piece- -- the mega-holdings under a sole key, which never move.	[00:03]
asciilifeform	this bomb is there, whether anyone wants to talk about it or not, and may - or may not - explode one day	[00:04]
asciilifeform	one might suppose that its existence is 'priced into the market' somehow.	[00:04]
ag3nt_zer0	asciilifeform: oh that was you... very enjoyable reading btw...	[00:04]
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decimation	asciilifeform: all that early btc is probably offset by the big chunk that has been lost forever	[00:05]
asciilifeform	ag3nt_zer0: the paper referenced in the article, however, has nothing to do with me	[00:05]
BingoBoingo	So Iran nuclear deal... Only actual impact is Persian agricultural goods pricing Israeli agricultural goods out of the market?	[00:05]
asciilifeform	decimation: thing is, nothing can ever be proven 'lost forever'	[00:05]
decimation	true.	[00:05]
asciilifeform	one, or none, of those keys - may turn up.	[00:05]
decimation	same with the 'satoshi horde'	[00:05]
asciilifeform	speaking broadly, of all of'em.	[00:06]
mod6	well, at least `objdump -T bitcoind` shows: objdump: bitcoind-woNoShared: not a dynamic object DYNAMIC SYMBOL TABLE: no symbols	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	sounds legit.	[00:10]
ag3nt_zer0	asciilifeform: do you still consider the bitcoin-p option as viable?	[00:10]
asciilifeform	ag3nt_zer0: it wasn't especially viable then. and after adoption as official usg policy in a mildly perverted form, i can't think of who might voluntarily work with such a thing today	[00:11]
asciilifeform	other than the moles	[00:11]
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asciilifeform	i certainly have no interest in it now.	[00:11]
asciilifeform	was mainly a gedankenexperiment, of somehow attaching wot ratings to coin in a permanent way.	[00:12]
ag3nt_zer0	"adoption as official usg policy in a mildly perverted form" << via buterin's waterfall?	[00:12]
asciilifeform	nah	[00:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 232300 @ 0.00055483 = 128.887 BTC [+] {3}	[00:12]
asciilifeform	'red/white-listing'	[00:12]
asciilifeform	see hearn	[00:12]
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decimation	asciilifeform: did you see the lulzy quote: http://dpaste.com/0E6JFXW.txt	[00:16]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Htub8e )	[00:16]
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asciilifeform	aha	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	til that if you chown public_html away from apache squirrelmail fails to function anymore	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	all this logic...	[00:19]
BingoBoingo	In other news, apparently parts of the US can make actual cheese	[00:20]
decimation	asciilifeform: you should try 'wegmans'	[00:21]
trinque	if the seller is to be believed, this is the old kernel.org server... LOL?!	[00:21]
BingoBoingo	lol, take it trinque	[00:21]
mod6	475M bitcoind-woNoShared.s << lol	[00:21]
asciilifeform	decimation: there's no shortage of this kind of thing, as i understand	[00:21]
trinque	BingoBoingo: I did!	[00:21]
BingoBoingo	Nice trinque	[00:21]
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trinque	alright, so how do we find the govt-grade malware embedded in this thing's mobo?	[00:22]
trinque	asciilifeform: ^	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:22]
asciilifeform	trinque: l0l	[00:22]
mod6	<+trinque> if the seller is to be believed, this is the old kernel.org server... LOL?! << wat srsly?	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	no but i like how he thinks	[00:22]
asciilifeform	trinque: at least do it the honour of preserving the stray bits on the hdds	[00:22]
trinque	certainly	[00:22]
trinque	though it's been wiped by the owner in between me and kernel.org	[00:22]
trinque	got 8 scsi drives though, so maybe there are goods to be found	[00:23]
asciilifeform	a local scrap dealer i will not presently name, sells retired usg contractors' boxes, often with whole shebang still in.	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lryivdvQt21r2lyd3o1_1280.jpg	[00:23]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HtuPCK )	[00:23]
mod6	let's see if i can break diff...	[00:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: hmmpppfffmf!	[00:24]
decimation	asciilifeform: lol they don't wipe drives?	[00:25]
asciilifeform	apparently not.	[00:25]
asciilifeform	(firms that actually go under, will often leave intact 'fossils' of themselves)	[00:26]
decimation	too bad you don't have such goods for smbx	[00:26]
asciilifeform	decade+ too late	[00:26]
asciilifeform	quite possibly others - do	[00:26]
asciilifeform	i've said it before, and will say again - smbx is a dead end. i will not maintain crapcode that mit undergrads wrote in 1979.	[00:27]
asciilifeform	in all caps, no less.	[00:27]
asciilifeform	it is educational - yes.	[00:27]
trinque	https://i.imgur.com/7zzMNgv.jpg << tramp stamp	[00:27]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Htv80h )	[00:27]
asciilifeform	building new things on it? even if usg were not getting in the way? not so appealing imho	[00:28]
asciilifeform	(for completeness, i will note that i will not maintain code mit undergrads wrote in '89. or '99. or '09. or at all.)	[00:29]
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BingoBoingo	Anyone as of yet spot my OpenBSD 0.7-ish build in the wild. Returns version 0.7.3.9 for the time being	[00:32]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: i'm still burning to learn why you're maintaining 0.7	[00:33]
asciilifeform	if it's no secret	[00:33]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Build on OpenBSD with flags I use and missing from 0.5.x atm like getpeerinfo	[00:34]
BingoBoingo	Also last pre-Hearnia release	[00:34]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: 'getpeerinfo' isn't so hard. consider contributing a patch ?	[00:37]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: working on understanding it first	[00:37]
BingoBoingo	Will likely get actual minrelaytxfee patch in first	[00:42]
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BingoBoingo	turns out in original I had helpfile line wrong	[00:44]
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decimation	asciilifeform: the most interesting part to me are the silicon design tools	[00:49]
asciilifeform	i specifically asked dks for those	[00:50]
asciilifeform	he (unsurprisingly) refused	[00:50]
decimation	heh	[00:50]
asciilifeform	could easily be the only part of the corp that's worth something on the open market	[00:50]
decimation	they might be shitware, but could be the nucleus of non-winblows designware	[00:50]
asciilifeform	nothing that existed and worked in '86 could really pass as shitware by today's standards.	[00:51]
decimation	yeah, good point	[00:51]
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decimation	everything had to work and not be bloatware	[00:51]
asciilifeform	a toolchain that works ~without even a part per billion of microshit~ is pure plutonium, plain and simple	[00:52]
asciilifeform	by today's lights.	[00:52]
decimation	asciilifeform: do you sometimes phantasize about locking a group of promising young grads on an deserted island with only circa 1985 tools?	[00:52]
asciilifeform	nah just self	[00:52]
decimation	heh	[00:52]
asciilifeform	what do i need the derps for ?	[00:52]
asciilifeform	to cook my dinner, i suppose	[00:53]
decimation	staff	[00:53]
decimation	they could be human macros	[00:53]
asciilifeform	would almost rather cook own dinner, and not have to deal with derps in any capacity.	[00:53]
asciilifeform	this is one of the ways i differ from mircea_popescu	[00:53]
BingoBoingo	to cook my dinner, i suppose << Janatorial duties	[00:54]
trinque	I'd much rather automate things than have help	[00:55]
asciilifeform	^	[00:55]
asciilifeform	if anything, the turdalicious computer systems we have today are a consequence of cheap labour.	[00:55]
asciilifeform	why engineer anything, when a bottomless supply of monkeys with 'duct tape' can be had.	[00:56]
trinque	as if to drive the point home, some fucking drunk bum is hollering	[00:56]
decimation	asciilifeform: can shape desired object out of bondo?	[00:56]
asciilifeform	'bondo, sanded to perfection' (mr mold)	[00:58]
trinque	cannot find a single mention on the web for geb2.kernel.org	[00:58]
trinque	maybe it was an internal hostname	[00:58]
trinque	however I do find mention of these model HP servers being donated	[00:58]
BingoBoingo	Image the Hard drives, wipe all the everything	[01:04]
trinque	oh of course	[01:05]
trinque	I've got a 2tb I can dd all the drives to	[01:05]
decimation	heh I forgot that paragraph from yarvin: "	[01:06]
decimation	The basic problem is that the robber-barons of Silicon Valley, unlike their Victorian forebears, do not realize that, if they want all this science, they will actually have to pay for it - themselves. Instead, they look at their tax forms and think: I gave at the office."	[01:06]
decimation	"But they didn't. They gave to scientocracy. Now, they need to figure out how to patronize science - or there will be no science. Just scientific Bondo, sanded to perfection and painted with meticulous care."	[01:06]
trinque	not bad	[01:06]
trinque	and yet, yachts, hookers and blow have already been invented	[01:07]
asciilifeform	mr mold at his best	[01:07]
trinque	another website I've snapped up in entirety	[01:07]
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ag3nt_zer0	danielpbarron: is that your booklist? I would be happy to see your list, the ones that cater to or inform your self-identification as a religious thinker, if you ever have the inclination to share...	[01:16]
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danielpbarron	ag3nt_zer0, that's a simple list: The Bible.	[01:41]
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pete_dushenski	shanghai composite was on track for another losing day and now it's, well, FLATLINED	[01:43]
pete_dushenski	http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/SHCOMP:IND	[01:43]
assbot	SHCOMP Quote - Shanghai Stock Exchange Composite Index - Bloomberg Markets ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1j49X )	[01:43]
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pete_dushenski	guessing the federalis stepped in again to make sure that 'confidence is restored' or some such	[01:44]
pete_dushenski	pretty lulzy way to operate a 'market' but hey, you don't mess with the emperor over there	[01:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63279 @ 0.00054694 = 34.6098 BTC [-] {2}	[01:45]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: reminiscent of the cn reply to wester whiners re: 'tiananmen incident.' which was 'over here, we don't have total control like you, public opinion matters, ergo seditionists not tolerated. and we don't stock riot gear either, we're a poor country. they knew they signed up to crunch under tanks'	[01:46]
pete_dushenski	lol	[01:47]
mthreat	!s wtf	[01:48]
assbot	2267 results for 'wtf' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wtf	[01:48]
pete_dushenski	on the canadian side of the world of skewed incentives, this waterloo police officer plead guilty for breach of trust and was paid $350k over the next 3 years to golf and suntan.	[01:49]
mthreat	search is back up. I'll be moving it to another server soon.	[01:49]
pete_dushenski	then he had the audacity to brag about it http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/dream-come-true-ex-waterloo-region-police-officer-mockingly-thanks-them-for-paid-suspension	[01:49]
assbot	‘Dream come true': Ex-Waterloo Regional Police officer mockingly thanks force for paid suspension \| National Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1jEUY )	[01:49]
pete_dushenski	mthreat: huzzah !	[01:49]
pete_dushenski	!rated mthreat	[01:49]
assbot	You rated user mthreat on 27-Jun-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: maker of supremely useful #bitcoin-assets search.	[01:49]
ag3nt_zer0	http://www.vox.com/2014/6/3/5775918/25-years-after-tiananmen-most-chinese-univeristy-students-have-never	[01:50]
assbot	25 years after Tiananmen, most Chinese university students have never heard of it - Vox ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1jLQu )	[01:50]
asciilifeform	of 'it' or the western lies ?	[01:51]
pete_dushenski	have most american students ?	[01:51]
pete_dushenski	i sorta doubt that many 18-20 year olds today are up on chinese 'democratic' history from before they were born	[01:51]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: can you enlighten me re: 'actual account' ?	[01:52]
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asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: i believe it is in the logz	[01:52]
asciilifeform	mthreat fixed search - spiffy	[01:52]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-12-2014#945925	[01:53]
assbot	Logged on 05-12-2014 05:09:14; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: are you familiar with china's reply to 'why did you roll up the (tiananmen) students (molotov-armed, by some reliable accounts - also with grenades) with tanks ?'	[01:53]
asciilifeform	possibly others	[01:53]
ag3nt_zer0	fair enough, maybe I am a gland junkie but I still find some of this stuff mildly shocking	[01:53]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2014#461122 << esp. that one	[01:54]
assbot	Logged on 26-01-2014 19:43:12; asciilifeform: btw the chinese have scholars, of 'soviet collapse studies,' and some of their output is rather interesting and educational	[01:54]
ag3nt_zer0	yeah the accounts by the reporters in the hotel of the sounds of the bones and skulls being crushed kind of got my endocrines goin	[01:55]
pete_dushenski	ah excellent	[01:55]
pete_dushenski	that it's already in the logs... i dun really give a shit about ag3nt_zer0's hormones !	[01:56]
asciilifeform	u.s. dept of state & cia tried to turn cn into 1990s ru. failed.	[01:56]
ag3nt_zer0	forgot the documentary but it was about the guy who shot the tank man video... and how that video barely made it out	[01:56]
asciilifeform	have been pissing and moaning about it through their maxint mouthpiece orchestra ever since.	[01:56]
pete_dushenski	the one that got away (tm)	[01:56]
ag3nt_zer0	with a mild speculative inference that it was instrumental in inspiring the geramns to topple the wall	[01:57]
ag3nt_zer0	and what if it hadnt gotten out?	[01:57]
asciilifeform	ag3nt_zer0: when you build mental world out of usg's 'legos', don't be surprised if you find yourself reaching their 'recommended' conclusions.	[01:58]
ag3nt_zer0	what conclusion?	[01:59]
asciilifeform	any number of'em	[02:00]
pete_dushenski	http://news.domain.com.au/domain/real-estate-news/china-doubles-down-on-australian-real-estate-20150715-gicgju.html << don't imagine this'll cheer up cazalla but i might be wrong.	[02:00]
assbot	China doubles down on Australian real estate ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1kKjI )	[02:00]
asciilifeform	like any industrial-strength chumpamatic, usg-history typically leads you to 'conclude'... the very premises of the syllogism behind the conclusions.	[02:00]
asciilifeform	as in the 'berlin wall' example above.	[02:01]
pete_dushenski	cazalla: if it makes you feel better, it's the same story in vancouver.	[02:01]
ag3nt_zer0	yeah I hear you. ftr I didn't mean to imply that I concluded anything...	[02:01]
pete_dushenski	not that i really give a shit about vancouver, mind you, but it's sorta kinda not really in my backyard atm.	[02:02]
asciilifeform	ag3nt_zer0: examine the premises. for instance, ever wonder why the obsession with berlin wall ?	[02:02]
ag3nt_zer0	asciilifeform: I am guessing not in the way that you might be about to tell me?	[02:03]
asciilifeform	i'm about to go to sleep, actually	[02:04]
ag3nt_zer0	hehe	[02:04]
asciilifeform	but trying to encourage folks to think.	[02:04]
ag3nt_zer0	no I appreciate it!	[02:05]
ag3nt_zer0	I am interested	[02:05]
ag3nt_zer0	maybe can tell me later	[02:05]
pete_dushenski	http://www.sse.com.cn/ << bwahaha the bleeding idiots have green-coloured losses and red-coloured gains on their stock ticker !	[02:09]
ag3nt_zer0	danielpbarron: thx again	[02:10]
asciilifeform	what next, complain about the blue traffic lights in japan ?	[02:10]
pete_dushenski	"hey u guise, i have a capital idea ! mebbe no one will notice that we've inflated trillion of worthless rmb into our 'markets' if we change the colours of the stop lights at the intersection !"	[02:10]
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pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: bah, get out. there's a recipe for stock market accounting and sse is playing games.	[02:11]
pete_dushenski	or mebbe i'm a johnny come lately cynic. also possibru.	[02:12]
asciilifeform	i actually have no idea what their colours were prior.	[02:12]
pete_dushenski	is it some kind of fucking mid-day national holiday in shanghai ?	[02:13]
pete_dushenski	http://money.cnn.com/data/world_markets/se_composite/ << another dead price feed.	[02:13]
assbot	SHCOMP - Shanghai SE Composite Index - CNNMoney.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5pYcp )	[02:13]
pete_dushenski	and i can't seem to source an explanation for the bloody thing	[02:14]
pete_dushenski	"Roman Dahl ‏@dahlroman 2m2 minutes ago #Chinese GDP beats the estm. 7% Y/Y vs 6.8%; Shanghai -2.17%; 24% of firms in trading halt."	[02:15]
pete_dushenski	another halt. so that's two in the past 5 trading sessions then ?	[02:16]
pete_dushenski	"nothing to see here, folks, just business as usual."	[02:17]
pete_dushenski	fuck, no wonder even 'foxconn' is getting the hell outta dodge and moving 1 mn workers to india	[02:17]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193376 << see also.	[02:17]
assbot	Logged on 08-07-2015 17:08:58; mircea_popescu: mod6 "our free market is this thing you can only buy!!1"	[02:17]
pete_dushenski	of course, the ever-convenient nyse 'glitch'	[02:18]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: notice the basic dynamic, of 'indias' being a non-renewable resource.	[02:18]
pete_dushenski	"A flight attendant testified Lander and Jason George Chase, a co-accused, used a coat to cover their laps to fondle each other." << on air canada flight. both 'criminals' now under house arrest and/or probation.	[02:19]
asciilifeform	there is a common misconception that collapse followed by sufficiently-many generations of starvation and abject degradation can 'reset' and get you a new 'india' in place of a worn-out, 'consumerized' husk	[02:19]
asciilifeform	this is not actually true.	[02:19]
asciilifeform	you are far more likely to get a new afghanistan.	[02:20]
asciilifeform	(notice that no one is building factories there)	[02:20]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: 'likely' being based on the peoples and their geography	[02:20]
asciilifeform	'indias' are produces by a uniquely 20th c. process of industrially-powered overpopulation	[02:20]
pete_dushenski	let europeans starve and they'll reset alright	[02:20]
asciilifeform	they'll reset to pashtun mode	[02:20]
asciilifeform	go, exploit'em	[02:21]
pete_dushenski	i'm... busy.	[02:21]
asciilifeform	to round this off, in as far as i understand, india is the last remaining 'india'.	[02:21]
asciilifeform	(of those usable, at any rate.)	[02:22]
pete_dushenski	well to be fair to afghanistan, it's producing heroin like never before	[02:22]
pete_dushenski	gotta use what's available, not just whatever you'd like	[02:22]
danielpbarron	asciilifeform> i actually have no idea what their colours were prior. << someone archived it -- was red in 2012 https://archive.is/iLdQ	[02:23]
assbot	上海证券交易所 ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5qVl1 )	[02:23]
asciilifeform	agrarian system	[02:23]
asciilifeform	you don't need an 'india' to grow shit.	[02:23]
pete_dushenski	so mebbe factories are better in india and china, and poppy plantations are better in afghanistan, and wheat fields in ukraine	[02:23]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: the 'factories better' thing is the specific item i meant by 'an india'	[02:23]
pete_dushenski	danielpbarron: o hey, nice work. sorry sse !	[02:24]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2014#724474 << see also.	[02:24]
assbot	Logged on 19-06-2014 03:28:22; asciilifeform: because american factory gurlz want toilet breaks, health care!, etc	[02:24]
asciilifeform	scroll up in thread.	[02:24]
asciilifeform	specifically, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2014#724465 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-06-2014#724467	[02:25]
assbot	Logged on 19-06-2014 03:26:01; asciilifeform: japan jumped the gap - why? because they had the 'natural resource'	[02:25]
assbot	Logged on 19-06-2014 03:26:18; asciilifeform: - that being, six generations of people willing to work into the grave for a cup of rice	[02:25]
pete_dushenski	indonesia'd seem to be another by this definition	[02:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57550 @ 0.0005461 = 31.4281 BTC [-]	[02:26]
pete_dushenski	255 mn people. ready water access for transport.	[02:28]
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pete_dushenski	https://www.google.ca/finance?q=SHA%3A000001&ei=4eKlVbnyNcmpmAGzyoXICw << aha ! magicked back into existence... and down a quick 1% for a total of -3.65% on the day.	[02:30]
assbot	SSE Composite Index: SHA:000001 quotes & news – Google Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5rATA )	[02:30]
pete_dushenski	way to go regulators !	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	!up welshjf	[02:31]
-assbot-	You voiced welshjf for 30 minutes.	[02:31]
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welshjf	howdy mircea_popescu, just lurking :)	[02:32]
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ben_vulpes	ben_vulpes: eventually, aha. i'm not even sure yet that i can repeat the process. for example part of build process is a script that chooses between gcc-4.6 and clang based on whether it's .c or .mm. the fact that the result links i think is a miracle << bwahahahahahaha	[02:39]
ben_vulpes	ag3nt_zer0: splendid, went to a kind of groceries shop where pr0l3z are not permitted (costs a hundy/yr to enter) << the things you find entertaining, i swear	[02:40]
ben_vulpes	no photo card - no enter. << that this is enforced at yours is very indicative of the differences between our corners of usistan	[02:42]
ben_vulpes	* danielpbarron prefers to use cash whereever possible so as to give merchant the option of keeping it "under the table" << where i come we call this the "cascadian discount"	[02:43]
ben_vulpes	come from*	[02:43]
ben_vulpes	pay in cash for a 15% discount. half of the savings from not paying the tax man to the person paying, half to the merchant.	[02:44]
ben_vulpes	why anyone would pay cash without this arrangement boggles.	[02:44]
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ben_vulpes	In other news, apparently parts of the US can make actual cheese << what hellhole do you live in that doesn't have fresh cheese maiden made at every monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday and sunday farmer's market?	[02:50]
ben_vulpes	in other news, my bloodily hacked together stator has achieved block 331707	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	wd!	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	hello welshjf	[02:53]
ben_vulpes	lol nothing to it beyond applying patches	[02:53]
ben_vulpes	the most marvelous achievement of mine is the time allocated to reading patches	[02:53]
ben_vulpes	and yes asciilifeform - i do	[02:53]
ben_vulpes	religiously.	[02:54]
ben_vulpes	my one sacrament.	[02:54]
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ben_vulpes	another website I've snapped up in entirety << have you pared it down to just text yet?	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	sign em too then	[02:55]
trinque	no, probably trivial with w3m or something	[02:55]
ben_vulpes	oh twisting my arm too eh?	[02:55]
*	ben_vulpes will	[02:55]
ben_vulpes	i have a whole weekend of plane flights and insane fambly ahead	[02:55]
ben_vulpes	best thing to possibly have on the screen are gpg-grams and cpp	[02:56]
ben_vulpes	although i'm going to miss my new ergonomic keyboard	[02:56]
ben_vulpes	the rsi is setting in	[02:56]
ben_vulpes	it set in on a particularly long bike ride on a particularly shitty bike	[02:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97450 @ 0.00054982 = 53.58 BTC [+] {3}	[02:57]
ben_vulpes	after which i mused to myself about vibrating handles and mircea_popescu's computer use wisdom	[02:57]
ben_vulpes	how boss do you battle the rsi?	[02:57]
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ben_vulpes	!s wtf << ty!	[02:58]
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trinque	^ which causes me to notice...	[03:05]
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ben_vulpes	"A flight attendant testified Lander and Jason George Chase, a co-accused, used a coat to cover their laps to fondle each other." << on air canada flight. both 'criminals' now under house arrest and/or probation. << i can't figure for whom this is a problem	[03:09]
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ben_vulpes	ohai deedbot-	[03:09]
trinque	getting pretty unimpressed with tenyks.	[03:09]
ben_vulpes	rewritten in cl yet trinque?	[03:09]
trinque	nope, not yet	[03:09]
ben_vulpes	i for one have fondled and been fondled on many a flight with zero harrasment from either other passengers or flight staff	[03:10]
ben_vulpes	perhaps i do not intend to 'own the space' as mircea_popescu describes the act	[03:10]
ben_vulpes	couldn't tell ya	[03:11]
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ben_vulpes	the funny thing about my stator is that i have a binary called bitcoind-7-11-patched-with-dumpblock	[03:13]
ben_vulpes	that was not patched with dumpblock	[03:13]
trinque	heh, I did the same on a school trip's flight back from colorado	[03:13]
ben_vulpes	herpa derpa doo	[03:13]
trinque	with a chick I hooked up with on the trip	[03:13]
trinque	come and get me, canada	[03:13]
ben_vulpes	come at me fascists	[03:17]
ben_vulpes	http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-07-14/banks-forgot-who-was-supposed-to-own-dell-shares	[03:20]
assbot	Banks Forgot Who Was Supposed to Own Dell Shares - Bloomberg View ... ( http://bit.ly/1M517Hn )	[03:20]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.0005537 = 16.3342 BTC [+]	[03:26]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00055477 = 22.0798 BTC [+]	[03:43]
ben_vulpes	hey trinque	[03:46]
ben_vulpes	have some braindamage: https://github.com/mck-/heroku-cl-example/blob/master/src/util/model-utils.lisp	[03:46]
assbot	heroku-cl-example/model-utils.lisp at master · mck-/heroku-cl-example · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Smp64x )	[03:46]
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trinque	looks like cldjango to me	[03:54]
ben_vulpes	lisprails, but yeah	[03:55]
trinque	so far I tend to think the object system is for UI doodads, not for the data model	[03:55]
ben_vulpes	but imagine if you were actually into self-serializing data structures you could hang all sorts of useful stuff off of CLOS classes that did db queries transparently	[03:56]
ben_vulpes	(and oop)	[03:56]
trinque	I tend to think Table is an object, not Customer	[03:56]
trinque	otherwise you have two ever-diverging data models to constantly sync up	[03:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81100 @ 0.00055522 = 45.0283 BTC [+] {3}	[03:57]
trinque	or you only use the features in the "upper" model	[03:57]
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trinque	I still don't see how I'd use CLOS like I use view composition in the db	[03:57]
ben_vulpes	want to hear a dirty secret?	[03:57]
trinque	sure	[03:57]
ben_vulpes	our lispy crud stuff doesn't even formalize 'models'	[03:57]
ben_vulpes	we just have a bunch of functions called reset-password, set-user-whatever, update-user-whatever	[03:58]
trinque	I think that's the right way.	[03:58]
ben_vulpes	that poke mother pg in all of the right spots	[03:58]
trinque	100% right	[03:58]
ben_vulpes	the weakness is that we don't use database constraints, which is where the oop model shines a bit	[03:59]
ben_vulpes	(in comparison at least)	[03:59]
ben_vulpes	we just kinda hand-wave and say "yeah man there are users, and this is how we diddle them in the database in this particular way"	[03:59]
trinque	can always throw an error if a particular slot is initialized to nil	[03:59]
trinque	in clos	[03:59]
ben_vulpes	sure	[03:59]
ben_vulpes	i guess this is the "small teams and discipline" approach	[04:00]
ben_vulpes	db constraints seem like a decent step.	[04:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21013 @ 0.00055579 = 11.6788 BTC [+]	[04:00]
ben_vulpes	but on the flipside, another deploy target	[04:00]
trinque	in particular what I like about the approach of just editing the db is it doesn't try to say this is a "customer" action or an "order" or so on	[04:01]
trinque	bolting the behavior to anything other than a symbol is retarded	[04:01]
trinque	if you wanna mention "customer" in the name of the function, great	[04:01]
trinque	hm from a perspective that is advocating a lack of constraints	[04:01]
trinque	on that subj	[04:01]
trinque	as for db constraints, they can at least help when some logic is easier expressed if it is assumed that the data model has some expected structure	[04:02]
trinque	rather than having if statements handling the lack of that part of the data model in code	[04:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14822 @ 0.00055477 = 8.2228 BTC [-]	[04:03]
ben_vulpes	this problem sucks	[04:05]
ben_vulpes	fuck the web	[04:05]
trinque	ayep	[04:05]
ben_vulpes	would you fix this, please?	[04:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84000 @ 0.00055625 = 46.725 BTC [+] {2}	[04:06]
trinque	I wanna build a bastard lisp for the webasm thing	[04:06]
ben_vulpes	minimal browserlisp	[04:07]
ben_vulpes	let's go	[04:07]
trinque	and just fart graphics onto a canvas or webgl	[04:07]
trinque	and fuck the dom	[04:07]
ben_vulpes	p-please	[04:07]
ben_vulpes	don't get my hopes up	[04:07]
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cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202061 <<< vancouver may as well be on another planet for all i care tbh but point taken all the same	[04:42]
assbot	Logged on 15-07-2015 04:58:07; pete_dushenski: cazalla: if it makes you feel better, it's the same story in vancouver.	[04:42]
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cazalla	;;isup qntra.net	[04:49]
gribble	qntra.net is down	[04:49]
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mircea_popescu	sigh	[05:05]
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chetty	just think how great the net would be if all of a sudden all the ddos stopped, wonder what % of net traffic is that?	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	i got a better idea.	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	suppose all the idiots running stupid shit, random nat routers, bad wp installs, etc, got forbidden from the net.	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	take aol back. we don't want it, we never wanted it, fuck the fucking open-to-idiots internet.	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	the bovine sort of "people" libertardism/welfarism produces have really no place. not on the net, not under the sun, not anywhere. drop dead and spare the earth spurious shadows.	[05:08]
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mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes rsi ?	[05:09]
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ben_vulpes	"i have been typing a lot and my hand hurts"	[05:11]
ben_vulpes	i would like to know how mircea_popescu operates the computer machine healthily if he does not suffer from this affliction, or fear it	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	eh, just put things on gossipd and never invite them.	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes i just use a desktop.	[05:13]
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cazalla	we have another name for rsi down under.. wankers cramp	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	heh	[05:17]
trinque	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2015#1107387	[05:19]
assbot	Logged on 22-04-2015 22:11:24; artifexd: Bottom line, I expect to have something to share for testing in 4 weeks.	[05:19]
trinque	artifexd: any progress? eagerly awaited	[05:19]
trinque	much better platform than this webapp bullshit	[05:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15522 @ 0.00055591 = 8.6288 BTC [+]	[05:23]
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punkman	ben_vulpes: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-07-14/banks-forgot-who-was-supposed-to-own-dell-shares << crazy	[06:09]
assbot	Banks Forgot Who Was Supposed to Own Dell Shares - Bloomberg View ... ( http://bit.ly/1V1TpSf )	[06:09]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92006 @ 0.00055328 = 50.9051 BTC [+]	[06:42]
shinohai	@ shesek: http://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x/50272987.jpg	[06:42]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1TC77tl )	[06:42]
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dignork	Genius - https://github.com/tessalt/echo-chamber-js	[06:47]
assbot	tessalt/echo-chamber-js · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2E6TM )	[06:47]
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scoopbot_revived	Continued DDoS Attack Against Qntra http://qntra.net/2015/07/continued-ddos-attack-against-qntra/	[07:54]
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-assbot-	You voiced thomas for 30 minutes.	[08:31]
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fluffypony	oh wow, we're graced by a Freenode staff member	[08:34]
fluffypony	maybe we'll all get vanity cloaks :)	[08:35]
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mircea_popescu	!up execut3	[08:36]
-assbot-	You voiced execut3 for 30 minutes.	[08:36]
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mircea_popescu	!up dooglus	[08:36]
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mircea_popescu	pretty sure i saw the guy before.	[08:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72229 @ 0.00055657 = 40.2005 BTC [+]	[08:37]
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mircea_popescu	https://blockchain.info/block/0000000000000000022149d63270ab40d6eb8b1575f14151a1acdee6a22dad83 << so is this actually a nonstandard block ?	[08:40]
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mircea_popescu	full of crap like https://blockchain.info/tx/48d38617f4953225279d0a41f0d3e3ceaef7667d834a4b0e46810e7d679e4dd8	[08:41]
assbot	Bitcoin Transaction 48d38617f4953225279d0a41f0d3e3ceaef7667d834a4b0e46810e7d679e4dd8 ... ( http://bit.ly/1OcZfvb )	[08:41]
mircea_popescu	4574 of that crap, in a 4797 total txn block (avg is about 500-1k these days)	[08:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00054514 = 9.4309 BTC [-]	[08:45]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00054119 = 23.8665 BTC [-]	[08:51]
cazalla	more drama https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3dautm/content_policy_update_ama_thursday_july_16th_1pm/ct3n7hc	[08:56]
assbot	yishan comments on Content Policy update. AMA Thursday, July 16th, 1pm pst. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Od1ezL )	[08:56]
Naphex	cazalla: reddit has been hit hard by the eternal september. you gotta be brain dead to even lurk around nowadays	[08:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00054119 = 4.3295 BTC [-]	[08:57]
mircea_popescu	cazalla steering towards wall confirmed.	[08:57]
mircea_popescu	glhf as they say.	[08:58]
Naphex	http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/TheSeptemberThatNeverEnded	[08:59]
assbot	Meatball Wiki: TheSeptemberThatNeverEnded ... ( http://bit.ly/1Od1HBT )	[08:59]
mircea_popescu	"But... the most delicious part of this is that on at least two separate occasions, the board pressed /u/ekjp to outright ban ALL the hate subreddits in a sweeping purge. She resisted, knowing the community, claiming it would be a shitshow. Ellen isn't some "evil, manipulative, out-of-touch incompetent she-devil" as was often depicted. She was approved by the board and recommended by me because when I left, she was the	[08:59]
mircea_popescu	only technology executive anywhere who had the chops and experience to manage a startup of this size, AND who understood what reddit was all about. "	[08:59]
mircea_popescu	chops ? expertise ? start-up ?!	[08:59]
mircea_popescu	pass the pipe brothar.	[08:59]
mircea_popescu	she's a fucktard, she has exactly no expertise or chops, and decade old failures are start-ups just like fifty year old starlets.	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	in any case, it's refreshing to see the new/old tarddit ceo is just as unreadable / mentally disorganised / clueless as the average poster there.	[09:00]
Naphex	how long can you be called a startup anyway? reddit is like 10 years old or what o.O;	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	well in lalaland words don't necessarily mean anything. especially if they sound good.	[09:01]
mircea_popescu	(where sound good = "i've heard it a lot, and the context seemed to me positive")	[09:01]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102247 @ 0.00053328 = 54.5263 BTC [-] {2}	[09:02]
mircea_popescu	anyway, how's the cunt biz, Naphex ?	[09:03]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: decent. trafic slowed down a bit.	[09:05]
Naphex	working on getting more girls and studios on board, while trying to avoid all the chicken and eggs	[09:05]
mircea_popescu	hehe.	[09:05]
mircea_popescu	if you ever decide for a big move, i wanna hear all about how it went.	[09:05]
Naphex	trafic slowing down and hard as hell to sync the girls with the customers but happens on the rare ocasions	[09:05]
mircea_popescu	i'm currently very meh on the entire "advertising" bs.	[09:06]
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mircea_popescu	"i know half my advertising money is wasted, and i can tell you exactly which half : both of them!"	[09:06]
Naphex	advertising doesn't work at all atm	[09:07]
cazalla	Naphex, how do you compete with something like mfc and livejasmin?	[09:07]
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Naphex	every try failed, hard so its all organic trafic	[09:07]
Naphex	cazalla: easy. fast setup, fast payouts and none of the stupid shitty rules.	[09:08]
Naphex	i'll be launching a refferal program for xotika.tv later this week. hopefully it will help with the activit	[09:14]
Naphex	activity*	[09:14]
Naphex	thinking 5...10% of the mbtc tips routed to the referral	[09:14]
cazalla	can't imagine how i'd market it seeing i jump straight to mfc and don't bother googling .. perhaps keywords related to the country the girl is from might work "korean cam girl" type phrases	[09:17]
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fluffypony	cazalla: yeah, I'd also guess that long-tail keywords are good in that space	[09:23]
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cazalla	fluffypony, yeah i'd target that and if Naphex is offering 5-10% of the the tips as referall payments, pay those you sign up 1/3 to 1/2 of that to sweeten it and incentivise em to use your links (i wonder how this would work with coinbase $25 sign up.. offer em $10 additional bonus)	[09:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36714 @ 0.00055706 = 20.4519 BTC [+] {2}	[09:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5936 @ 0.00055928 = 3.3199 BTC [+]	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	coinbase will prolly shot you	[09:46]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless, if you wish to try for it : buysellads takes btc and handles coinbase. they do a patently insane .1 btc CPM so i really don't advise it.	[09:46]
cazalla	not too keen, can't imagine the demand for new coinbase accounts is that great unless they're coming from stolen ids and shit	[09:49]
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shinohai	coinbase will pay u up to $20 for a legit new account. whiz bang!	[09:53]
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cazalla	$25 i thought.. but really, that method isn't much different from roger ver's idea to set up a table in starbucks and sell starbuck vouchers via that bitcoin site wahtever the fuck it is called, forget	[09:54]
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nubbins`	gryft or smth	[09:56]
cazalla	e-grifter	[09:56]
nubbins`	starbucks would 100% kick you out	[09:56]
nubbins`	you're not even allowed to take photographs inside one	[09:56]
Naphex	cazalla YOU MARKET TO BITCOINERS	[09:57]
Naphex	sorry caps	[09:57]
nubbins`	for alf: http://antilop.cc/sr/files/Silk_Road_JTAN_com_Search_Warrant.pdf	[10:00]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MtOovT )	[10:00]
nubbins`	"The substances purchased have been various Schedule I and II drugs, including ecstasy, cocaine, heroin, LSD, and others. As of April 2013, at least 56 samples of these purchases have been laboratory-tested, and, of these, 54 have shown high purity levels of the drug the item was advertised to be on Silk Road. "	[10:01]
shinohai	There was a guy caught filming women whizzing in the bathroom at a starbucks near me.	[10:02]
cazalla	shinohai, they made that illegal here even if done in public	[10:03]
cazalla	that sparked some reading into the issue where i learned some dudes are so keen on this and they have shoe spy cams	[10:04]
shinohai	yeah they charged this guy with cp distribution because his sdcard contained childreen	[10:04]
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cazalla	Naphex, tough sell to market to bitcoiners though.. i don't know what the numbers for mfc are like but i don't imagine more than 5% of visitors actually buy coins to tip the ladies with.. fewer people have bitcoins and i'd bet a smaller percent would be willing to part with em for cam girls, at least at this point in time	[10:09]
mircea_popescu	i dunno bout' that.	[10:10]
Naphex	cazalla: they actually do convert	[10:10]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, any idea what a site like mfc converts at?	[10:10]
mircea_popescu	i've been out too long, nfi anymore.	[10:11]
mircea_popescu	when they first came out they were actually doing pretty good	[10:11]
mircea_popescu	for a brief year or two it actually looked like they may save pron from the tubedeath.	[10:11]
mircea_popescu	didn't really work out tho afaik.	[10:11]
cazalla	there are so many girls on mfc giving it up for free too	[10:11]
mircea_popescu	problem with this as anything else - no pros.	[10:12]
Naphex	Amt: 9.69881492 btcdrak AFKey: directCount:14277 <- xotika stats, first month	[10:12]
Naphex	so its actually pretty good	[10:12]
mircea_popescu	Naphex you know eulora made just about half that ? :D	[10:12]
Naphex	the count is the # of unique sessions, viewed stream	[10:12]
Naphex	:D	[10:13]
cazalla	i wonder if a clips4sale.com bitcoin clone might do ok	[10:13]
*	mircea_popescu dreams of a future where xotika-eulora have integration and people can go wank in a mmorpg	[10:13]
cazalla	those type of sites seem popular	[10:13]
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Naphex	xD	[10:18]
Naphex	my biggest problem atm is getting rid of the damn blockings. Performers will come check the site for visitors before streaaming	[10:18]
Naphex	viewers check for online channels	[10:19]
Naphex	and nobody does a thing lol	[10:19]
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mircea_popescu	heh	[10:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51900 @ 0.00055871 = 28.997 BTC [-] {2}	[10:23]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202343 << this contemptible bit of usgism suggests that one ought to use modern crypto in the camera. that would make it quite impossible for the enemy to determine that it had taken a photo of anyone in particular - or for that matter how many; or for it to disgorge any bits whatsoever to an enemy probe.	[10:51]
assbot	Logged on 15-07-2015 13:00:52; shinohai: yeah they charged this guy with cp distribution because his sdcard contained childreen	[10:51]
asciilifeform	this is not hard.	[10:51]
shinohai	twas icrap iirc	[10:52]
asciilifeform	live by the shitputer, die by the shitputer	[10:52]
mircea_popescu	so then they can convict him for using a terrorist device in furterance of a terrorist plot.	[10:53]
mircea_popescu	hurr durr.	[10:54]
mircea_popescu	there exist no technical solutions to political problems.	[10:54]
asciilifeform	well naturally.	[10:54]
mircea_popescu	the solution to political problems is, was always and will forever remain, the beheading of the individuals causing it.	[10:54]
asciilifeform	but i'd rather hang for 'infernal device' than 'idiot perv'	[10:54]
asciilifeform	aesthetic matter.	[10:54]
mircea_popescu	yes but this is a purely aesthetic option on your part	[10:54]
mircea_popescu	like some women would rather go around nude in high heels.	[10:54]
asciilifeform	the other thing i never understood is why they have to physically retrieve the cam	[10:55]
asciilifeform	owner really ought to stroll by with a radio gizmo, no ?	[10:55]
asciilifeform	this is what, 1970s state of the art among pro operatives	[10:56]
nubbins`	tradecraft sorta died out	[10:58]
nubbins`	only so much you can learn from a manual	[10:58]
asciilifeform	http://rt.com/usa/273436-jade-helm-drill-explained << in other lulz !	[11:00]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HxkKlO )	[11:00]
asciilifeform	^ usg training drills for cw2	[11:00]
asciilifeform	'Former marine Pete Lanteri has formed 'Counter Jade Helm', a volunteer group that will monitor the soldiers as they operate in Texas, with similar organizations springing up in other states involved in the war games.'	[11:02]
asciilifeform	'Texas Republican Governor Greg Abbott has charged the Texas State Guard, a traditional militia that numbers 1,900 and cannot be recruited into the federal army at times of war, with observing the actions of the special forces units.'	[11:03]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202285 << this is the bomb. it is intended to be set off by phoundation client decoding the 'undecodable', perma-forking the net.	[11:09]
assbot	Logged on 15-07-2015 11:39:46; mircea_popescu: 4574 of that crap, in a 4797 total txn block (avg is about 500-1k these days)	[11:09]
asciilifeform	axe-time, sword-time.	[11:09]
mircea_popescu	mmm	[11:09]
mircea_popescu	possibru.	[11:09]
mircea_popescu	except those look empty.	[11:09]
asciilifeform	didja hand-decode'em ?	[11:10]
mircea_popescu	i'm not sure ;/	[11:10]
asciilifeform	anybody got a raw bitwise dump of that block handy ?	[11:10]
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mircea_popescu	my nodes won't currently eat it.	[11:10]
scoopbot_revived	Good Morning ISIS. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/15/good-morning-isis/	[11:10]
mircea_popescu	yet strator does.	[11:10]
*	asciilifeform has spoken before re: the need for actual debug visibility into known tx on a node	[11:11]
asciilifeform	i would dearly like to know what it thinks it has eaten.	[11:12]
mircea_popescu	your own node is past 364671 is it not ?	[11:15]
asciilifeform	long past.	[11:15]
asciilifeform	s.nsa node has been fully synced in real time since the clock thing	[11:15]
mircea_popescu	so you can spit it out	[11:15]
asciilifeform	365435 at this moment	[11:15]
mircea_popescu	tell me if they're empty too.	[11:15]
asciilifeform	it is running plain 'stator' without the shitter/eater at present	[11:16]
asciilifeform	(i will be updating it some time this week)	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	ah. k.	[11:16]
asciilifeform	50 connections presently.	[11:17]
nubbins`	i gotta get on that	[11:19]
nubbins`	so little time tho	[11:19]
thestringpuller	;;isup qntra.net	[11:22]
gribble	qntra.net is down	[11:22]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: also why is my reverse dns 'archive.today'	[11:22]
mircea_popescu	huh ?	[11:22]
asciilifeform	s.nsa box	[11:22]
mircea_popescu	i've not touched it.	[11:22]
asciilifeform	oh it was like this from day1	[11:23]
*	mircea_popescu has no idea.	[11:23]
asciilifeform	i think the keeper never reset the reverse dns	[11:23]
nubbins`	heh	[11:23]
asciilifeform	might like to politely ask him.	[11:23]
mircea_popescu	you set up that thing iirc.	[11:23]
asciilifeform	i have no access to this	[11:23]
asciilifeform	it isn't on the box proper.	[11:23]
mircea_popescu	dns zone ? it's on the machine no ?	[11:23]
mircea_popescu	what ns it uses ?	[11:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73419 @ 0.00055935 = 41.0669 BTC [+] {2}	[11:24]
*	asciilifeform digs	[11:24]
mircea_popescu	dns1-5.registrar-servers.com looks like the registrar maintains your ns.	[11:27]
*	asciilifeform may have fixed, but is loathe to restart the box and lose a week+ of phuctor	[11:27]
mircea_popescu	does reverse dns make a diff to you anwyay ?	[11:27]
asciilifeform	not a titanic difference	[11:28]
mircea_popescu	so it'll kick in next it reboots.	[11:28]
asciilifeform	but places like the 'bitnodes' phonebook etc are showing 'archive.today' which is mildly confusing	[11:28]
mircea_popescu	pray for rain	[11:28]
asciilifeform	l0l aha.	[11:28]
*	asciilifeform is marvelling at the sheer winblowzistic retardation of having to restart anything to change a simple knob	[11:30]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/why-smpoe-is-worth-more-than-mtgox/	[11:30]
assbot	Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sn3Zix )	[11:30]
mircea_popescu	ahh, the perfume of antiques.	[11:30]
nubbins`	like having to let the stove cool down before switching pots	[11:30]
asciilifeform	btw this is a glibcism!	[11:30]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: this is rather more like having to demolish and rebuild your kitchen when switching pots.	[11:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52769 @ 0.00056314 = 29.7163 BTC [+] {2}	[11:31]
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nubbins`	heh	[11:32]
nubbins`	cut the breaker at the box, let the iron cool	[11:32]
nubbins`	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202337	[11:33]
assbot	Logged on 15-07-2015 12:57:08; nubbins`: for alf: http://antilop.cc/sr/files/Silk_Road_JTAN_com_Search_Warrant.pdf	[11:33]
nubbins`	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202339	[11:33]
assbot	Logged on 15-07-2015 12:57:37; nubbins`: "The substances purchased have been various Schedule I and II drugs, including ecstasy, cocaine, heroin, LSD, and others. As of April 2013, at least 56 samples of these purchases have been laboratory-tested, and, of these, 54 have shown high purity levels of the drug the item was advertised to be on Silk Road. "	[11:33]
nubbins`	of course, past performance is not an indicator of &c &c	[11:33]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/c766d065a39cb0232f82030f79f3e8bf/tumblr_n7o3uw4HGH1tf0vpqo1_1280.jpg	[11:34]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1K7rNIa )	[11:34]
nubbins`	ehh	[11:36]
nubbins`	this kicked up a bit of a stink here yesterday:	[11:36]
nubbins`	http://www.thetelegram.com/Opinion/Letter-to-the-editor/2015-07-11/article-4208931/City-invades-private-homes/1	[11:36]
assbot	City invades private homes - Letter to the editor - The Telegram ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7rZqG )	[11:37]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202458 << usg sop. consider, if they did not proclaim to have found 'quality dope', might have to let him go	[11:37]
assbot	Logged on 15-07-2015 14:29:58; assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 12:57:37; nubbins`: "The substances purchased have been various Schedule I and II drugs, including ecstasy, cocaine, heroin, LSD, and others. As of April 2013, at least 56 samples of these purchases have been laboratory-tested, and, of these, 54 have shown high purity levels of the drug the item was advertised to be on Silk Road. "	[11:37]
scoopbot_revived	Eulora Sunday Event - July the 19th http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-sunday-event-july-the-19th/	[11:37]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: afaik house-to-house searches are perfectly legal in ca ?	[11:38]
nubbins`	asciilifeform iirc, a kg of brown substance that's 5% hashish and 95% chocolate is considered a kg of hash	[11:38]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: aha. this is especially lulzy re: lsd	[11:38]
nubbins`	8)	[11:39]
nubbins`	.005% active ingredient	[11:39]
nubbins`	asciilifeform this was a city assessor demanding entry under threat of fines	[11:39]
nubbins`	council decided they'd better clear the air today:	[11:39]
nubbins`	http://www.thetelegram.com/News/Local/2015-07-14/article-4214517/Residents-don%26rsquo%3Bt-have-to-allow-assessors-in%2C-says-councillor/1	[11:39]
assbot	Residents don’t have to allow assessors in, says councillor - Local - The Telegram ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sn4Pfh )	[11:39]
nubbins`	“If you refuse them entry into the home, that’s fine. The assessor won’t go any further with that. The assessment work is then done from outside the home.”	[11:40]
nubbins`	lel	[11:40]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: btw this is sop for rented dwellings in usa	[11:40]
asciilifeform	i actually had an assessor visit a month or so ago	[11:40]
nubbins`	apparently sop here too	[11:40]
asciilifeform	took photos, too. every room	[11:40]
asciilifeform	100% in the contract.	[11:41]
nubbins`	council clarified they're specifically not "inspecting" or looking for code violations	[11:41]
nubbins`	just extra apartments, additions, etc that'd impact prop tax	[11:41]
nubbins`	asciilifeform landlords have the right to inspect property here with 24h notice	[11:41]
asciilifeform	aha	[11:42]
nubbins`	somewhat related, we've decided to keep the second house for another 5	[11:42]
nubbins`	i am two mortgages, hear me roar	[11:42]
asciilifeform	and over here, it even includes photos. for sale ad, or 'refinance', etc	[11:42]
asciilifeform	don't leave the seekrit documentz out.	[11:42]
asciilifeform	(if strangers ~don't~ ever invade your house, but the latter has... windows - same applies)	[11:44]
nubbins`	heh	[11:44]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform recall the "laboratory testing" where some woman in mass was found to have out and out lied over thousands of cases, resulting in a bazillion overturn or retried cases ?	[11:44]
asciilifeform	aha	[11:44]
nubbins`	somewhat related, the interest rates on mortgages are INSANE right now	[11:44]
mircea_popescu	DID THEY CHECK EVERY OTHER SINGLE LAB ACROSS THE US ?	[11:44]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not afaik. why would they.	[11:44]
nubbins`	they wouldn't because then there would be no labs left	[11:44]
mircea_popescu	so... yeah. it's probably rampant, half the labs just fgind what the da says and the rest have no clue what year it is.	[11:44]
asciilifeform	not like they ~want~ to find more of this.	[11:44]
nubbins`	i think we renewed at smth like 2.5%?	[11:45]
mircea_popescu	anything over 0.3 or so is a joek.	[11:46]
nubbins`	hey, 's life	[11:46]
nubbins`	mine from ~4 years ago is around 3.6%	[11:47]
mircea_popescu	http://41.media.tumblr.com/c54dae92e84d836c68e2a667f7d45dba/tumblr_n15ldcHA9o1rtx81jo1_1280.jpg << guard room to the slavecoin mining facility.	[11:47]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Sn5IEv )	[11:47]
nubbins`	thought about selling the second home	[11:47]
nubbins`	decided we probably would not be in a position to repurchase a second home in the future, should we so desire	[11:47]
nubbins`	& so	[11:47]
gribble	Error: "so" is not a valid command.	[11:48]
nubbins`	...	[11:48]
*	asciilifeform repurchases shirt on his back	[11:48]
*	asciilifeform refinances 2nd shirt	[11:48]
mircea_popescu	see, if you didn't do enough drugs in your youth ? nubbins` got you licked.	[11:49]
asciilifeform	aha.	[11:49]
asciilifeform	https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=/Marilyn:0.9.99 << anyone know ?	[11:51]
assbot	Snapshot of reachable nodes in the Bitcoin network - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7u06b )	[11:51]
asciilifeform	could easily be a 'second us'	[11:52]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thisisthat/texas-sugar-water-bring-your-kids-to-work-day-newfoundland-apology-no-gambling-casino-1.2843567/texas-town-adds-sugar-to-water-supply-to-encourage-residents-to-drink-more-water-1.2843568?segtest=1	[11:52]
assbot	Texas town adds sugar to water supply to encourage residents to drink more water - Home \| This is That with Pat Kelly and Peter Oldring \| CBC Radio ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7u3Pv )	[11:52]
nubbins`	i read this with wide-eyed amazement until they said 4 tbsp of sugar per 8oz water	[11:53]
nubbins`	then was mildly annoyed at myself	[11:53]
asciilifeform	'the onion' ?	[11:53]
nubbins`	cbc equiv	[11:53]
nubbins`	"we don't just talk about the issues, we fabricate them"	[11:54]
nubbins`	asciilifeform refinancing anything isn't in the books	[11:54]
nubbins`	it would be fairly difficult to lose money on this	[11:54]
nubbins`	in fact, due to accelerated payments, the house could lose 40% of its value over the next 5 years and we could still sell it for a profit	[11:55]
asciilifeform	neat	[11:55]
asciilifeform	i'm not sure even my organs will be sold at a profit.	[11:56]
nubbins`	not by you, anyway!	[11:56]
asciilifeform	https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=/Ender:3.14.15.94	[11:56]
assbot	Snapshot of reachable nodes in the Bitcoin network - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sn7iGr )	[11:56]
nubbins`	my biggest worry was some sort of major catastrophe happening and not being able to cover repairs	[11:56]
nubbins`	but i think at this point, everything that could go wrong already has	[11:56]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: they haven't invented insurance yet in ca ?	[11:57]
nubbins`	there's a lotta shit insurance doesn't cover	[11:57]
nubbins`	even if it does cover it, takes weeks/months to settle claim	[11:57]
asciilifeform	so get moar insurance ?	[11:57]
nubbins`	meantime, you've got a hole in the side of your house or a flooded basement or w/e	[11:57]
nubbins`	water damage is specifically excluded from most insurance contracts	[11:58]
nubbins`	anyway, i'm pretty much a home repair expert by now	[11:58]
nubbins`	trial by fire	[11:58]
nubbins`	"yeah, we have rent here for you... and there's a gallon a minute pouring through the first floor ceiling"	[11:58]
mats	10:40:46 <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform recall the "laboratory testing" where some woman in mass was found to have out and out lied over thousands of cases, resulting in a bazillion overturn or retried cases ? << another chick was found to be doing the same thing in 2014	[11:59]
mats	http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2014/01/chemist.html	[12:00]
assbot	Northampton chemist Sonja Farak gets 18 months in jail for tampering with drug samples \| masslive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sn7WUd )	[12:00]
mats	another one in MA, no less	[12:00]
asciilifeform	l0l, that's a woman ?	[12:01]
chetty	https://archive.is/ybntU	[12:01]
assbot	Qntra \| Reporting the Intersection of Bitcoin, Technology, and Politics ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sn8dGI )	[12:01]
asciilifeform	chetty: qntra loads here	[12:01]
chetty	yeah its good here too, now	[12:02]
asciilifeform	'By stealing cocaine from the crime lab at the University of Massachusetts, Farak undermined public faith in the criminal justice system and sabotaged drug prosecutions in four western counties, Rup said during a hearing' << l0l!!	[12:02]
asciilifeform	stole, ate ?	[12:02]
asciilifeform	'For Farak, crack cocaine was not a party drug, but a way of controlling depression, Pourinski said. “It was about coping; it certainly wasn’t about having fun; I don’t think she’s had fun in quite a while,” she added.' << paging tlp!	[12:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103200 @ 0.0005587 = 57.6578 BTC [-]	[12:04]
nubbins`	heh	[12:04]
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nubbins`	WELL IF SHE DIDN'T HAVE FUN	[12:04]
nubbins`	implying that most cocaine users do it for the fun.	[12:04]
*	nubbins` chuckles	[12:04]
asciilifeform	http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2015/07/crd_metalworks_denied_special.html << from same rag	[12:05]
assbot	Confederate flag-flying CRD Metalworks may move 14 jobs from Williamsburg to Hatfield \| masslive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sn90aJ )	[12:05]
nubbins`	implying that regular cocaine users don't just use it to cope	[12:05]
nubbins`	etc	[12:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51489 @ 0.00055838 = 28.7504 BTC [-]	[12:05]
nubbins`	For Farak, crack cocaine was used for the same goddamn reason everyone else uses it, Pourinski didn't but should have said	[12:05]
asciilifeform	'"I was not happy that we had to find this way," said Locke. "CRD employs 10 to 15 people, and they make a good, well-designed product. But we had to follow the rules." Issues around the Confederate battle flag did not enter into the Planning Board's deliberations, said Locke, adding in an email that "this is a very successful business that outgrew its existing location and permitting."'	[12:06]
asciilifeform	can't make this shit up if i tried.	[12:06]
shinohai	https://mail-archive.com/bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org/msg00500.html	[12:06]
assbot	[bitcoin-dev] Significant losses by double-spending unconfirmed transactions ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sn9bD8 )	[12:06]
nubbins`	it outgrew its permits	[12:06]
nubbins`	heh	[12:06]
asciilifeform	^ zeroconf idiocy, news at 11?	[12:07]
nubbins`	"loltasticly a Mike Hearn Bitcoin XT node was used to relay the double-spends"	[12:07]
asciilifeform	who the fuck uses zeroconf and why.	[12:12]
nubbins`	all the rubes buying coffees?	[12:14]
nubbins`	hm, wonder if there are any plantations accepting btc	[12:14]
nubbins`	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hN89U_XD9E	[12:16]
assbot	Interview With Creepy Hand Model (CBS Interview) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7xdmq )	[12:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47721 @ 0.00055717 = 26.5887 BTC [-]	[12:18]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48129 @ 0.00055717 = 26.816 BTC [-]	[12:26]
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nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/marvel-targets-tiny-town-tilt-cove-for-ant-man-marketing-campaign-1.3152593	[12:29]
assbot	Marvel targets tiny-town Tilt Cove for Ant-Man marketing campaign - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7yI3O )	[12:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54808 @ 0.00055571 = 30.4574 BTC [-] {2}	[12:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29848 @ 0.00057146 = 17.0569 BTC [+]	[12:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62700 @ 0.00054809 = 34.3652 BTC [-]	[12:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53500 @ 0.00057146 = 30.5731 BTC [+]	[12:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36252 @ 0.00057146 = 20.7166 BTC [+] {2}	[12:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75948 @ 0.00057369 = 43.5706 BTC [+] {3}	[12:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105000 @ 0.00055533 = 58.3097 BTC [-] {2}	[13:08]
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decimation	http://spacecoastdaily.com/2015/07/blastoff-atlas-v-successfully-launched-from-cape-canaveral-air-force-station/ < usg manages to lauch another gps satellite	[13:12]
assbot	BLASTOFF! Atlas V Successfully Launched From Cape Canaveral Air Force Station \| ... ( http://bit.ly/1fJrcQd )	[13:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46300 @ 0.0005763 = 26.6827 BTC [+] {2}	[13:18]
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mircea_popescu	lol hello gribble. how are you today dear.	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ayup.	[21:33]
asciilifeform	which	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	very nice work. nevertheless, it's still empty.	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	the lot.	[21:34]
asciilifeform	not empty. full of nonstd crud a la 'darkwallet'	[21:34]
asciilifeform	or rather, speaking of the wedge block	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	it's still "1"	[21:34]
asciilifeform	the 3 linked - i have not yet cut open	[21:35]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: read the linked ml turd yet ?	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	(i had read it before, too)	[21:35]
asciilifeform	aha!	[21:35]
asciilifeform	my present understanding is that these are wedgebombz	[21:35]
asciilifeform	that have not yet gone off.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	well, inasmuch as my bitcoin doesn't eat the block, they have.	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	what i gathered from what you were saying yest was that they contain an actual spendable tx that will be accepted as input for future txn by future usg clients, thus forking off the legitimate network	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	which is obviously always a possibility but atm i don't see how it'd work.	[21:37]
asciilifeform	my current hypothesis re: 364671.	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	something like http://i.imgur.com/vTifdh5.gifv	[21:37]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Lb7QQP )	[21:37]
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asciilifeform	this particular shit sandwich has multiple layers. for instance, how did that thing even become a block.	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	miner can mine it.	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	if other miners don't reject it...	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	exactly as recent fork happened.	[21:39]
asciilifeform	who the fuck relayed it? or was it shat straight into the mouth of a tame miner	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	nobody relayed it it is not relayable.	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	it was miner manufactured.	[21:39]
asciilifeform	seems pretty clear, this.	[21:39]
asciilifeform	though iirc hearniated client relays it.	[21:39]
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asciilifeform	and there is also the oddity, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202695	[21:41]
assbot	Logged on 15-07-2015 19:04:26; mod6: magic number is not 0xD9B4BEF9 in 364671	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	i've not kept up with all the idiocy spweing out of that shit-for-brains, so maybe.,	[21:42]
mod6	guess i should have said "first four bytes are not..."	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	anyway, we for sure live in interesting times.	[21:42]
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trinque	ben_vulpes: thought some more about db testing strategy	[21:55]
trinque	make rules -> try to break them -> if you can't, test passes	[21:55]
trinque	so the pass is a db exception	[21:56]
trinque	I prefer to just inspect the thing myself and see that the constraint's there, but that's an option if ya want tests	[21:56]
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nubbins`	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uvMzriPA00	[21:58]
assbot	GULL - Fast Enough - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lba2rs )	[21:58]
trinque	damn, impressive	[22:00]
trinque	sounds good too	[22:00]
trinque	so one day nobody showed up for band practice, and the guy said "FUCK IT, I AM THE BAND"	[22:01]
trinque	haha	[22:01]
nubbins`	<+gernika> I once applied for a job in Shenzhen - was required to send my picture. I was deemed acceptable. <<< did same for teaching job in sk	[22:01]
nubbins`	<@asciilifeform> http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/major-computer-hacking-forum-dismantled << from horse's mouth <<< “Through this operation, we have dismantled a cyber hornets’ nest" :0	[22:03]
assbot	Major Computer Hacking Forum Dismantled \| OPA \| Department of Justice ... ( http://bit.ly/1e1vWyB )	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	give the man cyber milk & cookies.	[22:04]
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nubbins`	right>	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	cyberright!	[22:05]
nubbins`	!!	[22:05]
nubbins`	hornets' cybernest sounds better	[22:05]
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mats	asciilifeform: what's there to write about, folks have covered all the interesting bits already	[22:06]
asciilifeform	apparently.	[22:07]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: got a signed centos6.5 iso around perchance ?	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	mnope	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	and besides, i don't release centos wtf is this !?	[22:09]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu doesn't release bitcoin 0.1 either, l0l	[22:09]
asciilifeform	this kind of wankatronix is, sadly, the only known defence against history-diddlers	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	myeah. i dun have anythin' tho.	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	do you ?	[22:11]
asciilifeform	probably. but will have to dig, open old crates, read decaying disks. hence why asked..	[22:11]
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mircea_popescu	http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/dyb/dyb2012.htm << fucktards. "here's pdf an xls. because cvs never happened".	[22:15]
assbot	United Nations Statistics Division - Demographic and Social Statistics ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbbJoW )	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	why is stupidity so common.	[22:15]
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asciilifeform	csv ?	[22:22]
nubbins`	XD	[22:22]
nubbins`	comma veparated salues	[22:22]
*	asciilifeform puzzled over above for a whole minute	[22:23]
nubbins`	content versioning system	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	csv csv.	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	sorry for my altenrative alibities.	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202562 << admitting that the entire point of the usg is to prevent fun.	[22:30]
assbot	Logged on 15-07-2015 15:01:17; nubbins`: implying that most cocaine users do it for the fun.	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	this is a defense now, "well... not like i was having fun". so... fuck you for being dumb ?	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202658 << the kludges and bugs are baked into anything humans do, for as long as they stick.	[22:33]
assbot	Logged on 15-07-2015 18:15:35; nubbins`: danielpbarron, it seems likely that kludges and bugs will be baked into Bitcoin for eternity	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	what, you think calgary's perfectly laid out ?	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202663 <--> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202656 <---> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1202970 these three are all exactly the same statement.	[22:35]
assbot	Logged on 15-07-2015 18:18:50; danielpbarron: my expectation for this world is that everything will suck and everyone is stupid	[22:35]
assbot	Logged on 15-07-2015 18:14:46; *: nubbins` generally lives life as if 1btc == $0.00	[22:35]
assbot	Logged on 16-07-2015 01:11:58; mircea_popescu: http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/dyb/dyb2012.htm << fucktards. "here's pdf an xls. because cvs never happened".	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202687 << never be surprised at any tests, they're always a good idea.	[22:36]
assbot	Logged on 15-07-2015 18:35:24; ascii_field: the current turd is not 'pogoable' and i'm surprised that danielpbarron bothered to test it there	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202725 << how won't it do ?	[22:37]
assbot	Logged on 15-07-2015 19:19:37; punkman: which version do we target for bug-to-bug compatibility, since 0.5.3 won't do?	[22:37]
*	asciilifeform was also puzzled by that question	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	so, anyone checked solrodar's werk ?	[22:38]
asciilifeform	i suspect that a number of readers presently believe that we are hosed	[22:38]
trinque	maybe he's asking what if anything shall be backported	[22:38]
asciilifeform	we are not hosed.	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform as best i can determine atm we're not (yet) hosed.	[22:38]
asciilifeform	well, ~my~ node worx.	[22:38]
asciilifeform	and i'm about to stand up another.	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	but if the shitshow continues where imbeciles simply do random things, we will certainly end up hosed.	[22:39]
scoopbot_revived	BurtW Indictment Dismissed At Behest Of Department Of Justice http://qntra.net/2015/07/burtw-indictment-dismissed-at-behest-of-department-of-justice/	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	it's in the nature of things.	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	"I'm not allowed to see the final agreement between the government and my husband. "	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	herp.	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	!rated burtw	[22:39]
assbot	burtw is not registered in WoT.	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	figgers.	[22:39]
asciilifeform	' I can only assume it is a non-prosecution agreement since Burt has to forfeit cash and Bitcoins to have the case dismissed.'	[22:39]
asciilifeform	long live ze waterfall.	[22:40]
asciilifeform	gotta admit, usg switching to funding tx spam with stolen coin, rather than giving it at mega-discount to mircea_popescu et al, was a less-retarded-than-usual move	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	afaik they misjudge both their technical ability and the actual state of the network, but hey, if that's what the excel model said...	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	http://qntra.net/2015/07/burtw-indictment-dismissed-at-behest-of-department-of-justice/#comment-32151	[22:44]
assbot	BurtW Indictment Dismissed At Behest Of Department Of Justice \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1TDwH0X )	[22:44]
punkman	0.5.3 will accept new v2 blocks for example. is that a good idea right now?	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202764 << he has a point, you know ?	[22:45]
assbot	Logged on 15-07-2015 21:30:49; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202652 << always with the russian orthodox jew schtick, this guy.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	punkman yes. now and forever.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	just like every single last schmuck working for the usg must know that one day we will hang him for ~THAT~ crime, just so every schmuck fucking around with "bitcoiin development" must know that one day, his efforts will be undone and we revert.	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform has a russian expression to explain this concept. it originates, mythically, with stalin.	[22:46]
asciilifeform	'no man, no...'	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	nah, not that one.	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1186543	[22:47]
assbot	Logged on 04-07-2015 04:16:44; asciilifeform: 3) не шагу назад	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	there is nothing that the usg has ever done or could ever do that has even the faintest whiff of permanence. not one thing.	[22:48]
asciilifeform	^ not mythical, but the name of a 'papal bull' he issued	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	im still not convinced he wrotye his own stuff.	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202786 << you probably misunderstand how attached men that made fortunes get to the fortunes in question. a year evaporated 90% of my billion net worth, i can assure you the only thing i pissed on were womenz.	[22:51]
assbot	Logged on 15-07-2015 21:39:33; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202766 << the point i was trying to make is that the one upside of having pretty much no coin is that i can sit and think about the whole shebang going to hell without pissing in pants	[22:51]
asciilifeform	but didn't lose sleep-ad-libitum	[22:52]
asciilifeform	i don't seriously imagine that anybody gives a fuck between the 99th and 100th million.	[22:52]
decimation	asciilifeform: besides, even if you had $x mil, what difference would it really make	[22:54]
decimation	other than 'had, then lost' rather than 'never had'	[22:54]
cazalla	i figured most if not all people here are well prepared if upon waking bitcoin is $0 or dead.. i would go work in the garden as i did yesterday and will tmw so bit surprised to read this one from asciilifeform	[22:54]
asciilifeform	read what	[22:55]
asciilifeform	clearly did not read carefully.	[22:55]
*	asciilifeform astonished at the sheer militant retardation of centos's default partitioning scheme	[22:57]
cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202652 <<< this part.. what is to envy?	[22:57]
assbot	Logged on 15-07-2015 18:12:50; ascii_field: nubbins`: this is when you ought to envy folks like me, who have nothing	[22:57]
decimation	asciilifeform: it's just a knock off of redhat	[22:57]
decimation	what part strikes you as more retarded: the partitions or the lvm?	[22:57]
asciilifeform	both	[22:57]
decimation	yeah I find lvm is a 'solution in search of a problem'	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	sheer militant retardation of centos's default partitioning scheme << what's wrong with it ? asked he cluelessly.	[22:58]
asciilifeform	1) lvm exists 2) asinine 50/50 split of disk between 'root' and 'home'	[22:59]
asciilifeform	every time i ever used a binary dist of linux, ended up barfing from something like this	[23:01]
asciilifeform	i mean, 'what even' (tm) (r)	[23:01]
asciilifeform	someone was dropped as a baby ?	[23:01]
mats	lol.	[23:01]
decimation	asciilifeform: in fairness, what would a 'sane' scheme be?	[23:01]
decimation	one that uses no lvm and allocates most space to 'home'	[23:02]
asciilifeform	there was a menu thingie, 'use all disk'	[23:02]
asciilifeform	the sane thing to do is to NOT LIE MOTHERFUCKERS	[23:02]
asciilifeform	and actually use whole disk	[23:02]
decimation	for what? /boot?	[23:02]
asciilifeform	/	[23:02]
decimation	aye, agreed	[23:02]
decimation	it has to insert itself into your business I guess	[23:03]
decimation	anyone serious does their own partition scheme	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	uh	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	50/50 root/home split forced ?!	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	this sounds insane. i've never seen it on any centos server i ever owned.	[23:11]
decimation	I think he's talking about what happens when you click the default entry	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	ah	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	thefaults are broken throughout nix world.	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202806 < aye verily.	[23:13]
assbot	Logged on 15-07-2015 21:54:58; ascii_field: at any rate, none of the diddles thus far would have made so much as a scratch on, e.g., 'adacoin'	[23:13]
asciilifeform	that is the one kind of thing for which the buggers have nothing up their sleeves	[23:15]
asciilifeform	(other than perhaps the long-awaited bullet in my head)	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin is a) game currency and b) prototype. pick as needed.	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1202873 << this i count in favour of the chinese.	[23:16]
assbot	Logged on 16-07-2015 00:04:23; mthreat: chinese job postings routinely specify measurements for female employees, for jobs such as receptionist, and also specify that they be "attractive". If you just search on http://cn.indeed.com for "cm", you'll find jobs with centimeter measurements.	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1202876 << this used to be the convention in the romania of the 90s : "90/60/90 or gtfo".	[23:17]
assbot	Logged on 16-07-2015 00:06:22; mthreat: looks like most of them specify height, for males too. But I've seen some specify bust/waist/ass measurements	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	suddenly makes implants a business expense.	[23:17]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1202898 o.O	[23:21]
assbot	Logged on 16-07-2015 00:23:05; gernika: Actually used to work at Micron, as an intern for a summer. Would have worked for them for a second summer but ... drug test. They did email on a Vax of some sorts, but were otherwise a windows shop.	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	sometimes i think i'm the last dude left that doesn't do drugs.	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1202905 << obviously.	[23:22]
assbot	Logged on 16-07-2015 00:24:43; asciilifeform: to round off the earlier thread, aficionados of 'parallel construction' will find a treasure of a lulzfest in the 'darkode' indictments.	[23:22]
asciilifeform	i distinctly recall mircea_popescu having fessed up to 'do'	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	honestly i have a lot of trouble distinguishing this "law enforcement" push from "hiring spree"	[23:22]
asciilifeform	or does 'do' require daily indulgence	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform say wut ?	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	i don't even drink a notable amount of coffee fer crissakes.	[23:23]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2014#829508	[23:23]
assbot	Logged on 15-09-2014 17:22:10; mircea_popescu: speaking of high, the pot here is infucking credible.	[23:23]
mod6	If bitcoin should perish, we will write it's successor: the revolution will not be stopped. Crypto-currency is here to stay. Full stop.	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	so it is. and i say so on the basis of dragging twice off a chick's joint.	[23:24]
asciilifeform	this is not a 'do' ?	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	i guess it is.	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	course, he was discussing failing tests and whatnot.	[23:25]
asciilifeform	aha	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	different things these or no ?	[23:25]
asciilifeform	'do' is a variable thing. erdos, for instance, has to this day reputation of 'speed head' but the amount he is said to have taken, in a year, is quite possibly less than a typical addict eats in a week	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	ftr, it's not like i'm on some sort of war on drugs mission or anything. i can appreciate good cocaine just as i can appreciate good steak, i've a refined palate etc.	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	i just don't happen to care for it.	[23:26]
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asciilifeform	probably the only folks who can really appreciate dope, hilariously, are those who don't care for it	[23:27]
mod6	also: http://thebicoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000124.html	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	i guess that's a point	[23:27]
asciilifeform	mod6: that host doesn't resolve for me, interestingly	[23:28]
mod6	oh fuk	[23:28]
mod6	sorry	[23:28]
asciilifeform	(i'm still able to read the msg on therealbitcoin.org)	[23:28]
mod6	http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000124.html	[23:28]
assbot	[BTC-dev] WARNING! Comparing Binaries for differences with & without OpenSSL configuration flag: no-shared ... ( http://bit.ly/1e1Dgu9 )	[23:28]
asciilifeform	l0l there.	[23:28]
mod6	missed the 't'	[23:28]
mod6	hanbot: haha	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo cazalla you know the qntra after a day's blackout is actually quite good!	[23:29]
BingoBoingo	It really is	[23:30]
punkman	https://archive.org/details/dnmarchives potential source for gpg keys not found on public keyservers	[23:35]
assbot	Dark Net Market archives, 2011-2015 : Gwern Branwen : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1e1Dt0B )	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	"Points of objection to the extradition put forth by Davis's counsel claim he would be subjected to inhuman and degrading conditions if convicted and that as he suffers from depression and aspergers, his mental health would be put at risk. Counsel also argued that Davis should have been charged with the offences he is alleged to have committed in Ireland and not in the US. Despite this, the Irish DPP has not investigat	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	ed nor has any intention of charging Davis in relation to his alleged Silk Road activity."	[23:35]
asciilifeform	punkman: neato. let me know if you found anything of interest therein	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	!up trixisowned	[23:36]
-assbot-	You voiced trixisowned for 30 minutes.	[23:36]
*	assbot gives voice to trixisowned	[23:36]
trixisowned	[22:55:27] and i have heard "something", just nothing particularly substantial.	[23:37]
trixisowned	oops	[23:37]
trixisowned	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1125214.0	[23:37]
assbot	The Golden Ratio Attack. Blocks more than half full lead to mining monopoly. ... ( http://bit.ly/1e1DAcx )	[23:37]
trixisowned	sorry that was a accidental backcoppy	[23:37]
trixisowned	irc auto copy highlight :P	[23:37]
trixisowned	this sounds fairly legit	[23:37]
trixisowned	and a actuall problem.	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	yes the backlog is going to be permanent. who exactly is surprised by this ?	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	or what am i missing here.	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	again : bitcoin is not for the poor. there's articles on trilema detailing this going all the way back to 2012. what, this never happened ?	[23:39]
trixisowned	you can force your blocks to have more of a backlog than other blocks, which is also prioritized via the client	[23:39]
trixisowned	which could cause them to profit by stuffing their own blocks	[23:39]
trixisowned	with their own transactions	[23:39]
trixisowned	and not relaying those transactions to other nodes	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	trixisowned have you been reading the log here ?	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	all this was discussed days ago.	[23:40]
trixisowned	nah i havent sorry	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	kay.	[23:41]
trinque	doesn't look like anything fun is left on these drives but a gigabyte of a base ubuntu install	[23:47]
trinque	at least for anyone lacking a scanning electron microscope	[23:47]
*	trinque just fired up the jet engine in his closet	[23:48]
asciilifeform	or a copy of dd	[23:48]
asciilifeform	and 'foremost' or 1,001 other/better proggies	[23:48]
trinque	asciilifeform: yeah I'll still dd the thing somewhere	[23:48]
trinque	and there are 4 other drives not installed for additional phun	[23:48]
asciilifeform	stow the originals, put in own.	[23:49]
trinque	yeah, ass-goblins in the hd firmware right?	[23:51]
asciilifeform	nah, just to keep the old bits	[23:52]
asciilifeform	(i forget why you wanted'em)	[23:52]
trinque	ah ok	[23:52]
trinque	meh, no real reason, lol	[23:52]
trinque	I assume this box is no more owned than the lenovo laptop I'm fiddling with it from	[23:52]
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