Forum logs for 15 Jul 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

mircea_popescu	;;google highly sexual yelps of Kournikova playing tennis	[00:02]
gribble	Ken Park pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Anna Kournikova - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia: ; Tennis Players Bill Simmons Would Do: Another Classic From The ...:	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	i will end up owning the english language.	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	;;google pay for your tits	[00:09]
gribble	I'll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; FLASH YOUR TITS - I'LL PAY YOU - NOT FAKE: ; Maurica: Pay for my Tits:	[00:09]
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asciilifeform	!up PantyHotOffThePr	[00:14]
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ThickAsThieves	i wonder if google has a search profile for gribble	[00:14]
Xplosionist	asciilifeform: Getting up in the panties. nice.	[00:14]
Xplosionist	;;google gribble search profile	[00:15]
gribble	Gribble neighborhood in Dallas, Texas (TX), 75229, 75234 ...: ; Matthew Gribble - United Arab Emirates \| LinkedIn: ; Matt Gribble profiles \| LinkedIn:	[00:15]
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Xplosionist	ThickAsThieves: Not a good one. :-)	[00:15]
ThickAsThieves	trilema is 2nd when i search pay for your tits	[00:15]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i imagine it must. but i get the same off random ips too	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	i wonder how profiling gribble would work, seeing how it never clicks on anything	[00:17]
rithm	oooh a search profile	[00:17]
rithm	that doesn't work, i've been trolled here	[00:18]
rithm	smh	[00:18]
ThickAsThieves	yep it's 2nd if i use a clena browser too	[00:18]
ThickAsThieves	clean	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	ono gribs, you've been lied to ?	[00:19]
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mircea_popescu	http://myfreeimplants.com/ << kickstarter is so last derpday. boobstarter is here! invest in breast!	[00:23]
assbot	Free Breast Implants, Free Boob Job, Free Plastic Surgery Financing. MyFreeImplants.com	[00:23]
ThickAsThieves	is it blowjobs for boobjobs essentially?	[00:24]
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mircea_popescu	i doubt it. prolly more like "click to feed the indians" sorta deal	[00:25]
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Xplosionist	I wonder if they prohibit suggesting repayment in blowjobs?	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	a blowjob is like $20. a hotel stay, like $100. airfare say $500.	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	why would you buy blowjobs on the interwebs ?	[00:27]
ThickAsThieves	why would you by drugs on the interwebs?	[00:27]
ThickAsThieves	buy	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves that's retarded, which is why sr never went anywhere.	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	now imagine pills were 50lbs+ each	[00:28]
ThickAsThieves	i'd be even less likely to take them	[00:29]
Xplosionist	mircea_popescu: YEah, but if you could get a whole lot of blowjobs from someone for a couple hundred bucks toniation toward her plastic surgery, then.	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	then just buy her outright and get her the surgery ?	[00:29]
Xplosionist	I'm not saying it's likely to work out at all well.	[00:29]
ThickAsThieves	maybe site has "find sunken chest in your area"	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	ahah	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if there's a weirdo-christian website paying women to have breastreduction.	[00:30]
Xplosionist	free thinking, doesn't require (or recommend!) serious analysis. :-)	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	something a la skoptsy.	[00:30]
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mircea_popescu	hey kakobrekla , "Last block: 59 minutes ago (310746)" according to bitbet but we're on 310750.	[00:36]
mike_c	blockchains are hard	[00:37]
mike_c	WoL is on 310802 because it is awesome	[00:38]
mike_c	it sees the future	[00:38]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	228 (block 310,751 no ?	[00:40]
mike_c	ok, it doesn't really see the future	[00:42]
mike_c	but if it could!	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	http://listverse.com/2014/07/02/10-terrifyingly-evil-killer-cults/ << check out the vampyre kids	[00:42]
assbot	10 Terrifyingly Evil Killer Cults - Listverse	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	"On November 25, 1996, Ferrell and his vampire clan, which consisted of Scott Anderson and two teenage girls"	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	next one up, "Operating in Massachusetts in the late ’70s, the Fall Rivers Cult was led by 25-year-old Carl Drew. Drew was a pimp who used Satanism to terrify the prostitutes who worked for him."	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	that guy musta thrown some wild parties.	[00:43]
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kakobrekla	yes its being fixed	[00:45]
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[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $800 before August" http://bitbet.us/bet/994/ Odds: 30(Y):70(N) by coin, 30(Y):70(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.64923557 BTC. Current weight: 89,419.	[00:47]
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mike_c	confirmed fixed.	[00:50]
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mircea_popescu	"The South Pacific's first native Anglican bishop, Sir George Ambo, was excommunicated after running off with a nun, Sister Cora, with whom he set up a visionary cult."	[00:54]
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mircea_popescu	Lundgren told jurors at his trial that he was a prophet of God and “not worthy of the death penalty.” The jurors disagreed and sentenced him to death. In a last-ditch appeal, Lundgren claimed he was too fat to be executed. The court shot down that appeal, too, and he was executed by lethal injection on October 24, 2006.	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	dude that's an argument. "i'm too fat to die!"	[00:59]
Xplosionist	No, "I'm to fat to be killed." Now disproven. :-)	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	yet another thing that works better for corporations.	[01:00]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this is a usa-specific thing, that probably needs explanation. a number of convicts argued (to varying degrees of success) that their execution, via the locally prescribed method, 'couldn't possibly work humanely'	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	oh, that's what it is.	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	ty.	[01:01]
asciilifeform	and then the judges get to fill out more paperwork, etc.	[01:01]
asciilifeform	'too fat' has been tried with regards to hanging, poison, etc.	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	The foursome would travel around the city in Gecht’s van and either lure women to the van or outright kidnap them. They would take the victims back to Gecht’s apartment in order to sacrifice them. First, they took turns raping the victim, before removing the breast using piano wire. Apparently, they subsequently masturbated onto the amputated breast before dicing it up and then eating it. This was all done while Ge	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	cht read aloud from the Satanic Bible.	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	that's the atomic cumbiscuit ?	[01:02]
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mircea_popescu	"Despite a guilty plea, Taylor was given the death penalty. In 2010, Taylor tried to commit suicide by stuffing pens and pencils in his eye sockets, which only ended up blinding him. On August 14, 2013, Taylor hanged himself in his cell using his bedsheets."	[01:07]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.coindesk.com/linkedin-co-founder-bitcoin-smart-five-year-investment/ guy looks like pee wee herman's nemesis http://paolostheateroftheabsurd.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/francis_buxton2.jpg	[01:09]
assbot	LinkedIn Co-Founder: Bitcoin is in My Five-Year Investment Plan	[01:09]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	it's stil a smart five year investment.	[01:13]
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Azelphur	mircea_popescu: I'm sure you'll find this amusing, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2014/Jul/2014-07-14-215730_5120x1440_scrot.png	[01:15]
Azelphur	objectifying women, etc etc xD	[01:15]
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mircea_popescu	Azelphur im not so up to date with the thing, so you're calling some dating site's api	[01:16]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: nah no API, scraping.	[01:17]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: I'm building a SQL database of singles in my area...for science and such.	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	oh oh	[01:17]
Azelphur	and okcupid has intelligence questions	[01:17]
Azelphur	so I can literally select * from users where clue > 0	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	how's the clue > 0 part work ?	[01:17]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: okc asks basic intelligence questions, such as "STALE is to STEAL as 89475 is to...?"	[01:18]
dub	surely you want clue < 0	[01:18]
Azelphur	and as the site allows you to see peoples answers to questions, I can just do db queries and filter all those people out xD	[01:18]
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mircea_popescu	ok, but i mean... filtering out retards != selecting for positive clue	[01:19]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: hey, I didn't say it was much of a clue.	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	what you need is access to the inbox of a few hundred of the hotter women,	[01:20]
punkman	I	[01:20]
punkman	O	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	take all the messages guys sent them over a decade	[01:20]
punkman	oops	[01:20]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: hahaha	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	make a beautiful soup of that	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	then send it to your prospects, see who answers	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	select the rest.	[01:20]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: so basically, "u wan sum fuk?" xD	[01:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu missed an 'invert' operator in there	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform noididn't.avi Azelphur it's actually quite patternable.	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	it's a good read, i recommend it.	[01:21]
asciilifeform	the women probably have a bayesian spamzapper. you want to slip past, not end up inside.	[01:21]
Azelphur	I see	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform identitty is cheap.	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	i wonder how many twentysomething owners of moderately successful sm sites have so far selected the interractions of all the people that got laid on the site and hashtree'd it.	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	sorta like a "talking to womenz prosthetic"	[01:22]
Azelphur	haha	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	after all, the space of language is actually finite, and besides, what are people who don't know each other gonna talk about.	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	5, maybe 10 things.	[01:23]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: ever read oktrends? You'd like it I reckon.	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	nop	[01:23]
Azelphur	they perform various statistical analysis on their entire db	[01:23]
Azelphur	and draw all sorts of hilariously insulting conclusions	[01:23]
Azelphur	such as religious people have lower literacy levels	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	"The official blog of OkCupid.com. Shows trends and insights into it's online dating network."	[01:23]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it's still no thermonuke. eventually you have to dance in the flesh.	[01:23]
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mircea_popescu	o look, the official ca'nt sp'eal.	[01:24]
Azelphur	hehe	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	am i do'ing it ri'ght ?	[01:24]
Azelphur	needs more apostrophe.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that's what rohypnol is for.	[01:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: robert sheckley had a story ('50s) about a 'dating agency' that would tell you exactly what to do, through a hidden earphone. fellow puts it on, and gets really bored, because it turns out they also sell to the gurlz	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform was it "The Cyrano de Bergerac Memorial Dating Agency" ?	[01:25]
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asciilifeform	lol	[01:25]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, that's what the fuck us media does, anyway. buncha retarded kids who can't touch each other growing up, sitting around reading cracked and jezbel to figure out what to say to each other	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	"The basic currency of the Internet is human ignorance, and, frankly, our database holds a strong cash position!"	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	o ok Azelphur , i like them nao.	[01:28]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: hahaha, I knew you would :P	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	"Okay, if you want to know... Will my date have sex on the first date? Ask... » Do you like the taste of beer? Because... Among all our casual topics, whether someone likes the taste of beer is the single best predictor of if he or she has sex on the first date."	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	ok i fucking don't like them anymore.	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	to imagine the genders are idempotent in this line... holy shit.	[01:29]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: why not? I thought that question was particularly hilarious	[01:30]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'the average number of legs a customer has is...'	[01:30]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: they don't imagine, they have the data to back up that it's fairly equal?	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	if you think a buncha fratbros being in denial about how shitty budlight is makes a good predictor for whether maryjane in sorority rush is likely to fuck you right now...	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	dude srsly. what data do they have showing it's equal, fairly or otherwise ?	[01:31]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: because they ask users 1) Would you consider sleeping with someone on a first date, 2) What sex are you, 3) Do you like the taste of beer?	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	"Sadly, this is the only question with a meaningful correlation for women. For men there are a few others" << now i like them again.	[01:31]
Azelphur	given the answer to all 3, you have an answer xD	[01:31]
Azelphur	haha	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	dude i'm having an on again / off again relationship with okcupid and it's official bl'og.	[01:32]
Azelphur	xD	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	Azelphur you ever seen control ?	[01:32]
Azelphur	nope	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	it's a pretty decent film, bio of ian curtis.	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	i imagine you'd like it.	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	Q: Could you imagine yourself killing someone? << fuck me! this actually is to my knowledge the best predictor there is.	[01:34]
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mircea_popescu	seems they not only figured this out, but also have a slightly better one. nuclear attack in certain light ?	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	impressive.	[01:34]
Azelphur	hehe	[01:34]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/nJCH867F yay, 40% of people within 25 miles of me are plonkers.	[01:35]
assbot	[SQL] sqlite> SELECT count(*) FROM questions WHERE question LIKE "%STALE is to STEAL%" - Pastebin.com	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	o.O ?!	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	isn't that too fucking much ?	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	;;ud plonkers	[01:37]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=plonker \| the term plonker started out as a reference to someone who was forever drunk on cheap wine (cheap wine is nicknamed plonk) this person was usualy a ...	[01:37]
Azelphur	nope, 145 users within 25 miles as me, 69 of them answered the question, 28 of them got it right	[01:37]
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Azelphur	and amusingly I derped my statistic, so I myself am a plonker, it's 60% of people within 25 miles of me are plonkers.	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	If you want to know... Do my date and I have the same politics? Ask him or her... » Do you prefer the people in your life to be simple or complex? Because... http://akcdn.okccdn.com/blog/first_date_questions/SimplicityComplexity.png	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	well now that's weird. i guess i'm 2:1 a liberal ?	[01:38]
ThickAsThieves	of the type of person that would fill out okcupid profiles	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	oh.	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	drat.	[01:40]
Azelphur	ThickAsThieves: well yea, true	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves do you have one ?	[01:40]
ThickAsThieves	not since like before facebook	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	http://akcdn.okccdn.com/blog/first_date_questions/MegaChart2.png << religion correlates with poor spelling and reading comprehension	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	for all religions not in (atheist, agnostic)	[01:41]
ThickAsThieves	buddhism transcends	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	mostly because a buncha cali fags and assorted antrepreneurs think it's chick.	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	chic*	[01:42]
ThickAsThieves	i met a smart yoga guy once	[01:42]
ThickAsThieves	actually no	[01:43]
ThickAsThieves	i didnt	[01:43]
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mircea_popescu	davout http://akcdn.okccdn.com/blog/10charts/Frenchmen.png << it's official. they got the datas.	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i think yoga and budhism are different.	[01:44]
ThickAsThieves	so they say	[01:44]
ThickAsThieves	Secret, one of the many anonymous social networks that’s risen to prominence over the past six months, today announced a $25 million Series B round led by Index Ventures.	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	http://akcdn.okccdn.com/blog/10charts/AchievingWomenPurple.png this goes straight into my older http://trilema.com/2011/erotoghid-pentru-femeia-adulta/	[01:45]
assbot	Erotoghid pentru femeia adulta pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[01:45]
ThickAsThieves	would a true buddhist have an okcupid profile?	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	;;google erotoghid	[01:45]
gribble	Fucking, a guide. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; I Suspect There Is More To This World, or A Story Of The ... - Trilema: ; Februarie 2011 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.:	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	bizarre.	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves why not ?	[01:46]
ThickAsThieves	takes women 20yrs to learn to orgasm?	[01:46]
ThickAsThieves	well buddhism is about removing desire, and, well, everything, no?	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	no ?	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	i think that's boreism.	[01:47]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	and i think women just about need 20 years to learn to orgasm, yes.	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	course you can cut that to six weeks iykwyd.	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	http://akcdn.okccdn.com/blog/10charts/VegetariansBright.png << dude srsly, that drastic ?!	[01:48]
ThickAsThieves	no comment	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	i don't know that many women that don't like sucking cock.	[01:49]
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mircea_popescu	certainly more guys who (at least pretend) not to.	[01:50]
ThickAsThieves	where is the "Odds Someone Enjoys Getting Oral Sex?"	[01:50]
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ThickAsThieves	then we can learn the puritanism factor	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	Frequent tweeters have shorter real-life relationships than everyone else, probably via some bit.ly hack. Unfortunately, we have no way to tell who's dumping who here; whether the twitterati are more annoying or just more flighty than everyone else.	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	i have an idea, just deliver add medicine with the whale.	[01:52]
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mircea_popescu	and holy shit year and a half average relationships ?! what the fuck sense does that make, it's the uncanny valley of relationships. either a few good fucks for a coupla weeks or else years, who does this middle of the road bs ?	[01:53]
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nubbins`	dudes who don't wanna deal with the 5 minutes of awkwardness it takes to break up with someone they're not really interested in	[01:54]
nubbins`	it's a thing, srsly	[01:54]
nubbins`	what else do you expect from a generation that deals with problems by ignoring them	[01:55]
dub	lol	[01:56]
dub	liek global warming?	[01:56]
nubbins`	well no, that's the previous generation	[01:56]
*	nubbins` thinks	[01:57]
nubbins`	this one too, though	[01:57]
benkay	this one realizes that there's nothing to be done subconsciously about physics.	[01:57]
benkay	feelings, though, are legislatable.	[01:57]
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benkay	(generations, i mean)	[01:58]
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nubbins`	http://imgur.com/a/S8cJz	[01:59]
assbot	Game Camera on Deer Gut Pile - Imgur	[01:59]
nubbins`	benkay: what's a war on drugs but a legislated range of feelings?	[01:59]
nubbins`	:D	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	dub people deal with the problem of global warming by giving the bums involved more money to do more "research"	[01:59]
nubbins`	http://www.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/comments/2aokbz/guys_get_erections_every_morning_right_the/	[02:00]
assbot	Guys get erections every morning, right? The concept of "morning" varies depending on where you live, with the "morning line" basically spinning around the earth infinitely, right? So does that mean that humanity has been doing a "boner wave" around the earth for hundreds of thousands of years? : Showerthoughts	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	im bashing that nubbins line	[02:01]
nubbins`	er which?	[02:01]
nubbins`	i have so many quotable quips that it's hard to keep track	[02:01]
benkay	nubbins`: no way man that's rent-seeking.	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	pretty cool eagles.	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` the range o' feelings.	[02:02]
nubbins`	ah ah	[02:02]
nubbins`	srsly tho. war on unauthorized mental states	[02:02]
nubbins`	imagine such a thing	[02:03]
mike_c	oh man. bash is improving. there is some funny shit in there.	[02:03]
benkay	flip it	[02:03]
benkay	it's not a 'war' on anything.	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	mike_c ikr!	[02:03]
benkay	it's an outlawing of things to make work for the rent-seekers.	[02:03]
benkay	this employs head-knockers and jail-lockers.	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	benkay no, it's not a war. the way i see it, to keep a police force going you gotta give it some niggers to pick on.	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	otherwise, it becomes too expensive.	[02:03]
benkay	those exist anyways, man.	[02:04]
mike_c	i generally am disappointed when ninjashogun gets upped, but he is a gold mine.	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	and since the actual niggers are rioting... they moived to fags. those also rioted in the 50s	[02:04]
nubbins`	mike_c +1	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	so now it's pedos and bongheads	[02:04]
nubbins`	potheads don't riot	[02:04]
benkay	a reasonably sized constabulary could be had if its mandate were reasonable.	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	exactly. perfect fodder.	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	then again, that's what they said about fags, too. look into stonewall inn.	[02:04]
nubbins`	benkay: sounds like here	[02:04]
benkay	it's a massive constabulary though, and needs a massive mandate to keep it fat and busy.	[02:04]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu, v familiar	[02:04]
nubbins`	nobody riots until they do	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	benkay no, it could not. because you oculdn't motivate anyone to join it.	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	just like you can't have a sane corpus of teachers.	[02:05]
nubbins`	teaching and police work are for the daft or the dangerous	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	if you can give them someone to shitface, then you can get the dangerous to be useful.	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	it all rests on this major question.	[02:05]
benkay	but must we have so many constables?	[02:06]
nubbins`	not initially	[02:06]
nubbins`	but once the ranks swell	[02:06]
nubbins`	it's harder to squeeze the dead air back out	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	benkay i kinda like being able to ask for directions.	[02:07]
benkay	what, you don't talk to regular humans for things like that?	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	also, idiots tend to think nothing they can't see exists. best way to keep compton in line is keeping cars on patrol.	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	they see a cop, the underdevelop part of their brain that regulates behaviour gets a jolt.	[02:07]
benkay	lol o compton's in line?	[02:07]
nubbins`	best way to keep this grease fire under control is to only let a little bit of oxygen at it	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	benkay sure. they got a gdp and everything.	[02:08]
benkay	so does mexico.	[02:08]
benkay	so does the usg, for that matter.	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=195 << this made laugh a 2nd time	[02:09]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets bash	[02:09]
benkay	why not send robocop cars around?	[02:09]
benkay	all that part of the brain needs is the black and white, not the human behind the wheel.	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	im not so sure.	[02:09]
nubbins`	yeah	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	what was the film with that retard cop	[02:10]
nubbins`	haha i laughed at that one too	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	ends up involved with some cokehead, sister of tom cruise who's a total dudebro	[02:10]
nubbins`	BUT MOSTLY I'M A BITCOINER	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	a yes, magnolia. ever seen magnolia benkay ?	[02:10]
nubbins`	wait, she wasn't tom cruise's sister	[02:11]
nubbins`	in that movie	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	yah i got confused.	[02:11]
nubbins`	re: the retard cop (john c reilly), he's done some really bizarre comedy	[02:12]
nubbins`	like, really fucked	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	anyway. retarded cop, gets out of car, has interraction with rapper 12 yo black kid	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	that's the thing.	[02:12]
nubbins`	yeah	[02:12]
nubbins`	same kid that eventually finds his gun?	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[02:12]
nubbins`	nod	[02:12]
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nubbins`	i was actually impressed by how much of a douchebag tom cruise's character was in that movie	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i confess when i hear someone's a rapper, that kid is what i think about.	[02:13]
nubbins`	hahah	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	much like when i hear smeone's an entrepreneur, what i think about are the poor egyptian kids in luxor.	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	huddled around two 386 hooked into a dialup modem (cca 2004!), at the Luxor Center For Businessmen.	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	(dirt floors)	[02:13]
nubbins`	when i hear someone's a rapper, i think of reggie watts ;(	[02:13]
nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdHK_r9RXTc	[02:13]
assbot	Reggie Watts disorients you in the most entertaining way - YouTube	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	jesus what a promising thing ted was, and what a smoldering shitpile it turned into.	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	all this because they refused to implement anti-inclusiveness, hierarchy, closedness, etc.	[02:15]
nubbins`	^ that video starts with the guy taking the piss out of every TED presenter ever	[02:15]
benkay	holy hell	[02:15]
benkay	lady v's father is going to burning man	[02:15]
nubbins`	it's pretty rich	[02:15]
benkay	a yes, magnolia. ever seen magnolia benkay ? // no sir	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	well it's a shitty movie, but i guess it makes this particular sidepoint well.	[02:16]
benkay	no but srsly the foxnews conservative gentleman is going to burning man	[02:16]
benkay	it must be over	[02:16]
benkay	what, 160k this year?	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	benkay it was over in 2007/2008	[02:17]
benkay	what, that recently?	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	pre-that, 80%+ of the chicks i knew states-side went	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	that year... like 1/3	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	maybe i'm biased cause age.	[02:17]
benkay	it's always over this year.	[02:17]
benkay	it's got it's own eternal september thing	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	now that may also be.	[02:18]
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mircea_popescu	maybe your father in law is considering it's unfair you shoulda got the vixen, and wants to get a replacement.	[02:18]
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benkay	yeah, sr. lady v's marbles are a bit scattered	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	"honey, i love you very much, but i just can't live without twentysomething yo cunt in the house"	[02:19]
benkay	i did cart her off to burning man and then demanded a dowry so you may be on to something there	[02:19]
benkay	(eternal september is also a poor joke about the dates of the thing in question)	[02:20]
benkay	hey last night i learned that gates sr, jr, and warran buffet indulged in an orgy while floating through some famously beautiful chinese water thing	[02:21]
benkay	warren*	[02:21]
danielpbarron	i think magnolia is a shaggy dog story	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	agreed	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	how long were you saving that expression ?	[02:22]
danielpbarron	which can be good.. but often aren't	[02:23]
danielpbarron	yeah no kidding; that one doesn't come up often	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	benkay what, with each other ?	[02:23]
benkay	details were...scant.	[02:23]
benkay	but who says they were the only ones, eh?	[02:23]
benkay	more reasonable assumption is a bevy of local sluts.	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	did this have anything to do with giving away money for forwarding omething ?	[02:24]
ThickAsThieves	<+mircea_popescu> well it's a shitty movie, but i guess it makes this particular sidepoint well. /// everyone ive ever shown the movie too agrees with you, but it has this lingering impression	[02:24]
BingoBoingo	Forward this email to X people and old fucks invade your house for an orgy?	[02:24]
ThickAsThieves	probly just the direction	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo truth@lemonparty.org	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves imo it's mr. bookman that saves it.	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	also the fact they try so hard to re-do QT it's almost lulzy	[02:25]
BingoBoingo	I'm a lemon party truther. Lemon party is an Obama scheme to keep McCain out of the White House.	[02:27]
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danielpbarron	good shaggy dog story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3JzMuvlMZM	[02:29]
assbot	A Real Shaggy Dog Story - YouTube	[02:29]
BingoBoingo	%t	[02:31]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 210 Ask: 278 Last Price: 210 24h-Vol: 1k High: 221 Low: 210 VWAP: 215	[02:31]
BingoBoingo	%ob	[02:31]
atcbot	45k@282 722@279 30k@278 \| 249k@210 45k@201 117k@200	[02:31]
BingoBoingo	%d	[02:31]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 785138.67 Est. Next Diff: 521760.25 in 767 blocks (#40320) Est. % Change: -33.55	[02:31]
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benkay	BingoBoingo: 420 was an inside jihad	[02:38]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.1851 = 1.1106 BTC [-] {2}	[02:47]
nubbins`	;;google 420 carl sagan blaze it	[02:49]
gribble	420 Blaze It \| Know Your Meme: ; An atheist fell 420 feet into a mountain crevasse. Thankfully he got it ...: ; Is Awesome GIFs on Giphy:	[02:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.1851 = 0.5553 BTC [-]	[02:50]
thestringpuller	there needs to be a recruitahoodrat.com	[02:53]
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thestringpuller	to /msg BingoBoingo ugh restaraunts. the sucky thing abouy finding good restaurants you have to go through the shitty ones first	[02:54]
thestringpuller	wow fone typing	[02:55]
thestringpuller	lol	[02:55]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: there you go, I'm now oktrends, sort of. http://blog.azelphur.com/node/297	[02:57]
assbot	Okcupid shenanigans: General intelligence questions \| Azelphur's Blog.	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	lol cool.	[02:58]
kakobrekla	wait werent you with some coder chick that was not after your money ?	[03:00]
Azelphur	kakobrekla: breakup a few months ago now :P	[03:00]
kakobrekla	so she was after the money ?	[03:00]
Azelphur	nah, never asked and never got	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	ok so, mpex report : the servers are built and racked. they have power. os installed. networking isn't working properly, clustering software being hammered into shape.	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	Azelphur you know nubbins can make you that shirt.	[03:03]
Azelphur	fun :)	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla she was after the big ding dongs.	[03:03]
kakobrekla	possibly.	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	skinny is deprecating ?!	[03:06]
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mircea_popescu	ahahahaah okcupid blog links their competitor as sausageparty.com	[03:10]
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benkay	the joys of private ownership.	[03:12]
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mircea_popescu	ikr?	[03:14]
benkay	when does it make sense to do a public offering? as in - why would i ever do that?	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	would you fuck a stranger ?	[03:16]
mthreat	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ht9VZ9RB_w	[03:20]
assbot	When you fuck a stranger in the ass - YouTube	[03:20]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[03:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.18699994 = 0.935 BTC [+] {2}	[03:24]
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benkay	but if i make a profitable thing, why list it on mpex?	[04:15]
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peterl	benkay: if you need more capital to grow, then you IPO to get an influx of cash	[04:21]
peterl	or if you want hookers and blow now instead of waiting patiently for your money?	[04:23]
benkay	but mike doesn't need capital	[04:24]
benkay	nor kakobrekla	[04:24]
benkay	(mike_c, that is)	[04:24]
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benkay	is it a generous donation to the ecosystem? "here i made this thing and by my grace you can partake of its profits"?	[04:25]
mike_c	WoL does need capital. hence the loan from mpif	[04:25]
benkay	i clearly don't understand WoL in dpeth.	[04:25]
mike_c	join the club. i'm working on that.	[04:26]
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peterl	you are saying there is nothing you could do with more money?	[04:27]
benkay	what does WoL need more capital for? seeding pots?	[04:28]
mike_c	minigames are bets against the house	[04:28]
benkay	rgr	[04:28]
peterl	so it is acting as a casino?	[04:28]
ThickAsThieves	of course not!	[04:28]
mike_c	don't be silly	[04:29]
mike_c	more like a cryptocurrency playground	[04:29]
ThickAsThieves	like a chuck e cheese	[04:29]
peterl	cryptocurrency casino?	[04:29]
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mike_c	^ like TaT said. put your tokens in, get little tickets.	[04:29]
mike_c	redeem tickets for stuffed animals.	[04:30]
peterl	ah, no chance of getting money back?	[04:30]
mike_c	"money". you can get bitcoin back.	[04:30]
ThickAsThieves	blowstamps	[04:30]
mike_c	the irs explicitly said bitcoin isn't money	[04:31]
ThickAsThieves	well...	[04:31]
ThickAsThieves	irs doesnt get to decide	[04:31]
peterl	but bitcoin is what you put in	[04:31]
mike_c	bitcoin is what you put in. bitcoin is what you get out.	[04:31]
mike_c	or Altcoin!	[04:31]
peterl	so it looks like a casino	[04:31]
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mike_c	i think of it more as a playground.	[04:32]
peterl	and what are the buildings in vegas if not playgrounds too?	[04:32]
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mike_c	WoL doesn't have any magicians	[04:33]
peterl	why not? that would make it more fun!	[04:34]
mike_c	it's true. i'll put it on the list	[04:34]
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benkay	you are saying there is nothing you could do with more money? // riddle me this - what does bitbet do with the money?	[04:40]
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peterl	I dunno exactly? Seed bets, buy advertising, maintain servers?	[04:41]
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benkay	i wonder what kind of load bitbet supports.	[04:45]
benkay	hey kakobrekla can you clue us into the traffic bitbet's pushing?	[04:46]
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mike_c	bitbet does nothing with the money. it's a zac	[04:46]
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decimation	asciilifeform: re: 8-cat brigade: http://www.baltimoresun.com/explore/howard/news/ph-ll-cats-stray-20110706,0,6849157.story	[04:49]
assbot	Number of stray cats on the rise in Laurel and Prince George's County - baltimoresun.com	[04:49]
benkay	so then we come back to my question - why would an an0 company list publically?	[04:49]
mike_c	liquidity for the owners is a big reason	[04:49]
decimation	"According to Volack, most of the stray and wild cats in the city are usually spotted in backyards, and she sometimes gets resistance when she tries to trap the cats. "I've been trying my hardest to capture the strays and feral cats and kittens, but I have just as many people who don't want me to trap them as those who do.""	[04:49]
mike_c	and you mean zac	[04:49]
benkay	right, yes i do	[04:49]
mike_c	an0 = asset non-zero	[04:49]
benkay	so there's the answer i'm looking for - liquidity for the owners.	[04:51]
mike_c	that is one answer. another might have to do with mp's desire to build an ecosystem. but i'll leave that answer to him.	[04:51]
benkay	is it a generous donation to the ecosystem? "here i made this thing and by my grace you can partake of its profits"?	[04:52]
benkay	hey i'm learning	[04:53]
benkay	slowly, but...	[04:53]
mike_c	you are making me answer for him, which i am not qualified to do. but I would guess two things. 1) yes 2) mayhaps some people benefit from advancing the ecosystem.	[04:53]
benkay	the old "adoption" thing.	[04:54]
benkay	apologies, i didnt mean to imply that i was re-asking the question, more that i'd already guessed that was a reason.	[04:54]
peterl	benkay: so there's the answer i'm looking for - liquidity for the owners. << as I said, they want their hookers and blow now	[04:55]
decimation	I think there's a pent-up demand for bitcoin income	[04:56]
mike_c	why does bitcoin price go up? "adoption" seems a poor answer to me. to me it is because the value of the whole system actually increases. perhaps part of that value increase is due to having a more vibrant financial ecosystem.	[04:56]
decimation	seems to me that if you think you can grow your company with more investment, you find investors to grow it	[04:56]
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decimation	lol http://www.abcbirds.org/newsandreports/releases/121121.html "Ear-tipped cats are feral cats that have been trapped, neutered, and then re-released. "	[05:00]
assbot	Prince Georges County Council Ignores Slaughter of Wildlife – Chooses Protection of Feral Cats	[05:00]
decimation	don't forget about the cats! they need equality too!	[05:01]
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mike_c	ok testers, WoL just shipped websockets for the minigames.	[05:01]
mike_c	so plz find the bugs.	[05:02]
mike_c	;;later tell punkman you can lose your money faster now. minigames have websockets.	[05:02]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[05:02]
mike_c	and direct opera bugs to /dev/null (just kidding kako)	[05:03]
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mircea_popescu	!up chairforce1	[05:14]
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mircea_popescu	but if i make a profitable thing, why list it on mpex? << nobody's holding a gun to your head no ?	[05:15]
chairforce1	cool thanks	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	yw. who are you ?	[05:17]
benkay	but if i make a profitable thing, why list it on mpex? << nobody's holding a gun to your head no ? // clearly. but why did bitbet list?	[05:18]
chairforce1	just a guy who likes bitcoin	[05:18]
benkay	!s chairforce1	[05:18]
assbot	102 results for 'chairforce1' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=chairforce1	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	what srsly	[05:18]
chairforce1	there thats me	[05:18]
benkay	old man	[05:18]
benkay	memory going ;)	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	seems so.	[05:19]
benkay	those three days up in a row	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	why the existential q's anyway ?	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	it's like "why get married", "why make friends", "why eat a steak" or w/e.	[05:21]
benkay	what, listing on mpex tastes good?	[05:22]
benkay	it does, no q, but is that the sole roi?	[05:22]
benkay	mostly 'cause i'm a derpy young thing trying to not. lose. money.	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	existential questions are fundamentally broken because things that exist exist in an infinity of ways, whereas things that are represented are represented in a finite manner.	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	the existential question either exploits or bumbles into this fundamental problem. it can never have an actual answer,	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	much like you can't be delivered the notion of pear or the sadness of joseph.	[05:23]
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benkay	well, you'll note the particular questions sprinkled in there.	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	i thought those were answered.	[05:25]
benkay	like - why did bitbet?	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	but in general : a listed company has some advantages, and some disadvantages. let's look into it.	[05:26]
mthreat	one reason to take investment, even if you could fund it out of your own pocket, is to offset risk from yourself to investors.	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	Capital : a listed company has more capital, and more ready access to capital.	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	Networking : for one thing, your investors are your best pr.	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	Scoring : you get to know how good you're doing, as a manger.	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	these also work together, like n+s : more people are paying attention, so it works like open source for your accounting, for instance.	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	it also has some disadvantages, such as a loss of control, or association with another party or whatever.	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	supposedly mpex manages to mitigate the drawbacks while supercharging the advnatages,	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	but this is really like the discussion of whether bitcoin or network difficulty are too high or too low or w/e.	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	a more practical approach is to look at "why do people get into the wot ?" and go from there. why do people finish highschool ? why do people go on to college ? should everyone with a hs diploma strive to go to college ? etc.	[05:30]
mike_c	mp also has a theory that listing prevents competition because they can just invest in you instead of building a copy.	[05:31]
benkay	very educational. thank you all.	[05:31]
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mircea_popescu	this is in fact correct. if someone wants exposure to x market, with a company in x market listed his options are "invest or roll your own"	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	but without, his options are "roll your own". which is in fact often inefficient.	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	so yes, it IS a gift to the community. just, not in the sense you'd think. it's the sort of gift you're not at a loss for giving, like sharing music.	[05:32]
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benkay	one'd only roll their own if the existing solution were such crap that it could easily be beat in the market.	[05:33]
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mircea_popescu	or if they need it.	[05:33]
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mircea_popescu	you know ? if you want to make whatsapp and there's no phone carrier, now what ?	[05:34]
decimation	it seems to me that there's a pent-up demand for income for those who are holders of bitcoin	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	decimation experience shows that approach is not only theoretically naive, but also actually leads to failure.	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	this okcupid stuff is a goldmine. "Another inquiry that had unexpected results: we asked 252,900 straight people have you ever had a sexual encounter with someone of the same sex?". men : 7% did and enjoyed it ; 6% did and didn't enjoy it ; 5% didn't but would like to try. women : 26% did and enjoy it ; 7% didn't enjoy it ; 18% would like to try it.	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	no mention of age, but I am ready to take a bet that your average highschool today is half-bi, half bi-curious gals.	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/gaystraight/HeatMap.png << also canada has been renamed gaynada nao.	[05:39]
decimation	I guess I was thinking of reasons why "the public" would bother to invest in a publically available stock.	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	you mean what, fiat ? or small btc holders ?	[05:41]
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thestringpuller	what's that a heat map of?	[05:42]
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mircea_popescu	gayness.	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	red is most gay.	[05:42]
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mircea_popescu	( http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/gay-sex-vs-straight-sex/ sauce)	[05:43]
assbot	Gay Sex vs. Straight Sex « OkTrends	[05:43]
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danielpbarron	there are no gays in mexico apparently	[05:43]
decimation	small btc holders, looking for income	[05:43]
danielpbarron	they must have the same policy as iran	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/gaystraight/WhichIsBiggerCredit.png << womenz are smarts.	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron this is false, i personally had drinks with a bunch of openly gay people there.	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	o lol you went by map. i think they just didn't fill it in	[05:44]
danielpbarron	hehe	[05:44]
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decimation	!up chairforce1	[05:45]
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mircea_popescu	wtf is "the l word"	[05:47]
danielpbarron	the show or the word? either way it's about lesbians	[05:48]
decimation	probably this http://www.sho.com/sho/the-l-word/home	[05:48]
assbot	Showtime : The L Word : Home	[05:48]
danielpbarron	it's basically porn but with much more dialog	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	oh i c	[05:49]
chairforce1	thanks decimation	[05:49]
asciilifeform	from the lolfarms: http://cryptome.org/2014/07/nsa-jtrigall-intercept-14-0714.pdf	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	We selected 526,000 OkCupid users at random and divided them into groups by their (self-stated) race. We then took all these people's profile essays (280 million words in total!) << ok this makes me fucking curious.	[05:50]
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asciilifeform	^ tldr: massive catalogue of usg... spam tools.	[05:53]
decimation	ultimately the usg depends on "likes" in the polling booth, right?	[05:54]
asciilifeform	the 'ddos mpex' script is probably in there.	[05:54]
asciilifeform	'swamp donkey' << lol! apparently a usg version of 'cryptolocker'	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	decimation how ?	[05:56]
decimation	well, I'm thinking of "likes" of its foreign policy	[05:56]
asciilifeform	'quincy... exploitation of seized media' << another mega-lol	[05:57]
asciilifeform	'nevis... is a tool developed by NTAC to search disk images for possible Encryption products. CMA have further developed this tool to look for signs of Steganography'	[05:58]
asciilifeform	this reminds me of a story	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	is it good ?	[05:59]
decimation	I wonder why usg & hmg bother to pay "spies" to ... secretly watch ebay auctions	[06:00]
asciilifeform	one of my first job interviews out of uni. telephone. a fellow from one of the giant gov. contractors was really intrigued that i know x86 asm., have reversed crud for money. i ask him 'what's the job'. he: automated reversing. me: of what. he: ever hear of karatsuba's algo? me: sure. bignum mult. him: well, we wanna find encryption softs on terrorist drives!	[06:00]
asciilifeform	me: why would terrorist run ms-win. he: they will always, trust me.	[06:00]
asciilifeform	so now we see that these (likely same, but usg never commissions just one turd of a particular variety) idiots did indeed crap out something like a $1B version of 'ida hexray.'	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	lol	[06:04]
asciilifeform	this is the most riotously funny nsa turd yet.	[06:05]
asciilifeform	bar none.	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	enjoyment is the mind killer.	[06:05]
chairforce1	im out, thanks for the ups	[06:05]
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decimation	asciilifeform: http://norvig.com/python-lisp.html < educational for a python programmer like me	[06:12]
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mircea_popescu	now you broke it	[06:14]
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mircea_popescu	wellcome back, everyone.	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	so! as previously noted, 500k okcupid users produced 280 mn words. i just counted : trilema stands at 11457879 words (published articles only).	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	I AM 4% OF OKCUPID BY MYSELF	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	and in other news, http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/camera/PerformanceByCameraModel.png	[06:22]
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decimation	well, I suspect that "bias" probably has to do with professional photo staging, light, etc	[06:23]
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mircea_popescu	either that or someone who's scrounged together 1k to buy a dslr is probably also someone who's heard that you don't want to take pictures against the sun.	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	"Finally, statistical proof that iPhone users aren't just getting fucked by Apple: http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/camera/SexAndSmartPhones.png	[06:25]
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decimation	yeah I agree. it's interesting that the panasonic 4/3rds is so popular	[06:27]
decimation	given that it isn't a real slr	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	tbh, it's probably one very talented / dedicated subgroup throwing it.	[06:28]
mircea_popescu	say a woman somewhere that's wicked with any cam took her shittier cam to her yoga class, took pics of all the 57 women there.	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	suddenly a lot of hot and bothered, sweaty broads are getting married left and right,	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	and okcupid thinks it's the panasonic.	[06:29]
decimation	yeah it's a good "semi-pro" camera that would be easy to carry around etc	[06:29]
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decimation	zipf's law at work I suppose http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipf%27s_law	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	not to mention the more obvious "pansonic gave cams to okcupid staff"	[06:30]
decimation	someone's gotta be the "superuser"	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/lies/MaleHeightDistribution.png <<	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	the internet makes men slightly taller.	[06:32]
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mircea_popescu	(incidentally, "the liar's mound" is how you identify a group is a buncha liars. not proper gauss mound, but this oblique thing)	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	oblique always towards the desired quality, and incline usually indicative.	[06:33]
decimation	heh yeah you can almost see a "second peak"	[06:33]
decimation	the "dishonest distribution" is about 2 inches taller	[06:34]
decimation	I wonder if the iphone sex thing has to do with the demographics of iphones vs. androids	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	they say "all 30 yos"	[06:37]
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mircea_popescu	http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/lies/MaleMessageDistributionByIncomeBright.png << poor men over 25 are fucked	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	i mean... not fuckled.	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	hm. well , you get teh idea.	[06:40]
decimation	http://www.nbcnews.com/id/19374216/ns/health-sexual_health/t/new-survey-tells-how-much-sex-were-having/#.U8SipNMhfM1	[06:40]
decimation	"Black men and women were more likely to report having 15 or more partners in a lifetime (46 percent and 13 percent, respectively) than other racial or ethnic groups."	[06:40]
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mircea_popescu	yeah. this has absolutely no cultural driver whatsoever.	[06:42]
decimation	indeed, it clearly has a cultural driver	[06:43]
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mircea_popescu	i can almost see poor urban black guy "trying to make it in this game" telling all about his virginity.	[06:45]
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decimation	http://www.amazon.com/Coming-Apart-State-America-1960-2010/dp/030745343X	[06:49]
decimation	"Murray meticulously chronicles and measures the emergence of two wholly distinct classes: a new upper class, first identified in The Bell Curve as "the cognitive elite," and a new "lower class," which he is too polite to give a name. And he vividly localizes his argument by imagining two emblematic communities: Belmont, where everyone has at least one college degree, and Fishtown, where no one has any. (Read: Tonyville and Trashtown.	[06:49]
decimation	)	[06:49]
decimation	The key point is that the four great social trends of the past half-century--the decline of marriage, of the work ethic, of respect for the law and of religious observance--have affected Fishtown much more than Belmont. As a consequence, the traditional bonds of civil society have atrophied in Fishtown. And that, Murray concludes, is why people there are so very unhappy--and dysfunctional."	[06:49]
decimation	or as you have put it, the masses have become "ungovernable"	[06:50]
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mircea_popescu	no moar opium for the masses doesn't make for that much happier masses.	[06:51]
decimation	yeah, much to the surprise of "old republicans", tearing down every authority and "leveling" the entire landscape of human relations leads to disaster	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	well, "every".	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	obviously you can only tear down shit less powerful than you.	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	very easy for a "high minded" fucktarded rich girl to go to the servants quarters and ruin their peace and quiet.	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	if she tries the same in her grandfather's study, she's getting a bare bottom spanking, 28 or no 28, college degree or no college degree, suitors in attendance or no suitors in attendance.	[06:55]
asciilifeform	log broke.	[06:55]
decimation	good point	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla can we has assbot back plz kthz	[06:56]
decimation	eventually though the masses "vote" grandfather out of power, or he dies and leaves a legacy of mediocrity	[06:57]
decimation	it ends up being a mud-wrestling match - the "winners" are the ones who avoid playing	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	nah	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	the winner is the psychopath next door. he rapes the girl, forces the servants into slavery, has fun for a little while.	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	after which he gets slain by a future grandfather, and all is well again.	[06:58]
decimation	heh good point. who is the barbarian?	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	!s cable guy	[07:00]
decimation	no assbot :(	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	tsk	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2014#747488	[07:00]
decimation	it seems to me that the "right-wing" routes to power have been permantly closed in the us	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	why, has it reached a permanently elevated plateau ?	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	has it globally warmed into being structurally different from the rest of the earth ?	[07:03]
decimation	yeah, I guess I am asserting the end-of-history like the nutty marxists	[07:03]
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mircea_popescu	which you know, is fine and all. history will end you :)	[07:05]
decimation	when ascii's sewer pumps stop pumping... all things will suddenly become possible	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	the hypothetical 28 yo high minded retard also has, you know, no interest in men, and so it's impossible for her to ...	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	wait, barefoot and pregnant ? and nobody asked her anything ?! BUT HOW!!1	[07:06]
decimation	I was reading about the french revolution the other day. the marxists would like people to think it's all about the peasants, but really it is about the middle class trying to make it into the nobility	[07:09]
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decimation	and the various nobles who think that overturning all the authorities will profit the masses	[07:09]
decimation	sounds very familiar...	[07:09]
decimation	nobody expects napoleon until napoleon is suddenly inevitable...	[07:10]
mircea_popescu	i think that's a very anachronistic read.	[07:11]
decimation	I find it very difficult to interpet the past in other than the lens of the present, although I do try	[07:12]
mircea_popescu	the fundamental driver of the french revolution was the identity issue. specifically : christianity was propelled for two millenia by the simple proposition that there exists a man in the sky who has your number. thus you are not what you may seem, an anon member of the hordes of this earth, but a person.	[07:12]
mircea_popescu	the french revolution consisted of the proposition that this may in fact be brought from the sky right on earth.	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	and it drove a coupla centuries of socialist heresy.	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	same ideas made mao interesting to the chinese peasan tthat made lenin interesting to the soviet that made napoleon interesting to the dragoon.	[07:14]
decimation	to be clear, Christian doctrine teaches that you are a person in God's eyes, not in the eyes of anyone on the planet. One can imagine the political advantages of a distortion of this teaching though	[07:14]
mircea_popescu	which is why the gulag is a tool of maintaining the soviet republic, not a tool of hurting it.	[07:14]
mircea_popescu	decimation it's just progression at work.	[07:14]
decimation	well, Christianity has been distorted for political gain since roman times	[07:15]
mircea_popescu	christianity is a political movement. what else ?	[07:16]
mircea_popescu	it's also the model for all ulterior political movements, in the west.	[07:17]
danielpbarron	that's not an unfair way to put it though; God does have all of our "numbers," and I can see how many would let this go to their head	[07:17]
decimation	well, Christianity also is a transmission mechanism for truth-claims about the metaphysical	[07:18]
benkay	decimation: what were you reading?	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	what';s that mean ?	[07:18]
decimation	Jesus existed, said things, promised heaven for His believers	[07:19]
decimation	benkay I was "reading" this guy's podcast: http://www.revolutionspodcast.com/2014/07/31-the-three-estates-.html	[07:20]
mircea_popescu	so did sabbatai	[07:20]
benkay	ah neat	[07:20]
mircea_popescu	actually, i would propose sabbatai zevi is an excellent model for jesus, just, among better educated peoples.	[07:21]
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decimation	so the gulag is where you put "non-persons", so the masses can feel like they are "persons"?	[07:25]
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mircea_popescu	nope	[07:27]
mircea_popescu	the gulag is the place where the heat of personship is felt most strongly, by they who self-identify as strongest	[07:27]
mircea_popescu	to convince the masses of their own personhood	[07:27]
mircea_popescu	the people there are serving the regime more than the people outside.	[07:28]
decimation	Like Lev Rubin?	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	which is why the regime bothers with the guards and whatnot.	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	in his own way.	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	consider : the gestapo received tens of thousands of various informations each day, that they could never process, and usualy didn' tbother to store. why, this ?	[07:29]
mircea_popescu	people wanting to exist, for someone to care.	[07:29]
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decimation	Yeah I guess violaters of article 58 of the RSFSR penal code were in general people who were able to articulate an opinion about something	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	in the entire century of soviet domination, men took their wives, tied them in the forest and left them there for the wolves what, a dozen times ? yet spouse informed on spouse milions of times.	[07:30]
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mircea_popescu	obviously the theory that these are in any way similar is running into some practical difficulties.	[07:31]
mircea_popescu	the people just wanted to, you know, give the gift of identity.	[07:31]
decimation	"he's not a nobody... he's an enemy of the people!"	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	right ?	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	what more of a somebody could you be, in stalingrad ?	[07:32]
decimation	(I'm not a nobody either because I married a somebody)	[07:32]
decimation	well, you could be born to parents high in the party	[07:33]
decimation	otherwise, not so much	[07:33]
benkay	semi-relevant: http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2014/07/11/smeared-richard-feynman/	[07:33]
benkay	("who smeared richard feynman?")	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	even that wouldn't work. it'd be shameful, like being rich at the burning man.	[07:33]
benkay	lol i can tell you've never been	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	the best thing to be is raped, not rich.	[07:33]
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mircea_popescu	benkay this is a theoretical discussion :D	[07:34]
decimation	and so the deer lays down in front of the hunter	[07:34]
benkay	being rich at burning man conveys the same privilege that being rich conveys anywhere.	[07:34]
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benkay	but what is this "best thing to be is raped, not rich."?	[07:35]
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benkay	rich get stakes, the raped still walk (or limp)?	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	benkay try this. pick two similar girls, tell one about how rich you are, tell the other about how you survived cancer. see which you bed.	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	odds are, the first one will want to know how much you're spedning on fighting cancer , the second whether you want help with the rent.	[07:36]
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benkay	so true	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	benkay mind, i'm not saying it doesn't work. obviously given a choice, soviet girl of 1955 would rather marry the had of the youth organisation than the guy being tried for wrecking.	[07:40]
benkay	i stand corrected on all fronts	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	but this is not the whole story. if she'd rub one off, it'd prolly not be to her husband.	[07:40]
benkay	no no but this is why those hideous stinky fuckers get so much stench	[07:40]
benkay	er	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	lol	[07:40]
benkay	tail	[07:40]
benkay	but sure, stench. why not.	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	this suggests a wunderbar pick-up line	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	guy smells like cunt. girl wants to know why does he not wash ? he protests that he can't wash more than once or maybe twice a day, but the cunt just keeps piling on him.	[07:41]
benkay	mhhhhm.	[07:43]
benkay	i'll let you know...	[07:43]
mircea_popescu	so Mary Louise Bell smeared feynman ? how is this news.	[07:43]
benkay	"semi-relevant". not news.	[07:44]
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mircea_popescu	by all accounts woman was insufferable.	[07:47]
decimation	what's amusing is that she apparently takes Eisenhower to be an "anti-Communist"	[07:51]
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decimation	when he was hand-picked by FDR	[07:51]
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mircea_popescu	anti-russian.	[07:51]
benkay	is the moldbuggian view that communism is an american disease carry water here?	[07:53]
benkay	does*	[07:53]
decimation	it does with me	[07:53]
benkay	(sorry, context switching with deploy scripts)	[07:53]
benkay	what about a jewish disease?	[07:53]
benkay	notrly a moldbug thing to the best of my knowledge, but common among the frothy crazies at large	[07:54]
decimation	I don't get the jewish thing	[07:54]
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decimation	Thinking about it though, I would call communism an english disease	[07:55]
mircea_popescu	like syphilis, copied from the french	[07:55]
decimation	see the diggers during the english revolution	[07:55]
mircea_popescu	but whoever has it thinks himself special for it.	[07:55]
decimation	really, America is the final settlement of the english revolution	[07:56]
benkay	modern jews are really big on tikun olam.	[07:56]
benkay	perhaps they're just infected as well?	[07:56]
mircea_popescu	jewish millenarism is, again, older than dirt.	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/older_lover/Male-Match-Prefs.png	[08:02]
mircea_popescu	check out the flat tops	[08:02]
mircea_popescu	35, 40, 45	[08:02]
mircea_popescu	50 last call.	[08:02]
decimation	heh there are indeed "sticky" points	[08:03]
mircea_popescu	This second chart also contains something very peculiar that we didn't see at all in men. Notice the vertical stripes at ages 20 and 29. These color discontinuities indicate dramatic changes in a woman's dating mentality: when a women turns 20 she decides it's okay to message significantly older men (i.e. the upper reaches of the chart suddenly become less red). At 29, a woman becomes even more open to older men and, i	[08:05]
mircea_popescu	n addition, stops writing the youngest ones. The typical 28 year-old women sends a small but significant number of messages to men too young to drink. The typical 29 year-old sends practically none.	[08:05]
decimation	heh at 29 the eggs start feeling a little ripe	[08:06]
mircea_popescu	I made these calculations in the chart below, and we can see that women have more pursuers than men until age 26, but thereafter a man can expect many more potential dates than a woman of the same age.	[08:06]
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mircea_popescu	" It’s also worth pointing out that cattle outnumber women 26:1 in Wyoming."	[08:17]
mircea_popescu	dude this guy's comments... ahahah	[08:17]
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decimation	asciilifeform : if C is a kazoo, and lisp is a poor stradavarius, does that make python ... an out-of-tune banjo?	[08:25]
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benkay	;;later tell decimation asciilifeform : if C is a kazoo, and lisp is a poor stradavarius, does that make python ... an out-of-tune banjo? // if you could only pluck one string at a time, maybe :D	[08:31]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[08:31]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves lol @ all the forum dorks, "o i am surprised altcoin still exists"	[08:58]
mircea_popescu	little do they know...	[08:58]
mircea_popescu	!up msnaughtykitty	[08:58]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla hey! assbot ?	[08:58]
mircea_popescu	now i gotta talk to camhos in private. where's the world ended up ;/	[09:01]
BingoBoingo	lol	[09:01]
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[]bot	Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin volatility to exceed $300 USD in July" http://bitbet.us/bet/982/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 36(Y):64(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.39431948 BTC. Current weight: 12,452.	[09:26]
BingoBoingo	So, where's these forumites derping on Altcoin? Don't see it in the lawgz.	[09:26]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo altcoin thread. wasn't in logs,	[09:27]
mircea_popescu	i just ended up following links from war of life	[09:27]
BingoBoingo	Ah	[09:27]
BingoBoingo	It's amazing what happens when someone makes an altcoin with the premise "Altcoin is too good of a joke to let it die."	[09:28]
mircea_popescu	it's amazing how little impact the opinions and expectations of the poor actually carry in a world backed by strong currency.	[09:29]
mircea_popescu	look at that, death is getting positively hammered.	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	5718/4282 now. back from like 6k	[09:31]
BingoBoingo	Oh, death hasn't had a bomb since 217	[09:33]
mircea_popescu	look at the big bombs.	[09:34]
mircea_popescu	life 6, death 1	[09:34]
BingoBoingo	I'm wondering if the year 125 bet scared off would be death bombers	[09:36]
mircea_popescu	msnaughtykitty this is the channel.	[09:38]
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BingoBoingo	%t	[09:55]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 210 Ask: 278 Last Price: 210 24h-Vol: 1k High: 210 Low: 210 VWAP: 210	[09:56]
BingoBoingo	%ob	[09:56]
atcbot	45k@282 722@279 30k@278 \| 249k@210 200k@202 45k@201	[09:56]
BingoBoingo	%d	[09:57]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 785138.67 Est. Next Diff: 514407.31 in 752 blocks (#40320) Est. % Change: -34.48	[09:57]
BingoBoingo	%tslb	[09:57]
atcbot	13 minutes and 1 seconds	[09:57]
mircea_popescu	laters all.	[10:01]
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pankkake	https://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/001510.html	[16:36]
danielpbarron	The site's security certificate is not trusted!	[16:37]
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pankkake	it is for me ;) it's CACert	[16:38]
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dub	Security Top Tips	[16:43]
danielpbarron	assbot is down?? thanks obama!	[16:43]
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dub	assbot taken out by obama's global warming machine	[16:43]
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danielpbarron	yay!!	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[16:53]
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mircea_popescu	!up fluffypony	[16:54]
-assbot-	Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu, !up yourself on PM first.	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	lol	[16:54]
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pankkake	!up fluffypony	[16:54]
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fluffypony	tks	[16:54]
fluffypony	still need to eauth	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony so not that terribly interesting, the sort of "i've done google research from the us" article.	[16:55]
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fluffypony	I can't even remember which article it was	[16:55]
fluffypony	slow brain day	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	http://www.singularityisnear.co/bitcoins/bitcoin-industry-thrives-in-argentina	[16:56]
assbot	Bitcoin industry thrives in Argentina. "A new safe haven". - Singularityisnear	[16:56]
fluffypony	ah yes	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	dumb shit like "counting sites" and doing site per million inhabitants comparisons	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	as if that fucking makes any difference.	[16:56]
fluffypony	heh heh	[16:57]
fluffypony	Internet marketing types :-P	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	http://btcclicks.com/ads << look at these fuckwits jesus god.	[16:59]
assbot	Surf Advertisements \| BTC Clicks \| Earn Bitcoins - Bitcoin Advertising - Bitcoin PTC	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	so a) they advertise in google, paying top dollar (1st result)	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	b) they run the dumbass iframe model	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	c) their publishers include luminaries such as "fair ponzi"	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	d) they... actually... run A DIFFERENT AD NETWORK in their dash.	[17:00]
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bitcoinpete	https://twitter.com/alansilbert/status/489059224349978624	[17:58]
bitcoinpete	"@jgarzik Jeff, is there a dumbed-down explanation somewhere of how to set up a node?"	[17:58]
danielpbarron	dummies shouldn't run nodes	[18:00]
bitcoinpete	just linked him pankkake's article on running a remote one	[18:01]
pankkake	I should test it before :p	[18:01]
pankkake	I'm not sure debian runs it by default	[18:02]
bitcoinpete	lol	[18:02]
bitcoinpete	hurry! before the veecees break something!	[18:02]
bitcoinpete	dood already fav'd my tweet!	[18:03]
bitcoinpete	lol bitstein told alan silbert to download the core client and… run it.	[18:04]
bitcoinpete	alan's all: "Thanks Michael. Now I feel really dumb to have not found that easier. Thx!"	[18:05]
fluffypony	yeah	[18:06]
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bitcoinpete	so mr fluffypony when can we look forward to reading your tales of baltic adventures?	[18:09]
pankkake	is that the guy who bought all the coins?	[18:09]
pankkake	quick, send him some forum IPOs	[18:09]
fluffypony	bitcoinpete: this week, hopefully, been insanely busy	[18:09]
bitcoinpete	fluffypony: what's keeping you occupied?	[18:10]
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bitcoinpete	pankkake: the silberts tried to buy the sr coins and… failed	[18:11]
bitcoinpete	tim draper took 'em all down	[18:11]
bitcoinpete	heya bitstein	[18:11]
bitcoinpete	we were just mentioning you vis-a-vis silbert's node	[18:11]
fluffypony	bitcoinpete: had lots of catch-up work to do, missed a group exco meeting whilst I was away	[18:12]
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fluffypony	and then we're tendering for a sales office on an estate on the Garden Route that has tons of holiday homes for rent	[18:12]
bitstein	hey bitcoinpete	[18:12]
fluffypony	so there's a ton of work on that to finalise before the 25th	[18:13]
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bitcoinpete	fluffypony: a i c	[18:14]
bitcoinpete	bitstein: what's good?	[18:15]
bitcoinpete	"With apologies to both F. Scott Fitzgerald and Ernest Hemingway, it seems the rich are not only different than you and me; they also have even more money than we previously thought." << que bueno!	[18:15]
bitstein	started the homestretch of school yesterday	[18:15]
bitcoinpete	http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-07-15/the-rich-are-even-richer	[18:16]
assbot	The Rich Are Even Richer - Bloomberg View	[18:16]
bitcoinpete	bitstein: atta boy	[18:16]
bitstein	yourself?	[18:17]
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bitcoinpete	can't complain really	[18:18]
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bitcoinpete	"BRICS -- are due to approve the creation of a new currency reserve fund and development bank at their summit in Brazil, which starts today."	[18:20]
bitcoinpete	fluffypony: get them to use bitcoin ;)	[18:21]
fluffypony	that's the idea ;)	[18:21]
bitcoinpete	brazil is having all the funz this summer	[18:22]
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nubbins`	got this email from our t-shirt supplier today	[18:25]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/WO0zFLb	[18:25]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[18:26]
nubbins`	HEY GUYS HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON A GIRL	[18:26]
nubbins`	SO YOU CAN SHOW YOUR CUSTOMERS	[18:26]
fluffypony	hah hah	[18:29]
fluffypony	"skunk and her gay best friend"	[18:29]
fluffypony	skank	[18:29]
fluffypony	or maybe skunk	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	!up non2	[18:30]
-assbot-	Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu, !up yourself on PM first.	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	!up bitstein	[18:30]
-assbot-	Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu, !up yourself on PM first.	[18:30]
nubbins`	seriously, what am i supposed to do with that image	[18:30]
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mircea_popescu	!up non2	[18:31]
-assbot-	You voiced non2 for 30 minutes.	[18:31]
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bitcoinpete	nubbins`: add them to the20year's posters?	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` that girl doesn't eat does she.	[18:32]
bitstein	mircea_popescu: I found you extending the highest praise to me and my crew just days before I joined #b-a: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2014#644307	[18:32]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[18:32]
nubbins`	maybe she eats t-shirts	[18:33]
nubbins`	same style shirt, different company:	[18:33]
nubbins`	http://i.americanapparel.net/storefront/photos/zoom/serve.asp?media=bb453w_White_KellyGreen.jpg&r=us1	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	bitstein reading the log pays huh	[18:34]
ThickAsThieves	tshirt companies are all about teh sex now huh	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	what exactly is the point of tshirts aside from easy access to tits ?	[18:34]
nubbins`	gildan is still pretty corny	[18:34]
nubbins`	mp, they're so comfy ;(	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	wifebeaters are comfier no ?	[18:36]
nubbins`	nah, ribbed plus seams are bigger	[18:36]
nubbins`	a nice soft t-shirt is like being draped in jersey-knit bedsheets	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	uh	[18:37]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: but womenz hate wifebeaters	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	they do ?!	[18:37]
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mircea_popescu	maybe if they have small boobs and ugly tattoos	[18:37]
bitcoinpete	the clothing more than the type of dood	[18:37]
nubbins`	they're pretty greasy	[18:37]
bitcoinpete	men love the airy pits	[18:38]
bitcoinpete	women just… don't grok	[18:38]
nubbins`	well, the problem is that men who wear them are generally slobs	[18:38]
nubbins`	and nobody wants to see a slob's gross yellow armpits	[18:39]
bitcoinpete	the slob angle is a point	[18:39]
bitcoinpete	it's no 3-piece	[18:39]
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nubbins`	take a well-kempt person in one, and sure. looks fine. but then, most things do	[18:40]
nubbins`	(well-kempt!)	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	mein kempt!	[18:40]
nubbins`	lel	[18:40]
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nubbins`	ah, google has added btc to their currency converter	[18:43]
nubbins`	;;google 1btc in cad	[18:43]
gribble	Convert Bitcoins (BTC) and Canadian Dollars (CAD): Currency ...: ; CAD - Preev: ; Bitcoin Exchange Rate - $670.15 CAD - bitcoinexchangerate.org:	[18:43]
nubbins`	wait, right, doesn't work like that	[18:43]
bitcoinpete	they're saying 673	[18:44]
bitcoinpete	neat	[18:44]
nubbins`	anyway. wonder where they're getting their prices from	[18:44]
fluffypony	;;google convert 1 btc to zar	[18:44]
gribble	Bitcoin to South African Rand Rate — Bitcoin Live Converter — Preev: ; Bitcoin Exchange Rate - 6663.292 ZAR - bitcoinexchangerate.org: ; 1 Bitcoin to South African Rand, 1 BTC to ZAR Currency Converter:	[18:44]
nubbins`	you gotta actually type it into google.com ;(	[18:44]
fluffypony	yeah	[18:44]
fluffypony	sucks	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	1 Bitcoin equals 666 Canadian Dollar	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	omg end of daez	[18:45]
nubbins`	https://www.google.ca/#q=1btc+in+zar	[18:45]
assbot	Google	[18:45]
bitcoinpete	heh google doesn't even do that for gold	[18:46]
bitcoinpete	what is bitcoin, money nao?	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin is cool.	[18:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 300 @ 0.00272161 = 0.8165 BTC [-] {10}	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	so do we have any adwords specialists in our midst ?	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/07/15/portugal-bes-rioforte-idUKL6N0PQ41920140715	[18:51]
assbot	Rioforte prepares to file for creditor protection\| Reuters	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	portugal is so gutted...	[18:52]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.0026513 = 2.6513 BTC [-] {9}	[18:53]
nubbins`	http://youtu.be/0gKWfvd-chA?t=2m39s	[18:55]
assbot	EHX Reggie Watts explores the new 45000 multi-track looping recorder - YouTube	[18:55]
nubbins`	amazing	[18:55]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[18:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 40 @ 0.01659994 = 0.664 BTC [-] {4}	[18:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.79080888 BTC to 12`347 shares, 14504 satoshi per share	[18:59]
ThickAsThieves	<@mircea_popescu> so do we have any adwords specialists in our midst ? /// I've notable experience, if not somewhat dated	[19:00]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 2.99981269 BTC to 152`507 shares, 1967 satoshi per share	[19:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 19.36579792 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1684 satoshi per share	[19:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 46 @ 0.01679889 = 0.7727 BTC [+] {2}	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/greenpolitics/10965887/People-who-claim-to-worry-about-climate-change-use-more-electricity.html	[19:04]
assbot	People who claim to worry about climate change use more electricity - Telegraph	[19:04]
kakobrekla	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/15/vagina-selfie-for-3d-printers-lands-japanese-artist-in-trouble	[19:06]
assbot	Vagina selfie for 3D printers lands Japanese artist in trouble \| World news \| theguardian.com	[19:06]
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danielpbarron	obviously they use more electricity! they can't use coal or gas!	[19:06]
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danielpbarron	how do i make a tounge-in-cheek emoticon?	[19:07]
nubbins`	try using a lower-case p	[19:07]
ThickAsThieves	japanese poon is upside down	[19:07]
ThickAsThieves	?	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	depends	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	if she;s being fingertrapped, not usually.	[19:08]
pankkake	this matches the people I know - and not only electricity	[19:08]
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danielpbarron	lol she's got her "i'm making art" hat on	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	"Last month it took more than 20 firefighters to free a US student who had become trapped inside a giant sculpture of a vagina in Germany."	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	now we know how many muricans it takes to fill a cunt.	[19:10]
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mircea_popescu	http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-04/enhanced/webdr06/7/5/enhanced-buzz-wide-2242-1396863916-10.jpg	[19:16]
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BigBitz	mircea_popescu I thought you'd have a beard/shorter hair.	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	actually i do have a beard.	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u11gyD9cf5o check out these derps	[19:30]
assbot	PAX East 2011 Triple Threat: The Origin of Dudebro - YouTube	[19:30]
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ThickAsThieves	network broke 1 yottahash	[19:41]
ThickAsThieves	;;estimate	[19:41]
gribble	Next difficulty estimate \| 17567924696.2 based on data since last change \| 17552028821.8 based on data for last three days	[19:41]
ThickAsThieves	;;nethash	[19:41]
gribble	125644233.459	[19:41]
ThickAsThieves	;;estimate	[19:41]
gribble	Next difficulty estimate \| 17567924696.2 based on data since last change \| 17552028821.8 based on data for last three days	[19:41]
ThickAsThieves	oops	[19:41]
ThickAsThieves	;;bcstats	[19:41]
gribble	Current Blocks: 310863 \| Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 \| Next Difficulty In: 1616 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 3 hours, 28 minutes, and 33 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 17567924696.2 \| Estimated Percent Change: 1.33597	[19:41]
penguirker	New blog post: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/07/15/why-list-on-mpex/	[19:42]
ThickAsThieves	it's actually leveling off huh	[19:42]
bitcoinpete	seems to be	[19:42]
ThickAsThieves	bitcoins bout to get spensive	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	prolly.	[19:43]
bitcoinpete	how's that logic figure?	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	well miners already paid for their shit	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	they dont turn it off, they sell higher	[19:44]
bitcoinpete	a ok	[19:44]
ThickAsThieves	mining adds like what 3500 coins each day?	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 360024/51225	[19:44]
gribble	4218.75	[19:44]
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Xplosionist	;;calc 62425	[19:49]
gribble	3600	[19:49]
Xplosionist	mircea_popescu: Where did you get your numbers? I just did "6 per hour", which is of course only the theory, not the reality.	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	Xplosionist it's a joke. atc has 512 second blocks.	[19:49]
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Xplosionist	mircea_popescu: Okay. I just "didn't get it". ;-)	[19:50]
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mircea_popescu	!up Rassah	[19:52]
-assbot-	You voiced Rassah for 30 minutes.	[19:52]
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Rassah	Heard you guys were talking about us in here :)	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	so i am listening to this limp bizkit thing. is it like some sort of wannabe offspring, 20 years later ?	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	Rassah who's us ?	[19:52]
Rassah	Mycelium	[19:53]
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mircea_popescu	!s mycelium	[19:53]
assbot	23 results for 'mycelium' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mycelium	[19:53]
Rassah	specifically kickstarter projects, Entropy, etc.	[19:53]
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mircea_popescu	kickstarter projects are common lulz fuel here ya	[19:53]
Rassah	!s Entropy	[19:53]
assbot	168 results for 'Entropy' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=Entropy	[19:53]
bitcoinpete	so are "entropy generators"	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	that's prolly mostly the physical concept.	[19:54]
bitcoinpete	hey Rassah	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot Rassah	[19:54]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Rassah: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Rassah \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Rassah \| Rated since: Fri Jun 3 23:49:22 2011	[19:54]
Rassah	Hey bitcoinpete	[19:54]
ThickAsThieves	even newegg is bullish http://promotions.newegg.com/nepro/14-3631/images/imgs/hero1.jpg	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	;;rate Rassah 1 Old timer.	[19:54]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Rassah has been recorded.	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	Rassah you can self voice, pm assbot !up if id'd with gribble	[19:54]
bitcoinpete	Rassah: neat rating comment from theymos "Holds BTC for the forum."	[19:54]
Rassah	yes. I'm one of the 7 or so treasurers...	[19:55]
ThickAsThieves	Leprechauns exist!	[19:56]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.grimoireassemblyforge.com/dudebro2/site/ << apparently this is going to be a scroller.	[19:57]
assbot	Dudebro II	[19:57]
ThickAsThieves	http://imgur.com/a/Yhgvm	[19:57]
assbot	Bitcoin Graphics - Imgur	[19:57]
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rithm	7 treasurers!	[19:58]
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Rassah	Woah. I haven't authenticated in over a year. Shows how often I visit IRC :p	[19:59]
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ThickAsThieves	"Realcoin, therefore, represents an opportunity to speculate with fiat currency for the first time. If you have reason to believe its price will move for or against a digital currency on the market, now you can take advantage of that. "	[20:01]
fluffypony	ugh gross	[20:01]
ThickAsThieves	guys it will be so awesome to be able to speculate on digital currency!	[20:02]
Rassah	Although I support Realcoin, that statement is a bit... reduntant? Useless? Price moves for or against relative to something else, so instead of using Realcoin, you can just as easily use that something else...	[20:02]
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ThickAsThieves	why do you support it?	[20:03]
ThickAsThieves	what does it really bring to the table?	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	Rassah the statement is typical of a desperate play for relevancy coming out of the sort of idiots that imagine claims matter.	[20:03]
ThickAsThieves	a ripple alternative?	[20:03]
fluffypony	nothing	[20:03]
Rassah	A dollar that trades directly on the bitcoin blockchain, allowing for atomic exchanges between bicoin and dollar-value asset	[20:04]
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Rassah	I have doubts that banks and US reglators will allow it to happen though... but Brock does have some influence	[20:04]
ThickAsThieves	you mean exchange like already happen on Bitstamp etc?	[20:04]
ThickAsThieves	happens	[20:04]
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Rassah	No, I mean exchage that happens on #bitcoin-otc, but without need for escrow	[20:04]
ThickAsThieves	i put dollars in, i get bitstampdollars	[20:05]
ThickAsThieves	oh so you mean launderable dollars?	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	Rassah what do you mean "without the need for escrow" lol.	[20:05]
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Rassah	#bitcoin-otc: you send a promise of dollars, the seller escrows bitcoins. Dollars take time to get to the seller. Once they do, escrow releases coins to the buyer.	[20:06]
ThickAsThieves	so with escrow	[20:06]
Rassah	Realcoin: you agree to a trade with a bicoin sellet. You create a ransaction that trades one of the other. The trade is signed and happens at the same time	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	!up gabriel_laddel	[20:07]
-assbot-	You voiced gabriel_laddel for 30 minutes.	[20:07]
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mircea_popescu	it's nonsense on a fucking stick, bitcoin and fiat still have different hardness.	[20:07]
Rassah	sorry about missing keys and typos.	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	i can clawback any usd anywhere by simply sueing.	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	this is why people don't btc to paypal directly, and haven't, since 2011.	[20:07]
Rassah	How can you clawback digital currency?	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	the fact that B. Fucktard P. wasn't here in 2011, because he was too busy blowing 13year olds in back alleys	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	doesn't mean he's excused from reading the 2011 logs.	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	on the contrary : he has to read them twice.	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	Rassah fiat does not become "digital currency" just because you'd like it to.	[20:08]
ThickAsThieves	the logs are like chapters of the book they get punished to read in Anathem	[20:08]
Rassah	I'm assuming that cryptocurrency that exists on Mastercin is transfered with private key signatures, and is permanent and complete upon transfer, same as every other cryptocurrency. No chargebacks	[20:09]
ThickAsThieves	they gave you 6 chapters!?	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	Rassah how do i get my actual dollars ?	[20:09]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[20:09]
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Rassah	According to Brock, initially trough his own bank/exchange, and hopefully eventually through whatever banks support his system. So maybe yours. Since banks make money by charging fees to transfer money around, it may be difficult to convince them to add a system that lets them transfer their own dollars for little to no fee though	[20:10]
ThickAsThieves	the only difference between realcoin and bitstampdollar is you dont have to use bitstamp to trade it, but you still need realcoin to render those dollars eventually	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	Rassah so i sue his "bank/exchange", have its accounts locked.	[20:11]
Rassah	There's is another difference. Bitstant desn't have the resources, or even interest, in getting their Bitstamp dollars used by other banks	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	what happened to the "escrow" now ?	[20:11]
Rassah	*Bitstamp... >.<	[20:11]
ThickAsThieves	but what bank would ever want bitstampdollars?	[20:11]
Rassah	So, has it been long settled that we don't need a distributed exchange? I missed that memo...	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	Rassah you've missed a lot of things.	[20:12]
nubbins`	i like it when i tell people their artwork isn't big enough, and they just scale it up in photoshop	[20:12]
Rassah	ThickAsThieves: That's kind of my point too	[20:12]
danielpbarron	realcoin is not relevant in a post-fiat world; why even waste time on such a notion that only solves the "problem" of mass adoption	[20:12]
Rassah	From the way he described it, I think he only wants it to be a temporary stepping stone to make USD to BTC transition easer, and doesn't expect it to last very long	[20:13]
danielpbarron	if I think BTC is about to go down, I have local associates who would probably buy it off me today	[20:13]
ThickAsThieves	nubbins` http://www.ononesoftware.com/products/resize8/ I remember back in like 2001 using this to battle such idiocy	[20:13]
assbot	Perfect Resize 8 - onOne Software	[20:13]
ThickAsThieves	it took forever to process!	[20:13]
ThickAsThieves	uses fractals	[20:13]
Rassah	Mircea, care to fill me in on other thins I've missed? The "we don't need distributed xchanges ay more" is surprising considering MtGox died just 6 months ago, and BTC-e is questionable	[20:13]
danielpbarron	Rassah, right; my point exactly.. you can't force Bitcoin addoption; the common man will use Bitcoin when he is FORCED TO by the new economic reality	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla can bitbet search also have order by weight added ?	[20:14]
ThickAsThieves	rassah, you can't remove trust from the sytem, you can only move it to where you prefer	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	Rassah well, i linked you to the log. thing is, this right here is the hot core of btc. you will have to simply read the logs.	[20:15]
Rassah	ThickAsThieves: Trust in large regulated and audited body, supported by and in partnership with numerous banks > trust in some anonymous stranger on the internet	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	that'd be wrong, actually.	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	trust in government < any alternative < people < otc people.	[20:15]
Rassah	that's true too	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	there can't be a too in there.	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	they're contradictory.	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	the large audited regulated body === government.	[20:16]
Rassah	otc with 50+ ratings V.S. bank with licenses and audits? (http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=pirateat40)	[20:17]
princessnell	Rassah, this might help: http://theumlaut.com/2014/06/10/bitcoin-is-great-but-it-wont-fix-our-monkey-brains/	[20:17]
assbot	Bitcoin Is Great, But It Won’t Fix Our Monkey Brains \| The mlaut	[20:17]
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Rassah	I would trust an established banking institution more than an OTC trader with 2 or 3 ratings. I would trust an established OTC trader more than a bank	[20:18]
Rassah	it's not black and wite	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	this simply shows you're not well connected, and so mcdonalds level services (ie, bare minimum) are the best you see yourself aspiring to.	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	had you spend the past year or w/e cultivating irc, instead of wasting time on forums/skype/etc, you'd be in the position of lolling at the notion of a fiat bank.	[20:19]
Rassah	I'm pretty well connected. Just not on IRC :)	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	then you're not well connected.	[20:20]
Rassah	Most of the people I'm connected with don't have time for it.	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	this is just another way of saying they don't matter, you're aware.	[20:20]
Rassah	princessnell: love your nick btw	[20:20]
danielpbarron	Rassah, i think this is relevant http://trilema.com/2012/fact-of-the-matter-is-the-infrastructure-was-not-ready/	[20:20]
assbot	Fact of the matter is, the infrastructure was not ready pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[20:20]
ThickAsThieves	or that they are poor	[20:20]
Rassah	Oh. You're all millionaires here?...	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	some are billionaires.	[20:21]
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mircea_popescu	and we also got some camhos.	[20:21]
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*	danielpbarron is one of the elite few with > 1 BTC	[20:22]
ThickAsThieves	mycelium is doing well though, right?	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	i can't recall what that does.	[20:23]
ThickAsThieves	altwallet	[20:23]
ThickAsThieves	well	[20:23]
ThickAsThieves	bitcoin wallet	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	o.	[20:24]
ThickAsThieves	but yknow	[20:24]
ThickAsThieves	they did a trippy promo vid too	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	Rassah so whats the uvp there, convenience or something ?	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	!up chetty	[20:24]
-assbot-	You voiced chetty for 30 minutes.	[20:24]
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ThickAsThieves	"We help people and companies	[20:24]
ThickAsThieves	to store, transfer and exchange value.	[20:24]
ThickAsThieves	Seamlessly, without numerous middlemen cutting off a big chunk	[20:24]
ThickAsThieves	of our profits and savings. It's our money, let's keep it simple."	[20:24]
Rassah	uvp?	[20:24]
ThickAsThieves	says mycelium	[20:24]
chetty	hey, ty MP	[20:24]
ThickAsThieves	Bitcoincard, wasnt that a Gox thing?	[20:25]
ThickAsThieves	https://mycelium.com/	[20:25]
assbot	Home :: Mycelium	[20:25]
Rassah	Not at all	[20:25]
chetty	Oh. You're all millionaires here?... whats a millionaire? why is stuff being measured in dollars?	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	Rassah unique value proposition.	[20:25]
ThickAsThieves	i recall them having a credit card gizmo with buttons on it	[20:25]
ThickAsThieves	maybe it was justa 2fa	[20:25]
Rassah	Bitcoincard started as a mesh network based idea for a text messaging device. Then the gy who was developing it found out that it's perfect for a bitcoin wallet, ad switched directions, forming Mycelium	[20:26]
ThickAsThieves	chetty indeed!	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves o you actually tested this ?	[20:26]
ThickAsThieves	tested mycelium? i think i installed it somewhere	[20:26]
ThickAsThieves	havent really used it tho	[20:26]
Rassah	What's the UVP of what? Mycelium wallet?	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	Rassah so it's a half-implementation of bitcoin-qt, doing only the wallet part ?	[20:27]
ThickAsThieves	is bitcoincard shipped?	[20:27]
Rassah	Bitcoincard is credit card sized device, cheap, flexible, and uses 300meter range radio for communication	[20:27]
ThickAsThieves	https://mycelium.com/assets/img/bitcoincard.jpg	[20:27]
Rassah	No, we just got the prototypes in the office a few weeks ago	[20:27]
ThickAsThieves	asciilifeform will hack it for you	[20:28]
Rassah	First version of Bitcincard will just be a hardware wallet. Later version, once we get newer battery technology implemented (I think carbon?) it will do full mesh networking, meaning you'll be able to use Bitcoin without need for inernet, and if charged with solar, infrastructue of any kind	[20:28]
ThickAsThieves	though he may be bogged down shipping cardano	[20:28]
ThickAsThieves	mesh over what network?	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	well, mesh bitcoin wallet could be useful.	[20:29]
Rassah	mesh over it's own radio	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	uh.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	no bluetooth with other devices around ?	[20:30]
Rassah	No. Possibly RFID to send signed transactions out of the device	[20:30]
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mircea_popescu	that'll need a lot of saturation to be usable.	[20:30]
Rassah	Keep in mind, this thing, before it's laminated, is as thin as a piece of paper. Battery included. (and all flexible, including the display). Not much room or power for bluetoth	[20:31]
Rassah	yes, it will	[20:31]
ThickAsThieves	well considering we cant even mesh wifi	[20:31]
ThickAsThieves	...	[20:31]
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Rassah	I beieve the idea is to get merchants to use a "terminal" or sorts to use our cards with, which will provide some of the mesh. Once the cards are done, we'll probably also sell solar powered radio repeaters, with no screens or walet, which should make those dirt cheap too. Then you just glue them to tops of things	[20:32]
Rassah	For now the main product is the Android Wallet though. And that Entropy thing we're finishing up	[20:32]
ThickAsThieves	are you one of the angel-invested startups?	[20:33]
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Rassah	What? How so?	[20:34]
Rassah	Oh	[20:34]
ThickAsThieves	i just mean how lots of bitcoin biz are getting early investors and making coindesk about it	[20:34]
Rassah	No, the owner who came up with the Bitcoincard idea, and started Mycelium for bitcoin stuff, is some super-rich Russian dude	[20:35]
ThickAsThieves	cool, that war tanks guys?	[20:35]
Rassah	He's part investor in http://www.neftvodka.com/neftvodka/en/	[20:35]
assbot	This website is exclusively for people over 18 years of age. \| NEFT Vodka	[20:35]
ThickAsThieves	this is what i was thinking of http://na.wargaming.net/	[20:35]
assbot	Wargaming.net	[20:35]
Rassah	No, I'm prettu syre not	[20:36]
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ThickAsThieves	vodka in a barrel is acceptable	[20:36]
Rassah	Steel oil drum	[20:36]
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ThickAsThieves	neat	[20:36]
Rassah	We are raising money for Entropy through Indiegogo because this was an idea that our devs came up with, and wanted to get it done regardless of our owner's financial input.	[20:37]
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Rassah	He thinks if it won't make him a million ad get him a fancy sports car, it's not worth bothering with	[20:37]
ThickAsThieves	so he liked the idea, but not enough to fund it?	[20:37]
ThickAsThieves	heh	[20:37]
Rassah	but we think the idea is neat, chea, and worthwhile	[20:38]
Rassah	*cheap	[20:38]
ThickAsThieves	itll at least make reddit happy	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	yes, it will << to understand each other, we're talking millions of units in users hands before the 1st unit shipped becomes usable.	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	this means millions of units shipped the same day, launch day.	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	this is the sort of thing a megacorp a la sony can still botch.	[20:38]
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Rassah	yes, it will is reply to well, mesh bitcoin wallet could be useful.	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves rassah is chiefly famous for having been an early adopter, then having bought bitcoin out of some sort of a retirement fund w/o the so's permission, right before the climb to 8 or something like that. then sold out and well, one of the first people to pay their mortgage "because bitcoin".	[20:40]
Rassah	Mesh network wallet, whether it is made my us or someone else, will be very useful, especally in places where electricity and internet/cell phone is spotty or unreliable (most of the world?)	[20:40]
Rassah	Mircea, absolutely not. That's not me	[20:40]
ThickAsThieves	mp thx for background	[20:41]
ThickAsThieves	oh	[20:41]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[20:41]
ThickAsThieves	Rassah you can be like Tesla and make a big deal, say you are open-sourcing your mesh network tech	[20:41]
ThickAsThieves	let any device on the standard	[20:42]
ThickAsThieves	then you get your mesh	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	Rassah what, srsly ?	[20:42]
ThickAsThieves	make it talk to phones and such	[20:42]
ThickAsThieves	like mp said	[20:42]
Rassah	I was an early adopter, I bought bicoin usin my OWN retirement funds (i.e. money slated to go to IRA and savings every week ended up going into Bitcoin). Then I borrowed some more money from our HELOC to buy a $30k BLF miner, I never preordered, waiting for them to ship, by February 2013 they still didn't ship, so I sold those bitcins, paid off the HELOC, and bought this http://imgur.com/ZGjrh4e instead. I bought at $8, and sold	[20:44]
Rassah	at $22, thinking "bubble." I was wrong on that, but my car had 250,000+ miles on it and was almost dead, so shrug. I have never sold out any of my other coins. As far as anyone knows, I have lost them all in a boating accident, or when I accidentally dropped my USB stick into an airplane toilet and flushed it out over the Atlantic	[20:44]
assbot	Bitcoin Prius - Imgur	[20:44]
rithm	so mpex had a raid controller failure	[20:44]
Rassah	Paying my mortgage off with bitcoin would be very stupid, because mortgage rate is 4%, and bitcoin rate is ThroughTheMoon%	[20:44]
rithm	someone linked me to the blog and i read paranoia and/or a failed raid controller	[20:44]
rithm	maybe i skimmed	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	Rassah ah ok.	[20:45]
Rassah	And, btw, I was buying when it was $6, then $16, then $22, and then continued bying all the wa from $30 to $2.50, because I understood and believed in the syste	[20:45]
rithm	hi rassah	[20:45]
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jcpham	i hide	[20:45]
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Rassah	hi rithm	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	so how much btc was the prius ?	[20:45]
Rassah	hi jcpham	[20:46]
Rassah	Conveniently, the Prius was exactly 1,000BTC. Makes it easy to calculate it's present BTC value	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	rithm both, really.	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla see ? he got a 1k btc prius. beats your golf cart.	[20:46]
pankkake	eheh, twice kakobrekla's car!	[20:46]
Rassah	btw, the only people here I know are Mircea...	[20:46]
rithm	so clandestine three-letter agencies dumping the firewire, supermagnets, and a failed raid controller	[20:46]
danielpbarron	damn that's an expensive way to look like you care about the environment	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:47]
Rassah	I don't give a shit about the environment. I bought it to save money	[20:47]
kakobrekla	yes im a cheap bastard.	[20:47]
Rassah	which it does wonderfully	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	coulda bought 3 teslas, duct tape them together and just go everywhere and snub people	[20:47]
ThickAsThieves	i just got a prius as a hand-me-down	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	"see i r care about environment 3x more than you do"	[20:47]
rithm	oh are we having the conversation about "how x could be different if only i"	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	rithm less than a house still.	[20:48]
danielpbarron	i don't think a 1`000 BTC prius can ever get a ROI	[20:48]
rithm	that's time. anything you think you might have lost in currency conversion, it's really just time	[20:48]
rithm	if the 1000 btc were free?	[20:48]
ThickAsThieves	maybe he uses the money he saves on gas to buy more bitcoins	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	(for the newfags, this "less than a house" thing is a reference to a 2012 discussion re jcpham's investment in pirate. he had less thna a house, more than a car there)	[20:48]
Rassah	What I didn't know before is that Priuses have no transmissions, timing belts, or belts f any kind, and reqire practicaly no mainenance other than 10k mile oil changes and 100k brake pad and transaxle fluid changes. Everything else is electric... After $600+ expenses every 3 to 5 years on my Honda Civic, this is awesome. The 60mpg helps too	[20:49]
rithm	$7500 principal plus whatever zny interest pirate math was owed	[20:49]
rithm	mp speaks the truth	[20:49]
rithm	*zany	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	rithm so like... 498574389759347 btc ?	[20:49]
rithm	go away	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	i go away next week 7% more ?	[20:50]
kakobrekla	Rassah should have got a golf.	[20:50]
rithm	i'd have to dig up screenshots	[20:50]
rithm	1600btc and change	[20:50]
rithm	give or take	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	rithm right. plus interest.... 45096450968045 btc	[20:50]
Rassah	Plus I like driving a cell phone on wheels :D	[20:50]
rithm	it was a row in some mysql databse	[20:50]
rithm	it could be anything	[20:50]
rithm	it was not mine though	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	Rassah i just did the math, i spent more on camhos this month than your ho nda took every 5-6.	[20:51]
kakobrekla	is thats why you hide these days?	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla i think he just wants to sing these days.,	[20:51]
rithm	i like rithm more	[20:51]
Rassah	Oh, also got a 1,500 Watt inverter for it that can power quite a bit of my house. I can power that thing for about a week on a 10 gallon tank of gas. Conveient for camping, power outages, or GTOFing	[20:51]
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rithm	i delightfully detached from that now	[20:51]
rithm	that was years ago	[20:52]
rithm	why are we bringing up old shit	[20:52]
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mircea_popescu	Rassah 1.5 watt inverter is kinda low neh ? cause of inductive capacity, you can't really run a fridge ron it	[20:52]
rithm	Trendon stole my time from me	[20:52]
Rassah	Mircea, you are screwing up one of my bitcoin defences	[20:52]
rithm	and he's broke and he can't pay it back	[20:52]
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kakobrekla	i got 3kw for 500bux a couple of months ago	[20:52]
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Rassah	Trolls claim bitcoin is used for childporn, I point out that that's not true because no one pays for porn any more. Yet you do	[20:52]
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mircea_popescu	Rassah it's moar complex than that.	[20:53]
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mircea_popescu	i just buy souls.	[20:53]
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ThickAsThieves	theyre in love	[20:53]
pankkake	of course people pay for porn	[20:53]
rithm	well childporn is secret and hides	[20:53]
rithm	from what i hear	[20:53]
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Rassah	Not really	[20:53]
Rassah	from what I hear	[20:53]
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mircea_popescu	princessnell http://trilema.com/2014/i-wasnt-going-to-actually-post-this-but/	[20:53]
assbot	I wasn’t going to actually post this, but… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[20:53]
rithm	xvideos and pornhub have a terrible selection based on the search i just did for childporn	[20:53]
Rassah	Being on a tor site doesn't eally mea hiding, does it?	[20:54]
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danielpbarron	there is some creep in -otc that pays for a subscription to beastiality porn or something	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	rithm what is it, mostly brazil team ?	[20:54]
rithm	lololol	[20:54]
Rassah	*realy	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron is that the one with feminists ?	[20:54]
chetty	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/10968316/Germanys-plan-to-take-on-NSA-Block-eavesdroppers-with-classical-music-and-use-typewriters.html	[20:54]
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assbot	Germany's plan to take on NSA: Block eavesdroppers with classical music, and use typewriters - Telegraph	[20:54]
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Rassah	hmm... I wonder what it would take for LocalTrader to compete with bitcoin-otc?...	[20:54]
pankkake	danielpbarron: well custom or niche porn is definitely something people will always pay for	[20:55]
danielpbarron	mircea_popescu, idk; who is that? I'm talking about Wolf`	[20:55]
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pankkake	but still, it's not like pro porn production is slowing down, is it?	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	the people backing otc to move there. which won't happen really, because people don't move unless the platform fucks up majorily.	[20:55]
rithm	yeah that dude is fubar	[20:55]
rithm	`Wolf	[20:55]
Rassah	chetty: It's Germany. They would have a much better result if they blocked it with deathmetal	[20:55]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake it's not, mostly because the girls like to do it, the photogs like to do it, everyone likes to do it.	[20:55]
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mircea_popescu	but it's not really making money anymore.	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	chetty: It's Germany. They would have a much better result if they blocked it with deathmetal << WORD.	[20:55]
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rithm	the nicer your camera is, the quicker the clothes come off, but ymmv	[20:56]
penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/i-wasnt-going-to-actually-post-this-but/	[20:56]
pankkake	it makes enough	[20:56]
pankkake	and of course they like to do it	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	yeah well, shoe shining makes enough.	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/my-2-000-btc-is-all-gone.84054/ << o look, intel found it.	[20:57]
assbot	My 2,000 BTC is all gone :( \| Bitcointa.lk	[20:57]
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ThickAsThieves	nice	[20:59]
pankkake	there was (still is?) a porn kickstarter, but most of the things there were boring. the only one I voted for didn't go to funding stage	[21:00]
ThickAsThieves	mp doesnt think cats can love now, when was the last time you were hugged?	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	ironically i just peeled out of a hug to read this.	[21:01]
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ThickAsThieves	excellent	[21:01]
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mircea_popescu	this internet psychology thing may have some limitations.	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	but anyway. ever seen a cat sitting on its master's grave ?	[21:02]
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ThickAsThieves	not sure thats the measure of ability to love	[21:03]
pankkake	cats are psychopats	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves what measure you'd propose ?	[21:03]
ThickAsThieves	kinda loaded question i think	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[21:05]
ThickAsThieves	i suppose you could chemically test it	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	it can't be a loaded question. it gets immunity, because it's the strict followup to your protest.	[21:05]
ThickAsThieves	my protest is that you require notable mourning	[21:06]
ThickAsThieves	which i'm not sure is always required for love	[21:06]
ThickAsThieves	and i'm also pretty sure cats will mourn for their own	[21:06]
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Rassah	Ah, forgot about that one. Sorry, I was trolling the bitcoin trolls, and explaining things to any alphabet soup agencies that may be listening.	[21:09]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves does your position reduce to "cats love you too but you'll never know ?" cause i could argue the same of dildos.	[21:10]
Rassah	Oh, no wait. The 2,000 btc that was all gone was the BTC that went to pay for my Prius and pay off the HELOC. Sorry, got confused	[21:10]
Rassah	but I purposefully worded it in the OP as if I had lost it all	[21:11]
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kakobrekla	to throw off the FBI.	[21:11]
Rassah	Still reading "bitcoin-is-great-but-it-wont-fix-our-monkey-brains". Long ass article with lots of sie-links...	[21:11]
ThickAsThieves	no, more that cats express love in more limited way than humans do	[21:12]
ThickAsThieves	loved as a provider or protector or alpha etc	[21:12]
princessnell	mircea_popescu re: blog. US rebellion day was especially bleak this year. so many patriots in love with a system that despises and exploits them. defending the ghouls that have consumed and spit out their culture.	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	Rassah the author is this smart cookie.	[21:12]
princessnell	how do you do	[21:13]
Rassah	Not Andrea Castillo?	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[21:13]
pankkake	so gold diggers are in love?	[21:13]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake in a more limited way than sluts.	[21:13]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[21:13]
pankkake	sluts love the/your dick, at least	[21:14]
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ThickAsThieves	i think calling a cat a goldigger might be a tad off the mark	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	yeah, they don't really like to have to dig.	[21:14]
pankkake	mind you, I really like cats, and I wish I could have one	[21:15]
danielpbarron	http://i.imgur.com/q0ELQit.png	[21:15]
nubbins`	ThickAsThieves, crazy software. probably not as slow these days with the abundance of cheap ram	[21:18]
nubbins`	danielpbarron, it only takes 1btc to be elite these days? what the fuck does that make the rest of us?	[21:19]
nubbins`	also, i may have a lead on a poster job for a music festival ghostface killah is playing at	[21:20]
Rassah	So what kind of important, well connected, people who matter hang out on here?	[21:20]
nubbins`	trying not to get too excited ;0	[21:20]
danielpbarron	there can only ever be 21 million of such individuals; that's pretty elite vs 7 billion total population	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron nubbins` is canadian, he has no representation of people density.	[21:21]
Rassah	whom, if I had met, I'd be laughing at the notion of a fiat bank? (mind you, I hang out wth the likes of Kody Wilson and Amir Taki, too)	[21:21]
danielpbarron	ew	[21:21]
Rassah	I'm just wondering what the difference is between this IRC, and the Reddit/Skype/etc that's supposedly worse	[21:22]
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mircea_popescu	Rassah well, here's a point : reddit/skype/etc still wonder why atc is a thing.	[21:22]
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mircea_popescu	while everyone's tried to make altcoins and failed ever since forever.	[21:22]
Rassah	otc?	[21:22]
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mircea_popescu	atc.	[21:22]
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Rassah	I'm wondering what thing atc is	[21:23]
pankkake	why would you consider Altcoin a success?	[21:23]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake because its price graph looks exactly opposite of doge&the rest of the scamfarm ?	[21:23]
Rassah	atc? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Touch_of_Class_(band)	[21:23]
assbot	A Touch of Class (band) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[21:23]
pankkake	Anus Then Cunt	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	Rassah https://bitcointa.lk/threads/sha256-altcoin.250774/page-22	[21:24]
assbot	[SHA256] Altcoin \| Page 22 \| Bitcointa.lk	[21:24]
pankkake	atc's market cap is pretty small, there's no real over-valuation I suppose	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	you say this as if it were a bad thing.	[21:25]
pankkake	no, it's a good thing, but I wondered if you thought so too	[21:25]
kakobrekla	being dead is better than pretending of being alive :)	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	pankkake course i do.	[21:25]
pankkake	I don't think any altcoin should have a market cap >$10,000 or so	[21:25]
pankkake	well that clears something up	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla btw, i saw coffee and ciggarettes coupla days back. pretty good actually.	[21:25]
kakobrekla	is not bad.	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	pankkake twas clear tho, i had said so before, and dropped buncha other hints around it.	[21:26]
Rassah	I'm not sure if Altcoin is a joke or serious, reading is description...	[21:26]
Rassah	It sounds sarcastic	[21:26]
kakobrekla	serious joke.	[21:26]
ThickAsThieves	serious as a moustache	[21:27]
pankkake	Rassah: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-bernankoin-the-coin-not-evil-according-to-paul-krugman-dl-winqt-v1-3-now.213856/	[21:27]
assbot	[ANN] Bernankoin the Coin Not Evil according to Paul Krugman DL WINQT v1.3 NOW \| Bitcointa.lk	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves lulz of all time : chick put a magic marker winking eye next to her nipple and moustaches on both tits. not said a word.	[21:28]
Rassah	So I think "reddit/skype/etc still wonder why atc is a thing" should have been " reddit/skype/etc don't even know atc is a thing."	[21:28]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu did you see the Iggy Pop / Tom Waits bit in c&c?	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	Rassah there's a lot teh soft cloud of derps circling btc don't know about.	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` yup	[21:28]
nubbins`	rich stuff	[21:28]
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nubbins`	"...actually, just call me iggy" "so Jim..."	[21:29]
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mircea_popescu	!up jdoubleu	[21:29]
-assbot-	You voiced jdoubleu for 30 minutes.	[21:29]
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mircea_popescu	they suck at acting, too.	[21:29]
Rassah	So, I'm still confused I guess	[21:29]
nubbins`	waits is actually a pretty good actor. they were both hamming it up in that scene	[21:29]
nubbins`	he played the devil in that Dr Parnassus movie	[21:29]
Rassah	By the way, anyone going to be in Chicago this weekend?	[21:30]
ThickAsThieves	rassah wants to know why any of us really matter	[21:30]
nubbins`	i really matter because i'm moderately well-connected in the wot	[21:30]
Rassah	No I DOn't	[21:30]
ThickAsThieves	sry	[21:30]
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nubbins`	now, tbh, this only matters for some definitions of "matter"	[21:30]
ThickAsThieves	i'm confused about what you are confused about then	[21:30]
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mircea_popescu	Rassah you got autocomplete in your client right ?	[21:30]
Rassah	I want to know why Mircea claimed that people here are important, and people outside of here are not	[21:30]
Rassah	Mircea: I don't know	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	a, that's easy. because mircea is a rich bastard, and that means he can claim anything he fucking feels like, then make it so.	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	try it : type mir hit tab, see what happens.	[21:31]
ThickAsThieves	miragine war	[21:31]
Rassah	Specifically, what types of connections that you can make here, and why are they better than connection on Reddit/Skype/etc	[21:31]
Rassah	mir	[21:31]
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mircea_popescu	well that didn't work.	[21:32]
Rassah	n s	[21:32]
nubbins`	he said tab, not enter	[21:32]
ThickAsThieves	i did!	[21:32]
Rassah	mircea_popescu: oh	[21:32]
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mircea_popescu	tab is like enter...	[21:32]
Rassah	I was looking for any key	[21:32]
ThickAsThieves	there are connections on reddit?	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves taleb is on reddit.	[21:32]
Rassah	I have made a few, yes	[21:32]
nubbins`	it's not dissimilar to enter	[21:32]
princessnell	Rassah you'll get it when you keep coming back	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	btw, anyone got that saffron chick's youtube at the ready ?	[21:33]
nubbins`	wait, so taleb didn't take the bait from that really super cringey video you paid for?	[21:33]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[21:33]
Rassah	But will I ever see any of you in real life? Like, speaking of which, is anyone here going to Chicago?	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` nope :( he revenge-joined reddit instead.	[21:33]
nubbins`	bastard	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	hm whatr was it	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	$conference	[21:33]
nubbins`	gotta admit, i had to stop watching it	[21:33]
empyex	mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 9 months and 2 days. Estimated cost today: 2.11806614 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )	[21:33]
assbot	The conference, third edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[21:33]
ThickAsThieves	rassah, i go to the amsterdam conferences, otherwise we go to mp's conference	[21:33]
nubbins`	hey, i'll be in amsterdam soon	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves the funny thing is... you promised liveblog. then blog. then it fizzled. then fluffypony went to some derpference, promised liveblog. then blog. then it fizzled.	[21:34]
Rassah	I was at the Amsterdam one on September	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	im starting to think like there's no content to be had or something	[21:34]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I did Twitter instead of liveblog because of lack of stuff to talk about live	[21:34]
ThickAsThieves	i have like 20 draft articles	[21:34]
ThickAsThieves	just hooked on trading lately	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony well yeah but sadly i killed andreas, so... i got nuttin'.	[21:35]
fluffypony	lol	[21:35]
Rassah	ThickAsThieves: If Amsterdam, do you know Moe Levin?	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` srsly, why are they so cringe-y ?	[21:36]
ThickAsThieves	i do not know him personally	[21:36]
ThickAsThieves	i know who you mena though	[21:36]
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nubbins`	mp i'm not sure, i guess generally people with a lack of social skills both end up cringey and spending a lot of time at the computer	[21:36]
nubbins`	add tits, and voila	[21:36]
nubbins`	cringey camgirls	[21:37]
nubbins`	seriously, the fifth word out of her mouth was "fantastical"	[21:37]
nubbins`	and she was talking about an intelligent person's brain	[21:37]
Rassah	ThickAsThieves: Damn. I'm wondering if the tightly woven net of connections here is in any way linked with the tightly woven net of connections I am involved with outside of here...	[21:37]
pankkake	shorter vids would have been better I think	[21:37]
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mircea_popescu	Rassah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yrlh3E_qu4 << there. how does htis look to you ?	[21:37]
assbot	Mission: #bitcoin-assets - YouTube	[21:37]
pankkake	as there wasn't much to say, so it ends up being weird	[21:37]
ThickAsThieves	Rassah, not by me	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	pankkake i did take it from 5 to 3. how short!	[21:38]
ThickAsThieves	i probly annoyed people you know at one time or another, but im not connected to em	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	but maybe we should actually write scripts for the girls.	[21:38]
Rassah	mircea_popescu: finally finished your article. Nothing I disagree with. Much of that is discussed in private by some of the attendees, who otherwise put on a faux public face	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	Rassah faux public faces eh ? myeah.	[21:38]
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Rassah	you don't tak about assassination market based disincentives in public, no	[21:39]
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mircea_popescu	i talk about whatever the fuck i happen to feel like talking, why the hell not.	[21:39]
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ThickAsThieves	thats why reddit doesnt adore you	[21:40]
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Rassah	Some people are public company representatives that still rely on sales and not making politicians freak the fuck out :)	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	yes. and their companies added together are pretty much almost equal mpex.	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	which apparently doesn't even need to be online.	[21:40]
pankkake	I think being right when they are wrong is what's annoys them	[21:40]
Rassah	Which is fun to do if you aleady don' give a fuck about things, but is something o keep in check if public work is still to be done	[21:40]
pankkake	reddit made it ok to hide things that hurt your feelings	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	pankkake the theory i was happy with held that they worship the holders of trappings of power. ie, only the powerless.	[21:41]
Rassah	By he way, wat does mpex do/make? I just realized I never really looked into that... I guess I should	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	everyone else is scarydangerous.	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	Rassah makes a few hundred to a few ks a month, valued a few 100ks to a mil.	[21:42]
fluffypony	well at the moment mpex is the king of being offline :-P	[21:42]
pankkake	when it's online, it trades itself	[21:42]
fluffypony	and the owner keeps getting extradited from country to country	[21:42]
fluffypony	when he's not threatening to kill religious leaders	[21:42]
Rassah	Oh, yeah, an exchange. Sorry, forgot	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	speaking of which, i wonder when the first president rape occurs. now that women can be presidents.	[21:43]
Rassah	The longest running exchange that has not collapsed like every single other asset exchange has	[21:43]
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Rassah	It's been a while since I have been in the anals of bitcointalk, so I forgot. Please fogive me Mircea	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	lol wait, what'd you do ?	[21:44]
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ThickAsThieves	sounds like he got rich buying bitcoins and now makes bitcoin products for reddit	[21:45]
Rassah	I forgot what MPEx was	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	lol not like it's a crime	[21:45]
Rassah	mircea_popescu: btw, ironically, I thinkyou and Brock Pierce of Realcoin would get along well together...	[21:46]
fluffypony	Rassah: mircea_popescu isn't into little boys	[21:46]
fluffypony	so I don't think that's a good match	[21:46]
ThickAsThieves	what was the quote?	[21:46]
Rassah	neither is Brock, so that's not what I meant	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony i'm very tolerant tho.	[21:47]
ThickAsThieves	theyre like children, you wanna love them all	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	Rassah well so what did you mean ?	[21:47]
pankkake	isn't realcoin the stupidest thing ever?	[21:48]
benkay	wait, so taleb didn't take the bait from that really super cringey video you paid for? // 30 second doses were all i could handle	[21:48]
Rassah	Brock is not as insultingly direct as you, but the best way to describe him is chaos. He has a shitton of money, and his goal in life is to create as much chaos and clusterfuck as possible using that money. Including investing in things that compete directly against his own companies and prior investments.	[21:48]
ThickAsThieves	so he also needs a hug	[21:49]
Rassah	That's partially why Realcoin, too. Get the pot stirring, maybe someone will get upset and make something better, maybe not, likely it won't go anywhere (he doesn't think it will last may years), but as long as he had fun, he does't give a shit	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	benkay why was it cringe-y ?	[21:49]
pankkake	if you want to transfer USDs tied to a counterparty, at least use Ripple where you can have more than one central counterparty	[21:50]
benkay	poor improvisation.	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you and your hugs. next time i see you ima make everyone hug you.	[21:50]
Rassah	He's basically another stpid-rich guy who likes to fuck with things	[21:50]
ThickAsThieves	no i'll melt!	[21:50]
benkay	and if scripted, godawful scripting.	[21:50]
Rassah	pankkake: I'd rather use OpenTransaction instead of Ripple	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	benkay but i had believed in the power of the crowd source!	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	ot actually works now ?	[21:50]
benkay	2's a crowd?	[21:50]
pankkake	oh, I suppose you could use it that way too	[21:51]
pankkake	in any case, you don't need a "coin"	[21:51]
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Rassah	mircea_popescu: And Brock also privately has a ton of high level connections, probably to almost every bitcoin mining company, bitcoin business, and ons of cuntry politicians, from Russia to China to Sout America...	[21:51]
pankkake	and Thailand	[21:51]
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benkay	i long for my home cuntry	[21:52]
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ThickAsThieves	cuntry road take me hoem	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	Rassah and if instead he were just a washed up child actor with a charged past, looking to come to terms with his depression, wouldn't he be claiming basically the exact same things ?	[21:52]
Rassah	pankkake: I agree with you that you don't need a coin for anything backed. Backing is by definition centralized, so the only thing you can decentralize is the servers handling it. Which, I guess using a distributed ledger instead of a centralized one running on your own server saves you a bit of money, but...	[21:52]
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mircea_popescu	now seriously dear assets, we need a script for the next girl doing a nude attack vid.	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	who's got ideas!	[21:53]
Rassah	mircea_popescu: I don't think washed out child actors have millions privately invested in tons of companies, and tak about this shit over 20 rounds of beer that they pay with an AmEx Centurion card	[21:53]
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mthreat	1. bitcoin for script writer	[21:53]
mthreat	2. bitcoin for tits	[21:54]
mthreat	3. profit	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	well, if noit profit, at least scriptits.	[21:54]
princessnell	i can write a script. no tits from me tho.	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	princessnell but can you make it good ?	[21:54]
princessnell	i think so! what are you going for?	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	you watched the prev ones ?	[21:55]
princessnell	only that one with dear saffron	[21:55]
Rassah	Anyone ever wonder how the hell Brock, whom no one knew much about, got elected to the BF board, when the public either does't know him or hates his guts? To me that says connections of some sort...	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	princessnell good enough.	[21:55]
Rassah	Anywa, back to reading trilema links...	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	princessnell so then why ask me what we're going for ?	[21:56]
princessnell	so i can give you exactly what you want	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	Rassah the bf board is easy. i could have a dead hamster elected, if i wanted to waste btc supporting cancer.	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	i like how this is going, but! what i want is basically the words for a camho to coldhit an older, accomplished male.	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	exactly the reverse of pickup artistrsy	[21:57]
Rassah	Hah! So you got connections to people on the bf board! Finally some real world ties :D	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	this is getting lulzy.	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	Rassah http://trilema.com/2013/the-stuff-all-good-conspiracy-theories-start-with/ << identify faces will you.	[21:57]
assbot	The stuff all good conspiracy theories start with pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[21:57]
princessnell	coquettishness then. how long? who are the marks?	[21:58]
princessnell	#bitcoin-assets is the realest world	[21:59]
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mircea_popescu	princessnell how... long ? well so far i took it down from 5 to 3 minutes. if you can deliver in less im sure the girls will love it.	[21:59]
Rassah	I recognize Mircea... I guess that's all that matters?	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	srsly ?	[22:00]
benkay	mircea_popescu: it's going to have to be an actual nude video this time too	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	benkay yeah.	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	the hard part is that well... too much going on for the girl to manage. you'll see.	[22:00]
benkay	hm?	[22:00]
Rassah	mircea_popescu: yeah. Seems there are two completely different power groups in Bitcoin	[22:00]
Rassah	Which is awesome, because I have TWO social ladders to climb now :D	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	Rassah notrly. the people you've not identified include wences, voorhees, momchil, bunches of others.	[22:01]
Rassah	That IS Voorhees?	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	welcome to 2012.	[22:01]
Rassah	I tought it was him, but didn't want to risk insulting you, because I didn't know what your opinion of him is	[22:01]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: have you tried running a google adword on taleb's own name? people often google themselves. I remember reading a blog post from a guy who used that approach to reach someone.	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	perhaps because you also don't know who laid down the ruleset for the sec, and really for the whole us	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	because you think there's somehow two power groups, because i guess... a lot of talking ? or something.	[22:02]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: (assuming you're trying to get taleb here)	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	mthreat yeah but that someone was a vapid marketeering bitch.	[22:03]
mthreat	this was a guy, but i'm sure it's happened more than once	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	imo it'd be a shit move, seeing how plenty of people google taleb to, you know, find taleb.	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	(bitch is not gender bound)	[22:03]
mthreat	geolocate it to his city	[22:03]
mthreat	"bitch is in the heart"	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	are you setting me up for a restraining order ?	[22:04]
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mircea_popescu	princessnell if it helps, i think the next victim is nick szabo	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	which reminds me, dear chan, we also need a victim list!	[22:14]
princessnell	ooo <3nick szabo<3 will do my best. bitstein has been chatting him up, maybe he can help with that one.	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin-assets. where you do what you love. also puns.	[22:16]
Rassah	mircea_popescu: I noticed you rely a lot on PHP... I've been treating my PHP keys like disposable tissues, and relyig on bitcoin message signing instead...	[22:18]
Rassah	Is that in any way something you accomodate?	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/08/26/to-the-dudebro-who-thinks-hes-insulting-me-by-calling-me-a-feminist/ << in which self centered douche imagines someone poking fun at him necessarily gives a shit about him personally.	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	Rassah i have no idea what you just asked. what php keys, and where would i accomodate them ?	[22:19]
Rassah	For instance, at the conference	[22:19]
Rassah	Doh! PGP, not PHP	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	no, i'm not going to support a braindamaged half baked re-implementation of pgp in bitcoind.	[22:21]
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mircea_popescu	leaving aside all the 500 other problems with the idea, why would you want to centralise things ?	[22:22]
Rassah	Centralize?	[22:22]
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mircea_popescu	yes.	[22:23]
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Rassah	It's supported by bitcoind, blockchain.info, Armory, Mycelium, and probably many others. I figured bitcoin message signing is a step in the right direction, because not many are working on making PGP keys secure as hell, but tons of people are woking on making Bitcoin keys secure as hell, and easy to use from wallets. Otherwise I don't know what the difference in implementation is between PGP and BTC signing	[22:24]
pankkake	pgp offers more than signing, and has an entirely different paradigm. identity has multiple signing and encryption keys; you trust the identity	[22:25]
Rassah	oh yeah	[22:26]
pankkake	using bitcoin forces you to a lower level that is quite inconvenient	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	Rassah you figured wrong. tieing your ability to sign to bitcoin is a step in the wrong direction.	[22:26]
benkay	apropos of nothing: http://valleywag.gawker.com/police-investigating-star-tech-ceo-over-multiple-rape-a-1601697781	[22:27]
assbot	Police Investigating Star Tech CEO Over Multiple Rape Allegations	[22:27]
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mircea_popescu	wait srsly ?!	[22:27]
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pankkake	Scott Kveton is the CEO of Urban Airship, a mobile services platform provider in Portland, Oregon <= CEO, "urban", "mobile services", "portland"	[22:28]
benkay	no contracts, no negotiation. just...	[22:29]
pankkake	that wsan't rape, that was ironic sex!	[22:29]
benkay	no safewords even apparently. lots of intoxication.	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	i don't do safewords either.	[22:29]
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ThickAsThieves	<+Rassah> Anyone ever wonder how the hell Brock, whom no one knew much about, got elected to the BF board, when the public either does't know him or hates his guts? To me that says connections of some sort... /// but how to apply this logic to Ploshay?	[22:36]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ao8kz/people_us_dollars_are_not_worth_a_fifth_of_a/	[22:43]
assbot	People! US Dollars are not worth a fifth of a Bitcent. STOP SELLING! : Bitcoin	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	reddit discovers things.	[22:43]
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Rassah	ThickAsThieves: but how to apply this logic to Ploshay? Ploshay was well liked, and was like the "popular girl" or whatever, elected during a very public election when the BF was still something the general public was interested in, and when BF was still interested in a public image	[22:48]
Rassah	Ploshay won a popularity contest basicaly (I ran against her, so I may be biased)	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	lol wait, the bf is not interested in a public image anymore ?	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	was this 5 minutes before or 5 minutes after their public image got wrecked ?	[22:50]
fluffypony	lol	[22:50]
fluffypony	so Petamine made a BIG fuss about moving to p2pool	[22:50]
fluffypony	https://twitter.com/CoinpricesIO/status/489105070852558848	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	p2pool sadly has some lingering tech issues. for years now.	[22:51]
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Rassah	It was not 5 minutes, it was more like a long slog into the dumps	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	i'd love nothing more than to push a p2pool.	[22:51]
Rassah	I love p2pool	[22:51]
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Rassah	A lot of the whole "How can we fix 51% attacks" suggestions are really horrible...	[22:52]
ThickAsThieves	indeed	[22:52]
Rassah	I am especially concerned about the one where mining in a pool is made difficult to impossible by making sharing a secret key that lets the miner steal all coins a requirement. The way I see it is, we either have pools that concentrate mining power, but don't actually own or control that power, or we create incentives for individuals to amass tons of mining power, since being a smal miner or as part of a pool is impossible, and	[22:54]
Rassah	then we have individuals that actually do control that mining power. Badly alligned incentives...	[22:54]
Rassah	Basically, pools with 50% mining power are better than individuals with 50% mining power, and some ideas seem to make us trend to 50% owned by individuals	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	Rassah the key sharing thing is braindamaged.	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	there will be a wrapper around it on day 1.01	[22:56]
Rassah	Hey, can you guys tell me who BitcoinPete is?	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust bitcoinpete	[22:57]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user bitcoinpete: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 7 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=bitcoinpete \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoinpete \| Rated since: Fri Mar 28 09:14:47 2014	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	http://littlegreenfootballs.com/page/304046_Startup_CEO_Dudebro_Wishes_Deg << someone needs to explain to me how homeless people can be residents of san francisco.	[22:57]
assbot	Startup CEO Dudebro Wishes 'Degenerates' Would Stop Ruining 'The Civilized Part' of San Francisco - LGF Pages	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	am i a resident of sf ?	[22:58]
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ThickAsThieves	Rassah, bitcoinpete is a b-a disciple going back roughly 6mos, he blogs and has a neat jewfro	[23:00]
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ThickAsThieves	not sure his profession	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	!up gabriel_laddel	[23:01]
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Rassah	Huh. He's actually the reason I'm in here in the first place. I followed his blog here, after he tweeted that Mycelium Entropy < dice, and agreed once I asked him if he would be interested in auditing out device.	[23:01]
gabriel_laddel	they spend a lot on the homeless every year in SF. I imagine that when they hand it out they sort out the papers for these 'people'.	[23:01]
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Rassah	Peter Todd will be doing an audit too, ad I was hping Bitcoin Pete was someone with some technical knowledge or something	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	but still. to reside somewhere must mean you own some real estate.	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	Rassah tech knowledge in what field ?	[23:02]
Rassah	software, hardware, anything.	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	that's a little confused.	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	whoa look, bitcoinpete's only been rated since march huh. how time flies.	[23:02]
Rassah	Basically, we have people with reservations about the randomness and security of our entropy devices, despite not actually knowing how it works, and we are hoping to get some of tose people to back up their claims	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	i guess asciilifeform is the guy who's done most re entropy.	[23:03]
Rassah	so tech knowledge enough to be able to check how the software works, and maybe hardware knowledge to know what chips are being used in the schematic	[23:04]
gabriel_laddel	mircea_popescu: Is your express purpose for the cam video to get people like Nick Szabo and Taleb to join #-assets?	[23:04]
Rassah	mircea_popescu: I haven't heard a peep from asciilifeform, actually. Most complaints ave been from slush	[23:04]
asciilifeform	!s asciilifeform mycelium	[23:05]
assbot	5 results for 'asciilifeform mycelium' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=asciilifeform+mycelium	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	wait. were you looking for people with tech expertise or with complaint expertise ?	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	anyway, http://trilema.com/2013/cardano-xmas-blown-other-statements/	[23:06]
assbot	Cardano : Xmas blown, other statements pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	footnote 5 prolly of most interest to you	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel yes.	[23:06]
Rassah	mircea_popescu: Typicall they are one and the same. It's rare that people who dn't know whit about a topic shit all over it. Unless they're politicians	[23:07]
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mircea_popescu	or on reddit.	[23:07]
Rassah	whit = shit	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	or on the internet. or 20. or having a bad day. or w/e.	[23:07]
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Rassah	The only ones on Reddit who brought up issues were the ones I know to have technical backgrounds (sluch, peter todd, a few others who backed up their concerns with actual technical questions). Most everyone else just went gaga over it. I kinda assumed BitcoinPete knew something about cryptography and security, considering his statement, followed by me asking if he'd be interested in doing an audit for us, and him agreeing.	[23:11]
Rassah	Though if he just bloggs, I'm not sure if that will be worth our time or money	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	;;seen bitcoinpete	[23:11]
gribble	bitcoinpete was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 16 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: Rassah: neat rating comment from theymos "Holds BTC for the forum."	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	guy shows up here about once a day, you can ask him in person and get an idea.	[23:12]
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mircea_popescu	!up CheckDavid	[23:12]
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Rassah	Will do.	[23:12]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, i still don't know what it is or what's to go gaga over.	[23:12]
chetty	http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Thomaston-Man-Arrested-After-Stabbing-Watermelon-Cops-267183461.html	[23:13]
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mircea_popescu	gotta find more humane ways to cut the gourd ?	[23:14]
Rassah	It's a USB stick that you stick into your priner's USB port, it detects a photo, and you hit print, making your printer print a bicoin paper wallet that's never been exposed to the web. Soon as you pull the stick out, the keys are gone for ever	[23:14]
CheckDavid	mircea_popescu: hi baby	[23:14]
CheckDavid	Can't I up myself anymore? :p	[23:14]
Rassah	Basically an extremely high level entropy generator that uses that entropy to make secure paper walets	[23:14]
asciilifeform	Rassah: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2014#744143	[23:14]
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mircea_popescu	Rassah is this thing atmel based ?	[23:15]
asciilifeform	Rassah: what must one do to verify - without a shade of doubt, in personal laboratory - that your device works as described?	[23:16]
Rassah	asciilifeform: Atmel SAM4L series running the software, with random number being generated only from SRAM, in combinaton with other things we're considering, like a salt you can add in a TXT file	[23:17]
Rassah	You can check what the software calls for	[23:17]
asciilifeform	Rassah: generated only from SRAM << your code reads a standalone sram? or atmel claims to produce rng output this way inside a black box micro ?	[23:17]
Rassah	I think standalone sram	[23:18]
asciilifeform	Rassah: I think << you are not the designer of this item ?	[23:18]
Rassah	asciilifeform: No, that would be a few of the Mycelium devs. They described a lot of it to me, since I'm working with them (I'm the one doing the public interraction thing, and running Indiegogo and such)	[23:19]
Rassah	I asked and can relay the Atmel/sram question. I think they are al asleep right now, since they're in Austria	[23:20]
asciilifeform	Rassah: other question. in my own experiments, i found that sram powerup 'static' depends heavily on the die's temperature.	[23:20]
asciilifeform	Rassah: what, if anything, does your product do to verify that rng is actually functioning 'as rated' before bits are used in anger?	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	Rassah probably the better avenue would be for the graybeard in charge to show up here	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	people have tried this "i'm the pr, i'll pass q's along" thing before, it never works well, not necessarily through anyone's specific fault,	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	but things get escalated and magnified.	[23:22]
Rassah	In our tests, it still had plenty of entropy at 0ºC, but it smoothly went down to zero entropy around -20º. Maybe we should put warning stickers on these things saying "Caution - Chaotic System. Do not use in low entropy environments above the Arctic or below the Antarctic circle, unless exposed to external sources of energy" :)	[23:23]
asciilifeform	Rassah, mircea_popescu: then one last question, for if/when he does. value of adjacent sram cells is correlated. what, if anything, was done about this? (my guess - nothing but the usual 'whitening'.)	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i personally doubt anyone with hardware understanding touched the design, but then again how would i know.	[23:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: somebody had to crap out the physical unit.	[23:24]
Rassah	We can store part of the raw entropy into non-volatile memory and	[23:24]
Rassah	compare it on the next run. Since we have about 30 times more entropy	[23:24]
Rassah	than we need, we can afford it. This memory effect is already very	[23:24]
Rassah	unlikely; the probability that 1/20th of the SRAM behaves fine and the	[23:24]
Rassah	other 19/20th are stuck is much lower. Especially if the stored part	[23:24]
Rassah	is taken from a different SRAM area every time.	[23:24]
Rassah	We can also add secondary sources to the mix:	[23:24]
Rassah	- the built-in TRNG; nobody trusts these things anymore as primary	[23:24]
Rassah	sources, and we did not even consider its availability when choosing	[23:24]
Rassah	the processor, but it's there and is probably perfectly fine and	[23:24]
Rassah	random;	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	Rassah try a pastebin srsly.	[23:24]
Rassah	- floating ADC inputs, as Peter suggested;	[23:24]
Rassah	- five independent RC oscillators.	[23:25]
Rassah	Sorry for the line spam	[23:25]
Rassah	copy/pasted from reply	[23:25]
asciilifeform	floating adc inputs << you mean local radio station receiver !	[23:25]
Rassah	asciilifeform: this device was designed and assembled by the people workin on the bitcoincard. They all know hardware extremely wel	[23:25]
kakobrekla	Rassah why dont you get people who are actually doing this thing here before you do more damage?	[23:25]
asciilifeform	rc oscillators << you meant - 'thermometers'	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	so it's using an atmel micro but not for the trng ?	[23:25]
Rassah	kakobrekla: Damage?	[23:25]
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Rassah	Ah, got a eply. Seems we'll be using he Atmel provided SRAM after all. And "We will be doing our own analysis of data from several chips, and provide a raw entropy file for those who want to do their own for their specific device." combined with "option to enter a user-supllied salt"	[23:27]
asciilifeform	/me 'we'll be using he Atmel provided SRAM' << has probably read enough.	[23:28]
Rassah	So, we won't be relying on Atmel's RNG, and will be reading their SRAM directly	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	this doesn't sound terribly mature somehow.	[23:28]
Rassah	mature in what way? Completed and researched? Or discussed at present?	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no, this is your punishment for xmas.	[23:28]
asciilifeform	ehehe	[23:28]
Rassah	Is Atmel really that untrustworthy? Is there a better option?	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	Rassah as in i get the impression things may change or w/e. anyway.	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	atmel is a us producer of black box transistor boxes.	[23:29]
asciilifeform	Rassah: ever encounter the concept of 'auditability' ?	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	this is a poor fit for the application.	[23:30]
Rassah	mircea_popescu: No, the hardware design is finished. Changes are only in software. Initial method of creating keys is done, we are just adding software patches to add more and more entropy sources to this thing.	[23:30]
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mircea_popescu	software does not add entropy.	[23:30]
asciilifeform	floating adc inputs! am i roasting in some sort of F-student hell now?	[23:31]
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Rassah	I mean the chip and the hardware has a lot of stuff in there. The entropy is altready there, but initially we figured the SRAM chip was overkill. The "software adding entropy" meaning we just add more code to grab entropy from more hardware and user sources	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	i see.	[23:32]
asciilifeform	Rassah: user sources ???	[23:32]
Rassah	Yes. If you plug tis device into your PC while holding down the button, it shows up in "flash mode", where instead of just a USB stick with a JPG on it, you get to see all the system and settings files. One of those files is a user provded sald (like diceware) that will be combined with the rest of the entropy sources to produce the final key	[23:34]
asciilifeform	Rassah: 'combined' in what sense?	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2aq7w0/psa_bitbet_holding_funds_past_bet_resolution_date/cixxunv kinda lulzy shit.	[23:35]
assbot	DownvCuzIHurtUrFeels comments on PSA: BitBet holding funds past bet resolution date.	[23:35]
asciilifeform	Rassah: let me guess. a hash.	[23:35]
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Rassah	key = H(salt\|\|H(entropy)) with H(entropy) on a second sheet of paper so the user can verify it... or something	[23:36]
Rassah	Initially the idea was: Write a salt onto the stick. Then generate key = H(H(entropy_1) + salt) + H(H(entropy_2) + salt), and print all of [key, salt, H(e1), H(H(e1) + salt), H(e2), H(H(e2) + salt)]. (+ could be arithmetic addition or XOR; either should be fine.) The user can then verify exactly one of the outer hashes on an insecure computer, and can verify the additions by hand (literally, pen and paper, no computer)	[23:37]
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asciilifeform	Rassah: why are you using whitening (hashing) in rng? and 'because everyone does' is not acceptable answer.	[23:38]
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asciilifeform	Rassah: because now your bits are... correlated.	[23:38]
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Rassah	Oh, one other answer (one of the techs is awake): We know we're getting sram because we are physically reading it.	[23:39]
asciilifeform	Rassah: do you actually believe that hashing can add (instead of subtracting) entropy?	[23:39]
Rassah	It may reduce entropy, but it inreases he number of attack vectors, doesn't it? Attacker would need both the hardware based RNG and the salt to compromise it	[23:40]
asciilifeform	Rassah: 'we are physically reading it' << how do you know this? that is to say, if both the reader and the sram are on one ic die, how can you substitute, e.g. a fake sram that never flips bits, to test ?	[23:41]
asciilifeform	Rassah: picture a thoroughly, obscenely broken hash.	[23:41]
Rassah	Due to bits not always flipping because of temperature and outside environment, we will be testing for these issues already.	[23:42]
asciilifeform	Rassah: then it doesn't matter what you did to plug in the random bits - they are smeared across the 'ciphertext' (if you will, the hash output) and can be inferred.	[23:42]
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asciilifeform	Rassah: 'we will be testing' >> how ?	[23:43]
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asciilifeform	Rassah: my purpose isn't pedantry. try to apprehend: i buy your product, get a keychain-sized gizmo with a single chip. how do i verify that the package functions exactly as described?	[23:44]
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Rassah	I understand. I'm glad you are asking these questions	[23:45]
Rassah	THERE'S someone I finally know!	[23:45]
asciilifeform	Rassah: consider that you are now married to the physical characteristics of a particular model from particular vendor. e.g. next year atmel ships sram that's non-entropic down to -40. without bothering to tell you. or it is 'entropic', but actually picks up Voice of America.	[23:45]
Rassah	The Davi Barket convention standin	[23:45]
Rassah	*Barker	[23:45]
Rassah	asciilifeform: He's writing. Give me a sec	[23:46]
BingoBoingo	Rassah: What I didn't know before is that Priuses have no transmissions, timing belts, or belts f any kind, and reqire practicaly no mainenance other than 10k mile oil changes and 100k brake pad and transaxle fluid changes. Everything else is electric... After $600+ expenses every 3 to 5 years on my Honda Civic, this is awesome. The 60mpg helps too << Transaxel is just a sideways transmission	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	Rassah seriously, this guy can't irc or something ?	[23:46]
kakobrekla	Pirus story rehashed with the new gizmo	[23:47]
Rassah	BingoBoingo: It's three motors in a constantly moving planetary gear setup. The "transmitting" is done by varying input, generation, and torque of he electric motors	[23:47]
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mircea_popescu	yah i think that's how they do all the hybrids.	[23:47]
Rassah	Just Prius. Others use plain engine, plain motor, ad connect them with a CVT	[23:47]
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kakobrekla	o wait i take that back.	[23:48]
Rassah	Basicaly, normally to get more power, a car (or other hybrids) switch to a lower gear ratio and spin the electric and/or gas harder. In a prius, the gas engine spins faster than the smaler inner engine can keep up, whic cases it to spin backwards, generate electricity, and then that electric is pumped into the big electric engine	[23:49]
Rassah	Here's an interractive animation of it http://eahart.com/prius/psd/	[23:50]
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Rassah	mircea_popescu: Not realy. The reason I was hired is because they don't have time or patience for that	[23:52]
BingoBoingo	Right, but this arrangement of gears and fluids to drive power to wheels is still a transmission. Even if oddly arranged. Nearly any front wheel drive, front engine car uses the term transaxle for this.	[23:52]
BingoBoingo	Because it is transmission+axle	[23:53]
Rassah	BingoBoingo: I think Prius calls it a transaxle too. But I don't see it as any sort of normal "transmission"	[23:53]
Rassah	After working on cars, this thing is too weird and different (and less problem-prone) to me	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	Rassah well then i guess they don't get to talk about it at all, to no-one's particular detriment.	[23:54]
BingoBoingo	Oh it is abnormal as hell, but because of its role it is still a transmission	[23:54]
Rassah	asciilifeform: from Nikita: Firstly, we'll publish our analysis of data from chips and argue that it should apply to all chips, and whoever wants can get data from his chip and run our tools or make his own. (our device will be fully open source, so anyone can make one if they wish). Secondly, we zero out a word in memory and make sure it's got enough 1s next time. If there was not enough power-off time, sram would retain its	[23:55]
Rassah	state and we'd read 0 and refuse to generate a key. We will check if the amount of 0 > x% and < y% (to check for deep-freeze temperatures) the Closer they are to 50% the better	[23:55]
Rassah	but since the sample amount is very large even a 10% value is technically enough	[23:55]
asciilifeform	Rassah: ask him if whitening is used anywhere.	[23:55]
Rassah	I asked. Can you tell me what whitening is? I'm not that techie :(	[23:56]
Rassah	hashing?	[23:57]
asciilifeform	Rassah: hashing as an attempt to 'distill' entropy.	[23:57]
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mircea_popescu	whitening is the process of turning the banal 11111 string into b0baee9d279d34fa1dfd71aadb908c3f	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	which is supposedly "entropic", up until someone tries to put your source through md5	[23:59]
Rassah	asciilifeform: Nikita says we use standard cryptographic hashes. Just for salt, for private and public keys, and other bitcoin specific things	[23:59]

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